July 31, 2024 • 40 mins
This episode is proudly brought to you by ANZ. A new series of conversations with different mob around the country to yarn about, meaningful career opportunities within ANZ, building the capacity of Indigenous businesses and organisations, and helping individuals in the broader community to achieve financial wellbeing and resilience.
If you’d like to know more about how ANZ can help improve your financial wellbeing, or help you start, run or grow your business, visit anz.com or call 13 13 14.
Each year, ANZ hosts a NAIDOC Week Indigenous Business Marketplace at its Docklands Headquarters, working with Supply Nation and Kinaway to invite Indigenous-owned businesses to showcase their goods and services to ANZ staff and visitors.
This year I had the absolute pleasure of joining this special event to invite some of these business owners onto the show to share a little about who they are and what they do.
Listen to this episode to hear inspiring stories:
Sharon Brindley https://www.jalajalatreats.com.au/
The name Jala Jala means ‘very good’ in Wajarri Language and the Turtle logo is Sharon’s family totem, these two components represent exactly what Jala Jala Treats is, a family business manufacturing premium products to bring people together.
Josh Deane – https://www.byjoshdeane.com/
Emerging Palawa artist from the Kabi Kabi lands on the Sunshine Coast, has called Naarm/Melbourne home for the past 10 years. Inspired by Australia’s biodiversity, his work encompasses various mediums and immersive experiences.
Mick Harding, Ngarga Warendj – https://ngargawarendj.com/
Belonging to the Yowong-Illam-Baluk and Nattarak Baluk clans of the Taungurung people, Mick Harding is an artist specialising in wood working, sculpture, printmaking and giftwares.
Emma Bamblett, Kinya Lerrk – https://kinyalerrk.com.au/
KINYA LERRK (Wemba Wemba for ‘women coming together’) is the collaboration of Aboriginal visual artists Emma Bamblett (Wemba Wemba, Gunditjmara, Ngadjonji and Taungurung) and Megan Van Den Berg (Dja Dja Wurrung, Yorta Yorta and Boon Wurrung) who have a strong history of collaboration on design/arts based projects. Kinya Lerrk focuses on using design and art to make homes and offices come alive with colourful designs which celebrate Aboriginal culture and respectfully acknowledge traditional owners of land.
Chana Orloff, Amorettam – https://amorettam.com.au/
A proud Yorta Yorta and Indian woman living on country in Victoria. amorettam (amor-ett-am) was created after the significant deaths of my mother and son, and I memorialise and honour them by incorporating their names within amorettam. A 100% Aboriginal—owned business committed to producing natural organic beauty products. Our ranges are vegan and cruelty free, with a strong focus on environmental impacts.
Teena Oudy, Loco for Cocoa – https://locoforcocoamelbourne.myshopify.com/
A family owned and run brand making decadent and premium quality chocolates from unique ingredient matches.
Sara Stuart, Dreamtime – https://dreamtimerange.com.au/
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Mundanara Bayles (00:04):
Black Magic Woman podcast acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the
land we have recorded this episode on. We also acknowledge
Traditional Owners of the land where you, the listener or
viewer, are tuning in from. We would like to pay
our respects to our elders, past and present, and acknowledge
that this always was Aboriginal land and always will be
(00:24):
Aboriginal land.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
This episode is proudly brought to you by ANZ. A
new series of conversations with different mob around the country,
to yarn about meaningful career opportunities within ANZ, building the
capacity of Indigenous businesses and organizations, and helping individuals in
the broader community to achieve financial wellbeing and resilience.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Welcome to the Black Magic Woman podcast with Mundanara Bayles.
Mundanara Bayles (01:04):
Welcome, you mob, to another deadly episode of the Black Magic Woman podcast. I am your host, Mundanara Bayles, and this is an
episode like no other. We're going to literally talk all
things Black business, entrepreneurship, by actually talking to Black business
owners themself. Each year, ANZ host an Indigenous Business Marketplace
(01:24):
to celebrate NAIDOC Week. Supported by Kinaway and Supply Nation,
there are First Nations businesses that get to showcase their
products, their services, in the actual foyer in ANZ's headquarters
here on beautiful Wurundjeri country in Kulin, AKA, in Melbourne.
I got to speak to some deadly up- and- coming
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and also people that have been doing this for 20
years in terms of business, the hustle. I got to
speak to Josh Deane. And Josh is an artist, a
nurse, fashion designer, I think he's a tiler or a
chippy as well. And he's done some amazing murals here
in Melbourne and also grew up on Kabi Kabi country, so I
(02:09):
got to connect with him. And I got to hear from
my sister, Sara Stuart, about a new business venture that
she literally just launched this week here in NAIDOC week.
Then I was able to yarn with an old uncle, Uncle
Mick. Uncle Mick's got this amazing business where I was
looking at coffee cups and chopping boards and engravings and
(02:30):
burnings. Look, I'm not going to give too much more
away. That's just a few of the amazing people that
you're now going to hear about on this amazing ANZ
episode. Hope you enjoy. I'm here today to showcase some
amazing Black business owners that are here at the ANZ
Docklands headquarters. So my sister, first on the couch, thank
(02:53):
you very much for joining me on the show today.
And if you don't mind, can you introduce yourself, tell
our listeners, and also viewers on YouTube, your name, your
mob, and a little bit about where you grew up.
Emma Bamblett (03:06):
Yep. So my name's Emma Bamblett. My mobs are, on
both my mom and dad's side, my kinship connections, Wemba-
Wemba, Gunditjmara, Narrogin and Taungurung. I am currently living in Naarm
for over the last 22 years. Originally from Echuca on the Murray
River, born and raised on beautiful Yorta Yorta country. And I
(03:29):
live in Naarm with my four children, and I've got two beautiful
little granddaughters. And yeah, very lucky to be connected to
the Bambletts through hubby, through Ralphie. And I'm here today to
represent Kinya Lerrk, which means Women Coming Together, our small business.
Myself and co- owner, Megan Van Den Berg, we're five
years now, celebrating this year five years (inaudible) .
Mundanara Bayles (03:50):
Congratulations.
Emma Bamblett (03:51):
Thank you.
Mundanara Bayles (03:52):
So sis, tell us, I had an opportunity to come
over to the store. And Kurrek, the first thing I did was
have a look and see what is it that youse
got going on over there, I noticed that this spray,
it was the first scent that you kind of said, "
Smell this, sis." So tell us about some of the
products that you're selling today.
Emma Bamblett (04:12):
So during lockdown, Megan and I brought out our Back
to Country range. So for mob it was really hard
living in Melbourne that time when we could only go
five kilometers out of the house. And it was hard for
mob that were wanting to go back to country, to
recharge battery, for sorry business, that we couldn't, so we
(04:33):
brought out a Back to Country range. So after the
Back to Country range we brought out Kurrek, which means
country land sand in Wemba-Wemba. And it's a beautiful scent
to take you back to the smell of sand, so
the base scents are patchouli, sandalwood and vanilla, and-
Mundanara Bayles (04:51):
I can smell the sandalwood. That was my mother's favorite scent.
Emma Bamblett (04:55):
Oh, nice.
Mundanara Bayles (04:55):
It's probably why... I didn't know that it was in there,
you rattled off all these things and I was so caught up
in the store. So sandalwood?
Emma Bamblett (05:02):
Is that connection to that scent of being back on
country. And it's one of our most popular products that
we sell is the room spray. So you can spray it
on your linen, I spray it in the car. And
also we've got a candle, diffuser, hand and body wash
in that range.
Mundanara Bayles (05:22):
And I saw some books, note pads. I saw, was
it drink bottles? And there's a whole lot of things
over there.
Emma Bamblett (05:29):
So we really... the start of the business in 2019 was originally
we wanted all our schools to have acknowledgement to country
plaques. So that's the core of the business. We started
off with five online ranges. So they're matt metal plaques
that you put up in schools or workplaces or homes.
And from there we grew onto the candles online.
Mundanara Bayles (05:52):
This is Covid lockdown?
Emma Bamblett (05:54):
Covid lockdown.
Mundanara Bayles (05:55):
This is a really good example of pivoting your whole business
model. Starting with acknowledgement of country, seeing that there was
a need and probably a big gap there in the
market as well, and then coming out with these sprays
and candles and diffusers and soaps and moisturizers. Sis, has
it been easy to be able to now sustain this
(06:16):
new kind of, well not business model, but you've kind of
taken another direction?
Emma Bamblett (06:24):
Yep, definitely.
Mundanara Bayles (06:25):
But you incorporate everything now under one brand.
Emma Bamblett (06:27):
Yeah, definitely. After lockdown we had a think and I
come up with these crazy ideas and yarned with Megan and say, "
Oh, what do you reckon we open up a shop, where
it's a beautiful space, we can showcase our products, but
also all the beautiful small businesses that came out of
Covid?" And our people are very clever at making beautiful weaving,
(06:48):
jewelry, scarves. We've got wood burners. Down to opening up
the shop to... we've got over 80 small businesses that
we showcase now within the shop. So that was a
kind of after- Covid moment, where we wanted to try
that. And also have a space where we could offer
workshops. So we're both artists, both different artists. Now we've
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got a space at the back where we can have
weavers come in.
Mundanara Bayles (07:13):
Art workshops, weaving.
Emma Bamblett (07:14):
Yep, healing spaces.
Mundanara Bayles (07:15):
And this is open to the general public or who's
your customers? Who comes in those doors?
Emma Bamblett (07:22):
So community always come in. We have ally friendly products
there. Our workshops are targeted at mob only. For example,
last night we had collaborated with VACCA, we do art
mentoring programs, so it ranges from 12 to 24. We'll
have different artists, who we showcase in the store, come
in every fortnight and talk about their small business and
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also get the kids to have a hands- on experience, and later on hopefully
they pick up the-
Mundanara Bayles (07:49):
Well, this is how do you plant those seeds now? And you're doing
it? Too deadly, my (foreign language) . So how do people
find you?
Emma Bamblett (07:55):
So yeah, come and visit us. We're at 134 High
Street, Preston, that's the northern suburbs of Melbourne. We open
Wednesday to Sunday, 11 to 3
we're also online. So majority of our stock are online,
but if not, you can just contact us through the
website and we can arrange to get products out to
you. We also have gotten in... so this is another
(08:18):
kind of change in the environment... our hampers now. So
a lot of places are coming to us to make beautiful
custom hampers that we then showcase a lot of small
businesses within those hampers.
