Passing the Peace Pipe, How Joints Keep Us From Losing Our Shit

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I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse we're.
Cannabis school having cannabis infused conversations with
everyday. People.
Cannabis companies. Celebrities.
And your mom? Welcome to the sesh look dude
check that out it's got these cool little how is it magnetic
and this feels magnetic, but it's got these O rings in there

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too to keep it really sealed so you.
Don't. Oh, that's cool.
Yeah. Like just great design.
I know it's all like fucking just aluminum, but I love it,
dude. I I love it.
I love how you got this little carb here.
Now one thing I did do, I got a little too close to the tip and
I actually burned myself a little bit.
Oh, like your finger? But it was cool because what I

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love about it is just the designand the feel.
So let's do this one. Let's do our piss one.
Piss. Oh yeah, that one.
I was like, what are you talkingabout?
Piss one? Here's this little guy.
I use it to scrape out the stuffinto there.
Oh yeah, just 'cause I find it'skind of hard to get out.
Typically what I do is I just I just go.

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I just blow it out right after I'm done.
I wait and you. Yeah, but then I have to like
cup it in my hand or something 'cause otherwise 'cause I
usually do it in my house, so otherwise I'm not.
I just usually do it in the garage.
Yeah, and just tap it out. But no, that's a good point.
And I'm inside, so I just. Well, and I want to know if I
clean this now, you see how it'sall kind of copperish looking?

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That's just from heat, Yeah. But I'm wondering if if vinegar
would clean that right up. Oh, I wonder.
Yeah. Or or what the people do
ketchup. You can do ketchup just because
it has a vinegar in it, but people put ketchup to clean
jewelry. What the fuck?
Oh yeah, your silverware. Oh.
Just ketchup. Yeah, I had a silver and gold

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ring that I had worn in a mineral pool and it turned the
gold to like a rainbow colored kind of thing.
I was like, what? Really.
Yeah. But I was annoyed because I
didn't want it that way. And then I found.
Oh, I remember baking. Soda or vinegar in baking soda
would take it off and it returned back to normal.
I think it's just the vinegar. The baking soda would be

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abrasive, so we'd be able to cutthrough it.
But yeah, you. Just put it in there.
The baking soda was. Oh, aluminum foil.
That's what it was, aluminum foil, and it took that
coloration from the gold and putit like took it off, but it was
weird. Science.
Welcome back, kids. Welcome back.
Today we're checking out some ofthese sweet little devices from

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Dynavac. Yeah, these are aluminum and
they're these one hitters, but Igot to tell you, it's also a
self-defense device. Self-defense.
Yeah, you see around the tip, it's all like.
Jaggedy pointy. Yeah, but you know what?
This is really great for those tubes of weed.
If it's right inside, I guess technically they're only filled

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with weed if you put it in there.
Well, yeah, I mean, I don't evenneed.
I don't drink those energy drinks.
Like, what was that originally? It's Zipfizz.
Zipfizz best tubes you'll ever find.
Yeah, you can't get, you can gettubes from like a dispensary or
something like that to hold themin there.
I've had these like plastic onesthat we've had had with a rubber
seal. They never seal as well as

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these. Now, one of the things that's
really cool about the Dyna vape is all you got to do is load
your bowl right your tiny little.
Tiniest 1 hitter. Oh dude, it's so cool I guess.
That's not A1 hitter though because I go back multiple times
on that one bowl and they send us out the I Spire like dab wand
and this has their little attachment in it which makes it

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perfect. So cool.
Because you just set this in andwhatever temperature you want it
to, and it preheats clicks once it's there twice.
Twice you want to go twice or a little longer depending on the
temperature you have. So I have my temp set at 500°
and what I love about it, it flashes red until I put this in
and then it goes solid flashing orange.

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Yours is way higher. Mine's been 365 because that's
what I do my venti at. I do it at this one because I
get a a flavor that I really enjoy.
It's roasted, but almost the the, almost the feeling of roast
this, this, the smell of roastedcoffee beans, just a little bit
more. What's really cool about this

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one? And you can tell like I just put
this here, it'd be great if you've got like a bunch of these
and then you just leave this in the middle, see, And now it's
ready. I can smell it.
It's almost got like this burnt popcorn smell which I actually
enjoy. Almost a cigarette smell.
Were you smoke cigarettes when you were young, though?
Yeah. So I could see that having that
enjoyment or like that oral fixation that comes from like

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smoking oral. So what do you have yours at
375? 365 but I just turned it up to
425 because since you said it was at 500, I'm like, you know,
maybe I should try turning it upa wee bit.
No load, no load. Yeah, when there's nothing in
it, it'll. Love that it'll and the cool
thing is it will auto shut off but it's still on so all you got
to do is double tap it. And then it gets back up to temp

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real quick too. Now when do I take off the tip?
Oh, and it's cool and not hot. Here's how I've been able to do
it. You will hear it in a little
bit. It'll click when it's cold and
then now it's ready to be able to be pulled off.
So that's what I know is. On the way down too, just like
it did on the way up. And that crazy, I love the
clicks because it just lets you know.

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Now I turn my down to 375 because I really want to try
what you're experiencing right now.
You might have to get new bud for that.
And I use my sleeve. I know I still find it can be a
little warm. So often I'll use like a paper
towel or something and just go, OK, I find I need this little

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guy to get all of that out because it kind of doesn't fully
clean out the little thing. But if you're outside, all you
have to do is blow in it, like blow in the other side and it
cleans out all the bud. But if you're saving your bud
because, well, it's oh wow. But that's like black in
comparison. Yeah, yeah, I had it too high.

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But the but the experience I getis a completely different
cannabinoid experience because of that.
And it's so much harder and I like it because it hits harder.
But when it came out-of-the-box it was set to like 6 something.
Oh Jesus, that's and I didn't even check it and it was hard.

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Oh yeah. See, look at that.
That's so cool. I love that now, even though
this is used mainly for dab rigs, this is already set up
out-of-the-box for the Dynaflex.Yeah, the metal.
Ispire or not Ispire, Dynavap has this custom one that they
send out to you with that already inside that custom
attachment for their stuff. So have they given us codes?

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I don't know, but if we do have codes they are going to be in
the show notes. I think they.
Did. Actually, yeah, I think so.
We got to reach out to them. We want to get one sent out to
that doc. I'm just really loving this.
I haven't got as much mileage onit yet as Jesse, but I've been
pleasantly surprised. Yeah, I've been smoking this

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like this has been my go to. I have not used my stores and
Bickel for two weeks now. That's saying something.
That's only this. I've smoked one joint.
Oh jeez. I enjoyed it but I like this
more. The reason why is 2.
Two big reasons. One I rolled it, I'm not that

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great at rolling yet. Brandon is amazing at rolling
joints now. I've gotten a lot better.
I'm really proud of where I'm atso far.
Look at that. Look how much clouds I get from
that. Are you on the 375?
Yeah, well, that's what I realized is even after multiple
sessions I can still get big clouds from that.
Great flavor too. That's one of the things I

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really enjoy about this. I get a better flavor than I get
with Astorzenbickel now. I like the experience more
because sometimes I'm just like going with the time of what I'm
wanting might started to cool down.
And. I got the first click and that
lets me know that I've got a little bit more hits over there.

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There's a carb on here. I don't know why I wouldn't want
to. I kept my finger on and off of
it a little bit and I wondered if that changes the smoke or
that of the actual device. I want to say we have the owner
of Dynovap coming on the show ina few weeks.
Too. Oh yeah, we do.
We do. I'm really excited about that
because either Dynovap or is it the Clean torch?

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Both. I think I've got both coming.
Excellent. This is seriously like this
style. I don't know what style it is.
We'll have it down on the show notes.
This has been my favorite one. Cost wise they're pretty low
too. Yeah, well, and it's.
'Cause you it comes with like a lighter.
A lot of them do. A butane lighter because it'll
just heat the same and you just kind of keep it a little further
away. Yeah.

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And then just once it's ready, you rotisserie it and then
you're it's roasted. Nope.
Second click. So it's super simple and this
device like you don't have to worry about the battery dying
worry about still touching you don't have to worry about that
and if you drop it like you don't have to worry about oh
crap it broke yeah, maybe it might bend or something because.
I doubt that you know. But it would have to take a lot

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of beating I would feel like, toreally ruin that.
Well, and and the tip to it, it stays pretty snug on there.
I've never had a problem. This one has been my favorite
one just for the reason that I just I really enjoy it.
There is another thicker one maybe I don't know how to use
it. It's the Vong is the thicker
one. This is their something XL.

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It's like their flagship main one that's been.
Dude, it's money. I love it.
I love the mouthpiece. I like all of it.
Dude, it's like it's got this feeling like you're drinking
matcha. I just feel like I'm smoking a
joint. Like I feel like I've got my own
tiny personal joint and the perks to this versus a joint.
A joint I feel like wastes a lotabout it as I'm sitting there in

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between hits and stuff and it's just continuously rolling.
This uses such a smaller amount of bud and I can go back to this
same bowl 345 times if I'm hitting it at lower temps.
Yeah, I found that little tool just helps clean it out, but if
you're burning it pretty high, Idon't think saving it would be
something you'd want to do. It's still like dark.

