Inside Scientology’s Mark VIII Ultra E-Meter (we open it up) - Secrets of Scientology #12 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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SPEAKER_05 (00:25):
Hey, hey, hey guys.
Welcome to another episode ofBlown for Good, Scientology
Exposed.
I'm Mark Headley, and I amjoined today by my lovely wife,
Claire.

SPEAKER_01 (00:34):
Hey, hey, everybody.
Good to see you this fineSunday.
Thank you for joining us.

SPEAKER_05 (00:39):
Yes, we have a great episode, as you might have seen
in the thumbnail.
Um, we are doing uh, I guessthis is really part two, because
we did a few weeks ago, we did avideo where we showed you this
old Fuddy Duddy.
This is uh L.
Ron Hubbard's Mark Super 7Quantum.
Actually, I lost the badge forit.

(01:00):
Here it is.
It's just a Super 7.
There, now it's a quantum.
Um, and we took this thingapart, and it was a disaster.
It was a train wreck of anelectronics device.
But now But we had fun.
We did have fun, and um, it'sactually one of the best watched
videos we've done in a longtime.
So I was like, well, what'sgoing on, man?

SPEAKER_01 (01:20):
The people want to see.

SPEAKER_05 (01:22):
The people want to see inside these little piggies.
Yep.
But um, I wanted to tell youguys, uh, Clara, one of our
supermods, um, she f did thethumbnail for this video and she
found a picture of John Travoltaon auditing on OT3.
And you can see, well, he wasgetting audited.

SPEAKER_01 (01:41):
Yeah, he but but on his PC folder, which is in the
picture.

SPEAKER_05 (01:46):
That's where they store all the written accounts
of everything you do in yourspace cootie eviction sessions.

SPEAKER_01 (01:51):
Yeah, and at that time, you so each PC folder is
marked with the level that theperson has reached.
And on his folder, you see itsays John Travolta and it says
OT3 confidential.

SPEAKER_05 (02:06):
Yeah, and so that picture was, I want to say that
was in the late 70s or the early80s.

SPEAKER_01 (02:12):
Yeah, but it must have been uh I mean, in later
years it started to be that thePC folders were color-coded as
well with stripes.

SPEAKER_05 (02:22):
So that folder is not I thought it was and they
just did it with a marker.

SPEAKER_01 (02:26):
Um yeah, I mean I can't see the so OT3, OT1 to
three is a yellow stripe.

SPEAKER_04 (02:32):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (02:33):
OT5 is yellow and red.

SPEAKER_03 (02:36):
Ooh.

SPEAKER_01 (02:36):
OT7 is yellow and purple, and then OT eight is
yellow and blue.

SPEAKER_05 (02:44):
Oh, nice.
So you can see at a glance ifyou're looking at a shelf full
of folders or a filing cabinetfull of folders, folders, you
can see which ones.
Usually they just stack themwith the names out on shelves.
Yes.
That's how they normally do it.
Um excuse me.
And in the later years, tell meif this isn't the I seem to

(03:05):
remember this.
In the later years, if you werea big celebrity in Scientology
and they didn't want peoplebecause these folders travel all
over the organizations wherethat person's getting auditing.
That's right.
They go to different people atdifferent times, depending on
what you're doing.
And uh, you know, you could havesome looky loo somewhere just
go, oh, John Travolta, let's seewhat what's he's cooking up.

SPEAKER_01 (03:27):
Yeah.
So which actually happened.
And therefore, in later years,they changed it so that any big
celebrity um had a an uh a fakename on PC folders.

SPEAKER_05 (03:40):
Uh Lisa Marie's was Norma Darling.

SPEAKER_01 (03:43):
Yes.
And Tom Cruise was Tom Stone.

SPEAKER_05 (03:47):
Uh Kirsty Ellie didn't have a uh uh a name.
Nope.
Uh code name.

SPEAKER_01 (03:51):
She did not.

SPEAKER_05 (03:52):
I don't think I think John Travolta did have a
code name, though.

SPEAKER_01 (03:55):
He did.
I don't remember what it was,but yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (03:57):
Anyway, if you're just a regular Scientologist,
your stuff can be gone through.
They don't they don't changeyour name.

SPEAKER_01 (04:03):
But it's but it's in Scientology, it's a crime to
look in a folder above yourlevel.

SPEAKER_05 (04:10):
Yeah, which doesn't mean people didn't do it.
And also, to be fair, um whenpeople go to the Florida
location or any of theselocations to get confessionals
and they admit to things in theconfessional, that gets passed
around the Sea Org.
Whatever and a lot of timesDavid Miscavige himself is the

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one who would be telling thestories of what people confessed
to their folders.
That was at the imp base, Iwould say that happened, I don't
know, 10 or 15 times a year,where he would bring up
something that somebody admittedin a session or kit in a
confessional, and then he wouldjust air it out to everybody at
the end of the year.

SPEAKER_01 (04:54):
Oh, way way more than 10 or 15 times a year.
And and and nobody was exempteither.
Tom Cruise wasn't exempt, staffdefinitely were not exempt,
executives were not exempt,nobody was exempt.

SPEAKER_05 (05:05):
Even the big donors.
Right.
He would talk smack about thebig donors and what they were
doing and what they were up to.
It's kind of crazy.
It is crazy.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (05:13):
It was like uh what what do you it's like uh Real
Housewives of David Miscavige.

SPEAKER_05 (05:18):
Yeah.
He would literally it would behot news.
It would be like his that's likethe Sea Org daily rag.
Isn't it he would be like Oh,did did you guys hear what blah
blah blah was up to?
And then most of the time it wasus that he was talking about.
For sure.
Uh at the the Sea Org members atthe base.

(05:39):
That was the majority of it.
That's what I'm saying.
It was maybe only 10 or 15 timesa year that he did it with the
celebrities that I remember.
He would do it with us all thetime.

SPEAKER_02 (05:47):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (05:47):
But every once in a while he'd say something about a
celebrity, and you're just like,damn, dude, you're how's that
work?

SPEAKER_01 (05:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (05:54):
And then I think, well, he does it to us.
Why would why would he not doit?

SPEAKER_01 (05:57):
Yeah, information confessed in Scientology is only
confidential if you're a a youknow, a playing member and if
you're in good standing, uh theminute that information is
useful to them, it's no longerconfidential.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_05 (06:14):
Well, yeah.
I mean, that's what I'm saying.
Even when the folders are justlaying around in in an
organization, any person thatworks in any of those areas
where the folders are could grabyour folder, lock the door, and
do a deep dive and dig throughall your goodies.

SPEAKER_02 (06:30):
Yep.

SPEAKER_05 (06:31):
Which I mean, if you're a Scientologist watching
this, that is that's how itgoes.
We're not lying.
No, it is what it is.
Um and then um and so thatthumbnail with John Travolta,
that was in the I I I want tosay it was 1979.
I don't know.
It was I'm pretty sure that wasthat picture was in a celebrity

(06:53):
center magazine, which is orjust a celebrity is what it's
called.
It's a Scientology magazine thatused to come out every few
months from the CelebrityCenter, and it would have all of
the different celebrities fromaround the world that were in
Scientology, and um, and they'dlike profile them and all how
successful they are and all theshows and movies and plays and

(07:14):
commercials, tied commercialsthey're up to.
And then um Depends.
Yeah, depends.
Oh boy.
If you guys want to have a goodlaugh, look up on a Google, get
on your Google web and go SadieDepends commercial.
That woman and her husband andthat child um are they

(07:38):
Scientologists, and Sadie andher husband, Axel, used to be at
the international headquarters,and she was the assistant
cameraman on the film unit thatI worked on for many, many
years.
And uh, she always wanted to bean actress.
And um and she ended up doingit.
She left the Sea Org um withtheir blessing, because they had
a they had a baby.

SPEAKER_00 (07:58):
Yeah, after our lawsuit.

SPEAKER_05 (08:00):
Yeah, and so they were allowed to leave.
And she got her big break andshe did this commercial.
And um I haven't seen her inanything else, so I don't know
if she did anything else, butshe did land this Depends
commercial.
So good for her.

SPEAKER_01 (08:16):
She was a nasty piece of work.
Hopefully, she's clean cleanedher up her act.
She was most famous at the Impbase for being the one who, at
the orders of David Miscavige,uh, drove her car into Mark
Yeager.
He had to jump, he evaded her byjumping over a wall.

SPEAKER_05 (08:33):
No, a loading dock.
He jumped off a loading dock.

SPEAKER_01 (08:35):
Right, and broke his leg.

SPEAKER_05 (08:37):
Yeah.
But she didn't actually hit him.
She just came within amillisecond of doing so.
He luckily he had good reflexesand he j jumped over that wall.

SPEAKER_01 (08:45):
But it's just insanity.

SPEAKER_05 (08:46):
It was right by the loading dock at the Cine Castle
in um at the internationalheadquarters.
And um, yeah.
So should we do this?

SPEAKER_01 (08:56):
Yeah, let's do it.

SPEAKER_05 (08:57):
Hopefully you have this is a little bit of a funky
setup.
You can see all the therigmaroles here.

SPEAKER_01 (09:02):
And hey, shout out to Denver Stevo for joining us.
Nice we haven't seen you in awhile.
It's good to have you back here,kind sir.
Absolutely on this rainy,thundery day in somewhere south
of Denver.

SPEAKER_05 (09:15):
Okay, so let me turn this thing on.
Yeah, this this still works,guys.
Still works.

SPEAKER_01 (09:19):
Look at that.

SPEAKER_05 (09:20):
I think I might even also have figured out like a
hack.
So if it's not silver certed,you can push a certain amount of
buttons in a certain way andit'll it'll reset it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (09:32):
In my mind, for whatever reason, this has a
mission impossible type theme.
Like I'm like imagining thatyou're gonna open this up and
then all of a sudden the agentsare gonna swarm in and we found
you.

SPEAKER_05 (09:44):
I guarantee you they're not happy about us doing
this.

SPEAKER_02 (09:46):
Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_05 (09:47):
Um anyway, so this is the most recent e-meter
issued by Scientology.
Last week we showed you the MarkSuper 7, which came out in the
80s and then was revised in themid-90s, and then retired in
2011, I think, is when this onecame out.
2011?
I correct uh I know there's somepeople in here who used to be in

(10:10):
the Yeah, or 13.

SPEAKER_01 (10:11):
And by the way, shout out to Zenus Homeboy that
got this to us.

SPEAKER_05 (10:15):
Yes, exactly.
And also, just so you know,Scientology, there's so many of
these e-meters that are instorage units.
They get bought up by you knowthat store sh storage wars.
There's been Scientology unitsin there.
And then people open those upand then they and then they
Google, they get on their Googlefoo and they go, Oh, these guys

(10:36):
might want it.
So there's a a lot of ways youcan get your hands on these
without uh without going toScientology and buying one.

