Empty Halls, Full Ledgers: How Scientology Still Brings In Cash - Secrets of Scientology #3 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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SPEAKER_00 (00:26):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofBlown for Good, Scientology
Exposed.
I am joined today by my lovelywife, Claire.

SPEAKER_03 (00:35):
Hey, hey, hey.
Thanks for joining us this fineSaturday.

SPEAKER_00 (00:39):
We have a uh we have a great show for you today.
Um today we're gonna talk aboutScientology and how they make
money on actual doingScientology stuff.
A lot of people wonder like, ifthey have uh lowering membership
and all these other things, theycan't get people into their
organizations, then how are theystill making money?

SPEAKER_05 (01:02):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03):
And um in most Scientology organizations, they
deliver, like in a majority,that let's say they have 250
organizations worldwide.
That's in every country, everystate of the United States,
wherever they have organizationsthat do Scientology counseling

(01:24):
or Scientology courses.
You can do like they have awhole bunch of introductory
courses that are probably like afew hundred bucks each.
And then they have like courseswhere you learn how to do the
counseling.
And and the introductorycourses, almost all of them
could be done in like a day ortwo.

SPEAKER_05 (01:42):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:43):
And it's just 150 bucks or a hundred bucks or
whatever it is.
I don't know what it they'rethey're different prices for
different ones, but they're itwas in that ballpark when we
were there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52):
And then also since we got out, they added um they
made a a much bigger program outof extension courses to go with
all the books.
Those are also um pretty, youknow, low-cost uh introductory
things that you can do.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (02:10):
Um and in a lot of cases, somebody could come in
and do one of those introductorycourses and then leave
Scientology and never come backever again.
They go like, oh, this is abunch of mumbo jumbo.
I'm not gonna do this.

SPEAKER_05 (02:21):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (02:23):
Okay, so they've got the introductory courses and
then they've got these courseswhere you learn how to study the
student hat.
They have a course where youlearn how to be a Scientologist
and you read a little bit a bitabout this, you get somebody to
buy a Dianetics book, you dosome introductory counseling on

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somebody.
Excuse me.
That's called the HQS, theHubbard Qualified Scientologist
course.
And that course could take youif you oh, that's the other
thing.
When you go to a Scientologyorganization and you do courses,
you go for two and a half hoursa day.

SPEAKER_05 (03:02):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (03:02):
So like set let's say you work nine to five, you
get off work, you eat dinner,you show up at the organization
at like seven o'clock, I thinkis when study time starts at a
regular organization.

SPEAKER_03 (03:16):
Yes, seven to nine thirty.
So so because any civilianScientologist during the time
that they're enrolled on acourse in Scientology are
required to do a minimum oftwelve and a half hours study
per week.

SPEAKER_00 (03:29):
Aaron Powell That's right.
So if you go five days, two anda half hours, that's that's
where you get your 12 and a halfhours.

SPEAKER_05 (03:36):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (03:37):
So if somebody is at an organization and they're
doing these courses, they'rebasically studying little over
12 hours a week.
And in 12 hours, you couldeasily do one or two of those
extension courses.

SPEAKER_05 (03:52):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (03:53):
And it might take you might take you a few weeks
to do like one of these biggercourses, like the HQS or the
student hat, or those coursesmight take you longer.

SPEAKER_05 (04:04):
Correct.

SPEAKER_00 (04:06):
And then um then when you learn how when you're
learning how to do thecounseling, that's called grade
zero, grade one, grade two, andso on and so forth.
And those courses could take amonth or two if you're just
going two and a half hours aday.
It could take you a few monthsto get through one of these
counseling courses.

SPEAKER_03 (04:24):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (04:25):
What are you smiling about?
What's going on over here?

SPEAKER_03 (04:27):
Trev says I should do a clay demo of my on-off
switch.
Apparently, my audio is notworking.

SPEAKER_00 (04:34):
What?
What are you doing?

SPEAKER_03 (04:37):
Oh dear.
I'll pass on the clay demo.
Not gonna have oh, there we go.
That's much better.
Please confirm it.
Clara says yes.
Gonna hopefully we didn't justblow the ears out with uh Oh
jeez.
Sorry, that was some insidehumor for us, courtesy of
Trevenon.

SPEAKER_00 (04:57):
Anyway, sorry about that, guys.
Well, at least you could havesaid something and I could have
fixed it way earlier.
Snickering over there.

SPEAKER_03 (05:05):
Well, you you got the message.
It clearly worked.
You you picked up what I wasputting out.

SPEAKER_01 (05:09):
I know, because I'm trying to have a conversation
here and you just keep smilingweird at me.

SPEAKER_03 (05:14):
That's what I get for taking a week off, folks.
A bunch of nonsense.

SPEAKER_00 (05:18):
Okay.
Anyway.
So if if you are running aScientology organization and
you're trying to make money, yougot to get people through these
courses as fast as possible.

SPEAKER_03 (05:31):
Yes.
Um, and Because also thestatistics are not based on um,
you know, I mean, yes, there'sbodies in the shop, which is
the, you know, that's onestatistic, but the statistic for
the main production areas of theorganization.

SPEAKER_00 (05:46):
Like how you just skipped over that.
There is an actual statistic inScientology.

SPEAKER_03 (05:50):
Bodies.

SPEAKER_00 (05:51):
Which is called bodies in the shop, which just
means just warm people in yourorganization.

SPEAKER_03 (05:56):
Aaron Powell Yeah, it's called BIS, not to be
confused with BIs, by the way,which is bad indicators.
I mean, they're talk aboutgetting your acronyms in a
twist.

SPEAKER_00 (06:05):
Anyway, so the idea is that you've got to do a lot
of training and a lot ofcounseling to make money as a
Scientology organization.
And the way, let's just say theorganization makes$100,000 in a
week.
The way Hubbard's finance policyis laid out is that money is

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basically all accounted for whenit comes in.
A certain percentage goes tothis.
They have a thing that's calledFP number one, financial
planning number one.
And part of their FP number oneis they have like a preset
amount of what allocations tocertain things we should do as a
general rule.

(06:47):
Oh my God, with the smiling.
Now what?

unknown (06:50):
Nothing.

SPEAKER_03 (06:50):
I'm just enjoying the chat for today.
Okay.
We're talking about B I S, BI's, and then someone says not
to be confused with B S.
Sorry, my bad.
I'll stay focused, honey.
Sorry to distract you there.

SPEAKER_00 (07:06):
Okay.
Anyway, it's gonna take themforever to get through this,
guys, if we keep having tointerrupt every one minute.

SPEAKER_05 (07:12):
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (07:13):
Um anyway.
So you're making money, you make$100,000 as a Scientology
organization.
There they have preset amountsthat have to go to cover certain
things.
We like we gotta payelectricity, we gotta pay the
heat bill, you gotta pay thewater bill, the utilities.
If they have internet, you gottapay internet, you gotta pay

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phones.

SPEAKER_03 (07:36):
You gotta spend all the money on the promo and
marketing materials to bombpeople with mail, uh, which is
one of the most common questionswe get is how to get off those
mailing lists because they sendstacks and stacks and stacks of
mail out.

SPEAKER_00 (07:50):
Aaron Ross Powell Yeah.
So they have all these presetthings.
And then they also have to givea certain amount of money to
management.
They have to send a certainamount up the line.
They don't just they can't justspend all the money there.
They got to send the money up.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_05 (08:07):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (08:08):
In a lot of cases, in the new organizations, uh,
these ideal organizations, inmost cases, Scientology
International, or what's calledthe International Landlord, they
have purchased the building thatthe organization is in.
So instead of paying rent to thelandlord, they pay their rent to
the international landlord inScientology.

(08:31):
And so they've got to pay thatamount.
They're basically like afranchise.
An organization is essentiallyif you had like uh if you owned
a bunch of McDonald's, you'vegot to think of it like that.
They have to follow theScientology organization.
They have to do whatever themothership tells them to do.
They can't just do rogue stuff.
They if there's a certainpromotional campaign or certain

(08:54):
things, they gotta do all thethings that the mother church is
telling them to do.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_05 (08:58):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (08:59):
Okay.
So at the end of the day, inmost cases, they're just barely
going into debt or or not indebt or not lowering their debt
or not ra they're just kind ofmaybe slowly raising their debt
as one of these Scientologyorganizations.

(09:20):
Because they're not gettingenough people into Scientology
to pay for all the things theypay for.
Now, at the same time,international management is like
a cash furnace.
They burn money.
Golden Air Productions just liketaking trash cans full of cash
and just pouring it into theoven.

(09:40):
They just into the fire pit.

unknown (09:42):
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 (09:42):
But the top of the pile is David Miscavige.

SPEAKER_00 (09:44):
Well, yeah, and RTC and CMON.
These guys are all spendingmoney, but they're not doing any
delivering any Scientologyservices or they're not so they
don't have any.

