Forbidden Questions Inside Scientology - Secrets of Scientology #14 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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SPEAKER_00 (00:25):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofBlown for Good, Scientology
Exposed.
I am joined today by my lovelywife, Claire.

SPEAKER_06 (00:34):
Hey, hey, everybody.
Happy Sunday.
Good to see you.

SPEAKER_00 (00:38):
Yay, yay, yay.
Um, today we're gonna do anepisode um on questions that
people basically withinScientology are not allowed to
ask.
We're gonna answer thoseforbidden questions.

SPEAKER_06 (00:53):
Yeah.
There's more forbidden questionsthan there are questions that
they're allowed to ask.

SPEAKER_00 (00:58):
Yeah, I was gonna say, you're not really when
where we worked, for any of youguys that are new to the
channel, we worked at theInternational Headquarters of
Scientology.
So at that location, as a C orgmember, you the one of the guys
that signs the billion-yearcontracts, um, you're not even
really allowed to ask a lot ofquestions.

SPEAKER_06 (01:19):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19):
You're you at that level, it's not like the higher
you get, the more the moreaccess to information you get.
You do see things that are goingon around you and you you you
definitely see that there's yousee things that regular
Scientologists would would newould never ever in a million
years see.

SPEAKER_04 (01:40):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:41):
But when something goes down, or when David
Miscavige, the chairman of theboard, Religious Technology
Center, when he says this is howwe're gonna do it, you're not
allowed to say, like, well,well, hold on, why don't we do
it this way?
You know, that's not a that'snot a thing that goes on even at
that level.

(02:01):
But for Scientologiststhemselves, the the things that
go on in Scientology, you'rebasically informed of what's
going on.
You're told this is what thenext thing you're going to do
is, and you just have to do itas and it in a lot of times,
it's a blanket thing that justgets applied to all

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Scientologists.

SPEAKER_06 (02:24):
Aaron Ross Powell Yep.
And there's a there's a verydifferent dynamic when it comes
to a member of the Corganization who signed a
billion-year contract asking aquestion versus a civilian
Scientologist asking a question.
Because if a civilianScientologist asks the wrong
question, that could cost themtens of thousands of dollars of
security checking andinterrogation and what have you

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been reading and all that, butthey have to pay for it.

unknown (02:49):
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 (02:49):
Yeah, but that would be like a question more more
often it's a question that'scritical of Scientology or David
Miscavige.
Like, hey, I already I alreadydid this course three times.
Why do I need to do it again?

SPEAKER_06 (03:03):
Right.
And that's uh and that's Ialready bought these books three
times.
Why do I have to buy them again?
Things like that.

SPEAKER_00 (03:09):
Yeah.
And that that those arequestions that are very often
asked by the by allScientologists.

SPEAKER_06 (03:17):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (03:18):
So um so you've got these questions, right?

SPEAKER_06 (03:21):
I do.
Yes.
So the first question that wehave here that we'll talk about,
why aren't members allowed toinvestigate criticism?

SPEAKER_00 (03:32):
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (03:34):
So well, first of all, I think it's you mean like
look on the internet.
Yeah, or you know, or even reada book.
Right.
Read a book or anything.
But I think f first andforemost, it's important to
understand that in Scientology,criticism is a bad thing.
In the real world, it's a goodthing.
It's like, hey, I'm thinkingabout things from all

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perspectives and you know,hearing different views and
things like that.
In Scientology, criticism isassociated and specifically
indoctrinated as somethingcreated because you've committed
transgressions.

SPEAKER_00 (04:11):
Yeah.
People that are asking questionsor being cr or or qu critical
questions, they're not uhthey're not following the the
lead that Scientology is tellingthem.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_06 (04:25):
Yeah, they're not towing the line.

SPEAKER_00 (04:26):
Yeah.
Like, hey, we're all doing this,and you're talking about not
doing this.

SPEAKER_06 (04:31):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (04:31):
So we need to sort you out.
You might be a flat ball bearingin the mix here.

unknown (04:36):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (04:38):
Yeah.
So I'm trying to think.
I think I want to say thatcriticizing Scientology or
questioning Scientologycritically to another
Scientologist, isn't that amisdemeanor?

SPEAKER_06 (04:52):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (04:53):
In Scientology's kind of like code of ethics.

SPEAKER_06 (04:56):
Yeah.
So there's a policy calledoffenses and penalties that
lists like hundreds of thingsthat are considered uh crimes,
misdemeanor misdemeanors,crimes, high crimes, and
suppressive acts.

SPEAKER_00 (05:09):
Okay.
Yeah, that's right.
Yep.
You can find those.
For all you Scientologists outthere, that's the stuff listed
in the ethics book.

SPEAKER_06 (05:16):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (05:18):
Um Yeah.
So they're not but but but evenearly on in scientist when
you're in Scientology, there's apolicy letter that you read on
every single course that'scalled KSW, keeping Scientology
Working.
Everybody refers to it inScientology as KSW.

SPEAKER_05 (05:37):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (05:39):
And in KSW, uh L.
Ron Hubbard basically says inthat policy that we've already
figured out the right way to dothis.
And any way that you think weshould do this is wrong.

SPEAKER_06 (05:52):
Yeah.
Any any ideas of how to improvethings are not welcome.

SPEAKER_00 (05:57):
Yeah.
Basically saying and he he saysin there, when he did take ideas
from people, then Scientologysort of fall f uh floundered and
was unsuccessful and almost wasex went you know bankrupt
because he followed ideas ortook criticisms and changed the

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way things were being done doneat the time.
Um and so then he says, yeah, wetried other things and they
didn't work.
So we're done with that.
We're not trying new shit.

SPEAKER_06 (06:28):
It's like I know best.
Yeah.
I know the way to do this, andeveryone else can just take a
hike.

SPEAKER_00 (06:35):
Yeah, he actually even says in there, he says, we
won't we won't contemplate or wedon't need to wonder how I rose
above the bank.
This is Elrond Hubbard talkingin his policy.

SPEAKER_06 (06:47):
Yeah, and by bank we mean reactive bank, which is the
source of all human uh failure.

SPEAKER_00 (06:53):
Aaron Powell Yeah.
He basically says we don't needto question how I did that.

SPEAKER_06 (06:59):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (06:59):
I did it.

SPEAKER_06 (07:00):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (07:01):
So just shut shut your face.

SPEAKER_06 (07:03):
Do as I say, not as I do.

SPEAKER_00 (07:07):
Anyway, I'm trying to think if there's any other
policies or if there's any otherplace in Scientology where they
specifically say don't ask this.
I think that's really it.
Well, the other thing is ifyou're thinking about leaving
Scientology because becauseyou're critical of it and you

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think, hey, this is a scam orthis is a cult or this is a
pyramid scheme, whatever youliken it to, and you say, I I'm
thinking of getting the heck outof here, if you say that to
another Scientologist, that is acrime.
And and if you do it, that's asuppressive act.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_06 (07:49):
Right.
And if the if the Scientologistthat you said that to doesn't
report you, then they are liablefor the same punishments as you
are.

SPEAKER_00 (07:59):
Aaron Powell Yeah, they get you're right.
Yeah, they get the same they getthe same the penalty is the same
for someone who didn't report itas the person who actually
committed the act.

SPEAKER_06 (08:09):
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
Yep, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (08:12):
Yahoo.

SPEAKER_06 (08:13):
Yeah, fun, fun, fun.
So definitely members are notallowed to investigate
criticism, even when there'ssomething significant that uh,
you know, like for example, thetragic death of Lisa McPherson,
there were Scientologists whoknew about that, but they're not

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allowed to question or ask whathappened or or even they're not
informed.
Like I'm sure many civilianScientologists in Clearwater, so
that happened in December 1995.
I'm sure there were there aremost civilian Scientologists
that at you know were doingservices at FLAG were unaware

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that that happened.

SPEAKER_00 (09:00):
Yeah, and even that's a good point because even
the people that were close tothat.
Um let me just see somethinghere.
Okay.
Um some of the people that wereclose to that, Hubb or not
Hubbard, Miscavige, kind ofpulled closer to his orbit so
that he could keep an eye onthose people.

SPEAKER_05 (09:21):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (09:22):
And he could sort of like control them a little bit
more.

SPEAKER_05 (09:26):
Or a lot.

SPEAKER_00 (09:27):
Yeah.
Like Bonetta Slaughter.

SPEAKER_06 (09:29):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (09:30):
Because she had a very close relationship with
Lisa McPherson.

SPEAKER_06 (09:33):
Right.
She worked at the same company,right?

SPEAKER_00 (09:35):
Yeah, I think she worked for um Bonetta.

SPEAKER_06 (09:39):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (09:39):
Or there was some kind of connection where they
were friendly within Scientologyand at and at work in two
different areas.
And Miscavige made BanettaSlaughter like the head of
applied scholastics in um theyhad like some learning center
somewhere in I I I want to sayit was in Oklahoma, but I don't

(10:02):
remember.
No, it was in St.
Louis.

SPEAKER_06 (10:04):
Yeah, I think it's a lot of people.
I think she even more recently,maybe even currently, joined the
C organization.

SPEAKER_00 (10:11):
I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_06 (10:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (10:12):
But either way, that was somebody who was close to
that situation that if she uhdefected, it would be a major,
major problem because she knew alot and she wasn't in the Sea
Org.
She was a a paying member ofScientology.

SPEAKER_05 (10:27):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (10:27):
So he had less control over her than he did.
Um, is it as if she was a C orgmember.

SPEAKER_05 (10:34):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (10:35):
Um I'm trying to think of uh anything else like
that that would be a goodexample.
That because you know uh I saythis a lot, but it's really,
really true.
There are a ton ofScientologists that watch this
channel.

SPEAKER_06 (10:48):
Oh yes.

SPEAKER_00 (10:48):
So we talked about that.
Under the radars.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 (11:01):
And that they've been watching and going, yeah,
what it's on point, right?

