November 16, 2025 • 51 mins
Discover how your birthday is more than just a date—it's your cosmic blueprint. In this fascinating episode, professional numerologist Novalee Wilder reveals how understanding the hidden meanings behind your personal numbers can transform your relationships, career choices, and life purpose.
Novalee shares her incredible journey from Danish actress to renowned numerology expert, including her powerful story of changing her own name and the life-altering results that followed. Learn how numerology differs from astrology, what your life path number reveals about you, and why some people experience "karmic debt" while others possess rare "master numbers."
Whether you're new to numerology or looking to deepen your understanding, this episode offers practical insights into how the ancient science of numbers can help you navigate major life decisions with clarity and confidence.
KEY TAKEAWAYS
Your birthday is your cosmic blueprint - Numerology views your birth date as a divine assignment containing your life's purpose and lessons
Names carry energetic vibrations - The letters in your name create specific frequencies that influence how you experience life and how others perceive you
Master numbers are special - Numbers 11, 22, and 33 carry amplified energy and are not reduced to single digits
Name changes can transform lives - Changing your name to a more harmonious vibration can shift your life trajectory dramatically
Numerology is practical - It can be used for career guidance, relationship compatibility, business naming, and major life decisions
Your base number is foundational - This is the core energy you carry throughout life, calculated from your birthdate
Novalee Wilder is a Danish actress and artist turned professional numerologist and published author living in Los Angeles.She's the author of "A Little Bit of Numerology" and "A Little Bit of Angel Numbers," the host of The Numerology Podcast, and founder of The Numerology School. She offers name changing sessions, mentorships, training, and talks about the sacred spiritual science of numbers and letters.
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Rose (00:00):
The ancient science of numerology suggests your
birthday isn't just the day youwere born.
It's a cosmic blueprint foryour entire life journey.
Today, professionalnumerologist Novalee Wilder
breaks down how understandingthe hidden meaning behind your
personal numbers can help younavigate relationships, career
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choices and even your deepestpurpose.
Career choices and even yourdeepest purpose.
Ready to unlock your mostvibrant, authentic self, welcome
to Chat Off The Mat whereholistic wellness meets
practical wisdom andextraordinary transformation.
I'm your host, Rose Wippich.
I'm a Qigong instructor, yogateacher and a Reiki master.
(00:42):
So get ready for inspiringconversations with wellness
experts who understand yourunique journey, plus practical
tools for energy healing, lifetransitions and conscious and
soulful living.
Your journey to radiantwellness starts now.
Let's create magic together.
Novali Wilder is a Danishactress and artist, turned
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professional numerologist andpublished author living in Los
Angeles.
She's the author of A LittleBit of Numerology and A Little
Bit of Angel Numbers and thehost of the Numerology podcast
and founder of the NumerologySchool.
Welcome Novalee.
I'm so happy you're here.
I'm so excited.
Novalee (01:28):
Thank you.
I'm so happy and so honored tobe here and excited to talk.
Rose (01:32):
Well, I've never had anyone on the show yet that is a
numerologist and to talk aboutnumerology, and I'm fascinated
by the topic and I'm sure mylisteners will be as well.
So what I would like for you totalk about first is what your
story like.
Tell us about Novalee, whatdrew you to exploring
numerology, but also helpingothers, and just what brought
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you here.
Novalee (01:59):
So well.
First of all, I didn't startout as Novalee.
I guess that is helpful toknow, since we're talking
numerology and everyone has astory with their name and about
their name.
I love hearing stories aboutwhy are people named, what they
are named or who they're namedafter, and there's just as many
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good stories where people areexcited and identify with their
name and feel like, oh, this ispart of my identity and maybe
I'm proud there can be somelineage or stuff like that.
And there's just as many peoplewho are like I don't like my
name.
I always have to spell it Likemaybe I was made fun of, maybe
I'm named after someone that myfamily doesn't like anymore.
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There was a falling out.
So I have a weird story aboutmy name too, where, like my mom
had picked a name, then on theway to the church or when I was
going to get, like, baptized,she came up with a different
name.
And then the priest who waslike writing my name and like he
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switched the names.
So like he was supposed towrite like one sequence of names
and he just switched them upand then I didn't know I had
multiple names.
I thought I just had one firstname, like Christine was my
given name, with a C-H.
Rose (03:22):
I was going to ask if it was with a K, because you're
Danish.
I didn't know.
Okay.
Novalee (03:26):
No, it would have been better with a C-H.
I was going to ask if it waswith a K because you're famous.
I didn't know.
Okay, no, it would have beenbetter with a K.
But then when I was eight yearsold, I saw my like birth
certificate or something for thefirst time and I realized that
my first name was actually notChristine, it was Ava.
And as any good eight-year-oldchild goes, like, I don't want
my old name, I want this newname.
(03:46):
Um, so from that on, like therewas kind of a split where
everyone knew I met and, likepeople in my school, my friends
would all call me Ava, my familywould call me Christine and
that can it's, it's funky inyour mind over time because
there is identity in names shortnames, long names.
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And you know, as Ava grew up,christine kind of stayed a child
or stayed in like that familyconstellation.
And I think at some point in my20s I actually told my family,
hey, can we all just call meAva, like that would be nice.
I don't feel like I don'tconnect with Christine and they
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were a little grumbly about it.
But, ok, ok, yeah, I guess.
And then in my late 20s I wentto New York to study acting and
I went through a bunch of likepersonal shifts and I really
recommend everyone at any pointin life that it's really helpful
sometimes to leave everythingyou know behind and get to be
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whoever you want to be.
And as I was like being whoeverI wanted to be, I was
introduced to numerology and theconcept of name change and I
had a really good friend gothrough a name change and a
bunch of things like justshifted in her life in a way
where I was like wow, this islike magic, like this is more
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than I've ever seen for youbefore.
And so I ended up having asession with a numerologist and
it was really something I hope Inever do to my clients.
I hope I don't scare them.
It it was like scarily accurateand she was very like the
gloves were off.
She was very like I don't wantto call it like brutal, but she
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was very honest about the impactthat was of my name and it was
very like accurate.
And so she was likeunfortunately, we can't just
change one or two names here orchange the spelling or whatever
like if you want to changethings, you have to change your
entire name, and I was likeshit, that's big.
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But I was also at a point in mylife in general I'm like a go
big or go home kind of person.
I'm like I mean, if you don'treally leap, you don't really
leap, you don't really know.
Certain things we can change alittle habit, we can get to it
over time.
Other things you do have tojump in with both feet.
So I decided to change my name,my entire name, all of my names
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first, middle, last names and Idid so.
And the beautiful thing aboutthe time I can't do that now
because I live in the US likefull-time, but in the wonderful
Danish system it's all likedigital and you like log in
money and like like ripplesthrough all the institutions and
banks and your doctor andeverything just gets updated.
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So you literally have thatfeeling of becoming someone new
on paper immediately and thatname change.
I mean from a numerologistperspective.
I understand why it changed somany things Like now I
understand the energy and I'vestudied it and I know about
numbers and names and identityand the filters and name
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vibrations can be on who we areand what we're meant to do.
I also know some more aboutlike trauma and nervous system
work.
I understand something aboutlike the personas we sometimes
present to other people and howthey are tied to things like
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names, but like so many thingschanged, you know, like on a
physical level, like aches andpains and certain things, I lost
weight like that was a bigthing Very shortly after I met
the man that I'm now married toand like before then I had
really kind of sworn off loveand I was like I'm not good with
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it, it's never going to happen,it's fine.
And like I was never married,like interested in like getting
married or anything like this.
And like after I kissed him thefirst time I was like damn it,
I will have to marry this guy.
So like a great love story wasalso born from this.
And like there are many layersand like not all name changes do
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the same thing, because we'renot all supposed to do the same
thing.
Um, but like luck wasintroduced on a whole new level,
like I mean we won the greencard lottery, which was
wonderful, so we could stay inthe us together.
I mean later down thenumerology path, like an editor
reaching out to me and beinglike hey, do you want to write a
book about numerology.
That's not usually how it goeswhen people write books, right?
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it's true, yeah, and I have likea long list of like luck,
things like that also.
Rose (08:37):
Um, but yeah, like I mean almost yeah it's like you change
your name and all these thingsstarted to come and and I'm sure
some of these things wereprobably subconsciously
manifesting, and then you changeyour name.
And then how did you determineto to to choose this name?
Is it, was it through becauseyou could have picked other
names that maybe created thesame numerical vibration?
(09:00):
Yeah, yeah, so because it's apretty name, thank you.
Novalee (09:07):
Uh, so, like my numerologist gave me name lists
and that's what I do too Like Ipicked the name vibration, but
there will be hundreds, if notthousands, if more than 10,000
names with like that vibration.
So, like, um, like, one of mymiddle names are Marlo, but it
has the same vibration as Karen,so I could also have had Karen
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as a middle name and like mejust saying Karen, like we
already get, like there'ssomething about names and when
you look at them and likethere's something very
empowering about the process ofpicking out your own name and
pulling on like maybe there'ssome archetypes or like it's
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also truly okay I had thisconversation with myself it's
truly okay to just go for themost beautiful thing you can put
together.
There's also sometimes, youknow, like, I have clients
across the world and there'salso sometimes, you know, like I
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have clients across the world.
Sometimes it's like people goand they are allowed to go
fully.
For, you know, like the youknow country you're in, there
might be limits to what kind oflast names or like combinations
of names you can do.
Yeah, so I like I just looked atthe names and I knew, like I
mean, I was called Ava.
So like I knew I likedsomething with A in it.
So like Nova, nova Lee was justkind of perfect for me.
And like some people call meNova and some people call me
Nova Lee was just kind ofperfect for me.
And like some people call meNova and some people call me
Nova Lee and funnily enough,I've had like a million versions
of Christine and Ava where Ihated what people turned it into
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and with Nova and Nova Lee,like I don't mind at all and I
also don't mind having to spellit and I don't mind even when
people mispronounce it having tospell it, and I don't mind even
when people mispronounce it.
So sometimes, like some ofthose, when when people are,
when something great with a nameand like it feels like it's not
quite fitting, sometimes I saymaybe there is something you
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should know about that vibrationand how it impacts you, and
maybe there is even.
