Aliens, Energy & Jesse’s Humiliating Defeat

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I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse we're.
Cannabis school having cannabis infused conversations with
everyday. People.
Cannabis companies. Celebrities.
And your mom? Welcome to the sesh.
Wonderful guess. A very good friend of mine from
long ago when we were just tiny tots and she kicked my ass all

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the time and she was so awesome.Amber, welcome to the show.
We're so happy to have you here now.
I was telling Brandon all about you.
I'm just excited you kicked his ass.
I think that's fucking hilarious.
Like how old was the last time you think you like you guys when
you beat his ass? When was that?

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Was that senior year? No.
Was it? No, it was senior.
Year it was after senior year, we were, I was friends with your
sister. I was hanging out with her in
the backyard and and you were the tough guy that wanted to
like show off a little. Bit yeah, I was probably
flirting, I could say. Yeah, you were.
You came out, I think we were ona trampoline or something.

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You're like, look at these moves.
I just learned doing all your martial art moves.
And I was like, what? You mean like this?
She did it and I was. Like I worked in.
It. Yeah, yeah.
But it was you know what, though?
She's just this is the craziest thing.
And and as time goes, we know that we have these connections
with people, super strong connections like ours, dude.

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Like, I mean, yeah, we've been great, great friends.
Yeah. And now, you know, I mean,
through family and all that stuff are connected.
But there was something pulling at me and Amber and I have been
connections on Facebook for years.
And she laughs at my memes because it's literally all I
post. And then she always had these,
like, very inspirational. Very very energetic, very just

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moving posts always about concerned about others.
And I just had this thought and I'm like, I gotta reach out to
her. And she was feeling the exact
same thing. Yeah, I was like just hanging
around. We haven't seen each other for a
long time. We're kind of in the same vibe,
thought process, so. So I I am you.
You have had a tumultuous past, and I don't want to go too far

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into that unless you're comfortable with it.
But you know, the I I just fascinated by your journey.
Now you have a, you have a few kids.
A few. How many kids you got?
I have seven kids. Seven kids.
Yeah, how old your oldest? 28 turning 29 this year.

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Dang I'm 46, I started young. Hey, 16.
Some of us are just overachievers.
You know, he's very active. Very active.
In one hey. You know what?
Kicking ass, but yeah. That's awesome.
That's funny. Yeah.
Kicking. Ass and kicking something?
Yeah, get kicked. Gettin ass.

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So that's OK. I mean, it is Utah.
I was 22 when I had my first kid.
Yeah. So.
I was 28. Wow, yeah.
You're old for Utah. You're old. 28 by the time I had
my last child. Oh my gosh, yeah.
My first was being. My first was born.
What at that? Time was the decision, like did
you want, like was it a planned #7?

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None of them are planned. But none of them.
No, just. Blessings.
But sometimes it sometimes you're not like planning it, but
it's not like not plan. Yeah.
It's not like you're trying to avoid it.
Yeah. Please Sir, take that penis away
from me. I'm full.
Well, it's one of those things Ihad in mind set of like, how do

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I describe this? Like I was, I was pretty
responsible the older I got. Obviously I had to grow up
really quickly when I was young,having a baby when you're 16.
I placed him for adoption and then I ended up getting back
together with the same dad. And then we had another child

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and I placed her for adoption with the same family.
And we'll have to talk about herat some point.
Yeah, go. But when I placed them for
adoption, I had to grow up really quickly and I really
started to learn like what was really important.
And it shifted my mindset very dramatically.

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And so even though I didn't makethe smartest decisions after the
fact, it's like I having more kids wasn't something that I was
like, I'm going to replenish theearth with all of my seed. 7.
It's not that many, really. I mean I.
Mean I'm married, 1/2 tongue in so yeah, yeah.

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True. Yeah.
Small families. That's a small family.
Right. Like, oh, that's cute, that
little family moved. In right.
Brock, that was. Like #13 of 13 kids or
something, so. Yeah, I see that.
That's a really large family. Yeah.
That is. But I will tell you this, like
as far as kids go, some people are like, I want to have one or

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two kids, which is cool. Some some people aren't just
made to be a parent that. Yeah.
Hovers around their kids all thetime and whatnot.
I was one of those people that that was part of like who I'm
made to be. But I'm like one of those people
that I love to like be a mom to everybody.

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I know that probably sounds really annoying, but I love to
love people and nurture them andinspire them and like encourage
them to be the best versions of themselves because that's why
you learned along the process ofall of this.
So having kids, it's like when you have more than three kids,
they kind of just start taking care of each other unless you

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train them to be like fighting each other.
But they didn't. I was very conscious of like,
welcoming my kids into each other's lives, for instance,
like I would give birth to my children at home without, you
know, naturally and everything. Would you have a doula or like?
Did you just do just me? Well, let me rephrase that.
My first kids I did have at home, or, excuse me, in the

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hospital with a midwife. One of them I had in a driveway.
Wow. By accident.
What kind of car? Corolla.
Nice. Yeah, actually was literally on
the driveway. She literally fell on the
cement. It's like one of those shows,
those 911 shows. Did they put out a tarp or like?

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No, no, no. Just gotta go.
Like, let's tell this story. So this does.
Yeah, no, it doesn't sound horrible.
It sounds like one of those shows you'd see on Lifetime.
Yeah. And there you were, born in the
driveway. And it's like raining moments.
It's your life. That's how it happened.
This is really interesting too, because who what the child that
this was? Her name is Alexandria.

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She was my second, second child.She's the one that I placed for
adoption with her brother. So I was living at home with my
parents. I started labor early hours of
the morning, maybe 3:00 in the morning or so.
And I grew up an athlete. So I give birth like an athlete,
right? I'm like, let's do this, Let's

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go. Yeah, wrist straps.
No. Sweatband.
No Fear, just like. Let's do it.
Yeah, get my weight belt. You have like the Eye of the
Tiger playlist. Birthing playlist.
There you go, it is. Surprise, like actually giving
birth requires a tremendous amount of relaxation and and

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like easing into trusting the process.
To adjust your. Body.
I knew exactly how to do it withmy body because I was familiar
with like being an athlete. I knew my body and I was very
confident in myself to give birth for some reason.
So anyway, Long story short, my dad, he used to take sleeping

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pills at night. And he was the kind of person
that was like very, shall we say, like aggressive.
So when you'd wake him up, he's like swinging at you, right?
So I didn't want to wake him up right away.
Sounds. Labor and I want him to be like,
what's whack? It's happened numerous times.

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But anyway, Long story short, I ended up taking almost an hour
to get up the stairs and I gave birth to her in an hour and a
half. Oh my God.
And he was trying to say like hewas kind of in a dizzy state and
everything waking up. So he's physically trying to
push me out the door and I was in transition.

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And when you're in transition, it's like the most intense part
of the labor where you're not even in your head thinking
logical thoughts. Every pain is just taken over.
It's the pain, but it's also like the feeling of like it.
It's very instinctual. It's like you're not in your
thoughts the. Body takes over autopilot.

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And I'm also extremely spiritual, so I had a lot of
like trust in whatever's going to happen, it's going to happen
kind of thing. And I just kind of followed my
guidance. So anyway, he's like pushing me
outside. There's maybe one or two inches
of snow on the grass and I'm looking at it from the front
door while he's pushing me out. And I'm like, OK, I can have her

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there if I need to, if I can't get to the car and he can't say
no to my dad, right? So I'm like, OK, we're going
outside. I'm she's in my pelvis.
Oh, I'm trying to waddle down the stairs a little bit.
Yeah, I could imagine that. Just pressure.
Right. And then I finally get to the

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car. I can't even get inside of it
because I'm contraction on top of contraction and she's in my
pelvis so I can't even sit right.
So my dad's trying to push me inthe car and he's trying to help,
He's trying to be helpful, but he's not.
And I have to face towards the back of the car in the front

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seat with my knees, one knee on the seat.
And I couldn't even like put my other knee inside.
So I had my left leg outside of the car.
The door was partially open. He's trying to shut the door on
my leg like wait a second. So anyway, I'm wearing like like
a gown like that maybe went to my mid fires or excuse me, my

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mid calf. And I'm thinking in my mind like
I'm not thinking. I'm just like in myself, in my
mind processing. If I just let her head come out,
then I can like reach down and grab her.
So I just relax my pelvis and myperineum.

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And it's not just her head that comes out.
She comes out. Well, it was like a pop, pop,
pop, pop and then slither. Like, Oh my God.
That's. Really weird, but and then she
ended up like landing on the seat and then sliding down my
leg and then my left leg and then ended up on the driveway,

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on the floor, on the ground. Oh my goodness.
And my dad's night blind, but hehappened to see her for some
reason. So he picks her up.
I had a long enough umbilical cord that it didn't, like, tear
the placenta from my uterine wall.
Otherwise it could have bled to death.
Yeah. And then I had to stop my dad

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and say, hand me my daughter. So he's like, oh, hands her to
me. And then I'm like, walking
inside the house. This is in February.
She was born on the 28th. Oh, wow.
And then I walk in the front door and my brother, you know,
Dan, he's like scared of period blood, right?

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It's like mixed did. He pass out.
There's like a few drops of blood on the tile in the front
entryway of my house. My dad yelled at him to go and
mop that up. So he's at the front door, wide
eyed, mopping up a few drops of blood and looking at me carrying
in a baby and he's like, what ishappening here?

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Yeah, that's crazy. And then I ended up on my
parents bed. Paramedics came, there was like
6 new paramedics or something where they were just fresh.
They they like they've not they're so.
Mean. They end up looking like your
brother. And they're all men and I'm 16.

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I'm inexperienced with having people yeah me like that.
So I'm on my parents bed and themain paramedic is trying to
explain things pointing to basically my body spread legs
and and they're like all their looks on their face were like
what in the world is happening? Oh my.

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Gosh, so it was really kind of embarrassing, but we all kind of
laugh about it now anyway. That daughter, she ended up
playing in the Olympics last year and won won a bronze medal
for Team USA Rugby. That's amazing.
Yeah, so we make jokes about her, like she's just anxious to

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get out and come into the world and do her thing.
Absolutely, Yeah. Yeah, I can see that because I I
saw one of her plays that she did.
I was just like. The play the.
Play. Yeah, that's a hell of a story,
Yeah. It's just so crazy, yeah.
Yeah. So did you have all the rest of
them at home then passed? That I had, let's see, my last

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two at home in a bathtub. Just me and my ex-husband.
Wow. And the other ones at the
hospital, yeah. I had a friend with that.
One in one in a like emergent arena like tiny.
Were they preemie? Yeah.
Oh, no, not preemie. What do you call it?
Like a checkup room. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah. Jeez, but.
Yeah, and that's just childhood.Yeah.
So how did we even get on that subject?
Doesn't matter and. Start talking about but.
We were going over there and yousaid you had, you had, yeah, you
had your child in the in the driveway.
And then we kind of went from there because we're just like,
what? Yeah.

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That's so crazy. So then after that, you had all
your other kids. Yeah.
And. And how old's the youngest?
She's turning 18 in a couple months.
Wow. So you have a 10 year gap
between your kids? No, it was like they're all like
2 years to a year and a half apart.

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So yeah, one after another. Yeah, yeah.
But you said your oldest is 28 and then 10 or 18 so.
Yeah. Are you asking me to math right
now? No.
We were at the. Same school.
Why would I ask you that? I was good at math.
I don't want to do it anymore. I always hated math, but I was
good at it. I just never liked it.

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Oh, I love it. I loved it then.
But. I've never been math.
I'm I'm horrible with. Math.
You've never been math. Never been math.
You. Were the character at.
School. You're the character.
A little bit. Yeah, Charismatic and energetic.
Enthusiastic. Yeah, I always had a smile.

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Smiles with his face and his eyes.
Yeah, my eyes, it's over there because that's how I was like,
yeah, guys, it's not just because I smoke cannabis.
Yeah, because back then I don't think you were.
Now my eyes are slanted though. Anyways, like I was.
I was telling you about my friend Danny who passed away.
Yeah, and I'll show you a picture later on because it's
funny as we look almost identical.

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The only reason why we look different is because he's a
little bit taller than me and a little bit better looking.
And so he, he was like, every time we go out, people like,
hey, who's this guy? And they go, he's my brother.
They go, they go, Oh yeah, you guys look alike.
And I had like the worst pigeon accent.
We'd go out. He, he, he was from Hawaii.

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And so he, he had a pretty good pigeon accent.
But then when he would teach me that and we'd go out and it was,
it was so bad, but it got us outof when we were drunk in Boise.
Boise, Sorry, somebody correctedme at the funeral.
It's not Boise. It's Boise.
I'm like. All right, tomato, tomato.
I mean, it's like going out knocking doors in Kentucky and

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everyone's like, oh, it's Louisville because coming from
Utah. Hi out in Lewisville.
What? Hey, Louisville.
I'm sorry, wet Louisville. That's kind of like, you know.
What? How am I going to share that
joke? Anyways, I had to.
I had to. Hurry and pause that because I'm
like and it was like dude, come on, fucking say it like.

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Is it another boat agate moment?Dude that was so funny.
Brandon drops this clip of us inour podcast.
And all I was doing was I was talking about I don't always
clean my bong before going over there.
And he goes, yeah. And I was like, oh, wipe your
ass before you come to class. And he's like, yeah, I don't
always wipe my ass. Yeah, I said I don't always wipe
my ass. And he's like, oh, I love like,
yeah dude, I don't give a shit. Just do it.

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Bow daggets at all. And he just goes and he puts
that clip online and just that with no context.
Not the whole bong part literally just the like.
I don't wipe my ass sometimes. And there's a comment and there
the guy goes. What the fuck?
Get him off your couch, right? That guy's so disrespectful.

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And I was like, hilarious. That guy who made that comment
was really high. He's like, no dude, that's not
cool. Right.
Oh, for sure. Because it was like, oh, that's
gross, right? Right.
I don't think about, I mean, I, I know there's people out there
that do stupid shit when they doa lot of cannabis, but I just
don't see myself being like wanting to get into some shit.

