Scientology Will Not Change - Secrets of Scientology - Live Q&A #13 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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SPEAKER_00 (00:26):
Hey, hey, hey, welcome to the channel,
everybody.
Welcome to another episode ofBlum for Good, Scientology
Exposed.
I'm joined today by my lovelywife, Claire.

SPEAKER_01 (00:34):
Yay, yay, yay.
Oh, I don't see myself on thescreen, but that's okay.

SPEAKER_00 (00:38):
We got this thing, I'm telling you.
We had some space cooties in thesystem.
Um I hope we're not frozen.
We uh we're frozen.

SPEAKER_01 (00:49):
Oh no.
This is just beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 (00:51):
First day back.
Everything's working great.
Holy moly.
Here, let me see if I can justput you on.

SPEAKER_01 (00:59):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00):
See if you can talk.
No, I have no camera.
That's your camera.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06):
Oh boy.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07):
Wow, this is just gonna be a great stream here.
Can you stay logged in and keepoh no, you can't keep talking if
I Holy moly.
We had all this freaking outbefore we started, guys, and I
thought we fixed it.
We're gonna uh just listen.
You can hear us.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25):
Yep, we're here.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26):
Well now they can't hear us either here.
Let's just see.
We're gonna reboot this switchswitcher.
You guys get to watch this realtime here.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32):
Yep, that's always fun.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34):
Yeah.
Welcome back.
Get in the chat.
Clara and I can't chat.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43):
Mark has withholds, I'm sure of it.
Thanks, Trev.

SPEAKER_00 (01:46):
That sounds exciting.
That sounds always exciting.
Okay, let's see what let's seewhat's doing here.
Gotta love it, man.
Gotta love it.
We we it's a podcast.
Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 (02:02):
Yeah, we're good.
Oh wow, that's super dark.

SPEAKER_00 (02:06):
Okay, good.
That's what it was.
Okay.
So here, you guys get to see usdo this real time then.
Okay.
So we're gonna just adjust thisup here a little bit until I
look deep.
So there we go.

SPEAKER_01 (02:16):
All right.

SPEAKER_00 (02:17):
Okay, let's do the same to Claire.
There you go.
Okay, let's do the same to themain camera.

SPEAKER_01 (02:28):
Thanks, folks, for tuning in this fine Sunday.
We're obviously out of practice.
Mark is back in the house, butwe didn't uh get down here
today.

SPEAKER_02 (02:38):
No, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 (02:41):
Let's not lie to the people.
Let's not lie to the people.
Don't go throwing me under thebus, honey.
I am not gonna have it.
You're already under there.

SPEAKER_00 (02:48):
And I hate to break it to you.
We had a little bit of troublebefore we started, and some
things were unplugged.
And I asked Claire if sheunplugged them.
She said she didn't.
I went and found all the thingsthat were unplugged.
I plugged them back in.
And then I said, Did you evertake that laptop anywhere to do
anything with?
And she said, Yes, I did.
And I said, When you did that,that's when you unplugged

(03:09):
everything.

SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
Oh, Kidafi.

SPEAKER_00 (03:11):
So we're good now.
Let's just see if we can switcharound here.

SPEAKER_01 (03:15):
Yep, we're good.
So now I get to say hello,everybody.
Thank you for joining us thisfine Sunday.
Mark has been a very busy man.

SPEAKER_00 (03:24):
Yeah, you know, I was gone for basically two
weeks.
I was gone for.

SPEAKER_01 (03:31):
Yeah, I mean, you've been bouncing all over the
place.
So we've had a hard time gettingto our regular scheduled
Sundays.
So just not here.
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (03:41):
But um I do want to say that while I was gone, we
got in a bunch of differentmessages from people.

SPEAKER_03 (03:49):
We did.

SPEAKER_00 (03:50):
And um and one of the things that I wanted to
bring up is that we know wemight not have a gazillion views
on this channel, but a lot ofthem are Scientologists that are
quote unquote under the radar.

SPEAKER_03 (04:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (04:05):
And we hear from these people uh at least once or
twice a week, we hear frompeople.
And one of the uh messages thatwe got this week um was from a
family who pretty much thepretty much the whole family was
able to get out.

SPEAKER_03 (04:20):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (04:21):
And they said that they watch the channel and they
you know, they they know thethings that are happening in
their local Church ofScientology.
In almost all cases, they knowthat it's not what Scientology
is saying it is.

SPEAKER_03 (04:36):
Aaron Ross Powell Right.

SPEAKER_00 (04:38):
And they know that the org is empty, the
organization Scientologyfacility there where they are is
either empty or they're draggingpeople in that don't want to
come in and they're trying toget people to buy things that
they've already bought multipletimes.
They don't need another new onethat has semicolons and periods
in the right place or whateverthe new excuses are.

(05:00):
And um they know a lot of that.

SPEAKER_03 (05:03):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (05:04):
But then there's a lot of things they don't know.
They don't know why these peoplegot moved here or these people
disappeared, or and a lot oftimes we answer a lot of those
questions for people.

SPEAKER_01 (05:16):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (05:16):
And fill in the blanks.

SPEAKER_01 (05:19):
Yeah.
And and I will say, too, that umsome of the messages we got
recently made me really pause tothink about it because we've
been talking about Scientology.
I mean, we got out, what, almost21 years ago.

SPEAKER_02 (05:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (05:34):
And this channel is absolutely proof Scientology
will not change.
Because all the things we'retalking about, they're still
doing.
They're still destroyingfamilies, they're still hurting
elderly people, they're stillhurting children, they're still
doing all those things.
Like never once have we hadsomebody reach out to us and

(05:54):
say, Oh, you know what?
You're right, they used to dothat, but guess what?
They're not doing that anymore.
It's never happened.

SPEAKER_00 (06:01):
We did get, we did get a message from somebody
saying, hey, they're not makingum they're not making women um
terminate pregnancies anymore,but they are now having the
males get a procedure so thatthey can't have kids.
And so you're like, that'sthat's almost even worse than

(06:21):
the other one, or equally bad.

SPEAKER_01 (06:23):
Equally bad.
Equally bad, interfering withpeople's personal choices and
not giving them the freedom todo what they want.
But also, so you know, we talkedabout that um the new books that
Scientology released in Marchtargeting children ages seven
and up.
So thank you to the under theradar friend.

(06:45):
We now have a full set of thosebooks, and I'm going to do a
deep dive with Anne GollertHill, um, who was, you know, I
remember I did part one with herlast week of her um experien her
Scientology story.
Part two will come out nextweek.
But she has a linguisticsdegree.

(07:05):
So I thought, what better personto kind of deep dive into the
Scientology books and show whatis so destructive about this to
children?
But to your point, I wasthinking about it too, going, so
during our lawsuit, which was2009 to 2012, is when a lot of

(07:26):
people, a lot of Sea Org membersgot pregnant during that time or
after that, and left.
And those people are now out ofScientology or out of the C
organization, I should say.
And they have children.
And guess what?
Those children are in the exactage range that Scientology is
now targeting.

SPEAKER_00 (07:46):
Yeah.
The the other crazy thing aboutScientology is the C org is made
up of mostly children ofScientologists.
For the large majority.
It's it's four nationals wholived in a country where they
for three hots and a cot seemedlike a great deal to them.
Right.
So they could get to America ona sneaky visa thing that

(08:10):
Scientology's doing.
Um they're hiring these peopleas religious workers.
They're coming over to theUnited States to work in Florida
or California or wherever.
And then they're not doinganything religious related.
They're cleaning hotel rooms orthey're, you know, they're doing
something that has nothing thatwould never ever qualify as a

(08:33):
religious visa.
And um they've got those guys,and then they've got the
children of Scientologists.

SPEAKER_03 (08:40):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (08:41):
And a lot of the children end up being in
management positions becausethey're they haven't done drugs,
they haven't uh been a criminalfor years, they haven't, they
don't have a warrant or haven'thad uh a real education.
Yeah.
They got they left school early.

