July 24, 2023 • 39 mins
Brandi unravels the fascinating journey of Kato Kaelin, a houseguest on Celebrity Big Brother who gained fame for unexpected reasons. Kato shares his firsthand experience of being in the wrong place at the wrong time and the profound impact it had on his life. Furthermore, they discuss his exciting upcoming shows, offering a glimpse into his promising future projects. Get ready for an intriguing discussion on the twists and turns of fame, as we uncover Kato Kaelin's unique story.
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Straw Hot media. Are You're justtrying to make us jealous? Like what
is this? You have to oneup us? Wow from straw Hut media.
This is Brandy Glandville on the field. So you're gonna take a quick
nap and then you're gonna get readyand go to dinner. Yeah. Yeah,
(00:24):
I couldn't um sleep last tonight.I was just like the tossing and
turning. Um. So I'm gonnanap if I can. I have to
turn my phone off. So ifyou're calling me, I'm not answering it,
Like, sorry, don't get madyou're talking to me specifically or anyone,
Okay, okay, Because I wokeup and I had my computer,
I didn't where I put my phone, and it was like, I'm trying
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to call you. I'm like,ah, I was trying to call you.
You didn't hear it. No,it went straight to voicemail. We'll
cause my phone was off. Didyou find it though? Yeah, I
knew it was. I knew itwas in my bed. I just didn't
you know, like it gets ina crack somewhere and you don't know whether
it is speaking of crap. I'mkidding. Um, we have we have
Kate o'caitlin on today speaking of crack, because I think didn't he snow crack?
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I don't know, not Cato I'mtalking about. I don't know what
happened. Let's not okay, we'regoing to try to separate Cato from the
I don't even like to think aboutOJA honestly, Yeah, it's so disgusting,
Like, honestly, I feel badfor Cato. I think I might
have met him before. But youknow, like when you watch someone on
TV, you're seeing the magazines,you're not really sure if you've met them
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or it's just you see them onTV. Right, So let's let's recognize
his face. But I don't knowwhere I would have seen him from.
Oh, I would know him ina heartbeat, like because he's infamous.
He's Kate o'caitlin, the most infamoushouse guests of all time, Okay,
but I wouldn't know if I likehow, I don't know. I've met
so many people over the years.I definitely haven't seen him recently. But
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I think you think, do youthink that he's trying to get over the
most famous house guest of all time? I don't know. I mean we're
gonna have to ask him. Ifeel like at this point he's got to
embrace it. That's true. Itprobably could lead to bigger and more exciting
things than being a house guest.Well yeah, I mean, it's been
fucking a long time, Ryan,Let's let's hope. Let's click catan so
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you can stop like projecting. Okay, like you're the most notorious house guests
of all time? Well yeah,guest, house guest, guest, house
guests. Yes, yet I liketo prefer being called America's favorite house guest.
I you know what, I wasn'tever really mad at you, because
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it's not like you asked for it. You were just staying there. You're
the wrong place at the wrong fuckingtime, do you know, Brandy,
I gotta say something about that,because wrong place, Wrong time. I
just this week we sold our showcalled Wrong Place, Wrong Time, and
you said that, and I knowit's going to be very successful Jupiter Entertainment,
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which is the premier true crime peopleto have a show with. So
it's so funny you just said thatwrong place, wrong time because as basically
yet, I was the fish outof water and there's other people that have
stories just like mine, so I'dbe the host of that and we'll probably
I'm going to New York next weekand we'll shoot the pilot. Well,
I mean, it's changed the courseof your life, just happening to be
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in the wrong place at the wrongtime, and there's so many people that
this has happened too, and you'rejust like, wow, if I just
didn't have to be staying there,if I like, there's like what if,
Like what if I wasn't doing this. I compare that Brandy to my
life with the old film called SlidingDoors with Gwyneth Paltrow and you decide which
door to go through and how yourlife changes through each door, and my
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you know, I call it akind of the blueprint of life, where
my blueprint was like Kato, Iknow, you want to be an actor
and all this, but your lifeis going to take a different trajectory,
so accept it. So basically you'vegot to accept everything that happens to your
life, and life is life isso short. So I'm kind of grabbing
it by the you know, andjust I'm having an absolute great, great
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time. I've always been a funperson, so when I was during the
trial, it was the first timeI ever experienced people with a hate or
just a viciousness, and it wasincredible because I grew up in a family
of six in Wisconsin and everything wasloving, loving, loving Midwest family.
And then when I experienced that differentpart of life, I knew that not
everybody was raised the same way asme. And I also realized that people
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I think it's easier to criticize,to accept and to compliment, and I
just you know, I'm sure you'vegone through many, many, many things
where people don't even know you andthey'll just say, I don't like her,
I hate her, I want herdead, I hope she died exactly.
And it's like, you know,give some of the better of the
doubt, meet them first, thenmake a judgment. Is I've always said
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that, I said, make ajudgment before you kind of make fun of
me or whatever whatever you want tobelieve. So the court of public opinion,
it sort of takes precedent over everything, and then you got to prove
to the court of public opinion,hey that's not true. I'm I'm an
okay guy. So I got throughthis. I used to feel like I
had to prove that I was agood person to everyone, And then I
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realized, why the fuck do Icare about these strangers when I my family
knows I'm a good person, myfriends know I'm a good person. It
took me years to get to thatpoint. Don't get me wrong, because
I did used to care. ButI mean, in your situation, you
literally were just in the wrong fuckingplace at the wrong fucking time. I'm
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like, it's not his fault.He didn't kill anyone, right, you
know. And I think people whenwhen you're on a TV screen, because
it was televised and all that,everybody wants to make a judgment. They
want to they want to be connectedto it. And I think so so
many people saw the entire trial asa soap opera and I wasn't really a
real person. I was just anactor. Cato is what they had in
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their mind as a soap character.Whoither you love me or you hated me,
and you made your judgment of whatthis person was all about. And
you know, I really believe thatwhen older I get in my life,
it's sort of like you kind offear certain things in life, and then
you get older, it's like,you know, I don't fear anything else.
I'm not going to change. I'mthe same guy. I have no
fear. So those that will loveme great, those that don't like me
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great. I have my I youknow, my life is going to continue.
Yeah, And I think I reallyam a firm believer of everything happens
for a reason, because I've askedmyself, what if I could just take
those past few days back, whatif I did this? You can't,
So you have to go forward withpositivity and try to make, you know,
lemonade out of lemons. I feellike a lot of people they're so
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into headline morn these days, orthey see you. You're an actor,
you're a good looking guy, theydon't automatically don't like you. Or the
fact that you're friendly with someone who'son child for murder. Yeah, he's
like, you're going down with him? If that makes sense. Yeah,
I know it makes sense, AndI think people did exactly what you're saying.
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I just, first of all,I've been in the I've had my
Screen Actress Guild card for over fortyyears. The trial made me famous for
all, by the way, forall the wrong reasons. I became famous
backwards. First for the most terriblesituation two beautiful people who were murdered.
And I know that's why I'm famous, and it's just it's the horrible that
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I'm famous for that reason. ButI went to an acting academy, Everything
was, everything was before that.I used to go to movie premiers.
Before the trial, I used todo things. And I tell the story.
My friend, his name is AaronMyerson. He was at New Line
Cinema and the week before the murdersactually happened, I tested for a movie.
And I bring this up only becauseI had a life before the trial.
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I tested for this movie. Itwas called Dumb and Dumber, and
it was the long haired role.I called my children, by the way,
I called my boys dumb and dumberwhen they really are getting on my
nerves. But go on, wellthat that's a complimentary pu a great film.
So my buddy, my buddy producedthat movie and I went in for
it and it tested for certain parts. But I just go back in that
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because from that moment on, mylife stopped. I sort of became a
caricature and I was never really takenseriously. Now obviously I am and everything
is going up, you know,pretty terrific, But going through what the
judgment of how everybody is like,no, no, I had a life
before this, I know. SoI accept the fact that, uh,
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like, like I said, Iwould, you will never get away from
it exactly, But I accepted.I know that's the reason. And god,
god, it's a it's a horriblehorror crime. And there were two
young people, two beautiful people,and and that's but you didn't commit the
crime. Let's be clear. Sothis is what I said, Like you
guys like every interview I do,No matter what I do, I will
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always be known for my public divorceand being a house life. I'm like
you, guys, realize I've donethirteen other fucking shows since then. No
one wants like they will always thatquestion about oh J will always be a
question for you, and there's nothingyou can fucking do about it. And
it sucks. But as long asyou get your head around it, and
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it's like you're like, wait,I was like doing all this work before,
it's like being stamped with the scarletletter, you'll never get around it.
