May 2, 2025 • 57 mins
Pour something silky and press play, because this 57-minute ride is draped in satin and soaked in real talk. Zane’s no-holds-barred tale of passion, power plays, and second chances has the Black Girls Lit! crew in their feelings—and their fantasies—as they dissect how love and lust can cradle the heart or crush it. Lex, Natasha, Nicole, and Star waste no time rating the spice level, swapping “been-there” stories, and dropping the kind of one-liners that make you rewind just to laugh again. Throughout the episode, three secret pours—each smoother than the last—keep the vibe mellow even as the conversation turns raw, from messy situationships to the razor-thin line between “boy, bye” and “come over.”
By the second glass the crew is unpacking heartbreak hangovers, trust issues, and the art of wiping the slate clean without losing your whole self in the process. When Star opens up about fresh starts, the table gets real on healing, boundaries, and why self-love is the one relationship we can’t ghost. A final round toasts Black legacy, literary freedom, and the unapologetic joy of grown-woman choices. Laughter bubbles through every candid confession, but so does the reminder that freedom tastes sweetest when you’re writing your own ending.
So fluff your pillows, sip with intention, and settle in as the squad serves literature, libations, and life lessons in equal measure—because with Black Girls Lit!, we stay lit.
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Welcome Introduction (00:02):
hey bookish baddies
Lex (00:10):
welcome to black girls lit
Natasha (00:15):
where fine women fine literature and fine libations
collide
Nicole (00:22):
step into the lit life black girls lit starts now
Star (00:26):
black women are so complex
Hey guys, welcome to Black GirlsLit Podcast.
We are here again.
My name is Nicole.
To my right is...
Lex (00:36):
I'm Lex.
Star (00:37):
I'm Star.
Natasha (00:38):
And I'm Natasha.
Nicole (00:39):
What's up, y'all?
So what we got going today,Lex?
Lex (00:43):
So today we are talking about the book, The Other Side
of the Pillow by Zane.
Today's Pairings will be, whatis this, whiskey?
Nicole (00:54):
Whiskey.
Speaker 00 (00:54):
Whiskey.
Natasha (00:55):
We're brown, y'all.
We're brown.
To get through this one.
But our BGL cocktail of theweek is a Gold Rush.
It is our Elijah Craig with alittle bit of honey syrup, some
lemon juice, and aromaticbitters.
(01:16):
So, cheers.
Cheers, ladies.
Nicole (01:19):
Ting, ting, ting.
Speaker 00 (01:20):
Good luck, y'all.
Gold rushes.
Oh, that's a man.
That's liquor.
That's liquor.
That's lit.
It's pretty.
Puts the lit in black girls'lives.
We came to get litty today.
The whole time to kill us.
She was bartending.
(01:41):
I did bartending and We need tomix it up.
See, now y'all wishing y'allhad them straws I talked about
now, huh?
She been trying to get somestraws.
Ain't nobody want no straws.
Told them we need some straws.
So to speak about Zayn, Zaynhas been around for a minute.
Zayn is an author that is withBlack Erotica, pretty much
(02:01):
meaning that she has a lot ofAfrican-American characters.
Well, not a lot of them.
Like, she has other characters.
She has nothing butAfrican-American characters in
her books.
And, of course, it's going tohave something steamy.
While also just having yourbasic book talking about
relationships and women.
She's a New York Timesbestseller.
She's also had her bookAddicted featured as a
(02:24):
screenplay, movie screenplay.
Tyler Perry did it not too longago.
And then also the SexChronicles are some other ones
that she's known of.
Yeah, just know if you everread a Zane, it's going to be a
little steamy.
But I think she was my firstlike, ooh, am I supposed to be
reading this?
Wasn't your first one?
Absolutely.
Yes, I agree.
My first one, I think it waslike Aaron Jerome, Dickie, or
(02:45):
them people like that.
Around about the same time, butno sex chronicle.
He's definitely the first forme.
I said, ooh.
On to the ratings.
Tell us about the ratings.
Tell the people about theratings.
The Other Side of the Pill,that's the Zane book we chose
this week, right?
So in this book, we're talkingabout where we have Gemma
Street.
She's sort of a woman scoring,not really in love with love,
(03:07):
but then Tevin come in sayingall the right things.
And so she got to decidewhether she's going to take the
leap, trust her heart or not.
I will say, you know, y'allknow our rating scale.
We giving it.
We cheers.
Cheers.
We love it.
Okay.
Sip.
If it's okay, it's good.
Like I said, about three stars.
Babysit if it's just okay, andthen send it back if we just
(03:30):
gonna send it back.
So I will start off.
I'm coming with...
I'm gonna say Cheers.
I did.
I liked it.
Cheers.
I was here for it.
You know what?
I'm gonna give it...
I don't know if there can besomething in between Babysit and
Cheers.
But that's what I'm gonna giveit.
Only because I needed a littlebit more character development.
It seemed like the typical...
(03:51):
book in general of how it wasprogressing.
So I wanted a little bit morelike meat to it.
But overall, I mean, was it agood read?
Was it a moment that I textstar and was like, girl, have
you read this part yet?
So I think I'm going to have togive it a cheers.
That sounds like a cheers,didn't it?
It was better than a sip.
(04:11):
Did it sound like a sip?
I don't know.
A sip and cheers.
I don't know.
But no, same though.
I think I would give it betweena sip and a babysit.
Oh my gosh.
This was my first Zane book.
I've never read Zane before.
But I do love me a good eroticanovel.
(04:34):
So, I enjoyed it.
I do think...
I do think it was a littledated, but we'll get into that
later into the podcast.
So that's the only thing that Iwas like, all right.
But, you know, as a millennialGen Z, I'm like right in the
middle.
Yeah, I have a catch on to thatquick.
(04:56):
So that's only why.
But it was cute.
It was cute.
Yeah.
I'm going to give it.
I'm going to sip this one.
I do love Zayn.
I love, love, love Zayn.
I'm giving it a sip because.
I don't...
necessarily love the Blackwoman scorn narrative.
(05:17):
I do think that there's a wayto get to, yes, we have, you
know, we go through challengesin relationships and, you know,
what the healing process of thatlooks like.
But the bitter, the bitter,angry Black woman, like, we
don't, it doesn't always endthat way.
You know what I mean?
Like, you can progress throughthe challenges of relationships
(05:40):
without it being that um sothat's why i'm sipping this one
but you know for for all intentsand purposes i get why she had
to be you know for the story butit's a tired story yeah i think
that when i go into it i'mjudging it for what i like i
(06:01):
already know what it's gonna beso i should be judging books
based on what i'm like okay thisThis is Zayn, but I'm not
necessarily looking forcharacter development or
anything like that.
I'm just like, you know why Ipicked up the book, Zayn.
Girl, you delivered.
Okay, we good.
You did what needed to be done.
I wouldn't even say she wentsuper hot, though.
It went super deep.
No, there was, there was, therewas some other, she's done a
(06:24):
lot of ones.
There were some things andshe's always going to get, you
know, if you can get beyond,right.
The core of what, what eroticais, right.
It is what it is.
But if you can get beyond that,there's always some underlying
issues.
story there's some there'ssomething there that you can
take from so I think that wassomething I shared with you like
when we were choosing the booklike okay so listen it's it's
(06:48):
gonna be sex and then it's gonnabe some more sex and a little
bit more sex and then it's gonnabe a story yeah like you can
get you know get beyond the andsome people are uncomfortable
with that right so if you canget beyond the whatever your
comfort level is with thatthere's definitely something
there you know there's alwayssome there's always some meat
there so Well, as we transitionto our first part to start
(07:12):
talking about this book, we'regoing to introduce you all to
Glenn Fetish.
I'm hoping I'm saying itcorrectly, but it's going to be
paired with some green apples.
This is what we're calling theSunday matinee.
The Sunday matinee.
Let our whistles start off hereat the top.
A little whiskey, a littleapple slice, you know.
(07:34):
That's going to be interesting.
They're like, oh, I never hadapples on my whiskey before.
Ever.
Going to be in the littleflames.
Yes, it is.
So when you're sipping on thisone, you're going to want to be
sitting here thinking about alittle Chris Jazz beat.
You know, little high-classrestaurants you go to.
(07:57):
She started off in a littlepoetry spot where she'd be in a
little poetry sleep.
Trying to do the little LoveJones part.
So our pairing, of course, likeI said, the green apples with
the Glen Fetish.
Let's taste it, y'all.
Let's see what's going on here.
That's rare.
Ooh, that brown liquor.
(08:19):
Mm-hmm.
But it's good.
Okay, the apple helps.
It is good.
So the apple takes out the...
Mm-hmm.
It does cool it down.
It tones it down.
It tones it all the way down.
It says, okay.
So if you got your brown andyou just go ahead and just eat
your little apple.
Mm-hmm.
So let's speak in about toningdown.
That was the beginning ofGematry's story here in this
(08:43):
book, right?
She had had this background ofbeing in bad relationships and
being treated bad, even thoughshe's given her all.
And now she's coming uponsomebody that wasn't playing so
many games, which is Tevin.
How do y'all feel about, youknow, the fresh start that
Gematry was experiencing rightat the top of the book?
All right, let's talk aboutGematry in the beginning of the
(09:05):
book in general, just herthought on men, right?
I think, I mean, it made sensewith the history she had of like
the physical abuse and allthat.
It made sense for her to feelthat way about men, like to have
a negative outlook.
If that's the only thing you'vebeen, that you've dealt with.
So, I mean, it definitely madesense.
And I mean, it also shows likea certain level of, I think like
(09:26):
bravery, just even put yourselfout there.
I mean, I've never been in anabusive relationship, not
physically abusive relationship.
So I can only imagine that.
that level of trust that's beenbroken and to be able to even
put yourself into anotherrelationship, I just feel like
that takes a lot of strength.
I don't know.
Think about it.
She had a roster at thebeginning.
She definitely had a roster.
(09:48):
She was like, uh-uh.
Very noncommittal.
I don't know if I want to evenbe close enough to even be
having sex with somebody,though, if I had been through an
abusive relationship.
I don't know.
I've just never been in it, soI don't know how I would handle
it.
She had some needs.
My concern with her at thebeginning was when she started
(10:08):
to speak on this pattern, right?
I think that was probably themost concerning thing for me at
the beginning is, you know, ifyou're talking about one bad
relationship or maybe two, butit was the pattern for me that
starts to suggest, like, maybeit's not everybody else, right?
(10:30):
Maybe...
And, and not, yeah.
And I mean, I think that's justin general, right.
In life.
Like I'm really big on energyright now.
Right.
Like you get what you put outand you know, like we attract
certain things.
So I think a lot of timespeople are just like serial
relationship people.
Like they need to need to needto, right.
(10:51):
And sometimes you need to takea step back and say, wait a
minute.
If I keep saying, findingmyself in these same types of
situations, these same types ofrelationships with these same
types of people, what am Idoing, right?
And not in the sense of likeblaming yourself, right?
But what am I not doing or whatam I not being clear about as
(11:15):
far as my expectations and whatI need and what I expect from
people that they feel that theycan keep giving me this, you
know?
So that was where I kind of,going back to my rating, like,
okay, girl, maybe it's you.
Like maybe you need to, youknow what I mean?
Like, and not in the sense oflike faults, but maybe you need
(11:37):
to take a step back and get toknow yourself, like, and be
confident in yourself.
And what is it that you reallywant and who you really are and
what you have to bring to thetable so that you can project
that.
And people, you know what Imean?
Like there's just a certainthing.
There's a certain energy thatyou put out where people know
(11:57):
like, nah, she don't look likeshe with the shenanigans.
You know what I mean?
Did she become a, was she aprincipal at that time when she
was 18?
Once she got out of thoserelationships, then that's when
she was like, hey, went back toschool and became a principal.
The vibes that she put up, likeyou said, with the whole roster
and she was the principal, andthey talked about how great she
(12:18):
was at running her school andeverything like that, that
really does not jive withsomebody who's getting beat on
to the point where they'regetting put to the hospital.
So maybe that was like she tookher power back point and then
she transitioned to who she is.
I think that was where, like,that was the headspace she...
was in slash was projecting shewas in because she did she did
(12:42):
talk about the point of theroster is she wanted to be
noncommittal and she wanted totake back all the power in her
relationship so being able tohop from guy to guy whenever she
wanted to however she wanted toand just being able to have
that power to be the man in therelationship, if you will, was
the stage she was at while shewas also in this very powerful
(13:04):
job as a principal.
So I think what you're saying,yeah, she worked...
By the time she was in thatheadspace, that's where she was.
I think it had been a whilesince she...
But that was like the lastserious relationship she had
when she was much younger andgetting beat on and hadn't been
in that headspace of like, getup, girl.
And this is her...
idea of getting up is the spaceshe believes she's in.
(13:28):
I think she was numbingherself, really.