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Super dark, yeah. I'm going to let it rest before
I load up another one, but that's a cool thing too, man.
Because, and that's kind of whatthis episode is about is random
shit. Some random shit.
Yep, just random shit. We're just going to talk about
random stuff. So one of the things I really
like about this is that one, it saves your weed, you're going
through far less. Brandon talked about something.

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Now I see joints as communal andas reflective.
If I am needing time to just kind of zone out and maybe I had
a disagreement with somebody that's really got me heated.
Not they made me heated, but I allowed myself to get heated.
I need to go outside and smoke ajoint because then I have time.

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By the time I get to the middle,yeah, I'm like, yeah, I was
overreacting it. Was really good.
Yesterday I handled a joint. Ellen and I had a little bit of
an argument and she just came upoutside with me and we smoked
that joint together and we just shocked and as the joint went.
Conversation chilled. We got better and it was by the

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end of it, you know, we were just, everything was fine.
You know, it's the reflective part that I really enjoy about
cannabis. It's, you know, I'm OK and I've
been seeing a lot of propaganda because it's the best way to say
what it is. I've been seeing a lot of anti
cannabis propaganda coming from mainstream media more so than
ever. And I just kind of laughed

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because they're like, oh, you'relike 600 times more to have.
I heard that a guy people keep sharing his shit and I found it
yesterday. Doctor, I don't even remember.
Did you see that other video I sent you SO.
Annoyed with him. Talking about runner's high.
Oh yeah, I love that one. But it was actually that was the
the when I watched that and you guys might have seen it.
I think I've shared it on our reposted it on our Instagram,

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but it basically this guy's talking about how runner's high
is basically cannabinoids, your cannabinoids system releasing
that. And so you are experiencing high
like cannabis high kind of from running, but you have to be at
this perfect percentage of like ratio to exertion.

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Well, and they used to say it was like endorphins that were
doing that, but endorphins can'tbe felt.
That's what they'd ultimately endorphins are going more from.
And this is pretty rudimentary and you guys pretty sure you
guys can correct me, but remember I'm not smart.
I just memorize things, but. Isn't that like everyone?
Yeah, but there's some really smart motherfuckers out there
like your brother. He's.

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He's really smart, you know, he.Just figures shit out that.
Yeah. I mean, you know how, you know,
real, you know, talking to people.
No, it's so great working on completely abstract crazy shit
and finding a solution for it. Hands down. 100% that guy can
figure out what's wrong with your car or your network.

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Or your your software, your hardware.
He just goes, oh, it's probably this and.
It's fixed. Yeah, All right.
Anyways, I got to go. What are you going to do?
I'm going to go buy video games I'll never play.
Yeah. This guy has always bought a
game that it comes out he has toget it and.

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His kid plays games constantly, so yeah.
Yeah, yeah, Yeah. Well.
I'm good. Really impressed by this.
Let's see, we're gonna pull thisup because I feel like this one
is not that much. No, that's it.
And they're just awesome. Like you know when you find

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products like bomb like even though when when we had an
episode where we talked about this magic bean.
Boom boom Oh, it's the M series so.
It's the M series M. Series.
Oh yes, yeah, like. BMW.
Yeah, it's seriously is, dude. It's like their flag show.
This is the M7 XL so it is 109 but you can get 20% off right

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now 'cause it's Black Friday Deals going on.
But they even have like polar night bun.
Oh shit, this looks like it's got this one and the short
little guy for $99.00. That's nuts if it is.
Holy cow dude, that would be a steal.
Now I know a lot of you are likedude, seriously?
Well let's think about this. When you buy cheap products,

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typically you're buying it for ashort term use.
Now is this magic beam going to last for a super long time?
I don't know. We're going to see we're.
Going to find out. We're going to totally find out.
I like the concept. I like that it's all plastic.
I like that it feels cheap. And easy to go and portable.
But 100% flavors, Well, I love this part here because it means

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it doesn't get all soupy. Yeah, it doesn't get hot because
it's cool and it's isolated, dude.
It's not going to melt in your pocket if you need to be on the
go. Yeah, I don't really have it on
me. This would be great.
Like an amusement park fuck. You Oh cool, OK those like they
so dynavaps all come out in thislittle handheld guitar case,

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metal case that's super tiny andin there comes these little
butane lighters and. Sometimes they're full,
sometimes they're not. Yeah.
But The thing is, is that you can this one.
'S almost out. Yeah, but that's OK because I'm
using the I Spire way more. But if you're using that on the
go, you can fit this in here. This is like the best little

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portable case. I know, right?
It's something you want to keep.Now, noticing that a lot of
products, when they come out, you just throw the box away.
You throw everything away because you're just like, I
don't need it. Yeah, but there's no charging
cable, right? I mean, if you get the Aspire,
this could be on the go. This would fit really well.
It's not going to get smelly. Nope.
Which is nice smell at all. You could keep like a tube of

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cannabis, which is. One of those zip phase tubes.
Which is less than an eighth. Way less than an eighth you can
fit in a tube. You could pack that probably.
Fit an entire 8th on that, you think?
Yeah, you pack it, you pack it tight.
I like to be a little airy. Yeah, because the flavors just a
little bit better. And it keeps a little longer
where the top part will get a little bit more oxidized and

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then the lower part, it's like super stinky, which is awesome.
But by the time you get to it, it's a little stale.
And if you misplace one of these, like I think the longest
time we've ever gone by smoking,it still was good like a year
while we had it sealed. Because they seal and they're so
good. Yeah, they stay so.
Dane like I don't understand whyother places don't just grab
that fucking tube and use that. But or 3D print the same like

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make some manufacturer like. There's so many options to do
the exact same style. 3D print. It'd be cool if I had it like on
the outside of it. It was like, I'm going to do
that with one of them and I'll bring it on, see if we can get
somebody else to make it even better.
But laminate a piece of paper and you just write on the
outside with a magic marker. Yeah, so it's there.

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It's not going to rub off, but it just says like this is the
strain. This is what it's used for and
times that work for you to use it.
Because that's one thing I've been doing too now is looking at
the time and I don't wake and bake anymore mainly because I
thought I was getting CHS. But when we had that dock on,

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guess what I have been putting into my and I've been noticing
only time I get CHS during allergy seasons.
So when he said you take a Zyrtec every once in a while,
I've taken 2 in the last month because I got the sniffles and
I'm like, what the fuck? I'm not sick.
Oh, oh, there are new because it's not a wet winter for Utah.

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It's super dry. So there's new types of
allergies that come during the winter time.
And so see like that dude, you've done two of these.
That's less than an actual bowl that you would put in a
vaporizer. Yeah, it's pretty small.
It's super small. And I'm getting pretty decent
clouds from this. Oh and the flavors are still

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really good. Like I'm going to lower mine
just because. Yeah, mine's 385 now, but I'm
probably still going to go back down.
I'm going to go back to 365, butI I really like this because
it's such a chill one. I know it sounds like just like
a review strain commercial, but it's just really cool.
It's a good device, good for camping, hiking, like it's just

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a small and it's. And it's a great gift, too.
Yeah. I mean, you come with a little
torch and all that stuff like. Christmas is around the corner.
You could go get yourself a little glass bubbler and that'll
cost you maybe 30-40 bucks, but it's glass, you can't take that
anywhere. You could slip this into
anything. This is so much easier to take

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camping. Yeah, because if you do have
like nice glass pieces and you take them camping, it happens
sometimes and they get broken and then it's like, oh shit,
that was way more expensive and now it's busted.
Well, and the thing that I really like about that, see this
how it comes apart to clean. Super easy to clean look.
At that resin. And tear the whole thing apart.

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Just soak into my soap. Well, then it's got these like
little O rings down here to helpwith the seal.
So it increases the longevity. It's not just a regular pipe,
guys. This is something that you'll
want to use over and over and over and over and over and cheap
enough to be able it well it it's priced right because you'll
treat it with more respect. I feel like people will be a

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little abusive to this thing andthat's OK.
For 20 bucks dude, you could spend 20 bucks on a meh plate at
Olive Garden. Yeah, right.
So skip Olive Garden, get one ofthese, and then for Christmas,
definitely get yourself one of these because it's super cool.

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Like if you want to go what? What's this cost?
They have a package on there right now that you can get the
ICE buyer and the Dynavap and itwas $149.
What? It's called their Evergreen
bundle, so. Get it?
Yeah, get it cuz that this is cool.
It also works for dabs. It comes with all the dab

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accessories as well. Oh yeah, the ice buyer wand.
Mm hmm, does. If you're really into that, but
I really like it for this specific reason. 1 is we could
use one. Leave it there dude.
You imagine a community, everybody having these.
Oh yeah, super tiny. Just pass it around.
And then you got a bowl in the middle of just fresh greens.

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Oh, so you can get the M7, not even the M7 XL for 89 you can
get the Vong X, the other one that is their new one that
they're touting the. Fatty.
Yeah, it's. Shorter too.
I don't like it shorter. They said it's great for like
putting into down stems for likea bong or something, so that
one. That makes sense.
But yeah, they have, oh, they even have a wood one that looks

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cool, but then they have the thecheaper ones for if you don't
want to spend that much, they're60 bucks.
Yeah, with the silicone. Yeah, those are really cool too.
So same type of thing, steel clicks does the whole same.
But it's just all the same. It's just different styles and
different features. But they've got all sorts of
ones. They even have one that comes at
the bottom, so that's cool. Millions of different options.