SPEAKER_01 (09:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (09:01):
Um so yeah, so that is pretty much what the Sea Org
makes up.
So if you could uh talk to theex-Sea Org members or just uh
Scientologists in general thatare on the interwebs, they're
all looking at Scientologystuff.
This is one thing that we'vefound.
They're all looking at stuff.

(09:21):
Whether they're supposed to ornot, they are looking.

SPEAKER_02 (09:24):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (09:25):
Whether or not they're engaging or they're
continually following or they'reusing an account that would
identify them, that is all uh uhup for debate.
But they definitely are watchingand they're definitely looking
around and seeing stuff.
And the ones that are able tobasically say, yeah, this is

(09:47):
that they're not.
I mean, no one's ever come onhere that we've talked to or a
former member who said, Oh yeah,that's totally not what's
happening.
There's that's never happened.
No, it's always, yeah, that iswhat's happening.
And not only that, they're doingthis other thing now that they
didn't used to do that's evenworse.
And you're and you're just like,this is getting crazy.

(10:10):
So it was good to get some ofthose, good to read some of
those feedback.
And we also get we get um on ourpodcast, um, there's a way to
send fan mail.
It's a weird system.
We can read it, but we can'tanswer it.

SPEAKER_01 (10:25):
No, they actually just changed it.

SPEAKER_00 (10:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (10:27):
So now we can respond.
They just changed it after Icomplained like 20 times because
people would send us messages,and to me, it's super
frustrating.

SPEAKER_00 (10:36):
We had no way of answering.

SPEAKER_01 (10:38):
It's like this is so dumb.

SPEAKER_00 (10:40):
Does that mean we can respond to all the ones
we've gotten so far?
Or just new.

SPEAKER_01 (10:44):
I don't know if it's retroactive.
I'll have to take a look atthat.

SPEAKER_00 (10:46):
Either way, we get to we get fan mail on the
podcast if you go to Apple orSpotify or wherever you get
podcasts.

SPEAKER_01 (10:54):
What's it called?
Buzz Sprout?

SPEAKER_00 (10:56):
Yeah, it comes through a platform that we use.
But we can see the fan mailbeing sent in, and according to
Claire, we can now answer.

SPEAKER_01 (11:03):
They finally just like a week ago.
Guess what?
You can now respond.
I'm like, finally, geez.

SPEAKER_00 (11:10):
We also get feedback through um if you go to
blownforgood.com, the merch siteif you where you can get Xenu is
my homeboy sweaters or you know,what's the one?
Xenu and the body thetans.
We still don't have to be ableto do that.

SPEAKER_01 (11:24):
Someone was just commenting about the the artwork
behind you.

SPEAKER_00 (11:28):
We are going to do the 2026 she says that it's
gonna be 2027 by you guys by thetime you guys work up some.
I worked up a ton of merch withhelp from Clara.
I'm pretty sure you guys coulddo something.

SPEAKER_01 (11:43):
Yep, we can.

SPEAKER_00 (11:44):
Anyway, um you can also uh through that platform,
the merch when you can writemessages or whatever.
Um and then we also have the SPshop, which supports every all
the purchases from thespshop.com go to uh the
aftermath supporting the MichaelJ.
Render Aftermath Foundation.
So um bobbleheads.

SPEAKER_01 (12:04):
So yeah, we will today do a damn ity giveaway.

SPEAKER_00 (12:07):
Okay, good.
One of these little guys, one ofour little little pals here.
Look the coaster's stuck to hisbutt.

SPEAKER_01 (12:14):
That's pretty funny.

SPEAKER_00 (12:15):
What happened to you, Davy?
What did you did you make amess?
Did you make a messy?
I make a messy.
Um Yes.
Awesome.
Yeah, I just wanted to say, tellyou guys that, you know, we're
here, we hear you.
When you write in and you makecomments, we do I do go through
the comments quite quite oftenin the videos and kind of answer

(12:38):
questions and like things andstuff like that.
So we we hear you, we see you.
Um The other thing I wasthinking about was they've got
these people that are uh workingwith the current uh
administration in the UnitedStates for the president and all
that stuff.
They've got these people inthere.

(12:58):
And I really think they might begetting played a little way too,
because these people aredonating, these are people that
have donated tens or hundreds ofmillions of dollars to
Scientology.
And now they're donating tocampaign funds and they're doing
all this stuff.
And when that all changes over,that money's gone forever.

(13:21):
They don't get that, they don'tget to keep all that status of
I'm the one who gave you know$10million to this or that or the
other thing.
But in Scientology, they keepwhatever level they they unless
they go seriously to the darkside.
Um that's another thing.
In Scientology, when you look onthe internet about what's being
said about Scientology, withinScientology they say, uh, uh-oh,

(13:47):
he turned to the dark side.
That's literally what they say.

SPEAKER_01 (13:51):
That's what they told me the day you were
escaping.
Oh, he went to the dark side.

SPEAKER_00 (13:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (13:56):
Like, what?
What are you talking about?
He called 911.
Yeah.
So it's a crime.
It is a crime in Scientology tocall 911.
Nothing proves it more than thatto me.
I mean, there's many things thatprove it, but yeah.
You're escaping, and and youdidn't even call 911.

(14:17):
That's the irony.

SPEAKER_00 (14:18):
Yeah, no, somebody driving by did.
Surprise.
Other people don't like it whenyou run people off the road
either.

SPEAKER_01 (14:25):
Oh, whoops.
You mean we're not supposed todo that?

SPEAKER_00 (14:28):
Anyway, these people that are donating all this
money, uh, Scientology it's kindof weird because it doesn't
matter which, if it's theRepublicans or if it's the
Democrats.
It doesn't matter who's inoffice for Scientology to have
their fingers mixed in that piesomewhere.

(14:48):
They got people in both campsthat they rely on, and they'll
donate to both camps.
There's some uh there it seemsto be more Republican slanted in
Scientology of the the members,especially the members that are
donating all this money.
But when we had that uh war isover, the IRS exemption event at

(15:14):
the LA Sports Arena, BillClinton wrote a letter of
congratulations at that event.
Like, hey, well welcome to thewhatever.
Congratulations on getting awaywith it.
And um so they've got it doesn'tmatter.
It doesn't really matter who'sin there.
They've got they've got ways totry to influence that.

(15:35):
For the good for for better orworse.

SPEAKER_01 (15:38):
Um I I like this comment.
L Ron Fuddy Duddy says, wait aminute, who did you say is in
charge of my scam?
I mean cult I mean religion.

SPEAKER_00 (15:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (15:49):
Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (15:50):
That is another point, is that uh LRH was
diabolical and how he kind offigured all this out, how he
could manipulate people andthrough disconnection and
families kind of be able to havea lever on pretty much all the
members.
Um but miscavige, after uh L.
Ron Hubbard died in 1986,Miscavige has kind of tweaked

(16:13):
this thing up uh even a lotmore.

SPEAKER_02 (16:16):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (16:16):
By just adding the donation for nothing component
with these status levels, whichHubbard specifically said not to
do that.

SPEAKER_02 (16:26):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (16:26):
Um by David Miscavige doing that, he really
has made it so he doesn't reallyneed Scientology to do anything.
They can just keep showing, youknow, they passed out way to
happiness books in Africa andthey did this and you know, this
place, and there's everyoneeverywhere loves Scientology.

(16:48):
It's the best thing ever.
No one's ever denied that.
You know, all the propagandavideos that they do, and they're
in that bubble, and they're bigbigwigs, they're whales in
Scientology because they gave abunch of money.
So they're living their bestlife in that bubble, and they
don't really care if they're OTeight or they did all their

(17:10):
training and they can s you knowget rid of space cooties at
will.
You know, none of that reallyeven matters as long as they
give the money.

SPEAKER_01 (17:18):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (17:19):
Okay, did we want to do um some questions?

SPEAKER_01 (17:22):
Yes.
Pop your questions in the chat,folks.

SPEAKER_00 (17:26):
Um, another thing I've I just wanted to say one
last thing.
The other thing that I realizedafter the we get these um people
that write in, the amount ofpeople that read Tony Ortega's
underground bunker isastonishing to me.