SPEAKER_03 (09:54):
And they're not wedging money in.

SPEAKER_00 (09:56):
Yeah, they're not trying to get new people and
they're not going to people andsaying, give me a bunch of money
as a donation.
So they just suck the moneydown.

SPEAKER_05 (10:04):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (10:05):
And a lot of it.
Because they're they have a500-acre property that they're
on.
And the elect the electricityfor the international base is a
$300,000 a month in thesummertime.
$300,000 for the electrical billfor the international
headquarters.
It makes makes no sense why theyhaven't set up just an insane

(10:27):
amount of solar at thatproperty.
They have hundreds and hundredshundreds of acres.
They could literally make thatwhole property just run off of
that.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 (10:34):
Why be logical when you have money to burn?

SPEAKER_00 (10:36):
Aaron Powell Anyway, they burn a lot of money, so
they rely on the money from theorganizations to be able to pay
their bills.
Now and then also from all themoney that gets sent in from all
of the different organizations,like let's say they get in,
we'll use a good figure, the amillion dollars from all of

(11:00):
these 250 organizationscombined.
Let's say they get a milliondollars in.
Well, they got to pay that$300,000 electric bill, and they
got to pay all the promotion andjunk mail costs that they do.
International management isprinting books and flyers and
cassettes and CDs and DVDs.
They're doing everything.

(11:21):
And they're spending money ondoing that.
So that money that's got to beaccounted for.

SPEAKER_03 (11:25):
Right.
And and of course, theinternational events are no
small.

SPEAKER_00 (11:31):
That's a million dollars for one event.
That's a million dollars.
So Scientology does spend a lotof money in relation to the
amount of money that they make.
Okay.
So and this we're gonna thewe're gonna give you an example
of this at the end.
But when we were there in from1990 to 2005, traditionally all

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of the organizations besides theflag land base barely make up
enough money to just coverthemselves.
So it's basically a wash at theend.
The amount they're making eitherbarely covers or doesn't cover
their local nut, and the amountthat they're setting to

(12:15):
management is very minimal.

SPEAKER_03 (12:17):
Right.
In fact, in the early 2000s, umsome of the events that preceded
the ideal org strategy or idleorg strategy by David Miscavige
was the fact that it was apretty common occurrence for
organizations in in at lowerlevels to get eviction notices.

(12:40):
Oh, yeah.
Like Amy Scobie has told thestory about when she was over
all Scientology orgs, she had tocome up with$5,000 to abate an
eviction notice for anorganization.

SPEAKER_00 (12:53):
Yeah.
So yes, that is true.
And that is why Scientologyswitched it over to Scientology
management will buy purchase thebuilding they're in, and then
they'll have to pay them.
Scientology will just be payingitself rent.

SPEAKER_03 (13:07):
Aaron Ross Powell Right.
And not only that, but it alsoopened up the strategy of, oh, I
know, let's get all the localmillionaires to pay for said
building so they don't even haveto spend money.

SPEAKER_00 (13:16):
Trevor Burrus, yeah.
So we're gonna get to that.
So basically all of theorganizations besides the flag
land base, they don't reallycontribute to anything.
They're doing their thing andthey're delivering whatever they
deliver, and then whateverlittle amount they can send to
management, they send tomanagement.

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But at the flag land base, theyhave basically a machine set up
there to jam as many peoplethrough and get as much money
out of those people as humanlypossible.
So if you're a Scientologist andyou live in Michigan and you go
to the Flag Land Base to docourses and Scientology courses

(14:01):
and counseling, you're spendingtens of thousands, if not
hundreds of thousands of dollarswhile you're at that property.
It could be for a few months,could be a few for a few weeks.
They're getting at least tens ofthousands of dollars out of you.

SPEAKER_05 (14:16):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (14:17):
And so traditionally, the flag land
base itself, the the just thebuildings in Clearwater,
Florida, they're making one totwo million dollars a week at
that one location.
And that amount is what fundsmost of international management

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and all of the office of specialaffairs that are the Dirty
Tricks Department thatperpetrated the largest
infiltration into the UnitedStates government in history.
Um that organization, um the oneorganization in Florida is
paying for everything.

unknown (14:56):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (14:56):
And if they make two and a half million, then there's
a little bit of play money thatcan go to what's called C org
reserves.
And that amount of money iseverything's paid for, and now
we can send$100,000 to C orgreserves.
And every week something has togo to C org reserves.

SPEAKER_03 (15:18):
Right.
Because reserves always has toincrease, never decrease.

SPEAKER_00 (15:22):
That's right.
So and then basically thatorganization, the one in
Clearwater, is the onlyprofitable one consistently
everywhere else.
And and David Miscavige hastold, explain this to us and how
this works hundreds of times.

(15:44):
Right.
In meetings and stuff.
He goes, people like people willbe like, oh, we're gonna do this
for this org.
And he's like, Why are youfocusing on that org?
Flag is the only organizationthat r makes a profit.
Right.
So we need to concentrate onthat location, not anywhere
else.
Which is kind of weird becauseyou think if that's the only one
that's profitable, then weshould focus on the rest of them

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to make them profitable, not onthe one that's already making
money.
Yeah, no, you would just focusmore.

SPEAKER_03 (16:12):
Like you reminded me of the time there was a time in
1996, I want to say, that uh oneof the top registrars, so the
person who brings in money uhand gets money from the public
into Flag was Sonia Jakes.
I think that's how you say herlast name.
Anyhow, David Miscavige, she hadhad a highest ever week.
So David Miscavige gifted her, Iwant to say it was like a$50,000

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watch.
It was so expensive that he alsoinsisted that uh an insurance
policy be taken out on her arm.

SPEAKER_00 (16:44):
That's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 (16:46):
Of course it is.

SPEAKER_00 (16:48):
Anyway, that's crazy.
Okay, so in the overall schemeof things, Flag is the only
place where people are doing alot of sa Scientology stuff.
And I was thinking about thisearly this week, and then Tony
Ortega did this our article.

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Let me see if I can bring it uphere.
Okay, so he says League Stats,just how slow is a Scientology
ideal org these days.
So this is a new organizationthat is in Ventura, California.
Yep.
Right off right on the coast ofCalifornia.

SPEAKER_05 (17:24):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (17:25):
And um it's basically like north of Malibu.

SPEAKER_03 (17:30):
Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (17:31):
Ventura County, as I think.

SPEAKER_03 (17:32):
Yeah, south of San Francisco, but north of LA.

SPEAKER_00 (17:36):
Yeah.
Well, it's way south of SanFrancisco.

SPEAKER_03 (17:38):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (17:39):
Okay.
Anyway, that's where it is.
Um but he what he did was he hada they have like these
publications.
There's a picture of it, you cansee.
I think that's the 101.
Um anyway, there is a listing.
They have like a little uhlittle sheet that goes out, a
little newsletter that says whocompleted what courses.

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Instead of trying to read allthis, because it's not that easy
to read and the font and allthat good stuff, we just made it
into a graphic.
Thank you, Clara.

SPEAKER_04 (18:07):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (18:08):
Um anyway, so you can see at the top it says
processing expanded grade zerocommunication release.
So this is somebody that wasreceiving counseling.
Yes.
And from the way that the ohJesus.
From the way that the um this isstructured, it seems like this
this this woman, Elaine White,was getting full-time

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counseling.

SPEAKER_03 (18:31):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (18:32):
So she completed grade zero, grade one, grade
two, grade three.

SPEAKER_03 (18:35):
Ellen is clearly on the fast track to get onto the
OT levels.

SPEAKER_00 (18:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (18:39):
And this is factor in, that's this is everything
from that huge building you justshowed.

SPEAKER_00 (18:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (18:45):
For like the last couple of months.

SPEAKER_00 (18:46):
Yeah, for two months.
This is their list for two.
Yeah, this is their list for twomonths.
Oh, I gotta put me on there.

SPEAKER_03 (18:52):
Yeah, there you go.
Okay, so yeah, the only twopeople got the grades.

SPEAKER_00 (18:59):
That's right.
So now this is what I want.
I want to read all these andthen we'll we'll kind of show in
proportion how that should allwork out.

SPEAKER_05 (19:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (19:06):
Um, and training, professional meeting meteoring
course.
Now, this course could take youa few months to do this
professional media course.
And so one guy completed that.
Success through communicationcourse, Mike Lamb.
Now, this course you couldprobably do in two days, two or
three days.

SPEAKER_03 (19:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (19:25):
Of two and a half hours, you could do it in two or
three days.

SPEAKER_03 (19:28):
Definitely.
It's an introductory course.
So yeah, you're basically justrunning through, you know, the
beginning like lower level ofthe training routines, the TRs.
Yeah, just like you don't haveto do a two-hour pass on facing
somebody just looking at themfor however many tens of hours

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until you don't flinch or blinkor you know, fall asleep, or
look away, or scratch your head,or any of that stuff.
So this is just baby level TRs,basically, successful
communication course.
So you want me to give mycontext of Mike Lamb now?