Mundanara Bayles (08:30):
Sis, like too deadly. Just to go over there and see
this little table with a few little things and then to
actually hear the backstory. I'm pretty sure a lot of
the mob that are listening or watching will be... if
you're in the area, drop in. I'll definitely drop by
the shop next time I'm here.
Emma Bamblett (08:47):
Definitely.
Mundanara Bayles (08:48):
So thank you so much for jumping on the podcast
and can't wait to come catch up with youse and
hopefully do one of the workshops. So for mob only,
what a deadly. And how deadly is it to actually go to an event
where there's mob and if you get inspired you might
come out with your own little products?
Emma Bamblett (09:05):
Yeah, definitely.
Mundanara Bayles (09:06):
All good. Well, enjoy the rest of the day here. And
thanks again for jumping on.
Emma Bamblett (09:09):
Thanks. Thank you.
Mundanara Bayles (09:10):
Too deadly. I'm so excited to introduce you to my listeners and also our viewers
on YouTube. I've got Uncle Mick sitting on the couch
here. I'm going to hand over to you, uncle, to
introduce yourself. Tell our listeners who your mob is, a little bit about where
you grew up and why you're here at this deadly
Indigenous business marketplace at ANZ today?
Uncle Mick (09:33):
Well, I might start by saying, (foreign language) , which means hello to everyone in my
language, the Daung Wurrung or Taungurung, one of the five language
groups of the Kulin. This has been a long journey
for me, this whole business, which started off as a
sole trader, or just, really, as a bit of a
(09:54):
hobby to start off with. It started back in the
2006 Com Games. A little program within one of the
departments of government now called the Koorie Business Network, they did
a series of workshops for all us, sort of little
hobby want- to- be businesses, and just to help us
with some basic business skills. And then at the end
(10:19):
of that I took off around Victoria to sell my
wares and came home with five grand and that was
the start of it.
Mundanara Bayles (10:27):
This is a sign of success and look where you are today.
Uncle Mick (10:30):
Yeah, yeah. So we're nearly 20 years later.
Mundanara Bayles (10:32):
20 years later.
Uncle Mick (10:34):
And we've developed.
Mundanara Bayles (10:35):
Like beautiful, actually really beautiful, great quality products, from coffee,
tea. I literally could not wait to show people. And
for people that are listening, you need to get over
to the YouTube channel so you can actually see these
beautiful pieces from Uncle Mick. What is the actual business called?
Uncle Mick (10:54):
Ngarga Warendj, which means Dancing Wombat, or as I like
to say, in today's world, twerking wombat.
Mundanara Bayles (11:02):
Twerking wombat. And Uncle Mick, how do people find you?
Uncle Mick (11:06):
We've got a website, we sell at all different kinds
of retailers. In fact, we sell at the Koorie Heritage Trust
in Sydney. We sell it at Welcome to Country, just
a host of different retailers. Uluru, we sell it at Uluru.
Mundanara Bayles (11:22):
So you're everywhere. You're actually getting your stuff out all over
the country?
Uncle Mick (11:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mundanara Bayles (11:27):
And now on this podcast, people are able to hear
about other Black businesses, especially here in Victoria that might
not be known outside of this state. So, Uncle Mick, I just
want to say thank you.
Uncle Mick (11:36):
No worries.
Mundanara Bayles (11:38):
I know you're getting busy over there. You better get
back to that store.
Uncle Mick (11:41):
No worries.
Mundanara Bayles (11:41):
But to all our listeners and viewers, in the show notes, we'll make sure
that the websites are there so you can go and actually support
some of our local Black businesses, especially here in Victoria.
Too deadly, uncle.
Uncle Mick (11:52):
Happy NAIDOC Week, everyone.
Mundanara Bayles (11:54):
Keep up the good work.
Uncle Mick (11:55):
Cheers.
Mundanara Bayles (11:56):
Thank you. I've got another deadly Black sister on the
couch to yarn with us about her deadly little store.
My sister, why don't you introduce yourself and tell our
listeners, and also our viewers on YouTube, your name, your mob,
and what brought you here to ANZ's Indigenous Business Marketplace
(12:16):
here in NAIDOC Week in beautiful Naarm?
Sharon Brindley (12:21):
Hello. How are you, sis? So my name's Sharon Brindley. So
I'm a Yamatji Noongar woman, and my company is Jala Jala Treats.
So Jala Jala meaning very good in my Yamatji language. And
the turtle, our totem, that's our family totem, the green
sea turtle. I guess what brought me here is I've
worked with Simon on and off with ANZ for a number
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of years now. This is our fifth year this year. And it's a
good way for me coming up from the Peninsula to
be able to be in the center of town, so
all the big, big businesses from around Melbourne can come
in and support us.
Mundanara Bayles (12:57):
And it's such an amazing opportunity to showcase some of
the smaller businesses that I've never heard of. But since
I've seen you, I've been watching you, I've been following
your journey for a couple of years now. Jala Jala Treats
has won a few awards and first you started off with chocolate?
Sharon Brindley (13:15):
Yes.
Mundanara Bayles (13:16):
And now I just went and bought some Wellbeing Tea.
This is exactly what I need right now. And I can
save my money that I spend at T2 and get
online now and get my tea from you.
Sharon Brindley (13:28):
You can indeed.
Mundanara Bayles (13:29):
So you've got a new customer.
Sharon Brindley (13:30):
Yes. Thank you. And we've also just started bringing out
our own little bush in that range as well.
Mundanara Bayles (13:36):
I see lemon myrtle a lot these days. Can you
tell us some of the uses?
Sharon Brindley (13:42):
Lemon myrtle's great to go into tea, but it's great
for relaxation and calming. So I've got a few plants
growing, which are probably not the right country for it
where I'm on Bunurong country at my house at least.
But I need to have those trees around me to
be able to just go out there and get a
leaf and put in a cuppa when I need to
just chill. So it's great for that. But it's also
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one that's great to sort of start with for non-
Indigenous people to start the journey and then you start
getting them onto the quandong, which is on my country.
So I'm looking at putting the quandong into my chocolate
sort of as we progress.
Mundanara Bayles (14:21):
And quandong is the native peach, basically?
Sharon Brindley (14:23):
Yes. So that's what my aunties or my mum grew
up on, so being able to go out and pick
them. And then I'm going to look even into the
bush tomatoes and starting to put that into product as well.
Mundanara Bayles (14:33):
Yeah. 'Cause then you got savory?
Sharon Brindley (14:35):
Yeah.
Mundanara Bayles (14:35):
Excellent.
Sharon Brindley (14:36):
And mixing with the chocolate. So maybe a bit of
bush tomato and chili.
Mundanara Bayles (14:38):
Ooh, I like the chili. So sis, how can people find you, is it as simple
as getting onto Instagram or... ?
Sharon Brindley (14:45):
Yeah, so with socials it's just Jala Jala Treats. So look
us up for our website I'm on. What am I on?
Mundanara Bayles (14:53):
Everything.
Sharon Brindley (14:53):
I'm on Facebook. Yeah, I'm on everything. So Facebook, Instagram. Instagram
seems to be the one for the younger generation. But
get on there and support. And look, hey, I'm also
free if you want to reach out and just to
double check on a business. We all know each other
within this economy, and so just double check to make
sure that you're supporting the right business. And that way
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we can thrive. In my lifetime, we need to be
higher than 2%.
Mundanara Bayles (15:18):
Yeah, I love it. So important that we're actually not
just saying, " Hey, come and buy some tea." We're letting
people know that most people that are actually financially benefiting
are non- Aboriginal people. So let's try and change that
in our lifetime. Well, sis, I'll let you get back
to your store.
Sharon Brindley (15:36):
Thank you.
Mundanara Bayles (15:36):
Happy NAIDOC Week and it's been an absolute pleasure to finally have
a yarn with you here on the podcast.
Sharon Brindley (15:41):
Yeah, you too, sis.
Mundanara Bayles (15:42):
Too deadly.
Sharon Brindley (15:42):
Thank you.
Mundanara Bayles (15:42):
Thank you. I've got another amazing, deadly Black business owner here on the
couch. I want to hand the mic over to you,
my sister, to introduce yourself. So can you please tell
our listeners just your name, your mob, and what brought you here
(16:03):
to the ANZ Indigenous Business NAIDOC Marketplace?
Chana (16:08):
Thanks for having me. Chana, and the business name's Amorettam.
So my journey started in 2021. But I was living
up in New South Wales and I was working at a
hospital and I started to see that there was a
gap in products for women, particularly around plant- based skincare.
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And I found that I was buying lots of, and
sourcing, and looking for those sorts of things to give
to my family. So my mob all lived in Shepparton,
my mob's the James family, so I'm a strong, proud
Yorta Yorta woman. Amorettam was born out of a great significant
loss of my mother a few years ago, and in
(16:54):
2021 of my son, Matthew. And I wanted to incorporate
both their names in something. And what started out as
a vehicle for my grief ended up being a real
mission to honor my son and my mum in the
best way I knew how. And that was to keep
their memory alive through the development of plant- based skincare.
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So that's what I do.
Mundanara Bayles (17:19):
I love it. It's pure products for your skin, which
is better for the environment. All natural dyes. I've got
the Honey Lip Balm on my lips right now. I
never talk... it's not that I don't talk about products and promote products,
but I always feel like a bit of a fraud
when you're talking something up but you've never touched it,
never felt it, never seen it. So to actually go
(17:42):
over to your store, put it on my lips and go, "
That's something that I actually would buy. I need to
take that home." I then tried the Quandong Cream and
I was like, " Now I'm taking this one as well."
So you've got creams, you've got lip balms. I saw
there was a mist. Was there teas? Was there salts? Scrubs?
Chana (18:05):
Yeah. I actually hand blended tea that's on my website.
And Floral Waters, I'm a great believer in those. So
they're really good, men and women can use them. My
products aren't-
Mundanara Bayles (18:18):
Biased?
Chana (18:18):
... gender- specific. Yeah, that's right. Men and women can
use these products. In fact, my husband's the guinea pig
at the moment, so he's using a-
Mundanara Bayles (18:26):
Of course love family. And they're the best in terms of honesty and giving
us feedback.
Chana (18:32):
Oh, absolutely. I've got a Quandong Cream my auntie's been using.
She swears by it. She loves it.
Mundanara Bayles (18:39):
So tell us about quandong.