SPEAKER_03 (17:43):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (17:44):
Because they can go to any there's there's decades
of content there of all thethings that are going on and all
the families that got broken upand all the families that got
back together, and all the andso the Scientologists are are
reading all of that.
And it is a chronologicalhistory um of all the different

(18:06):
things that have happened inScientology from the earliest
days, because he has theseresearch like uh I think his
name's Chris, who does theselike war um stories of L.
Ron Hubbard and exact recordsand stuff like that.
Yes, but they have people theyhave he's got resources of
people that are looking atthings and going, okay, I have

(18:28):
all these original records ofElron Hubbard.
This is what happened.
These are all the things.
This is when he got arrested.
This is when he he you knowdivorced his second wife that
did never exist.
Uh existed.

SPEAKER_01 (18:41):
And the second wife he didn't have.
Yeah, the second wife he didn'thave because it's totally normal
to go from a first wife to athird wife.
There's an interview.

SPEAKER_00 (18:49):
There's an interview with L.
Ron Hubbard in England, and heis now married to Mary Sue
Hubbard.

SPEAKER_03 (18:56):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (18:56):
And he was previous it is, he did admit that he was
married um early on.
And so then when there was areporter asking him, so what
about your second wife?
And he's like, I've never had asecond wife.
But he has a third wife.
It's the craziest answer ever.
Yeah.

(19:17):
We know he has at least a secondwife because he's married again.
But he says, Oh no, I never hada second wife.
Only a first and a third wife.
Oh my goodness.
Oh, yes.
You get some questions?
What's happening?

SPEAKER_01 (19:28):
Um, speaking of which, oh, never mind.
Oh, yeah, no.
So I did want to mention inSeptember, um, it will be
speaking of Tony Ortega in theunderground bunker, there is the
HowdyCon 2026 event.

SPEAKER_00 (19:42):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (19:43):
And it was completely sold out.
Um, I will be speaking at thatevent, and the proceeds benefit
the Michael J.
Render Aftermath Foundation forthat event.
Um, anyway, they just opened upnew tickets.
Oh, they got it.
So there's a few left.
Yeah.
I just checked.
Um, but yeah, it's gonna be fun.
Catherine will be there, PhilJones, um, Chris Shelton,

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apostate Alex, Jeff Levin.
So it's a lot of people.
Oh, that's another thing.

SPEAKER_00 (20:12):
Jeff Levin's um we have Brothers Broken, yeah.
Yeah, we've got to put a link tothat so people can go and watch
that.
Yes.
Um, it's amazing.
You can see um, it's justanother real example of how
Scientology messes withfamilies, how they messed with a
band, like a musical band.
They had a uh big hit in the 70sand then Scientology wiped them

(20:36):
out.

SPEAKER_03 (20:36):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (20:37):
Um Yeah, go watch that.
We'll put a link in thedescription if it's not there
already.
Um right uh when the video'sover.
We we'll put a link to uh JeffLevin's um Brothers Broken
documentary.

SPEAKER_01 (20:51):
Yep.
Oh, Jacob says, yes, I'm stokedfor HowdyCon.
Yay! Wow, yeah.
That'll be fun.
I know summer is just starting,but we really need to bring back
the iconic BFG Christmas jumperand maybe a new design for this
year.
Clara, get on it.

SPEAKER_00 (21:06):
Wow.
Look at that.
I like that.
Um, come on with this merch.
Let's get some new merch.
That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 (21:16):
Yes, we are uh a little the worse for wear on
scheduling with Mark's travel.
And uh yeah, yesterday we hadour middle sons high school
graduation party.

SPEAKER_00 (21:29):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (21:30):
That was amazing.

SPEAKER_00 (21:31):
That's two humans we've hatched through the uh the
education system.

SPEAKER_01 (21:35):
Yes, I know.
Brilliant.
I love it.
I'm like, holy moly, it feelssurreal.
We have two down, one to go.
Um three salt life.
Claire, I loved your video withAnne Gaulart Hill last week.
Cannot wait till you have herback on.
Yes, thank you so much.
I know it was such a pleasure toum I mean, Ann and I I was

(21:57):
checking going back through.
She goes Got out in 2007 and westarted chatting on Facebook
almost immediately.
And I my first message was toher was like, Oh my god, I can't
believe it's you.
And um, but this was the firsttime we've actually talked.

SPEAKER_02 (22:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (22:14):
And so anyway, yeah, we did part one that we released
last week, and part two will becoming out this coming Sunday
because Mark and I will both begone.
Um, but then after that we'll beback again for to get into our
regularly scheduled programmingfor a uh for a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 (22:30):
I remembered her a l really well when when I was
there because I think when shewas in she was in the marketing
area at the Golden AirProductions.
And um and one one of my at oneof my posts, I was responsible
for overseeing some of the stuffthat they were doing.
And um and I always remember herbeing kind of like an outlier.

(22:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (22:54):
She was a little bit she did I know I told her that
when in our conversation, I waslike, to me, because when she
first got to the base, it was1993.
Yeah.
And at that time I was still asupervisor, meaning uh uh the
Scientology equivalent of ateacher.
Like I would oversee the peoplestudying training and stuff like
that.
And um, so I was her supervisoron her key to life course.

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And from the minute I met her,she stuck uh stood out.
Like she was like technicolor.
That's what I told her.
I was like, Yeah, that's a goodanalogy.
Bright, vivacious person thatdid not fit the mold.

SPEAKER_00 (23:34):
Uh the light in her eyes hadn't gone out yet.

SPEAKER_01 (23:38):
Right.
And David Miscabin's.
You know, she was telling me thestory that um she got approved
to marry her husband, AndrewBradley.

SPEAKER_02 (23:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (23:48):
She was not even in the C organization yet.

SPEAKER_00 (23:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (23:51):
And sh so they got a pr special approval to get
married.

SPEAKER_00 (23:55):
Was he in the Sea Org?
Yes, he was a Sea Org member.

SPEAKER_01 (23:58):
Yeah, sorry, I missed that part.

SPEAKER_00 (23:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (23:59):
But the only way she was allowed to marry him was on
the condition that when she wascalled, she would report to duty
for her Sea Org contract.
And a week later, they showed upto get her to report for duty.
It's like, oh my God.

SPEAKER_00 (24:15):
Yeah, I'm I it's funny though, when you when you
say that is that there arepeople in Los Angeles that
that's what they strive to do isto get to the int base, to get
posted at the int base.
And they're super excited aboutit and they want to go there and
they think it's this paradise.

(24:35):
Right.
And then they get there, andit's uh it's absolutely worse
than wherever they were.

SPEAKER_01 (24:42):
Aaron Powell Right.
And I think uh I've been workingthrough that in real in my book
because you have this conceptlike, oh, it will be much better
there and it will be survivable.
Yeah.
Right?
Like okay, fine.
I'm I'm in this billion-yearcontract now.
Why not make the best, try tomake the best of it?

SPEAKER_00 (25:02):
Yeah, I want to be at the best place if I'm gonna
be here forever.

SPEAKER_01 (25:05):
Right.
But then you don't know where itis before you go there.
You're not allowed to know thelocation, and you've never seen
it before.
You don't have to be able to doit.

SPEAKER_00 (25:13):
Unless you Google on the interweb's golden era
productions or the whole.
It's even just listed as thewhole.

SPEAKER_01 (25:20):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (25:22):
But yeah, you don't have any way to know really,
besides what the kind of the thelore of the oh yeah, I heard
they have this and they havethat, and that's the right
thing.
That's where Tom Cruise goes.
Tom Cruise has been there, andyou know, that's where David
Miscavige lives, and they have aand that's also where he works,

(25:44):
and you know, who knows what therumors are.
And then you get there and it'salmost like, oh my god, what
have I done?
Like I went to the I can't goback, you can you can't go back
down without getting in trouble.
Yeah, it's rough.

