Scientology’s New Child Pipeline - Secrets of Scientology #8 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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SPEAKER_03 (00:26):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofBlown for Good Scientology
Exposed.
I am joined here today by mylovely wife, Claire.

SPEAKER_00 (00:35):
Hey, hey, hey, everybody.
Happy Sunday.

SPEAKER_03 (00:39):
Yeah, we got um we got some big stuff coming up on
um workwise.
So I think probably next week'svideo will be the last live that
we do with when with with me.
Yes.
If you do any other ones.

SPEAKER_00 (00:54):
Yes, but that will so April will be the month that
we launch my new Cult Survivorseries.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02):
Yes, that's right.
Yes.
April 7th, I think.
The first Sunday of April, Ithink.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09):
Yeah, we'll double check.
We'll post it.
So awesome.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13):
Well, today we have um Tony Ortega and um Chris
Shelton uh did a video on this.
Um or cr uh Chris did a video onTony's blog, Tony Ortega's blog.
But um one of these umScientology organizations of
Florida, the the uh Clearwater,the Flag Land Base, put out this

(01:35):
uh brochure, I guess you callit.
Or it's all for all ofScientology.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40):
Yeah, it's for all of Scientology, and it was
announced apparently at the L.
Ron Hubbard birthday event.

SPEAKER_04 (01:46):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:47):
Um there yeah, it was information provided by
apostate Alex to Tony.
Um and obviously anyway, yeah,we we I I feel very strongly
about this topic.

SPEAKER_03 (01:58):
So that's what we're gonna talk about today.
Um do we want to get just getright into it?
Because it's a lot.

SPEAKER_00 (02:04):
Yes, sure thing.

SPEAKER_03 (02:06):
Skadoche.

SPEAKER_00 (02:07):
So Scientology's latest target children.
So yes, it um as was posted onTony's blog, there was a whole
new set of courses and materialsspecifically targeting children.
And there's two sets.
One is for ages five to seven,and then the cartoony ones,

(02:29):
yeah.
And then seven to whatever itis, I think fifteen or something
like that.
Um, anyway, uh yeah, so beforewe talk about it, we figured it
would be just worthwhile to setthe stage of L.
Ron Hubbard's perspective onchildren.

SPEAKER_03 (02:46):
Perfect.
Yeah, that's a good setup.

SPEAKER_00 (02:48):
Right.
Because, you know, hey, ifyou're talking about, well,
you're you're targetingchildren.
So if you're targeting children,what's your perspective on
children?
And here it is.
So this is an L.
Ron Hubbard quote from the Stateof Man lecture on marriage from
January 2nd, 1960.
He said, quote, now whenchildren have too many overts

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and withholds against theirparents, they make life
miserable for their parents.
We don't care if the childrenleft the family or not.
Actually, Roman children used toget official posts and jobs and
get married by the time theywere 14 or 15, which is about
the right time.
You think I'm joking?

(03:32):
I'm not.
And I'm not saying that collegeis a totally bad operation.
I didn't say that.
I just think so.
That's an opinion.
But it does seem that it puts anawful postponement on marriage.
I mean, what the actual heck?
We're now the Romans are now howwe should base raising our
children.

(03:53):
Do we not know that they failedas a civilization?

SPEAKER_03 (03:56):
Well, the funny thing about that is is that like
the pro most likely the averagelifespan of a Roman was 20.

SPEAKER_01 (04:05):
Yeah.
There you go.

SPEAKER_03 (04:06):
So it's probably between 20 and 30 years.
Right.
And so if you have the kids uhstarting when they're 20, then
you're not gonna get that muchout of them in the in the
military or whatever.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (04:19):
And you're not gonna get any any um offspring
reproductive reproductiveactivity anyway.

SPEAKER_03 (04:26):
Somebody should look that up.

SPEAKER_00 (04:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (04:28):
What's the life expectancy of a Roman in the
Roman times?
Um And also, uh was he did heread about this or is he saying
this is how it was?
What because I, you know, Itraveled back in time and was
there.

SPEAKER_00 (04:45):
Probably the latter, because L.
Ron Hubbard also insists thatnewborn babies should be fed
barley formula that is alsobased on a formula that was
allegedly given to Romansoldiers.

SPEAKER_03 (05:01):
Another, which another I'd like to make a point
on that.
Very possibly uh one of the fewthings that they had that they
could just boil in some waterand eat.
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (05:15):
Exactly.
Yeah.
And allegedly, L.
Ron Hubbard, who is not adoctor, he's not a scientist,
nor is he a pediatrician, nor ishe uh an opinion leader or well
educated on the subject ofnewborn babies.

SPEAKER_03 (05:30):
He is also maybe one of the top ten uh horrible dads.
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (05:37):
Yeah, exactly.
Didn't he like leave his kid ina car?
Oh, there's so many things.
He kidnapped his child.

SPEAKER_03 (05:43):
He but he kidnapped her after he left her in a car
while he did a lecture.

SPEAKER_00 (05:48):
Yeah.
I'm just saying, you know, youwant to you want to consider a
topic, then look at the authorof said topic, especially if
they're presenting as anauthority.
Yeah, here's another good one.
Okay.
So this is from Child Dianetics,Dianetic Processing for
Children, which is counseling.
Uh anyway, he says, quote, thechild doesn't strike back

(06:11):
because he isn't big enough.
He gets your floor muddy,interrupts your nap, destroys
the piece of the home instead.
This quote unquote revenge isstandard child behavior.
If the child can't get the pointin a calm talk about it, you'll
simply have to get an auditor toprocess him a little, meaning do

(06:32):
Scientology counseling with him.
You can actually punish a childphysically.
This is L.
Ryan Hubbard talking to defendyour rights so long as he owns
what he owns and can contributeto you and work for you.
Again, this is addressedaddressed to a parent about your

(06:53):
child.

SPEAKER_03 (06:53):
If your kid has some stuff, you can beat him.

SPEAKER_00 (06:56):
Yeah, so long as he works for you, then you can do
whatever you want and you candefend your rights.

SPEAKER_03 (07:03):
Yeah, if he can contribute, then you can beat
him.
That's that's that's the that'sthe that's the determining
factor for beating.

SPEAKER_00 (07:11):
Okay, and so here's the sad part, because this
mirrors to me how I was raised.
Like if you're not contributingand you know, it being in
exchange as as it's referred toin Scientology, in your family,
then you are punished.

SPEAKER_03 (07:29):
I never knew that this was in that book.

SPEAKER_00 (07:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (07:32):
This is why my mom beat the crap out of me full
time.
It literally says you can punisha child physically.

SPEAKER_00 (07:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (07:41):
Wow.

SPEAKER_00 (07:42):
Yeah.
Um, and then this quote is umfrom Dianetics, the modern
science of mental health.

SPEAKER_02 (07:51):
Published in 1950.

SPEAKER_00 (07:53):
This is Elrond Hubbard's.

SPEAKER_02 (07:55):
Very modern, very modern.

SPEAKER_00 (07:56):
Yeah, this is one of the worst.
I mean, there are someunderstand, we're not including
all of them.
There are endless quotes thatare damning about Hubbard's
perspective on children.
These are just some to again setthe stage of what we're talking
about here.

SPEAKER_03 (08:12):
And they're in things that they can't easily
make disappear.
Yes.
Because they've been doing withthe lectures, they've been doing
this for years and years andyears.
They edit out anything thatcould be a little sketch.

SPEAKER_01 (08:24):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (08:25):
Uh uh slurs that he used.

SPEAKER_01 (08:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (08:28):
Um, if he talks about insanity, um, things that
are like wildly not cool now.

SPEAKER_01 (08:36):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (08:37):
They're edit they've been editing that stuff out of
Elrond Hubbard's lectures sincehe's been giving them.

SPEAKER_00 (08:42):
Yes.
So this quote is from again fromDianetics, book one, as it's
referred to.
Quote The seven-year-old girlwho shudders because a man
kisses her is not computing.
She is reacting to an engramsince at seven she should see
nothing wrong in a kiss, noteven a passionate one.

(09:04):
From a man.
There must have been an earlierexperience, possibly prenatal,
which made men or kissing verybad.

SPEAKER_03 (09:13):
I mean that that that when it says prenatal, that
means when the the thetan or thebody or the the mind of the kid
was in the womb, and then therewas some sort of thing happening
in the in the the world outsidethe mom, and and somehow also

(09:35):
she might have got hit orsomething, and then that created
what's called an engram.
And that's what you get rid ofat Dianetics.
So that's why he's he's talkingabout it like this is that he's
ex he's really trying to explainsomething else about the
prenatal engrams, and then hejust says this off the cuff.

SPEAKER_00 (09:55):
Yeah, which um and again, anyway, it says it it
speaks for itself.

SPEAKER_02 (10:00):
I think it's a good setup.

SPEAKER_00 (10:02):
Yeah.
So on March 16th, a reel wasposted on Instagram unveiling a
new set of Scientology bookstargeting children.
Quote, it was a realization thatwhen knowledge is applied, life
expands, all this knowledge isbecoming available for kids,
unquote, the caption reads.
Tony Ortega was the first toshed light on this on his sub

(10:22):
stack.
And yes, we're adding the link,the links that we'll be
discussing here today to thevideo description.

SPEAKER_03 (10:28):
Yeah.
And also, these books, they'renot new books.
No, they are the same books,like if you go on the their
website and you do likeintroductory courses, there's
uh, you know, how uh personalvalues and integrity.
Personal values and integrity.
I think I'm in that.
That's the one I'm in.

SPEAKER_00 (10:47):
You were in an earlier version of this.

SPEAKER_03 (10:49):
Anyway, um they have all these little courses.
They're very, very light uhScientology and they've been
what they've been watered down.
So there's no like all the wordsthat get used in Scientology
that people have no idea whatthose are.
They've taken all that out andthey've sort of like whitebreded
it up so that anybody can readit and kind of get an idea what

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what L Ron Hubbard's talkingabout.
And all they did for this one isthey just repackaged that for
kids and they maybe kitted it upa little art graphics and
artwork or you know, artworktargeted to the younger
generation.

SPEAKER_00 (11:28):
And what's so disturbing about this, uh I
mean, there's many thingsdisturbing about it, but
specifically, I would classifythis as soft promotion of
Scientology to children.
100% that then only serves tonormalize the Scientology
mindset when they get older.

(11:48):
And it's carefully built intothese things to believe that if
you question anything or if youdon't agree or anything, that's
bad.

SPEAKER_03 (11:59):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (12:00):
It's like literally numbing critical thinking for
children.

SPEAKER_03 (12:03):
And you can see the well, maybe you can't see, I can
barely see it, but it's like howthe mind works, assists.
Um, and you can see they havethe on the bottom row of this
picture.
Let's see if we can go back oneif it oh no, that is it.
Um on the bottom row of thepicture is the is the like the
teenager version, and then onthe top is the younger kid

(12:28):
version.
Um, but they it's the same bookon the top as the bottom, it's
just the two different versionsfor the the age ranking.

SPEAKER_00 (12:36):
Clara just said she has a list of titles on a later
slide.

SPEAKER_03 (12:39):
Oh, okay, good.

SPEAKER_00 (12:41):
Um Alex Barnes Ross also shared promotional
materials that featureactivities geared towards kids
while calling this a quote, anew golden age, unquote.
It's always a new golden age,and now this is for to target
the most vulnerable.

