Space Cootie Detector Built By Ten-Year-Olds - Secrets of Scientology #11 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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SPEAKER_04 (00:25):
Hey everybody, welcome back to Blown for Good,
Scientology Exposed.
I'm here today with my lovelywife, Claire.

SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
Hi, everybody.
Happy Sunday.
Good to see everybody here.
Thanks for joining us today.

SPEAKER_04 (00:39):
Today we have a very exciting episode.

SPEAKER_00 (00:42):
We sure do.
Oh my goodness.
Buckle up.

SPEAKER_04 (00:46):
So we promised that we would get an e-meter and we'd
open it up for you guys and showyou what was inside that little
puppy.
And um, before we get into thee-meter, we got it right here,
ready to be ripped open.
Um why don't you tell them theirScientology, um they have a
dictionary.
They have actually a fewdictionaries.

(01:07):
They have a managementdictionary and then they have a
technical dictionary.
Yeah.
And why don't you go ahead andread them the definition of an
e-meter per their dictionary?

SPEAKER_00 (01:16):
Yes.
All right.
So here we go.
E-meter one.
The e-meter is a religiousartifact used as a spiritual
guide in the churchconfessional.
It is an aid to the auditor,minister, student, pastoral,
counselor into a communicationlocating areas of spiritual

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travail and indicating spiritualwell-being in an area.
Hubbard electrometer, anelectronic instrument for
measuring mental state andchange of state in individuals
as an aid to precision and speedin auditing.
The e-meter is not intended oreffective for the diagnosis,

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treatment, or prevention of anydisease.
Oh, but OT5 cures cancer.
Not, but according to L.
Ron Hubbard.

SPEAKER_04 (02:08):
We'll do a little bit more.

SPEAKER_00 (02:09):
All right, we'll break it down.
Okay.
Three.
Use to verify the preclear'sgain and register when each
separate auditing action isended.
Electropsychometer is anotherword for it.
The meter tells you what thepreclear's mind is doing when
the preclear is made to think ofsomething.
The meter registers before thepreclear becomes conscious of

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the datum.
It is therefore a pre-consciousmeter.
It passes a tiny current throughthe preclear's body.
This current is influenced bythe mental masses, pictures,
circuits, and machinerymachinery.
When the unclear PC thinks ofsomething, these mental items
shift and this registers on themeter.

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There you go.
That's in Scientology on, oractually Hubbard's words, on the
e-meter.

SPEAKER_04 (02:59):
Yeah.
Well, now this part that theysaid where it doesn't diagnose
or cure any medical ailments,they had to put that in because
in the 50s, the FDA raided aScientology uh center, I think
it was in Washington, D.C.
And they took all the e-meters.
Because at the time, Hubbard wasslinging this idea that if you

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were clear, then you would youwouldn't have any ailments.
You could cure any of yourailments.
And the way they were gettingpeople clear was they were using
an e-meter.
So in order for them to get thee-meters, there was a legal case
that went on for years, but theyactually had to put a plate on
the back of the e-meter.
It says in the in the law, inthis in the thing, that it

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actually has to be on the frontof the e-meter that says this
device doesn't do any of this.
Scientology kind of snuck aroundand put it on the back of the
e-meter.

SPEAKER_01 (03:55):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (03:55):
But it says right on the e-meter that it doesn't do
it doesn't cure any medicalillnesses, and that's because
the FDA required them to putthat on there.
Uh mental issues.

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Anyway, but the way the e-meteris positioned in Scientology is
as a highly technical precisioninstrument that they use.
And to be fair, mostrun-of-the-mill Scientologists
don't know that this is also aspace CODI dividing rod.

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They don't know that.
They only know when they get uhconfessionals that they ask you
a question, you're holding thecans, the the auditor or the
counselor or the interrogatorhas the meter in front of them
and um and they're running themeter and they're asking you
questions about something.

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And depending on the way the thee-meter reads, they go down a
line of questions, questioningor they say, Oh, what was that?
What did you just think rightthere?

SPEAKER_01 (05:09):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (05:10):
And that's how they sort of zero in on your
transgressions.
Now, once you get up, when doyou start auditing?
When do you start auditing whendo you start using this as a
space cooti dividing rod?
When do you try to hunt downaliens with the e-meter?

SPEAKER_00 (05:26):
Um on OT3.

SPEAKER_04 (05:28):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (05:28):
So on Operating Thetan level three.

SPEAKER_04 (05:31):
Okay, good.
So if you are talking to aScientologist and or if you're a
Scientologist, you're watchingthis and you're like, that's not
for finding space cooties.
That's because you ain't to OT3yet.
When you get to OT3, that's whenyou learn how to find space
cooties with this thing.
And the the reason they had tokeep upgrading, this is how

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David Miscavige sells it, andthis is how it was explained to
me.
And to be fair, I have I amtrained.
I did that professional TRscourse, and I did the e-meter
course where you learn how tooperate an e-meter, and then I
did a method one co-audit, whichI had to audit somebody else for
many, many weeks and weeks andweeks, every single day using an

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e-meter, and we were actuallyclearing misunderstood words.
And the only way you can be doneis if you have a floating
needle.

SPEAKER_01 (06:22):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (06:23):
And so we would have to go for hours and hours on
this thing.
And I was with another person,and and this is all in my book.
I'm pretty sure I wrote I didtell spike I did explain all
this in the book, too, right?
Most of it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Blow for good behind the ironcurtain Scientology.
Um anyway.
So I know how this works.

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But not only do I know how itworks, I shot every single film
that Scientology produced on howthe e-meter works, how to use
the e-meter, how to use thee-meter in drilling, in
coaching.

SPEAKER_00 (07:00):
You need to every every needle reaction, the
e-meter reads for every needlereaction of the e-meter,
exactly.
Which there are multiple.

SPEAKER_04 (07:08):
And if you go in on our channel and the videos that
Mitch Brisker and I did where wetalk about that, we talk about
how when you're filming how thee-meter works, you can't use a
real person to make those reads.
And what we had was we had anold laptop, an old Mac laptop,

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like a really old MacBook, likethe ones that were black
plastic, like an oldie.
And it had all these sound filesin it.
And instead of hooking up thecans of the electrodes that the
person holds, we just plugged anaudio cable into the same exact
jack.
It's a TRS jack, a tip ringsleeve or a guitar plug, for
example.

SPEAKER_00 (07:49):
Okay, now he's nerding out, folks.
Anyway.
Here we go.

SPEAKER_04 (07:52):
Anyway.
Um, so we would plug that intoit, and when when something was
supposed to happen on the needlewhile they were filming it on th
35 millimeter film, I would justpush play on the laptop, and it
would make the exact needle, theneedle do the exact read that we
needed it to do.

SPEAKER_00 (08:10):
So this was even like pre-simulator.

SPEAKER_04 (08:13):
Oh, 100%.
There's there was no that nowthey have a thing for when
you're when you're inScientology and you're learning
how to use the e-meter, theyhave a box, and that's where
they got the idea for this.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (08:24):
I know, that's what I'm realizing as you're talking.

SPEAKER_04 (08:27):
And they put it in a box, and you could just push a
button and it would do the read,the exact read the way it was
supposed to look.

SPEAKER_01 (08:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (08:34):
Anyway, all that to tell you that they bill this as
a very highly technicalprecision instrument that can
only be worked on by C orgmembers that are highly trained
in how the e-meter works and howto calibrate it and all that
stuff.
Right.
And the where that happened wasin the manufacturing division of

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Golden Era Productions, which Ialso worked in.
And many a time, theScientologists that use these,
they have to get them certifiedevery year.
Every year they have to send itto Golden Era Productions and it
has to go through the uh thee-meter uh production line and

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it has to be tested andcalibrated and make sure it's
all up to snuff.
They charge you$150 plusshipping.

SPEAKER_00 (09:25):
And this was known as silver certification.

SPEAKER_04 (09:29):
Yeah, the silver cert line.

SPEAKER_00 (09:30):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (09:31):
Now, for many, many years, nobody would send their
e-meters to Golden AirProductions because if they sent
it there, they'd never get itback.
Because Golden Air Productionsjust had stacks and stacks of
these e-meters everywhere.
And so and it used to be atBridge Publications in Los
Angeles used to do this, andthen they moved it to Golden Air
Productions in the middle of theCalifornia desert.

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And um because that'd be so mucheasier to get in and out of.
So when they when they wouldsend them in, it would take
sometimes months or even a yearfor them to get their e-meter
back.
So David Miscavige instituted anew rule, and that was any

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e-meter that came in had to bein and out of Golden Era
Productions in 48 hours.
And it was called the 48-hourline.
And so if the 100 meters camein, a hundred meters had to go
out in the next 48 hours, andthey would log them the time
they came in, and if one meterwent over, then everybody in the

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meter department, their statswould be counted as zero or
minuses or penalty points orwhatever.
Now, there was only so manypeople that worked on this line,
and the same people that wereresponsible for checking and
making sure existing meters thatwere being used by
Scientologists were up to snuff,but they were the also the same

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people that made new e-metersfor new people that wanted to
buy them.
And the way that that area wasstaffed, they could either do
one or the other.
They could never do both.
So if if orgs were running outof e-meters and Goldenera needed
to make more, then they'd haveto work on making them.

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And then if a whole bunch ofe-meters came in, they it was
like, nope, we're not making newnew meters because we've got to
get these, we only have 48 hoursto get these things.
And so it was always thisconstant struggle.
So what they did, this highlyprecision instrument.
In Golden Air Productions, we'dhave this thing called all
hands.
Now, in the C organization,anybody who's in the C

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organization in Scientology,those are the billion con
billion-year contract folks.
They all have all hands.
Whatever area is not pullingtheir own way, everybody piles
into that area or division, andthey do the work that those
people are supposed to do untileverything's caught up.

unknown (12:05):
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 (12:05):
Yeah, which is according to the policy on not
duns, half duns, and backlogs.
This is Hubbard writing on whatyou do if there's any kind of a
backlog in an organization.

SPEAKER_04 (12:18):
And they he specifically says in there, you
call in all hands.

SPEAKER_00 (12:22):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (12:23):
Okay.
So well I thought this was a tra highly precision instrument
that only trained.
Yeah.
So now here you go.
You got this guy who's beencalibrating e-meters and s or
sealing e-meters or making thewire harnesses or whatever.

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That's his job.
He knows what he's doing.

SPEAKER_00 (12:46):
Well, but maybe.

SPEAKER_04 (12:47):
Well, for the most part.
They they've done hundreds andhundreds of them.
They get pretty good at doingwhat they're doing.

SPEAKER_01 (12:52):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (12:52):
But then this guy he can't do that many.
So what you do is you get theguy who cuts the lawns.
He comes in and he just takesover.
Yep.
He doesn't work on e-meters.
He d he doesn't even knowanything about it.
But the guy who does do it says,hey, you check this, you check

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that, you hook it up to thisthing.
If it says it's good, you passit on to the next station.

SPEAKER_01 (13:17):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (13:18):
And then the next guy, oh, that's the guy that
that he's electric.
He's an electrician.
He normally is installingoutlets in new buildings or or
fixing broken outlets.

SPEAKER_00 (13:27):
Hey, I did all hands too.

SPEAKER_04 (13:29):
There you go.
Or some ginger from thequalifications division jumps
in.
Now I myself, because I was aquality control over
manufacturing, so I had to betrained in how to do every
single one of those stations.
And so I knew how to do wireharnesses, I knew how to do wave
soldering to make the circuitboards.

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I knew how to do sealing.
I know how to do all plastics.
I knew how to do every singlepart of this thing.
And because I worked in themanufacturing division for many
years, I was at many an allhands where we would jump in and
do the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 (14:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (14:04):
But then it became such a regular occurrence that
they could never keep up.

SPEAKER_01 (14:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (14:12):
But David Miscavige himself came up with the
ultimate solution.
Instead of worrying about alwayshaving an all hands or having to
get people from other divisionsto come in, let's just have the
kids from the ranch that livedabout 15, 20 minutes from the
property.
Instead of doing all thatnonsense school stuff during the

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day, they just drive over to thebase, get dropped off, and they
make they can make e-meters allday.
And so for many I would say forat least a year or two, maybe
longer, maybe shorter, therewere 10-year-olds making these
things.
10-year-olds, 12-year-olds,eight-year-olds.

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If you were a kid and you wereat the international ranch, the
children of C organizationmembers that were pace posted at
the international headquarters,they were the ones making these
e-meters.
They were making the wires, theywere putting the boards
together, they were doingeverything that the Sea Org
members that had been there foryears and years and years were

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doing.
And this they got trained thesame way.
They said, hey, here's a solderiron, here's the parts you need
to solder, here's get going,here's what you do.
Okay.
So the fact that they touted itas this highly precision device,
it was not treated like a highlyprecision device.

SPEAKER_00 (15:35):
No, no, nothing says precision instrument like
illegal child labor.

SPEAKER_04 (15:42):
Now, oh I got some I got some show and tell stuff.
So let me just make sure I'vegot my my props here.
Oh yeah, here it is.
Sorry.
Sorry, guys.
Just a little discombobulatedhere.
Okay.
Have we explained it goodenough, I think?

SPEAKER_00 (15:59):
I think so.

SPEAKER_04 (16:00):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (16:00):
If we didn't cover anything, drop your questions in
the chat and we'll cover that atthe end.

SPEAKER_04 (16:06):
Okay, let's get to it.
Now, when you're in the HubbardElectro Meter Manufacturing,
it's called HEM.

SPEAKER_00 (16:12):
Hem.

SPEAKER_04 (16:12):
Hem.
That's what we called it.
Hem.

SPEAKER_00 (16:15):
Scientology loves a macronym.

SPEAKER_04 (16:17):
They do.
Now, if you're in HEM, all ofthe desks are covered with like
this kind of foamy workstation.
And you had to and you did haveto strap in to like a grounding
wire when they first built theplace.
Nobody ever strapped into thosegolden those grounding wires.
After the first six months ofthis place being open, they're

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just like, whatever.
Oh, totally forgot about this.
If you've ever been to aprecision electronics
manufacturing warehouse, theyhave tile.
And the reason why they havetile is because if you have
carpet, when you walk acrosscarpet, you you generate static

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electricity.
The entire Hubbard ElectroManufacturing Assembly line and
calibration line, all carpet,baby.

unknown (17:12):
All carpet.

SPEAKER_00 (17:14):
Anyway, they had so did anyone ever get
electrocuted?

SPEAKER_04 (17:17):
Is that why they're no no if you have static and
then you touch a chip or if youtouch a blow it.
It's not good for it.

