January 20, 2021 • 32 mins
Make no mistake, breastfeeding is hard. It’s one of the things that most people won’t tell you about when you’re pregnant. Most moms think that breastfeeding is "natural" and that it will come easy, but if you think about it, how could it? As a momma, you’ve never done this before. Your baby is in the same boat. So how can we possibly think that the feeding bond will be a beautiful, instant connection?
Welcome to "Breastfeeding Unplugged," a podcast brought to you by Nest Collaborative. Every week, we will be coming at you with a brand new topic - some will cover the basics, like “Common Misconceptions” or “Keeping Up Your Milk Supply” while others will tackle more niche ideas such as “Breastfeeding Innovations” and “Knowing Your Pumping Rights at Work.” Our goal is to have real conversations with the best experts in the business to make sure you feel supported and most certainly not alone In your breastfeeding journey.
It was so tough to pick a topic for this first podcast but when we got together to talk about it, we all found ourselves chatting a lot about misinformation and how so many moms are confused about breastfeeding because of advice they got from family and friends, or because they simply didn’t know what to expect from day one. So today we’re going to chat about the 10 Things You Never Knew About Breastfeeding with my very special guest, Joanna Kreyling.
From nipple pain to milk production and everything In between, join us for this 30-minute episode and meet your new breastfeeding friends. We look forward to hanging with you!
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Amanda Gorman (00:00):
[Intro] Welcome mamas and mamas to be. My name
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is Amanda Gorman and I am sothrilled to introduce you to
Breastfeeding Unplugged, apodcast dedicated to helping
moms navigate their way throughthe tricky world of
breastfeeding. Since this is ourfirst podcast, I wanted to
introduce myself to you and talka little bit about how I got
here today.
Firstly, I am a mom of two smallchildren, Josey and Harold. I
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live in Connecticut with myhusband, Ryan, who is a family
physician and our two kids. I'ma board certified pediatric
nurse practitioner andthroughout my career I worked
all around the country as an ERnurse and also in perioperative
nursing. I've worked in New YorkCity, Washington, DC, Los
Angeles and San Francisco. Aftereight years in the ER, I
transitioned into pediatricprimary care and I first
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discovered this problem ofinadequate access to resources
for us moms trying tobreastfeed. Here, I was trying
to do the right thing andadvocate for my newborns and
their moms and all of themneeded help breastfeeding. And I
realized I as their pediatricprovider had no idea how to help
them. Of course, I then had mychildren later and there I was
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one of the many moms whostruggle with breastfeeding. I
was constantly frustrated by thelack of support I received from
my pediatric professionals, myOB. I found myself completely
feeling alone and at the mercyof unreliable Dr. Google.
So a few years ago, I decided tostart this company called Nest
Collaborative. It's really justa network of international board
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certified lactation consultants,who you'll hear us refer to as
IBCLC's. Our team conductsonline video visits to help
guide moms through thebreastfeeding process and we see
moms all over the country andall around the world. I really
just saw this as an avenue tohelp moms succeed in whatever
their journey, whatever theirgoals are. I wanted to help them
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navigate a little bit easierthan the experience I had.
Make no mistake, breastfeedingis hard. It's one of the things
that most people won't tell youabout when you're pregnant. The
focus seems to always be onlabor and delivery and your
birth plan. Then bam, all of asudden, you have a tiny human,
you're being told to go home andyou're taking him home in your
arms and have no idea what todo. You've got to feed and take
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care of this little nuggetwithout really any real
preparation. Most moms thinkthat breastfeeding is natural,
and it's going to come easy. Butif you really think about it,
how could it as a mom? You'venever done this before your baby
is in the same boat.
So how can we possibly thinkthat the feeding bond will be a
beautiful and instantconnection? That brings us to
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where we are today. My team ofIBCLC's and I decided that it
was time to deliver new momsjust like you all of the
information that you need - thegood, the bad, and certainly the
ugly - to make sure that youfeel confident about your
breastfeeding journey. If you'repregnant with your first, we got
you covered. And if you're asecond time, third time, or even
a fifth time mom whose pastexperiences were less than
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thrilling with breastfeeding,we're looking out for you too.
Our goal really at NestCollaborative is to make sure
that moms have all the resourcesand information possible to make
the best decisions forthemselves and their babies. And
definitely just to makebreastfeeding a success from
one-on-one coaching to this verypodcast.
So every week we'll be coming toyou with a brand new topic. Some
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will cover the basics likecommon misconceptions or keeping
up with your milk supply, whileothers will tackle more niche
ideas such as breastfeedinginnovations and knowing your
pumping rights at work. We'lleven dive into more
controversial topics such asbooze and breastfeeding and why
boobs might leak during sex. Ouraim is to have really real
conversations with the bestexperts in the business to make
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sure you feel supported, andmost certainly not alone. So
let's jump right in.
It was kind of tough to pick atopic for this first podcast but
when our team got together totalk about it, we all found
ourselves chatting a lot aboutmisinformation and how so many
moms are confused aboutbreastfeeding because of the
advice they got from family orfriends or because they simply
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just didn't know what to expectfrom day one. So today we're
going talk about 10 Things YouNever Knew About Breastfeeding
with my very special guest,Joanna Kreyling. Joanna began
working in pediatrics as aregistered nurse before going
back to school to get her ownpediatric nurse practitioner
degree with a specialization inprimary care. While working in
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pediatric offices, she felt likemany of us did - that there just
simply wasn't enough informationor resources to support
breastfeeding families. She knewthe benefits of breastfeeding
and decided to pursue a path tobecome an IBCLC. So to help moms
get that one on one advice thatthey really needed most. In
addition to all of this, Joannais also our Director of Clinical
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Operations at NestCollaborative, and a mom to
three girls, and one adorablelittle boy, John. Joanna, we are
very thrilled to have you as ourvery first guest. So welcome.
Joanna Kreyling (05:20):
Thank you so much for having me.
Amanda Gorman (05:22):
I am so excited to chat with you because I don't
think there are very many peoplewho have quite as much
experience as you and our teamwhen it comes to breastfeeding,
both professionally andpersonally, as you are still
breastfeeding number four. Andso thank you.
Joanna Kreyling (05:37):
Wow, thank you for having me. Yeah, I guess
it's a bit of a lot. You know, Istill laugh because people say
you have four kids? Yeah, yeah,we're just crazy.
Amanda Gorman (05:52):
One of the things that you say really drove you to
pursue this passion as an IBCLC,along with being a nurse
practitioner was because youfelt like women were
underprepared to start with. Isthat right?