That too.
I'm just not going to do that.
I'm going to use what I needand then I'm going to stay.
Cut it right there.
Yeah, just cut it right there.
That's it.
Defense mechanism.
A protection mechanism.
Which is also slightly toxic,maybe.
I don't know.
(13:48):
And I'm not trying to bejudgmental with the character.
And I guess from myperspective, right?
And I know we all go throughdifferent stages and we're in
different places at differenttimes.
And maybe to your point of itbeing dated slightly, It
definitely isn't giving Blackwomen in 2025.
(14:10):
It is not.
And I think the slightly toxictrait that you're pointing at is
that Jimistry projected verymuch on anybody that even came
close to her that were in themale variety.
She already came in with themindset of like, this man ain't
shit.
I already know he's going tof*** me over.
(14:30):
So I'm going to just hop onthis s***.
real quick and then be on myway and that was her and I do
think that part of it isextremely toxic because now
you're generalizing and how doyou find love that way if you're
not allowing yourself to bevulnerable like she was
definitely traumatized but shesaid she wasn't looking for love
she really just wanted shewanted to go for a ride and then
(14:53):
go and then go about herbusiness Oh, do we think that
that was a lie she was tellingherself?
I think that was a front.
I think that was a front.
I don't think it was.
I do.
I mean, I guess every humanbeing in the day, you probably
want to have somebody to carefor you.
Yes.
I think she was done.
Like, it terrified her toomuch.
She was traumatized.
Yeah.
Definitely traumatized.
Yeah, she was definitelytraumatized.
But rightfully so.
(15:14):
I mean, rightfully so.
Unknown (15:16):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 00 (15:16):
Well, I mean, speaking of tripping.
And that's what we're talkingabout.
That's what I'm saying.
What?
Complex.
Right.
Thinking of tripping into love,I feel like we should trip
accidentally into the nextdrink, unwisingly so.
Okay, okay.
Because however whiskey isfilling off the first two.
Yeah.
(15:36):
We're going to get into Elijah.
Elijah Craig.
Special shout out to theWerther's Original Caramel
Popcorn.
I just want this.
Isn't it amazing?
It looks like it's good.
I don't know why.
It's a whole vibe.
I'm not even going to lie toyou.
I was like, this is about toget stuck in my teeth.
I don't like the stickyfeeling.
Ah.
Touche.
(15:57):
I was like, uh-uh.
I'll take one.
But it's going down.
I saw what you did there, Star.
You should be feeling a littlenew.
I want you to feel soul inhere.
I want you to feel the musicsoul child in here.
You should feel a little bitof...
What's the other guy?
I don't know.
All the things.
(16:17):
The taste.
Okay, let me tell you.
Y'all were looking like...
Elijah was good.
I like this pairing.
It's cute.
Yeah, the popcorn is...
The popcorn is really the MVP.
The popcorn is the MVP.
Please understand.
I like it with the whiskey.
Where's the original caramelpopcorn?
We definitely need that.
It's a good pairing.
(16:38):
It's sweet now.
It's caramel popcorn, but it'snot like...
It doesn't stick in your teethtoo much.
Yeah.
And it's not like OD.
You know, like some caramelpopcorn be like, oh my God.
Yeah.
It's really good.
This is a cute pairing.
I like that.
And the caramel popcorn makes,it brings up more caramel
flavor.
It allows you.
Yes.
Are y'all tasting that?
I can't.
Yeah.
(16:59):
You gotta, you gotta let thepopcorn, yeah, like you gotta
get the popcorn on your wholetongue.
Because this right here.
guys, I don't know what they'retalking about.
Nicole, you gotta get thecaramel on your whole tongue.
Here she goes.
Oh, really?
(17:20):
So many thoughts were made.
I'm going to keep that overhere until at least the last
shot.
I was like, can we just wait aminute?
We talking about refreshing?
We just got that?
Sorry.
Sorry.
Okay.
Back to your question aboutrefreshing.
Refreshing love.
Refreshing love, girl.
That unexpected love that youain't know just caught you like,
(17:43):
oh, I wasn't even looking foryou.
Okay.
Yes.
Who's had that before?
I'm having it right now.
Oh, okay.
Tea.
Tea?
Right?
Tea.
Yeah, I'm not going to go intotoo much detail, but...
At some point in time.
Yeah.
It's...
Describe it.
(18:03):
It's cool.
It's cute.
It's fun.
It is.
It absolutely is.
It's very, very unexpected.
A very unexpected individual.
You know, someone from my past.
But it's like, oh, okay.
I see a different side of you.
And there's definitely, I'mdefinitely a different me, you
(18:26):
know.
But yeah, it's fun.
Especially when you openyourself up to it.
Like, I think if I can be, if Ican be transparent and honest,
I'll say that.
Initially, I was like, anyway,what I call for or what I need
is, you know what I mean?
Like, ain't nobody...
(18:46):
Ain't nobody on that.
But after a while, you know, ittakes a lot for a man to be
honest and vulnerable.
Right.
And put themselves out there.
So they got to a point where Iwas like, well, wait a minute.
Let me not.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, let me not disrespect thevulnerability.
And I think once I did that, itkind of allowed the
(19:08):
conversations to kind of taketheir natural course.
course so it's pretty cool likeI don't know what's gonna
happen or be the outcome I'm notthere's no expectation you know
what I mean it's just it's justfun right now so I feel like
that sounds very relatable tofreaking Tevin and chemistry
yeah like chemistry reallycouldn't figure out like Tevin
(19:30):
like what's your angle you aboutto mess up you doing too good
Tevin came in very strong verylike this is exactly what I want
I want you I like you This iswhat we doing.
What time you doing this?
And then she's over here like,hold on.
Slow down.
Slow down.
Slow your rope.
Right, right, right.
He's like, I ain't got noissues.
If you don't be sitting inplace, like he's shooting
(19:52):
straight.
Yeah.
It's kind of something youlike.
It's refreshing.
Same thing for y'all too.
I know it's been a minute sincethat first beautiful love
happened.
But I need you to flash itback.
I need you to flash it all theway back when you like, dang,
that's it.
I feel like we all sort ofhave, like, the same story.
Like, hey, we dealt with somea**holes.
I'm like, man, dudes ain'ts**t, they ain't s**t.
(20:13):
And then all of a sudden,somebody pop up, and you're
like, oh, you're trying to bedifferent.
And I think, I mean, sort oflike Demetria, like, I pushed
back on her for a minute, goodone.
I mean, I was, like, literally20 years old when I met Alvin.
And part of me was, I had onlyever had, like, ridiculous
relationships with a lot of likefighting and just, ah, you
know, gotta have drama.
(20:33):
I just thought, I thought thatbecause all my friends, they had
dramatic relationships.
That's what I had previously.
I thought that drama andarguing and stomping off and all
that.
I thought that that was, that'swhat a relationship was, you
know?
So then like when I met Alvinand he was just like, I'm not
going to be arguing with you.
Like, I'm not, you about tostop off then.
Oh, okay.
Well, I guess I'm gonna see youlater.
I don't like, he wasn't goingto chase me.
(20:54):
He wasn't going to sit thereand argue with me.
And I mean, you, you do end uplooking like an idiot when you
just argue with yourself.
You realize you just, I'm not,now I'm just up here yelling.
Ain't nobody yelling back.
Like, this is weird.
And, um, it's, I mean, so Ifought him for those reasons
because again, just cause hejust was like, I'm just, I'm not
going to be dramatic with you.
And I did.
I really did.
At that time I was young.
(21:15):
I thought that that's what arelationship had to have.
And then I also fought the factthat it's crazy to be 20 years
old and feel like, oh my gosh,this is the person I'm going to
marry.
Because again, you're like, I'monly 20.
I can't already be wife up.
I feel like we're about to meetsomebody.
And so, you know, you fightagainst it.
But at the same time, you'relike, it's like he never gave me
(21:37):
a reason to break up with him.
Even when I was like, I mean,again, I was just looking.
No, no, let's fight.
Let's fight.
I mean, I didn't know anybetter.
I didn't know.
I didn't No, I promise.
You're being ridiculous fornothing.
Just for no reason.
Just throwing 10 potentials.
And again, I mean, I was 20.
I had just, I mean, I had justcrossed into sorority.
(21:58):
So all of a sudden people giveme a little look.
So I'm like, Oh shoot, let metry to be.
But then at the same time, I'mlike, he literally, he was like,
if there was a checklist, Imean, he was just like me and
everything.
I was just like, okay, girl,you'd be so stupid if you
just...
Right, if you just walk awaybecause you think, oh, well,
you're 20 and you're too youngor whatever.
(22:19):
But...
here we are.
Like I said, I mean, I foughtagainst her for a little bit.
Then I was like, you know what?
Let me just go with it.
Let me just do it.
Let me just do it.
Okay.
And here we are 20-somethingyears later and just looking
back and I'm like, dude, it donereally been like, literally,
I've been Mrs.
Salter longer than I was everMs.
(22:40):
Neal.
Like, it was just crazy.
That is crazy.
Um, But I mean, and I dounderstand like, you know, why
it would not work out foreveryone.
Cause if I look back at who wewere when we first got together,
you know, 20 years old, wedidn't know anything, but we did
sort of have, you know, acouple of like the main common
goals in mind of, Hey, you knowwhat we wanted family, this and
that and stuff, you know?
(23:00):
And I said, he just was, he, Iwas looking at my dad treated me
very well.
Nothing that he treated me verywell.
And when I tell you that Alvinjumped in and he was like, oh,
you're right here treatingpeople like that.
Oh, okay.
My daddy set a very high barand you were jumping in meeting
them standards.
I really had no...
I never had a choice but to sayyes, because I really would
(23:21):
have been like a fool.
I would have been a dummy.
And I love, I absolutely lovethat.
Like, I love that for you.
And I've told you before, youknow, at this stage of my life,
you being a part of my life andme being able to see you guys
interact, you know, with eachother and still see you get to
be the woman that you are,right?
(23:41):
The woman that you are, thefriend that you are, the mother
that you are, the wife that youare.
And like, there's no, there'sno conflict Or there's no you're
not being forced to be onething or the other, you know,
and you have that support fromhim.
Like, that is the only thingthat has me really entertaining
this new thing that this newthing slash old thing back.
(24:03):
Like, you know, because I'mlike, OK, well, you know, maybe,
you know, maybe.
those men are out there that,that get it and they understand
and they're not, they're notthreatened by, you know, the,
the things.
And then, you know, you, youdo, you do what needs to be
done.
Touche.
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The first thing, when ithappened, describe it.
Cause I always knew, Iremember.
Yeah.
I remember when, I remember, Iremember.
Yeah.
No.
So I'm, I've been engaged for ayear now, but wedding countdown
is on.
Less than six months out.
(24:44):
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
We're coming up on that time.
But no, me and Antron...
I don't know.
We were just very open witheach other at the beginning.
We both weren't really lookingfor anything serious.
He had told me when he met mehe wanted to be single for at
least three more years.
So he really was not.
And I had just been out ofsomething for a little bit and
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trying to recover from that.
And so when we came in, we wereboth like, all right, so...
I'm not even gonna lie to you.
I'm dating like two otherpeople.
And I was like, great.
I'm also dating two otherpeople.
So am I.
So, you know, may the odds beever in your favor.
But we just really like, wedidn't put any pressure on it.
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And we just really went on thefact that if it was meant to be,
it'll be.
And so all the others went awayand we just really started to
enjoy each other's company andstarted to truly be friends.
Because I had never been in arelationship before where I was
where I could truly say that wasmy best friend.
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Like I was in thoserelationships.
I was like, oh, my boyfriendlocate Loki hates me, but I love
him, though.
But I know he hates me.
And so with him, it'sdefinitely not that like that is
my best friend.
And so, yeah, it's just beeneasy.
Like, I'm not nervous about itat all.
He's not nervous about it.
And we've just given each othertime and space to grow.
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So it's just been very, verynatural.
Very, very natural.
Yeah, I didn't come into itwith any scorn or hate.
Like, I knew what I wanted andwhat I wasn't going to put up
with, and that was people whoare not emotionally mature.
And Antron is very emotionallymature.
He challenged me in a lot ofspaces, so...
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From there, it was, you know,it was very, very easy.
And that's what I tell people.
Love shouldn't be hard.
Like, when you figure it out.
Knock down, drag out.
Like, that's not cute.
It truly should not be hard atall.
It shouldn't be.
It shouldn't hurt.
It shouldn't hurt.
(26:50):
It shouldn't be painful.
That doesn't mean y'all don'tmake mistakes or do things to
hurt the other person, but it'snot out of malice.
You should be able to recover.
If y'all are doing too much toosoon, you need to reevaluate
because it really shouldn't beall that.
It shouldn't.
Unknown (27:10):
Okay.