(26:04):
Anyway, but it's always it wasall we would see those people
right when they would arrive.
Yeah.
And they were so excited, I'mgonna be able to do this, and we
can do this, and you know, I'vegot all these ideas, and and
then, you know, David Miscavigespots him and he's like, Whoop,
the the light's a little brightin this one's eyes.
We need to dim it down.

(26:25):
Need to crunch them down.
Yeah.
And he is the he's like adementor, you know, he just
sucks the life out ofeverything.

SPEAKER_01 (26:32):
Oh, completely.

SPEAKER_00 (26:33):
He's also the exact opposite of that.
When you get there and you'reall excited and you want to do
this and you want to do that,he's like the polar opposite,
like the negative version ofthat.
Like you guys suck, you can't doanything, you know, just so it's
kind of crazy.
And the and some of the thepeople that we talk to, they

(26:54):
they do credit miscavage withsort of prompting them to leave.

SPEAKER_01 (26:59):
For sure.
A lot of people do.

SPEAKER_00 (27:00):
Yeah, by something he said to one of the family
members, something happened toone of the Sea Org members, the
kids or the parents that were inthe C org.
And there's always someconnection that leads all the
leads back to Ms.
Gavage.

SPEAKER_03 (27:15):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (27:16):
Or they got were trying to sell them books that,
you know, we why do we need awhole set of all of the books?
And why does my wife need a setand I need a set?
You know, things like that theyget pushed down on them because
Miss Gavage is like to see yourmembers, you're not going home
tonight until you sell a set ofbooks.
Like you don't go home until yousell a set of books.

(27:36):
And then that's how they end upcharging dead people accounts,
people that are no longer alive,that had money on account in
Scientology.
Those people were the mostamount of people buying books
when they first come out.

SPEAKER_03 (27:51):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (27:53):
Okay, we got another question, more questions.
Any questions?

SPEAKER_01 (27:56):
Yeah, here we go.
Here's a question from JacobHarkey.
Question I'm curious, sinceyou're talking about your kids'
graduations, what job did eachof you have when you were the
age of each of your kidscurrently?
Congratulations congrats to youboth and your son, by the way.
That's a great question.
It is a great question.

SPEAKER_00 (28:13):
Look at you.

SPEAKER_01 (28:14):
So so yeah, so uh our middle son now is 18.
Um so when you were 18.

SPEAKER_00 (28:21):
When I was eighteen, I was at was making I was the
quality control making cassettesat the imp base.

SPEAKER_03 (28:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (28:29):
I was the person who checked the cassettes when they
after they were manufactured andput in first on a pancake when
they're just on a big giant reelof 30 cassettes all on one reel.
I would check them there, andthen I would check them by
listening to the cassettecompared to the original master
report.

SPEAKER_01 (28:46):
Yeah, you were 18 when I first met you.

SPEAKER_00 (28:48):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (28:49):
Um and then you were 19 and I was seventeen when we
got married.
But yeah, so for f for sure,like talking about our son now
just graduating high school, bythe when he was the age when we
were that age, I was asupervisor in the training
department of Golden EraProductions and had been married

(29:12):
to you for a year.
It's just crazy to think about.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (29:16):
And we had I I, in my case, by the time I was 18, I
had already been working forthree years full-time, a hundred
hours a week.
Yeah from fifth starting at 15,16, 17, all the way up to 18.

SPEAKER_03 (29:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (29:33):
Which is crazy to me when I think about these guys.
You know, I can't even get themto work five days a week, you
know, eight hours a day.

SPEAKER_01 (29:40):
Well, they're they're good kids.

SPEAKER_00 (29:42):
I understand, but I'm saying But they are kids.
But I'm saying I have to turnoff I have to turn off that
part, like, you know, listen,son, I was working three times
this much three years ago.
Take it easy.
Show up for work sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 (29:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (29:59):
Yeah.
No, it that's that was that's agreat question, Jacob.
Thank you for the super chat.
It was very good.

SPEAKER_01 (30:04):
Yes, yes, thank you.
Oh, yeah.
Oh yeah.
And the other, so our youngestson is 13.
And um, so again, in workingthrough my whole timeline, I've
been talking to my my familymembers who were never in
Scientology and hearing theirperspective.

SPEAKER_02 (30:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (30:23):
And one of the things that I'd forgotten about
that I just that they told meabout recently, and they were
like, is this true?
And I'm like, Oh yeah, that'stotally true.
Which is that um when so when Iwas 13, they were my mom and my
stepdad were planning to move tothe US and they were trying to
figure out how to leave mebehind.

SPEAKER_00 (30:41):
And then Oh yeah, leave you with another family.

SPEAKER_01 (30:44):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (30:44):
And then that family they you'd stay in the Sea Org
or stay in Scientology.
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (30:49):
And these guys would just go off to start their new
life in America without theredheaded stepchild, aka me.

SPEAKER_02 (30:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (30:56):
Um, but what I didn't know is that at that
time, my grandmother, my mom'smom, who is the only good person
in my I mean, she I loved her somuch.
Uh she was trying to adopt me atthat time.
And I was like, wait, what?

SPEAKER_00 (31:12):
You could have had a whole different setup.

SPEAKER_01 (31:14):
I know, but you know, I I told I've told my
family, like, yes, it sucks, andthey're going through a lot in
processing, you know, like, oh,we should have rescued you.
I'm like, you know what?
My experiences made me who I amtoday.
And as much as some of it isreally hard and shitty and all

(31:36):
that, um there's not a day thatgoes by right now that I'm not
grateful for the life I have.

SPEAKER_00 (31:41):
So nice.

SPEAKER_01 (31:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (31:43):
I like this.
This is a great comment.
Not really a question.

SPEAKER_01 (31:47):
Mr.
Headley, I'm in the middle ofreading your book.
It's unput downable.
You should sell the story toHollywood.
Thank you for reading.

SPEAKER_00 (31:57):
Why thank you.

SPEAKER_01 (31:57):
I appreciate that.
Unput downable.
I like that word.

SPEAKER_00 (32:01):
I do.
That's a great one.
That's why it stood out.
I was like, somebody's yellingin the comments here.
And I was like, oh, that's good.
They're they're yelling, they'reyelling good stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (32:09):
Yes.
Um, oh, what's for anyone whoprefers audible?
Mark, you recorded the bookyourself, which I think is
awesome.
And I do.
I'm planning to do the same.
Oh, good.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (32:21):
I do do voices in my book as well.
So like when when somebody's inall in certain situations.
What's the matter with Mark?
That's the one what's the matterwith Mark?
When Muriel is a very importantthing.
The port captain's driving, uhfollowing us when the police

(32:42):
are, she just pulls up next tous.
What's the matter with Mark?
That's really that's funny thatI that when they ran Scientology
ran me off the road when I wastrying to escape, and then the
cops showed up to figure outwhat was going on.
Somebody from 911 called.
But they were kind of like, Iwas telling them, I because I
didn't want to cause a lot oftrouble.

(33:02):
I was like, no, no, I'm good.
They I had uh I was trying to goand they wanted me to do
something, they neededsomething, but I gotta go to my
dad in Kansas City.
And then when Muriel pulls up,she goes, What's the matter with
Mark?
They're like, Oh, I see what'sgoing on.
They're trying to get this guyback there.
Yep.
As soon as that happened, theywere like, gigs up.

(33:22):
We know, we know.
Now she just completed.
We were suspicious, she just shelocked it in.

SPEAKER_01 (33:28):
She she put the last jigsaw puzzle piece into place
in his.
For the cops.
Yeah, right.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (33:35):
Anyway, but um, but I think up until then it's just
situations are happening orwhatever, but then I don't
remember if I did I it's funny,I do not remember on the Audible
if I did voices for for otherpeople like that too.
Instead of just saying, justreading the words.
But I know I did a few here andthere.

SPEAKER_03 (33:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (33:56):
And I did have to edit, I cracked myself up too.
So I did have to edit out fitsof of giggles and little laughs
and chuckles throughout therecording.
Yeah.
But some I kind of left in toothat were really funny.

SPEAKER_01 (34:09):
You know, just like a little uh So if when I record
my audiobook, will you be thedirector?
Because you're much better atthat than me, honestly.
You're just kind of naturally uhI know, but you know what?

