Episode 188 - Uncovering The Layers Of The Music Industry: Artist Confessionals

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We're sitting down with Musician/artist Cherell Terri (@Cherellgtvocals) and producer (@8oh3muziq) to talk all things music. We cover some topics including:

• How the music industry is layered and may not be all it appears to be.
• The process of making music.
• How being a creative impacts your personal life.
• Why some artists disappear or "fall off."
• Cherell's music and relatable goals.

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SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
Welcome to the show.
Can I vibe with y'all?

SPEAKER_00 (00:04):
Oh yeah! What's good, what's good, what's good,
what's good, what's good.
Welcome back to can I vibe withy'all with the vibes are
immaculate every h every time wehop up in here?
We excited as always.
We got different vibes.
We got immaculate vibes.
We got the guests back in thebuilding.
We in LA.
You know what I'm saying?
And we are excited to get backinto this, bring you all the

(00:26):
good stuff.
If it's your first timelistening, it's your boy Kaz,
host of the show.
And we got two lovely ladies inthe building.
Miss, what's what's your stagename, first of all?
Do you have a stage name?

SPEAKER_03 (00:37):
Sherelle Terry.

SPEAKER_00 (00:38):
Sherelle Terry.
Okay.
We got Sherelle Terry in thebuilding.
Then we got 803 in the building.
Okay.
Miss Sherelle, do you want tostart?
You want to introduce who youare?
Sure.
Because we got we got sometalent today.

SPEAKER_03 (00:49):
Sure.
Um, so my name is SherelleTerry.
Um, I am a singer, songwriter,rapper, arranger, vocal
producer.
I do all the things.
All things music.
Um, I play any role that isneeded to be played at that time
for the you know, betterment ofthe record, is what I like to
say.
Um, but yeah, I do that.

(01:10):
I'm a creative.
I'm somebody's mama out here,you know what I'm saying?
I make slaps from time to time,like all the things.
So that's who I am.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18):
Okay.
Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And 803.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21):
Hey, 803.
Um from South Carolina.
So where the 803 comes from.
Living in Atlanta, I produce.
Uh, some of my people call melike Swiss Army Knife.
So, whatever type of vibe you'relooking for, I can typically
give you that.
Um and my wheelhouse is mostlyproduction, but also let some of
my people tell it I can hear alittle note every now and then.
Oh.

(01:44):
A little bit.
A little bit.

SPEAKER_00 (01:46):
Oh man, we feel with it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:47):
Sensitive about my shit, though.

SPEAKER_00 (01:48):
See, um little background.
I am not musically gifted.
Okay.
I understand music very well.
There you go.
But I cannot sing.
That's all right.
So maybe by the end of this,y'all y'all might teach me a
little something.

unknown (02:01):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (02:02):
We're gonna sing about that.
Listen, we got we got y'all doit all.
You do it all.
So, Sorell, we're gonna startwith you.
What age did you learn that likeyou could sing?
Like, how did it start?

SPEAKER_03 (02:16):
Oh man.
Um, so I'm gonna date myself.
Uh, it started when Mariah Careywas on the radio and fantasy
came out.

SPEAKER_00 (02:25):
So was that 95?

SPEAKER_03 (02:27):
Oh boy, somewhere around there.
97?
Like 90.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (02:33):
That's about honey.

SPEAKER_03 (02:34):
No, 97 was honey.
No, fantasy came out beforethat, didn't you?

SPEAKER_01 (02:37):
Yeah, it was like 95.
Yeah, it was like 99.

SPEAKER_03 (02:39):
Uh, but yeah, so it was early on.
Like I was a kid, and I was Iheard Mariah Carey, and the way
that the story goes, I wasoutside playing, they was
playing Mariah Carey because mydad and my mom, they love music.
They don't make music, but theylove music.
So they played everything.
And apparently they heard mesinging along and stopped what
they were doing and came out.

SPEAKER_00 (03:00):
So it's it was natural.

SPEAKER_03 (03:02):
Apparently.
So, yeah.
Yeah, so that's where itstarted.
Um, from there, I've always justloved music.
I feel like music and TV raisedme for real.
Um, and it went from that toschool plays to church to talent
shows.

SPEAKER_00 (03:19):
Were you like uh the choir?

SPEAKER_03 (03:21):
Oh yeah.
When I got to when I got toCalifornia before that, you
know, my grandmother likes tosay that my parents were some
heathens.
So we didn't go to church forreal.
When we were in Alabama.
So originally, I let me startthere.
I'm from Alabama originally, andI moved to the Bay Area when I
was 11 years old.

SPEAKER_04 (03:37):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (03:38):
So I spent the early childhood years in in the South.

SPEAKER_00 (03:42):
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
It's different over there.
Very.
I live in the South.
Okay.
It's very however I'm in SouthFlorida, so it's Y'all
different, different.
You're different.
It's not the South, like not inthe way you think about the
South.

SPEAKER_03 (03:55):
I feel like y'all, y'all, Florida.
Florida.
Florida's its own country.
Like it's the South, and thenit's easy to be.

SPEAKER_00 (04:00):
Well, North Florida is what I consider the South.
Like Alabama, Mississippi,Louisiana, Georgia.
South Florida is just theCaribbean.
Yes.
And it's it's a it's a meltedpot.
It's a I love it, but it's a lotgoing on.

SPEAKER_03 (04:15):
I bet.

SPEAKER_00 (04:17):
So so you would say it's a gift.

SPEAKER_03 (04:19):
Yeah.
Okay.
I've always been able to sing alittle bit.

SPEAKER_00 (04:22):
So what about for the average person?
Like, is this something you'reborn with, or can you learn how
to sing?
Like you say, you just heardMariah Carey, and next thing you
know, your parents just, youknow, put you out there.

SPEAKER_03 (04:34):
Yeah.
Um there are people who I feellike you gotta have something.
You gotta have something.
Even if it's an ear or like atone.
So here's the thing now withmusic, and I'll probably say I
won't go on a rant.
No, you're right.
But before it was more so basedon talent.
Singing was you had to be ableto blow, right?

(04:57):
Now they're not so much worriedabout that as they are with
tone.
So you can have a nice tone andit'll get you by and you can
make a good record.
But you may not necessarily havethe natural gift to just be able
to sing, if that makes sense.
Tone is more along the lines oflike talking where you can kind
of play with it.

(05:18):
As long as you stay apart withit.
You can make a song.

SPEAKER_00 (05:21):
Yeah, we're gonna make a song today.
Okay.
We're gonna make a song today.
All right, for real.
We got a producer in thebuilding too.

SPEAKER_02 (05:28):
Hey, hey.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (05:30):
Okay.
So I we'll switch to theproducing side of it.
Okay.
How what's the process of that?
Like briefly explaining it,what's the process of that?
Like, if we were in here rightnow with no equipment, could you
produce something?