SPEAKER_02 (10:46):
Yep.

SPEAKER_05 (10:47):
Okay, so and also let's not forget this thing
looks identical to an easy bakeoven.
Look at the the girl whodesigned this e-meter, she
definitely had a hand in this.
I mean, come on, guys, look atthat.
It even has a clock right here.
It has a clock and everything.

(11:08):
You know, I didn't know whatthese things on the side were, I
thought they were handles, butthis is like a pizza oven easy
bake.
You put it in in one side andthen it it just goes through the
thing and then it comes out theother side.
At least this thing makesbrownies, okay?
Or cakes or whatever they youjam in there.

SPEAKER_02 (11:27):
Yep.

SPEAKER_05 (11:28):
Anyway, okay, so this is the um the Mark 8 ultra
ultra easy bake.
And um it says HubbardProfessional Mark Ultra 8.
And um and very similar to theother one, it has the time, it
has the what this is called thetone arm, so it has the TA
position.
I hope you guys can see thosereadouts.

(11:48):
I tried to get the lighting.
Um and then it has the sessionTA, so that's the total amount
of TA.
So every time this goes down, itadds up to that.
That in a Scientology session,that's like your uh that's like
your score.
You want to get you wanna getthe T you want to get as much TA
down as possible, right?
T A moves.

SPEAKER_01 (12:09):
At the end of every session, you note the total tone
arm action, TAA, for thesession.
And if there was not very muchtone arm action, then the case
supervisor says, hmm,something's wrong there.

SPEAKER_05 (12:24):
Yeah, either the auditor's doing something wrong
or the PC's got something elsehe hasn't fessed up to, or
whatever reason uh the old FuddyDuddy thought of to get people
to keep doing more auditing.
Okay, now I was surprised.
I've opened this thing upalready, and I've actually
broken it.
The um the kickstand in this isvery, very low quality.

(12:48):
I gotta just say that right offthe bat.
Oh, let's flip this little piggyaround.
So very similar to the MarkSuper 7.
Um, this one.
I'm just gonna take this batteryout so I can have to deal with
that.

SPEAKER_03 (13:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (13:01):
So this thing's got um it's got uh crazily enough, I
think it has the same amount ormaybe even more circuit boards
than the other one.
These circuit boards are abetter quality than the other
one.
That's for sure.
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna, youknow, put it down where it isn't
down, but um they're not great,and they're not even new tech

(13:25):
because you know, somebody inthe comments last week was
debating whether or not um ththose were made in 2004.
These were made in 2004 becausethey'll they came out in
Scientology in like 2011 or2013, something like that.

SPEAKER_02 (13:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (13:40):
But if you look right on all these circuit
boards, they have dates on them,and it says 2004, June 30th.

SPEAKER_01 (13:48):
Right, because these were being made and designed
while we were still there.

SPEAKER_05 (13:52):
That's right.
They were producing these whenwe were still at the
international headquarters, andwe left in January of 2005.
So I did look at every singlecircuit board, and every single
circuit board in this unit has a2004 manufacturing date.
So in 2004, this was decent.

(14:14):
This circuit board actually hasthe same parts and the same
layout as the circuit board thatI told you that my company had
made in 2006.
So it is at least using the techof the time when they made it.

SPEAKER_02 (14:29):
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (14:29):
But they made it in 2004.
Right.
And then it sat on the shelvesand then um came out in 2011.

SPEAKER_01 (14:36):
So it's David Miscavige commonly does that
where there's some new thing,and they'll be like, oh, that
can't be released until we'vedone, you know, A, B, C, D, E,
F, G, and then, you know.

SPEAKER_05 (14:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (14:48):
Anyway.

SPEAKER_05 (14:50):
But besides that, it still has the same kind of
layout that the other one does.
It still has this daughterboard.
Um, now I think they made thedisplay board and this daughter
board all into one thing becausethis one's got this one's doing
all kinds of fancy stuff with uhwith one LED screen instead of

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or the L C D rather, with one LC D screen instead of the three
separate ones that they had onthe other meter.
Um, which is more, which isbetter.
That is better.
Um, this one also has twobattery packs.
Um, and that's another thing.
I'm not a battery expert, but ifyou make a battery and you put

(15:31):
it into an electronics device in2004, and then you let it sit
there for at least seven yearsand then you start using it, I'm
pretty sure you're not gettingthe full battery juice that you
would have gotten if you startedusing that thing in 2004.

SPEAKER_01 (15:48):
It's got to degrade.

SPEAKER_05 (15:50):
Um, and I don't know if they left them at full charge
and let them die down, or ifthey left them dead.

SPEAKER_01 (15:55):
Uh or if they did an all hands to recharge the
batteries before they sold themas new.

SPEAKER_05 (16:01):
Yeah, but this one has the other one had three of
these sized batteries, and thisone has six.
So there might be a lot morehappening in here than the last
one they need a lot more powerfor, or they just wanted it to
last longer between sessions.

SPEAKER_01 (16:18):
Or they used shittier batteries and needed
more, therefore.

SPEAKER_05 (16:22):
I think the battery tech is absolutely better than
the other one.
I guarantee you that.
It's just I mean, just years andyears had gone by.
Now, with but between 2004 andnow, all of this should be, I
mean, if you think about it,just look at your iPhone.
Your iPhone is like doing 10,000things better than this.

SPEAKER_01 (16:43):
For sure.

SPEAKER_05 (16:44):
Uh, you know, 10,000 things 10,000 times better.
Right.
And it's it's that doesn't havea circuit board this big.
So I'm sure that they could dothis a lot better now.
Um, but at the end of the day,it's all hooey anyway.
So it doesn't what are theydoing better?

SPEAKER_01 (16:58):
It's it's just crazy that this is touted as like, oh,
fancy, the latest and thegreatest.
And we're like, dude, this wasmade 22 years ago.

SPEAKER_05 (17:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (17:09):
Let's just call a spade a spade.

SPEAKER_05 (17:12):
Yeah.
And um, just like the other one,so it has the motherboard, the
daughter board.
There is a uh a board in theback which handles the charging
and then the digital input andoutput of the needle and
whatever the meter is doing.
Um, this is the dial.
These this is probably the mostexpensive part of this, is this

(17:33):
unit right here, which is theagain, they have it's the almost
the exact same dial as the oldone.
Um it's got a little bit ofanti-glare, it's got the same
dial card, everything just likethe other one.
Um, it's got an extra battery,and then they did redo all these
connectors.
So remember, I when I showed youon that other one.
I'm just gonna take this oneout.

SPEAKER_01 (17:55):
Yeah, we can do it, do a side-by-side.

SPEAKER_05 (17:57):
Yeah, I just want to, I don't.
Oh, you know what?
I can do the same thing I didwith it.
Just unplug these.
Oh, they cable tied it.
What dogs?
Okay.
This one had these big gianthonking molexes on here.
Um, these guys.
So they did they did flip thoseto a smaller connector.
And the funny thing is, is theystill had to cable tie, lock

(18:19):
down this one connector becauseit looked like it was slipping
out.
So they actually built a littlecable tie section into the
circuit board so they couldcable tie this so this wouldn't
disconnect from the uh I thinkthat goes to the uh T.

SPEAKER_01 (18:32):
Yeah, and different to the first e-meter that we
looked at, too.
This one was made in Taiwan.
Not by anybody at the circuitgold.

SPEAKER_05 (18:42):
Yeah.
Well, this was I actually foundout where it was manufactured
because it sets on some of theparts.

SPEAKER_01 (18:47):
Oh.

SPEAKER_05 (18:48):
It came from Malaysia.

SPEAKER_01 (18:50):
There you go.
That makes sense.

SPEAKER_05 (18:52):
So um I did do a little sleuth thing and I kind
of uh undid a few of thesethings to find it.
But I think you can even seeright on the battery, um many of
these things have to have acountry of origin.
And um This one doesn't say it,but um there is definitely parts
in here that said Malaysia.
So they either sourced some ofthe parts from Malaysia.

(19:13):
Um it's not really it's notreally easy to tell where it was
assembled.

SPEAKER_01 (19:17):
But it definitely was not assembled at gold.

SPEAKER_05 (19:19):
That's it was not assembled by Sea Org members,
highly trained technical,electronic Sea Org members, like
the little 10-year-old kids fromthe Intranch or people coming in
from uh for all hands that usedto mow the lawns.
Yeah.
This is made in a factory.
Um downtown.

(19:40):
That's from the song.

SPEAKER_02 (19:41):
Anyway, um I I gathered that much, honey.
Peaches.

SPEAKER_05 (19:46):
Presidents.
Okay.
Um and yeah, so that's I mean,that's basically it.
This, so in that picture in thethumbnail, John Travolta has
already been getting rid ofspace cooties.

SPEAKER_01 (20:01):
Yes.

SPEAKER_05 (20:02):
Back in the 70s.
That's how long?
How many years is that?
That's he's been getting rid ofspace cooties for 50 years.
Is that is my math right?

SPEAKER_01 (20:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (20:11):
70s?

unknown (20:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (20:12):
45, 75.

SPEAKER_01 (20:14):
I was four when that picture was taken.

SPEAKER_05 (20:16):
And he was cranking out space cooties, getting rid
of them.
Now, I gotta explain this topeople because people think that
Xenu is a good guy inScientology, and that's Or maybe
they just don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (20:30):
Uh but they think that he's part of the, you know,
the origin they understand he'spart of the origin story.
Yeah, but he's But what the rolehe played, I don't think that's
ever made clear.

SPEAKER_05 (20:41):
That's right.
So in Scientology, Zenu is a badguy.
Okay.
Outside of Scientology, Zenu isa good guy.
Right.
Okay.
And body thetans are what arethese space cooties that
everybody has inside them.
According to L.
Ron Hubbard, Chief Fuddy Duddy,he says you have millions of

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these little aliens inside you,and you and you have to get rid
of them.
And when you go into session,you could get rid of a thousand
of these things, you could getrid of a cluster of them that
might be tens of thousands.

SPEAKER_01 (21:15):
Yeah, a cluster is where they've basically collided
and compacted and become one.
So they think that they're one,but instead it can be anywhere
from two to a million.
And so that's why you have tobreak up the cluster, and then
all of the individuals can befreed.

SPEAKER_05 (21:34):
Wow.
Okay.
This is what they reallybelieve.
In South Park, when they saythis is what Scientologists
actually believe.
This is what Scientologistsactually believe.
So this device it doesn't reallyzap them or it doesn't really do
anything.
It helps the Scientologistlocate them.