SPEAKER_00 (20:04):
So when I pulled up this thing and I was getting
ready for this, Claire says, Iknow Mike Lamb.
And I'm like, what?

SPEAKER_03 (20:12):
Yes.
So um my stepdad was theexecutive director of the
Beverly Hills mission fromstarting in 1989 until 2011 or
whatever.
The Beverly Hills.

SPEAKER_00 (20:28):
The Beverly Hills mission is uh like a baby org.
It's the they can only dointroductory counseling and
introductory courses at amission.
That's all they can do.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 (20:39):
Yes.
So in 1989, when I was 14 yearsold, um I twinned with Mike
Lamb, meaning I he and I did acourse together, which was the
PTS potential trouble source andsuppressive person, PTSP course.
I was uh twinned with Mike Lamb.
He's a surfer.
He was also featured on thecover of Celebrity Magazine

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right around that time.

SPEAKER_00 (21:01):
Um but the point is now so how many years ago was
that?

SPEAKER_03 (21:06):
You know, uh 25, almost, you know, so this was
89, 26 years ago, 27 years ago.
And now he's back doing thesuccess through communication.

SPEAKER_00 (21:18):
Which is a course that you would do before the
course that you did with him 29years ago.

SPEAKER_03 (21:22):
Absolutely.
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (21:24):
Or 28 years ago, or what at 27 years ago?

SPEAKER_03 (21:26):
Yeah.
Okay, so it just highlights andis a good example of how even
though, even as wimpy as thislooks, many of these people are
probably doing these things overagain.
They're not new Scientologists.

SPEAKER_00 (21:40):
Not all of them.

SPEAKER_03 (21:41):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (21:42):
Okay, then you've got um the Hubbard Dynetics
seminar.
Laura did that one.
And then there's a bunch of lifeScientology life improvement
courses.
So again, all of these ones arecourses that you could do in a
couple of days.

SPEAKER_03 (21:56):
Right.
And we have a couple of repeatcustomers there too, like Laura
finished.
Life improvement course as well.
In addition to the dianeticsseminar, which is basically like
one to two days.
Yeah, the seminar course, I wantto say, don't you just literally
read not even the whole ofDianetics, the modern science of

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mental health.
You just read certain sectionsof it, and it teaches you how to
do introductory, what's calledbook one auditing, but without
an e-meter, just likeface-to-face.
Yeah.
Uh, you know, recall a moment ofum unconsciousness or recall a
moment of pain, you know,whatever, and then like using
running running out engrams, butwithout an e-meter.

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So that's what you learn on theHubbard Dianetic Seminar.
It's really, reallyintroductory.

SPEAKER_00 (22:44):
Okay.
And then you get into thiswhat's called the gull golden
age of knowledge.
And that's a new thing thatMiscavige invented, where he
basically revamped all ofHubbard's courses and
rearranged.

SPEAKER_03 (22:58):
He literally did invent it.

SPEAKER_00 (22:59):
It's nowhere in the Well, no, in policy, there's a
this will be a golden age, buthe doesn't say of knowledge.
Yeah.
Anyway.

SPEAKER_03 (23:09):
It wasn't a target on a program from Elrin Hubbard.
That's for damn sure.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 (23:13):
Yeah.
So one guy read Dianetics.
There's a Dianetics, I guessyou'd read it and do a course
with it.
He did that.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
Two people.
Jason's two.
Two people did that.
Then there's some other uh theScientology 8808, the
Philadelphia Doctorate CourseLectures.
That's I want to say, is it 75lectures, PDC?

SPEAKER_03 (23:35):
I think so.

SPEAKER_00 (23:36):
So a whole bunch of L.
Ron Hubbard lectures you have tolisten to.
So let's say that one probablycould have taken a few months to
listen to 70 lectures from L.
Ron Hubbard.
They're an hour to and changeeach.
Um so that's a that's a littlebit.
Um and then there's anotherDianetics, Dianetics 55 and the

(23:57):
Unification Congress book andlectures.
Yeah, so basically, when DavidMiscavige did this golden age of
golden age of knowledge thing,he basically just bundled an L.
Ron Hubbard book with an L.
Ron Hubbard lecture series, andyou do both of them at the same
time.
You read both and you listen toboth.
Then there's another lectureseries, handbook for pre-clears,

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a bunch of other differentthings.
But almost all of these things,the command of theta lectures,
gosh, I can't even touch thisthing without it going forward.
The command of theta lectures,um, it's just a bunch of it's
just a a handful of lecturesthat L.
Run Hubbard did.
You just listen to them and thenyou demonstrate concepts that he
talked about in the lectures.

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Um the way to happiness course,that's a that's a throwaway.
I can't even imagine how that'sa not an introductory course.

SPEAKER_03 (24:49):
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Because the way to happinesstakes 15 minutes to read.
And you probably have to do aclay demonstration of each of
the precepts.

SPEAKER_00 (24:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (24:57):
Uh the 21 precepts of the way to happiness.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 (25:01):
Yeah.
And so almost all of these, diuh Dianetics, the original
thesis, that's a very small umbook.
Um Second American ACC, that'sjust a bunch of lectures.
Dianetics 55, again, anothersmall book.
Um ACC, these are called likeAmerican Clearing Congress is
what ACC stands for.
But um almost all of these arejust a small book or some

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lectures are what these peopledid, which almost all these
could be done within a few days.

SPEAKER_05 (25:30):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (25:31):
Now, when I was young in the late 80s, I my mom
and my uh my mom basicallyinsisted that my sister and I go
on some do Scientology coursesat night after school.
And we went to this place calledthe Advanced Organization of Los
Angeles, and it's right in thatcluster of those big blue

(25:52):
buildings down in Hollywood inCalifornia.
These amount of completions arewhat they would get in three to
four days or a week at thatorganization at that time.
If if they got less than thisover a couple of days, they'd be
in trouble at that place.

SPEAKER_03 (26:13):
Yeah.
I mean, because you'd have likeeasily what one to two hundred
people on course during thatseven to nine thirty.

SPEAKER_00 (26:20):
At least a hundred people.
Roll call would take fifteenminutes.

unknown (26:24):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (26:25):
Because the way they do Scientology courses at the
beginning of the course.
Oh, I'm just all over the placetoday.
Yeah.
Um at the beginning of thecourse, they would list off
everybody's name.
They would do a roll call.
They'd be like, okay.
And they would read your fullname.
So you you'd know every singleperson that was on course
because every night you hearevery single one of these

(26:47):
hundred names read off.
Yes.
And if you're there, you say Ior here.
And and then if there's noanswer, they make a little note
like, okay, Claire's not here toabsent will be sent to ethics.

Trevor Burrus, Jr. (26:59):
Go check on her and find out what she's up
to.
Um they do the same thing ifyou're in the Sea Org and you go
to course every day.
They do the same thing.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 (27:08):
Except in in the Sea Org.
Uh for the senior people, theysay they don't say your full
name.

SPEAKER_00 (27:14):
They just are lower than you.
Yes.
Which there weren't anybody inRTC doing course supervising.
So you they were you were alwayshigher.
Yeah.
Okay.
So why do I say this?
Because this is why theseorganizations are going into

(27:36):
debt and not supportinganything, is because this one
organization, and this is abrand new facility with course
rooms after course rooms aftercourse rooms, these people could
have fit all at one table in onecourse room, the amount of
people that are doing stuff atthis place.

SPEAKER_05 (27:53):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (27:53):
So they are basically empty, like bone-dry
empty.
Let me put back to this one.
And that is why they're notmaking any money and they're
they're not getting anybody in.
And the people that they aregetting in are doing these one
to two hour, three, four-hourcourses, and then they're

(28:14):
probably like, okay, GTFO.
And so they're trying to getpeople that are already in being
like, hey, you need to come backand um do this course again.

SPEAKER_05 (28:23):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (28:24):
And as a statistic to show that you're getting
somebody in.
The other thing that a lot ofScientology organizations have a
problem with is they have gotpeople and said, hey, listen, I
want you to pay for everythingup to clear, all of the courses
that you'd have to do andauditing and counseling you have
to do to get up to clear.

(28:45):
And so they'll say, okay, here's$75,000.
They take that$75,000, theyspend it that week.
It's spent, it's gone.
But they have$75,000 worth ofservices to l to deliver to this
person.
Yep.
And that person could be doingthose for a year.
They could be on course for ayear.
They're not making one singlepenny off that guy now because

(29:09):
they they spent it eight monthsago.
And so if you start getting alot of people into the
organization and they'reconsuming consumables and
they're taking up your hours andyour time and your attention,
but you're not making any newincome from that.
So that is how most of theseorganizations are set up, and

(29:32):
that's where most of them areat.
They're delivering services formoney they've already spent, and
they're not getting a lot of newpeople in to make more income.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 (29:41):
Right.
Which is why David Miscavigeswitched their focus on
donations and fundraising andprograms like that that are not
linked to any services having tobe delivered.
Wow, that sounds really loud.