SPEAKER_01 (05:45):
I can get an idea going, I'm sure.
I mean, you can really takeanything, like so it starts with
an idea.

SPEAKER_00 (05:50):
So if we're in here just and just yeah, you could
take that.

SPEAKER_01 (05:55):
You could even take that sound in with some more
equipment, like morph it intosomething else and make it sound
like a kick drum or a snare.
Like you can design a sound.
So that's also part of it aswell.
An important part, likeunderstanding like what
sonically works together.

SPEAKER_00 (06:12):
You're mentioning the tone.
Yeah.
Um obviously uh music haschanged a lot over the years.
So, for example, let's say I'lljust throw myself in there,
hypothetical.
Okay.
Let's just say I was an upcomingartist and I had a good tone,
but I didn't necessarily havethe other talents.

SPEAKER_04 (06:30):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (06:31):
Um, do you think there's a difference when like
people, you know, when they haveto perform live or going on
tour, or like like if they onlyhave the tone, then how does
that transition?

SPEAKER_03 (06:40):
They have auto-tune for that built into the
microphones.
There you go.
And a person that's moving theboard and cleaning up everything
for you, so you don't have toworry about that.
And there's a thing called showtracks where they are
pre-recording.
It's a whole bunch of littletricks and things that they do
and to where you don't have toreally so they could go their
whole career with never actuallyshowing their true voice.

SPEAKER_00 (07:01):
Correct.

SPEAKER_03 (07:03):
Happens every day.

SPEAKER_00 (07:04):
So so what especially I got so many
questions that like how whatwhat happens what happens if
someone hears their true voice?

SPEAKER_03 (07:12):
Man, but I mean, it's it's not it's nothing
that's new.
There are we used to call themstudio singers back in the day.
There's always been an era withstudio singers who just slid by
and couldn't hit a damn note,including, I'll just I'll
mention a couple.
J-Lo, maybe.
We can go back to J-Lo.
J-Lo had slaps with J-Lo.

(07:34):
Baby, baby can't sing.
My baby can't sing.

SPEAKER_00 (07:37):
She can perform.

SPEAKER_03 (07:38):
She can perform, but she's never well, she tried to
sing live recently and thatdidn't go too well.
But before that, they made sureshe didn't.
You know what I'm saying?
But she's somebody with a goodenough tone and a lot of studio
magic where she had all thosehits and she was able to do
shows and do all the things, andno one really cared about that

(07:59):
or made her sing live type ofthing, you know what I'm saying?
So there's there's a lot ofsingers who have been able to
skate by.

SPEAKER_00 (08:04):
So there's the performance side to it where you
might be a great singer and havegreat talent, but you know,
maybe you're maybe you getstaged right or whatever it is.
Um, you do think do you thinkthat like stops them from
propelling their career more?
Or can you get by with just thenatural, natural singing talent?

SPEAKER_03 (08:24):
I mean, we also see that every day.
Jill Scott just get on stage andbe Jill Scott.
She ain't really got to movearound and do just singing the
mic.

SPEAKER_00 (08:30):
You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 (08:31):
Just being but it's how she does it.
It's her stage presence, it'sdifferent things that matter.
It's a different aura and whatshe brings with her music and
who she is.
She doesn't have to do all theother things.
She doesn't have to she's stillperforming, you're still gonna
get an experience, but it's justa different experience.

SPEAKER_00 (08:47):
Gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 (08:47):
She doesn't require to have to like dance and move
around a stage a lot.

SPEAKER_00 (08:52):
Do you think that's preferred?

SPEAKER_03 (08:54):
Or is it I think it I think it's uh it depends on
the audience and the taste andthe type of music that you like.
Um with Jill Scott, she don'tmake you want to dance around
hella fast and shake everythingyou got that your mama gave you.
You know what I'm saying?
Like she don't make you feellike that, but she makes you
feel like I could vibe to this alittle bit, like, oh, I like
this.
So she could fill stadiums wherepeople will stand up and just

(09:15):
sway or people can sit down andenjoy her voice.

SPEAKER_04 (09:17):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (09:18):
Like she just has that.
But that's what she brings inher genre and and who she is
with her talent.

SPEAKER_00 (09:23):
Gotcha.
Yeah.
So really there's it seems likethere's a spot for everybody in
this.
Um, especially with the newergeneration, the taste is
different.
Yeah.
Um, so like you said, maybe theyjust want to hear a good beat
for you coming.
Yeah.
Um and they just, you know,maybe it's an artist who just
has the voice to match it.

(09:43):
The lyrics might be terrible.
Right.
If there are lyrics.
But if there are lyrics, yeah.
But how wait, so how long haveyou officially been in the
industry?

SPEAKER_03 (09:55):
Oh, um, since I was 15 years old.
Okay.
Yeah, so I'll still be able todo that.
We won't we won't date you, soI'm just okay.

SPEAKER_00 (10:00):
I'm just thinking about how much has changed.

SPEAKER_03 (10:02):
Um I mean it it has.
I think the tactics havechanged, and you have social
media, like things have changed,but like the way that the
industry moves has always beenthe same.
So I think we just adapt to thetimes.

SPEAKER_00 (10:17):
Okay.
Do you think it's an industryworth getting into?

SPEAKER_03 (10:21):
Um That's a very loaded question.

SPEAKER_00 (10:27):
In a good way or a bad way.

SPEAKER_03 (10:29):
So I saw someone recently say, and I agree with
this person, I can't rememberwhat interview it was, but she
said there is the creation ofmusic, there's a music business,
and then there's a musicindustry.
Those are three differentthings.

SPEAKER_00 (10:43):
Let's break it down.

SPEAKER_03 (10:44):
Okay.
So the creation of music, or youhave an artist that just wants
to make music, right?
They just want to do it.
Whether they make it or not, itdoesn't matter.
They just want to create music,right?
But it would be great if theymade it.
And you have the music businesswhen you actually jump into it
and you have to learn certainthings about how to actually get

(11:06):
this creation out of yourcomputer and into the world, and
all of the little things thatyou have to do in order to do
that properly, and all thestudying and the learning and
all of that, and actuallymonetizing that, then you have
the industry.
And the industry is just peoplewho do whatever they want to do
at the end of the day.

(11:26):
So that's like the dark part ofit.
But um I wouldn't I wouldrecommend people go through the
steps first, but the industry,the industry.
Now are those steps in order?
Um well, yeah, because it allstarts with a creation.

SPEAKER_00 (11:41):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (11:42):
Yeah.
So it starts with the creationof music.
And then um honestly, the musicbusiness or the music industry,
it just depends on how you fallinto it and like how you're
discovered or how you find outabout things or your
opportunities, just the way thatthings happen for you.
You might fall into the industryfirst, or you might um, you
know, be blessed enough to fallinto the business side.