Well, I agree with that,but I also say that you can,
like you said, you've done somuch after I think the more you
do, like I said, Ijust have a show of pilot coming out.
It's terrific. I leave this weekfor Shy and I produce a show
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and hosta called Ice Force with iceskating. It's just it's just the fights,
no sticks, no pucks, justfist and it's our third pay per
view and it's it's it's just becominga huge, huge hit from Barstool Sports
to Pat Kafee. If you afterthe show, people can go to ice
wars on their ICE's War on Instagram. You'll it's becoming the phenomenal global phenomenal
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kidding you because people love this mmA UFC type fighting. So now we
got guys, we have hockey guyson ice doing the fighting. So it's
pretty incredible. But anyways, Ithink the more you can do it's sort
of like the latter. Sure it'sOJ's there, but I'm trying to get
stuff above that on the steps.What I'm saying is it's not that you're
not going to be successful in anyway. I'm just saying that question that that
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will always be a question. LikeI've I've just gotten my head around it.
Listen, I've gone on to doamazing things. It's I'm super proud
of myself. I've been successful,but I cannot, like you'll never escape
the question, but at a pointyou just have to shrug your shoulders and
be like, you know what,it is part of my story and come
up with your answer that you giveeveryone so they just stop fucking talking about
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it, Like I have my sameanswer I give them. I think we
I think we've met once, butI think it was at a believe it
or not. I love your attitudeand where he's talking because that's the way
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people should be because I can tellyou're brutally honest. If I think it
was, it was at least tenyears ago in Palm Springs at a celebrity
golf event. If you remember,I think you did want at least ten
years ago. Yeah, I havedone. I feel like I was thinking
in my head, have I methim? Have I not? Because like
you know, when you see peopleon CV and you watch and like like
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you feel like I don't know whoI've met and who I haven't met.
But I think I remember meeting you. Yeah, I think I think it
was, and I think it wasif I think it was John O'Hurley from
Seinfeld and uh oh, I lovehim. He was just on the podcast.
Okay, so I think it wasat his event or he was the
MC. So that's at least tenyears ago in Palm. Yeah, no,
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for sure. And then you didyou did what reality? Did you
do a Big Brother? Which showdid you do? Yeah? Yeah,
I just did a celebrity Big Brother? And I think you did one of
the did you do that? Idid the first season? Okay, you
did the first season? Yeah,so I did it. You probably did
it with less Moonbez. I didit with Kelly call was the president of
CBS, who, by the way, is the coolest guy in the world,
but he's a were both Wisconsin guys, so when I met him in
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his office, we started headbudding andtalking sports. I said, okay,
this is a friend for life.So I just was at his house for
July fourth party. Oh that's amazing. Yeah. No, it was a
really like everyone that worked on theshow was so cool and I had a
great time. Not the cast.I didn't love everyone on the cast,
but like the like the crew.They were so awesome. Yeah, I
think I felt the same way.It's like I got along with one person.
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It's twenty four seven. The hardpart was people don't realize that when
they have those lights on in theold time, there's actually no sleep none.
And also you, I don't knowwhen you did it. We didn't
know if it was day or nightoutside because they were building the sets,
so we didn't get any We didn'tget a lot of outsidetime, so we
didn't know if they were fucking withus. Because the clocks are different,
we were. We were a disaster. Yeah. Yeah. And the other
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thing was that I'm glad I didit. I don't think I never do
it again, but I'm glad Idid it. Yeah. No, I
had a good time. I mean, like, looking back, I wish
I hadn't watched the show. Iwas a replacement for someone at the last
minute, so I had no ideawhat I was doing. I want to
go back now that I'm a fanof the show, I watch it with
a little more strategy. Oh,completely of because I think the thing is
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I start trusting everybody. I thought, Okay, no way, they're going
to screw around with you, andyep, I'm the same Yeah, I'm
the same way. I'm like theydid. I thought we were friends.
They should actually call it celebrity Backstadwell, that's what it is, like,
that's the whole concept of the show. But I didn't. Yeah,
I was figuring out as I went. But it was fun, like,
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it was a great experience. Likebut living with I mean, I lived
with two teenage boys, so I'mkind of used to the grossness. But
living with all these grown men ensharing a fucking bathroom with them, I
was so disgusted. Yeah, Ithink if your your kids see you on
the show, that probably it's totallyrooting for mom to win. They don't
ever watch her on TV. It'sfine they plus I don't know. Honestly,
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I don't really want them to.My wife is leaving. I'm just
selling her. I have to wearheadsets. That's it makes it better.
I want to say, Hi,she's going to her it's going to her
workout so fun. I used todo pilates when I was fancy. Um,
oh, yeah, I know,she's a we Actually I just got
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married, so it's that's incredible.But I don't know if she'd make an
appearance, but she's a she's waving. No, she won't go on camera,
but she's terrific. I feel thesame way today, So don't worry.
About it. And by the way, our show is my show with
a guy named Tom Zenner, who'sterrific. Tom is a former NBC,
former Fox News anchor sports anchor.But our show is called One Degree of
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Scandalous, and it's the perfect topicwe get. We get just a slew
of people on our show that havebeen involved in scandal in some way.
That's so smart because I mean,who better to host that? By the
way, yeah, yeah, thisshow is it's so much fun. So
in the studio, you go inthere, you guys this camarader with everybody
doing their podcasts. So it's quitea few different studios and everybody doing their
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podcasts. So it's sort of likewalking down the XM satellite offices. You
can go and pop into different podcasts. Ah, that's good. So it's
like a little family there that andit makes a huge difference. It absolutely
like doing it from home. DuringCOVID, you just I don't know,
I just lost my mojo, youknow, I was just like I need
that in person chemistry otherwise I'm tellingyou, I don't know. During COVID,
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we get friends of ours that wouldalways have a Saturday night zoom parties
and the first few, you know, great, but then it's like,
God, I'm just want to goout. It's like, who cares?
Just God, enjoy this life andquit. I won't get into the politics
of things, but I was soI was so upset because I'm gregarious and
I love going out, so itwas really difficult to staying in. Oh
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yeah, oh trust me. Andnow I have social anxiety about going out.
It's great. I never had thatbefore, but I got so used
to staying in. Now if Iget out of the house one today I
felt great, Yeah, it's suckedup. So wait, I have like
when did things start to switch foryou? When did you like kind of
take a hold of the reins andbe like, Okay, this is part
of my story. I'm going tonow just embrace it and move forward and
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make it positive, Like how didyou make that leap? Kind of I
don't know if I ever it wentthrough that period because I always believed of
who I knew I was. Ithink it's other people had to accept.
So I think it was I stillhad my I had my goals, still
him doing everything. I just realizedthat the more if I got work,
people hated that and I work itwas like, what do I do.
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I have to go. I gottawork, and then they'd say, no,
that's not he shouldn't make money.So I always believe no matter what
I had, I had to doa work. So I got a huge
radio show deal immediately where I waswhat I knows, Howard Stern ken Over
and then it was Cato and Iwas like, god, I really love
this medium. And I was atat Wisconsin Oh Claire was my school.
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I had my own TV show thereand radio show, so it wasn't it
wasn't so new to me because Idid the radio. I did the TV,
so I thought, Okay, thisis a this is pretty normal for
me. But boy, in LaI took a beating people. People hated
that I had a show and itwas doing really well. So I lasted
a year on that and uh,and then I did some other radio and
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but I kept trying to work everyI never stopped working, basically of trying
to find myself, and did aslew of reality shows. Well, because
after you're so infamous, you can'treally ever act again in a weird way.
I mean you can, but likeyou're always going to be known as
Patokaitlin like, I feel like itwould be hard to see you as anyone
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but who like the real person youare not the let's even if you're an
Oscar winning actor, like, yeah, you're forever Kato Caitlin, and so
it's yeah, you know, Ithink I think you're right. I think
if I can change an appearance,if people go I think sometimes I travel
a lot, I can I cansee people going, why do I never
Yeah, exactly sure, And soI think it's I think it's I think
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it's getting to a point where youcan be something even if you change your
name, where people go, Okay, that's the Cato guy. I mean,
I don't think that. I wasn'tsaying, like, you know,
whenever I get like an acting job, which I'm not an actress, I'm
playing myself so right, I'm justtrying to say, like, you're so
infamous because of the situation around youthat you had nothing to fucking do with
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um, that it would be hardto see you be believable right away and
an acting role. And I thoughtthat that had to be hard for you.