Um, yeah, I can't share thedetails of that, but like in
America, people love to shortennames, like they really do Names
or short names or letters onlyright?
Rose (11:31):
You know like.
Novalee (11:31):
Jennifer will always be Jen or Jenny or something like
that.
Like, benjamin will be Ben, andsometimes these, like, cuter,
shorter versions don't actuallyfit Like the energy of the
shorter version.
What's the shooter?
The short and cute version ofthe don't actually fit Like the
energy of the shoot of theshorter version.
Was the shooter?
The short and cute version ofthe names doesn't fit, and so
sometimes, like when I havesessions, it's also just to give
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people permission to be like.
You know what I like Benjamin.
Call me Benjamin instead ofBen.
Like, like, like you cansometimes take back the longer
name because it actually fitsyou better.
Rose (12:06):
yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
So so it's part of what you dois you help people if they need
to change their name.
Help them find the theappropriate name.
But let's, let's talk a littlebit, and you do that also with
businesses.
It's not just name for names,but do it for businesses for
anything else that they need anappropriate name for, to help
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them find that vibration withinthat.
Novalee (12:30):
Yeah, I mean babies, children, people, pets I have
helped name pets, houses.
At times I've named somehouses.
Yeah, like books and recordsand programs and products.
Like the strongest energy willalways be your own, which is
also why your personal name isgoing to have the biggest
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impact.
But if you want to get nittygritty, of course it also
impacts, like a book, what thetitle is, or like a record with
the name of that.
Like, yeah, sometimes you canpick like the name of one of the
songs and use that as like therecord title, but other times
there are other likeimplications and like when, like
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we pick the date that somethinggoes live, and stuff like that
too.
Rose (13:14):
Yeah, I know that there is a base number you talk about in
because there's different typesof numerology and we'll talk
about the type that obviouslyyou use.
So the importance of a basenumber right, there's an
importance and benefits behind aperson's base number.
So talk, can you talk aboutthat from like the foundational
stuff?
Novalee (13:32):
Yeah, when we look at a birthday, depending on what
kind of numerologist we are, wewill like zoom in on different
numbers.
So I'm a Chaldean numerologistand I'm going to zoom in on the
day you were born, just the day,not the month, not the year,
just the day, and I'm going tofind the digit sum of that day.
So if you're born on the 1st,you're a 1.
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Lovely simple.
If you're born on the 10th,you're also a 1, because 1 plus
0 is 1.
If you're born on the 28th,like me, you're also a one,
because two plus eight is 10 andone plus zero is one.
And that's how we look at thedate.
So if you have a double digitday, you find the digit sum and
you know the base number of thisperson.
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Of course it matters what thesun sign is, and sometimes we
get those like wonderful dateswhere it's like 777 or something
like that.
Like, sometimes we have to lookat the repeating numbers in a
birthday too, but we alwaysreduce double digits to a digit
sum, which means that also, whenwe look at a year, like I'm
born in 1986, 1 plus 9 plus 8plus 6, you're going to get 24.
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And then 2 plus 4 is 6.
So my second base number, myfirst base number is one from
being born on the 28th.
Rose (14:48):
My second base number, or my yearly base number, is from
the year I was born in oh, it'sfrom the year, so you have a
second, a first base number andthen a second base number.
Novalee (14:58):
Yes, and these two base numbers.
If people are familiar withastrology, you can think about
it kind of like as like your sunand rising, you know, like your
big and like a year, we wouldtreat your sun sign as part of
your big three, like that.
But I would, I would rank themfirst base number, second base
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number and then sun sign if Iwas looking at it like that.
And these numbers are dancingin your life, they are like,
they are creating a rhythm,they're creating an impact, they
are an imprint on yourpersonality.
Or you could also say, likethey are the doors you have
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decided to walk through as asoul in this lifetime and be
colored by and imprinted by andaffected by.
The most important one is yourfirst base number.
So the day you were born, whichis like a side note.
When, like Americans write umthe month first, I always find
that like interesting somehow,like why, why would you start
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with the month?
Because the day is the mostimportant?
Um?
So the day is like where wehave the life goals and life
lessons and we have thechallenges and gifts and each
base number is kind of needed.
I see, I see this sometimeswhere people find their base
number and they getdisappointed.
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They're like, oh, but I don'twant to be a two.
Or like it sounds like sevensare weak.
Or it sounds like if I'm eight,I'm an eight, I'm just doomed,
because it's like karmic and I'mmore seeing it like if you look
like a palette of colors, youcouldn't just remove the red
because like, oh, red is a lotLike some of us are here to be a
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lot.
You also couldn't just be like,oh, red is a lot Like some of
us are here to be a lot.
You also couldn't just be like,well, white is boring, like
it's not really even a color,and I'm like sometimes we need
something that is not everythingelse.
Sometimes we need somethingthat is in between, something
that can connect other colors orwater them down just a little
bit.
These are some of the images Iuse in my sessions as well.
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So looking at your base numberis going to tell us something
about who you want to be as asoul in this lifetime.
Looking at your second basenumber is going to tell us
something about your innerexperience and also where you
run to if you kind of getthwarted in your first base
number.
So if any of us are woundedsufficiently, we will retreat
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into our second base number andlive from that a little bit more
and we might feel a little bitsafer and a little less like.
It's interesting, like we willfeel less threatening to others
and that will make us feel alittle bit safer.
But it's not really like wewill feel less threatening to
others and that will make usfeel a little bit safer.
But it's not really where thegold is, it's not really where
the growth is.
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It's more supposed to be like asupporting character in this
little dance between thenumbers.
So, and often when I talk topeople I can tell they feel more
seen in their second basenumber, and then I know we have
to have that conversation aboutlike there might be some trauma
around their first base number,for example.
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I don't know.
Um, most people don't reallyget offended or hurt by words
that don't hit home.
If I said to you, rose, oh,you're so wishy-washy you'll
never make a decision, you'd bea little like, uh well, that's
not really true, so I don't.
I mean you must not be talkingabout me.
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But if I said well, rose,sometimes you come off a little
strong, I might use words, wordslike bossy.
Or someone might have said,like micromanaging or like you
know, like controlling,controlling they might have used
some of those words and youwould go well, I mean, I mean, I
don't like hearing it, butmaybe on some level I understand
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that like it's who I can be orit's what I can be judged for.
So some of those, like I seeevery number as a spectrum.
So like in the low end of likethe nine spectrum for you
because you're a nine, we shouldadd that because you're born on
27th and it's the same for meas a one, because we have
leadership qualities in thesetwo numbers, because we have
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leadership qualities in thesetwo numbers, like you're going
to find that micromanagingslightly manipulating, because,
like we have to do it this way.
Like I know it's the best way,I will make you do it, you know,
like it's better for you,right?
Yeah, like you know, we'regoing to talk about the low end
of the leadership spectrum wherewe no one likes to be and we've
all had a boss or someone inour life who's tried to do that
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and sometimes it also helps assomeone, like when you
understand your own spectrum,you can go wow, I'm trying to,
I'm really trying to like comeup with ways to get this person
to do something that they reallydon't seem to want to do.
Or like I'm feeling a littlepowerless in certain areas of my
life, so I'm trying to exertpower in some other areas, to
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kind of like gain back someterritory.
Or like, yes, self-sufficiency,like who?
Okay, maybe there's a differentway, maybe there's a different
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way.
I can also like I use this Allof the leadership numbers can
kind of be reduced to critics,like the in this one or your
link didn't work, and like westart like telling other, like
we're, like you're not doing itright, like you're supposed to
be this leading thing,authority, whatever, you're not
doing it right, and that cancome some like, if you squeeze a
leader enough, sometimes thecritic will come out.
Or like the, what I call theproofreader, and some people
spend their entire lives in thelower end of the spectrum.
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This is not to like talk downon people, but sometimes we also
need an invitation to becomebigger and to like realize we
have more influence and that wedon't have to manipulate our way
to doing it.
This got very dark, but it wasjust too like.
Rose (21:21):
No, it makes a lot of sense and, being aware of how
you are as a person, and thenunderstanding your numerology,
you can make changes.
So you're not always stuck inthat nine.
And I have to tell you, mysecond base is a one, so I've
got to look.
Novalee (21:34):
No, there is no way to run.
Rose (21:37):
Yeah, sorry, I'm hearing you.
I'm like, oh my gosh, what iswrong with me?
Well, it's wonderful.
I mean it's wonderful.
Novalee (21:43):
I think it's also really interesting.
I love having sessions withpeople who have especially
women, who have a lot of theseleadership numbers.
Much work you do, you.
There is also that like genderissue where it's just like you
have to figure out whatleadership looks like to you and
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you have to make it almost likea female word, because to a lot
of people when I say leader,they go I can't be that kind of
like when I say you know that?
Um, that game or whatever it islike.
Imagine a doctor.
And then like they put up ascenario and then they say do
you realize that in your headthe doctor was always male and
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the nurse was always female,even though in the real scenario
the doctor was female and thenurse was male of being in
leadership or being an authorityor having impact or having
power or having to have peoplefollow your lead.
It's like, yeah, there'ssomething like shame and guilt
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tied to it for women.
There is something that kind ofgets like galvanized when we
have two leadership numbers, orif people have the same number
is as their and second basenumber, right, okay, so if I
have a session with someonewho's a double two and two is
connected to the moon and cancerand dreaming fun.
They have life lessons abouthaving fun.
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It's literally on the menu.
And when I talk about beingsensitive and creative to them,
sometimes they're like I don'tsee any of that as like a
weakness and I'm like no, Iknow, but to a lot of people who
had like a stronger first basenumber and a gentler or weaker,
whatever you want to call itsecond base number, they would
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have a strong feeling of one ofthem being more powerful and one
of them being more like soft,what could also say like um,
expansive and kind of likeimploding a little bit, you
know, like moving inwards.
So, like you, when you have nineand one, there is like you run
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into another leader.
When you get challenged and itmight also be, I would say, like
even a simpler leader that kindof drills things down to the
essence, because nine might be alittle also tied into some of
the spiritual aspects or some oflike the higher visions for
what leadership should be, andthen, if you get pushed into the
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one, it's like well, what needsto be done?
Yeah, like, what do we need?
Okay, you don't want to hearabout the vision.