SPEAKER_00 (34:21):
It's gonna be it's a lot.
I'd recorded I think I recordedabout two or three chapters a
day when I was doing it.
And um it was a lot.
Just for me to do it.

SPEAKER_01 (34:36):
You won't agree to be my director.

SPEAKER_00 (34:38):
I think it's best, uh well, in my case, this is how
I did it, is that I recorded it,and if I didn't like it, then I
would retake it.
So I don't know if somebody elseinterpreting it and also the way
you're delivering it is thewrong way, because you know the

(35:00):
right way, not me.
You know what I'm saying?
That's how I kind of think aboutit.
And then also, there's somethings I'm way more nitpicky.
I'm like super crazy like that.
Like I think you I think thatwould be the that would be the
end of it right there.
You're gonna read that.
You're gonna read a 300 you'regonna read a 300 page book and

(35:24):
I'm gonna critique every singlesentence of it at how you say
it.
I don't know.
That seems like a bridge wedon't want to go across, babe.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (35:34):
You're gonna we're you you don't want me to die on
that hill.

SPEAKER_00 (35:37):
I just no, no, I'm the one that's gonna die on the
hill.
I'm gonna be like, where's theenergy you had yesterday or last
week?

SPEAKER_01 (35:46):
No, but I I would appreciate that though.

SPEAKER_00 (35:48):
Yeah, see, we'll have to figure this out.
We did maybe not figure it outlive on a live stream.
Maybe we could talk about itsomeplace else.
Okay, good idea.

SPEAKER_01 (35:58):
Accepted.

SPEAKER_00 (36:00):
Holy moly.
Um there we go.

SPEAKER_01 (36:03):
Okay.
Amy, my child just graduatedhigh school.
Beyond being incredibly proud,I'm also deeply relieved.
They won't have to experiencethe cult, its pressure, or its
control.
That's a gift I'm grateful fordaily.
Well, yes, Amy, congratulations,absolutely.
And yes, I completely agree.
Like, oh my gosh.
I mean, Mark and I didn't evengo to high school, let alone

(36:26):
graduate.

SPEAKER_00 (36:27):
Well, that's the craziest thing ever, is our
13-year-old, the math and thethings that he was doing last
year were higher than I'd ever,I'd not this was I literally was
like, holy molly, they've gotalien, they're teaching these
kids alien language shit.
I don't know what this means.
But I realized in theScientology school, at least at

(36:48):
the Delphi Academy, where I wentin Los Angeles, it's just
courses.
It's like modules of things thatyou do.

SPEAKER_03 (36:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (36:58):
And they want you to have the bare amount of the
three Rs.
Reading, arithmetic, andwriting.
They want you to have the bareminimum of that.

SPEAKER_01 (37:08):
Yeah.
That's that's the only thingthat's important to them so that
you can then study Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 (37:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (37:14):
That's the reason that's the only reason those
things are important to them.
Trevor Burrus,

SPEAKER_00 (37:16):
Jr.
But they're not doing advancedstuff.
And the advanced stuff they'redoing is almost the very last
two or three forms.
They have form, I guess, onethrough eight.
And form eight is graduating.
And I was on form six when Ileft.
So I still had two giant stuffof all the advanced stuff.

(37:38):
So I however it worked out, uhthat me that meant even though I
was there till I was likefourteen or fifteen.
I know I was in the CRG atfifteen, so probably yeah,
probably fourteen, I didn't dothe stuff a twelve-year-old was
doing these days.

SPEAKER_03 (37:58):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (37:59):
So then I that's when people will always accuse
us of being high schooldropouts.
And we realized one day we ain'teven been up in middle school.
We didn't finish that one.

SPEAKER_01 (38:11):
Hey, hey now, what's your language there?

SPEAKER_00 (38:13):
Let's be specific, okay?
I never did high school.
I'm not a dropout, okay?
I'm a middle school dropout, ifanything.

SPEAKER_01 (38:22):
Um you two met, was it Love at First Sight, Toons
Malloy?

SPEAKER_00 (38:30):
Yeah.
No, not really.
I tried to get Claire.
Um, I tried to hook her up withthe guy that was my the person I
study with each night.
Um, and he was from England.
And he knew her as a kid.

SPEAKER_01 (38:43):
Yeah, I was like, I am marrying somebody from the
cadet organization.
I'm no thank you, sir.
Way too many bad memories.

SPEAKER_00 (38:51):
He was he was not up for it either.
So I was like, eh, I guess I'lltake a crack at it.
See what I see what I can do.

SPEAKER_01 (39:00):
Um What age did they marry?
Us?

SPEAKER_00 (39:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (39:05):
Um I was 17 and you were 19.

SPEAKER_00 (39:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (39:08):
August 1919.

SPEAKER_00 (39:10):
19.
I was just 19.

SPEAKER_01 (39:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (39:13):
Like I'd been at my birthday's in May.
So I had just turned 19 and youhad it was you'd been seventeen
for six months or whatever whenwe got married.

SPEAKER_01 (39:24):
Yeah.
But we got married in Vegas.
Mark's dad, Bernie, drove usthere because we didn't have a
car.

SPEAKER_00 (39:31):
We had to get special approval because in
California, if you're if you getmarried before the age of 18,
then you have to do apsychiatric evaluation and you
have to get your blood tests.
Blood tests.
And Scientology is not cool withany of that.

SPEAKER_01 (39:50):
No.
So for a lot of people for a alot of the teens that got
married at that property or inthe C organization period, would
go to Vegas to get a a marriagecertificate.
Um and there's so many peoplethat Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (40:04):
And because the reason Vegas was so popular is
the courthouse in Vegas is 24hours, if you don't know that.
If anybody out there has neverbeen to Las Vegas, Las Vegas
doesn't have a normal schedulelike everywhere else in the
world.
So you can get married at 4 30in the morning if you want to.

SPEAKER_02 (40:23):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (40:24):
And additionally, there are wedding chapels that
are also open 24 hours.
Yep.
So you can go to the courthouse,pay uh I don't know what it is
debt now.
Let's say 50 bucks, you pay 50bucks for a marriage license,
you get that approved, you signit, your wife signs it, all
that, you fill out all thepaperwork, you jam right down

(40:45):
the strip to a mi a chapel, andyou can get married, and also as
you have to have a witness.
As the witness, it could beElvis Presley, it could be Dolly
Parton, it could be JohnTravolta, it could be whoever
you want to be the witness.
They've got a suit and a wig anda dude that looks like that
person, and he shows up and he'slike, Yeah, cool, baby.

SPEAKER_01 (41:09):
Yeah, Elvis wasn't on duty when we got when when we
did our ceremony.
Well, I remember first of all, Iremember that getting the
license to me was comparable toreturning overdue library books.
That's what it felt like.

SPEAKER_00 (41:21):
Oh, it took five minutes.

SPEAKER_01 (41:22):
Right.
Exactly.
It was like, oh, here's thepaperwork, we're in line.
Yeah.
That was the other thing.
It was like close to midnight.

SPEAKER_00 (41:28):
And there was a line.

SPEAKER_01 (41:29):
It was a line to get to get the go down to the steps
outside.

SPEAKER_00 (41:33):
I r specifically remember like that it was so
long that we were outside and wehad to get inside in the line.

SPEAKER_01 (41:40):
Yeah, and we were like, wait, this is the line for
licenses.
And then so we got the license,and then they're like, okay,
just go to the chapel, you know,whatever, blah, blah, blah.
And then we walked in there, andit was some old dude, balding
dude in like tan shirt and andbrown pants, and he was dozing
off in the back.
And he and we walked in, therewas nobody else there.

(42:03):
It was just you, me, and Bernie.
And then he kind of like got upand he's like, Oh, do you want
the short version or the longversion?
And we kind of both looked ateach other and we're like, we'll
take the short version.

SPEAKER_00 (42:17):
Yeah.
Uh anyway, so because that wasthe system, there there because
it worked that way, because ofit's just basically you just
need to get to Vegas, do yourthing, and get back.

