By HR for HR
By HR, For HR is a podcast hosted by VirgilHR CEO Jocelyn King that brings practical insights from HR leaders on recruiting, performance management, compliance, leadership, AI, and more. Each episode shares real-world lessons you can apply immediately to elevate your organization and strategy.
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In this episode of By HR for HR, host Jocelyn King sits down with Bethany Muzzi, an HR professional who built her leadership foundation in the high-stakes healthcare environment during COVID-19 before transitioning into the fast-paced construction industry. Bethany shares her "sink or swim" lessons and explores how human resources acts as a universal anchor across vastly different sectors.
The conversation unpacks the distinct t...
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June 11, 2026 • 24 mins
In this episode of By HR for HR, host Jocelyn King connects with Kara Kelley, a fractional HR business partner, entrepreneur, and founder of the HR Consultants Mastermind Community. Kara shares her journey of launching her firm, Clinical HR, in the medical and dental compliance space right at the onset of the pandemic, navigating the chaotic waves of early COVID-19 compliance mandates, and scaling her business into a highly visible...
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June 4, 2026 • 22 mins
In this episode of By HR for HR, host Jocelyn King sits down with Steve Browne, a 40-year human resources veteran, to explore the profound evolution of the profession from the restrictive, top-down days of "Personnel" to modern organizational design. Steve reflects on his expansive career and shares why he is presenting on "HR Without Boundaries" and "The Heart of HR" at the upcoming SHRM conference.
The conversation dives deep in...
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May 14, 2026 • 22 mins
In this episode of HRHR, host Jocelyn King sits down with Elles Skony, a dynamic leader in the HR space, to explore the journey of transitioning from in-house HR leadership to entrepreneurship. Elles, who has a rich background in high-growth startups, shares her experience of founding her own business and creating Fractional People People, a thriving community for HR entrepreneurs.
Listeners will gain insights into the challenges ...
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May 7, 2026 • 24 mins
In this episode of HRHR, host Jocelyn King engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Junell Venord, a seasoned HR professional and Senior Director at the Washington Area Community Investment Fund. Junell shares her unique journey through various industries, from teaching to HR leadership, and how these experiences have shaped her approach to building strong HR communities.
Listeners will gain valuable insights into the impor...
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April 30, 2026 • 22 mins
Join us in this enlightening episode of HRHR as we dive into the intricacies of leadership and strategy with Jen Miller, founder of Leading Edge. With a rich background as an HR leader, Jen shares her journey from corporate HR to establishing her own company focused on developing effective leadership that drives business outcomes.
In this conversation, Jen discusses how she helps organizations translate business strategies into cle...
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April 9, 2026 • 22 mins
Jocelyn King sits down with Angela Cheng-Cimini, a 30-year HR veteran and current Chief People Officer at the Chronicle of Philanthropy. Angela shares her journey from full-time leadership at Harvard Business Review to fractional work, offering a masterclass on what CEOs truly expect from their HR leaders. She emphasizes that HR’s core mission is to optimize talent to deliver on organizational objectives—whether through...
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March 26, 2026 • 28 mins
Tony Buffum, co-founder of The Human Cloud, joins host Jocelyn King to discuss the inevitable shift toward flexible work and the "freelance economy". Reflecting on his time at Upwork and Stanley Black & Decker, Tony explores why many HR professionals resist non-traditional staffing—citing fears of compliance, loss of control, and the "status quo" of full-time headcount. He encourages HR leaders to view themselves as the "...
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March 12, 2026 • 24 mins
Tami Nutt, Vice President of Research and Insights for Aspect 43, shares how her 20-year career as an HR practitioner informs her current work as an industry analyst. She explains how analysts provide unbiased evaluations of technology and market trends, helping busy HR professionals connect the dots between global economics and workplace tools. Tami emphasizes that in the age of AI, HR must act as the "human experts," identifying ...
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February 26, 2026 • 26 mins
Kimberly Prescott, founder of Prescott HR, joins the podcast to discuss the critical role of courage and confidence in the HR profession. Drawing from her background in the Air Force and her experience as a minority in corporate environments, Kimberly explains why HR professionals must move past the desire to "be liked" and instead focus on providing honest, fact-based feedback. She argues that avoiding difficult conversations erod...