SPEAKER_00 (17:25):
Yeah.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (17:26):
You don't want to let the smoke out.
Anyway.

SPEAKER_00 (17:30):
Oh dear.

SPEAKER_04 (17:31):
But they had soft workstations because you don't
want to scratch the e-meter whenyou're working up on it.

SPEAKER_00 (17:36):
Yeah, especially not the gold, silver, bronze plated.

SPEAKER_04 (17:39):
Oh, those you had to have cloths and it was a whole
other thing.
Anyway, we're going to switchover here, guys.
You ready for this?

SPEAKER_00 (17:46):
Okay, now the fun begins.

SPEAKER_04 (17:48):
There you go.
And and I I do have a soft, Ihave a Xeno in the Body Theta's
desk band under here.

SPEAKER_01 (17:53):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (17:54):
Um let's just make sure we get the good view there.
Okay.
So this is a Mark Super 7quantum.
Okay?
And this is what it looks like.
Okay, so this is the needledial.
This is where your needle'seither a rock slam or a floating
needle or a tick or a long fallor a shortfall or long fall

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blowdown.

SPEAKER_00 (18:17):
There's a data bop.
There's a lot.

SPEAKER_04 (18:19):
There's a lot.
Yeah.
You don't need to know all that.
If this thing moves around acertain way.
Yeah.
This thing certs moves around acertain way, you're either good
to go, or you're not good to go.
This is the tone arm.
This is what adjusts the needleon the dial when it moves all
over the place.
And you've got to adjust to keepit in the in the in the middle

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of the dial here.

SPEAKER_00 (18:42):
And then this is a Well and also on the for the
tone arm, constantly throughoutwhen you're keeping worksheets,
because when you're using ane-meter, no matter what you're
using it for, you have to keepworksheets and say exactly
what's happening.
Yeah.
And you have to say whatreactions happen, what the
position of the tone arm was,everything.

SPEAKER_04 (19:01):
So this right here, and there's all these little
readouts in here.
One of these is just date andtime.

SPEAKER_00 (19:07):
The top one is date and time.

SPEAKER_04 (19:09):
Yeah.
This one is where the tone armis.

SPEAKER_00 (19:12):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (19:12):
And then this one is the total amount.
So every time you bring the tonearm down like this, it counts
here.
It keeps a count of every timeit went the other way.
And this is the total tone.
When you're done with something,you have to report what the
total tone arm action of thesession was, and it'll give you

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a little reading here of whatthe total was.

SPEAKER_00 (19:37):
And that's TAA.
Tone arm action.

SPEAKER_04 (19:41):
Telling you guys, we're we we know what our we
know what we're talking abouthere.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (19:45):
We're a bottomless well of useless fun facts.

SPEAKER_04 (19:48):
And then this is just the sensitivity, whether
you're low, normal, or high, on,off, and test.
You can see this one's just gota little bit of juice left in
it.
It's just just oh, give me some.

SPEAKER_00 (19:58):
It's not quite better than a doornail, but it's
pretty darn close.

SPEAKER_04 (20:01):
And this, when you first start the session, you put
it on 2.0, and it's supposed tobe right on set.
And this is what you do to trimit to make sure it's perfectly
on set when you start.

SPEAKER_01 (20:11):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (20:12):
Okay.
You guys want to get into this?
Let's get into it.
Okay.
Now that was pretty good.
It's easy to get into the phone.
Oh, also, by the way, you getthis little fun thing here.
Now you guys might be saying,Well, how can you operate this
thing and look for spacecooties?
Well, they have this little plughere in the back.

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Okay?
And that plugs into what'scalled a remote tone arm.
And when you're in a sessionhunting down space cooties,
you're by yourself.

SPEAKER_00 (20:44):
Yeah.
So literally you are holding thetwo cans in your one hand.

SPEAKER_04 (20:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (20:50):
Um, and therefore you can't also be operating the
tone arm.
So you have a a remote tone armthat connects, and that way you
can adjust it with your thumb.

SPEAKER_04 (20:58):
Oh, you can adjust it with the hand that you're
holding here, too.

SPEAKER_00 (21:02):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (21:02):
You can adjust it with the hand that's holding the
cans because your other hand'swriting.

SPEAKER_00 (21:08):
Uh yeah, that no, you don't mess with the one
holding the cans.
You sure?
I'm sure.
I did what, 300 hours offreaking hunting.

SPEAKER_04 (21:16):
Holy, that makes a lot of sense, guys.
Anyway, so you have this littlething that you plug into it.
That's also where the chargeris.
And then there's another specialfancy connector right here, this
little black guy.
It's a little micro DB9connector.
And that would hook up to asystem called the look listen in
system.
And so if you were operating ameter and you were sec you were

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security checking, interrogatingsomebody, it would be recorded.
And not only would they recordthe video on two different
cameras, they would have acamera that showed the e meter
dial and the close up ofeverything that was happening on
the e meter, but then they'dalso have a camera of the person
and And then they'd have amicrophone in the desk or

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somewhere in the room that couldpick up all the everything that
the person's saying.
But then they would also recordthe exact needle reaction on the
e-meter, and all of that wouldbe saved into a file that they
could then play back.

SPEAKER_01 (22:16):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (22:16):
And they could play it back on an e-meter to see
exactly what it did.
So they would know.
Because sometimes the auditorsays, oh, this happened, and
that's not what happened.

SPEAKER_00 (22:26):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (22:27):
So then they have to double check.

SPEAKER_00 (22:30):
Yeah.
In fact, starting in gosh, whatwas that?
I think 1995 is when or 94-95 iswhen the camera usage in
auditing sessions became a hugething.

SPEAKER_02 (22:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (22:43):
Because there was a there was also with that the
onslaught of a massive amount ofauditors being sent to the
rehabilitation project force forfalsely calling floating
needles.

SPEAKER_04 (22:54):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (22:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (22:55):
Yeah.
Okay.
So if you want to rip this puppyopen, there's these two little
bumpers, three little bumpers onthe back.
You just peel those out.
And then um there's just aPhillips screw.
Just a thrillip screw, and he'sI already done took them out.
Let's get into it.

SPEAKER_00 (23:10):
We're so prepared.

SPEAKER_04 (23:11):
Okay, now here's what we got, guys.
Now I don't know how familiaryou guys are with electronics,
but these are some ancient,ancient technology circuit
boards here.
I brought well, I'll sh I'lljust explain it to you.
See, these are all theconnectors.
This is all made by the wireharness department.

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All these little these Molexesthat are here that connect to
the different the differentknobs and the dial and all that
stuff, those are all made atGolden Air Productions.
And then they they make thesecables up and then they solder
them to these individual parts.
Now, if you're 10, maybe youknow how to solder.

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I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (23:55):
I don't know how I don't know how many solder
classes you went to when youwere 10, but um our kids know
how to solder, but I don't thinkthat's really uh Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (24:04):
Well, yeah, but our kids solder things.
They do they solder for becausethat's what they do.
Um dear.
Anyway, what we got in here,this is the battery right here.
Okay.
There are I wanna say it's aboutthree or four um I wanna
probably like C batteries.

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That's probably what they wouldbe equivalent to.
It's a pack of just batteries.
It has a a cable coming off ofit that you plug in.
Um this is the dial.
This is the back side of thedial.
And on this one it says OKEDright on the dial.
It says okay.
Does it have an initial?
I don't know.
It might have an initial, itmight have somebody's initials

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under there.
I could open that up, but whocares?
Um now this is the motherboardright here, this big doggy right
here.
And then there's another boardunder here, which is the
daughter board.
There is a display.

SPEAKER_00 (24:59):
Is this mother and daughter board?

SPEAKER_04 (25:01):
Yeah.
Well, because this is a littleone.
It can't be the motherboard.
If it's a little one, it's gotto be a daughter board.

unknown (25:06):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (25:07):
Um and then you've got your charge board here.
This is your uh charging circuithere.
Um, this is the interconnect tothat special um connection that
goes to the uh whatchamacallit?

SPEAKER_00 (25:21):
The look listen in system.

SPEAKER_04 (25:22):
The look listen in system and the remote tone arm.
So the one of these controls thethe needle, just like if you
were controlling it on themeter.
Yep.
And then the other one isfeeding into that circuit.
So it's it's telling that whatit was.

SPEAKER_00 (25:39):
Somebody says, Radio Shack lives.

SPEAKER_04 (25:41):
Oh yeah, no, this is Radio Shack is way above this.
Okay, folks.
Um Okay.
Now, the thing I was going toshow you guys is that not only
is this ancient, if you go andopen up used to be if you tried
to buy an e-meter on eBay, therewas somebody from uh basically

(26:02):
volunteer Scientologists thatwere buying up everything and
then they would just send itinto the church so that that
none of this stuff got out inthe wild.
But if you go on eBay right nowand search e-meter, Hubbard
e-meter, or Scientology e-meter,there's five or six of those
puppies right up on there rightnow.

SPEAKER_01 (26:18):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (26:18):
And some of the ones that are up there are the Mark
VI meter, which came out beforethis.

SPEAKER_01 (26:23):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (26:24):
The Mark VI meter is almost identical to this one.
Almost.
And a lot of these circuitboards and a lot of this tech is
still was from the Mark Super orMark VI meter, and then they
made a Mark VII, and then theyupgraded the Mark VII to be a

(26:44):
Mark VII quantum.
Which they just put some extracircuit shit in here.
It did that, that's all.
It was nothing else.
They put a they they redid someelectronics and they slapped a
badge on it that said Super 7quantum.

SPEAKER_00 (26:57):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (26:58):
Now, a lot of these parts on these circuit boards,
they are Oh, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_00 (27:04):
You just reminded me.
So when they released thequantum, yeah, didn't they have
an option where instead offorcing you to buy a whole new
e-meter, they would upgrade yourexisting e-meter and then put a
new label on it.

SPEAKER_04 (27:17):
Yeah, that's when all the trouble started.
Because now you gotta make newe-meters.
Now you gotta silver certe-meters, and now you gotta turn
all those old meters into thesenew quantum meters.
Yes.
It was a giant cluster.

SPEAKER_01 (27:31):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (27:32):
Okay.
Now, circuit boards.
All of these parts, these bighonkin parts, they have little
electrodes on on them that gointo the circuit board, and they
have to be all those parts haveto be placed into the circuit
board, and then it rolls along asolder bath and it solders all

(27:53):
those connections.
And then they have a saw at theend that cuts off all the extra
leads that are going through thecircuit board, and it just makes
them come out just a littleteeny bit.
That is an old type of circuitboard technology.
That's not what we do anywherenow for the most part.
And the reason and what I wantedto show you was this is a

(28:15):
circuit that my company made in2006.

SPEAKER_01 (28:22):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (28:23):
This is a circuit board that my company made in
2006.
This e-meter was certif wasgiven a silver cert.
This one that we have could havebeen from a storage unit, could
have been from eBay, could havebeen from anywhere.

SPEAKER_00 (28:37):
Could have been from the dumpster, you know,
whatever.

SPEAKER_04 (28:39):
Yeah.
This one, I mean, I've got amillion-dollar statue somebody
had.
Okay.
That was a million bucks it costthem to get that.
This was only$3,500 to$5,000.

SPEAKER_01 (28:49):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (28:49):
Okay.
This circuit board doesn't havethose kind of parts, except for
these parts that are that needto have some rigidity to them.
All of the rest of these aresurface mount parts that are
soldered right on to the top ofthe board.
And you can see these parts onhere, these little teeny ones
I'm pointing to.
How close can you get?

(29:11):
Um, those are the same partsthat are on this, except these
are just nineteen seventies,nineteen eighties style, and
these are this is 2000 style.
So even a circuit board that Imade for my company before this
was made was still higher techthan this thing.

SPEAKER_00 (29:29):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (29:30):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (29:31):
So now So precision is relative.
This is precision.

SPEAKER_04 (29:36):
Yeah, I mean, oh my god, look at this.
This so this button, look, thisthis thing is just wiggling
loose.
It's not even tight.

SPEAKER_01 (29:42):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (29:43):
Somebody flunked the rune on this.
All these things just pull off.
This is like a volume knob.
You see?
This little trim knob, somebodydidn't tighten that nut good
enough.
And that's why it just poppedoff.
And these things, these thingsare oh, these are just a giant
pain in everybody's ass.
Um there you go.
Now it's back on.

(30:03):
But these all pull off.
Oh god.
When you're fixing the e-mir,you take all these off.
Because you gotta get out,you've got to get in.
There's a special tool forpulling these out, but I can do
it with my with your fingers.

SPEAKER_00 (30:14):
There you go.

SPEAKER_04 (30:14):
See, so um it's just a bunch of pots, of
potentiometers that change theelectrical value that's going
through that part.
Now, this is the Mark Quantum,this is the Mark Super 7 badge
they put on there.
This is literally, look at that,it's popped right off.
Uh just pop this on.
It's just got a little bit of 3Mdouble stick glue.

SPEAKER_00 (30:35):
Honey, Clara said, I bet Mark could rebuild it and
contact Xenu directly.

SPEAKER_04 (30:39):
You know what?
Xinu, he is so far above any ofthis tech.
I don't know how they would findhim with one of these, man.
He's an he's a galacticoverlord.
Capable of light year travel,okay?
We shouldn't be making this guymad.
We should be like taking him outthe meals and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (30:58):
Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 (30:59):
Whining and dining.

SPEAKER_01 (31:00):
Whining and dining, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (31:01):
Anyway, so it's really simple, guys.
It's literally not that big of adeal.
And you know what's kind offunny?
One of the people that watchesour streams, his name's on the
patent for this thing.
Okay?
It's not, it's not.
He he's probably the first totell you it ain't that high

(31:24):
tech.

SPEAKER_00 (31:24):
Nope.

SPEAKER_04 (31:25):
Now, the this e-meter with all of these parts
made by children and partsordered on rush basis, because
you know, we'd be we'd be makingsomething, and then there they
don't have a five, whatever thisis.
They don't have a four-pinMolex.
We ran out of four-pin Molexes.

(31:45):
That's it.
Everything shuts down.
We can't make anymore.
We don't have any more four-pinMolexes.
And so they'd have to rush ordersome a hundred pack of four-pin
Molexes or whatever it is.
Now you got you got three threepin, and these are big ones.
You got f uh four pin, which isa big one, then you get this
little smaller size one that'sgot a six-pin on it.

(32:07):
There's a gazillion of these.

SPEAKER_00 (32:09):
Aaron Powell This reminds me of the kits that they
have now for kids, like, oh,learn to build circuits when
you're four years old.