SPEAKER_00 (29:55):
Yeah, I'm turning your headphone down now.

SPEAKER_03 (29:57):
Oh, okay.
Nope.

SPEAKER_00 (29:59):
You can't?
You can't.

SPEAKER_03 (30:01):
Yeah, there we go.
Perfect.

SPEAKER_00 (30:02):
Somebody said your mic was down way low.

SPEAKER_03 (30:04):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (30:06):
Never mind.

SPEAKER_03 (30:06):
Fun, fun.
Um, I can't remember what I wassaying, but that's where they
switched to just raising fundsand getting donations into the
International Association ofScientologists versus having to
deliver any kind of services.

SPEAKER_00 (30:21):
Yeah.
Okay, now I can't even hear me.
You know what happened.
I know what happened is that umI was uh I recorded by myself.
Yes.
And so then this got set up alittle differently, and now
there we go.

SPEAKER_03 (30:39):
Trev says this is better.

SPEAKER_00 (30:41):
Okay, but you're still you're still uh that's
okay.
It is what it is.

SPEAKER_03 (30:45):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (30:46):
Now Claire's much mark louder than Mark now.

SPEAKER_03 (30:49):
Hopefully we're good now.
It sounds balanced to me now.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (30:54):
Tell me if this gets better, guys.

SPEAKER_03 (30:56):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (30:58):
Does that get is that better or worse?

SPEAKER_03 (31:00):
Uh Clara, what do you think?

SPEAKER_00 (31:02):
Better or worse now?

SPEAKER_03 (31:04):
She says about the same.

SPEAKER_00 (31:05):
Okay, well, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 (31:07):
Trev says that we we're both understandable, so
that's a positive.
Uh BT's in the house.

SPEAKER_00 (31:16):
Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_03 (31:17):
Oh dear.
Mark sounds super distant.
Clara's super loud.
Oh, that's fun.

SPEAKER_00 (31:22):
It's okay, whatever.
I'm not gonna mess with itanymore.
I'm just gonna leave myselfhere.

SPEAKER_03 (31:26):
It's all good.

SPEAKER_00 (31:27):
Okay.
Um but now it sounds weird to mein my headphone, so now I have
to adjust it.
God dang it.
This is ding ding ding dingchick chick.
Okay, whatever.
It's fine.
It is what it is.

SPEAKER_03 (31:39):
Yep.
Tis what to tis.

SPEAKER_00 (31:41):
It's all Jenny Linson's fault, somebody says in
the comments.
Super random.
Um I agree.
Yeah, there we go.
I'm gonna turn it to the way Iand like, oh, it literally
swapped from start.
Now it sounds like mic's off.

SPEAKER_03 (32:00):
Fun, fun, fun.

SPEAKER_00 (32:02):
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, it was a good, it wasgood, it was a good uh good pod
while we had it.

SPEAKER_03 (32:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (32:09):
Can you hear yourself?

SPEAKER_03 (32:10):
Now I can, yep.

SPEAKER_00 (32:11):
Okay.
See, I think I've got my mic setdifferently than yours, so now
hold on a second.

SPEAKER_03 (32:19):
Uh Clara says, I know an A V guy who can help.
I do too.

SPEAKER_00 (32:26):
Yeah.
Okay, let's leave it like justlike that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (32:31):
Can you hear yourself?
Yes, I can.
I can hear myself.
Clara says that's good.

SPEAKER_00 (32:35):
Okay, perfect.
I just made them the same.
Okay, I'm not we're not doingany more.
Oh wow.
No, I do sound weird now.

SPEAKER_05 (32:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (32:42):
No, mine's the same as yours.
So I'm just gonna turn down thisa little bit.
Okay.
That's what we're leaving in itright there.

SPEAKER_03 (32:50):
Okay.
That's it.

SPEAKER_00 (32:52):
Okay.
Love Food Kitchen says, oh myGod, I have an ongoing Art
Linson story.
I meant to email Claire aboutit.

SPEAKER_03 (32:59):
Oh, please do Love Food Kitchen.

SPEAKER_00 (33:01):
Okay.
So the whole reason I'm bringingthis up is because Scientology
makes out like they'recontinuously expanding and
they're Unprecedented expansion.

SPEAKER_03 (33:15):
We're on the cusp of planetary clearing.

SPEAKER_00 (33:20):
Anyone who's in Scientology can go into one of
these local organizations, andany one of those people can tell
you they're empty.
There's nobody in there.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 (33:31):
Yeah.
If you're simply equipped withthe normal human faculty of
sight, you can see that they arenot expanding.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 (33:38):
Yeah.
And it's that way all over theworld.
So wherever there's aScientology organization, they
are um I'm just tweaking my justbabying it.

SPEAKER_03 (33:48):
Yep, it says perfect now.

SPEAKER_00 (33:49):
Okay.
Very distorted now.
And then that person saysperfect.

SPEAKER_03 (33:53):
No, because you just adjusted it.
I heard the distortion too, andI don't hear it now.
I I think I went quiet, but Idon't know.
Oh, Clara says it's good.

SPEAKER_00 (34:00):
Yeah, it's great.
It's good.
We're not we're not messing withit anymore.

SPEAKER_03 (34:03):
Oh, you just did.

SPEAKER_00 (34:04):
Now I turned your audio up.

SPEAKER_03 (34:07):
You turned me down.

SPEAKER_00 (34:09):
Oh, how's that?

SPEAKER_03 (34:10):
There.
That's good.

SPEAKER_00 (34:12):
Um I think that's what I had.
Because the thing is upsidedown, I've been turning it the
opposite.

SPEAKER_03 (34:17):
You're like, I just turned you up, and I'm like, I
can't hear anything now.
Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 (34:22):
Fun, fun, fun.

SPEAKER_03 (34:23):
Never a different moment.

SPEAKER_00 (34:24):
Whenever we do a different setup that changes,
we're going to do it.

SPEAKER_03 (34:27):
It always the BTs.

SPEAKER_00 (34:28):
It sounded good when we were in here.

SPEAKER_03 (34:30):
BTs get overstimulated and they they
audio BTs, audio body things.

SPEAKER_00 (34:34):
Yes.
Space cooties.

SPEAKER_03 (34:35):
Oh my God.

SPEAKER_00 (34:37):
We did a um we did a podcast for a little bit colt.
I did.

SPEAKER_03 (34:42):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (34:42):
Oh, you did too?

SPEAKER_03 (34:43):
Yeah, I was in the chat.

SPEAKER_00 (34:45):
Yeah.
And um it was only on theirPatreon, I think.
It was like a special thing forthem.

SPEAKER_03 (34:50):
Yeah, it was like a QA for Patreon.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (34:53):
But um but we were talking about a lot of things.
But one of the other thingssomebody did, I saw somebody in
the comments that said, well,what about all this money
they're getting from themembers?
Okay, now that's a totallyseparate thing.
So if a lot of the members, whenwhen we said earlier, oh,
Scientology buys theorganization and then they pay
Scientology rent, well, thosepeople are donating to

(35:20):
Scientology and then and it'searmarked for this building.
I'm gonna buy this building.
I'm gonna help you guys buy thisbuilding.
And so instead of Scientologybuying the money, the the
building, they basically tellall the richy-rich
Scientologists, hey, we need$100,000 from you, we need a
million from you, we need$250from you.
And then they give all thatmoney, and then Scientology uses

(35:42):
that money to buy thatorganization.
So Scientology is a veryimportant thing.

SPEAKER_03 (35:44):
Even though by the way, L.
Ron Hubbard said no fundraising.

SPEAKER_00 (35:49):
Yeah.
That was a f that was a rulethat L.
Ron Hubbard said they couldnever do in Scientology was to
do fundraising.
It was not allowed.
Because in Scientology, theyhave this very strict policy.
If you give somebody somethingthat's valuable, they will give
you something in exchange forit.
And when you do fundraising,you're not giving anything in

(36:09):
exchange for money, you're justtaking money.
And that makes Scientology outexchange with the person.
Anyway, so in those cases, thosedonations are earmarked for
those buildings and then theybuy them.
But Scientology is not outlayingany of that cash.
They're getting people to payfor it.

(36:30):
So they're subsidizing thebuilding.
In the case of like JohnTravolta and Tom Cruise, I don't
think Tom Cruise and JohnTravolta donate any money.
They're donating their time andthey're speaking about
Scientology or whatever.
In the most, in most cases,they're getting favorable
services and perks that they'renot paying for at all.

(36:51):
Yeah.
And they're just getting to dothings.