Yeah, it is, because everybodywanted to play me, to play
Cato, and I always getting peoplewould if I got cast in something,
or if they gave me a readingit before something where murders involved or the
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house. Guess it's funny because afriend of mine, his name is Dan
Frish. Dan has been my friendfor about thirty years, and he's he
produced a show now an Amazon calledDaisy Jones and the six big successful show.
And he's he did his Oh yeah, I watched a little bit.
So he's been a friend of minefor thirty years. He did work with
Tarantino with producers another show Hostile.He's got huge credits. But he's been
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my friend forever. And and soDan, because he's so connected to Hollywood's
always been a big Cato believer.Before the trial, I work with him.
So he just did a TV showwhere I'm I'm hosting. It's called
teen Court, and you have Ithink teen sons. Well, the parents
are being sued by their kids withissues from issues from today of mom,
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I want to get a butt liftor hey Mi, I want to be
a girl or whatever, but it'sreal issues. So I'm the court reporter
in there and we have a judge, John Gray. John Gray very popular
pastor millions of followers on all hissocial media but we just did the pilot.
We did three three shows, andthat's gonna hit. I mean,
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yeah, three offer, three offers, three offer from network. So we're
going to see where it goes.So, like I said, it's that
if you keep working the more inthe ladder. It's like, gosh,
it's just great to be connected toall these people that have been my friends
now for over way before the trialare still my friends today. That's important.
That's really important. Oh, itthe most important. I really think
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that because they know they know youbefore and they know you're the same person.
Yeah, you didn't ask to beput in this situation. You literally
were again in the wrong, wrongplace at the wrong time. Yeah,
but it has affected your life.But look at I mean, like in
a good way, like you.I mean, it seems like you're a
really positive guy. I love that. Um. Yeah, sometimes you know,
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you like, people get like downand even suicidal, and it can
be really hard for them to beif that happened to someone who wasn't as
strong and positive as you. Yeah, well, I think it's also because
I got a large family, andI go back home a lot, and
I go and I travel. Iwas and I traveled on a comic con
shows the mc We traveled the world'slargest one that was a called wizard World,
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and so I met so many friends. We had all the actress from
Marvel Movies, DC comics, andI was the mcn on like America's got
talent on every city we go to, we had performers uh it's and I
was always kind of blessed with greatfriends. And because honestly, if you
don't have friends, I could seewhy people could get so depressed because you
very dark periods. But I believein UM. I really believe in paying
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it forward and just doing you know, good thing for other people, because
I one hundred percent believe everything comesback to you. It may take it
may take thirty years, but itdoes. It does come at right.
It comes at the right time.Maybe not your time, but the time
that I was supposed to from above. I fully agree with that. I
feel like UM. And also Ithink that you know, in Hollywood,
(22:08):
friends can be fickle and they're alwaysthere for you when you're getting the paycheck
and paying the dinners and yeah,when things are high, and then I
call these people TV friends because thesecond you're not working or you're don't on
the show that they're a fan of. It's like crickets. So you're you're
very lucky to have that because it'svery rare anymore that you meet solid people
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here. Oh yeah, completely.I I travel a lot and I that's
my that makes me. It's Ilove getting out of La. So when
I do come back to La,it's like, Okay, I've been gone
for like three weeks. It's it'sit's good, but I'm ready to go
again. So and I live inan area that's just the super friendly,
(22:52):
like its area called Toluca Lake.Oh yeah, I used to live there.
Oh you did. I think it'sthe friendliest area I know. I
walk in the streets, everybody's hiKato. So I kind of feel like
Norm from Cheers. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's sort of like that.
Well you know the area. It'sjust that's so cute. You don't feel
like you're in La at all,but you're you could be in Hollywood in
five minutes. Yeah, exactly.Yeah, No, it's no, it's
(23:15):
so cute. Um, I lovedit there. I was when I was
married, So that was a longtime ago. Are you married now,
No, No, I've been divorcedfor over a decade. Okay, all
(23:37):
right, I know, I knowyou look from your shows of your show,
obviously you become your public figure,so everything becomes public, and I
know that you go through judgment fromso so many people of women that love
you or women that hate you andcall you all sorts of names. Yeah,
it's super fun, but you knowagain, that's what I sign super
fun. Yeah, that's what Isigned up for. And listen, I'm
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raising two amazing boys. They're soawesome and every way they're very healthy,
well rounded, on entitled children,and I just learned to deal with the
hatred as kind of like I turnit. Listen. I've had people come
up to me and say, I'mmiss hating you on TV, Like,
I don't know if that's a compliment, but I'll go ahead and say thanks.
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Yeah. Well, then if theycome up to you, it's obviously
they're they're fans and they like you, right, So I mean either way,
I'm like, listen, you knowwhat, I'll take it as long
as you're watching great. But ittook me a long time to get to
that point where it wasn't just likeme beating myself up reading comments which you
should never do. And I didn'thave that solid background of friends in the
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business that unders like a lot ofmy girlfriends I modeled with, but they
don't understand the business. So youknow, it's hard not to have a
go to I do now, butit's hard where you don't have go to.
That was like kind of understanding whereyou're coming from. Yeah, but
I think it's also like I said, I think the older you become,
it's sort of like no fear,It's like whatever, Yeah, well I
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still have some fears, but no, I know, I'm like, I'm
gonna change my number. I'm gonnado things different. Guess what I am.
Who I am. I'm never gonnathink before I speak, and you
take it or you leave it,and you got you got the kids support,
So yeah, they just don't watchwhat I do. They're like,
yeah, I'm like, somebody's like, is your mom as crazy as she
is at home on TV? Andmy eldest said, yes, he goes
(25:33):
yes, but in a good way. Yeah, I'm like, I'm a
little nuts, but because I askedyou to clean your fucking room or whatever,
um, but like in a happyway. But yeah, sorry,
I don't have a staff here likeat Dads. But yeah, that is
great. So it seems like you'rejust you're kicking ask and doing great.
You just got married. Tell usabout that. Um, well, I
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just got married. Uh. Thegreat thing about it was she's from Beijing,
China and her culture. You know, her foods are so different from
my foods, and I think that'ssort of the thing that's really interesting and
keeps everything really fresh of learning andculture, trying to learn some of the
language, and she loves American cinemaand watching films that I've seen ninety times.
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To watch it with her, it'ssort of like, God, it's
really refreshing, Like wow, Ireally enjoy that part. I think.
We got married at a buddy ofmine's house who's also from Wisconsins named David
Zucker. David did Airplane Naked Gunmovies. Oh those are so great scary
movie. So uh, he said, have the wedding at my house.
(26:41):
So we had it in his houseand Brentwood And by the way, Brentwood
haven't been there forever since kind ofthee since the since the trial. Like
that, Yeah, exactly. Amatter of fact, part of my speech
was thanking David for not inviting Nordberg. That's the character. That's the character
OJ place. Oh my god,yeah, yeah, let's keep I can't
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think about him. I don't evenlike you're you're so past that in your
life and I'm very happy about thatfor you. So, but that was
so that it's been great. Um, you know, it's it's interesting and
uh I love it so well.And how long have you been married?
One year? A little over ayear May twenty May twenty first, okay,
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so honeymoon is over. I don'tknow it's going to like it's really
interesting. Every day. Um,so we go, we go on.
I take her in certain trips.She'll come to Cheyenne with me for this
Ice Wars and then uh D gota trip to Niagara Falls next month.
So we had a lot that's goingon. I'm doing lots of events and
that obviously keeps it really fresh.And I don't know, if you watch
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me, I'd love you to goon my Instagram page because I started.
I've done these bits where I everytime I'm in airports, I do the
airport races where people got off theirplane and I make it look like it's
horse race. They're running to thegates, I do, and it's uh,
it's kind of caught on Virali.So I always when I travel people
are aware of my will I befilmed by Cato. So I'm seeing a
(28:11):
lot of those messages coming on Instagram. Oh that's so funny. I will
check it out. I mean I'vebeen. I'm probably on there. I've
run through the airport quite a fewtimes. Yeah, yeahs you are.
I match it a lot of timeswith the music by Queen of the song
Flash when they're just running by.Seriously, very very very very funny.
Well, it seems like nice andrefreshing that you have another culture. So
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you guys are learning from each otherand you're not in this I'm guessing you're
not in the same business. No, I mean, she's um, she's
kind of e commerce, very smart, but she's she's quite a knockout.