Joanna Kreyling (06:03):
Yeah, I totally agree with that, and at school,
we got this very brief,explanation and it was more
like, what to do if the baby'snot gaining weight or if the
baby has jaundice, but it reallywasn't how do you look at the
baby and know the latch is good,and know the latch is optimal in
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terms of milk transfer. So ifthat baby is successful in
breastfeeding, that Mom issuccessful as well. I found
that, throughout my careerworking in primary care, between
the nurse practitioners and thephysicians, we just really
didn't know enough and oftenvery inadvertently provided well
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meaning, but very inadequatebreastfeeding support to these
moms. And, and some of theadvice could actually be
damaging to the breastfeedingrelationship.
Amanda Gorman (07:02):
Yeah, absolutely.
And one of the things we doalways talk about is just how
little women know about thebreastfeeding journey, and how
little they get from theirancillary providers, and not
just the pediatric side. Butalso when they first have their
babies. I think we can agreethat OB's and midwives, they do
a great job of getting usprepared for labor and certainly
getting the baby out. But oncethe baby's in her arms, it kind
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of just feels like we're on ourown.
Joanna Kreyling (07:27):
It does. And you take those little classes,
and they tell you, you knowbabies should eat every two to
three hours, but it's not reallythe empowerment to know what we
should do if things don't seemto be to be going the way they
should be.
Amanda Gorman (07:45):
Yeah, 100%. So, let's jump into some things that
most women don't know aboutbreastfeeding and the common
misconceptions that we hearevery day from mamas that are
truly in the thick of it. Sofirst, let's talk about the
obvious one, pain. We hear thisall the time, we see a lot of
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new moms every week from allover the country at Nest
Collaborative. And they all cometo us in pain, a lot of them. So
is breastfeeding really supposedto hurt?
Joanna Kreyling (08:14):
It's really not supposed to hurt. And if you
think about it, nobody would dothis if it hurts all the time. I
have a lot of prenatals wherethe moms are fearful about pain.
I have a lot of postpartumvisits, where the moms will say
to me, "Well, all my friends saythat it is okay" or "it's
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expected for it to hurt and foryour nipples to crack and bleed
the first couple weeks". This isjust this is false. This is
false information. And what Itell mom is that it's going to
be like a very strong tug onyour finger. Your nipple tissue,
is- it's sensitive, right? So itis going to be a new sensation,
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the first couple seconds, itmight be like, "Oh my gosh," but
it's not normal for you to havecracked, bleeding, bruised
nipples. And if you do, youknow, that's when you really
need to seek help, because thebaby is not going to transfer
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good milk that way. That's notsomething just to be like, "Oh,
this will get better". And ifthey're cracked and bleeding, it
means that that that baby's notlatched on properly. Either the
way we're trying to help baby ormaybe baby has a tongue tie
that's causing them to not beable to pull the nipple back all
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the way to that soft palate.
It's slamming up against thathard palate, and that's why
you're getting that cracking andbleeding. So yeah, I mean, I
just really, it breaks my heartwhen I talk to moms, and they're
like, "well, I thought it wassupposed to hurt and I thought I
was supposed to have bleedingand all of this." And no, none
of it should do this.
Amanda Gorman (10:03):
Oh, yeah, no, it's completely confusing for
new moms. There are tons ofwomen out there who just really
assume breastfeeding is going tobe natural, that it's this easy
bond, then there are others whoare completely terrified,
because they actually may haveheard how difficult it can be.
What do you think?
Joanna Kreyling (10:21):
You know, honestly, I think it can be
either. I absolutely talk tomoms who do zero preparation,
and it goes beautifully. And Italk to moms that have done all
the preparation, and somethingdoesn't go according to plan.
But I really, I feel like inAmerica, we have a lot of fears
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about breastfeeding. Whetherit's low milk supply or pain or
that it's going to be reallyhard or inconvenient. And I
think, really, we need to figureout why we have those messages
out there and what we can doabout it. I don't think women
should be afraid ofbreastfeeding. I think they
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should be aware, you know, whatis normal, what's not normal,
they need to learn to advocatefor themselves and their babies.
They are the experts on theirown body and their baby. Maybe
they haven't breastfed before.
But I tell you what, these momsare so intuitive, and they know
something's not right. Theydon't know what it is
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necessarily, but they they knowsomething's not right. So if
breastfeeding is something youreally, really want to do, I
really encourage moms, you know,if it's not taking our prenatal
breastfeeding class, one on one,through Nest Collaborative, read
books on breastfeeding, wherethe writers are lactation
consultants. Okay, you hear thatin the back? Don't read a book
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on breastfeeding, where theauthor is not a Board Certified
Lactation Consultant. Go to orattend a virtual La Leche League
Meeting. I mean, you shouldreally know, ahead of time, know
normal versus not normal,because that's gonna really help
you in those early days.
Amanda Gorman (12:10):
Absolutely. And so how about this idea of kind
of one size fits all, you know,what, what works for this mom
should work for you. And that's,you know, a lot of where we're
garnering our information isfrom our friends that have
preceded us. So you know, whatworks for me, it's got to work
for you. Is this the case?
Joanna Kreyling (12:30):
Not necessarily. Breastfeeding
support is, I mean, having afriend and cheering you on. I'll
never forget the one friend whowas like, give it one more week,
you need to give it one moreweek. And that was with my
second kiddo. And I mean, Iwouldn't be here today, if it
wasn't for that one friend. Butyou know, I think about it,
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like, you know, your body is notthe same as your friend's body.
Your baby is not the same asyour friend's baby. So what
works for one person may notwork for another person. We all
have, you know, differences.
And, you know, just thinking,you know, what makes sense for
her doesn't necessarily make thebest sense or work for you.
Amanda Gorman (13:15):
Yep, definitely makes sense. So, let's, let's
talk about milk quantity or milksupply? It's, you know, we know,
it's a huge stress trigger formoms who feel like, they aren't
producing enough milk, or arethey producing too much milk?
You know, is there an actualnormal amount of milk for women
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to be producing?
Joanna Kreyling (13:38):
Absolutely.
They have done studies wherethey ultrasound the babies'
bellies to see, you know, whatan average intake of a breastfed
baby is, and the answer a-, youknow, your supply's established
about six weeks. So, you know,when your milk comes in, and
it's well established, and, youknow, it's going to be about,
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you know, two to three ounces.
And, you know, it's not, it'snot really the milk quantity
that changes as your baby getsolder. It's the it's what's
inside that milk. You know, the,the fat contents and the
hormones and everything changedeven within a 24 hour period.
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Your milk is not the same in themorning as it is at nighttime.