SPEAKER_00 (12:03):
So you don't want to fall in in the industry first.

SPEAKER_03 (12:05):
Not initially, not in my opinion.
But I mean it's working forpeople.

SPEAKER_00 (12:08):
Now, is it because you you become a product of the
industry and you know, kind ofget molded into whatever they
want?

SPEAKER_03 (12:16):
Um, I don't I mean, that's a part of it, right?
But at the same time, it's justa lot of muddiness, it's a lot
of gray areas with the industrypart of it.
Um again, I feel like it's justa lot of people who do what they
want to until someone saysotherwise and stops them.
You know what I'm saying?
Like it's just a a wholedifferent type of thing, and you
have to think about politics andjust different things that are

(12:40):
actually super stressful in myopinion, or completely take make
you lose sight of what you'reactually here to do and things
like that.
So it's a very it like I said,it's very murky over there in
the music industry.

SPEAKER_00 (12:53):
But do you think people kind of lose that dream
because of they Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (12:58):
You don't even have to finish the question.
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (13:01):
I feel like you see even behind the scenes, you see
it.

SPEAKER_03 (13:04):
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (13:04):
Um, you know, what happened to this artist?
What happened to that artist?

SPEAKER_03 (13:07):
People get discouraged every day.
It's a lot of stuff they they'vedealt with that they're not
willing to deal with anymore.
A lot of experience, a lot ofman, a lot of a lot of things
are occurring back there that alot of people don't see.
And they wonder, like, whathappened to this person?
Or they'll ask you, like, well,why aren't you further with your
career?
Why aren't you this?
And it's like you have no ideawhat I have to do in order to,

(13:29):
you know, right, get to whereyou think I should be right now.
Like it doesn't, it's it yeah,it's a lot.
It's a lot.

SPEAKER_00 (13:36):
I understand.
Yeah.
803, we'll we'll go to you.

SPEAKER_03 (13:39):
Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (13:40):
Um kind of the same thing from the producer side.
Like, is it different?
Is it easier?
Is it harder adjusting to theindustry as a producer?

SPEAKER_01 (13:49):
Um, it it comes with its own set of challenges as
well.
Um yeah, like trying to make thespace, particularly being a
woman in this space where it'svery, very largely male
dominated.
So that adds an extra layer forme and the other women producers
out there, I know y'all outthere, but it does add that
extra layer because when we comein, it's like, okay, let's let

(14:12):
the girl play and see.
But we really be hard.

SPEAKER_00 (14:16):
We be fine out here.
So do you think the men umseeing a woman as a producer,
they're automatically like, youknow, you they just look at you
different.
You got to prove yourself alittle more.

SPEAKER_01 (14:28):
Yes.
Um, I think over the years, Imean, I've been, I'm not gonna
date myself, but it's been, I'vebeen at it a long time.
But I would say like at it, likecollaborating and actually
working with others, probablylike 10, about 10 years.
So I have seen um some positivechange at the beginning of that
10 years.
It's like, yeah, no girl, we'renot gonna let you play.

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But now it's like there might besome looks, but there's all
they've also heard like thefruit of it.
It's like, okay, I can't reallyjudge that this is a woman doing
it.
Let me just hear it first.
Right.
Um, but it still comes with itsown challenges.
Like in a working environment,you have that kind of El Bravado
and being in those spaces andstill making room for yourself

(15:12):
in those male-dominated spaces.

SPEAKER_00 (15:14):
Now, you're I mean, when you're making when you're
making beats, like your your artis, you know, through that beat,
through the music.
Whereas Sharella, the yours isthrough your voice.
So do you think it's likedifferent to be like, you know,
you make a beat so good youcan't even argue with it and
like ban art woman?

SPEAKER_01 (15:32):
Oh it's possible.
Um, but I'm I'm one of thosethat there's always room to grow
and improve.
So I'm really more so about likehow something is presented.
So I may feel it's perfect.
Shrill might hear it and belike, Hey, sis, like, what about
this here?
Or what about that there?
And that's okay for me as aproducer.

(15:53):
Um, and we really could go downthe beat maker producer rabbit
hole.
Because I I define those as twodifferent things.
Um, because I want to be in theproduction, involved in the
production of the whole track.
Not just I'm making the beat, Isend it off to Cheryl, like,
hey, let me know when you'refinished.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (16:09):
Do you write too?

SPEAKER_01 (16:10):
A little bit.
I can do a little piece.
I can give you, I can give yousome uh Okay, okay.
I can give you a little uhfeedback here and there.
But ultimately, it's like, yes,I will send beats off and let
it, the end products, if there'san end product, get back to me.
Like artists, record yourrecords and and put them in the

(16:32):
world, please.
And thank you.
Um but my preference is to be inthe studio with the artist so I
can um provide my feedback aswell.
It's like, oh yeah, like that,like more power to your voice
here, or maybe we want to switchthis word up there, or maybe
move some things around.
So I'm looking at that.

(16:53):
That's more of the producer,like even thinking of it like
television.
Executive producer, they're notin the show, but they're
orchestrating everything, orlike a calib, like at handmade
beats in forever, but he pullsthe people in the room.
So um, producer for me is that,and beatmaker, not saying one is
better or worse, they're justdifferent.

(17:13):
But the beatmaker is the onethat is happy, kind of in that
creation phase.
That's what they want.
It's like, okay, I'm creatingthe beat, I want to send it off,
you do what you do.
I don't want to be involved inthe rest of that.

SPEAKER_00 (17:24):
Gotcha.
Makes sense.
I'm assuming you produce forChirail, or no?

SPEAKER_01 (17:29):
Yeah, we work together.
Yeah, we worked together.

SPEAKER_00 (17:31):
When's the last time you worked together?

SPEAKER_01 (17:33):
Oh, it's been a little bit, but I'm gonna say
this, but I'm I'm out yetthough.
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (17:38):
Do y'all have any songs together?

SPEAKER_03 (17:40):
Not that are out, not yet.
They're still sitting.
I know, that's why I laugh.
That's why I laugh.
But she knows that there's onein particular that I absolutely
love, and Lord, I've redone itso many times, and I just feel
like it ain't, it's not readyyet, but we're gonna get that
out there.
We definitely are.
Okay.
And plus we both make music allthe time.
So more stuff is coming.
I just think it's timing.

SPEAKER_00 (18:01):
What's the quickest you ever made a song, and what's
the longest you ever made asong?

SPEAKER_03 (18:05):
The quickest.

SPEAKER_00 (18:05):
Or you ever took to make a song.
I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 (18:09):
Were you in a studio that day in in Atlanta?

SPEAKER_01 (18:12):
What was that?

SPEAKER_03 (18:14):
Were we all with Tasha?
Were you in the street?