Rose (24:24):
Like, okay, fine, yeah, that's, that's how I am, yeah,
so so your book I know you havea.
Your book is a little bit ofnumerology and we were talking
about this, and what I loveabout this is it really is
compact, it's filled withinformation, so someone can look
up their base number and comein here and learn about
themselves really and you getinto some detail about their
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base number, which is nice, andit's not in a very complicated
form, it's simplistic.
Novalee (24:53):
So it's a good start.
I try to make it very simple.
Rose (24:56):
Yeah, it's a really great start.
So calculating your basenumber, finding that and then
determining your second base,and then you have it in this
book.
And then you also were talkingabout the month.
Is the sun sign, right?
Yeah, and you say that numberone is Leo.
How do you do?
How does that work?
Because I'm thinking, okay,well, typically within astrology
is Aries is the number onesign, so how is Leo?
Novalee (25:19):
one.
Yeah, so some of the numbers,because there are more sun signs
than numbers, so some of themare going to share.
This also leads back tonumerology is an old spiritual
science so, like Chaldean,numerology is at least 3,000
years old, probably more.
Rose (25:38):
Yeah, they're both old, right.
Yeah, that's great.
Least at least 3 000 years old,um, probably more.
Novalee (25:41):
But we just kind of like, yeah, um, great.
And so there's like an overlapwith um indian numerology and at
that point in time they wereusing and looking at um sun
signs and like the, the planets,as like there would be a good
version and a bad version.
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I think in astrology it's likea malefic or something like that
oh yeah so like, for example,one and four shared the sun um
as a planet, where one was thegood and four was the bad.
Rose (26:16):
I see.
Novalee (26:17):
Okay.
And then later, when they gotlike, when they realized, oh,
there are more planets, theywere like, oh, let's change it,
so.
So some like one is Leo and twois cancer, and like we could
like, sometimes I also thinkabout them, like you can find
them all in the book.
You could also think about themas, like the elements, they
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also all tie into an element andso all of the um like all the
signs are like Leo's fire,cancer's water.
Is that your friend?
yeah, right and I would also saythat, like you will probably
find, for most people I dosessions with, there is often
some form of overlap in liketheir big three and their base
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numbers.
So for example, for me I'm aone and I'm also a leo, so
that's like double up on that.
And then I'm like my secondbase number is six and my rising
sign is cancer, and two and sixkind of share that water
element, so like from anumerology, astrology
perspective, like my two chartssay the same thing.
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Oh wow, that's interesting yeah,and like that, I have yet to
meet someone.
I'm not saying they don'texist, of course they do where
there isn't some kind ofoverlap, which is also one of
the things I like about like allof these old systems, is that
like we're looking at the sameterrain but with different maps
yeah so they should agree onsome things.
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And I've had, like because I'mso curious, you know, I've had
sessions with othernumerologists or other
numerology systems I think Idon't remember what this is
called, oh, soul code orsomething like that where it was
very clear that the core sourceof their understanding of
numbers were the same.
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They were just using itslightly differently.
So like if you looked at mynumerology chart, you're going
to see a lot of one energy,because also of the leo and
everything.
I'm like cool.
And they were like we don't, wedon't see one, we see nine, but
we connect nine to Leo.
And I was like okay, so you, weagree, you just you're using a
different number, but you'rebasically seeing the same
energy.
Rose (28:29):
So like I mean, I find that with this is my test for
whenever I meet a new system.
Is it like?
Can I see the same terrainunderneath that Numerology also
can?
You can also identify thedynamics in your own households
right by knowing the basenumbers of the people you're
married to, your children, yoursiblings, people you work with.
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So having if you get to knowtheir birthdays right, you can
say, okay, well, they're aneight and this is the way they
operate, so I can approach themin this way.
Does that work as well?
Novalee (29:01):
Yeah, and I love doing that because I know that, like,
if you understand the spectrumof a base number, you can invite
them higher.
And I feel like that's the.
I mean, we all want to inviteit higher in our own spectrum,
we all want to be seen.
It's not to be seen for like afake potential, but it's just
like one step up the ladder.
So it's like how do we phrase aquestion, how do we frame a
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request?
If we need someone to dosomething?
Like, if I have to ask aleadership number to do
something, I would do thatdifferently than one of our
connectors or one of ournurturers.
Because I also know that ifyou're dealing with authority,
you have to respect thatauthority Right.
Sometimes people have foundthemselves in places where I'm
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like you have absolutely noauthority here, but you're
acting like you have some.
So maybe you're a leadershipmember who has found themselves
on the wrong shelf and if Iacknowledge the authority I see
in you, I'm going to get betterservice from you, or I'm going
to get, like, a betterinteraction because you're going
to feel more seen.
And this is not manipulation,this is just speaking to what is
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underneath what it might appearto be.
Sometimes you know, like whenpeople have a job, that we think
you could do more than this,and I'm gonna just talk to the
part of you that could do moreand also like you're not
manipulating them, like you saidyou're not, you're just um,
you're just creating a betterenvironment to collaborate.
Rose (30:35):
so so, just as an exercise, just uh, if I can go
through this, because we've beentalking so much and I know
people out there are like, oh mygosh, this numerology stuff but
if we can just go through eachnumber, just to nine, and just
give me one, can you give me oneword that identifies each one?
Novalee (30:49):
Oh God, is that possible?
I can try.
Rose (30:53):
Okay, okay, so a one.
Novalee (31:05):
Two words.
It has to be two words um.
Cheer leader, okay,cheerleader, yeah, two um I
think I would say like sensitiveheart okay, yeah, you said
sensitive before for two, yeah,three Ambition Four Rebel Five.
(31:25):
I mean I would say friend.
I think that's that they mightnot feel so, seen by that Like
connector.
Rose (31:36):
Okay.
Novalee (31:40):
Six, the lover or the artist, I would say Seven oh,
we're going to get fancy.
It's like saying, like thechannel from heaven.
Rose (31:53):
Oh, I like that.
The seven, okay, eight.
Novalee (31:56):
I would like to say it's not black and white.
Okay, because they think thingsare black and white.
Rose (32:03):
Ah, okay.
Novalee (32:04):
At times.
Rose (32:04):
Okay, and the nine?
Novalee (32:07):
I mean because it's the end of the line.
So there's some like I mean wecould say that the final
challenge or the final gift.
Yeah, it's nice.
I don't know if these were sohelpful, but it's a good start.
Rose (32:27):
I just wanted to make people curious.
I know they're probablycalculating in their heads now
Okay, what's my base number?
What does it mean?
But everyone should buyNovelu's book anyway.
So that gives you a goodstarting point to learn
numerology.
But I'd like to transition alittle bit into also angel
numbers.
I know people talk about angelnumbers and you have a book
about that as well.
(32:48):
Can you talk about angelnumbers then?
And how you came about writingthe book and just a little bit
of energy around.
Novalee (32:56):
Yeah.
So I first have to say that alittle bit of Angel Numbers is a
slightly different Angel Numberbook, simply because it's based
on the Chaldean system, whichmeans that if you read a little
bit of numerology or you readsome Chaldean numerology books
and then you read a little bitof Angel Numbers, you're going
to go.
I see what she did there,because I see that a lot of
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other angel numbers and thereare lots of great ones are a
little more channeled, which hasits own merit.
But I felt like part of my workof doing those little bit of
books is also like how can youbecome your own expert a little
bit and how can you understandthe system to a level where you
can apply the system even thoughyou can't read a little bit of
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numerology?
And I would say, call yourselfa professional numerologist.
You need a little bit more thanthat.
But I want you to be able toapply it really fast and that
usually means here's the system.
So I wrote a little bit of angelnumbers because I was buried in
requests.
I'm not complaining, I'm notcomplaining, but I'm just like
people were like what does thismean?
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What does that mean?
Do you want to do an articleseries.
Do you want to do a 10-partarticle series?
Do you want a second 10-partarticle series about angel
numbers?
And I was like wow, and thiswas like in 2022, 2023, and
there was like a real resurgencein like the mainstream of angel
numbers and people were writingarticles about seeing 11, 11
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and what does it mean?
And like, yeah, a whole thingabout like uh, I think angels in
general too.
Rose (34:28):
There's a lot of um yeah discussion and uh curiosity
about the angels yeah butthere's also a general like.
Novalee (34:37):
Spirituality is always going mainstream, I guess.
But, like you know, people weregetting angel number tattoos.
They're probably still gettingangel number tattoos and I was
like this is definitely likereaching a level where, you
know, I have something to sayabout it.
So with that one, I reached outto my editor and was like, hey,
angel numbers, would that belike a good next book to write?
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And she was like, yes, let's doit.
So that's why I wrote it and Ialso wrote it like you can find
the first a thousand angelnumbers and you can find your
repeating numbers.
But I also really wanted towrite a little bit about, like,
how to go deeper with this.
Like, from a more spiritualperspective, I find angel
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numbers to be like a gatewaydrug.
It's often angel like.
Seeing numbers is oftensomething people do when they're
in some kind of transition orwhen they have that first Like
touch point with somethingtalking back to them and not
just them, maybe having a littlemeditation practice or maybe
doing a little prayer here andthere, but like have this
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feeling of like, oh, I think, Ithink I'm getting messages, I
think something is trying totalk to me or I keep seeing this
thing over and over again, orit could be a lucky number.
You could see it on licenseplates.
It could be like your birthdayor someone significant's
birthday.
There could be a lot of likeimplications and people usually
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feel very like oh, something ishappening, this is exciting, and
then at some point they go.
I don't know what to do with it.
And that's why you should pickup a little bit of angel
numbers.
That's what you should do andthen you should not just
understand the system, but alsounderstand a little bit about,
like, how, how the angelsoperate and how like subtle some
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of this information and andmessaging is.
And like subtlety is a lost artin general.
And, um, I do think that, whilesocial media is doing much
good, I also think it's dullingour senses, um, to a certain
degree and I mean I also studyneuroscience, so they're like
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certain certain things in ourbody that are just not used to
the amount of information andimpact and images.
Um, we kind of like fill our cupwith some of those things and
it's too much, though, yeahyeah, and there's less space for
god or the angels or justyourself, because I feel like
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some of this is also likecreating space for an
understanding.