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February 19, 2026 • 20 mins
Jocelyn King sits down with Benjamin Langner to discuss the profound shifts currently hitting the HR profession, which he compares to the era when email first revolutionized communication. As a Vice President for a global recruitment process outsourcing (RPO) organization, Ben acts as "HR for 1,000 other HR professionals," giving him a unique vantage point on the "AI boom" and the evolving world of work. He shares a practical frame...
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February 12, 2026 • 24 mins
Erica McMannes, Chief Experience Officer at Instant Teams, joins the podcast to share her expertise in building high-performing, fully distributed workforces. Having moved 14 times as a military spouse, Erica founded Instant Teams to create a talent marketplace that connects companies with the highly skilled but often overlooked community of over 12 million military spouses. She discusses the "ethos to remote communication" that he...
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February 5, 2026 • 20 mins
Lisa Elowson brings over 30 years of HR experience and a specialized background in mediation to discuss the unavoidable reality of workplace conflict. Lisa explains that many professionals dread conflict because they are naturally "conflict adverse," but she argues that conflict doesn't have to be toxic if it is addressed early. She compares unresolved disputes to a "Titanic iceberg," where the hidden costs, such as mental disengag...
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January 29, 2026 • 15 mins
Employment law is often reactive, but Joel Greenwald argues for a "preventative medicine" approach to protect businesses before litigation strikes. In this episode, Joel breaks down the most common legal pitfalls HR leaders face, including inadequate documentation and the rampant misclassification of independent contractors and exempt employees.
The conversation turns to the cutting edge of HR compliance: Artificial Intelligence. ...
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January 22, 2026 • 21 mins
From "failed tennis pro" to leading a global network of over 150 recruiters, Walter Sabrin joins Jocelyn King to explore the high-stakes world of talent acquisition. Walter discusses how Vensure Employer Solutions scaled from 120 to over 6,000 employees by treating HR as a strategic business alliance rather than a roadblock.
The discussion tackles the "Empty Seat Syndrome"—the danger of hiring the wrong person out of despera...
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January 15, 2026 • 22 mins
In this episode of By HR For HR, host Jocelyn King sits down with Joey Price to discuss the evolution of the HR professional from administrative support to the "operating system" of modern business. Joey shares insights from his journey as an HR consultant and author, explaining why HR leaders must act as diplomats who balance the needs of employees with the strategic goals of the C-suite.
The conversation also dives into the acqu...
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January 8, 2026 • 19 mins
John Baldino, President of Humareso, joins us live from HR Tech 2025 to discuss the evolution of the industry, from the days of "Personnel" and manual payroll to today’s data-driven people analytics. John challenges HR leaders to stop obsessing over "time to hire" and start calculating the real cost of vacancy: quantifying the lost productivity when managers have to cover open roles and the financial impact of burnout on rema...
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December 18, 2025 • 18 mins
Jessica Miller-Merrell joins us from HR Tech 2025 for a fast-moving, highly practical discussion about how HR leaders can get tech-ready in a world where AI, compliance demands, and integrations are evolving faster than most teams can keep up. Jessica shares how HR pros should approach learning new tech, the right questions to ask vendors, and the biggest mistakes she sees during vetting and implementation.
She also breaks down ho...
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December 11, 2025 • 15 mins
Live from HR Tech 2025, Katrina Kibben brings their signature clarity and storytelling to a conversation about employer brand, EVP development, and the linguistic data that reveals what employees actually value. Katrina explains why every strong EVP starts with deep listening, not leadership soundbites, and how interviewing people across levels produces the most accurate, actionable picture of company culture.
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December 4, 2025 • 21 mins
Recorded live at HR Tech 2025 in Las Vegas, this conversation with Christy Honeycutt dives into twenty years of hands-on talent expertise and breaks down exactly when an RPO model makes sense and when it doesn’t. Christy walks through the questions every TA leader should be prepared to answer before talking to a recruitment process outsourcing (RPO), the hidden ATS issues that quietly block candidates, and why “finding ...
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