SPEAKER_03 (12:56):
And in the picture, it's all these kids going into
the celebrity center of allplaces in Los Angeles.
The Scientology CelebrityCenter, which is a real thing.
Yeah.
If you're a new uh listener orwatcher, uh 5930 Franklin
Avenue, there is uh the ChateauElise building, which was it's

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actually uh the uh I can'tremember, I think it's like J
one of JP Morgan's no Hearst's,one of Hurst's like uh
mistresses or or wife or sgirlfriend or something.
When she divorced him or splitup with him, he gave her a ton

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of money and she built thiscastle in Hollywood.
Anyway, that is now the it's ait's it's literally like a a
castle in the middle ofHollywood and uh a French uh
French design chateau and um andthey have all these kids going
into there.

SPEAKER_00 (13:56):
Yeah, and then they also have one for Melbourne.
But what's so part of what's sodisturbing to me about these
particular images is it's like,oh, bring your children in.
If it has like chitty chittybang bang vibes to me.
Well, complimentary brunch,yeah.
Um bouncy house, a petting zoo,face painting, petting zoo.

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Bring your children while weindoctrinate them in the ways of
a cult.

SPEAKER_02 (14:22):
Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 (14:24):
And and Melbourne, too, balloon art, face painting,
Easter egg hunt, which what'sthe irony there, by the way?
Easter egg hunt?

SPEAKER_03 (14:31):
That's why.

SPEAKER_00 (14:32):
Really?
You guys are anti-Christianity.

SPEAKER_03 (14:34):
Oh, these are coming up.
Yes, they haven't even happenedyet.
This one of them's happeningright now.

SPEAKER_00 (14:40):
Oh, how how to 22 March.

SPEAKER_03 (14:43):
It's if it's at all if it's at the celebrities.

SPEAKER_00 (14:45):
It's happening right now.
It's one it started an hour ago.

SPEAKER_02 (14:50):
Holy Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 (14:52):
Look at this.
I just saw this.
Ribbon cutting, 12 p.m.
Roll call 1 p.m.
Are you kidding me right now?

SPEAKER_03 (15:03):
Where do you see that?

SPEAKER_00 (15:04):
On this on the celebrity center.

SPEAKER_03 (15:06):
Oh, I can't see under uh that has the slide.

SPEAKER_00 (15:08):
It says roll call.

SPEAKER_03 (15:11):
Holy mo.
That means that's what they doright before you start the
course.

SPEAKER_00 (15:15):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (15:15):
That's a dude.
Can you imagine you're going topet some donkeys and then a
six-scale-screen?

SPEAKER_00 (15:21):
Talk about a bait and switch.
Yeah, yeah.
Never mind, it's time for cultindoctrination.

SPEAKER_03 (15:26):
You get two one or two pets in, and then you're in
the course room for the rest ofthe day learning about
gobbledygook.

SPEAKER_00 (15:33):
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 (15:34):
I if they should just tell everybody about the
aliens, the body thetans,because then kids would be into
it.
Be like, hey, we're gonna playwith aliens today.

SPEAKER_00 (15:43):
Yeah.
And and also, too, I it'shorrible.
I know, it is absolutelyterrible.
Um okay.
Well, I'll say what I was gonnasay later.
So for young kids, oh, there wego.
So yeah, ages seven and up, agesten to a hundred, does that say?
Anyway, sequence for placingsequence for placing books on

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the bookshelf, left to right.
There's a sequence for thebooks.

SPEAKER_03 (16:12):
Because you can't there's a book seek is it say
that?
This is insanity.

SPEAKER_00 (16:19):
It says right there, sequence for placing books on
the bookshelf left to right.

SPEAKER_03 (16:26):
What the fuck?
Because God forbid they have askipped gradient, God forbid
they find out about uh doingdoing Xenu stuff before they
find out about brushing theirteeth and the way to happiness.

SPEAKER_00 (16:37):
Oh my god, this literally makes me so angry.
Anyway, okay, kids' books.
So here we go.
Here's the listing.
So for kids, and again, this iswhat did it say?
Well, seven and up.

SPEAKER_03 (16:49):
Yeah, but this is the thing.
With the one that says kids bookand the one that says teen
books, it's the same books.
They've just renamed it andthey've kind of uh, you know,
they've slimmed it, they madeit, they've dumbed it, dumbed it
down.
Yeah, so that it that it's likea pretty good thing.

SPEAKER_00 (17:06):
Like how to be happy, they've probably removed
the word promiscuous, forexample.

SPEAKER_03 (17:10):
Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_00 (17:11):
Uh, from the 21 precepts of the way to
happiness.
One of them is don't bepromiscuous.

SPEAKER_03 (17:17):
Um somebody should get their hands on these,
because I guarantee you there'sgonna be a bunch of these, like,
hey, you gotta do what yourparents say, otherwise you're
out exchange and you, you know,the balance of power is gonna be
twisted.
Okay, you want to read them?

SPEAKER_00 (17:32):
Yeah, so for the young kids, it's how to be
happy, honesty, start, change,stop, which is the cycle of
action in Scientology, confrontdrills, so that's training
routines, assists, how the mindworks.
That's again indoctrinating themthat they have a reactive mind,
and only Scientology can helpthem with that.

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The eight parts of life, whichis of course the eight dynamics,
body, mind, thetain, the tonelevels.
Again, you can't complain aboutanything, otherwise, you're
you're a bad kid and you'rebeing downtone and banky.

SPEAKER_04 (18:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (18:08):
Uh, and ARC, Affinity Reality Communication.
So that's for the kids likeseven years old, teens books,
the 21 Steps to Happiness, ofcourse, that's the way to
happiness, honesty and survival,how control works.
Oh, and by the way, thatincludes that if you rebel

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against control, you're a badkid.

SPEAKER_03 (18:33):
You can't control yourself, so you can't be
controlled by others either.
But in Scientology, this is avery key kind of little nugget
that lives inside Scientology'suh You mean a control mechanism?
If you are not willing to becontrolled, like told what to do
and and moved somewhere and getto work or something like that,

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that means that you have overtsand that you're not good at
controlling other people.
So if you if you're not willingto be controlled, that limits
your ability to control others.

SPEAKER_01 (19:09):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (19:09):
And so um uh the other thing I was thinking about
is Scientology doesn't doanything for no reason.

SPEAKER_00 (19:16):
Aaron Ross Powell No, they don't.
I I have some theories.
We'll get to this at the end.

SPEAKER_03 (19:20):
Oh, I just wanted to say it right now.

SPEAKER_00 (19:22):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (19:22):
Okay.
They don't do anything for noreason.

SPEAKER_00 (19:26):
Correct.

SPEAKER_03 (19:27):
The things they do are basically things that either
Scientologists or or people thatwork in the organizations have
said this is a major problemright now.
And then that then Scientologysays, hmm, we're losing a lot of
people because of this reason,so we need to figure out why

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that's happening and then fixit.
And what this means to me when Isee this, uh what I see is that
Scientologists are having kidsand the kids are like, see I
wouldn't want to be you.
I ain't having anything to dowith your crazy space alien cult
that was written by a comic bookwriter from the 1940s.

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No way, no how.
And so now they gotta get there,they're basically like, hey, if
you want your kids to beScientologists, you gotta start
working on them really early.

SPEAKER_00 (20:22):
Yes.
Including bringing them into theScientology organizations,
because I might be wrong aboutthis, but I believe that there
are courts there were courseslike this at some of the
Scientology schools.

SPEAKER_03 (20:35):
And they they're not they're very similar.
It's this a similar idea.
It's a in at Delphi, at theScientology School that I went
to, and even Apple School, theyhad the the I think it was
called the the study course orthe the world word clearing book

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or some you know, they had thesethings that you would learn how
to read and how to look up wordsand understand words.

SPEAKER_00 (21:02):
And you'd learn the three barriers to study and all
those pieces, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (21:06):
Yeah, it was a red book.
I remember it was a red book.

SPEAKER_00 (21:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (21:10):
And it was and I don't oh the basic study manual.
The BSM, the basic study manual.

SPEAKER_01 (21:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (21:15):
And that was a course that didn't have a lot of
Scientologies in it.
It still actually had some init.

SPEAKER_01 (21:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (21:22):
But it was way, way watered down, and that all the
kids at all the Scientologyschools, that's one of the very
first things you have to do whenyou go to this school.
Yes.
Is you have to do the basicstudy manual course.
And then there was another bookat Delphi called The Factor.
That was, I don't what was it?
It was called Gosh, Sasha washere, he would have remembered.
It was called The Thinking Book.

SPEAKER_00 (21:44):
Oh God, I haven't heard of that one.

SPEAKER_03 (21:46):
And it would teach you about how L.
Ron Hubbard how there wereoutpoints and plus points.
And so if you would learn allthe outpoints, omitted data,
emitted the, you know, all thefalse data, false data.
All whatever all the emits arethe outpoints.
outpoints the list of outpointswere and then it had the list of
plus points and then so youwould be trained when you're

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twelve to th how to think like aScientologist at a s and you're
you know how to think like amadman.

SPEAKER_00 (22:14):
That's really great.
Anyway so all of these coursesum have been around for years
and years and years and I betyou and also the fundamental
orientation of all of these isthat Scientology you need you
have to have Scientology in yourlife.
The only thing that's wrong withyou is you need to go up the the

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bridge to total freedom and allthat.
And and again like I said builtinto this is the fact that if
you don't want to continue inScientology you're a bad person
or if you want to get out ofthere you're a bad person.
You know all these things.

SPEAKER_03 (22:52):
And and especially so yeah you're right the the
these courses I I just want tomake sure that everybody
understands this.
These courses are not new.
Nope they're not really anydifferent than the courses that
have been out here forever.
They just kitted them up withsome the anime the design and
the animation and they may ormay not have watered down the

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one that's for the kids asopposed to the teens I'd I'd be
surprised if the teens one isany different than just a
regular c uh extension course.
That's what they're called theseare all called Scientology
extension courses.
And if you look on theScientology bridge to total
freedom it has these things thatare called routes to the bridge
and one of the routes to thebridge is introductory courses.

SPEAKER_00 (23:37):
Yes and this exactly is exactly what these are what
is new is a broad scale targetedstrategy of children to get them
into these courses inScientology.

SPEAKER_03 (23:50):
Yeah I'm gonna guess that every Scientology parent
had to buy one of these one ofthese kits of all these books
and then all of the Scientologyschools will now have these
courses in in in theircurriculum so that they can
teach Scientology in theScientology schools.
The Scientology school that Iwent to there weren't only

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Scientologists that went there.

SPEAKER_00 (24:15):
Right and that was the same for me I went to the UK
version of Delphi which isgreenfields and while I would
say 80% of the student body wereScientologists there was a good
20% that were not.

SPEAKER_03 (24:29):
Yeah that's I I don't think it was 20% at Delphi
but it was probably five fivepercent of just people that
wanted to send their kids to aprivate school that was in the
area kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 (24:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (24:43):
And that they taught them some weird shit okay fine
oh my God boiling I cannotimagine today like a a
non-scientologist sending theirkid to a a Scientology school
and not just be going like theyou know there's no way you

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would do that unless you're awell out there.

SPEAKER_00 (25:07):
Though apostate Alex talked about how Greenfields was
targeting students from abroadum to come in as true over you
know from overseas.

SPEAKER_03 (25:17):
Well those are boarding schools right that
Delphi I bet you Delphi Oregonbecause Delphi board uh Oregon
is a boarding school um I betyou that they had some some wild
stuff like that for for that forthere.

SPEAKER_00 (25:30):
Yeah.
That wouldn't surprise me atall.

SPEAKER_03 (25:33):
Mainly the Scientology schools are for
Scientologist children.
Like families that are inScientology that that have kids
they usually are sending them tothe schools.