SPEAKER_01 (21:58):
That's exactly right.

SPEAKER_05 (21:59):
It's a it's a

SPEAKER_01 (22:00):
But as you can see, there's not some like radar uh
BT body Titan radar detector.

SPEAKER_05 (22:07):
Yeah, well that's what I was thinking about is
that the next meter, there isanother e-meter that was
designed by Hubbard.
And it's in his mansion at theinternational headquarters.
And I'll explain that in alittle bit.
But what I think this one, ifthey were gonna upgrade this not
to that one, the one that'ssupposed to be the fully, truly

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OT e-meter, they need like alittle box in here like they
have in Ghostbusters where thespace cooties get sucked in.
They go and they get sucked inhere, and then you just take it
to like Best Buy and just changethe cartridge or something.
You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 (22:43):
Okay, you want to submit a feedback card?

SPEAKER_05 (22:45):
Yeah, you could go on Amazon and just order.
I need a new space cootie filterfor my Mark Mark Mark Mark Mar
Mark Bonanza 10.
The Bonanza 10 meters got a alittle I don't know what that
box is called.

SPEAKER_01 (22:59):
Yeah, I don't remember.

SPEAKER_05 (23:00):
There might be a Ghostbusters nerd on here who
could say, I know ectoplasm, Iknow don't cross the streams, I
know that, but what how are theyoh, it's a containment.
It's a containment module.

SPEAKER_00 (23:09):
Oh, yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_05 (23:10):
It's a containment module.
We need a space cootiescontainment module.
And then the space cooties gothrough the cans and they go,
who then they capture them.

SPEAKER_03 (23:19):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 (23:20):
Yeah.
Anyway, I bet you those uh spacecooties would sell high on the
black market if you had ahundred million space cooties
and with all these cartridges.
Yeah.
I don't know, guys.
I'm just thinking outside thebox here.
The Scientologists are doingthis all wrong.
People want space cooties.

SPEAKER_01 (23:35):
Wasted resources.

SPEAKER_05 (23:37):
The whole thing with the space cooties.
Here, we can put this away.
We'll switch back over to here.
The whole thing with the spacecooties is that Scientology
believe that that's what'smaking you do things that you
you don't want to do.
Yep.
Things that are non-pro survivalor doing drugs or getting wild

(23:57):
with the ladies or the or thefellas or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 (24:00):
They think the space cooties Or even just not being
your best self.

SPEAKER_05 (24:04):
Yeah.
They think any of that is fromthe space cooties.

SPEAKER_00 (24:08):
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (24:09):
Okay.
I argue everything that makespeople awesome is because of
their space cooties they'remaking them out.
If they're making them do badshit, they're gonna make them do
good shit too.

SPEAKER_01 (24:21):
Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_05 (24:22):
Riddle me this, okay?
When Tom Cruise did Top Gun,more space cooties than he had
now.
Recently.
Every movie since Top Gun, he'shad less space cooties.
He had the most space cootieswhen he did Top Gun.

SPEAKER_00 (24:37):
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (24:38):
Or Risky Business.
Mr.
Risky Business had no he had allfull complement of space
cooties.
Anyway, you guys write down inthe comments what you think.
Space cooties up or down.
Either way, you can see thespace cooties.
Uh if you go to our website, youcan get Xenu and the Body
Thetans.
Same thing.
Body Thetans, Space Cooties.

(24:59):
Um you get we got space cooties.
We're coming out.
I keep saying this, but we arecoming out with a 2026 Xenu and
the Body Thetans concert Tseries with all new artwork from
John Christensen.

SPEAKER_01 (25:14):
Yes, which is amazing.
And um can see it back there.

SPEAKER_05 (25:18):
Yeah, it's in this, it's a it's back here.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
Right there.
Oh, you can see a little bit ofit there.
I guess you can see it in themain shot.

SPEAKER_02 (25:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (25:25):
Xenu and the body thetans.
Yeah.
Um and and sure, their lookshave changed over the years.
They're space aliens, guys.
They can do whatever they want.
They can put on they can pull anew face however they want to do
it.

SPEAKER_01 (25:37):
Unless anyone think otherwise.
This is a three-legged dude.

SPEAKER_05 (25:42):
Oh, yeah, that's right.
If you look at the image, it'sit's jarring at first, but he
has a third leg in the front.
Um and it is actually a leg,it's got a foot on the end of
it.
That's how I know it's a leg.

SPEAKER_03 (25:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (25:53):
And an alien foot, but whatever.
Um anyway, I think that ifScientologists knew that this is
where this is this is it's notholding the space cooties.
You're just getting rid of them.

SPEAKER_02 (26:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (26:10):
And that's another thing which I think is
irresponsible on the part ofScientologists that are
exercising their their theirbody thains.

SPEAKER_00 (26:18):
Yeah, evicting them.

SPEAKER_05 (26:19):
If they're bad for you and you're sending them off,
they're not you're notdestroying them.

SPEAKER_01 (26:23):
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (26:24):
You're not getting you're not psycho.

SPEAKER_01 (26:26):
You're not they're pulling they're polluting the
atmosphere of Earth.

SPEAKER_05 (26:29):
They're pissing them off and then they're going to
other people.

SPEAKER_01 (26:33):
Yep.

SPEAKER_05 (26:34):
So they're not actually solving the problem if
the space cooties are a problem.
They're just kicking the candown to the next guy who just
happened to be walking by.
I bet you Sea Org members havemore space cooties than any
other people.
What?
Oh, it's something on you thiswhole time.

SPEAKER_01 (26:49):
Yeah, you keep hitting the button with your
hand by mistake.
Yeah, it's all good.

SPEAKER_05 (26:52):
So the Sea Org members that are around all
these people getting and thekids of Scientologists that are
like OT in the OT levels,they're the ones probably
getting all these errant spacecooties.
You don't think so?
They're not going, they're notmoving to another town.

SPEAKER_01 (27:12):
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (27:13):
I mean, you're they're jumping out of one
place.

SPEAKER_01 (27:14):
They're not going back to where they came from.

SPEAKER_05 (27:16):
They're not going to nine million light years away or
wherever the fuck they camefrom.

SPEAKER_01 (27:21):
There's they they didn't come on a round-trip
ticket.

SPEAKER_05 (27:26):
They flew spirit and then it went out of business.
They had no way back.

SPEAKER_01 (27:31):
As Mark likes to say, sucks to suck.

SPEAKER_05 (27:33):
Sucks to suck.
Anyway, I just think if theScientologists knew that, they
might they might rework thefolklore a little bit.
There is there there are besidesit just being insanely crazy to
start with, there's a lot ofholes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (27:50):
Right?
Yeah.
I mean you cannot you can'tseriously try to insert logic in
any in any of this.

SPEAKER_05 (27:57):
Yeah.
Like people ask when we did theuh when I watched the South Park
thing.
I think we did an episode or wet we've talked about it.

SPEAKER_02 (28:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (28:04):
And that's where I found out about Lord Zenu and
body thickness was from SouthPark.
Like just a month or two afterwe'd left Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 (28:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (28:13):
And when I was watching it, Claire was in the
other room.

SPEAKER_00 (28:17):
Refusing to watch it.

SPEAKER_05 (28:18):
She didn't want to watch it.

SPEAKER_00 (28:19):
I was scared.

SPEAKER_05 (28:20):
And when she was she could hear though.
She was in the other room.
For sure.

SPEAKER_00 (28:25):
For sure.

SPEAKER_05 (28:26):
And then I and then she walked into the living room
like near the end or whatever.
And I looked up at her and I waslike, is this for real?
And she was like, yeah,basically it is.
It's yeah.
They've changed some of the, youknow, the wording and they've
like, you know, punched it upfor comedy, but it is
essentially the exact story.

SPEAKER_02 (28:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (28:43):
Um, and so I was just like, that was it.
I was done right there.
I was like, oh, you've got to bekidding me.

SPEAKER_02 (28:51):
Yep.

SPEAKER_05 (28:51):
And this is the crazy thing.
If you ask a Scientologist, doyou believe in space aliens?
And they know they are up to theoperating Thetan levels, they
will tell you, don't believe allthe stuff you read on the
internet.

SPEAKER_00 (29:05):
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (29:06):
They don't say no.
And if they do say no, they'relying.
100% lying.

SPEAKER_01 (29:11):
Right.
And even um even when peoplewould send in letters to the
reports officer in ReligiousTechnology Center, who, by the
way, was not an OT.
She had not studied the upperlevels.
So sometimes people would sendin letters that included the Z
New story and all this.
And even to her, she would justbe told, oh no, that's uh that's

(29:36):
just squirrel.
They're just you know messingwith us.

SPEAKER_05 (29:40):
Yeah, they're making up.

SPEAKER_01 (29:41):
Because she couldn't, she couldn't, she
didn't know that that's what itactually was.

SPEAKER_05 (29:46):
Yeah.
Shout out to Serena.

SPEAKER_01 (29:48):
Yeah, Serena, we hope you're doing well.

SPEAKER_05 (29:50):
Um anyway, so it's confidential in Scientology to
know about Xenu and the bodythetans.
Unless you're at OT, which isoperating Thetan level three.

SPEAKER_02 (30:04):
Yep.

SPEAKER_05 (30:05):
Um, that's when you find out about them.
That's the basically the SouthPark episode is OT three.

SPEAKER_02 (30:09):
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (30:10):
And then the the space cooties get up to all
sorts of nonsense as you go upthe OT levels, they're doing
drugs.

SPEAKER_01 (30:17):
On on OT5, operating thetan level five is when um
Hubbard states that that's whenhe alleges that you get to cure
cancer because you have bodythetans who are cancer.

SPEAKER_05 (30:33):
So they have cancer.

SPEAKER_01 (30:35):
Yeah, they're being cancer.
So if you find those bodythetans and release them, then
your cancer will release.

SPEAKER_05 (30:42):
Yeah, so this is where the medical claims started
getting them a little mucked upbecause Fuddy Duddy says this,
and then the FDA are like, youcan't say that.
You can't say that cancer isspace aliens.
Um which by the way, it is a Ididn't realize it, but since I
have been away from Scientology,I know a lot less people that

(31:06):
die of cancer.

SPEAKER_01 (31:07):
Oh, completely.

SPEAKER_05 (31:09):
In Scientology at the international headquarters,
I could probably list off twentypeople.
More than that.
30, 40 people that died ofcancer.
And many of those while we werethere, it was just like poof,
poof.