Speaker 00 (27:10):
alright guys moving on are y'all okay?
you know the whiskey is hittingy'all got a what do you call
it?
Zane is meant for brown liquorabsolutely I don't know about
all these other pairings but thepairing of Zane and brown
liquor it goes together real badso now we're going to get into
(27:33):
the juice of it all Natasha toldme at this point this is when I
say there could be spoilersPossibly.
That don't mean tune out.
That just means lean in.
If you haven't read the book,then I mean...
Lean in.
Come on, love.
We're going to give you all thejuice so you can read it for
your own self.
We're going to start thiswith...
(27:53):
The Black Lady.
Fawn Weaver.
That's Uncle Nearest.
This is her thing right here.
And we're going to pair thatwith beef salami and gouda
cheese with some crackers.
Nice little lunchables.
It's a grown lunchable.
Yeah, a little charcuterie.
I'm a little nervous.
We're going to talk about that.
(28:13):
We're going to make aconnection between this secret
recipe and this secret that thisbitch should have kept in the
book.
Oh, no.
Oh, she cook.
She loose.
It's a brown liquor.
It's a brown liquor.
Put it on the side.
The brown liquor made me do it.
I thought we was talkingsecrets.
(28:34):
I thought I was amongstfriends.
Yes, we are amongst friends.
This is the same stage.
What you do not know, I guessthe viewers may not know, is the
fact that what we're talkingabout, we've been talking about
Gemistry and Tevin, which is herlove interest.
She had a best friend that shewas roommates with called
Winsome.
Winsome is a bisexual woman whois also very free in life.
More of like, I think, commonday, we would call her more like
(28:57):
polyamorous.
Maybe.
Maybe Polly.
A little bit.
She likes living her life.
She likes what she likes.
Yes.
And as long as it's all ethicaldone, she gonna...
You said trisexual.
She willing to try anything.
She's very sexually free.
Meaning there is an instantwhere there was a roommate walk
(29:21):
in.
We ain't gonna tell you toodeep, but just know it was more
than...
Oh, fuck.
three people involved.
Yeah.
She just had no boundaries.
She had no boundaries.
That's what it boiled down to.
This is yours.
Oh, okay.
I was like, oh, that'shappening.
Overpassing.
Overpassing.
I didn't even know it gotpassed.
Oh, that's sweet.
(29:41):
All right.
Here goes this.
You ready to taste it?
Give her a try.
Let y'all know this is 100proof.
Oh, okay.
That explains it.
Okay, alone, I'm going to sayUncle Neary's is smooth.
Oh, my gosh.
I should put this on a cup ofrocks and be good.
It is really, really smooth.
Oh, that's so good.
I put a cup of rocks in there,I'd be good.
Now, let me taste it with thisLunchable.
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The Lunchable, right?
I feel wrong.
That is good.
This actually should besomething I should take to work
for real.
It's really good together.
This is good.
Okay.
So for all you non-whiskeydrinkers, absolutely, yeah.
We out here at the park havinglike a little picnic.
(30:26):
Get your little blanket, getyour little picnic basket,
bottle of whiskey and a littlecharcuterie.
You in the game.
Gemma Street, Winsome, how didyou feel about the situation?
And describe the situation sothe people can know a little bit
about it.
That was not her damn friend.
Let me tell you, I don't haveno friends.
I want to talk aboutfriendships on both sides.
I want to talk about Tevin'sfriend.
I also want to talk aboutchemistry as well.
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Winsome was that girl, and Ithink a lot of girls have them
in their friend group, that youjust don't leave alone with your
man.
You do not.
You just don't leave them alonewith your man.
Winsome was trifling.
She very much was.
But also think...
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It was a protective mechanism.
So to explain withoutoversharing, when some decided
to sabotage...
Gemistry and Tevin'srelationship in a very, very
sexual, very, very hurtful wayto make it seem as if she knows
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that Gemistry has trust issuesand is triggered easily.
And so she decided to set Tevinup in a way that was very
trifling.
And so, yeah, she was just oneof those friends that you
just...
Stop cutting.
That was not her plan.
For Gemistry, she was a littlenaive, thinking like, yeah, she
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might be a little out there, butit'll never come back.
None of that's coming back.
What is it?
The chicken comes back home,the roots or whatever like that?
That ain't going to never comeback here.
You know your friend is likethat, but you think they're
going to be like that withsomebody else.
You would never be the person.
And see, and here's the thingwhere I go back to not blaming
Gemistry, but...
You have to.
You have to set...
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boundaries like you have to setboundaries you get to a place
in life where you have to setboundaries and the people that
you choose to be around or allowin your circle right like or
certain levels of access theyhave to have the appropriate
boundaries as well well I wouldget it though if that's your
best friend like it's just likey'all like yeah Never.
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Never in my brain.
I would be so shocked.
I don't have nobody in my innercircle who I would even think
about.
But who Winsome was, though.
So here's the other thing.
People are who they are.
We get these pictures in ourminds of how we want people to
be, right?
Because that's what fits ournarrative.
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And that's what would make...
things pleasing to us.
But Winsome, she was who shewas.
She didn't have what...
She had no boundaries.
There was nothing about Winsomethroughout the entire story.
There was nothing about herthat said she had boundaries.
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She didn't even respect GemmaStreet and the fact that they
lived together.
Gemma Street spoke aboutmultiple times where it's like,
You don't even respect the factthat this space is shared.
Like, you're not in the room.
You're not in the bathroom.
Like, you're in the livingroom.
Like, so she did not haveboundaries.
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So for, you know, again, like,you want to believe, right?
Like, oh, no, this is my dog.
This is my best friend.
Like, they would never.
Yes, they would.
If they don't have boundaries,a person that doesn't have
boundaries doesn't haveboundaries.
I don't think it's almost likeshe wanted to, I wouldn't say
possess chemistry, but it was away like, you my friend, we in
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this together.
Absolutely.
It was very misery lovecompany.
She was miserable.
She was a hundred miserabletoo.
Even after the situation, shewas like, what about us though?
Yeah.
If you go, if you go livehappily ever after, then I have
to do this by myself.
And that was what, but here'sthe thing.
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For a person that hasboundaries, it's crazy.
For a person who doesn't haveboundaries, what is the most
extreme thing that I can do sothat I only have to do it once?
Sabotage.
Like...
if we go back to the end of thebook, the fact that she even
tried to become friends again,it was crazy.
That was, that was, that wasfor the book.
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That is not real life.
I'm sorry.
There has to be a special setof wings.
There has to be a special setof wings in heaven for chemistry
for that.
Cause absolutely not.
I've got friends off her wayless for just the thought of, or
the idea that you might, youknow what?
If you were like, Oh, I loveyou.
Yeah.
Who looks sexy?
(35:09):
My man looks sexy?
Do you?
No, that's crazy.
You said it out loud.
I don't know because Ireally...
So when we read it, I was like,hey, no way.
That's not her friend.
I know we talk about, oh, well,you have that friend who you
know who they are.
They are wild friends.
They are wild friends.
I don't know if maybe just forme at the point I'm at in life
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now, because again, I'm justlike...
I'm old, so I'm like...
I don't call everybody myfriend.
I know y'all say I be out here,and I do.
I'm very social, and I behaving people...
You're friendly.
I am friendly.
The people who I consider likemy friends, who I'm like, hey,
you work with my house, webreaking bread.
I don't think there's anybodyin what I would consider like my
inner circle who I would not100% be like, Yeah, you can be
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at my house.
Go to my house.
Like, hey, I'm going to let youin.
Whatever.
Yeah.
There's nobody, like, in thatspace.
Do I know some people who maybe, like, somewhere hovering in
the outer ring?
In the vicinity.
But I would never have calledthem my friend.
Like, I don't have anybody whoI'm, like, regularly, hey, we
live, like, they live together.
Like, what?
That's crazy.
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Once again, I do think, like Isaid, Gemma was very, like,
naive in a sense.
Like, this is my best friend.
She has, like, that loyalty inher own brain that it
translates.
Like, she wild.
But not me.
She'll do that to them, butshe's not going to do that to
me.
She would never come this waywith that kind of energy.
Like, because I got her backand she know that.
(36:32):
And you know what?
Another thing.
And another thing people too,like we expect ourselves from
other people.
Yeah.
Like subconsciously.
Right.
Like, so subconsciously- Iwould never do that.
So clearly they would never-There's no way that that person
would do it because I wouldnever do that, right?
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And again, that's somethingthat I, you know, having a young
adult, I share with him likeearly because I just learned
that, right?
This is something that Ilearned recently.
Like, you know what?
That makes all the sense in theworld, right?
And that's where we getdisappointed where- We have
those expectations of peoplebased on how we would maneuver
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or how we would handle asituation.
And then when people prove tobe somebody, to be their own
person, right?
Which they always have been.
And do their own thing.
And there's the disappointment.
And sometimes it hurts.
Like sometimes it's hurtfulbecause it's like, dang, I would
never do that to you.
Right?
And then people...
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take it personal, like apersonal attack.
And it's not necessarily apersonal attack on me as an
individual.
That's just who, that's justwho the hell we are.
Like, and I gotta just, Igotta, I gotta let you be you.
How did I not see that in youbefore?
Yeah.
So now I'm mad at me becauseI'm like, now why you mad at you
though?
Why I didn't know?
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Yeah.
Because you didn't know.
People show you who they are.
You got to believe them.
Believe them.
Dagon, Maya.
Believe them.
Absolutely.
Until you learn, you learn.
I thought that was a...
That's what got me on GermanStreet.
I didn't feel like she learned.
No, because I wouldn't havetold you.
Yes.
I think there was some...
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Maybe it's the point of this,right?
This auntie winsome.
No, not never.
But there is a point, I guess.
She kind of treated her morelike how we treat family, right?
Like, let's say you had acousin that did that.
Y'all still family.
Unfortunately, we still make away.
We like, you ain't gonna never.
I don't.
I feel like we're not anymore.
(38:38):
I feel like we used to, but Ifeel like we are not anymore.
I feel like now, we're like,you know what?
So you tell me.
Blood is what it is, what itis.
We are at a point, at least foreverybody who I talk to, we're
at a place where we realize wedon't have to just accept
anything.
Whether it's family, friends,used to be, whatever it is now.
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hey uncle what you did was veryinappropriate and I'm not going
to be up here breaking breadwith you at Thanksgiving like we
cool because it wasn't andanyone who else is going to be
okay with that just don't inviteme don't invite me are you now
telling the whole story to thewhole family like you're like
Hey, this is why we're not coolno more because now you're
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showing up.
Well, here's the thing.
Everybody knows.
Everybody knows.
Stuff that we used to keep alittle rough, they want you to
say it now.
Now, here's the thing.
I don't want to go too deepinto it, but I think
collectively...
As a culture, we are doing,we're moving a little bit
different.
We are changing secrets and thehiding of everything.
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Because we used to think it wasour secret, but no, I don't
have nothing to be ashamed of.
You should be ashamed.
So I'm right here covering foryou.
Which is crazy because it didjust confuse to happen.
And then all of a sudden you'relike, Right.
So we're not, we're not doingit because again, you made me
feel like it was my shame whereI said, I'm the one that did
something wrong.
Like, turns out it's not, itwas you.
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And we was all covered forwhat?
Like, so I feel like we decidedthat, that we just not accepted
anything.
And we're not, we're not gonnabe cool with a lot of stuff that
I feel like we used to be coolwith.
Yeah.
The conversation has definitelychanged.
And I think it's really more sowith the push towards a lot of
open conversations about mentalhealth.
(40:23):
And that's a big thing, youknow, that we, didn't as a, as a
culture and a community, right.
We haven't always discussedthat or focused on that and what
that looks like, what thatmeans.
So I think overall in general,and that's any relationship, you
know, romantic relationships,friendships, family
relationships, it's about thehealth, like what's healthy,
(40:44):
right.
Like, what's healthy?
What's positive?
And if it's not, guess what?
It's okay to let it go.
Like, it's okay to let it go.
You know, love people from adistance.
Like, no hard feelings onnothing.
What you have going on or howyou move, how you maneuver, that
doesn't work for my mentalhealth.
Like, it does not put me in agood space.
And I think it's all abouttalking, which is what I feel
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like I've learned the most from,like, the younger generation
coming up.
Cause I say, and we can evenlike, just keep it like the
simplest level.
Even when you talk about,remember when it used to be a
thing like, Oh no, we don't talkabout how much money you make.
Like no one, no one discussespay.
Crazy.
Right.
But we realized the reason theydidn't want to talk about pay.
Cause turns out he can pay morethan me.
(41:29):
Right.
It's all right.
So like this next generationcame up like, Wait, hold up.
Well, why is that a secret?
Right.
And then they come up, like,everything that we were taught,
as I say, you know, we aroundhere, they, no, we don't talk
about this, but they like, no,we talk about everything.