SPEAKER_03 (36:53):
Tom Cruise has definitely donated millions.
So remember, he he allocated aportion of those back-end
proceeds and said that that wasgoing to go directly into
Scientology's coffers.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 (37:03):
Well, yeah, but I thought it was for to buy an
org, like the London org or theorgan space.

SPEAKER_03 (37:08):
David Miscavige said it was going into his war chest.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 (37:11):
Okay.
So yeah.
So in the case of Tom Cruise, hemay have given a lot of money.
I've never heard about JohnTravolta donating a lot of
money.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 (37:20):
No.
Never heard about that.

SPEAKER_00 (37:21):
I know Christy Alley donated a lot of money.

SPEAKER_03 (37:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (37:24):
And and also if they're on that list of patron
meritorious, gluteus maximus,whatever, those things they cost
millions of dollars to get toeach one of those levels.
And then you know, when you getto Nancy Cartwright, who's given
like$10 or$15 million, then youknow you get the a trophy the

(37:44):
size of a ping pong table, youknow.

SPEAKER_03 (37:47):
Anyway, but even And if you have a child, uh they get
gifted a lifetime membership forthe International Association of
Scientologists.
Like Ella Blue, when she wasborn, got a lifetime membership.
That was her gift from DavidMiscavige.

SPEAKER_00 (38:03):
I think Jason's kids got that too.
Yes.
They were telling me about that.

SPEAKER_03 (38:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (38:08):
Um Jason Biget.

SPEAKER_03 (38:09):
And Leah's Leah Remini's daughter.

SPEAKER_00 (38:11):
Leah got the same thing.
She said the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 (38:13):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (38:14):
Okay, so that is the building donations, Scientology.
And then they also have anotherone, which is the International
Association.
That's the one you get all thetrophies for.

SPEAKER_04 (38:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (38:26):
And that money goes into Scientology's like defense
fund.
And they do call that the warchest.
Yes.
And that money is not allowed,the only money that's allowed to
be spent out of that account isthe interest that they make on
the principal.
They're never allowed to spendthe principal that's in there.

(38:49):
They can only say, like, if thisyear we made this much an
interest, that's their budgetfor the year, what they can
spend.

SPEAKER_05 (38:56):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (38:58):
And then yeah, and then you've got Flag.
So Flag makes money.
They make money from gettingdonations from individual
Scientologists.
They make money from ISdonations.
And that's how they're buildingmore buildings and doing more
stuff.
It's not from the ScientologyVentura organization.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 (39:18):
No, and truly these big buildings that they're
buying and renovating are alsocovering up the lack of new
people getting into Scientology.
It's, you know, well, hey, ifwe, you know, show these big
buildings to our public, thenthey'll see like, ooh, look at
all these new orgs.

(39:39):
But you go into any one of themand they're empty and small and
failing.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 (39:44):
I like to tell this story of when we were going
around in 2004 is when the idealorg thing really started getting
going and they started openingup different organizations.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 (39:55):
Yeah.
The first one was Buffalo.

SPEAKER_00 (39:57):
Yeah.
Buffalo, Stevens Creek, Joe Burgin Africa, New York, San
Francisco, New York, a bunch ofthese.
We went to, I want to say it waseither Stevens Creek or San
Francisco.
We went months and months andmonths after they'd opened.

SPEAKER_03 (40:17):
It was Stevens Creek.
It's in your book.

SPEAKER_00 (40:19):
Okay, good.
Stevens Creek.

SPEAKER_03 (40:20):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (40:21):
And um we went in there and in the course room,
they have these tables whereyou're supposed to do these
demonstrations in clay, and it'scalled the clay demo kit table.
And this is months and months,maybe eight, nine months after
this organization has become asay a new ideal org super size
organization.

(40:41):
And um, the clay was still inthe plastic from when they
filled the tables with clay.
And I was like, no one's been inthis course room for nine
months.
I'm like, what the what?
Like it's like, how is this evenpossible?
Like this is insanity.
Like there should have beenthousands of people that had

(41:02):
done clay demos in that manymonths.

SPEAKER_05 (41:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (41:04):
And not one had done one.
So anyway, the whole point ofthis is that Scientology is
still shrinking, as evidenced bythis latest organization,
sharing their good news.

SPEAKER_05 (41:19):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (41:19):
Um and and it's been like this for for over a decade.
When we were still at theinternational management in the
90s, David Miscavige showed usgraphs.
And this is kind of a wildthing.
In the late 90s, he had shown usgraphs that basically since the
early 90s, Scientology has beenprogressively declining on all

(41:44):
stats across the board.
And then in 96, they take asteep dive in 1996.
And the only thing thathappened, whenever you're in
Scientology and you're trying toread graphs and what happened,
you you look at a graph, andwhen it goes down or way up or
whatever, if it changescharacteristic or trend

(42:05):
dramatically, you are instructedto go.
What happened right there, righthere at this one spot.
And if you look at all ofScientology stats
internationally, the number ofbodies in the shop, the number
of course completions, thenumber of cash.

SPEAKER_03 (42:21):
Value of services delivered, all of these things.

SPEAKER_00 (42:25):
They all nosedive at 1996.
And the only thing that happenedin 1996 was David Miscavige
introduced the Golden Age ofTech, which is the pr
predecessor to this golden ageof knowledge BS he's got going
now.

SPEAKER_03 (42:41):
Yeah, and anyone who any of the management executives
at that time who correctlypointed out that date coincident
with the release of the GoldenAge of Tech, the stats crashed,
they were sent to therehabilitation project force.
Yeah.
Because you cannot say, SirDavid Miscavige, your program is
a POS and you are uh destroyingScientology.

(43:03):
Can't say that.

SPEAKER_00 (43:05):
Yeah.
So anyway, Scientology is stillshrinking.
We have proof.
Um, they're still phoning it infrom these local organizations.
And to tell you the truth, wedon't really know what the
current status of how manypeople are going through FLAG
is.
I'm sure it's still more thanany of these other Scientology
organizations because now theyhave the superpower rundown and

(43:29):
the cause resurgence rundown,and they have all these other
new things that really you don'tyou can just do anywhere, no
matter where you are onScientology's bridge to total
freedom.
Oh, that was the other thing.
So the bridge is laid out by whocan do what in Scientology.
So the very bottom of thebridge, you can do it, what's

(43:49):
called a Scientology mission.
And then the next section, youcan do it a Scientology
organization.
And then the next sessionsection, you have to go to an
advanced organization, which isa Sea Org organization.
And then the l all of the final,most of the final last things
you can do are either at theFlag land base or at the Free

(44:09):
Winds uh cruise ship.
And um so I I totally forgotwhat I was gonna say.
There's uh there's basically umuh different levels where you
can do these things, but whenwhen we say that flag makes the
most money, Flag also is all SeaOrg members.

(44:30):
There's no staff members at theFlagland.
That's right.

SPEAKER_05 (44:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (44:34):
So they're paying that's where they pay people the
least amount possible.
That's where you're doing ahundred and twenty hours a week
for you know thirty cents anhour, or whatever that were
whatever forty-five dollars aweek ends up divides by one
twenty.

SPEAKER_03 (44:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (44:48):
Um and that's if you get full of the yeah, or
whatever the current rate is.
Well, so if you get paid fullpay.
Some weeks it's like that, oh,we didn't have to make enough
money, you're not getting paid.

SPEAKER_03 (44:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (44:58):
Okay.
So that's that.
That's where signed.
That's so so flag is cashmachine.
That is flag Clearwater is theircash machine, and that's where
David Miscavige, for most of thetime that we were at the end
base, uh a large majority ofDavid Miscavige's focus is what

(45:19):
happens at the flag land base.
Yes, and how do we make thismake more money and streamline
it and you know, just anythingand everything we can do to make
money at this one location.
And I never realized until ntill today that is kind of a
weird thing to do because of allthe other organizations.

(45:39):
If he could figure out how tofix one of those the remote
organizations, likely thosefixes could apply to many, and
then they could all start makingmoney.

SPEAKER_03 (45:49):
Um if there was any cheese in the trap, as Jason
mentioned.

SPEAKER_00 (45:52):
There's cheese in there.
There's just that's it's a trap.

SPEAKER_03 (45:55):
Exactly.
Whether cheese or otherwise, notrap is no trap contains
something that's worth it.
But I was gonna say too, I rrecently came in possession of
some materials that if we wantedto, we could do a deep dive into
like behind the scenes at flagnow, what it looks like.
Uh it's right out of a it'sright out of severance, the the

(46:16):
pictures and everything elsethat I recently came into
possession of.
So if that sounds interesting toour audience, pop a comment for
Blooply Bloop.

SPEAKER_00 (46:25):
I have no idea what she's talking about.

SPEAKER_03 (46:26):
Behind the scenes, like current creative affairs.
All right.

SPEAKER_00 (46:30):
Of severance?

SPEAKER_03 (46:32):
No, no, like but inside flag today.
This is what it looks like.