SPEAKER_01 (31:22):
Yeah, and some of them were super young, like
Burke Shackleton ended up withum what's it called?
Uh the skin skin cancer,melanoma.
Melanoma, yes, exactly.
Um, but it would but becausethere was such an extreme lack
of medical care, routine,checkups, any and any of that,
as we've said before, whenyou're barely getting any sleep,

(31:45):
everybody is exhausted.
Anytime you get in ethicstrouble, you suffer extreme
weight loss, oftentimes don'thave access to even just basic
nutrition.
Um, and so by the time peoplewould be like, I'm really,
really exhausted and really notfeeling good.
And by the time they'd go to adoctor, oftentimes it was stage
three or stage four, like Chuckthat happened with Chuck Lemer.

(32:08):
Lemmer.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (32:09):
And also Chuck Brown Baker, Greg Brown, all these
different people.
But regardless, this kind ofechoes back to what I was
saying.
There are all those Sea Orgmembers there.
They're scooping up extra extraThetans.
If somebody else got rid ofthem, they just went to somebody
else there.
They wasn't doing OT levels.
I'm telling you, they got it allbackwards over there.

(32:30):
Um we should do some uh commentsand then we'll do a giveaway at
the end.
We'll ask we'll let people uhwe'll let people tell us where
they're coming from.
Um Brian.

SPEAKER_01 (32:43):
Oh, hold on.
Let me get back but get over tomy other stage.
All right, Brian, sweet, parttwo.
Now we can get rid of whateveraliens weren't removed during
part one.
Yes, exactly.
Angel Cat, hi from Sunland,California.
Mystic Pebble, hi fromHampshire, UK.
Angel Cat, looking forward toseeing the Easy Bake Oven.
It's been decades since not onlyseeing one, but using one.

(33:05):
LOL.
There you go.
Trevanon, good evening from theNetherlands.
Mary Kay, happy Sunday.
Hello from Albuquerque.
It's a beautiful day here andnice.
Trevenon, Travolta still hasn'taudited out his BTs.
Exactly.
Yep, still going.
L Run Fuddy Duddy, greetingsfrom Target 2.
Nice.

(33:25):
I love it.

SPEAKER_05 (33:26):
Look at he's on a rocket in a thumbnail.

SPEAKER_01 (33:29):
Becky, good evening.
Happy Sunday from Reading, UK.
Nice.
Hello, oh, XJW Vernon.
Nice.
Thanks for joining us.
Uh hi from Lisbon, Portugal.
Nice.
Hello from Berlin, Germany.
Sauerkraut.
Mystic Pebble.
Looking forward to demystifyingthis machine that I was made to

(33:50):
feel so scared of.
It feels ridiculous now.
I know, right?

SPEAKER_05 (33:53):
Yeah, that's but that is a really good point.
This is just a it's literally,it's an electronic uh accessory
that was made in China inMalaysia.
Yeah.
It doesn't do anything.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (34:06):
It's the it's it's the single biggest element of
the Emperor's new clothes story.
Like everybody thinks, like, oh,when when I pick up those cans,
my deepest, darkest secrets willbecome obvious.
I mean, if you even havedeepest, darkest secrets, like
whatever.
But then you just go, really?
Don't write yourself off thepower of belief.

(34:28):
Tracy, howdy from Wyoming.
Nice.
Olga from Northwest Oregon.
Old Techie, hello from Nebraska.
Good to see you here.
Joyo.
Satan Satan, good evening fromLondon.
I like that.
I do too.
Jacob, hello from Monrovia,California.

(34:51):
HCS, good evening from SouthAfrica.
Nice.
Awesome.
Greetings from Santa Monica.
Nice.
Our old haunts.
Ryan, hello from Mississauga,Ontario, Canada.
Awesome.
Doretta's daughter.
Hi, all from Pools Boot,Paulsbow, Washington on the Kit
Sat Peninsula.

(35:12):
Annette, hi from Sweden from anex-scientologist.
Nice.
Good to see you here.
Thanks for joining us.
Bok Buddy, the BT now stands forbake time.

SPEAKER_05 (35:22):
Bake time.

SPEAKER_01 (35:24):
Yay.

SPEAKER_05 (35:25):
I know I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (35:26):
What was that?
What's that baking song thatalways was?

SPEAKER_05 (35:29):
Gotta do the cooking by the book.

SPEAKER_01 (35:31):
Yes.
Oh my gosh.
That just isn't.

SPEAKER_05 (35:33):
If you want to want to get a good time, do the
cooking by the book.
Little Wayne remix.
Okay.
Okay.
Or is it little John?
Some it's some little, somelittle remix.

SPEAKER_01 (35:46):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (35:46):
It's the best.

SPEAKER_01 (35:47):
That girl with the pink hair dancing round.

SPEAKER_05 (35:49):
Gotta do the cooking by the book.
If you want the crazy.
Okay.
Um now I wanna now I want aneasy bake oven.

SPEAKER_01 (35:57):
Catherine, now I want to get an easy bake oven
and put a Mark Ultra 8 stickeron it.
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (36:02):
You can do that with AI in eight seconds.

SPEAKER_01 (36:05):
That's so funny.

SPEAKER_05 (36:06):
You could put the easy bake oven.

SPEAKER_01 (36:09):
When you hold them up like side by side, the side
by side comparison is just like,what the heck?
It's the best.
We gotta show you.
Somebody should check thedesigner's resume.

SPEAKER_04 (36:18):
Hold the other side.

SPEAKER_01 (36:19):
Okay.
Hold what?

SPEAKER_04 (36:20):
That side.
Hold that side.

SPEAKER_01 (36:21):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (36:22):
There you go.
Put that up.
Look at this, guys.
Look at this.

SPEAKER_05 (36:26):
Come on.
What are we doing here?
It's the same designer that madethe easy bake oven, made
Scientology's e-meter.
Look at that.

SPEAKER_02 (36:38):
Yep.

SPEAKER_05 (36:39):
I mean.
But that does something.
It makes brownies.
Okay?

SPEAKER_02 (36:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (36:45):
I don't remember who had one when I was a kid, but I
remember I remember mixing up abatch of brownies and putting in
that easy bake, and they weredelish.

SPEAKER_01 (36:54):
Nice.

SPEAKER_05 (36:55):
Okay, they were a treat.

SPEAKER_01 (36:56):
I didn't have an easy bake, but I had like a
little miniature stove with alittle miniature oven.
Loved baking, still do.

SPEAKER_05 (37:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (37:06):
I am Denver Stevo.
We need an e-meter app for theiPhone.
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (37:11):
Okay, now this is another crazy thing.
Yeah.
Because there's there's moreex-Scientologists than there are
Scientologists that are auditingand going to the organization
and paying money and all that.

SPEAKER_02 (37:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (37:26):
They have a digital e-meter app that you can
download from the internet.
And you can plug in the cans.
You can do the whole thing.
And so yeah, I don't know.
People could be doing it as anapp.
I don't it would be silly tohave it on the iPhone because
you're not gonna make any moneyon that.

SPEAKER_02 (37:44):
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (37:45):
You could make it a game where you like zap every
time you get a BT, you zap itwith the biggest one.
I did actually.
I did I did use AI to make it.
It was called what was itcalled?

SPEAKER_01 (37:57):
BT Hunter or BT Hunter.
Yes.
BT Hunter.
Yep.

SPEAKER_05 (38:01):
It was pretty awesome.
Anyway, somebody could do it.

SPEAKER_01 (38:03):
And it had really funny sound effects.
So every time you zap the alien,it was like an alien squealing.
Yeah, it was like it was prettyawesome.
It was one night Mark couldn'tsleep.
I woke up the next morning.
He's like, oh, I made thisreally cool BT Hunter game.
Pro tip skip the cans and clipthe leads directly on your

(38:25):
earlobes.
Well, no thanks.
I'll pass, but appreciate thesuggestion.
Why are you going so high?
I'm in the same way.
Stop it.
Oh, knock it off, buddy.
Is Travolta still active inScientology?
Because I figured he'd probablydistance himself.
As far as I know as we know,yes, he is definitely.

SPEAKER_05 (38:46):
He's just at their last event.
Scanner right next to Tommy Boy.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (38:51):
Isn't he one of the ones that they photoshopped out
of the audience?
Tony Ortega covered that.
They definitely photoshopped TomCruise out.
Yeah.
And I'm pretty sure JohnTravolta as well.
Anyway.
Yeah.
But he is still active, yes.

SPEAKER_04 (39:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (39:05):
Oh, Elron Fuddy Duddy again.
Update from Target 2.
I'm flick-flipping burgers topay rent on the studio apartment
I share with the Duke of Chug.

SPEAKER_05 (39:13):
Oh wow, this guy's deep, deep, deep.
He's like talking about Chug isuh computer advice that L.
Ron Hubbard wrote.
And there's like a it's it'sbasically just like another
Xenus story, but it's about thisthe Duke of Chug that was like
this computer uh hacker dude.
Yes.
Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 (39:33):
Oh my god, Scientology is so nice work,
Elron Fuddy Duddy.
Thanks for uh the the uh rabbithole.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (39:42):
And what what there was somebody Okay, here you go.

SPEAKER_01 (39:46):
Okay.
Joan, do they even let peoplewho've heard about it before get
to that level?
They do, but not without likereal investigation as to how
they found out about it and whathappened and you know, because
if it if some if Billy Bob'sScientologist just was like, oh
yeah, I was just Googling to seewhat it was about.

SPEAKER_05 (40:08):
No, no, no, it's you're not gonna have to.
If you hear this is anotherthing, if you're in Scientology
and you're gonna you plan ongoing back into the
organization, don't say the wordXenu or body thetan.
Don't don't even say spacecootie.
Keep you if you you're it'sgonna cost you tens of thousands
of dollars in interrogations tofind out where you heard about

(40:29):
that, even though you know youcan just Google the word
Scientology and then when thebody thetan comes up about 150
times.

SPEAKER_01 (40:36):
Yeah, I mean look at the example of Leah Remini.
She asked, where's ShelleyMiscavige?
And that cost her like fortythousand dollars just for even
asking that question.

SPEAKER_05 (40:45):
Yeah.
This is another good one, andand most likely true.

SPEAKER_01 (40:49):
Okay.
Uh hold on, let me get back.
I was just trying to pull up thename of the um replay crew
winner from last week.
Um what the I'll read it.
Okay.
Question.
No, I got it.
Question.
Do you think that Kelly Prestonand Chris Kirsty Alley deaths
were faster because they triedto cure themselves?

SPEAKER_05 (41:08):
Um It's likely.

SPEAKER_01 (41:10):
Yeah, it is very likely.

SPEAKER_05 (41:11):
100% be a factor because L.
Ron Hubbard said that if you getrid of these cancerous body
thitans, that will cure yourcancer.
And there's many people who haveailments in Scientology, and
Scientology tells them to donateas much money so they can get up
the the bridge to total freedomand do their next step so that

(41:32):
they can get to the step wherethey're going to get rid of
their cancerous body thitens.