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I just want to be like, chill, just want to relax.
I don't want to, I don't want tobe like, Oh yeah, let's go start
a fight. That's why drinking is no longer
a part of my life. But.
Just make you want to fight more.
Yeah, yeah. I just don't like the way it
makes me feel, especially like even.
I didn't like who I was waking up next to because my my quality

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of women started to grade. I literally lived the Ranger
credo. When a woman's stand, when a
woman's standards are lower thanyours, lower your standards.
So just keep dropping it And it got bad and I'm just like, I got
to take a break of this. This is horrible.
And then after I did like a yearsabbatical of no dating, no sex,
no nothing, I met my wife. Nice.

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And worked out and just put up with me this whole.
Time band together for ages. Yeah, 20, almost 22 years.
We've been married for 19, goingon 20.
That's an accomplishment. Yeah, it's pretty good.
My sister Melissa's still married to this day.
Oh nice. Yeah, she's 25 years.
No. Yes, 25, because her daughter's

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25. So yeah, you remember that?
Yeah. Yeah.
Lauren, she's she's gorgeous. She's just adorable.
And she has her son, Jackson. He's 22, still living at home,
but he's a good kid. He's such a good kid.
And then she's She adopted Janice's son.
OK. And then and then her youngest

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Christian who doesn't look like the rest of them.
And he's. Crazy.
He's the mailman's kid. I'm just like that shit doesn't
vibe but my sister still looks amazing.
She let her hair go platinum andshe still looks amazing.
She's like, I don't know, just doing things with it, like,

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sure, sure, sure. But anyways, no.
The reason why going through allthat, I mean, you have lived
such a a full life. I mean, hard, but full.
Yeah, right. And you've grown a lot in many
ways. And.
And you were sharing things withme that you could just feel

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right. And there's this thing like in
the shape system, octagons are. Almost telepathic in certain
ways and it's really, really weird because when you meet
others that are like that, you know immediately.
So then I start asking questions, hey, how are you
about showing up on time? They go, I'm the worst.
I'm like, hey, let's talk because.

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Chess is like we should be friends.
Yeah, I am, yeah. You know the old irresponsible
together. Yeah, I don't even consider it
irresponsible. He doesn't.
Even consider it. Irresponsible, I don't, you
know, because but Brandon Brandon's really about time
keeping because he I'm. Very prompt.
Yeah, yeah. And that's totally.
And because of I've learned thatabout him and his shape and all

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this other stuff. And I'll tell you more about
that. But his shape, I actually know
that. So I am very cognizant of it now
and it gives me feelings of absolute guilt.
Yeah, before it happened to remind me that I will get it
done. And that's what I've told a lot
of people. I trained some women salespeople
and both have made HD and I'm like, cool, we're going to

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implement a cool new program. And they're like, what's that?
And I'm like, you're going to write down 5 things on your
calendar that will be done todayand you have to get it done by
5. Oh.
Wow. And you can't take it home with
you. You got to get it done at the
office and they're ready. To go.
Really good because they were guilty.
See, I would have had that shit done by like 9:30 in the

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morning, but he's been like, allright, now he's.
Pragmatic. Yeah, he's very pragmatic.
And that's what I love about this guy because I am not, I'm
ideas, right? Constantly coming in.
Last night I got bored and I don't code.
I've never coded, I'm not a coder, I know nothing about it.
That's pretty cool. But I decided to figure out how

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to code and design an entire thing that I had no like it took
a few hours and I worked with itbut it is a fully working
program that and I was like. That's what he does when he's
bored all. Right, yeah, 'cause I was like,
I already raced with Jesse today.
I don't, I don't want to sit down and race some more.
I'm not feeling like reading a book yet.

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I don't want to watch a show, like just coding for fun.
I was like, yeah, well, my mind,when it gets bored, I spent like
in the evenings after, you know,my kids had gone to bed and
stuff 40 hours in one week just studying law because that was
what piqued my interest in that 90 days.
And so I just studied all of this law stuff for the longest

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time, but it was only at night when I was bored and had free
time. And it's, I don't know, my mind
is just on drugs probably. Inquisitive.
Yeah, call it that. Inquisitive, we're singing.
Inquisitive. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, but no, no, I mean, you

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know, knowing that about you andif you're comfortable and going
into it, kind of share that about you.
What this this energy that you have and where you've kind of
taken your life to this point. Because I I just get this really
strong feeling. That's that's why I was just
like when we were talking and I said, and I don't just do this

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to anybody, you know, not we're not like that.
We don't just go, oh man, I met this cool guy at the grocery
store say, hey, man, won't you come on the pod, right?
No, but it was just a strong poll and Brandon knows it
because I'm like, we got to bring her on.
We got to bring her on and here you are.

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So let's go into it. OK, so how do I how do I say
this exactly? Worcestershire Worcestershire
are you Worcestershire sauce Wash your sister.
Sauce wash your sister. And we're in Alabama.
Yeah, hi. Go ahead and tell us.
Don't want to put too much pressure on you?

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Definitely not but. I'm pretty open so if you ask me
questions. Yeah, specific question.
Yeah, yeah. And you know that about.
Me of course. So since you know more of it,
maybe give her a prompter and then I can see if I can find a
question out of that cuz you know.
Roger that. When did you start feeling that
you had this special connection?I knew you were gonna ask me

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that. That's actually where he's gonna
go. See.
Yeah. Vibin yeah, so.
On air, are we allowed to do that?
You get it. So anyway.
Vibrating. Vibrating mindset.
Telepathic. We're in a different place than

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you are, right? Now I.
Don't know where you're at, but we're going to bring you in.
Let's go. Awesome.
All right. OK, so I grew up like a very
like spiritual person and I experienced a lot of things that
were supernatural or I would seedead people and spirits and dark

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things and light things and everything in between.
I could see people's like auras,their colors around them.
I just, I have one foot in the spirit realm and one foot in
this realm at all times. And I've always experienced that
and I'm incredibly empathic, which is really, really

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challenging. It's like having that open 6th
sense 24/7. And it's something I've been
used to my whole life. But since other people are still
in the process of like trusting that part of themselves or just
ignoring it, it was hard for me to navigate through life
relating to other people. So it was, it's been like really

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big growth process for me to have to like learn to navigate
through life, having this part of me that's very spiritual and
this other part of me that's like trying to be human when I
feel so not human, you know whatI mean?
Yeah, like this has all taken place before.
Yeah, I, I have a very strong recollection of past lives.

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Many, many of them. I Wow, I have a lot I could say.
That's really interesting. There's is it Untethered Soul?
There's a book that I read on that and it talked about people
who experience multiple lives orthey've gone through even
specific therapies where even ifthey don't remember those past

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lives, it'll open up. Hypnosis and things.
Like that access to certain previous lives, but then
potentially not every person hasexperienced as many past lives
as others. Yeah, it's different.
There's like young souls and oldsouls.
You know a lot of people like you.
I know more than I did before. We're kind of spread throughout

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the planet strategically of course.
And I feel like I, I guess I should start on like how I view
the creator because I feel like that would kind of create like a
foundation for like how I think or how I see all of these things

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that you're asking. So I've had visions and
experiences since I was young tothe point where it's like I saw
how the universe was created andwhy and what that all entailed.
And I have regular visions of things that did happen, are

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happening in or will happen or have the potentiality of
happening. And so I've been giving these
kinds of things in order for me to understand my mission here or
my purpose here. And there's a lot of people that
are kind of in the same boat as me.
And we're kind of like quiet because we don't really fit in

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right. But just to bring back to the
creator is like, I see everything as like there's a
source creator. And to me it looks like a
gigantic sun. Like this is huge sun and with
each ray that comes off of the sun is its own universe, is its
own form of creation. And we happen to be in a

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universe that's a spiral universe is what I saw.
And that's because of how this universe was created, because
each universe has different lawsto it.
And the way it was created with was with sound, tone, color and
mathematics and sacred geometry,it would show patterns.
So if you know anything about like Cymatics where people put

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salt on like a platform where they play vibration, it creates
like the mandala. And.
It looks very similar to mandalas, and you can see these
old ancient chapels over in like, mostly Europe and those
kinds of things where they've got these beautiful glass,
stained glass windows or it has beautiful patterns.

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Those are basically like the blueprint to consciousness.
And creation is supposed to ignite the subconscious aspect
of us, to help us to remember who we are and where we came
from, kind of a thing. That's why churches back then
used to be sacred, even though they're not that way anymore.

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Yeah. When they were built on Ley
lines and you know a certain a lot of them have that you said
built around sound. So a lot of them, even the
cathedrals I love like in Europeand they are gorgeous, specific
with dimensions. So you can hear like every like
it and the sounds of like choirsand that are meant to

(30:11):
reverberate just incredible architecture that you just don't
see to like anymore. And each of these churches used
to have either like organs or different kind of sound
frequency thing. Do you want to hear this thing
that blew my mind that I saw maybe two or three years ago?

(30:32):
Yes. You sure?
Yes. OK.
I saw the Coliseum in Rome and Isaw that its original creation
was so that people get get couldgather there.
It's on a nodal point which is part of that Ley line, where it
has a strong convergence of energies from the inner Earth

(30:54):
from like the Earth's surface, as well as certain quadrants of
the universe which play a strongrole in emitting certain levels
of consciousness. Interesting.
And I saw that they originally were to use to kind of
collectively help people vibratein consciousness at the same

(31:20):
level together like a community,and that they would play certain
instruments either bells. I can't, I can't remember what
they use, but it was some kind of a sound.
It made a sound and it reverberated through everybody
in the entire Coliseum. And we are a lot larger than we
are now as humans. We are like giants, you could

(31:42):
say. And then our since our bodies,
our majority of it's like structured with water and what's
in water is there's plasma and then we have like minerals which
hold light codes, which hold consciousness.
And so any if I don't know if you're familiar with Emoto,

(32:06):
forget his name. He's that guy that took water
and throws it with a specific word on the outside of.
Yeah, and played different musicand spoke to it.
To it is it the way of water, orthe IT is?
I've read the book, I think it'smaybe called The Way.
Of I think so too. And each picture that he took of

(32:29):
the frozen water held a beautiful geometric structure.
Wow, yeah. That looked like a snowflake.
Oh, yes, I've seen this. OK.
Yes, yeah. And so they had some waters that
were frozen, that had like disdain or hatred or things.

(32:49):
Like that negative energies. There you go.
Yeah. And it's all based off of the
person writing the word, what their intention is when they
write the word and put it. Yeah, 'cause if you're saying
the word hate, but you're all cheerful and you're writing the
word and you're like, I'm just going to pretend like we're
putting this word on here and it's going.

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To make the energy and the frequency.
There you go. And it just shows how powerful
we are as people or as humans is.
It's our consciousness that creates in this world and it
manifests in water in our consciousness.
So if we're in a Coliseum receiving all this higher
vibrational consciousness, it's going to reverberate through our

(33:33):
bodies and we're all going to beon the same page.
And if you look at the way our world is today, everything is
about division and everybody hasan opinion about everything.
All of us, except for me, of course.
There's no we, yeah. I'm the only one.
You have no opinions. No meaning like I don't have.

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I don't know how to say it. It's OK.
In other words, it's like our consciousness, we're in the same
place during those periods that we existed in this place and now
it's just completely divided intentionally, right?
That's how they control us. That's how they shift us from

(34:15):
believing a certain way of beingself empowered to fighting each
other. Because if we fight each other,
then we're not going to know whothe real quote UN quote enemy
is, right? Do you do sound paths?
I used to a long time ago, but Idon't very much anymore.
No, just time. I mean it's a good idea.

(34:36):
Enjoy that. Like I mean sure you enjoy them
still, just life got in the way.Well, that's what I was going to
say it. It would be really good for me
in in the sense that I'm very empathic, like extremely
empathic where I will be in a room with people and if you guys
are high, I'll get high without the is not the smoke I'm

(34:57):
breathing. It's like I'll be in your energy
field and I can feel it. Or I would.
I remember things like I'd sit down on the couch next to my son
when he was going through like agrowth spurt and I could feel
his legs, his knees were hurtingbecause he was going through a
growth spurt. This kid is like 66 foot tall
right now. And so he grew really fast at a

(35:17):
younger age. And I'd sit next to him and I'd
be like, son, are your legs hurting?
And he's like, yeah, I have someleg aches today.
And I'd run into the kitchen andgive him some calcium,
magnesium, vitamin D. But it's not kind of thing where
I could pick up on physically what's going on with a person,
but also energetically. And I guess I didn't say this

(35:40):
either, but I'm practicing psychic medium, intuitive,
empathic, do astrology readings and that type of thing.
So I know people's thoughts and feelings and it's not perfect.
Everyone's like, well, why don'tyou just win the freaking Lotto
if you know everything? It's not exactly like that.
It's like what's what's most important for you to receive

(36:04):
from the spirit realm is what you'll receive about yourself,
about other people. And I'm here as a human.
I'm not supposed to know everything.
None of us are. And the purpose is to experience
it, not to have all the answers.I'm not.
No one's any more important or special than anyone else.

(36:26):
It's like we're all here. We're.
Passengers. Yeah, and we're all part of the
same creator. We're all part.
Of source creators. Yeah, if we are all source, we
are equal. Yeah.
So if I'm source, you're source,you're source.
The only difference between us is literally the outside
projection of what this color ofsource is.
And it's like it's the same shit.

(36:46):
Yeah, exact same stuff. And that's why I have a hard
time like judging people for where they are anymore.
One, because I've not been a perfect human, mostly.
Perfect. What is that?
Yeah. It's almost like, it's almost
like, oh, don't go to the desertbecause it's perfect.
We can't. Really.
You know what happens? Like.
Because it moves, it's in constant flux.

(37:08):
It's like you said, though, you've grown and changed and
learned through life. Like the person that I was 15
years ago is nowhere near the same person.
Yeah. Country Brandon is no.
Oh God. But even before that, like any
of the other versions of Brandon.
Like, dude, that was like that, that picture you showed on on
like you look so young. Oh, yeah, I thought about it.