SPEAKER_00 (11:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (11:05):
Nothing has changed.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 (11:07):
Yeah.
We're not we're not telling somestories that happened a long
time ago and then they neverhappened again.
It's always the same things thatjust happen over and over again.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_06 (11:18):
Which is why we keep talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 (11:20):
And also a lot of these things that do happen,
Scientologists, there's a like alittle whisper web that goes
around amongst them.
And they're not really they'renot really questioning
Scientology.
They're just saying, hey, didyou hear what happened with the
blah, blah, blah?
And then they go, yeah.
And then they they both kind ofgot to wonder, is that guy under

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the radar?
Am I under the radar?
What's going on here?

SPEAKER_01 (11:44):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (11:45):
And so when we answer these questions, and when
we tell them why you knowScientologists aren't allowed to
ask questions and all theseother things, that rings true
with these people.
So they can even, even if theydon't know about the Lisa
McPherson thing, because thathappened in 1995.

SPEAKER_05 (12:03):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (12:03):
There was something that happened two years ago that
the same exact thing kind ofwent around, and then it was
just like, oh no, that, youknow, that it's the best one is
that there's publicScientologists, so paying
members.
Yes.

SPEAKER_06 (12:18):
So like civilian scientists.

SPEAKER_00 (12:19):
Civilian Scientologists.
We we try to differentiate forthe for the non-scientology
people.
The people that signed the C orguh contract for a billion years,
those are those people areforever bound to the
Scientology.
If you're a paying member or acivilian Scientologist, you're

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just paying for courses andcounseling.
And if you want to leave, youcould leave.
You might have to getdisconnected from your family if
your family are in Scientology.
But if you're the only person inyour social group or your work
group or anything that'sconnected to Scientology and you
leave, there's not reallyanything they can do.
The most leverage they have isover relatives, friends, or

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business associates that arealso in Scientology.

SPEAKER_05 (13:05):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (13:06):
And that's that is one of the reasons why
Scientologists often are haveall those things are all
Scientology, because that'sencouraged by Scientology.

SPEAKER_05 (13:17):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (13:19):
Okay.
Um do you want to um well we'llanswer the questions at the end.
I see Jacob Hart Harkey's got aquestion up here.
We'll answer the other ones atthe end.

SPEAKER_06 (13:28):
Yeah, we'll definitely get to that for sure.
So what's the other thing?
Okay, so the next question iswhy is looking at the internet
considered dangerous?
And specifically in regards tothe internet, I I thought this
was worthwhile talking aboutbecause as far back as 2000, um
the internet was starting tocause a lot of problems for
Scientology.

(13:48):
And I personally have seen howmuch um the access to the
internet accelerates thedecompression phase that someone
exiting Scientology very oftengoes through.
Like it used to be that, youknow, Scientology would keep
tabs on those people and andhave someone reporting to them,

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following their movements and soforth.
But now with the, you know, withthe where things have gotten to,
you know, someone can get outand just go on a deep dive on
the internet and learn all kindsof things.
And it it dramatically speeds upthat that decompression phase.

SPEAKER_00 (14:28):
Aaron Powell Yeah.
The other thing that I think ithelps with is in Scientology,
when you're in that world andyou're basically living a
Scientology life, there's peoplethat disappear from your life
all the time in Scientology.

SPEAKER_06 (14:46):
For sure.

SPEAKER_00 (14:47):
If you are a paying member and you're going to the
organization, you might alwayssee Susan, who's the person that
tells you what your next courseis and all that stuff.
And Susan could have been atthat organization for 10 years.
Right.
And you go into the advancedorganization of Los Angeles one
day, and Susan's just gone.

unknown (15:07):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (15:07):
And there's another person there doing that.
Right.
And you say, What happened toSusan?
And then that person says, Oh,she's on a project.

SPEAKER_01 (15:14):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (15:15):
And you're like, Okay, is she gonna come back?
Or da da da?
And then they're like, Oh, butyou know, she's on a project.
It could be two months, could betwenty years.
We don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (15:26):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (15:27):
And then you go to Clearwater, Florida, to do your
your upper levels that you canonly do there, and you see Susan
running around in black diggingup weeds on the sort side of the
corner or whatever, and you'relike, oh, she was on a project.
The rehabilitation project,force.

SPEAKER_06 (15:47):
And so Oh dear, poor Susan.

SPEAKER_00 (15:50):
Yeah, but they do that all the time.
Yes.
It's a regular occurrence whensomebody just disappears.
They just say, Oh, that personwent on a project.

SPEAKER_05 (15:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (16:00):
And that is in Scientology, that is a it's a
genuine answer that does happen.
People do go on projects.
They go to another organizationor they go to another country to
get science fix up some problemthat they're having somewhere
here or there or everywhere.
And then you don't see thatperson again.
But then you never ever see themagain.

SPEAKER_01 (16:24):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (16:24):
And that's the part that's weird, is that they left
and they're gone.
And a lot of times their husbandstill works at the place where
she where Susan worked, herhusband works there too.
So you kind of go like, so shewent somewhere, her husband
didn't go with her.

SPEAKER_01 (16:41):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (16:41):
And that's it.
That's just the end of it.
We're never gonna see Susanagain.

SPEAKER_06 (16:45):
Right.
And so But that and that's alsonot uncommon.
Like that wouldn't stand outbecause husbands and wives are
often separated, as we were.

SPEAKER_00 (16:54):
Yeah, but where the internet comes in is you can go
on the internet and you can typein Susan, her last name, and
then you find out Susan's noteven in the Sea Org anymore, and
she's talking smack about themon some message port somewhere.
And you're like, she ain't on aproject.
She flew the coop.

SPEAKER_06 (17:13):
Here, I have to show this.
This makes me laugh.
Love Food Kitchen.
Susan, we haven't heard muchabout her.
Was Susan's replacement BillyBob?

SPEAKER_00 (17:20):
No, Susan is the female Billy Bob, okay?
I I don't have a good uh ElmaRay.
I can't I what's a goodequivalent?
A Susan.
I like a Susan because SusieSue?
No.
Susie Sue.
That's a good one.
I like to like Susie Sue.
Okay, we'll change it to SusieSue.

SPEAKER_06 (17:39):
Susie Sue and Billy Bob.

SPEAKER_00 (17:40):
Susie Sue and Billy Bob.

SPEAKER_06 (17:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (17:42):
There is a Susan everywhere in Scientology.

SPEAKER_06 (17:46):
For sure.
There's always a lot of Susans.
There's always a Susan.
There's Susans who have escaped.
There's Susans who are stillthere.
There's Susan's on therehabilitation project for
Susan.
Susan's on the decks.

SPEAKER_00 (17:56):
You know what's also funny, which they have a lot of
there?
Karen's.

SPEAKER_06 (18:00):
Oh, they do.
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (18:02):
I knew four Karen's at the end base.
There's tons of Karen's.

SPEAKER_06 (18:07):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (18:08):
Karen Priori.
They called her KK, but her namewas Karen.

SPEAKER_06 (18:11):
And there was Karen West.

SPEAKER_00 (18:12):
Karen West.
There was also uh Karen uhHollander.
That was the uh I am.

SPEAKER_06 (18:19):
And then there's a few Karen who are former
members, like Karen De LaCarrière, Karen Presley, Schles.

SPEAKER_00 (18:26):
I'm telling you.
They have their stock ofKaren's.

SPEAKER_06 (18:28):
They did.
That was way before Karen becameKaren.

SPEAKER_00 (18:32):
Yeah.
Yeah, way back.

SPEAKER_06 (18:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (18:35):
Anyway, so the thing about the Internet that I'm
trying to get to, though, is alot of people in Scientology go
missing and they never hearabout them again.

SPEAKER_01 (18:45):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (18:46):
And when people get on the internet and they search
that person, sometimes they showup and they know.
Or somebody like us has postedsomething and or we've done a
video about all these differentthings that happened, and one of
those people happened to be inthe orbit of that story.
Yeah.
And they go, oh my God, that'sblah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_06 (19:04):
And that's even how You know, that's the whole
purpose of the Aftermath Connectprogram, which we have on the
Aftermath Foundation website ofFind a Missing Person.
The idea of that was if you'velost a loved one or a friend or
something else to Scientology,you can post there.
And the whole goal of that iswhen that person eventually gets

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out and searches their name.
That will pop up in the top, youknow, so you leave messages for
them and so on and so forth.
And we've had a few cases wherethat was successful, which is
awesome.

SPEAKER_00 (19:39):
Okay.
I think that's uh I mean theInternet the Internet will be
credited as one of the majorforces that sort of defanged
Scientology and also has beenexposing Scientology for
decades.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
Right.

SPEAKER_06 (19:58):
Because it creates a transparency that that
Scientology cannot undo.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 (20:04):
Yeah, and they can't use their systems to shut it
down.
They've already tried thatScientology has tried every
legal thing possible to shutdown things on the internet.
They've been that for for all ofthe 90s and the 2000s, they were
trying to get websites shut downand suing people that were

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hosting servers and all thesedifferent things.

SPEAKER_06 (20:28):
Infiltrate um message boards.

SPEAKER_00 (20:30):
Which they have done.
Yeah.
And they were successful in kindof derailing a specific site.
But now there's so many peopleand so many places where you can
get information aboutScientology that's factual.
Not the homogenized versionScientology gives you, but what
they really actually are up to.

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And they don't have a way, theyreally don't have a way to plug
those holes.
There's a thousand holes intheir ship that are leaking or
letting water in or however itworks.
Yep.
I'm not a scientist.
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (21:06):
You're not?

SPEAKER_00 (21:07):
Um what's the what's the next question?

SPEAKER_06 (21:09):
Okay, next question here.
Let me get back to my note.
All right.
Why are members discouraged fromasking where the money goes?

SPEAKER_00 (21:19):
That's a good question.
So in Scientology, the money,the how they how they process
funds is very, very, very likewritten in stone.

SPEAKER_04 (21:34):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (21:35):
Um they have certain accounts they're supposed to
keep.
There's certain percentages thatevery organization needs to send
to the next level uporganization, whether it's the
continent or the internationallevel or whatever it is.
If a dollar comes in, theorganization does not get to
keep the largest portion of thatdollar.

