Navigating Political and Economic Upheaval: Advice from Nonprofits on the Frontline

Episode 28 – Navigating Political and Economic Upheaval: Advice from Nonprofits on the Frontline

In the last episode of CharityVillage Connects, we talked to government relations and fundraising experts about how nonprofits and charities can navigate the political change and economic impacts currently coming at us at such a dizzying pace. With the continued threat of tariffs from the US President Trump administration, and with both federal and provincial elections looming here at home, we thought it worthwhile to dig even deeper into the topic of governmental change and find out how nonprofit organizations across the country are coping with it all. In this episode of CharityVillage Connects, representatives from frontline organizations share their realities, concerns, and strategies for survival and transformation in these challenging times.

Meet Our Guests in Order of Appearance 

• Christopher Holz, Government Relations Advisor, capitalW
• Andrew Chunilall, CEO, Community Foundations of Canada
• Carolyn Stewart, CEO, Feed Ontario
• Nicole Danesi, Senior Manager, Strategic Communications and Brand, CanadaHelps
• Olga Stachova, CEO, MOSAIC
•  Aleks Selim Dughman Manzur, Co-Executive Director, Rainbow Refugee

About your Host

Mary Barroll, president of CharityVillage, is an online business executive and lawyer with a background in media, technology and IP law. A former CBC journalist and independent TV producer, in 2013 she was appointed General Counsel & VP Media Affairs at CharityVillage.com, Canada’s largest job portal for charities and not for profits in Canada, and then President in 2021. Mary is also President of sister company, TalentEgg.ca, Canada’s No.1, award-winning job board and online career resource that connects top employers with top students and grads.

Additional CharityVillage Resources from this Episode

• CharityVillage Connects: Navigating the Stormy Waters of Political Uncertainty

Additional Resources from this Episode

We've gathered the resources from this episode into one helpful list:

• Weekly Results: Current Issues and Challenges (Charity Insights Canada Project, February 5, 2025)
• HungerCount 2024 (Food Banks Canada) 
• The Giving Report 2024 (CanadaHelps)

Learn more and listen to the full interviews with the guests here.

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Episode Transcript

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Thank
Welcome to Charity Village Connects.
I'm your host, Mary Barrell.
That's the sound of a hummingbird pollinating our world and making it a better place.
The hummingbird is Charity Village's logo because we strive, like the industrioushummingbird, to make connections across the nonprofit sector and help make positive

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change.
Over this series of podcasts, we'll explore topics that are vital to the nonprofit sectorin Canada.
Topics like diversity, equity and inclusion, mental health in the workplace,
the gap in female representation and leadership, and many other subjects crucial to thesector.
We'll offer insight that will help you make sense of your life as a nonprofitprofessional, make connections to help navigate challenges, and support your organization

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to deliver on its mission.
Good evening.
We begin tonight with breaking news.
U.S.
tariffs on Canada have been delayed at the 11th hour, putting a potentially devastatingtrade war on hold, at least for now.
after a phone call with...
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says it will also beef up border security inexchange for a one-month delay on new tariffs.

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In the last episode of Charity Village Connects, we talked to government relations andfundraising experts about how non-profits and charities can navigate the political change
and economic impacts coming at us at such a dizzying pace.
As we brace ourselves for the changes sure to come with Canada's imminent federal andprovincial elections, our entire country is reeling from the political storm created by

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our American neighbors' elected Trump administration.
The potential for tariffs alone is enough to threaten the livelihoods of millions ofCanadians and radically alter how business is done along the longest undefended border in
the world.
And then, just as Canada was about to be hit with 10 to 25 percent tariffs on all goods,U.S.

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President Donald Trump changed his mind and announced a one-month reprieve for Canada andMexico.
Tonight, just hours before a trade war was set to commence, a partial step back from thebrink.
President Trump saying he'll delay 25 % tariffs on Mexico because Mexico's president madeconcessions involving the border, delaying the tariffs for 30 days while talks continue.

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While late this afternoon, a 30-day delay on tariffs against Canada, too, after Canada'sprime minister said he will also beef up border security following President Trump's
tariff threat, including spending $1.3 billion reinforcing the border with 10,000frontline personnel.
Just when we thought we'd gotten a bit of a breather on the tariff front, and a betterunderstanding of the impacts of changes in the U.S.

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government and in our very relationship with our neighbor, less than a week later, we werehit with yet another curveball and more uncertainty.
President Trump announces a 25 % tariff on aluminum and steel imports from all foreignsources.
But at least Canada is not the target this time.

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Right?
Wrong.
We're doing a 25 % tariff on steel in a loan room.
Yes, this would affect all countries.
But you know who this hits the hardest?
Canada is the leading exporter of steel to the United States, responsible for aboutone-fifth of all U.S.
steel imports worth around $8-9 billion U.S.

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last year.
And here's aluminum again.
Canada is the top exporter to the U.S.
and it's not even close.
It sends the U.S.
more aluminum every year than every other country combined.
If you're feeling a bit of whiplash, you're not alone.
The talk of tariffs is far from over and we're left to adjust and prepare for what comesnext.

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And there's more.
With Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's resignation,
The bureaucracy in Ottawa is essentially frozen with prorogation of Parliament until March24th.
And the new Liberal Prime Minister, whoever that might be, is likely to have anabbreviated tenure, with opposition parties threatening a non-confidence vote as soon as

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Parliament returns.
This will trigger a federal election, likely by May.
And that could push us into the summer without a working federal bureaucracy.
This could impact the non-profit sector by delaying decisions, including any pertaining tofunding.
On top of that, we've had three provincial elections in 2024 and are scheduled to havethree more, plus two territorial elections in 2025.

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The Premier of the largest and most populated province in Canada has decided he needs astronger mandate to deal with the new challenges that are coming from across the border.
Here's Premier Doug Ford making his pitch to Ontarians.
When times are tough, I will do whatever it takes to keep you safe.
I will work with anyone and I will stand up to anyone in order to protect our province andour people.

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I'm prepared to do whatever is necessary and whatever it takes to protect our jobs,businesses, families and communities.
That's why on February 27th, I'm asking for your vote.
I'm asking you for a stronger mandate by electing your local Ontario PC candidates.
The stronger the mandate, the better.