(37:28):
So Addie was born. I was snapped then.
So I was at least 25, probably 26.
So he looks like he's 12. In that and so.
Well, the rest of his brothers and his dad too.
His dad, totally. My dad's could pass 2. 62 and he
could totally pass for 39 or 41.When when he was 45, we were he

(37:51):
was buying paintball guns because we were going to go
paintballing and we went to the store and they ID Ed him for 18.
I was 15 and my dad didn't have me at 16.
He was probably 23 when I was born 24.
So I was like he's like in his 40s.
What are you talking about? He's old as shit because you.
Know old as. Shit, smart ass 14 year old, 15

(38:13):
year old me like, yeah, well, I call him Old Man River.
It's either Padre or Old Man River.
That's what I call those. Are good names.
I just call him old man. See, that's so funny.
You call him Padre. I mean, I don't even call my own
father Padre. You know, my dad, when I got
back from the military, I didn'teven know he had an accent.
Really. I had no clue.
And I'm like, what the fuck's upwith that?
Cuz you're used to. I just talked when you were

(38:35):
young. I just knew.
Come back. It was different.
Yeah, cuz I've been away for so long.
Hey, how are you doing? That's hilarious.
That's just an accent. Everybody goes.
Yeah, your dad's always had an accent.
Yeah, I can actually relate to that.
I moved away to Hawaii for several years and I came back,
my sister picked me up and I'm like, you sound like a Hick.
No judgement against Hicks, guys.

(38:57):
I still love you. Oh yeah, I mean, we talk in that
accent every once in a while. Yeah, I mean.
It's fun. You know, reference Spanish
Fork. Actually, you get a lot of help
from other people if you speak clock players.
I mean, I've had a lot of good things, yeah.
She used to say like mountain. Mountain.
Mountain, mountain and mountain.And she, she just talks like

(39:17):
very different. And like you said, your friend
Danny or Dan, he's Hawaiian. He's has a really strong pigeon.
You pick it up so easily. Oh yeah.
You're like, wow, yeah, it's like a different.
I'm an accent sponge. So every country that I go to,
it's horrible. I was in Italy and then I was
like, I had an Italian accent. But and I'm like, yeah.

(39:38):
And my ex-wife and my family arelike, why are you doing that?
I'm like doing what? And they're like, you're
talking. I'm like, I'm sorry.
We've been here for two weeks now.
Like same with London, same withlike it was everywhere we went.
It's just been that way. And I'm like, it's not
intentional. It just happened, comes out and
then I'm like, so true. I'm really sorry.
I'm not mocking you at all. No, no, it's like when I was in
Mumbai. I started talking like this and

(40:00):
then everybody like you. What?
No near skin is not mattering your reaction my friend.
Oh yeah, don't do that. I feel like the head shaking.
That one after a bit though, it becomes really easy.
Dude, I told you I had this. I had a friend at the hospital
that I worked with named Doctor Rashans and and he came there,
we had this big takedown of thisguy.

(40:21):
He was like 6-9, half Tong and half Hawaiian.
And we gave him meds and we had to put two handcuffs behind his
back and we put him in a cell and the doctor goes, go ahead,
let him take off the handcuffs, give him short of Benadryl 25.
And we're like Benadryl. And then the security guard
starts going over there because I ran that word and I go stand

(40:43):
fast. You're not touching those cuffs.
Nope. I said you want to do it.
I said give him the key. You do it, doc.
And he's like. No, I tell you what you're
doing, you're going to do it. For me right now.
And I was like, Nope, no one's going to do it.
No one's following his order. You're not going to put us in
danger. So what happened?
I had to go to anger management in Saint George, wait for seven
hours. Are you saying you took off the

(41:06):
cuff? Nope.
OK, I told him. I said you wanna do it, you give
him the shot. Yeah.
And I said, guess what's gonna happen when you do that?
Yeah. And he's like, he'll calm down.
And I said, really, Eric, you gonna calm down?
I'm gonna cut your fucking head off.
Hmm. Yeah, Benadryl's going to do
real good. We already gave him a bunch of
meds. It wasn't touching him.

(41:26):
And I said, what can I do for you?
Man, you got to give him the horse tranquilizer.
Oh yeah. We used to use this thing called
a nap scene where if you gave itto him instantly you'd be out.
Wow. And then they had to watch your
your pulse and your breathing. But I mean, we would have guys
so angry there was nothing. And even this stuff, we when the
psychosis was so strong. Yeah, it would they they were

(41:51):
impervious to. Anything.
Right. See, and I think those kind of,
I've seen that those kind of people are possessed.
Yes, I was about to say. Stronger physically.
It's like certain people who have schizophrenia, my theory
is, is that they their consciousness is in it, it just

(42:12):
bouncing back and forth from different different dimensions.
Yeah. And so they can't, that's why
they're hearing thing constantlylike, and that's why they they
can never really fixate and that's why they term insane
because you can't there's it's just constantly because when you
talk to them, it's real. And I worked with schizophrenics
for a long time and I'm just like, you know, I can't tell

(42:34):
them. It's not like one of them.
Sweet guy taught me how to play pool with one hand.
He was the coolest guy. He.
Had one hand or he. Taught you how to play pool.
He taught me how to play with just using one hand because he
was so bored. He had lived there at the state
hospital for so many years for murder.
Killed his father. His father tortured him all
through his childhood. Oh, wow.
Ripped his fingernails, toenailsout.

(42:56):
Time to the bed. Put an iron.
He put it on the stove. One of those old irons.
So he got was coming to him. Yeah, his dad owned a hardware
shop up in Salt Lake and closingat one day, his son just.
He was like, I think he was 18. Yeah.
And he said the voices were really strong and told me what I
needed to do. Wow.

(43:16):
So he picked up a 25 LB rock andthere was nothing left of his
head and you call the cops and that's.
What I did? I mean, if you grow up
traumatized, if you're tortured as a kid, that's what causes DID
too. Yeah.
Tell me how you say it. What is DID?
Associative something disorder. I can't think of the middle one,
but that's. Yep, it's basically where and I

(43:40):
have a family member that's schizophrenic so I totally.
Understand. Yeah.
It's it's. She's been that way for years,
yeah. And there's the craziest thing
is that sometimes it just takes like an adjustment.
I worked with one Doctor Who wasan amazing woman and very
tortured person. And that's why I was like, oh,
she's going to be a good dog. Because usually the ones who
have had the most tragic lives are the most, I mean, they are

(44:02):
so good. But this one case we had, it was
a woman highly, highly religious.
She tried to assault one of the presence of the church at the
time, and she had what's called a terrace off on her.
It's like a heart. No, it's a hardcore restraining

(44:23):
order. Yeah, that will be enforced.
And it happened when she startedserving her mission.
She started to start talking to things that weren't there.
And all these other things were going on, right.
So she was having typical time. Most peculiar thing is you can
get a piece of paper. And she would write this perfect
penmanship from the very tip of that corner in tiny little

(44:47):
letters. And she would fill up pages and
it was always perfect lines. And they started treating her
for schizophrenia. So they start giving her all
these meds, started making her angry.
They switched it to another one,made her hypersexual.
She tried to lure a lot of my staff into her room.
She's like, hey, more like, so what's going on?

(45:09):
I'm like, it's the meds. And then the doc did this whole
like huge deep study and found out that she was suffering from
a rare form of epilepsy, gave her an epileptic seizure
medication. Within two weeks.
She was completely lucid. And she's like, and she had
lived in this prison for years. And as I think there's an

(45:30):
imbalance and it doesn't always need a medication on that one.
But as you said, our, our lives are divided now.
And that's where a lot of these illnesses start to come from.
And that's where a lot of this mental illness starts to come or
whatever, because it's just the vibrations, the frequency of the
world. It's just dark.
Yeah, it's very. Negative.
Yeah, there's it's very polarized right now.

(45:52):
There's like extreme dark and extreme lights, which is
clashing and it's manifesting inpeople and it ultimately
manifests in our individual lives as like a daily choice.
So if you know about the Hopi, Idon't know if it's Hopi, but
it's basically a old Native American like story where they
talk about the dark wolf and thelight wolf.

(46:14):
Have you heard of that? OK, I'll tell it briefly.
It's basically where they say like whoever you, you have two
wolves that live inside of you and whichever 1 you feed is
going to be the stronger 1. And so if you feed your dark
wolf, you have more of the energy put into that.
And that becomes like the most prominent aspect of how you

(46:37):
experience life, how you view things, your perspective, how
you act, how everything, how youdo things physically, mentally,
spiritually and emotionally in this life.
If you feed your white wolf, then you'll gravitate towards
being more friendly, kind. But the thing about this story,
even though, and I'm going to just add my own conjecture to

(46:58):
this too, is like it's ideal, ideal to have balance because
there is darkness in this world and if you do not understand it,
it can target you, right? And devour you and.
So what you want to do is you want to almost embrace your dark
side, not as something to act onper SE.

(47:20):
I mean, sometimes maybe that's astage you go through, which is
just a necessary stage for your growth, right?
But then you alchemize it and transmute it and you say like,
I'm no longer going to for you, just like I'm not going to drink
anymore. I'm not going to end up in a bed
with somebody I don't feel like is a good person anymore.

(47:41):
It's that kind of thing is like you take those experiences that
you've gone into that darkness and you transmute it and
alchemize it into being a betterversion of yourself and being
like, I don't really want to do that.
So you're feeding him more of your white wolf and you're half
having to release the addictive substances and energy that feeds

(48:02):
that dark wolf. And you stop drinking, you stop
doing all those things that keeps you in that space.
So it's if you're too white wolfkind, then you're too cowardice,
you're too naive, you're too prim and proper.
Where you feel like you can't take on the world and if

(48:23):
somebody comes to challenge you,then you don't have anything in
your tool belt to know how to offset it.
So Yeshua used to talk about this.
Yeshua's and Jesus used to talk about this, and he used to talk
about following the middle way, which is essentially like
learning to transmute the darkness within you in order and

(48:47):
merge it with the light within you to become the powerful being
that you're meant to be. And that's like the hero's story
or the heroes. Remind me what's called?
Hero's Journey. There you go, Hero's Journey.
OK, there's love and light in everyone, but there's also
darkness and yeah. So to be a Gray wolf.
There. You.
Go. That blows my mind because I

(49:10):
have a really strong connection to animals as well.
And I have. So do I, I see animal spirits
sometimes coming to me, and for the last month I've seen a Gray
wolf. And you just said it.
Now I understand it. That's so crazy.
And it was the male alpha version of the Gray wolf, which
means that's his way of saying you are in the process.

(49:34):
You know, he's communicating with me.
You are in the process of attaining that level, of having
merged your two worlds together to attain that level of like,
being that alpha part of myself.And then just like the mountain
that we're climbing as humans, we reach a plateau where we're
like, we accomplish this good job, and then there's always
going to be another level to climb up to.

(49:56):
But meanwhile, you just are proud of yourself for what you
accomplished then. So yeah, getting there.
And it's like a process going there.
Oh my gosh. There's so many things I was
going to say too when you were talking and shoot, I forget.
Cannabis. Cannabis.
Damn marijuana. I thought about it and I was

(50:18):
like, you know, it's even kind of like parenting and leaving
that angrier, reactive, more side of us and still knowing,
hey, there is that darkness inside of me.
There is this, there is that side, that beast, that wolf
that's still there. But it's knowing how to manage
that and not leading with that going, hey, this is what I'm
going to go, 'cause you're like,well, there are both wolves,

(50:40):
right? But if you're there controlling
both wolves, it will if you knowhow to lead with one.
Sometimes, yeah, you have another dark wolf that comes out
and you have to let your dark wolf out and go get the fuck
away. Yeah, exactly.
Like your energy is gross. I don't like you.
I don't need this shit. Like go find something else.
See, I grew up in a again, like my dad.
My dad didn't know how to control his anger and he was

(51:02):
very violent, right? Yeah.
I mean, it's kind of like how our generation grew up is.
That's just how it went, Yeah. You got the belt and things like
that, right? And there's different levels of
it, like sometimes it went too far where it's like, OK, you're
disciplining me, I get it, but doesn't have to go that far, so.
Yeah, yeah. And being the sensitive person

(51:24):
that I was, I'm like, I'm literally not doing anything.
I'm just a really good kid. And yet he just didn't know how
to manage his anger and his way of disciplining us as kids and
is telling us what to do in the way that he did.
But I will tell you this like it, people can have a resentment
for their parents being a specific way.
I could label my mom as a white wolf, but I also can see that

(51:47):
she's a very weak in not facing her life or having courage to
achieve a being a better versionof herself.
And she's kind of given up and it's affected her physically and
in every other way. She's been depressed.
And with my dad, he's been so not knowing how to manage his
anger and his frustration, his emotions that it's like I

(52:10):
witnessed first hand a white wolf and a dark wolf in my life
to understand it. And there's a part of me that's
like so compassionate and so loving, genuinely, literally
feeling what other people are feeling and going through as if
I am them, as if I have their memories.
I know what it's like to feel ifthey've had a baby die or I've

(52:37):
done readings for years. And every single time I did a
reading, it's like I turned intothe person and I was in the
process of like having to transmit and it would take me an
entire month just to process what other people were coming to
me to get advice about. It was really hard.
I had to stop doing that. I was really successful at it in

(52:58):
the sense that it worked and it was really benefiting a lot of
people, but it became really hard on me and it affected me
physically and in other ways. So but anyway, now I'm to the
point where I just had really challenging relationships, two
of them in particular, and me and my ex just split up last
year. And what I learned from that

(53:21):
experience with him being the way that he was and me being the
way that I am, is that I took responsibility for my part of
it. I'm like, how did I create the
dysfunction in this? And it was, I was too much of A
people pleaser or I was too muchof A like, not just kind of
letting him get away with the stuff that he was doing.

(53:41):
And, and I knew why and I understood why he was doing what
I was doing, but it didn't make it OK.
Right to the point where I'm like, well, I can't do this
anymore. And I started pulling out my
dark wolf and was like laying down the lawn.
I was like, screw that. I can't do that.
So now I feel more balanced where I feel like I will love a

(54:01):
person so wholeheartedly bend over backwards for them if I
feel like it's what I'm supposedto do for their benefit, for my
benefit both. But once they crossed me, I'm
like, fuck you. No, it's not happening.
I love you. But I can't deal with that
anymore. Yeah.