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That dollar moves on to the nextorganization.
organization that's co orroyalties from the the the
business that manages L.
Ron Hubbard's like his hisworks.
So essentially in Scientologythey have all these different
organizations set up that aregrabbing a piece of that dollar.

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And they can't really not dothat.
If you're a Scientologyorganization and you made
$10,000, it doesn't matter thatyour rent is overdue, it doesn't
matter if the the gas or the oilor the heat or AC is going to
get shut off.
You're still going to give thatroyalty for L.
Ron Hubbard still going to L.

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Ron Hubbard's organization,Author Services Incorporated.

SPEAKER_01 (22:45):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (22:46):
So it's that same way with management, with all
these other things.
The other thing that's kind ofcrazy about Scientology in the
in the in the finance end of itis when they build one of these
new ideal organizations, theyfundraise so all the people in
Buffalo that are the big wigs inBuffalo and any other big wigs

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that used to live in Buffalo orwant to give them a million
bucks for the Buffaloorganization, they get all that
money together, they buy, buildor renovate a building and then
when that building's done, theorganization in Buffalo does not
own that building.

SPEAKER_06 (23:24):
That's right.

SPEAKER_00 (23:25):
Scientology International now has property
or the building or whatever.
And if the Buffalo organizationjust goes kaput, they can sell
that property and make a ton ofdough.

SPEAKER_04 (23:39):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (23:40):
And so the Buffalo organization what they end up
having to do is they become atenant of I think it's called I
c it's I can't remember the nameof the it used to be called
CIPRO, Scientology InternationalProperty Renovations
Organization or something likethat.

SPEAKER_06 (23:59):
I mean the post of international landlord as the
name implies means that thoseorganizations will pay rent to
in int management even thoughthey fundraise locally to
purchase the building.
And Amy Scoby has talked aboutthe the scenario when she was

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responsible for like she was thehead management position over
Scientology organizations.
And there was a time that one ofthe organizations was getting
evicted for not paying theirrent and David Miscavige
demanded that she personally outof her pocket pay the$5,000 to

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avert that eviction which ofcourse no C org member has
$5,000.
Most of them in those daysdidn't even have bank accounts.

SPEAKER_00 (24:49):
Yeah and and certainly$5,000 you might as
well be a quatrillionaire in theC org five oh my gosh.
Dude you know how muchcigarettes and coffee you could
buy with$5,000?
This guy's this guy's this guy'sa baller.

SPEAKER_06 (25:03):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (25:03):
Oh my goodness yeah anyway so yeah so the finances
are and also here's a crazything.
So when they had the the the thestandard finance system which
L.Run Hubbard devised all of theall of these percentages come
out of the money thatScientology gets.

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But that's for training onScientology courses or getting
counseling in a Scientologyorganization.
When they switched over to thisfundraising method that's a
whole new thing.
And because there's no suchthing as fundraising in
Scientology because L RonHubbard said not to do it.

SPEAKER_01 (25:45):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (25:45):
There's no rules on where that how that money gets
dealt with.

SPEAKER_01 (25:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (25:49):
And whatever rules have been put in place I can
guarantee you right now if youraise a million dollars in
Buffalo Buffalo ain't gettingthat million dollars.
That that million bucks is goingup to David Miscavige in RTC or
the IAS or what or whatevercampaign he's running, that's

(26:11):
the place that's getting thatmoney just like the building
ones.

SPEAKER_01 (26:14):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (26:14):
When they ri fundraise for buildings the
Scientology international andDavid miscavige are controlling
all that money.

SPEAKER_06 (26:24):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (26:24):
And they don't have to tell you anything about it.
It's a donation.

SPEAKER_06 (26:28):
Exactly like any Scientologist making a donation
to the IAS the InternationalAssociation of Scientologists
none of them are ever allowed toask well what is this money
going to be used for?
Where is it going?
Those are all bid in questionsbecause it's critical or it's
just asking it's actually askinga very logical question but it's

(26:51):
not allowed.

SPEAKER_00 (26:52):
Yeah but you know you just brought up something
you're not really allowed I meanthere's rules I'm sure they're
not following them but ifsomebody says I'm donating this
money for this thing and theyfundraised that money for this
thing in the nonprofit worldyou're really supposed to put

(27:13):
that money towards that thing.

SPEAKER_06 (27:14):
Yeah it's called restricted funds when you say
okay I'm I'm do making thisdonation to this program you
that you're agreeing and and asa nonprofit you're required to
document that and account forthat that that those funds are
earmarked for that program andit's a very precise specific

(27:36):
thing.

SPEAKER_00 (27:37):
Yeah so I guarantee you I mean that it's similar
there was a lawsuit many, manyyears ago where they were
raising money for the newbuilding this new Superpower
building.
Superpower building in inClearwater, Florida.
It's a giant new building thatthey built I don't remember.

SPEAKER_06 (27:54):
They built now it uh it opened like a a while ago
now.
I want to say like 2013 orsomething like that.

SPEAKER_00 (28:00):
Aaron Ross Powell Yeah but they had there was
going to be a cross on thatbuilding and they went to like
eight different people and gotmoney to pay for the cross.
So it was like hey we need500,000 from you for this cross
and it'll be you'll be theperson that put the cross on the
building and then they did thatto another handful of people and

(28:22):
then those people found outabout it.
They're like well you know Ipaid for the cross and then the
other guy's like the hell youdid I paid for the cross and
then you know there's sevenpeople who paid for the cross
and the cross cost$1,000.

SPEAKER_06 (28:33):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (28:35):
Okay next question.

SPEAKER_06 (28:37):
Okay.
So why can't C org memberssimply leave?

SPEAKER_00 (28:43):
Well that's a very complicated question.
It is there's layers there'slayers to that and it also
depends on what C org facilityyou are at um on how many layers
there are.

SPEAKER_05 (28:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (28:58):
If you joined the C organization in Los Angeles at
one of the Los Angelesorganizations or Clearwater for
that matter you join the Sea Organd you can't cut it and you
don't want to do that anymoreand you were cleaning rooms at
the Fort Harrison or at one ofthese hotels they have down
there I don't think you're goingto have as much of a problem

(29:22):
trying to leave.
You're going to have problemsand they're going to mess with
you.
But if you're the only person inyour family that's in
Scientology, again, they don'treally have any leverage and
they can't really do anything.
If you are a Scientologist andyour whole friend group and
family and business associatesand everything is involved in
Scientology and then you leaveand you leave the C org there's

(29:48):
they're going to you're going tohave to be on a very tight
program of the things thatyou're going to do to repair why
you left the C organization.
Right.
And they're going to bebasically be keeping an eye on
you and make sure you don't stirup nonsense with any other
Scientologist.
But for the most part it iseasier to leave from one of

(30:10):
those physical restrictions.

SPEAKER_06 (30:13):
But no C org member no member of the C organization
is allowed to just say I want toleave and then it's like okay
great walk out the door goodbye.
And this is the reason why manyC org members choose to escape
because if they say I want toleave to the um the police

(30:33):
person, the ethics officer, thenthe automatic response is
supposed to be to put them onwhat's called a leaving staff
routing form.
And the whole purpose of thatrouting form is to change their
minds and get them to stay.
And that that involves securitychecking interrogations
oftentimes heavy manual laboroftentimes segregation from

(30:57):
their partner or their friendsyou know they're put on the on
the decks and put under securitywatch all those extreme measures
are all designed to change theirmind.

SPEAKER_00 (31:07):
Aaron Ross Powell Yeah and I would say there's an
added layer to that which is itserves two purposes to to try to
get you to stay and then if youdon't stay and you do leave they
have all the documentation theyneed because they just did an
interrogation on you for threeweeks straight.
So they know every single badthing you've ever done in your

(31:30):
entire life.

SPEAKER_05 (31:31):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (31:32):
And they can make a a mountain out of a molehill of
any one of those things.

SPEAKER_06 (31:36):
And they do they and they often then if the person
finally reaches the final stepsthey will video the person now.
They didn't they they had juststarted doing this when we
escaped.

SPEAKER_02 (31:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (31:47):
But they'll make the person sign a declaration saying
oh yeah David Miscavige wouldnever hurt a bird yeah uh
everything was wonderful Icommitted these heinous crimes
and that's the reason I'mleaving like all of that.
And of course by that point theperson who is trying to just get
out of there is just sodesperate to get be shown the

(32:12):
door that they just go ahead andsign.

SPEAKER_00 (32:14):
Yeah most of the time when when the person has
gotten to that stage it's beenweeks or months that it took to
get to this and they know it'sthe last thing they have to do
to GTFO.
And it's like I'll do I'll andthey are they're like I'll sign
whatever you want.
You guys have been torturing mefor months and trying to get me
to stay and I do not want tostay.

SPEAKER_05 (32:37):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (32:37):
So they have all this ammunition and they
basically tell you as well youbetter not say anything.
Yeah.
And that you're signingnondisclosure bonds in some
cases even now in some instancesnow they're also paying enough
money with your signature youagree not to say anything.

SPEAKER_06 (33:00):
Right.
When there when there's umfinancial exchange of funds it
it weight it puts more weight toit.

SPEAKER_00 (33:08):
Aaron Ross Powell It does and and that's that's kind
of a crazy thing because thepeople that escape Scientology
the the the thing we're talkingabout route right now is called
routing out because like Clairesaid you do this leaving staff
routing form which basicallyit's just a form that says go
see this person and then whenthat person's done they sign it

(33:31):
off and says now go see the nextperson.
And so you go through all thesedifferent people and one step
could take six months.

SPEAKER_06 (33:37):
For sure.
Because one of those steps is aleaving staff sex check security
check where you're going to beinterrogated for what crimes
have you committed right rightbefore you decided you wanted to
GTFO.
What crimes did you commit?

SPEAKER_00 (33:51):
Yes.
And so they get all of that andthen that's how you're that's
how you leave and they give yousome money and they make you
sign some documents.
Well if you escape it's the fasttrack routing form.
It's got one step GTF up.

SPEAKER_06 (34:09):
You just have to succeed.

SPEAKER_00 (34:10):
Yes.
You do have to succeed.