SPEAKER_01 (42:30):
And Oh, look at this.
Amy says, exactly right.
I had to go to Vegas and my momsigned over that I could get
married insane.
Yeah, I don't think my mom hadto sign off because she'd
already Oops, sorry.
Um she had already signed overGuardianship of me.
So I don't remember that I don'tthink she had to sign off on

(42:51):
mine, even though I was 17.

SPEAKER_00 (42:53):
I thought that's one of the things I had to get them
to sign when I went to visitthem was I had that they had to
sign some part of the paperwork.

SPEAKER_01 (43:03):
Oh, okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (43:06):
So I don't remember specifically.
That was a long time ago now, 33years ago, I think is the
number.

SPEAKER_01 (43:12):
Yeah.
Here, let me answer thisquestion too.
Um would you ever considerpursuing a GED as a personal
goal?
I sucked at math as a kid, butwhen I studied for the C Best as
an adult, I weirdly was able tolearn math better as an adult
for some reason.
So I I got my GED two weeksbefore our oldest son graduated

(43:33):
high school, and it was it's asomething I always had as a
personal goal.
Yeah.
Because I was working, eventhough I was never put back in
school after we moved to the US,I always had that goal to get a
GED and finally got it.
So and shout out to our neighborwho's a math teacher.

(43:53):
He spent an hour and a half withme to help me prepare for the
math portion because there was alot of math.
That I'm, you know, I I alwaysenjoyed math and I'm a
bookkeeper.
I love numbers and all that.
But still, there was high schoolmath that I just had never
learned.
So one Sunday he came over foran hour and a half and kind of

(44:14):
helped me work througheverything.
And I was like, sweet.
And he was like, yeah, we wecovered like a year and a half
of math just now.
I'm like, wait, what?
Two years.

SPEAKER_00 (44:25):
I think.

SPEAKER_01 (44:26):
In an hour and a half.
So yeah, it was awesome.

SPEAKER_00 (44:29):
I think that I wanted to get a GED for like the
first two months that we afterwe'd left the Sea Org.

SPEAKER_03 (44:37):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (44:38):
Because every good paying job that I wanted to get,
you had to have a high schooldiploma or you had to have a
degree.
And I was just like, oh, this isgoing to be so rough.
But then I started fixingpeople's computers and I was
making fifty bucks an hour andit was like, oh, I don't need a
DPS.
Yeah.
And and you're a technicalknowledge and well, because I

(44:58):
had worked with audiovisualequipment and computers and all
that stuff for basically fifteenyears straight.

SPEAKER_01 (45:06):
So I was So if it would do anything for you for
your job, you would do it.

SPEAKER_00 (45:11):
But there's really no Not anymore.

SPEAKER_01 (45:15):
Yeah.
Your investment of time isimportant.

SPEAKER_00 (45:20):
I'm glad that one of us had a got a diploma.
Okay?
So between between the two ofus, we share a brain.

SPEAKER_01 (45:29):
We actually do have the perfect partnership in in
terms of balance of um businessfrom a business standpoint, like
you know uh accounting.
I I handle all the accountinglogistics and everything else,
and you handle all the technicalit's kind of it's Yeah, that's
true.

SPEAKER_00 (45:47):
That's a good setup.

SPEAKER_01 (45:48):
Yeah, it's fortunate how that all worked out.

SPEAKER_00 (45:52):
Yeah, it is fortunate for me mostly.

SPEAKER_01 (45:55):
And for me.

SPEAKER_00 (45:57):
Okay, what else?

SPEAKER_01 (45:59):
Alrighty, let's see here.
Um I'll put this one up becausequestion.
Do you support your kiddos goingto trade school rather than
college?
So we have um, yes, absolutely.
I mean, we've told our kids,hey, if you want to go to
college, we're good with that.
Um, but our kids are verytechnically oriented, yeah, like

(46:22):
you.

SPEAKER_02 (46:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (46:22):
Um and so yes, they'll likely do some trade
school, but like they've alreadyworked on they their work
experience and resumes at thispoint with the projects.
They've I mean, like our oldestson has already installed
exhibits at the Smithsonian, forexample.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (46:41):
We're we're pretty they they're the trade school
that they got was from me, butthen I also have them doing uh
manufacturer training and uh wedo an automation program
extracting.

SPEAKER_01 (46:54):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (46:54):
They know they know a lot more than somebody that's
coming out of any one tradeschool on the phone.

SPEAKER_01 (47:00):
Yeah.
And we absolutely wanted andhave insisted upon our kids
having all of the opportunitieswe never had.
Um so we years ago set up acollege account for each of
them.
Um luckily these days that canbe used for trade school, and
also it just recently switched,at least for Colorado.

(47:22):
So if your kids don't use it, itcan roll over into a retirement
account.

SPEAKER_00 (47:26):
So awesome.

SPEAKER_01 (47:28):
Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_00 (47:29):
Okay, I think we should do uh read some comments
and then we'll do a giveaway.

SPEAKER_01 (47:33):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (47:34):
Or do we do the giveaway, then read the the
comments?

SPEAKER_01 (47:38):
Whatever you prefer, honey.
I'm good.
I'm just tired.

SPEAKER_00 (47:41):
Uh let's do the giveaway.
Okay.
Okay.
We've only got 62 in entries.
So this YouTube uh thing setsays there's a hundred and fifty
people in here right now thatare live.

SPEAKER_02 (47:54):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (47:54):
And um, so that means a a little over half of
you, a little under half of you,have made a comment.
Anyone who makes a comment getsentered in to win the giveaway.
My phone is like turning liketurning into a heater here.
Going bonkers.
Um so you can just say hi fromwhere you're from.

(48:16):
You can say uh uh thanks.
You can do whatever you want inthe comments.
Well, to an extent.
Don't get Clara and Catherineall riled up.
They'll they'll jam a wrench inthere.
Um but um it's going up.
It's almost 70.
I was waiting to do it until wehad a bit more people.
Let's do this.

(48:36):
We'll read some more comments.
Okay.
And then when I see that thing alittle higher, then um we'll do
this.
So let's do a lot of things.

SPEAKER_01 (48:43):
Somebody just said we're frozen again.
Are we?

SPEAKER_00 (48:45):
What?

SPEAKER_01 (48:46):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (48:47):
Are we?
We it looks good on our end.

SPEAKER_01 (48:49):
Okay.
Hi from England.
Hello, thanks for joining us.
Hi from Sunland, California.
Hey Angel Cat, good to see you.
Jack Shaw, greetings fromHenderson, Nevada, lesson 108
today.
88 in the Willamette Valley andclimbing.
There you go.
Oh my gosh.
Hi, all.
Happy Sunday, Clara.
Thank you.
Hi from Lisbon, nice.

(49:11):
Hello from Moorhead, Minnesota.
Hi, Sherry.
Hello from Momoravia,California.
Jacob in the house.
Um, howdy from Wyoming.
Hi, Tracy.
Good evening from Athens,Greece.
Wow.
That's amazing.
Sweet.
Greetings from Target 2.
I think you should include thetemperature there.

(49:33):
Oh, on Fuddy Duddy.
Otherwise, we have no way toverify you actually who you say
you are.

SPEAKER_00 (49:38):
That's true.
It's minus 300 Celsius here.
Not the best pick as Target 2.

SPEAKER_01 (49:45):
I don't know.
I I have Target 2 on my umweather app, and that's not what
it says.
Um, hi from Lisbon.
Nice.
Uh hi from British Columbia.
Hi, Valerie.

SPEAKER_00 (49:56):
Oh, here's another one.
Um, oh let's just start thatone.
Here we go.

SPEAKER_01 (50:01):
Okay.
Good evening from South Africa.
Amazing.
Thanks for being here.
So, did you get the planetcleared while I've been gone?
Oh, on Fuddy Duddy.
I know, right?
Afraid we threw through in thetowel.
Hello from Denmark, ChubbyNinja.
Uh Ter Terrae.