SPEAKER_04 (32:16):
Those are more high-tech than this.
Okay.
Anyway, they would there thelogistics of putting these
together was horribly planned,and there was always something
that they were running out ofand had to order rush.

SPEAKER_01 (32:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (32:32):
Okay.
All that said, doing it thatway, when they averaged out the
cost to build one of these, itcame up to$400.
It was not supposed to be$400,but it ended up being$400.

SPEAKER_00 (32:47):
It wouldn't have been$400 if they planned
efficiently and trackedinventory and did all the things
that normal widget companies do,right?

SPEAKER_04 (32:56):
Totally.

SPEAKER_00 (32:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (32:57):
Anyway, David Miscavige went into great detail
basically dressing us downbecause it cost$400.
It should only cost it shouldhave only cost around$150,$200.

SPEAKER_01 (33:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (33:12):
But all those extra things made it cost more.
Granted, they were stillcharging$3,500 for these things
back in the day.

SPEAKER_01 (33:20):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (33:20):
And these now are outlawed.
I'm pretty sure.
You can't use these anymore.
You have to use the Mark VIIIquantum.

SPEAKER_00 (33:28):
Right.
And there's no upgrade to makethis into one of those.

SPEAKER_04 (33:32):
Yeah, and I do want to say this.
When these were being made, theother meter was already out.
They already had made it.

SPEAKER_00 (33:40):
Right.
But they hadn't released it.

SPEAKER_04 (33:42):
They hadn't released it, but they had it.
And it was in a warehouse in LosAngeles, thousands and thousands
of them.
And they didn't come out withit, but they let everybody buy
up the stock of all the olde-meters, the Mark 7 e-meters.
And then as soon as they ranout, but that's probably how it
went.
When they ran out, then theywere like, okay, good.

(34:03):
Now we can release the new one.
And then they're like, oh, thatthat old one's bad now.
I bought that thing two yearsago.
Nope.
Piece of junk.

SPEAKER_01 (34:10):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (34:12):
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
They were, I think at one point,David Miscavige was thinking
about making like an e-metereBay that was run by
Scientology.
And it would it would be a wayfor Scientologists to sell their
old e-meters, and then somebodyin Africa could buy it.
Or somebody in a in a placewhere they couldn't afford to

(34:32):
get a$5,000 quantum.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 (34:34):
Right.
Remember pretty in I think itwas the early 2000s when they
did a comeback of the Mark V forthat purpose.

SPEAKER_04 (34:44):
Well that was really for student auditing.
The Mark V was for people thatwere learning how to use the
e-meter.

SPEAKER_00 (34:51):
I thought it was for um economically challenged
areas.

SPEAKER_04 (34:55):
Aaron Powell Maybe.
It wasn't that cheap either.

SPEAKER_00 (34:57):
Aaron Ross Powell No, it was not.

SPEAKER_04 (34:59):
But you know what I will say?
Much higher tech than this one.
Yeah.
Because we made that one new.
And it didn't have all thisnonsense in it.
It was very, very simple.

SPEAKER_01 (35:08):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (35:09):
Anyway, it didn't have all the digital readouts
and all that stuff.
So it really didn't have thatmuch computer processing
happening in there that this onehas to have for all really for
the silly LED displays.
And all the counting and allthat.
The counter on the Mark V is wasmechanical.
When it would count down, itwould it would be mechanical.

(35:29):
It would have a little dial thatkept track on the actual uh
mechanism.

SPEAKER_01 (35:36):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (35:37):
Anyway, the most expensive part of this is this
dial.
I'm pretty sure these dials, atleast the dial alone, used to be
like 70 bucks or 90 bucks orsomething.
So majority of the cost was inthis one item.
And they would they would getrejected all the time because
they'd have a dust in there.

(35:58):
These are specially made forScientology.
There's not uh there's notanother thing that has this dial
like this, and it has anon-glare uh surface, and it's
very fancy for Radio Shek, ham,ham radio kit.
Um and then um what else?

(36:19):
Hmm.
I think that's really about it.
Now, this new, like even thisone says Mark, yeah, Mark 7
Charger right hand.
Oh, yeah, that's what I wasgonna say.
So not only do they have righthand versions, this is a right
hand version.
So if I'm an auditor, I'm ohhere, it's got a little
kickstand in the back.

(36:40):
If I'm an auditor, here I'lljust this way.
You put it on the kickstand, andthen you operate it with your
left hand here, and then youtake the session notes with your
right hand.
So this is a right-hand meter.
Now if you're a left or ifyou're a southpaw, this whole
thing is flipped to the otherside.
That's right.
And then so you can operate ituh with your left hand and your

(37:04):
or your right hand and then yourwriting with your left hand.

SPEAKER_01 (37:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (37:08):
Um, this is a special edition.
This one says, give me that.
This one says Planetarydissemination version.
So this was a special one thatthey charged more money for.
Special.
And the and the and what makesit special is this little thing
right here.

(37:30):
You take this off, it's notspecial anymore.
Put that on it.
Special.
Um they would have them indifferent colors.
Like this is like a uh, I wantto say this is like a speckle.
It's it's got like a kind ofYeah.

SPEAKER_00 (37:45):
Most of them, the the basic series is just a matte
like matte black or matte whiteor you know, not sparkly like
this.

SPEAKER_04 (37:55):
And Golden Era Productions is doing everything.
So in this one, there's an areain Hem, the Hubbard Electro Manu
Meter Manufacturing.
And there was a dude in therenamed Niels.
It's a really tall swede.
And um and he was this Niels?
Yeah, it was Neils.
He got out of there.

SPEAKER_00 (38:16):
Okay, good.

SPEAKER_04 (38:18):
And he would put these little inserts in here.
So you see this is a plasticinjection molded piece.
We would get that done outside.
They would they we would justsay, give me, we're doing the
they're doing a the theplanetary the PDU version,
planetary dissemination unit.
We need we need to work up uh400, 500 of those PDU meters.

(38:39):
Uh and then they would just getthis color.
We'd pick the color, and thenthis one's got some some glitter
in it.
Probably went by what's thatplace?
Joannes or Hobby Lobby.
Dump some glitter in the mix.
And then you get a PDU version,you charge an extra$1,500 for
that puppy.
Now, this one, um that's theonly that's the only thing that

(39:01):
made special.
When we did the gold ones and wedid all that, that Neil's was
sanding.
He'd have to sand, they wouldstill order the same plastic out
of the same mold, but this hasgot a finish to it.
So we have to sand all that out.
Sand all the individual buttons.
They would never you can't makenew ones because they have to
make all new molds.

SPEAKER_01 (39:20):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (39:20):
So that would cost money.
Yeah.
So we're not gonna do that.
We've got we've got labor.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (39:25):
Slave labor.
Let's use the slave labor.

SPEAKER_04 (39:27):
Get some get some 4,000 uh 4,000 sandpaper and
some water and just wet sand allthose for five days.
Um and then they would platethem gold or silver or black
obsidian or blue meridian orperiwinkle blue or whatever that
what they were making.
They did have a periwinkle blueone, right?
They did have a periwinkle blue.
It was like a light blue.

SPEAKER_01 (39:48):
Yeah, they did.

SPEAKER_04 (39:49):
Yeah.
That's the only reason why Iknow the c color periwinkle,
except for in the movie Snatch,Brad Pitt's character is trying
to get a uh get a caravan forhis mom, and he wants to get it
in periwinkle blue.

SPEAKER_00 (40:01):
There you go.

SPEAKER_04 (40:02):
Anyway, that's the only other time I've heard this
the color periwinkle in my life.

SPEAKER_00 (40:05):
Oh, I love periwinkle.

SPEAKER_04 (40:06):
Oh, good, babe.
Good, good, good, good.
Remember that?
Um, here's so here's all thesepotentiometers right here.
This whole stack of them.
This is how they just have- Oh,you can't see it.

SPEAKER_00 (40:18):
Yeah, there you go.
There you go.

SPEAKER_04 (40:20):
All these these all these pots are what the
calibration and quality controlarea.
If anything was off, they woulduse these to adjust the
sensitivity or the needle dialwas doing something.
They do all that right here.
Now, I want to say it was in the80s.

(40:42):
Before this one, it was whenthey had the Mark 60 meter.
Like I said, there wasn't a lotof quality control happening on
these things, and they werealready pretty sketched when
they started.
But what happens if you have ashort or you have an
intermittent connection?
Now, if you have a device likethis, your most common cause of

(41:03):
an intermittent connection isgonna be those solder joints.
If you do a cold solder joint,or if you didn't have it you
didn't do it right.

SPEAKER_00 (41:12):
So what's a cold solder joint?

SPEAKER_04 (41:18):
It's like welding, you're heating up metal and
changing the properties of themetal, and you're adding metal
and it's bonding to the metal.

SPEAKER_01 (41:28):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (41:29):
When you're soldering, you're taking two
pieces of metal in most cases,and you're putting solder, which
is like a it's kind of like avery soft, like lead-like
material.
And you heat that up.
That melts really quickly.
It doesn't melt, it just changesits property and it turns to a

(41:51):
liquid instead of a solid.

SPEAKER_00 (41:53):
When it turns out that doesn't count as melting?

SPEAKER_04 (41:55):
No, because what happens is when it gets to that
high temperature and it sort ofgoes into a liquid, now it's
flow, it flows through theconnectors, the wire, whatever.
It flows over there and that'show it creates the bond.

SPEAKER_01 (42:11):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (42:12):
Now if you're heating up the solder, there's a
part where it's getting heatedup, but it's not hasn't done
that, it doesn't flow.
It doesn't turn into that liquidlike you.

SPEAKER_01 (42:22):
I see.

SPEAKER_04 (42:23):
And if you solder something when it's just about
to do that, and then you take itoff, it it hasn't gotten to the
correct temperature to do thatflow and it and and connect the
two metals to each other.

SPEAKER_00 (42:35):
Aaron Powell So that's called a cold solder.

SPEAKER_04 (42:36):
That's a cold joint.

SPEAKER_00 (42:38):
And if you have a cold joint because you didn't
let it flow, so a cold solderjoint joint is a bad thing, not
a good thing.

SPEAKER_04 (42:45):
It's horrible because it's brittle.

SPEAKER_00 (42:48):
I see.

SPEAKER_04 (42:48):
And it can just break off.
I see.

SPEAKER_00 (42:50):
When it doesn't flow, all makes sense now.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Didn't know how it was going toget through.

SPEAKER_04 (42:57):
Anyway, um if if there's anybody clarifying that,
honey.
If there's anybody out here whoknows how to solder, or the dude
that has the the uh the patenton this is watching, you can you
can check my work in thecomments.

SPEAKER_01 (43:11):
Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_04 (43:12):
Um this sounds like the type of conversation to have
with Dalton on a regular basis.

SPEAKER_00 (43:18):
Aaron Powell That I have with Dalton on a regular
basis.

SPEAKER_04 (43:22):
Okay.
So now um this is why I bring upthe cold solder joint thing.

SPEAKER_01 (43:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (43:28):
Because in the 1980s, there was a thing, and
maybe it was even in the 70s, Idon't know.
There were many periods where ifyou're on the e-meter and you're
getting one of theseinterrogations, there's a needle
reed that's called a rock slam.
And the needle just goes like,here, I'll try to do it with my
finger.

SPEAKER_00 (43:47):
It's erratic slashing back and forth, like
hitting both sides of the dial,like completely uh unhinged.

SPEAKER_04 (43:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (43:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (43:56):
Yeah.
Somebody just brought up a greatpoint here.

SPEAKER_00 (43:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (44:00):
It said uh Oh, it's gone now.
Thunder before oh Thursdaybefore two.

SPEAKER_00 (44:07):
If it gets too hot, it can burn the contact also.

SPEAKER_04 (44:10):
That's right.
So there's a there's a happymedium because if you keep it
burning, you're soldering thewire to something.
And if you cook that, then itunsolders itself from whatever
it's got internally.
So you gotta do it right.
You gotta as soon as it flows,you gotta get off that thing.

(44:30):
You don't want to you wanna cookthat, or you'll cook the wire,
or you'll cook that.
So it's it's uh there is alittle bit of technology to
doing it that maybe a10-year-old doesn't master in
the first uh few years.
Oh my god.
Excuse me.
Anyway, but if you have one ofthose rock slams on the needle,
that means you got some evilpurposes.

(44:51):
Whoever you're doing, whoeveryou're working with on the
e-meter there, that meansthey've got evil purposes
against Scientology, DavidMiscavige or L.
Ron Hubbard.

SPEAKER_00 (45:00):
Right.
And that means And when thatwhen that needle phenomena
appears, the very first thingthe counselor or auditor is
supposed to do is note it on theworksheet and then switch into
test mode, unplug the cans, anddo a test on the on the meter.

SPEAKER_04 (45:22):
Yeah, but allegedly.

SPEAKER_00 (45:23):
That's that's the thing.

SPEAKER_04 (45:24):
Here's the thing with the cold solder joint or
any part of this thing that goeswacko.
Not necessarily something youcan easily make it reproduce.
Right.
It's sort of when it was in thatposition, even the temperature
of a room getting colder orhotter can actually change the
electronics.
And they can cause those thingsto then create that phenomenon.

(45:48):
So they could take this e-meterinto another room to go check
it, and it doesn't do it becauseit's in a different environment
and the temperature's differentand the position was different,
and the person wasn't yanking onthe cans, or it could be
anywhere from where the hand thecans hook into the e-meter.
By the way, I wasn't lying.
This is a TRS.
That's a tip ring sleeve guitarplug that they're using right

(46:11):
there.
That that's another thing.
There's nothing in this thatain't been somewhere else
before.
This is all off-the-shelf parts,except for this plastic and
everything.
Everything else, you can justorder.
Even the dial, you can orderthis same dial, just doesn't
have all the fancy Scientologystuff on there.
But they're using these dialsfor other things.

SPEAKER_01 (46:31):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (46:32):
Now, so what was happening was if you're in the C
org and you're uh and you andyou're getting a meter thing and
the and you get a rock slam, uhRPF.
Yeah instantly.
It's not not even questioned.
My own mother went to the RPFbecause she rock slammed on an

(46:52):
e-meter.
And they sent that e-meter inand it had all it was all
whacked out, and she stillstayed on the uh RPF.
Right.
So um and it it would happen topeople all the time.
People were kicked out ofScientology because it was a bad
e-meter.
That's happened.
Yes.
On I'd say over a hundred peoplein their life have had it ruined

(47:17):
because they had a shittye-meter they were using.