SPEAKER_01 (18:16):
Was that the the Red Studio?
No, that is.

SPEAKER_03 (18:19):
Not that one.
Did you go to the other one withthis, the Mud Knock Studios?

unknown (18:22):
No.

SPEAKER_03 (18:23):
I'm trying to remember who was there.
Oh, that oh, that was Simone.
Okay, so there was a sessionthat I had, and it was one of
the last sessions I had when Ilived in Atlanta.
And um, it was me pulling abunch of friends together like I
like I be doing.
She knows we always doing somecollaborative stuff, and I'm
like, come on, y'all, let's goto the studio.
And there's a song that I didcalled Why You Wanna, and I did

(18:44):
that in 10 minutes.
Ten minutes.
While everybody was on lunch, Ihad the hook already done.
And I was like, man, just canyou just play that?
Because everybody went to lunch,and I was still like, no, I need
to do something from fromscratch, 10 minutes?
10 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 (18:57):
You gotta break this down.

SPEAKER_03 (18:58):
10 minutes, but it okay, so here's the thing
not always like that because itdepends on the production.
I follow the production.
Um, I like to say that theproduction speaks to me.
So there are moments where I canwrite like this, and then there
are other times where thatshit'll take me, I'm sorry,
it'll take me days.

(19:18):
Like it will take me days.
Sometimes it'll take me a fewhours.
Like, it just depends on whatI'm trying to channel, what the
beat is saying, like all ofthat.
It it it all of that matters.
And for some reason, um, thiswas produced by my homeboy uh A
⁇ M and Yo Anatomy.
So it's two people who producedthis record, and it was like a
spin-off of Gypsy Woman andT.I.'s uh Why You Wanna.

(19:41):
And so I was already like, oh, Ilove this already.
And I was just playing, and thewords just came.
So when everybody came back fromlunch, I was like, Yo, y'all
gotta hear this.
I had already recorded the V.
I'm sorry, I got excited again,but I had already uh talked to
the engineer and we recorded thehook while they were at lunch,
and I'm like, Y'all, we ready?
Like, come on.
And as soon as they came back, Ihad writers in there too.

(20:02):
So as soon as they came back, weknocked that song out in less
than an hour.
The hook was already done, andwe just pieced it together and
made the song.
But that's one of my favoritesongs, and it's so fun.
And we weren't even, I wasn'tserious.
I didn't even think anything wasgonna come from it.
It just flowed, it just flowed.
And um, but yeah, it was the itwas the beat that did it.
It was just it made me feel sogood.

(20:23):
And I was like, let me play andjust see what that's like
because I don't play a lot.
I always take things.

SPEAKER_00 (20:28):
What do you mean play?

SPEAKER_03 (20:29):
Um, like just have fun, just say anything.
Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (20:32):
I thought you meant like instrument.

SPEAKER_03 (20:34):
Oh, no, no, no.
You call an instrument?
No, not not yet.
Not yet.

SPEAKER_00 (20:38):
What you learning?

SPEAKER_03 (20:38):
I'm learning the the keyboard because I want to learn
how to produce it.
So, okay, yeah.
So I'm I'm working on productionbecause literally like 95% of my
friendships and my relationshipsin the industry are all with
producers.
And they're like, why don't youknow how to do this on real?
Like, all you have to do is justsay something.
I'm like, yeah, but I'm I'm notgonna lie, I'm a little

(20:59):
intimidated by it a little bit.
But I do arrange production too.
Um, producing myself, like doingthe whole thing from top to
bottom by myself.
I'm not quite confident in thatyet, but really I know me and I
just need to do it.
I'm just not over the psychingmyself out yet.

SPEAKER_00 (21:16):
You don't seem like a woman who's not confident.

SPEAKER_03 (21:20):
Oh, thank you.
For real.

SPEAKER_00 (21:21):
Like you on the podcast, you you good.
Oh it's natural for you.
Thank you.
That that'll be easy for you.

SPEAKER_03 (21:27):
I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 (21:27):
I hope by the next time we talk, you make it
happen.

SPEAKER_03 (21:29):
Oh, we're gonna work on it.
But uh, but yeah, so it doesn'tit doesn't happen like that all
the time.
So that was the quickest.
It was like 10 minutes to makethe hook, less than an hour to
make the entire song.
Um the song that it took me thelongest to make.
Ooh, it's one called Fade It.

SPEAKER_00 (21:47):
Faded?

SPEAKER_03 (21:48):
Four years.

SPEAKER_00 (21:49):
Four years.

SPEAKER_03 (21:50):
Four years for me to absolutely finish the song and
record it properly and put itout into the world.
I just released it this year.

SPEAKER_00 (21:59):
So did

SPEAKER_03 (22:00):
Would the process like you did I like it or just
Oh it will it came from a veryhurt place and so it took me a
question related to this yeah soit took me some time to like I
did make the song like the nightof but I didn't like I was just
doing it to get my emotions outthe heartbreak yeah for sure for

(22:21):
sure you love a good heartbreaksong man listen My little night
that's what that was I was I hadI had a whole bottle of vodka to
myself my feelings it was anight and I yeah but I love that
song and now I can listen to itwithout cringing you really had
a whole bottle of vodka I didand it was the rock it was

(22:43):
during COVID like a big one itwas a big one oh a little
minimum no that's that's not aman a manless one break break
big broke big big big broke yeahso that was that was a hard one
to finish I it's funny andactually release but yeah it's
funny that you said that becauseI had a question coming up

(23:05):
related to that what's that doyou think you make better music
when you're heartbroken or inlove I think you make better
music when you're feelingsomething so I think it's equal
to heartbreak and love it's justa different emotion um but the
emphasis is on it on whatever itis so when you're in love

(23:26):
depends how strong the emotionis exactly so much emphasis when
you're in love you're like ohall the all the love and stuff
you know all the things all themust and it's like you feel that
you're like oh I'm about to makea song about you so yeah same
way with with heartbreak like ohI'm about to make a song about
you oh so it's like I got to getthis off me or you know feel it
or you know so I haven't heardyour whole catalog so what do

(23:49):
you have more of the love sideor the heartbreak side?
Oh that's interesting um I don'treally have do I have much
heartbreak I think I kind ofbounce around like all over the
place.
Um so I have heartbreak but Ialso have like fun stuff um
define the fun stuff so I haveso I put out in a mini EP I call

(24:13):
them my three piece EPs that Irelease every so often so every
few months you'll get a threepiece EP for me okay last year I
released one called Pop Shitlike that's the name of the EP
Why You Wanna that 10 minutesong is in there um there's one
called Who You Is that was superrandom that I did and that's a
fun fun song.

