December 30, 2025 • 25 mins
In this powerful Best Of episode, we revisit one of our most unforgettable yarns with proud Yuin and Thunghutti man, artist, creator, and community leader Nooky. Recorded live on the iHeart Podcast stage at SXSW Sydney, this conversation dives deep into his journey from growing up in Nowra to becoming a driving force in Australian music and culture.
Nooky shares honest reflections on resilience, healing, identity, and the strength found in family and community, while also speaking about the purpose behind his work, including We Are Warriors, and the importance of representation for the next generation.
This episode is a celebration of culture, pride, storytelling, and self-determination — a reminder of the power Blak excellence has to inspire change, unity, and hope.
Links & Resources:
- We are Warriors - https://www.wearewarriors.com.au/
- 3% - https://amnplify.com.au/first-nations-collective-3-nooky-dallas-woods-angus-field-share-new-single-video-wont-stop-feat-jessica-mauboy-ahead-of-debut-album-kill-the-dead/
- Blakout with Nooky - https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/blak-out
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Black cast, Unite our voices.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges the traditional owners of the
land we have recorded this episode on. We also acknowledge
traditional owners of the land where you, the listener or viewer,
are tuning in from.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
We would like to pay our respects to our.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Elders past and present and acknowledged that this always was
Aboriginal land and always will be Aboriginal land.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
You know, sometimes when you make these songs, it's like
the old follows are telling you, yeah, that's the one.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
You said what we wanted you to say.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
They heard the song, the presets, and they love what
we did with it, and they let us do it.
And because it is the first time they've let anyone
sample this stuff, it was a pretty big.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Deal in the industry and that's made it bit the noise.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandanara Bail.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
All right, eh, welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Thank you for taking time out of this amazing conference
to join myself and my guest, who you meet in
just a moment for a live broadcast of a podcast
that was a side hustle and is now the only
I think it's still the only indigenous podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Sign to the iHeart Network, so.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
That's one of my biggest raps is, Like you can
hear us on Virgin as well, So if you're flying Virgin,
make sure you listen to the Black Magic Woman. But
I'm here joining you from my mother's country, my mother's
mother and her mother and her mother, and at least
nine generations of my family have been in Redfern, on
(01:45):
Gadigle Country or the Block. So if you're from Sydney
and you've been here for a couple of generations, especially
if you are Corey or mob, the Block is a place.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
That I don't even need to tell you where it is.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I live in Queensland, I live on Cabbycabby Country, the
Sunshine Coast, anyone being Noosa, Richard or Melulaba, all of
those beautiful places, and it has never felt like home.
And for an Aboriginal woman from Redfern, I would say
that there's no place like Redfern. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I think the closest place now.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Michael Jackson said this, believe it or not, will be
Goldberg said this, and so did mc hammer. They said
that Redfern reminded them of where they grew up. So
I feel really privileged to say that, born and raised
on the block, this is my hometown and I literally
feel this sense of peace. We even settled even after
(02:46):
one year after the found referendum. So here I am
on beautiful Gadiger country and the language that was once
spoken here and still spoken by a few people, the
Darug language, we say worr me so worra me wan
gaddi nayo Bimbibila, Mandanara naya Gadigur nura. So what I'm
(03:08):
saying is I'm here on Gadigl country and my name
is Mondanara, and I've been trying to learn the language
that my ancestors once spoke.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I have a few.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Kind of questions that I want to jump straight into,
but in Aboriginal culture, who you are is much more
important than what you do, so human relationships come.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
First and that's kind of the format it.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
My culture has inspired me to do podcasting storytelling, but
it's inspired me to try and showcase as best as
I can to mainstream Australia.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Because this was in Lockdown that we launched this podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I wanted to showcase black excellence and my brother perfect
guest for this episode because in everything that you do
and the music that you write and with we are warriors.
What I kept picking up when I was doing my
research was black excellence. This podcast was born out of
(04:09):
a global pandemic where people felt more isolated than ever before,
and for black fellows to be isolated, it's an interesting feeling.
I've never ever felt that I was alone in my
own country, so spiritually, I've always felt that someone was
with me. So we have to remember that every day
(04:32):
we're walking in.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The footsteps of our ancestors.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
So I'm going to kind of draw on my old people,
because this is my country, my birthplace to get us
through this Yarn, and I'm going to try and keep
it lighthearted, even though we're going to talk about some
themes that may be.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
A little bit triggering.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Us wort to put it out there for people here
in the room and for people that are listening as well.
We've got a national hotline one three Yarn, twenty four hours,
seven days a week for mob to be able to
talk to someone hearing our experiences, our lived experiences as
black fellows. I talk about my life and who we
are and what we do every day, and I do
(05:13):
it with a smile on my face. I don't do
it for people's sympathy. So I'm a proud black woman
born and raised in Red Fern and everything that I
do it's kind of strength based and centering Black excellence.
So don't see us as First Nations peoples as victims.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
We're not victims. We're owners and runners of country.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So we have to remind ourselves as Australians that it
wasn't that long ago that we were running an entire country.