SPEAKER_06 (34:12):
Because because if you don't succeed chances are
it's going to be a way longerroad.

SPEAKER_00 (34:18):
Yeah but that's the other reason why some of these
other locations are a little biteasier.
Correct when you're at theInternational Scientology base,
you're in the middle of thedesert essentially Yeah there's
no you know you don't and youdon't have a phone so it's not
like you if you think about itin real world terms, barely
anyone has a car.

SPEAKER_06 (34:40):
So you have no vehicle uh it's a long walk even
it's like four miles even to apayphone at least.
Yeah maybe more.

SPEAKER_00 (34:49):
But also you don't have a lot of money normally
most people in the Sea Org umdon't have a lot of money.
There's a there's a few zec afew exceptions.

SPEAKER_06 (35:00):
Like sometimes the the children of wealthy
Scientologists are in the SeaOrg and they've got an Amex card
and their parents are justMelissa Fashback they they had
money.

SPEAKER_00 (35:12):
Trevor Burrus Yeah but they could do anything with
that credit card.
Right.
They could get a biophone theycould get a plane ticket
whatever they needed they justshow up with that credit card
and they're good to go.
Now that's not the case for mostSea members.
So if you have no logisticalwherewithal to make a call or to
get a car or to do anything.

(35:34):
And also at that property mostof those people have been very,
very heavily secluded from thereal world for at least a decade
or so.
So they don't know how the realworld works for the most part.
I mean we didn't even know youdidn't even know what a calling
card was when you tried toleave.

(35:54):
This was I mean cell phones werea thing back then.

SPEAKER_06 (35:58):
But the cell phones that we had were owned by
Scientology and they wouldregularly check the phone
records.

SPEAKER_04 (36:05):
Yes.

SPEAKER_06 (36:06):
And if you if they found in the phone records that
you'd made a call that was notauthorized, the phone would be
taken away.
It wasn't our personal it wasn'tan open line in other words.
Aaron Ross Powell totally so andin fact I've heard by the way
that now the phones that theygive to members of the C
organization are pre-programmedwith the authorized phone

(36:28):
numbers and none others areallowed.

SPEAKER_00 (36:30):
Aaron Ross Powell Well they also have this little
kind of net nanny spyware onthere that keeps track of if
they go on the interwebs wherethey're going on the interwebs.
There's some sort of filter.
I don't know if this is true Ialso heard this from at least
two or three different peoplethat had escaped is that they
weren't allowed to have iPhonesbecause iPhones don't allow you

(36:51):
to put that tracker software ona phone I don't know if that's
still the case.
Yeah I don't know it seems likethat would make sense that they
would make them get Androidphones so that they could put
this sort of app on there thatis very intrusive to your
privacy.

SPEAKER_06 (37:08):
Oh Catherine said that's exactly right Mark about
iPhones.

SPEAKER_00 (37:12):
Let's see what she said here.
Yeah oh that's exactly rightabout iPhones.
Yeah so so that's a very tellingthing that they're not even
going to allow people in the Seato have a certain phone because
then they can't put on thistracking stuff that they want to
use to track the person who hasthe phone.

SPEAKER_06 (37:31):
So yeah I mean talk about crazy levels of control
right it's just you can't youcan't even they don't do not
want you to Google DavidMiscavige.
They don't want you to GoogleScientology I mean the long the
list is long.

SPEAKER_00 (37:46):
Yeah there's a video on this channel the whole almost
the whole reason I created thischannel the Blum for Good
channel I think was I want tosay I made it in 2008.

SPEAKER_05 (37:58):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (37:59):
And I just had it as a place to put videos I thought
would be interesting onScientology.
Not with me in them it was justa whatever but one of those
really old videos is the numberof domains that Scientology they
registered.

SPEAKER_06 (38:14):
Yes the the hate websites.

SPEAKER_00 (38:16):
But not even the hate websites because some of
them are the David Miscavigesites as well.
So they they have thousands andthousands and thousands of
domains registered.
So if you search davidmiscavige's beatspeople it goes
to Scientology's official pagefor David Miscavige.

(38:39):
But that if you look through thelist I I think you can play it
on half speed um it's justbasically the entire list
scrolling the it's a it's a fewminutes long.
It's a lot of domains.
Yeah.
So there's one that are what wecall the hate sites and then I
can't remember what we calledthe other ones.

(38:59):
They were it was basically likea the PR sites that would
basically just channel peoplewho are looking up bad things
about David Miscavige.
But like some of the domains areri ridiculous like David
Miscavige LronHubbard bestfriend dot com.
You're just like you guys don'tknow how the internet works.

(39:19):
You don't type in this I meanmaybe at the time that was a
thing to do just make the searchthe domain anyway I think that's
I think we've answered thatquestion sufficiently.

SPEAKER_06 (39:32):
So why can't that's the answer to why can't SEO
members simply leave?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And and most of it does have todo with the leverage and control
that Scientology exerts on itsmembers um you know and will
absolutely use their familyagainst them, their friends
against them.
It's to me, in closing it speaksto how small Scientology

(39:55):
actually is that most of thepeople there cannot just leave
because their family friends,the people they work for or
whatever is all tied into thatworld.

SPEAKER_00 (40:05):
Totally.
And the another thing that Iwant to say about this is
Scientology claims it hasmillions and millions and
millions of tens of millions ofmembers worldwide.
Right.
Which is completely horseshitbut the thing that really the
thing that really pushes thishome that it is horseshit is if

(40:26):
you had 10 million members andJohnny no Suzy Sue in Kia Cuck
wants to leave Scientology whocares 10 million people what do
we need Suzy Sue for I know butif you have but if you have
10,000 and Susie Sue wants toleave and she might take two

(40:48):
other people with her we got abig situation on our hands.

SPEAKER_06 (40:52):
Right.
That was one of the biggest wakeup calls to me when we got out
was they would not leave usalone.
That and that's what's so ironicnow that in the amicus brief in
the Danny Masterson trial,they're claiming I won't leave
them alone.
I'm like, oh isn't that sweet wecouldn't get more further from

(41:13):
the truth.

SPEAKER_00 (41:14):
Yeah there were hate websites about us up for years.

SPEAKER_06 (41:18):
They had they had that private investigator dude
that would walk by our houseevery day at the same time in
the afternoon when we lived inBurbank California while I was
pregnant with our first son andthey were doing the trash
collections.
They were not only getting ourphone records but also had
detailed some summaries of everysingle person we'd called and

(41:41):
what we talked about.

SPEAKER_00 (41:43):
Yeah it was kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_06 (41:45):
It was completely crazy.

SPEAKER_00 (41:46):
When we got those ironically we got them when Mike
Rinder left yes not even rightwhen he left years after he left
I think he left in 2007 He did.
And we got those I want to sayin like 2010 or something like
that.
It was years and years later andit was simply just because he

(42:08):
had a folder of a bunch of backand forth communications he was
he was having but then he alsohad another folder and inside
that folder was another folderand there were literally
hundreds and hundreds of folderswith hundreds and hundreds
thousands of documents and hehadn't gone through every single
one.
He just was like yeah it's abunch of the he thought oh it's
just a bunch of the dispatchesthat I typed up and sent to

(42:30):
David Miscavige.

SPEAKER_03 (42:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (42:32):
And then it turned out to just be an insane amount
of stuff.
Well when he first left heturned that over to the FBI.
He did but we never really sawany of that and we knew he had
it and we were just likewhatever.
And then one day I said hey doyou mind if I paw through this
thing?
And then I was like dude there'sa lot of stuff in here that you
didn't know was in here.

SPEAKER_05 (42:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (42:53):
Um but regardless um I'm trying to remember what I
was going to say.
Oh Scientology in that stuffthey were doing things all those
documents showed that they weredoing tons of s crazy stuff to
try and harass us that we didn'teven know about.
Exactly.
So for us to then I think lit mybook came out in we left in two

(43:18):
January 2005.

SPEAKER_06 (43:19):
Yep and my book came out November 2009.
November 5th 2009.

SPEAKER_00 (43:24):
Yeah sorry we left January 2005.

SPEAKER_06 (43:27):
That's what you said.

SPEAKER_00 (43:28):
Okay yeah and my book came out in November of
2009.

SPEAKER_05 (43:32):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (43:33):
Of course we I was posting on the interwebs on why
we protest and Zenu and uh OCMBand X Scientology message board
all these things that existed atthe time but I didn't have a
book come out until 2009.

SPEAKER_01 (43:50):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (43:51):
During that entire four years they were busy busy
bees trying to destroy us inevery single capacity
whatsoever.
Yep.
And so it's kind of like it tookyou guys were messing with me
for four years.
And I was like, there's I gottatell everybody my side of this.
You guys are and that's reallywhy I wanted to put the book out

(44:13):
was to say, no, no, this is whatthese guys do.
Who cares about me?
I'm just one guy.

SPEAKER_01 (44:19):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (44:19):
This is a whole s situation here all over the
world.

SPEAKER_06 (44:23):
This is a world uh organizational system uh
systemic abuse.

SPEAKER_00 (44:28):
Yeah, this is thousands of people that are
getting abused.
It's not my fault that that'shappening.
Right.
I'm just here by myself inBurbank.

SPEAKER_06 (44:37):
Um just trying to raise our raise a family, got
young kids, start from nothing,like build a life from
absolutely nothing with zerocredit, zero anything.

SPEAKER_00 (44:50):
But also, we weren't out to do anything to them.
No.
We were just gonna go.
We wanted to leave and live ourlife.
Yeah.
It was them basically poking usfor four years straight.

SPEAKER_05 (45:03):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (45:03):
That was like, you guys, this is crazy that you're
doing this.
Yeah.
And I would say that.
I would say, if you havemillions and millions of
members, why would you give ashit about me and Claire?

SPEAKER_06 (45:15):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (45:15):
Who cares?
It's like a rounding error ofmembers.

SPEAKER_06 (45:19):
Exactly.
And speaking of which, there isno member of the C organization
that breaks free whether theyescape, whether they've gone
through the torture ofinterrogations.
Not one single one of thosepeople walks out the door and
goes, I'm gonna get these guys.
It's not how it happens.