She does get I'll tell you thebest part. She gets a lot of
like modeling gigs. She just goesand she just goes. I don't I
don't really want to do these.She doesn't. You know, she gets
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the paid for the two hours ofshooting. But I've never met a woman
in Los Angeles that's not gung hoand would do anything to get these jobs
where she gets so much. It'sit's just, uh, I don't care
sort of attitude. She's very happy, but it's not like, uh,
I gotta go to the next level, gotta go to the next level.
I gotta step on people. Thatis uh that's why she's a keeper.
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Yeah, you definitely. I feellike everyone right now is followers, followers
like and and it's so it's soexhausting. Oh, she's totally the opposite
and very very much into that's notimportant in life. So I get a
lot of the I guess spiritual whatever, um what Okay, the Eastern culture.
(29:45):
Okay, I see that. Ifeel the same way. I like.
I feel like social media is ajob and it's a lot of work,
and shit, I'm not that narcissistic. I just do it because I
have to. My kids are notinto it at all, um, which
I of and I wish, likeI wish. I can't wait for the
day when it's not such a thing, because we're gonna we're gonna get there.
(30:10):
We have to. Yeah, I'lltell you. I had a conversation
with her name is Shunky. Ihad a conversation with her just two days
ago. I said, we justwere talking basically about life, and I
said, everything changed. Everything thatthe nineties was really kind of cool.
I love the nineties. But whenthe cell phone and texting and then the
(30:30):
video when I started getting popular,I think life changed right there. It
did. How it became people nolonger associated with people became just texting.
No, we're talking, and yousee where it's going. And it's just
everything changed when the cell phone becamebigger and bigger and bigger and people because
then people wanted immediate responses. Therewasn't like I'm gonna take you know the
(30:52):
day and I'll check my emails therelike I just emailed you, and then
it's like question mark, question markrushwork. I'm like, fucking leave me
alone. I missed the days ofthe phone machine. I do too,
honestly, getting messages coming home andseeing oh I got one, two twelve
messages, let's see, oh Ididn't pay that bill? Okay, right.
And it's also like I kind offeel like it killed romance in a
way because there was no like didI miss the call or waiting for the
(31:17):
phone to ring. It's just likeyou can know where anyone is at any
time, and like it's just Idon't know, no, no the romance
killer and uh and and also killerbecause of maybe a pictures posted of someone
with that person and you're not withthat person, so it's got different elements
(31:38):
of how it can rum things.Oh god, yeah, there's so many.
There's so many people that are likehave like fake instagrams, like to
see if they're boyfriend's cheating to DMthe guy. I'm like, if you're
a boyfriend's cheating, Like I don'tknow, I don't know. I just
it drives me nuts, Like Ijust I'm so I think I've DM one
(32:00):
person in my entire life. Soit's just not my jam. But everyone
here is onto it. Trust Imean like everyone, yeah, yeah I
know that. And what I don'teven use a filter, please please brand,
I like no filter. Portrait portraitis like the like the best filter.
I'm like, it's just a littlemy friends, like all of your
(32:21):
pictures are blurry, Like what thefun? I'm like on purpose, I'm
old, I got it. I'llcheck out portrait Moter. I don't even
know it. It's just like oneoh, it just makes you like a
little bit prettier, but it's likenot really a filter. I don't know.
It's how like I take my Christmascards, Well, I'm I'm Juno
or Mayflower. That's it. Ohthose are cute. Yeah, I get
(32:42):
it. Well. So, soit sounds like you have a lot going
on, which is awesome, veryhappy for you, and I'm really happy
for you. So nice connecting withyou. We'll have to we'll have to
come and see Madonna. You're no, I'm kidding you are coming on.
Get this on recording. You willdo our show too? Yeah, absolutely,
Like in person, I like thatmore and they'll love the two and
(33:07):
I'm excited. But also the Judge, the teenager. I love Judge Judy.
She's my favorite per human on theplanet. So it sounds like that
show is going to go really wellbecause there's a lot of disgruntled teenagers out
there. I'm telling you it is. So it's it's so compelling because there
it's real arguments, and it's yousee this because you know, I'm not
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aware of all these things that arekind of going on with the parents and
the kids and just the yelling inthe show, and you feel like you're
into something secret, like they're yellingat home, but it's in a courtroom.
It's honestly fascinating. I think it'sjust the fascination will. I think
people will watch the show because it'sso real. Yeah, and the issues
(33:52):
are real, right, That's whyI love Judge Judy because it's real and
she doesn't put up with anything.And I feel like she's looked the same
and sounded the same my whole life. And she's just a badass. Yeah.
And the host that we the Judgewe have is John Gray if you
google him John Gray is He's fantasticas the judge and huge fault. He's
(34:13):
got a huge following. So Ithink I think everything elements of success.
I got the Wrong Place, WrongTime, Brandy. I'll do my inconclusion.
Please follow Kato on Instagram at KatoUnderscore, Kaylin, Kate, A
E l I N. We've gotTeam Cord, We've got Ice Wars ices
War on Instagram and the Wrong Place, Wrong Time coming up. I'll be
shooting that pilot in New York Citynext week. Wow, congratulations on everything.
(34:35):
You really deserve all all the goodstuff, and I'm really happy for
you. And I just I alwaystell people like manifest positivity, do the
right thing, and good ship,we'll come back to you. But if
you're a bad person, like abad ship, we'll come back for you.
Paid forward. Yeah, I alwaysthink of the think of the other
person. So you know what youcan make someone's day? Yeah, well
(34:57):
you made mine. And now I'mgoing back to bed because I I had
a long night last night. SoI'm going to bed. We'll get some
get some rest. I'm so gladyou're healthy now, thank you, Brandy.
Oh well, I think he's ahappy guy. I think he's a
pretty happy guy. Yeah, andhe's got a lot of like pots on
(35:21):
the stove is how would you sayit, but burner, Yeah that sounds
no. I think I'm saying itall wrong. But I like pots on
the stove. I mean that's that'spretty close highs in the oven. Yeah,
I don't know what it is.No, it's not that though.
He's got his hands in a lotof pots, buckets, I don't know.
(35:42):
Definitely hands and hooks in the kitchentoo many. That's not that's negative.
Like he's got his hands and alot of stop making me laugh.
He's got a shirt going on,like he's got like so many shows in
the works. He's got great peoplearound me as a new wife. He's
(36:06):
super positive that you predicted the newone. Right place, wrong time,
Wrong place, wrong time. Yeah, because he didn't do anything. He
just happened to be in the wrongboys at the wrong time. I guess
what he's like. That's the nameof my show. I had no idea,
but I mean it would make sensebecause he got a lot of flak
for just being friendly with the guythat he didn't know was the murderer,
(36:29):
and for being there, just beingthere. Yeah, it's horribles what happened
to him. I think he's avery sweet, good guy, and I
think that's why good things are happeningfor him. Yeah, are you going
to do this his podcast? Yeah? I might even leave straw Hup Media
Okay, to be around Madonna.No, they're not a network. They
(36:52):
just know. I know. Iwas just joking, but I would leave
you for Madonna. I'm just tellingyou what. I'm gonna bring him on.
I don't know what you're talking about. Okay, leave her alone.
She's sick right now. She's myfavorite. Um is she sick? Yeah,
she was just in the hospital.She did like postpone her chore.
Yeah, she's like I've sent herlike poor thing. But they get better.
(37:15):
Madonna. We love you, Welove you, Madonna, and we
love Kato. I love him.It seems like he's really cool, just
down to earth, chill, ahappy guy. I agree, I agree.
I uh, well, now Iwant him him to come to our
studio, which is in the works, but you know, yeah, well
yeah, well definitely we'll do ameetup in person. And it's good for
(37:38):
me to see that you can overcome, you know, such a scandal and
all those things. Not that Iwas in any murder situation, but with
all the things that are happening rightnow, it's like he did make lemonade
out of lemons because he had solidpeople around him, and you were killing
it with all of these sayings.You know, really, I think I've
(38:00):
only got one right, pots inthe stove or whatever. Yeah, that's
not right. It's not pots inthe stove, buns in the oven,
buns in the oven. I thinkit's pregnant. Oh right, okay,
because you're stupid. You're not stupid. I apologize that was me. Um,
(38:27):
But Kato like he's got a shiptogether. I'm excited for all of
his projects, and like I hopethat I can remain positive like him.