So on that note, what a good way to introduce you,
my brother.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I'm going to hand over.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
To my guests on the show, and if you've been
listening to Black Magic Women, you would know that I
don't introduce my guests, and I think it's probably best
that people can kind of talk about who they are,
where they come from, in their own words and also
on their own terms. So brother, Nookie, the microphone is
all yours solid.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Well, yeah, my name is Nookie.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I'm a ewn and Dunguttie breed, born and raised down
in Narra for my South coast family there, I belong
to the jeering Nge and the wild Bunga mob on
the youwing side. And yeah, my great grandmother's from a
little little place just outside Kemsy called Bellbrook Mission. Yeah,
Bellbrook Mission, Yeah, Yeah, that's where my great grandmother's from.
(06:31):
Say yeah, half my family from up there too, But yeah,
born and raised down down now and then you know, hearing.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
You talk about the block, it's yeah, there's a lot of.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Similarities, you know, that sense of community and family and
stuff like. And that's one thing I took from you
from down there. It was like when we grow up
in a place, like you know, you're always right, you
know what I mean. Everyone else might have this view
on the area and what it's like, but when you're
born there, you grow up there like you're right.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
So yeah, a lot a.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Lot of similarities between now and Redfern's. Actually when I
got kicked out of school for the first place I
went to, So yeah, seventeen years old, got kicked out
of school, and that auntie who lived on Little Levely
Street just up next to the station there, So yeah,
spent a lot of time there when well I left home.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, brother, this is one thing that we do as blackfellows, right,
Like this fella says, I'm from Nawah. My dad and
my grandmother were in radio and so Radio Redfern in
Cope Street was founded by my late grandmother Maureen Watson,
and she'll be on a Google dude or next month.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I can't tell anymos I signed an NDA with Google,
but she literally yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
In the nineteen seventies started a radio station and then
my dad went into media as well. And one of
my dad's best friends that he called his brother was
the late Uncle Bobby McLeod. So when I was fourteen,
this is a true story, we got our first birth certificates.
There are two hundred thousand Aboraginal Australians today that do
(08:02):
not have a birth certificate, that can't open a bank account,
that can't get a settling payment because they don't have
one hundred points ID, will never be able to travel
the world because they can't get a passport, something that
a lot of Australians take for granted. Anyhow, my mum
registered my birth in nineteen ninety six as a fourteen
(08:23):
year old and we're going over to ta Aka, New
Zealand with Uncle Bobby McLeod. So Uncle Bobby and his
whole dance troupe, the Dunwich Dancers invited my sisters and I,
as I used to be in an all female traditional
Abashal dance group, and we used to dance the dancers
of the Gumich people from Anahland. If you heard of
(08:45):
the late Mundaway or Gallery Nipingu, these are their dances
when we talk about the Guomich dancers. So Uncle Bobby
invited us to tour Oloa with the Dunach dancers for
six weeks. We got to actually Bobby a Cloud, young Bobby, Larry, Cecil, Andrew,
(09:07):
all the boys. And it's interesting being I grew up
in a family with all girls, eight sisters, no brothers,
and then we're on tour with all men. So that
was my introduction into hearing about now right. Yeah, and
then when I was reading you by, I'm like you
fellas he's.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Related Yeah, yeah, same mob.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah, so uncle Bobby there, I think his mom and
my great grandfather's first cousins. But yeah, well yeah, grew
up with all the boys, Uncle Andrew, Uncle Larry and
them like the older followers, you know, looked after us.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Taught us all out of dance.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
So Uncle Cecil in particular, like when I was in school,
it was hard for me, you know, So I used
to get in trouble a lot and me. Mum, she
kind of recognized that it wasn't working for me. It
wasn't the sort of environment that I thrived in. So
she went down to school one day and said, hey,
you know he's struggling a little bit. You know, things
(09:59):
ain't working out. Can his uncles come in and be
like his teacher's support people? And yeah, So I had
two uncles come in there with me, and it was
Uncle Richard Moore and Uncle Cecil And whenever I'd be
feeling angry or was marking up or whatever.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
They'd take me out of class and take me down
at the Oval and teach.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Me song and dance. And yeah, that that was mad.
That's kind of what got me through school, really really helped.