(45:41):
No.
That certainly was not ourperspective.
But you're right, they keptpoking and poking and poking and
poking and would not leave usalone, no matter what we did.
And I I I've said before, themoment child services showed up
at our door with that boguscomplaint was the moment for me
that I was like, you know what?
Yes, I was born and raised inthe C organization, and I was I

(46:04):
suffered all kinds of trauma andabuse, and I'm uh scared
shitless of these people.
But that's it.
You've crossed a line, gameover.
I'm speaking out publicly, and Ido not care anymore.
I'm done with this nonsense.

SPEAKER_00 (46:20):
Yeah, I'm trying to think I want to say that that's
probably a very similarsituation to all the other
people who have written booksabout Scientology.
If you think of the people, MikeRinder, Amy Scobie, Jeff
Hawkins, Chris Shelton, thesepeople were basically harassed

(46:41):
after they left.
Or they or they wanted to messwith them, or in the case of
some of these new people thatare coming out and writing books
or whatever, they want to tellthe story that happened happened
to them in the location ofScientology that they were in.
Right.
Because a lot of these, Amy,Jeff, and my book and Mike's

(47:03):
book, those a lot of those takeplace at the international
headquarters.

SPEAKER_05 (47:06):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (47:07):
So you can find out a lot about the international
headquarters of Scientology.
If you're a Scientologist or anex-scientologist that's watching
this and you have questions thatwent on about what went on at
the international headquarters,there's four books you can buy
that will tell you pretty muchthe entire scene.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_06 (47:25):
Yeah.
Which, by the way, speaking ofwhich, somebody mentioned in the
comments and I wanted to mentiontoo, Marriott Lindstein also put
out a her memoir on her years inScientology.
Unfortunately, it's not inEnglish, but she uh I messaged
her about it saying, Oh, I justsaw that this came out.
Turns out she released it in2024 and I just didn't know.

SPEAKER_00 (47:45):
That's not one of these uh the the Fog Island
ones.
This is a totally separate.

SPEAKER_06 (47:50):
This is actually a memoir of her life in
Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 (47:53):
Nice.

SPEAKER_06 (47:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (47:54):
We should put a link to it.
At least the Swedes can see it.

SPEAKER_06 (47:58):
Yep.
And and it's in two otherlanguages, I think.
But yeah, she said um thatbecause there are a lot of
memoirs in English already thatshe doesn't think it's going to
get translated.
But anyway, nonetheless, she hasuh and yeah, anyway.

SPEAKER_00 (48:15):
Okay, let's do the next question.

SPEAKER_06 (48:17):
Okay.
What questions did you neverdare ask while inside?

SPEAKER_00 (48:24):
Well, we didn't ask I I mean I didn't ask any
questions.
I knew uh I knew the score, Iknew what time it was.
You that's the other kind ofcrazy thing about it is when you
have to do something or whenyou're punished or you know,
it's usually it's usually agroup thing.

(48:45):
Sometimes one person can get introuble at the international
headquarters.
That happens all the time.
But what happens even more thanthat is an entire group or
division of an organization.
So like uh the whole entire timethat I was at the international
headquarters, I was in GoldenEra Productions.

SPEAKER_05 (49:05):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (49:06):
And that has a it has the HCO, Hubbard
Communications Office, which iskind of like the police and the
administrative people of theorganization.
Then it has dissemination, ithas treasury, the accounts
department, and then they havecinematography, audio,
marketing, um what are some uhcinematography?

(49:27):
They have all these differentestates, like a uh like a
facilities organization thatcreate build-s is the one that
provides all the meals and allthat does all the grounds
management.

SPEAKER_06 (49:37):
That's right.

SPEAKER_00 (49:37):
They have services within them.
So food and services.
Provides the lodging for all thestaff and so David Miscavige, if
something happened like one timeeverybody got food poisoning.
Um and so the the division orthe service department that made
all the food, the entiredepartment got investigated and

(49:59):
were on an extended schedule oryou know, punished as a group.
And that was sort of like aweekly thing.
Uh the next month, the estate,entire state's division could be
put on a punishment or some sortof penalties, or they were all
in a lower condition.
And then sometimes you'd haveyou'd have four or five

(50:19):
divisions that were in that, andthen David Miscavige's say, no,
the entire, all of Golden EraProductions is in lower
conditions.
So you know, 15-minute mealbreaks, um, extended schedules,
uh, don't be late for muster.
If you're late for muster, youhave to stay up all night.
If you're late a second time,you go to the rehabilitation

(50:40):
project force is what's calledthe RPF.
So that you so it was never atime when everybody was doing
awesome.
That time, that time never ifyou if your division was doing
awesome, there was two otherdivisions that were sucking it
hard.

SPEAKER_04 (50:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (50:59):
And they were getting just ground into the
ground.
And then when those divisionswere sky high, your division was
deep in the mud, and you werethe one sucking it.
So it was like what question doyou need to ask?
The question would be why isthis place such a fucking

(51:19):
nightmare?

SPEAKER_04 (51:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (51:21):
But you know why it's a nightmare, because
there's this one guy, and that'sthe other thing.
The the the head of Golden EraProductions could not assign
Golden Era Productions lowerconditions.
There's not even there's notenough facility or some way that
that person could say, all ofyou guys are this is this is

(51:41):
like a an edict that's comingdown because David Miscavige
personally runs thatorganization.
So if he thinks the audio guysare hot shit and now you've
assigned them something, nowyou're you're kind of messing
with him.
Yep.
So the only reason that thesedivisions or the organizations,
and there's other, there's likefour or five other organizations

(52:03):
at the internationalheadquarters besides Golden Air
Productions, but he's the onlyone who gets to say this
organization or this division orall organizations on the
international headquarters.
He's the only one who gets tosay when that happens.
Yep.
And that he used thatirregularly.

SPEAKER_04 (52:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (52:23):
So I don't really think of a time where I where I
personally had a question and itwas I knew not to ask it.

SPEAKER_06 (52:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (52:36):
When it w the you you learn.

SPEAKER_06 (52:39):
Yeah.
There were many times.

SPEAKER_00 (52:41):
You learn what not to do because you see the other
person go, like, they say, Hey,you got into a car accident.
And so you get an interview onan e-meter, and they need to
find out who the suppressive isin your life that you got into
this car accident.
And Billy Bob Then you can'tname a good hat.

(53:01):
Bill Billy Bob's on the e-meter,and the only person that's
harassing him and making hislife horrible is David
Miscavige.
Right.
And so he says, Who'ssuppressing me?
Uh yeah, David Miscavige is theguy who's suppressing me.
And then you don't see Billy Bobever again after that.
Right.
And you know, there's thewhisper web goes, like, oh, he

(53:21):
said David Miscavige.
They call it your what is it?

SPEAKER_06 (53:25):
Your who.

SPEAKER_00 (53:26):
Your your who or your item.

SPEAKER_06 (53:27):
Yeah, your yeah, who your PTS to or yeah, who your
PTS to.

SPEAKER_00 (53:32):
And so you say David Miscavige, and uh people, there
was multiple people that thatdid this over the years that I
was at least I knew I could listoff ten people.

SPEAKER_06 (53:40):
Absolutely.
At one point there was a projectto go through everyone's folders
to find out who had said DavidMiscavige was the suppressive
person on their case, and allthose people were carted out of
there.

SPEAKER_00 (53:52):
Anyway, so you hear about that through the Whisper
Web.
When somebody that's the otherthing that I think might be
different about theinternational headquarters, is
Dave's doing so much crazy,crazy things.

SPEAKER_04 (54:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:03):
And there's enough people around that are
witnessing it, and some of thosepeople aren't the most loyal.

SPEAKER_05 (54:10):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (54:10):
And so then they get in the back and they're like,
Did you hear what thismotherfucker did?
And then you're like, hey, dude,take an easy.
And I'm like, Jesus.

SPEAKER_05 (54:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:18):
You're gonna get us all lit up here.

SPEAKER_04 (54:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:20):
Um, so I don't think I'm trying I just don't think I
ever you know not what not toask.
So it's kind of funny if yousay, Well, what question would
you have asked?
You go, no, you you you know,you know why it's crazy.

SPEAKER_06 (54:37):
Yes, you know, there's no question.
You just don't have an easy wayout.

SPEAKER_00 (54:40):
And you can't and you can't tell people, even if
you think, oh, I'm having somemajor clarity right now.
This guy's a son of a bitch.

SPEAKER_06 (54:47):
Right.
Like you and I never had thatconversation.

SPEAKER_00 (54:50):
Never once.

SPEAKER_06 (54:51):
Never.
Never once.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:53):
In how many years were we there married when we
were there?

SPEAKER_06 (54:57):
13.

SPEAKER_00 (54:57):
Yeah, which is a it's a long time in the regular
world, I think, for some people.
It's an eternity in the Sea Org.

SPEAKER_06 (55:04):
It is.
And that's why we always say ourmarriage is a statistical
anomaly.
Yeah.
So very few people whosemarriage survived that that
disaster and chaos.

SPEAKER_00 (55:14):
And not because they don't like each other.

SPEAKER_06 (55:16):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (55:17):
Because one of them will get sent to the RPF and
never come back to thatorganization again.

SPEAKER_06 (55:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (55:22):
Okay, let's do the next question.

SPEAKER_06 (55:24):
Yeah.
Um, and actually, I suggest thatwe just do we end here because
we're already almost at an hour.
So let's do our questions andthen we can do another round of
this.
So for anyone watching, yeah.
If there are questions we didn'tcover that you would like us to
cover in a later episode, dropit in the comments.

SPEAKER_04 (55:42):
Perfect.

SPEAKER_06 (55:42):
Yeah.
All right, Jacob Harkey, can youexplain what postulating means
in Scientology and what it lookslike?
Is it like praying?
Do Scientologists postulate fortheir loved ones?

SPEAKER_00 (55:53):
So it's basically just like manifesting.

SPEAKER_06 (55:55):
It's the same thing like the real so postulate is
essentially, yeah, it's the thereal world equivalent is
manifesting, but it's like, oh,I'm going to postulate that I'm
going to make$10,000 this nextweek, and then I'll be able to
get on my next level of trainingor processing.