I think you're doing a pretty goodjob. Give me a minute, Okay,
alright, alright, love your rye, have a good day. Bye
bye. Thanks for listening to BrandyGlanville Unfiltered. Download new episodes every week
and if you haven't already, subscribedand be sure to leave us a rating
(38:50):
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Straw Hot media. Are You're justtrying to make us jealous? Like what
is this? You have to oneup us? Wow from straw Hut media.
This is Brandy Glandville on the field. So you're gonna take a quick
nap and then you're gonna get readyand go to dinner. Yeah. Yeah,
(00:24):
I couldn't um sleep last tonight.I was just like the tossing and
turning. Um. So I'm gonnanap if I can. I have to
turn my phone off. So ifyou're calling me, I'm not answering it,
Like, sorry, don't get madyou're talking to me specifically or anyone,
Okay, okay, Because I wokeup and I had my computer,
I didn't where I put my phone, and it was like, I'm trying
(00:44):
to call you. I'm like,ah, I was trying to call you.
You didn't hear it. No,it went straight to voicemail. We'll
cause my phone was off. Didyou find it though? Yeah, I
knew it was. I knew itwas in my bed. I just didn't
you know, like it gets ina crack somewhere and you don't know whether
it is speaking of crap. I'mkidding. Um, we have we have
Kate o'caitlin on today speaking of crack, because I think didn't he snow crack?
(01:10):
I don't know, not Cato I'mtalking about. I don't know what
happened. Let's not okay, we'regoing to try to separate Cato from the
I don't even like to think aboutOJA honestly, Yeah, it's so disgusting,
Like, honestly, I feel badfor Cato. I think I might
have met him before. But youknow, like when you watch someone on
TV, you're seeing the magazines,you're not really sure if you've met them
(01:34):
or it's just you see them onTV. Right, So let's let's recognize
his face. But I don't knowwhere I would have seen him from.
Oh, I would know him ina heartbeat, like because he's infamous.
He's Kate o'caitlin, the most infamoushouse guests of all time, Okay,
but I wouldn't know if I likehow, I don't know. I've met
so many people over the years.I definitely haven't seen him recently. But
(01:57):
I think you think, do youthink that he's trying to get over the
most famous house guest of all time? I don't know. I mean we're
gonna have to ask him. Ifeel like at this point he's got to
embrace it. That's true. Itprobably could lead to bigger and more exciting
things than being a house guest.Well yeah, I mean, it's been
fucking a long time, Ryan,Let's let's hope. Let's click catan so
(02:20):
you can stop like projecting. Okay, like you're the most notorious house guests
of all time? Well yeah,guest, house guest, guest, house
guests. Yes, yet I liketo prefer being called America's favorite house guest.
I you know what, I wasn'tever really mad at you, because
(02:43):
it's not like you asked for it. You were just staying there. You're
the wrong place at the wrong fuckingtime, do you know, Brandy,
I gotta say something about that,because wrong place, Wrong time. I
just this week we sold our showcalled Wrong Place, Wrong Time, and
you said that, and I knowit's going to be very successful Jupiter Entertainment,
(03:05):
which is the premier true crime peopleto have a show with. So
it's so funny you just said thatwrong place, wrong time because as basically
yet, I was the fish outof water and there's other people that have
stories just like mine, so I'dbe the host of that and we'll probably
I'm going to New York next weekand we'll shoot the pilot. Well,
I mean, it's changed the courseof your life, just happening to be
(03:27):
in the wrong place at the wrongtime, and there's so many people that
this has happened too, and you'rejust like, wow, if I just
didn't have to be staying there,if I like, there's like what if,
Like what if I wasn't doing this. I compare that Brandy to my
life with the old film called SlidingDoors with Gwyneth Paltrow and you decide which
door to go through and how yourlife changes through each door, and my
(03:51):
you know, I call it akind of the blueprint of life, where
my blueprint was like Kato, Iknow, you want to be an actor
and all this, but your lifeis going to take a different trajectory,
so accept it. So basically you'vegot to accept everything that happens to your
life, and life is life isso short. So I'm kind of grabbing
it by the you know, andjust I'm having an absolute great, great
(04:14):
time. I've always been a funperson, so when I was during the
trial, it was the first timeI ever experienced people with a hate or
just a viciousness, and it wasincredible because I grew up in a family
of six in Wisconsin and everything wasloving, loving, loving Midwest family.
And then when I experienced that differentpart of life, I knew that not
everybody was raised the same way asme. And I also realized that people
(04:39):
I think it's easier to criticize,to accept and to compliment, and I
just you know, I'm sure you'vegone through many, many, many things
where people don't even know you andthey'll just say, I don't like her,
I hate her, I want herdead, I hope she died exactly.
And it's like, you know,give some of the better of the
doubt, meet them first, thenmake a judgment. Is I've always said
(05:00):
that, I said, make ajudgment before you kind of make fun of
me or whatever whatever you want tobelieve. So the court of public opinion,
it sort of takes precedent over everything, and then you got to prove
to the court of public opinion,hey that's not true. I'm I'm an
okay guy. So I got throughthis. I used to feel like I
had to prove that I was agood person to everyone, And then I
(05:20):
realized, why the fuck do Icare about these strangers when I my family
knows I'm a good person, myfriends know I'm a good person. It
took me years to get to thatpoint. Don't get me wrong, because
I did used to care. ButI mean, in your situation, you
literally were just in the wrong fuckingplace at the wrong fucking time. I'm
(05:42):
like, it's not his fault.He didn't kill anyone, right, you
know. And I think people whenwhen you're on a TV screen, because
it was televised and all that,everybody wants to make a judgment. They
want to they want to be connectedto it. And I think so so
many people saw the entire trial asa soap opera and I wasn't really a
real person. I was just anactor. Cato is what they had in
(06:03):
their mind as a soap character.Whoither you love me or you hated me,
and you made your judgment of whatthis person was all about. And
you know, I really believe thatwhen older I get in my life,
it's sort of like you kind offear certain things in life, and then
you get older, it's like,you know, I don't fear anything else.
I'm not going to change. I'mthe same guy. I have no
fear. So those that will loveme great, those that don't like me
(06:26):
great. I have my I youknow, my life is going to continue.
Yeah, And I think I reallyam a firm believer of everything happens
for a reason, because I've askedmyself, what if I could just take
those past few days back, whatif I did this? You can't,
So you have to go forward withpositivity and try to make, you know,
lemonade out of lemons. I feellike a lot of people they're so
(06:48):
into headline morn these days, orthey see you. You're an actor,
you're a good looking guy, theydon't automatically don't like you. Or the
fact that you're friendly with someone who'son child for murder. Yeah, he's
like, you're going down with him? If that makes sense. Yeah,
I know it makes sense, AndI think people did exactly what you're saying.
(07:08):
I just, first of all,I've been in the I've had my
Screen Actress Guild card for over fortyyears. The trial made me famous for
all, by the way, forall the wrong reasons. I became famous
backwards. First for the most terriblesituation two beautiful people who were murdered.
And I know that's why I'm famous, and it's just it's the horrible that
(07:32):
I'm famous for that reason. ButI went to an acting academy, Everything
was, everything was before that.I used to go to movie premiers.
Before the trial, I used todo things. And I tell the story.
My friend, his name is AaronMyerson. He was at New Line
Cinema and the week before the murdersactually happened, I tested for a movie.
And I bring this up only becauseI had a life before the trial.
(07:55):
I tested for this movie. Itwas called Dumb and Dumber, and
it was the long haired role.I called my children, by the way,
I called my boys dumb and dumberwhen they really are getting on my
nerves. But go on, wellthat that's a complimentary pu a great film.
So my buddy, my buddy producedthat movie and I went in for
it and it tested for certain parts. But I just go back in that
(08:16):
because from that moment on, mylife stopped. I sort of became a
caricature and I was never really takenseriously. Now obviously I am and everything
is going up, you know,pretty terrific, But going through what the
judgment of how everybody is like,no, no, I had a life
before this, I know. SoI accept the fact that, uh,
(08:39):
like, like I said, Iwould, you will never get away from
it exactly, But I accepted.I know that's the reason. And god,
god, it's a it's a horriblehorror crime. And there were two
young people, two beautiful people,and and that's but you didn't commit the
crime. Let's be clear. Sothis is what I said, Like you
guys like every interview I do,No matter what I do, I will
(09:01):
always be known for my public divorceand being a house life. I'm like
you, guys, realize I've donethirteen other fucking shows since then. No
one wants like they will always thatquestion about oh J will always be a
question for you, and there's nothingyou can fucking do about it. And
it sucks. But as long asyou get your head around it, and
(09:22):
it's like you're like, wait,I was like doing all this work before,
it's like being stamped with the scarletletter, you'll never get around it.