And the way, the waycommunication on all levels of
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any subject changes things,because now that we all have
these conversations, we all knowwhat we will and won't put up.
We're like, what?
I was dealing with, girl, it'slike, it's just overwhelming.
It opens our eyes to so much.
It don't matter what thesubject is.
We talking about it.
Ain't no secrets right here,y'all.
(42:11):
We putting everything.
All our cards is turned up.
What's happening?
I'll tell you right now.
My paycheck don't always alignwith my lifestyle.
And I don't think my lifestyleis the problem.
I think it's my damn paycheck.
So who do I need to talk to?
We got the same position.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Cool.
Let me...
Okay.
I'll talk to the people.
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There's just so many thingsthat used to be secrets that I
feel like...
And that is one thing I reallydo feel like I've learned from
the generation coming up that,no, no, no, we not keeping
nothing secret.
I'm like, y'all might be on tosomething.
So to be the devil's advocatein that, I'm sorry, that's how
the story back in.
After they actually reallyeffectively communicate, did you
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think that was open for a goodfriendship then when someone,
because we know what happened.
It's on the table about whathappened.
Finally, the second time thatWinsome...
We talked about all the reasonswhy.
I know.
Second time Winsome came, shecame with some sense because
that first time was stupid.
I don't know what that was.
Second time, she still ain'tmeant to...
Damn it, you're right.
I wanted her to say it.
(43:14):
So now that you're talkingabout communication, if this
person is now trying to show alittle bit of accountability...
No.
Because she even...
I mean, Gemma Street evencommunicated with Tevin about
the situation.
and about bringing her back.
Now, with the whole situationoverall, Gemma Street, from my
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perspective, she was wrong inhow she handled the situation
initially because she didn'tallow that man to explain she
didn't allow that man theconversation you see what I'm
saying like and not only becauseshe knew but she knew who her
friend was you see what I'msaying like so I think she was
wrong but it was a deep hurt yougot two of your like number one
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people in your life but she waswaiting the thing with Jim and
Sharia was she was waiting forher She expected.
She was not shocked.
She expected him.
She expected him.
She expected that.
So she didn't even give himany, she didn't give him the
benefit of the doubt.
Like, no, he, everything thathe showed her that was that he
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was a good man.
You, she knew her friend waswho her friend was, but because
she was so, because she was sodamaged and, She didn't even,
all that went out the window.
And he was just like, oh no,you definitely are part of the
problem.
But do you not think that wasnot a lack of, like, I think she
was aware of that aboutherself.
I don't feel like she never notsaid that about herself.
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She was aware.
Because she even said like,because he's, you know, whenever
they ran into each other.
Yeah.
She admitted to the fact, like,I just, I couldn't, like.
Yeah, but she was aware, butshe still had, she definitely
owed him a conversation.
And, And again, not to giveto...
Okay, so that's what I'malluding to because I don't want
to get too deep into it.
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But at some point, when you arecommitted to somebody at a
certain level, you owe them aconversation.
A hundred percent.
You owe them some sort ofconversation.
And so I think she was wrongfor not talking to that man, but
I think she was extra wrongwhen it got to the point that
he...
He is owed a conversation.
(45:25):
And she still kept it.
Yes.
Kept it.
Yeah, that was great.
That's what I don't agree with.
All right, guys, what are we?
Who's this book for?
Let's let's talk about.
I would say the book is for.
I don't know if you are readinga lot of like if your life a
little bland for a second andyou need something that's going
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to get your blood boiling byyourself.
A little beach read, a littlequick read.
If you like a little sex on theside of your books.
There's nothing about on theside.
There's nothing about on theside.
I just think if you need a goodlittle thing.
It's a good little beach read.
(46:06):
You on vacation.
And they don't go too deep.
It ain't going to be like superdeep erotica.
It's very surface touch eroticato me for this one.
Yeah.
I feel like they might have hada couple.
I mean, it was a lot ofdescription.
It was description, but that'snot erotica.
Like, there was not a lot ofsexual scenes.
It was.
It was.
It was like, I can count liketwo of them.
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It wasn't Fifty Shades.
It wasn't Fifty Shades.
Zayn has worse books.
Yeah, and not worse.
Not worse in a bad way.
But more detail.
More descriptive, if you will.
So at the beginning, of course,they're going to tie you into
that and then you get a wholewhatever.
But who is this book for, guys?
I just don't think too muchabout it.
So all my younger generationreaders, don't think too deep
(46:49):
into this book at all.
Don't think too deep into it.
Just read it for what it is.
And it is a Black erotica lovenovel.
Go into it like that.
Hold on.
Can I just real quick?
We're going to have a wholesegment on the different ways
that legs call us old.
Absolutely.
It's not easy.
(47:10):
No.
Am I old too?
Because I didn't catch none ofthat.
I didn't feel it.
Am I part of the old group?
No.
None of y'all are part of theold group.
I'm not even saying y'all areold.
We love that.
Let me tell you.
It's going to be...
I'm fine.
Me and Star are going to...
We're going to host it.
It's going to be a statement.
We're going to clip up all thedifferent ways that let's be
(47:33):
like, these old...
Right.
The book is just a littledated.
That's all.
What you mean by dated?
Okay, so for your generation,tell us how it's dated.
I'm not...
The conversation's a little...
Yes.
I'm not trying to generalizeanybody.
She's trying to generalize.
I'm asking you to generalize.
When we were talking about thisbook, the comment I made, I do
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think that when we get into thetopic of sexuality, there are a
lot of stereotypical pretensesthat are put on people who
categorize themselves in anyspectrum of the LGBTQIA
community.
So, for example, Winston wasbisexual.
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That was her thing.
Whatever.
She was very into that.
Great.
Be who you are.
Love it.
But I do feel like there is thestereotype of people who are
bisexual being overly sexual.
Promiscuous.
Being promiscuous.
Being I'm down for any andeverything.
All types.
(48:40):
And I feel like That's a verydetrimental stereotype to put on
that group of people becausethat's something to put on any
group to put on any group ofpeople.
And so that's what I mean whenit's dated.
So don't go into it with thatmindset.
And that was my one critique ofthe book.
Yeah, that's fair.
That's fair.
Yeah.
But, you know, times have timeshave changed.
(49:01):
Like society has evolved, youknow.
And it's where we, where we aretoday is not where we were, you
know what I mean?
Five years ago, 10 years ago.
So that's fair, right?
To, for it to be dated in thatway.
In that way.
Yeah, that's fair.
So, yeah, but very, very fun.
Very spicy.
Who's the book for?
(49:22):
I think Zayn is for, I thinkZayn is for everybody.
Like, you know, like, It was myintroduction.
She was definitely myintroduction to erotica.
If I'm being honest, probablywhat allowed me to know that it
(49:44):
was okay to be sexual as afemale.
You know what I'm saying?
There's always this...
And again, speaking culturallyand how things have changed, I
think when...
I was when I was growing up,like, you know, the good girls,
you know, you know, still to anextent, like you want to be the
(50:05):
good girl.
Right.
In public and, you know, all ofthe things.
But it definitely allowed me tobe like, oh, I can I can know
what I like as a woman, too.
I can know what I enjoy as awoman.
I don't have to just beinvolved for your sake.
pleasure or benefit.
You know what I mean?
(50:26):
And that is very, veryempowering for me.
Like you were just an accessoryto sex.
Like you were just there forhim.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And I've always been...
The way they were talking inthese books, them same books
is...
Yeah.
But you've always been sorry.
And I was always likeconfident, a confident female.
But at that time, right?
Like again, going intoadulthood out of my parents'
(50:48):
house and...
working and, you know,interacting with different
people and differentexperiences, it definitely
empowered me for sure.
So I think it's for anybodylike that early stage, the
later, the later stage.
Don't do it.
Yeah.
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
You're like, well, I mean, mymom, I mean, at some point you
had to have done it.
(51:09):
Do you have anything else forme?
Right.
No, just don't come homepregnant.
Yeah.
You ain't got nothing.
Yeah.
But for me, that's, I'm like,So that same thing, like, you
know, I'm, no one ever told methat as a female, I could take
control of my sexuality and Ican, I can have some
suggestions, some, Hey, maybe alittle bit to the left.
(51:31):
It was just, okay, well you getwhat you get.
You don't pitch a fit.
Yes.
Well, so the vibe and it'slike, if somebody would have
told me, I definitely could havetaken a little bit control,
like a little bit early,whatever.
That's what I'm, I mean, soit's me when I, like, so the sex
talk I have with my child,which I know she probably was
like, this is too much.
It is too much.
(51:52):
I know mine be like, uh-uh.
Let me tell y'all something.
People be mad about Atlantatraffic.
Let me tell you something.
It is the best when you want tohave them conversations with
your kids because, hey, we gonnabe in this car.
Oh, guess what?
Your practice is 45 minutesaway.
We got 45 minutes.
You ain't got nothing to do butsit here and listen to me And
(52:14):
I'm like, what you want to talkabout?
What you like?
Who you like?
What you want to do?
Let's talk about it because...
I didn't want the conversationto be, that's not the
conversation I had, which was,ooh, don't do it.
Like, ooh, it's bad.
No, the thing is, it's good.
That's why the f*** we're doingit.
And it's healthy.
It could be good.
(52:34):
And it's healthy.
And if it's not good, that'snot the right person.
And tell them, tell them whatyou like.
As a matter of fact, you can'ttell them what you like if you
don't explore yourself a littlebit.
Like, ooh, you know what?
This is it right here.
But nobody not having noconversations so it's like but
that i feel like and for me isbecause i think i discovered
(52:57):
like i started reading you knowi said it was like zane and like
even like terry mcmillan anderic jones like all around same
time it was like i was like youknow maybe like a junior senior
in high school and stuff and itwas kind of like oh they talking
about all kinds of stuff youknow of course i'm like hiding
from my mom or whatever it's notsomething i shared with her
until i was like older but ialways just wanted to be like
let it like to let my daughterknow like you're Girl, we
(53:20):
talk...
Hey, I'm the mom you can talkto about it.
Yeah.
And let me tell you some stuff.
We're going to figure out somethings, whatever this and that,
because I don't want you to feellike it's something that is
wrong.
And the bottom line...
If you're doing it and it's notfeeling good, then you're not
doing it right.
So let's work on what...
I'm going to say...
That's not for you.
(53:40):
I mean, you should do somethingthat's going to feel good, like
not doing it for...
It's not like a job.
I think about Color Purpose.
Remember, she was like, I justlay there and...
Right, right, right.
No, it's supposed to beenjoyable for all of us.
I can relate to that.
So it is, it's like, hey, let'stalk about it.
Let's figure it out.
And that is, that's what Zaynintroduced me to.
(54:02):
I do, I feel like, I'm like,it's for anybody who's like, who
has an open mind and just wantto, just escape for a little
bit.
Life is hard.
Let's escape into a little bitof fiction for a little bit
where all the men got big dicksand say the right things.
Right.
Not everybody wants a big dickeither, though.
Now we getting on really offtopic.
(54:22):
I do.
But, but No, I do.
Not everybody.
That's going to be Black GirlsLit After Dark.
We're going to do a specialnon-book related segment.
So are we going to do a litchallenge or no?
Or are we going to go aheadand...
Oh, we got to do a litchallenge.
On the wrap up of the show,we're doing a lit challenge.
So the lit challenge for thisweek is going to be sexy fortune
(54:48):
cookies.
So on the spot, because theydid not want to be prepped.
So on the spot, you each haveto give I'm opening up my sexy
fortune cookie.
And you each have to give whatis it going to say when I open
up my sexy fortune cookie?
What the hell?
I tried to pre-warn y'all, soy'all can be ready.
(55:09):
So, like, this is somethingthat's going to happen to you?
It's a fortune.
It's a fortune cookie.
You know how fortune be like,tell me next week this will
happen.
Just some wise words, if youwill.
Okay, well...
Okay, does somebody alreadyhave this?
Y'all ready to give us anexample because you told us what
it is.
Just like what some of you findin a fortune cookie?
(55:29):
We've all had a fortune cookiebefore, right?
Oh, okay.
So tell the viewers and thelisteners their sexy fortune.
That's what you're doing rightnow.
They're opening up their,they're opening up your sexy
fortune cookie.
I got it.
Go ahead, Lex.
Go Lex.
(55:50):
Okay, we're opening it up.
It's going to say, it is adelicate flower, not a DJ
turntable.
Come on.
Okay.
Namaste.
Namaste.
What's wrong with it being a DJturntable?
No.
No.
Okay, let's.
No.
Be gentle.
A delicate flower.
(56:12):
Oh, you're talking aboutsomething.
Oh.
Not a DJ turntable.
I got my, I got my, you openup.
Sis.
Sis.
You will go to heaven this weekif only you give the right
directions.
Come on.
Okay.
Okay.
Sometimes you got to tell them.
(56:32):
Don't be afraid to tell themwhat you need.