So, you know, it's reallyimportant just to watch, watch
the baby and, you know, I hear alot of people you know, when
even with even with baby John,I'd go online, and he was the
first one that I was looking atthis, these silicone hand pumps,
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like the Haakaa, and then watchthese women and these videos.
And they were, they wereexpressing, like, six, seven
ounces, in their Haakaa, and I'mjust like what. Like, you know,
even though I'm a lactationconsultant, and, you know,
pediatric nurse practitioner I'mstill thinking, well, I'm not
pumping that much. Well, that'snot normal. Right? That's way
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too much. That's, that's notnormal.
So, you know, looking at yourbaby, is your baby- learning
your baby. Is your babysatisfied, you know, do your
breasts feel more comfortable?
And you know, what is what istheir output? Are they peeing
and pooping? Are they gainingweight, then you're good, you
don't need to, you know, toworry so much about, you know,
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if you're, if you're producingenough, because babies are not
predictable people. And theynurse for a lot of reasons. Like
I joke with my clients, like ifthe dog barked, and wakes them
up, they might be mad aboutthat, and you have to nurse them
so they go back to sleep. Andthat doesn't mean that you
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didn't have enough milk, it justmeans that, you know, they got
annoyed.
Amanda Gorman (15:51):
Right? So just to clarify, you know, once the
milk, the milk supply isestablished, and you say, you
know, kind of normal intake istwo to three ounces. But that's
not necessarily what moms willsee if they're pumping, if
they're exclusively putting babyto the breast. Is that the case?
Joanna Kreyling (16:08):
Right. Right.
And that's, you know, why wereally want to watch the baby
and not the clock, because, youknow, I'll give mom's the
example, when I went back towork with one of my kiddos in
the morning, my morning pumpwould be like six ounces, my
middle of the day pump would belike, four and my afternoon pump
would be you know, I don'tremember it was like three or
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four, somebody said it went downthroughout the day. And that is
normal. Is that something thatyou're seeing and you're
worrying about? It- that is,that's normal and to be
expected. So your pump is nevergoing to remove milk as well as
your baby is. And that's why Iget very annoyed when you know,
I hear that providers arewanting moms to pump to see how
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much milk they're making? Well,you know, how good is the mom's
pump? Are the flanges cracked?
You know, what time of day isshe pumping? Like there's so
many factors there that it'sjust not, it's just not the best
way to know if your baby'sgetting enough to eat.
Amanda Gorman (17:09):
Gotcha. So well, let's talk about breast size. So
bigger boobs more milk, is thatthe correlation?
Joanna Kreyling (17:16):
Well, that is actually not true. Breast milk
storage capacity is somethingthat's completely independent of
breast size. I have worked withmany small breasted women with
oversupply and I've worked withwomen with very large breasts
that have low milk supply. And,you know, it really comes down
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to why and you know, maybe theyhave a thyroid issue, or maybe
they use their Haakaa a wholelot in early days or you know,
whatever it is that that can,can sometimes contribute to
these these uh, milk supplybeing more or less, but some of
it honestly, it's just genetic.
It's how you are built, yourduct sizes, and how much your
breasts can comfortably hold. Imean, certain women, their
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breasts are physically veryuncomfortable when they're
holding a certain number ofounces, but another woman, it's
just like, it's fine.
Amanda Gorman (18:16):
Interesting. So my next question and topic is
something that's a littlepersonal to me. And it's
surrounding whether or not eachboob are equal in what they
produce. And, and I know this isnot the case. But I want to
know, what should a woman do ifthere's a marked difference in
supply? Because I know it's notwhat I did, which was ignore it.
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I actually ended up feeding myson almost three years from one
boob exclusively. So how shouldmom's address unequal supply
earlier than say, I did.
Joanna Kreyling (18:50):
Listen, listen, firstly, if that works for you
guys, cool on you. But you know,if you want help for your
slacker boob, we are here too. Ioften tell women, you know, it's
normal to have a deadness side.
Oftentimes women, you know, ahalf an ounce, an ounce
difference. And that's normal,it's not, you know, our feet are
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not the same size. They're justnot, you know, our hands are not
the same size, our breasts arenot, you know, perfectly the
same size either. So if itbothers you, you know, in terms
of your comfort, or maybe you'reextremely lost, and can't find a
bra with it. Talking to alactation consultant, you know,
right off the bat, things Iwould suggest would be start on
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the lower producer, when you'renursing on the lower producer,
doing that massage, doingcompressions really trying to
empty that side out verythoroughly. And so that, you
know, you're you're optimizingeverything out of that breast
and then moving to the highersupply breast and if you want to
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pump on the lower breast, um,lower yielding breast that would
kind of stimulate more supply inthat side. But yeah, I mean, a
little bit, not a big deal. Butif it bothers you, there's
definitely things that can bedone.
Amanda Gorman (20:15):
If only I had known. So what about the
relationship betweenbreastfeeding and pumping. You
know, pumping is essential forgood supply?
Joanna Kreyling (20:25):
No. I mean, now that I feel like, I get asked a
lot about pumping and going backto work, and a lot of these
things very early on. Women feellike, okay, I have to have the
baby, my insurance company, theysent me this pump. So I should
be using it, right, like this isthis is the way it should work?
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And the answer is no, you don't,you don't have to pump to have
that good supply of milk. If youare following your baby's cues,
and nursing when they're hungry,then you don't need you don't
need to be pumping. And, youknow, if you do need to be pump-
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so say, say you nurse your babyand you think like, oh my gosh,
you know, the baby did a reallygood job on this side, but it
still feels really hard. I mean,that would be a reason to talk
to an IBCLC. You know, is thelatch not great? Do you have an
oversupply, like what is goingon? You can actually give
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yourself an oversupply bypumping too much in those early
days. And I've worked with a lotof women, "Oh my gosh,
oversupply would be so great.
That would be, that would belovely." You know, over supply,
you know, I've seen babies thatdon't want to nurse directly
because it's like a fire hose.
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I've seen babies that are verycolicky and unhappy because of
all of the gas and, you know,the very quick transit through
their G.I system. And so,really, just just in, in those,
I always encourage moms in thoseearly days, just work on getting
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that latch, right. And gettingthat those [unknown] completed
and get some sleep. Like youwill have so much time to pump
later. And it's not the most funthing. So you know, enjoy your
baby, learn your baby, learn howto latch your baby. And enjoy
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that time. There's so much timeto pump later. If you do want to
pump, you know, talking again tothe lactation consultant on how
do we do that, how do we pump sothat it's comfortable, it
doesn't cause my nipples damage.