SPEAKER_00 (56:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (56:14):
It's, you know, it's just set it's setting a goal.

SPEAKER_00 (56:17):
Yeah.
It's setting a goal or target inyour mind.
That's all it is.
It's m if you say I mean it'skind of a weird thing.
But if you if you're just doingthings and you're not thinking
about anything, or you're nottrying to go towards anything,
you're probably just going towander around and not get much
done.

SPEAKER_02 (56:37):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (56:37):
If you tell yourself, you know, we made
$500,000 this year, I've got tomake$750,000 next year.
Yep.
And that's you say, we're goingto make seven$750,000 next year.
You're probably going to makemore than if you didn't say
that.
You might not make$750, but youmight make$650.
Or you might make$200, butyou're not going to make

(57:01):
nothing.
And Scientologist The wayHubbard talks about Scientology
is that if you do Scientology,this is a good point because
people say, oh, they think it'sgoing to give you superpowers.
In Scientology, you have thesethings called postulates, these

(57:22):
targets or goals or or statesyou want to achieve or things
you want to accomplish.
And L.
Ron Hubbard says in Scientology,if you know everything about
Scientology, you can remove allof the things that get in the
way of, and they say this inScientology, in the way of
making a postulate stick.

SPEAKER_06 (57:44):
So Yeah, or work or yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (57:47):
No, they call it making postulates stick.

SPEAKER_06 (57:49):
Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_00 (57:50):
So if you want to make$750,000 and there's 25
obstacles in front of you, L.
Ron Hubbard says, I can help youidentify and get rid of those 25
obstacles.
And then you can do this.

SPEAKER_05 (58:04):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (58:05):
So there is a little bit of cheese in the trap.
And the reason there's thatcheese in the trap is because
otherwise there's nothing.
But the reason that cheese is inthere is because if you can say,
I'm going to make$10 million andthen make$10 million, you can
give eight of that toScientology.

(58:27):
And that's why they want theyScientology aren't recruiting
homeless people.
They're not recruiting people infood lines.
They're recruiting people thatare dentists, chiropractors,
business owners, uh investors.
They're recruiting people thatalready have a ton of money, and

(58:49):
they're telling those peoplelisten, not only can I make you
make 10 times what you'remaking, but I can connect you
into a network of a ton of othermillionaires in Scientology.
Right.
And even if you can't do it, youcan help one of them do it, and
then you'll make that moneyanyway.
So they that's sort of whatpostulates are.

(59:10):
I think this is a very in-depthanswer for Jacob Hardy's Jacob
Harkey's 499 super chat.
Thank you very much, Jacob.

SPEAKER_06 (59:18):
Yes, great question.

SPEAKER_00 (59:20):
Excuse me.

SPEAKER_06 (59:21):
I've got a little bit of like enlightening our
weekend.
You're welcome.
Thanks for being here.

SPEAKER_00 (59:31):
There was another really good question I saw that
was uh good questions.

SPEAKER_06 (59:35):
Okay.
In 1995, Code Monkey says, in1995, I delivered media
equipment to Golden EraProductions.
I remember being freaked out bythe whole scene, and I wanted to
leave as fast as possible.
Very dark aura.
I told the sales guy, I'm nevergoing there again.
Yeah, we've heard from a fewpeople like you, Code Monkey.
You'd be surprised.

SPEAKER_00 (59:56):
I have to tell the software story now.
So there's a guy that soldsoftware to the international
headquarters.
And this software was it was uhit's basically a visual effects
software that helps you createthings in 3D.

SPEAKER_06 (01:00:12):
Yep.
And then sorry, to but to beclear, this guy was never in
Scientology.
Oh, yeah, no.
He had nothing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:21):
He just worked at the software company.

SPEAKER_06 (01:00:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:23):
And he actually was a sales guy at this software
company, I want to say, fordecades.
He was he was there.
He was an original kind ofinternet guy when the internet
started.
He was he was he did he createdsome sort of graphics uh
software system.
And then he sold that and thenhe became a a sales guy for

(01:00:44):
software, for this big softwarecompany.

SPEAKER_06 (01:00:46):
Yeah.
And he was one of their topsales guys.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:48):
He w was.
He was everybody in the entirefilm industry knew this guy.
If you were in the visualeffects industry, you knew this
guy, and you knew this company,and you knew this software.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:57):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:58):
Okay.
So we had maybe a handful ofcopies of this software at the
International Base.
And we would use it to createScientology organizations in 3D,
and then we would animate that3D, and then we would shoot
what's called a fly-throughvideo.
And we would sort of um we wouldsort of make videos from these

(01:01:19):
3D files.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:20):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:20):
Okay.
So then it became well, wait aminute.
If you guys are building theorganizations, like the the
landlord office is designing abuilding, and then we're taking
the designs and we're making itin 3D.
And David Miscavige was like,you should make the landlord
build the organizations in 3D,because they have all the plans

(01:01:41):
and everything.
If they build it in this, theycan use that for their plans and
they can use it to build thebuilding.
But then the visual effects guysalready have the building.
They don't have to spend allthis time making the buildings.
So that's the most timeextensive part of this process.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:54):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:55):
So he essentially ordered this is like on a
probably like on a Fridaymorning or Thursday night.
Let's say Thursday night.
He says everyone in the intfinance or the int landlord
office that has anything to dowith building new buildings,
they need this software.
Software's not cheap.
Software costs like$5,000 acopy.

(01:02:18):
You know, back back then thatthat's a that's a stack of
dough.
Yep.
That's how much a Sea Org that'sabout how much a Sea Org could
make in a year or two,$5,000.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_06 (01:02:29):
It's more like three years, yeah.
$2,000 a year is the most weever heard.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:33):
Either way, it's a lot of dough to a Sea Org
member.

SPEAKER_06 (01:02:36):
Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:36):
Anyway, so the person who deals with this
software guy is in VisualEffects.
And so they say, hey, give usthis guy's number.
We need to get this.
And the guy that's over the IntLandlord office is the
international finance director,is one of the people who sort of
runs that whole thing.
Right.
And he's the one who's writingchecks as well.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:56):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:57):
And so and then maybe there's 30 people that
need this software.

unknown (01:03:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:01):
So you're talking about$150,000.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:03):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:04):
Okay.
So they go to this software,they get a hold of the number
from the visual effectsdepartment.
They say, hey, we need thissoftware right now.
And the guy's like, well, um, wecan work up a quote and maybe I
get back to you on Monday.
They're like, no, no, no, weneed it today.
Today.
And he's like, well, it doesn'treally work like that.

(01:03:24):
We got to go through somethings.
And so he says, if we if we areif we deliver it the way you
want it, it's actually$7,500 acopy.
And and I don't know if I'mgoing to be able to move on that
price.
And the and the finance directoris like, no way, we need it for
less.
Uh there's no way we're paying$7,500.

(01:03:44):
I think it was actually$10,000.
There's no way we're paying$10,000.
That's a joke.
The software costs$5,000.
It doesn't that it's just it'sliterally a C D or a download.
It's not there's no there's nocost at this point.
The cost was paid for years andyears and years ago.
Okay.
I need the software.

(01:04:05):
I need 30 copies of this.
And the guy says it's going tobe 10,000, da da da da da.
He goes, We're not going to pay10,000.
And then we need you we need youto give it to us as like a bulk
rate.
And then the guy says, okay.
But then we have to get it toyou as well.
And he says, okay.
Anyway, this guy basicallynegotiates.
I'll give it to you for 9,000and I'll deliver all copies

(01:04:28):
today, or to tonight, ortomorrow morning, or whatever.
However, the deadline was like,we need it today.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:33):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:34):
So this guy double charges them for the software.
And then at the same time sellsthem 30 copies of it.
Because they have no clue aboutthe real world or anything
that's going on.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:47):
But also because And also they cannot say no.
They cannot tell report back toDavid Miscavige, oh, it can't be
done.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:54):
Yeah, which is it's kind of crazy the way they play
the game because David Miscavigesort of makes them tip their
hand in a negotiation.
Because David Miscavige has seta hard out on when this has to
happen, otherwise you're toast.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:11):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:11):
And so as soon as you enter that into the
equation, the other person hasall the leverage.
They can say it's going to be$9,000 a copy.
And I'll have it to you tonight.

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:19):
You want it today?
That's the price.
That's the price.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:21):
And then you pay it.
And the crazy thing is now youcould just probably go online
and just download it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:26):
For sure.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:28):
But you couldn't do that back then.
But um what was even thequestion?
Oh, it was the delivery.
The guy had it.
The comment was the delivery.

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:37):
Yes, from Code Monkey.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:38):
Thank you, Code Monkey.
I appreciate it.
It's very generous of you forthe super chat.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:42):
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:43):
Are there any other super chats that we uh or any
other good questions?

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:46):
There's a ton of great questions.
So let's go through those.
Hit them up.
Okay.
Oh well hold on.
I wasn't ready for taking thisover.
So hold on.
Holy move.
I'll get there.
Give me a minute.
Give me a minute.
Here we go.
Start.
All right.
I'm going to go back there.
Okay.
A question for Mark.
What is David Miscavige'sfavorite brand of hi-fi

(01:06:11):
equipment?
You should know you built them.
I mean his private hi-fi, notthose in the organizations.
Thanks, good fella.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:18):
That's a great question.
For years and years and years,not only did I build those
systems, but I worked with thethe the place that is in charge
of his audiovisual equipment iscalled L.
Ron Hubbard's audiovisual.
That's what it's called.
And for short, they call it RAV,R-A-V, Ron's Audiovisual.