SPEAKER_02 (41:37):
Yep.

SPEAKER_05 (41:37):
So this is the same thing as in the Sea Org.
In the Sea Org, you're justtired and achy all the time.
That's just that's detent.
That's uh that's that's thestandard preset for a Sea Org
member.
Right.
Tired, hungry, and achy.

SPEAKER_02 (41:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (41:51):
Um and and uh and uh irritated.
Oh yeah, yeah, exactly.
If you're all those things, youget easily irritated.

SPEAKER_01 (42:01):
Yeah.
But a Scientologist with a acancer diagnosis will prioritize
fixing it with Scientology overmedical treatment, re medical
recommendations any day of theweek, and that is where it's
problematic.

SPEAKER_05 (42:14):
Aaron Powell Because that's the way they're taught.

SPEAKER_01 (42:16):
That's right.

SPEAKER_05 (42:17):
So I don't think that I don't know that it is
making them get the cancerfaster, but it's definitely not
doing anything to changeanything they're doing with the
cancer, the Scientology aspectof it as.
I mean, I'm sure that diet andexercise and and maybe if you
need to do radiation orchemotherapy or whatever, I'm

(42:37):
sure any one of those would helpthem much more than use sitting
on the e-meter trying to trackdown frickin' clusters of the
yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (42:47):
Not to mention the fact the stress of all the tens
of thousands of dollars.

unknown (42:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (42:53):
Okay, then you just tens of thousands of dollars
they have to spend to get thatauditing.

SPEAKER_05 (43:00):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
I think I just messed up yourother camera though.

SPEAKER_01 (43:05):
You just yanked my chair a foot.
You didn't think it would haveany impact.

SPEAKER_05 (43:10):
Oh, I moved it.
I know why I moved it now.
I moved it because of the um ofthis camera rig.
So that we wouldn't see this inyour shot.

SPEAKER_01 (43:19):
Let me see my shot now.

SPEAKER_05 (43:20):
It's fine.
You don't see it in that thewide shot, but you just see it.
It's not the it's not the end ofthe world.
But and I didn't want it inthere.
Anyway, that was a greatquestion.

SPEAKER_01 (43:29):
Yes.

SPEAKER_05 (43:30):
And true.
Okay, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 (43:34):
Okay.
Gabriella.
Question off topic.
Sorry.
After leaving Scientology, didyou find other beliefs or are
you atheists?

SPEAKER_05 (43:43):
I wouldn't say we're atheists.
I just say that we don't really,we're not really hip to
organized religion.

SPEAKER_01 (43:50):
Not really?
Like, hell no.
Ain't going anywhere near anyorganized religion for the rest
of my life.
I would say um recovering from30 years in a cult.
Um but but no I I don't considermyself an atheist either.
I I I absolutely think that youknow I I just prefer to
subscribe to whatever I don'tknow.

(44:12):
That's okay.
I'm open to hearing otherperspectives and beliefs, but
it's totally okay with me that Idon't know what happens when we
die.
And therefore I'd much ratherfocus on doing good with the
days and weeks and months that Ihave that are in my control.
And you know.

SPEAKER_05 (44:31):
Amen.

SPEAKER_01 (44:31):
There you go.

SPEAKER_05 (44:33):
Okay.
Um this is a good one.

SPEAKER_01 (44:37):
Uh super weekend warriors.
What about the negative impactsof the electric charge going
through the body for years?

SPEAKER_05 (44:44):
It's it's literally it's a micro.
You could you could you couldput those cans, just put them on
your tongue.
You wouldn't even feel it.
It's nothing.
A nine-volt battery is like athousand times more than what
whatever's going through there.

SPEAKER_02 (44:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (44:59):
Old techie's probably going to be like, ah,
now it's 87.42 is the actualamount.

SPEAKER_01 (45:04):
It's please know, old techie, he's saying that
with love, not with anythingelse.

SPEAKER_05 (45:09):
It's a million times or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 (45:12):
Yeah, it's it's not it's nominal, even over
thousands of hours of auditing.
I think that's fair to say.

SPEAKER_05 (45:19):
Yeah.
Okay.
Ooh.
Oh, here's a good one.
This is, I mean, this is like asame thing.

SPEAKER_01 (45:24):
Greetings, Mr.
and Mrs.
Headley.
Question.
Am I right to say that someonelike Tom Cruise or John Travolta
wouldn't go to therehabilitation project force in
case of a rock slam?
Yes, you're absolutely right.
But the reason for that is thatthey're not members of the C
organization.
Those are the billion-year.

SPEAKER_05 (45:43):
Those are the billion-year guys.

SPEAKER_01 (45:44):
Civilian Scientologists, even if they
have a rock slam, they don'tthey're not sent to the
rehabilitation project force.

SPEAKER_05 (45:51):
But they will have to do a lot of counseling to
find out exactly what's behindthat little uh Rocky Rocky
McRock slammer.

SPEAKER_01 (45:58):
Yes, exactly, for sure.
Great question.

SPEAKER_05 (46:01):
Yeah.
Oh, you know, we could actuallyshow that.

unknown (46:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (46:06):
We should do that.
But I'm gonna put that up realquick because people wanted us
to show different needlereactions, but we couldn't
because that other meter wasdead.

SPEAKER_02 (46:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (46:14):
So let's just see if you can if you guys can see
that.
Here let me put me back overhere.
There you go.

SPEAKER_00 (46:20):
There you go.

SPEAKER_05 (46:21):
So it's hard to do a floating needle, but if it was
just like that's pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 (46:25):
If it just kind of rhythmic sweep of the dial at a
slow, even pace of the needle,back and forth, back and forth.
That's the paraphrase definitionof a floating needle.
So it's like this.

SPEAKER_05 (46:39):
And it uh Yeah, this is a little jerky just because
it's hard to do like this.
Oh, I can do this sensitivitylow, and then it would Yeah, we
don't have a read simulator.
Anyway, it goes back like that.
But a rock slam, a rock slam.

SPEAKER_01 (46:55):
Put it on all the way up on sensitivity.
Rock slam would be somethinglike slashing erratic back and
forth.

SPEAKER_05 (47:04):
That would be like a rock slam.

SPEAKER_01 (47:06):
But like that times ten is supposed to be what it
is, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (47:09):
That would be like what a so you're sitting there
on the cans and the needle isdoing that.
And then they sign if you ifthat happens, if you're an
auditor in Scientology, this islike Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_01 (47:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (47:21):
When you see this, you're seeing something.

SPEAKER_01 (47:24):
The craziest thing is that sometimes you can
actually even hear the needleslamming.
Slamming against the auditor andthe person on the cans.
You can hear.

SPEAKER_05 (47:34):
Yeah, let's be quiet.
Maybe we can.

SPEAKER_01 (47:38):
Well, you're hearing the knob, but you can hear it.

SPEAKER_05 (47:43):
Oh, shush your mouth.

SPEAKER_01 (47:45):
Shush your mouth.
What's your step, honey?

SPEAKER_05 (47:49):
You can hear it.
Listen.
Yeah, you can hear it.
Good.
Get your headphones on, guys.
Anyway, so that's what a rockslam looks like.
Now, this is a good point.
This is good.
I uh this is what I wanted to dooriginally.
So if you have the needle, it'sfloating, then that means you're

(48:12):
done with whatever you're doing.
So if you were confessing tosomething, that's done now.
You don't have to do anymore.
It's the confession is over.
And if it if you're doing awhole bunch of processes in an
in a session and then it's doingthat, then that could mean the
end of the session.
Right?

SPEAKER_01 (48:29):
Okay, so if it's floating back, or the end of
whatever the current thing thatyou're doing, and now you're
going on to the next.

SPEAKER_05 (48:35):
It's a good point to stop the session.
Yeah, you've been in session forlike an hour and a half.

SPEAKER_01 (48:39):
You can't stop a session until you have a
floating needle.

SPEAKER_05 (48:42):
Exactly.
So now there's a thing calledfloating TA.

SPEAKER_02 (48:47):
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (48:47):
Okay, and that's when the so when it's swinging
back and forth, it's just on thedial.

SPEAKER_02 (48:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (48:52):
It's not no one's moving this.
You're holding the cans ismoving this.
Now, sometimes you could have afloating needle that is so big
that it doesn't stay on thedial.
And then the person has to ridethe TA back and forth to keep
the needle on the dial.
Right.
And that's called floating TA.
And floating TA is basicallylike your shit don't stick no

(49:16):
more.
You're like, you're the shit.
It's like, whoa, dude, thisguy's floating mile high.
Now, for me in Scientology, ifyou've read my book, you know
this.
But I went to a depeche modeconcert in Pasadena at the Rose
Bowl, and my friend Jesse and Iwere front row center for the
biggest depeche mode concert inthe god dang world.

(49:39):
And whenever I would be on thee-meter and they'd be asking me
questions, I just think aboutthat depeche mode concert.
And I would, there were manytimes when not only would I get
floating needles, I floatingneedle, that's that's that's
chunk change.
I could go get floating TA fromthinking about that.

(49:59):
So I don't know what's going onin there, but that's how I did
it, and it worked good for me.

SPEAKER_01 (50:05):
Anyway, um, shout out to Ian Rafalco has joined
us.
Yay! Good to see you.
Oh, here we go.

SPEAKER_05 (50:12):
He's got a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 (50:14):
Okay, there's a procedure for rock slam checks,
but it's just yanking out thecable with your thumb silently
and seeing if it's defective.
Yes, exactly.
So anytime a rock slam starts,the very first thing you do is
um you check the meter.
So you disconnect the the cansfrom the e-meter and those cans
over here.
I threw them over there.

SPEAKER_05 (50:34):
Good job.

SPEAKER_01 (50:34):
Yeah.
Anyway, but yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (50:36):
Plug in right there.
You just basically unplug thecans from this little connector
and then plug them back in.

SPEAKER_01 (50:41):
And like most of the time, at least that I saw when
someone had a rock slam, whenthey went to do that check, the
meter, it was the meter, it wasfaulty and it would keep rock
slamming, in which case then youthat's why that's also the
reason why you have to alwayshave a spare meter in every
auditing session.
You have two meters, so that ifthat happens, you can just, oh,

(51:03):
whoops, we've got a faultymeter, let's swap it out.

SPEAKER_03 (51:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (51:07):
Um, but anyway, as as you said, the last time we
talked about this and thatprocedure, it doesn't always
replicate, even if the meter isfaulty.