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We'll have the link below. You guys can check them out.
They're super interesting products and honestly, I've been
really pleasantly surprised withthis.
You know one thing I've been getting requests on online, like
through Facebook, which those ofyou that communicate through
Facebook, I fucking love it because it's like, don't ever
think. Like I remember our friend who
had reached out to me and she was telling me about her and her

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husband. Super cool.
Like she commented, she listenedto the episode where I had my
eye all fucked up. Yeah.
And it got fucked up again. I got needles in my eye again.
But it's actually better now. That's you guys notice I'm not
wearing my glasses. I can actually see Brandon now
normally. Dude, you're really fuzzy.
Oh shit. But.

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That's crazy. Take care, you know, it's not
even take care of your eyes. Just get them checked out every
once in a while. Guys, if you have type 2
diabetes, like I've been struggling with for years and
I'm changing a lot of different things so I'm not having as much
struggles at all. It's it one, it's diet, but two,
really talking to your doctor because like when I went and got
my eyes checked out, she's like,well, you have 2020 vision.

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You just are strained because ofthe vessels in your eye from the
diabetes, because diabetes is nothing but inflammation.
That's all it is. So when you and sugar gives you
a lot of inflammation. And pure shit for your body.
Yeah. I mean, in the amounts that we
take it in, like unless it comesfrom natural places like you

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could eat sugar cane and that would probably be healthier.
Oh yeah, but how many people aregoing and getting sugar cane
stocks and like, chewing that like none of us are?
No, and it's good. Like one thing I learned about
the sugar canes, it's good for your teeth.
How? So.
So sugar cane plant plantations used to be grown all through
Jamaica, Yes. And I saw this thing where they

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had them over there and the teeth, the the teeth of the
people around there, bright white.
Interesting. It's something they've always
done because if you think about it, it's really fibrous.
And while you're chewing on it, it's scrubbing.
It's a natural sugar sugar. There's a lot of really good
things that sugar does for your body when they come from the
actual sources not being processed and.

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Synthetic and yeah. You know, like I I like Splenda.
Not Splenda. What's it called?
Oh, man, it's a sativa. No stevia.
Sativas. I like sativas, but no Stevia's
a good monk. Fruit's not bad.
It's kind of a fruity flavor. I'm getting fish and chips
flavor. From that weird.

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Tastes like fish and chips to me.
Sam had my third one and I'm feeling great right now.
That's what I love about it. Like nothing beats flour.
Nothing beats the the smell likewell in like.
This doctor, Rick had said. No feedback.
Oh no, I hear feedback. Oh weird.
A wine though. A high pitched wine?

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That's a different one than any of the other devices.
Doctor Rick did say that if you are concerned about CHS or
cannabis hypermesis syndrome, you should look at flour.
Lower doses, How often? Frequency of consumption?
Yeah, maybe not. Do awake and bake, he says.
You definitely have CHS if you have to wake up to get rid of
the nausea. I.

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Like smoke to get rid of your nausea.
Like you're always nauseous if you don't smoke.
I've had that a couple mornings where I woke up and I'm like,
oh, I did not feel good. And a lot of it had to do with
my diabetes because it's I have low blood sugar, I get nauseous.
Yeah, I could see that. Lower, yeah, it would still be
high for most people. It's a very interesting flavor

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profile, I will say. Like it, can't I?
I like it when it's the earlier bowls as it gets further on into
it. Because it maintains.
That, yeah. And the flavors trapped inside.
So you know, over time like any of them, you'll get more of the
burnt notes and stuff as it getsdarker and you continue to go

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back so. And it's just a testament to a
joint just really levels it out and it's how your joints are
roll. I have learned this that if
you're not rolling your joints in the way that they should be
and there really is a right or wrong way, you are not going to
get the subtleties where you could smoke the whole thing and

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enjoy it. I find that if there's too much
space in the joint. It burns terrible.
Yeah, yeah, the flavour's awful.Yeah, it's not what you want.
It's. Like rough, but when you have
like a really nice tightly rolled joint and it's it's just
in the right amount, that's whatI say dude.

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Like I've only rolled 2 of them that I was like yeah but the one
thing with joints you need to dois roll it with fresh, freshly
ground or separated flour. Yeah, I find that if it's old
bud or like I've tried vaporizedbud just 'cause I'm like, oh,
hey, I'm here and I'm not gonna smoke this.
But it's good practice. It doesn't form.

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It doesn't shape the same way asnew bud does.
So if I'm even practicing, I like to grind up some bud, sit
down. You can do it pretty quick now
though. Yeah, most of the time, but
there's still like, I'm still new enough into it that there's
times that I fuck it up and thenI tear apart the whole joint and
start over 'cause I'm like, thisisn't it didn't roll nice.

(27:10):
But it doesn't take me anywhere near as long as it used to.
Like there was a party I had years ago where friends were all
sitting around and like, oh, we should smoke a joint.
And I'm like, yeah, I've got a cone.
And I didn't have a cone, so allI had was like joint roll like
papers. And so I had to try and hand
roll one because I didn't have my roller anymore.

(27:30):
And I'm like, well, shit, took me forever.
Couldn't get one even rolled basically.
And I'm like all right, sorry guys.
And I just gave up. I'm like, well, we can smoke a
bowl, but it's definitely a skill that takes some practice.
But it's, you know, it's a lot like preparing a meal too,
because when you go at preparinga meal with a little bit more,

(27:53):
not necessarily skill, but patience and time, the flavors
always better. I think that's the difference.
And it's like most things, we get too impatient and we try and
rush it going, Oh my God, if I hurry and get this done, it'll
be so much better, dude. But most of the time, if you
turn the temperature down just alittle more, you pay extra

(28:14):
attention, you're focused on it and you're not just so in a rush
to get it finished. The experience is better, the
flavors are better. Whatever it is that comes out
usually is a much better end result, you know?
Well, that that you what you just said, it reminded me of
this video of this guy posted because that this actually makes
a lot of sense what you just said there almost in life too.

(28:35):
Let me play it real quick. Remember to be patient when
you're becoming someone that you've never been before because
the person that you are growing into doesn't have a map yet.
And some days you're going to feel like you're moving
backwards and that's OK because growth isn't always linear.
Your new self is literally beingborn in moments that you don't
even notice. So I want you to be gentle with

(28:58):
the in between version of yourself because becoming the
person you're meant to be is going to take some time.
Yeah, it's looking at that, You know, we always want to be at
that end goal. We want to be at that, hey, I've
already arrived not realizing that all of those people who
have arrived, it's every day, every step that made that.

(29:20):
It wasn't. Hey, I've arrived.
It's well, tomorrow's another day and yeah, while in our eyes
we might see that or feel like they've arrived, they're
experiencing the same thing. Well, they're experiencing life
on a different timeline and exactly what you said it, it's
the normally there was a few weeks where I was at work and
I've been stressing out because you know, they're like, you need

(29:42):
to have two appointments set every week.
You need to make 100 calls a week, which isn't, isn't
difficult, but you know, it's easy to come up with excuses or
let yourself get derailed, whichI've done multiple times.
I won't say like, oh, we've got these classes, which we do.
We've got these classes and it eats up probably about 1/4 of
your week, just the classes alone.

(30:03):
But there's still a fuck ton of time between that.
And for me, there's a, a saying from, well, maybe he didn't do
it, but he, he used it in this interview.
John Cena of all people right here.
But Brandon's kids is an inside joke.
Kids always call me John Cena for some reason, but it's been

(30:24):
years now so. Super funny, But he says, well,
I'm better than I was yesterday and I haven't been doing like
amazing. Everybody at work seems to be
going faster than me. But what I realized is that
everybody thinks that everybody else is better than they are.
And one of the things that I find is very odd is that when

(30:47):
we're on our journey, other people feel bad if you're not
where they're at. And there's a guy at my work
that I sit right next to. He's pretty intense individual.
And one day he was just like, helooked at me like with these,
what would be the best way? Sullen eyes.
It's pretty much the best word I'm thinking of because he was

(31:09):
like, oh, dude, OK, is everything going to be OK?
And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?
He's like, well, you haven't gotany sets.
I'm like, no, I got one. He's like, yeah, but it's only
1. You have to have two a week.
I'm like, yeah, I know, yeah, whatever.
Like I can't change what happened.
And of course, you know, I'm gonna get talked to, but like,

(31:30):
dude, you only got X amount of appointments set.
And Yep, like, normally persons feel like when somebody comes to
tell you that you haven't done what they asked you to do, it's
not necessarily you didn't do what they asked you to do.
You just didn't hit the expectation.
And they want to know why are you OK?
This is an expectation we have. What happened?

(31:51):
And and I'm going to be honest with it, I would be like, well,
there was times where I let things distract me.
There was times where I had thiscall reluctance where it wasn't,
you know, like I thought about what made our experience at my
fast PC go so much easier. And it was the dialer.
The dialer made you, what's the word, accountable.

(32:14):
You couldn't beat the dialer. As soon as that phone hung up,
another call was coming through and you're like, and I loved it.
It was this, like this clip of John Wayne, and he's over there
fishing in this pond. And the little boy's like, well,
I don't even know how to fish. He goes, yeah, I don't even know
how to swim. He goes, what?
And he picks the kid up and throws him in the water.
And that's what my fast was like.