SPEAKER_00 (25:43):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (25:44):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (25:45):
Next one Oh you know what Catherine Olson just said
uh the thinking book is onAmazon.

SPEAKER_03 (25:53):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (25:54):
That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (25:55):
Hey how crazy is it I remember the book that I read
when I was 10 I know that iscrazy.

SPEAKER_00 (26:02):
I mean some of these things you just can't forget is
it really called the thinkingbook?
Yeah and I mean I didn't clickon the link but um awesome can
you read these things that I putup here?
Yes so this is from Church ofScientology San Francisco.
Have kids there are four coursesyour kids can take at the Church
of Scientology in San Franciscochildren's communication course

(26:22):
learning how to learn how to usea dictionary grammar
communication invaluable coursesto set your kids up to succeed.
Yeah why not indoct indoctrinateyour children in a cult?
What could possibly go wrong?
Scientology social mediaaccounts including San Francisco
Las Vegas have been postingvideos to promote courses for

(26:44):
kids.
A Scientologist run podcast hashad multiple guests promoting
Scientology based learning foryouth as opposed to public
school.
A famous Scientologist childeven went online seven months
ago to praise the first coursethey took at only six years old.
I remember that not to mentionany names but Grant Cardone your

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parenting sucks yeah and youknow this is another crazy thing
which I don't think a lot ofScientologists know this.

SPEAKER_03 (27:13):
Like there obviously there are a bunch that do but
for the most part these coursesand and the Scientology sort
sort of everything they'retrying to do with kids um that
is the I'd say one of the mainmain suppliers of people to the

(27:33):
sea organization.
Absolutely are are the parentsuh uh that uh of Scientology
kids they get brought up in itand the because of all the
things that they've learned theyknow that the most dedicated
thing they can do in Scientologyis join the sea organization.

SPEAKER_01 (27:52):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (27:53):
And it also means I don't got to listen to mom and
dad anymore.

SPEAKER_01 (27:57):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (27:57):
I don't have to be have to deal with any of the
drama in the in the in the houseI don't have to worry about
getting a job.

SPEAKER_00 (28:04):
Don't have to worry about finishing formal
education.

SPEAKER_03 (28:07):
I don't have to worry about finishing school I
don't definitely don't have toworry about going to college
because as we showed you ElrondHubbard disapproves of college
and also I don't have to worryabout what I'm gonna eat and
what I'm gonna eat and where I'mgonna sleep and all that stuff
it's it's like we'll give you abed you're gonna it's gonna do

(28:28):
the most dedicated thing you cando in Scientology.
So your parents are going to belike you're the best yeah you're
awesome we we we we and theparents they can't say no.

SPEAKER_01 (28:39):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (28:40):
If they say no then Scientology's like what's up
with that your kid wants to dothe most uh Scientology thing
ever and you don't want them towe better we better look and see
what that's all about the redflag you're disaffected that you
don't want this for yourchildren.
These courses I mean I wantwe're proof we both did all

(29:03):
these little courses when wewere kids and we went to the
organization and then we bothended up in the C org when we
were 15 or 16.
Yeah so let me ask you what wasthe first course you did in
Scientology I did the HQS when Iwas like eight years old which
is the Hubbard qualifiedScientologist course and I did
it at um Los Angeles Day or LAOrg the that's the one it's off

(29:29):
of Sunset and it just saysDianetics at the the top of the
building or or something likethat.
It's been renovated 47 timessince I did my course there.
Yeah um when I did my coursesI'll the this is I'll give you
some old school Scientologystuff here.

SPEAKER_00 (29:45):
You want to switch off the slides for a second?

SPEAKER_03 (29:48):
No I don't care we'll leave it up.

SPEAKER_00 (29:50):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (29:51):
Um when I was a kid and I did my courses at Los
Angeles uh organizationScientology it's called LA Org
when I did my courses there werepools in the basement from the
hot the the the pools that werethere for the hospital so they

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would do like physical therapyand stuff like that in these
pools.
Those pools were still therewhen I w did this course because
they had just per purchased thebuilding a few years before that
and they didn't really renovateanything.
They just knocked down walls andmade big just big course rooms
and and the audience I thinkthey got the they got them in

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the mid to late seventies Ithink that's what I'm saying.
This was I mean I was this islike we're talking like eighty
one eighty two it's it was therewas there were lines on the they
put red and blue and yellowlines on the floors so when you
finished one thing on a routingform to to do a course or

(30:53):
something the lines on the floorwould guide you to the next
office that you were supposed togo to.
So you was literally like you'rethe stupidest person in the
world follow the yellow brickroad to your next building
anyway but um but yeah I startedyeah I want to say when I was
eight eight or nine I think isbecause I remember being a

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little little kid and being outon the street on sunset passing
out things because you had tosell a book you had to you had
to go pass out flyers for like aseminar and stuff like that.
You had to audit somebody youhad to do all these things and I
remember I was just like alittle little kid and
everybody's like what this andand some they're gonna buy a

(31:39):
book from you just as a sympathyplay like oh I 100% sold it to
like my mom or something likethat.
You know I don't remember likebut it was somebody who's like
hey I'll buy a book from you andI was like yeah damn straight
Skippy I'm not going back out onthe sunset to sell a book I'm
like nine.
Anyway but yeah that that isthey and the same thing in

(32:00):
England.

SPEAKER_00 (32:00):
They have the same yeah no I I did similar versions
of these courses the first timewhen I was five in the cadet org
um we had to learn all the eightdynamics all the precepts of the
way to happiness um you know uhwhat else overts and withholds
like the first time I wasapproximately seven the first

(32:24):
time I was made to write upoverts and withholds the first
time.

SPEAKER_03 (32:27):
Oh yeah yeah I think you even have to do it on the
HQS course.
As part of the course you haveto do it.

SPEAKER_00 (32:35):
The HQS has everything a dynamic cycle
communication it's like it's HQSstands for Hubbard qualified
scientologist so the idea isthat it's kind of covers all
bases and you have a basicorientation of all aspects of
Scientology as you will nowapply it to your life.
I think that's fair to say right100%.

SPEAKER_03 (32:57):
Yeah it's basically if you do that course you're
actually a Scientologist.
Right.
Because up until that point youdon't know you're just like oh
man don't be banky what thatthat's not all there is to it.
There's a lot of other stuff butonce you do that it's like okay
good and also the reason why isbecause I think because I did

(33:18):
that HQS I don't remember therewas some sort of deal like if
you do this then something elsewill happen.
So because I didn't want to doit.
I was like I'm I'm a little kidthere's no little kids running
around there.

SPEAKER_00 (33:33):
Right.
And so Okay another question foryou how old were you when you
had your first auditing sessioncounseling.
Because then was that's what youget audited on the HQS too yeah
but that wasn't with so on theon the HQS course you're you
don't learn how to use ane-meter.

SPEAKER_03 (33:49):
You're just doing auditing then probably um when I
did uh there's a course uh aword clearing course it's like
the ultimate boss final boss ofword clearing in Scientology is
that you do what's called themethod one co-audit course and
you ought you do it on somebodyand they do it on you and

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basically what you do is youlook up words while you're on
the e-meter.

SPEAKER_00 (34:14):
Right.
So if you're US US they they'llread off a list of topics you
know like math, religion blahblah blah and any any reaction
on the e-meter that you get thenit's like okay in the subject of
math is there a word or symbolyou don't fully understand?
And then you just look up wordsabout math for the next forever

(34:36):
until yeah exactly until you'reclear of all misunderstood words
on the subject of math.

SPEAKER_03 (34:41):
Aaron Ross Powell you basically look up on this
course it I would say lightlyyou could look up 2000 words in
the dictionary on a just aaverage you could it takes a
long time.

SPEAKER_00 (34:53):
Just and also and because you're doing it on the
e-meter um you have to get towhere you have a floating
needle.

SPEAKER_02 (35:00):
That's right.

SPEAKER_00 (35:01):
And so if you look up you say okay on in the
subject of math is there a wordor symbol you don't fully
understand?
Uh yeah algebra.
Okay.
So you clear the word algebra.
If you now don't have a floatingneedle when you're done clearing
that word was there an earlieris there an earlier similar
misunderstood word?
Oh my God.

SPEAKER_03 (35:19):
And so basically you have to keep looking up words um
even if it just started withalgebra you have to keep looking
up words full time until yourneedle goes which means
everything's copacetic.

SPEAKER_00 (35:34):
Allegedly yeah and so yeah it's a lot it's a lot it
is so the reason I was askingthat is because the first time I
had an auditing session I wassix and it was my mother who was
my auditor which was superawkward um and she was doing
with me what's called the it'scalled CS1 um which is where you

(36:00):
literally clear all the basicwords of Scientology and so
that's where you learn the wordengram affinity reality
everything like a probably 50 to100 words and they they even had
back at back then they had alike a book dedicated to that
with diagrams and everythingelse that you would go through.

(36:22):
But yeah and and even even atage six I remember telling my
mom no I don't I don't needauditing and she was like wait
what?

SPEAKER_03 (36:33):
Well also if you you're in Scientology and you
say I don't want auditing it's areally bad thing.
That's a like that's basicallylike oh we got a Damien the Omen
on that.

SPEAKER_00 (36:44):
And I quickly and I quickly learned that because she
was like well it's gonna makeyou more happy I'm like I'm fine
and then I quickly realized thatno was not an option it never it
never was.

SPEAKER_03 (36:56):
I think it's actually on the it's either
there's a there's two differentcharts there's a tone scale
chart but there's another onecalled the chart of human
evaluation.
Yes and it has the tone levelsbut then it also has all these
characteristics of all thedifferent things and one of the
very very low things on thechart is doesn't want auditing

(37:18):
is one of the things that's thedescription.
So if somebody who doesn't wantauditing in Scientology is
really really super low on thechart of human evaluation.

SPEAKER_00 (37:28):
They're they're heading to the suppressive
person category on the fasttrack.

SPEAKER_03 (37:33):
You were an early starter there Claire I know
right uh yeah no well especiallyit was my mom like I didn't want
her asking me about like ohpersonal things yes very
auditing it uh Scientologycounseling which is they call
auditing is very very verypersonally invasive it is you

(37:58):
basically at any point if theysay what was that like if
they're looking at the e-meterit's like a uh it's like a uh a
bad thoughts dividing rod andthey go who what was that and if
you were thinking aboutsomething that you didn't want
to talk about it was never goingto end until you told them that

(38:19):
thing.

SPEAKER_00 (38:19):
Yeah and and again as a child being brought up in
this environment you believebelieved or were indoctrinated I
should say to believe that theE-meter is never wrong.
It's always right.
So if you if there's a read andnow you believe that oh the
thing I didn't want to say youknow it's it's literally it

(38:41):
anyway you just get backed intoa corner.
Okay so let's get back to here.

SPEAKER_03 (38:48):
Did you read all those different things?

SPEAKER_00 (38:50):
No.
Scientology social mediaaccounts including San Francisco
Oh no I read that I just didn'tread the red boxes it's a little
too small for me.

SPEAKER_03 (38:58):
Okay great.
If you guys can freeze that ifyou want to read that it's
basically the posts of like heyyou want to get your kid doing
stuff during the day so theydon't get up to nonsense?
Drop them off at the org andthey'll do it all.

SPEAKER_00 (39:11):
Yeah.
Mr okay and so then this is um aruling that I know apostate Alex
provided in in context to thisthis is from Mr.
Justice Lady in the High Courtof Justice Family Division UK
RIA child custody case on July23rd 1984 which by the way was
at the very time that I was inthe cadet organization

(39:34):
discipline is ruthless andobedience has to be
unquestioning.
The objective of Scientology isto capture the child and its
mind.
The auditing the processingbegins at an early age I agree
with Dr.
Clark that Scientology trainingis training for slavery.