(50:21):
Um, it makes me smile seeingMike Grinder's face over
Claire's shoulder.
Oh yeah, let's see here.
Yeah, there we go.

SPEAKER_00 (50:27):
On the other side.

SPEAKER_01 (50:28):
Oh, other side.
Oh, yeah, right.
On on the other from the otherview.
Hi from hot South Carolina.
Oh yeah, I can't even imagine.
Um, Anita, hi from theNetherlands.
Awesome.
Hi from Washington State.
Nice.
Okay.
Uh, can you guys ask Scientologyto create a hate website for me?
Trevanon.

(50:49):
Trevanon did a really greatinterview with on Mormon
stories.
Oh, nice.
Yeah, I I was in the chat forthat.
It was great.
Well, I'll add the link foranyone interested in hearing
Trev's story.
It was fascinating.
Question How was Serge'sbirthday celebration?
Oh, yes, amazing.
Thank you so much for bringingthat up.

SPEAKER_00 (51:09):
That's right.
That is one of the things wewere going to talk about.

SPEAKER_01 (51:12):
Yes, for sure.
So we put up a GoFundMe.
Um Serge's 50th birthday was onJune 5th.
And um his dream and his likeDr.

SPEAKER_00 (51:25):
Amusement Park.

SPEAKER_01 (51:27):
He wanted to do two days at Disneyland and stay
overnight.
Um so with the help of RachelHastings, who was in the Sea Org
for many years, and uh Rachel'swife, Michelle Adair, who was
was never in Scientology but isa board member for the Michael
J.
Render Aftermath Foundation.
The three of us um talked aboutit on a live last week, I

(51:50):
thought, or the week before, Ican't remember.
Um, and we put up a GoFundMe andwe got amazing support.
Um, so with that, we the triphappened on June 10th and the
11th.
So Serge got to spend two fulldays at Disneyland.
He called me the day he gotback, and he was just super

(52:10):
excited that he got to have thatexperience.
We got some great photos.
We had um an anonymous supporterum provided half of the tickets
for free and a 20% discount onthe other half.
Another person that watched ourthe live that Michelle Rachel
and I did uh turned out theyworked for Disneyland.

(52:32):
So they sent us a whole ton ofum just like food vouchers and a
hat for search and all kinds ofstuff.
So anyway, we will we will do aa a full share, but we got all
kinds of photos and footage, andhe just had a blast.

SPEAKER_00 (52:49):
Nice.
Yeah, it seemed like from thepictures I saw it, it seemed
like uh he had a pretty goodtime.

SPEAKER_01 (52:53):
Yes, yes, he very definitely did.

SPEAKER_00 (52:56):
Very cool.
Okay, oh Trevor, uh Trevenonsays search Mormon Stories 2155.

SPEAKER_01 (53:01):
Nice, thank you, Trev.
Uh hi from Auckland, NewZealand.
Nice, hi Anna.
Uh Trevanon, awesome.
I will absolutely check out yourMormon Stories podcast.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (53:14):
Nice.

SPEAKER_01 (53:17):
Uh Trevanon, enjoy enjoy.
How wonderful for Serge.
Happy belated birthday.
Yes, absolutely.
And and again, I'm just sograteful to everyone who donated
to support the GoFundMe.
Um, and yeah, it was Serge's50th birthday wish come true.

(53:37):
So it was awesome.

SPEAKER_02 (53:38):
Nice.

SPEAKER_01 (53:39):
Yep.
Uh Mark, did you see the kidsplaying Depeche Mode on
xylophones and music class?
I think it was in Venezuela.

SPEAKER_00 (53:47):
I've seen so many videos of there's actually a
group.
I can't remember their nameright now.
Um but it's a it was two kidsand his father and their father.

SPEAKER_01 (53:58):
Wasn't it a a girl and a boy?

SPEAKER_00 (54:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (54:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:01):
A girl and a boy and their father, and they would do
covers with like uh, you know,non-standard instruments,
scissors and water bottles, andbut they did really good things.
Uh covers of depeche mode songsthat were really popular.
And the dad was can't had likeall these cameras and he he was

(54:22):
he was some sort of AV geek theway they he set this all up.
But um they actually ended upbeing in a Depeche Mode movie.

SPEAKER_03 (54:29):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (54:30):
Which was kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (54:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:32):
And um yes, I've seen that.
I've seen the one you're talkingabout separate.
It's just a whole class that areplaying.
I think I want to say they'replaying Enjoy the Silence or
something like that.
I can't remember what they wereplaying.
But uh they're they're allplaying it on xylophones.
Oh nice.
You know, like 20 kids all atthe same time.
That's pretty fun.
Um okay.
Oh, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 (54:54):
Uh Miss Marcabian missions.
Missions can recruit for the SeaOrg, but it's not super common
from Catherine.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (55:02):
Yeah.
It used to be really there.
Used to be recruitment missionsfull-time.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (55:07):
Going.
The one that Anne was recruitedfor was for writers
specifically.

SPEAKER_00 (55:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (55:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (55:14):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (55:15):
Hello from Perth, Western Australia.
Voice down under.
Hello, hello.

SPEAKER_00 (55:20):
Nice.

SPEAKER_01 (55:21):
Greetings from Santa Monica.
Nice.
We used to hang out there allthe time.

SPEAKER_00 (55:25):
We sure did.

SPEAKER_01 (55:27):
Hello from rainy Austin, Texas.
Nice.
I think we're supposed to getsome rain this afternoon, if I'm
not mistaken.
I hope so.
Hello from Mississippi.
Hi, Jennifer.

SPEAKER_00 (55:37):
Hey, shout out to Mississippi.
I hang out in Cleveland a lot.
Cleveland, Mississippi.

SPEAKER_01 (55:43):
If you haven't heard of it, we hadn't either.
But now we've now we have.

SPEAKER_00 (55:47):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (55:48):
Hello from Lakewood, Colorado.
Nice.
Just up the street from us.
Great Britain in the house.
Hi, Neil.
Nice.

SPEAKER_00 (55:56):
Oh, here's a good one.

SPEAKER_01 (55:57):
Question.
Favorite vacation spot you'vevisited since leaving.
Hmm.
What's your answer to that?

SPEAKER_00 (56:04):
I think there's a there's a little uh town in the
south of France called Le Roc.

SPEAKER_01 (56:14):
Gajac.

SPEAKER_00 (56:14):
Gajac.
Le Rocajac.
Um and we've been there, we'veonly been there once, right?
But we stayed in a Airbnb thatwas basically on one of the
cliffs of either side of theriver.
There's just two cliffs there,or two hill steep mountainsides.

SPEAKER_01 (56:33):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (56:34):
And um and we stayed there for like four or five
days.

SPEAKER_01 (56:39):
Yeah.
And it was right on the river,the Dordonia River, right?
Um in August.
It was hotter than heck there.
But because we were right on theriver and like we would we would
just walk down with the kids togo swimming in the river.

SPEAKER_00 (56:55):
Yeah, we would just go and go.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (56:57):
So many amazing memories.
Our kids loved that trip too.

SPEAKER_00 (57:00):
But the other thing about this one place is it's not
where American tourists go.

SPEAKER_03 (57:04):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (57:05):
So it's actually really where French vacationers
go to this area.

SPEAKER_03 (57:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (57:11):
And um so when we were in the town, we were kind
of like the one set of Americansthat were there.
Yep.
And the people were actuallypretty chill towards us.
They were not we had there was Iwe did see every once in a while
another English speaking family.

SPEAKER_01 (57:28):
Yeah, meaning from England, not from America.

SPEAKER_00 (57:32):
We would hear them.
But they weren't big fans of theuh of the English uh families.
We c we definitely like reallynoticed that.
Like it was kind of like, whoa.
And then you go to and then wewent to all these castles and
they're like, and then in uh1802, this person was beheaded,
and uh and then the the theFrench took over.

(57:55):
And then like two years later,the entire family was hung, and
then the English took over.
And you're like, you no wonderthese guys aren't aren't so
friendly with each other.
They've been literally doingthis for hundreds of years.