Chana (18:40):
Oh, quandong's our native peach. Quandong, desert lime, wattleseed. We've got the beautiful Illawarra
plum. We've got all of these native botanical plants and trees
and seeds in Australia and we don't use them. And
I believe that in the coming 10 years, you're going to
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see a lot of people moving to plant- based skincare.
They're going to be looking for it. Now, we've seen
Kakadu plum, you can see that.
Mundanara Bayles (19:11):
It's everywhere.
Chana (19:11):
It's everywhere. And it's in everybody's skincare. They're all using it.
Mundanara Bayles (19:16):
But who's actually benefiting from the mass production and manufacture? Like manufacturing of skincares
and the whole kind of native food scene with... I've
seen lots of Kakadu plum powders. I've actually bought from
Kaiyu Superfoods from Darwin and got some of my stuff.
And I always look for ethical products.
Chana (19:38):
That's right.
Mundanara Bayles (19:38):
So it's amazing to actually meet you today. You actually
see the owner who's creating these beautiful little gifts. What's
your favorite seller? What are people usually coming back for?
Is it the Quandong Cream?
Chana (19:52):
Yeah. Well, the creams set off just recently, at another
NAIDOC market day the creams set off. I would have
to say that it's the creams. It's their ability to
do everything because we're sucked in to buying things. Oh,
you need one cream for your eyes, you need one
for your neck, you need another one for your decolletage.
Mundanara Bayles (20:11):
Oh, you need this for nighttime, daytime.
Chana (20:15):
And you're rubbing on five or six-
Mundanara Bayles (20:16):
That's hydrating. This is for dry skin. So you're telling me
that that Quandong Cream that I just bought, which one
I've got this one here now, is for all skin
types. Anyone can use it.
Chana (20:29):
Absolutely.
Mundanara Bayles (20:30):
And you don't need all of these other...
Chana (20:31):
You don't need them all. No, that's right. And let's
just get back to-
Mundanara Bayles (20:34):
So save money, you mob.
Chana (20:35):
Yeah. And get back to basics. Get back to what
skincare should be. It should be cleaned and it should
be pure. And you also consider the environment as well.
And I don't know, I feel like there is a
connection to our environment, what we eat, how we live,
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I think that's all connected to our spiritual, emotional wellbeing.
Mundanara Bayles (21:00):
Physical, psychological, everything.
Chana (21:00):
Physical being. That's right. And we don't use a lot
of water. We don't use a lot of power to
produce our things. They're hand- blended skincare. They're done by
myself. And I'm a perfectionist, I've got a bit of
OCD as well. I like things to be perfect. I
think it's always been in my nature to do. But
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also to just be transparent. This is what you get. There's no-
Mundanara Bayles (21:27):
There's no nasties.
Chana (21:28):
There's no nasties in your products and you are going to
get good results. And the beauty about these, about the
heroes, the wattleseed, the quandong, the desert lime is they address things
like hyperpigmentation, firming, brightening, lack of glow, dullness, all of
those types of things that... and environmental damage as well.
Mundanara Bayles (21:53):
To our skin.
Chana (21:54):
To our skin.
Mundanara Bayles (21:54):
Well, how can people find you? Is it just as
simple as getting on the Instagram or which way?
Chana (22:00):
Yeah, so Instagram is Amorettam Beauty. And I know that's a tongue twister, but...
Mundanara Bayles (22:04):
That's all right. We'll have the actual business name in the show
notes. We'll make sure people can find you.
Chana (22:09):
Yeah. And Amorettam-
Mundanara Bayles (22:11):
Go to the website?
Chana (22:11):
Yeah, amorettam.com.au.
Mundanara Bayles (22:14):
Too deadly. Well, look, it's been an absolute pleasure to
have this little yarn with you.
Chana (22:18):
Oh, thank you so much.
Mundanara Bayles (22:18):
First time for everything. And I really do encourage not just Black fellas
to support Black businesses. This is skincare, every single one
of us, especially living in Australia with the temperatures, it's
either too cold or too hot, somewhere in between when
you're in Melbourne, four seasons in one day.
Chana (22:38):
Absolutely.
Mundanara Bayles (22:39):
Jump online and see if there's something for you. So
thank you so much.
Chana (22:44):
Thanks so much for having me.
Mundanara Bayles (22:45):
You're welcome. I've got the deadly Josh Deane here on
the couch, and it's been an absolute pleasure to meet
you. Even though it's short and sweet, I'm pretty sure
we'll connect again. But for my listeners and also our viewers
on YouTube, can you tell us a little bit about
yourself and what brought you here to the ANZ NAIDOC Indigenous
Business Marketplace?
Josh Deane (23:07):
So I'm Josh Deane. I'm a Palawa man. I grew up
on Kabi Kabi country, so on the sunny coast. And lived in Nambour, lived
everywhere around there. But literally one of the best places
to grow up because I got to experience nature for free,
going to the beach and just really being able to
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just learn to go with the vibes of life. Living
in Melbourne now.
Mundanara Bayles (23:35):
Surf life.
Josh Deane (23:36):
Yeah, exactly.
Mundanara Bayles (23:37):
The vibes. That's a cool place to live between mountains, the bush.
Josh Deane (23:42):
It's beautiful there. Literally blessed. I pursued, I guess, more
of a fashion modeling kind of world. So I was
a hairdresser for a few years and that's what kind
of led me to move to Melbourne, just because I
know Queensland don't want to admit it, but they're not
at the forefront of the fashion world as much as
the footy shorts and the (inaudible) -
Mundanara Bayles (24:01):
So you went where you know that you'll have more opportunity.
Josh Deane (24:05):
Exactly, yeah.
Mundanara Bayles (24:07):
And more potential to make a break in what, in fashion?
Josh Deane (24:12):
In fashion, yeah. So I did modeling for about 10
years and I was able to travel to Milan, Paris,
did all the fashion festivals in Australia. Was one of the first ever guys in an all
women's show for David Jones as well, which was cool.
Mundanara Bayles (24:29):
Look at that. We got this deli brother here on the couch, that's been all
around the world, doing runways. And then I've got this beautiful piece.
Josh Deane (24:37):
Painting, yeah. So for me, my passion in life always
was art. Art was really my refuge. I grew up with
a pretty tumultuous home life. Dad was very hard to
be around growing up, which kind of led me to
escape and paint in my bedroom and just kind of
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ignore what was going on. I was lucky in a
sense, my parents would let me paint all over my walls
and draw on my walls and stuff.
Mundanara Bayles (25:03):
Just do your thing.
Josh Deane (25:04):
Do my thing.
Mundanara Bayles (25:05):
Whatever makes you happy.
Josh Deane (25:05):
Exactly, yeah. So people always say, don't be an artist, you'll never
make it, and blah, blah, blah. And I tried so many
jobs. I'm a qualified hairdresser, house painter, nurse. I tried
to do everything that everyone told me to do.
Mundanara Bayles (25:22):
Just keep bringing you back.
Josh Deane (25:22):
Yeah. So this piece here, it's a bigger piece, but
that won an award last year at the Koorie Heritage
Trust in their Koorie Art Show.
Mundanara Bayles (25:33):
Congratulations.
Josh Deane (25:33):
Thank you. Yeah. Won the Reconciliation Award. But that piece,
it's a bigger piece and it's got my hand with
another budgie landing on it. Now what I kind of
really love about this piece and the symbology behind it, I'm a light- skinned
Indigenous person. Most of my mob, I'm Palawa, so after
all the genocides and traumas that we've been through as
people, a lot of people kind of question us, " Are
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you Indigenous?" For me, this budgie here, being a blue
budgie, now, it's a budgie, it's blue. No one's going
to question that, okay? In the wild they're all yellow
and green. So the only reason that the blue ones
exist is because of, in a sense, they've been colonized.
They've been created and bred to be blue and white.
So for me, creating this art piece of a blue
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and white budgie kind of spoke as a bigger metaphor
for me as I'm an Indigenous person.
Mundanara Bayles (26:23):
Wow.
Josh Deane (26:24):
Yeah.
Mundanara Bayles (26:24):
My brother, just hearing your interpretation and how you speak
about your art, I can't wait to literally find you.
I'm getting online. How do people find you?
Josh Deane (26:37):
So you can find me on Instagram, @ joshdeaneofficial, or my website, byjoshdeane. com.
Mundanara Bayles (26:43):
I can't wait to literally get home, get online, and I'm
sure all you mob are already on there now trying
to find out who this fella is. If you're... What, do you hang around
Melbourne? How far are you from the CBD?
Josh Deane (26:56):
Yeah, so I'm off Chapel Street. I actually just finished
a mural yesterday on Chapel Street, a big NAIDOC mural.
So big elder, giant Aboriginal flag with Waa, the crow,
flying through it. So that's on the corner of Grosvenor
and Chapel Street. If you want to check out some
of my art, it's there, grab a photo, give me
a tag.
Mundanara Bayles (27:13):
Too deadly. So it's NAIDOC Week and we're celebrating Black
businesses, supported by Supply Nation and Kinaway, here at ANZ
Docklands, the headquarters. There's so much going on here. So
my brother, I know people have been lining up and
talking to you and I finally got five minutes with
you, so thank you for giving me an opportunity to
have a yarn with you.
Josh Deane (27:34):
Absolute pleasure. Thanks so much for having me.
Mundanara Bayles (27:36):
Too deadly.
Josh Deane (27:36):
Cheers. Keep the fire burning.
Mundanara Bayles (27:37):
I can't wait. Thank you. You're not going to believe
who I just ran into. I've got the founder of
Dreamtime Range, Sara Stuart, here on the couch with me.
I always buy pajamas wherever I go. And I'm a
sucker for Peter Alexander. But I'm telling you now, after
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feeling... I don't like buying online, I like feeling clothes,
and then I kind of go... And also I love
connecting with people and understanding people's story. So sis, before
we go straight into it, and you're going to tell us a
bit about your mob and where you grew up, I
grabbed this to just show people some of the designs
(28:20):
before they go onto your Insta. But I grabbed the
blue pair and you said this represents women in business.
Sara Stuart (28:27):
Women in business.
Mundanara Bayles (28:28):
And so for people that don't know you and never heard
of this business, sis, can you please tell our listeners
and viewers on YouTube a little bit about yourself and how you
came up with this amazing business?
Sara Stuart (28:40):
Yeah, sure. So I'm Sara Stuart. I'm a proud Gamilaroi
woman from Northern New South Wales. I'm a mum of
four. I have been in business for over 20 years.