So it informed the bass that i'd carry now for
for music. It all started with them too, Yeah, take
me down and show me that, and then started off
with just me, and then all the other cous I
was there, they've seen it, and then they all started
coming and you know, it was kind of like the
(10:40):
next generation of Dunnage coming up from that.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, I was gonna say, because Uncle Bobby macloud, if
you don't know, I've never heard of him. He was
an amazing musician, amazing musician, and listening to talk about
rap about not just our struggles, but even those messages,
I can I can hear it. I was listening to
(11:03):
I hardly listen to music on planes. I work on
every plane, and this trip I decided just to listen,
and I was like, you know, when you're present and
you can actually really hear what kind of messages have been.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Related or spoken to you? I felt like you were
speaking to me.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Oh, I just want to say that you know, the
music that you've been creating and the hope to younger generations,
but the hope for blackfellows today in twenty twenty four,
I think we need to hear more kind of musicians
and just people in general spreading words or messages that
give people hope in a world where it feels like
(11:45):
there's it feels like there's no kind of light at
the end of the tunnel. So right now where I
am in my life, your music spoke to me and
it just felt like this was the right time to
have someone like you're on the podcast. So can you
tell me really quickly in terms of music, how did
you end up we're first getting signed by Sony.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Oh yeah, how did you end up.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Like from Narrah a kid that was in trouble at school?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, so then coming.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
To Redfern to now how many aris up for three
ARI Awards?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Four? Four?
Speaker 5 (12:20):
People tell us like how where?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
What?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yes, it's funny. It's a bit of a long yard
that one. But so how it happened.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
School was extremely hard for me and Narah. Like you
might have heard from Uncle Bobby back then, it was like.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
There was a lot of racism. It was there was
a lot of shit around.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Like the mayor of Nara at one time, Yeah, Nadock
week all weeks. He thought it was a good idea
to get the black Fallow flag and set it on fire.
Uncle Bobby wasn't too happy about that.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
He made him apology.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Guys always said he was going to burn down the
council house and Uncle Bobby probably.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Would have done it.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Uncle Bob was pretty staunch.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
So yeah, there was, you know, that old racist attitude.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
It kind of you know, I don't know, I don't
know if it's gone yet, you know, definitely bleeding out
slowly was probably parts of it. You know, I live
in Sydney now, so I can't talk too much on
what a slight down there anymore, but it was. It
was really hard for me, and I struggled a lot
at school. And I had a cousin who lived in Newcastle, right,
(13:36):
so he's living in the city and was exposed to
different things, like different opportunities and that.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
And I'd only see his fill for.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Holidays and he was like the cool big cousin I
used to try and be like. His name was Selwey,
and so if he was being good, then I'd be good.
If he was being bad, I'd be bad. And I
heard it y about him smashing the window at school dance.
So next school disco I go to, you know, I
smashed it.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
And then so he started rapping.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
And listening to him rap and tell his story, it
really opened my eyes to what's possible. And I was
because I didn't know we could do that. And I
remember hearing him rap for the first time. I said, oh,
cause we can do that and he goes yeah. So
he kind of set me on that journey with music.
And I was that tormenting little cousin. I always just
(14:30):
a tormenting the rap and you convinced him to make
me a little CD with beats on it one time,
and I usually carry this with me everywhere down always
listened to it.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
And I'm going through school.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I would have been the first in my family to
ever finish school, and that was like a big thing
for me.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I wanted to do that.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I wanted to be the first one to ever finish school.
I get the year twelve and yeah, I was rapping
a lot, just hanging out at the youth center making songs,
and I'll get the year twelve and for me HC
twelve project, right, I was.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I was at the end. I was almost done. I
thought for the.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Me final school project, I'd make a little album and
submit that. So I made a little CD a couple
of songs on it, and there was this song on
there called Subliminal Twist. What I did on this song
was I named all the redneck teachers in the school
without naming them right like, there was a there's a
(15:30):
teacher there named mister Hunt. It's a young black fellow
on the Hunt sick of men called a little black
that there was a price, I says, it's the price
of education, heartaches, racism, and discrimination. So yeah, I ended
in this CD and regular day at now a high school.
(15:52):
Corey Webster at the principal's office.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Yeah, it's Tuesday, let's go down, Go down. He's just
he's read. He's staring at me. I was like, oh, well,
what now? And I looked down and he's got my
CD on the table.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Slides it like this, and he goes, we refuse to
mark this. You sign yourself out now, or we're kicking
you out. I said, well, give me the papers, signed
myself out that day, had to go home face mom
and dad. I was a bit scared of that one,
and it all happened so fast. Kicked out that day,
(16:26):
go home, I guess what, kicked out of school.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
A couple of weeks after that, I packed my bags
and I left.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I left, now seventeen years old, went to NASDA for
a little bit on the Central coast. There, I was
back and forth between NASA and Redfern. Yeah, music became
my only option like that for me, I didn't know
what else to do. You know, it happened to get
me kicked out of school, but it also led me
on this journey that I'm onto now. So hanging out
(16:57):
in Redfern, you know you said before and see him
I Whoop Be, Michael Jackson, Snoop Dogg and that everyone
used to come there. One day, I was hanging out
at the community center where I'd go all the time
and just make music, and Black Eyed Peas rocked up
one day for a visit. So they came in and
(17:18):
we ended up having like a little freestyle session, and
at the end of it, the executive producer comes up
to me and said, oh, we like what you do.