(39:55):
Again you and I are bothexamples of this exactly what
I'm saying this is justbasically you gotta you gotta
you gotta sand these kids downso that they just go by the time
they can use them they're verypolished little cogs that are
going to go right into theirmachine and you're never going
to they've written all overtheir blank slate of naivety and

(40:16):
made them into robot Scientologyrobots.
It is corrupt it is sinister itis dangerous because it is out
to capture people especiallychildren and impressionable
young people and indoctrinateand brainwash them so that they
become the unquestioningcaptives and tools of the cult

(40:39):
withdrawn from ordinary thoughtliving and relationships with
others I mean it's exactly ifthat doesn't nail it I don't
know what does I mean that isliterally there's no part of
that that I disagree with noteven one single word.

SPEAKER_03 (40:55):
And the crazy thing to me about this is is that they
do all of this and a lot ofthese kids even still don't stay
in Scientology or they do jointhe C org and then they're like
what the hell I'm out of hereand so that's another thing that

(41:16):
happens yeah is the kids this isnot the kids are not don't have
any say in any of this.
Yeah so if they're if theirNorth Star ain't Scientology
they're eventually going to belike I'm out of here and then
because of that then now if theydon't do it the way Scientology
wants them to do it then theynever see the parents ever again

(41:38):
they're declared a suppressiveperson.
And that's how I mean when wefirst got out we heard a story
of a young girl who was actuallythe daughter of somebody at the
international headquarters andshe got put with a Scientology
family or something and thisgirl ended up robbing a bank
when she was 16 years old.

(42:00):
Um that's crazy okay yeah andbecause she had what didn't
wasn't the Scientology thingwasn't for her.
No and so but she had couldn'tgo the mom was in the Sea Org
and it's a tragedy.
The kid I mean it's a kid wasbasically homeless on the

(42:20):
streets and got mixed up withsome other wild teens and that's
how she ended up robbing a bank.
She basically just joined agang.

SPEAKER_00 (42:27):
Yeah well she ran away from the Scientology family
that she'd been put with in themiddle of nowhere as a normal
child would do.
I mean her you know she neverhad a fighting chance.

SPEAKER_03 (42:38):
And also those that wasn't her family.

SPEAKER_00 (42:40):
No it was just some rando Scientologist she met them
when she got off the plane whenshe arrived there.
It's nuts.
Anyway no I was gonna saysomething else too but I'll I'll
remember it shortly um okay holdon oh I guess we're done with
that the next slide is somethingtotally different.
Well hold on should we takelet's then let's take a minute

(43:01):
to put it put us back on normalscreen and we can run through
some of the questions andcomments on this topic before we
go on to the next one.
That's a great idea Claire Iknow I'm so full of anybody star
any of these things yes okayhere we go okay user I think a
side point is that this is notjust about indoctrinating
children it's about keeping thewhole family unit under control.

(43:22):
Scientology parents need to becareful what they wish for 100%
oh and that's what I was goingto say is how does this affect
us personally?
Well first of all yes we werebore I mean I was born and
raised in it you got in at sixso this this is something we're
very very familiar with.
But also our our siblings allhave kids our nieces and nephews

(43:47):
and they are of the age thatthey are going to be put through
these courses and that that getsmy my blood boiling.

SPEAKER_03 (43:54):
Well the other thing I was going to say is that my
sister my mom all allScientology When you're in
Scientology, they will use theindividual family members
against each other.
So if they have to play, if theyhave to play a little game with
you to get you to do what theywant, they'll threaten the kid

(44:15):
and say, Hey, you want to youwant to see your mom again?
Because we'll post you infreaking Zimbabwe and you're
never going to see her again.
So you better like chop two.
And they'll do the same thingwith the parent.
If the parent is not doingcourses and doing what
Scientology wants and notcausing trouble, then they'll be
like, How do you think this isgoing to work with your daughter

(44:37):
or your son that is in the SeaOrg?
If you get declared asuppressive person, you're never
going to speak to them everagain.

SPEAKER_00 (44:44):
Right.
And I have said, and I firmlybelieve there are more people
impacted by the practic byScientology's evil practice of
disconnection in this world thanthere are active Scientologists.

SPEAKER_03 (44:58):
Yeah.
Oh, we got user of uh Uba U's17.

SPEAKER_00 (45:02):
It's a real sign of desperation when the
organization has to tailor makeindoctrination for children.
I wonder if there is a directorder for all Scientology
parents to use and apply thismaterial.

SPEAKER_03 (45:13):
100%.
Absolutely.
You are spot on.
That's what I'm saying.
They're having problems.
This is another thing that sortof leads to that.
Scientology says they havemillions and millions of
members, and the facts are theycan't even get the children of
Scientologists into Scientologybecause they're on the

(45:36):
interwebs.
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (45:38):
They know they are and here's another point that I
I think is worth discussing too,because I was looking at this.
So our lawsuit was 2009 to 2012.
And we know from numerous,hundreds of different sources,
that after our lawsuit, whichinvolved um a lot of causes of

(45:59):
action, but specificallyobjected to their practice of
forcing termination ofpregnancies of Sea Org members.
So after 2012, uh thingsdramatically changed.
And a lot of members of the Corganization, when they got
pregnant, were allowed to justleave.

SPEAKER_03 (46:16):
Well, you know, but they're doing a new thing now.

SPEAKER_00 (46:18):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (46:19):
You know what they're doing?
Yeah, they're forcing them toget uh The men have to take care
of it on their end so that theycan never have kids.
That's what they're doing now.
That's what they're doing now.
That's a real thing.

SPEAKER_00 (46:32):
I know.
I've heard that too.
And so because before that theywere forcing women to get um
planted birth birth control, butthat wasn't even enough.

SPEAKER_03 (46:43):
But then when they couldn't t tell the women what
to do, then it was like, hey,listen, we can't have any
accidents happening.
The guys need to take care of iton their their end.
Because and also there were uhtons of C org members that as
soon as they figured this out,they were all getting pregnant.

SPEAKER_01 (47:02):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (47:02):
Because then it was basically a free ticket out of
there, like it's not my fault.
You know, accidents happen.

SPEAKER_00 (47:08):
Yeah, so but but so again, going back to this train
of thought, so you had a massexodus of members of the C
organization in, let's say, 2012to 2015.

SPEAKER_03 (47:19):
Oh, I'm sure it started before that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (47:21):
I'm just saying that definitely, I mean, we know of
numerous examples.
Yes.
So those those ex-members of theC organization all now have
children.
And the reason I bring this upis because I've noticed
repeatedly on all theseScientology podcasts and
websites and everything, thatthey're the parents are

(47:41):
ex-members of the Corganization.
And they're now like, oh yeah.
And you're like, man, it's wild.
Yeah, it's wild.

SPEAKER_03 (47:49):
Well, because if they if they especially where we
were, if you were at theinternational headquarters, you
saw and did stuff that there'sno way you can unknow that.

SPEAKER_00 (48:00):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (48:01):
It's crazy.
This the nonsense that goes onwith David Miscavige.
But if you're at one of theselower organizations, it's like,
hey, if you leave and have akid, you gotta give us money or
you gotta you gotta be this, yougotta be active.
You can't, if you go off thereservation, then the rest of
your Scientology family aren'tgonna be able to speak to you.

SPEAKER_00 (48:19):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (48:19):
So they we've seen this.
We've seen there's a few.

SPEAKER_00 (48:22):
Like in our case, they wanted us to pay$150,000 as
one of many steps if we ever, ifwe ever wanted to speak to our
family again.
I mean, this is no joke.
After we've been making$46 aweek for 15 years, if we were
lucky,$150,000.

(48:42):
Anyway, um, okay, question.
You mentioned about kids needingto be controlled to then also
control others.
Did you ever see this withShelly, like her attempts to
control situations to appease DMDavid Miscavige?
Um, yeah, I mean, Shelly gotinto Scientology when she was
six years old.

SPEAKER_03 (49:02):
I was just gonna say, David Miscavige and Shelly
were Scientology kids.
Yes, they were.
Both of them were Scientologykids.

SPEAKER_01 (49:08):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (49:09):
And a lot of people that when we were at the
international headquarters,there was tons of people there.
Like I would say at least halfthat were Scientology kids.

SPEAKER_01 (49:21):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (49:21):
That they grew up in Scientology.
There they they never were evernot in Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 (49:26):
Yeah, no, there is writing from L.
Ron Hubbard saying that theideal age for a member of the C
organization to become aCommodore's messenger and run
for him and work for himdirectly is six years old.
That's the best time to get thechild as a clean slate and
indoctrinate them to become theperfect Scientology robot.

SPEAKER_03 (49:50):
Yeah.
I was just gonna say in toanswer this question, um Shelley
and there was I think it wasShelley and maybe one or two
other people would always makeit their business to see what
was happening with the kids atthe ranch.

SPEAKER_01 (50:04):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (50:05):
So that this she was basically if you if something
was happening at the ranch,which was where all the
Scientology kids were of thatwere children of people that
worked at the internationalheadquarters.
Yeah.
So if you had kids and you wentto the international
headquarters, if your kid wasgood enough, then they could

(50:27):
also come, but they would be atthe the int ranch.

SPEAKER_00 (50:30):
And when you say good enough, just for
clarification's sake, said childhad to get through their own
security clearance check to beapproved to go to that to the
kids part.
Kids ranch.
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (50:44):
Anyway, so Shelly was one of those people who kind
of was looking out for what washappening with the kids and
keeping tabs on that.
So I don't know aboutcontrolling others.
Everybody tries to controleverybody there.
So that's sort of like that'sthat's ever that's everybody
there has some way trying tocontrol other people that they
work for or the work with them.

SPEAKER_00 (51:04):
Yeah.
Angela, thank you.
Thank you.
Thanks for exposing all thesedifferent topics so interesting
for an Ever and I'm learning somuch love from the sunny French
South Coast.
Nice.
Thanks for tuning tuning in,Angela.
Good.
Is that where we went?
No.
Um I believe that South, theSouth Coast is like, I think

(51:25):
around I I can't remember thecities that it we were in the
middle.
Dordon.

SPEAKER_03 (51:30):
Dordone.

SPEAKER_00 (51:31):
La Roque Jac.

SPEAKER_03 (51:33):
La Rocajac.

SPEAKER_00 (51:34):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (51:35):
Okay.
Here we go.

SPEAKER_00 (51:37):
Okay.
Uh music, Maven.
Hi from Rhode Island, where wehave the real U.S.
Navy, not the fake Davy Navy.
There you go.

SPEAKER_03 (51:44):
That wasn't really a question, but I thought it was
fun.
Okay, let's see if there's anyuh dippa doo.
Oh, here's a great one.

SPEAKER_00 (51:53):
Okay.
Gabriella.
Hey from Romania, a country withexactly 70 Scientologists
altogether.
Question.
Sorry for the off-topic.
Were there any Romanians at Goldor Clearwater?
Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 (52:07):
Romanians.

SPEAKER_03 (52:09):
Um I don't think I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 (52:12):
I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_03 (52:13):
We did have a lot of um we had a lot of Italians at
the uh There were Hungarians forsure.
Well, no, I mean there we hadpeople from Denmark, Sweden,
German, German, uh Spain,Mexico.
We had people from everywhere.
Um, but most of those people,um, for the most part, they were

(52:34):
in the translations unit.
Yes.
And there was a few other peoplethat were executives or stuff
like that, but they alsohappened to be Italian.
But most of the foreignnationals that were at the
international headquarters werein a a unit called the
translations unit.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (52:50):
Or they were also in audio recording L.
Ron Hubbard's lectures asvoiceover talent.