And I was also sick of buying Peter Alexander pajamas for
myself and all my children. Not that there's anything wrong
with it.
Mundanara Bayles (28:58):
No, they're nice.
Sara Stuart (28:59):
They're lovely.
Mundanara Bayles (28:59):
But we could be supporting our own mob.
Sara Stuart (29:02):
Yeah, I wanted something ethically sourced, connecting to culture, sparking
a conversation. But I also wanted something that I could
put a blazer on, put a pair of heels on
and go to work comfy every day. And so we
designed Dreamtime Range around that. We work with up- and-
coming Aboriginal artists from all over Australia to help use
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our platform and my platform to basically bring them into
the corporate world. So we've launched on Monday, Dreamtime Range, together.
Mundanara Bayles (29:30):
Big congratulations.
Sara Stuart (29:31):
Very excited. It's a dream come true.
Mundanara Bayles (29:33):
It's not easy.
Sara Stuart (29:34):
Oh, my goodness. I have businesses obviously, and I thought, "
How hard can this be?" I have run business for
20 years. I'm a mum. I can multitask like the
best of them. Oh, my goodness. Never in my life
did I think that there was that much to a
fashion line. Down to ethically sourcing, the eco- friendliness, your
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packaging, even down to where and how and who you're
connecting with because that's your brand. So ours are ethically
made in Sri Lanka, designed here in Naarm, the pattern, but
also, as I said, this first pattern is by Sheri
from Bigi Nagala. So look her up, I'm happy to send
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you the link.
Mundanara Bayles (30:21):
Definitely. We'll have it in the show notes.
Sara Stuart (30:23):
As you saw, blue, Women in Business, representing all of
us amazing boss women. And showing the young people coming
through and our daughters that, you know what? It doesn't
matter what you want to do, if you want to
do it, have a go. The pattern you've got over
there, that represents, We Are One. So it represents that
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Mother Earth doesn't discriminate no matter where we come from
and the color of our skin. And together we can
unite and create a truly reconciled as one. So that's
the hope, that we're not sitting here in 20 years
having this same conversation that our daughters and our sons
aren't sitting here having this same conversation. Let's get our
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culture out there. Let's get it in your face. Let's
talk about it in a safe way and let's bring
our culture and our history to your dreams.
Mundanara Bayles (31:15):
I love the fact that your goal is to create
these chic and distinct fashion pieces that initiate discussions about
culture. This is NAIDOC Week, this is an opportunity for all Australians to go
and actually immerse yourself in community, amongst Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. But
actually kind of feel what we feel, that pride, when
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we talk about our culture, our country, our connections with each
other. It's not just all dot paintings and didgeridoos, there's
so much more to us that most people have missed
out on. So grabbing yourself a beautiful piece of fashion,
getting some pajamas, is also an opportunity to have these conversations.
Sara Stuart (32:02):
It is. And they're so important, these conversations. Not just for
now but for the future. So that next generation comes
through can actually see that it doesn't matter what you
want to be or where you come from or what
life has served you up. I'm a ward of the
state and I sit here now as a business owner,
a mum, breaking the cycle one business at a time.
(32:24):
But more importantly, showing my kids that you can stand
up, be proud, wear your culture, talk about it. And
it doesn't matter whether you get knocked down, just get
back up and keep going.
Mundanara Bayles (32:39):
And when you got strong, deadly Black women in our
community, that's also holding us. Especially in the business community,
there's not many Black women-
Sara Stuart (32:47):
No, there's not.
Mundanara Bayles (32:47):
... that are front and center. There's some joint ventures, there's some
family businesses, but there's not many just Black women front
and center. So sis, we need to stay in touch.
Sara Stuart (32:58):
We do.
Mundanara Bayles (32:59):
We were meant to see each other again. And I
cannot wait to get Tigerlily to model these and share
on Instagram. So I'm telling you now, I'm definitely, definitely
hooked. You've got to feel them, you've got to touch
them. And if you don't get a chance to do
that, just trust me.
Sara Stuart (33:18):
They feel beautiful. We've got 100% silk lines, but we've
also got 100% viscose. So they're not going to shrink. They're not going
to feel that strawy feeling. They're beautiful. I wear them.
I wear them to work. My kids wear them. My
partner wears them.
Mundanara Bayles (33:36):
Right. Well, I think I need to get myself some pants.
Sara Stuart (33:39):
Yes.
Mundanara Bayles (33:39):
Watch this space everyone. So get onto...
Sara Stuart (33:42):
dreamtimerange. com. au. We're on Insta, we're on LinkedIn and
get behind us and support us.
Mundanara Bayles (33:48):
Too deadly. Well, happy NAIDOC Week and thanks so much for
coming here and giving me a couple of minutes of
your time.
Sara Stuart (33:53):
Thanks. Happy NAIDOC Week.
Mundanara Bayles (33:54):
I literally just got back from Teena Oudy's store. It
is unbelievable in terms of the chocolate. I've got to
literally show you this, and I'm leaving my mic just
so I can go grab the other block of chocolate,
if you're listening and not watching this on YouTube. I
started off with The Brittle Life, and I'm not joking,
(34:18):
I'm not really into crunchy peanut brittle, but I thought
I would try it anyways. I always stick with just
milk chocolate. So my sister, can I just say this
chocolate is amazing.
Teena Oudy (34:29):
Thank you.
Mundanara Bayles (34:30):
It's obviously your business.
Teena Oudy (34:31):
Yep.
Mundanara Bayles (34:32):
Can you share with my listeners and also viewers on
YouTube a little bit about, well yourself first and then tell
me about this amazing business.
Teena Oudy (34:41):
Yeah, absolutely.
Mundanara Bayles (34:42):
And I'm going to eat the chocolate if you don't
mind, and listen to you. So I'm about to open
this one up.
Teena Oudy (34:50):
You can give me some feedback while we're chatting.
Mundanara Bayles (34:53):
That's easy.
Teena Oudy (34:53):
Yeah, absolutely. So about myself, I'm Kamilaroi, proud Kamilaroi woman. My grandmother
was born in Wee Waa, Northern New South Wales. Recently
only found my family history of the Indigenous side. We always
knew it, but it was very hard to trace back.
And then, I'm a pastry chef, chocolatier by trade. Went
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back to school when I was 45 and decided to
become a pastry chef. So yeah, seven years later and
I'm loving it.
Mundanara Bayles (35:21):
And now from pastry to chocolate. Are you still doing pastry?
Teena Oudy (35:26):
Yes, on the side.
Mundanara Bayles (35:27):
On the side. But tell us what made you go
into chocolate. It is such a tough market.
Teena Oudy (35:34):
It is, absolutely.
Mundanara Bayles (35:35):
Everyone is doing chocolate. What would you say in terms of what
makes your chocolate different?
Teena Oudy (35:39):
So there's a lot of craft chocolate makers out there.
I'm different because I really enjoy that experimentational stage of
making the products and really working out what flavors go
with each other. I think that's where my passion lies,
and that's why I have so many skews. Yes, I
need to cull a few, but you know...
Mundanara Bayles (35:58):
What is your number one seller?
Teena Oudy (36:01):
So I have four different product ranges. So I have an
OG range, a vegan range, my natives, and then I
have a range that I call Here for a good
time, not for a long time, which I chop and
change all the time. Every one, two months, I bring
out a new bar strictly for a month only. And
so there's quite a few, Salty Feels, Biscoff Your Face.
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Wattle Seed Dreaming is a really popular one. My vegan bars
are extremely popular. A lot of people are vegan, not
just for food, but ethical reasons as well. So that's
a big point of difference for my business.
Mundanara Bayles (36:35):
And you're here based in Melbourne?
Teena Oudy (36:38):
Yeah, absolutely. Moving from Preston to Coburg.
Mundanara Bayles (36:40):
Okay. And how do people normally find you? Where are
your clients? How do you get customers?
Teena Oudy (36:46):
Yeah, absolutely. So more social media. So Instagram is my main go-
to page. I'll be honest, I'm a bit slack with
Facebook and the others. I'm getting there. Everything takes a
lot of time and energy. So Instagram, number one. And
then I decided once I started doing the business, I've got to put
myself out there. So Supply Nation and Kinaway shows and
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local markets and fairs and trade shows. Yeah, I'm basically
at every one of them now.
Mundanara Bayles (37:13):
Excellent. And tell me just a little bit about in
the business, have you got children, hubby, you got mum
working? Is there anyone else that's supporting you or this is
just a one woman show?
Teena Oudy (37:25):
Well, it was a one...
Mundanara Bayles (37:26):
It starts off that way.
Teena Oudy (37:28):
It does start off that way. Unfortunately, I have really
bad joints in my hands, so I have my kids
help me, adult children, which is great. My husband's very
supportive and the kids. So yeah, if I need help,
they're like, " Mum, what can we do?"
Mundanara Bayles (37:40):
Isn't it amazing though that we actually can bring our kids-
Teena Oudy (37:43):
Oh, I love it.
Mundanara Bayles (37:43):
... into our business. I love seeing other women. Other women-
Teena Oudy (37:49):
It's very empowering.
Mundanara Bayles (37:49):
... give business a crack and have a family and
do both. Why not?
Teena Oudy (37:54):
Absolutely. We always had a business, in the clothing business
20 years ago. So wherever I went, my kids went
with me. That was just what I had to do.
If I went to work, my kids came too. So
I think you just carry that through your life and
go about your work and just do what you got
to do basically. That's what I tell my kids. People say, "
How do you do it?" I'm like, "I don't know. I
just do it. I do it because I got to
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do it."
Mundanara Bayles (38:16):
When you wake up every day, usually with a passion and a
purpose. And also that the impact that we're having, especially
on our families and communities. And we're leading the way
as business owners, where a lot of other people might
not have ever thought that they could go into business.
Teena Oudy (38:34):
Absolutely.
Mundanara Bayles (38:34):
So you've gone from, did you say clothing before?
Teena Oudy (38:37):
Clothing attire, to going back to school at 45, studying to be a
pastry chef, chocolatier. Yeah, so I had a job as
chocolatier before Covid, and then unfortunately lost my job towards the
end of Covid. Took about a year to get up
and running, find a kitchen, got registered, blah, blah, blah.
And then, yeah.
Mundanara Bayles (38:55):
And look, we're here on this couch.
Teena Oudy (38:56):
I wouldn't believe it.