How do you like to fly to l a work
on a song with Taboo? And I was like bullshit,
but yeah, sure enough, it.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Happened, actually happened on the block.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Yeah, so I owe that place a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah yeah, yeah, And then I couldn't find that on Google.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
That's on What's what's the old one?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
The MSN one got to go back to those that
yahoo that's him.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
So you went to the States, did you go?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah, went out there, recorded a song done like the
soft launch out there never officially got really east some
music industry as sometimes albums don't come out, so it
was going to be one of the first singles, but
the album it was on didn't end up coming out.
But we launched a song over there hit you know,
got spoken about on a few lists and stuff with
(18:18):
Kanye and Lil Wayne. I thought that was sick, but
never never, you know, eventuated, never came out.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
But yeah, it done a lot for me.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
When I came home, I thought I was going to
be famous, so I thought it'd be the first kid
l y but.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Kitd ler Roy was the first kill.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Nearly got it from yeah, yeah, and then yeah, so
I just came home, had to work hard, you know,
doing doing shows and building my reputation and my name up.
And then was doing that for a while, which led
to meeting Briggs and signed.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
The Bad Apples music there first.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
And was knocking around with Briggsy for a while and yeah, done,
done all that. Then went over to Triple J, started
the first Blackfellow show they got there, and then kicked
off three percent and done all that. And then yeah
for ARIA Awards now so hopefully get one and a
half of them.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Well it's actually the most in ARIA history of actually
first Nations nominations this year, big mob like.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
That's going to be a blackout.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
So when you go to an event and there's a
lot of Black Fellows and goes man this is a blackout.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah, that's your show that.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
You broadcast called Blackout on Sunday nights.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Yeah on Triple Jet.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah it was funny making and what are you going
to call it? I wouldn't call it blackout as waffle
as you know?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
What's that means? Does it means? Let's our party? Now?
Is where all you?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
You know?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
So? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And you play black music.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
The first song that I listened to recently was your
the Indian. Yeah, it was Treaty And I started to
think about this. Feller plays the same music that I
grew up listening to because my dad was the sea
of an Aberginal radio station that played Abashal music. But
what's interesting is my da in Queensland said, how do
(20:06):
we get.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Into the homes of white fullers?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
How do we get our voices, our stories into and
messages into mainstream Australian homes. So what he thought about
genius idea is we'll play country music.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
We'll play country music and we will bring a little
bit of Aboriginal music but more country.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
So copped a bit of slack from the Aboriginal community.
Because there's a radio station that was an Aboriginal radio
station playing majority country music, but it actually worked. A
lot of people that I've met have said that their
first introduction to abitional culture was through listening to my
dad on radio. So the power of music, you know,
(20:50):
I could see now with your journey of coming from
Naura and then you know, being signed now to Sony,
being able to work with people like not just Jessica Mowboy,
who we all love, but even the precept. Yeah, my
people can please share. I was is it the first
time that they've allowed someone to touch their song?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yes, And actually I spoke to him on the phone yesterday.
It was mad I got his number now.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Wat chat.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
But yeah, it was the.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
First time they've ever let anyone touch touch their music,
which is sick to do, but for me it was
It's funny like I've always been like a bit of
a dreamer. Hey, So that song come out when I
was a kid in Narra and I was just starting
to rap at this time, and I remember hearing this,
and you know, big part of rap music is sampling
and stuff, and I'm like, I'm walking around now listening
(21:43):
to this song. I'm like, one day I'm going to
touch this song. And I did attempt it once upon
a time, but it wasn't the right moment. Didn't try
to reach out to nothing happened with the song. I
just mucked around with it. And then you know, fast
forward years on. I was doing workshops at a juvie
(22:04):
out western Sydney there and you know, it's a revolving
door of that place, these young more in and out,
and this one day in particular, it was like a
new intake of young colors and these lads were young,
young I'm glad edies that ten year olds were there,
and seeing them come in, I was like, nah, that's
(22:26):
not you know, we all know what happens, but to
be there and see it, it's a different thing.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
And one little fellow I knew.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
And I'm like, ah, man, what are you doing in there?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Yeah? And it was it was.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I walked out of the spot that day feeling feeling
a bit heavy. And then so I jump in the
cars cruising home and I'll chuck on the radio and
all our hear is this stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
About Alice Springs.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
It added to the way to the point where it's like,
there's too much with me right now. I can't go
home because I'm gonna take that bat you home, I'll
go to the studio. Rang Angus and Dallas happened to
be in town for something. I was like, Lad's got
to meet me at the studio. I got a you
know something I got to say, and so yeah, I
went to the studio and I had our producer there
(23:17):
who we usually work with, and he goes, what are
we doing today? I said, Lad, load up the presets,
so we're going to sample that and turn it into
our thing.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
You know. That locked up with my people part and
we made the song.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
And you know, sometimes when you make these songs, it's
like the old follows are telling you, Yeah, that's the one.
You said what we wanted you to say, which is
exactly what happened in that moment. Jumped in the car
said that the boys, I said, this is how we
start this thing, and yeah, I released it. And then
they heard the song the presets and they love what
we did with it, and they let us do it.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
And it was again because it is the first time
they've let anyone sample this stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
It was a pretty big deal in the industry.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
And that so we made a bit of noise.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
People are.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Join us next week for Part two. Mandanara's yarn with Nookie.