SPEAKER_00 (47:19):
And the crazy thing, too, is that technically, if you
have a rock slam on the e-meterand you get sent to the
rehabilitation project force, inorder for you to then graduate
from the rehabilitation projectforce, you have to find the evil
purposes associated with thatrock slam and get the exact same

(47:39):
meter reaction during the courseof that that then shows that
it's been handled.
Yeah.
And you want to know how manytimes that has happened?
Ever?

SPEAKER_04 (47:49):
How many?

SPEAKER_00 (47:50):
That I know of?
Zero.
Oh, with this.
It has never happened that theexact same meter reaction has
recurred when dealing with theevil purpose that allegedly, I
mean, it's such it's anyway,it's all garbage.

SPEAKER_04 (48:05):
Well, it's all muckety muck woo-hoo anyway.
But the fact is that this is agiant turd bucket.
Okay?
It's filled with turds, uh andthey're just in a nice plastic
container.
Looks like a and it is a giantPOS that you should not risk
your f future eternity on.

(48:26):
And if I were you, I wouldn't begoing hunting for space cooties
with this thing either.
Okay.
Now, when you're doingScientology and you're you're a
newbie, you get interrogated onthis, and they they ask you
questions, not reallyinterrogation style, but they
ask you repetitive questions,and you don't have to answer the

(48:47):
questions with your mouth if youdon't want to.
You can just sit there becausethey're not really paying
attention to what you sayanyway.
The auditor's looking at theneedle on this to see what it
does when they ask you thequestion.
And the way they teach you isthat if you say, was there an
earlier similar?
Or whatever, was there anearlier similar miswithold?

SPEAKER_00 (49:10):
Then the answer is never no.

SPEAKER_04 (49:12):
I know, but at the end, right when I go withhold,
right then.
Whatever that needle does,that's what you're looking for.
Okay?
And the way Hubbard explains itis that if you have proper
intention, attention, and andattention on the PC, when you
ask the command in the exactway, you have that little uh

(49:36):
accent up, that littleinflection at the last word to
make it a question, when you dothat exactly correctly, the
person will get that and theneedle will read whether or not
they answer the question withtheir mouth or not.

SPEAKER_00 (49:52):
Right.
Because as in the definitionthat I read, it's a
pre-conscious me um device.

SPEAKER_04 (49:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (49:59):
So it knows that there's something there before
you know there's somethingthere.
That's right.
Allegedly.

SPEAKER_04 (50:04):
That's right.
That's how they want you tothink.
Now uh so basically you got amachine that's being put by
either put together by the guywho normally does it, or maybe
the groundskeeper, or a10-year-old.
Or me, or any rando ginger thatwalked into the joint.
And um, and they're touting itas this highly precisious

(50:27):
precision machine, it costs$400to make badly, and then they're
charging$3,500 for it.
And I think near the end theywere charging$5,000 for these,
the special like this oneprobably cost$5,000.
Somebody could probably look itup somewhere.
This puppy probably went for$5k.
And even though it's$400 worthof parts, horribly put together

(50:49):
now and slave and child labor.
Yeah.
Uh so really I'm gonna blow yourmind, guys.
Scientologists have never seeninside this thing.
It's illegal for them to openthem up.
If you're if these some of theseparts get loose, and if it's got
a rattle to it, and you take ascrewdriver and you open it up

(51:11):
and you don't seal it the properway, when they get it and they
see something in here that theydidn't know they didn't put in
there the way it is, like allthese Molexes, not all of them,
but a bunch of them, are hotglued.
Which begs to differ.
Why aren't all of them hotglued?
Like this one's hot glued, thisone always falls out.

(51:32):
This one's hot glued.
These other ones are not hotglued.
This one, ooh, that one justcame right out.
That's the battery.
Oh no, that's the neat that'sthe dial.
Anyway, if one of these fallsout and you can hear it rattling
in there, you can't take thisthing apart and pop it back in.
You gotta send it into GoldenAir Productions and pay the 150
bucks to get it silvercertified, and they put a new

(51:55):
sticker on the back that givesyou a new date saying you're
reset, you're good for anotheryear.
And uh and if and this is thebest part.
If you don't touch that meterfor a year, and then they
finally get you to come in to dosome kind of course or something
like that, and then you pop itopen and it says that it's out
of silver cert, you've got tosend it back.

(52:17):
And the organization, if if ifsomebody's found using a meter
that's not been silvercertified, they gets in trouble.

SPEAKER_01 (52:24):
Yep, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 (52:25):
So it's very, very, very important for
Scientologists to never lookinside and see where the this is
where the this is wizard shit inhere, guys.
This is behind the curtain.

SPEAKER_00 (52:37):
It's like the don't look up movie, you know?

SPEAKER_04 (52:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (52:39):
Just don't ever it's just a magical device to talk to
your body thetans and don't everlook inside, don't ever
understand anything about it.

SPEAKER_04 (52:49):
I'm we're going deep, guys.
We're going deep.
We're here.
We're here.

SPEAKER_00 (52:53):
Just pulling out the tools, guys.
It's time to do that.

SPEAKER_04 (52:55):
I don't know if I can do it with this.
I don't have a small enough one.
Oh, I wish I did.
Um I had the one for the back.
I didn't pull out any side.
But you know, it's just a crappycircuit board.
Yep.
Now, I would venture to say thatmost of these circuit boards are
very close to the Mark 6 E metercircuit board that they had in
the in the early uh in the 70sand then the very early 1980s.

(53:20):
I want to say the Mark Super 7came out in the early 1980s,
mid-1980s, and then the Super 7came out in the 2000s, the
quantum.

SPEAKER_00 (53:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (53:34):
I don't remember when the quantum came out, but
it came out uh it came out whilewe were thinking it was in the
late 80s.

SPEAKER_00 (53:40):
I thought it was for like at around the same time as
the release of OT8, which Ibelieve was 1988.
Now I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (53:48):
I want to open this, but I don't want to.

SPEAKER_00 (53:50):
Oh, 1996.
The same thank you, Catherine.
So it's Catherine said it cameout in 1996.

SPEAKER_04 (53:56):
The Mark Quantum.
Super Seven Quantum.

SPEAKER_00 (53:58):
Yeah, so I'm thinking of the Super Mark
Seven.

SPEAKER_04 (54:01):
Okay.
This is the FDA plate I wastelling you guys about.
It can't read it really, but itsays by itself, the meter does
nothing and is solely for theguide of ministers of the church
in confessionals and pastoralcounseling.
The electrometer is notmedically or scientifically
capable of improving the healthor bodily function of anyone,

(54:22):
and it is for religious use bystudents and ministers of the
Church of Scientology only.
Hubbard E meter I'm not usingthis thing.
Hubbard, e-meter, andScientology are trademarks and
service marks owned by RTCReligious Technology Center.
And are used with itspermission.
Well, golly gee, Willakers.

(54:43):
And then this section is thesilver cert sticker.
I have it covered up in case thepoor person that this was linked
to.
Um they don't want to.
I mean, they're probably gonnago through every one of these
PDU meters and see where itwent.
But I mean, these things youthese things turn up in storage
units all the time.
Exactly.
And there's six on eBay rightnow.

(55:03):
So get over it, Osa.
Don't the this one you don'thave to worry about.
Okay.
Now, um, let's see if anybodyhas any questions while I got
this thing here.
Let's leave it open too.

SPEAKER_00 (55:16):
Yeah, there we go.

SPEAKER_04 (55:17):
Also, if you need to work on an e-meter, Xeno and the
Body Thetan desk mat is a veryhigh-quality surface to work on.
Um, actually, let's put it likethis.
There you go.
This is where we find the bodythetans.
This is what we find it with.
This is perfect for this becauselook, it is this is the body the
I call it the space cootiedividing rat, but this is how

(55:38):
you smoke out the body thetans,and we're using the body thetan
des mat to work on it.

SPEAKER_00 (55:43):
Yeah, Catherine said you need a new Xeno and the Body
Thetans des Mat.
We have more coming soon.
The 2026 Xenou and the BodyThetans merch.
Yeah.
Coming soon.
World tour.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (55:54):
World tour t-shirts.

SPEAKER_00 (55:55):
AKA.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (55:57):
We'll let them see when it comes out.

SPEAKER_00 (55:59):
All right.

SPEAKER_04 (55:59):
Okay, let's see if we've got any people.
Do you have any?
Do you have the cans?
You want to grab those cans overthere?

SPEAKER_00 (56:05):
Uh, sure.

SPEAKER_04 (56:06):
I just unplug yourself.

SPEAKER_00 (56:08):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (56:08):
Here, I got you.
Okay, you're good.
There's a whole kit of them overthere.
Get the old ones.
We'll save the new ones for thenew e-meter.

SPEAKER_01 (56:18):
They're the old ones.

SPEAKER_04 (56:19):
And they're in that case right there.

SPEAKER_01 (56:20):
Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (56:22):
Okay, now listen, guys, while Claire's away for a
second, I'll just tell you, wehave gotten our hands on a Mark
VIII quantum e-meter.
Now, before you get all excitedabout the project, um, I don't
want to open that one up today.
We might show it to you as alittle sneak peek at the end of

(56:45):
this.
But um we were able to get ourhands on one.
And again, these things turn up.
Some of these people, not notnot actually some, a high
percentage of these people thatare on these operating Thetan
levels at the top, OT9 and OTseven.

(57:06):
Some of these people are gettingup there in age, and sometimes
when they leave, they don't uhthey don't have a proper uh
wealth plan or uh uh what do youcall it, an estate plan in place
to make sure that their emirgets over to one of their fancy
dancy members.
Here, let me plug over the case.

SPEAKER_00 (57:24):
So here we have the cans.

SPEAKER_04 (57:25):
Claire's got the cans, so she's got it right
there.
And I I I I tell no lies, guys.
Look, that's a guitar plug.

SPEAKER_02 (57:32):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 (57:32):
It's actually not even a TRS.
It's just a TR.
No, it's a T S, tip and sleeve.
No ring.
Just tip and sleeve, baby.
So it's really just twoconductors, which makes sense
like two cans.

SPEAKER_00 (57:46):
It's supposed to fit in the palm of your hand.

SPEAKER_04 (57:49):
You gotta show the people.

SPEAKER_00 (57:51):
I am.

SPEAKER_04 (57:51):
Oh, but both both hands.

SPEAKER_00 (57:53):
Okay, here we go.
There you go.
So it has to it's supposed tosit right there so that it can
comfortably fit in the curl.
Like even the can size is anexact specification that you
have to figure out what cans youcan comfortably hold where your
hands will not get fatigued, andit just sits naturally in the

(58:16):
curve of your hand and thenlook.
In the curl of your fingers.

SPEAKER_04 (58:20):
This can cord just plugs in right here.
That's it.
You're you're up and running.

SPEAKER_00 (58:27):
And then if you're doing um, you know, Thetan
hunting by yourself.

SPEAKER_04 (58:31):
So what they call solo.

SPEAKER_00 (58:33):
There's a divider that just keeps them just
separate so they don't touchbecause if they touch together,
it slams the meter, the needleon the dial.
So you hold it like this, andthen you operate the tone arm
with the other hand.
Yeah, now and and you give thecommands telepathically and you

(58:54):
watch for the reaction of theneedle.

SPEAKER_04 (58:56):
Yeah, now hold those for a second, because I got I
got an idea.

SPEAKER_00 (58:59):
Oh boy, this is a little triggering, honey.
I don't know what you have inmind, but I swore I would never
do this again the rest of mylife.

SPEAKER_04 (59:09):
We're going on a space cootie, huh?
With the mark.
This is a Hubbard ProfessionalMark Ultra 8.
This is a fancy one.
Now, these, unfortunately, theseare higher tech than that other
one.

SPEAKER_01 (59:24):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (59:25):
And if you don't send it into Golden Era
Productions after a year, it ithas a time bomb in it.
Has a kill switch.
Has its own internal thing thatsays, you gotta silver cert
this, but you don't have tosilver cert it by sending it
into Golden Era Productions.
You gotta plug this into yourcomputer.
And now when they made these,they made these in the 2004s

(59:48):
when they designed and builtthis.
Because I was still there whenthese were already being made.

SPEAKER_01 (59:53):
Yep, I remember.

SPEAKER_04 (59:54):
They didn't come out till like I think 2011.
But there's a DB9 connector inhere.
Now, anybody who knows, ifanybody's got a computer,
anybody, look on your computerfor this connector.
It ain't there.
This is not a VGA connectorthat's a DB25, that's 25 pins.
This is a DB9, nine pins.

(01:00:15):
This is an RS232 connection thatconnects this meter to that look
and listen in system that I wastelling you about, so they can
record what the needle is doingwhile you're getting
interrogated.
But it also hooks to yourcomputer, and there's a and you
go to their website when this isconnected and it runs a check on
your thing, and that's how theyknow who's got what meters.

(01:00:38):
Now, this one, it don't got nosticker.
That's so Scientology doesn'tknow who this came from.
Now, I don't know how.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:51):
Trevan Don says, Mark geeking out about the
connectors.
I'm like, I know, right?

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:55):
Well now, but check this out.
This one works.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:01):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:03):
Now, I'm not gonna say that I figured out how to
bypass that time bomb.
But this one works.
And this is an old one.
It hasn't been used much.
It was very dusty and dirty.
Oh, but here, this is what Iwant to do.
I want to get clear on thosecans.
For some reason they moved itover here, which I'm not exactly
sure why they did that.
But either way.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:22):
No, that's where it was before.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:24):
No, I just pulled it out.
It's on the other side.
Look.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:27):
Oh yeah.

unknown (01:01:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:28):
I know what I'm talking about.
Oh, maybe this is a is this alefty?
It's a lefty.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:37):
It is, yes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:38):
See, look, guys.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:39):
Lefty.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:41):
There you go.
You're getting to see it in realtime.
Just what we were just talkingabout.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:45):
Yeah.
There you go.
I figured it out all on my own.
So this is a lefty.
Okay, so now look.
I got her on there.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:56):
Oh, look, Mitch said if an unauthorized person
connects to the website, theybrick the meter.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:01):
There you go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:02):
I ain't gonna connect it to the website.
I have my rings on.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:06):
Oh, that makes it rock slam too if you got rings.
Don't worry.
Let's see a rock slam.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:12):
Come on, get in there and get some of that.
Oh, come on.
Let's see.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:14):
You could do one.
You could show everybody.
I'm not a lefty, so I'm doingthis all backwards, but get get
in there and get some of that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:22):
I'm holding them.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:23):
There you go.
See now look.
That's her.
That's Claire right there.
See?
Do you have an evil purposeagainst your husband?
Oh, shut up.
Um, anyway.
So GTFO.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:34):
Damn it.
I love how I'm like, oh, let'sdo a pinch test, and you're
like, no.
And then you're like, get on thecans.
I'm like, oh yeah.
This is great.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:43):
We can show people what it looks does.
So you see this part where righthere where it says session TA?
So every time it goes up, itdoes nothing.
But when it goes back down, seehow it's it's yeah, I don't know
if you guys can see that, butthere you go, right there.
When I go down, it adds to thatnumber.