Rose (37:16):
Like things like angel numbers is like creating space
for an understanding like thingslike angel numbers is like
creating space for theconversation you are basically
always having with your higherself in some way and when,
those, when we see these numbersand their repeated patterns,
patterns sometimes it's nicejust to pause and maybe even
think about like what you werethinking or what you were doing,
or or even write it down andsay this is what I saw, and see
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if there's like a pattern, andtry to interpret that pattern.
But it is definitely aconnection to angels.
You know, there's that energythat they're saying hey, this is
some kind of message, like yousaid.
Novalee (37:51):
Yeah, and also I mean there are general messages.
That's why I wrote the book.
You can find your generalmessage and you can find your
personal angel number.
Over time, I also feel like youkeep asking this question how
would you answer it?
You know, like sometimes peopleare like, oh, I keep seeing
this, what does it mean?
And sometimes I say what do youthink it means?
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Right, what did you think itmeant when you saw it Thursday?
Or like you can make a, I'veseen it all these times.
Okay, do any of these timeshave something?
like sometimes I'm like I don'tknow.
Yeah, but be like a spiritualexploration is also becoming
your own teacher a little bit.
Rose (38:32):
Yeah, so I mean I connect with angels, so I have
conversations with them, right?
So?
And I may have repeated thesame conversations with them,
asking them for, can you justgive me some guidance or help?
And you know, they'll show me,and it could be in numbers, and
it could be in a repeatedpattern in numbers, and then
I'll be like, okay, what doesthat mean, or whatever.
(38:52):
So, having that conversationand not just waiting for these
answers and thinking they'rerandom.
They may not be random, you mayalready be having these
conversations in your head withthese angels and not realizing
it, but have them, have theconversations with them and have
them show you what thesenumbers are, or signs or
whatever.
Just like you said, you couldsee a license plate or a house
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number or somebody's birthdayshow up.
When you're thinking aboutthem.
I know, like for me, mybirthday.
Every time I look at my watch,my birthday will pop up and I
always think, well, that's mymom telling me.
She's around, that's, you know,because she's passed.
So, that's you know 127.
Every time I see it I'm like,oh, that's her and it was
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something I associate with her.
So now I feel that's comfortingevery time I see that.
Novalee (39:39):
Yeah, and that's also I mean.
Sometimes people are lookingfor really big answers and
sometimes the answer is justcomfort, right, Like.
Sometimes the answer is justlike you're good, you're good,
you're doing the right thing,yeah, you're all right and I'm
here.
I mean, which is also, like,mostly why people turn to
spiritual things like am Ialone?
(40:00):
No, yeah, are you sure?
Yes, are you really sure?
Yeah, we're like okay.
Rose (40:09):
Yeah, I love that.
Are there ways we can integratenumerology into our lives that
we haven't talked about?
Novalee (40:17):
I mean understanding people and what they're here to
do.
That's really helpful.
Also, sometimes understandingif you go deeper into it, like
certain name vibrations.
I liken them to like filters.
We all understand filters.
In this day and age ofInstagram, we understand that
sometimes you put a filter onthings and it looks very
different than when you didn'thave the filter on.
(40:38):
And that's the thing with namevibrations understanding.
Um, you can understand yourfamily better, like when I
changed my last name and nolonger carried my dad's last
name.
I actually understood himbetter by not carrying the same
filter as him.
I'm sure he has maybe issueswith it, who knows?
Like what are we going to do?
But like, I understood my dadso much better.
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And I also look at my sisters,knowing their base numbers and
their name vibrations and thepeople they married, which means
like the energy they invited inand the energy they then had
like children with and like howthose children interact and how
there is all like some energiesplaying out and there are ways
like some energies playing outand there are ways we can
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understand each other and thereare ways we can understand each
other, so we don't have to try.
Like there's also sometimeslike, not a giving up, but just
an acceptance of like.
Oh, this is who you are and Imight talk a certain way and
explain myself a certain way,but through your filter, these
words will always be turned intosomething slightly different.
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Like, some people aremarinators, what I call it
where, like, you put somethinginto them, like you talk to them
about something whatever, andthey go in the marinade and what
comes out of the marinade issometimes something where you're
like I don't really thinkthat's what I said or how I
meant it, but that's how you'retaking it, and I have to
sometimes know that that whatcomes out of the marinade of
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some people is like they're allbrand of brilliant and crazy and
that's what they're here to do.
So, understanding people,interacting with them I mean, I
use it to vet people Like that'snot like a.
I never want to be one of thosepersons like I can't work with
a Scorpio or something likethat.
But I definitely know that withcertain things I'm like there
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are certain people who are likeI would hire you in a heartbeat
to do whatever I needed to do,and there are others where I'm
like I would have somereservations about certain
things or I would know that Iwould need certain things in
place and I mean I've alsoignored certain things.
So, like I've had roommates whenI knew some of this stuff where
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I was like, oh, it's fine, itwasn't fine, it was in their
numeroscope and I was like, oh,and that's the thing that, like,
people are multifaceted and ofcourse they're more than their
numbers, but sometimes you canlook at someone's birthday and
their name and deduce somethings about their behavior, or
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if they're trustworthy or ifthey're good at putting other
needs ahead of their own, andyou can decide some things.
If I'm launching things, if Ihave to do a podcast, then we
are doing this on the 23rd,which is a five-day, which is
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great for connection andcommunication and open channels
and conversations.
That branches off intodifferent aspects, or like the
Internet for me works better onfive days, so I'm like picking
those if I can.
Interesting.
Rose (43:47):
Yeah.
Novalee (43:48):
Yeah, things like that.
Rose (43:49):
Things like that.
Okay, yeah, and also what youunderstand from a personal
perspective, where yourweaknesses are, or imbalances
are and you can just create moreunderstanding as a, as a
natural authority.
Novalee (44:06):
I know that people who have issues with authority will
have issues with me.
In other words, this is veryleo, but like haters are gonna
hate.
So like I'm like oh, I mean,that's a, that's a natural
thing.
If I'm in the room, peoplemight turn to me, even if
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someone else is technicallyleading, and that can be
frustrating for whoever istechnically in charge and this
is not me me being like, oh, Ican't help it, but I like this
is just human nature that likepeople will turn like who looks
like they know what they'redoing.
And sometimes, if people arelike oh, you always look like
(44:49):
you know what you're doing andI'm like no one is paying me to
look lost.
If you want to pay me to looklost, I will totally look lost
Like, but but nobody is payingme to do that right now, so I'm
going to show up as I show up.
Yeah.
Rose (45:03):
And you're an actress and Leo, it fits with that actress
too right.
Novalee (45:08):
Yeah, it fits with that too.
Yeah, but that's also likesometimes it's just like it is
what it is, you know, like wedon't have to make excuses, lean
into it.
Rose (45:20):
Yeah, you know, like we don't have to make excuses, lean
into it.
Yeah, I love that.
Um, you offer free resources onyour site.
I know you have uh calculators,right, so name calculators or
so that people can find that.
What other things that do youoffer that um you can help
people with if you want to sharethat so I offer a bunch of free
resources.
Novalee (45:37):
So, like we have this wonderful interview right now, I
have a bunch of otherinterviews also on YouTube with
different like wonderful peoplewho've been kind enough to
invite me on their podcast, andI've done a bunch of articles
and I have a blog.
I feel like sometimes peopleare like a blog that's so old
and I'm like you know, back inthe day not so long ago.
Like you, you know, I have aseries on name changes and what,
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what you can expect if you gothrough them, even if you don't
go through them with anumerologist and like house
numbers.
We haven't talked about that somuch, but like what each house
number means and depending onwhat base number you have, like
that house number might feeldifferent.
I have the calculator so youcan pop any name into the
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calculator and then you can findlike a really short
description, really shortdescription of it.
You can find a longerdescription of each name,
vibration and a little bit ofnumerology.
But I use that calculator toobecause you should double check
your math.
If you're a numerologist, youshould double check your math,
and then I haveologist, youshould double check your math.
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And then I have, of course,paid sessions, so I have short
recordings.
If you just want to like dip inyour toes, I have full one
hour, two hour sessions readingyour numeroscope, reading your
yearly cycles, which are kind oflike your transits in
astrology, like we can look atyou through time.
And then I offer name changesfor both grownups and babies.
I love, I feel very, veryprivileged every time someone
(47:04):
reaches out and is like I'mpregnant and I want a
harmonious, supportive name formy child.
I'm like, oh my God, thank you,oh, I have been chosen, so I
help with naming babies too.
Or, like we talked about, likeyou can use some of my sessions
too if you want to look at likenaming your book or your
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product, or like launching itand different options for it.
Numerology is not here to likebrand you wrong or lost or like,
yeah, just like defect,defective.
But there are definitely namevibrations that can help us,
like a filter that not just makeus look better but feel better.
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And there are filters, namevibrations, that can make us
focus on specific things aboutourselves or about other people
that are not so helpful, right.
So like they kind of call incertain experiences and for some
base numbers.
Some name vibrations are morechallenging, like you're a nine
and you can carry a lot of nineenergy just because you are
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nine, um, where certain otherlike certain name vibrations,
like twos, which would be lovelyfor two, would be a little like
oh, I'm very sensitive aboutcertain things, other people's
opinions, whoa, I really careand I would say well, when
you're a leadership number, sureyou should take into account
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what other people need, but youcannot spend your time inside of
them feeling what they feelwithout getting a little off
track of that leadership course.
So, like, sometimes alsounderstanding, like it's not
just changing names, it's alsounderstanding like we can't lose
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the knowledge and wisdom andexperience we have gotten from
carrying whatever names we'vecarried.
But sometimes we can integrateit a little bit better once
we're out of it, like we allknow.
Like getting out of a situationmeans that you can sometimes
appreciate it and go like, okay,what did I learn?
It was horrible, but what did Ilearn?
Rose (49:11):
Yeah, there's lessons in everything.
Novalee (49:15):
Yeah, always.
Rose (49:16):
Well, I wish I had talked to you before I named my
podcast.
Although I love the name of thepodcast, it's like you know, I
always struggle.
I struggle with naming thingsand stuff, but we'll see.
Well, it works for now.
Novalee (49:30):
Who knows?
Well, also, I mean your energyis the most important, important
and like I mean, rose is a 17,8 uh name, vibration, which is
attention, fame, spotlight, likesomething is being pulled.