SPEAKER_00 (46:36):
This is what does that have to do with severance?

SPEAKER_03 (46:38):
It is right out of severance.
It literally looks like it'sfrom the TV set of severance.

SPEAKER_00 (46:45):
Okay.
Good job, babe.

SPEAKER_03 (46:48):
The audience understands me.
That's all that matters.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (46:51):
Good job.
Good job.
I'm gonna let you go with that.
Here's the there.
Now we also found out somecraziness about this, too.

SPEAKER_03 (46:59):
Yeah, so a few weeks ago we talked about the article
that Tony Ortega put up um onthe passing of Heber Gench, who,
of course, was in Scientologyfor decades, is most well known
for his for being the publicspokesperson for Scientology for
many, many years as thepresident.
That was his title, president ofthe Church of Scientology

(47:20):
International.
And then starting in the early2000s, he was banished to the
whole.
Um, hold on, let me change myview here one second.
So, longtime nominal presidentof the Church of Scientology
International in the early2000s, Gench largely disappeared
from public view.
Multiple sources, includingformer Scientologists, alleged

(47:42):
he was confined to the whole, acontroversial disciplinary
facility at Scientology's GoldBase, where I also spent time
after Mark escaped.
Um, family members reportedbeing unable to contact him for
years.
This is from Gench's obituary,which is posted online.
Um okay, let's see here.

(48:03):
Um, this is also from an articlethat Tony Ortega put up on his
blog a few years ago.
David, 80, last spoke to hisbrother Heber, 76, three years
ago.
And this was like 2012, I wantto say, is when this is from a
conversation in which heencouraged Heber to break out of
the international base.

(48:23):
Heber said, quote, I don't thinkI can ever get out of here,
unquote.
David told him, you have to try.
The last thing Heber said to himwas, I'll never get out of here
alive, which is, you know,again, this is why we're here
doing this and talking aboutthese abuses of staff and in
this case of an elderly man.

(48:44):
After that, Baistaff refused totake David's calls.
David is Heber's brother.
When Heber lost his son,Alexander, at the age of 29,
David called and asked to speakto Heber.
They told David that he couldn'tcome and that Heber wouldn't be
able to speak to him if he did.
Again, isolation of elders, uh,destruction of families,

(49:07):
practicing disconnection, allthe evil abuses of Scientology.
Heber had seen his sonAlexander, in the that you can
see in the picture here, just 12times in 15 years because Heber
was incarcerated in the hole.
As a result, Alexander had grownup without a father.

(49:27):
Okay, some years ago, Heber wasmoved from the Scientology
International Management Base uhnear to a nursing home.
It was there that he passedaway.
That's what was reported.
We just got a copy of Heber'sdeath certificate in which it
states the place of his deathwas, quote, Golden Era
Homes-Hospice, unquote, locatedat 19625 Gilman Springs Road,

(49:54):
which for those new here is theaddress of the international
headquarters of gold base whereMark and I worked for 15 years.
So um that's where he passedaway.
And by the way, um, at least tothe best of my ability, um, I
can confirm that this is not alicensed hospice.

(50:15):
I've checked multiple Californiawebsites where hospices are
required to list theirlicensure, and this is not one.
So Goldenair Homes-Hospice, tome, this is just smoke and
mirrors intended to cover upthat Heber died at the location
of the hole.
Um, and exactly true to histhoughts, he was not able to get

(50:37):
out of there.
Um, the full address from theabove certificate is 19625
Gilman Springs Road, the baseaddress.
Despite the title, Golden EraHomes Hospice, this is not a
licensed hospice address.
Sadly, Heber was correct when hesaid, I don't think I can ever
get out of here, referring tothe base.
His story highlights the impactof elder abuse and isolation.

(50:57):
It really does.
And also on the deathcertificate.
Um, the informant and executoris listed as none other than
Kathy Fraser, who is uh the headof the hospice?

SPEAKER_00 (51:09):
Or what is she listed as?

SPEAKER_03 (51:11):
As the informant, which is the the informant is
the person who provides thedetails of, you know, the
parents and the next of kin andthe location of the death and
like the details for the deathcertificate.
But she so she's listed as theinformant and it says Katherine
Fraser's, executor.
So it just goes to show, like,if you go on, you know, look up

(51:33):
informant on Google, like what'swho's the informant?
It says usually it's their nextof kin, it's their family, it's
a close friend, or if there's nofamily, then it's the staff of
the hospice.
But no, in this case, it's KathyFraser, who is David Miscavige's
henchman to this day, to thebest of my knowledge.
Um, that's who, you know, shewas basically the the prison

(51:56):
ward of the Golden Era HomesHospice.

SPEAKER_00 (51:58):
Yeah, but let's not forget, Kathy Fraser is one of
the inchwives that was on theAnderson Cooper CNN thing.

SPEAKER_04 (52:05):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (52:05):
She's also, if you've ever seen uh Louis
Thoreau, my Scientology movie,she's the one that got in the
the camera duel with Louie,where he was like, Well, if you
put your camera down, we'll putour camera down.

SPEAKER_03 (52:20):
And because the She's also the one that was
screaming at you at the top ofher lines on Highway 79.

SPEAKER_00 (52:25):
Screaming at me on the highway.

SPEAKER_03 (52:27):
At the very location of Golden Era Homes-Hospice.

SPEAKER_00 (52:31):
Yeah, in the Louie in the Louie documentary, uh My
Scientology movie, she says,Well, put your camera down and
we'll stop recording.
And then Louie says, No, no, youput your camera down and we'll
stop recording.
And then she goes, No, no, no,you put and they just go back
and forth like this over andover again.
It's completely ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 (52:48):
And by the way, Kathy has at least two kids.

SPEAKER_00 (52:53):
Yeah, she used to be Kathy D.
Simone.
That's right.
And then she was Kathy Hawkins.
She worked on the free one ship.

SPEAKER_03 (53:00):
She was worked on the free wins ship before she
came to the headquarters.
And I want to say she came tothe Gold Base headquarters,
whatever, Gilman Hot Springs, inlike the mid-90s.

SPEAKER_00 (53:11):
Yeah.
It was like 95.
Yeah, she got busted from thefree wins.

unknown (53:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (53:17):
She she was not she didn't get promoted to the Ant
Base.

SPEAKER_05 (53:23):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (53:24):
She got she got gobbled up by the Ant Base.

SPEAKER_03 (53:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (53:28):
Anyway, yeah, this Golden Era homes, it it actually
is kind of crazy that they'rethey're kick they're calling
that place a hospice.
That's like anybody who's beenthere, if you're in the
comments, let us know if thatfreaks you out too.
That's kind of wild.

SPEAKER_03 (53:46):
Yeah, and and I will say that we are working on
compiling a lot of cases throughour work at the Aftermath
Foundation of Elder Abuse.
So if you have any knowledge orany information regarding
similar cases, please do reachout.
You can send an email to Phil atthe AftermathFoundation.org or
to me, Claire at theAftermathFoundation.org or

(54:08):
Claire at blownforgood.com,whatever you want.
But I mean, we already haveworked on a lot of cases
involving elder abuse, eldermistreatment, you know, short,
shortened schedules of 40 hoursa week for a 70-year-old man
with a stage four cancerdiagnosis, things like this.
And this really, really needs tobe talked about and exposed

(54:31):
because there are many, manypeople in Scientology to this
day who are now classified aselderly people.
And this is how they're coveringup, being able to do whatever
they want with those people,isolating them from their
family.
Like Heber was not even allowedto talk to his own brother.

SPEAKER_00 (54:48):
It's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (54:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:50):
Okay, one last slide.

SPEAKER_03 (54:52):
Yes.
On a happier note, upcomingComedy for a Cause, March 11th,
2026, Denver, Colorado.
It is not too late to get yourtickets, folks.
We will have an online silentauction.
We're working out the details tobe able to live stream this.
Uh, it's gonna be a really funevent um with some really good
people.

(55:13):
And um yeah, we hope to see youthere.
It's gonna be a blast.
Um benefits go to the Michael J.
Render Aftermath Foundation,featured comedian John Novosad,
silent auction at 6 p.m.,showtime at 7 30 p.m.
Tickets available atcomedyworks.com.
And there's also a page on theaftermathfoundation.org website
uh with more information.

(55:34):
So super exciting.
Uh, we're really um working hardto have the best year yet.
Uh last year was our best yearyet, so we're trying to make
this one even better.

SPEAKER_00 (55:45):
Awesome.
We're gonna do some shout-outsand answer some questions.

SPEAKER_03 (55:49):
Sounds good.
Okay I'm in, I'm down.

SPEAKER_00 (55:52):
Here we go.

SPEAKER_03 (55:53):
Okay, Katura Stanley, hi from snowy Michigan.
Hi, Kotura.
Good to see you here.
Burt Pineapple, hello from UK.
Betsy Sue, greetings fromCameron, North Carolina.
Trevin on good evening from theNetherlands.
Mary Kay, hello fromAlbuquerque.