(32:35):
Actually, they were kinder to usthan the place I'm at now.
Like, it was learn so much shit about finance and health plans
and all this stuff. Yeah, and you need to know it.
And then after they're like, allright, recite it.
And you're like and then pizza. I've just been waterboarded with

(32:56):
this information. It's like serious out my butt.
That's how much there is. The way I described it to
people, they go so how's work going?
I'm like, oh, it's awesome. When I got there, they brought
out one of those mechanical riding ponies, you know the
ones, the coin operated ones. And they all look, give me this
look like, what the fuck is he talking about?
And I said, then I sit on there and they're like, cool.
And they give me this cool little cowboy hat And I'm like,

(33:17):
I don't understand what this is.And then they wheeled over like
this firehose and I know what's going on.
Anyways, I've learned a lot. I don't have my teeth anymore,
but I've learned a lot. They force it into you.
And it, the way I look at it now, it's like special forces
selection of, of being a broker,because it's like, you're going

(33:37):
to learn all of this shit and wewant you to apply it.
Now. You're like, all right now.
Yeah. What?
Now you're like, fuck. All right.
And it forces you to learn at a higher accelerated rate.
And they push you. And what I've been told is
they're like, oh, yeah, this part, it's called select.

(33:59):
This part's a Sprint. We want you to graduate within
two years, and this is the best way you're going to do it.
And so call reluctance has gone away, but for a long time, man,
I've been feeling really lame because did you get me in a
room? I'll close them.
I I can close the deal. But for some reason I couldn't

(34:20):
get the combo, can't get the call, can't get the meeting.
And I'm striking out and people be like, Nah, we're all set.
And I'm like, all right, sounds good.
That's so not me, but because I don't feel confident.
Yeah. It's like picking a fight and
they go, do you know how to fight?
Yeah, I watched 2 Jean-Claude Van Damme movies before I came

(34:42):
here. I've watched how to kick with my
right leg from 7 different angles, but it's the same kick.
Anyways, I can do it and I don'tfeel as confident as I did
before. You get me in talking about
marketing and business and all that other dude, I'm on point.
But this has really been hard. So I've thought about that.
And that video reminded me like,hey, dude, you're just on your

(35:05):
journey. Yeah.
So when I don't feel bad for people when they're not on that
journey, I just let them know that that journey is is tough,
but the reward is great. So keep going, keep going.
And that's where it changed. And then all the sudden, like,
I'm figuring out stuff. I'm getting faster on the phone.

(35:26):
Like, I know this next week going back, I'm looking forward
to it. A lot of people struggle to get
back to work after this and I didn't really want to take it
off because I was like, I'm in agroove.
Yeah, I hate when you're in thatnice flow and then everything's
like, oh, it's time for holiday and you're like, no, damn it.
Everything was like right where I needed to be, right?
It's OK. When you come back, you're like,
it's fine. It's right where I left it.

(35:48):
We'll be good. But in that in that weird like
remember when we would come back?
Like we can get a lot of days off at my fast but you, you got
to you came back from like 2 days off and you felt like shit.
You're like, that person didn't just buy for me right away.
Before you came, it wasn't a dialer.
It was you had to call, you dialed.

(36:10):
So when you sat down, it was like, all right, cool, here's
this list. There's a whole list.
All right, well, you better pickones and you call.
So the excitement was like, no, I just closed one.
Oh shit, he just closed 10. God, I got to close another one.
Like, oh, his name's on top. I got to beat him.
Like I'm not going down. So then it was this like
excitement of like, fuck no, I'mgoing to be up at the top of the

(36:32):
board and then realizing, dude, there's this guy who comes in
for like 5 hours and he's up at the top of the board.
Well, how do I do what he's doing?
Like I don't want to work 8 hours doing this.
Like, can I work four or five hours and do the same shit?
Yes, I can. Yeah, dude, that intense dude
next to me, he gets appointmentsall the time.
Yeah, I'm not saying he's closing all of them, but he's

(36:53):
getting appointments. Yeah.
And so I'm like, OK, he is like,no, you need this, No, no, you
need this. And I and I whatever happens
after that, I just like that result.
Yeah. And that's where I haven't been
hitting. And this last week, I finally
got into my groove. I I understand how to and
there's just times I know what'sgood for me, like what you're

(37:14):
talking about when other people are succeeding, we're really
close proximity to you. It's palpable in two ways 1 you
start picking up their vibe and you start closing and you start
feeling awesome and then you're doing what used to take you all
fucking day. You're doing in an hour 2 tops

(37:35):
and you're. Like, Oh yeah, walk around.
Oh yeah. Well, that was the best part.
It was like. But then I realized the more
that I got into it, the more that everyone else did.
And then it wasn't just our sales team in our room, it was
the entire sales floor in all the other rooms.
Well, I just closed the deal. Well, I'm not.

(37:55):
I'm going to walk across the hall to the other sales team and
go give them shit because now I'm on top.
Yeah. And then we're going to go over
to the other sales team and the other one and like, and every
time coming in and going like, it was just all this.
It was fun. Oh, it was a blast.
Dude, remember when they used towalk around like Collie was a
dumb ass? But you remember Collie.

(38:17):
Oh yeah. But you know, one of my best
nights there was when they introduced those plans.
Oh yeah, gold silver bra. And I hated that.
So I started calling it the careplan.
And then they changed the messaging to care plan cause the
first day they entered, dude, I sold like five of those.

(38:37):
Every single time I sold somebody, I sold it with it.
And I said, oh, this is our careplans.
We have our bronze, silver and gold care plans.
And because it was old people. Yeah.
And at the time, intuitively I'mlike, well, people hate
subscriptions, right? Nobody bought from Columbia
House going Oh yeah, 1 cent for all these CDs.

(38:58):
No. Well.
Netflix wasn't really big. No, everything was subscription
based. A magazine I remember wouldn't.
GameStop was EB Games and they would give you a magazine every
month and then literally I wouldget it every year even though I
didn't buy games all year. I'd get it because they sent a
magazine and it would be shit orread.
Yeah. Now you don't need that because

(39:19):
now you got your phone if you want to do that.
So it's like, what's the point? And they made it digital and I'm
like. I'm not going to go scroll 2050.
Pages of your no, that's where Iwould say like print is alive
there. It's like books, like physical
books. There's something about a
physical book that really gets you.
And you know, it's like saving your space.

(39:40):
Like it's great. I love that there's something
about reading that physical book, like turning the pages,
the smell of a paper like it's it's a different experience than
sitting down listening to 1 as I'm running around doing shit
or. You know.
Doing e-book like it's not the same.
I think it's good for the information, but at the same
time like it's like some of the best books I've I've read in

(40:03):
business. I own the physical copies and I
will go back and read those. And I'm like.
That was more impactful. And you know, it's like at work,
you know, my, my boss, he's, he's really awesome, really
pushes a lot of self education. And then he goes, OK, what would
you guys get from that last couple chapters?
And then we actually have to talk about it.

(40:24):
He can't just be like like, no, there's nothing there.
He is really on point of holdingyou accountable.
Like every Friday we have to present some of the cases that
we're going to afford with and the team helps you to build a
better plan for when you go to talk.
Like how crazy would that be? You're sitting with a bunch of
sales people that all have experience.
Well, some have a lot more than the others, right?

(40:47):
But they all have about this, but they have the same
information. And then the guy will be like,
hey, here's here's the client, here's what they're dealing
with. These are the plans that I put
together and that I think will really help them based off of
these things. And then.
I just think that's brilliant because so many people like
there's always 1 offs and how many people have experienced A1

(41:08):
off that has information or likestrategies that are just so
beneficial for the way this typeof process moves forward that no
one else has really run into. But then we go into it or their
mind just works so different in these types of moments that it's
they have this insight and having that brainstorming

(41:29):
capabilities of going into a room with a group full of people
all with the same end goal and all of the same, you know, type.
Of. Yeah, they're going.
Hey, All right. Well, let's present all of these
struggles. Well, how would I approach this?
Well, I might approach this differently than you and he
might approach it differently and she might approach it.
And so you're just sitting here going, well, how can we compile

(41:51):
the the best plan of attack forward?
Because maybe my insight or my perspective might have had
blinders on and I might have totally missed something was
like, holy shit, what that changed that?
And now this client's like your best client you ever had.
That's what's super cool about this is that one, this kind of
the the company I work for, no ego is allowed.

(42:15):
So you all have to do mushrooms before you get hired on or how
does that work? I know, right?
It is. It is one of the coolest
cultures in business that I've ever been able to see.
The reason why is like you startout depending on what and
there's a ton of different departments.
So it's not just like what my position is like what I'm called

(42:35):
is a select producer. So I work with companies that
have 50 employees down to like 20.
I can go down to 10, but it really it's not financially
great for a company to start around that.
But and then all I do is I find plans that help them to save
money and get the best support for the people because a lot of
people over insure themselves. Yeah, but when you come there

(42:57):
and you go, oh, I have this problem and I figured it out and
I'm all smart because you want to be a smart guy and it feels
good that can you win something on your own?
And they go, yeah, that's kind of dog shit or yeah, I agree
with you. And nobody gets offended.
Sometimes you get offended at first.
You can kind of get those feelings out, but they're like,
Nope. And my boss just is like, OK,
guys, what? What are we?