So you know you are pulling,like it has a name and it has
impact, but you are the onewielding the tool.
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So, like your energy is alsopulling, pulling the energy
well, that's good to know.
Rose (49:54):
That makes me feel feel better.
Thank you.
Novalee (49:56):
Well, that's also like sometimes people are like, oh,
am I just doomed?
I'm like easy, easy, no, no,no, like it's all working.
Rose (50:03):
So this has been a wonderful conversation.
I thank you so much for beinghere today.
It's been such a pleasure.
I loved listening to you talkabout numerology and I encourage
everyone to look for Nova Lee,buy her books.
They're really great books.
I'll have them in the shownotes, I'll have them on my
website and, yes, thank you somuch.
Novalee (50:26):
Thank you for having me.
Rose (50:28):
Thank you for sharing this sacred time with me today.
If today's episode resonatedwith you, I'd be so grateful if
you'd share it with a friend whomight need these gentle
reminders.
And, speaking of support, yourreviews help other women find
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listen to podcasts.
Ready to go deeper, visitrosewhipagecom to explore my
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workshops.
Until next time, remember youare exactly where you need to
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The ancient science of numerology suggests your
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Today, professionalnumerologist Novalee Wilder
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Novali Wilder is a Danishactress and artist, turned
(01:07):
professional numerologist andpublished author living in Los
Angeles.
She's the author of A LittleBit of Numerology and A Little
Bit of Angel Numbers and thehost of the Numerology podcast
and founder of the NumerologySchool.
Welcome Novalee.
I'm so happy you're here.
I'm so excited.
Novalee (01:28):
Thank you.
I'm so happy and so honored tobe here and excited to talk.
Rose (01:32):
Well, I've never had anyone on the show yet that is a
numerologist and to talk aboutnumerology, and I'm fascinated
by the topic and I'm sure mylisteners will be as well.
So what I would like for you totalk about first is what your
story like.
Tell us about Novalee, whatdrew you to exploring
numerology, but also helpingothers, and just what brought
(01:56):
you here.
Novalee (01:59):
So well.
First of all, I didn't startout as Novalee.
I guess that is helpful toknow, since we're talking
numerology and everyone has astory with their name and about
their name.
I love hearing stories aboutwhy are people named, what they
are named or who they're namedafter, and there's just as many
(02:19):
good stories where people areexcited and identify with their
name and feel like, oh, this ispart of my identity and maybe
I'm proud there can be somelineage or stuff like that.
And there's just as many peoplewho are like I don't like my
name.
I always have to spell it Likemaybe I was made fun of, maybe
I'm named after someone that myfamily doesn't like anymore.
(02:42):
There was a falling out.
So I have a weird story aboutmy name too, where, like my mom
had picked a name, then on theway to the church or when I was
going to get, like, baptized,she came up with a different
name.
And then the priest who waslike writing my name and like he
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switched the names.
So like he was supposed towrite like one sequence of names
and he just switched them upand then I didn't know I had
multiple names.
I thought I just had one firstname, like Christine was my
given name, with a C-H.
Rose (03:22):
I was going to ask if it was with a K, because you're
Danish.
I didn't know.
Okay.
Novalee (03:26):
No, it would have been better with a C-H.
I was going to ask if it waswith a K because you're famous.
I didn't know.
Okay, no, it would have beenbetter with a K.
But then when I was eight yearsold, I saw my like birth
certificate or something for thefirst time and I realized that
my first name was actually notChristine, it was Ava.
And as any good eight-year-oldchild goes, like, I don't want
my old name, I want this newname.
(03:46):
Um, so from that on, like therewas kind of a split where
everyone knew I met and, likepeople in my school, my friends
would all call me Ava, my familywould call me Christine and
that can it's, it's funky inyour mind over time because
there is identity in names shortnames, long names.
(04:06):
And you know, as Ava grew up,christine kind of stayed a child
or stayed in like that familyconstellation.
And I think at some point in my20s I actually told my family,
hey, can we all just call meAva, like that would be nice.
I don't feel like I don'tconnect with Christine and they
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were a little grumbly about it.
But, ok, ok, yeah, I guess.
And then in my late 20s I wentto New York to study acting and
I went through a bunch of likepersonal shifts and I really
recommend everyone at any pointin life that it's really helpful
sometimes to leave everythingyou know behind and get to be
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whoever you want to be.
And as I was like being whoeverI wanted to be, I was
introduced to numerology and theconcept of name change and I
had a really good friend gothrough a name change and a
bunch of things like justshifted in her life in a way
where I was like wow, this islike magic, like this is more
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than I've ever seen for youbefore.
And so I ended up having asession with a numerologist and
it was really something I hope Inever do to my clients.
I hope I don't scare them.
It it was like scarily accurateand she was very like the
gloves were off.
She was very like I don't wantto call it like brutal, but she
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was very honest about the impactthat was of my name and it was
very like accurate.
And so she was likeunfortunately, we can't just
change one or two names here orchange the spelling or whatever
like if you want to changethings, you have to change your
entire name, and I was likeshit, that's big.
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But I was also at a point in mylife in general I'm like a go
big or go home kind of person.
I'm like I mean, if you don'treally leap, you don't really
leap, you don't really know.
Certain things we can change alittle habit, we can get to it
over time.
Other things you do have tojump in with both feet.
So I decided to change my name,my entire name, all of my names
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first, middle, last names and Idid so.
And the beautiful thing aboutthe time I can't do that now
because I live in the US likefull-time, but in the wonderful
Danish system it's all likedigital and you like log in
money and like like ripplesthrough all the institutions and
banks and your doctor andeverything just gets updated.
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So you literally have thatfeeling of becoming someone new
on paper immediately and thatname change.
I mean from a numerologistperspective.
I understand why it changed somany things Like now I
understand the energy and I'vestudied it and I know about
numbers and names and identityand the filters and name
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vibrations can be on who we areand what we're meant to do.
I also know some more aboutlike trauma and nervous system
work.
I understand something aboutlike the personas we sometimes
present to other people and howthey are tied to things like
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names, but like so many thingschanged, you know, like on a
physical level, like aches andpains and certain things, I lost
weight like that was a bigthing Very shortly after I met
the man that I'm now married toand like before then I had
really kind of sworn off loveand I was like I'm not good with
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it, it's never going to happen,it's fine.
And like I was never married,like interested in like getting
married or anything like this.
And like after I kissed him thefirst time I was like damn it,
I will have to marry this guy.
So like a great love story wasalso born from this.
And like there are many layersand like not all name changes do
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the same thing, because we'renot all supposed to do the same
thing.
Um, but like luck wasintroduced on a whole new level,
like I mean we won the greencard lottery, which was
wonderful, so we could stay inthe us together.
I mean later down thenumerology path, like an editor
reaching out to me and beinglike hey, do you want to write a
book about numerology.
That's not usually how it goeswhen people write books, right?
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it's true, yeah, and I have likea long list of like luck,
things like that also.
Rose (08:37):
Um, but yeah, like I mean almost yeah it's like you change
your name and all these thingsstarted to come and and I'm sure
some of these things wereprobably subconsciously
manifesting, and then you changeyour name.
And then how did you determineto to to choose this name?
Is it, was it through becauseyou could have picked other
names that maybe created thesame numerical vibration?
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Yeah, yeah, so because it's apretty name, thank you.
Novalee (09:07):
Uh, so, like my numerologist gave me name lists
and that's what I do too Like Ipicked the name vibration, but
there will be hundreds, if notthousands, if more than 10,000
names with like that vibration.
So, like, um, like, one of mymiddle names are Marlo, but it
has the same vibration as Karen,so I could also have had Karen
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as a middle name and like mejust saying Karen, like we
already get, like there'ssomething about names and when
you look at them and likethere's something very
empowering about the process ofpicking out your own name and
pulling on like maybe there'ssome archetypes or like it's
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also truly okay I had thisconversation with myself it's
truly okay to just go for themost beautiful thing you can put
together.
There's also sometimes, youknow, like, I have clients
across the world and there'salso sometimes, you know, like I
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have clients across the world.
Sometimes it's like people goand they are allowed to go
fully.
For, you know, like the youknow country you're in, there
might be limits to what kind oflast names or like combinations
of names you can do.
Yeah, so I like I just looked atthe names and I knew, like I
mean, I was called Ava.
So like I knew I likedsomething with A in it.
So like Nova, nova Lee was justkind of perfect for me.
And like some people call meNova and some people call me
Nova Lee was just kind ofperfect for me.
And like some people call meNova and some people call me
Nova Lee and funnily enough,I've had like a million versions
of Christine and Ava where Ihated what people turned it into
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and with Nova and Nova Lee,like I don't mind at all and I
also don't mind having to spellit and I don't mind even when
people mispronounce it having tospell it, and I don't mind even
when people mispronounce it.
So sometimes, like some ofthose, when when people are,
when something great with a nameand like it feels like it's not
quite fitting, sometimes I saymaybe there is something you
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should know about that vibrationand how it impacts you, and
maybe there is even.
Um, yeah, I can't share thedetails of that, but like in
America, people love to shortennames, like they really do Names
or short names or letters onlyright?
Rose (11:31):
You know like.
Novalee (11:31):
Jennifer will always be Jen or Jenny or something like
that.
Like, benjamin will be Ben, andsometimes these, like, cuter,
shorter versions don't actuallyfit Like the energy of the
shorter version.
What's the shooter?
The short and cute version ofthe don't actually fit Like the
energy of the shoot of theshorter version.
Was the shooter?
The short and cute version ofthe names doesn't fit, and so
sometimes, like when I havesessions, it's also just to give
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people permission to be like.
You know what I like Benjamin.
Call me Benjamin instead ofBen.
Like, like, like you cansometimes take back the longer
name because it actually fitsyou better.
Rose (12:06):
yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
So so it's part of what you dois you help people if they need
to change their name.
Help them find the theappropriate name.
But let's, let's talk a littlebit, and you do that also with
businesses.
It's not just name for names,but do it for businesses for
anything else that they need anappropriate name for, to help
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them find that vibration withinthat.
Novalee (12:30):
Yeah, I mean babies, children, people, pets I have
helped name pets, houses.
At times I've named somehouses.
Yeah, like books and recordsand programs and products.