SPEAKER_03 (52:56):
Marco.
Yes.
Marco Grizzetti.

SPEAKER_00 (52:59):
Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_03 (53:00):
Um Alberto Galli.
Um, okay, here's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 (53:03):
Okay.
Amy, when my spouse was eight,he was told, quote, if you ever
want to see your mother again,you'll knock it off and obey the
rules, unquote.
When he said, quote, my mommakes the rules, unquote, he was
told, no, she doesn't.
Yep.
Yeah, that is par for the cost.
Of course.
It is.
I mean so crazy.

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It is.

SPEAKER_03 (53:24):
It is really.
This is design of desperation.
It is.
They're losing people, and thisis a great transition because
this next thing was also on TonyOrtega's site.
Okay.
Um, you want to read this one?

SPEAKER_00 (53:40):
Okay.
So Tony got this tip about thecause resurgence rundown.
The cause resurgence rundown isnearing the 12,000 completion
milestone.
I just finished it for the thirdtime.

SPEAKER_02 (53:53):
That's key.

SPEAKER_00 (53:54):
Yes, it is.
We expand across our dynamicsevery time we've done it.
It's an amazing spiritualprocess directed at you, the
being, that you can do in abody.
Oh my God, the Scientology isjust I gotta tell you some stuff
after this.
Of course.
The Cause Resurgence team areamazing, and my doing this

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skyrocketed on this rundown.
We have so much ability, andwhen operating from the
viewpoint of cause, we areunstoppable.
It truly is an OT objectiveprocess.

SPEAKER_03 (54:30):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (54:31):
So breaking it down.
Where do we begin?

SPEAKER_03 (54:34):
Normally, when we talk about all this technical
stuff and counseling, I deferredto Claire because she was
trained in it and she knewproperly, you know, how this
worked and all this other goodstuff.
Okay, but in this case, shClaire did not, you didn't do
this.
You've never done the causalsurgeon survey.

SPEAKER_00 (54:56):
No, I was actually going to be in charge of it at
the base.
But then I so I studied all ofthe L.
Run Hubbard advices that thisrundown is based on, but I
you're right.
I never did it.
You did it.

SPEAKER_03 (55:07):
Okay.
So this is a rare case where Iknow all about this.
And Claire doesn't.
I mean, she knows about itbecause she studied all the
things.

SPEAKER_00 (55:17):
I don't have first hand knowledge from actually
having done it myself.

SPEAKER_03 (55:21):
Yes.
So the cause resurgence rundownwas a pilot.
So it's a Scientology coursethat they're testing, but they
haven't released it generally toScientologists.
So they're they're just havingpeople do it.
And when things go bad, they go,Why did that happen?
Why did it go bad?
And then they keep doing it overand over and over again until

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they kind of hone in, okay,good, these are the best
practices for somebody to dothis thing.

SPEAKER_00 (55:49):
Yeah.
And also it was not called theCause or Surgeons Rundown.

SPEAKER_03 (55:55):
Yeah.
It was called the RunningProgram.
And at the internationalheadquarters, they had a palm
tree and a dirt track around thepalm tree.
And this was specifically made.
It was a custom everything justfor this program.
This they built a littlebuilding, a little outbuilding,

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and they had some saunas inthere.
And it was it was a tiny littlebuilding.
Tiny.
You could maybe pit like let'ssay five or six people in the
sauna, and then there was justsome couches and there was like
a little office there.
And that's really what it was.
And what you do on the runningprogram, I mean, I'm not trying,

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I'm not trying to give you guysany spoiler alerts, but you do
some running.
And when you first start, theythey say um walk around the
tree.
And you have to walk around thetree until you're exhausted.
Until you can't possibly go onemore time around.

SPEAKER_00 (56:58):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (56:59):
So you do that.

SPEAKER_00 (57:00):
And this is phase one.

SPEAKER_03 (57:01):
This is phase one of the running program.
I'm gonna tell you,Scientologists, if you're out
there and you don't know whatthe cause of surgeon's rundown
is, I'm gonna tell you becauseyou could do this at home.

SPEAKER_00 (57:12):
But a key element of feel free.
Yeah, exactly.
But a key element is that thewhole time you're going around
the tree.

SPEAKER_03 (57:21):
I'm getting to that.

SPEAKER_00 (57:22):
Okay, you're jumping ahead.
All right, all right.

SPEAKER_03 (57:25):
Okay, first you do the walking.

SPEAKER_00 (57:26):
Jump by my head off.

SPEAKER_03 (57:27):
First you do the walking until you're exhausted.
And you keep doing that untiland oh, and when you get
exhausted, you're supposed torest.
Now, rest is open to a lot ofinterpretation.
Rest to me means I'm going totake a nap.

SPEAKER_01 (57:44):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (57:44):
And also, if they meant that to every other Sea
Org member that I did thisrunning program with, but you
take a nap or you just rest, youdo just sit down until you
basically regain your yourself.

SPEAKER_00 (57:56):
But also factor in this is after you were walking
to the point where you could notwalk any longer.
I understand.

SPEAKER_03 (58:02):
And it's and and also I do want to mention we
were in the middle of thedesert, the California desert.
So pretty much the entire time Idid it, it was in the high 90s
or the mid hundred 100s.
Like and in Hemet, San Yacento,Gilman Hot Springs, where the
international headquarters is,it got up to 120 degrees there.

SPEAKER_00 (58:22):
Yeah, in the let's talk about this for a minute,
too, before you go on to thenext levels.
So, by my recollection, youcould either do this rundown,
this running program part-timeor full time.
So if you were doing itpart-time, is that what you were
doing of five hours a day?

SPEAKER_03 (58:41):
I was doing it full-time.

SPEAKER_00 (58:42):
Full time.
So you were doing 12 hours.

SPEAKER_03 (58:44):
Oh no, I was doing it, I was doing it five hours a
day.
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (58:47):
Five hours a day was the minimum.

SPEAKER_03 (58:49):
Yeah, because for a while it was during the summer,
I remember that.

SPEAKER_00 (58:54):
Yep, I do too.

SPEAKER_03 (58:55):
For some times, if we didn't have anything to run,
it was I think it was when Iworked in manufacturing, is when
I did it.

SPEAKER_00 (59:02):
Yeah, that's what I recall too.
And and actually I think thatyou even shifted to the day
schedule to be able to do thisprogram.

SPEAKER_03 (59:09):
That's exactly what I was just about to say.
I I I think I ended up doing itduring the day, and the person
who was my boss did the nightshift, or sh or there was only
one shift needed.
So it was fine, just do oneshift.

SPEAKER_04 (59:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (59:23):
Because we weren't running that much.
But however it happened, I was Iwas the tannest little kid on
the property there.

SPEAKER_00 (59:31):
I mean, I was I was probably It was after we were
married.

SPEAKER_03 (59:35):
Yeah, so I was like 19 or 20 when I did it.

SPEAKER_00 (59:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (59:38):
I did it pretty very quickly after we got married,
I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_01 (59:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (59:42):
Anyway, so um you first you walk okay to
exhaustion, keep doing that abunch of times, and then when
you can just keep walking andyou don't get exhausted, like
you could be walking for threehours.
Just walking, walking, walking.

SPEAKER_00 (59:56):
Then they say you're not allowed to listen to music
right now.

SPEAKER_03 (59:59):
Oh no.
You have to focus your energy onthe pole in the middle of the in
the uh of the circle.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:08):
Yes.
And the premise of that is Well,we're gonna get there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:12):
Holy moly with this one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:14):
Dang.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:14):
I'm trying to tell Scientologists what that is from
somebody who's actually done itfor once.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:20):
So then you trot.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:24):
Okay?

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:25):
No, no, there's a there's a level in between
there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:27):
Jog?

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:28):
No, it's walk-trot.
You do Oh yes, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:30):
Walk trot.
That's really that, guys.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:33):
He said you're right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:35):
Walk trot.
That's right.
I forgot about walk-trot.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:38):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:39):
I think I went right to I for walk-trot was like,
come on, we're already we werewalking, and now we're
walk-trotting.
I'm good.
Okay.
So you go walk, walk, trot,trot, and then trot.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:50):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:51):
And then jog.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:52):
Uh I think it's then trot run.
Well, we're I don't remember theword jog being used.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:58):
You keep going through it until you're
basically build up until You youbasically you could spend a few
days walking, then you couldspend a few days walk-trotting,
and then you you you basicallyhave to kind of gear yourself up
for it.
Because if you just go out thereand start running around, you're
gonna pull muscles, you're gonnaget hurt.
So you've got to do this thingon a steady gradient to build up

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your muscles and build up yourbody to be able to do this.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:24):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:25):
And then you get to the point where you're basically
running at a full run around thetree.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:34):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:35):
And this goes on for days and weeks and forever until
you don't get exhausted.
So you basically keep running,and then when you get exhausted,
you take a break.
But you keep doing it and youdon't ever stop until you you're
never gonna be done with ituntil you can run and run and

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run and run and not getexhausted.
And I think that when I did,when I graduated, I ran the
entire five hours straight.
I never stopped for five hours.
Yep.
And because of that, they werelike, okay, you're done.
Yeah, you're good.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:17):
But also, let's just talk about the origins of this
program for a minute, because tome it's fascinating that the
reason this program wasdeveloped in the first place had
nothing to do with OT abilitiesor superpowers or anything else.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:34):
Actually the running program, because it was at the
int base, it was something thatL.
Ron Hubbard wanted the peoplethat worked there to do.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:46):
And not only just any of the people, a specific
category of staff, which wasrecalcitrant, belligerent, and
non-compliant staff.
That was the targeted audienceoriginally.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:00):
The whole reason this was invented by L.
Ron Hubbard was because he couldnot get the people that worked
at the headquarters to do whathe wanted them to do.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:10):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:11):
That was it.
That was the whole reason forthis being invented.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:15):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:15):
And when we were when I was reading the advices
and when I saw the things thatL.
Ron Hubbard wrote about it, itwas almost it would be insane to
think that this would be aScientology organization would
do this.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:29):
Oh God, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:30):
It was just for these people that it was just
like we got a bunch of shitheadshere.
There was a bunch of things inScientology that were made for
these people, by the way.
That there's another thingcalled the false purpose rundown
that was invented for the peoplethat worked for L.
Ron Hubbard.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:45):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:45):
And that's where you find out all the evil purposes
you have against L.
Ron Hubbard.
Okay.
So the running program, it wasat the AMP base.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:55):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:55):
And I remember that they did a study years and years
later of what happened toeverybody that did the running
program.
And one of the key things was avery, very wildly high
percentage of the people thathad done the running program

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escaped from the ant base.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:18):
Well, yeah.
I mean, after all that training,you've got a better success.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:22):
I was like, you guys think you'll go and catch me?
I just ran five hours straight.
I ran two marathons just now.
What you gonna do?