(43:18):
What else are you seeing here? Do you think that he hit all the
points and then everybody gets to interact?
And my boss, on Tuesdays we do role-playing.
No, Wednesdays we do role-playing.
He's like, hey, here's a productthat we sell.
Yeah. Now let's learn how to be able
to put this into speak of how actual people may understand

(43:38):
this. And then we critique each other
and help each other out and we go and when you said like this,
this is awesome, but use these words which are weak and people
think you're weak when you do that.
You need to seem confident because you're giving these
people advice. Yeah, you can't come from a very
wishy washy. You're supposed to be the
expert, so you need to appear asthe expert, even if you're still

(44:04):
new and not confident in it, which sucks sometimes, but it's
fake it till you make a thing oflike, hey, no, I'm supposed to
be the expert here. This is why I'm here, you know,
and it it's hard because it is don't have the confidence in
that moment of like, shit, I don't, I'm not really good at
this. I'm just starting like.
Dude, I've been there for three months now, Yeah.
And I feel like I, I just like, I don't know enough.

(44:28):
I don't know enough. There's always more to learn.
Oh, I know, but I, I mean, and there's a ton and it's funny
because once I start talking to somebody about it and then
everything comes fits in there and I go, oh, you're doing this,
this OK, I understand. OK, awesome.
What about these? This is it helps me to
understand you more and what your end goal is.
But before, when I sold something like especially

(44:48):
marketing, it's all feels. It's all like, OK, let's talk
about it, let's go through it. And even now, like I've done it
for other friends that have marketing and I'm like, they're
like, I can't close this person.I'm like, well, let me get the
juice. I just need the juice.
I don't care about money, 'causeI know you can't pay me.
I know you're struggling. So like Jordan and Wiley, I've

(45:10):
helped him a ton of times. Oh yeah.
And I'm just like, and I've beenon the phone and I'm just, I
just want the win. I just want the juice because
nothing feels better. Like I remember when we worked
that teeth, like seriously, the best dopamine that we got was in
that call center. Oh yeah.
And we weren't making, I mean comparatively speaking to now we
make shit, but we felt good. I was on track for six figures

(45:34):
there. Yeah, I know dude.
You were working your ass. Off That was my really big
disappointment when he came to me and was like, Oh yeah, I know
your pay scales now. 1/4 and I'mlike 1/4 of what?
No, no. Yeah, and it was all.
Greed. I'm gone. 100% greed.
Like, yeah. It's funny as the same guy that

(45:55):
ran that company still running those shit shows dude.
Yeah. Still renting them and you know
he's got another one over there which just supports his life and
that's all it came from. Like I remember years later we
both did. We went back for maybe like 3
shifts. There, Yeah.
Three. And I was like, Nope, Nope, I

(46:17):
can't do this. Yeah, like I came from actual
sales and I went back to that because I was struggling
entrepreneurially and trying to grow a small business like I did
the dumbest. Shit, this is boiler room, but
not great boiler room. This is like shitty boy.
Oh, and they were like, so hardcore.
Like there was a guy there, Cameron, that we worked with.

(46:37):
Yeah. And I started with and he was
still there. OK.
No, I mean, he's not there anymore.
He's got a great job at this other company and he's done
well. He got married.
He has a kid, he's cool shit guy.
But it was just like, like he stayed there and he was like 1
of you. He was a team lead.
But there was that, that one chick there, she looked like a

(46:59):
roadie for like fucking White Snake and Guns and Roses back in
the 80s and 90s. And she's like, I was living in
my car. Shit, crazy stories.
Dude, I know that Ryan went overto me and said hey person down
in their luck. I know you can work harder
because I need something new. So please get back there and I'm

(47:20):
going to inspire. I'm going to make you feel
guilty as fuck. That's what they used guilt.
All through their training was guilt, like if it wasn't for the
customer it was the company but it was never you.
They never give a shit about you, but they used to offer
things like Cooley walking around giving out 20s if you
close those. Certain random times.
Oh that was so cool. Or a box full of random shit.

(47:43):
I know here we have this random thing.
It was fun. Funny dude, right?
Sure. And then the weirdest thing, it
ruined it when Ryan posted thosethings up on the wall saying,
oh, if you get this many sales, you get any of these things on
this list, and they were ridiculous.
Like skydiving? You're getting a supercar for a
week. Like what?
It was crazy. Weird.
Yeah. Like a gun.

(48:05):
What? What the fuck?
A gun? What, did you look crazy?
It was like Ryan's Christmas list is pretty much what it was,
right? That's crazy.
But it it's just it didn't suit a purpose that was growth
oriented. And that's where I think now,
like, you know, I was talking toEmily a little bit ago and, you
know, she's gotten to the point pretty much what I felt from her
job. It was like, yeah, just depends

(48:26):
on the day. But it's it's a job.
It's not bad. It's not good.
It's just a job. Yeah.
And I think that's a good place to be.
You know, not all of us are going to be excited.
I love my job. I absolutely love my job.
I work a fuck ton of hours. I work.
I mean, I'm up when it's dark going to work and it's dark when
I'm coming home. Oh yeah, welcome to winter.
Right, welcome to Utah's winter.Like get this lovely smog at the

(48:51):
end of the day that I can see. So gross.
Here in the winter, it's so bad.But the thing, dude, man, it's
like what I look forward to. Like, do I look forward to work?
Not really. It's not something I look
forward to interacting with people.
So I've had to shift my mindset to.
I'm not closing people, I'm justgetting to interact with people.
I get the best job in the world.I get to talk to people.

(49:14):
Like that's the way I had to shift my mindset.
Yeah. And it was hard to get there.
But honestly, dude, the things Ilook forward to chilling at home
with my family, chilling with you, playing games online, you
know, talking about shit. Like I look forward to the
conversations I have more than Ilook forward to like a thing or

(49:35):
a vacation. I don't fucking care.
Vacations feel stressful as fuckfor me.
That's why. But it's because I'm worried
about everybody. But honestly, man, like I look
more forward to like these Saturdays.
Oh yeah, then going on a trip orbuying some fucking thing.
Like, I don't even I don't. There's never, that's my
struggle this time of year. It's like getting towards

(49:55):
holiday time and everyone's like, oh, what do you want?
And I'm like, I don't. Peace on.
AI don't need anything. I don't honestly know what I
want. There's nothing that'll like,
hey? If I had money, I'd like to get
other people things that they maybe need.
There's nothing like I need or this would bring value to my
life. I'm like, I, I'm pretty happy in
life. I don't honestly feel like

(50:16):
there's stuff that I'm like, hey, I'm missing this in my
life. No, and things can't.
I mean that's why I've been kindof, you know, it's catching.
I like video games, I like the Ilike make believe worlds that
are interactive. But even then I'm kind of like
like there's a few. Like literally the only games I
play are Insurgency and Gran Turismo.

(50:38):
Yeah, every once in a blue moon they're ready or not, but.
Yeah, we we play that every oncein a while.
But I mean, honestly, like if we're like getting online, we're
like, how are we feeling right now?
Yeah, let's race. Well, between, like, your work
and then Finn's been here for since Thanksgiving or a week
before. Yeah.
You know, just spending time. Yeah.
Which is that's the purpose is like you're looking more forward

(50:59):
to the time. And that's why like, you know,
you appreciate that more, you know, and it, it's, it's
awesome. Like, I mean, I know that Finn's
out of state, but you can't tellme that the event, the the time
you had now has been a lot more fruitful.
Oh, it's been great because it's, I mean, it's been 11
months with all the court thingsfrom it's just been such a mess.

(51:19):
So you know, it's been fantastic.
But yeah, I've been soaking up all the time I can have so.
But it's cool, dude. And that's the thing.
It's like, you know, people are really concerned.
I mean, we've had these conversations before all the
time. My, my mind, you know, I, I form
new opinions, which is healthy. Yeah, you should form.

(51:40):
New information should. I don't become dogmatic because
of that saying, hey, right now I'm I'm happy with the
information right now from me. And the thing that I've noticed
on time wise is that it's not necessarily wasting or gaining
it's quality. And so like when I'm at work,
it's to help me, it's. Garbage being pulled back.

(52:01):
Oh, I was like, is it the garbage truck?
Yeah, Saturday. They move it to Saturday.
Only on holiday weeks when there's a holiday and then it
pushes a day. OK.
But I just think about the quality time that we get to be
able to spend with one another or doing things that we enjoy.
I don't look at the work as like, that's my life.

(52:22):
Like, you know, the guy that's by me, he's pretty intense.
Work sounds like it's his life. And he's like, no, I spent time
with my kids. And I think that's great.
But he's so intense there. And it's because of the end
goal, which is to make more money.
And I really don't care about that.
Like I told the people, I was telling the guy, he's like, what
motivates you? There's a guy in North Carolina

(52:42):
and I said, it's not money. And he goes, what?
And I'm like, I know that soundsreally stupid, but I don't
really give a shit about the money.
I care about the juice. I care about winning.
So I'm like, I, I care more about that.
Yeah. And keeping them.
That was what was exciting, was always seeing my name or my
team's name going like, yeah, wefucking beat it.

(53:03):
Yeah, we hit that goal. Yeah, we did that.
Yeah, you get to do it all againthe next day.
I can take care of my family and. 100%.
I'm not sitting here stressing Idon't give a fuck how much money
I make. Is that excitement, that purpose
that like I'm bringing value andthere's something that I'm doing
that has meaning? Yeah, and and meaning for you.