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And together, we will protect Ontario.
These are all big, nation-altering events.
It's a lot to unpack and has tremendous impact on how charities and nonprofits operate.
Organizations already pushed to the brink.
are expecting increased demand on their services should the Canadian economy falter as aresult of US imposed tariffs.

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The ability to raise donations from the public and access government funding remains ahigh concern.
A Charity Insights Canada project survey recently asked nonprofits what they saw as themost significant emerging challenges and risks currently facing the sector as a whole.
88 % of respondents said financial instability

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and funding uncertainties were their greatest concern.
And 54 % of respondents cited global economic uncertainties being their biggest worry.
Many organizations are also worried about how ideological shifts, such as rollbacks on DEIand anti-LGBTQI policies happening across the border, are making their way into Canadian

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public discourse and affecting the people they serve.
So we thought it worthwhile to dig even deeper into the topic of governmental change andfind out how nonprofit organizations across the country are coping with it all.
We believe in partnerships, not just working with government, but also other nonprofitorganizations and corporates as well.

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And so when you do have a shift in government, whether it's at the provincial level,impending federal level or at the municipal level, it can change the way that we work
because
Different governments and different parties use different language to work in community orthey have a different set of priorities which reflect their constituency.
And so oftentimes we have to adjust to the language, the leadership and the sentiment ofthe time.

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Now that there's a potential change in government, we're also preparing for what thatcould mean under a different prime minister and a different party.
I think uncertainty is the name of the game when it comes to elections, realistically.
But I think we always try to be pragmatic, maybe is a good word, in that there's a lot ofopportunity too, right?
With change comes opportunity.

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And so similar to other organizations, we are worried about the cost of living, how it'simpacting community, people, the organizations that we're servicing.
And then on top of that, you know, obviously, consistent concern over the last few yearshas been
the affordability and availability of housing.
We're seeing rising homelessness in communities across the country.

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It is a really stressful time for charities and I think it's important to acknowledgethat.
I think that if we do see these tariffs go into effect, for example, I think it's quiteeasy or safe to assume that there is a recession in Canada.
We're going to feel it in two different ways in the charitable sector.
On the one hand,

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we likely will see demand increase as people potentially lose jobs, as money gets tighter.
We've seen this time and again over the last several years with food banks across thecountry reporting skyrocketing numbers.
And I don't intend to say this to cause any sort of fear, but it's a reality that we needto really be thinking of and trying to almost future-proof your organization to the extent

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that you can, given all the uncertainty.
The uncertainty doesn't give us a clear pathway about what is going to happen in thefuture regarding LGBTQI refugees.
Are we going to be open to supporting them and their right to seek asylum?
Are we going to be cutting funding even further to settlement organizations that arealready struggling to provide support to migrants and refugees in general and also of

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course impacting LGBTQI people?
Across provinces, we have also seen troubling trends of policies that roll backprotections for trans and non-binary people.
And this shift in policies contributes to an increasing hostile environment that can makesettlement even more difficult for trans and non-binary people and queer people in

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general.
We are very, very concerned.
I think we are all watching with an ease the divisive and the hostile rhetoric out of theborder.
We are absolutely concerned about the impacts on tariffs, on cleaning economy, onindustries, given that most of our companies are small and medium enterprises.
We are concerned about potential loss of jobs, increasing competition and making it evenmore difficult for those who have been historically marginalized to find meaningful

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employment.
We are concerned about the fear and the harm caused by the anti-immigrant rhetoric,policies and actions.
And honestly, our hearts go out to the people who spend their lives contributing to the USeconomy and are now being turned away and expected to return to the countries they fled
with no concern to the danger that might face there.

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And it is honestly horrifying to watch how this powerful country is turning its back tobasic human rights.
The Greek philosopher Heraclitus said that change is the only constant in life.
And it's true.
The one thing we can count on
other than death and taxes, is change, and we all experience it.

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Yet it's incredibly rare to go through societal and political change like what we'reexperiencing right now.
It truly feels monumental, and it provokes many questions about what course of action weshould take to survive and move through it.
This is reason enough for us to do a second episode on navigating changing political andeconomic landscapes.

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and ask our nonprofit leaders on the front lines just how they are handling all of thesocietal transformation.
And there's a lot to handle, starting with the impact of U.S.
tariffs on the Canadian economy and ultimately the nonprofit sector and the communitiesthey serve.
The word tariff is the most beautiful word in the dictionary.

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More beautiful than love.
More beautiful than respect.
No less beautiful than religion.
As you know, we have about a $200 billion deficit with Canada getting close to $200billion.
They've treated us very unfairly.
And I say, why should we be subsidizing Canada?

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In our previous episode, our guest, Chris Holtz, a government relations expert, outlinedwhat US tariffs would mean for Canadians in general and nonprofits in particular.
Chris Holtz is a principal at Campbell Strategies and also a government relations advisorfor Capital W, a consulting firm specializing in fundraising for nonprofits.

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Economists have been pretty clear that there will be significant impacts to the Canadianeconomy, jobs.
The economy for 2025 is going to be quite rocky.
Depending on how long these tariffs last, is this process going to be a year, multipleyears, or is this something that will conclude in a few weeks time?
We really don't know the answer to that, but there are impacts for sure on business, onjob creation for charities and nonprofits.

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That also means in some cases there will be more that organizations need to do because oftheir mandates to support Canadians or Ontarians or British Columbians, wherever we may
operate.
In some cases, it may also mean a loss of revenue because governments are taking fundingand dedicating it to new.

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needs and requirements, for example, folks that have lost jobs in industry or something.
I can't predict the absolute future, but what I can say is dynamic impacts right acrossthe board.
And it's not just from a Canada perspective, our friends of the U S will also be impactedby this.
Tariffs are not a one way street.
Tariffs will also be imposed by Canadians on U S exports and they will have a significantimpact as well.

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There will be impacts for the United States.
There's no question, but.
proportionally is going to be harder for us.
That will have a significant impact on GDP.
Some of the economists in this country have already come out to say somewhere between 2and 4 % impact on GDP.
That's bad news.
That's not going to be great.