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:32):
Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:33):
And then I ended up leaving on a motorcycle.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:35):
Anyway, but but I remember that that coming up and
I thought about it, going, whywould that be?
And what happens is when you dothe when you do this, you
basically focus your your energyon the on the the pole or the
tree in our case.
In Clearwater in Florida, theyhave this set up at the flag

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building, and it's just a polewith lights on it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:01):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:01):
It's like a it's just a light beam, really.
A light beam pole.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:05):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:05):
And Hubbard said that he developed this.
This is another one, guys.
Okay?
I did the one space alienrundown I could do in
Scientology.
And this might be the reasonthat Xeno and the Homeboys is
such a big hit with me.
Is because uh Hubbard said thatthis was beings would um circle
around an object and they wouldgain energy from the object,

(01:05:29):
from the, you know, this they'rebasically creating an energy
force by the But it's also it'salso premised on the concept of
confusion and the stable datum.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:40):
So it's trite truism really at its at the base of it.
But it's the Hubbard concept ofif you have confusion, you just
need to focus on one singlestable datum.
And in this case, it's thecenter of the track, yeah.
And everything else will settleinto place.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:59):
Okay.
So I'll tell you, there was aton of people that couldn't do
it at the end base.
They would start and thenthey're they would find out, oh,
you have like horrible feet, oryour legs are gonna break if you
keep doing this.
Or whatever.
Um so when I did it, I saw a lotof these people coming and going

(01:06:22):
and being like, oh yeah, they'renot gonna do it.
They can't, physically can't doit.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:26):
And so for me, isn't it true that at the time that
you did the program, NormanStarkey was doing the program
twelve hours a day?

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:34):
Um I don't remember.
I mean, there was a ton ofpeople.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:37):
Also, the also The reason I remember is because the
person who was in charge of therunning program was this
elderly, super nice gentleman bythe name of Clive Hill.
And I remember because I was inthe staff training and the I was
in the department that wasoverseeing that program, even if
I wasn't directly involved.

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But I clearly remember thatClive got in so much trouble
because David Miscavige wentdown to do an inspection of the
running track and Norman wasasleep.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:11):
Well, okay.
So now this is what I was gonnasay.
It says you're supposed to runor walk or whatever to
exhaustion and then take a rest.
It basically says take a breakor take a rest.
Yes.
One of the two, or both.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:26):
But you need to take a break and rest and then be
able to go back out there again.
And C org members, even if youwere on the running program, you
could still be doing anall-nighter or you could still
be up late or whatever on yourjob.
Yeah.
You did this five hours a day or12 hours a day, and then you
still had to do your Scientologyjob after that.
It wasn't like you get off thehook.

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You still got to do some work.
And so when people would rest,they would go to take a nap.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:55):
Yeah.
And so sometimes it's not eventaking a nap when you're a
member of the C organization.
It's literally like a wave ofunconsciousness.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:02):
No, you could sit down and fall into the street.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:04):
It's not like you lay down and go, hmm, I wonder
if I'm gonna be able to take anap.
It's like boom, like more likestates of unconsciousness than
actually taking a nap.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:15):
But also in reality.
At the time I did it, I clearlyknew that I was doing this
because I wasn't I wasn'tstaying in the track of a
standard Search member.
I was veering off and all that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:29):
They were trying to cure you of the city.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:31):
I was basically like, I'm gonna do what I know
how to do, and we're gonna do itlike that, and we'll figure out
the the the the paperwork later.
Anyway.
But there were so many peopledoing the running program at
that time that it was just likepoof, poof, poof, a new person
would show up, and they were allthe usual suspects.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:51):
Um but I remember walking in take to take a rest,
and there was no place to bebecause everybody was sprawled
out in there, and there's likesome chairs and there was a few
years.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:02):
What do you expect when it's 110 degrees outside,
and you're already talking aboutpeople who are barely getting
like seven hours sleep on a goodday and absolutely malnourished,
not not, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:14):
Okay, now this is the best part of this though.
So you got all these peoplesleeping.
Well, the dude that's runningthis place, Clive, Clive Hill,
he's gotta be in his 70s or 80seven.
He's an old guy.
Yeah for for me.
I was just a teenager, and hewould also be sleeping at his
desk.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:35):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:35):
So he would be asleep, and everybody else in
there would be asleep.
And this could go for an hour ortwo.
You could literally you couldliterally run a little bit after
lunch, yeah, go in there andsleep until dinner time.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:50):
Yeah, and and for context, so we're talking about
the gold headquarters.
So it's a 500-acre compound.
Where this was located was uh uhsuper on the far south end of
the property, right?
Yeah, the it was on the uh likeit was far away from any
building.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:09):
They it was near the Cine shooting studio and but
still a good walk from there.
Not I mean not that much, but itwas it was very close to that
comparative to everything else.
But it was the furthest it couldpossibly be from where
management and all those guyswould walk.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:26):
Yes, and my point being that it was not visited
very often.
It was kind of like, you know,off the beaten path.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:35):
Yeah, it wasn't some and also if you weren't on the
running program, you weren'tallowed to be down there.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:42):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:43):
It was like, no, no, no, only the people that are
doing this can do it.
Because it was a pilot, yeah, itwas still kind of confidential
and you weren't supposed to talkabout it with other people.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:52):
You were just supposed to go down there and do
it.
So it was kind of like a littlesecret thing that people were
doing.
And they would, you know, everyday you'd have to write a daily
report and be like, eh, I ran alittle bit today, my foot's
acting up a little again, blah,blah, blah.
I need new shoes for the thirdtime because I burned through so
many pairs of these.
Um and so you would do you woulddo your thing, and you're right.

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I don't really when I was doingit, I don't really remember
anyone ever coming down therethat wasn't on the running
program.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:23):
And I wasn't there when when uh Dave showed up or
anything like that, because Iwas if he would have showed up,
I probably would have beensnoozed out somewhere.
I would have got in trouble.
I would have remembered that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:35):
I I remember it so distinctly because of the fact
that when David Miscavige foundNorman Starkey sleeping, I mean,
again, by that point, Norman wasin his 60s and he's being made
to run around a pole twelvehours a day.
Um and but the reason so Clivegot in a lot of trouble, and
that's why I was then studyingup on all the advices because I

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was supposed to take Clive's payplace.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:00):
I got it.
Yeah, and then he did he endedup staying there for the rest of
the time, I think.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:03):
Yeah, he did.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:04):
Um anyway, that's what the running program is.
Yeah, you run around a pole.
That's it.
There's no and there's verylittle reading.
You read a few things, basicallyhow to do it, yep.
And what you're supposed towhat's supposed to happen and
what what you're supposed to bedoing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:21):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:21):
And then um, and then you just run and you just
do that.
And every day you write yourdaily report.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:27):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:27):
And then when you can basically run full blast
with uh without ever gettingexhausted, then you're done.
Yeah.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:37):
So for anyone listening who's actually done
it, I'd be curious to know whatit is.
What the cost is currently todayor recently, and what your
experience was like to whatwe're talking about.
But let's go back to the slides,because that's not even the main
point of what why we're bringingthis up.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:57):
So here's the guy, and there's a picture of him,
and it says 11,979.
Now I'm assuming that this guyor this gal is the one who said
this.
This is their quote.
And even if it's not, they ohno, it's the 12,000th.
So it's her.
It's her.
She says the cause of turn downis nearing the 12,000th.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:20):
I just finished it for the third time.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:22):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:22):
So it's probably him, and then the 12,000th came
in.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:26):
Yeah.
So we're we're gonna go with theassumption that it's him.
Yes.
But either way, the point being,this building, uh flag, opened
in November 2013.
So 12 years ago.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:37):
Yeah, but also this is a course that any
Scientologist or rundown thatany Scientologist can do at any
point on the bridge to totalfreedom that goes from the the
very early stages of Scientologyall the way up to the OT levels,
all the way to the top.
There's certain courses you'renot allowed to do at certain

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steps, and and you have to doeverything in order.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:05):
Yeah, most in fact, most things in Scientology when
it comes to counseling andrundowns, yeah, you cannot
you're supposed to only do themonce.
You're not supposed to do themover again unless there was
something.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:16):
And in and in an exact sequence.
Yes.
You're supposed to do them youbecause you learn about this,
and then you learn a little bitmore about that.
And then you learn about anotherthing, and it kind of goes like
this sort of wacky progressionof nonsense.
Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:32):
But this is not like that.
This, as this guy notes, yeah,he's finishing it for the third
time.
Yeah, and this is not 12,000individuals.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:43):
Well, yeah, but that's also because you could do
it in any place, it is expectedthat if you're a dedicated
Scientologist, you do thisprogram at least once.
Yeah.
You should do that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:54):
Well, go to the next slide, because we even so we so
this is from a booklet that wasput out in 2013 when they
announced the the new flagbuilding, which is in the
picture.
So, according to this book, thebuilding was designed to
incorporate every aspect of thecause resurgence rundown, which
had never been publiclyavailable prior to this time.

(01:15:16):
Yep, from all support andadministrative space to the
central delivery area itself.
Okay.
So this is pictures of thereception area.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:27):
And I just want to say it's a lot of places to rest
in there.
I'm looking at all I'm I'meyeballing all those benches.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:33):
Can we just pause and reflect back?
Remember, we did the episodestalking about severance.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:39):
Oh, yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:40):
This is right out of severance.
Uh, cause resurgence rundown.
An entire floor of the flagbuilding is devoted to the cause
resurgence rundown.
It is an OT operating thetanaction that is not limited to
operating thetans.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:55):
Yeah, let's not forget operating thetans are
cause over matter, energy,space, and time.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:01):
And of course, for anyone who doesn't know or is
new here, OT is the term forpeople who have done uh uh
they've reached the state ofclear and have now advanced onto
the upper levels of Scientology.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:15):
This is where you get your Scientology
superpowers.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:18):
It's also where you get to learn about our buddies
inu.
Uh okay.
Oh no, no, go back.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:23):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:24):
Um moreover, it can be done many times and at many
points on the bridge withenormously greater gains
available, the higher ones levelof case.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:34):
So basically they want you to do the course, the
program, the rundown, therundown.
Yeah, they want you to do it nomatter where you are.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:43):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:44):
So if you're like brand new into Scientology, you
can do it.
And then once you get throughyour grades or your a bunch of
training, you can do it again.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:53):
And then once you get into your OT level.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:56):
Just imagine somebody finishes OT3 and it's
like, oh, you go to see theregistrar as you do after you
finish everything.
Anything.
You go to see the registrar.
So, Mark, congratulations, youfinished OT3.
So let's get you signed up forOT4.
You're in the non-interferencezone.
We've we can't have you stallout, and you say, Oh, I can't

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afford that right now.
Well, guess what?
Yeah, you can do the causeresurgence rundown.
How about that?

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:25):
And then you're like, Great, I'm gonna have to
wear one of those jumpsuits theygot going for those guys.
They do have special jumpsuitsfor these guys and apparel and
everything.
And um, but so back to the pointwith the Scientology guys is
that Scientologists say theyhave millions and millions of

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members.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:48):
Okay.
If every Scientologist isexpected to do this rundown and
12,000 people have done it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:56):
Not 12,000 people.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:57):
Well, and some of those twelve thousand had done
it three or four times.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:01):
Yeah.
Maybe even more.
Who knows?