Like the strongest energy willalways be your own, which is
also why your personal name isgoing to have the biggest
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impact.
But if you want to get nittygritty, of course it also
impacts, like a book, what thetitle is, or like a record with
the name of that.
Like, yeah, sometimes you canpick like the name of one of the
songs and use that as like therecord title, but other times
there are other likeimplications and like when, like
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we pick the date that somethinggoes live, and stuff like that
too.
Rose (13:14):
Yeah, I know that there is a base number you talk about in
because there's different typesof numerology and we'll talk
about the type that obviouslyyou use.
So the importance of a basenumber right, there's an
importance and benefits behind aperson's base number.
So talk, can you talk aboutthat from like the foundational
stuff?
Novalee (13:32):
Yeah, when we look at a birthday, depending on what
kind of numerologist we are, wewill like zoom in on different
numbers.
So I'm a Chaldean numerologistand I'm going to zoom in on the
day you were born, just the day,not the month, not the year,
just the day, and I'm going tofind the digit sum of that day.
So if you're born on the 1st,you're a 1.
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Lovely simple.
If you're born on the 10th,you're also a 1, because 1 plus
0 is 1.
If you're born on the 28th,like me, you're also a one,
because two plus eight is 10 andone plus zero is one.
And that's how we look at thedate.
So if you have a double digitday, you find the digit sum and
you know the base number of thisperson.
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Of course it matters what thesun sign is, and sometimes we
get those like wonderful dateswhere it's like 777 or something
like that.
Like, sometimes we have to lookat the repeating numbers in a
birthday too, but we alwaysreduce double digits to a digit
sum, which means that also, whenwe look at a year, like I'm
born in 1986, 1 plus 9 plus 8plus 6, you're going to get 24.
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And then 2 plus 4 is 6.
So my second base number, myfirst base number is one from
being born on the 28th.
Rose (14:48):
My second base number, or my yearly base number, is from
the year I was born in oh, it'sfrom the year, so you have a
second, a first base number andthen a second base number.
Novalee (14:58):
Yes, and these two base numbers.
If people are familiar withastrology, you can think about
it kind of like as like your sunand rising, you know, like your
big and like a year, we wouldtreat your sun sign as part of
your big three, like that.
But I would, I would rank themfirst base number, second base
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number and then sun sign if Iwas looking at it like that.
And these numbers are dancingin your life, they are like,
they are creating a rhythm,they're creating an impact, they
are an imprint on yourpersonality.
Or you could also say, likethey are the doors you have
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decided to walk through as asoul in this lifetime and be
colored by and imprinted by andaffected by.
The most important one is yourfirst base number.
So the day you were born, whichis like a side note.
When, like Americans write umthe month first, I always find
that like interesting somehow,like why, why would you start
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with the month?
Because the day is the mostimportant?
Um?
So the day is like where wehave the life goals and life
lessons and we have thechallenges and gifts and each
base number is kind of needed.
I see, I see this sometimeswhere people find their base
number and they getdisappointed.
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They're like, oh, but I don'twant to be a two.
Or like it sounds like sevensare weak.
Or it sounds like if I'm eight,I'm an eight, I'm just doomed,
because it's like karmic and I'mmore seeing it like if you look
like a palette of colors, youcouldn't just remove the red
because like, oh, red is a lotLike some of us are here to be a
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lot.
You also couldn't just be like,oh, red is a lot Like some of
us are here to be a lot.
You also couldn't just be like,well, white is boring, like
it's not really even a color,and I'm like sometimes we need
something that is not everythingelse.
Sometimes we need somethingthat is in between, something
that can connect other colors orwater them down just a little
bit.
These are some of the images Iuse in my sessions as well.
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So looking at your base numberis going to tell us something
about who you want to be as asoul in this lifetime.
Looking at your second basenumber is going to tell us
something about your innerexperience and also where you
run to if you kind of getthwarted in your first base
number.
So if any of us are woundedsufficiently, we will retreat
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into our second base number andlive from that a little bit more
and we might feel a little bitsafer and a little less like.
It's interesting, like we willfeel less threatening to others
and that will make us feel alittle bit safer.
But it's not really like wewill feel less threatening to
others and that will make usfeel a little bit safer.
But it's not really where thegold is, it's not really where
the growth is.
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It's more supposed to be like asupporting character in this
little dance between thenumbers.
So, and often when I talk topeople I can tell they feel more
seen in their second basenumber, and then I know we have
to have that conversation aboutlike there might be some trauma
around their first base number,for example.
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I don't know.
Um, most people don't reallyget offended or hurt by words
that don't hit home.
If I said to you, rose, oh,you're so wishy-washy you'll
never make a decision, you'd bea little like, uh well, that's
not really true, so I don't.
I mean you must not be talkingabout me.
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But if I said well, rose,sometimes you come off a little
strong, I might use words, wordslike bossy.
Or someone might have said,like micromanaging or like you
know, like controlling,controlling they might have used
some of those words and youwould go well, I mean, I mean, I
don't like hearing it, butmaybe on some level I understand
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that like it's who I can be orit's what I can be judged for.
So some of those, like I seeevery number as a spectrum.
So like in the low end of likethe nine spectrum for you
because you're a nine, we shouldadd that because you're born on
27th and it's the same for meas a one, because we have
leadership qualities in thesetwo numbers, because we have
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leadership qualities in thesetwo numbers, like you're going
to find that micromanagingslightly manipulating, because,
like we have to do it this way.
Like I know it's the best way,I will make you do it, you know,
like it's better for you,right?
Yeah, like you know, we'regoing to talk about the low end
of the leadership spectrum wherewe no one likes to be and we've
all had a boss or someone inour life who's tried to do that
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and sometimes it also helps assomeone, like when you
understand your own spectrum,you can go wow, I'm trying to,
I'm really trying to like comeup with ways to get this person
to do something that they reallydon't seem to want to do.
Or like I'm feeling a littlepowerless in certain areas of my
life, so I'm trying to exertpower in some other areas, to
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kind of like gain back someterritory.
Or like, yes, self-sufficiency,like who?
Okay, maybe there's a differentway, maybe there's a different
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way.
I can also like I use this Allof the leadership numbers can
kind of be reduced to critics,like the in this one or your
link didn't work, and like westart like telling other, like
we're, like you're not doing itright, like you're supposed to
be this leading thing,authority, whatever, you're not
doing it right, and that cancome some like, if you squeeze a
leader enough, sometimes thecritic will come out.
Or like the, what I call theproofreader, and some people
spend their entire lives in thelower end of the spectrum.
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This is not to like talk downon people, but sometimes we also
need an invitation to becomebigger and to like realize we
have more influence and that wedon't have to manipulate our way
to doing it.
This got very dark, but it wasjust too like.
Rose (21:21):
No, it makes a lot of sense and, being aware of how
you are as a person, and thenunderstanding your numerology,
you can make changes.
So you're not always stuck inthat nine.
And I have to tell you, mysecond base is a one, so I've
got to look.
Novalee (21:34):
No, there is no way to run.
Rose (21:37):
Yeah, sorry, I'm hearing you.
I'm like, oh my gosh, what iswrong with me?
Well, it's wonderful.
I mean it's wonderful.
Novalee (21:43):
I think it's also really interesting.
I love having sessions withpeople who have especially
women, who have a lot of theseleadership numbers.
Much work you do, you.
There is also that like genderissue where it's just like you
have to figure out whatleadership looks like to you and
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you have to make it almost likea female word, because to a lot
of people when I say leader,they go I can't be that kind of
like when I say you know that?
Um, that game or whatever it islike.
Imagine a doctor.
And then like they put up ascenario and then they say do
you realize that in your headthe doctor was always male and
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the nurse was always female,even though in the real scenario
the doctor was female and thenurse was male of being in
leadership or being an authorityor having impact or having
power or having to have peoplefollow your lead.
It's like, yeah, there'ssomething like shame and guilt
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tied to it for women.
There is something that kind ofgets like galvanized when we
have two leadership numbers, orif people have the same number
is as their and second basenumber, right, okay, so if I
have a session with someonewho's a double two and two is
connected to the moon and cancerand dreaming fun.
They have life lessons abouthaving fun.
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It's literally on the menu.
And when I talk about beingsensitive and creative to them,
sometimes they're like I don'tsee any of that as like a
weakness and I'm like no, Iknow, but to a lot of people who
had like a stronger first basenumber and a gentler or weaker,
whatever you want to call itsecond base number, they would
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have a strong feeling of one ofthem being more powerful and one
of them being more like soft,what could also say like um,
expansive and kind of likeimploding a little bit, you
know, like moving inwards.
So, like you, when you have nineand one, there is like you run
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into another leader.
When you get challenged and itmight also be, I would say, like
even a simpler leader that kindof drills things down to the
essence, because nine might be alittle also tied into some of
the spiritual aspects or some oflike the higher visions for
what leadership should be, andthen, if you get pushed into the
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one, it's like well, what needsto be done?
Yeah, like, what do we need?
Okay, you don't want to hearabout the vision.
Rose (24:24):
Like, okay, fine, yeah, that's, that's how I am, yeah,
so so your book I know you havea.
Your book is a little bit ofnumerology and we were talking
about this, and what I loveabout this is it really is
compact, it's filled withinformation, so someone can look
up their base number and comein here and learn about
themselves really and you getinto some detail about their
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base number, which is nice, andit's not in a very complicated
form, it's simplistic.
Novalee (24:53):
So it's a good start.
I try to make it very simple.
Rose (24:56):
Yeah, it's a really great start.
So calculating your basenumber, finding that and then
determining your second base,and then you have it in this
book.
And then you also were talkingabout the month.
Is the sun sign, right?
Yeah, and you say that numberone is Leo.
How do you do?
How does that work?
Because I'm thinking, okay,well, typically within astrology
is Aries is the number onesign, so how is Leo?
Novalee (25:19):
one.
Yeah, so some of the numbers,because there are more sun signs
than numbers, so some of themare going to share.
This also leads back tonumerology is an old spiritual
science so, like Chaldean,numerology is at least 3,000
years old, probably more.
Rose (25:38):
Yeah, they're both old, right.
Yeah, that's great.
Least at least 3 000 years old,um, probably more.
Novalee (25:41):
But we just kind of like, yeah, um, great.