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It means that there may be ripple effects around inflation.
We've just gone through it, but the inflation rates may be increasing.
Job numbers may be decreasing, i.e.
unemployment.
It's clear that tariffs will continue to be a threat as long as Donald Trump is Presidentof the United States.
Andrew Chinnallol has given the matter a lot of thought.

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CEO of Community Foundations Canada, Andrew Chinnallol works closely with the CFCleadership team and foundations across Canada to help the philanthropic sector transform,
innovate, and meet the new challenges of 2025, including, of course, tariffs.
Here's what he has to say about how these will directly impact our economy.

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be looking for the nonprofit sector as an example to provide some of those supports.
You know, the other thing that happens with tariffs is inflation.
And the Bank of Canada has been battling inflation for a few years now and it looked likethey were coming to the end of it.
Inflation at a number that is sustainable and manageable.
But of course, 25 % tariffs by the U.S.

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but also our own retaliation efforts will increase the goods of many, many items.
And so
Inflation will continue to be persistent and be problematic for Canadians, reducingdisposable income.
People already can't afford groceries, already can't afford to pay for housing costs.

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And so this definitely puts a lot of people over the edge.
When Canadians can't afford groceries and are pushed over the edge, often the first placethey go is a community food bank to help them get by.
So much so that food bank usage has become something of a bellwether for economic decline,inflation, high cost of living and increasing poverty.

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And like all Canadian nonprofits and charities, food banks across Canada are alreadyfacing unprecedented demand.
According to the Food Bank's Canada Hunger Count, in March 2024 there were over 2 millionvisits to food banks in Canada, the highest number in history.
representing a 6 % increase compared to 2023, and a 90 % increase compared to 2019.

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The proportion of food bank clients whose main source of income comes from employment isnow at an all-time high of 18.1%, surpassing the previous year's 16.7%.
You see the line around the corner?
That happens on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays.

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In addition to these sobering statistics, there are signs that the food bank system inCanada is reaching its absolute limit.
Feed Ontario is one of the largest hunger relief organizations in North America, helpingdeliver millions of pounds of food across the province to where it's needed.
Their CEO, Carolyn Stewart, says organizations like Feed Ontario and its member communityfood banks were supposed to be a temporary emergency measure.

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not the solution to a much larger problem.
Unfortunately, they are needed more than ever, as Carolyn Stewart explains.
We service 145 direct member food banks who support over 1,100 agencies.
So an agency is anything from a community kitchen, a shelter, a meal program, reallyanything that provides emergency food support to someone in need.

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And to give you a picture of what it's looking like in short, it's not good.
It is getting exponentially worse every single year.
We have seen eight consecutive years of growth and demand at food banks with need nowsurpassing 1 million people accessing our services over 7.6 million times in the last

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year.
This is the highest number on record that we've ever been recording data, which we've beendoing for quite some time.
Realistically, what's most importantly is that our network was really never built towithstand this level of demand.
I think sometimes people forget that food banks are meant as an emergency measure.
We are meant as a temporary mechanism to help people get by.

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We're definitely not a solution.
And so what we're seeing is the response to this growing demand, exponential demand,really weighing on the food bank network with 40 % of our network.
reporting they've had to either reduce the amount of food that they're providing just tomake sure that they're able to meet demand, but also potentially even change types of

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services or reduce wraparound supports because they provide additional services beyondemergency food support.
So unfortunately, things are not good and the amount of change and upheaval that'shappening in the country does not give us hope that things are going to get better anytime
soon.
I asked Carolyn Stewart if the tariff threats from south of the border are a concern forFeed Ontario.

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It's a very concerning time for a lot of people in communities.
We're seeing changes to social policies, people's rights, and even decisions that candrastically impact our economy.
And so when it comes to our network, and particularly given how overstretched they alreadyare, as I said, we're seeing the highest demand ever on record.

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but the concern of the actions out to the border and what that could result in in terms ofjob losses for so many Ontarians and Canadians, what that may mean for businesses who are
partners but may no longer have funding to support organizations or partner on keyinitiatives that are helping ensure that we can provide our services.

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And so it's so many unknowns right now, which is what the biggest concerns for us are.
We're already seeing governments, as we've seen, take action, make promises regardingemergency relief for business, but we haven't necessarily seen the government's response
on what the emergency response will be for people and for families.

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And so again, we need to make sure we're taking a broad lens and approaching policy andresponses to situations.
looking at the complexity, because it's not just one-to-one, right?
We know that something as complex as poverty is so many different things intertwine andcontribute to how someone gets there, but also what leads them to barriers to even getting

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out of poverty.
And so with what we're seeing and the drastic impacts that we can see on our economy, ifthese tariffs are put into place, are, I think, huge cause for concern for everybody.
Food security is only one of several issues that will be impacted by tariffs and theirrepercussions on the Canadian economy.

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Nicole Dinesse is Senior Manager, Strategic Communications and Brand at Canada Helps, acharity and Canada's largest online donation and fundraising platform.
She has this to say about the economic impact being felt across the entire non-profitsector.
It is a really stressful time for charities and I think it's important to acknowledgethat.

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I think that if we do see these tariffs go into effect, I think it's safe to assume thatthere is a recession in Canada.
We're going to feel it in two different ways in the charitable sector.
On the one hand, we likely will see demand increase as people potentially lose jobs.
As money gets tighter, we've seen this time and again over the last several years.

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with food banks across the country reporting skyrocketing numbers.
And on the flip side, of course, there's your donors, there are supporters.
And at Canada Helps through our giving report for the last several years, we have reportedon the fact that we are seeing fewer Canadians based on CRA data, giving to registered

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charities, and just to sort of remind listeners.
In 2010, that number was 23 % of Canadians actually claiming a charitable donation ontheir tax filer data.
And in 2021, that number dropped to 17%.
It's been a steady decline in terms of the number of Canadians who are making thosecharitable donations and claiming it on their taxes.

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All illegal entry will immediately be halted and we will begin the process of returningmillions and millions of criminal aliens back to the places from which they came.
And I will send troops to the southern border to repel the disastrous invasion of ourcountry.
Canada is bracing for an influx of asylum seekers fleeing the US after Donald Trump'selection victory.