I don't have myself a crazyoversupply that, you know, I end
up with [unknown] and all ofthese terrible things. So, you
know, no, you don't need, youdon't need the pump. And if you
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do feel like you have to pump tokeep your milk supply up. Why is
that? What's what's going onthat that you're having to do
all that extra pumping? Is therean issue with the latch, you
know what, what's going on?
Because you really shouldn'thave to. And again, talking to
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the lactation consultant, havingthem watch a feed is really
going to help you there.
Amanda Gorman (23:34):
Awesome. That's great to know. So enough talk
about baby getting fed. Let'schat about what moms should be
eating. Are there any specificfoods that help with milk
production?
Joanna Kreyling (23:46):
The the studies on that are not really there.
There's you know, ve-culturally, you'll see a lot of
variances around the world aboutwhat foods are really good for
milk supply. In America, there'slots of talk about oatmeal, and
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blue Gatorade, and coconutwater, and a dark beer before
bed and you know just thesedifferent, different things and
there's really not research thatsupports those. What I always
say is let you know, eat, eatfor what you know, eat a healthy
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diet, and make sure that you areeating because there are some
moms out there that you know getvery caught up in the busy, busy
busy of having a newborn thatthey aren't taking care of
themselves. They are notstopping to eat. They're not
napping, they're not doing thosethings that they need to do, you
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know in those early days to keepkeep their mental health and
their physical health and all ofthose things in balance. So if
you want to eat oatmeal in themorning, eat oatmeal, eat all
the lactation cookies you want,if you find, you know, I would
say there's, you know, justbecause there's not a study
doesn't mean that it- there-isn't some truth in it. So if
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you find that you, when you eatoatmeal, you have better milk
supply then go for it. I'm notgoing to tell you, you're wrong.
And really, the, the ones thatthey have the good research on
would be more like that, thatFenugreek. And like the
[unknown], you know, some ofthose that, that there's a
little bit more scientificevidence that it's beneficial.
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But, you know, when it comes tostudies and lactating moms,
it's, it's kind of a- kind of ahard sell to to do studies on
moms that are breastfeeding. Soyou know, we only have the
studies and the research that wehave. It can be a bit limited.
Amanda Gorman (25:55):
That makes sense.
Let me move on to leaking. Itseems moms are a little
surprised about leaking milk,both both prenatally and
postpartum. So let's talk aboutthat a bit.
Joanna Kreyling (26:09):
So your breasts may or may not leak. You know, I
have worked prenatally with somewomen that are very worried
about it. And, or, you know, inpostpartum, they're very worried
about it. And, you know, breastsleak, for a variety of reasons.
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You know, they leak or your milklets down, when oxytocin is
released. So if you think aboutnursing your baby, or you hear a
baby cry, or you put your babyto the breast, or it's the usual
time that you normally feed yourbaby. It can cause leaking, and
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it can cause leaking on bothsides. Not all women leak, and
this is, you know, something Ialways talk to moms about is,
you know, when your milk supplyis still learning to be what
your baby needs it to be inthose six weeks. You know, it's
not I wouldn't panic a whole lotabout the leaking during that
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period, because it it may changeor improve. A lot of that has to
do also with genetics, and howtight your junctures are. Some
people leak, some people don'tleak. If you don't leak it
doesn't mean that you don't havemilk, you know. So, you know,
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you can leak or not, and youleak on both sides. That's
that's a that's a big surprisefor moms. And like, I don't know
why I'm leaking on both sides,and the baby's only nursing on
one side? Well, the oxytocindoesn't really know. Now
oxytocin doesn't really knowthat when you are having some
relations with your husband, andyou come to release, that that
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same oxytocin might causeleaking at that time, too. And
again, I you know, I tell womenabout that, if they want to know
about it, but again, it'ssomething that may or may not
happen. So, you know.
Amanda Gorman (28:22):
Hey, the more information we have, the more we
know.
Joanna Kreyling (28:26):
Well, you know, no one ever told me about it.
Like that's like, you know, notnot in the book. No.
Amanda Gorman (28:34):
No, didn't cover.
Dr. Spock didn't cover that one.
Joanna Kreyling (28:38):
I didn't have that in my PNP program.
Amanda Gorman (28:40):
No, certainly not. So listen, above all else,
we know how beneficialbreastfeeding is for baby. It
certainly is by far thehealthiest to feed our babies.
But what I don't think momsrealize is how beneficial
breastfeeding is to theirhealth. Can you talk about that?
Joanna Kreyling (29:03):
Oh, yeah. I mean, it's, it's very, you know,
I think that that's somethingreally important to touch on is
it you know, it's, it'sbeneficial for for you and your
your body in terms of, you know,diabetes, depression,
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osteoporosis, and reducing yourrates for ovarian and breast
cancers and heart disease, highblood pressure. So, you know, it
has a lot of benefits to moms.
Some moms, it helps them loseweight. I definitely was not in
that category. But sometimes itdoes. It can also delay your
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period, which is super, supernice if you're one of those moms
that that falls into thatcategory of not getting a
period. Quite quite nice.
Amanda Gorman (30:01):
I was not so there's some variants in that.
Joanna Kreyling (30:03):
I am so haha.
Amanda Gorman (30:05):
Good for you.
Good for you, J. Listen, Joanna,we said, we talked about 10
things you didn't know aboutbreastfeeding, but I'm pretty
sure we've covered a lot morethan that. I feel like you and I
could probably go on forever.
But unfortunately, that's allthe time that we actually have
for today. We'd love to have youback again to answer some more
questions if you'd be up for it.
But in the meantime, how canlisteners get in touch with you
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if they have any questions orjust would like to book a
consult?
Joanna Kreyling (30:31):
Well, they just need to go to
Nestcollaborative.com. Book nowand find me there. If you know
they can call the number. It's,you know, I'm around, that's for
sure. But you know, everyone onour team is awesome. That's what
I always say. Everyone on ourteam is awesome. We're all good.
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And we see each other's peoplebecause we love each other. And
we always want what's best interms of mom's timing and needs.
So yeah, I'm definitely I'maround.
Amanda Gorman (31:06):
Yes. And, and you're right, we really we
really work hard so that momsknow that no matter what day
they come to Nest Collaborative,or who they see, that they're
always going to get the bestquality of care and a consistent
level of care. So absolutely. Ihope moms will check you out. So
that's really great. Thank youso much for being our guest here
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on the first episode ofBreastfeeding Unplugged. We
certainly can't wait until youvisit us again next time.
Joanna Kreyling (31:33):
Well, I am definitely up for a next time.