So there was three awards that go out. There was
four or five of us left.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, made it to the final bit by this where
I get dusted. So it was Pharrell and Rihanna.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
They tied for.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
The gold one, and then there's me and Edge here
and left and then I ended up getting the bronze
one and then I have a laugh. That is bronze enough.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
He didn't need.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
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The Black Magic Woman podcast is produced by Clint Curtis.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
The
Black cast, Unite our voices.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges the traditional owners of the
land we have recorded this episode on. We also acknowledge
traditional owners of the land where you, the listener or viewer,
are tuning in from.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
We would like to pay our respects to our.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Elders past and present and acknowledged that this always was
Aboriginal land and always will be Aboriginal land.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
You know, sometimes when you make these songs, it's like
the old follows are telling you, yeah, that's the one.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
You said what we wanted you to say.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
They heard the song, the presets, and they love what
we did with it, and they let us do it.
And because it is the first time they've let anyone
sample this stuff, it was a pretty big.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Deal in the industry and that's made it bit the noise.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandanara Bail.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
All right, eh, welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Thank you for taking time out of this amazing conference
to join myself and my guest, who you meet in
just a moment for a live broadcast of a podcast
that was a side hustle and is now the only
I think it's still the only indigenous podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Sign to the iHeart Network, so.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
That's one of my biggest raps is, Like you can
hear us on Virgin as well, So if you're flying Virgin,
make sure you listen to the Black Magic Woman. But
I'm here joining you from my mother's country, my mother's
mother and her mother and her mother, and at least
nine generations of my family have been in Redfern, on
(01:45):
Gadigle Country or the Block. So if you're from Sydney
and you've been here for a couple of generations, especially
if you are Corey or mob, the Block is a place.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
That I don't even need to tell you where it is.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I live in Queensland, I live on Cabbycabby Country, the
Sunshine Coast, anyone being Noosa, Richard or Melulaba, all of
those beautiful places, and it has never felt like home.
And for an Aboriginal woman from Redfern, I would say
that there's no place like Redfern. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I think the closest place now.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Michael Jackson said this, believe it or not, will be
Goldberg said this, and so did mc hammer. They said
that Redfern reminded them of where they grew up. So
I feel really privileged to say that, born and raised
on the block, this is my hometown and I literally
feel this sense of peace. We even settled even after
(02:46):
one year after the found referendum. So here I am
on beautiful Gadiger country and the language that was once
spoken here and still spoken by a few people, the
Darug language, we say worr me so worra me wan
gaddi nayo Bimbibila, Mandanara naya Gadigur nura. So what I'm
(03:08):
saying is I'm here on Gadigl country and my name
is Mondanara, and I've been trying to learn the language
that my ancestors once spoke.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I have a few.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Kind of questions that I want to jump straight into,
but in Aboriginal culture, who you are is much more
important than what you do, so human relationships come.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
First and that's kind of the format it.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
My culture has inspired me to do podcasting storytelling, but
it's inspired me to try and showcase as best as
I can to mainstream Australia.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Because this was in Lockdown that we launched this podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I wanted to showcase black excellence and my brother perfect
guest for this episode because in everything that you do
and the music that you write and with we are warriors.
What I kept picking up when I was doing my
research was black excellence. This podcast was born out of
(04:09):
a global pandemic where people felt more isolated than ever before,
and for black fellows to be isolated, it's an interesting feeling.
I've never ever felt that I was alone in my
own country, so spiritually, I've always felt that someone was
with me. So we have to remember that every day
(04:32):
we're walking in.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The footsteps of our ancestors.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
So I'm going to kind of draw on my old people,
because this is my country, my birthplace to get us
through this Yarn, and I'm going to try and keep
it lighthearted, even though we're going to talk about some
themes that may be.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
A little bit triggering.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Us wort to put it out there for people here
in the room and for people that are listening as well.
We've got a national hotline one three Yarn, twenty four hours,
seven days a week for mob to be able to
talk to someone hearing our experiences, our lived experiences as
black fellows. I talk about my life and who we
are and what we do every day, and I do
(05:13):
it with a smile on my face. I don't do
it for people's sympathy. So I'm a proud black woman
born and raised in Red Fern and everything that I
do it's kind of strength based and centering Black excellence.
So don't see us as First Nations peoples as victims.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
We're not victims. We're owners and runners of country.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So we have to remind ourselves as Australians that it
wasn't that long ago that we were running an entire country.
So on that note, what a good way to introduce you,
my brother.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I'm going to hand over.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
To my guests on the show, and if you've been
listening to Black Magic Women, you would know that I
don't introduce my guests, and I think it's probably best
that people can kind of talk about who they are,
where they come from, in their own words and also
on their own terms. So brother, Nookie, the microphone is
all yours solid.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Well, yeah, my name is Nookie.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I'm a ewn and Dunguttie breed, born and raised down
in Narra for my South coast family there, I belong
to the jeering Nge and the wild Bunga mob on
the youwing side. And yeah, my great grandmother's from a
little little place just outside Kemsy called Bellbrook Mission. Yeah,
Bellbrook Mission, Yeah, Yeah, that's where my great grandmother's from.