(54:22):
So I've kind of encountered the last year of not being with him.
I've encountered a lot of men coming into my life where I'm
being, how should I say this? I feel like I'm testing or I'm
challenging myself where I'm seeing, OK, are you going to go

(54:48):
with this old pattern in this new person?
Are you recognizing the same patterns?
Or are you going to, like, create a boundary there?
And so I feel like this is kind of what we're collectively doing
as humans is we're starting to balance the masculine dark wolf
and the feminine, the white wolfin our collective energy right

(55:08):
now, in our collective consciousthat we're all tapped into in
higher subconscious level. And so creating that balance
heals our ancestral line, heals our DNA.
It creates unification inside ofus, which creates connections
with us externally. It becomes an outward projection
of like what we experience into our reality if we are Co

(55:31):
creators with the creation that we exist in, if that makes
sense. Yeah.
OK. Have you read a lot of Alan
Watts or listened to a lot of Alan Watts?
I. Have the interesting thing about
how do I say this? I really value deeply and I've
learned a lot from a lot of teachers that have come into

(55:51):
this world. I feel like a majority of what
I've received comes from. Source.
Source. Thank you for saying that.
That actually is exactly it. Where like it feels like my life
has been directed in such a way that that has been my purpose is
like, that's my North Star. So you've lived very, it sounds

(56:15):
like you've just been intuitive,like had intuition throughout
the whole life. There is, oh gosh, it's on
Mindvalley vision Likiani, he's Redone Silva mastermind.
It was Jose Silva taught as kidshow to be more intuitive and
stuff. They learn faster.

(56:36):
They were like able to feel energies and stuff.
I mean, it's a whole course thatthey've taught to be more in
tune with that because it is just some humans are naturally
more in tune. Some feel that they gravitate
towards that. And then there are others who
like they shun that or like it'ssomething they're not tuned to.

(56:57):
Yeah, I I have heard of that. But it sounds like yours was
just a natural, like one of the natural, all done on your own.
Right. And I think I know the reason
why that is, is because I know about myself, that I'm a old
soul. I've existed for a very, very
long time. There's a good chunk of us here
in the planet that are. And I hate the sound of that in

(57:19):
the sense that I don't I struggle with the ranking or the
like. Hierarchical.
Yeah, being an old soul mix doesn't mean you're more
important than a young soul. What it is?
In our society, I think that it's like the elderly or like
they're, hey, you need to respect me.

(57:40):
Why shouldn't you respect the same young person or anyone else
like it's? Well they they also have to earn
it if they're like a little 2 year old tantrum throwing.
Like. Immature.
Then you're going to be like, you know, you.
Have to learn maturity even in. This world which as an old soul,
I had to go through that stage too, just like anybody else.
But you can't look at like graduate from the most

(58:03):
prestigious school and or College in the United States or
anywhere on the planet and then look at a kindergarten person or
kid and just be like, this person is better than this
person. They just have difference of.
Knowledge they both have difference of experience,
difference of knowledge not thatgoing to college, by the way, is

(58:26):
the only way to learn let's just.
Establish. Yeah.
We all know that it can. Be very.
Corrupt. And I know you guys are on the
same page. Yeah.
We are both attendees, we're just not college graduates.
No, no, I I actually was talked out of it by professors saying
get out of here. You are not.
You're not going to do. That I would have to agree

(58:47):
there. I enjoyed my time because it
what it did teach me was it teach me to be because I wasn't.
I didn't consider myself anywhere near an intelligent
kid, right? I was in all the resource
classes because I never paid attention.
I thought I never could do anything.
And then I went to college and Imaintained a 3.4 O right.
And I'm like, how is that going to happen?

(59:10):
And I played video games the entire time.
Yeah and everybody's like, how did you play video games?
Have a family, work full time and go to school.
And I'm like you just do. Jessie, it's because you're an
Indigo like me. Like that's how we are very
connected. Well, when you were saying about
feeling other people, like I always thought I was

(59:30):
psychosomatic, but I mean, and that's why I, I kept going back
to this because I was getting AImean.
I'm I'm seeing your aura, which is crazy in one sense, but it
just, it's like an unlocking because I feel that, yeah, when
my kids have a sore throat, my throat hurts.
Yeah, when they have a pain somewhere, I'm like, why is

(59:52):
that? Hurting right now, right?
And I've noticed that more so when my kids are not doing OK
because I've opened up, I've been feeding my white wolf as
well as my black right? So I'm, I'm finding myself as a
Gray wolf. I've got this killer idea now
for my tattoo. But yeah, this is awesome.
But but I'm I'm able to now be more connected to my sons.

(01:00:18):
In a deeper way where I know something's wrong.
And I know that around people. I know when they're upset.
I know when they're. And I thought, oh, it's because
I put all this time into learning how to communicate.
And yeah, that's part of it. But it's mostly just that,
because I've always felt that I always knew my relationships
were about to end before they ended, right?

(01:00:38):
I was like fuck. You're that way when you're
young, and I think you were really intellectualized it back
then, like you're saying now. Yeah, yeah.
And you harvested a lot of that energy into like, your physical
body. Yeah, yeah.
Just being active, which is kindof what I did too.
I feel like, yeah, yeah. As part of the transmutation
process, it was me being very athletic.

(01:00:59):
I could run for 8 miles a day and be like I need to keep
going. Yeah, me too.
Yeah, I was just very like the. Nature of it, an empath is to be
like, need to burn that energy off that you're absorbing from
everybody. Well, becomes toxic if you
can't. It does especially like EMF's
now, right? Oh, my, you know, I was just
telling my wife that like, I hadto go to, I had to get to the

(01:01:20):
gym. I had to get to the gym to burn
off this extra darkness is the best way to say it.
And because. And my wife's like, you're kind
of being a Dick to me right now at the gym.
I'm like, I apologize. Let's just keep moving.
Yeah. And we got past it.
And I was like, Oh yeah, And I just.
And that explains a lot, right? Cuz I look at other people, I'm
like, why don't you wanna go do that?

(01:01:41):
Right. And they're like.
Yeah, but not everybody is like you and I don't, I'm not trying
to toot your own horn or whatever that looks like, but as
far as like how long I've known you and just being able to
energetically. Yeah, I'm there right now, yeah.
I know I can feel that it's actually making my like face
tingle a little. Bit yeah, I feel right here.
In my chest, yeah. Crazy.

(01:02:03):
Yeah. This fucking nuts, Yeah.
Sorry about that. Yeah, but trouble over here.
No, it's just, it's, you know, it's something that's there
because Brandon feels it too. Yeah, like I, we know when each
other is not feeling OK and we'll randomly send each other a
text to say, hey, buddy, keep itup.

(01:02:24):
But we do it, right. It's not like an everyday thing,
you know? And and Brandon's the first guy
that I told that I love you, man.
And he said right back he's I love you too.
And I was just like, why have you?
This has been the key to unlocking all my happiness.
And, and from that point on, it has been nothing but continuous

(01:02:44):
growth. Yeah.
And I'm not saying growth by financial means by any means.
You know, I, I, I, I the struggle is real, right?
Personal growth. But personal growth is Brandon
knowed me completely different before.
Yeah, that was a very aggressive.
Yeah, you needed to go through that.
Stage like Mike Black Wolf was. He ran the show.

(01:03:05):
Which it needed to in order for you to integrate it.
That was very much a part of your people always ask me like,
hey, I want a reading. Can you tell me what my life
purpose is? And I'm like, you're in it,
you're living it. Whatever you're going through,
that's your life purpose. Now, if you want to be alignment
with who you would like to be recognizing you're not, you

(01:03:29):
know, in a place you want to stay and you're feeling
uncomfortable and you're feelingthat tug towards like, OK, it's
my next stage of growth. Then like that's prevalently
like at the surface where you need to say, OK, what do I need
to to do to adjust my life? And you evaluate things
internally and externally, you know, but I was going to say, I

(01:03:50):
was going to say one other thing.
I have like the way my mind works is like, if any, I don't
know if anybody's listening to us, probably not right now, but
I almost can feel people listening to us in the future
now. And I can feel all these
thoughts and feelings that people are experiencing.
And it's kind of sometimes like throw me off a little bit, but

(01:04:14):
to the point where it's like, well, what about this?
And then I'll start talking about what they're thinking
about. Do you understand?
Oh, yeah. And I feel like you guys do the,
oh, I see chills, full body chills.
You guys do that on your podcastwhere you're in the zone and
your thoughts are their thoughtsat the same time.
And maybe not with everybody, but a lot of.
No, it's we've gotten a lot of our audiences has done that with

(01:04:35):
us since. Yeah.
Everybody. More opening, maybe not
everybody, but a lot of people being like, hell yeah, exactly,
yeah. Yeah, like me not wiping my ass.
Remember that. Good God, Jesse, do you need to
take a break? We just had such a good random
conversation, I think those few episodes that I was like, yeah,
these have just such funny clipsin there.

(01:04:57):
No, but I get it. Yeah.
You know, I and The thing is, isthat sometimes people want to
feel like they're insane becausethey do that, because that's
not, I mean. We get insane to some degree in
our lives. Oh, we're all insane.
You know, there's just some who get caught.
When we're in our dark, I'm surewe get there.
That's what I no, it's what I used to tell the patients there

(01:05:18):
because this guy came to me and he goes, Jess, am I crazy?
I'm like, well, yeah, but we allare.
You just got caught. And he goes, make sense?
I'm like, because seriously, youknow, we all talk to ourselves.
We all battle in our own mind. We hear the voices and the
interaction. Some of us, not all of us, some
of us see everything as it was. Those of us like you and I,

(01:05:43):
yeah, our memories are insanely impeccable, but it's for a
reason. Right.
And others go, whoa, there's no way.
I mean, but it was not. It was.
It was harvested inside, like literally this plant opened that
up to me. Yeah.
Like, Brandon, open me to a different world.

(01:06:04):
And it it I use it as just a conduit.
It's not like it's not like whenI used to drink.
Yeah, I drank for a purpose, either to get laid or get in a
fight. Yeah.
Hoping one or the other. Yeah, you needed some kind of
stimulation. Yeah, big time.
Yeah. That's why I bounced around a
lot, sure. But when I found my White Wolf,

(01:06:24):
Yeah. Like, and she's not just what
she she needed to be pulled overinto the black.
And that's exactly what I did for her.
Yeah. Like, you know, she grew up
extremely sheltered that she used to say stuff like, oh,
gosh, you know, all these peoplehave been praying and the rain's
coming and, like, what? And she goes, yeah.
And I'm like, no, that's the atmosphere.

(01:06:45):
It just does. It's it's own.
Yeah. It's it's own entity.
They're more illogical. She's more spiritual.
Yeah. And then she's like, no.
And then. But it was.
But it was great because the synergy started to happen.
Yeah. It was like when you were
talking about the spiral Galaxy.Yeah.
Like I saw all of that. Like when you're just everything
from the sun. Yep.
In space and these and these plants grow.

(01:07:07):
Yes. Like I was seeing that in my
head while you were describing that and it wasn't, but I mean,
it was so detailed and I was just seeing all of us this exact
same way, the all of these lights and you.
Can like, say a simulation we live in, a simulation people
talk about? That Oh yeah.
Simulation theory, yeah. So it's similar.

(01:07:30):
I mean, I, I think there is, it is a simulation going on, but
what people think about it as far as computers go, it's very
narrow minded because we think of things in a technological
mindset, yeah, rather than. Quantum.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, 'cause it's. Brandon, you feeling the right

(01:07:52):
thing to say at the right time? Dude, you're.
He's always good, like. Patterns.
You know what? You're not the first woman to
say that. Yeah, skinny, skinny guys with
big Dicks volumes one through. 30.
No, no, no, real quick. And this is super funny.
So we were on this other podcast, Red Bread.
It's like, hey, we got this podcast with these ladies that I

(01:08:12):
just moved into this. House and I'm like.
I'll do in my closet. Yeah.
And we're we're on there. And where were they from?
Like. Louisiana and New York, I think.
Yeah, Louisiana and New York is is black ladies who had this
podcast about. Motherhood, Sex, Marijuana.
Yeah, motherhood, sex and marijuana.
Interesting. And we were talking and, you
know, I'm such a smart ass and Ican hold a straight face no

(01:08:32):
matter what. And I was like, and she's and I
was like, yeah, Brandon used to do porn.
And the one of the the younger lady, she goes.
For real. And the other lady, she's older
and she's just like girl and she's just shaking her head and
we're and we're like, and she's like for real.
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, don't you?
He's been in all. He's like, yeah, he's in I.
Just keep a straight face. Yeah.

(01:08:53):
And I, I was like, I was like, yeah, he's in all the the good
ones. He's in guys with big, skinny,
skinny guys with big Dicks. So he's in volumes 3 through 33
and and she's like for real. And she pulls out her phone and
starts looking. And I feel like.
She's like, no. Girl.
And I was just like. You got her.
But The thing is, is like everybody always says that.

(01:09:14):
They're like, I don't know if you're joking.
And I'm like, well then always just assume that I am.
Right. Yeah, well, my kids always say
something and they're like, I don't know if you're being
sarcastic or not. And I'm like.
I'm. Always.
I was being serious that time but like but.
It's a generation. Yeah, everything that comes out
of my mouth is sarcastic. Oh.
Man, you guys are my people. Yeah, for sure.
I don't, you know that, But it'sjust like it when you said that

(01:09:39):
about society, I, what I think about and it's, it makes more
sense now when you I, I mean, I,I keep my ear to the political
grindstone just to understand how economics is going to start
shifting. That's why I think about that.
So I can go, all right, maybe gas is going to go down, jobs
are going to go up or shit. Well, I mean, maybe I'll be a

(01:10:01):
con, I'll be a construction guy,right?
I mean, who knows, but in that shift it just seen this war on
her children to divide us because of all of the things
that, you know, technology is usually a an excuse.
I feel right now, because it could have been the same way of
going what you're going to give the kids pencils.

(01:10:23):
Next thing you're going to give them paper and they're going to
have ideas like I guarantee every new thing, like when the
masses were mostly illiterate and the ones who were literate
were usually, you know, part of the papacy, right?
And so. That in the church.
Yeah. And so you're like, great.
They're. And that's why they held such

(01:10:44):
power over the people. And who knew that learning would
change the world. Yeah.
And they're like. It is the perspective that makes
you the creator. Yeah, 100%.
Because you're the creator. You live the role of creator or
you live the role of like, I'm an NPC and life just happens to

(01:11:05):
me. And when you view yourself as a
servant, you will keep manifesting yourself as a
servant until you see otherwise.Yeah.
Yep. Oh.
Man, there's so many things. I just.
Could there's a song that I liketo listen to?
I guess it's not really a song. It's it.
It's an overlay of an Alan Wattstalk, but it's overlayed with

(01:11:26):
music. Yeah, yeah, I know the song you
talk. About Yeah, I think it's just
like the. Talking about dreams.
But it it's basically like talking about that if you were
consciousness, if you were source, if you were whatever,
you know, you would live 1,000,000 lifetimes, that you
would live like the everything you wanted to do.
You would do, like, have as muchmoney.