Mundanara Bayles (38:58):
And you're on the Black Magic Woman podcast talking about
this amazing chocolate. Literally, you've got to get on Instagram,
find this chocolate, buy some. You will not regret it.
Teena Oudy (39:08):
Thank you.
Mundanara Bayles (39:09):
Well, thank you so much for making time to come
over and say hello.
Teena Oudy (39:11):
Thank you. No, thank you.
Mundanara Bayles (39:13):
How deadly was that? Oh, my God. Literally when I
was yarning to sister, Emma Bamblett, and talking to her about
having a shopfront, then having mob- only workshops come in
and to learn about culture, to do weaving, to pass
on very important cultural stories and knowledge. I just literally,
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just from having a yarn with her, to hear about
what they've been doing. Make sure you visit them if
you're ever in Melbourne, get out to Preston. And those
pajamas, OMG, Sara, with your beautiful pajamas. I'm now one
of your biggest supporters, biggest fans, and you're only a
couple of weeks in business. But I know, sis, you've
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been doing this for a long time. And how incredible
was auntie there? Chana, I absolutely loved her lip balm.
I've been wearing it ever since. And of course, how
can I forget the Quandong Cream? So look, that's a wrap
up of the amazing Indigenous business marketplace here at ANZ to
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celebrate NAIDOC Week. Thank you so much for listening. I
hope you've enjoyed this episode. Until next time, bye for now.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
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grow your business, visit anz. com or call 131314.
Mundanara Bayles (40:40):
A big shout- out to all you deadly mob and allies
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Traditional Owners of the land where you, the listener or
viewer, are tuning in from. We would like to pay
our respects to our elders, past and present, and acknowledge
that this always was Aboriginal land and always will be
(00:24):
Aboriginal land.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
This episode is proudly brought to you by ANZ. A
new series of conversations with different mob around the country,
to yarn about meaningful career opportunities within ANZ, building the
capacity of Indigenous businesses and organizations, and helping individuals in
the broader community to achieve financial wellbeing and resilience.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Welcome to the Black Magic Woman podcast with Mundanara Bayles.
Mundanara Bayles (01:04):
Welcome, you mob, to another deadly episode of the Black Magic Woman podcast. I am your host, Mundanara Bayles, and this is an
episode like no other. We're going to literally talk all
things Black business, entrepreneurship, by actually talking to Black business
owners themself. Each year, ANZ host an Indigenous Business Marketplace
(01:24):
to celebrate NAIDOC Week. Supported by Kinaway and Supply Nation,
there are First Nations businesses that get to showcase their
products, their services, in the actual foyer in ANZ's headquarters
here on beautiful Wurundjeri country in Kulin, AKA, in Melbourne.
I got to speak to some deadly up- and- coming
(01:45):
and also people that have been doing this for 20
years in terms of business, the hustle. I got to
speak to Josh Deane. And Josh is an artist, a
nurse, fashion designer, I think he's a tiler or a
chippy as well. And he's done some amazing murals here
in Melbourne and also grew up on Kabi Kabi country, so I
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got to connect with him. And I got to hear from
my sister, Sara Stuart, about a new business venture that
she literally just launched this week here in NAIDOC week.
Then I was able to yarn with an old uncle, Uncle
Mick. Uncle Mick's got this amazing business where I was
looking at coffee cups and chopping boards and engravings and
(02:30):
burnings. Look, I'm not going to give too much more
away. That's just a few of the amazing people that
you're now going to hear about on this amazing ANZ
episode. Hope you enjoy. I'm here today to showcase some
amazing Black business owners that are here at the ANZ
Docklands headquarters. So my sister, first on the couch, thank
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you very much for joining me on the show today.
And if you don't mind, can you introduce yourself, tell
our listeners, and also viewers on YouTube, your name, your
mob, and a little bit about where you grew up.
Emma Bamblett (03:06):
Yep. So my name's Emma Bamblett. My mobs are, on
both my mom and dad's side, my kinship connections, Wemba-
Wemba, Gunditjmara, Narrogin and Taungurung. I am currently living in Naarm
for over the last 22 years. Originally from Echuca on the Murray
River, born and raised on beautiful Yorta Yorta country. And I
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live in Naarm with my four children, and I've got two beautiful
little granddaughters. And yeah, very lucky to be connected to
the Bambletts through hubby, through Ralphie. And I'm here today to
represent Kinya Lerrk, which means Women Coming Together, our small business.
Myself and co- owner, Megan Van Den Berg, we're five
years now, celebrating this year five years (inaudible) .
Mundanara Bayles (03:50):
Congratulations.
Emma Bamblett (03:51):
Thank you.
Mundanara Bayles (03:52):
So sis, tell us, I had an opportunity to come
over to the store. And Kurrek, the first thing I did was
have a look and see what is it that youse
got going on over there, I noticed that this spray,
it was the first scent that you kind of said, "
Smell this, sis." So tell us about some of the
products that you're selling today.
Emma Bamblett (04:12):
So during lockdown, Megan and I brought out our Back
to Country range. So for mob it was really hard
living in Melbourne that time when we could only go
five kilometers out of the house. And it was hard for
mob that were wanting to go back to country, to
recharge battery, for sorry business, that we couldn't, so we
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brought out a Back to Country range. So after the
Back to Country range we brought out Kurrek, which means
country land sand in Wemba-Wemba. And it's a beautiful scent
to take you back to the smell of sand, so
the base scents are patchouli, sandalwood and vanilla, and-
Mundanara Bayles (04:51):
I can smell the sandalwood. That was my mother's favorite scent.
Emma Bamblett (04:55):
Oh, nice.
Mundanara Bayles (04:55):
It's probably why... I didn't know that it was in there,
you rattled off all these things and I was so caught up
in the store. So sandalwood?
Emma Bamblett (05:02):
Is that connection to that scent of being back on
country. And it's one of our most popular products that
we sell is the room spray. So you can spray it
on your linen, I spray it in the car. And
also we've got a candle, diffuser, hand and body wash
in that range.
Mundanara Bayles (05:22):
And I saw some books, note pads. I saw, was
it drink bottles? And there's a whole lot of things
over there.
Emma Bamblett (05:29):
So we really... the start of the business in 2019 was originally
we wanted all our schools to have acknowledgement to country
plaques. So that's the core of the business. We started
off with five online ranges. So they're matt metal plaques
that you put up in schools or workplaces or homes.
And from there we grew onto the candles online.
Mundanara Bayles (05:52):
This is Covid lockdown?
Emma Bamblett (05:54):
Covid lockdown.
Mundanara Bayles (05:55):
This is a really good example of pivoting your whole business
model. Starting with acknowledgement of country, seeing that there was
a need and probably a big gap there in the
market as well, and then coming out with these sprays
and candles and diffusers and soaps and moisturizers. Sis, has
it been easy to be able to now sustain this
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new kind of, well not business model, but you've kind of
taken another direction?
Emma Bamblett (06:24):
Yep, definitely.
Mundanara Bayles (06:25):
But you incorporate everything now under one brand.
Emma Bamblett (06:27):
Yeah, definitely. After lockdown we had a think and I
come up with these crazy ideas and yarned with Megan and say, "
Oh, what do you reckon we open up a shop, where
it's a beautiful space, we can showcase our products, but
also all the beautiful small businesses that came out of
Covid?" And our people are very clever at making beautiful weaving,
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jewelry, scarves. We've got wood burners. Down to opening up
the shop to... we've got over 80 small businesses that
we showcase now within the shop. So that was a
kind of after- Covid moment, where we wanted to try
that. And also have a space where we could offer
workshops. So we're both artists, both different artists. Now we've
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got a space at the back where we can have
weavers come in.
Mundanara Bayles (07:13):
Art workshops, weaving.
Emma Bamblett (07:14):
Yep, healing spaces.
Mundanara Bayles (07:15):
And this is open to the general public or who's
your customers? Who comes in those doors?
Emma Bamblett (07:22):
So community always come in. We have ally friendly products
there. Our workshops are targeted at mob only. For example,
last night we had collaborated with VACCA, we do art
mentoring programs, so it ranges from 12 to 24. We'll
have different artists, who we showcase in the store, come
in every fortnight and talk about their small business and
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also get the kids to have a hands- on experience, and later on hopefully
they pick up the-
Mundanara Bayles (07:49):
Well, this is how do you plant those seeds now? And you're doing
it? Too deadly, my (foreign language) . So how do people
find you?
Emma Bamblett (07:55):
So yeah, come and visit us. We're at 134 High
Street, Preston, that's the northern suburbs of Melbourne. We open
Wednesday to Sunday, 11 to 3
we're also online. So majority of our stock are online,
but if not, you can just contact us through the
website and we can arrange to get products out to
you. We also have gotten in... so this is another
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kind of change in the environment... our hampers now. So
a lot of places are coming to us to make beautiful
custom hampers that we then showcase a lot of small
businesses within those hampers.
Mundanara Bayles (08:30):
Sis, like too deadly. Just to go over there and see
this little table with a few little things and then to
actually hear the backstory. I'm pretty sure a lot of
the mob that are listening or watching will be... if
you're in the area, drop in. I'll definitely drop by
the shop next time I'm here.
Emma Bamblett (08:47):
Definitely.
Mundanara Bayles (08:48):
So thank you so much for jumping on the podcast
and can't wait to come catch up with youse and
hopefully do one of the workshops. So for mob only,
what a deadly. And how deadly is it to actually go to an event
where there's mob and if you get inspired you might
come out with your own little products?
Emma Bamblett (09:05):
Yeah, definitely.
Mundanara Bayles (09:06):
All good. Well, enjoy the rest of the day here. And
thanks again for jumping on.
Emma Bamblett (09:09):
Thanks. Thank you.
Mundanara Bayles (09:10):
Too deadly. I'm so excited to introduce you to my listeners and also our viewers
on YouTube. I've got Uncle Mick sitting on the couch
here. I'm going to hand over to you, uncle, to
introduce yourself. Tell our listeners who your mob is, a little bit about where
you grew up and why you're here at this deadly
Indigenous business marketplace at ANZ today?
Uncle Mick (09:33):
Well, I might start by saying, (foreign language) , which means hello to everyone in my
language, the Daung Wurrung or Taungurung, one of the five language
groups of the Kulin. This has been a long journey
for me, this whole business, which started off as a
sole trader, or just, really, as a bit of a
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hobby to start off with. It started back in the
2006 Com Games. A little program within one of the
departments of government now called the Koorie Business Network, they did
a series of workshops for all us, sort of little
hobby want- to- be businesses, and just to help us
with some basic business skills. And then at the end
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of that I took off around Victoria to sell my
wares and came home with five grand and that was
the start of it.