(24:34):
Now or are fun like party funlike Yeah like uh it's more it's
it's an anthem type of song umfor everybody everybody likes it
uh they call it they call it themoney the money music like
that's that money music um butlike you can when you hear it
you instantly want to dance youlike ooh I like this it's more
can I play that too?

(24:55):
Yeah it's like my anthem the oneanthem I have and I have it for
women so yeah it's pretty dope.

SPEAKER_00 (25:02):
I'm about to be a bad bitch right now is that what
you're saying?

SPEAKER_03 (25:04):
Yep all of it okay I'm including all the skin
shades too which one you saidit's called Who You Is.

SPEAKER_00 (25:10):
Who You Is like Iz or uh IS IS fully spelled out so
who you is I see one featuring acouple other people and then one
just with you actually I'll letyou let's see oh no that's the
right one those are just theproducers oh okay yeah tell them

(25:33):
who you want to eat I think it'stime I pop my shit light skin
brown skin chocolate the onewith them big old hips and them
lips everybody wanna get everyday ice take your shit it ain't
nothing but a thing oh tell themwho I is yeah yeah I like that

(25:56):
yeah I was over there jamming Isuck it I was like how to get
you feeling that was a fun onelike that yeah but it's not it's
not too much it's not excessiveyeah it's like kind of chill at
the same time tell them who I isyou know I got a little you know
a little a little bounce with myuh my pop song I like to call it
like pop soul if you catch melisten to that in the car mind

(26:19):
your business everybody shouldbe listening to it if it's okay
I'll turn it on with todaystarted I got uh I I I got some
some ladies on the playlist hereand there okay it'd be like that
sometimes it'd be like thatsometimes yeah balance balance
exactly listen my car tinted tooso I don't see in there I've
been I've been there going crazyI love it oh oh oh oh the next

(26:48):
topic let's go the link betweendating slash relationships and
music so we had a littlequestion just now you know
talking about like heartbreak orbeing in love how it affects the
music whatnot um how has beingan artist impacted your love
life ooh we um she waited onanswer it's been interesting you

(27:17):
don't gotta give exact detailsjust the overall yeah yeah yeah
it's cool I I would just say ittakes a special uh a very very
special human to be in arelationship with a creative
that also turned theircreativity into a business um it

(27:39):
takes a very very special personto be a part of that um that is
not for everyone it is not it isnot for everyone it takes a lot
right and it's and that's noteven just being a singer or an
artist like that's across theboard when you have something
that's so unconventional or sounorthodox that people don't

(28:00):
understand and it uses adifferent part of your brain and
then you're so invested in itand you spend so much time away
to take care of it and you haveto do these things to keep it
going because this is now abusiness for you that you're
seeing through you now have lifegoals for this it changes
things.

SPEAKER_03 (28:17):
So yeah it definitely takes someone um a
very very special individualjust to have the understanding
and to create that safe spacefor you to be able to be you
right and not take away not feellike they have to be in
competition with your creativityin your relationship.
It's completely different.

SPEAKER_00 (28:36):
Okay so yeah so I don't know your relationship
status you don't have to say itbut it sounds like the biggest
thing in the past was just kindof having someone who just
understands your lifestyle umunderstands what you do.
Yeah which I definitely feel youbecause I'm in the same boat um
even you know right now I'm awayfrom home um working but it's

(28:59):
hard for a lot of people tounderstand that like oh why are
you in LA for a week you knowmight not make sense but um I
mean has there been anypositives with it?
Like do you has there ever beenlike you know a man might be
more attracted to you?

SPEAKER_03 (29:16):
Um okay so a couple things a couple things uh I am
single but I'm dating I amdating right now um so there's
that also another thing um Ihave not dated men in quite some
time so okay okay we we can getinto that too yeah we could

(29:37):
definitely can I'm completelyopen to all that so actually
matter of fact we're gonna getinto it right now let's do it
because it sounds like you weredating men and then you went to
women yeah well I've always beenum I've always been bi so that's
just been my my entire life bi Iwas into the poly thing for a
while but no one seems to dothat right it just it's a nice
idea that doesn't really it'snot really gonna be so what do

(29:59):
you prefer but um I exclusivelydate women now that now I would
say past seven years.

SPEAKER_00 (30:06):
Okay so it's been some time yeah just exclusively
okay so you prefer women yeahokay uh yep well you can get it
this wasn't part this was a planbut we can get into it it's it's
real with all the music it'svery common now it's very common
yeah so so was it somethingwhere you just got tired of men

(30:26):
and you made the switch or youwere just always open to so I I
like this question because nonot at all okay I still I still
see an attractive man you knowy'all still do your thing I
still love y'all dearly I doit's just not for me anymore.

SPEAKER_03 (30:42):
Okay um on an emotional level on every level
okay I just that's just what itis um but I don't have any
malice I haven't been hurt somany times or I don't like men
and it's nothing like that.
I just don't I just don't wantthat anymore.
The song faded that was about awoman that was about a man so we
getting we're going we're goingback that was about a man but I

(31:06):
did write it at a later time soit was just Oh he hurt you it
was my you already moved on towomen and wrote the song about a
man.
Something like that.
Oh he didn't discover it becausewhat we in 2026 uh that was like
2018 2019 so I'm I'm dating itright yeah because I said
exclusively like about sevenyears yeah about seven years

(31:28):
okay so but yeah okay I actuallyI have uh a best friend of mine
she was the same way um kind ofjumped from men to women
couldn't figure out which oneshe wanted more now she's
exclusively women gotcha andthat's always my biggest
question is like because youknow a lot of women now they're
like you know they're they'reover men yeah and they want to

(31:51):
try sex a lot of men are overwomen you know we won't get into
the whole battle the sex orwhatever because it's too much
but I've always I've always beencurious like how people make
that transition.
You know I'm just gonna say thisright and this is this is to my
fams y'all know who I'm talkingabout right I need y'all to stop
jumping over to women justbecause you're mad at your

(32:11):
relationship with men or yourencounters with men that's not
okay because you're not gonnacome over here and bother us.
Because it's not what you want.
You just want to try somethingdifferent or you're just hurt or
you just like I'm done with themlet me try somebody else and
then you end up coming over hereand messing up somebody else's
whole thing that they got goingon and they life and they mental
and all the things um and then Icome along and I have to clean

(32:35):
up the mess because just sayinglike the women that I've dated
recently have run into womenlike that.
So when they run into me theythink that I'm that way and I'm
like no baby I'm really like awhole lesbian love.
Come here like I'm not I'm noton that.
You know what I'm saying?
Like I'm not over here trying tofind a a woman that acts like a

(32:58):
man or looks like a man or cangive me what this man couldn't
like it's a lot of thathappening right now and it's so
it's not okay.
So we're like don't bring thatover here baby just go heal.
Go heal.
If he hurts you go heal that'swhat you need to do.