(06:31):
Say yeah, half my family from up there too, But yeah,
born and raised down down now and then you know, hearing.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
You talk about the block, it's yeah, there's a lot of.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Similarities, you know, that sense of community and family and
stuff like. And that's one thing I took from you
from down there. It was like when we grow up
in a place, like you know, you're always right, you
know what I mean. Everyone else might have this view
on the area and what it's like, but when you're
born there, you grow up there like you're right.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
So yeah, a lot a.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Lot of similarities between now and Redfern's. Actually when I
got kicked out of school for the first place I
went to, So yeah, seventeen years old, got kicked out
of school, and that auntie who lived on Little Levely
Street just up next to the station there, So yeah,
spent a lot of time there when well I left home.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, brother, this is one thing that we do as blackfellows, right,
Like this fella says, I'm from Nawah. My dad and
my grandmother were in radio and so Radio Redfern in
Cope Street was founded by my late grandmother Maureen Watson,
and she'll be on a Google dude or next month.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I can't tell anymos I signed an NDA with Google,
but she literally yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
In the nineteen seventies started a radio station and then
my dad went into media as well. And one of
my dad's best friends that he called his brother was
the late Uncle Bobby McLeod. So when I was fourteen,
this is a true story, we got our first birth certificates.
There are two hundred thousand Aboraginal Australians today that do
(08:02):
not have a birth certificate, that can't open a bank account,
that can't get a settling payment because they don't have
one hundred points ID, will never be able to travel
the world because they can't get a passport, something that
a lot of Australians take for granted. Anyhow, my mum
registered my birth in nineteen ninety six as a fourteen
(08:23):
year old and we're going over to ta Aka, New
Zealand with Uncle Bobby McLeod. So Uncle Bobby and his
whole dance troupe, the Dunwich Dancers invited my sisters and I,
as I used to be in an all female traditional
Abashal dance group, and we used to dance the dancers
of the Gumich people from Anahland. If you heard of
(08:45):
the late Mundaway or Gallery Nipingu, these are their dances
when we talk about the Guomich dancers. So Uncle Bobby
invited us to tour Oloa with the Dunach dancers for
six weeks. We got to actually Bobby a Cloud, young Bobby, Larry, Cecil, Andrew,
(09:07):
all the boys. And it's interesting being I grew up
in a family with all girls, eight sisters, no brothers,
and then we're on tour with all men. So that
was my introduction into hearing about now right. Yeah, and
then when I was reading you by, I'm like you
fellas he's.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Related Yeah, yeah, same mob.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah, so uncle Bobby there, I think his mom and
my great grandfather's first cousins. But yeah, well yeah, grew
up with all the boys, Uncle Andrew, Uncle Larry and
them like the older followers, you know, looked after us.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Taught us all out of dance.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
So Uncle Cecil in particular, like when I was in school,
it was hard for me, you know, So I used
to get in trouble a lot and me. Mum, she
kind of recognized that it wasn't working for me. It
wasn't the sort of environment that I thrived in. So
she went down to school one day and said, hey,
you know he's struggling a little bit. You know, things
(09:59):
ain't working out. Can his uncles come in and be
like his teacher's support people? And yeah, So I had
two uncles come in there with me, and it was
Uncle Richard Moore and Uncle Cecil And whenever I'd be
feeling angry or was marking up or whatever.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
They'd take me out of class and take me down
at the Oval and teach.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Me song and dance. And yeah, that that was mad.
That's kind of what got me through school, really really helped.
So it informed the bass that i'd carry now for
for music. It all started with them too, Yeah, take
me down and show me that, and then started off
with just me, and then all the other cous I
was there, they've seen it, and then they all started
coming and you know, it was kind of like the
(10:40):
next generation of Dunnage coming up from that.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, I was gonna say, because Uncle Bobby macloud, if
you don't know, I've never heard of him. He was
an amazing musician, amazing musician, and listening to talk about
rap about not just our struggles, but even those messages,
I can I can hear it. I was listening to
(11:03):
I hardly listen to music on planes. I work on
every plane, and this trip I decided just to listen,
and I was like, you know, when you're present and
you can actually really hear what kind of messages have been.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Related or spoken to you? I felt like you were
speaking to me.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Oh, I just want to say that you know, the
music that you've been creating and the hope to younger generations,
but the hope for blackfellows today in twenty twenty four,
I think we need to hear more kind of musicians
and just people in general spreading words or messages that
give people hope in a world where it feels like
(11:45):
there's it feels like there's no kind of light at
the end of the tunnel. So right now where I
am in my life, your music spoke to me and
it just felt like this was the right time to
have someone like you're on the podcast. So can you
tell me really quickly in terms of music, how did
you end up we're first getting signed by Sony.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Oh yeah, how did you end up.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Like from Narrah a kid that was in trouble at school?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, so then coming.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
To Redfern to now how many aris up for three
ARI Awards?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Four? Four?