Mundanara Bayles (10:27):
This is a sign of success and look where you are today.
Uncle Mick (10:30):
Yeah, yeah. So we're nearly 20 years later.
Mundanara Bayles (10:32):
20 years later.
Uncle Mick (10:34):
And we've developed.
Mundanara Bayles (10:35):
Like beautiful, actually really beautiful, great quality products, from coffee,
tea. I literally could not wait to show people. And
for people that are listening, you need to get over
to the YouTube channel so you can actually see these
beautiful pieces from Uncle Mick. What is the actual business called?
Uncle Mick (10:54):
Ngarga Warendj, which means Dancing Wombat, or as I like
to say, in today's world, twerking wombat.
Mundanara Bayles (11:02):
Twerking wombat. And Uncle Mick, how do people find you?
Uncle Mick (11:06):
We've got a website, we sell at all different kinds
of retailers. In fact, we sell at the Koorie Heritage Trust
in Sydney. We sell it at Welcome to Country, just
a host of different retailers. Uluru, we sell it at Uluru.
Mundanara Bayles (11:22):
So you're everywhere. You're actually getting your stuff out all over
the country?
Uncle Mick (11:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mundanara Bayles (11:27):
And now on this podcast, people are able to hear
about other Black businesses, especially here in Victoria that might
not be known outside of this state. So, Uncle Mick, I just
want to say thank you.
Uncle Mick (11:36):
No worries.
Mundanara Bayles (11:38):
I know you're getting busy over there. You better get
back to that store.
Uncle Mick (11:41):
No worries.
Mundanara Bayles (11:41):
But to all our listeners and viewers, in the show notes, we'll make sure
that the websites are there so you can go and actually support
some of our local Black businesses, especially here in Victoria.
Too deadly, uncle.
Uncle Mick (11:52):
Happy NAIDOC Week, everyone.
Mundanara Bayles (11:54):
Keep up the good work.
Uncle Mick (11:55):
Cheers.
Mundanara Bayles (11:56):
Thank you. I've got another deadly Black sister on the
couch to yarn with us about her deadly little store.
My sister, why don't you introduce yourself and tell our
listeners, and also our viewers on YouTube, your name, your mob,
and what brought you here to ANZ's Indigenous Business Marketplace
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here in NAIDOC Week in beautiful Naarm?
Sharon Brindley (12:21):
Hello. How are you, sis? So my name's Sharon Brindley. So
I'm a Yamatji Noongar woman, and my company is Jala Jala Treats.
So Jala Jala meaning very good in my Yamatji language. And
the turtle, our totem, that's our family totem, the green
sea turtle. I guess what brought me here is I've
worked with Simon on and off with ANZ for a number
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of years now. This is our fifth year this year. And it's a
good way for me coming up from the Peninsula to
be able to be in the center of town, so
all the big, big businesses from around Melbourne can come
in and support us.
Mundanara Bayles (12:57):
And it's such an amazing opportunity to showcase some of
the smaller businesses that I've never heard of. But since
I've seen you, I've been watching you, I've been following
your journey for a couple of years now. Jala Jala Treats
has won a few awards and first you started off with chocolate?
Sharon Brindley (13:15):
Yes.
Mundanara Bayles (13:16):
And now I just went and bought some Wellbeing Tea.
This is exactly what I need right now. And I can
save my money that I spend at T2 and get
online now and get my tea from you.
Sharon Brindley (13:28):
You can indeed.
Mundanara Bayles (13:29):
So you've got a new customer.
Sharon Brindley (13:30):
Yes. Thank you. And we've also just started bringing out
our own little bush in that range as well.
Mundanara Bayles (13:36):
I see lemon myrtle a lot these days. Can you
tell us some of the uses?
Sharon Brindley (13:42):
Lemon myrtle's great to go into tea, but it's great
for relaxation and calming. So I've got a few plants
growing, which are probably not the right country for it
where I'm on Bunurong country at my house at least.
But I need to have those trees around me to
be able to just go out there and get a
leaf and put in a cuppa when I need to
just chill. So it's great for that. But it's also
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one that's great to sort of start with for non-
Indigenous people to start the journey and then you start
getting them onto the quandong, which is on my country.
So I'm looking at putting the quandong into my chocolate
sort of as we progress.
Mundanara Bayles (14:21):
And quandong is the native peach, basically?
Sharon Brindley (14:23):
Yes. So that's what my aunties or my mum grew
up on, so being able to go out and pick
them. And then I'm going to look even into the
bush tomatoes and starting to put that into product as well.
Mundanara Bayles (14:33):
Yeah. 'Cause then you got savory?
Sharon Brindley (14:35):
Yeah.
Mundanara Bayles (14:35):
Excellent.
Sharon Brindley (14:36):
And mixing with the chocolate. So maybe a bit of
bush tomato and chili.
Mundanara Bayles (14:38):
Ooh, I like the chili. So sis, how can people find you, is it as simple
as getting onto Instagram or... ?
Sharon Brindley (14:45):
Yeah, so with socials it's just Jala Jala Treats. So look
us up for our website I'm on. What am I on?
Mundanara Bayles (14:53):
Everything.
Sharon Brindley (14:53):
I'm on Facebook. Yeah, I'm on everything. So Facebook, Instagram. Instagram
seems to be the one for the younger generation. But
get on there and support. And look, hey, I'm also
free if you want to reach out and just to
double check on a business. We all know each other
within this economy, and so just double check to make
sure that you're supporting the right business. And that way
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we can thrive. In my lifetime, we need to be
higher than 2%.
Mundanara Bayles (15:18):
Yeah, I love it. So important that we're actually not
just saying, " Hey, come and buy some tea." We're letting
people know that most people that are actually financially benefiting
are non- Aboriginal people. So let's try and change that
in our lifetime. Well, sis, I'll let you get back
to your store.
Sharon Brindley (15:36):
Thank you.
Mundanara Bayles (15:36):
Happy NAIDOC Week and it's been an absolute pleasure to finally have
a yarn with you here on the podcast.
Sharon Brindley (15:41):
Yeah, you too, sis.
Mundanara Bayles (15:42):
Too deadly.
Sharon Brindley (15:42):
Thank you.
Mundanara Bayles (15:42):
Thank you. I've got another amazing, deadly Black business owner here on the
couch. I want to hand the mic over to you,
my sister, to introduce yourself. So can you please tell
our listeners just your name, your mob, and what brought you here
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to the ANZ Indigenous Business NAIDOC Marketplace?
Chana (16:08):
Thanks for having me. Chana, and the business name's Amorettam.
So my journey started in 2021. But I was living
up in New South Wales and I was working at a
hospital and I started to see that there was a
gap in products for women, particularly around plant- based skincare.
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And I found that I was buying lots of, and
sourcing, and looking for those sorts of things to give
to my family. So my mob all lived in Shepparton,
my mob's the James family, so I'm a strong, proud
Yorta Yorta woman. Amorettam was born out of a great significant
loss of my mother a few years ago, and in
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2021 of my son, Matthew. And I wanted to incorporate
both their names in something. And what started out as
a vehicle for my grief ended up being a real
mission to honor my son and my mum in the
best way I knew how. And that was to keep
their memory alive through the development of plant- based skincare.
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So that's what I do.
Mundanara Bayles (17:19):
I love it. It's pure products for your skin, which
is better for the environment. All natural dyes. I've got
the Honey Lip Balm on my lips right now. I
never talk... it's not that I don't talk about products and promote products,
but I always feel like a bit of a fraud
when you're talking something up but you've never touched it,
never felt it, never seen it. So to actually go
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over to your store, put it on my lips and go, "
That's something that I actually would buy. I need to
take that home." I then tried the Quandong Cream and
I was like, " Now I'm taking this one as well."
So you've got creams, you've got lip balms. I saw
there was a mist. Was there teas? Was there salts? Scrubs?
Chana (18:05):
Yeah. I actually hand blended tea that's on my website.
And Floral Waters, I'm a great believer in those. So
they're really good, men and women can use them. My
products aren't-
Mundanara Bayles (18:18):
Biased?
Chana (18:18):
... gender- specific. Yeah, that's right. Men and women can
use these products. In fact, my husband's the guinea pig
at the moment, so he's using a-
Mundanara Bayles (18:26):
Of course love family. And they're the best in terms of honesty and giving
us feedback.
Chana (18:32):
Oh, absolutely. I've got a Quandong Cream my auntie's been using.
She swears by it. She loves it.
Mundanara Bayles (18:39):
So tell us about quandong.
Chana (18:40):
Oh, quandong's our native peach. Quandong, desert lime, wattleseed. We've got the beautiful Illawarra
plum. We've got all of these native botanical plants and trees
and seeds in Australia and we don't use them. And
I believe that in the coming 10 years, you're going to
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see a lot of people moving to plant- based skincare.
They're going to be looking for it. Now, we've seen
Kakadu plum, you can see that.
Mundanara Bayles (19:11):
It's everywhere.
Chana (19:11):
It's everywhere. And it's in everybody's skincare. They're all using it.
Mundanara Bayles (19:16):
But who's actually benefiting from the mass production and manufacture? Like manufacturing of skincares
and the whole kind of native food scene with... I've
seen lots of Kakadu plum powders. I've actually bought from
Kaiyu Superfoods from Darwin and got some of my stuff.
And I always look for ethical products.
Chana (19:38):
That's right.
Mundanara Bayles (19:38):
So it's amazing to actually meet you today. You actually
see the owner who's creating these beautiful little gifts. What's
your favorite seller? What are people usually coming back for?
Is it the Quandong Cream?
Chana (19:52):
Yeah. Well, the creams set off just recently, at another
NAIDOC market day the creams set off. I would have
to say that it's the creams. It's their ability to
do everything because we're sucked in to buying things. Oh,
you need one cream for your eyes, you need one
for your neck, you need another one for your decolletage.
Mundanara Bayles (20:11):
Oh, you need this for nighttime, daytime.
Chana (20:15):
And you're rubbing on five or six-
Mundanara Bayles (20:16):
That's hydrating. This is for dry skin. So you're telling me
that that Quandong Cream that I just bought, which one
I've got this one here now, is for all skin
types. Anyone can use it.
Chana (20:29):
Absolutely.