SPEAKER_05 (51:15):
Yeah, and here's where you can't have
10-year-olds making thesethings.
Right.
Because if they don't know howto solder or they plugged in the
connector a little loose, or anyone of a million things that
went into making these old ones,they would rock slam or I bet
you now that these are made in afactory in Taiwan, they ain't
rock slamming as much as theyused to.

SPEAKER_03 (51:38):
I go on an eliminate.

SPEAKER_05 (51:39):
I don't know.
But either way, this um any oneof these parts could go bad and
create a rock slam.

SPEAKER_01 (51:46):
Right.
But conversely, these weresitting on in a storage unit on
a shelf for what eight, nineyears before they were released.
So the chances of them gettingdusty in there, and that's also
what part of what causes therock slam too.
Well, we'll see.

SPEAKER_05 (52:05):
Yeah.
Here's another this is a greatone from the question: is there
a way to force a floatingneedle?

SPEAKER_01 (52:11):
Like, think of something happy.
Mark just answered thatquestion, Matt.
Yes, there is.

SPEAKER_05 (52:16):
I mean, that worked for me.

SPEAKER_01 (52:18):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05 (52:20):
And I mean, it worked for the all the years.

SPEAKER_01 (52:24):
I've seen I've heard a bunch of people say that that
a similar thing worked for them.
That was just, you know,whatever.

SPEAKER_05 (52:31):
Yeah.
But see, I wasn't paying forthis.
I wasn't getting Scientology.
I was being interrogated.

SPEAKER_02 (52:37):
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (52:38):
Not 90% of the times I was on an e-meter.
I was being asked questions.

SPEAKER_02 (52:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (52:44):
I did whatever auditing I did with Tom Cruise.
And a lot of that was, I thinksome of that was on the meter,
but some of that was just uhwalking around doing stuff
processes.
What do you call it?

SPEAKER_01 (52:54):
Which is what they call objective processes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (52:57):
So it was both.
But we were definitely on themeter.
Oh, I don't did I ever tell whenI was being audited by Tom
Cruise on the e-meter, I fellasleep.

SPEAKER_02 (53:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (53:09):
Like in the middle of him asking.
It was one of these ones wherethey just say, they're just
asking you questions over andover again, and you don't have
to answer with your mouth.
You're just you're just thinkingabout it, and then they're and
then the auditor, the counselor,is just looking at the meter to
see if something is there asthey ask a question.
Like basically, if your needle'sjust sitting there and doing

(53:29):
nothing, just kind of movingaround slowly, and then they're
asking you this question, and itgoes, then they go, ooh, that's
the thing.
We got to find out what that is.
So he was just asking me a longlist of questions, and um, and I
was like, this might seem like agood time for a nap.
Yeah.
And uh just kind of and I snorewhen I sleep.

(53:50):
I snore.
Oh my gosh, do you ever have adeviated septum?
Um, I I have had sleep apneastudy, and I do not have sleep
apnea, but I definitely have adeviated septum.
And in our room at night, thisis the funniest thing.
We have two dogs that snore anda cat that snores.

SPEAKER_02 (54:07):
Yep.

SPEAKER_05 (54:08):
And a dad that snores.
So there's at least four snoresgoing on in our room.

SPEAKER_01 (54:14):
At one point, Mark was like, I don't snore.
So the next time he startedsnoring, I just whipped out my
iPhone and started recording it.
I'm like, uh, beg to differ.
Claire.
Oh, Trevanon.
Claire, did you have a s a thingsimilar to Mark thinking back
being at the DePach Modeconcert?
So unfortunately, I never got togo to any good concerts.

(54:34):
I know, but it could be any.
I know, I know.
If I if I could be eating an icecream.
No, but if I would have gottento gone to gotten to go to an
aha concert, then I might havethat.
Unfortunately, my parents onlyever took me to Bonnie Raitt.
I was never a huge fan of theseterrible.

SPEAKER_05 (54:50):
So you're saying there were no moments that you
could pull from that werepowerful enough.

SPEAKER_01 (54:57):
No, you know, and definitely I would not think
about my childhood.
I would avoid that at all costs.
But I would say that my hack wasmore like uh um med closest to
just a meditative state of mind.

SPEAKER_03 (55:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (55:10):
If you just feel like just shut out all the noise
and just feel zen for a moment.
And I could do that on command.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (55:19):
I bet you that I bet you every single Scientologist
has something that they do.
Yeah, for sure.
Which is kind of crazy if youthink of it.
Because every person that I'vetalked to will be like, oh yeah,
I totally did that.
Every single ex-scientologist islike, yeah, just think happy
thoughts, man.

SPEAKER_01 (55:34):
Yeah, because because you know, that is kind
of the the contradiction.
Like you think, oh, well, youknow, people want to get
auditing, but then when you'restuck there and it's going to
keep going until you have afloating needle.

SPEAKER_05 (55:47):
Yeah, that's exactly what I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_01 (55:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (55:49):
Sometimes, even if you're not getting an
interrogation, like even whenthe Tom Cruise are doing
whatever, it's repetitivecommands.
I mean, but getting to be donewhen you go when there's hope
that, oh, we're done.

SPEAKER_01 (56:03):
Even just the thought of, oh, I'll be I'll
feel happy if we can come to theend and be like, oh, your needle
is floating.
That's right.

SPEAKER_05 (56:10):
And then you're like, now it really is, because
we don't have to do thisanymore.
Yeah.
There's a lot of good questionshere today.

SPEAKER_01 (56:17):
Yes, question.
Megan is a cat.
Do Scientologists ever bringtheir own e-meter to auditing
sessions, or do they just usethe e-meters at the org?
Yeah, that's a good question.
So um, when you're training tobecome a counselor, you have to
have your own you have to havetwo e-meters.
But the org, the organizationhas e-meters in the auditing

(56:38):
room.
So those are what's used whenyou go in for a counseling
session.
But when you're doing soloauditing, i.e., you know,
telepathically communicatingwith your body thitans to find
them and release and evict them,then you're using your own
e-meter.
So hopefully that answers yourquestion there.

SPEAKER_05 (56:55):
Yeah, but then also if you were if you went into the
org and you were gonna do asession with somebody else, and
the org didn't have enoughe-meters in all the rooms,
because sometimes the orgs onlyhave 10 e-meters.

SPEAKER_02 (57:07):
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (57:08):
So they don't have enough for everyone to use them
if they're coming in.
So they you use yours in thecourse room, and sometimes you
would use yours if you weredoing something at the
organization, auditing somebody,you would use your own e-meter.

SPEAKER_01 (57:18):
Yeah.
And by the way, theorganizations have to purchase
them just like everybody elsedoes.

SPEAKER_05 (57:23):
Oh, yeah, they're paying for it.

SPEAKER_01 (57:25):
It's not like they're provided.

SPEAKER_05 (57:27):
I don't think they pay the full$5,000, but they do
pay a lot.
Yeah.
It's at least it's at least$2,500 or$3,000 or something
like that that the organizationhas to pay.
Because Golden Era still needsto make their money.
Right.
In Scientology, the money isjust taken out of one pocket and
putting it together.
When you do something.

SPEAKER_01 (57:46):
Didn't the organization even have to
purchase them to then sell themto the public?
Yes.
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (57:51):
So you could have um an organization gets in a
hundred dollars.
A percentage of that goes toReligious Technology Center, no
matter what, a percentage ofthat goes to author services for
royalties for L.
Ron Hubbard for using his nameand likeness and tech and
writings.
And then money goes to antmanagement, money goes to FLAG,

(58:12):
money goes to all these placesjust automatically for every
dollar that you spend inScientology.
And it and it's gone at the theorganization doesn't get a large
percentage of that money.
Most of the money's gone by thetime it's left over for them.

SPEAKER_01 (58:29):
Yeah, which by the way, somebody I maybe it was
Catherine, but somebody saidrecently for a little bit they
were doing staff pay on directdeposit, but they stopped that
and it went back to uh you knowa nominal amount for yeah.
Anyway, Catherine, I had afloating needle when I was
reading and watching all sortsof stuff on YouTube about what's

(58:49):
really going on in Scientology.
There you go.
The truth shall set you free.

SPEAKER_05 (58:53):
And give you floating needles if you if you
Yeah, it's like all of a suddennow it makes sense.
I was just gonna say that.
There's so many secrets inScientology when you're in it,
that if you hear and that's thegossip that goes around
Scientologists, they go, Oh, youknow, I heard Debbie Cook didn't
go to this place, she's now inTexas doing this, or you know,

(59:15):
they that spreads around thewhisper well in Scientology.
And so if somebody says, Oh mygosh, did you see the South Park
thing, I think that might bewhat OT3 is.
People that aren't at thatlevel.

SPEAKER_01 (59:27):
But but in reality, a Scientologist in good standing
would never have thatconversation.

SPEAKER_05 (59:31):
I know, but there's a lot of Scientologists watching
this.

SPEAKER_01 (59:34):
But there's always there's always also the risk,
like, can you trust Billy Bob tohave this conversation or is he
gonna write a knowledge reporton me, you know?
Anyway, whatever.
That's the sad part.
Joan, when do you think a newe-meter will get released?
Gotta be a lot of cash to beearned.

SPEAKER_05 (59:50):
Yeah, so here's the thing.
In L.
Ron Hubbard's mansion, there isanother e-meter that was made.
And it doesn't have anyconnectors.
It doesn't have any um cans orelectrodes.
It's n none of that.
And and this I got the tour fromAnnie Tidman of L.

(01:00:11):
Ron Hubbard's house.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:12):
And she was in peace, Annie.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:14):
Yeah, and she was one of his messengers that was
with him the most of any othermessenger, one of his little
assistant girls.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:22):
And she was started when she was like twelve or
thirteen.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:25):
And she outlived him.
But even in the in the la hislast years where he was sick and
dying, she was with him duringthat entire time.
And he uh uh he wrote to havethis thing made and this meter
would pick up the aliens and dothings just on its own.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:48):
Without the need for a physical human body.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:51):
Yes.
So this is an e-meter.
This was this was an e-meterthat you could use after you had
exited your your your coil, youryour body.
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:09):
Yeah, he was now that he no longer had a human
body.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:12):
Yes.
Yes.
So that is the next metertechnology.
There is the meter that theyhave now, they they could put a
smaller circuit board in it thatdoes the exact same thing.
I'm sure that it could be thesize of a coaster.
The amount of stuff that thatthing's doing.
It's like just a fewmicroprocessors and a charging
board.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:31):
But um I mean it's it's not gonna they're not gonna
come out with another one.
This is it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:36):
If they do come out with another one, it's just
gonna have dumb features thatcame up that they should have
put in that one.
Yeah, maybe a new USB port.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:44):
Yeah, I'm sure David Miscavige would love to come out
with a new e-meter, becauseyou're right, it is a great
source of income for them.
But well, I guess we'll see.
Okay.
At blown for good, what do youthink?
How many years does doesScientology have left?
Now the kids are storming themand are not afraid.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:03):
Yeah, I don't I don't know that the people in
Scientology hear about a lot ofthat stuff just because they're
told not to read about bad stuffon the internet.
I'm sure they're aware ofwhatever goes around and stuff.
They they they're they they'rethey want to know, they're
looking around.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:23):
Um but I think until they stop getting their own kids
in, they've got enough people inthere that are popping out
enough kids that their kids aregetting in.
And if in even at theinternational headquarters in
the sea organization, almost allof the people that are in the
sea organization are children ofScientologists.