SPEAKER_04 (56:09):
Oh, here we go.

SPEAKER_03 (56:10):
I got to breathe for a second.
Nasty Nathaniel 69, blown forgood.
I never hear anyone talk aboutthe mission of the foothills in
Montrose, California.
Do you know anything about theScientology mission?
I never hear anyone talkingabout it.
Yes, I know where that missionis.
My sister did service it, didsome courses there, um, but I
don't have any currentinformation about it.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 (56:29):
As far as I know, it's just a small little
storefront in like a strip mallkind of uh street where it's
just retail.

SPEAKER_05 (56:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (56:37):
It's it's never really been more than like
that's a place where maybe twoor three people could come in
and do an introductory course.

SPEAKER_03 (56:45):
Aaron Ross Powell Yeah.
Mainly children ofScientologists.

SPEAKER_00 (56:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (56:48):
But also not a bustling new person spot.

SPEAKER_00 (56:52):
Yeah, they're not really hardcore trying to get
people in there to do stuff.
It's just like if you're doingsomething, you can come in here
and do it.

SPEAKER_05 (56:59):
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (57:01):
Thank you, nasty Nathaniel.
He's been around for a while.
I've heard of that guy before.
He's uh he's always uh he's likeone of these um auditors that
goes up to a place videoing, andthen when they go, What are you
doing?
and they get all freak and thenpeople lose their minds, and
then he's just like, I'm just onthe sidewalk, just walking down
the sidewalk.

SPEAKER_03 (57:20):
Yes.
At Becky Big Brother fan, whatis the food in the Fort Harrison
restaurant like for the payingpublic?
Yeah, when I was there, it wasthe lemon tree and the hibiscus.
Hibiscus.
I think so.
And it was it was okay.
I mean, it was just likecafeteria food.

SPEAKER_00 (57:34):
It really well, the lemon tree is a is a buffet
style restaurant.
You just go in, you get yourtrain, you plop with some salad
and some I remember when wewould go and do events at Flag,
if the golden era crew were ingood standing with David
Miscavige, sometimes we could goeat in the lemon tree.

(57:57):
Or if we were working withprofessionals, the professionals
were eating in there, so wewould just go in there with them
and eat.

SPEAKER_03 (58:03):
Yeah, and then sometimes after the events, like
I remember I have a specificmemory after the May 9th event
in 1996, that the uh all theexecutives who had spoken at the
event and everything went andhad a nice sit-down dinner at
the hibiscus, and it was a raremoment because I don't think I'd
ever been at a nice dinner uhsince being in the sea

(58:27):
organization at that point.

SPEAKER_00 (58:28):
Yeah, I'm trying to think.
The lemon tree is like goldencorral.

SPEAKER_03 (58:33):
Yes, there you go.
That's a good, a good andhibiscus is like um Outback
Steakhouse.

SPEAKER_00 (58:40):
No, hibiscus is a little bit up, nicer, like uh
Longhorn.

SPEAKER_01 (58:45):
Longhorn.
So it's like what aboutLonghorn?
What about uh what about thecowboy one in uh in uh Amarillo?
No.

SPEAKER_03 (58:56):
It's definitely not capital grill level.

SPEAKER_00 (58:59):
It's not really that nice.
They like to bill it as like athis is a luxury restaurant, but
you're like eh, it's okay.

SPEAKER_03 (59:05):
It's okay.
It's not like blow your socksoff type of meal.
Mind you, when you haven't beeneating a lot in the sea
organization, our our memory ofit probably way exaggerates how
good it was because we were justmostly eating slop.

SPEAKER_01 (59:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (59:20):
So I said Olive Garden.
Okay, oh hold on.
Let me go back to my other viewhere.
Um, Amy, if you've been at Flagfor any length of time, you
start to notice it's the samepeople over and over.
No real new faces, no realgrowth, just the same small
group cycling through that tellsyou a lot.
100%.

SPEAKER_02 (59:36):
Totally true.

SPEAKER_03 (59:37):
I know, I know.
I was really sad to learnrecently that my siblings now
all live in Clearwater, Florida.
My two sisters used to live inCalifornia, and now they move
down there, which means that.
Anyway, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 (59:51):
What is this?
Same.

SPEAKER_03 (59:53):
Love Food Kitchen.
As an aside, I visited the LionVery Much Non-Ideal Org today.
They were handing out cake tocelebrate the Olympics.
I laughed that someone set theGoogle listing name to
pseudoscientific cult.
God, that seems really, reallyum inappropriate.
Handing out cake like MarieAntoinette let them eat cake?

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:16):
Yeah, in Lyon?

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:17):
Yeah, in France.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:19):
I know.
I don't get this at all.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:20):
That just feels like brutally wrong.
I don't know.
Maybe I'm missing something.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:25):
Anyway, also, why would the org be handing out
cake?

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:28):
I know.
I I uh anyway.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:32):
Well, I guess if they were celebrating the
Olympics when the Olympics werein France.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:37):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:38):
Anyway, the orgs that it it's also that the that
the comment from Amy about it'sbeing the same people, that's
how it is in the localorganizations, too.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:49):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:49):
There's like 10 or 15 people.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:52):
It's like a small handful of people.
I know, and it's been that wayfor a long time, but it's just
gotten smaller and smaller andsmaller.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:59):
Even like I ru can remember uh doing courses at the
Valley organization in NorthHollywood in California after we
moved here from the U.S.
And it was like the same, it wasa very small handful of people.
Rarely were there any new peoplecoming in.
Yeah.
It's yeah, that's a good point.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:19):
That is sort of how it is at all Scientology
organizations, everywhere, isyou've got the normal clique or
crew or tribe that's alwaysthere.
And then every once in a while,one of those people are like,
oh, I'm going to flag when theystart making some money, and
then they become part of theflag tribe.
And then now they're hanging outwith all the flag people.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:40):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:41):
Wowzers.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:43):
Japan of Green Gables question Does Scientology
hire elite accounting firms tomaximize their finances like
they do elite lawyers?
You know what?
Not that I have seen.
Actually, they make the lawyersdo all of the not only legal,
but also the accountingstrategies, is at least what was
happening when I was there andhad any knowledge of that.

(01:02:05):
I never saw them haveinteraction with any of the big
five accounting firms, like there reputable bench depth, like
really know their businessaccounting firms.
Um, they did have, I think, aCPA, I think his name was Tom
Spring, right?
He was part of the IRS umexemption.

(01:02:26):
So I I don't know what firm heworked for.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:28):
I don't I don't never got the impression he was
a top-notch, like part of theInternational Finance Office,
which is at the internationalheadquarters where we were, most
of the people in there areaccountants or they used to be
accountants.
And they've been doing it for20, 30 years.

(01:02:50):
And they know all the possibleways that a religion can kind of
skirt around anything andeverything.
So uh they're likely they aremaximizing as much as they can
with the money that they have.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:06):
Um but somebody said they use turbotex.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:09):
Turbotex.
They've got a turbochargedaccount there.
They're using turbotex.
Oh my goodness.
No, I'll tell you.
I'll tell you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:21):
Our chat is very lively too.
Clara says, can I call the organd ask about this cake thing?

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:27):
Um Yeah.
No.
The crazy thing is that the wayL.
Ron Hubbard set said to set upyour accounts is he believed
that if all the money was in oneaccount, then the organization
would just spend all the money.
So the way he organized it iseach organization usually has

(01:03:48):
about 10 or 15 differentaccounts.
Yes.
They have a main account, theyhave the FSM account.
Oh, that was the other thing Ithat we mentioned on the uh
Grant Cardone thing, I think.
Where I don't think I've evertalked about that.
Was um we were talking or was itwhen we were talking last week
about Grant Cardone?

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:06):
I think it was when you were talking to Sarah and
Nippy.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:08):
I don't remember.
Maybe it was.
But Grant Cardone is um he GrantCardone is this kind of swarmy
car sales guy who's now intoreal estate and he has a company
called Cardone Capital, but hedoes these rallies and um for
Scientologists.
And he's like, hey, you gottacome to Flag or you gotta do
this or whatever.
But a lot of what a lot ofpeople don't know is that if you

(01:04:31):
go to a Grant Cardone seminarand then you get into
Scientology from that, when theywhen you get into Scientology
say, Hey, who who sent you here?
How'd you find out about this?
They say Grant Cardone.
Grant Cardone now becomes what'sknown in Scientology as their
FSM, their field staff member,as the person who got them into
Scientology.

(01:04:52):
And he gets a 15% commission onevery single service or
counseling or whatever book theybuy, whatever they get, he gets
a 15% commission.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:03):
Okay, so here's a question for you that I don't
know the answer to.
Um when people make donations tothe IAS, does that also carry
commissions?
I think it does.
Like Cindy Plahuda, our friend,has talked about doing our re
regging, getting in donationsfor the superpower building.
Yeah.
And that's how she was earningmoney was from commission.