Mundanara Bayles (20:30):
And you don't need all of these other...
Chana (20:31):
You don't need them all. No, that's right. And let's
just get back to-
Mundanara Bayles (20:34):
So save money, you mob.
Chana (20:35):
Yeah. And get back to basics. Get back to what
skincare should be. It should be cleaned and it should
be pure. And you also consider the environment as well.
And I don't know, I feel like there is a
connection to our environment, what we eat, how we live,
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I think that's all connected to our spiritual, emotional wellbeing.
Mundanara Bayles (21:00):
Physical, psychological, everything.
Chana (21:00):
Physical being. That's right. And we don't use a lot
of water. We don't use a lot of power to
produce our things. They're hand- blended skincare. They're done by
myself. And I'm a perfectionist, I've got a bit of
OCD as well. I like things to be perfect. I
think it's always been in my nature to do. But
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also to just be transparent. This is what you get. There's no-
Mundanara Bayles (21:27):
There's no nasties.
Chana (21:28):
There's no nasties in your products and you are going to
get good results. And the beauty about these, about the
heroes, the wattleseed, the quandong, the desert lime is they address things
like hyperpigmentation, firming, brightening, lack of glow, dullness, all of
those types of things that... and environmental damage as well.
Mundanara Bayles (21:53):
To our skin.
Chana (21:54):
To our skin.
Mundanara Bayles (21:54):
Well, how can people find you? Is it just as
simple as getting on the Instagram or which way?
Chana (22:00):
Yeah, so Instagram is Amorettam Beauty. And I know that's a tongue twister, but...
Mundanara Bayles (22:04):
That's all right. We'll have the actual business name in the show
notes. We'll make sure people can find you.
Chana (22:09):
Yeah. And Amorettam-
Mundanara Bayles (22:11):
Go to the website?
Chana (22:11):
Yeah, amorettam.com.au.
Mundanara Bayles (22:14):
Too deadly. Well, look, it's been an absolute pleasure to
have this little yarn with you.
Chana (22:18):
Oh, thank you so much.
Mundanara Bayles (22:18):
First time for everything. And I really do encourage not just Black fellas
to support Black businesses. This is skincare, every single one
of us, especially living in Australia with the temperatures, it's
either too cold or too hot, somewhere in between when
you're in Melbourne, four seasons in one day.
Chana (22:38):
Absolutely.
Mundanara Bayles (22:39):
Jump online and see if there's something for you. So
thank you so much.
Chana (22:44):
Thanks so much for having me.
Mundanara Bayles (22:45):
You're welcome. I've got the deadly Josh Deane here on
the couch, and it's been an absolute pleasure to meet
you. Even though it's short and sweet, I'm pretty sure
we'll connect again. But for my listeners and also our viewers
on YouTube, can you tell us a little bit about
yourself and what brought you here to the ANZ NAIDOC Indigenous
Business Marketplace?
Josh Deane (23:07):
So I'm Josh Deane. I'm a Palawa man. I grew up
on Kabi Kabi country, so on the sunny coast. And lived in Nambour, lived
everywhere around there. But literally one of the best places
to grow up because I got to experience nature for free,
going to the beach and just really being able to
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just learn to go with the vibes of life. Living
in Melbourne now.
Mundanara Bayles (23:35):
Surf life.
Josh Deane (23:36):
Yeah, exactly.
Mundanara Bayles (23:37):
The vibes. That's a cool place to live between mountains, the bush.
Josh Deane (23:42):
It's beautiful there. Literally blessed. I pursued, I guess, more
of a fashion modeling kind of world. So I was
a hairdresser for a few years and that's what kind
of led me to move to Melbourne, just because I
know Queensland don't want to admit it, but they're not
at the forefront of the fashion world as much as
the footy shorts and the (inaudible) -
Mundanara Bayles (24:01):
So you went where you know that you'll have more opportunity.
Josh Deane (24:05):
Exactly, yeah.
Mundanara Bayles (24:07):
And more potential to make a break in what, in fashion?
Josh Deane (24:12):
In fashion, yeah. So I did modeling for about 10
years and I was able to travel to Milan, Paris,
did all the fashion festivals in Australia. Was one of the first ever guys in an all
women's show for David Jones as well, which was cool.
Mundanara Bayles (24:29):
Look at that. We got this deli brother here on the couch, that's been all
around the world, doing runways. And then I've got this beautiful piece.
Josh Deane (24:37):
Painting, yeah. So for me, my passion in life always
was art. Art was really my refuge. I grew up with
a pretty tumultuous home life. Dad was very hard to
be around growing up, which kind of led me to
escape and paint in my bedroom and just kind of
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ignore what was going on. I was lucky in a
sense, my parents would let me paint all over my walls
and draw on my walls and stuff.
Mundanara Bayles (25:03):
Just do your thing.
Josh Deane (25:04):
Do my thing.
Mundanara Bayles (25:05):
Whatever makes you happy.
Josh Deane (25:05):
Exactly, yeah. So people always say, don't be an artist, you'll never
make it, and blah, blah, blah. And I tried so many
jobs. I'm a qualified hairdresser, house painter, nurse. I tried
to do everything that everyone told me to do.
Mundanara Bayles (25:22):
Just keep bringing you back.
Josh Deane (25:22):
Yeah. So this piece here, it's a bigger piece, but
that won an award last year at the Koorie Heritage
Trust in their Koorie Art Show.
Mundanara Bayles (25:33):
Congratulations.
Josh Deane (25:33):
Thank you. Yeah. Won the Reconciliation Award. But that piece,
it's a bigger piece and it's got my hand with
another budgie landing on it. Now what I kind of
really love about this piece and the symbology behind it, I'm a light- skinned
Indigenous person. Most of my mob, I'm Palawa, so after
all the genocides and traumas that we've been through as
people, a lot of people kind of question us, " Are
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you Indigenous?" For me, this budgie here, being a blue
budgie, now, it's a budgie, it's blue. No one's going
to question that, okay? In the wild they're all yellow
and green. So the only reason that the blue ones
exist is because of, in a sense, they've been colonized.
They've been created and bred to be blue and white.
So for me, creating this art piece of a blue
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and white budgie kind of spoke as a bigger metaphor
for me as I'm an Indigenous person.
Mundanara Bayles (26:23):
Wow.
Josh Deane (26:24):
Yeah.
Mundanara Bayles (26:24):
My brother, just hearing your interpretation and how you speak
about your art, I can't wait to literally find you.
I'm getting online. How do people find you?
Josh Deane (26:37):
So you can find me on Instagram, @ joshdeaneofficial, or my website, byjoshdeane. com.
Mundanara Bayles (26:43):
I can't wait to literally get home, get online, and I'm
sure all you mob are already on there now trying
to find out who this fella is. If you're... What, do you hang around
Melbourne? How far are you from the CBD?
Josh Deane (26:56):
Yeah, so I'm off Chapel Street. I actually just finished
a mural yesterday on Chapel Street, a big NAIDOC mural.
So big elder, giant Aboriginal flag with Waa, the crow,
flying through it. So that's on the corner of Grosvenor
and Chapel Street. If you want to check out some
of my art, it's there, grab a photo, give me
a tag.
Mundanara Bayles (27:13):
Too deadly. So it's NAIDOC Week and we're celebrating Black
businesses, supported by Supply Nation and Kinaway, here at ANZ
Docklands, the headquarters. There's so much going on here. So
my brother, I know people have been lining up and
talking to you and I finally got five minutes with
you, so thank you for giving me an opportunity to
have a yarn with you.
Josh Deane (27:34):
Absolute pleasure. Thanks so much for having me.
Mundanara Bayles (27:36):
Too deadly.
Josh Deane (27:36):
Cheers. Keep the fire burning.
Mundanara Bayles (27:37):
I can't wait. Thank you. You're not going to believe
who I just ran into. I've got the founder of
Dreamtime Range, Sara Stuart, here on the couch with me.
I always buy pajamas wherever I go. And I'm a
sucker for Peter Alexander. But I'm telling you now, after
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feeling... I don't like buying online, I like feeling clothes,
and then I kind of go... And also I love
connecting with people and understanding people's story. So sis, before
we go straight into it, and you're going to tell us a
bit about your mob and where you grew up, I
grabbed this to just show people some of the designs
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before they go onto your Insta. But I grabbed the
blue pair and you said this represents women in business.
Sara Stuart (28:27):
Women in business.
Mundanara Bayles (28:28):
And so for people that don't know you and never heard
of this business, sis, can you please tell our listeners
and viewers on YouTube a little bit about yourself and how you
came up with this amazing business?
Sara Stuart (28:40):
Yeah, sure. So I'm Sara Stuart. I'm a proud Gamilaroi
woman from Northern New South Wales. I'm a mum of
four. I have been in business for over 20 years.
And I was also sick of buying Peter Alexander pajamas for
myself and all my children. Not that there's anything wrong
with it.
Mundanara Bayles (28:58):
No, they're nice.
Sara Stuart (28:59):
They're lovely.
Mundanara Bayles (28:59):
But we could be supporting our own mob.
Sara Stuart (29:02):
Yeah, I wanted something ethically sourced, connecting to culture, sparking
a conversation. But I also wanted something that I could
put a blazer on, put a pair of heels on
and go to work comfy every day. And so we
designed Dreamtime Range around that. We work with up- and-
coming Aboriginal artists from all over Australia to help use
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our platform and my platform to basically bring them into
the corporate world. So we've launched on Monday, Dreamtime Range, together.
Mundanara Bayles (29:30):
Big congratulations.
Sara Stuart (29:31):
Very excited. It's a dream come true.
Mundanara Bayles (29:33):
It's not easy.
Sara Stuart (29:34):
Oh, my goodness. I have businesses obviously, and I thought, "
How hard can this be?" I have run business for
20 years. I'm a mum. I can multitask like the
best of them. Oh, my goodness. Never in my life
did I think that there was that much to a
fashion line. Down to ethically sourcing, the eco- friendliness, your
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packaging, even down to where and how and who you're
connecting with because that's your brand. So ours are ethically
made in Sri Lanka, designed here in Naarm, the pattern, but
also, as I said, this first pattern is by Sheri
from Bigi Nagala. So look her up, I'm happy to send
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you the link.
Mundanara Bayles (30:21):
Definitely. We'll have it in the show notes.