Well, I agree with that,but I also say that you can,
like you said, you've done somuch after I think the more you
do, like I said, Ijust have a show of pilot coming out.
It's terrific. I leave this weekfor Shy and I produce a show
(09:45):
and hosta called Ice Force with iceskating. It's just it's just the fights,
no sticks, no pucks, justfist and it's our third pay per
view and it's it's it's just becominga huge, huge hit from Barstool Sports
to Pat Kafee. If you afterthe show, people can go to ice
wars on their ICE's War on Instagram. You'll it's becoming the phenomenal global phenomenal
(10:07):
kidding you because people love this mmA UFC type fighting. So now we
got guys, we have hockey guyson ice doing the fighting. So it's
pretty incredible. But anyways, Ithink the more you can do it's sort
of like the latter. Sure it'sOJ's there, but I'm trying to get
stuff above that on the steps.What I'm saying is it's not that you're
not going to be successful in anyway. I'm just saying that question that that
(10:31):
will always be a question. LikeI've I've just gotten my head around it.
Listen, I've gone on to doamazing things. It's I'm super proud
of myself. I've been successful,but I cannot, like you'll never escape
the question, but at a pointyou just have to shrug your shoulders and
be like, you know what,it is part of my story and come
up with your answer that you giveeveryone so they just stop fucking talking about
(10:54):
it, Like I have my sameanswer I give them. I think we
I think we've met once, butI think it was at a believe it
or not. I love your attitudeand where he's talking because that's the way
(11:15):
people should be because I can tellyou're brutally honest. If I think it
was, it was at least tenyears ago in Palm Springs at a celebrity
golf event. If you remember,I think you did want at least ten
years ago. Yeah, I havedone. I feel like I was thinking
in my head, have I methim? Have I not? Because like
you know, when you see peopleon CV and you watch and like like
(11:35):
you feel like I don't know whoI've met and who I haven't met.
But I think I remember meeting you. Yeah, I think I think it
was, and I think it wasif I think it was John O'Hurley from
Seinfeld and uh oh, I lovehim. He was just on the podcast.
Okay, so I think it wasat his event or he was the
MC. So that's at least tenyears ago in Palm. Yeah, no,
(11:56):
for sure. And then you didyou did what reality? Did you
do a Big Brother? Which showdid you do? Yeah? Yeah,
I just did a celebrity Big Brother? And I think you did one of
the did you do that? Idid the first season? Okay, you
did the first season? Yeah,so I did it. You probably did
it with less Moonbez. I didit with Kelly call was the president of
CBS, who, by the way, is the coolest guy in the world,
but he's a were both Wisconsin guys, so when I met him in
(12:20):
his office, we started headbudding andtalking sports. I said, okay,
this is a friend for life.So I just was at his house for
July fourth party. Oh that's amazing. Yeah. No, it was a
really like everyone that worked on theshow was so cool and I had a
great time. Not the cast.I didn't love everyone on the cast,
but like the like the crew.They were so awesome. Yeah, I
think I felt the same way.It's like I got along with one person.
(12:41):
It's twenty four seven. The hardpart was people don't realize that when
they have those lights on in theold time, there's actually no sleep none.
And also you, I don't knowwhen you did it. We didn't
know if it was day or nightoutside because they were building the sets,
so we didn't get any We didn'tget a lot of outsidetime, so we
didn't know if they were fucking withus. Because the clocks are different,
we were. We were a disaster. Yeah. Yeah. And the other
(13:05):
thing was that I'm glad I didit. I don't think I never do
it again, but I'm glad Idid it. Yeah. No, I
had a good time. I mean, like, looking back, I wish
I hadn't watched the show. Iwas a replacement for someone at the last
minute, so I had no ideawhat I was doing. I want to
go back now that I'm a fanof the show, I watch it with
a little more strategy. Oh,completely of because I think the thing is
(13:30):
I start trusting everybody. I thought, Okay, no way, they're going
to screw around with you, andyep, I'm the same Yeah, I'm
the same way. I'm like theydid. I thought we were friends.
They should actually call it celebrity Backstadwell, that's what it is, like,
that's the whole concept of the show. But I didn't. Yeah,
I was figuring out as I went. But it was fun, like,
(13:50):
it was a great experience. Likebut living with I mean, I lived
with two teenage boys, so I'mkind of used to the grossness. But
living with all these grown men ensharing a fucking bathroom with them, I
was so disgusted. Yeah, Ithink if your your kids see you on
the show, that probably it's totallyrooting for mom to win. They don't
ever watch her on TV. It'sfine they plus I don't know. Honestly,
(14:13):
I don't really want them to.My wife is leaving. I'm just
selling her. I have to wearheadsets. That's it makes it better.
I want to say, Hi,she's going to her it's going to her
workout so fun. I used todo pilates when I was fancy. Um,
oh, yeah, I know,she's a we Actually I just got
(14:33):
married, so it's that's incredible.But I don't know if she'd make an
appearance, but she's a she's waving. No, she won't go on camera,
but she's terrific. I feel thesame way today, So don't worry.
About it. And by the way, our show is my show with
a guy named Tom Zenner, who'sterrific. Tom is a former NBC,
former Fox News anchor sports anchor.But our show is called One Degree of
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Scandalous, and it's the perfect topicwe get. We get just a slew
of people on our show that havebeen involved in scandal in some way.
That's so smart because I mean,who better to host that? By the
way, yeah, yeah, thisshow is it's so much fun. So
in the studio, you go inthere, you guys this camarader with everybody
doing their podcasts. So it's quitea few different studios and everybody doing their
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podcasts. So it's sort of likewalking down the XM satellite offices. You
can go and pop into different podcasts. Ah, that's good. So it's
like a little family there that andit makes a huge difference. It absolutely
like doing it from home. DuringCOVID, you just I don't know,
I just lost my mojo, youknow, I was just like I need
that in person chemistry otherwise I'm tellingyou, I don't know. During COVID,
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we get friends of ours that wouldalways have a Saturday night zoom parties
and the first few, you know, great, but then it's like,
God, I'm just want to goout. It's like, who cares?
Just God, enjoy this life andquit. I won't get into the politics
of things, but I was soI was so upset because I'm gregarious and
I love going out, so itwas really difficult to staying in. Oh
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yeah, oh trust me. Andnow I have social anxiety about going out.
It's great. I never had thatbefore, but I got so used
to staying in. Now if Iget out of the house one today I
felt great, Yeah, it's suckedup. So wait, I have like
when did things start to switch foryou? When did you like kind of
take a hold of the reins andbe like, Okay, this is part
of my story. I'm going tonow just embrace it and move forward and
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make it positive, Like how didyou make that leap? Kind of I
don't know if I ever it wentthrough that period because I always believed of
who I knew I was. Ithink it's other people had to accept.
So I think it was I stillhad my I had my goals, still
him doing everything. I just realizedthat the more if I got work,
people hated that and I work itwas like, what do I do.
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I have to go. I gottawork, and then they'd say, no,
that's not he shouldn't make money.So I always believe no matter what
I had, I had to doa work. So I got a huge
radio show deal immediately where I waswhat I knows, Howard Stern ken Over
and then it was Cato and Iwas like, god, I really love
this medium. And I was atat Wisconsin Oh Claire was my school.
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I had my own TV show thereand radio show, so it wasn't it
wasn't so new to me because Idid the radio. I did the TV,
so I thought, Okay, thisis a this is pretty normal for
me. But boy, in LaI took a beating people. People hated
that I had a show and itwas doing really well. So I lasted
a year on that and uh,and then I did some other radio and
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but I kept trying to work everyI never stopped working, basically of trying
to find myself, and did aslew of reality shows. Well, because
after you're so infamous, you can'treally ever act again in a weird way.
I mean you can, but likeyou're always going to be known as
Patokaitlin like, I feel like itwould be hard to see you as anyone
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but who like the real person youare not the let's even if you're an
Oscar winning actor, like, yeah, you're forever Kato Caitlin, and so
it's yeah, you know, Ithink I think you're right. I think
if I can change an appearance,if people go I think sometimes I travel
a lot, I can I cansee people going, why do I never
Yeah, exactly sure, And soI think it's I think it's I think
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it's getting to a point where youcan be something even if you change your
name, where people go, Okay, that's the Cato guy. I mean,
I don't think that. I wasn'tsaying, like, you know,
whenever I get like an acting job, which I'm not an actress, I'm
playing myself so right, I'm justtrying to say, like, you're so
infamous because of the situation around youthat you had nothing to fucking do with
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um, that it would be hardto see you be believable right away and
an acting role. And I thoughtthat that had to be hard for you.