(01:11:48):
Yeah. Everything, everything you could
ever imagine. And after a million lifetimes,
you would start to get bored andyou would start to wonder, well,
what would it be like if I were to just not do that?
What would it be like if I were to not try and control all of
that? And it said you would eventually
reach the moment that you would be in this exact moment that

(01:12:08):
you. Are right now.
Bingo, actually that's exactly how the universe created humans
was for that reason is like how low can I descend in order to
resend? But you have to feel and
recognize that. Like, it's interesting because
so much of like every religious text is all just dissimilar

(01:12:28):
stories, you know, just told in different ways and everyone
going well. But like, this version is true
and this version is true. And you're like, they're all the
same story. But it's just.
It's just. Differently.
Well, it didn't. It wasn't the same weight for a
very long time until it started being put into more of a
theology as opposed to just a way a philosophy, but just.

(01:12:52):
Hearing now is like so I grew upMormon so a lot of my theologies
come from there. After that I studied
Christianity because I came non denominational and like, but
like the idea of most Mormons isyou become God once you die and
achieve all of this stuff if you've been good enough.

(01:13:13):
Well, that God is basically source.
So if you are source and you have to wait to become source,
like but at the same time it's their contradictions of like,
well, God was and you know, there there never will be
another God and never was, you know, like that there only was
one according to biblical stuff.So there's just like these

(01:13:34):
contradictions. And I'm like, well, if you're
source, you either always have been source or you never were,
right? So you're either already source.
Yeah. So then it's just the
realization of like, hey, well, I'm no longer a servant.
I am source and becoming and living in that instead of living
in that other aspect of it. That's when you become more
connected. Most of them are taught like you

(01:13:55):
aren't source, you aren't good and like you will be better or
you'll be this next glorification of source or
whatever. Once you do all these things
versus you are source, you hold everything within.
You just have to realize that and then like try and go from
there. But it's a very like that's not
taught for the most part. Now it's more pushed in a very.

(01:14:18):
Different perspective. You're saying, Amber, go ahead.
No, you 'cause you're right there.
No, no, no. You're right there.
OK, let's go once you see if we say at the same time.
Yeah, there you go, You go. I forgot you go.
Oh. Shit, dude, it'll come back.
No, I, I really appreciate what Brandon just said there because
I believe that humans are just the majority.

(01:14:41):
Humans are very confused and theinterpretation is their
interpretation of how to be ableto get closer to source.
And so as religions come up there, it's a good idea because
people want to kind of copy. They want to copy it because,
well, you feel good because humans want that.
The if, if we're going to put itin a chemical way, they want the

(01:15:01):
dopamine. And when you're safe and around
others who do the same thing, then it's easier.
But it's easy when it was at source, because when it's at the
bare Bennett, it really was about connection.
And now it's all about doing theright thing.
And it was like a conversation Ijust had in church last Sunday.
This guy says, yeah, as long as you do the right things.

(01:15:22):
And I said, OK, tell me what theright things are.
And he goes, well, they tell us.And no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no. You don't need to tell me about
what some other human told you. What do you know?
Yeah. And he?
Arm of flesh, yeah. You're now and that's and that's
why a lot of people will consider those who are dogmatic
really weak. They are completely white wolf.

(01:15:42):
They've allowed themselves to say no.
That's the the sheltered families say we don't play with
them because they're not in accordance of our philosophy and
they put it on the divine. So I think that they get these
ideas and they're close these inspirations.
That's what these these guys whowere writing things down because
they felt inspiration. They weren't like, I hope a

(01:16:04):
bunch of people know, you know, thousands of years from now that
how fucking important I am that I took all this fucking time to
write this shit down. And no, it was, they were just,
they were so overcome with it. And I think now when we feel it,
we just keep it suppressed and we don't want to share it
because we're just like, Nah, that'll make me, I'll share too
much. But it's like when we were on
the phone and I said, Hey, I love you.

(01:16:27):
That doesn't come very often these days.
Yeah. And it was a genuine feeling
because of connection. And we talked about it that
night. Yeah.
Like, we've known each other for.
Yeah, very long time. And it made sense.
Remember Homer I told you about Homer, my wife's great
grandfather? Yeah.
Oh, yeah. Homer.

(01:16:48):
I I, I know home. I knew him while he was here.
And it was so sad that we saw each other when he was at the
end of his life. Are you kidding me?
Like he came to his prime where he learned what he needed to
learn. Oh yeah, and.
He just passed that on to you with just his presence.
Oh, totally did. I mean, it was, so it's.

(01:17:08):
Exactly what you needed then andwhat he still offers you now.
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy that connection in it.
It opened from that point on. I just, there was no denying it.
And I think that a lot of peopleget that confused with, oh,
that's part of my faith. And they attach the word faith
to a religion, but faith is not that.

(01:17:30):
Yeah, there's a lot of confusionand it's like people trying to,
as far as religion goes, I also grew up Mormon, but growing up
also with one foot in the spiritrealm, I had guides to say, you
know, tweak what I was learning,whether it's scriptures or

(01:17:50):
people. And I also like my parents is as
much as I, you know, have said how harsh my dad is, there's a
part of him that was incredibly intuitive.
And it's like, it's like something spoke through him to
me oftentimes throughout my childhood, knowing that I needed
that guidance. And he was really profound for

(01:18:12):
my girlfriend that way. He also, being the dark wolf
that he was at the time, gave methe strength to be able to give
my kids up for adoption, to givethem a better life.
Because I was probably more in my White Wolf where I was kind
of. Very subservient.

(01:18:34):
Well, I've, I've lived just as an old soul.
You kind of live so many lifetimes, you get targeted.
Oftentimes you you die horrific deaths oftentimes because you're
targeted, because being in this matrix sort of a reality, it's
like the what's the guy of the classes?

(01:18:54):
What are they called? Neo from Matrix or you know.
The. Oh, the agents.
The agents kind of come after you out of the program.
Yeah, when you're. Discovering Neo.
When people have programs and weall have them, we all have
programs, there's times I've been the agent.
There's times except, you know, I've been the agent one time in

(01:19:15):
my life. Never.
Ever. Praying on young boys.
Like once. Oh my God.
So he was tasty. It's kind of the other way
around. I.
Have to learn it yeah, just be like no, but regardless, like
where were we? We just oh religion.

(01:19:37):
So it came it originally the ideas came as amazing inputs for
this animalistic human that had this nature to survive, that
lived in our lower 3 chakras, ifyou know what I'm saying by that
where it's like survival food, water, sex, produce, shelter,

(01:20:00):
shelter. There you go.
And then the ego and all of that.
And we, our society is like formulated into such a way that
we're really being forced to like stay in that where we're
being taught by the spirit realmto kind of move ourselves out of
that. We don't need to always like
live this really low vibrational, animalistic kind of

(01:20:23):
mindset where we live in duality24/7 in the political realms.
It's in between men and women. Oh man, we, we could do like
5000 podcasts and not even coverall the details of things that
are going on as to what got our civilization to the way that it

(01:20:43):
is or that created humans the way that they are.
Because I think very galactically and expansively
just because of being tapped into it.
So it's really interesting for me to have to feel like I'm
pulling all this energy or consciousness from this other
place that thinks and feels differently, that brings it back

(01:21:04):
to this very humanistic way of thinking where it's like we're
talking about religion when it feels like that's kindergarten.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
And I don't mean that in an insane way.
No. No whatsoever.
It is a stepping stone for many people, but it's a place that
people can get stuck based off of a programming right.
Totally. No, I, I say that a lot.

(01:21:24):
I, I think that I'm there to be able to help them.
Yeah. Because I'm, I'm not there to
just follow blindly. All I keep thinking is that the
teachings of Yeshua was to love these people and they will love
you back. And so I do that.
And I recently had that like they, they have me teaching
class now and I'm like, cool, cuz I teach classes.

(01:21:45):
I just talk. That was the best.
Yeah. And I just started it out and
this guy's like, where are we at?
I'm in the lesson and I'm like, Oh no, no, no, no.
I just used the title of it. But we're going to go into
whatever. And it's hard for some people
when you talk about stuck because they just can't get past
it. You know, we've got family
members that are like. Right.

(01:22:05):
And that's because in our, like,animalistic DNA, we don't want
to, you know, rub ourselves against the crowd.
Otherwise, we'll be rejected andwe won't.
And change will have. Being abandoned from the pack is
not safe. It you die, yeah.
And that's what it is. So it's a fear thing of like if
I step away from this pack, well, I'm not safe anymore.

(01:22:27):
So it's animalistic, so it's so hard to break.
Use these communities of safety,and if you step away from that
safety net, what do you have? Death.
It's. Also a sort of.
Trauma like humans. Every human on the planet that I
know of that's here now is living as a result of thousands
of years of trauma. Generational.

(01:22:48):
Trauma, and that's not an excuse, but it's also not
something to be ashamed of. It's something to just recognize
as that's what it is. And then to take that and say,
like people are going to be in their programming of, of
religion where they're not questioning what they're being
taught. And the, the heart of religion

(01:23:12):
is meant to bring you closer to that divine source.
But that divine source lives inside of you, but also lives in
everyone. People always say, like you, you
have to go inside yourself to find yourself.
But in reality, it's like every aspect of your life will show
you aspects of yourself. Yeah, like I can learn from a

(01:23:32):
freaking billboard driving down the road.
You know, I can learn from how it.
Affects you, how you feel, interactions with other humans
and going oh shit, I did this OK, 'cause then it's going this
is me 'cause most at this age inour lives, 90% of what we do are
as humans is reaction. It's subconscious.
So you're not even thinking it is your programming.

(01:23:55):
So you're literally following your programming of your life
going well, no, I'm different. You're just following your
programming. And it's like the the baseline
of programming is fear, is fear of being rejected and ultimately
dying. I went through a near death
experience when I was around theage of 21 and also when I was
about 30, something like 30. And when I went through that, I

(01:24:20):
and just being kind of the kind of person that I am, I had to
learn to not care so much about what people think.
Doesn't mean I don't care about the people.
It just means that it's not going to control my thoughts,
feelings and actions. It still does to some degree,
even to this day. Because we are human.
Because I'm human, I have a body, but ultimately I say

(01:24:43):
things that out of something that sounds incredibly
controversial, but not with maleintent in my heart.
It's to share out of love. Even if it's like harsh, even if
it sounds harsh, it's out of saying like we all need to be
aware of this. It's important for us to self

(01:25:04):
evaluate or it's important for us to recognize this in our
society. And is this something that we
want to continue to do or do we want to move out of this trauma
mindset and transcend it and become something better?
I'm OK. I'm kind of hearing like to talk
about the political arena for a minute, kind of go from like

(01:25:27):
religion to politics for a second.
So if you look at politics, it'svery we we look at it like it's
one of those things that controls our lives and it does
to some degree. It is part of the Co creation
and it is part of the collectiveCo creation because we've all
been taught to, you know, like depend on the government and it

(01:25:51):
can tell us what we can and cannot do, whether we obey it or
not as a different story. But it's still there, right?
So if you look at things in a dualistic perspective,
everything in this reality has that dualistic energy.
I would have to consider like left wing type ideologies very

(01:26:11):
feminine in nature and right wing very masculine in nature.
And I look at it like neither ofthem are good or bad, but each
of them has positive aspects anda distorted aspect to it.
Distorted. That's a good word.
And it always comes with an pureintention at its heart, at its

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root. I'll give you an example.
Let's talk about left wing kind of ideologies for a second.
So left wing people have a tendency to think of the
community, to think of everybody, which is a very
feminine trait. They think of like, how is this
going to affect everybody? How they want everyone to feel
safe. They want everybody, everybody

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to feel included. They want their feelings to be
heard. They want to feel like they're
not powerless and just feel likethey're insignificant or they're
overlooked or they're a minorityin some way, right?
They want to include everybody in some way.
The distorted or the wounded part of the feminine is that

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youth, like the female energy can sometimes get so wrapped up
in the emotional part of it thatit's like the logical part goes
out the door. It's like, should we really let
men into the bathroom with? Vulnerable.
Young. Young girls, that's inclusive to

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do that, but is it healthy to dothat?
And it creates that really strong distortion where it's
like it crosses the boundaries. And with any and every
relationship we have in this world, whether it's with us and
our government, there needs to be healthy boundaries, period,

(01:28:02):
period. And then there's other things we
can go on talking about the different political ideologies
and whatnot. But on the masculine side, which
is the very right wing, is like,this is my money.
I want small government. You can't take my money.
I've earned this. I've worked hard for this.

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I deserve this. My family deserves this.
I'm going to use guns to protectme, myself and I, my family and
everybody that I care about. It says I have full control over
how I want to do things, regardless of how it affects
another person, if I think it's the right thing to do or if it

(01:28:44):
benefits me. And there's part of it that can
get very distorted and very selfish where it doesn't think
about how other people think perSE.
But it's not wrong either in whyit wants what it wants, right?
And on the flip side, well, I guess I'm kind of mixing the

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two. The the masculine energy of
right wing is like, shoot, how do I hold on?
It's coming. It doesn't stop to think how its
actions affect other people as much.
It's like boundaries, barriers, borders, lines drawn in the
sand. We need that healthy boundaries.

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But it can also be toxic in the sense that, like, you know,
you're hoarding, you're greedy, you're selfish.
That's the negative aspect of the masculine.
So how to counter it is for the masculine and the feminine or
the left and the right to see why we think the way we think.
Why? Why do they think that way?

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What is in their heart? What is their intentions?
Why do they want guns? Why do they want to feel
inclusive? And once we understand the
perspective of the other, whether we think it's distorted
or not, there is always something that's pure about it
at its core. At its core, and that's human

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nature just wants to feel accepted and safe in both
aspects, in both arenas. And if we can understand each
other, whether we completely live that way or not, it can
create balance and we can learn to work together instead.
It's just the negative energies that everyone has that's out
there when it comes to discussions on politics that

(01:30:35):
it's like there I don't see manyproductive conversations because
of that. You know that it just no
solutions ever happened because no one's truly trying to
understand the why is everyone. 'S trying to be right.
Always. Yeah, it's true, right?
Because if you're right, I'm wrong.
And that leads to fear, and we're fear driven as a human.