SPEAKER_00 (33:10):
It's funny how that only really applies to women
because for men like you know ifif we don't roll like that and
we get over women we're not likeoh we're gonna go to men we
don't operate like that.
Right.
And if you do you you operatelike that.
You've been operating like that.
You've been operating like that.

SPEAKER_03 (33:28):
Yeah but with women it's like they just let me try
something else like I don't likethat.
I don't like that and we get alot of that it really sucks.
I understand because they reallydon't get down like that.
You understand a little so theydon't but yeah okay yeah um
that's my channel thought realquick.

SPEAKER_00 (33:41):
No we good relationships and um so you were
explaining like um before howsomeone has to be understanding
and accepting what you do.
So what would you say this couldbe kind of general or it could
be personal for you.
Like what is your ideal romanticmatch as far as like who you are

(34:03):
as a creative and a singer um asfar as like what that person
does and who they are like whatwould be an ideal match with
that oh the number one thing isthat they just have to they have
to know who they are and whatand who they are in their
greatness and in theirconfidence they have to be
secure in themselves.

SPEAKER_03 (34:24):
It has to start there.
If that is non-existent it's notgonna work okay I've trial and
error too many times like theyhave to have their own thing
their own dreams aspirationsgoals things that they're
actively working through uh orworking towards um they have to
love themselves in a way wherethey're not insecure like you

(34:46):
know what I'm saying?
So yeah that's the biggest thingfor me.
Have your own thing be in yourown greatness you you're
chilling over here you're not incompetition with what I got
going on or wanting me to stopwhat I'm doing type of thing.
And that usually comes frompeople who don't have those
things or they're not pursuingor they're living a life that
they really don't want to live.

(35:06):
They're living it for someoneelse and then they secretly feel
a way about people who we'rejust no matter what the risks
are we are living the way thatwe want to live oh hold on Miss
Sherelle what's the mostembarrassing moment you've ever
had as a singer oh my God I'vehad two one was on stage um I

(35:38):
want to say back in 2006 2007 Iwas still in high school and I
was doing shows all the time Idid plays all the time I do all
these things all the time andfor some reason I was in a
showcase uh in VallejoCalifornia and there were like

(36:00):
300 people there and I don'tknow what happened just no words
came out no words came out and Iyes always okay but that's all I
was like girl you do this allthe time what is going on I
don't know what happened I hadno idea what happened just froze

(36:21):
completely and then I was justsweating and then I couldn't
catch the words and they kepttrying to start it over they was
trying to help me and it was alot and I just couldn't do it.
And then I was sweating so badand then my weave was like the
curls and dropped because Ihadn't sweated from the weave
and the scalp it was a lot goingon.
I don't know so I just I justwalked off the stage yeah I left
oh I left I was like okay Ican't I don't even I'm out I'm

(36:46):
out y'all I couldn't even have agood night what's my time was
were there other peopleperforming or just you no it was
a few of us because they theydid smaller showcases around the
Bay Area and they picked peoplefrom different cities to do this
big one and there were only likeseven of us and we had a packed

(37:08):
house it was like waiting onyou.
Yeah because I had already won acompetition to be a part of this
one like that was so they knew Icould sing.
That's everybody was like whatthe what's wrong with you?
What is wrong?
I don't know.
I don't know do you ever figureout what happened or you don't
know to this day you just gotstaged for I blacked it out
until I saw that question and Iwas like oh I'll never forget

(37:28):
that that's that did happen.
That did happen.
So so what you said there was asecond time something oh yeah it
was a second time I had theopportunity to work with a major
artist and completely froze upin the studio.
Oh in the studio in the studiohe was flown out to the Bay Area
because he worked with um aproducer from my area a lot a

(37:52):
lot a lot and they called me init was like hey we got such and
such like come on you need toget on record he's looking for
hooks right now he got this oneand I was like okay cool and I
heard it they sent it to mebefore and I was like all right
I could do this and when I wasin the Bay Area when I started
making music like somewhatprofessionally and recording and

(38:14):
working with other artists I wasthe hook singer so I was always
brought in to do hooks andthings like that.
So again this is something Ialways do and they didn't tell
me who it was initially then Igot to the studio and they told
me who I was making this songfor and I was like are you
allowed to say it I'm rather notI'll tell you off camera.
Okay off camera off camera staytuned for the bonus content

(38:35):
major rapper yeah major majorrapper he's from the south and
yeah I completely blew it Idon't know what happened I just
like couldn't I just couldn't Idid stuff well was it the same I
did stuff kind of stage frightum back in high school or was it
like a star struck it was Idon't know what it was because
I'm like I'm in here but like Icouldn't get the hook together

(38:58):
it just didn't make sense I waslike second guessing myself I I
was acting as if I had neverdone this before like I had
never done this before like Ihad never written a hook before
I had never come in there withmelodies before I had never
worked with anybody before itwas so so you just have as an
artist you just have days whenyou're off I mean you have off
days yeah I have off days allthe time but not like though

(39:22):
those two instances that wasthose have never happened to me
again not on stage and not inthe studio.

SPEAKER_00 (39:28):
Was he like I'm I ain't doing this again he was
just like man I let her you knowdo whatever she needs to do like
I'm gonna step out you feel meand he ended up leaving and
going to do other things he hadto go do other things and it was
like if you got something coolif not we just gonna have to
find somebody else or I'm gonnago a different route he ended up
going a different he didn't getanother singer he ended up

(39:50):
singing it him himself but hedid he's a rapper who kind of
rocked his own hooks anyway butbecause of his relationship with
that producer he was like nahlet's get Shrill on that so and
that probably really would shotme up there real quick real
quick but yeah I couldn't do itthe it just didn't come out good

(40:11):
at all so a follow-up questionwith that like when you have a
moment like that where you knowbig name and your name gets get
gets attached to it like how howdoes that process process work
with like blowing up um does itopen opportunities to new deals
new um collaborations like youmean like when somebody co-signs

(40:34):
for you or like yeah or you justyou're featured on something and
then you know people hear yourname oh like what like what's
the process with that?

SPEAKER_03 (40:41):
I mean that's that's always great.
It's always great when you'reworking it's always great when
you get the opportunity to workwith someone that has a a bigger
name than yours so to speak.
All those things help.
It also helps for your resume umI like to call mine like my
digital resume and people can golook me up they can see the
people that I've worked withlike all those things it does
matter.
It it matters I mean it's like aa word of mouth kind of job you

(41:05):
know what I'm saying so it justgets around that oh she can do
this she does that let me callher and let's see if she's
available for this kind ofthing.
So that's really how it works inthe music industry and in music
business.
It's all relationships to behonest with you so it's
relationships it's who you knowthen what you do and how well
you can do it and all thosethings then availability and
then it goes from there but it'san industry industry I'm still

(41:29):
trying to learn to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 (41:31):
Good luck.
I'm not we try and learn itevery day it's just every day
it's more sort of curiosity I'mnot necessarily trying to be in
it.
I do want to learn an instrumentmaybe a couple let's go because
I come from a musically talentedfamily.
I just I don't know I just I Ilove music I I I listen to music

(41:54):
every single day we play youfound me listening to music I
have so much love for it I justnever actually done it so I'm
always curious how the industryworks like we were talking about
earlier like how like man thisperson was great what happened
so but I always hear you knowsling to the industry.