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The former president's renewed promise to enact widespread deportation as he comes topower has set Canadian police and immigrant groups on high alert.
Canadian authorities, especially the RCMP, have been preparing for a potential surge inborder crossing.
Another direct result of Trump's election is an anticipated surge in border crossings dueto Trump's threats of mass deportations.

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Asylum seekers are sure to put an additional strain on Canada's non-profits working withrefugees and other migrants.
Chris Holtz weighs in on this factor.
The Trump presidency and their campaign has been very clear that immigration reform andillegal migrants, that there will be significant changes.

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that mean for us in Canada?
It means that border...
Communities may see an influx of folks crossing the border, like what happened six, seven,eight years ago, where folks are crossing the border, maybe illegally to come to Canada in
part because of concerns that they may be arrested in the United States and sent back tocountries of origin.

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What that means for Canadian communities is there may be a very large influx of illegalmigrants to use that term to Canada.
And what that means from a charity and nonprofit perspective.
is that organizations that provide service to folks that are migrants, that are recentimmigrants or refugees, may have a lot more work to do.

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They may be more funding as well.
So that actually might be an opportunity, but the time for that basically is now untilsometime in the future.
Mosaic is one of the largest immigrant-serving organizations in Canada.
serving over 30,000 immigrant, refugee, migrant, and mainstream clients annually fromGreater Vancouver and all over British Columbia.

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With services such as settlement support, English language training, employmentassistance, and family services.
I spoke to Mosaic's CEO, Olga Stakova, about what she's been seeing in terms of asylumseekers arriving from south of the border.
We've already heard from some of our partner organizations that
people who were in the US and they were considering making an asylum claim in BC areexpediting this process, are initiating this process.

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We are also hearing about individuals starting to come to Canada on visitor visas,especially individuals from the LGBTQI communities.
We are quite concerned about the lack of capacity to manage the increased arrivals,especially if it is around seeking asylum and legal aid is already backlogged.
It's taking refugee claimants two to three months to make a claim for asylum.

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And with the potential increase arrivals, the length can extend significantly.
We see backlog at the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada, the independentadministrative tribunal that is responsible for making decisions who receives refugee
protection.
We see our shelters already full.
We are very close contact with shelters across Metro Vancouver.
And they constantly report that

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More than half of the clients using shelters are refugee claimants, are people who arecoming to this country to seek asylum and escape persecution.
We lack the capacity for the initial emergency housing upon arrival.
And this will become especially problematic when we start seeing families arrive.
Because if individuals arrive, they could go to shelters for men or women.

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When you see families arriving, they will need to be separated to be able to even useshelters.
So there's a lot of additional trauma and harm that can happen.
certainly lots to prepare for.
In addition to the impact of increased migration of asylum seekers arriving in Canada fromthe US, Olga Stakova is also concerned about the migration of anti-immigrant rhetoric and

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policies crossing over the border from the US into Canada.
We are very, very concerned.
I think we are all watching with an ease the divisive and the hostile rhetoric out of theborder.
We are concerned about the fear and the harm caused by the anti-immigrant rhetoric,policies and actions.
And honestly, our hearts go out to the people who spend their lives contributing to the USeconomy and are now being turned away and expected to return to the countries they fled

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with no concern to the danger that might face there.
And it is honestly horrifying to watch how this powerful country is turning its back tobasic human rights.
You have to have your eyes open.
It is hard to prepare for everything that comes.
There is, of course,
We are looking at repairing and potentially expecting increased arrivals from US.
People who historically would seek refuge in US or seek asylum might decide not to do thatand come to Canada.

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Olga Stakova says in many ways the anti-immigrant sentiment in the U.S.
has already influenced Canadian public discourse as well as federal policies and fundingto the organizations who serve refugees, asylum seekers and immigrants.
Those recent changes in the Canadian political landscape reflect that reality.

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Our clients have most certainly been impacted and so have organizations like Mosaic.
by the changing political landscape and the narrative they're displaying out on thenational political stage.
We know that as a country we face a number of serious challenges.
We have seen the cost of living go up.
We have seen severe shortages of housing, particularly affordable housing, challengesaccessing healthcare, and unfortunately, immigrants have been often painted in the public

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discourse as the source of these challenges, which is a sentiment that is very misplacedand honestly dangerous and harmful.
as it goes hand in hand in the steep increase in incidents of racism and hate experiencedby newcomers every day, and the significant change in public sentiment towards immigration
that we've seen over the past year.

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And then, of course, we've seen the federal government respond to these sentiments anddramatically reduce immigration levels applying for the next three years.
We will reduce the number of immigrants we bring in over the next three years, which willresult in a pause in the population growth over the next...
Two years.
We didn't get the balance quite right.
Not quite an admission of fault, but the Prime Minister says Canada will be cutting thenumber of immigrants coming here on a permanent basis.

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It's a 22.5 % cut for the next two years with even lower targets set for 2027.
Local organizations that provide support to immigrants and other newcomers are feeling theimpact of the federal government's new immigration targets.
Funding cuts have left many of them struggling to help those who are already here.

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Olga Sakova says the impacts don't just affect the immigrants who want to come to Canada,but also the ones who are already here, with cuts to funding, services and their sense of
safety in our country.
And while some adjustments to our immigration policies and targets were needed andexpected, I think everyone was surprised with just how large these reductions were.

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and that a number of policies introduced to deter people from coming to Canada.
So we would change from a country who was proud to broadcast to the world how welcoming weare of immigrants and how appreciated and essential they are to a country that is actively
trying to discourage people from coming here, putting more and more obstacles in the way.

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And of course, the immigration targets directly inform the budgets available for ImmigrantServices, which led to very drastic funding cuts that we've recently seen.
And the sector is understandably bracing itself for new cuts amid political changes andfiscal realities across the country.
So the impact really on our clients and organizations is twofold.

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On one hand, there is cuts to funding that will reduce services available.
And it's all compounded by the negative rhetoric and the scapegoating of newcomers thatcauses real harm and fear in the newcomer communities.
We're repeatedly hearing from our clients that they're not feeling safe in Canada anymore.
And this unease extends to our staff and not only staff and mosaic and immigrant servingsector, the staff and not-for-profit sector who are often immigrants themselves.