Speaker 5 (12:20):
People tell us like how where?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
What?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yes, it's funny. It's a bit of a long yard
that one. But so how it happened.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
School was extremely hard for me and Narah. Like you
might have heard from Uncle Bobby back then, it was like.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
There was a lot of racism. It was there was
a lot of shit around.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Like the mayor of Nara at one time, Yeah, Nadock
week all weeks. He thought it was a good idea
to get the black Fallow flag and set it on fire.
Uncle Bobby wasn't too happy about that.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
He made him apology.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Guys always said he was going to burn down the
council house and Uncle Bobby probably.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Would have done it.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Uncle Bob was pretty staunch.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
So yeah, there was, you know, that old racist attitude.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
It kind of you know, I don't know, I don't
know if it's gone yet, you know, definitely bleeding out
slowly was probably parts of it. You know, I live
in Sydney now, so I can't talk too much on
what a slight down there anymore, but it was. It
was really hard for me, and I struggled a lot
at school. And I had a cousin who lived in Newcastle, right,
(13:36):
so he's living in the city and was exposed to
different things, like different opportunities and that.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
And I'd only see his fill for.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Holidays and he was like the cool big cousin I
used to try and be like. His name was Selwey,
and so if he was being good, then I'd be good.
If he was being bad, I'd be bad. And I
heard it y about him smashing the window at school dance.
So next school disco I go to, you know, I
smashed it.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
And then so he started rapping.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
And listening to him rap and tell his story, it
really opened my eyes to what's possible. And I was
because I didn't know we could do that. And I
remember hearing him rap for the first time. I said, oh,
cause we can do that and he goes yeah. So
he kind of set me on that journey with music.
And I was that tormenting little cousin. I always just
(14:30):
a tormenting the rap and you convinced him to make
me a little CD with beats on it one time,
and I usually carry this with me everywhere down always
listened to it.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
And I'm going through school.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I would have been the first in my family to
ever finish school, and that was like a big thing
for me.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I wanted to do that.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I wanted to be the first one to ever finish school.
I get the year twelve and yeah, I was rapping
a lot, just hanging out at the youth center making songs,
and I'll get the year twelve and for me HC
twelve project, right, I was.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I was at the end. I was almost done. I
thought for the.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Me final school project, I'd make a little album and
submit that. So I made a little CD a couple
of songs on it, and there was this song on
there called Subliminal Twist. What I did on this song
was I named all the redneck teachers in the school
without naming them right like, there was a there's a
(15:30):
teacher there named mister Hunt. It's a young black fellow
on the Hunt sick of men called a little black
that there was a price, I says, it's the price
of education, heartaches, racism, and discrimination. So yeah, I ended
in this CD and regular day at now a high school.
(15:52):
Corey Webster at the principal's office.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Yeah, it's Tuesday, let's go down, Go down. He's just
he's read. He's staring at me. I was like, oh, well,
what now? And I looked down and he's got my
CD on the table.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Slides it like this, and he goes, we refuse to
mark this. You sign yourself out now, or we're kicking
you out. I said, well, give me the papers, signed
myself out that day, had to go home face mom
and dad. I was a bit scared of that one,
and it all happened so fast. Kicked out that day,
(16:26):
go home, I guess what, kicked out of school.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
A couple of weeks after that, I packed my bags
and I left.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I left, now seventeen years old, went to NASDA for
a little bit on the Central coast. There, I was
back and forth between NASA and Redfern. Yeah, music became
my only option like that for me, I didn't know
what else to do. You know, it happened to get
me kicked out of school, but it also led me
on this journey that I'm onto now. So hanging out
(16:57):
in Redfern, you know you said before and see him
I Whoop Be, Michael Jackson, Snoop Dogg and that everyone
used to come there. One day, I was hanging out
at the community center where I'd go all the time
and just make music, and Black Eyed Peas rocked up
one day for a visit. So they came in and
(17:18):
we ended up having like a little freestyle session, and
at the end of it, the executive producer comes up
to me and said, oh, we like what you do.
How do you like to fly to l a work
on a song with Taboo? And I was like bullshit,
but yeah, sure enough, it.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Happened, actually happened on the block.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Yeah, so I owe that place a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah yeah, yeah, And then I couldn't find that on Google.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
That's on What's what's the old one?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
The MSN one got to go back to those that
yahoo that's him.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
So you went to the States, did you go?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah, went out there, recorded a song done like the
soft launch out there never officially got really east some
music industry as sometimes albums don't come out, so it
was going to be one of the first singles, but
the album it was on didn't end up coming out.