Sara Stuart (30:23):
As you saw, blue, Women in Business, representing all of
us amazing boss women. And showing the young people coming
through and our daughters that, you know what? It doesn't
matter what you want to do, if you want to
do it, have a go. The pattern you've got over
there, that represents, We Are One. So it represents that
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Mother Earth doesn't discriminate no matter where we come from
and the color of our skin. And together we can
unite and create a truly reconciled as one. So that's
the hope, that we're not sitting here in 20 years
having this same conversation that our daughters and our sons
aren't sitting here having this same conversation. Let's get our
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culture out there. Let's get it in your face. Let's
talk about it in a safe way and let's bring
our culture and our history to your dreams.
Mundanara Bayles (31:15):
I love the fact that your goal is to create
these chic and distinct fashion pieces that initiate discussions about
culture. This is NAIDOC Week, this is an opportunity for all Australians to go
and actually immerse yourself in community, amongst Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. But
actually kind of feel what we feel, that pride, when
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we talk about our culture, our country, our connections with each
other. It's not just all dot paintings and didgeridoos, there's
so much more to us that most people have missed
out on. So grabbing yourself a beautiful piece of fashion,
getting some pajamas, is also an opportunity to have these conversations.
Sara Stuart (32:02):
It is. And they're so important, these conversations. Not just for
now but for the future. So that next generation comes
through can actually see that it doesn't matter what you
want to be or where you come from or what
life has served you up. I'm a ward of the
state and I sit here now as a business owner,
a mum, breaking the cycle one business at a time.
(32:24):
But more importantly, showing my kids that you can stand
up, be proud, wear your culture, talk about it. And
it doesn't matter whether you get knocked down, just get
back up and keep going.
Mundanara Bayles (32:39):
And when you got strong, deadly Black women in our
community, that's also holding us. Especially in the business community,
there's not many Black women-
Sara Stuart (32:47):
No, there's not.
Mundanara Bayles (32:47):
... that are front and center. There's some joint ventures, there's some
family businesses, but there's not many just Black women front
and center. So sis, we need to stay in touch.
Sara Stuart (32:58):
We do.
Mundanara Bayles (32:59):
We were meant to see each other again. And I
cannot wait to get Tigerlily to model these and share
on Instagram. So I'm telling you now, I'm definitely, definitely
hooked. You've got to feel them, you've got to touch
them. And if you don't get a chance to do
that, just trust me.
Sara Stuart (33:18):
They feel beautiful. We've got 100% silk lines, but we've
also got 100% viscose. So they're not going to shrink. They're not going
to feel that strawy feeling. They're beautiful. I wear them.
I wear them to work. My kids wear them. My
partner wears them.
Mundanara Bayles (33:36):
Right. Well, I think I need to get myself some pants.
Sara Stuart (33:39):
Yes.
Mundanara Bayles (33:39):
Watch this space everyone. So get onto...
Sara Stuart (33:42):
dreamtimerange. com. au. We're on Insta, we're on LinkedIn and
get behind us and support us.
Mundanara Bayles (33:48):
Too deadly. Well, happy NAIDOC Week and thanks so much for
coming here and giving me a couple of minutes of
your time.
Sara Stuart (33:53):
Thanks. Happy NAIDOC Week.
Mundanara Bayles (33:54):
I literally just got back from Teena Oudy's store. It
is unbelievable in terms of the chocolate. I've got to
literally show you this, and I'm leaving my mic just
so I can go grab the other block of chocolate,
if you're listening and not watching this on YouTube. I
started off with The Brittle Life, and I'm not joking,
(34:18):
I'm not really into crunchy peanut brittle, but I thought
I would try it anyways. I always stick with just
milk chocolate. So my sister, can I just say this
chocolate is amazing.
Teena Oudy (34:29):
Thank you.
Mundanara Bayles (34:30):
It's obviously your business.
Teena Oudy (34:31):
Yep.
Mundanara Bayles (34:32):
Can you share with my listeners and also viewers on
YouTube a little bit about, well yourself first and then tell
me about this amazing business.
Teena Oudy (34:41):
Yeah, absolutely.
Mundanara Bayles (34:42):
And I'm going to eat the chocolate if you don't
mind, and listen to you. So I'm about to open
this one up.
Teena Oudy (34:50):
You can give me some feedback while we're chatting.
Mundanara Bayles (34:53):
That's easy.
Teena Oudy (34:53):
Yeah, absolutely. So about myself, I'm Kamilaroi, proud Kamilaroi woman. My grandmother
was born in Wee Waa, Northern New South Wales. Recently
only found my family history of the Indigenous side. We always
knew it, but it was very hard to trace back.
And then, I'm a pastry chef, chocolatier by trade. Went
(35:14):
back to school when I was 45 and decided to
become a pastry chef. So yeah, seven years later and
I'm loving it.
Mundanara Bayles (35:21):
And now from pastry to chocolate. Are you still doing pastry?
Teena Oudy (35:26):
Yes, on the side.
Mundanara Bayles (35:27):
On the side. But tell us what made you go
into chocolate. It is such a tough market.
Teena Oudy (35:34):
It is, absolutely.
Mundanara Bayles (35:35):
Everyone is doing chocolate. What would you say in terms of what
makes your chocolate different?
Teena Oudy (35:39):
So there's a lot of craft chocolate makers out there.
I'm different because I really enjoy that experimentational stage of
making the products and really working out what flavors go
with each other. I think that's where my passion lies,
and that's why I have so many skews. Yes, I
need to cull a few, but you know...
Mundanara Bayles (35:58):
What is your number one seller?
Teena Oudy (36:01):
So I have four different product ranges. So I have an
OG range, a vegan range, my natives, and then I
have a range that I call Here for a good
time, not for a long time, which I chop and
change all the time. Every one, two months, I bring
out a new bar strictly for a month only. And
so there's quite a few, Salty Feels, Biscoff Your Face.
(36:22):
Wattle Seed Dreaming is a really popular one. My vegan bars
are extremely popular. A lot of people are vegan, not
just for food, but ethical reasons as well. So that's
a big point of difference for my business.
Mundanara Bayles (36:35):
And you're here based in Melbourne?
Teena Oudy (36:38):
Yeah, absolutely. Moving from Preston to Coburg.
Mundanara Bayles (36:40):
Okay. And how do people normally find you? Where are
your clients? How do you get customers?
Teena Oudy (36:46):
Yeah, absolutely. So more social media. So Instagram is my main go-
to page. I'll be honest, I'm a bit slack with
Facebook and the others. I'm getting there. Everything takes a
lot of time and energy. So Instagram, number one. And
then I decided once I started doing the business, I've got to put
myself out there. So Supply Nation and Kinaway shows and
(37:08):
local markets and fairs and trade shows. Yeah, I'm basically
at every one of them now.
Mundanara Bayles (37:13):
Excellent. And tell me just a little bit about in
the business, have you got children, hubby, you got mum
working? Is there anyone else that's supporting you or this is
just a one woman show?
Teena Oudy (37:25):
Well, it was a one...
Mundanara Bayles (37:26):
It starts off that way.
Teena Oudy (37:28):
It does start off that way. Unfortunately, I have really
bad joints in my hands, so I have my kids
help me, adult children, which is great. My husband's very
supportive and the kids. So yeah, if I need help,
they're like, " Mum, what can we do?"
Mundanara Bayles (37:40):
Isn't it amazing though that we actually can bring our kids-
Teena Oudy (37:43):
Oh, I love it.
Mundanara Bayles (37:43):
... into our business. I love seeing other women. Other women-
Teena Oudy (37:49):
It's very empowering.
Mundanara Bayles (37:49):
... give business a crack and have a family and
do both. Why not?
Teena Oudy (37:54):
Absolutely. We always had a business, in the clothing business
20 years ago. So wherever I went, my kids went
with me. That was just what I had to do.
If I went to work, my kids came too. So
I think you just carry that through your life and
go about your work and just do what you got
to do basically. That's what I tell my kids. People say, "
How do you do it?" I'm like, "I don't know. I
just do it. I do it because I got to
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do it."
Mundanara Bayles (38:16):
When you wake up every day, usually with a passion and a
purpose. And also that the impact that we're having, especially
on our families and communities. And we're leading the way
as business owners, where a lot of other people might
not have ever thought that they could go into business.
Teena Oudy (38:34):
Absolutely.
Mundanara Bayles (38:34):
So you've gone from, did you say clothing before?
Teena Oudy (38:37):
Clothing attire, to going back to school at 45, studying to be a
pastry chef, chocolatier. Yeah, so I had a job as
chocolatier before Covid, and then unfortunately lost my job towards the
end of Covid. Took about a year to get up
and running, find a kitchen, got registered, blah, blah, blah.
And then, yeah.
Mundanara Bayles (38:55):
And look, we're here on this couch.
Teena Oudy (38:56):
I wouldn't believe it.
Mundanara Bayles (38:58):
And you're on the Black Magic Woman podcast talking about
this amazing chocolate. Literally, you've got to get on Instagram,
find this chocolate, buy some. You will not regret it.
Teena Oudy (39:08):
Thank you.
Mundanara Bayles (39:09):
Well, thank you so much for making time to come
over and say hello.
Teena Oudy (39:11):
Thank you. No, thank you.
Mundanara Bayles (39:13):
How deadly was that? Oh, my God. Literally when I
was yarning to sister, Emma Bamblett, and talking to her about
having a shopfront, then having mob- only workshops come in
and to learn about culture, to do weaving, to pass
on very important cultural stories and knowledge. I just literally,
(39:37):
just from having a yarn with her, to hear about
what they've been doing. Make sure you visit them if
you're ever in Melbourne, get out to Preston. And those
pajamas, OMG, Sara, with your beautiful pajamas. I'm now one
of your biggest supporters, biggest fans, and you're only a
couple of weeks in business. But I know, sis, you've
(39:57):
been doing this for a long time. And how incredible
was auntie there? Chana, I absolutely loved her lip balm.
I've been wearing it ever since. And of course, how
can I forget the Quandong Cream? So look, that's a wrap
up of the amazing Indigenous business marketplace here at ANZ to
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celebrate NAIDOC Week. Thank you so much for listening. I
hope you've enjoyed this episode. Until next time, bye for now.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
If you'd like to know more about how ANZ can help
improve your financial wellbeing or help you start, run, or
grow your business, visit anz. com or call 131314.
Mundanara Bayles (40:40):
A big shout- out to all you deadly mob and allies
who continue to listen, watch and support our podcast. Your
feedback means the world. You can rate and review the
podcast on Apple and Spotify, or even head to our
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