And so there's like an overlapwith um indian numerology and at
that point in time they wereusing and looking at um sun
signs and like the, the planets,as like there would be a good
version and a bad version.
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I think in astrology it's likea malefic or something like that
oh yeah so like, for example,one and four shared the sun um
as a planet, where one was thegood and four was the bad.
Rose (26:16):
I see.
Novalee (26:17):
Okay.
And then later, when they gotlike, when they realized, oh,
there are more planets, theywere like, oh, let's change it,
so.
So some like one is Leo and twois cancer, and like we could
like, sometimes I also thinkabout them, like you can find
them all in the book.
You could also think about themas, like the elements, they
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also all tie into an element andso all of the um like all the
signs are like Leo's fire,cancer's water.
Is that your friend?
yeah, right and I would also saythat, like you will probably
find, for most people I dosessions with, there is often
some form of overlap in liketheir big three and their base
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numbers.
So for example, for me I'm aone and I'm also a leo, so
that's like double up on that.
And then I'm like my secondbase number is six and my rising
sign is cancer, and two and sixkind of share that water
element, so like from anumerology, astrology
perspective, like my two chartssay the same thing.
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Oh wow, that's interesting yeah,and like that, I have yet to
meet someone.
I'm not saying they don'texist, of course they do where
there isn't some kind ofoverlap, which is also one of
the things I like about like allof these old systems, is that
like we're looking at the sameterrain but with different maps
yeah so they should agree onsome things.
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And I've had, like because I'mso curious, you know, I've had
sessions with othernumerologists or other
numerology systems I think Idon't remember what this is
called, oh, soul code orsomething like that where it was
very clear that the core sourceof their understanding of
numbers were the same.
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They were just using itslightly differently.
So like if you looked at mynumerology chart, you're going
to see a lot of one energy,because also of the leo and
everything.
I'm like cool.
And they were like we don't, wedon't see one, we see nine, but
we connect nine to Leo.
And I was like okay, so you, weagree, you just you're using a
different number, but you'rebasically seeing the same
energy.
Rose (28:29):
So like I mean, I find that with this is my test for
whenever I meet a new system.
Is it like?
Can I see the same terrainunderneath that Numerology also
can?
You can also identify thedynamics in your own households
right by knowing the basenumbers of the people you're
married to, your children, yoursiblings, people you work with.
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So having if you get to knowtheir birthdays right, you can
say, okay, well, they're aneight and this is the way they
operate, so I can approach themin this way.
Does that work as well?
Novalee (29:01):
Yeah, and I love doing that because I know that, like,
if you understand the spectrumof a base number, you can invite
them higher.
And I feel like that's the.
I mean, we all want to inviteit higher in our own spectrum,
we all want to be seen.
It's not to be seen for like afake potential, but it's just
like one step up the ladder.
So it's like how do we phrase aquestion, how do we frame a
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request?
If we need someone to dosomething?
Like, if I have to ask aleadership number to do
something, I would do thatdifferently than one of our
connectors or one of ournurturers.
Because I also know that ifyou're dealing with authority,
you have to respect thatauthority Right.
Sometimes people have foundthemselves in places where I'm
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like you have absolutely noauthority here, but you're
acting like you have some.
So maybe you're a leadershipmember who has found themselves
on the wrong shelf and if Iacknowledge the authority I see
in you, I'm going to get betterservice from you, or I'm going
to get, like, a betterinteraction because you're going
to feel more seen.
And this is not manipulation,this is just speaking to what is
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underneath what it might appearto be.
Sometimes you know, like whenpeople have a job, that we think
you could do more than this,and I'm gonna just talk to the
part of you that could do moreand also like you're not
manipulating them, like you saidyou're not, you're just um,
you're just creating a betterenvironment to collaborate.
Rose (30:35):
so so, just as an exercise, just uh, if I can go
through this, because we've beentalking so much and I know
people out there are like, oh mygosh, this numerology stuff but
if we can just go through eachnumber, just to nine, and just
give me one, can you give me oneword that identifies each one?
Novalee (30:49):
Oh God, is that possible?
I can try.
Rose (30:53):
Okay, okay, so a one.
Novalee (31:05):
Two words.
It has to be two words um.
Cheer leader, okay,cheerleader, yeah, two um I
think I would say like sensitiveheart okay, yeah, you said
sensitive before for two, yeah,three Ambition Four Rebel Five.
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I mean I would say friend.
I think that's that they mightnot feel so, seen by that Like
connector.
Rose (31:36):
Okay.
Novalee (31:40):
Six, the lover or the artist, I would say Seven oh,
we're going to get fancy.
It's like saying, like thechannel from heaven.
Rose (31:53):
Oh, I like that.
The seven, okay, eight.
Novalee (31:56):
I would like to say it's not black and white.
Okay, because they think thingsare black and white.
Rose (32:03):
Ah, okay.
Novalee (32:04):
At times.
Rose (32:04):
Okay, and the nine?
Novalee (32:07):
I mean because it's the end of the line.
So there's some like I mean wecould say that the final
challenge or the final gift.
Yeah, it's nice.
I don't know if these were sohelpful, but it's a good start.
Rose (32:27):
I just wanted to make people curious.
I know they're probablycalculating in their heads now
Okay, what's my base number?
What does it mean?
But everyone should buyNovelu's book anyway.
So that gives you a goodstarting point to learn
numerology.
But I'd like to transition alittle bit into also angel
numbers.
I know people talk about angelnumbers and you have a book
about that as well.
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Can you talk about angelnumbers then?
And how you came about writingthe book and just a little bit
of energy around.
Novalee (32:56):
Yeah.
So I first have to say that alittle bit of Angel Numbers is a
slightly different Angel Numberbook, simply because it's based
on the Chaldean system, whichmeans that if you read a little
bit of numerology or you readsome Chaldean numerology books
and then you read a little bitof Angel Numbers, you're going
to go.
I see what she did there,because I see that a lot of
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other angel numbers and thereare lots of great ones are a
little more channeled, which hasits own merit.
But I felt like part of my workof doing those little bit of
books is also like how can youbecome your own expert a little
bit and how can you understandthe system to a level where you
can apply the system even thoughyou can't read a little bit of
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numerology?
And I would say, call yourselfa professional numerologist.
You need a little bit more thanthat.
But I want you to be able toapply it really fast and that
usually means here's the system.
So I wrote a little bit of angelnumbers because I was buried in
requests.
I'm not complaining, I'm notcomplaining, but I'm just like
people were like what does thismean?
(34:01):
What does that mean?
Do you want to do an articleseries.
Do you want to do a 10-partarticle series?
Do you want a second 10-partarticle series about angel
numbers?
And I was like wow, and thiswas like in 2022, 2023, and
there was like a real resurgencein like the mainstream of angel
numbers and people were writingarticles about seeing 11, 11
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and what does it mean?
And like, yeah, a whole thingabout like uh, I think angels in
general too.
Rose (34:28):
There's a lot of um yeah discussion and uh curiosity
about the angels yeah butthere's also a general like.
Novalee (34:37):
Spirituality is always going mainstream, I guess.
But, like you know, people weregetting angel number tattoos.
They're probably still gettingangel number tattoos and I was
like this is definitely likereaching a level where, you
know, I have something to sayabout it.
So with that one, I reached outto my editor and was like, hey,
angel numbers, would that belike a good next book to write?
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And she was like, yes, let's doit.
So that's why I wrote it and Ialso wrote it like you can find
the first a thousand angelnumbers and you can find your
repeating numbers.
But I also really wanted towrite a little bit about, like,
how to go deeper with this.
Like, from a more spiritualperspective, I find angel
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numbers to be like a gatewaydrug.
It's often angel like.
Seeing numbers is oftensomething people do when they're
in some kind of transition orwhen they have that first Like
touch point with somethingtalking back to them and not
just them, maybe having a littlemeditation practice or maybe
doing a little prayer here andthere, but like have this
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feeling of like, oh, I think, Ithink I'm getting messages, I
think something is trying totalk to me or I keep seeing this
thing over and over again, orit could be a lucky number.
You could see it on licenseplates.
It could be like your birthdayor someone significant's
birthday.
There could be a lot of likeimplications and people usually
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feel very like oh, something ishappening, this is exciting, and
then at some point they go.
I don't know what to do with it.
And that's why you should pickup a little bit of angel
numbers.
That's what you should do andthen you should not just
understand the system, but alsounderstand a little bit about,
like, how, how the angelsoperate and how like subtle some
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of this information and andmessaging is.
And like subtlety is a lost artin general.
And, um, I do think that, whilesocial media is doing much
good, I also think it's dullingour senses, um, to a certain
degree and I mean I also studyneuroscience, so they're like
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certain certain things in ourbody that are just not used to
the amount of information andimpact and images.
Um, we kind of like fill our cupwith some of those things and
it's too much, though, yeahyeah, and there's less space for
god or the angels or justyourself, because I feel like
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some of this is also likecreating space for an
understanding.
Rose (37:16):
Like things like angel numbers is like creating space
for an understanding like thingslike angel numbers is like
creating space for theconversation you are basically
always having with your higherself in some way and when,
those, when we see these numbersand their repeated patterns,
patterns sometimes it's nicejust to pause and maybe even
think about like what you werethinking or what you were doing,
or or even write it down andsay this is what I saw, and see
(37:38):
if there's like a pattern, andtry to interpret that pattern.
But it is definitely aconnection to angels.
You know, there's that energythat they're saying hey, this is
some kind of message, like yousaid.
Novalee (37:51):
Yeah, and also I mean there are general messages.
That's why I wrote the book.
You can find your generalmessage and you can find your
personal angel number.
Over time, I also feel like youkeep asking this question how
would you answer it?
You know, like sometimes peopleare like, oh, I keep seeing
this, what does it mean?
And sometimes I say what do youthink it means?
(38:12):
Right, what did you think itmeant when you saw it Thursday?
Or like you can make a, I'veseen it all these times.
Okay, do any of these timeshave something?
like sometimes I'm like I don'tknow.
Yeah, but be like a spiritualexploration is also becoming
your own teacher a little bit.
Rose (38:32):
Yeah, so I mean I connect with angels, so I have
conversations with them, right?
So?
And I may have repeated thesame conversations with them,
asking them for, can you justgive me some guidance or help?