(01:03:03):
And that's how you keep track ofthe tone arm.
And then if you want to zero itout for a new session, there you
go.
Now it's zero.
Now trying to think of what elsehere.
It says does everything the sameway.
Um but yeah, so that's how sonext week or neck next week,

(01:03:24):
because I'm out of town again,but the next time we do one of
these uh e-meter videos, we'regonna open this one up.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:31):
Yep.
And we did get an easy bake.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:34):
Oh, I gotta show that now, right now.
Let me get it.
Let me get it.
Guys, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:38):
Here, I'll I'll see if um I can do some questions
while you perfect.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:42):
Get in there and get some of that.
I'll be right back.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:44):
How come Tom Cruise isn't offering clandestine
comments here in the chat?
Yeah, exactly.
Uh recall the last pinch and theneedle would drop.
The famous pinch test works.
Yeah, so you get the person onthe cans, you adjust it, the
sensitivity and everything else.
Then I would pinch mark like agood firm solid pinch, like

(01:04:06):
enough to burn just a littlebit, but not to leave a mark.
And then with him holding thecase.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:16):
A lot of people be like, ow!

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:18):
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:18):
You want to do one?

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:19):
No, I don't right now.
You sure?
No, yeah, I'm sure.
We we can record.
I I didn't want to do it live.
Oh I was I was thinking we wouldrecord it ahead of time, just
whatever.
Because just the show.
But then, yes, the command isrecall the moment of the pinch,
and then you think about it, andthe needle goes boing, and
literally like think about itfor a minute.

(01:04:40):
That's allegedly proves thatthis works.
That's it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:44):
Anyway, okay, so this sorry, get the mic back
over here.
Okay, so this is the e-meter.
Now, I want to tell you guys,Scientology did not come up with
this.
This this design.
They hired a product designer todesign this thing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:01):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:02):
Now I I know this this uh the person that they
hired did work at other placesdesigning products.
Okay, and she came up with thisdesign.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:14):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:16):
Now, I'm not saying that she worked for Hasbro, but
guys.
This is the this is the this isthe easy bake oven.
Okay, look at this thing.
Here you couldn't, you couldn'tthere.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:35):
You couldn't put put it under the No, you put it up
there.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:37):
Put that up in front of your face.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:39):
Oh, okay.
Look at this.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:40):
Come on, guys.
The designer uh obviously rippedoff the easy bank.
Look at that! That's it'suncanny.
Telling you.
And guess what?
This is a special easy bank, youcan't get them like this
anymore.
We had the this is a 2011special edition.
We had to get.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:01):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:02):
Anyway, Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:05):
You done messed up.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:07):
She might have even did that design because she did
this in 2004.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:12):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:12):
And then never released the thing.
She probably thought it's nevergoing to come out.
Let me uh the EasyBake guysbasically said we need a new
look.
And she was like, I got theperfect thing.
And she just she already did allthat.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:25):
Someone said it's a 2031 model of George Foreman
Grill.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:28):
Yeah.
Really is, guys.
Telling.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:32):
Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:34):
So we'll open this one up at a later date.
It hasn't been bricked.
See, here's the thing.
As long as I keep this thingcharged, I think we're good.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:44):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:45):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:46):
Drop in the comments if you want us to show you a
pinch test or not.
I'm not particularly dead set onit.
Oh, I don't care.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:52):
I'll do it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:53):
All right.
All right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:55):
Okay.
Whatever.
We're showing people what whatit is.
How they what that might be alittle bit of the cheese they
put in the trap.
Someone goes, let that thingknow it you pinched me.
What else does it know?
Well, it knows where your spacecooties at.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:08):
Oh my god, you just pinched me and it knows you
pinched me.
That's great, crazy.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:12):
Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:14):
Anyway, it knows where the space cooties are at
and it knows when you getpinched.
And it knows when you've beensleeping and when you've been
bad.
Um so yeah, so that's it.
Oh, and this one has its ownlittle meter check thing.
Yeah, you're supposed to put alittle resistor on there.
We could do all that.
We could do that next week, too.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:33):
Yeah.
Or next time.
Are you gonna be out of townnext week?

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:37):
I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:38):
No, you're not.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:38):
I'm not?

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:39):
No.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:39):
Okay, good.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:40):
I mean, it might be a a a tad close.
What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:44):
Well I 100% will be.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:46):
No, I mean, excuse me, sir.
I book your travel.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:51):
Oh, yeah, you're right.
I will be back.
Never mind.
She knows what she's talkingabout.
I had to space, I had to spacedout all these space cootie talk,
they were taking over mycalendar.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:02):
Um anyway.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:04):
Mark just asked me when to show up, and I tell him.
So I'm telling you, you will behere on Sunday.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:09):
Same old, same old shitty connector.
Um the story I was told.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:14):
Oh, Sunday's Mother's Day.
That's right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:17):
Yes.
Yes, I forgot that.
Okay.
Good point.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:20):
Good point.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:21):
Okay.
Now, I was told that when theymade this in the early 2000s,
the designers who designed thisthrew this in, this DB9
connector.
Because whoever was working withthem, I want to say it was Russ
Bellin from the Church ofSpiritual Technology, because it

(01:08:42):
was him and another guy thatwere running that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:44):
Yep.
That tall dude Tom Vorme.
Tom Vorme, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:48):
Or uh Willis.
Tom Willis.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:51):
Yeah.
Both of them actually were.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:54):
Anyway, they said you should be putting a you
should put a USB connector inthere.
And the USB connector was goingto drive the price up.
And they'd already toldMiscavige how much the price was
going to be.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:06):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:06):
And so they used this old connector.
Now, even in 2004 when this washappening, and I was getting to
this.
Anybody who's got a computer,look and see if you got this
kind of connector on there.
Not with nine pins.
There's tons of computers thatstill have VGA ports for monitor
cables.
That's a DB25.
This is a D B9, RS232.

(01:09:30):
Almost any computer that has todo some kind of control protocol
or RS232 is USB.
And in order to make this work,you gotta put an adapter that's
a DB9 to a USB A.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:47):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:48):
Or B.
I don't know.
Anyway, you gotta put an adaptercable on this to connect it to
your computer.
Yeah.
Because these can these nocomputer, no modern computer
will have this on it.
It's not happening.
Anyway, so they made theseinferior even though they could

(01:10:08):
have updated them for like tosave like 13 cents.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:13):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:14):
Um anyway, this one charges.
It's up and running, it ain'tbricked out yet.
Oh Jesus, it wants me to set thelanguage.
See, that's the fancy thing.
That's what you get with theMark VII.
The frickin' time can be in yourlanguage.
What's on here that needs to beoh, the menus and stuff, I

(01:10:35):
guess.
In your language.
You can switch.
Let's see what languages theygot.
Menu.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:41):
That's fine.
We'll do that when we do thebreakdown.
Let's do some questions.
We're already running long fortoday.
Oh, we are.
Let's do our questions.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:48):
Anyway, guys, I tried to show you.
I tried to show you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:51):
And I shut it down.
It was all me.
Blame me.
Let's get some questions.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:55):
Let's get some questions.
Let's put this back on Claire.
She can you want me to highlightsome of them?

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:00):
Yes, please.
Good idea.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:02):
Okay, let me move this out of my way.
I gotta get get back in hereagain.
Okay.
Um here we go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:08):
All right.
Uh my folks still have acomputer that uses cartridges.
Maybe that one has theconnection with it.
Yes, exactly.
Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:16):
Well, to be fair, that could be a zip zip disk.
And even when zip disks wereout, they still had USB.
Because some of those zip driveswere USB.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:25):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:26):
Anyway, but yes, thank you for that, Elizabeth.
Um what are we doing here?
Here we go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:33):
Okay, Mark, which of those connectors hook into the
read simulator?
Well, Jackson.
Hey Jackson.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:39):
It's that same one, that DB9 connector, hooks into
the Reed simulator.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:43):
Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:44):
Well, not actually.
The read simulator just plugs into here.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:51):
Yeah, I was trying to remember.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:52):
So instead of plugging in the cans, you just
plug it into there and it playsthe sound file to the e-meter.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:57):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:58):
The look listen in system is what connects to that
other port because it's readingthe signal from the needle.
It's not it sends and receives.
But you can replay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:10):
And before the read simulator came out, the c when
you were doing your training,you would just simulate the
reads with your hands, but it'snot the real thing.
So whatever.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:24):
Blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:26):
Here we go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:28):
Okay.
So auditors are surveilled viameter communic computer
connection to specific website.
Meters 5k a pop.
Yep.
Yes and yes.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:40):
When this thing gets bricked, it says it puts a
message up here.
And it says this meter needs tobe certified.
It says go to hubbardemeter.org.
Somebody can look it up, but I'mpretty sure it's
hubbardemeter.org.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:59):
Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:00):
And it and then you go on there, and then it's like
you want to recertify yourmeter, and you fill out all your
deets and your social and youruh your firstborn's trust
account, and then you hook rightinto the Scientology system and
your um your ACH information andall of that nonsense.

unknown (01:13:18):
Ah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:19):
Okay.
Um Yeah, look at that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:22):
Okay.
Is that a serial jack mark?
Like for a PS2 mouse?

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:27):
Exactly.
That's exactly it's an RS232connection, and it just This
meter will self-destruct in fiveminutes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:35):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:36):
It connects to your computer and then then it tells
them which e-meter it is becausethey want to be doing some they
they want to get down and findout how did one of these get out
in the wild.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:48):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:48):
So they got to track down which model it was, whose
was it, and who uh gave it tothese guys.
And so when you plug that thingin, it pings and goes, hey, I'm
in Colorado.
And uh and I'm, you know, meter5502.

(01:14:09):
Now, Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:11):
Oh, somebody said, Claire, don't forget how this
connection also monitors yourIAS membership current or not.
Interesting.
I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:20):
Where's that?

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:20):
Uh here.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:21):
You got a star these.
I don't get I don't get the thelive, I only get the stars.
Here don't forget how thisconnection also monitors your IS
member current or no.
That's true, because if you golike, hey, I need you to beam me
up, Scotty, and they say, Well,you need to beam uh you need to
beam 5K our way.
Uh you you ain't you never paidup your IAS membership or
whatever.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:42):
Yeah, here, let me answer this question.
Love and life.
Claire, did you have your owne-meter while doing OT levels in
the Sea Org?
No, I did not.
Um, if you're only sometimesgetting$46 a week, buying one of
these turret balls is not a toppriority.
So I never owned one, actually.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:00):
I don't want to say too much, but I'm pretty sure
that uh Catherine had one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:05):
Yes, she did.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:06):
And she left it behind.
She didn't bring it with her.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:10):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:11):
Which that has not been a problem.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:13):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:14):
Where the where were the plastic parts made?
Some place in Corona orsomething like that.
Some place in California.
Yeah, in California in theinland valley.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:24):
But the meters you were talking about, the Ultra
Eight meters.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:28):
Okay.
Oh, yeah.
That's a good point.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:30):
Okay, so remember how we were saying Excuse me.
Remember how we were saying thatthis whole time, these E-meters
could only be made by Sewardmembers.
Right.
Because it was a very highlyprecision technical device.
Well, obviously that was a bunchof bull.
Now, this meter was made inJapan in the same place they

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make Sony Walkman's.
That's supposedly the very highquality production line.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:02):
I thought it was Thailand, no?

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:04):
They don't make I'm pretty sure Sony is in Japan.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:07):
No, I know, I know.
I I just thought or Taiwan.
I don't know.
I'm trying to remember what Iremember.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:13):
Could somebody tell me where they made discmans or
walkmans?
The whole thing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:17):
No, I meant the e-meters.
I know.
The Ultra 8.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:20):
The s the thing that David must that the CST guys
were saying was that, oh, Mr.
Miscavige, this is going to bemade by the same people who made
discmens and walkmans.
And that's Sony.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:35):
Um but yeah, you're it's true.
They could have had Sony couldhave a manufacturing plant.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:41):
Um apparently Sony is throughout Asia, according to
Karmetsky.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:47):
Yeah.
I don't know.
That's what there's a lot ofgeopolitical nonsense that goes
on with uh electronicsmanufacturing between China and
Taiwan and Oh Mitch said Taiwanfor sure.
Oh, there you go.
There you go.
Mitch said Taiwan.
Oh yeah.
Because he was there too.
Yeah, Taiwan and Japan don'thave issues.
It's Taiwan.
Is it Taiwan?
Yeah, it's Taiwan and China thathave issues.

(01:17:10):
Anyway, so yes, if it was tie ifMitch says it was Taiwan, he was
there.
And they probably shot all kindsof videos about this thing.
Yep.
And also, remember when I toldyou guys we shot all those
films?
When we shot all those E-Meterfilms, they all had this guy in
it, the Mark Super 7.
So when that thing got outlawedand everybody had to switch over

(01:17:33):
to this one, they had to redoall of those films for like the
twentieth time.
Because first they had firstthey were old and shitty, then
they had SPs in them, then theyhad SPs in them, then they had
SPs in them, and then they hadto get a new meter.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:51):
Um and they had to redo all the e-meter reads and
the everything had to be redone.
And that's probably why Mitchknows so much about that,
because that was one of histhings.
I keep trying to make this thingnice for the camera, and it it's
not even on anymore.
Um, let's keep going.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:10):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (01:18:11):
Uh oh, here we go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:13):
Trevanon, no way to get around the silver sorting
for this new one.

SPEAKER_04 (01:18:17):
Well, that's the thing, Trevanon.
Technically, this model shouldbe bricked right now.
And it's not.
So I'm not gonna say there's away to get around it, but
obviously, if you are atechnically knowledgeable
person, there's probably a wayyou could get around it.

(01:18:38):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:38):
Um if you understand anything about the parts and its
operation, which is um moreinformation than 95%, 98% of
Scientologists who use thisthing have an understanding of.