(01:06:39):
And in RAV, they're alwaystesting new cassette decks and
CD players and speakers andamplifiers.
And also custom designing themthemselves.
One of the the brands of thingswould change and kind of go back
and f of course Nakamichi,because L.
Ron Hubbard talked about it,Nakamichi was a s a solid uh

(01:07:04):
brand in the in the sort of mixof brands.
Um really uh they because Lthere was just a thing you could
adjust on a Nakamichi that youcouldn't adjust on other tape
players easily, and that was thethe head height and the azimuth
that that actually the the therecording head that reads the

(01:07:24):
signal how it's adjusted againstthe tape.
And because you could adjustthat they had that in all of the
audio facilities at Golden EraProductions, but then Nakamichi
became the only brand ofcassette deck that the
organizations were allowed tohave.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:41):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:43):
And for many years, when I was in the systems
manufacturing area and workingin the systems department, we
would refurbish those cassettedecks.
We'd change the heads or we'd,you know, bring them in, test
them, fix them up, re-silkscreen, you know, a bunch of
stuff like that.
And um But when Nagamichistarted making cass uh CD
players and and m later on, itwas it just became like a cheap,

(01:08:07):
cheap, oh cheap brand.
It wasn't there wasn't anythingspecial about them.
Um some of the other brands wereuh TDL, um Bryson.
We used to have Bryson amps inall Scientology organizations
worldwide.
They might even still haveBrysons to this day.
Um it's a very expensive microfuh amplifier, especially if

(01:08:29):
you're gonna put them in 300different organizations all over
the world, in multiple roomsthroughout throughout each
organization.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_06 (01:08:36):
What was the equipment that Miscavige had in
his private listening room?

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:40):
In his listening room, he would kind of uh rotate
whatever the the cool thing was.
So for a while he had Genilecspeakers, which were these very,
very expensive sort of high-endroom speakers.
And these speakers, sometimesthese speakers that David
Miscavige had, they'd be sixfoot tall.

(01:09:01):
And they'd be three foot wide.
I mean, they would be but butthin.
Not not like a giant cabinet.
Sometimes there were cabinets.
Um I think there was anotherspeaker brand.
Maybe it wasn't TDL, it was TDM.
I can't remember.
Um there was there were so manydifferent what he basically had
whatever was hot at the time.

(01:09:23):
Yep.
And spared no expense.

SPEAKER_06 (01:09:26):
Yeah, exactly.
One listening room.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:27):
Price price was not not a one listening room setup
or audio setup for DavidMiscavige could easily be over
three hundred thousand.
One setup.
Just the speakers and the amps,you know, could be$150,000.

SPEAKER_06 (01:09:41):
So we go, another one.
Love Food Kitchen says surelythe number one forbidden
question in modern Scientologyis who exactly is it that stands
tall?
Because it's certainly notchairman of the board.
Well, there you go.
Not quite sure what the questionis there, but it's all good.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:59):
That's a we stand tall joke.

SPEAKER_06 (01:10:00):
Right.
Yeah, yeah.
I know, I get that.
We stand tall.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:04):
It is also funny.

SPEAKER_06 (01:10:05):
No turning back we'll find a way.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:08):
This could be this could be a I'm gonna take this
this uh this could be thatquestion yet.
Well, hold on.
This could be a clip becausethere's a very famous
Scientology video, music videocalled We Stand Tall.
And in that video, DavidMiscavige is standing on an
Apple box.
I know.

SPEAKER_06 (01:10:26):
Jackson commented on that in the chat.
He did.
Oh uh not this one, but we'llget to it.
Oh, uh yeah, there he is.
How about the loaded questionswe were asked in AppleBox
famously loaded survey one fineSaturday Renault's afternoon,
but we got plenty answers thatevening.
I'm quite sure he's talkingabout the on-base, off-base

(01:10:47):
survey.
We were all surveyed on whetherwe wanted to live on the
property or off the property.
And it was a loaded questionbecause if you answered on the
property, you were in the clear,but a lot of people said they
wanted to live off the property,and many of those people were
punished for that answer.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:07):
Yeah, the and the reason there's a there is a sort
of a psychology behind that isbecause if you were at the
property and David Miscavigecalled for you, then you could
end up in a meeting with him forfive hours.
And sometimes these meetingswould get called late at night.
And but if you had already leftto birthing, you've already what

(01:11:29):
they called secured.
If you'd already secured for thenight, then that was it was that
was the end of it.
It was like, hey, can you getBob?
He's like, Oh, he's alreadysecured.
And and most people didn't havephones, so you couldn't just
call them.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:41):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:43):
Okay, so if you're not there, then you don't have
to be there and you don't get dr rounded up.
Now on the rare occasion hewould say, Hey, get Susie Sue
and Billy Bob over here rightnow, and they'd go get you.
They'd just drive to your houseor your apartment or wherever

(01:12:03):
you lived in the town, or yourbirthing if it was down on
Sublit Road, knock on the door,get dressed, you're coming in,
and you'd be brought to him.
And you'd and then you could bein the meeting for five hours,
you could get chewed out in onesecond and then go back to post
for the rest of the night.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:18):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:19):
But I think a lot of people thought, if we live here,
well, that's the end.
You know, there's no that we atleast have sort of a a uh
there's the this this tiny bitof sanctuary that we have is
seven hours away from behind.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:36):
An illusion of freedom.
And the craziest part is that aspart of that survey, people were
asked, well, why do you want tolive off base?
Or if it was why do you want tolive on base?
Anyway, and a good portion ofpeople said that they want they
liked being able to go toVaughn's.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:55):
So do you remember, David Miss?
So there was the staff canteenat the at the base.
So as a you know, finger in theface to all the people that said
Vaughn's, he had a Vaughn signput on on the staff canteen.
And I think that he might haveeven had shopping cards brought
there.
I can't remember if that was agood one.

(01:13:17):
I remember there was definitelythe Vaughn sign was up for a
while.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:20):
Definitely a lot of supermarket uh accoutrements
that were added to the canteenthat didn't used to be there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:26):
And also, to be fair, they did actually start
selling things that people weregoing to the grocery store,
going to Walmart, or travelinginto town to get.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:36):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:37):
They did start stuff like lady product, you know,
feminine products.

SPEAKER_06 (01:13:40):
And laundry detergent.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:41):
Yeah, no, they they started selling the things that
people legitimately marked up.
Oh, yeah, they weren't losingmoney.

SPEAKER_06 (01:13:47):
No, they were making money.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:48):
That's another crazy thing about when you're in the
Sea Orc.
You're only getting 46 bucks aweek.

SPEAKER_06 (01:13:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:53):
But they're probably getting 40 of that, no problem.

SPEAKER_05 (01:13:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:57):
It's going right back to them because you're
buying Cokes and coffee andsmokes and you know, some
cappuccinos when they put in thefancy coffee maker at the I
remember when it's like, acappuccino is a dollar?
I mean, are they?

SPEAKER_06 (01:14:11):
Oh, they were charging like three dollars.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:13):
I know, but at a certain point it got to be like,
I didn't drink coffee when I wasin the Sea Org.
So I was sort of just like,whatever.

SPEAKER_06 (01:14:20):
Yeah, for sure.
Um okay, so here we go.
Next question.
Leah Remini said Scientologyrequires two and a half hours a
day of your time, but she didn'treally say what you're doing
daily as a public Scientologist.
Can you please explain?
Sure.
That's a great question.
It is.
So in addition to the two and ahalf hours a day study, which uh

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has to total um twelve and ahalf hours per week.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:44):
That's just for that's for every Scientologist
who's supposed to be doing this.

SPEAKER_06 (01:14:48):
Yeah, because you're always supposed to be on some
training course advancing inScientology to be considered a
Scientologist in good standing.
In addition to that, umcontributing uh in whatever
other way, like many umhigher-level Scientologists are
a part of what's called the OTambassador committees.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:07):
So proselytizing Scientology to their local
communities or but even ifyou're not doing a training
thing, you could also be doingtwo and a half hours of
counseling, of auditing.
Yes.
It didn't you didn't have to dotwo and a half hours of training
and two and a half hours ofcounseling.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:22):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:23):
That two and a half hours w could be split between
those two things.
And then if you were one ofthese OT good gadrillionaires
that's OT eight and there'snothing left for you to do, at
that point, that's how DavidMiscavige is like, these guys
should be putting, still puttingin their twelve and a half, what
can I have them do?
Yes.
So put them to work.
Yes and then they can be like,well, I don't have any course I

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don't have any more courses totrain in Scientology or more any
more counseling to get.
So I'm gonna donate my time toround up other Scientologists
or, you know, do one of thesefake uh, you know, public
relations kind of things.

SPEAKER_06 (01:15:58):
And in addition to the counseling or training,
every civilian Scientologist isalso given the role of a field
staff member, which means thatthey are to recruit other people
and sign them up for trainingand counseling for which they
get uh paid a 15% field staffmember commission.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:16:19):
So there's financial motive motive uh motivation.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:23):
I didn't think that that was a big deal like job you
could do, make any money on it.
But then someone was telling methat um there's two actors that
also worked in a lot ofScientology products when I was
there.
We shot them for film projects.
But there was a guy namedMichael D.
Roberts, who is famous for amovie called Space Pirates, and

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he's also the orderly in RainMan who brings out uh Dustin
Hoffman when uh uh what's hisname?
Um Mr.
Risky Business goes to pick himup at the uh facility.
Um but anyway, him and anotherguy named Jeff Pomerance, and
was it Jeff?
Yeah, Jeff, the guy who did thevoiceovers.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:05):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:06):
Join us now.
Um was also both of those actorswere full-time field staff
members.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:14):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:14):
But they're getting people to pay for their entire
Scientology bridge all the wayup to OT eight, and maybe their
wife and maybe a kid or two.
Yep.
And so you're talking abouthundreds of thousands of
dollars.
Yep.
And if you're getting fifteenpoints on that, that's a that's
a that's a pretty decent mamount of money.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:33):
For sure.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:34):
And and I think they also did fundraising as well.
I think they were kind of taskedto do fundraising and feel like
FSM sort of activities.

SPEAKER_06 (01:17:43):
Yeah, fundraising became a much bigger deal after
we escaped, but it was still athing when we were there too.
Okay, here's another greatquestion.
Noah says, What was the mostexpensive present that Miscavige
received from the forcedcontributions for his birthday?
I know the answer to this one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:59):
Okay, let's see.
Oh well, hold on.
Okay, I'm wondering if we shouldmake you write down the
question.
Um, we're gonna say it at thesame time.
Okay, we'll go one, two, three,and say it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:09):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:10):
Okay.
One, two, three, BMW.
He got a seven series BMW, brandspanking new, with all the bells
and whistles.