And you know, they'll show me,and it could be in numbers, and
it could be in a repeatedpattern in numbers, and then
I'll be like, okay, what doesthat mean, or whatever.
(38:52):
So, having that conversationand not just waiting for these
answers and thinking they'rerandom.
They may not be random, you mayalready be having these
conversations in your head withthese angels and not realizing
it, but have them, have theconversations with them and have
them show you what thesenumbers are, or signs or
whatever.
Just like you said, you couldsee a license plate or a house
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number or somebody's birthdayshow up.
When you're thinking aboutthem.
I know, like for me, mybirthday.
Every time I look at my watch,my birthday will pop up and I
always think, well, that's mymom telling me.
She's around, that's, you know,because she's passed.
So, that's you know 127.
Every time I see it I'm like,oh, that's her and it was
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something I associate with her.
So now I feel that's comfortingevery time I see that.
Novalee (39:39):
Yeah, and that's also I mean.
Sometimes people are lookingfor really big answers and
sometimes the answer is justcomfort, right, Like.
Sometimes the answer is justlike you're good, you're good,
you're doing the right thing,yeah, you're all right and I'm
here.
I mean, which is also, like,mostly why people turn to
spiritual things like am Ialone?
(40:00):
No, yeah, are you sure?
Yes, are you really sure?
Yeah, we're like okay.
Rose (40:09):
Yeah, I love that.
Are there ways we can integratenumerology into our lives that
we haven't talked about?
Novalee (40:17):
I mean understanding people and what they're here to
do.
That's really helpful.
Also, sometimes understandingif you go deeper into it, like
certain name vibrations.
I liken them to like filters.
We all understand filters.
In this day and age ofInstagram, we understand that
sometimes you put a filter onthings and it looks very
different than when you didn'thave the filter on.
(40:38):
And that's the thing with namevibrations understanding.
Um, you can understand yourfamily better, like when I
changed my last name and nolonger carried my dad's last
name.
I actually understood himbetter by not carrying the same
filter as him.
I'm sure he has maybe issueswith it, who knows?
Like what are we going to do?
But like, I understood my dadso much better.
(40:59):
And I also look at my sisters,knowing their base numbers and
their name vibrations and thepeople they married, which means
like the energy they invited inand the energy they then had
like children with and like howthose children interact and how
there is all like some energiesplaying out and there are ways
like some energies playing outand there are ways we can
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understand each other and thereare ways we can understand each
other, so we don't have to try.
Like there's also sometimeslike, not a giving up, but just
an acceptance of like.
Oh, this is who you are and Imight talk a certain way and
explain myself a certain way,but through your filter, these
words will always be turned intosomething slightly different.
(41:41):
Like, some people aremarinators, what I call it
where, like, you put somethinginto them, like you talk to them
about something whatever, andthey go in the marinade and what
comes out of the marinade issometimes something where you're
like I don't really thinkthat's what I said or how I
meant it, but that's how you'retaking it, and I have to
sometimes know that that whatcomes out of the marinade of
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some people is like they're allbrand of brilliant and crazy and
that's what they're here to do.
So, understanding people,interacting with them I mean, I
use it to vet people Like that'snot like a.
I never want to be one of thosepersons like I can't work with
a Scorpio or something likethat.
But I definitely know that withcertain things I'm like there
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are certain people who are likeI would hire you in a heartbeat
to do whatever I needed to do,and there are others where I'm
like I would have somereservations about certain
things or I would know that Iwould need certain things in
place and I mean I've alsoignored certain things.
So, like I've had roommates whenI knew some of this stuff where
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I was like, oh, it's fine, itwasn't fine, it was in their
numeroscope and I was like, oh,and that's the thing that, like,
people are multifaceted and ofcourse they're more than their
numbers, but sometimes you canlook at someone's birthday and
their name and deduce somethings about their behavior, or
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if they're trustworthy or ifthey're good at putting other
needs ahead of their own, andyou can decide some things.
If I'm launching things, if Ihave to do a podcast, then we
are doing this on the 23rd,which is a five-day, which is
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great for connection andcommunication and open channels
and conversations.
That branches off intodifferent aspects, or like the
Internet for me works better onfive days, so I'm like picking
those if I can.
Interesting.
Rose (43:47):
Yeah.
Novalee (43:48):
Yeah, things like that.
Rose (43:49):
Things like that.
Okay, yeah, and also what youunderstand from a personal
perspective, where yourweaknesses are, or imbalances
are and you can just create moreunderstanding as a, as a
natural authority.
Novalee (44:06):
I know that people who have issues with authority will
have issues with me.
In other words, this is veryleo, but like haters are gonna
hate.
So like I'm like oh, I mean,that's a, that's a natural
thing.
If I'm in the room, peoplemight turn to me, even if
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someone else is technicallyleading, and that can be
frustrating for whoever istechnically in charge and this
is not me me being like, oh, Ican't help it, but I like this
is just human nature that likepeople will turn like who looks
like they know what they'redoing.
And sometimes, if people arelike oh, you always look like
(44:49):
you know what you're doing andI'm like no one is paying me to
look lost.
If you want to pay me to looklost, I will totally look lost
Like, but but nobody is payingme to do that right now, so I'm
going to show up as I show up.
Yeah.
Rose (45:03):
And you're an actress and Leo, it fits with that actress
too right.
Novalee (45:08):
Yeah, it fits with that too.
Yeah, but that's also likesometimes it's just like it is
what it is, you know, like wedon't have to make excuses, lean
into it.
Rose (45:20):
Yeah, you know, like we don't have to make excuses, lean
into it.
Yeah, I love that.
Um, you offer free resources onyour site.
I know you have uh calculators,right, so name calculators or
so that people can find that.
What other things that do youoffer that um you can help
people with if you want to sharethat so I offer a bunch of free
resources.
Novalee (45:37):
So, like we have this wonderful interview right now, I
have a bunch of otherinterviews also on YouTube with
different like wonderful peoplewho've been kind enough to
invite me on their podcast, andI've done a bunch of articles
and I have a blog.
I feel like sometimes peopleare like a blog that's so old
and I'm like you know, back inthe day not so long ago.
Like you, you know, I have aseries on name changes and what,
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what you can expect if you gothrough them, even if you don't
go through them with anumerologist and like house
numbers.
We haven't talked about that somuch, but like what each house
number means and depending onwhat base number you have, like
that house number might feeldifferent.
I have the calculator so youcan pop any name into the
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calculator and then you can findlike a really short
description, really shortdescription of it.
You can find a longerdescription of each name,
vibration and a little bit ofnumerology.
But I use that calculator toobecause you should double check
your math.
If you're a numerologist, youshould double check your math,
and then I haveologist, youshould double check your math.
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And then I have, of course,paid sessions, so I have short
recordings.
If you just want to like dip inyour toes, I have full one
hour, two hour sessions readingyour numeroscope, reading your
yearly cycles, which are kind oflike your transits in
astrology, like we can look atyou through time.
And then I offer name changesfor both grownups and babies.
I love, I feel very, veryprivileged every time someone
(47:04):
reaches out and is like I'mpregnant and I want a
harmonious, supportive name formy child.
I'm like, oh my God, thank you,oh, I have been chosen, so I
help with naming babies too.
Or, like we talked about, likeyou can use some of my sessions
too if you want to look at likenaming your book or your
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product, or like launching itand different options for it.
Numerology is not here to likebrand you wrong or lost or like,
yeah, just like defect,defective.
But there are definitely namevibrations that can help us,
like a filter that not just makeus look better but feel better.
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And there are filters, namevibrations, that can make us
focus on specific things aboutourselves or about other people
that are not so helpful, right.
So like they kind of call incertain experiences and for some
base numbers.
Some name vibrations are morechallenging, like you're a nine
and you can carry a lot of nineenergy just because you are
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nine, um, where certain otherlike certain name vibrations,
like twos, which would be lovelyfor two, would be a little like
oh, I'm very sensitive aboutcertain things, other people's
opinions, whoa, I really careand I would say well, when
you're a leadership number, sureyou should take into account
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what other people need, but youcannot spend your time inside of
them feeling what they feelwithout getting a little off
track of that leadership course.
So, like, sometimes alsounderstanding, like it's not
just changing names, it's alsounderstanding like we can't lose
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the knowledge and wisdom andexperience we have gotten from
carrying whatever names we'vecarried.
But sometimes we can integrateit a little bit better once
we're out of it, like we allknow.
Like getting out of a situationmeans that you can sometimes
appreciate it and go like, okay,what did I learn?
It was horrible, but what did Ilearn?
Rose (49:11):
Yeah, there's lessons in everything.
Novalee (49:15):
Yeah, always.
Rose (49:16):
Well, I wish I had talked to you before I named my
podcast.
Although I love the name of thepodcast, it's like you know, I
always struggle.
I struggle with naming thingsand stuff, but we'll see.
Well, it works for now.
Novalee (49:30):
Who knows?
Well, also, I mean your energyis the most important, important
and like I mean, rose is a 17,8 uh name, vibration, which is
attention, fame, spotlight, likesomething is being pulled.
So you know you are pulling,like it has a name and it has
impact, but you are the onewielding the tool.
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So, like your energy is alsopulling, pulling the energy
well, that's good to know.
Rose (49:54):
That makes me feel feel better.
Thank you.
Novalee (49:56):
Well, that's also like sometimes people are like, oh,
am I just doomed?
I'm like easy, easy, no, no,no, like it's all working.
Rose (50:03):
So this has been a wonderful conversation.
I thank you so much for beinghere today.
It's been such a pleasure.
I loved listening to you talkabout numerology and I encourage
everyone to look for Nova Lee,buy her books.
They're really great books.
I'll have them in the shownotes, I'll have them on my
website and, yes, thank you somuch.
Novalee (50:26):
Thank you for having me.
Rose (50:28):
Thank you for sharing this sacred time with me today.
If today's episode resonatedwith you, I'd be so grateful if
you'd share it with a friend whomight need these gentle
reminders.
And, speaking of support, yourreviews help other women find
our community, so please take amoment to leave one wherever you
listen to podcasts.
Ready to go deeper, visitrosewhipagecom to explore my
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personalized healing sessions,courses and workshops and
workshops.
Until next time, remember youare exactly where you need to
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