SPEAKER_04 (01:18:53):
Those people that are hunting down space cooties,
they're not allowed to even openthis up.
Even though they know all aboutthe space cooties and they're
hunting them down with thesethings, they still aren't
allowed to be messing with thisthing or doing anything with it.
So and that's the other thing.
If you're supposed to beauditing and your e-meter needs

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to be recertified, and youhaven't recertified it, and
you're telling them, oh no, I'mgoing in session, I'm doing all
this, they know that ain't truebecause you ain't checked in yet
with your with your littlecomputer with uh your little go
to your Hubbard website andcheck in with this thing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:30):
Now in very 1984-esque.

SPEAKER_04 (01:19:33):
In the nineties, they wanted Scientology, uh,
Scientologists, they encouragedScientologists to set up an I am
a Scientologist webpage.
Right.
And the the Scientology folkshad this great idea that they'd
send everybody a CD, like youknow those ones you used to get
from AOL or or Compu Server,whoever sent those things out.

(01:19:57):
Yep.
And then uh to get on theinterwebs.
Well, they were sending them outfor people to set up their
website.
And when you'd put all your infointo this software and you'd
install your website, it wouldinstall a filter on your
computer that would write wouldreport back to them if you were
looking up Xenu and the Homeboysor if you were trying to hook up

(01:20:17):
any uh any uh Xenu and theHomeboys and the body Xenu and
the Body Thetans uh merch.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:23):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:23):
Uh they could get all that and they'd do that.
And then somebody, you know,some ex-scientologist or critic
or somebody found out they wereup to that and it went out and
it was a huge flaparama.
It was a big deal.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:35):
Yeah.
Okay.
This question is what do theytell new walk-ins that the
e-meter does?
So, yes, that's where they dothe pinch test for new people to
say, oh, this is a you know,super high-tech device that we
use that uh is revolutionary inthe field of mental health and
saving you.
And the pinch test is supposedto demonstrate that and sell you

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on the fact that the fact thatthis device allegedly reads your
thoughts and helps um uncoverareas that need to be addressed.

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:10):
There you go.
Um I don't know what this means,but it says best viewers
upcrowd.ru.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:17):
Hmm.
Don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:19):
I don't know either.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:20):
Don't visit any websites that are questionable.
Don't know what that is, butthank you.

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:25):
It's R U, so who knows?
Yeah.
Um Yeah.
All right here.
OSA, pay attention.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:32):
Yeah, hey, OSA, pay attention.
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:34):
Um anyway, no, I know that a PS2 connector is
round, but this is a similartype of ancient computer
technology that no longerexists.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:44):
Um there are people.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:47):
Bill said, I'd give Miscavige a pinch test so he
would never forget.
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:52):
Yeah, here we go.
Bunch of e-meters on eBay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:55):
The first one says lightly used LOL jokes on you.
Get that, OSA.
Lightly used.

SPEAKER_04 (01:22:01):
Yeah.
Only 10,000 sp space cootieshave been uh been around.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:05):
Oh god, when we were getting ready for this, I was
like, gosh, it made makes meshudder to even want to
contemplate how much how manyhours I spent using one of these
turd balls.
Ugh.

SPEAKER_04 (01:22:17):
Yeah.
Oh, here's a great question.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:19):
Okay.
Question.
How did Scientologists react tothe cheap plastic ones that they
paid ridiculous amounts for?
Sorry for so many questions, butthis is fascinating.
Yeah, you just don't ask.
It's mind-numbingly um forbiddento just you don't you don't talk
about that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:22:37):
Yeah.
But to be fair, the one beforethis one was even shittier than
this one.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:44):
It was a vast upgrade.
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:22:47):
They the the when they made this new one, David
Miscavige told us all that thiswhole thing to be made custom by
the same people that made theWalkman's was$40.
That was the product cost forthis e-meter.
$40.

(01:23:09):
They're selling it for$5,000.
It cost$40 for them to makethis.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:14):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:23:15):
Um so yeah, it's it's it's a big hunk of junk.
Um, the new one, we'll see.
I've never even seen inside amanufactured one.
I saw inside the test ones theywere making, but I never saw.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:26):
Yeah.
So that'll be that'll beinteresting.

SPEAKER_04 (01:23:29):
I'll I won't open it until you guys are with me.
Well, actually, let me see.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:32):
We'll do it together live, folks.

SPEAKER_04 (01:23:34):
Oh, this one's got five screws instead of six.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:37):
Oh my goodness.
Look at that high technology.

SPEAKER_04 (01:23:45):
Um anyway.
Okay.
Yeah, this is powerful OTtechnology.
Yes, there you go.
Oh, we got a super chat in high.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:52):
Oh, nice.
Oh, it's Dr.
X.
Oh, let's see.

SPEAKER_04 (01:23:55):
Uh hold on.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:56):
Question.
Will you guys talk about thespeed running trend at any
point?
It has spread all the way toEdinburgh, Scotland.
Oh, so much for that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:24:03):
Oh, sorry.
Where was it?
Oh, I missed it.
I was trying to find the superchat.
Sorry about that, guys.
Thank you, Dr.
X.
Hey folks, electronicsconnectors, chem lessons, and
debunking meter BS is betterthan an LR.
Sad that lives get ruined forbad wiring.
Oh my goodness, yes.
Thank you, Dr.
X.
I know.
It's it's it's cur it'scraziness.
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:23):
Good to see you here, Dr.
X.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 (01:24:25):
I'm so sorry I I got rid of that thing.
Uh it's okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:28):
We'll come back to it.
Well, here, let me let me showthis one meanwhile while you
look for it.
Amy, e-meters don't read mines,quote unquote.
They the e-meters don't readmines.
They measure electricalresistance tied to the auto
autonomic nervous system.
Interpretation is subjective.

SPEAKER_04 (01:24:47):
That's pretty accurate.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:48):
It is pretty accurate.

SPEAKER_04 (01:24:49):
A lot of people, the the actual original e-meter.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:55):
There's the question I got cut off.

SPEAKER_04 (01:24:57):
Okay, go for it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:58):
Well, now you took it back.

SPEAKER_04 (01:24:59):
Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:59):
You took it off again.
So now I can't read it.
There we go.
Will you guys talk about thespeedrunning trend at any point?
It has spread all the way toScotland, but Scientology were
expecting it and had police onstandby.

SPEAKER_04 (01:25:13):
Yeah.
If you're running intosomebody's place of business,
that's trespassing for at theminimum.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:20):
Right.
I the way that I could thinkabout this is like, what's
what's the purpose?
If the purpose is to stopScientology abuses, great.
If the purpose is to help peopletrapped in Scientology, let them
know that there's help on theoutside, okay.
But I don't see that any of thisis geared to that.
To me, it seems geared towardsum, like you said, trespassing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:46):
Okay, so that's really just giving fodder to
Scientology to shut downprotests.
I mean, if I'm wrong and I'mmissing something, I I'm all
ears.
To be fair, I but likeeverything we do, there's a
reason that we do this.
There's a reason, and we havethat goal in mind.
Like, what are we what are wespending our time doing this
for?
What is the goal?

(01:26:07):
Um, you know, what who are wetrying to help?
An inoculate exactly.
Exactly.
I don't know.
I maybe I'm missing something.
I just I just think it'sfeeding, it's literally
providing Scientology fodder toshut down pro protests more
broadly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:26:23):
To be fair, it's basically like ding dong and
ding dong ditch in Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:27):
Right, which we've always told our kids not cool,
dude.
Not cool.
I mean, for what?
I know.

SPEAKER_04 (01:26:33):
Anyway, it's the ding dong ditch of yeah.
It's that kind of level.
It's not, I mean, it's silly.
Um and to be fair, whenever thisthese tort sort of things
happen, they usually blame it onus on our websites, that we were
the ones that incited it.
And we're like, what?

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:54):
And again, if I'm missing something and there is
some glorious purpose to thisthat doesn't help Scientology,
then I'm missing that.
You know, I I'm certainly gladthat raising awareness about
Scientology and their abuses,that I'm fully on board with.
I do I'm just not seeing howthat this trend is accomplishing
that personally.

(01:27:15):
Here's some Steve.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:21):
I guess that's good.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:22):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:22):
S tier.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:23):
All right.
Not sure.
I might have a misunderstoodword.
Well, I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_04 (01:27:28):
It's not Z tier.
It's all the way up to S.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:31):
There you go.

SPEAKER_04 (01:27:32):
Super, I don't know, superlative.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:34):
We'll have to ask our kids.
Super fragilist to beeladocious.
A later gen than us.
On God.

SPEAKER_04 (01:27:42):
Thank you for that, Steve.
That was uh very generous ofyou.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:45):
Yes, thank you.

SPEAKER_04 (01:27:46):
Um oh wait, here's a good one.
Tom Cruise.
Did you read that one while Iwas messing around?

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:54):
Does that make Tom Cruise Claire's grand auditor?
Oh my god.
What were we talking about inthat podcast?
The six degrees of Kevin Bacon.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:03):
Six degrees of Kevin and Bacon.
Boom.
Two degrees right here, baby.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:08):
Well, no, but I was already first first degree
because I I had to put TomCruise on the meter.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:13):
First degree?

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:14):
Second degree.
I'm I'm already second degreebecause I put Tom Cruise on the
meter.
Tom Cruise put you on the meter.
I put Tom Cruise on the meter.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:21):
But you also put me on the meter, so you're also
two.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:25):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:25):
One and two.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:26):
Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:27):
Anyway, that's six degrees of Kevin Bacon shit's
fucking real.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:30):
Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:31):
Don't be messing with that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:33):
We'll talk about that some other time.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:34):
Um okay, let's see.
Oh, you want to do that?
Jen Alpha.
Um so out of date.
I'm trying to get to I'm tryingto get to I'm trying to get to
them.

unknown (01:28:43):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:44):
You can do this, honey.
No one's unstarring them after Iread it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:47):
Uh okay.
Sorry.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:50):
Okay, we will do all this on the next slide.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:52):
Can we also show what a floating needle looks
like?
Yes, we can.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:55):
When we do the when we take this one apart, well,
it's hard to recreate it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:00):
But I'm sure there's we can find a video on YouTube,
I'm sure, of a floating needleor something.
Whatever.
We'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:07):
We'll take that under consideration and get back
to you.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:10):
I'll try to figure out how to do it.
But it's just a it's just theneedle floats.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:13):
I mean, what's that's that's oh, and before I
forget, don't forget that we aredoing another bobblehead
giveaway today.
So get your comments in to beconsidered for that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:25):
And who won last year?

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:26):
Just automatically.
Our replay crew winner is noneother than Tori Magoo.
So congratulations, Tori.
It saw your comment.
I sent you an email.
I already know all your details,so that will ship to you
tomorrow.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:40):
Tori is some super old school uh person exposing
Scientology on the internet.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:46):
Been doing it for since 2000.
Yeah.
Twenty this is 30 years on.
25, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:52):
Yeah, 26 years.
She's that's what she started,2000?

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:55):
2000, yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:56):
She's been doing it for a long time.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:57):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:57):
And she actually was one of the people that was uh
tasked by OSA, the Office ofSpecial Affairs, Scientology's
Dirty Tricks Department, uhpreviously uh busted for the lar
largest infiltration of theUnited States government in its
history as the Guardian'sOffice.
Um the Office of Special Affairshad an Internet uh group of

(01:30:20):
Scientologists that knew aboutXenu and all that.
So they could go on the Internetand when people were doing
stuff, they'd get into theirgroups and they would report.
Some of these people would beagents to just capture what was
going on on the Internet messageboards and report back to OSA.
And some of those people werespike in the deck.

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They would get involved andthey'd cause conflict in these
anti or ex-scientology kind ofgroups and they'd stir stuff up
and they'd say and they'd useinformation that OSA had about
somebody and they'd say, Oh, didyou know this person was doing
this?
Did you know that person?
And they'd create infighting,and then that way everybody's

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just fighting with each other.
They're not talking aboutgetting rid of Scientology or
exposing Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:10):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:11):
Okay.
Here's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:12):
Okay, question.
Can a Scientologist sell theirmeter to another Scientologist
at a discount?

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:19):
Sure.
It's happened all that happenedall the time.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:21):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:22):
If you had um, let's just say you're a regular
run-in-the-mill Scientologistand you have two e-meters, every
Scientologist is supposed tohave two.
Because you're supposed to haveone in your session when you're
when you're an auditor orcounselor in Scientology.
If that one goes kaputsky, youjust got to grab another one
from under the desk and plug itin and get ready.

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There's a robbery.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:44):
There's a whole checklist for setting up a
session, and it it's mandatedthat you cannot start the
session until you've done thatfull checklist, which includes
having a spare meter.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:54):
And that spare has to be charged and ready to run.
Before the session, you've gotto check your current meter and
you gotta check that other one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:02):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:32:02):
Because that's the worst feeling in the world,
folks, is when you're Tom Cruiseand you've got this Mark Hedley
guy in front of you, and thatmeter goes kaputs, and you pull
that other one up and it's deadbecause you haven't plugged it
in in two years.

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:13):
You're gonna be going to cramming lashings.
Boo hoo.

SPEAKER_04 (01:32:17):
Yeah, so but yeah, no, Scientologists.
So let's just say you had two,and then they came out with one
of these new fancy dancy numbershere, and they really hard sell
you on it.
Look, you gotta do this.
I'm gonna the Sea Worg members,they're always telling the the
public, dude, I gotta get thissale, because if I don't, my
stats are gonna be done down andit's gonna uh the whole world's

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gonna end for me.
Um and they pressure them intobuying this one.
Well, now you got three.
So now if somebody needs one,you'd be like, hey, this is my
chance.
Hey, I got a I got basically alightly used one here.
Give me a thousand bucks it'syears.
Now, if you go on eBay rightnow, Scientologists, if you need
an e-meter and you don't got aneasy access to one, two

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forty-nine gets you on on eBaytoday.
Free shipping, if you're ifyou're lucky.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:09):
The range is two forty-nine to five hundred,
depending on which model.
And like we said, at least whenright before we started talking
here, we went on eBay and therewere about six of them.
And someone else I saw checkedthat too.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:21):
Yeah.
Oh, here's somebody asking.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:24):
I may have missed the explanation, but what does
brick mean when it comes to thee-meter?

SPEAKER_04 (01:33:29):
That just means that Scientology has a time bomb
built into the electronics ofeither switch.
A kill switch, a time bomb,whatever you want to say, um,
that renders it inoperableunless you hook it up to your
computer and dial into theScientology website and you get
basically it does a diagnosticscheck and they say, okay, your

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meter's good to go.
And they're basically just usingit to kind of check up on you
and keep track of these littlepuppies.
Make sure they they don't getout into the wild on some crazy
SP YouTube show.
Good job, Osa.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:04):
Yes, there you go.