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And their well-being and their safety is also impacted by this rhetoric.
Immigrants, both here and south of the border, are not alone in feeling threatened by therhetoric and new policies in the United States.
Some of Trump's biggest campaign promises were focused on rolling back diversity, equity,and inclusion initiatives and policies.

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Trump declared an outright war on transgender rights.
He ran on those promises and didn't waste any time taking action once he was elected.
compete against our girls in their sports.

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Kamala is for they-them.
President Trump is for you.
I'm Donald J.
Trump and I approve this message.
My administration has taken action to abolish all diversity, equity, and inclusionnonsense.
And these are policies that were absolute nonsense throughout the government and theprivate sector.
And I've made it official policy of the United States that there are only two genders,male

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and female.
And we will have no men participating in women's sports and transgender operations, whichbecame the rage, will occur very rarely.
As part of our new credentialing body for teachers, we will promote positive educationabout the nuclear family, the roles of mothers and fathers, and celebrating rather than

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erasing the things that make men and women different and unique.
I will ask Congress to pass a bill establishing.
that the only genders recognized by the United States government are male and female, andthey are assigned at birth.
To help us understand the effects of this kind of rhetoric and policies coming from theTrump administration are having on the LGBTQI community here in Canada, I spoke with Alex

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Dougman, co-executive director of Rainbow Refugee, a Vancouver-based organization thatpromotes safe, equitable migration and communities of belonging for people fleeing
persecution based on their sexual orientation, gender identity,
gender expression or HIV status.

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Alex Dugman is a transgender lawyer specializing in human rights, reproductive, sexualhealth law, LGBTQI rights and refugee rights.
I asked Alex Dugman how the rhetoric is affecting the targeted communities.
My thoughts around these are very preliminary, but of course we're scared.

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What we see down south in our neighbors is a scary environment where
trans and LGBTQI people in general, but also people of color in the US are reallystruggling right now in understanding how they're going to feel protected or how they can
exercise their rights or their constitutional rights.

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It has had implications for asylum seekers and refugees in the US.
And of course, it's going to have implications in Canada as that develops.
And also the rising of anti-LGBTQI sentiments in the US have ripple effects in Canada.
It may shape policies, funding, and public discourse.

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And that can also create an increased sense of unsafety and violence to our communities.
For instance, more restrictive asylum policies or executive orders from the USadministration, of course, influence and has an impact in the Canadian asylum policy.
There's already happening that it's an increased mass deportation and visa cancellationsin the U.S.

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And we're very concerned about how many LGBTQ people are being sent back to death and riskof violence.
Like I mentioned before, the spillover effect on the Canadian discourse as the U.S.
policy shift, we see emboldened anti-LGBTQ rhetoric and policies.
And we saw even last year some march against trans people.

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and policies going around in provinces that affect the youth.
And so all the wall-backs policies in the US definitely have an effect in Canada.
And we already seen that the federal government is committing $1.3 billion to bordersurveillance and expanding our CMP presence, drone use, and CVSA personnel.

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For us, that is very problematic because we would think that those
funds would be better used in injecting the refugee protection system with better support,with more processing times, with having more people engaged in the conversations and in
settlement.
And instead of that, we're turning that funding towards more surveillance, more possiblydeportations, just to appease the rhetoric that is happening now from our neighbors.

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So.
We're deeply concerned about what's happening and the effects that we'll have in Canadafor sure.
In addition to managing an increase in asylum seekers, Alex Dugman describes some of thebiggest issues rainbow refugee clients in Canada are facing.
Once they're here, I would say housing insecurity, there's a lot of

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discrimination in the rental market and lack of affordable housing.
And many of our clients struggle to find safe and stable housing, especially if you're anLGBTQ person, you can't just live anywhere or in any housing situation.
There's also employment barriers.
So LGBTQI newcomers often face workplace discrimination, credential recognition issues andchallenges accessing stable employment.

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We have mental health concerns.
A lot of people, of course, come with trauma.
They're fleeing persecution.
They're fleeing terrible conditions in their home country.
So they have had to travel to different countries on their way to Canada.
And there's no real free access to mental health supports right now.
Health care access.
A lot of refugees are dependent on a federal program called IFHP.

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And many of the service providers here in Canada do not register with IFHP, so there'sless service providers available to address their health care needs.
And like I said before, Legal Aid, who also has a shortage in their funding, are nowturning away a lot of our clients and not giving them free legal representation.

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And then there's the funding cuts to the settlement sector.
which means there's much more strain on the system and less people and resources, humanresources and financial resources, to be able to address the needs and meet the needs of
LGBTQI newcomers in general.
So I would say those are, in a summary, all the challenges that we're seeing right now.

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Alex Dugman explains that the sharp increase in demand for services hasn't only beenprovoked by the new Trump administration.
It's a global trend.
Not only last year, but in the past few years, we have experienced a progressive rise inservice demand.
This increase is driven by the global surge of anti-LGBTQI sentiments, shiftingimmigration policies, and the growing number of LGBTQI asylum seekers arriving here in

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Canada.
as a volunteer-based organization in the past, we used to support around 90 people peryear that were asylum seekers and did around
25 to 30 private sponsorship of refugees and now we're supporting over 700 or 800 asylumseekers per year.

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So you see that the numbers have gone up exponentially and we are sponsoring around 60 to70 people per year through the private sponsorship program.
So definitely we've seen a rise for many reasons that we can experience here.
And now, of course, with the new Trump's administration, we're also seeing a rise ofpeople

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reaching out from the US.
The uncertainty doesn't give us a clear pathway about what is going to happen in thefuture regarding LGBTQI refugees.
Are we going to be open to supporting them and their right to seek asylum?
Are we going to be cutting funding even further to settlement organizations that arealready struggling to provide support to migrants and refugees in general, and also, of

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course, impacting LGBTQI people?
We saw in BC how the ongoing challenges of affordable housing shortages, limitedhealthcare access and gaps in legal aid disproportionately impact LGBTQI refugees and
asylum seekers in not being able to get those services.
And then across provinces, we have also seen traveling trends of policies that roll backprotections for trans and non-binary people.

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And this shift in policies contribute to an increasing hostile environment that can makesettlement even more difficult for trans and non-binary people and queer people in
general.
So at the same time that we see in Canada shifting their narrative and the rhetoric aroundnewcomers and shifting their protections and rhetoric and narratives around trans people,

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it becomes an intersectional
risk to LGBTQI refugees and asylum seekers for sure.