(01:05:24):
So I think even for IASdonations, like maybe they get
commissions anyway.
Either way, might be aninteresting Trevor Burrus.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:30):
The people that are are working hard to get people
in Scientology, if those peopleend up becoming Scientologists
and donating money and doingcourses and spending, if they
spend a million dollars to getto OT eight, you made$150,000.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:46):
Aaron Powell I know, which think about it like hmm so
you're money motivated to getpeople into Scientology and get
all their money.
It's just so creepy.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:55):
But that's what I'm saying, though.
I know those that's what they'redoing.
That's how they

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:00):
They give up their jobs and they that's all they do
is make their money by gettingpeople into Scientology and
getting their money from them.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:07):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:09):
Okay.
Fun, fun, fun.
Yeah.
Um, did you inhale your foodwhile eating at the lemon tree?
Of course I did.
Yeah.
Come on, man.
I'm not sleeping on the job.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:20):
Um Mark used to watch uh food eating
competitions all the time.
We were like, wow, these guysmight be able to dust us every
once in a while as ex-Sea Orgmembers.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:28):
Jimmy, what it was what is his name?
Johnny Chestnut?
Jimmy Chestnut?
Yeah, something like that.
Tommy Chestnut.
Oh man, I wish I knew his name.
Yeah.
Anyway, he ain't got nothing ona Sea Org member.

unknown (01:06:39):
No.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:39):
Uh Trevinon.
So Miscavige's downstat off tothe RPF with the guy.
Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:45):
He's a stat crasher.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:46):
Yep.
Um L E Y question.
Who lives at the imp base now?
Yeah, that's a good question.
So to my knowledge, it's thepeople in any remaining
executives who are were banishedto the hole, because that's
where that is.
A few a handful of maintenancestaff, like you know, that keep
things running.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:05):
All of Golden Arrow Productions.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:07):
And then apparently that's now where they're at
least sending some elderlypeople under the false guise of
a hospice.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:16):
Well, w when we were there, they were building these
birthing buildings.
They had never they had had notfinished them by 2005.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:22):
And by the way, that is like if you Google, I didn't
include the exact address inthat screenshot.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:29):
But if you pull in, you plug in the exact address,
it is the birthing buildings.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:34):
Of course.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:35):
Yeah.
So they built enough of thesebuildings to birth the crew.
And each building is has 400people that it holds for a total
of 1,600, is what the maximumcomplement of the international
headquarters was.
And from the people that we haveheard from that have escaped mo

(01:07:56):
most recently, they don't theall of the people that are there
don't even fill one building.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:02):
Yes.
So it's a it's down to thecompared to what it was when we
were there, it's now a ghostproperty.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:09):
Um with yeah, anyway.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:12):
Do they have the BFG chat rundown?

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:18):
They do have we were we were talking, I was talking
recently with a friend and we wewere doing a project.
And so as a result of saidproject, we ended up throwing
about 400 pounds worth of um,you know, brick Hubbard volumes
into a dumpster, and we werelaughing, saying, you know what,
this should be a really goodstep to recovering from and

(01:08:41):
getting out of Scientology.
Throw L.
Ron Hubbard books in thedumpster until you feel good and
feel a sense of relief and haveno hesitation doing so.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:52):
Yes.
Like this one.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:54):
Okay.
Kathy Fraser gives Jenny Linsonvibes.
Oh, 100%.
The question might be so whodoes who does it come from?
Is it Jenny Linson giving KathyFraser Jenny Linson vibes, or is
it Kathy Fraser giving JennyLinson Kathy Fraser vibes?

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:08):
David Miscavige giving them both.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:10):
Yes.
They are like um yeah, they'vebeen infected, you know.
They are they have the um JennyLinson and uh They have the
David Miscavige fungus fungigrowing in their brain, or the
Corda, corda, whatever it'scalled from The Last of Us.
It's growing in their brain.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:26):
Okay.
Yeah.
Um Kathy Fraser and Jen Jen uhJenny Linson are like final
level Karen's.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:35):
Like expert levels.
That's it.
That's the thing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:38):
That's top-level Karen.
You can't get any more.
There's no, that's it.
That's they're the final boss ofthe Karen's.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:45):
I heard a rumor that Jessica's are the Karen's of
2026.
Jessica's?
That's what someone told merecently.
I don't know if there's anytruth in that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:54):
I don't believe everything.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:55):
It's very hard to keep up with everything these
days.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:57):
Okay, guys.
Oh, wait.
I saw one from Techie.
He used to be at the base.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:02):
Okay.
Yes.
Good friend.
So lucky.
I was almost one of those tospend my golden years at Golden
Earl Homes Hospice.
I know, right?
Can you believe it?
I mean, I I thought about thattoo.
Like, oh my gosh, what had whatif I had not escaped?
That would be me too.
I would I would die there.
I mean, it's really, really sad,and it's criminal elder abuse.

(01:10:24):
That's the bottom line.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:26):
Yeah, it is kind of wild that they're calling it
Golden Era Hospice.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:31):
And how prophetic if you look at David um not David
Hebert Jench's last words to hisbrother David.
It's just like, oh my God, it'ssad.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:41):
Um Okay, we'll do one last one here.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:44):
Okay.

Martin Ottman question (01:10:46):
how many staff work at FLAG, FSO FLB, and
Flag Crew?

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:51):
I think it's like a thousand at least.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:53):
Between all of those and and I want to say like a
really good, a high percentageof those are foreign immigrants.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:01):
Oh yeah.
I mean they're telling theseguys over in Europe or you know,
any kind of e even third worldcountries.
Yeah.
You're going to get three hotsat a cot, and we're going to pay
you.
And they're like, yeah, I'm notsure.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:13):
Like do you remember when we visited Coachman Park
when when we um Leah put upMike's bench, Mike Rinder's
bench memorial bench, which isstill there.
Um we were walking through thepark and there were a bunch of
Sea Org members walking past us,and most of them were young
foreign staff.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:33):
Yeah.
Yeah, they do take advantage ofpeople from other countries.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:40):
Especially Russia, Hungary, um, and I'm sure other
places too.
But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:45):
Yeah, they basically tell them you're gonna get paid,
you're gonna get fed, and we'regonna give you a place to sleep.
And that's better than what theyhave now when they're trying to
recruit them to Scientology.
So they go, okay, I'll go do it,and then they're cleaning hotel
rooms at the Fort Harrison for45 bucks for 100 hours a week.

(01:12:05):
Yeah.
Okay, guys.
Thanks for uh thanks for hangingout with us today.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:11):
Good to be back, good to see everybody.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:14):
Um Yeah, I think we did it.
We get we're gonna we're gettingready for this March 11th thing,
and um, we're trying to get asmuch stuff for the silent
auction.
And um I don't think uh I'vealready looked at it.
This I there's not I'm not gonnabe an MC.
They have an MC already forthis, and they have comedians
and they have a format that theycomfortably do.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:35):
True.
So But we we of course will bethere and we'll there'll be uh
uh you know a pre-mingle eventbefore the show.
So we'll hang it out.
It'll be fun.
And we'll hang it.
You know, we'll we'll puttogether as much as we can to
make it make it a really greatevent to highlight the good
works of the foundation and tohopefully just have a fun
evening to benefit thefoundation and the work that we

(01:12:58):
do.
So there you go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:00):
Totally.
And um and and I may or may notdo some other stuff besides
that, but for now, we're gonnawe're if anything else happens,
it'll be a surprise.
How about that?

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:10):
Ooh, comment from Mystery Mark.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:13):
Um and then um Yeah, we're good, good, good.
Um we've we've the somebody saidthe studio needs to be cleaned
out of BTs.
We're good, man.
We smoked them out.
I think we got them.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:24):
Yep, we're good.
It was just a little rusty, youknow, they just had to be
evicted, but we got them out.
We're good.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:29):
It's all that junk you brought in.
Part of Claire's project, we didgain some new props to put in
here.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:34):
Yeah, we'll we'll talk about those on another
episode.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:38):
Anyway, um Thanks again, guys.
Uh thanks to everyone uh whojoined us today.
If you um if you are watchingand you're not subscribed,
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It helps the algorithm, all that stuff.
We don't really ask that much,but I'm asking.

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Ploppity Please answer.

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Smash your BTs into the like and the into the
subscribe.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:04):
Oh, somebody just commented, Mitch is in the chat.
Hey Mitch.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:07):
Oh, yeah, there we go.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:08):
Yeah, nice, nice.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:10):
Yeah, we were we were just that letter from what
was from her, Mitch.
Um, yeah, we were talking aboutuh Jenny Linson and Katherine
Fraser, all your your old goodbuddies there, Mitch.
Um, but um, but we are out ofhere, and uh we'll see you next
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