Amanda Gorman (31:36):
Awesome.
So mamas and mamas to be that isour very first episode for you.
We hope you liked what youheard, and we will be back next
week with another titillatingtopic to help you along your
breastfeeding journey. Pleasedon't forget to check us out on
Facebook atfacebook.com/breastfeedingunplugged
or Instagram atinstagram.com/breastfeedingunplugged,
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where we will have links to afull transcription of today's
podcast. Please be sure to alsovisit us at
breastfeedingunplugged.com tolearn more about upcoming shows
and to submit your questions.
Until next week. It's me Amanda,wishing you very well. Boo bye.
[Outro]
[Intro] Welcome mamas and mamas to be. My name
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is Amanda Gorman and I am sothrilled to introduce you to
Breastfeeding Unplugged, apodcast dedicated to helping
moms navigate their way throughthe tricky world of
breastfeeding. Since this is ourfirst podcast, I wanted to
introduce myself to you and talka little bit about how I got
here today.
Firstly, I am a mom of two smallchildren, Josey and Harold. I
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live in Connecticut with myhusband, Ryan, who is a family
physician and our two kids. I'ma board certified pediatric
nurse practitioner andthroughout my career I worked
all around the country as an ERnurse and also in perioperative
nursing. I've worked in New YorkCity, Washington, DC, Los
Angeles and San Francisco. Aftereight years in the ER, I
transitioned into pediatricprimary care and I first
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discovered this problem ofinadequate access to resources
for us moms trying tobreastfeed. Here, I was trying
to do the right thing andadvocate for my newborns and
their moms and all of themneeded help breastfeeding. And I
realized I as their pediatricprovider had no idea how to help
them. Of course, I then had mychildren later and there I was
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one of the many moms whostruggle with breastfeeding. I
was constantly frustrated by thelack of support I received from
my pediatric professionals, myOB. I found myself completely
feeling alone and at the mercyof unreliable Dr. Google.
So a few years ago, I decided tostart this company called Nest
Collaborative. It's really justa network of international board
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certified lactation consultants,who you'll hear us refer to as
IBCLC's. Our team conductsonline video visits to help
guide moms through thebreastfeeding process and we see
moms all over the country andall around the world. I really
just saw this as an avenue tohelp moms succeed in whatever
their journey, whatever theirgoals are. I wanted to help them
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navigate a little bit easierthan the experience I had.
Make no mistake, breastfeedingis hard. It's one of the things
that most people won't tell youabout when you're pregnant. The
focus seems to always be onlabor and delivery and your
birth plan. Then bam, all of asudden, you have a tiny human,
you're being told to go home andyou're taking him home in your
arms and have no idea what todo. You've got to feed and take
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care of this little nuggetwithout really any real
preparation. Most moms thinkthat breastfeeding is natural,
and it's going to come easy. Butif you really think about it,
how could it as a mom? You'venever done this before your baby
is in the same boat.
So how can we possibly thinkthat the feeding bond will be a
beautiful and instantconnection? That brings us to
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where we are today. My team ofIBCLC's and I decided that it
was time to deliver new momsjust like you all of the
information that you need - thegood, the bad, and certainly the
ugly - to make sure that youfeel confident about your
breastfeeding journey. If you'repregnant with your first, we got
you covered. And if you're asecond time, third time, or even
a fifth time mom whose pastexperiences were less than
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thrilling with breastfeeding,we're looking out for you too.
Our goal really at NestCollaborative is to make sure
that moms have all the resourcesand information possible to make
the best decisions forthemselves and their babies. And
definitely just to makebreastfeeding a success from
one-on-one coaching to this verypodcast.
So every week we'll be coming toyou with a brand new topic. Some
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will cover the basics likecommon misconceptions or keeping
up with your milk supply, whileothers will tackle more niche
ideas such as breastfeedinginnovations and knowing your
pumping rights at work. We'lleven dive into more
controversial topics such asbooze and breastfeeding and why
boobs might leak during sex. Ouraim is to have really real
conversations with the bestexperts in the business to make
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sure you feel supported, andmost certainly not alone. So
let's jump right in.
It was kind of tough to pick atopic for this first podcast but
when our team got together totalk about it, we all found
ourselves chatting a lot aboutmisinformation and how so many
moms are confused aboutbreastfeeding because of the
advice they got from family orfriends or because they simply
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just didn't know what to expectfrom day one. So today we're
going talk about 10 Things YouNever Knew About Breastfeeding
with my very special guest,Joanna Kreyling. Joanna began
working in pediatrics as aregistered nurse before going
back to school to get her ownpediatric nurse practitioner
degree with a specialization inprimary care. While working in
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pediatric offices, she felt likemany of us did - that there just
simply wasn't enough informationor resources to support
breastfeeding families. She knewthe benefits of breastfeeding
and decided to pursue a path tobecome an IBCLC. So to help moms
get that one on one advice thatthey really needed most. In
addition to all of this, Joannais also our Director of Clinical
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Operations at NestCollaborative, and a mom to
three girls, and one adorablelittle boy, John. Joanna, we are
very thrilled to have you as ourvery first guest. So welcome.
Joanna Kreyling (05:20):
Thank you so much for having me.
Amanda Gorman (05:22):
I am so excited to chat with you because I don't
think there are very many peoplewho have quite as much
experience as you and our teamwhen it comes to breastfeeding,
both professionally andpersonally, as you are still
breastfeeding number four. Andso thank you.
Joanna Kreyling (05:37):
Wow, thank you for having me. Yeah, I guess
it's a bit of a lot. You know, Istill laugh because people say
you have four kids? Yeah, yeah,we're just crazy.
Amanda Gorman (05:52):
One of the things that you say really drove you to
pursue this passion as an IBCLC,along with being a nurse
practitioner was because youfelt like women were
underprepared to start with. Isthat right?
Joanna Kreyling (06:03):
Yeah, I totally agree with that, and at school,
we got this very brief,explanation and it was more
like, what to do if the baby'snot gaining weight or if the
baby has jaundice, but it reallywasn't how do you look at the
baby and know the latch is good,and know the latch is optimal in
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terms of milk transfer. So ifthat baby is successful in
breastfeeding, that Mom issuccessful as well. I found
that, throughout my careerworking in primary care, between
the nurse practitioners and thephysicians, we just really
didn't know enough and oftenvery inadvertently provided well
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meaning, but very inadequatebreastfeeding support to these
moms. And, and some of theadvice could actually be
damaging to the breastfeedingrelationship.
Amanda Gorman (07:02):
Yeah, absolutely.