(53:24):
Yes, that's it. And, and if it's a means like,
you know, for me, I'm, I, I think about like, what are one
of my biggest goals that I wannaachieve in life.
And I hear of other people and they're like, oh, I can't wait
till I buy a Porsche. There was a woman who posted
something on LinkedIn. Yeah, Yeah.
I thought that was great. Like, and for me now, like it's
evolved, you know, before it used to be like, oh, I can get

(53:47):
this gun or this car. And now I think about I can have
money set aside. So in case I meet somebody that
needs help, I can help them likewithout hesitation.
Because you know, when I see somebody begging on a street
corner, like, hey, you know what, that's OK.
That's that's where they're at. And if I can help them, sure,

(54:10):
you know, But I care more about like, say, somebody who is
struggling so bad and they've got nothing but drive, but
they're just being held down by the weight of the world.
I just want to be able to go over and because so many have
done it for me, just go over andjust like, hey, man, what's
going on? Like fucking behind two months

(54:30):
in rent and I got all this shit.Can't feed my family.
It's fucking hard. But we're doing the best we can.
Yeah. Dude, what do you how much do
you need right now? I need this amount.
Fantastic, which are Venmo. Pay your bills, get your shit
done, focus on growing, man. Well, I'll pay you back.
Not necessary. Money is not something that I

(54:53):
own. It'll own me if I allow it to.
So I just don't give a shit about things anymore.
Like, you know, I, I think of fun stuff, but I'm like, if it's
going to be beneficial for somebody else too, then I'm OK
with it. Like getting something for
myself of just like, like like afuck ton of shoes or nice
clothes and stuff like that. Yeah, if I can afford stuff,

(55:15):
I'll, I'll gradually get it. Yeah.
But dude, like I got this vest from D.
Oh yeah. I love it, soft 5 bucks.
Honestly there's so many like the generation now is just
thrifting because it's like why buy new threads when there's
endless amounts of ones that arestill good perfect quality and
they. Textiles is one of the biggest

(55:36):
contributors to environmental pollution because of how many
clothes don't get that, do they?They go in these massive
landfills. Yeah.
And so the like a lot of them are like, yeah, let's just go
thrift. Let's just go find clothes that
are still dope that we like the style and not go cool.
I paid three or five or $10.00 for this instead of 8090 a

(55:57):
hundred like. That's what I like about the a
lot of the LDS culture is in some aspects, when they make a
certain amount of money, you going to, they're going to let
you know. They got money.
They're going to let you know. There's very few people I've met
in the church that make good money that don't show it.
But the ones that are, it's I like, is that the idea of

(56:21):
keeping conservative to a point?Like you want to get something
new, go ahead and get something new.
But it it's an implied but rarely felt that this is a good
thing to do because you're looking to help others.
It's more of this is a good thing to show everybody how
pious you are. Oh, look at me.
Look at what I've done. I get.

(56:41):
Shoes with holes in them becauseI love my everybody and I pay
12% of my tithing and it's like,you give a fuck.
You're doing it again for the wrong reasons.
But I, I go there because it's like, why not?
Like somebody else said, you know, one man's trash is another
man's treasure. And so I'm like, why not?

(57:02):
And, and dude, I found some great shit over there and I look
good and it was cool. My boss came in one day and he
was like, it was kind of funny how he was acting.
He's like, he really wants us to, he's old school.
Like I go in with ties sometimes, which is you've seen
me on the podcast, you guys haveseen me on Thursday.
I'm all dressed up. They're like, what the fuck?
Because I came from work. But he wants us to wear a

(57:24):
jacket, a sports jacket and shit.
And I'm not going to wear that shit.
And he's like, he really wants us to do it.
And I have a lot of respect for him.
So I'm like, yeah. And he goes, hey, I've got these
extra ones. I'm just going to give it to
Goodwill. I don't know if that'll offend
you guys. Like, why would it offend me?
I'm like, bring them in, dude. He brought him in.
I took three of them. They're fucking sick.
Oh, probably I. Put one of them on on a Sunday,

(57:46):
walked into church. People are like, man, you look
fancy and I'm like, as opposed to earlier with my kilt.
No, you're judging me, huh? How Christ like.
And they go, oh, no, no, no, no,no, no, no, no, no.
You just look different now. And I'm like, shut the fuck up.
That's what I'm saying. But but you know what I mean,
man. It's like this feeling of
gratitude is not not necessarilypiety, but gratitude.

(58:08):
Dude, I got clothing on my back.I feel warm, you know, I mean, I
have all the tastiest food in myfridge, but I'm pretty happy and
I feel happier now than more than ever.
But I'll tell you this right now, and I have a lot of people
go, man, where did you get there?
Here. This brought me to a spiritual
clarity that nothing, no matter praying, no matter of anything

(58:32):
else, that's allowed me to understand God in my way and to
feel closer to others through this.
Because I wasn't the same at first.
I was very materialistic and honestly, like guys, you know,
and those who listen who are, who are LDS or whatever.
Like I don't, you know me, you listen to it.

(58:54):
I don't, I, I, I consider myselfa follower of Christ.
That's it. I don't have a moniker on there.
I just happen to hang with the LDS people and that's fine.
But you guys need to be getting into cannabis.
I'm a drug pusher, especially with the pious, because if you
want to get closer to that one, this slows you down to the point
where you can fucking think about that.
Brandon, like you of all people brought me closer to Christ.

(59:19):
That's fucking nuts. That's fucking nuts.
Because this. Well, I've.
Really. Let me go.
More religious conversations I would feel in my life since I
have left religion, yeah, than Idid prior to.
There's a difference, right? There's faith-based
conversations of whatever, and then there's religious pious
conversations, which is what yougrew up with, man, which I feel

(59:40):
very sad for, you know, I even heard.
This lacking of depth, but I find that most of the.
Lacking of depth and. Very pious ones are.
Increased feelings of guilt. Oh 100% but that's what so much
of it is surrounded on is like. Hey feel guilty and shameful and
fearful. I.
Know right? That sounds like love.

(01:00:02):
Yeah. Eat my balls like no.
Oh. Eating your balls might be
considered loveless. Yep, might be love.
Now that is God I could get behind, but you know.
Seriously, dude, The thing is, is like, man, I just want to be
happy in my life. Yeah.
And I want others to be happy too.
And I don't do that out of fear.And, you know, I had to have a

(01:00:23):
conversation with my son recently, one of my 16 year
olds, and he's been feeling really bad about himself lately.
And I'm like, why? And he goes well, because I have
these like, you know, he's he's done some things that he thinks
I'll of cause society thinks they're ill and and religion
makes him feel a. Culture or whatever it is that.
Yeah, and I had to have a conversation with him.

(01:00:43):
I'm like, that's not the God that is that's talked about in
this book. OK, so don't, he said.
And and he's like, Oh yeah, he died for our sins.
I'm like, no, it's not that. It's that you are you.
You're going to make mistakes inlife.
Don't be so hard on yourself as like even in the teachings of
Christ, where he was like, sit there, he would laugh and like

(01:01:04):
he was talking to like, oh, yeah, you don't have to cheat on
your girl in order for this to be unchastened.
Just thinking about it is unchastened.
And be like, well, then everybody would be there.
And he laughs. He's like, yeah, pretty much.
Yeah, he's basically going, yeah, all of you guys are the
same. You're going to make mistakes.
You're all the same. Stop being so hard on
yourselves. Yeah, and that's what causes.

(01:01:25):
Love yourself and love your neighbor like it was my.
Super easy, but really hard for a lot of people to do.
Kids, it's interesting in some of her perspectives and because
she has basically made comments to my oldest of like, oh hey,
you were depressed, you had suicidal thoughts, hate you self

(01:01:45):
harmed. So no one's probably going to
love you if they see those. That's tragic.
Yeah, like it's this. And I'm like, no, that's part of
your story. That's part of your journey.
That is who you are. That scarring is why you are
here, why you are still here. And most of us don't see these

(01:02:07):
parts of it going, hey, this sin, this scar, this whatever
isn't ugly. It isn't hideous.
It isn't bad. It's part of who you are.
It's part of this journey. It's part of your story that
makes you who you are. That makes this person.
Like today, this version of Brandon isn't my end form.
Whatever I am at the day I die has been so different than this.

(01:02:32):
Yeah. And every day is an opportunity
to be different because every day you had a different day that
maybe something changed and thataltered a perspective or a or an
opinion or maybe some new data came in.
You're like, oh, shit, I didn't ever know that.
Well, now I'm allowed to change my mind.
OK, well, that might shift who you become for the rest of your
life. So looking at it, going, hey,

(01:02:54):
this moment, this, this tiny section of it, like I need to
look at and judge this, this sin, this, whatever it is.
Did you intentionally hurt? Did you hurt someone?
OK, we'll go apologize. You know, there's all these
things that we can do because noone's perfect.
I mean, you apologize, though, you're able to let that that's

(01:03:14):
what I I think about apology too, man, and it's a great point
you're bringing up. And that's and let me say
something real cool. I mean real quick, cool.
Let me say something real quick on how awesome that is that you
held space for her to let her know that because, you know, is
that, you know, the kids mom's fault in a way.
Yeah. But that just goes back onto the

(01:03:36):
teachings from the parents and the community you're around.
And that's something similar like with my son where he was
told that because he had bad feelings about himself or he,
you know, maybe he looked at porn or something like.
That that he's bad. That he's a bad person and he's
like, I just feel bad about myself.
I'm like, oh, no. And I sat there and explained to
him, like, if you want to talk on on the faith, not religious.