Okay.
Okay.
I like it.
It's okay to ride in reverse.
And with that...
And with that, until next time.
Next time, we'll be doing TheNightingale.
The author's name is...
Kristen Hanna.
The Nightingale.
The Nightingale by KristenHanna.
(56:54):
The Nightingale.
Until next time.
Get a refill.
We'll see you guys next time.
Alright, y'all.
Bye.
Thank you for listening to theBlack Girls Lit Podcast.
Join us for our next pour andour next page, The Nightingale
by Kristen Hanna.
Make sure to like, subscribe,comment, and follow.
hey bookish baddies
Lex (00:10):
welcome to black girls lit
Natasha (00:15):
where fine women fine literature and fine libations
collide
Nicole (00:22):
step into the lit life black girls lit starts now
Star (00:26):
black women are so complex
Hey guys, welcome to Black GirlsLit Podcast.
We are here again.
My name is Nicole.
To my right is...
Lex (00:36):
I'm Lex.
Star (00:37):
I'm Star.
Natasha (00:38):
And I'm Natasha.
Nicole (00:39):
What's up, y'all?
So what we got going today,Lex?
Lex (00:43):
So today we are talking about the book, The Other Side
of the Pillow by Zane.
Today's Pairings will be, whatis this, whiskey?
Nicole (00:54):
Whiskey.
Speaker 00 (00:54):
Whiskey.
Natasha (00:55):
We're brown, y'all.
We're brown.
To get through this one.
But our BGL cocktail of theweek is a Gold Rush.
It is our Elijah Craig with alittle bit of honey syrup, some
lemon juice, and aromaticbitters.
(01:16):
So, cheers.
Cheers, ladies.
Nicole (01:19):
Ting, ting, ting.
Speaker 00 (01:20):
Good luck, y'all.
Gold rushes.
Oh, that's a man.
That's liquor.
That's liquor.
That's lit.
It's pretty.
Puts the lit in black girls'lives.
We came to get litty today.
The whole time to kill us.
She was bartending.
(01:41):
I did bartending and We need tomix it up.
See, now y'all wishing y'allhad them straws I talked about
now, huh?
She been trying to get somestraws.
Ain't nobody want no straws.
Told them we need some straws.
So to speak about Zayn, Zaynhas been around for a minute.
Zayn is an author that is withBlack Erotica, pretty much
(02:01):
meaning that she has a lot ofAfrican-American characters.
Well, not a lot of them.
Like, she has other characters.
She has nothing butAfrican-American characters in
her books.
And, of course, it's going tohave something steamy.
While also just having yourbasic book talking about
relationships and women.
She's a New York Timesbestseller.
She's also had her bookAddicted featured as a
(02:24):
screenplay, movie screenplay.
Tyler Perry did it not too longago.
And then also the SexChronicles are some other ones
that she's known of.
Yeah, just know if you everread a Zane, it's going to be a
little steamy.
But I think she was my firstlike, ooh, am I supposed to be
reading this?
Wasn't your first one?
Absolutely.
Yes, I agree.
My first one, I think it waslike Aaron Jerome, Dickie, or
(02:45):
them people like that.
Around about the same time, butno sex chronicle.
He's definitely the first forme.
I said, ooh.
On to the ratings.
Tell us about the ratings.
Tell the people about theratings.
The Other Side of the Pill,that's the Zane book we chose
this week, right?
So in this book, we're talkingabout where we have Gemma
Street.
She's sort of a woman scoring,not really in love with love,
(03:07):
but then Tevin come in sayingall the right things.
And so she got to decidewhether she's going to take the
leap, trust her heart or not.
I will say, you know, y'allknow our rating scale.
We giving it.
We cheers.
Cheers.
We love it.
Okay.
Sip.
If it's okay, it's good.
Like I said, about three stars.
Babysit if it's just okay, andthen send it back if we just
(03:30):
gonna send it back.
So I will start off.
I'm coming with...
I'm gonna say Cheers.
I did.
I liked it.
Cheers.
I was here for it.
You know what?
I'm gonna give it...
I don't know if there can besomething in between Babysit and
Cheers.
But that's what I'm gonna giveit.
Only because I needed a littlebit more character development.
It seemed like the typical...
(03:51):
book in general of how it wasprogressing.
So I wanted a little bit morelike meat to it.
But overall, I mean, was it agood read?
Was it a moment that I textstar and was like, girl, have
you read this part yet?
So I think I'm going to have togive it a cheers.
That sounds like a cheers,didn't it?
It was better than a sip.
(04:11):
Did it sound like a sip?
I don't know.
A sip and cheers.
I don't know.
But no, same though.
I think I would give it betweena sip and a babysit.
Oh my gosh.
This was my first Zane book.
I've never read Zane before.
But I do love me a good eroticanovel.
(04:34):
So, I enjoyed it.
I do think...
I do think it was a littledated, but we'll get into that
later into the podcast.
So that's the only thing that Iwas like, all right.
But, you know, as a millennialGen Z, I'm like right in the
middle.
Yeah, I have a catch on to thatquick.
(04:56):
So that's only why.
But it was cute.
It was cute.
Yeah.
I'm going to give it.
I'm going to sip this one.
I do love Zayn.
I love, love, love Zayn.
I'm giving it a sip because.
I don't...
necessarily love the Blackwoman scorn narrative.
(05:17):
I do think that there's a wayto get to, yes, we have, you
know, we go through challengesin relationships and, you know,
what the healing process of thatlooks like.
But the bitter, the bitter,angry Black woman, like, we
don't, it doesn't always endthat way.
You know what I mean?
Like, you can progress throughthe challenges of relationships
(05:40):
without it being that um sothat's why i'm sipping this one
but you know for for all intentsand purposes i get why she had
to be you know for the story butit's a tired story yeah i think
that when i go into it i'mjudging it for what i like i
(06:01):
already know what it's gonna beso i should be judging books
based on what i'm like okay thisThis is Zayn, but I'm not
necessarily looking forcharacter development or
anything like that.
I'm just like, you know why Ipicked up the book, Zayn.
Girl, you delivered.
Okay, we good.
You did what needed to be done.
I wouldn't even say she wentsuper hot, though.
It went super deep.
No, there was, there was, therewas some other, she's done a
(06:24):
lot of ones.
There were some things andshe's always going to get, you
know, if you can get beyond,right.
The core of what, what eroticais, right.
It is what it is.
But if you can get beyond that,there's always some underlying
issues.
story there's some there'ssomething there that you can
take from so I think that wassomething I shared with you like
when we were choosing the booklike okay so listen it's it's
(06:48):
gonna be sex and then it's gonnabe some more sex and a little
bit more sex and then it's gonnabe a story yeah like you can
get you know get beyond the andsome people are uncomfortable
with that right so if you canget beyond the whatever your
comfort level is with thatthere's definitely something
there you know there's alwayssome there's always some meat
there so Well, as we transitionto our first part to start
(07:12):
talking about this book, we'regoing to introduce you all to
Glenn Fetish.
I'm hoping I'm saying itcorrectly, but it's going to be
paired with some green apples.
This is what we're calling theSunday matinee.
The Sunday matinee.
Let our whistles start off hereat the top.
A little whiskey, a littleapple slice, you know.
(07:34):
That's going to be interesting.
They're like, oh, I never hadapples on my whiskey before.
Ever.
Going to be in the littleflames.
Yes, it is.
So when you're sipping on thisone, you're going to want to be
sitting here thinking about alittle Chris Jazz beat.
You know, little high-classrestaurants you go to.
(07:57):
She started off in a littlepoetry spot where she'd be in a
little poetry sleep.
Trying to do the little LoveJones part.
So our pairing, of course, likeI said, the green apples with
the Glen Fetish.
Let's taste it, y'all.
Let's see what's going on here.
That's rare.
Ooh, that brown liquor.
(08:19):
Mm-hmm.
But it's good.
Okay, the apple helps.
It is good.
So the apple takes out the...
Mm-hmm.
It does cool it down.
It tones it down.
It tones it all the way down.
It says, okay.
So if you got your brown andyou just go ahead and just eat
your little apple.
Mm-hmm.
So let's speak in about toningdown.
That was the beginning ofGematry's story here in this
(08:43):
book, right?
She had had this background ofbeing in bad relationships and
being treated bad, even thoughshe's given her all.
And now she's coming uponsomebody that wasn't playing so
many games, which is Tevin.
How do y'all feel about, youknow, the fresh start that
Gematry was experiencing rightat the top of the book?
All right, let's talk aboutGematry in the beginning of the
(09:05):
book in general, just herthought on men, right?
I think, I mean, it made sensewith the history she had of like
the physical abuse and allthat.
It made sense for her to feelthat way about men, like to have
a negative outlook.
If that's the only thing you'vebeen, that you've dealt with.
So, I mean, it definitely madesense.
And I mean, it also shows likea certain level of, I think like
(09:26):
bravery, just even put yourselfout there.
I mean, I've never been in anabusive relationship, not
physically abusive relationship.
So I can only imagine that.
that level of trust that's beenbroken and to be able to even
put yourself into anotherrelationship, I just feel like
that takes a lot of strength.
I don't know.
Think about it.
She had a roster at thebeginning.
She definitely had a roster.
(09:48):
She was like, uh-uh.
Very noncommittal.
I don't know if I want to evenbe close enough to even be
having sex with somebody,though, if I had been through an
abusive relationship.
I don't know.
I've just never been in it, soI don't know how I would handle
it.
She had some needs.
My concern with her at thebeginning was when she started
(10:08):
to speak on this pattern, right?
I think that was probably themost concerning thing for me at
the beginning is, you know, ifyou're talking about one bad
relationship or maybe two, butit was the pattern for me that
starts to suggest, like, maybeit's not everybody else, right?
(10:30):
Maybe...
And, and not, yeah.
And I mean, I think that's justin general, right.
In life.
Like I'm really big on energyright now.
Right.
Like you get what you put outand you know, like we attract
certain things.
So I think a lot of timespeople are just like serial
relationship people.
Like they need to need to needto, right.
(10:51):
And sometimes you need to takea step back and say, wait a
minute.
If I keep saying, findingmyself in these same types of
situations, these same types ofrelationships with these same
types of people, what am Idoing, right?
And not in the sense of likeblaming yourself, right?
But what am I not doing or whatam I not being clear about as
(11:15):
far as my expectations and whatI need and what I expect from
people that they feel that theycan keep giving me this, you
know?
So that was where I kind of,going back to my rating, like,
okay, girl, maybe it's you.
Like maybe you need to, youknow what I mean?
Like, and not in the sense oflike faults, but maybe you need
(11:37):
to take a step back and get toknow yourself, like, and be
confident in yourself.
And what is it that you reallywant and who you really are and
what you have to bring to thetable so that you can project
that.
And people, you know what Imean?
Like there's just a certainthing.
There's a certain energy thatyou put out where people know
(11:57):
like, nah, she don't look likeshe with the shenanigans.
You know what I mean?
Did she become a, was she aprincipal at that time when she
was 18?
Once she got out of thoserelationships, then that's when
she was like, hey, went back toschool and became a principal.
The vibes that she put up, likeyou said, with the whole roster
and she was the principal, andthey talked about how great she
(12:18):
was at running her school andeverything like that, that
really does not jive withsomebody who's getting beat on
to the point where they'regetting put to the hospital.
So maybe that was like she tookher power back point and then
she transitioned to who she is.
I think that was where, like,that was the headspace she...
was in slash was projecting shewas in because she did she did
(12:42):
talk about the point of theroster is she wanted to be
noncommittal and she wanted totake back all the power in her
relationship so being able tohop from guy to guy whenever she
wanted to however she wanted toand just being able to have
that power to be the man in therelationship, if you will, was
the stage she was at while shewas also in this very powerful
(13:04):
job as a principal.
So I think what you're saying,yeah, she worked...
By the time she was in thatheadspace, that's where she was.
I think it had been a whilesince she...
But that was like the lastserious relationship she had
when she was much younger andgetting beat on and hadn't been
in that headspace of like, getup, girl.
And this is her...
idea of getting up is the spaceshe believes she's in.
(13:28):
I think she was numbingherself, really.
That too.
I'm just not going to do that.
I'm going to use what I needand then I'm going to stay.
Cut it right there.
Yeah, just cut it right there.
That's it.
Defense mechanism.
A protection mechanism.
Which is also slightly toxic,maybe.
I don't know.
(13:48):
And I'm not trying to bejudgmental with the character.
And I guess from myperspective, right?
And I know we all go throughdifferent stages and we're in
different places at differenttimes.
And maybe to your point of itbeing dated slightly, It
definitely isn't giving Blackwomen in 2025.
(14:10):
It is not.
And I think the slightly toxictrait that you're pointing at is
that Jimistry projected verymuch on anybody that even came
close to her that were in themale variety.