Yeah, it is, because everybodywanted to play me, to play
Cato, and I always getting peoplewould if I got cast in something,
or if they gave me a readingit before something where murders involved or the
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house. Guess it's funny because afriend of mine, his name is Dan
Frish. Dan has been my friendfor about thirty years, and he's he
produced a show now an Amazon calledDaisy Jones and the six big successful show.
And he's he did his Oh yeah, I watched a little bit.
So he's been a friend of minefor thirty years. He did work with
Tarantino with producers another show Hostile.He's got huge credits. But he's been
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my friend forever. And and soDan, because he's so connected to Hollywood's
always been a big Cato believer.Before the trial, I work with him.
So he just did a TV showwhere I'm I'm hosting. It's called
teen Court, and you have Ithink teen sons. Well, the parents
are being sued by their kids withissues from issues from today of mom,
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I want to get a butt liftor hey Mi, I want to be
a girl or whatever, but it'sreal issues. So I'm the court reporter
in there and we have a judge, John Gray. John Gray very popular
pastor millions of followers on all hissocial media but we just did the pilot.
We did three three shows, andthat's gonna hit. I mean,
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yeah, three offer, three offers, three offer from network. So we're
going to see where it goes.So, like I said, it's that
if you keep working the more inthe ladder. It's like, gosh,
it's just great to be connected toall these people that have been my friends
now for over way before the trialare still my friends today. That's important.
That's really important. Oh, itthe most important. I really think
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that because they know they know youbefore and they know you're the same person.
Yeah, you didn't ask to beput in this situation. You literally
were again in the wrong, wrongplace at the wrong time. Yeah,
but it has affected your life.But look at I mean, like in
a good way, like you.I mean, it seems like you're a
really positive guy. I love that. Um. Yeah, sometimes you know,
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you like, people get like downand even suicidal, and it can
be really hard for them to beif that happened to someone who wasn't as
strong and positive as you. Yeah, well, I think it's also because
I got a large family, andI go back home a lot, and
I go and I travel. Iwas and I traveled on a comic con
shows the mc We traveled the world'slargest one that was a called wizard World,
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and so I met so many friends. We had all the actress from
Marvel Movies, DC comics, andI was the mcn on like America's got
talent on every city we go to, we had performers uh it's and I
was always kind of blessed with greatfriends. And because honestly, if you
don't have friends, I could seewhy people could get so depressed because you
very dark periods. But I believein UM. I really believe in paying
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it forward and just doing you know, good thing for other people, because
I one hundred percent believe everything comesback to you. It may take it
may take thirty years, but itdoes. It does come at right.
It comes at the right time.Maybe not your time, but the time
that I was supposed to from above. I fully agree with that. I
feel like UM. And also Ithink that you know, in Hollywood,
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friends can be fickle and they're alwaysthere for you when you're getting the paycheck
and paying the dinners and yeah,when things are high, and then I
call these people TV friends because thesecond you're not working or you're don't on
the show that they're a fan of. It's like crickets. So you're you're
very lucky to have that because it'svery rare anymore that you meet solid people
(22:32):
here. Oh yeah, completely.I I travel a lot and I that's
my that makes me. It's Ilove getting out of La. So when
I do come back to La,it's like, Okay, I've been gone
for like three weeks. It's it'sit's good, but I'm ready to go
again. So and I live inan area that's just the super friendly,
(22:52):
like its area called Toluca Lake.Oh yeah, I used to live there.
Oh you did. I think it'sthe friendliest area I know. I
walk in the streets, everybody's hiKato. So I kind of feel like
Norm from Cheers. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's sort of like that.
Well you know the area. It'sjust that's so cute. You don't feel
like you're in La at all,but you're you could be in Hollywood in
five minutes. Yeah, exactly.Yeah, No, it's no, it's
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so cute. Um, I lovedit there. I was when I was
married, So that was a longtime ago. Are you married now,
No, No, I've been divorcedfor over a decade. Okay, all
(23:37):
right, I know, I knowyou look from your shows of your show,
obviously you become your public figure,so everything becomes public, and I
know that you go through judgment fromso so many people of women that love
you or women that hate you andcall you all sorts of names. Yeah,
it's super fun, but you knowagain, that's what I sign super
fun. Yeah, that's what Isigned up for. And listen, I'm
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raising two amazing boys. They're soawesome and every way they're very healthy,
well rounded, on entitled children,and I just learned to deal with the
hatred as kind of like I turnit. Listen. I've had people come
up to me and say, I'mmiss hating you on TV, Like,
I don't know if that's a compliment, but I'll go ahead and say thanks.
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Yeah. Well, then if theycome up to you, it's obviously
they're they're fans and they like you, right, So I mean either way,
I'm like, listen, you knowwhat, I'll take it as long
as you're watching great. But ittook me a long time to get to
that point where it wasn't just likeme beating myself up reading comments which you
should never do. And I didn'thave that solid background of friends in the
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business that unders like a lot ofmy girlfriends I modeled with, but they
don't understand the business. So youknow, it's hard not to have a
go to I do now, butit's hard where you don't have go to.
That was like kind of understanding whereyou're coming from. Yeah, but
I think it's also like I said, I think the older you become,
it's sort of like no fear,It's like whatever, Yeah, well I
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still have some fears, but no, I know, I'm like, I'm
gonna change my number. I'm gonnado things different. Guess what I am.
Who I am. I'm never gonnathink before I speak, and you
take it or you leave it,and you got you got the kids support,
So yeah, they just don't watchwhat I do. They're like,
yeah, I'm like, somebody's like, is your mom as crazy as she
is at home on TV? Andmy eldest said, yes, he goes
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yes, but in a good way. Yeah, I'm like, I'm a
little nuts, but because I askedyou to clean your fucking room or whatever,
um, but like in a happyway. But yeah, sorry,
I don't have a staff here likeat Dads. But yeah, that is
great. So it seems like you'rejust you're kicking ask and doing great.
You just got married. Tell usabout that. Um, well, I
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just got married. Uh. Thegreat thing about it was she's from Beijing,
China and her culture. You know, her foods are so different from
my foods, and I think that'ssort of the thing that's really interesting and
keeps everything really fresh of learning andculture, trying to learn some of the
language, and she loves American cinemaand watching films that I've seen ninety times.
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To watch it with her, it'ssort of like, God, it's
really refreshing, Like wow, Ireally enjoy that part. I think.
We got married at a buddy ofmine's house who's also from Wisconsins named David
Zucker. David did Airplane Naked Gunmovies. Oh those are so great scary
movie. So uh, he said, have the wedding at my house.
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So we had it in his houseand Brentwood And by the way, Brentwood
haven't been there forever since kind ofthee since the since the trial. Like
that, Yeah, exactly. Amatter of fact, part of my speech
was thanking David for not inviting Nordberg. That's the character. That's the character
OJ place. Oh my god,yeah, yeah, let's keep I can't
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think about him. I don't evenlike you're you're so past that in your
life and I'm very happy about thatfor you. So, but that was
so that it's been great. Um, you know, it's it's interesting and
uh I love it so well.And how long have you been married?
One year? A little over ayear May twenty May twenty first, okay,
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so honeymoon is over. I don'tknow it's going to like it's really
interesting. Every day. Um,so we go, we go on.
I take her in certain trips.She'll come to Cheyenne with me for this
Ice Wars and then uh D gota trip to Niagara Falls next month.
So we had a lot that's goingon. I'm doing lots of events and
that obviously keeps it really fresh.And I don't know, if you watch
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me, I'd love you to goon my Instagram page because I started.
I've done these bits where I everytime I'm in airports, I do the
airport races where people got off theirplane and I make it look like it's
horse race. They're running to thegates, I do, and it's uh,
it's kind of caught on Virali.So I always when I travel people
are aware of my will I befilmed by Cato. So I'm seeing a
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lot of those messages coming on Instagram. Oh that's so funny. I will
check it out. I mean I'vebeen. I'm probably on there. I've
run through the airport quite a fewtimes. Yeah, yeahs you are.
I match it a lot of timeswith the music by Queen of the song
Flash when they're just running by.Seriously, very very very very funny.
Well, it seems like nice andrefreshing that you have another culture. So
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you guys are learning from each otherand you're not in this I'm guessing you're
not in the same business. No, I mean, she's um, she's
kind of e commerce, very smart, but she's she's quite a knockout.