SPEAKER_01 (42:10):
Yeah that part that part shadowy muddy part over
there yeah now do you both havean end goal with this you just
created for the love of it likewhat um you're some of your
goals oh sure um primarilybecause I've been at it a a long
time very seasoned um primarilyreally for the love of the

(42:32):
creation but ideally just toprovide a comfortable life for
myself doing that like I stillgot the nine to five gig right
now um but that's won't changeit's crazy economy out here so
it is but being able to you knowprovide not even be greedy just
provide for myself comfortablywith what I create and what I'm

(42:52):
passionate about.

SPEAKER_00 (42:54):
That's the best thing is coming from passion.
Yep that's it and not chasingthe wrong things.
Absolutely okay what about you?

SPEAKER_03 (43:00):
Um for me I want to do as much as I can possibly do
with music and make an impact onas many people as I possibly can
I am an artist and all thosethings love the creation of it
that's why I still make it rightbut I also do things like the
writing camps and the writingretreats and those I'm I'm big

(43:23):
on collaboration.
I'm big on connecting peoplethat's what I do all day.
So I'm usually on the phone likesomeone will call me be like
Sheryl do you know who does suchand such and I was like let me
get back to you but I'm prettysure I know somebody can do that
for you.
Let me connect them make sureit's good for me to give the
information like that's what Ido all the time.
So my goal is just to continueto make an impact um in front

(43:45):
behind the scenes like all of itbut to be able to do that and
make a life out of it and aliving out of it.
Because right now it's all outof love.
Love is great but it's notpaying my bills and I got these
kids, y'all I have three.

SPEAKER_00 (44:01):
Oh wow, good for you.

SPEAKER_03 (44:02):
Thank you.
Um, I have three.
One's almost on his way out, soI'm getting ready for that this
year.
But um, but yeah, like I believein putting the time in and the
money will come.
Like, I will.
I mean it it will, but it wouldbe nice if it was sooner than
later.
But the end goal is just to bein this and just to impact
people.
Um, I've always known that musicis just an outlet and a way for

(44:25):
me to reach people, but it maynot necessarily be my full
purpose in its entirety.
So, but people are so in any waythat I can reach them, that I
can make an impact on them, thatis really the ultimate goal.
And again, still be able to takecare of my family while doing
it.
You know what I'm saying?
You know, all that thing.

SPEAKER_00 (44:43):
But yeah, I mean definitely keep going, both of
you.
Um, you know, as creatives, it'snot easy.
Yeah, especially when you'redoing it strictly out of love.
You know, the the money don'tcome from it.
But you know, it sounds likey'all both have your head on
straight as far as you know, thereason for doing it, making a
difference, uh, reaching people.
Hopefully this podcast helpsreach more people.

(45:05):
Thank you.
Um you know, that's like I said,off-camera, like, you know, we
try to do more stuff like this,um, connect more, because
especially with music, likethere's so many voices to be
heard.
Oh, yeah.
Um, you know, I I'm I'm justhearing your voice for the first
well, besides my research beforethis.
But you know, even hearing yourvoice in person now, I'm like,

(45:26):
you know, I'm a fan now.
So um, you know, I definitelywant to see it keep going, keep
exploring.
You never know.
Just like you had that moment,you know, it could be one moment
where you just it takes off.
Yeah.
But now you're ready.

SPEAKER_03 (45:38):
I'm ready.
I'm ready.
I've been ready for a while now.
You know, now I can get on stageand be like, what we doing?
I'm ready to go because I'mready.
Like, I love that by the way.
That that's a new developmentthat's only happened within like
the last two years that I'vebeen doing shows and I could
just get up there and I'm notnervous anymore.
Like it just feels so I actuallyhave a question.

SPEAKER_00 (45:57):
What's up?
Because I'm I'm about to getinto that.
What's good?
Probably in the next couplemonths.

SPEAKER_02 (46:03):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (46:04):
Never really been on stage before.
Okay.
Um, I'm excited for it.

SPEAKER_02 (46:08):
Good.

SPEAKER_00 (46:09):
But it's kind of like how you mentioned with the
stage fright.
Like, how do you what whatrecommendations would you give
to just look past it and justperform?

SPEAKER_03 (46:19):
Um, well, in what way are you getting on stage?

SPEAKER_00 (46:22):
Uh doing live podcasts, um entertaining.
Gotcha.
Um, kind of creating anenvironment to where I you ever
seen like a comedy stand-up?
Yeah.
Like I'm not gonna do comedylike that, but kind of like
interacting with people withpeople to um, you know, kind of
be the host entertainment, likehow we're talking now, but doing

(46:44):
it in a crowd setting.

SPEAKER_03 (46:46):
Oh, I mean, it's the same thing.
It's just they're in front ofyou versus being you not being
able to see them.
But it's the same exact people.
So you just think of it as, oh,these are my people, they're
already in the crowd.
Like, hey, what's up, y'all?
Y'all here all the time.
Like, high vibes.
Like all the things, but no, forreal, like those those are your
people.
So if you think of it that way,like everybody in this crowd,

(47:08):
these are my people.
Like these are my cousins, thisis family, that's my homie over
there.
Like, they've been listening,they've been tuned in.
That helps.
It I well, I feel like thatwould help you a lot because
it's like there's not there'snot a stranger in the room.
They know what you do already,they're there because of you and
who you are and your platformalready.
That's half the battle isgetting them there.

(47:28):
But the fact that they're comingon their own and they're coming
off of the strength of you andtheir you know, experience with
the podcast and how it made themfeel and all those things, you
can just get up there andliterally be you.
There's no pressure.

SPEAKER_00 (47:40):
We chilling.
Yeah, put some good music on, wechilling.

SPEAKER_03 (47:43):
That part.
Okay, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (47:45):
Like I said, I was just curious.
Um, anything we'll wrap up in asec.
Anything y'all want to promote,share?
Um, anything you got going onnext?