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And Meta told employees Friday, given the shifting legal and policy landscape, thecompany's changing DEI programs focused on hiring, training, and picking suppliers.
Florida, Texas, Iowa, and Utah have all banned DEI offices and initiatives atuniversities.
Alabama has restricted them.
Some of the changes go beyond what the laws require.

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For instance, the University of Utah is getting rid of its Black Cultural Center, Women'sResource Center, and LGBT Resource Center.
Members of the LGBTQI community are, of course, not the only ones being targeted by theTrump administration.
The new U.S.
government has also taken steps to roll back initiatives promoting diversity, equity, andinclusion, or DEI, with an executive order mandating the termination of all DEI programs

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within the federal government, including positions such as chief diversity officers andequity-related grants
and contracts.
Federal departments are also now prohibited from issuing contracts to privateorganizations that enforce DEI frameworks.
That's led to a wave of DEI rollbacks across corporate America.

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Many states didn't wait long to pass laws designed to dismantle DEI policies and programsin schools and universities.
At Community Foundations of Canada,
Andrew Chunalal is seeing, in real time, the impact of Trump's policies on the work thatcommunity foundations do every day, and how they're having a spillover effect in Canada

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already.
I think leaders, particularly in the US, are just worried.
They don't want to be on the wrong side of this government because they seem to have apunitive response and a quick action.
And so I think there's a high degree of caution.
We're seeing companies in the news every single day abandoning their DEI programs,universities abandoning their DEI programs in the US.

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So obviously when fear is in the air, these are the types of reactions that you're goingto get.
More broadly speaking, what we've seen from Trump is a very targeted approach in anti-DEI,anti-CSR, anti-ESG, anti-equality, anti-climate change.

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And that is precisely where many nonprofit organizations have been working diligently forquite some time now.
You know, we have partners that are Canadian corporations that have parent companies inthe U.S.
are expressing a deep apprehension about doing that work in Canada now for fear ofretribution from the government in the U.S.

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And so this is creating and stoking a lot of anxiety and also a lot of people of color.
voted for this president, lot of women voted for this president.
My sense is that what people want is economic prosperity.
They want a strong economy and they're prioritizing that right now, recognizing that someof the trade-offs are going to be some of these policies that would have benefited them.

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I think that might be true in Canada as well.
So I think we really have to take stock in the work that we've been doing in those spacesand really understanding is this work valuable?
How can we do it better?
but also recognizing that we need to build a strong economy too.
And we need to support the government's activities in doing that.

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Economies keep us going.
We can't have policies that take away from building a resilient economy as well.
And I think the way that it's been framed is climate related endeavors and DEI and ESG andCSR are getting in the way of us having more profitable companies and stronger economies.
I think that's a false narrative.
I think they actually support

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The opposite and can be part of the solution.
I just think as a sector, we need to be better at articulating that and showing that thesetypes of frameworks can do good over time.
I think there's still this false narrative that, you know, all the things I talked about,DEI, CSR, ESG are getting in the way of companies expanding and growing and building

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profitability.
And I think that narrative is out there.
I think it's not completely accurate.
It's not supported by data.
When, you know, we had the accident, the terrible tragedy where we had the helicopter andthe airplane, when the president's first reaction is blaming it on DEI, that has an
impact.
And people start to believe and buy into that narrative because it's the president of theUnited States and his word carries a lot.

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I think it even impacts Canadians when they hear things like that and they start towonder, is this the truth?
And so we spend a lot of time trying to
fact check some of that information and really uncover what the truth actually is, whichis a difficult thing in 2025 trying to figure out what truth is.
I'm here to ask for your support.

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I'm here to earn your trust to lead that fight.
I'm back home in Edmonton to declare my candidacy for Leader of the Liberal Party andPrime Minister of Canada.
I'm running to be leader of the Liberal Party and our next Prime Minister.
I'm in this to fight for you.

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To fight for Canadians.
To fight for Canada.
Join me.
We are in this together.
We are at this place in this time because we have a job to do.
To pass on intact what we inherited from those who came before us to those who come afterus.
With federal elections just around the corner,

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As Canadians watch the flurry of draconian political measures being put in place south ofthe border, they're also bracing themselves for how these policies will affect the
political climate here.
Chris Holtz predicts that no matter which party is elected to lead the next federalgovernment, funding to the nonprofit sector will be sure to decrease.

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think that the reality is fiscal restraint is coming regardless of what party is in power.
I think
The magnitude may be different based on the flavor.
You know, if it's a blue punch that we're all drinking, then it's going to be muchtighter.
If it's the red punch that we have a drinking, it's not going to be the same.
It's going to be watered down.

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So what I mean by that is they've already signaled that the level of funding that's evenunder a liberal government, one that has been very loose on the taps, that is probably
changing.
So I think from a funding perspective, there's going to be change, but the magnitude isgoing to be different based on the brands that are elected.
No party has fully put out their platform and that process is literally underway rightnow.

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But the expectation, at least at the federal level, is that there will be some significantchanges in priorities.
And candidly, there probably is going to be reduction in funding that has been availablefor things like grants and contributions that charities and nonprofits rely on.
Or.
Some of the program areas where we currently provide a lot of funding may be changedfundamentally because there's a different vision for how that program should be delivered.

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And that might impact fee for service models that a number of charities and nonprofitsrely on.
As we wait to find out how our elections will play out and just exactly what kind of cardsthe Canadian nonprofit sector will be dealt, how should organizations take steps to
alleviate the damage that may be caused by the anticipated decreases in governmentfunding?

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Andrew Chinnallol offers some lessons he's learned from past crises.
If I could go back to the financial crises back in 2007 and 2008, the market.
had very significant declines in a very short period of time.
And it really dried up our granting reserves quickly.
And we learned a lesson from that, which is we can't have all of our assets in traditionalmarkets.