But we launched a song over there hit you know,
got spoken about on a few lists and stuff with
(18:18):
Kanye and Lil Wayne. I thought that was sick, but
never never, you know, eventuated, never came out.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
But yeah, it done a lot for me.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
When I came home, I thought I was going to
be famous, so I thought it'd be the first kid
l y but.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Kitd ler Roy was the first kill.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Nearly got it from yeah, yeah, and then yeah, so
I just came home, had to work hard, you know,
doing doing shows and building my reputation and my name up.
And then was doing that for a while, which led
to meeting Briggs and signed.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
The Bad Apples music there first.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
And was knocking around with Briggsy for a while and yeah, done,
done all that. Then went over to Triple J, started
the first Blackfellow show they got there, and then kicked
off three percent and done all that. And then yeah
for ARIA Awards now so hopefully get one and a
half of them.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Well it's actually the most in ARIA history of actually
first Nations nominations this year, big mob like.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
That's going to be a blackout.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
So when you go to an event and there's a
lot of Black Fellows and goes man this is a blackout.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah, that's your show that.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
You broadcast called Blackout on Sunday nights.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Yeah on Triple Jet.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah it was funny making and what are you going
to call it? I wouldn't call it blackout as waffle
as you know?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
What's that means? Does it means? Let's our party? Now?
Is where all you?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
You know?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
So? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And you play black music.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
The first song that I listened to recently was your
the Indian. Yeah, it was Treaty And I started to
think about this. Feller plays the same music that I
grew up listening to because my dad was the sea
of an Aberginal radio station that played Abashal music. But
what's interesting is my da in Queensland said, how do
(20:06):
we get.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Into the homes of white fullers?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
How do we get our voices, our stories into and
messages into mainstream Australian homes. So what he thought about
genius idea is we'll play country music.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
We'll play country music and we will bring a little
bit of Aboriginal music but more country.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
So copped a bit of slack from the Aboriginal community.
Because there's a radio station that was an Aboriginal radio
station playing majority country music, but it actually worked. A
lot of people that I've met have said that their
first introduction to abitional culture was through listening to my
dad on radio. So the power of music, you know,
(20:50):
I could see now with your journey of coming from
Naura and then you know, being signed now to Sony,
being able to work with people like not just Jessica Mowboy,
who we all love, but even the precept. Yeah, my
people can please share. I was is it the first
time that they've allowed someone to touch their song?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yes, And actually I spoke to him on the phone yesterday.
It was mad I got his number now.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Wat chat.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
But yeah, it was the.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
First time they've ever let anyone touch touch their music,
which is sick to do, but for me it was
It's funny like I've always been like a bit of
a dreamer. Hey, So that song come out when I
was a kid in Narra and I was just starting
to rap at this time, and I remember hearing this,
and you know, big part of rap music is sampling
and stuff, and I'm like, I'm walking around now listening
(21:43):
to this song. I'm like, one day I'm going to
touch this song. And I did attempt it once upon
a time, but it wasn't the right moment. Didn't try
to reach out to nothing happened with the song. I
just mucked around with it. And then you know, fast
forward years on. I was doing workshops at a juvie
(22:04):
out western Sydney there and you know, it's a revolving
door of that place, these young more in and out,
and this one day in particular, it was like a
new intake of young colors and these lads were young,
young I'm glad edies that ten year olds were there,
and seeing them come in, I was like, nah, that's
(22:26):
not you know, we all know what happens, but to
be there and see it, it's a different thing.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
And one little fellow I knew.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
And I'm like, ah, man, what are you doing in there?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Yeah? And it was it was.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I walked out of the spot that day feeling feeling
a bit heavy. And then so I jump in the
cars cruising home and I'll chuck on the radio and
all our hear is this stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
About Alice Springs.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
It added to the way to the point where it's like,
there's too much with me right now. I can't go
home because I'm gonna take that bat you home, I'll
go to the studio. Rang Angus and Dallas happened to
be in town for something. I was like, Lad's got
to meet me at the studio. I got a you
know something I got to say, and so yeah, I
went to the studio and I had our producer there
(23:17):
who we usually work with, and he goes, what are
we doing today? I said, Lad, load up the presets,
so we're going to sample that and turn it into
our thing.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
You know. That locked up with my people part and
we made the song.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
And you know, sometimes when you make these songs, it's
like the old follows are telling you, Yeah, that's the one.
You said what we wanted you to say, which is
exactly what happened in that moment. Jumped in the car
said that the boys, I said, this is how we
start this thing, and yeah, I released it. And then
they heard the song the presets and they love what
we did with it, and they let us do it.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
And it was again because it is the first time
they've let anyone sample this stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
It was a pretty big deal in the industry.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
And that so we made a bit of noise.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
People are.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Join us next week for Part two. Mandanara's yarn with Nookie.
So there was three awards that go out. There was
four or five of us left.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, made it to the final bit by this where
I get dusted. So it was Pharrell and Rihanna.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
They tied for.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
The gold one, and then there's me and Edge here
and left and then I ended up getting the bronze
one and then I have a laugh. That is bronze enough.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
He didn't need.
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