SPEAKER_03 (47:54):
Um, yeah.
So I just I just released asingle.
I released a single lastSaturday.
It's called Saturday Night.
Um, so I am a singer with bars.
So I rap and do all those thingsas well.
And that record is one of myfavorite records that have ever
come about, and it is awonderful record, and we're

(48:15):
getting a wonderful responsefrom it.
So I would love for y'all to gocheck that out.
It's everywhere.
Yes, called Saturday NightsNYTE.
Okay, we had to be extraspecial.
And why yes, make it easier fory'all to find it too.
I think there's only three songsall over streaming that have
that spelling, so you can justfind us.
So I did that for a little cheatcode.

(48:35):
Yes, you know what I'm saying.
SEO, SEO.
Yes, yes, yes.
Add a little extra.
Um, but yeah, so that's what Ihave going on right now.
Um, I also host a writing campin LA every third Saturday of
the month.
So if that's something you'reinterested in, musicians,
producers, songwriters, singers,rappers, all of that, we get
together, we create.
Um, I get to get in my executiveproduction bag and my vocal

(48:59):
production bag for that.
We work with different syncsupervisors and things like
that, and we build amazing workand catalogs and send those off.
So yeah, I'd love to have we'vewe've had an amazing, amazing
groups every time that I've doneit.
So it's been three times thisyear, and they've been
incredible every every time.
The music's gotten better, thevibes with the people have

(49:21):
gotten better.
They've never worked togetherbefore.
A lot of them I've never workedwith before, and it's just a
beautiful thing.
So I love it.
Come out and see us.
Beautiful.
Yeah, come work with us.

SPEAKER_00 (49:30):
If I'm here, I'm a why not?
Come on.
Why not?
Why not love it?

SPEAKER_03 (49:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (49:36):
Um, you still want to showcase that talent or wrap
it up?
You don't have to.

SPEAKER_03 (49:39):
Um, because you said you wanted me to do like a
popular song or something.
Uh what that was.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (49:45):
Just if you feel like using your voice tonight.
It's completely up to you.
It's no pressure.

SPEAKER_03 (49:52):
You like La Toya Luckett?

SPEAKER_00 (49:54):
You gotta put me on again.
What?
I'm a little younger, so it's Ohno, that's no excuse.

SPEAKER_03 (49:59):
I'll be listening to all types of music that we're
gonna do.

SPEAKER_00 (50:01):
Right, you're right, you're right.
I'll listen to everything.
Um Are you gonna sing her?

SPEAKER_03 (50:06):
I think so.
Who was what was we looking?
What was we listening to in thecar?
Regret.
Regret.

SPEAKER_00 (50:12):
Um, do I need to put on like an instrumental?

SPEAKER_03 (50:16):
No, because I'm just gonna do a little bit if I can
remember the words.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (50:19):
Oh, you oh, oh you okay.
Let me sit back, relax then.
Yeah, because let me justlisten.

SPEAKER_03 (50:24):
Oh, you didn't want me to sing because we don't have
to.
I could just play a song.
Is that what you wanted me todo?

SPEAKER_00 (50:28):
You could sing a little bit.
We could we could sing a littlebit to end this off.

SPEAKER_03 (50:32):
Okay, what'd she say?
She was like, uh I close myeyes.

SPEAKER_00 (50:37):
I won't.

SPEAKER_02 (50:37):
I made you cool.

SPEAKER_03 (50:40):
You were not dude until I started fucking with
you.

SPEAKER_02 (50:48):
Gave you swag and a duffel bag.
You left the best you had.
Why you wanna act like that?
Yeah.
You must regret the day that youlove me.
You must regret the day that youlove me.

(51:08):
Still tryna get back.
Still tryna get back back withme.
Oh.

SPEAKER_03 (51:16):
Still tryna get back.
Something like that.

SPEAKER_01 (51:20):
It's her.
Let's go sleep.

SPEAKER_00 (51:22):
Sound good, girl.
Yeah, God.
Hold on.
No, that was beautiful.
Listen, we'll mix and master itfor you, make it real.

SPEAKER_03 (51:33):
But yes, you should listen to La Toy Lucky.
She just did uh Did you watchthe verses then with Tank and
Tyree?

SPEAKER_00 (51:39):
I saw the clips.
I I forgot what I was doing thatnight.

SPEAKER_03 (51:42):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (51:42):
I saw the clips, though.

SPEAKER_03 (51:43):
You gotta go back and watch it.
Turtle knit.

unknown (51:46):
Turtle knit.

SPEAKER_03 (51:48):
And then they they're supposed to be taking it
on the road or something isgoing on.
They are.
They are.
I thought that was hilarious.
Uh no, Tank and Tyrese.
They're taking their whole thingon the show.
Yeah.
They're doing the whole thing,yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (52:00):
Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_03 (52:00):
Yeah, but um, so Tank wrote that song for LaToya
Lucky.
And so she got to perform onversus Yeah.
I believe it was Regrets, yeah.
She performed.

SPEAKER_01 (52:11):
His writer bag is the man, Tank's writer bag.
I didn't know that.
Tank is one of my favorites everin the world.
I like Tank.
I like Tank.

SPEAKER_03 (52:16):
But yeah, listen to LaToya Lucky.
I'm gonna listen to Lato bag.
Listen, how are you gonna put meon?
All that good stuff.
Do you listen to Solange?
I'm gonna give you a list.
It's okay.

SPEAKER_00 (52:26):
Just just part of the next one.
Give me the list.
Give me my homework.
We're gonna get it right.
Don't worry.

SPEAKER_03 (52:31):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (52:32):
But yeah, for real.
Appreciate y'all coming on.
This was fun.
This is uh day one in LA.
Hopped off the plane straight tothe studio.

SPEAKER_03 (52:38):
Man, gotta get to work.

SPEAKER_00 (52:39):
Gotta get to work.
So you're the first one.
Um, but it's been great.

unknown (52:43):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 (52:43):
Set the bar high.
Thank you.
Set the bar real high.
Oh, wow.
I'm gonna do a little feedbackafter all this.
Be like, how was my LAexperience?
Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 (52:50):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 (52:51):
So far you're in first place.

SPEAKER_03 (52:52):
Appreciate you.
That's a beautiful thing.

SPEAKER_00 (52:54):
Of course.

SPEAKER_03 (52:55):
Yeah.
Of course.
Thank you for having me.
And my sister.

SPEAKER_01 (52:58):
Yeah, me too.
Thank you for letting me.

SPEAKER_00 (53:04):
There we go.

SPEAKER_04 (53:06):
Birthday vibes, you know all the things?

SPEAKER_00 (53:08):
Yeah, big bully gang.
Much love.
Appreciate y'all tuning in.
Go follow, subscribe, YouTube,Apple Podcasts, Spotify, TikTok,
IG, Facebook.
Did I miss any Patreon, thebonus content, all that good
stuff.
You know what I'm saying?
The vibes are always immaculate.
So appreciate you.
Have a great week, a greatmonth, a great year.
Let's do that.

(53:28):
And all the above.
All of the things.
One more time.