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:04):
But also I was wondering, did they count us
too?
Because we everybody at thebase, because it was only maybe
when I did it, there had maybebeen 50 people that had done it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:16):
When I did it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:17):
Good question.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:18):
So it was very, very like they had it, they had an
old running program at the basein in the early, early 80s, or
in the mid eighties, I guess, orwhatever.
And they just ran around a pole.
It wasn't even a tree, it wasjust a pole, like a metal fence
pole.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:36):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:36):
And it was a n it was just dirt, it wasn't a a
proper track.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:40):
Yeah, no, you're reminding me actually that Mark
Fisher told me about doing it.
I think he did it in LA, if I'mnot mistaken, around a pole.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:48):
Yeah, they had it in Los Angeles when there was a
place that did these pilots, itwas called New World Core.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:53):
That's right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:54):
And they were the ones that um that basically
delivered these pilotScientology courses.
And there was a one in LosAngeles.
That's where people did realearly key to life and life
orientation course and therunning program and stuff like
that.
So it just shows you if you're adedicated Scientologist that's

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moving up the bridge, whichwould generally in Scientology,
that's what's defined as aScientologist, then you should
have done this.
And if twelve if they're up totwelve thousand, that really
shows their sizes becausethere's not that many people
who've done this.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:35):
And also, if they're at twelve thousand, that's wild.
How long's this place been therefor?
Yeah, it's less than it's tenyears at least.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:44):
Well, yeah, no, it opened in November 2013.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:47):
Okay, so 13 years this place has been opened, then
if you're getting that'sbasically a hundred people a
year have done it.
A hundred.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:56):
A thousand.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:58):
What do you mean?
Twelve thousand.
Oh yeah, a hundred people in amonth.
Well then they what is that?
That's ten that's like a it'snot even it's a handful of
people a month.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:05):
Yeah.
And factor in that again, as iseven stated in their promotion,
a lot of these people are havebeen expected to do it multiple
times.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:14):
Yeah, so so the the math is horrible.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:17):
It is horrible.
It's horrible the amount ofpeople Especially considering
that this is uh I want to say Isaw somewhere, but this the
construction of this buildingwas$145 million ballpark.
And there's an entire floor ofthe flag building dedicated to
the cause resurgence rundown.
So it's just crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:39):
Anyway, they know they don't have a lot of people.
This is another proof of it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:44):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:44):
The kids thing is another factor that points to
this.
Yeah.
Scientology is never gonna beable to operate with the
internet in place.
Yeah.
And if and if you want to dosomething fun, um, I don't know
about other AI uh services, butif you go on X and you use Grok

(01:21:07):
or Super Grok or whatever, andyou ask it about Scientology,
um, it's not getting its infofrom Scientology.
Okay.
And this is one thing that Ilove to joke about and talk
about on the on the YouTubes isthat all of our videos and
everything that we've posted onScientology is getting scraped

(01:21:32):
by the AI things.
So there's not a lot of realsubstance about Scientology on
the internet that's provided byScientology.
Right.
And the amount of informationthat says it's not good and
they're do they're up tononsense and they're
trafficking, all kinds of crazythings.

(01:21:54):
All these AI bots know that.
So kids coming up, the more andmore the young people that are
technology savvy are able tofind out about Scientology, it's
inoculating them, even ifthey're the children of
Scientologists in a lot ofcases.
Because a lot of times we'retalking about stuff that

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happened 20 years or 30 years or40 years ago, and some of the
parents of these kids were theredoing those things.
And they were in the guardian'soffice, or they were in the this
or they're into that.
So there's a lot of informationabout Scientology, factual
information about Scientology,that Scientology is not

(01:22:36):
contributing to at all.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:39):
Which is good.
We like that.
Um, okay, you want to do somequestions?

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:44):
Yes, let's do it.
Thanks to everybody who hastuned in with us this fine
Sunday.
Again, we felt it both of thesetopics, especially for me
personally.
Well, it was important to youtoo on the kids, but power lies
to paralyze.
Question How do you know whenyou're done running around the
pole?
Well, again, that has to do withwhen you can run.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:05):
Yeah, I I think that's it's basically when you
can run and you never getexhausted.
Like the like I think even whenI did it, I ran f around for a
whole day, and then they werelike, okay, we'll see what
happens tomorrow.
And then I came back the nextday and ran all day, and then
came back the next day and ranall day, and then it was like,

(01:23:27):
what do what are we doing here?
Like I did this three days in arow for five hours.
Yeah, I'm good.
There's no you got you gotnothing else for me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:35):
Yeah.
I can I can I've I'm sure thethe uh statement is something to
the effect that your cause overyour body and the physical
universe, and you can keep doingthis for the rest of time.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:48):
Here's a hack for any of you Scientologists out
there.
If you're doing something andyou're getting rid of something
on a rundown in Scientology, thecognition at the end is I done
got rid of them all.
And that's it.
It's that for everything.
If you have like on this, oh, Iwas effect and I wasn't cause
and did it.
So that at the end of this, yougo, you know what?
I just realized I'm cause overeverything on all dynamics.

(01:24:11):
Like, you're done.
That's it.
It's always that.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:14):
It's not here's your side.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:17):
Hubbard didn't go too far on uh what he wanted
from these people to completethese things.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:22):
Yeah.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:24):
What's this one?

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:25):
Okay, love it.
Did you catch the ID 12 tribesdocumentary?
So much reminded me ofScientology.
Oh, nope, I didn't.
I will check that out.
Twelve tribes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:36):
Nice.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:36):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:37):
Oh, here we go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:38):
Angela, thanks, Catherine Olson.
You just saved us all lots ofmoney.
Oh, she probably told himsomething like what do you have
to do and do the this and thethat's Trevanon might as well
also spill the beans on theright cognition for OT eight.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:53):
I think we've actually done on our channel,
we've covered all the differentlevels and everything and what
you kind of do.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:00):
And in a lot of those cases, we've told them you
just have to say this and you'regood.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:05):
Uh OT eight is I realized that I'm a god and that
I created everything, all theBTs, Zenu.
I did it all.
I created everything.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:17):
I'm aware of it Maybe, maybe while you're gone,
Clara and I will do a deep diveon the the bridge to total
freedom because it says on thereeach level, what it is, we can
say it, and then Clara can askme all the questions.
And then we could also do thatwith the chart of human
evaluation.
That would be prettyinteresting.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:34):
Well, to show that thing that we just talked about,
too.
Doesn't want auditing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:38):
Right.
No, that's what I'm saying.
Anyway, uh it's a thought.
If you like the thought, let meknow.
Trevinon, does anyone know theright cognition?
Let's make OSA people watchinghappy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:47):
Oh, yeah.
That's the other thing.
Yeah.
So on the cognition for thisone, it is the cause resurgence
rundown.
It is I'm cause.
It's also I'm I'm I now know I'mcause over the body because I
can make it do this and nothinghappens.
I it won't get exhausted.

(01:26:08):
I can control it any way I want.
And so it it doesn't have powerover me.
I have power over it.
And um we I I'm positive we didthis because we were talking
about the the when you're doingum the dianetics, the cognition
of dianetics is I created the orI created all these engrams and

(01:26:31):
I've No, you created your ownreactive mind.
I created my own reactive mind,and now I don't have any
reactive mind or engrams.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:38):
Right.
That's when you reach the stateof clear.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:40):
Yeah.
So when you do these things,whatever you're trying to get
rid of, the cognition's looselyis around that area.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:48):
And also There's only there's only a few that are
not.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:52):
Well, I know, but a lot of these are open to
interpretation.
So if you say something aroundthe words of the actual stated
cognition, that Al Ron Hubbardsays the person doing this has
to say this phrase.
When they say this phrase orsomething around it, that means
don't do it anymore.
Yeah.
And that's another thing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:11):
And there's only one process in Scientology where the
end phenomena was a veryspecific.
Well, I guess the clear cog isalso a very specific statement,
but the only other one was theclay table processing uh that
you do on Key to Life, um, theKey to Life course, which is all

(01:27:32):
about problems, um, you know,whatever.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:36):
Let's not forget about the clay table, guys.

unknown (01:27:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:39):
If your religion doesn't have your group doesn't
have a clay table, forget it,man.
These guys have got clay tables,okay?
You can go to the Scientologyorganization and play with clay,
and you're doing it right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:55):
Yeah, I just remember that being super
annoying because I did thatprocessing for like a hundred.
Hours.
Anyway, back to back toquestions here.
All right.
Catherine says, Angela, yes, butyou just do it for a certain
amount daily, then come back thenext day and keep going.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:13):
Yeah, you do you do this program, you do it every
single day.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:18):
For hours and hours a day.
I think the minimum you can doit in a day is five hours.
It is.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:23):
And that's considered a part-time schedule
or 12 hours a day.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:27):
Yeah, five or twelve, I think.
I just I don't know about the 12part.
Oh, because you got meals inthere too.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:32):
So no, it was definitely I know.
I know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:36):
Okay, take it easy.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:38):
Take it easy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:39):
Um, this is a great one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:42):
Okay, Brian, question Do young children file
knowledge reports on theirparents?
Or are there other ways thatthey are used as inside sources
for information on members?
Yes, absolutely, young children.
100% and also report on them.
And it it's made very clear toyou, even as a young child, that

(01:29:03):
if you don't report on yourparents or your friends, then
you will suffer the sameconsequences for whatever crime
they committed.
That's 100% indoctrinated fromday one in Scientology, no
matter your age.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:17):
And there's a lot of times if kids are in the if your
kids, your Scientology kids arein the C organization, and they
come to visit you for Christmasor some event, and they see
anything that's like, what thewhat?
You know, like, oh, my my dadhad a a pot brownie on the
counter or anything, thenthey're like, when they get

(01:29:40):
back, they write it up.
And then the parents get lit up.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:42):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:44):
Not cool.
Not cool.
Snitches get stitches.
Okay.
Oh, Jacob Hart.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:49):
Okay, Jacob, got my ticket for HowdyCon.
Looking forward to seeing you,Claire and Mark, if you're there
too.
I only saw Claire listed as aconfirmed speaker.
Yay! It'll be awesome to meetyou in person.
And yes, uh, Jacob is of coursereferring to HowdyCon.
If you haven't heard of that,um, it's on there's a website.
Alex, Phil Jones, and Patty havebeen.

(01:30:10):
I'll put a link in thedescription.
There you go.
Clara, your help would be soappreciated.
Anyway, um, yeah, I haven'tcommitted Mark to attending yet
because of this challenging workschedule, but I'm I will
absolutely be there.
So uh Angel Cat, how differentdo you think Scientology numbers
would be if they hadn't stoppedallowing children?

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:33):
I think it I don't know.
It's uh that's a hard thing tobecause the kid because they
were having so many kids, thekids were pulling the the
parents out of science out ofthe Sea Org or staff or the kids
were making it so they werelosing the parents.
Right.
Because the parents would belike, I gotta take care of my
kid, and I can't feed him if Iwork here because you guys are

(01:30:55):
paying me 27 cents a week.
And if you were in the C org,there were so many kids of of C
org members that the kids werebasically out of control.
They had they had one or twoadults to 70 kids and all ages,
and the kids were often Well,the ages were specifically six
weeks old up to fourteen orfifteen, at which age they were

(01:31:19):
expected to join the SeaOrganize.
Yeah, anyway, so I don't I thinkThat's a good question, but I I
think it probably would be lessbecause of that.
They were basically if you hadone kid, you were losing two
parents.
So it was like we gotta stopthis.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:38):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (01:31:39):
But then instead of going to get this the children
of Sea Org members, they justmoved to get the children of
Scientologists.
Right.
And that was all they werealways.
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:48):
Like between your sister and my two sisters and my
brother, that's there's eightchildren right there.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:56):
That, you know, unfortunately are are nieces and
nephews.
Anyway.
Yeah, there you go.
All right.
Uh apostate Alex in the house,comment 12,000 completions since
it was released in 2013.
That's an average of 17 people aweek.

unknown (01:32:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:11):
So much 17 completions a week, of which you
can do it multiple times.
So God only knows how I mean, Iwonder what's the most somebody
has done that rundown.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:22):
And did they can't start the counter at zero.
Yeah, exactly.
Or did they add all the otherpeople who did it from when it
was written?
I think it was written in theearly 1980s, I want to say.
Elrun Hubbard, or late 70s orearly 18th.
Early 1980s when he wrote allthis up.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:37):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:38):
And from that point to when it was released at Flag,
it was a pilot.
And by that time, hundreds andhundreds of people could have
done it already.