(01:04:00):
And I love Bill Maher's religulous.
Yeah, because they are. You are creating something that
is not. I totally can relate to that.
The very first time when I touched a girl's boobs and I was
young, I walked home. It was amazing in the moment
until after and I was walking home and all I could think was I
am the worst person in the world.

(01:04:21):
I cannot believe that that's what I did.
I literally was standing there thinking I should chop off my
hands. I can't believe that I would do
that to a girl that I would touch her boobs.
That was the worst sin. I can't believe like that was
what went through my mind and I know that's how he's feeling of
like, I'm so guilty, I'm so shameful.
I'm such a horrible person or something.
That's no, it doesn't. It sounds like this person is

(01:04:43):
like, hey, I hate you. If you're my kid, I hate you.
Why do you exist? God, why won't you die?
That's what that sounds like as a father, which is like CPS
parent of the year kind of thingof like, hey, look, they're up
every month. Like that's the version of God
that I saw from the stories and I was like, man, this version
that's being preached is an asshole.

(01:05:03):
That's not a father I would everwant.
And I'm not a perfect father. So there's no way this story is
real. This is either a bunch of shit
or that guy doesn't exist. Well, and that's how you smell.
The man is attached to it. And that's OK because, you know,
that's where where I've become alot more forgiving of those who
are more judgmental. And I just go, I'm OK.

(01:05:25):
I understand. Instead of somebody saying
something that would normally like a dude, I was I played in
surgery. See last night was waiting for
the kids to get done with something.
And I was like, I'm just going to play this mindless thing.
It was too late to call you. And I was like, I'm just going
to do this for a little bit. And I played a couple rounds and
this kids and they're like, you know, Charlie Kirk and Charlie
Kirk. And at first, like I could get

(01:05:46):
offended by that, but I was like, yeah, So what, You know,
the verse that comes in my head that I said the day that we had
talked about after that, let thedead bury.
They're dead. Like I can't focus on somebody
else say, and, and what I mean by that, not just, you know, cuz
Charlie Kirk is dead, whatever it's that's gone.
Why am I worrying about something that is gone?

(01:06:08):
Yeah. And when somebody like, it's
very hard to offend me in doubt.Sometimes I get more offended
based off of culture, things like certain ways to respect
people but then now I think instead of you having their
souls. That's because it's so ingrained
on like a, from the day you wereborn kind of level of like, hey,
you will respect this. And then I'm like, you know, I

(01:06:32):
think this moment of like you will respect your elders.
I think in certain moments, 100%I give every human the same
level of respect. But just as respect is earned,
they need to also earn my respect.
And it doesn't matter how old they are, if they cross that
line and disrespect, they've instantly lost all respect and
they don't deserve that because they instantly haven't earned

(01:06:54):
it. And I think that too, too many
times we have people who feel entitled to respect because
they're like, well, no, I'm this, well, you are, but you
kind of just lost that because of what you've just done.
So you're going, I need to be respected, but you're not
holding respect for anyone in this moment.
So I think that moment is like, you know, we have these ones

(01:07:14):
that are like, well, you need torespect this.
And I agree in moments like we should 100% respect other people
and treat them, But there's alsomoments where it's like they've
lost all respect for you and other people.
And in that moment, you don't have to treat them with that
same respect because it's going,you don't even see me as a
person right now, so you can fuck off.

(01:07:35):
You don't deserve this respect, right?
Here's a bag of Dicks. Here's a second bag when you're
done with those. Satchel of Richards for you, my
friend. Yeah.
Like that's that's where it comes to.
And you're like, I'm sorry, you've instantly lost that
respect. Respect is earned.
So where you think that I need to earn your respect?
Well, it goes both ways here. Yeah.
So you need to remember that. Earned and not given.
But they often forget that in those moments of like, well you

(01:07:58):
need to respect. No, calm the fuck down.
This goes both ways. You know, I think that comes
from is is from the commandment of thou shalt honour thy father
and thy mother. But the thing that I've come to
my conclusion on that one is that honouring is different in
the way that people send to see it.
Honouring is loving and caring for, when you you think about

(01:08:20):
it, your parents. Not following blindly because
they. Told you it doesn't mean you
have to listen to them all the time, but you need to you, you,
you love them and you care for them the way that they care for
you. And so again, like what you're
saying when you've got older people and they are just like,
you need to respect me because I'm old.

(01:08:41):
No, Sir, you are a fault of the generation before you that
raised you. That's why I think that, you
know, we are, we can be more compassionate towards kids as
men, and that's a good thing. But we also need to remember
that we hold to our standards tobe able to help the community
around us, not your church. No, it's your.

(01:09:02):
Kids, it's your kids. And how do you protect your
community Well? It's like going this OK, yeah,
respect is earned 100%, I think.So love can be given.
Yes, free but but respect is earned.
Yeah but like how many kids are truly disrespectful to anyone
and everyone? Oh yeah, but that is on their
parents. It's 100% they haven't taught
them because it's, well, it's fine.

(01:09:24):
Well, respect is earned. Yeah.
But there's also a certain levelof human respect that isn't
taught on certain levels that that the older generations would
beat the shit of that into everyone of like, no, this is
how you do it. And now it's become more of
like, well, I don't like them, so I don't care if you respect
them. Yeah, and, and we've seen
society do this multiple times. Like, I mean like in the, I

(01:09:46):
think it was the 30s or 40's, the beatniks which were the
precursor to the hippies and thehippies were more of the punk
kids and the punk kids turned into grunge.
Into a rock and. Yeah, and then it just kept
going on and on, and I don't even know what the fuck they are
now, right? But you know, they're just a
pinata. Just like bunch of colors full
of candy, random ass constantly hanging themselves.

(01:10:10):
No, but. That's clear.
No, but I mean, you know, it's it, it honestly, it's this.
You can see where because there hasn't been this instilling of
of more acceptance and love, notnecessarily respect that you get
a society full of people who don't know who they are.
And that's why I think that nostalgia comes up more where

(01:10:33):
kids are wearing 90s stuff, they're listening to 90s music.
All it was better. Have you heard and seen a lot of
this shit? Like it's all garbage.
Dude, I was watching all garbageEscape from LA with Kurt
Russell. It is a John Carpenter film.
It is ridiculous and I was entertained by that more than
any movie I've seen that's been recently produced in the last

(01:10:55):
five years. I just watched Sam and the other
day with. The.
Kids. My God this is way more
entertaining. Really well written, half the
shit that I watched recently. Oh dude because half of the shit
you watch you know it's scriptedis so dumb but the other ones
feel like this is a life I'm watching.
Yeah, it was good. It was good and that's and I
think that's why we see the lot of these kids.

(01:11:16):
So when we see a lot of kids disrespectful, is it the fault
of the parents? Probably.
But at the same time, well, whatare we showing them?
What are we instilling in them? What are we?
What are we doing ourselves to show that respect?
That's the problem I think is that it's the parents who don't
have a lot of respect. And so that generation like it
is truly most kids don't learn from what's told to them.

(01:11:39):
They learn from the actions thatare shown.
So even though our parents are, we say one thing, the action is
the other. It's like my dad going, oh,
don't get mad or don't do this. Well, you're getting fucking
pissed and doing all these things.
Yeah, you got hurt. Like why did you hurt yourself?
Actions are different, so we don't learn from the words they
say, we learn from the actions. So it's this continuous thing of

(01:11:59):
going well. But I said this.
Yeah, you did. You sure did.
You said it a lot. You just said it all the time,
Yeah. And then you turned around and
smack the shit out of everyone. Else.
So what I learned is you smack the shit out of everyone else.
Yeah. Or you get mad at them for
making a mistake or accidentallyhurting themselves.

(01:12:20):
Like when you said that, it reminded me of like, my parents
were so scared they'd be mad at me that I got hurt.
And I used to do that to my kids.
And even if they were upset about something that I could
perceive as stupid, I am not there.
Like my daughter was really upset yesterday.
I don't know why, because she's an emotional basket case,

(01:12:42):
because she's 13. I don't know.
But whatever is going on, I cannot minimize.
And so I just went over and said, hey, why don't you just
give me a hug and give me that? Give me your pain.
Yeah. Whatever's hurting you now, just
just hand it over to me and justhug me.
I'm not. I'm not going to tell you what
you should do. That's hard because we grew up
in a world where everybody gave you UN.
UN Well, not requested information, right.

(01:13:07):
Giving you unsolicited advice. Thank you.
That was the word I was look, those words I was looking for,
but it is, I mean, how many times have we done that to each
other, to people around us? I've I noticed that I did that a
lot when I went through Kim's thing.
It made me super aware of it. Emily's been a real good help
for that because I found that I,I mean, I've always wanted to be

(01:13:27):
a helper. Like I like helping people.
And so when they come and say, oh, shoot, well, can I help
instead? Realizing a lot of the time when
my partner comes to me, she's not wanting help.
She's needing me to shut the fuck up and listen.
But as men we were. Taught that.
Yeah, well, my dad was always a fixer.
Anything that broke or needed fix, he was always that one.