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We need to think about investing differently so that when markets take a turn, we've gotsome other ways to help community.
And we've done a lot of that through our mission-based investing, investing in socialenterprises, which are uncorrelated markets.
And so not impacted by
tariffs in the same way that traditional markets are.
So that's one thing.
During the pandemic, we had another downturn in the market as well, impacted our grantingreserves, but we're able to work with partners such as government to move a significant

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amount of capital into communities.
We're working with corporate organizations that were also moving capital into communities.
We will be continuing to work with government if there's bailout packages available forcommunities impacted or industries impacted, continuing to work with our corporate
partners.
who also have an investment in the communities in which they sell their goods, employpeople, et cetera, they may want to help and use a community foundation or a community

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foundation network in that regard.
And so although, yes, our own granting will experience some level of impairment through amarket downturn, we believe there's a lot of resources in the Canadian economy and we are
willing to work with anybody who has those resources and work with us to help deploy themand to support communities.
Nicole Dinesi has this advice about how organizations can organize and generatealternative sources of revenue in the event of decreased government funding.

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One of the things right off the bat is taking this moment in time to figure out and audityour revenue sources.
How much money comes in offline through Canada Post, for example.
How much comes in through social fundraising, peer-to-peer fundraising.
marathons, walkathons, those types of fundraising events.

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Understanding your monthly donors, understanding how much comes in through one-timedonations or legacy gifts or gifts in honor of someone, for example, really trying to take
an audit and an assessment of your revenue sources and consider that if you were to loseone of those revenue sources,

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A, what are the other revenue sources that you would have to turn to in order to make upfor that loss?
Or B, what would you need to do in terms of turning that revenue source back on, so tospeak?
And I wanna highlight two other more specific points because these are trends that wecontinue to see at Canada Helps and I think it's really important for charity leaders to

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know this.
One has to do with monthly giving and the other one has to do with securities.
So in terms of monthly giving, if your organization does not have a monthly givingstrategy, it is imperative that now is the time to make that happen.
So to give you a sense, in 2024, dollars raised through Canada helps through monthlygiving grew by about 8 % year over year.

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And that surpassed about $86 million on Canada helps.
And it is not only good for the charities that receive that funding because it is areliable financial foundation to allow for charities to make sure that they know what
money is coming into them month after month after month.

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So charities really need to own that.
And it's particularly helpful for younger donors as well who want to budget.
They're giving, example, they feel passionate about causes and it really helps them sortof stay on track and make sure that they don't forget to make a donation by the end of the
year.
Now, the other last point I'll make on this topic, if your charity is not on yoursecurities game in terms of securities donations, if securities is not an option on your

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site, this needs to be on the radar of organizations across the country.
We have seen
a really large growth in the number of securities donations on Canada Help.
So to give you again, a snapshot of 2024, we raised $57 million in securities donationslast calendar year, and that was nearly a 40 % increase from the year before.

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Now, of course, it is heavily tied to the stock market, which I need to acknowledge aswell, but making sure that you have that ability on your website to donate securities.
and we of course make it really easy at Canada Helps and deal with sort of the brokerprocess and all that sort of stuff.
You could potentially be losing big fundraising dollars from donors who have securitiesand they want to reduce their capital gains tax, for example.

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So I think that's a really important trend.
In addition to adopting new ways of raising funds, it may be time for nonprofits tocollaborate with other organizations.
Rethink how they operate.
and advocate for governments to also rethink their funding priorities.

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Carolyn Stewart has this to say.
What we're seeing is the old ways of how we do something is no longer working.
So we're trying to find more collaborative approaches to our work, whether that becollaborative leveraging of resources, finding ways to be more efficient.
We launched a new project called Feed Collaboration around food procurement to do it moreeffectively, which has been very successful.

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So overall, that's what we're really focusing on.
But either way, we know it's essential for the province to invest in the sustainability ofthe nonprofit sector and really to ensure that they can continue doing the work that they
are doing because it is essential.
What we've seen and why we've become more entrenched in the social safety net is becausewe've become progressively relied upon during economic downturns or to fill

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the holes left by bad public policies.
It's not surprising that our growth in need mirrors the lack of affordable housing beingbuilt in the last 40 years, the disinvestments that we've seen in our social support
programs over the last several decades.
All of these things are coming to a head at once.

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When you don't take care of something, it starts to fall apart.
What we're seeing is the result of decades of under investment in social programs.
And so they're increasingly relying upon nonprofits or charity organizations to fill thoseholes.
So Feed Ontario doesn't want food banks to continue as they traditionally have.

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In fact, we'd love to become unnecessary and extinct.
It would be wonderful, but I do think radical system change is needed for us to get there.
We need to see poverty as a key priority across the board because they don't understandthat an investment dollar proactively.

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can reduce costs, even if we're looking at it not in a social argument, but rather aneconomic argument, investing upfront, proactively to avoid that is such a return on
investment when it comes to success of people and communities in our province.
And as we're saying, prioritize people and make sure that poverty reduction is somethingthat they're looking to do and hopefully put us out of a job.

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Alex Dukeman also believes collaborating with other organizations is essential for thelong-term success of nonprofits.
also do a lot of coalition building.
We don't believe that just one organization or one person really should hold all theconversations or have all the answers.
So we engage in coalition building.
We hear from each other.

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We engage with newcomers and newcomers have leadership roles within our organizations, butalso engaging with Immigration Canada.
in being able to provide their own input about what's going on.
You know, I'm speaking to you on this podcast and we do other media awareness, raceawareness, and we bring the issues publicly and a lot of training and education.

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So what I would say is definitely engage in coalition building, in movement building firstwith the organizations who are doing the same work that you do.
and then together engage with the departments at the federal government that are able toprovide you with answers that you can relate to and be consistent.
One of the things that I was talking to an IRCC official not long ago, we were discussing,well, how do we make this happen?

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And I said, you know, for me, it's about repetition.
I will repeat myself as many times and we will repeat ourselves as many times until thatseed starts to grow.
And until also people take ownership of the idea.
So creating those relationships, I would say, and being honest and transparent in thoserelationships and doing it in a coalition building way, I think would be much more

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effective than trying to do it solo or bringing things in a very oppositional way.
would say collaboration is probably the main tool.
that has been very effective.
How do we collaborate with each other for the well-being of anyone who is in Canada rightnow?
Olga Stakova echoes the sentiment that nonprofits will achieve greater success inadvocating for their clientele if they can find ways of working collaboratively.