(01:30:58):
It's like, I don't want to be wrong.
Yeah, if I'm wrong, that's. Part of that.
Prime. Then I'm not safe.
Something's happened because I fucked up.
Couldn't it just be an opportunity to learn?
Yeah, like that's that's all. Or to be.
Patient and to be understanding it's like, OK, well, they don't
have that knowledge yeah. And that's like you talk about
like being an old soul. It's like you can.

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You tend to start when you realize more about that, you
tend to have more patience. Yeah, exactly.
And you're like, no, that's OK. Yeah, maybe that's why I'm such
an old man driver. No, no, go ahead, go ahead.
Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. I'm that guy.
I'm the opposite. I'm like speed demon on the.
Road, but just. Like random.
I used to be, I drive like an athlete where I'm like I'm

(01:31:43):
feeling the flow and I'm going, yeah, but I'm very considerate
at the same. Time I try and not cut everyone
off. I look at all my gaps.
I'm very aware of all my spacingand I I'm very good at timing.
So I look at it and I'm like, they're going this speed, I'm
going this speed. If I speed up this, I can make
that gap and not cut them off. I don't ever worry because I'm

(01:32:04):
like way more aware when I'm driving.
And then I look at everyone else.
I'm like, they're on their phones, they're not fucking
paying attention. And so then I become incredibly
frustrated behind the wheel. You know what I think?
And that's. Where I've had to learn, like,
chill the fuck out, you're just here.
You cannot control them. Yeah, do not bother.
If I'm just driving and I'm on my own and I've got like some

(01:32:25):
synth wave music playing, all I'm thinking is wow, this place
is pretty amazing. I think that every day, like I'm
driving. Too, But I'm doing it as I'm
going like 100. Miles no, I've I've like I've
like the Subs there. I'm like wow, people built these
things like I'm so especially ifI'm elevated, I'm like so

(01:32:47):
appreciate I I tell guys at the at Walmart if I see them
randomly like stalking, they look pissed off.
I'm like, thank you for being here and doing that.
Yeah, The guy looks at me, goes what?
I'm like, yeah, thank you for putting it on the shelf cuz
nobody would be able to get that.
I'd have to make it. You're performing magic in front
of me, dude. Thank you.
And the guy goes, all right. You know how much that made his

(01:33:10):
day? Probably did you acknowledging
him. He will never show it to you, he
may never even admit it to himself, but swear to God that
really affected. Him.
But I think we we have that ability to be able to change
your world, your reality. It's something that Chris Voss
talks about to bend their reality to make them see what

(01:33:31):
can be instead of giving them opposition.
So it's not looking at differences.
That's why I love children so much, especially little kids.
Like I see my boy. Yeah.
You know, the only thing you know is his favorite wrestlers
are either Polynesian or black guys.
I'm like, yeah, you get. And.
And it's so cool that he doesn't.

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And I was like, which guy you pick?
He goes, Bobby Lashley is not the big black guy.
Because when you get older, you allow yourself to get kind of
into these little segments. But I just don't see it that
way. Yeah, right.
I just see it's like, man, that guy's got a cool accent.
I wonder if I can imitate it. Can I pay you a compliment for a

(01:34:13):
second? For as long as I've known you,
Jesse, and of all the men that I've interacted with at the age
that we were at in junior high and high school, you had to be,
how do I say this like the most kind hearted, open, friendly.

(01:34:35):
What's the word? Let me, let me see, you had more
balance inside of you between your masculine and your feminine
side than any other man that I had encountered at that age and.
That's incredible. It is, and I mean.
That age, yeah. I mean that because the program

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for most men is hide your emotions, don't tell people it's
about competition. You don't want the guy to know
that he's doing a good job because you want to be above
him. Yeah.
And you've always had this like inclusive in the sense that you
want people to feel good becausewhen they feel good, you feel
good, and that you always treated me with respect that

(01:35:18):
way. At.
A young age. And it always stood out to me
that you not only were friendly towards me, but genuine and you
deeply cared about what I actually was going through,
which I was going through a lot in that, you know, time in my
life. And I knew you knew that.

(01:35:39):
Not to the degree that you know now, but it always like made
things easier. I'm like, oh, there's at least
one dude out there that's like. Not trying to get into your
parents, yeah. That cared, that cared about my
heart, not just like, hey, let'sbe friends with the girl.

(01:36:01):
Yeah, no, they wanted to be friends with the human, like
know you as a person. Exactly.
Yeah. Me as the soul that I am, not
just because I'm a girl. Yeah, you know.
Yeah, I always saw you that way.Yeah, but I've always known you.
Yeah. Which is crazy, right?
I mean, we were. This is crazy, dude.
Like we this is how we were whenwe met each other when we were

(01:36:21):
thirteen. Yeah.
And there's just just instant connection.
We just start talking da da da da and it wasn't like somebody
was going to and nobody ever asked us like hey, you guys like
together or something. Nether, we just talked all the
time. Yeah, I was kind of connected.
Do you remember Speaking of junior high?
It just came to me. Do you remember the Bean twins?

(01:36:44):
Funny you should say. That so Gary only had one nut.
That's hilarious, no? No, no, no.
How did? You know that.
Because he told us all about it.We were in science class and the
doctor and that doctor, fucking doctor, the the teacher for the
class, we were talking about dissecting animals and stuff and
he said the gonads. And Gary goes, I only have one.

(01:37:08):
Wow. And and everybody goes over
there. He goes, yeah, I got one.
And this kid goes, how did you do it?
And he goes, so you should nevertwist them.
Oh my God, he did it to himself.Yeah, he just kept twisting.
A poor kid. He thought it was.
He's trying to push himself and he crushed.

(01:37:29):
He did. He cut off all the circulation
to that one testicle and then itdied and then they had to take
it out. So he's just rocking that.
Maybe a marble? OK, OK, so get the bean twins.
Yeah. Do we remember about them other
than the one? No, I just remember junior high
like when you said that all these images of junior high walk
Oh, Canyon Junior high really like all of the hallways right

(01:37:51):
now. I can see him.
I remember I had this history class that was a cool teacher.
He he showed us last of the Mohicans, the rated R version
and he didn't care at school, atschool.
Holy shit. And he's like, it says rated R
in here, but there's no swear words or sex in it.
So you guys shut up. And I was like.
Wait, what teacher was that? He was an old guy.
What was? It I forgot his name.

(01:38:13):
Oh, wait. What did he teach?
He taught history. OK.
Oh, Mr. Sumner. Yes, Mr. Sumner, it.
Was like, yeah, he didn't care. I loved that one, Yeah.
He was. So teachers back then were
different. They they just let you have it.
They didn't fucking care. Like when I was a little kid, I
remember there was hell yeah dude, I got hit with a ruler,

(01:38:33):
dude, cross my hands cuz I kept fidgeting in this Polynesian
woman. She just went Wham.
And I'm like, gosh, she goes, stop moving your hands.
Yeah, I didn't get smacked, but they would have if they had that
then because I got new inventionof triple black in class because
they had these card turning systems.
Yeah, and they only had purple until my older brother got in

(01:38:55):
there, and then they invented black.
And then I came the next year and they invented triple black
because I had to keep turning mycard.
Oh. For behaviors for.
Behaviors and shit. Wow, yeah.
Whatever band you were just, youknow, that's another thing too,
when they attack our children totry to just get them to not
think. Yeah.
And not utilize some of the things like ways that even the

(01:39:17):
technology we have now, like when you were talking about
that, like immediately I went tothe pyramids and understanding
like, you know, that what? There's a temple in India, you
know, it's carved and they keep.Yeah.
And there's no way. Yeah.
Yeah. Ancient like.
They had because I, I, I keep feeling this really strongly.

(01:39:41):
It's because they weren't kept from being able to advance that
way consciously. Yeah.
But cataclysms and whatnot happen all the time, and so
there's resets. So are we going to talk about
aliens now? Because you're going down that.
Road. Let's go, aliens.
Here we go. That's where are you originated.

(01:40:03):
From well, no, no, like that. I asked about that one before,
but yeah, take it out. Take it away.
Here we go. Yeah, Yeah.
It it's really challenging for me because I always want to go
like back to the beginnings of the universe.
So it's hard for me to like kindof start somewhere in the
middle. So you you've you've been

(01:40:24):
abducted before. Yeah.
OK. I'm pretty sure the.
Only thing that pops in my head is anal probing so you're going
to have to give me a better likestory.
Or something. Dude mates never yuck.
Someone jumps. I know I'm not.
Saying it's a bad. Thing.
I was just saying that's all my mind went to so because TV and.
Yeah, yeah. Well, like a lot of what kind

(01:40:45):
of? Shows are you watching?
What kind of shows aren't? You watching?
OK. Yeah, I'll send you some.
Links. Yeah, every time I come in there
and it's playing out the this TV, I'm like, what the fuck are
you watching? Goes children's programming and
he's just like, oh man. From India, don't even worry.
Yeah, exactly right. All right, so sorry.
No, I kind of wanted to cut thattension for you.

(01:41:05):
So go ahead. Thanks.
OK. So when?
When did you know what it was? Well, growing up Mormon, I was
taught that there's devils and that type of thing and I would
see them and feel them physically, tangibly, feel them

(01:41:26):
touching me, see them with my eyeballs, not just with my third
eye, which. I from how old you know.
I like 3-4 or five years. Old, so really earliest kind of
memories. I have memories of being in my
mom's womb. I have memory like being
empathic. I have the ability to feel what
other people feel. Even my mom in my womb.

(01:41:47):
And I knew what she was going through, what she was thinking,
and the craziest thing happened.Just give you a little story on
this. Being in my mom's womb, I
remember her feeling overly anxious about me coming, overly
anxious, like scared, which is like an understandable thing to

(01:42:09):
experience. You're like, Oh my gosh, I'm
going to have a baby. In the driveway.
Going to hurt, but the thing that she was going through was
she felt 100% and supported by by by my dad who didn't know how
to be there for her emotionally.He had not taught been taught
that or learned it. And so it like I was born
December 13th. I in the winter hunting season K

(01:42:35):
my dad wanted to go hunting. So he bought a permit to go
hunting and my mom's like, wait,Rick?
Oh, maybe I shouldn't say the name, but anyway.
We can cut it if you. Want beep?
Why are you going hunting about?I'm about to have a baby.
You're going to be gone for three days to a week.

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And what if I give birth to the baby and you're not here?
And he had been very not presentfor my older brother and sister.
And they were also very difficult for her.
And so I remember feeling that fear that she was feeling.
And I remember doing what I could to comfort her the best

(01:43:18):
that I could. And I remember, I know sounds
really strange, but I remember like my heart would expand and
then I could feel this flush of like fluids and energy coming
out of my heart. And now that I'm older and I
understand I was producing like hormones from my heart to create

(01:43:38):
a calming effect that would go through my body into the miracle
cord, into the placenta, into her.
And I remember this recycling energy going between her, her
and I. And since all things are
connected physically, mentally, spiritually, and emotionally, I
was very conscious of what was happening there.
So Needless to say, I remember feeling her anxiousness and beef

(01:44:04):
like my mom had. This is a rare occasion for her
to talk my dad into anything wasimpossible.
But he decided to stay home thisthis weekend in particular
because she was having contractions thinking she was
going to go into labor with me and she didn't end up giving
birth to me. So the following week and he was

(01:44:26):
wanting to go too. And she's like but what if I
have the baby and he's like you didn't last weekend.
Why would you this weekend kind of a thing.
You made me miss it last time. And it just made her feel overly
stressed to the point where it'slike by the time she gave birth
to me, it was a very stressful thing for her.
And I remember being an adult not knowing that story about my

(01:44:50):
dad wanting to go hunting. And I relayed those, like,
emotions that I felt in the wombto her.
And she told me the story of like, yeah, your dad wanted to
go hunting. This is why I was feeling really
anxious, like he wasn't going tobe there for me kind of a thing,
you know, She's. Been alone and 3rd kid or more
kids? Yeah, and I even remember being,

(01:45:13):
I think I was around the age of 1.
I like, I remember being able towalk.
It was hard for me to reach the doorknob.
I remember her laying on the bedone day and I was trying to open
up the doorknob and I couldn't open it very well and I finally
realized that it was partially open so I pushed against it and

(01:45:35):
she was crying in bed one day. And I remember things really
distinctively as far as like visuals.
I'm very visual person, so I remember she had roses on her
bedspread and I remember trying to climb up, grabbing the
bedspread and trying to climb upand I couldn't pull myself up
because I wasn't strong enough. And then she kind of was shocked

(01:45:58):
and was like, Oh my gosh, somebody's in here.
Turns down and sees me laying ortrying to climb up the bed and
tears are coming down her face and I see her and she pulls me
up onto the bed. And the moment I touch her, I
feel all of her pain and sadnessand I start crying.

(01:46:19):
And I hugged her with my little arms around her head and with
the best to my ability, I said, mommy, it's OK, it's OK.
And I remember absorbing all of her pain during that time.
And I recognize I could make herfeel better doing that, but it

(01:46:40):
was really hard for me and beingso little, having those
memories. And I think why I remember them
is because spirit allows me to so that I can understand what
I'm supposed to be doing here and what's happening to me,
what's been happening to me all along, to understand my empathic
abilities, etcetera. So I was a lot more pure

(01:47:03):
energetically as a child that I could transmute energy a lot
more easily. And when I talk about these
things, I want people to understand too, that we all have
these abilities. Every single one of us has
empathy inside of us. Unless you're a psychopath.
We might have a few of those, unless you're.
Like keeping people or, you know, torturing lots of things.

(01:47:25):
Not you, sorry. We all have these abilities to
tap into people. So I'm not, you know, like I've
learned it and I've experienced it, but everybody had this has
this ability. And the more you open up to your
abilities, whether you're clairsentient, clear cognance,
where you hear things, the more we open up to these abilities

(01:47:48):
and start trusting ourselves andtrusting our guidance and our
that divine guidance from both outside of us and inside of us
both, the more it will heighten those abilities within us.
And so I've had this kind of course in life of doing that at
a young age in order for me to teach people how to remember, to

(01:48:09):
tap into their own abilities so that they could apply it to
their life and it could help them grow, heal, and transcend
like the lower vibrational consciousness that we've been
programmed into to being. So I do have memories of seeing
dark things when I was little, tangible physical things.