She already came in with themindset of like, this man ain't
shit.
I already know he's going tof*** me over.
(14:30):
So I'm going to just hop onthis s***.
real quick and then be on myway and that was her and I do
think that part of it isextremely toxic because now
you're generalizing and how doyou find love that way if you're
not allowing yourself to bevulnerable like she was
definitely traumatized but shesaid she wasn't looking for love
she really just wanted shewanted to go for a ride and then
(14:53):
go and then go about herbusiness Oh, do we think that
that was a lie she was tellingherself?
I think that was a front.
I think that was a front.
I don't think it was.
I do.
I mean, I guess every humanbeing in the day, you probably
want to have somebody to carefor you.
Yes.
I think she was done.
Like, it terrified her toomuch.
She was traumatized.
Yeah.
Definitely traumatized.
Yeah, she was definitelytraumatized.
But rightfully so.
(15:14):
I mean, rightfully so.
Unknown (15:16):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 00 (15:16):
Well, I mean, speaking of tripping.
And that's what we're talkingabout.
That's what I'm saying.
What?
Complex.
Right.
Thinking of tripping into love,I feel like we should trip
accidentally into the nextdrink, unwisingly so.
Okay, okay.
Because however whiskey isfilling off the first two.
Yeah.
(15:36):
We're going to get into Elijah.
Elijah Craig.
Special shout out to theWerther's Original Caramel
Popcorn.
I just want this.
Isn't it amazing?
It looks like it's good.
I don't know why.
It's a whole vibe.
I'm not even going to lie toyou.
I was like, this is about toget stuck in my teeth.
I don't like the stickyfeeling.
Ah.
Touche.
(15:57):
I was like, uh-uh.
I'll take one.
But it's going down.
I saw what you did there, Star.
You should be feeling a littlenew.
I want you to feel soul inhere.
I want you to feel the musicsoul child in here.
You should feel a little bitof...
What's the other guy?
I don't know.
All the things.
(16:17):
The taste.
Okay, let me tell you.
Y'all were looking like...
Elijah was good.
I like this pairing.
It's cute.
Yeah, the popcorn is...
The popcorn is really the MVP.
The popcorn is the MVP.
Please understand.
I like it with the whiskey.
Where's the original caramelpopcorn?
We definitely need that.
It's a good pairing.
(16:38):
It's sweet now.
It's caramel popcorn, but it'snot like...
It doesn't stick in your teethtoo much.
Yeah.
And it's not like OD.
You know, like some caramelpopcorn be like, oh my God.
Yeah.
It's really good.
This is a cute pairing.
I like that.
And the caramel popcorn makes,it brings up more caramel
flavor.
It allows you.
Yes.
Are y'all tasting that?
I can't.
Yeah.
(16:59):
You gotta, you gotta let thepopcorn, yeah, like you gotta
get the popcorn on your wholetongue.
Because this right here.
guys, I don't know what they'retalking about.
Nicole, you gotta get thecaramel on your whole tongue.
Here she goes.
Oh, really?
(17:20):
So many thoughts were made.
I'm going to keep that overhere until at least the last
shot.
I was like, can we just wait aminute?
We talking about refreshing?
We just got that?
Sorry.
Sorry.
Okay.
Back to your question aboutrefreshing.
Refreshing love.
Refreshing love, girl.
That unexpected love that youain't know just caught you like,
(17:43):
oh, I wasn't even looking foryou.
Okay.
Yes.
Who's had that before?
I'm having it right now.
Oh, okay.
Tea.
Tea?
Right?
Tea.
Yeah, I'm not going to go intotoo much detail, but...
At some point in time.
Yeah.
It's...
Describe it.
(18:03):
It's cool.
It's cute.
It's fun.
It is.
It absolutely is.
It's very, very unexpected.
A very unexpected individual.
You know, someone from my past.
But it's like, oh, okay.
I see a different side of you.
And there's definitely, I'mdefinitely a different me, you
(18:26):
know.
But yeah, it's fun.
Especially when you openyourself up to it.
Like, I think if I can be, if Ican be transparent and honest,
I'll say that.
Initially, I was like, anyway,what I call for or what I need
is, you know what I mean?
Like, ain't nobody...
(18:46):
Ain't nobody on that.
But after a while, you know, ittakes a lot for a man to be
honest and vulnerable.
Right.
And put themselves out there.
So they got to a point where Iwas like, well, wait a minute.
Let me not.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, let me not disrespect thevulnerability.
And I think once I did that, itkind of allowed the
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conversations to kind of taketheir natural course.
course so it's pretty cool likeI don't know what's gonna
happen or be the outcome I'm notthere's no expectation you know
what I mean it's just it's justfun right now so I feel like
that sounds very relatable tofreaking Tevin and chemistry
yeah like chemistry reallycouldn't figure out like Tevin
(19:30):
like what's your angle you aboutto mess up you doing too good
Tevin came in very strong verylike this is exactly what I want
I want you I like you This iswhat we doing.
What time you doing this?
And then she's over here like,hold on.
Slow down.
Slow down.
Slow your rope.
Right, right, right.
He's like, I ain't got noissues.
If you don't be sitting inplace, like he's shooting
(19:52):
straight.
Yeah.
It's kind of something youlike.
It's refreshing.
Same thing for y'all too.
I know it's been a minute sincethat first beautiful love
happened.
But I need you to flash itback.
I need you to flash it all theway back when you like, dang,
that's it.
I feel like we all sort ofhave, like, the same story.
Like, hey, we dealt with somea**holes.
I'm like, man, dudes ain'ts**t, they ain't s**t.
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And then all of a sudden,somebody pop up, and you're
like, oh, you're trying to bedifferent.
And I think, I mean, sort oflike Demetria, like, I pushed
back on her for a minute, goodone.
I mean, I was, like, literally20 years old when I met Alvin.
And part of me was, I had onlyever had, like, ridiculous
relationships with a lot of likefighting and just, ah, you
know, gotta have drama.
(20:33):
I just thought, I thought thatbecause all my friends, they had
dramatic relationships.
That's what I had previously.
I thought that drama andarguing and stomping off and all
that.
I thought that that was, that'swhat a relationship was, you
know?
So then like when I met Alvinand he was just like, I'm not
going to be arguing with you.
Like, I'm not, you about tostop off then.
Oh, okay.
Well, I guess I'm gonna see youlater.
I don't like, he wasn't goingto chase me.
(20:54):
He wasn't going to sit thereand argue with me.
And I mean, you, you do end uplooking like an idiot when you
just argue with yourself.
You realize you just, I'm not,now I'm just up here yelling.
Ain't nobody yelling back.
Like, this is weird.
And, um, it's, I mean, so Ifought him for those reasons
because again, just cause hejust was like, I'm just, I'm not
going to be dramatic with you.
And I did.
I really did.
At that time I was young.
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I thought that that's what arelationship had to have.
And then I also fought the factthat it's crazy to be 20 years
old and feel like, oh my gosh,this is the person I'm going to
marry.
Because again, you're like, I'monly 20.
I can't already be wife up.
I feel like we're about to meetsomebody.
And so, you know, you fightagainst it.
But at the same time, you'relike, it's like he never gave me
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a reason to break up with him.
Even when I was like, I mean,again, I was just looking.
No, no, let's fight.
Let's fight.
I mean, I didn't know anybetter.
I didn't know.
I didn't No, I promise.
You're being ridiculous fornothing.
Just for no reason.
Just throwing 10 potentials.
And again, I mean, I was 20.
I had just, I mean, I had justcrossed into sorority.
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So all of a sudden people giveme a little look.
So I'm like, Oh shoot, let metry to be.
But then at the same time, I'mlike, he literally, he was like,
if there was a checklist, Imean, he was just like me and
everything.
I was just like, okay, girl,you'd be so stupid if you
just...
Right, if you just walk awaybecause you think, oh, well,
you're 20 and you're too youngor whatever.
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But...
here we are.
Like I said, I mean, I foughtagainst her for a little bit.
Then I was like, you know what?
Let me just go with it.
Let me just do it.
Let me just do it.
Okay.
And here we are 20-somethingyears later and just looking
back and I'm like, dude, it donereally been like, literally,
I've been Mrs.
Salter longer than I was everMs.
(22:40):
Neal.
Like, it was just crazy.
That is crazy.
Um, But I mean, and I dounderstand like, you know, why
it would not work out foreveryone.
Cause if I look back at who wewere when we first got together,
you know, 20 years old, wedidn't know anything, but we did
sort of have, you know, acouple of like the main common
goals in mind of, Hey, you knowwhat we wanted family, this and
that and stuff, you know?
(23:00):
And I said, he just was, he, Iwas looking at my dad treated me
very well.
Nothing that he treated me verywell.
And when I tell you that Alvinjumped in and he was like, oh,
you're right here treatingpeople like that.
Oh, okay.
My daddy set a very high barand you were jumping in meeting
them standards.
I really had no...
I never had a choice but to sayyes, because I really would
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have been like a fool.
I would have been a dummy.
And I love, I absolutely lovethat.
Like, I love that for you.
And I've told you before, youknow, at this stage of my life,
you being a part of my life andme being able to see you guys
interact, you know, with eachother and still see you get to
be the woman that you are,right?
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The woman that you are, thefriend that you are, the mother
that you are, the wife that youare.
And like, there's no, there'sno conflict Or there's no you're
not being forced to be onething or the other, you know,
and you have that support fromhim.
Like, that is the only thingthat has me really entertaining
this new thing that this newthing slash old thing back.
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Like, you know, because I'mlike, OK, well, you know, maybe,
you know, maybe.
those men are out there that,that get it and they understand
and they're not, they're notthreatened by, you know, the,
the things.
And then, you know, you, youdo, you do what needs to be
done.
Touche.
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The first thing, when ithappened, describe it.
Cause I always knew, Iremember.
Yeah.
I remember when, I remember, Iremember.
Yeah.
No.
So I'm, I've been engaged for ayear now, but wedding countdown
is on.
Less than six months out.
(24:44):
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
We're coming up on that time.
But no, me and Antron...
I don't know.
We were just very open witheach other at the beginning.
We both weren't really lookingfor anything serious.
He had told me when he met mehe wanted to be single for at
least three more years.
So he really was not.
And I had just been out ofsomething for a little bit and
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trying to recover from that.
And so when we came in, we wereboth like, all right, so...
I'm not even gonna lie to you.
I'm dating like two otherpeople.
And I was like, great.
I'm also dating two otherpeople.
So am I.
So, you know, may the odds beever in your favor.
But we just really like, wedidn't put any pressure on it.
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And we just really went on thefact that if it was meant to be,
it'll be.
And so all the others went awayand we just really started to
enjoy each other's company andstarted to truly be friends.
Because I had never been in arelationship before where I was
where I could truly say that wasmy best friend.
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Like I was in thoserelationships.
I was like, oh, my boyfriendlocate Loki hates me, but I love
him, though.
But I know he hates me.
And so with him, it'sdefinitely not that like that is
my best friend.
And so, yeah, it's just beeneasy.
Like, I'm not nervous about itat all.
He's not nervous about it.
And we've just given each othertime and space to grow.
(26:08):
So it's just been very, verynatural.
Very, very natural.
Yeah, I didn't come into itwith any scorn or hate.
Like, I knew what I wanted andwhat I wasn't going to put up
with, and that was people whoare not emotionally mature.
And Antron is very emotionallymature.
He challenged me in a lot ofspaces, so...
(26:29):
From there, it was, you know,it was very, very easy.
And that's what I tell people.
Love shouldn't be hard.
Like, when you figure it out.
Knock down, drag out.
Like, that's not cute.
It truly should not be hard atall.
It shouldn't be.
It shouldn't hurt.
It shouldn't hurt.
(26:50):
It shouldn't be painful.
That doesn't mean y'all don'tmake mistakes or do things to
hurt the other person, but it'snot out of malice.
You should be able to recover.
If y'all are doing too much toosoon, you need to reevaluate
because it really shouldn't beall that.
It shouldn't.
Unknown (27:10):
Okay.
Speaker 00 (27:10):
alright guys moving on are y'all okay?
you know the whiskey is hittingy'all got a what do you call
it?
Zane is meant for brown liquorabsolutely I don't know about
all these other pairings but thepairing of Zane and brown
liquor it goes together real badso now we're going to get into
(27:33):
the juice of it all Natasha toldme at this point this is when I
say there could be spoilersPossibly.
That don't mean tune out.
That just means lean in.
If you haven't read the book,then I mean...
Lean in.
Come on, love.
We're going to give you all thejuice so you can read it for
your own self.
We're going to start thiswith...
(27:53):
The Black Lady.
Fawn Weaver.
That's Uncle Nearest.
This is her thing right here.
And we're going to pair thatwith beef salami and gouda
cheese with some crackers.
Nice little lunchables.
It's a grown lunchable.