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:49):
Right.
And it if it's like the state ofclear, then they started at one
and they're not.
That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:54):
That's why I'm like, it's it's kind of those numbers.
That's why I'm saying if you didit, if people even did it twice
or three or four times, thenthat figure of actual
Scientologists who've done itcould be five thousand or even
less.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:10):
The other the other critical thing that is uh built
into this is the cause ofsurgeons rundown, aka the
running program, is a revenuegenerator that does not involve
one-on-one counseling.
So therefore, the cost ofadministration for Scientology
is basically you know the costof one or two Sea Org members.

(01:33:32):
Uh, you know, so what are wetalking?
$80 a week?
That's why I'm interested toknow what they're charging for
it currently.
But anyway, there you go.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:41):
It's wild.
I was looking something up.
So how five hours five hours ofrunning typically covers between
twenty five and thirty-fivemiles, depending on your pace.
So when I I remember we timed itwhen I was doing this because we
went to the um we went to the arunning track or we did

(01:34:04):
something else where we knewwhere the markers were on how
long it was.
Yeah.
And I think I did a four-minutemile easily.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:11):
Nice.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:12):
Like it was like if you're running five hours a day,
you're pretty much a good thing.
And I think I was on it for God,I think it was on it for maybe
two months or so.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:23):
I think so.
Two or three months.
I just remember you making acomment that your um My your
your butt was more tanner.
Yeah.
I remember that moment veryclearly.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:38):
I was wearing some of those Richard Simmons short
shorts with just shoes, nosocks, just shoes, and no shirt
and and small shorts.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:48):
And you do that for three months in the in the
desert summer.
You had one heck of a I was skinand bones too.
There wasn't an ounce of fat.
I got it all back.
I ate that kid.

SPEAKER_00 (01:35:02):
Um here we go.
Okay.
Question Hold on, let me getback here.
Okay.
Uh where when you guys wereminors, did they make you work
far beyond what is legallyallowed for their ages?
100%.
I how old were you the firsttime you did an all-nighter?
I was sixteen.

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:20):
Um I was probably sixteen.

SPEAKER_00 (01:35:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:24):
But I mean, I was working at sixteen.
I was working a hundred andtwenty hours a week, basically.
At sixteen.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:35:32):
You're not even and every Wednesday night we would
stay up until like two or fouro'clock in the morning.

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:37):
Wednesday night was always an all-nighter.

SPEAKER_00 (01:35:40):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:41):
You'd at least stay up to like three or four on a
Wednesday, no matter what.

SPEAKER_01 (01:35:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:46):
Because you gotta get the statistics up for
Thursday at two o'clock the thethe two p.m.
the the cutoff for anything youwere doing during the week is
Thursday at two p.m.
So if you're uh making widgetsand you made five hundred
widgets last week, you gottamake five hundred and one
widgets no matter what byThursday at two p.m.

(01:36:07):
And if you're going intoWednesday night with 400
widgets, you got some widgets tobe making.

SPEAKER_00 (01:36:12):
Yeah, I t I took it as an extreme therapeutic marker
when I no longer even realizedit was Thursday, let alone
noticed the passing of 2 p.m.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:23):
You know, that was a fun thing when we first escaped,
we first escaped, and we were inKansas City, and we would
basically go stir crazy afterdinner because you'd work during
the day.
We were trying to be like, let'sdo what people do.
We're gonna work during the day,and then we're not gonna work at
the end.

SPEAKER_00 (01:36:41):
We're going to try to be normal.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:43):
We would literally be like, This is what we're this
is the objective.
And after five o'clock, you'relike, you're Jones in for
something to do.

SPEAKER_00 (01:36:51):
You're like, Oh my gosh, what am I supposed to do?

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:53):
And then you're gonna watch a movie.
That was our basic uh our hackwas yeah, if you can watch two
or three movies a day, it'llburn up that time.

SPEAKER_00 (01:37:01):
Yeah.
So some so I I talked last weekabout how I started a Substack,
which is where I'll post newsabout my book and all that.
But the funny thing is that fromthat, I had um a friend reach
out who had knew who knew me asa mom, um, only as a mom when we
were living in Burbank,California.
And um, you know, our sons wouldhave play dates or whatever, you

(01:37:24):
know.
Anyway, she was like, Oh mygosh, I had no idea about any of
this.
And I said, Well, yeah, that wasa little bit intentional on our
part because, you know, we werejust trying to build our lives
from absolutely nothing and youknow, just try to get on, you
know, experience life in thereal world as a normal person.

(01:37:47):
And uh, and obviously I hadyoung kids, I wasn't gonna be
like, yeah, I was in a cult for30 years, you know.
She was but anyway, it was justinteresting.
She was like, I'm sorry, I hadno idea.
I'm like, no, no, that was thatwas the idea.

SPEAKER_03 (01:38:01):
Yeah, it is kind of crazy.
And also, if your kids are doingthese Scientology courses and
they're doing all this otherstuff, you basically learn that
whatever's good for Scientologyis something good for you to do.
And if it's bad for Scientology,then you shouldn't do that.

(01:38:21):
So when you learn all this stuffand they say, Okay, you're 15,
you're 16, it's time to join theC org, you're by that time, if
you've been doing this for anyamount, even five, six years
since you were 10, you know Ibetter do this, otherwise this
is gonna be really bad.
It's not gonna work for myfamily if I don't do this.

(01:38:44):
And so you're very pressured.
And the parents, in a lot ofcases, also are very pressured
to give their kids to the sea orsomething.

SPEAKER_00 (01:38:53):
Oh, absolutely.
The parents are not allowed tosay no, or if they do, then
there's knowledge reports startflying and all this other stuff.
It it's just all around a verydangerous environment for
children.
There you go.

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:07):
Oh, here's an apostate Alex.

SPEAKER_00 (01:39:09):
Apostate Alex, that's why I wanted to do this
course so bad.
It was pitched as giving you OTabilities without having to do
the OT levels.
Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:17):
That is how they couch it.
That's see, that's crazy though,right?
You're like, oh, I want to dothat.
I've heard these guys are justlike their postulates are on
superpower level 50.

SPEAKER_00 (01:39:29):
Right.
And then you go and you're like,you run around a freaking pole
versus the cheap route to, youknow, if you can't afford the OT
levels, then hey, this is uh anacceptable temporary equivalent
that will give you a taste.

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:43):
Yeah, and if you're a plus size person, good luck.
Your feet, your your feet andyour ankles and your knees and
your hips are gonna getdestroyed by doing this.

SPEAKER_02 (01:39:54):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:54):
And you basically you could have long-lasting
injuries from doing if you'renot spent.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:02):
That's what happened to you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40:03):
Well, I know I'm saying, but if you ain't meant
to be running full-time, you'reuh to for me, I have horrible
back problems.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:10):
But also when you had a knee injury and the doctor
told you you had the knees of an80-year-old man.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40:18):
Yeah.
Well, that was just from justbad taking just working on your
feet all day, all night.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:24):
But I'm sure running five hours a day for three
months didn't help.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40:26):
Well, yeah, but I'm just saying it was it was the
whole package.
Yeah, it was being on your feetand walking around that property
for 18 hours a day for 15 years.
I didn't always have amotorcycle.
No uh Okay, I think we did it,guys.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:43):
All right, we made it to the end.
Thanks to everybody who joinedus this fine Sunday.
Sorry, it was a deep, darktopic, but it's something that
needed to be talked about.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40:52):
Yeah, and also we both we both have a lot of
information on this one.
So between the the kids' coursesand the cause of surgeons
rundown, um, you're not gonnaget the straight scoop about
this from anybody that could becloser to all of this in many
different ways.
So we we thought we should dothis one and do a deep dive on

(01:41:16):
these two things because it iskind of like it's it's kind of
uh horrible.
It's what they're doing, eventhis cause resurgence.

SPEAKER_00 (01:41:28):
Um intentionally targeting young people that are
vulnerable and should not beanywhere near a dangerous cult.

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:38):
Yeah.
So yes, guys.
Well, as I um we don't reallymention this awesome, it's in
the end uh end video, butthere's a lot of people that are
watching that aren't subscribed.
We used to do a thing, I don'twe might do it again, when every
time we hit a thousand, anotherthousand subscribers, we do a
giveaway.
We haven't been doing giveawayslike we used to do.

SPEAKER_01 (01:42:01):
True.

SPEAKER_03 (01:42:01):
So if you want us to do giveaways again, we gotta do
it with subscriber counts.
So if you want to do a giveaway,and we'll do five giveaways when
we get to the next thousandsubscribers.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:42:15):
So of your book or of Davy, fake Navy Davy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:42:18):
We're gonna do fake Navy Davies.
Five people get fake NavyDavies.
Perfect.
My warehouse is filled withthese fake Navy Davies.
We gotta move.
Yeah, we're getting throughthem.
We're getting those.

SPEAKER_00 (01:42:29):
And by the way, people have s started sending in
pictures again.
So perfect.
Yeah, we would start amassingthose and yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:42:36):
We'll show those, we'll start doing fake Navy
Davies, Captain Chucklesworth,Captain Whack from TGAC,
whatever you call him.
He's got many names, but it'sthis little guy right here.
Everybody deserves one of these,and these are, I'm telling you,
the best pet toy.
Cats, dogs, chinchillas,whatever you got going, they

(01:42:57):
love these things.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:42:59):
We've seen hundreds of pictures to document this as
a fact.

SPEAKER_03 (01:43:02):
Sugar gliders, nice.
They love it.
Everybody get should get don'tdo the sugar gliders.
The sugar gliders will just eatthis thing to shreds.
Not recommended.
No, do as do as you do, not as Isay.
Um, but the but the cat anddogs, they love them.
Sprinkle a little bit of the catnip on this guy and give it to

(01:43:22):
your cat, and your cat will loveyou forever.
Yes, the cat will cuddle rightup next to you after that.
It'll love it.
Um, okay, guys, if you want toum, you know, put some nonsense
in the comments or say bye or hior hello or whatever, we usually
will play that during the endad.
So everybody gets a chance.

SPEAKER_00 (01:43:42):
Either way, we're super grateful to everyone
tuning in today.

SPEAKER_03 (01:43:46):
Um Alex says may cause harm and distress.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:43:50):
May cause alarm and distress.

SPEAKER_03 (01:43:51):
In the United Kingdom, the Church of
Scientology has claimed thatCaptain Wack from TGAC, fake
Navy Davy, Captain Chucklesworthcauses alarm and distress
because they're it's a it's it'ssupposedly they may be
triggered.

SPEAKER_00 (01:44:08):
You know what?
David Miscavige definitelycauses alarm and distress, so
perhaps that's whyScientologists are alleging that
it causes alarm and distressbecause it's re-stimulating
their interactions with DavidMiscavige.

SPEAKER_03 (01:44:21):
To be fair, he doesn't rock such a an awesome
little top like this guy does.

SPEAKER_00 (01:44:25):
No.

SPEAKER_03 (01:44:26):
So this guy's m cooler.

SPEAKER_00 (01:44:28):
Yep.

unknown (01:44:30):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:44:31):
For sure.

SPEAKER_03 (01:44:33):
Thank you for everybody who participated.
Definitely let us know in thecomments where you guys are
from.
If you're on the replay crew, welike it when you guys say where
you're watching from too, so wecan get an idea and we can
double check these YouTubestatistics that they're sending
us.

SPEAKER_00 (01:44:48):
For sure.

SPEAKER_03 (01:44:49):
Okay, guys, thanks until next time.

SPEAKER_00 (01:44:51):
Bye.

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