SPEAKER_04 (01:34:05):
You're really doing it, Osa.
You're really doing it.
Um Okay, what else we got?
Um we could show uh you knowwhat?
Let's do the giveaway.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:16):
Yep.
Sounds good.

SPEAKER_04 (01:34:17):
And then we'll just read you know where people are
coming from and any other lastquestions.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:21):
Perfect.

SPEAKER_04 (01:34:22):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:22):
And we'll do a part two on our e-meter deep dive
exploration here.
So there you have it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:34:29):
You do do something for a little bit because I gotta
find this thing.
I don't usually do this live,and now I'm gonna have to do it
live.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:37):
All right, let's do it.
We're gonna do it live.
Okay, hold on.
Let me get to here.
Uh we're doing it live.

SPEAKER_04 (01:34:47):
Um ready?
Yep.
Okay, here we go.
Okay.
See if it works.
Okay, that'll work.
Okay, I'm doing it.
79 entries.

SPEAKER_01 (01:35:00):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:35:01):
If you don't if you don't comment right now, then
you're in for the uh you're onthe replay crew.
In the replay crew.
Yeah.
Here we go.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, get in there.
Get in there.
Oh yeah, right there.
Oh, Mitch, you almost got it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:35:15):
Oh, Thursday before two.

SPEAKER_04 (01:35:17):
Shelly Horner.

SPEAKER_00 (01:35:18):
Cheryl Horner 2486.
Cheryl, congratulations.
Oh my god.
Literally.
You wanna you wanna argue aboutthis?

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:29):
Nope.
Okay, you're right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:35:31):
Cheryl, please send me an email, Claire at
blownforgood.com.
Send me your address, and wewill and and the oh, and which
bobblehead you'd like?
We have Mike and we have Leah.
So there you go.

SPEAKER_02 (01:35:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:35:43):
Thanks to Dr.
X for the donation of Mike andLeah bobbleheads in honor of
Mike Render's birthday, whichwas April 10th.

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:49):
So awesome.
Here we go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:35:51):
All right.
Hey there, Mark, Claire, andMods and Chatters.
I will catch up on the replay,but wanted to say I'm so looking
forward to tonight's topic.
Volcano, volcano green lavaorange.

SPEAKER_02 (01:36:01):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:36:03):
Thank you, Becky.
Uh Power lies to Paralyze.
Best title ever.
I'll be watching on the replay.
Yes, that was Mark through andthrough.

SPEAKER_04 (01:36:11):
What was the title?

SPEAKER_00 (01:36:12):
Uh Scientology's Device for Talking to Aliens or
something.
Oh, that's perfect.
Nailed it.
Amy, good afternoon from sunnyWisconsin.
Good to see you here.
Happy Sunday.
Thank goodness for the stream.
Saves me from watching theYankees with my husband, LL.
Hi, Mary Kay.
Trevinon, good evening from theNetherlands.
Uh Gabriel Alexandre 6283.

(01:36:36):
Hello from still cold Romania.
Xenu is my homeboy.
Wow.
Thank you for tuning in.

SPEAKER_04 (01:36:42):
Yo, Zenu, go Xenu.

SPEAKER_00 (01:36:44):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:36:45):
Um.

SPEAKER_00 (01:36:47):
Question.
Can non-scientologists buy aused e-meter?
How much is a new e-meter?
And I think we answered that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:55):
5k for a new one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:36:57):
And yes, you can at least as of this moment in time.
We'll see if they get gobbled upby OSA.
They used to see how much thewe'll we'll use this as a gauge
of how much OSA is payingattention currently.
How about that?

SPEAKER_04 (01:37:09):
They used to be a thing, whenever any kind of old
Scientology book or e-meters orfilms or videos or laser discs
or anything that Scientology hadout there that they didn't want
in the wild.
Yep.
If they showed up on eBay, theScientologists would gobble them
up and then send them into thechurch.

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And I think they used to do thatwith e-meters.
I don't know why they're notdoing that anymore.
Maybe it's just too it's justtoo many.

SPEAKER_00 (01:37:37):
Oh here, I gotta do this one.
Okay.
This is funny.
Love and life.
Did people ever decorate thee-meters?
Just imagining someone coming inwith a Xenu sticker, LOL.

SPEAKER_04 (01:37:47):
I will tell you guys.
Oh God.
We'd have to redo, we'd have toredo, we'd have to scrub the
whole thing down with thisplastic cleaner to get all the

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the you know, you know whensomeone smokes and they're you
know, there's like kind of likethat orange-brown just kind of
hue of the nicotine and the tarand everything.
Mainly the tar, I think.
It's like a cigarette soot kindof tarnish.
Um we'd have to do that.
Lots of people would putstickers on them.
You know, like when you um whenyou're in school and you do a

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good job and you get one ofthose little stars, they'd have
those on there.
Like to kind of for someScientologists, I think they
needed little cheat sheets, sothey'd have a little star by the
buttons that they had to push towhen they did it and stuff.
We they'd come in on the metersall the time.

SPEAKER_00 (01:38:47):
Seriously?

SPEAKER_04 (01:38:48):
Stars.
Sometimes there'd be marker thatsomebody would just write their
name.
Because that was another thing.
When people when Scientologistsused to send their e-meters in,
well, it comes in and it has apackage with it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:39:02):
It's in the case.

SPEAKER_04 (01:39:03):
Well, it's however they send it in.
Usually it would be in the case,but sometimes they just send it
in a box and then it'd havepaperwork that would go with it.
And if that paperwork, becausethey take off this plate to put
a new plate on, and that's gotthe serial number on it.
If that paperwork stack gotseparated from the e-meter,

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you're never getting youre-meter back because they don't
know who it belonged to.
So some people would write withmagic marker like a sharpie,
just right on the front, BillyBob.
And then that way they'd get thethey know they're it wouldn't
get lost.

SPEAKER_00 (01:39:36):
Yep.
Uh we did that one?
Yep, we did that one.

SPEAKER_04 (01:39:40):
Um, ooh, Lisbon.

SPEAKER_00 (01:39:41):
Hi from Lisbon, nice.
Hello, hello.
Hello from somewhere alongInterstate AD in California,
Toons Malloy.
Nice.
Greetings from Cameron, NorthCarolina, Betsy Sue, hello from
London, Satan's Thayton.
Hi, all from England, nice.
Howdy from Wyoming, hi Tracy.
Hello from Austin, Texas, GraceCase.

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Um, Valerie, hi from BritishColumbia.
Watching from California.
Hello, hello.
Hello from Auckland, NewZealand.
Nice.
I love it.
Hello from Henderson, Nevada.

SPEAKER_04 (01:40:17):
Oh, here's a good one.
Oh, here I'll do this one andthen we'll do another question.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:20):
Okay.
Hi from Kington, Herefordshire.
First chat.
Been watching since COVID.
Wow.
Well, thank you for chatting.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40:27):
Nice.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:28):
Good to have you here.
Uh Amy, and how many solocourses did one do and pay for?
How many versions?
I think at least three that Idid.
Yeah.
Well, built into um, so ifyou're talking like, let's say,
you know, you did the OT levelsin the 80s or 90s.
Then you did solo part one andsolo part two.

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Those are two different soloauditor training courses.
So that's two.
And you do those before beforeyou start the OT one to three.

SPEAKER_04 (01:40:59):
That's right.
So then before you find outabout the space cooties, you
have to do those courses tolearn how to audit yourself.

SPEAKER_00 (01:41:06):
Yes.
So that's two that are just, youknow, basic.
Then OT six is also um, and Ithink that one is part A, part
B, part C, if I'm rememberingcorrectly.
But so so part A and part B arealso considered.
So OT6, part A, and Part B.
So now we're talking about foursolo auditor courses that you've

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done.

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:41:30):
Then in 1996, with the release of Golden Age of
Tech, then you now had solocertainty course for the lower
level and solo not certaintycourse for the upper levels.

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:45):
So that's five so far.

SPEAKER_00 (01:41:46):
Six.

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:47):
Okay, six, if you say so.

SPEAKER_00 (01:41:49):
And then who knows what since then.
But so at the time we left,there were six.
And probably that everyone's hadto redo all of those several
times over.
So a lot is the answer to thatquestion.

SPEAKER_04 (01:42:01):
Yeah.
And so to be fair, so you haveto learn about uh you use the
e-meter in all of the a lot ofthe Scientology counseling, all
the way up before the OT levels.

SPEAKER_00 (01:42:14):
Aaron Ross Powell Correct.
Yeah.
It's so so really the same.

SPEAKER_04 (01:42:17):
But somebody is with you doing it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:42:19):
Correct.
Yeah.
So if you're looking at thebridge to total freedom, ARC
straight wire is the very bottomone below grade zero.
And that's where you start usingthe e-meter in Scientology.
And on the other some of the youknow, subsidiary, shall we say,
or uh, you know, preliminary orother things, like method one

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word clearing uses an e-meter.
There's other things.
But from the bridge perspective,ARC straight wire is the first
level that requires use of thee-meter, then grade zero, grade
one, grade two, grade three, upto the state of clear.
And after the state of clear,when you start the OT levels, is
when you're now using thee-meter on yourself.

SPEAKER_04 (01:43:01):
Yeah.
And oh my God, I totally forgotabout this.
Now this is crazy.
And if Scientologists knew this,they would be super pissed.

SPEAKER_00 (01:43:11):
Oh, good.

SPEAKER_04 (01:43:13):
When the new meter was made, it was made in 2004.
But there was no way that theycould release them because they
had to redo all the films andthey had to redo all this other
stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:26):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:43:27):
You know who got one of these before anybody else?
Tom Cruise.
And what we did at Golden EraProductions is we took the guts
from the brand new Super 8Quantum e-meter in 2004.
We took the guts of this and putit, we uh he had a bunch of them

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and we put it into old e-metercases.
Uh-huh.
So he had the new e-meter yearsand years and years before any
other Scientologists.
And the only other place I thinkwe did that was for Florida.
They also made a bunch for theFlorida um location where they

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where they were doing auditingpeople.
They had them as well.

SPEAKER_01 (01:44:13):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:44:13):
And here's the crazy thing, guys.
They were the beta testers forthis thing.
So they had an they had a newe-meter, but it had different
guts.
And they didn't know, they knewthey had special e-meters, but
they didn't know what wasdifferent about them.
And they were kept track of.
But Tom Cruise was the veryfirst Scientologist to get one

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of these new e-meters.
And I want to say they came outin 2011.
I don't know if somebodycommented.

SPEAKER_00 (01:44:42):
I think Catherine said 2013 was when they were
finally released.
Okay, so yeah, they were made.
I mean, we were still there andwe were hearing about how they
were forty dollars and they havestock of them and they and we
were shown them.

SPEAKER_04 (01:44:55):
We saw them all the time.
They had them all over theproperty.

SPEAKER_01 (01:44:58):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:44:58):
Um and we and we had the new ones at the property.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45:01):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:45:02):
So they were out in 2004, 2005, I think that's when
they started getting a quantityof them.

SPEAKER_00 (01:45:09):
Oh yeah, Catherine said 2013 was the release of
Golden Age of Tech 2 and the newmeter.

SPEAKER_04 (01:45:15):
So that means Tom Cruise had the had a new Mark
VIII quantum at least 10 yearsbefore almost 10 years before
Scientology got regular.
These million buckarooists gottheir hands on one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:45:29):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:45:30):
Oh, here's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:45:32):
Mark, how many times did you hook up just with Tom
Cruise?

SPEAKER_04 (01:45:37):
I love how you use hookup.
Uh I was plugged into hise-meter.

SPEAKER_00 (01:45:42):
Um, I I hooked him up.
No, you didn't.
I did.
When did you?

SPEAKER_04 (01:45:47):
Oh, yeah, like when just word clearing.
You weren't interrogating me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:45:50):
No, I did a review session with you for key to when
you were on key to life.

SPEAKER_04 (01:45:54):
Okay, great, baby.
Before we were married.
I didn't even remember that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:45:57):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:45:58):
Anyway, no, whenever you get I I like I said earlier,
when I was y very young, I thinkI was probably 14 is when I
learned how to use an e-meter.
Um, I had to go, my mom insistedthat I go and do the e-meter
course.
And I did it after school.
I get off at 5 30 from school,travel back down to from La

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Cresena to back down toHollywood.
And then I think it was coursewas 7 to 10.

SPEAKER_00 (01:46:27):
7 to 9.30.
Two and a half hours.

SPEAKER_04 (01:46:29):
7 to 9.30.

SPEAKER_00 (01:46:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:46:30):
And I'd go do um, I think it was 10 because there
was a break in there somewhere.
Are they break included in thetwo and a half hours?
Um anyway, and I went on courseand I did this course in in Los
Angeles.

SPEAKER_00 (01:46:43):
They stopped doing breaks, by the way.

SPEAKER_04 (01:46:45):
They did?
How are you gonna get thoseCheetos in the middle of a big
play?

SPEAKER_00 (01:46:51):
There's only a break if you're on full-time study.
So then you're 9 30 to 12, thenyou break for lunch, 1 to 3 30,
that uh or what was it?

SPEAKER_03 (01:47:00):
You're right.
I think you're right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:47:01):
It was a 15-minute afternoon break between the two
periods.
Anyway, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 (01:47:05):
I'm just gonna go out and say it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:47:07):
Blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:47:08):
Gonna lay it all out.
Uh I took breaks and I wasn'tsupposed to take breaks.

SPEAKER_00 (01:47:15):
The the the Might have been a there were there
were frequent occasions whenyou'd even during the two and a
half hour staff study, Billy Bobwould be like, Oh, can I go to
the bathroom?
And then we'd be like, BillyBob's been gone for like 30
minutes.
And then someone would have togo check the bathroom.
Oh, hi, Bella.

SPEAKER_01 (01:47:36):
Hi, Bella.

SPEAKER_04 (01:47:38):
Um Yeah.
You had to if to leave thecourse room, you would raise
your hand.

SPEAKER_01 (01:47:44):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:47:44):
Like it was like a like a school.
You'd have to raise your handand say, put your hand up.
And then the supervisor, that'sthe person watching over
everybody.
Hey Bella.
That's a German shepherd.
She's sniffing out the Hi.
Sniffing out the cootie, cootiedetector.
Okay.
Bella, you just you justentered.
She literally just opened thatdoor.

SPEAKER_00 (01:48:05):
I know.
She's like, anyway.