(01:02:46):
Right.
Or child or grandchildren ofScientologists.
So it's been it's been aroundsince the 50s now.
So you've got like Scientologyand the 70 years of generations
of people that are getting theirkids into it, and then they're,
you know, they that's all theyknow.
They don't know anything outsideof that world that uh how it

(01:03:07):
would be not to be inScientology.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:09):
Yeah.
I would much rather see focus onthe current strategy of
involving kids, newly that as ofMarch of this year, they put out
these two new sets of booksspecifically targeting children.
Uh, I would much prefer to see alot more focus on that because
it should be illegal to involvechildren and cults, especially
when it comes to Scientology.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:31):
Olga, isn't there a safeguard on the new e-meters
now where it won't work unlessScientology unlocks something in
it?

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:38):
Yeah.
So we talked about this in thein the last video, but there's
basically a little timer builtinto the e-meter that will go
for a certain amount of time andthen it has to be silver, what's
called silver certified.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:51):
Which is how they used to do it with the old ones,
but you'd have to send them in.
Well, on this new one, you haveto actually plug it into your
computer and you go to awebsite.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:01):
And you have to have your user credentials.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:04):
Yeah, you can't just yeah, you can't just you can't
just log in as Billy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:08):
So so how come this one doesn't have it, but that
one does does.
Uh-huh.
So pray tell, honey.
Yeah.
Spill the beans.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:16):
We have another e-meter that we have here, and
that one does have the lockout,and I'm working on that right
now.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:23):
But so more to come.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:25):
Yeah, we'll see what if there's any developments
there.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:27):
Fill you in.
If if there's a small suddenexplosion in our podcast studio,
you'll hear about it.
No, it's not.
I know, I know.
I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:36):
But um, but so if you don't hook do that hookup,
that's also a way for them tocheck in on you.
Are how what are you doing?
It's basically a way for them tocapture a Scientology identity
that that has to reconnect tothem every every year, I think
it is, or every two years,whatever the period is.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:54):
And then if you don't check in, then your meter
stops working.
And it says on the e-meter dial,I would show you the other one,
but the other one hasidentifying features that would
narrow down possibly where thatone came from, even though it
could have come from a storageunit, it actually could have
come from a storage unit aswell.

(01:05:16):
But regardless, um we could havewon it in a random auction.
That's true.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:21):
We could have found it in a nearby dumpster.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:23):
That's true.
Um, or somebody could have justsent it to us in the mail.
But that one actually says righton it.
It does not, it's notoperational.
It has a full charge, it firesup, and when you turn it on, it
says please connect toHubbardemeter.org.org or
something like that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:42):
And um yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:45):
So by the way, as long as we're um as just a a
final thought on the lateststrategy of Scientology to lure
and recruit innocent children, Ithought I'd mention, I've been
trying to get a set of those.
Books.
Multiple different people havebeen trying to help me.
And every single time we placean order, not with anybody's

(01:06:09):
name, it just gets canceled byBridge Publications.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:13):
Well then what what the hell?

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:15):
I know.
Don't know.
Anyway, so if anybody out therelistening has access to get
those books, please send me anemail.
And you're talking about thenewest children's books for
Scientologists.
Targeting children as young asseven.
Because I thought it would beinteresting to to do a deep dive
in those.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:35):
We could compare them to the to the what L.
Ron Hubbard wrote.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:43):
Right.
But we, as being that both of uswere born and raised in
Scientology, you know, uh we weunderstand the how those
materials are intended to umbreak down normal.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:59):
Yeah, but basically what they do and basically what
they do with these books is thatif you're a parent of you're in
Scientology and you're a parent,each one of these books is a
module that you will use in yourlife that will replace whatever
you would do in the regularworld.
Right.
So if there's a way to punishyour children and how to put

(01:07:21):
penalties on them and make themwork for the family and
contribute, you take that,that's your new parenting
module.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:30):
That's what I thought would be really good to
kind of break down theindoctrination and the parts of
it that are super dangerous whenit comes to Scientology in
relation to uh uh to children.
So anyway, just thought I wouldmention that because things I've
mentioned lately have we'vewe've received all kinds of
helpful suggestions.
So if you have any helpfulsuggestions of how I could get

(01:07:52):
my hands on those books, praytell.
All right.
Okay, oh sorry, I I wasn'tpaying attention.
Um question.
Do you think that if one U.S.
state took action againstScientology, there would be a
knock-on effect?
What is the most realistic thinga state could do that would
actually have an effect?
Yeah, that is a very goodquestion.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:13):
Well, that's the reason why Scientology is
really, really worried aboutthis Danny Masterson case.
Because this case, even thoughDanny Masterson got convicted
and he went to jail for whateverfor the things that he did, he
is a proxy of Scientology.
And basically Scientology isalso being convicted in their

(01:08:35):
eyes in this Danny Mastersoncase.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:37):
And that's why they're trying to undo and David
Miscavige is incredibly unhappythat I was allowed to testify as
an expert witness on Scientologyin that case.
And so I'm I'm one of theprimary attack points.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:52):
Yeah, we get we we hear about it all the time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:55):
We sure do.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:56):
But even in that case, that sets a precedent that
Scientology stuck up for one oftheir members.
They knew about what happened.
They did, and that's and theywhitewashed the whole thing and
they tried to make it go away.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:13):
As they do.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:14):
Yeah, as they do with everything that happens
like this.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:17):
So this is this is they're trying to cry like, oh,
you can't have any involvement.
It's like, no, crimes werereported to you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:26):
Written documents.
Uh so that absolutely has to dowith um, you know, being
complicit in a crime and notreporting it to the appropriate
agencies.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:36):
It also highlighted their connection with the LAPD
and how they were able to evenassist or even promote that the
LAPD make this thing kind of goaway.
They get alerted when somebodycomes in and says something bad
about Scientology so that theycan send in, they can get to
work right away on spinning howthis is all nonsense.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:57):
Falk Buddy said, Little Davy hates you, Claire,
because you are taller than him.
Yes, I am.
I'm I'm sure that's not thecause of the hate in this
instance, but fair comment.

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:11):
Our 13-year-old's taller than him.
Come on, guys.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:13):
Our 13-year-old is taller than me.
Yeah, but I'm not even small,and I'm the smallest person in
my house.
I'm 5'7.
Come on now.
It's unfair.

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:22):
Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:24):
So they are that is a big thing.
If every time they lose alawsuit or a Scientologist is
convicted of a crime, orScientology was the one
benefiting from the crime.
Um, like when they had thatthing with um Reed Slatkin, Reed
Slatkin was the first person tomake a Ponzi scheme that was

(01:10:46):
bigger than the original Ponziguy.
And since then there have beenother ones, but um but it was a
very it was in the hundreds ofmillions of dollars that this
guy's basically stole.
And mostly he stole fromScientologists, which is the
craziest thing in the world.
So he had no scruples about uhscrewing over Davy Boy and all

(01:11:06):
his people.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:07):
Um okay.
Are we gonna do he's 413?
There's a bunch of people askinghow tall he is in the comments.
He's 4'13, 4'13 inches.
I like to say 413 because itsounds better than 5'1.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:18):
Yeah.
Okay.
There you go.
Um Mark's favorite heightcomment of all time.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:24):
413, baby.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:25):
Um okay by the way, we are doing a giveaway at the
end of this um episode, and Iwanted to take a moment to
announce our replay giveawayfrom our last live, which is
Helen Wood 8979.
I will put a comment on there,but at Helen Woods, I think it's
Woods.
Uh anyway, I'll I'll um comment,but make a community post so

(01:11:47):
they know or something.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:48):
We'll put in the video.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:49):
I'll write under her comment.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:51):
Oh, perfect.
Good thing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:52):
Uh shoot me an email if you're watching.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:55):
Okay, we got another another few comments.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:56):
Oh, David.
Hey from Memphis.
Ever cross paths with IsaacHayes?

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:01):
Many, many, many times.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:03):
Wasn't he in one of the films?

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:04):
He was.
We shot a film with him on thefit main film unit that I was
part of.
I was the shoot crew tree shootcut shoot crew chief, which is
equivalent to like the first andassistant director or second
assistant director, and they'reboth mixed together.
Um and I we to he was awesome.
Isaac Hayes was an awesome dude.

(01:12:25):
He didn't really know that muchabout Scientology.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:27):
He was never fanatical about Scientology.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:30):
And he did very he was not, I think he wasn't even
clear.
I don't remember.
It took a long time for him toget doing anything in terms of
courses, and they just he justwanted to be there and people
love on him.
And um, and they would pay, wepaid him uh to do things, and he
he did concerts and he did a tonof stuff in Scientology in the

(01:12:52):
performer world, but not so muchin the doing Scientology courses
and counseling world.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:58):
Um, but he did um oh my gosh, I've seen Isaac Hayes
do shaft in person, just sittingright there many, many times,
and he was amazing.
I mean, in terms of a musicalartist.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:13:14):
Um, and then we did the film with him, and then we
did we did shot him at celebritycenter events and interviewed
him for lots of differentthings, and he was a very cool
guy.
But the thing I want to say ishe had to read a script from L.
Ron Hubbard, and he was standingon a platform in the middle of
space.

(01:13:34):
Okay, this is the movie, it'scalled TR5 YTRs, what training
routines, and he basically isgiving the message that you have
to learn as much aboutScientology in the here and now
and know it so well that whenyou're born on another planet
and you're you start growing upon the other planet, you can

(01:13:57):
teach that planet aboutScientology.
And so there's a young boy thatwas this is I know where you're
going with this.
There was a young actress, uhyoung actor who played the boy
who learned Scientology in hislast life and then taught a
whole planet Scientology.

(01:14:18):
I mean, we're talking likethey're in there, it's caveman
Mars guys, and he's teachingthem um Scientology and how to
do auditing and how to docounseling and everything in
Scientology in another languagein an alien language.
And that actor was Johnny Lewis,the Scientologist who unalived
himself and unalived his elderlygrand uh grandmother landlord.