SPEAKER_06 (01:18:23):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:24):
Um ASI actually purchased it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:18:28):
Author Services Inc.
staff um paid for that.
Like, like they actually got aspecific bonus to them
individually, all the ASI staff,that was the purchase price
divided by the number of staff.
It was a math problem, andthat's how they took care of it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:46):
Yeah, yeah.
They got the bonus becauseyou've got to dig.
This guy's the head of thisorganization, and and they're a
nonprofit.
He can't be getting BMWs.
Right.
They gotta figure out a way todo this.

SPEAKER_06 (01:19:01):
So has anyone uh or no enurement much?

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:05):
Yeah.
So so what happened was atotally separate organization
that he's not a part of gavetheir staff bonuses, those staff
gave the money back and theypurchased a BMW for him.

SPEAKER_04 (01:19:17):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:17):
And then that BMW was given to him as a gift from
author services.
So and I don't even think it wasregistered in his name.

SPEAKER_06 (01:19:25):
It was not.
In fact, I had to interrogateBarbara Ruiz, who was the head
of ASI when this happened,because the car was registered
under author services, so thepaper trail was really messy and
you know, could be pinned downas anurement for which Barbara
had to be interrogated as towhether she did that

(01:19:48):
intentionally.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:49):
Yeah.
Crazy, crazy stuff.
Crazy, crazy.
But he would also get$20,000bikes, like these super like a a
pedal bike, like a a bike, youknow, when you see the guys on
the roads in the in the outfitsthat are branded.
You know, these guys are theseguys are dads in the middle of

(01:20:10):
the neighborhood, and BillyBob's got 27 brands.
No one's paying him to race.
He's just driving down the sideof the street, get getting in
the way.
Anyway, um he would get one ofthese bikes that those guys
ride, an ultralight bike.
Like you could pick it up withyour pinky.
That's how light the bike was.
And he had like three of those.

SPEAKER_06 (01:20:30):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:31):
And all the gear that goes along with that.

SPEAKER_06 (01:20:33):
Yep.
Um, okay, I think we've we've umyapped enough for today.
We'll save any questions wemissed for next round of this if
we decide to do another one ofthese, part two.
Um, but yeah, we're almost at anhour and a half now.
So let's do our giveaway and leteveryone get on with their
Sundays.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:52):
Okay, well, and we didn't say this at the beginning
of the video, but if you havecommented, you've already been
and automatically been enteredin to win.
What are we giving away, Claire?

SPEAKER_06 (01:21:04):
We're giving away a Davy doll.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:05):
Davy doll.
Okay.
So one of these little one ofthese little oh Jesus, you're
wrecking the place, Davy.
One of these little guys here.
Uh Skadoosh.
You could win one of these.
Those are great dog toy.
Uh they're great if you want tojust put them in compromising
positions.
And also, what did they do inUK?
These things created Alarm anddistress.

SPEAKER_06 (01:21:28):
Alarm and distress.
A protest at the uh with AposteAlex at the um at St.
Hill.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:33):
If you're watching in England, this creates alarm
and distress.

SPEAKER_06 (01:21:38):
Allegedly.
No.
Allegedly.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:40):
Allegedly.
Okay.
Now I'm gonna say that everytime I've seen this guy, I've
not been alarmed and I've notbeen distressed.
There's he's actually kind offun.
He's got Velcro.
He's at Velcro hands.
Okay, so you can do you can dowhatever you want with this guy.

(01:22:01):
Okay, check.

SPEAKER_06 (01:22:02):
You can you know, you can he can you could even
use him for what's it called?
ASMR.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:08):
You know what?
That's true.
ASMR.
Here, let's do it.
Let's do here.

SPEAKER_06 (01:22:16):
It's a little too loud.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:17):
Anyway, no, that's perfect.
ASMR is not quiet.
They're doing they're you'rehearing it.
Somebody's got their headphoneson, they're cranking it up.
Okay.
Oh dear.
Um, so yeah, it's a Davy doll.
So let's flip over.

SPEAKER_06 (01:22:31):
Oh, sorry.
Uh Harvey Denton says, take himto the beach.
Dave on the wave.
Yes, there you go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:37):
Okay, we've got to switch this to you, and then
we've got to go over here.
It works perfectly.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:43):
Yay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:44):
Okay, so I gotta go over here.
Um 68 people have commented.

SPEAKER_06 (01:22:50):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:51):
So we're doing it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:22:52):
So we're doing it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:53):
Um and this is random.
It's I've got to say this.

SPEAKER_06 (01:22:56):
It's not rigged.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:57):
This is a StreamYard, the platform that we
can.

SPEAKER_06 (01:23:00):
If Mark or I win, it's only because we commented
in the chat.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:03):
That's it.
It's just picking somebodyrandomly.
It doesn't know anybody is moreit doesn't actually, it doesn't
know who's doing the channel.
It just knows who's commenting.

SPEAKER_06 (01:23:11):
And it has no impact, the number of comments
that you have.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:15):
That's true.
It just picks it just takeseverybody who's commented and
puts them on a list and thenputs them in a bucket and picks
one out randomly.
So we're gonna do this.

SPEAKER_06 (01:23:23):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:26):
It's pretty decent size the way I did it this week.
Uh uh, uh, Brian was so prettygood.

SPEAKER_06 (01:23:36):
There you go, Hug.
Congratulations.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:38):
I want to say that was a person who did one of
those questions.
It was a good question.

SPEAKER_06 (01:23:42):
It was a great question.
Yep.
So congratulations.
Send me an email, Claire atblumforgood.com with your
address, and we will get Daviddoll, Dave on a wave, Dave on a
wave, uh, Leprechaun Davy, fakeNavy Davy.
I think that's my favorite one.
Fake Navy Davy sent off.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:00):
Captain Whack from TG Ac.
Yes, a good one.

SPEAKER_06 (01:24:03):
Yeah, that was a good one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:04):
Oh, by the way, we haven't said anything about Zenu
and the body thetans in thiswhole episode, and I just want
to put out a plug for them.
Uh I do we have some new merchcoming?
One of these years that you guysare gonna take to do this?

SPEAKER_06 (01:24:18):
Yes, it's we'll be coming next week.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:21):
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (01:24:21):
And at least we'll be back with our regularly
scheduled programming for awhile.
So if you're here, if youhaven't subscribed, please do.
It helps us get the word out.
Hit that notification bell.
But we'll be here next Sunday.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:34):
Yeah.
And if you're listening on thepodcast, um on the audio only,
um, you should know that Appleand StreamYard have now made it
so you can see the podcasts, thevideo of the podcast.
So it's still downloaded as apodcast, but you just get the
video as well.

SPEAKER_04 (01:24:51):
Nice.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:52):
Um and that's kind of cool.
And then also you can go onwherever I I want to say on
Apple Podcasts is the main placewhere people listen to this
podcast.

SPEAKER_04 (01:25:02):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:03):
Um, and we actually have quite a decent amount of
downloads every week on thepodcast.

SPEAKER_04 (01:25:07):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:08):
But um, it would help us drum tremendously if you
would on your Apple platformsubscribe to the podcast.
Yeah.
And you can also um leave areview there, which helps us
out.

SPEAKER_05 (01:25:19):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:19):
And on YouTube they have this new thing.
I don't know, do they still haveit, this hype button or whatever
it is?
I do I watch YouTube, but Idon't really the channels I
watch don't really push thishype button.
Yeah.
But every once in a while I'llwatch a channel and they say hit
the hype button.

SPEAKER_06 (01:25:34):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:34):
So we I know.

SPEAKER_06 (01:25:36):
I and I saw they gave us that last week I noticed
that we had hype uh creatorcredits.
So if we want to promote one ofour videos, we can hype it.
So I think it is still a thing.
I'm just out of the loop becausewe just sit here and and yap and
we really don't uh we're notboomers, but we're Gen X.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:55):
Okay.
So we we know our way around.
Computers were invented while wewere kids, okay?
The Inter Web Internet in our20s is when the internet was
starting to take traction.
So we know a few things.
We also don't know a lot ofthings.

SPEAKER_06 (01:26:13):
Yeah, my my our kids help me out a bunch.
Like because Mark is not themost patient person in the
world.
So if my printer was broken thismorning, for example.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:24):
I am closer to the least patient as uh uh to the
What is it that you always say?
No, no, what was the thing thatLeah I said to Leah, uh, yeah,
that's why I'm not a doctor,because I'm not good with
patients.

SPEAKER_06 (01:26:36):
And she said, that's why that's why you're not a
doctor.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:40):
How about the fact that you didn't even finish
middle school, you maniac?

SPEAKER_06 (01:26:45):
Oh my goodness.
Yeah, that was funny.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:48):
Yeah, that's the reason.
Yeah, arcade.
You picked not to be a doctor.

SPEAKER_06 (01:26:51):
My oldest son helped me fix my printer this morning.
And he has the the skill thatyou have, where he walks in and
I I haven't been able to, nomatter what I did, I could not
get my printer to show back up,you know, to connect to my
computer.
He walks in and it's like, boom,it's right there.
I'm like, what?
You didn't even touch anythingyet.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:11):
Yeah, that is when you have reached that's it's
basically like a tech Jedi.
When you've reached just youtouching the machine makes it
work again.
Yep.
That's kind of that's Idefinitely live in that realm.
I don't always have my Jedipowers with me, but most of the
time we're within five minutes,we're up and running.

SPEAKER_06 (01:27:32):
Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:33):
Okay.

unknown (01:27:34):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 (01:27:35):
Alrighty, awesome folks.
Well, we made it to the veryend.
Thanks for joining us again.
Just a reminder if there'squestions we missed, we'll
snatch those from the chat.
And if there's other questionsfor the rewatch crew that you
would like us to cover in afuture episode, part two of
Forbidden Questions, then dropit in the comments and we will
keep track of that.

(01:27:56):
There you go.
We made it till the end.
Thank you guys.

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