(01:48:32):
So I to answer a question, we'regoing in a roundabout way to
answer your question as far as like when did I start
remembering? At a very young age, I could see
dark things and stuff. But I remember my dad would
often times spank me before I went to bed and I would see.
As a chore. Kinda.

(01:48:52):
Like it was spank amper go to bed is.
There a regular. Thing I'm so sorry.
Yeah, it was hard on me being sensitive as I was, especially
when I wasn't doing anything wrong.
It was like. You were just being kid.
Go to bed. Yeah, go to bed.
Yeah, and I remember like I would, my dad would be

(01:49:16):
screaming, yelling, and I'd see this vein pop out of his
forehead, right? I could do a spit flying but
then his face would transform into something else and his
voice would double up a little bit and I could see an entity
attachment to him like yelling at me.
And I felt like my dad had both good things talking to me

(01:49:39):
through him, but also not so good things obviously.
And then what happened was when he left the room, whatever it
was that was attached and would stay in the room with me.
And I remember even to remember being young in Utah.
So freaking hot that you don't want to sleep with a blanket,

(01:50:02):
no. You're.
Sweating so I remember being really hot, but I couldn't not
sleep with a blanket because I didn't want the things to touch
me 'cause they were touching my leg or touching me and I could
physically feel it. So as far as like my original
abduction. Was it more connected to that?

(01:50:26):
I experienced both entities, butalso tangible physical things
that would come into my room. And I think the reason because
they have the ability to like wipe your memory, right?
Aliens too. And so does the government.
Let's just say that secret government.
Yeah. Secret Space program.
So they they have the ability towipe your memory, but I feel

(01:50:50):
like they would make me rememberthat to keep me in a state of
fear because I was hard to program being as sensitive as I
was to understanding what was really going on.
And so they allowed me to remember specific things.
I remember smells like dead rotting flesh, like a dead body

(01:51:14):
in my room. I remember red eyes, scales,
claws. I remember greys, that type of
thing. Oh, so yeah, I feel like there's
how to. How do I describe this?

(01:51:37):
Aliens have a more expanded understanding of how humans work
and how the energetic realms work, so they're aware of who we
are as individuals. When we're born verse through
several different faculties and I'll give you an example.

(01:52:00):
When you have when you're born, your spirit holds a frequency, a
tone and specific colors, and they have technology to be able
to read it and measure it. They also keep an eye on this
type of thing. And so they know when certain

(01:52:22):
beings or people are being born.And there was a period in time
where we had an influx of infiltrators in a good way,
where there were beings from a higher dimensional place coming
in and being born as humans. This is the Indigo children.
Have you heard of them? Yeah, of course.

(01:52:44):
Yeah. And I'm not saying you are
either because, yeah, I'm still getting to know your brand name.
That's super awesome. That came in as, like, the white
blood cells in the body. That's like, OK, let's clean up
this place a little bit, try andrepair as much as we can and
help people be a better version of themselves and heal the body,

(01:53:06):
that type of thing. So they targeted specific people
and that's why we've experiencedlike really hard things in life,
hard relationships, hard upbringing.
Another part of why I feel like us as souls that have come into
the world at this time is also because part of our mission is
to transmute the negative energythat's stored in the collective

(01:53:30):
that keeps people in a dark programming.
And that's what Yeshua did when he came to the planet too.
Part of what he experienced in the Garden of Gethsemane is he
was transmitting a lot of dark, heavy consciousness along with a
lot of other people and beings that were doing that
simultaneously with him there. And I could tell that story at

(01:53:52):
some point. I don't feel like now's the time
for it, but. That's OK.
So yeah, aliens. Aliens.
So what? What did you believe on aliens?
Would you know? OK, so how humans were created

(01:54:13):
we originally we originally werecame from other star systems.
OK. The the original blueprint of a
humanoid being came from other star systems.
And then there were wars that occurred there that created a

(01:54:37):
refugees going out to other locations.
And at one point humans fell in frequency and ended up in a
pocket reality which is where weare now feeling consciousness
vibration and also into this realm, into this planet.

(01:54:57):
And then our DNA was manipulatedby factions of those beings
where they took our pure like divinely created being and they
altered our genetics to a lower.That's why we have 12 strands
that aren't fully active or onlya portion of our brain is

(01:55:20):
because they shut those parts ofour genes down.
That's why our telomeres only allow us to live to a certain
age and why in like scriptures or ancient texts they talk about
beings living for at least 1000 years type of thing is because
they dropped us. And if we talk about resets,
they reset not only our DNA, butthey also reset the Earth in the

(01:55:43):
sense that they can alter the, the weather and the hemisphere
and the oxygen levels, which allow us to like not be as
conscious, etcetera. You know, so they, they kind of
target us at a physical level, but also spiritual
simultaneously, right? So that's like a lot of why

(01:56:04):
we've dropped in consciousness. And I read in like an article or
something recently. I didn't read the actual
article. I just read the heading which
said, like most of the students in 30 schools in Illinois do not
read or write at their level of the age that they are AT.

(01:56:28):
And obviously that's deliberate,right, for government to do
that, to keep us done down so that it creates the control
mechanism. But from macrocosm level, that's
aliens wanting to kind of keep us suppressed.
Why are they doing that? Why?

(01:56:48):
Because they can harvest our consciousness, because we are
source consciousness in bodies and they can harvest our energy
because they're stuck vibrationally and it allows them
to continue to live and exist because they're siphoning the
energy from us. We're being able to control us.

(01:57:10):
Where like if you think of it onan economic level, we're
producing all the stuff that they want.
We are making the cars. If they want a car, we're making
The Jets. If they want a Jack, we're we're
just functioning. And if you really want to get
dark, they can harvest our physical bodies and produce food

(01:57:32):
from that, which they do. But.
I think it just sounds like the matrix then.
It's like Soylent Green. Like, I mean, it's it's no,
exactly. I mean, it's yeah.
Brandon, I I know you got questions.
Should we talk about the Anunnaki?
Yeah, sure. Yeah.
I'm very familiar so. Yeah, I'm sure.

(01:57:55):
It's kind of why I brought it up.
So the how do I say this back inthe time of Lemuria in Atlantis?
When we were on the planet, yeah, yeah.
Those were higher evolved civilizations where those beings
were 12 strand activated beings where they had access fully to
their 12 strands of DNA, which means that they are fully tapped

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in intuitive, like tapped into consciousness, tapped into the
source creation that they are and that everybody is around
them. And they created community,
right? So in Lemuria, it was since
we're talking about polarities and our universe is created,
created based off of the polarities in order for us to
experience each other. Lemuria was more feminine in

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nature, so it's very in touch with nature and spirituality and
music and arts, and they use a lot of crystals and stuff like
that. Have memories of living actually
in Lemuria. 2 of them in particular that I can think of.

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And then we had Atlantis was themasculine version of polarity of
our planet, which was very technical, technologically
advanced, and they had the starships and everything.
And you can look all over the planet where there's like if you
get on Google Maps, you can lookup.

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This is the Riccat chart structure.
There's like landing. Sites.
Oh yeah, look like stars. Have you seen them?
Yeah, yeah. And if you look on the planet
too, you can see that there's like hollowed out sockets where
it's like you can see bombs thathave landed on the planet and
sometimes they look like big craters.
That's why the the moon looks like it's got craters all over

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it. So there was a war that happened
in our solar system where 2 planets were destroyed.
One was called Tiamont and one was called Maldek.
And the Earth was actually, I, Iwant to say the fourth planet
from the sun at one point. And when Tiamat got destroyed,

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it ended up it was eventually part of the Earth was destroyed.
And then that's why we have an asteroid belt.
The asteroid belts are belt is the remnants of the planets
being broken up and destroyed. And that war occurred and
everything. So we're kind of the, again, I,

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I go back to human civilization is refugees are basically like
trauma from the wars, the ancient galactic wars.
And So what happened was eventually there were beings on
the planet called Sirius or neighbor.
There was one called Nibiru. Whereas some refugees from other

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planets came and they actually needed gold from Earth to use to
put into their atmosphere because their planet was dying.
Yeah, converting it into anatomic gold, right?
And they also were ingesting it and that's why you can find gold

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in mummified mummies in Egypt isbecause they were ingesting the
gold because of the frequency itheld.
And it also creates health properties on a physical level
as well, and. Monatomic.
Yeah, it's monatomic. Yeah.
Monatomic Gold. Yeah.
White powder. Oremus is another and another

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way to produce gold or manufacture it.
And then so they where was I? Tiamat.
Oh, so they, they actually in some ways infiltrated Atlantis
in the priest class and they started giving them technology
to say, hey, use this technologythe specific way and you'll get

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more power. Well since we had a fall when
Tiamat got destroyed, we went from like a 7th dimensional
consciousness down to 1/5 dimensional consciousness.
So if you're say we live in a three-dimensional world right
now, we went from 7th to 5th, which is where Atlantis Lemuria

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was. And then at the time Atlantis
fell was when we dropped down into the 3D consciousness.
And why we only have two to three strands of DNA that have
been activated and that we have access to.
That's why we're also stuck in the three chakras, which is the
solar plexus sacral in the root.So just to go back to what we

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were talking about, what was I saying?
Oh, Earth, Like how humans were created.
The Atlanteans, a lot of them had gone and abducted some of
the Lemurians and started bringing them back there and
then doing experimentation on them.
And why they were doing that wasbecause Lemurians, like I said,
already had a 12 strand activation inside of their DNA

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and they were trying to get access to that.
Because we had 12 strand DNA that was activated, that means
we had consciousness that could go to other realms.
So if you think of like portals or stargates, not only can we
conscious, like conscious in ourconscious, the spirit has that

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level of awareness, but we couldphysically travel to higher
dimensions where these beings wanted access to those higher
dimensions in order to continue to siphon the life force energy
off of it. Because they were cut off
because they messed their own DNA up.
They did things to feed their dark wolf way too much and they

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became very militaristic in nature and control oriented.
So they took a lot of humans from Lumeria, took their DNA and
started doing hybrids or hybridization programs.
And they still do it to this day, which is why abductions
happen, why Gray aliens abduct people.

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Some of them are like androids, but some of them are physical,
like biological Gray aliens thatare a future version in one
timeline of humanity who alteredtheir DNA to the point where
they can no longer produce humans and their race was dying
off. So they're coming back-to-back

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from the future into the past toextract our DNA to try and like
maintain their existence and stuff like that.
Am I going too far out there? No.
OK. I'm down.
No, I mean, I I Yeah. You know, you're drawn to
certain things for no reason whatsoever.

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At least that's what you think at first, right.
But I don't. I don't believe that.
And while you're talking to yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm seeing it
all in my head. And so that that it's not
because I'm creative, I'm just, I'm just seeing it when you're
describing all of it. Like I've, I've, I've showed
Brandon tons of stuff and Brandon gets into it deep too.

(02:05:16):
Like, you know, when we talk about Atlantis and we were
talking about Lemuria, like, youknow, my wife's like, how is it
the Polynesians are all the way out there?
And I'm like, oh, because of Lemuria used to be there.
They that was a small little part.
Is it in that book too? I think it talks about Lemuria.
Well, it makes sense because I mean, that was they were both on
different sides of the planet and in how that would look.

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And I mean the catastrophes, we,we just that the time is, is a,
is a construct. It's just existence.
And it's so funny because time is only dictated because we're
on the spinning rock. Like that's it.
Other than that, like you go outside of it and time cease to
exist. As soon as you leave the

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atmosphere, time doesn't exist anymore.
So it's like, OK, so it just goes on for eons.
And to think that, you know, we're at the apex, you know, I
got an iPhone, You know, it's just like, right.
Yeah. But does it take pictures?
You're like, it does more than that.
But be to know that like in it just there's a fall that keeps

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happening. It keeps going and going.
And this is becoming more and more, if you're paying attention
to like the world at large, likea lot more people are
gravitating towards this thing. They're being pulled towards an
energy and they're looking for answers.
And anywhere else from them where they're at, like what
you're seeing in Iran, there aremosques closing down like crazy

(02:06:44):
right now. And because they're just like,
well, this answer is not that one.
So I'm going to go to another answer.
But it they're, it's a good thing because they're in
transition. They're just trying to seek
something where they knew that they were dogmatic over here.
And they're like, well, let's goover here.
Oh, wait a minute, they're dogmatic.
Too. That always happens.
There's like. Multiple.
Yeah, cyclical periods of time where that's meant to be that

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way everywhere that the controllers know that that's
what we do, that's our human psyche kind of always gravitates
towards finding the answers of like what's happened to us.
You know, we're trying to find healing on a subconscious level,
trying to find like freedom again.
But I didn't, I didn't finish what I was saying as far as

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like, so they took the DNA to create hybrids to not only
harvest gold, but to harvest ourenergy.
And ultimately, what a lot of the ancient texts that we hear
about are some of these beings from other planets or, you know,
the Greek pantheon, you know, like the Indian Hindu ancient

(02:07:53):
gods. Yeah, the Vumana is like when
you're talking about that, I'm thinking about it, That's
Atlantean technology. And so all over the planet, we
have folklore and stories of these beings.
And these are just beings from other planets that we call gods
because they had abilities that we did not have as humans,

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right? And so in order for and, and
keep in mind, not all of them are bad or good.
But let's be real, if you have everything you need, let's think
of like Thor, the Thor movie fora moment, K, You've got Asgard
and you have like Odin and Thor and their civilization is like

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they've, they've gained so much like prosperity and beauty and
their lives are full of everything they need to the
point where it's like. They don't want anything.
They just, they kind of lose themselves.
They can become arrogant and purposeless, and they don't have
challenge in a way that humbles them.

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But then we see the story of Thor where he gets stripped of
his power, of his ancestors and cast down to the earth because
he hasn't learned his lesson yet.
And that's kind of where humanity is right now, where
we've become more of a humbled version of the macrocosm of our
ancestors, which are star beings.

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That is like, in a sense, like needed to learn to be humbled.
And I'm not saying that like we should be tortured or all the
bad things that are happening inour world is like OK or
justified in any which way. I'm just saying on a higher
consciousness level, source creator knew that that's kind of

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what we needed in order for us to put our big pants on and grow
up and learn to be humble and descend below in order to re
ascend like I was saying earlier.
Yeah, so. As you have to hit bottom in
order to be able to. But we still have that 12 strand
DNA because they extracted it from our original ancestors and

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so we have ability to access it,which is where our intuitive
abilities come from. Because what is DNA?
It's information, it's consciousness.
It is pure knowing. It is like it's code.
Yeah. Well, it is 100% code, yeah.