And one of the things we doalways talk about is just how
little women know about thebreastfeeding journey, and how
little they get from theirancillary providers, and not
just the pediatric side. Butalso when they first have their
babies. I think we can agreethat OB's and midwives, they do
a great job of getting usprepared for labor and certainly
getting the baby out. But oncethe baby's in her arms, it kind
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of just feels like we're on ourown.
Joanna Kreyling (07:27):
It does. And you take those little classes,
and they tell you, you knowbabies should eat every two to
three hours, but it's not reallythe empowerment to know what we
should do if things don't seemto be to be going the way they
should be.
Amanda Gorman (07:45):
Yeah, 100%. So, let's jump into some things that
most women don't know aboutbreastfeeding and the common
misconceptions that we hearevery day from mamas that are
truly in the thick of it. Sofirst, let's talk about the
obvious one, pain. We hear thisall the time, we see a lot of
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new moms every week from allover the country at Nest
Collaborative. And they all cometo us in pain, a lot of them. So
is breastfeeding really supposedto hurt?
Joanna Kreyling (08:14):
It's really not supposed to hurt. And if you
think about it, nobody would dothis if it hurts all the time. I
have a lot of prenatals wherethe moms are fearful about pain.
I have a lot of postpartumvisits, where the moms will say
to me, "Well, all my friends saythat it is okay" or "it's
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expected for it to hurt and foryour nipples to crack and bleed
the first couple weeks". This isjust this is false. This is
false information. And what Itell mom is that it's going to
be like a very strong tug onyour finger. Your nipple tissue,
is- it's sensitive, right? So itis going to be a new sensation,
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the first couple seconds, itmight be like, "Oh my gosh," but
it's not normal for you to havecracked, bleeding, bruised
nipples. And if you do, youknow, that's when you really
need to seek help, because thebaby is not going to transfer
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good milk that way. That's notsomething just to be like, "Oh,
this will get better". And ifthey're cracked and bleeding, it
means that that that baby's notlatched on properly. Either the
way we're trying to help baby ormaybe baby has a tongue tie
that's causing them to not beable to pull the nipple back all
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the way to that soft palate.
It's slamming up against thathard palate, and that's why
you're getting that cracking andbleeding. So yeah, I mean, I
just really, it breaks my heartwhen I talk to moms, and they're
like, "well, I thought it wassupposed to hurt and I thought I
was supposed to have bleedingand all of this." And no, none
of it should do this.
Amanda Gorman (10:03):
Oh, yeah, no, it's completely confusing for
new moms. There are tons ofwomen out there who just really
assume breastfeeding is going tobe natural, that it's this easy
bond, then there are others whoare completely terrified,
because they actually may haveheard how difficult it can be.
What do you think?
Joanna Kreyling (10:21):
You know, honestly, I think it can be
either. I absolutely talk tomoms who do zero preparation,
and it goes beautifully. And Italk to moms that have done all
the preparation, and somethingdoesn't go according to plan.
But I really, I feel like inAmerica, we have a lot of fears
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about breastfeeding. Whetherit's low milk supply or pain or
that it's going to be reallyhard or inconvenient. And I
think, really, we need to figureout why we have those messages
out there and what we can doabout it. I don't think women
should be afraid ofbreastfeeding. I think they
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should be aware, you know, whatis normal, what's not normal,
they need to learn to advocatefor themselves and their babies.
They are the experts on theirown body and their baby. Maybe
they haven't breastfed before.
But I tell you what, these momsare so intuitive, and they know
something's not right. Theydon't know what it is
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necessarily, but they they knowsomething's not right. So if
breastfeeding is something youreally, really want to do, I
really encourage moms, you know,if it's not taking our prenatal
breastfeeding class, one on one,through Nest Collaborative, read
books on breastfeeding, wherethe writers are lactation
consultants. Okay, you hear thatin the back? Don't read a book
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on breastfeeding, where theauthor is not a Board Certified
Lactation Consultant. Go to orattend a virtual La Leche League
Meeting. I mean, you shouldreally know, ahead of time, know
normal versus not normal,because that's gonna really help
you in those early days.
Amanda Gorman (12:10):
Absolutely. And so how about this idea of kind
of one size fits all, you know,what, what works for this mom
should work for you. And that's,you know, a lot of where we're
garnering our information isfrom our friends that have
preceded us. So you know, whatworks for me, it's got to work
for you. Is this the case?
Joanna Kreyling (12:30):
Not necessarily. Breastfeeding
support is, I mean, having afriend and cheering you on. I'll
never forget the one friend whowas like, give it one more week,
you need to give it one moreweek. And that was with my
second kiddo. And I mean, Iwouldn't be here today, if it
wasn't for that one friend. Butyou know, I think about it,
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like, you know, your body is notthe same as your friend's body.
Your baby is not the same asyour friend's baby. So what
works for one person may notwork for another person. We all
have, you know, differences.
And, you know, just thinking,you know, what makes sense for
her doesn't necessarily make thebest sense or work for you.
Amanda Gorman (13:15):
Yep, definitely makes sense. So, let's, let's
talk about milk quantity or milksupply? It's, you know, we know,
it's a huge stress trigger formoms who feel like, they aren't
producing enough milk, or arethey producing too much milk?
You know, is there an actualnormal amount of milk for women
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to be producing?
Joanna Kreyling (13:38):
Absolutely.
They have done studies wherethey ultrasound the babies'
bellies to see, you know, whatan average intake of a breastfed
baby is, and the answer a-, youknow, your supply's established
about six weeks. So, you know,when your milk comes in, and
it's well established, and, youknow, it's going to be about,
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you know, two to three ounces.
And, you know, it's not, it'snot really the milk quantity
that changes as your baby getsolder. It's the it's what's
inside that milk. You know, the,the fat contents and the
hormones and everything changedeven within a 24 hour period.
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Your milk is not the same in themorning as it is at nighttime.
So, you know, it's reallyimportant just to watch, watch
the baby and, you know, I hear alot of people you know, when
even with even with baby John,I'd go online, and he was the
first one that I was looking atthis, these silicone hand pumps,
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like the Haakaa, and then watchthese women and these videos.
And they were, they wereexpressing, like, six, seven
ounces, in their Haakaa, and I'mjust like what. Like, you know,
even though I'm a lactationconsultant, and, you know,
pediatric nurse practitioner I'mstill thinking, well, I'm not
pumping that much. Well, that'snot normal. Right? That's way
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too much. That's, that's notnormal.
So, you know, looking at yourbaby, is your baby- learning
your baby. Is your babysatisfied, you know, do your
breasts feel more comfortable?