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At times when funding is scarce, is greater need to partner and leverage each other'sexpertise.
It is really time to map out the resources we collectively have.
and understand the role that expertise we each have to find ways to work collaborativelyand advocate jointly for the best outcomes of our clients.
I'll give you an example.
So in BC, we have a well-funded employment program called WordBC.

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And the immigrant-serving organization worked very closely with the employment serviceproviders to map out some of the key barriers that newcomers can face and maybe to lay
some gaps in WordBC services.
So we intentionally got together to understand, okay, there is...
this well-funded program providing wealth of supports, but we might not see newcomersactually go and get the benefits.

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Why is it?
And we were able to successfully advocate with the funders to change the eligibilitydefinitions and the type of services to ensure that newcomers don't fall through the
cracks.
So now, work-business services are open to refugee claimants.
Refugee claimants can come and seek services and get supports in getting employment.
They made language training and eligibility expense when

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helping newcomers achieve the language levels that are needed to participate in skillstraining programs.
And these are just a few examples of what's possible when we work together on identifyingthe barriers, on mapping out what services are there and advocating together.
The reality is not-for-profit sector is very dependable on government funding and socialservices should be funded by the various levels of government.

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As the non-profit sector faces these latest challenges,
and tries its best to handle ever-growing needs with increasingly reduced resources.
Nicole Dinesse offers an example of one way non-profits can help Canadians demonstratetheir values and mitigate the damage being done.
When Donald Trump was elected the first time, I actually remember we were seeing a fairnumber of individuals the day after the election donating to journalism charities or

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democracy charities, for example.
I remember maybe a month or so after the 2017 inauguration, there was quite a significantfundraiser in support of immigration charities, for example.
So we've also seen sort of spin-off fundraising campaigns that take issues that are in thenews and then use that as a fundraising point so that, and I know the word is rage

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donations, you know, making those rage donations of when people are not happy with what istaking place.
That is a lot to digest and ponder.
It's been a thought-provoking journey putting together this podcast.
We're at a moment in history where rapid foundational change is literally reshaping ourworld.

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It can't be overstated how important and transformational these changes to the politicaland economic landscape are.
and how smart and savvy the sector will need to become to navigate them.
I asked each of our guests to share some final reflections and words of advice.
The advice I'm giving myself every day is to listen and to hear what's going on, but thereis a big distance between rhetoric and reality.

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And you can get caught up in the rhetoric and that can create a lot of anxiety, stress andconcern.
But as leaders, we have to understand what's going on.
We have to be calm and we have to see that there is opportunity out there and that we cancome through this as a unified and united country.
I think at this moment, even though there is a number of reasons to be on edge and feelingthat uncertainty, the first realist step is really to just take a deep breath.

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Particularly for leaders in the sector, people are looking to you, donors, supporters,individuals who...
receive support from your organization, staff, volunteers, they are all looking to you tosteer this ship.
And I think that if I was to say anything to a charitable leader today is to sit down withyour finance team and figure out where your money is coming in and try to safeguard and

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figure out ways to understand if one of those funding sources goes down.
What are the other doors that you could potentially open to try to make up for thatfunding loss?
Historically, not-for-profits are very focused on services.
We put all the energy and efforts into serving clients and making our services the best.
We don't necessarily look at our organizational stability and resilience.

(01:04:34):
And those are the things I think we need to strengthen because there's a lot of peoplethat depend on social service organization and will continue to depend.
So how do we as organization also build our own capacity to manage
change in these times, to be able to do appropriate decision-making and risk assessmentbecause we'll have fewer resources.
We need to use them in the best way that provides the most, the highest return on ourinvestment.

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And we need be very selective what we pursue.
So what is our process to get to the decisions?
And I think that's part that our sector is now looking at how do we strengthen our abilityto do that and pivot as we need to based on thoughtful decision-making and understanding
the risks.
One of the things that we have learned at Rainbow Refugee and that I have learned in myown personal journey has been how to do this work from a solidarity perspective more than

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a charity perspective.
And this is a shifting paradigm around NGOs because when you do it from a solidarityperspective, you are not only thinking that the need is on the other side, you're not
othering the person who's needing the support.
You're not thinking that you have all the answers and then the other person is in need andyou're here to provide them with the answers, but you are co-creating those answers.

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People have so much to teach us about their cultures, about their practices, about how wecan support each other in community.
So I would say if we can maybe research and inquire what are the differences betweencoming from a solidarity perspective and a charity perspective.
and shift that paradigm, think it will make for stronger communities and for communitiesof belonging to contribute to our societies in better ways.

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Yeah, I think take a breath.
Remember that the work that you do is vitally important.
Remember to share the stories of the people you serve because you are making such anincredible difference in their lives every single day.
And also just get out there and vote.
To be quite honest, your strongest tool and those in the community is your voice.

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So make sure to encourage everyone in your community to participate in the democraticprocess.
I think the 2022 election had the lowest voter turnout ever on record.
So if we can encourage people to share what they want to see in their communities, I thinkthat that's the first step in getting there and to remain hopeful because change is

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possible if we all want it to be there.
That brings to a close our second of two episodes on navigating political and societalchange.
Big issues to think about at a momentous time in history.
I'd like to thank our guests for sharing their insights and wise counsel.

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And I hope the podcast provides you with new strategies, advice, and perhaps even a littlecomfort as you navigate these tumultuous times.
Be sure to visit our website and our show notes for more information on the resources,reports and programs mentioned in this episode.
If you'd like to hear more of what our guests have to say, check out our full videointerviews on our website.

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Please take a moment to check out our website at charityvillage.com.
Up next on Charity Village.
We're going to tackle another big issue on the minds of many.

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What does population growth mean for nonprofits and charities?
Recently, we've seen significant increases in our population.
Unfortunately, without the commensurate increase in funding for housing, social services,health care and infrastructure.
Problems were so severe that the federal government had to walk back immigration numberswith significant cuts.

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saying they didn't get the balance quite right.
Although Canada is now curtailing immigration, our population is expected to risenonetheless.
What does population growth mean for non-profits and charities?
We'll hear from experts and professionals on the front lines of the charitable sectorabout the effects of a burgeoning population.

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I'm Mary Barrell.
Thanks for listening.