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Yeah, like quite literally, right.
Yeah. So as far as like we, we have
the power to break out of our conscious, our self-imposed, or
I should say our programmed consciousness to break out of
that to reascend to who we are, who we are meant to be, which is

(02:10:47):
like Thor reborn, kind of an idea where we're not fighting
for pride and power and arrogance.
We're fighting because we love people and we're willing to
sacrifice ourselves and, you know, be as supportive of each
other as we do it in order for us to like, have a sense of

(02:11:08):
purpose because we're all one and we're all connected.
And that's kind of the hero's journey and why we're all
experiencing being human. And people hate it, but my God,
I love it. I love being human.
I do, and I love people so deeply and so hard.

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Hard wholeheartedly makes me emotional actually, and I
probably annoy the hell out of people.
I don't really care. I've I've always felt that way.
Yeah. I've always felt like when I was
created, when I was created as abeing, I felt like I was created
from that heart of God. God, Goddess, the divine source,

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creation, and we're all part of that heart.
I feel like part of my purpose is to hold that emotion and that
energy here. And I know I'm here because I
love people. And regardless of if you think
I'm crazy or weird or whatever that looks like, right or wrong

(02:12:16):
about things is irrelevant. It's like it doesn't matter as
long as we can love each other and be supportive of each other
and respect that we have differences and that's OK as
long as we know we all want the same thing, which is acceptance,

(02:12:37):
a safe place to be community. We want to protect ourselves and
others. We want to just live and be and
exist and enjoy the sunset and enjoy driving down the street
like a grandpa, like Jesse here.As slow as possible slow.
They're going to say grandpa and.

(02:12:58):
I'm like. I told my son if he gets his
girlfriend pregnant, I I literally sent him a song.
It says anchors away and I said memorize that song because
you'll be singing it If you knock her up right now, he'll be
going, I'm not going to take care of you and that baby right
now. You're going to grow up.
That's. A good dad, yeah.
I think that phone's probably dead.

(02:13:19):
Is it on? I don't know if you can't see it
on the screen, it's dead. I see.
Yeah, I see a screen. Oh, it's still on?
Yep. OK, it's.
Probably just about. Man, this has been awesome.
Amber, thank you. Yeah, I.
Just didn't. This is just one of many and
I've got a lot of ideas and thiswas so awesome.

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Yeah, we got to talk about relationships.
I know that between men and women because that is like the
next level of where our consciousness is going and what
we need to heal. Let's take us out with that.
And oh, that's that's. A That might be a whole episode
on. That yeah, just really elevated.

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That's for sure. Now, this was awesome.
Yeah. Thank you for being here.
And yeah, you know, before this,Brandon, I just had this really
strong pole to keep reaching outsaying, hey, you need to come.
You need to come. And then last night I was like,
Hey, it's tomorrow. And she's like, oh, I work and
I'm like, cool. And then I get a text message

(02:14:25):
this morning at like 6 somethingand she's just like, hey, call
me when you get a bit. And I'm like, OK, And I called
her right after I dropped my kids off and I was on the way
over here. And she's like, swear you at
just like, I don't want to do this, but I need to do this
because I've been asked to. And and it took literally like

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these are the moments where I think about that, like our
connection that we have been able to build for over a really
long time. But you know, it's the same
thing where I I feel the same way as you do.
I feel like when I'm around whatsomebody may call kindred
spirits, but I just consider oldfriends and old souls and I'm
just like, oh, hey, what's up? Because Homer woke me up to

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what? What?
What is. Yeah.
And that's why I like since that.
I used to really fear death. I used to really fear death.
Did you not anymore. I haven't.
I haven't feared death in years.And it's because it's not it.
And who knows what comes next? But that's, that's the reason

(02:15:29):
why you don't know. And that's why it's so important
to be able to listen to that part inside of you and not think
you're crazy because I don't, I think it's, it's spot on.
Or just to understand that we'reall a little crazy.
Yeah, well, and we just get caught.
Yeah. Like those guys I know, yeah.
I don't know. I mean, we can call it crazy.

(02:15:51):
If you want, no I don't. I think it's really just the
definition probably or like people.
No, no, I I believe it's an it's, it's just an unlocking.
Yeah. You're just stable.
Remembering it, it's like, again, I'm gonna say crazy is
another way to just just say we we've been traumatized and.
Yeah, that's good sense. Of learning to heal ourselves

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and each other again and be there for each other.
That's why while. We're allowing ourselves and
each other to go. Yeah, I I like that explanation
a lot better. Yeah.
That way we can have more compassion on ourselves and
we're not a we. I mean, we're going to get it
wrong as we go, which is part ofthe process.
We're going to all of us believethings that aren't quote, UN

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quote true, and all of us believe things that are.
It's important for us to remember like our base values.
What is our base values? I'm worth it.
You're worth it. Are we going to reflect that on
our outer world in our daily lives?
Am I going to treat you like I'mworth it?

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Am I going to treat myself like I'm worth it?
Yeah. You know, like ultimately it's
like the golden rule are, you know, treat each other.
You want to be treated unless you're an asshole and you
deserve to be like met where you're at.
Well, it's, I think it's a Jesusthing of like love yourself and
love your neighbor. But if you truly love yourself,

(02:17:14):
not just like, hey, I love you, like truly love you, you're
going to treat yourself way better.
And if you truly love yourself and truly love your neighbor or
other people, you're going to treat them that same way.
And it's going to be reflected back to you because it's like if
you show up in the world as an asshole, people are more likely
going to give you shitty returned energy.
Their dark wolf is going to comeout because it's like you're an

(02:17:35):
ass. Right.
I don't. My white wolf can't deal with
this shit. I.
Don't write that down. Be nice.
Yep to. Others and all an asshole is, is
a wounded person that doesn't know how to do it differently.
Yep. And they're hurting and insecure
in their own way. It's not justified stopping an

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asshole if you are one. Stop being a bitch if you are
one. Yeah, exactly.
Let's let's make it equal. Yeah, Yeah, totally.
But then again, it it's all based off of your intention.
If your intention is like, I'm telling you the truth even if it
hurts because I love you, or I'mtelling you the truth because I

(02:18:19):
want to hurt you, because I'm pissed off and I'm hurting
myself and you deserve to like feel what I'm feeling.
Yeah. And it's different.
It's based off of your intentionand your perception.
That's not love. Love would hurt.
Love is honest, even if it's painful.
Yeah, but that's not an intentional hurt, like, hey, I'm
trying to hurt you. It's AI love you, and what

(02:18:40):
you're doing might hurt. And this might be a hard
conversation. Yeah, but that's very different
than this is intended to hurt you.
Yeah, like that dress makes you ugly.
Instead you go and maybe pick another one.
Well, that color doesn't really go with your eyes.
You should choose that. One yeah, I got in I got in a
little bit of an argument with my ex mother-in-law about this

(02:19:03):
because she's one of those people that will always try to
make people feel comfortable with her.
So she's like, you're just supposed to lie to him.
And I'm like, no, no, if it looks bad you I would want to
know if somebody. You know, it's like when you
have a bug. How I like right like.
And they're you're talking to somebody and and then it's just

(02:19:24):
like whistling. Oh, yeah.
And you're like, all you're doing is staring at that.
And I'm like not. Wiping your ass and you're.
Not yeah, I know, blowing. Your nose, my God.
What do you say I live like a Viking?
Caveman. But I remember like having that
argument with her and I'm like, no, how old word it is.
I would say if you like it, that's what's important.

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I don't think it's the most flattering thing that I've seen
on you, but if you like it, that's what really matters.
Yeah, don't yuck someone jealous.
Yeah, yeah. And that's honest and respectful
and she just had a hard time with that so.
Some people are really struggle with being honest and
respectful, right? It's hard.
It's really hard for some people, especially with a lot of
suppression that goes on in their lives and it's drama.

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They learn those actions. From trauma.
And it's like, you know, it sticks with us.
Yeah. Yeah.
You can, yeah, you can progress or understandingly.
Yeah, yeah, totally. That's how I give people wide
birth. I don't get.
Mad It's never too early to start, you know, They can be 90,
they can be 50, they can be, youknow.
Wherever they're at in their journey, it's.
Never too late to. Go hey when you want to be a

(02:20:30):
nice. Person Which wolf am I feeding
today? Yeah, right.
Yeah. I really like that concept.
Thank you for that gut. Yeah, that was.
I kind of altered a little. The story basically is like.
No, no, but you. Either feed your white wolf or
your dark wolf and the idea is you feed your white wolf the
more because it makes you stronger.
But in reality, to me it's like.You got to ride the long.

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You got to integrate the two in order for you to become the best
version of yourself. I think you just, you know how
to control or command both wolves and it's you feed both.
But you understand that yes, if you are, if you're driven and
pulled by one because you're notknowing how to control it 100%,
you will be driven by your wolves and they will, like you,
will have too. Extreme.

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Yeah, but it's like, I don't know, I have a dog.
You have a dog. You can also train it just, I'm
sure, the same as our Gray, likeour white wolf or our dark wolf.
I'm going, hey, well, what time am I?
Am I investing in myself to train these wolves, or are my
wolves running rampant because it's just not worth the time and
the effort to do it? Because I'm so stressed and

(02:21:34):
overwhelmed that I'm going to disassociate.
I'm going to do all these programmings that I've had for
my entire life. Yeah, you know.
Yeah, I agree. I feel like what people struggle
with the most right now at in atlarge, our civilization, our
society is really struggling to do self evaluation because it

(02:21:58):
all starts there. True.
So we're always looking at who is wrong or who's bad or who's
good, and we always want to put people in a category, which is
understandable because that's how we try to discern, like how
to navigate live. We want to go this way.
These guys are making all the money or whatever that looks
like, but. Diddy Parties.

(02:22:22):
Yeah. Bring out the baby.
Oil exactly right. Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah. But yeah, it's self evaluation.
The second thing I think we needto work on is humanity is
discernment. What is discernment to from my
perspective is it's it's like two or three-part 1.

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You got to discern like who you're interacting with in the
physical and the spiritual realmbecause a person can show you
one face and tell you all these things that maybe may or may not
be true. And you can hear them and be
open to what they're saying. But what's the true intention

(02:23:05):
that they're saying these thingsto you?
And it's, if you're talking to ahuman, it's always come coming
from a wounded perspective wherethey're just trying to be
accepted, loved. But at its core, like we
understand that even if people are doing bad things, that it's
usually because in some way it'sgoing to either protect or

(02:23:26):
benefit them. It's not a justification, but if
we understand it, we're not going to take it as personally.
It doesn't put us in that polarity as much.
We're like, Yep, I know you're hurting, but it's not OK to do
that. You know what I'm saying by
that? So discerning the intention of a
person will not allow us to takethings as personally and not let

(02:23:47):
people to take advantage of us. And we can still love them for
where they're at, but not allow them to be a part of our lives
if they're narcissistic, narcissistic in nature, or just.
Healthy boundaries. And the second form of
discernment is a like a little devil or entity could be

(02:24:09):
communicating with you or manipulating you in a way they
could even tell you lies which they do not or excuse me truths
which they do tell you truths. Devils will like tell 70% or
more truths to gain your trust in them, and then they'll twist

(02:24:32):
it in a way that gets you to change your perspective so
you're creating something different in your life.
And that's how you start feedingyour dark wolf a little bit too
much, if that makes sense. And it always is enticing or
feeds those five senses and those lower chakras where you're
just like, well. Food, money, sex, shelter, you

(02:24:53):
know. Yeah, and so discerning, like
discerning the spirits that are around us or the purpose of why
they're telling us what they're telling us.
And we don't have to be afraid of those entities.
I just spent not last weekend, but the weekend before in a
haunted house. By what?

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It wasn't intentional, but I've friends that I went to go visit
and I was staying in a house where there was a ghost there
and she was like knocking stuff off shelves and hitting plants
and doing all kinds of stuff andI was able to connect with her.
She was like a 5454 year old woman when she passed and she

(02:25:36):
was just stuck because she was waiting for her husband and she
hadn't talked to anybody for decades for as long as she's
been dead. That to the point where when she
saw I could see her and communicate with her, it was
like I was able to kind of help her release her grip on that
realm. So I was able to discern what

(02:25:59):
her intention was, what was really going on with her, why
she was stuck. And then she ended up partially
leaving the lower 4th dimension and starting to transcend.
She didn't detach fully, but I could tell she was like
processing through it. So she felt more at peace in the

(02:26:22):
end. She was like hover over me when
I say hover, she would lean overme when I would be sleeping and
I'm like, can't you just let me sleep for longer?
I'll talk to you in the morning.She's sweet.
She also didn't like the music that they would play at the
house. And she she realized she could
trust my friends that moved in because they have two pit

(02:26:44):
Bulldogs. They're adorable because they
treated them with love and respect.
And she's like, OK, these guys are good.
And then she talked about previous owners and stuff like
that and little children, so. That's crazy.
Yeah. I want to go to one of those.
And I could see what she looked like and where she was wearing.

(02:27:05):
She showed me like, her husband's body or something.
He had cracked ribs, and he diedsomehow from cracked ribs.
I think something punctured his lung and he couldn't breathe
anymore. So yeah, Speaking of what a
ghost is, is like a ghost or person that's lived that doesn't

(02:27:29):
leave the lower 4th dimension between the third and fourth
dimension where it transcends this plane where it can still or
realm where it's still having lived in a physical body can
like move physical objects and stuff like that.
And so can entities. They can, but usually ghosts can

(02:27:50):
do that more easily. This last part is all in audio.
Guys, we love you so much. This conversation could go on
for 12 hours, and this has been so amazing.
Amber, thank you so much for coming here and opening up.
I knew that you were supposed tobe here.
Yeah, and I'm glad I pressed you.

(02:28:11):
Yeah. I'm glad I pressed you right, so
take a deep breath. It's all good not.
Comfortable, but I knew I was supposed to do it and I.
Was like, well, somebody out there needs to hear this do.
It Yeah. And there's going to be a lot of
people that need to hear this so.
And you did it. Yeah.
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