She does get I'll tell you thebest part. She gets a lot of
like modeling gigs. She just goesand she just goes. I don't I
don't really want to do these.She doesn't. You know, she gets
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the paid for the two hours ofshooting. But I've never met a woman
in Los Angeles that's not gung hoand would do anything to get these jobs
where she gets so much. It'sit's just, uh, I don't care
sort of attitude. She's very happy, but it's not like, uh,
I gotta go to the next level, gotta go to the next level.
I gotta step on people. Thatis uh that's why she's a keeper.
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Yeah, you definitely. I feellike everyone right now is followers, followers
like and and it's so it's soexhausting. Oh, she's totally the opposite
and very very much into that's notimportant in life. So I get a
lot of the I guess spiritual whatever, um what Okay, the Eastern culture.
(29:45):
Okay, I see that. Ifeel the same way. I like.
I feel like social media is ajob and it's a lot of work,
and shit, I'm not that narcissistic. I just do it because I
have to. My kids are notinto it at all, um, which
I of and I wish, likeI wish. I can't wait for the
day when it's not such a thing, because we're gonna we're gonna get there.
(30:10):
We have to. Yeah, I'lltell you. I had a conversation
with her name is Shunky. Ihad a conversation with her just two days
ago. I said, we justwere talking basically about life, and I
said, everything changed. Everything thatthe nineties was really kind of cool.
I love the nineties. But whenthe cell phone and texting and then the
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video when I started getting popular,I think life changed right there. It
did. How it became people nolonger associated with people became just texting.
No, we're talking, and yousee where it's going. And it's just
everything changed when the cell phone becamebigger and bigger and bigger and people because
then people wanted immediate responses. Therewasn't like I'm gonna take you know the
(30:52):
day and I'll check my emails therelike I just emailed you, and then
it's like question mark, question markrushwork. I'm like, fucking leave me
alone. I missed the days ofthe phone machine. I do too,
honestly, getting messages coming home andseeing oh I got one, two twelve
messages, let's see, oh Ididn't pay that bill? Okay, right.
And it's also like I kind offeel like it killed romance in a
way because there was no like didI miss the call or waiting for the
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phone to ring. It's just likeyou can know where anyone is at any
time, and like it's just Idon't know, no, no the romance
killer and uh and and also killerbecause of maybe a pictures posted of someone
with that person and you're not withthat person, so it's got different elements
(31:38):
of how it can rum things.Oh god, yeah, there's so many.
There's so many people that are likehave like fake instagrams, like to
see if they're boyfriend's cheating to DMthe guy. I'm like, if you're
a boyfriend's cheating, Like I don'tknow, I don't know. I just
it drives me nuts, Like Ijust I'm so I think I've DM one
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person in my entire life. Soit's just not my jam. But everyone
here is onto it. Trust Imean like everyone, yeah, yeah I
know that. And what I don'teven use a filter, please please brand,
I like no filter. Portrait portraitis like the like the best filter.
I'm like, it's just a littlemy friends, like all of your
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pictures are blurry, Like what thefun? I'm like on purpose, I'm
old, I got it. I'llcheck out portrait Moter. I don't even
know it. It's just like oneoh, it just makes you like a
little bit prettier, but it's likenot really a filter. I don't know.
It's how like I take my Christmascards, Well, I'm I'm Juno
or Mayflower. That's it. Ohthose are cute. Yeah, I get
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it. Well. So, soit sounds like you have a lot going
on, which is awesome, veryhappy for you, and I'm really happy
for you. So nice connecting withyou. We'll have to we'll have to
come and see Madonna. You're no, I'm kidding you are coming on.
Get this on recording. You willdo our show too? Yeah, absolutely,
Like in person, I like thatmore and they'll love the two and
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I'm excited. But also the Judge, the teenager. I love Judge Judy.
She's my favorite per human on theplanet. So it sounds like that
show is going to go really wellbecause there's a lot of disgruntled teenagers out
there. I'm telling you it is. So it's it's so compelling because there
it's real arguments, and it's yousee this because you know, I'm not
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aware of all these things that arekind of going on with the parents and
the kids and just the yelling inthe show, and you feel like you're
into something secret, like they're yellingat home, but it's in a courtroom.
It's honestly fascinating. I think it'sjust the fascination will. I think
people will watch the show because it'sso real. Yeah, and the issues
(33:52):
are real, right, That's whyI love Judge Judy because it's real and
she doesn't put up with anything.And I feel like she's looked the same
and sounded the same my whole life. And she's just a badass. Yeah.
And the host that we the Judgewe have is John Gray if you
google him John Gray is He's fantasticas the judge and huge fault. He's
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got a huge following. So Ithink I think everything elements of success.
I got the Wrong Place, WrongTime, Brandy. I'll do my inconclusion.
Please follow Kato on Instagram at KatoUnderscore, Kaylin, Kate, A
E l I N. We've gotTeam Cord, We've got Ice Wars ices
War on Instagram and the Wrong Place, Wrong Time coming up. I'll be
shooting that pilot in New York Citynext week. Wow, congratulations on everything.
(34:35):
You really deserve all all the goodstuff, and I'm really happy for
you. And I just I alwaystell people like manifest positivity, do the
right thing, and good ship,we'll come back to you. But if
you're a bad person, like abad ship, we'll come back for you.
Paid forward. Yeah, I alwaysthink of the think of the other
person. So you know what youcan make someone's day? Yeah, well
(34:57):
you made mine. And now I'mgoing back to bed because I I had
a long night last night. SoI'm going to bed. We'll get some
get some rest. I'm so gladyou're healthy now, thank you, Brandy.
Oh well, I think he's ahappy guy. I think he's a
pretty happy guy. Yeah, andhe's got a lot of like pots on
(35:21):
the stove is how would you sayit, but burner, Yeah that sounds
no. I think I'm saying itall wrong. But I like pots on
the stove. I mean that's that'spretty close highs in the oven. Yeah,
I don't know what it is.No, it's not that though.
He's got his hands in a lotof pots, buckets, I don't know.
(35:42):
Definitely hands and hooks in the kitchentoo many. That's not that's negative.
Like he's got his hands and alot of stop making me laugh.
He's got a shirt going on,like he's got like so many shows in
the works. He's got great peoplearound me as a new wife. He's
(36:06):
super positive that you predicted the newone. Right place, wrong time,
Wrong place, wrong time. Yeah, because he didn't do anything. He
just happened to be in the wrongboys at the wrong time. I guess
what he's like. That's the nameof my show. I had no idea,
but I mean it would make sensebecause he got a lot of flak
for just being friendly with the guythat he didn't know was the murderer,
(36:29):
and for being there, just beingthere. Yeah, it's horribles what happened
to him. I think he's avery sweet, good guy, and I
think that's why good things are happeningfor him. Yeah, are you going
to do this his podcast? Yeah? I might even leave straw Hup Media
Okay, to be around Madonna.No, they're not a network. They
(36:52):
just know. I know. Iwas just joking, but I would leave
you for Madonna. I'm just tellingyou what. I'm gonna bring him on.
I don't know what you're talking about. Okay, leave her alone.
She's sick right now. She's myfavorite. Um is she sick? Yeah,
she was just in the hospital.She did like postpone her chore.
Yeah, she's like I've sent herlike poor thing. But they get better.
(37:15):
Madonna. We love you, Welove you, Madonna, and we
love Kato. I love him.It seems like he's really cool, just
down to earth, chill, ahappy guy. I agree, I agree.
I uh, well, now Iwant him him to come to our
studio, which is in the works, but you know, yeah, well
yeah, well definitely we'll do ameetup in person. And it's good for
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me to see that you can overcome, you know, such a scandal and
all those things. Not that Iwas in any murder situation, but with
all the things that are happening rightnow, it's like he did make lemonade
out of lemons because he had solidpeople around him, and you were killing
it with all of these sayings.You know, really, I think I've
(38:00):
only got one right, pots inthe stove or whatever. Yeah, that's
not right. It's not pots inthe stove, buns in the oven,
buns in the oven. I thinkit's pregnant. Oh right, okay,
because you're stupid. You're not stupid. I apologize that was me. Um,
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But Kato like he's got a shiptogether. I'm excited for all of
his projects, and like I hopethat I can remain positive like him.
I think you're doing a pretty goodjob. Give me a minute, Okay,
alright, alright, love your rye, have a good day. Bye
bye. Thanks for listening to BrandyGlanville Unfiltered. Download new episodes every week
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