Yeah, a little charcuterie.
I'm a little nervous.
We're going to talk about that.
(28:13):
We're going to make aconnection between this secret
recipe and this secret that thisbitch should have kept in the
book.
Oh, no.
Oh, she cook.
She loose.
It's a brown liquor.
It's a brown liquor.
Put it on the side.
The brown liquor made me do it.
I thought we was talkingsecrets.
(28:34):
I thought I was amongstfriends.
Yes, we are amongst friends.
This is the same stage.
What you do not know, I guessthe viewers may not know, is the
fact that what we're talkingabout, we've been talking about
Gemistry and Tevin, which is herlove interest.
She had a best friend that shewas roommates with called
Winsome.
Winsome is a bisexual woman whois also very free in life.
More of like, I think, commonday, we would call her more like
(28:57):
polyamorous.
Maybe.
Maybe Polly.
A little bit.
She likes living her life.
She likes what she likes.
Yes.
And as long as it's all ethicaldone, she gonna...
You said trisexual.
She willing to try anything.
She's very sexually free.
Meaning there is an instantwhere there was a roommate walk
(29:21):
in.
We ain't gonna tell you toodeep, but just know it was more
than...
Oh, fuck.
three people involved.
Yeah.
She just had no boundaries.
She had no boundaries.
That's what it boiled down to.
This is yours.
Oh, okay.
I was like, oh, that'shappening.
Overpassing.
Overpassing.
I didn't even know it gotpassed.
Oh, that's sweet.
(29:41):
All right.
Here goes this.
You ready to taste it?
Give her a try.
Let y'all know this is 100proof.
Oh, okay.
That explains it.
Okay, alone, I'm going to sayUncle Neary's is smooth.
Oh, my gosh.
I should put this on a cup ofrocks and be good.
It is really, really smooth.
Oh, that's so good.
I put a cup of rocks in there,I'd be good.
Now, let me taste it with thisLunchable.
(30:04):
The Lunchable, right?
I feel wrong.
That is good.
This actually should besomething I should take to work
for real.
It's really good together.
This is good.
Okay.
So for all you non-whiskeydrinkers, absolutely, yeah.
We out here at the park havinglike a little picnic.
(30:26):
Get your little blanket, getyour little picnic basket,
bottle of whiskey and a littlecharcuterie.
You in the game.
Gemma Street, Winsome, how didyou feel about the situation?
And describe the situation sothe people can know a little bit
about it.
That was not her damn friend.
Let me tell you, I don't haveno friends.
I want to talk aboutfriendships on both sides.
I want to talk about Tevin'sfriend.
I also want to talk aboutchemistry as well.
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Winsome was that girl, and Ithink a lot of girls have them
in their friend group, that youjust don't leave alone with your
man.
You do not.
You just don't leave them alonewith your man.
Winsome was trifling.
She very much was.
But also think...
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It was a protective mechanism.
So to explain withoutoversharing, when some decided
to sabotage...
Gemistry and Tevin'srelationship in a very, very
sexual, very, very hurtful wayto make it seem as if she knows
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that Gemistry has trust issuesand is triggered easily.
And so she decided to set Tevinup in a way that was very
trifling.
And so, yeah, she was just oneof those friends that you
just...
Stop cutting.
That was not her plan.
For Gemistry, she was a littlenaive, thinking like, yeah, she
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might be a little out there, butit'll never come back.
None of that's coming back.
What is it?
The chicken comes back home,the roots or whatever like that?
That ain't going to never comeback here.
You know your friend is likethat, but you think they're
going to be like that withsomebody else.
You would never be the person.
And see, and here's the thingwhere I go back to not blaming
Gemistry, but...
You have to.
You have to set...
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boundaries like you have to setboundaries you get to a place
in life where you have to setboundaries and the people that
you choose to be around or allowin your circle right like or
certain levels of access theyhave to have the appropriate
boundaries as well well I wouldget it though if that's your
best friend like it's just likey'all like yeah Never.
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Never in my brain.
I would be so shocked.
I don't have nobody in my innercircle who I would even think
about.
But who Winsome was, though.
So here's the other thing.
People are who they are.
We get these pictures in ourminds of how we want people to
be, right?
Because that's what fits ournarrative.
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And that's what would make...
things pleasing to us.
But Winsome, she was who shewas.
She didn't have what...
She had no boundaries.
There was nothing about Winsomethroughout the entire story.
There was nothing about herthat said she had boundaries.
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She didn't even respect GemmaStreet and the fact that they
lived together.
Gemma Street spoke aboutmultiple times where it's like,
You don't even respect the factthat this space is shared.
Like, you're not in the room.
You're not in the bathroom.
Like, you're in the livingroom.
Like, so she did not haveboundaries.
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So for, you know, again, like,you want to believe, right?
Like, oh, no, this is my dog.
This is my best friend.
Like, they would never.
Yes, they would.
If they don't have boundaries,a person that doesn't have
boundaries doesn't haveboundaries.
I don't think it's almost likeshe wanted to, I wouldn't say
possess chemistry, but it was away like, you my friend, we in
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this together.
Absolutely.
It was very misery lovecompany.
She was miserable.
She was a hundred miserabletoo.
Even after the situation, shewas like, what about us though?
Yeah.
If you go, if you go livehappily ever after, then I have
to do this by myself.
And that was what, but here'sthe thing.
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For a person that hasboundaries, it's crazy.
For a person who doesn't haveboundaries, what is the most
extreme thing that I can do sothat I only have to do it once?
Sabotage.
Like...
if we go back to the end of thebook, the fact that she even
tried to become friends again,it was crazy.
That was, that was, that wasfor the book.
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That is not real life.
I'm sorry.
There has to be a special setof wings.
There has to be a special setof wings in heaven for chemistry
for that.
Cause absolutely not.
I've got friends off her wayless for just the thought of, or
the idea that you might, youknow what?
If you were like, Oh, I loveyou.
Yeah.
Who looks sexy?
(35:09):
My man looks sexy?
Do you?
No, that's crazy.
You said it out loud.
I don't know because Ireally...
So when we read it, I was like,hey, no way.
That's not her friend.
I know we talk about, oh, well,you have that friend who you
know who they are.
They are wild friends.
They are wild friends.
I don't know if maybe just forme at the point I'm at in life
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now, because again, I'm justlike...
I'm old, so I'm like...
I don't call everybody myfriend.
I know y'all say I be out here,and I do.
I'm very social, and I behaving people...
You're friendly.
I am friendly.
The people who I consider likemy friends, who I'm like, hey,
you work with my house, webreaking bread.
I don't think there's anybodyin what I would consider like my
inner circle who I would not100% be like, Yeah, you can be
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at my house.
Go to my house.
Like, hey, I'm going to let youin.
Whatever.
Yeah.
There's nobody, like, in thatspace.
Do I know some people who maybe, like, somewhere hovering in
the outer ring?
In the vicinity.
But I would never have calledthem my friend.
Like, I don't have anybody whoI'm, like, regularly, hey, we
live, like, they live together.
Like, what?
That's crazy.
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Once again, I do think, like Isaid, Gemma was very, like,
naive in a sense.
Like, this is my best friend.
She has, like, that loyalty inher own brain that it
translates.
Like, she wild.
But not me.
She'll do that to them, butshe's not going to do that to
me.
She would never come this waywith that kind of energy.
Like, because I got her backand she know that.
(36:32):
And you know what?
Another thing.
And another thing people too,like we expect ourselves from
other people.
Yeah.
Like subconsciously.
Right.
Like, so subconsciously- Iwould never do that.
So clearly they would never-There's no way that that person
would do it because I wouldnever do that, right?
(36:54):
And again, that's somethingthat I, you know, having a young
adult, I share with him likeearly because I just learned
that, right?
This is something that Ilearned recently.
Like, you know what?
That makes all the sense in theworld, right?
And that's where we getdisappointed where- We have
those expectations of peoplebased on how we would maneuver
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or how we would handle asituation.
And then when people prove tobe somebody, to be their own
person, right?
Which they always have been.
And do their own thing.
And there's the disappointment.
And sometimes it hurts.
Like sometimes it's hurtfulbecause it's like, dang, I would
never do that to you.
Right?
And then people...
(37:35):
take it personal, like apersonal attack.
And it's not necessarily apersonal attack on me as an
individual.
That's just who, that's justwho the hell we are.
Like, and I gotta just, Igotta, I gotta let you be you.
How did I not see that in youbefore?
Yeah.
So now I'm mad at me becauseI'm like, now why you mad at you
though?
Why I didn't know?
(37:55):
Yeah.
Because you didn't know.
People show you who they are.
You got to believe them.
Believe them.
Dagon, Maya.
Believe them.
Absolutely.
Until you learn, you learn.
I thought that was a...
That's what got me on GermanStreet.
I didn't feel like she learned.
No, because I wouldn't havetold you.
Yes.
I think there was some...
(38:17):
Maybe it's the point of this,right?
This auntie winsome.
No, not never.
But there is a point, I guess.
She kind of treated her morelike how we treat family, right?
Like, let's say you had acousin that did that.
Y'all still family.
Unfortunately, we still make away.
We like, you ain't gonna never.
I don't.
I feel like we're not anymore.
(38:38):
I feel like we used to, but Ifeel like we are not anymore.
I feel like now, we're like,you know what?
So you tell me.
Blood is what it is, what itis.
We are at a point, at least foreverybody who I talk to, we're
at a place where we realize wedon't have to just accept
anything.
Whether it's family, friends,used to be, whatever it is now.
(39:00):
hey uncle what you did was veryinappropriate and I'm not going
to be up here breaking breadwith you at Thanksgiving like we
cool because it wasn't andanyone who else is going to be
okay with that just don't inviteme don't invite me are you now
telling the whole story to thewhole family like you're like
Hey, this is why we're not coolno more because now you're
(39:20):
showing up.
Well, here's the thing.
Everybody knows.
Everybody knows.
Stuff that we used to keep alittle rough, they want you to
say it now.
Now, here's the thing.
I don't want to go too deepinto it, but I think
collectively...
As a culture, we are doing,we're moving a little bit
different.
We are changing secrets and thehiding of everything.
(39:42):
Because we used to think it wasour secret, but no, I don't
have nothing to be ashamed of.
You should be ashamed.
So I'm right here covering foryou.
Which is crazy because it didjust confuse to happen.
And then all of a sudden you'relike, Right.
So we're not, we're not doingit because again, you made me
feel like it was my shame whereI said, I'm the one that did
something wrong.
Like, turns out it's not, itwas you.
(40:03):
And we was all covered forwhat?
Like, so I feel like we decidedthat, that we just not accepted
anything.
And we're not, we're not gonnabe cool with a lot of stuff that
I feel like we used to be coolwith.
Yeah.
The conversation has definitelychanged.
And I think it's really more sowith the push towards a lot of
open conversations about mentalhealth.
(40:23):
And that's a big thing, youknow, that we, didn't as a, as a
culture and a community, right.
We haven't always discussedthat or focused on that and what
that looks like, what thatmeans.
So I think overall in general,and that's any relationship, you
know, romantic relationships,friendships, family
relationships, it's about thehealth, like what's healthy,
(40:44):
right.
Like, what's healthy?
What's positive?
And if it's not, guess what?
It's okay to let it go.
Like, it's okay to let it go.
You know, love people from adistance.
Like, no hard feelings onnothing.
What you have going on or howyou move, how you maneuver, that
doesn't work for my mentalhealth.
Like, it does not put me in agood space.
And I think it's all abouttalking, which is what I feel
(41:07):
like I've learned the most from,like, the younger generation
coming up.
Cause I say, and we can evenlike, just keep it like the
simplest level.
Even when you talk about,remember when it used to be a
thing like, Oh no, we don't talkabout how much money you make.
Like no one, no one discussespay.
Crazy.
Right.
But we realized the reason theydidn't want to talk about pay.
Cause turns out he can pay morethan me.
(41:29):
Right.
It's all right.
So like this next generationcame up like, Wait, hold up.
Well, why is that a secret?
Right.
And then they come up, like,everything that we were taught,
as I say, you know, we aroundhere, they, no, we don't talk
about this, but they like, no,we talk about everything.
And the way, the waycommunication on all levels of
(41:50):
any subject changes things,because now that we all have
these conversations, we all knowwhat we will and won't put up.
We're like, what?
I was dealing with, girl, it'slike, it's just overwhelming.
It opens our eyes to so much.
It don't matter what thesubject is.
We talking about it.
Ain't no secrets right here,y'all.
(42:11):
We putting everything.
All our cards is turned up.
What's happening?
I'll tell you right now.
My paycheck don't always alignwith my lifestyle.
And I don't think my lifestyleis the problem.
I think it's my damn paycheck.
So who do I need to talk to?
We got the same position.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Cool.
Let me...
Okay.
I'll talk to the people.