And you know, what is what istheir output? Are they peeing
and pooping? Are they gainingweight, then you're good, you
don't need to, you know, toworry so much about, you know,
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if you're, if you're producingenough, because babies are not
predictable people. And theynurse for a lot of reasons. Like
I joke with my clients, like ifthe dog barked, and wakes them
up, they might be mad aboutthat, and you have to nurse them
so they go back to sleep. Andthat doesn't mean that you
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didn't have enough milk, it justmeans that, you know, they got
annoyed.
Amanda Gorman (15:51):
Right? So just to clarify, you know, once the
milk, the milk supply isestablished, and you say, you
know, kind of normal intake istwo to three ounces. But that's
not necessarily what moms willsee if they're pumping, if
they're exclusively putting babyto the breast. Is that the case?
Joanna Kreyling (16:08):
Right. Right.
And that's, you know, why wereally want to watch the baby
and not the clock, because, youknow, I'll give mom's the
example, when I went back towork with one of my kiddos in
the morning, my morning pumpwould be like six ounces, my
middle of the day pump would belike, four and my afternoon pump
would be you know, I don'tremember it was like three or
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four, somebody said it went downthroughout the day. And that is
normal. Is that something thatyou're seeing and you're
worrying about? It- that is,that's normal and to be
expected. So your pump is nevergoing to remove milk as well as
your baby is. And that's why Iget very annoyed when you know,
I hear that providers arewanting moms to pump to see how
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much milk they're making? Well,you know, how good is the mom's
pump? Are the flanges cracked?
You know, what time of day isshe pumping? Like there's so
many factors there that it'sjust not, it's just not the best
way to know if your baby'sgetting enough to eat.
Amanda Gorman (17:09):
Gotcha. So well, let's talk about breast size. So
bigger boobs more milk, is thatthe correlation?
Joanna Kreyling (17:16):
Well, that is actually not true. Breast milk
storage capacity is somethingthat's completely independent of
breast size. I have worked withmany small breasted women with
oversupply and I've worked withwomen with very large breasts
that have low milk supply. And,you know, it really comes down
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to why and you know, maybe theyhave a thyroid issue, or maybe
they use their Haakaa a wholelot in early days or you know,
whatever it is that that can,can sometimes contribute to
these these uh, milk supplybeing more or less, but some of
it honestly, it's just genetic.
It's how you are built, yourduct sizes, and how much your
breasts can comfortably hold. Imean, certain women, their
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breasts are physically veryuncomfortable when they're
holding a certain number ofounces, but another woman, it's
just like, it's fine.
Amanda Gorman (18:16):
Interesting. So my next question and topic is
something that's a littlepersonal to me. And it's
surrounding whether or not eachboob are equal in what they
produce. And, and I know this isnot the case. But I want to
know, what should a woman do ifthere's a marked difference in
supply? Because I know it's notwhat I did, which was ignore it.
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I actually ended up feeding myson almost three years from one
boob exclusively. So how shouldmom's address unequal supply
earlier than say, I did.
Joanna Kreyling (18:50):
Listen, listen, firstly, if that works for you
guys, cool on you. But you know,if you want help for your
slacker boob, we are here too. Ioften tell women, you know, it's
normal to have a deadness side.
Oftentimes women, you know, ahalf an ounce, an ounce
difference. And that's normal,it's not, you know, our feet are
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not the same size. They're justnot, you know, our hands are not
the same size, our breasts arenot, you know, perfectly the
same size either. So if itbothers you, you know, in terms
of your comfort, or maybe you'reextremely lost, and can't find a
bra with it. Talking to alactation consultant, you know,
right off the bat, things Iwould suggest would be start on
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the lower producer, when you'renursing on the lower producer,
doing that massage, doingcompressions really trying to
empty that side out verythoroughly. And so that, you
know, you're you're optimizingeverything out of that breast
and then moving to the highersupply breast and if you want to
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pump on the lower breast, um,lower yielding breast that would
kind of stimulate more supply inthat side. But yeah, I mean, a
little bit, not a big deal. Butif it bothers you, there's
definitely things that can bedone.
Amanda Gorman (20:15):
If only I had known. So what about the
relationship betweenbreastfeeding and pumping. You
know, pumping is essential forgood supply?
Joanna Kreyling (20:25):
No. I mean, now that I feel like, I get asked a
lot about pumping and going backto work, and a lot of these
things very early on. Women feellike, okay, I have to have the
baby, my insurance company, theysent me this pump. So I should
be using it, right, like this isthis is the way it should work?
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And the answer is no, you don't,you don't have to pump to have
that good supply of milk. If youare following your baby's cues,
and nursing when they're hungry,then you don't need you don't
need to be pumping. And, youknow, if you do need to be pump-
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so say, say you nurse your babyand you think like, oh my gosh,
you know, the baby did a reallygood job on this side, but it
still feels really hard. I mean,that would be a reason to talk
to an IBCLC. You know, is thelatch not great? Do you have an
oversupply, like what is goingon? You can actually give
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yourself an oversupply bypumping too much in those early
days. And I've worked with a lotof women, "Oh my gosh,
oversupply would be so great.
That would be, that would belovely." You know, over supply,
you know, I've seen babies thatdon't want to nurse directly
because it's like a fire hose.
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I've seen babies that are verycolicky and unhappy because of
all of the gas and, you know,the very quick transit through
their G.I system. And so,really, just just in, in those,
I always encourage moms in thoseearly days, just work on getting
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that latch, right. And gettingthat those [unknown] completed
and get some sleep. Like youwill have so much time to pump
later. And it's not the most funthing. So you know, enjoy your
baby, learn your baby, learn howto latch your baby. And enjoy
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that time. There's so much timeto pump later. If you do want to
pump, you know, talking again tothe lactation consultant on how
do we do that, how do we pump sothat it's comfortable, it
doesn't cause my nipples damage.
I don't have myself a crazyoversupply that, you know, I end
up with [unknown] and all ofthese terrible things. So, you
know, no, you don't need, youdon't need the pump. And if you
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do feel like you have to pump tokeep your milk supply up. Why is
that? What's what's going onthat that you're having to do
all that extra pumping? Is therean issue with the latch, you
know what, what's going on?
Because you really shouldn'thave to. And again, talking to
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the lactation consultant, havingthem watch a feed is really
going to help you there.
Amanda Gorman (23:34):
Awesome. That's great to know. So enough talk
about baby getting fed. Let'schat about what moms should be
eating. Are there any specificfoods that help with milk
production?
Joanna Kreyling (23:46):
The the studies on that are not really there.