SPEAKER_01 (58:07):
Yeah, that was the only vacation we've ever taken
where like it was so obviousthat anytime we talked, like
people would be turning aroundgoing, Whoa who are these
people, you know.
Um I don't know.
That that part was a littleunusual for me, but it was such
a great little town, so muchhistory.

(58:29):
Um and my favorite day was theday that so we hired this
English-speaking couple who whojust took our our group of six,
seven, it was seven of us, ourfamily and another family.
Um and they just took us aroundto all these amazing um
historical sites, incl includingFont de Gomes, which is like

(58:50):
these ice age paintings in thesecaves way under like from like
15,000 years ago or something.
And they only they uh this wasbefore COVID, and they would
only let in like 60 people a dayto go visit those.
So having those experiences werejust really, really.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (59:08):
And of course we did go to you know, we didn't just
go to Le Roc Gajac.
We went to um we went to Paris.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (59:18):
Love Food Kitchen wants to note that it's in the
middle of France, not the southof France.

SPEAKER_00 (59:24):
It was south from where we were.

SPEAKER_01 (59:26):
It was south of Paris, okay?
Was it?
Well, south and then inland.
It it is like literally if uh ifyou're looking at a map and you
point, it's it is dead in thecenter of France.
Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (59:38):
I thought we went down to it.
So I think it was in the south.

SPEAKER_01 (59:41):
We did.

SPEAKER_00 (59:42):
Um where did we stay?

SPEAKER_01 (59:43):
We went to We flew into Paris.
Yeah.
Then we took the super fasttrain to Bordeaux.
That's right.
And then from Bordeaux, werented a car and drove inland
two, three hours.
It was like really a lot oftravel, very stressful
logistics, because like, youknow, getting from the air the
airport to the train and liketiming all of that, and then um

(01:00:07):
and and getting back the otherway.
Remember, you were like, if ourfriends don't show up by this
time, then I'm leaving withoutyou.
And I was like, wait, what?
What?
And then I then you were like,give me the passport.
The kids started to get wettheir eyes welled up with tears.
They were like, Wait, mom.
I'm like, I'm like, don't worry,boys, I've got this, I'll make

(01:00:28):
it happen.
And I was like, flagging downour friends, like, get your
butts over here now, we gottago.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:34):
Yes.
Um awesome.
Yeah, that I think that I likethat one.
I think that one is my favorite.
I also really like so manyplaces, it's hard to choose.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:44):
I think one of my favorites too was uh visiting
Santa Rosa Beach and the Destinarea of Florida.
That um was really nice.
The the kids enjoyed it, andit's nice being close to the
beach, though the beaches therewere beautiful.
It was like very, very nice.
Anyway.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:03):
We're gonna do the giveaway.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:04):
Doing it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:05):
It the time has come.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:06):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:07):
Okay, here we go, guys.
Remember, this is a a productthat's made by the streaming
platform that we use.
We have no say on how this worksor who it picks.
Yeah.
It does all the work.
We have no influence over it.
It's really just who commented.
It just picks up.
I like Trevanani.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:27):
Pat Green.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:28):
Pat Green, F3G4V.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:32):
Send me an email, Claire at blownforgood.com, and
send me your address, and damnit, Davey will be on his way to
you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:42):
Yes.
Awesome.
Okay, let's see if I can getback to the there we go.
There we go.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:46):
All right, we're going to go.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:48):
I figure we can answer a few more questions and
then uh we'll get on again.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:51):
We will skedaddle.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:52):
I can't really see if anybody's starring anything
new, so it's just like, thereyou go.
Well done, Pat.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:58):
Yes, well done, Pat.
Congratulations.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:02):
Okay.
He's saying that because it'srigged against me.
It's not.
It's not.
Okay, let's see what else we gothere.
Uh I saw a few more people uhsaying where they were coming
from, but now those are allgone.

(01:02:22):
They're too many recently.
Um they're chatting with eachother.
Oh, we got a super chat from uhSusan Trigg.
Thank you.
Oh, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:32):
Appreciate it.
Um thank you to everybody tuningin this fine Sunday.
We figured Mark just got back,so before he has to head out
again, we would get him in here.
I thought David Beckham was nota Scientologist.
Tom Cruise was front and centerwhen he received his star on the
Walk of Fame on June twelfth.
What are your thoughts?

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:52):
I think that he is not a Scientologist, but Tom
Cruise would definitely stillwant him to be.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:58):
Exactly.
He's still uh trying tomanipulate that relationship to
make that happen.
But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:05):
A lot of the a lot of how do I say this?
There's a lot of people that arethat work with Tom Cruise or
they're in a movie with TomCruise or some sort of business
relationship.
It's beneficial to them to nottalk shit about Tom Cruise.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:25):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:26):
Because they're gonna make money, they're gonna
get paid, they're gonna be in amovie with him, they're gonna do
this.
So you're n I I don't thinkyou're ever gonna really hear
those guys publicly say this isa bunch of bullshit.
But I happen to know a guy who'sworked on Tom Cruise's movies, a
very good friend of mine.
And he has told me that whenthey're shooting one of those

(01:03:47):
movies with Tom Cruise and heleaves, they talk shit about
him.
And they joke about him.
And when he's not there, theythey're like, Oh, where's you
know, da da da and when heshowed up to this one
production, um it was uh God, Iwant to say what the movie was,
Edge of Tomorrow.
When he showed up when they wereshooting there, um it was uh I

(01:04:12):
don't think it was uh this ispre-COVID.
But the crew had a trailer withbathrooms in it.
Like it there's not bathroomsbuilt into the studio
necessarily.
They have a trailer outside thathas porta potties on it or
whatever.
And uh they had one of thosethat had one or two bathrooms

(01:04:33):
for men and women.
When Tom Cruise showed up, anentire semi showed up and that
was just the bathroom for TomCruise.
It was a semi, and it was justhis bathroom.
And the c the cast and crew arelike, what the fuck, dude?
Like it's kind of crazy that youhave a semi that's bigger than

(01:04:55):
everybody else's bathrooms puttogether.
But that's sort of like thething that's going on when he's
there.
He's a big shot, he's TomCruise, he's Mr.
Risky Business, and they're not.
So um but I do find it funnythat they kind of poke fun at
him when he's not when he's notthere.
But when they're in the thedoing the media uh parade and

(01:05:20):
doing interviews, and oh Tom'swonderful and Tom's this and
Tom's.
Sure, yeah, he is.
He does all that too.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:27):
But he's best friends with the buddy, his best
friend in the entire world is acrazy dictator of a dangerous
cult that he's also part of.
Yep.
So that's just craziness.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:39):
It is.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:40):
And they want to get rid of everybody's space
cooties.
And Tom Cruise's, if you look atall the movies he's been doing,
he's just he's just cosplayinghow Scientology is gonna get rid
of aliens.
That's what I keep tellingeverybody.
You watch, he ain't gonna stopcoming out with science fiction
movies.
It's gonna be a new one coming.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:56):
He's brainstorming new ways to get rid of BTs.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:59):
Not only are they trying to get rid of space
cooties, he's also trying tofigure out how to get to space
where the space cooties arecoming from.
They're gonna nip the problem atthe butt at the source, I think
is what they're trying to do.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:11):
Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:11):
Um, okay, folks, I think we did it.
We did it, we did it, we did it,we really, really did it.
Um we are gonna, Claire's gotanother um video coming out, the
part two with um Ann and um andshe's got other stuff lined up.
Um it's gonna be a little spottywith me at least, um, just
because uh this is a busy time.

(01:06:33):
A lot of the places that we workon are this is when they get
built, this is when um there'snot students at them because
they're out of school and sothat things can get worked on.
So yeah, that's what that is.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:47):
Yeah, so thank you for the patience of uh our
audience.
Uh we'll we'll fill in the holesas best as we can, and we'll
keep keep on keeping on.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:58):
Awesome.
Okay.
Please don't like you betterperfect.
Okay, I'm not sure what thatmeans.
Um anyway, thanks guys.

unknown (01:07:08):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:08):
We're out of here.
Bye-bye.

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