(42:32):
There's just so many thingsthat used to be secrets that I
feel like...
And that is one thing I reallydo feel like I've learned from
the generation coming up that,no, no, no, we not keeping
nothing secret.
I'm like, y'all might be on tosomething.
So to be the devil's advocatein that, I'm sorry, that's how
the story back in.
After they actually reallyeffectively communicate, did you
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think that was open for a goodfriendship then when someone,
because we know what happened.
It's on the table about whathappened.
Finally, the second time thatWinsome...
We talked about all the reasonswhy.
I know.
Second time Winsome came, shecame with some sense because
that first time was stupid.
I don't know what that was.
Second time, she still ain'tmeant to...
Damn it, you're right.
I wanted her to say it.
(43:14):
So now that you're talkingabout communication, if this
person is now trying to show alittle bit of accountability...
No.
Because she even...
I mean, Gemma Street evencommunicated with Tevin about
the situation.
and about bringing her back.
Now, with the whole situationoverall, Gemma Street, from my
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perspective, she was wrong inhow she handled the situation
initially because she didn'tallow that man to explain she
didn't allow that man theconversation you see what I'm
saying like and not only becauseshe knew but she knew who her
friend was you see what I'msaying like so I think she was
wrong but it was a deep hurt yougot two of your like number one
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people in your life but she waswaiting the thing with Jim and
Sharia was she was waiting forher She expected.
She was not shocked.
She expected him.
She expected him.
She expected that.
So she didn't even give himany, she didn't give him the
benefit of the doubt.
Like, no, he, everything thathe showed her that was that he
(44:19):
was a good man.
You, she knew her friend waswho her friend was, but because
she was so, because she was sodamaged and, She didn't even,
all that went out the window.
And he was just like, oh no,you definitely are part of the
problem.
But do you not think that wasnot a lack of, like, I think she
was aware of that aboutherself.
I don't feel like she never notsaid that about herself.
(44:42):
She was aware.
Because she even said like,because he's, you know, whenever
they ran into each other.
Yeah.
She admitted to the fact, like,I just, I couldn't, like.
Yeah, but she was aware, butshe still had, she definitely
owed him a conversation.
And, And again, not to giveto...
Okay, so that's what I'malluding to because I don't want
to get too deep into it.
(45:03):
But at some point, when you arecommitted to somebody at a
certain level, you owe them aconversation.
A hundred percent.
You owe them some sort ofconversation.
And so I think she was wrongfor not talking to that man, but
I think she was extra wrongwhen it got to the point that
he...
He is owed a conversation.
(45:25):
And she still kept it.
Yes.
Kept it.
Yeah, that was great.
That's what I don't agree with.
All right, guys, what are we?
Who's this book for?
Let's let's talk about.
I would say the book is for.
I don't know if you are readinga lot of like if your life a
little bland for a second andyou need something that's going
(45:45):
to get your blood boiling byyourself.
A little beach read, a littlequick read.
If you like a little sex on theside of your books.
There's nothing about on theside.
There's nothing about on theside.
I just think if you need a goodlittle thing.
It's a good little beach read.
(46:06):
You on vacation.
And they don't go too deep.
It ain't going to be like superdeep erotica.
It's very surface touch eroticato me for this one.
Yeah.
I feel like they might have hada couple.
I mean, it was a lot ofdescription.
It was description, but that'snot erotica.
Like, there was not a lot ofsexual scenes.
It was.
It was.
It was like, I can count liketwo of them.
(46:28):
It wasn't Fifty Shades.
It wasn't Fifty Shades.
Zayn has worse books.
Yeah, and not worse.
Not worse in a bad way.
But more detail.
More descriptive, if you will.
So at the beginning, of course,they're going to tie you into
that and then you get a wholewhatever.
But who is this book for, guys?
I just don't think too muchabout it.
So all my younger generationreaders, don't think too deep
(46:49):
into this book at all.
Don't think too deep into it.
Just read it for what it is.
And it is a Black erotica lovenovel.
Go into it like that.
Hold on.
Can I just real quick?
We're going to have a wholesegment on the different ways
that legs call us old.
Absolutely.
It's not easy.
(47:10):
No.
Am I old too?
Because I didn't catch none ofthat.
I didn't feel it.
Am I part of the old group?
No.
None of y'all are part of theold group.
I'm not even saying y'all areold.
We love that.
Let me tell you.
It's going to be...
I'm fine.
Me and Star are going to...
We're going to host it.
It's going to be a statement.
We're going to clip up all thedifferent ways that let's be
(47:33):
like, these old...
Right.
The book is just a littledated.
That's all.
What you mean by dated?
Okay, so for your generation,tell us how it's dated.
I'm not...
The conversation's a little...
Yes.
I'm not trying to generalizeanybody.
She's trying to generalize.
I'm asking you to generalize.
When we were talking about thisbook, the comment I made, I do
(47:56):
think that when we get into thetopic of sexuality, there are a
lot of stereotypical pretensesthat are put on people who
categorize themselves in anyspectrum of the LGBTQIA
community.
So, for example, Winston wasbisexual.
(48:19):
That was her thing.
Whatever.
She was very into that.
Great.
Be who you are.
Love it.
But I do feel like there is thestereotype of people who are
bisexual being overly sexual.
Promiscuous.
Being promiscuous.
Being I'm down for any andeverything.
All types.
(48:40):
And I feel like That's a verydetrimental stereotype to put on
that group of people becausethat's something to put on any
group to put on any group ofpeople.
And so that's what I mean whenit's dated.
So don't go into it with thatmindset.
And that was my one critique ofthe book.
Yeah, that's fair.
That's fair.
Yeah.
But, you know, times have timeshave changed.
(49:01):
Like society has evolved, youknow.
And it's where we, where we aretoday is not where we were, you
know what I mean?
Five years ago, 10 years ago.
So that's fair, right?
To, for it to be dated in thatway.
In that way.
Yeah, that's fair.
So, yeah, but very, very fun.
Very spicy.
Who's the book for?
(49:22):
I think Zayn is for, I thinkZayn is for everybody.
Like, you know, like, It was myintroduction.
She was definitely myintroduction to erotica.
If I'm being honest, probablywhat allowed me to know that it
(49:44):
was okay to be sexual as afemale.
You know what I'm saying?
There's always this...
And again, speaking culturallyand how things have changed, I
think when...
I was when I was growing up,like, you know, the good girls,
you know, you know, still to anextent, like you want to be the
(50:05):
good girl.
Right.
In public and, you know, all ofthe things.
But it definitely allowed me tobe like, oh, I can I can know
what I like as a woman, too.
I can know what I enjoy as awoman.
I don't have to just beinvolved for your sake.
pleasure or benefit.
You know what I mean?
(50:26):
And that is very, veryempowering for me.
Like you were just an accessoryto sex.
Like you were just there forhim.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And I've always been...
The way they were talking inthese books, them same books
is...
Yeah.
But you've always been sorry.
And I was always likeconfident, a confident female.
But at that time, right?
Like again, going intoadulthood out of my parents'
(50:48):
house and...
working and, you know,interacting with different
people and differentexperiences, it definitely
empowered me for sure.
So I think it's for anybodylike that early stage, the
later, the later stage.
Don't do it.
Yeah.
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
You're like, well, I mean, mymom, I mean, at some point you
had to have done it.
(51:09):
Do you have anything else forme?
Right.
No, just don't come homepregnant.
Yeah.
You ain't got nothing.
Yeah.
But for me, that's, I'm like,So that same thing, like, you
know, I'm, no one ever told methat as a female, I could take
control of my sexuality and Ican, I can have some
suggestions, some, Hey, maybe alittle bit to the left.
(51:31):
It was just, okay, well you getwhat you get.
You don't pitch a fit.
Yes.
Well, so the vibe and it'slike, if somebody would have
told me, I definitely could havetaken a little bit control,
like a little bit early,whatever.
That's what I'm, I mean, soit's me when I, like, so the sex
talk I have with my child,which I know she probably was
like, this is too much.
It is too much.
(51:52):
I know mine be like, uh-uh.
Let me tell y'all something.
People be mad about Atlantatraffic.
Let me tell you something.
It is the best when you want tohave them conversations with
your kids because, hey, we gonnabe in this car.
Oh, guess what?
Your practice is 45 minutesaway.
We got 45 minutes.
You ain't got nothing to do butsit here and listen to me And
(52:14):
I'm like, what you want to talkabout?
What you like?
Who you like?
What you want to do?
Let's talk about it because...
I didn't want the conversationto be, that's not the
conversation I had, which was,ooh, don't do it.
Like, ooh, it's bad.
No, the thing is, it's good.
That's why the f*** we're doingit.
And it's healthy.
It could be good.
(52:34):
And it's healthy.
And if it's not good, that'snot the right person.
And tell them, tell them whatyou like.
As a matter of fact, you can'ttell them what you like if you
don't explore yourself a littlebit.
Like, ooh, you know what?
This is it right here.
But nobody not having noconversations so it's like but
that i feel like and for me isbecause i think i discovered
(52:57):
like i started reading you knowi said it was like zane and like
even like terry mcmillan anderic jones like all around same
time it was like i was like youknow maybe like a junior senior
in high school and stuff and itwas kind of like oh they talking
about all kinds of stuff youknow of course i'm like hiding
from my mom or whatever it's notsomething i shared with her
until i was like older but ialways just wanted to be like
let it like to let my daughterknow like you're Girl, we
(53:20):
talk...
Hey, I'm the mom you can talkto about it.
Yeah.
And let me tell you some stuff.
We're going to figure out somethings, whatever this and that,
because I don't want you to feellike it's something that is
wrong.
And the bottom line...
If you're doing it and it's notfeeling good, then you're not
doing it right.
So let's work on what...
I'm going to say...
That's not for you.
(53:40):
I mean, you should do somethingthat's going to feel good, like
not doing it for...
It's not like a job.
I think about Color Purpose.
Remember, she was like, I justlay there and...
Right, right, right.
No, it's supposed to beenjoyable for all of us.
I can relate to that.
So it is, it's like, hey, let'stalk about it.
Let's figure it out.
And that is, that's what Zaynintroduced me to.
(54:02):
I do, I feel like, I'm like,it's for anybody who's like, who
has an open mind and just wantto, just escape for a little
bit.
Life is hard.
Let's escape into a little bitof fiction for a little bit
where all the men got big dicksand say the right things.
Right.
Not everybody wants a big dickeither, though.
Now we getting on really offtopic.
(54:22):
I do.
But, but No, I do.
Not everybody.
That's going to be Black GirlsLit After Dark.
We're going to do a specialnon-book related segment.
So are we going to do a litchallenge or no?
Or are we going to go aheadand...
Oh, we got to do a litchallenge.
On the wrap up of the show,we're doing a lit challenge.
So the lit challenge for thisweek is going to be sexy fortune
(54:48):
cookies.
So on the spot, because theydid not want to be prepped.
So on the spot, you each haveto give I'm opening up my sexy
fortune cookie.
And you each have to give whatis it going to say when I open
up my sexy fortune cookie?
What the hell?
I tried to pre-warn y'all, soy'all can be ready.
(55:09):
So, like, this is somethingthat's going to happen to you?
It's a fortune.
It's a fortune cookie.
You know how fortune be like,tell me next week this will
happen.
Just some wise words, if youwill.
Okay, well...
Okay, does somebody alreadyhave this?
Y'all ready to give us anexample because you told us what
it is.
Just like what some of you findin a fortune cookie?
(55:29):
We've all had a fortune cookiebefore, right?
Oh, okay.
So tell the viewers and thelisteners their sexy fortune.
That's what you're doing rightnow.
They're opening up their,they're opening up your sexy
fortune cookie.
I got it.
Go ahead, Lex.
Go Lex.
(55:50):
Okay, we're opening it up.
It's going to say, it is adelicate flower, not a DJ
turntable.
Come on.
Okay.
Namaste.
Namaste.
What's wrong with it being a DJturntable?
No.
No.
Okay, let's.
No.
Be gentle.
A delicate flower.
(56:12):
Oh, you're talking aboutsomething.
Oh.
Not a DJ turntable.
I got my, I got my, you openup.
Sis.
Sis.
You will go to heaven this weekif only you give the right
directions.
Come on.
Okay.
Okay.
Sometimes you got to tell them.
(56:32):
Don't be afraid to tell themwhat you need.
Okay.
Okay.
I like it.
It's okay to ride in reverse.
And with that...
And with that, until next time.
Next time, we'll be doing TheNightingale.
The author's name is...
Kristen Hanna.
The Nightingale.
The Nightingale by KristenHanna.
(56:54):
The Nightingale.
Until next time.
Get a refill.
We'll see you guys next time.
Alright, y'all.
Bye.
Thank you for listening to theBlack Girls Lit Podcast.
Join us for our next pour andour next page, The Nightingale
by Kristen Hanna.
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