(01:13:48):
Every single thing, it was Dad couldn't fix it.
So if anything needed help, it was OK.
Dad. Yeah.
Emotional stuff or real talk. Well, I could talk to mom for
that. But if I needed help with
anything, well, I could go to dad.
Well, how do you do that when it's later and you're like,
well, I want to help, but maybe that help that you really need
at that moment is just to listen.

(01:14:08):
Yeah. And I, you know, my, my
youngest, she lives with me, butwe went and her mom was in town
and we spent like half the day with her.
That was interesting. And through that day, I noticed
that my youngest was getting a little sassy and kind of Moody
and stuff. And it started irritating me.
And by the end of the day, I started getting snappy.

(01:14:30):
And I didn't realize until it was the next day that it was due
to a lot of the comments that were coming from her mom that
just kind of cut her down and put her in this not great state.
And I wasn't in the room in those moments when she made the
comments. Otherwise I would have said
something back. But it was this thing of
realizing after like, shit, I, Iwasn't aware enough of you in

(01:14:52):
this moment. Yeah, I'm aware of like, you're
annoyed or frustrated, but I'm not cognizant enough of the
underlying thing in this moment.And if I had been more aware in
that moment, maybe I would have.But it was this disconnect of,
you know, I showed up in irritation instead of and the
next day I actually was like, hey, I'm really sorry.
Because I realized that a lot ofthat was probably from

(01:15:15):
commentary and things that just didn't make you feel the best.
And I didn't realize that. And that was my fault for as a
parent being so intertwined in whatever was going on in my life
in that moment that I wasn't aware of my kid and their needs
and truly what was going on. Because I, I didn't notice.
I didn't pull her aside and go, hey, honey, like you seem like

(01:15:35):
something's going on. Like there's other ways to to
navigate that that I could have done but I didn't realize until
after it was. Programming.
Yeah, and it's all this stuff. Yeah.
Like, Oh, well, my dad, you know, for having an attitude or
something. Well, hey, that's not
acceptable, don't you? Why can't I have an emotion?
Stop having feelings. Why can't I have a feeling like

(01:15:55):
you didn't ask what's going on? Like why, why?
What's going? Like why are you acting this
way? Is there something further that
I should maybe address? Are you OK Instead of going,
hey, that's not acceptable, Stopthat.
Like why, why are why? Why is that the first response
instead of going fuck hey are you OK?

(01:16:18):
Because we, we observed and, andthat's the thing that we both
have realized, you know, raisingour kids are like, you know
what, I'm, I'm totally fine. Do I have certain parts?
I'm like, no, this won't be broken.
Yep, totally. And the reason why is I want the
sanctity of my home to be a peaceful place.
And I won't allow it because even I won't allow it for

(01:16:38):
myself. And, and I've I, it was a long
time. I didn't learn that it was
always the king of the castle, you know, I was growing up with
with Dad ran the home and the person who made the money ran
the home and. He was the priesthood holder, so
the priesthood holder was the one in charge of the home.
I didn't have that luckily. And that's the thing too.

(01:16:59):
It's this idea of hierarchy and it doesn't really match well.
And I get that, you know, it's unfortunate your your ex was
speaking that way, which just tells me that that's just a
product of what she grew up withand how she was treated.
And it makes me sad mostly for my kids, like I.
Because they don't get that. And they don't deserve that.

(01:17:20):
Like it's these little comments and I'm like, but then, you
know, I see it coming out sometimes and my kids and I'm
like, Hey, this isn't how we talk to people.
Like that's not how we treat other people.
You know, I, I understand that maybe your mom or other people
might talk that way, but that doesn't make it OK for us to do
to others might because you know, when that's how she talks
to you, does it make you feel really good?

(01:17:40):
No. Does it bring?
And it's like, no, no it doesn't.
Never does. And that's that's the thing that
is really difficult for many, many of us parents.
I think it's the older we get, you know, I mean, most of a ton
of people I know in the businessworld are all in fucking
ayahuasca or mushrooms like constantly.
And I'm just like, you know, you're I get it, I get it.

(01:18:01):
But at the same time, like if you're going to use it
constantly, move to cannabis first and then be respectful of
that. That is a plant.
Like when I see gummies, I'm notOK with that.
The reason why 'cause there's you've now turned it into a
recreational thing and I don't think it should be.
You know, medicine is medicine. People aren't.

(01:18:22):
I mean, that's where fentanyl goes from medicinal to stupid
because you're using it for a specific need of somebody maybe
at the moment, which is fine because it's going to reduce the
pain amount for that one. But.
There are medical uses. But it doesn't and that's the
problem. That's the problem.
So it's it's moving to this because I I get why a lot of

(01:18:46):
these individuals around my age,around your age, they're like,
fuck, why were we treated like this?
Why were we taught to judge? Yeah, everyone.
Everyone right like it's all thethe why the.
Well, it was. And how many of us grew up with
the keeping up with the Joneses?They're like, look at what I got

(01:19:06):
here. Look at this, look at this.
I think it's. Remember Bo on here like?
Commercialism to its finest. The craziest thing for Bo with
LDS people here in Utah was the homes.
Yeah, they're so God. What the fuck?
We did a drive yesterday and we went up Mapleton and I was like,
Oh my God, some of these homes are just insane.
I used to. I used to live up in the in
Hobble Creek Canyon on the left fork.

(01:19:28):
You want to go see some impressive ass homes?
Ridiculous. And you're insane.
You are so far from society and you got this giant 30,000 square
foot home. That's not a home, no, that's a
place where you go to see like music acts or sporting events, I
mean. That was it.
It's fucking you. I had a friend so growing up at

(01:19:50):
Tim you, the homie moved up there was like just over 5000
square feet, which is a big home.
That's a big home. And I had a friend on the
ballroom team with me. His home was 25,000 square feet.
They had an Olympic sized swimming pool, helicopter pad,
all of that. To do what?
Exactly, but you would never know it from him.

(01:20:13):
He wore not crazy brands the most down to earth kindest like
just. A real.
Person and I was like holy shit,but it wasn't it was his family.
But yet all temp you is all the rich snobby like east side kids.
Again, that was taught by their parents, right?
And so that was it. That's half the kids that I went
to school with were these rich and titled fucks who were like,

(01:20:35):
oh, I've got a slide from my bedroom down to the kitchen and
then I've got this and this and I'm like, it's fine.
Like whatever. But then meeting him and I never
would have guessed that he livedin anything more than like an
apartment or like 2000 square foot home, most normal, average
kind of seeming guy. And I'm like, chill, chill.
That's what it should be becauseit doesn't need to be flaunt.

(01:20:58):
It doesn't need to be like in your face, but this?
What does it do for you? Nothing.
It creates this ego of it. Creates a segregation of us and
them. Like I've met people that are
really wealthy, like as far as their net worth, but they live a
very simple suburban life. I love kind of having people
come here just for that fact. You know 100%.

(01:21:20):
When we have really, really wellto do, people show up and then
there's like, yeah, welcome. And they're not bothered, you
know, that they miss some of that, like the ones who really
went through the struggle, like,you know, I, I, I love the world
that I've joined as far as work wise, because I'm constant
learning. But you know, I see some other
guys in there and they live really well.

(01:21:42):
And I don't want that. I'm just like.
I don't need that much. I don't.
Need them and I'm like, you know.
Stuff just help so many people, right?
But what business can I do to friends?
Yeah. What do you need?
A job? What do you want to do?
OK. Or even like even help like if
you're, if you're poor, like man, the feeling that I would
love to be able to just give and, and not saying you owe me.

(01:22:05):
Oh, right, because that's all rented.
Everything is rented. Like, hey, make sure all the
food you buy with it, I want youto recycle it.
I want you to bottle the pee andkeep the shit in bags and I'm
gonna come by and get them. Like that's what I mean.
And that's. Where we got synthetics 5.
Oh my goodness, that is a great segue.
So you know what we've talked a lot about, you know how to be

(01:22:27):
respectful and all that other stuff.
Well, you know one thing, it wasreally hard growing up test
taking. Test taking is tough, I feel
like you probably had to study and like it's only if you learn
in a very specific way. Well, what if you were caught in
time? What did they tell you?
Just run down the CS. Yeah.
Right, they said commonly. You know it's a big lie.

(01:22:49):
By the way, right? But you know what you can be
100% on and you don't need any study time for?
What's that? With Synthetics 5.
It's true, it's like the best study buddy on the market.
Maybe you could pass all the tests you need.
Yeah it is the pre mixed urea. Uric acid could also be
considered like a urine. I don't know how urine helps you

(01:23:12):
pass tests, but apparently you're able to be able to really
100% pass tests and it's cool you got this small one over here
that Brandon has. It's in your pocket, it's not
apples, it's got a little heaterso your tests are nice and warm
because it's getting winter and everyone hates cold tests.
Yeah, you keep this right by your nuts.

(01:23:33):
Yeah. And then, you know, just use it
and pass your test and, you know, move on with your day.
Yeah, so don't worry about not being able to keep your job just
because you enjoy a little bit of a plant and they make you
take tests. Yeah, start passing them with
Synthetics 5. And use the code below and.
Save yourself a bunch of money. And TuneIn next week.

(01:23:54):
Oops, see you guys later.

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