There's you know, ve-culturally, you'll see a lot of
variances around the world aboutwhat foods are really good for
milk supply. In America, there'slots of talk about oatmeal, and
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blue Gatorade, and coconutwater, and a dark beer before
bed and you know just thesedifferent, different things and
there's really not research thatsupports those. What I always
say is let you know, eat, eatfor what you know, eat a healthy
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diet, and make sure that you areeating because there are some
moms out there that you know getvery caught up in the busy, busy
busy of having a newborn thatthey aren't taking care of
themselves. They are notstopping to eat. They're not
napping, they're not doing thosethings that they need to do, you
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know in those early days to keepkeep their mental health and
their physical health and all ofthose things in balance. So if
you want to eat oatmeal in themorning, eat oatmeal, eat all
the lactation cookies you want,if you find, you know, I would
say there's, you know, justbecause there's not a study
doesn't mean that it- there-isn't some truth in it. So if
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you find that you, when you eatoatmeal, you have better milk
supply then go for it. I'm notgoing to tell you, you're wrong.
And really, the, the ones thatthey have the good research on
would be more like that, thatFenugreek. And like the
[unknown], you know, some ofthose that, that there's a
little bit more scientificevidence that it's beneficial.
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But, you know, when it comes tostudies and lactating moms,
it's, it's kind of a- kind of ahard sell to to do studies on
moms that are breastfeeding. Soyou know, we only have the
studies and the research that wehave. It can be a bit limited.
Amanda Gorman (25:55):
That makes sense.
Let me move on to leaking. Itseems moms are a little
surprised about leaking milk,both both prenatally and
postpartum. So let's talk aboutthat a bit.
Joanna Kreyling (26:09):
So your breasts may or may not leak. You know, I
have worked prenatally with somewomen that are very worried
about it. And, or, you know, inpostpartum, they're very worried
about it. And, you know, breastsleak, for a variety of reasons.
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You know, they leak or your milklets down, when oxytocin is
released. So if you think aboutnursing your baby, or you hear a
baby cry, or you put your babyto the breast, or it's the usual
time that you normally feed yourbaby. It can cause leaking, and
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it can cause leaking on bothsides. Not all women leak, and
this is, you know, something Ialways talk to moms about is,
you know, when your milk supplyis still learning to be what
your baby needs it to be inthose six weeks. You know, it's
not I wouldn't panic a whole lotabout the leaking during that
(27:19):
period, because it it may changeor improve. A lot of that has to
do also with genetics, and howtight your junctures are. Some
people leak, some people don'tleak. If you don't leak it
doesn't mean that you don't havemilk, you know. So, you know,
(27:40):
you can leak or not, and youleak on both sides. That's
that's a that's a big surprisefor moms. And like, I don't know
why I'm leaking on both sides,and the baby's only nursing on
one side? Well, the oxytocindoesn't really know. Now
oxytocin doesn't really knowthat when you are having some
relations with your husband, andyou come to release, that that
(28:05):
same oxytocin might causeleaking at that time, too. And
again, I you know, I tell womenabout that, if they want to know
about it, but again, it'ssomething that may or may not
happen. So, you know.
Amanda Gorman (28:22):
Hey, the more information we have, the more we
know.
Joanna Kreyling (28:26):
Well, you know, no one ever told me about it.
Like that's like, you know, notnot in the book. No.
Amanda Gorman (28:34):
No, didn't cover.
Dr. Spock didn't cover that one.
Joanna Kreyling (28:38):
I didn't have that in my PNP program.
Amanda Gorman (28:40):
No, certainly not. So listen, above all else,
we know how beneficialbreastfeeding is for baby. It
certainly is by far thehealthiest to feed our babies.
But what I don't think momsrealize is how beneficial
breastfeeding is to theirhealth. Can you talk about that?
Joanna Kreyling (29:03):
Oh, yeah. I mean, it's, it's very, you know,
I think that that's somethingreally important to touch on is
it you know, it's, it'sbeneficial for for you and your
your body in terms of, you know,diabetes, depression,
(29:24):
osteoporosis, and reducing yourrates for ovarian and breast
cancers and heart disease, highblood pressure. So, you know, it
has a lot of benefits to moms.
Some moms, it helps them loseweight. I definitely was not in
that category. But sometimes itdoes. It can also delay your
(29:44):
period, which is super, supernice if you're one of those moms
that that falls into thatcategory of not getting a
period. Quite quite nice.
Amanda Gorman (30:01):
I was not so there's some variants in that.
Joanna Kreyling (30:03):
I am so haha.
Amanda Gorman (30:05):
Good for you.
Good for you, J. Listen, Joanna,we said, we talked about 10
things you didn't know aboutbreastfeeding, but I'm pretty
sure we've covered a lot morethan that. I feel like you and I
could probably go on forever.
But unfortunately, that's allthe time that we actually have
for today. We'd love to have youback again to answer some more
questions if you'd be up for it.
But in the meantime, how canlisteners get in touch with you
(30:26):
if they have any questions orjust would like to book a
consult?
Joanna Kreyling (30:31):
Well, they just need to go to
Nestcollaborative.com. Book nowand find me there. If you know
they can call the number. It's,you know, I'm around, that's for
sure. But you know, everyone onour team is awesome. That's what
I always say. Everyone on ourteam is awesome. We're all good.
(30:54):
And we see each other's peoplebecause we love each other. And
we always want what's best interms of mom's timing and needs.
So yeah, I'm definitely I'maround.
Amanda Gorman (31:06):
Yes. And, and you're right, we really we
really work hard so that momsknow that no matter what day
they come to Nest Collaborative,or who they see, that they're
always going to get the bestquality of care and a consistent
level of care. So absolutely. Ihope moms will check you out. So
that's really great. Thank youso much for being our guest here
(31:27):
on the first episode ofBreastfeeding Unplugged. We
certainly can't wait until youvisit us again next time.
Joanna Kreyling (31:33):
Well, I am definitely up for a next time.
Amanda Gorman (31:36):
Awesome.
So mamas and mamas to be that isour very first episode for you.
We hope you liked what youheard, and we will be back next
week with another titillatingtopic to help you along your
breastfeeding journey. Pleasedon't forget to check us out on
Facebook atfacebook.com/breastfeedingunplugged
or Instagram atinstagram.com/breastfeedingunplugged,
(32:00):
where we will have links to afull transcription of today's
podcast. Please be sure to alsovisit us at
breastfeedingunplugged.com tolearn more about upcoming shows
and to submit your questions.
Until next week. It's me Amanda,wishing you very well. Boo bye.
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