(01:14:43):
Um and um yeah, he was the main,it was him as the boy, Johnny
Lewis, and then Isaac Hayes wasthe narrator.
That was just the name of hispart, was narrator.
And he's on this space platform.
He says a little bit, you betterknow everything about
Scientology, and then it cuts toJohnny teaching people in the

(01:15:05):
sand, you know.
About the ARC triangle andthings like that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:09):
Yeah, no, I literally, as you were talking,
I had a flashback of that scenein the movie.
I'm like, oh yeah, I rememberthat.
Anyway, and then the sad part isthat that is the in one of the
many insidious parts ofScientology is because you do
Chinese school chanting ofthings over and over.
Like even if we wanted toforget, we uh I don't think it's

(01:15:30):
baked in.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:31):
It's hard-coded.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:34):
I wish I could forget.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:36):
We do forget some things, but then we easily
remember between the two of us.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:40):
And between our our amazing community of chatters,
too, like the people thatcomment and it all comes
flooding back.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:46):
So anyway, the one last thing I wanted to say about
Isaac Hayes was that it wasmurder for him to read this
script by Oren Hubbard.
He could not read it.
And he would mess it up, or he'dadd lib, or he'd reverse words,
or he it was we we it washundreds and hundreds and

(01:16:07):
hundreds of takes that we had tosplice or mix or do.
It was a nightmare to geteverything out of him because
he's just reading all this fweird fuddy-duddy stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:19):
And that was written, you know, eons ago.

SPEAKER_05 (01:16:22):
Isaac could not memorize it.
That was done.
There was no way he knew hislines.
We had to have teleprompter.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:29):
And even with the teleprompters he was on the
struggle bus.

SPEAKER_05 (01:16:32):
Even with the teleprompters, nearly impossible
to get a take of the wholedialogue in one take without
stumbling, mixing up words.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:42):
And so here's And I'm sure he was word cleared on
it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:16:45):
Oh, he did the all he sposedly spent a week just
word clearing the script.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:50):
So that's where you look up every single definition
in the text that and you read itout loud until you can do so
without any reaction, anyflinks, any like yawn, any
anything.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:03):
So in Scientology, if you're reading something and
you stumble, Scientologistsautomatically think that you
don't know the words that you'resaying.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:13):
Or you have a misunderstood word because
otherwise you wouldn't stumble.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:17):
That's right.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:18):
So you can't have a film that teaches you about
Scientology and the dude talkingis stumbling.
So it was a murder.
It was, I mean, we had a certainamount of days that we were
supposed to be able to shootwith him, and we burned that up
with not even getting that muchdone at all.
And Tommy Davis at that time washis handler.
And so he was just standingaround hanging out on set,

(01:17:39):
talking on, going out andtalking on the phone and that.
But he was the liaison to Isaac,even though Isaac did was did
all the things with Golden Arrowwith the band and everything.
So we all knew Isaac anyway.
So we're like, what is Tommydoing?
We don't, we don't Tommy is justbasically that was Tommy Davis's
job.
He would hang out withcelebrities.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:59):
Yeah.
If they were doing anything thatwas going to affect scientists,
in 2004, Tommy Davis wasliterally Tom Cruise's
assistant.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:06):
Yeah.
Crazy talk.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:08):
Crazy, crazy.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:10):
Okay.
Should we do some ways of thegivea?

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:12):
Yeah.
Let's do some giveaways.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:15):
Giveaways.
Let me see if I can do that.
If I did this right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:17):
All right.
Here we go, folks.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:19):
Oh, yeah, I did.
Look at that.
Damn, I'm good.
Just ask me.
I'll tell you.
Um, we got seven.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:24):
As our son likes to respond to that.
Uh no one's asking.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:28):
No one's asking.
The first time he dropped that,we were dying.
It was a whole crew.
It was a whole crew.
And I said it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:18:36):
Damn I'm good.
Just ask me.
I'll tell you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:39):
And and our kids have heard you say that
thousands of times.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:41):
And literally, he goes, Good thing no one's
asking.
And we it was like 10 of us.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:48):
Gotta love teenagers.
Oh my boy.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:51):
Um if you if you make a comment, any comment,
you're automatically entered into win a giveaway.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:57):
Yeah, so if you've been hanging out, not
commenting, just jam it inthere.
Three seconds right here.
Can be whatever you still get achance.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:04):
And and at the end of the video, when the the end
ad is rolling, the outro, I liketo put up just rando comments
from the the from the chat thatI didn't get to.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:15):
Yeah, exactly.
We try to get to get to themall, but so many people have
great comments and greatquestions, and we really
appreciate the comments.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:22):
Any comment.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:24):
Any comment.
There you go.
See, Trev's got the right idea.
Any comments.
People are people are you couldjust write comment.
Comment.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:33):
Rando comment.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:34):
There you go.
Perfect.
You got the idea.
It's a comment for no reason.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:40):
Okay.
Then after all that, one of two.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:44):
I love the enthusiasm though.
You know what?
We all had a good laugh, so whocares?
Here it goes.
We're doing it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:50):
Now listen, I gotta make a disclaimer.
The dogs are going wild outthere.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:54):
I know.
I just heard that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:55):
Um barking at the rain.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:56):
Uh OSA has arrived to retrieve their e-meter.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:59):
If the internet goes out, they're jamming up our
signal, guys.
Um okay.
Yeah, it's really going wild outthere.
Okay, we get two big dogs.
When someone comes, they get toget in.
Oh, yeah.
Um this is a StreamYard giveawaytool.
StreamYard is the platform whichwe use to stream on.
It sends it to YouTube and the Xand the all the different

(01:20:20):
places.
Now, we didn't make this tool.
We just use it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:24):
Yes.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:25):
So if Claire or I win, that's why.
Yeah.
Okay, I just want to make thisdisclaimer because a lot of
times people we know are gettingthese things.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:32):
Yep.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:32):
Okay, here it is.
Oh, oh footy daddy.
I saw funny.
And Denver Steve O was in there,I think, too.
Oh, oh my gosh, it was so close.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:42):
Congratulations.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:44):
Kathy Friand, 5275.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:47):
Congratulations, Kathy.
Send me an email, Claire atblownforgood.com with your
preference of a Mike or LeahRemedy Bobblehead.
Mike Render or Leah RemedyBobblehead.
There we go.
Awesome.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:00):
Good job.
If I don't win, it's rigged.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:04):
There you go.
She was one of the last.
Catherine has won before too.
I've won before.
The one time I was I was out oftown and jumped into the chat to
support you in my absence.
I won.
I was like, oh my goodness.
Anyway.

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:19):
Clara.
I guess it's rigged.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:22):
Japan of Green Gables.
It's rigged, but she's excitedtoo.
Yeah, there we go.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:29):
Okay, awesome, guys.
Um, did we we did it all?
You announced last week'swinner.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:33):
Yep, I did.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:34):
In the after chat or what uh the replay crew or
whatever they call themselves.
Um made it to the end, folks.
Hey, if you guys want us to dovideos about another thing or do
or talk more about somethingthat we've already talked about,
bleep blob it, bleep bloop itdown the ball.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:53):
We do pay attention.
We have a a a working list oftopics we're planning to cover
too coming up.
Uh so that'll be someinteresting things.

SPEAKER_05 (01:22:02):
Yeah, but we want to know what you guys want to know
about.
We try to give enough stuffthat's kind of not people who
know about Scientology.
We try to do it, we try to dumbuh smarten it up, actually.
Yeah.
It's already dumb.
Uh we have to smarten it upenough for people to do that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:18):
We start to remove we try to remove the
convolutions so that, you know,set set aside the logic, but
it's just oh, I get it.
Okay.
That's right.

SPEAKER_05 (01:22:27):
And then we also try to tell things that
Scientologists would want toknow about.
Because really those are thepeople that we're trying to
reach to let them know this isjust giant scam and you
shouldn't be wasting your timeor money.
It's literally the most commonthing we hear from people is I
wish I would have left sooner.

(01:22:48):
Because you're just the time isyou can't the time is your most
valuable commodity that youcan't buy time.
Nope.
So and you can't get it back.
And Scientology is a giant timesuck, but it's also a giant
money suck.
So you definitely could just getmore money, but you can't get
more time.
So every single person thatleaves Scientology to a T always

(01:23:11):
says, I wish I would have leftearlier.
I wish I would have stoppedthis.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:16):
And as we've said, every single person that watches
and gets out, it makes it allworthwhile for us.
And and something we're deeplycommitted to.
And the whole team at theMichael J.
Render Aftermath Foundation isdeeply committed to because
people need to know that theycan get out.
It's never too late.

SPEAKER_05 (01:23:34):
Aaron Powell Exactly.
So there's plenty of people inScientology that don't need our
help.
Right.
They they are alreadywell-to-do, or they they just
walk away.
They can just walk away.
Their family's not involved, orthey their family could be
uninvolved with them right away.
So but the C org members,specifically C org members, that

(01:23:57):
don't their entire family is inthe C organization.
Their entire families inScientology.
Their parents have passed away,or whatever the scenario is, a
large majority of those peoplespecifically don't have the
resources to leave, they don'thave a way to leave, they don't
have anybody they can contact tothat's outside of the

(01:24:20):
Scientology bubble.
So the Michael J.
Rinder Aftermath Foundation ismainly there for them.
And then there's also the caseof the regular Scientologist who
their whole family might be inand because they left the way
they left or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:32):
Yeah.
And the staff members who staffmembers as well.

SPEAKER_05 (01:24:35):
So there's levels of no resources.
Anyone who needs any helpleaving, we are there to help
them, whatever their situation.
A lot of times people just callfor advice on this is my
scenario, um, this is what Iwant to do.
Is there anything about thatthat's gonna cause some
friction?
And then we help them navigatethe easiest way in their

(01:24:57):
scenario to do that so that theydon't lose contact with their
family or they don't losecontact with their children, or
however it is, the people thatthey still do want to be
connected to that might happento be in Scientology, there is a
way to do it without losingcontact with those if you know
exactly how to navigate thatscenario.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:25:18):
So between all of the knowledge of the people on
the board and our volunteers andmaybe even their friends or
family, we're able to find outwhat's the best thing, what's
the best thing that prescriptionfor this person that we could
kind of tell them do it thesesteps, and we think you'll be
okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:35):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (01:25:37):
Yeah.
Yahoo! Okay, guys.
Well, appreciate you guys tuningin.
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If you can subscribe and you canlike, and I think is there still

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That's right.
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And it was it was actually kindof a fun podcast, and it's on a

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Nope.
But it's a big channel onYouTube that's got a lot of
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