SPEAKER_04 (01:48:12):
If you wanted to get no if you wanted to get up in
the middle of the course periodin that two and a half hours, if
you wanted to leave the courseroom, you have to raise your
hand and say, hey, I'm supposedto go here at this time, or I'm
supposed to do this.
You can't just walk out.
That's a blow.

SPEAKER_00 (01:48:26):
Yeah.
You don't want to be blown.
If you need to go to thebathroom, you have to tell the
supervisor, I need to go to thebathroom.

SPEAKER_04 (01:48:32):
No blowing.
And that way.

SPEAKER_00 (01:48:34):
That way, if you need to go to the bathroom ten
minutes later, it's a firm no.

SPEAKER_04 (01:48:38):
Yeah, they keep they keep track on those uh those
little breaks.
And I will say, more than once,I might have had some uh some
legs fall asleep, taking alittle long, too long of a break
in the middle of that courseperiod.

SPEAKER_00 (01:48:52):
Yeah, it's a dead giveaway when you come back from
the bathroom and you have yourhand prints imprinted on your
face.
It's like dude, not a good look.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:01):
When you're in the Sea Org and you're working,
basically you're working, you'regetting up at seven and you're
getting to bed maybe at midnightor one.
And you're listening to Hubbardon the on the cassettes, or if
you're reading pages and pagesof Hubbard, the chances of you
falling asleep is pretty high.
And if you fall asleep, thatmeans you had a misunderstood

(01:49:22):
word, and that's a whole mess oftrouble you don't want.
So you go to the bathroom andyou do that little nap time, and
then you come back.
But sometimes people would walkin and they'd have two big
hands, like they'd have they'dhave hand prints on their face
when they walk back in andyou're just like, oh shit, dude.
Billy Bob, you gotta, you gottawake up, get the circulation

(01:49:45):
flowing, and then come back in.

SPEAKER_00 (01:49:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:49):
Okay, oh here we go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:49:51):
Okay.
Isn't he imprisoned in amountain like in Superman?

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:54):
You know what, Thursday before two?
You have you were on.
You were on it.
Yeah.
I she's talking I say shebecause she's got Aria's uh
she's a she to me now.
I don't know what to tell youThursday before two.
Um Thursday at two o'clock is bythe way, that's when Scientology
ends their week.
So Thursday before two is whenall the stats have to be made.

(01:50:16):
So this is all inside baseballwith this guy or gal or whoever
it is.
Aria uh killed the White Walker,King the White Walker King.
Anyway, um Lord Zenu in in inHubbard folklore in OT3, he says
that the loyal officers capturedLord Zenu and they imprisoned

(01:50:40):
him in a mountain with electricbars on the on the cell.
But here's a little thing thatHubbard didn't know they used
ever-ready batteries to powerthat gate.
And those I mean, we're talkinglike old alkaline battery
technology, not great.
And as soon as they wore off,Zinu just walked right out.

(01:51:03):
No problems.
So he's out now.

SPEAKER_01 (01:51:06):
He's right here.
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:51:08):
Get in there and get some of that right there.
Hey, Zenu.
Hey, take it easy.

SPEAKER_00 (01:51:12):
There you go.

SPEAKER_04 (01:51:13):
Um, okay.
Uh I think we're good.
Let's do a few more questionsand we'll bail.

SPEAKER_00 (01:51:18):
Okay, fair enough.
A few more questions, and thenwe'll let you all get back to
your Sunday.
How do you beta test it?
Not like there is a proper QAplan with expected outcomes and
use cases.
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:51:30):
Well, no, like this language thing.
Somebody could have said, Idon't I can't tell what's doing
on here, and they could havesaid, Oh, we could put that menu
in different languages.

SPEAKER_00 (01:51:39):
But for the most part, the beta testing was
literally just you would beusing one of the new e-meters.
You used them at the base,right?
Oh my god, this is so preciseand like unlike any that's what

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was expected.
That was beta testing.

SPEAKER_04 (01:52:04):
Yeah, but they would they would people they wanted
people to use them and see howthey were get their feedback.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52:12):
Yep.
Because this feedback wasexpected to be nothing but
glowing.

SPEAKER_04 (01:52:16):
Well, yeah, but if you're looking for space cooties
and you're only finding five orsix a day, and you get this
thing and you're up to 30, 40,5,000 space cooties, this thing
really this thing puts upnumbers.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52:30):
Uh, but uh what's to say the people using it solo
don't fudge their own session,Dr.
X?
Right.
Good question.

SPEAKER_04 (01:52:43):
When you when you're doing at least OT seven, it
takes years and years.
You have millions and millionsand millions of space cooties in
you, right now.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52:53):
Everybody and when you're solo auditing at home,
you're absolutely right.
There's no way that they atleast, I don't know, maybe it's
changed now and they you requireyou to video.
I doubt it.
But you are when you're trainingto become a solo auditor at
FLAG, you absolutely have tovideo a solo session to prove
yourself as a solo auditor.

(01:53:14):
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_04 (01:53:15):
But every time you go in one of these sessions with
yourself, you keep worksheets.
So it has the day, what you'redoing, how many clusters of
cooties you found, all theinformation you write down.

SPEAKER_00 (01:53:28):
Yeah.
And and by the way, as part ofyour six-month check, you're
interrogated to did you falsifya session worksheet or did you
do anything that you shouldn'thave done?
Anything that's out tech.

SPEAKER_04 (01:53:41):
Yeah.
If you get up to nonsense andyou're just you could even just
make the worksheets and write upeverything like you did it, and
then just put that in and keepdoing that.
So there's a paper trail.
So then when you go for when yougo for your six-month check,
this folder that you have forall of these things, it's called

(01:54:01):
a PC folder, a pre-clear folder.
And even when you're an OT, youstill have the folder, except
now it's an OT folder.
It's still the same folder.
They just call it somethingdifferent.
It's a manila file folder.
Um, legal.
Um, and um when you have that,you keep all those worksheets in

(01:54:24):
that.
And then when you have to go forthat six-month check, you have
to bring that folder with youand turn it over to them.

SPEAKER_00 (01:54:30):
To the case supervisor.

SPEAKER_04 (01:54:32):
And they go through it and they rev they go through
all these and they're like, oh,this guy's putting up shitty
cootie numbers.
He's gotta work harder.
He's pulling three or four.
He needs to pull three or fourthousand, not three or four, not
a handful.

SPEAKER_00 (01:54:44):
Yeah.
Oh, here we go.
Amy answered my question.
Perfect.
No, you only video a flag, andwhen you finish, and of course,
every six months theyinterrogate you to see if you
falsified.
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:54:54):
We're right on track, guys.

SPEAKER_00 (01:54:55):
Yep, there you go.
Not not a whole lot has changedin the last 21 years.

SPEAKER_04 (01:55:00):
Well, no, they can't change it.
Hubbard said it was supposed tobe that way.
That's the way they got to doit.
David, this gavage only gets totweak things that he wants to do
that Hubbard didn't ever said todo.

SPEAKER_00 (01:55:08):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:55:08):
Not the stuff he said to do.
Um Okay, let's do a few morequestions.

SPEAKER_00 (01:55:14):
All right.
Okay.
A few more questions here.
Okay, Mark, I think you said the2013 e-meter originally had a
serial port in it.
What happened there?

SPEAKER_04 (01:55:23):
So they it still does.
So I was told that once theymade these, that this was old
and it was gonna be they had toput an adapter in there, and
that was a big old problem.

SPEAKER_00 (01:55:35):
Yeah.
And the because it can't bereleased as like cutting-edge
technology and then like, oh,whoops, we have an old connector
here, and here's an adapter.

SPEAKER_04 (01:55:43):
Yeah.
So but so the story I was toldis that they were gonna have to
open up every single one andswitch this to a USB.

SPEAKER_01 (01:55:50):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:55:51):
And I assumed that's what they did because they would
it would be silly to have thisthing in there, and everybody
has to use an adapter and it'sold school and blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:56:01):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:56:02):
But it doesn't look like they updated it.
And I have Intel on a meterthat's brand new and it's got
the same exact thing in it.
So I don't know if they'veswitched them and I don't know.
If anybody out there has got abrand spanking new one of these
little uh market easy bake ovenones, then um then yeah.

(01:56:24):
Send me a picture of it.
You don't even have to send itin, just send me a picture of
the back if it's got USB in it.
Yeah.
Or send me a picture that it itdoesn't.
You mean I'm just saying uh Idon't know that they they're a
recent sale, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:56:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:56:40):
They didn't make that many.
They didn't make that many.

SPEAKER_00 (01:56:43):
No.

SPEAKER_04 (01:56:44):
I want to say we didn't when they made these new
ones, they didn't make more thanfive, ten thousand of them.

SPEAKER_01 (01:56:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:56:52):
And even when we did the old e-meters, the Mark 7s, I
don't think there was more than40,000.
They were in the 40,000s on theserial numbers at when we left,
or uh, you know, before evenbefore we left.
I think they were in the highthirties or the low forties.
So that's another thing.

(01:57:13):
If there's millions and millionsof Scientologists, there'd have
to be millions and millions ofe-meters, and they're just
eight.
Nope.
They didn't make they didn'tmake one million of these when
they came out.
They made thousands.

SPEAKER_01 (01:57:27):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:57:29):
Okay, here we go.
What's people didn't fudge theirown thing?
Serial port, how do you betatest it?
Okay, here we go.
What's this one?

SPEAKER_00 (01:57:39):
Question.
Did the people in the hole havestats?
Number of confessions beaten outof people, etc.

unknown (01:57:45):
I don't think.

SPEAKER_00 (01:57:46):
They didn't have those kinds of stats.
The ethics department had thestat of situations found and
handled.
Um but in the whole there wereabsolutely they called it group
confessions, group seances, um,you know, group beatings.
Uh anyway.

(01:58:06):
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_04 (01:58:07):
The the situations found and handled is an
interesting stat because you'realways finding situations, but
you're not always handling them.

SPEAKER_00 (01:58:14):
That's right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:58:15):
So like I'm a unhandled situation.
Because I mean we weresituations that were found and
we ain't never been handled.

SPEAKER_00 (01:58:23):
Or rather, not found.
We escaped and we've got to be.
Well, they found it then.
They found out there's asituation then.
Oh boy, sucks to suck, Osa.
What can we say?
All right, I think we're goodfor today, honey.

SPEAKER_04 (01:58:36):
We are.
It's we will this is a long one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:58:38):
Catherine said, you two are the biggest unhandled
situations in all ofScientology.
Yeah, true story.
No, no, no, no, no.
Listen, true story.
We were told once by a friend ofours that they were told they
could talk to any suppressive inthe world, just not Mark and
Claire.
True story.

SPEAKER_04 (01:58:56):
Yeah, but even better.
We ran into some Sea Org membersvery shortly after we left.

SPEAKER_00 (01:59:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:59:02):
I want to say in 2006.

SPEAKER_00 (01:59:04):
A few times we did.
There were a few times.

SPEAKER_04 (01:59:06):
And they were very nice to us.

SPEAKER_00 (01:59:08):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:59:08):
Oddly enough, we didn't know why.
They were like, oh, hello, sir,and uh like we were still
executives.

SPEAKER_00 (01:59:14):
Yeah, it was super spooky.

SPEAKER_04 (01:59:16):
And then we found out from somebody who escaped
after that that they told theSea Org members that we worked
with that we were on a specialproject for RTC or CSGO.

SPEAKER_00 (01:59:27):
At CST, which is most most likely were Shelley
Miscavige's.

SPEAKER_04 (01:59:32):
Yeah.
They said we were on a specialproject to not let them know
that we escaped.
Right.
I mean, obviously some peopleknew we escaped, but they told
the general staff.

SPEAKER_00 (01:59:40):
They kept it on the DL.

SPEAKER_04 (01:59:41):
Yeah, they told the general staff because we both
disappeared at the same time.

SPEAKER_00 (01:59:45):
And we were both, I mean, within that ecosystem of
that base, everybody knew who wewere.
I mean, we'd been there for youknow 14, 15, 16 years.
So, anyhow, there you go.

SPEAKER_04 (01:59:59):
Yeah.
Yep.
Situation found, not handled.

SPEAKER_00 (02:00:03):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (02:00:04):
Okay, here we go.
What do we got?
Let's get let's end it.

SPEAKER_00 (02:00:07):
That was amazing.
Looking forward to the next one.
This is really interesting.
Thank you.
We're glad you enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_04 (02:00:12):
Are we gonna do Mother's Day?

SPEAKER_00 (02:00:14):
I don't know.
I mean, we're we can't doSaturday because that's the day
that we're both traveling backfrom a work trip.
So we'll figure it out.
Maybe we'll just skip it forMother's Day and let everyone
enjoy the holiday.

SPEAKER_04 (02:00:29):
Like somebody was mad, we didn't do it on Easter.
I think we were that Sunday wewere out as an Easter.

SPEAKER_00 (02:00:36):
We'll um we'll just take a beat and we'll get input
from our amazing mods.
Yeah, we'll get it.
If you guys have a preference,drop a comment.

SPEAKER_04 (02:00:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (02:00:44):
I'm kind of I'd like to celebrate Mother's Day.

SPEAKER_04 (02:00:48):
Mother's Day.
Let's not do crazy stuff.
We call it the crazy place.
So our neighbors and everybodythat knows us.

SPEAKER_00 (02:00:54):
Yeah, maybe we'll record we'll release a
pre-recorded thing.
I'll get with Clara.
I have some ideas.

SPEAKER_04 (02:00:58):
Holy moly.
There you go.

SPEAKER_00 (02:01:00):
That's a that's a good idea.
That's a that's a happycompromise.

SPEAKER_04 (02:01:03):
Anyway.

SPEAKER_00 (02:01:04):
Yeah, Clara approves.
Yay.

SPEAKER_04 (02:01:06):
Perfect.

SPEAKER_00 (02:01:07):
Awesome.

SPEAKER_04 (02:01:08):
Okay, guys.
Well, as you know, I do like toput up uh your comments.
Goodbye.
Thanks for whatever at the endof the video when the outro
plays.
So if you want to get in therewith some nonsense, this is the
time to do it.

SPEAKER_00 (02:01:19):
Thanks to everybody who joined us today.
We're glad you enjoyed thisspecial edition e-meter deep
dive.

SPEAKER_04 (02:01:26):
And we will do another one with the new one.

SPEAKER_00 (02:01:30):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (02:01:31):
And uh and we'll have to think of another great
title for that one.

SPEAKER_00 (02:01:34):
Yes, there you go.
We already have the title.

SPEAKER_04 (02:01:36):
The new way Scientologists find their space
cooties.
Awesome, guys.
Until next time.
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