May 9, 2026 • 35 mins
Psychic medium, channel, and healer Jennifer Rose joins Johnny Burke to talk about her journey from quietly intuitive kid to full-time trance channel — plus the intense spiritual awakening and living near-death experience that reshaped how she sees reality. It's a candid look at what actually happens behind the scenes of mediumship work.
In this episode:
Why anyone can develop mediumship—but not without real training
What trance channeling feels like from the inside, and how it differs from mediumship
How a health crisis during COVID triggered a profound "no separate me" awakening
Find Jennifer Rose online at mediumjenniferrose.com, or on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube as Medium Jennifer Rose.
00:00 Meet Jennifer Rose
00:30 Discovering Mediumship
01:48 Training Spiritual Bootcamp
03:05 Channeling Nonhuman Beings
03:52 Protection And Beliefs
04:51 Demons, Curses, and Fear
06:33 Living Near Death Awakening
09:52 Attachments And Ethics
13:29 Ghosts As Inner Reflection
14:42 Earthbound Debate Open Mind
17:03 Duality Versus Oneness Lens
17:58 Different Truths For People
18:15 Mediumship Training Standards
18:37 Past Lives and Present Focus
19:59 Healing Work Explained
20:59 Trance vs Quantum Healing
22:31 Reiki and Spirit Blending
25:09 Miracles and Ancient Parallels
27:27 Core Truths of Spirit
30:09 Paradox and Infinite Mystery
32:12 Love as the Ultimate Test
32:56 Hope, Ascension, Inner Work
35:23 Finding Jennifer Online
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Johnny Burke (00:01):
Welcome to Closer to Venus.
I'm Johnny Burke, and today'sguest is Jennifer Rose.
She is a psychic medium channeland healer.
In addition to her one-on-onework with clients, she
demonstrates mediumship forsmall groups and large
audiences, includingspiritualist churches.
In this episode, we'll discussher experiences as well as what
(00:22):
she's learned from the spiritualrealm.
Jennifer, welcome to theprogram.
Jennifer Rose (00:26):
Hello, hello.
Thank you for having me.
Johnny Burke (00:28):
So, when did you first discover your mediumship?
Jennifer Rose (00:32):
Not when I was a kid.
I knew I was intuitive.
I knew I was highly sensitivewhen I was a kid, but I wasn't
one of those seeing spiritseverywhere.
And that's a good thing toexplain to people because some
people think that they need tohave had that experience to make
them a medium.
So, not true.
Anybody can be a medium too.
So it wasn't until I was likelater in my life, about
2015-ish, I started feeling thecalling.
(00:54):
I could see what other mediumswere doing and the impact that
they were having.
I just knew I had to do that.
But I did have some experienceswhen I was a kid where, you
know, I was feeling spiritaround.
But if I told people like Iknew that was gonna happen or I
felt like that was gonna happen,they never believed me.
So you just learned to keep itquiet.
But yeah, even as a teenager,you'd find me at a metaphysical
bookstore.
(01:14):
And so I was always kind ofintrigued and interested in
metaphysical things andastrology and crystals and
things like that.
But it wasn't until later thatI finally felt that poll as
okay, it's time.
Johnny Burke (01:25):
And it's interesting that you brought up
that anyone can be a medium, andI'm sure you're aware of this
too, because you actually mentormediums, you can appreciate the
need for training.
In our last conversation, youmentioned you can't just take a
class and then put a shingleout.
Jennifer Rose (01:42):
Yeah, that would be a very bad idea.
Johnny Burke (01:44):
Yeah, very bad idea.
So you also channel as well.
Did you start channeling atabout the same time, or did that
maybe come later?
Jennifer Rose (01:55):
Pretty close.
I put myself through what Icall spiritual boot camp.
So I was starting to go todevelopment circles for
mediumship and workshops.
I went into healing, I learnedReiki, but I also was going into
trance healing as well.
And then if there was any kindof like trance workshop when it
comes to like trance speaking orchanneling, I was going to that
as well, too.
(02:15):
So I was all in.
Yes.
Johnny Burke (02:18):
You're talking about physical mediumship.
Jennifer Rose (02:20):
Yeah, so I have been in a physical mediumship
private group for almost 10years as well, too.
So trans speaking andchanneling are basically the
same thing, but some people havetheir own sort of version.
So when we think of channeling,we tend to think more of like
interdimensional beings, likeETs or maybe angels, things like
(02:43):
that.
When we think of trans speakingin the mediumship community, it
tends to be more along thelines of connecting with a loved
one in spirit or a spiritguide, helper in spirit to
giving messages of philosophy,usually.
So that tends to be thedistinction, but basically
you're channeling, you'rechanneling.
So just who you're channeling.
Johnny Burke (03:03):
Okay, so speaking of who, have you ever come
across different like non-humanentities while channeling?
Or in your mediumship for thatmatter?
Jennifer Rose (03:11):
Yeah, for sure.
Angels came pretty quickly forme too.
So I was connecting with lovedones, guides, and angels.
And then a little bit morerecently, within the last year
or so, I've been getting morevisits from our galactic
friends, I like to call them.
And I think because it'sprobably more needed right now
because of the changes thatwe're going through, or they
(03:33):
just decided I was ready.
But I'm open to whoever wantsto come through.
I have found that spirit ismultidimensional and very
diverse, and so I never limit.
I don't go, oh, I'm only gonnaconnect with loved ones.
I don't do that.
It's like whoever wants tocommunicate, you're welcome
here.
Johnny Burke (03:49):
Okay, so you're open to whoever wants to come
through, but aren't there someprotection practices just to
make sure only the right type ofbeings come through?
Important, isn't it?
Jennifer Rose (04:02):
I have never had anything negative coming
through.
I've never had to worry aboutthat.
That may be just because what Ibelieve, or maybe I'm protected
by my helpers.
So it's important to alsounderstand what your beliefs are
about spirit world, and there'salso deeper understandings of
the experiences that we havetoo.
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Some people may think thatthey're communicating with some
kind of negative energy orentity, but really what's
happening is it's somethingthat's going on with their own
mind, their own psychology ofthemselves.
So it's important to likereally take a close look at
what's happening so that you canhave a better understanding
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looking through it at differentlenses, if that makes sense.
Johnny Burke (04:47):
It does.
And speaking of differentbeings, I've noticed that a lot
of the religious types tend totalk about things like demons
and so forth.
In your experience, is thatmost likely just like an E.T.
shapeshifter type that's justtrying to play around with us,
or could that actually be thereal thing?
Jennifer Rose (05:08):
It depends on what you believe.
And so if someone were to cometo me thinking they were cursed
or thinking that they werepossessed or something like
that, and I were to explain itto them and say, no, I'm not
seeing that for you.
What I'm seeing is you have alot of subconscious fears that
are manifesting in your realityor actually helping to create
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your reality, not anything wrongat all, but they might not
believe me.
They'd want to go to somebodywho would believe them or
confirm what they think ishappening.
And I'm okay with that as longas they feel like they got some
help from that person, too,because some mediums may say
you've got something negativeattached to you, or you've got
something negative in yourfield, and they're doing that to
(05:50):
disempower you and get you tothen be dependent on them and
their services.
But some are genuinely tryingto help people, some are
genuinely trying to help people,their beliefs are matching each
other.
I still respect them even if Idon't quite have the same belief
system because these arequestions I've been asked, I've
asked myself and asked tospirit, why do people have these
(06:12):
experiences and things likethat?
And so I have a some differentlenses that I can offer.
A lot of times people are goingthrough spiritual awakening,
and so what's happening is intheir psychic reality, but they
may think it's somethingnegative because they don't have
any other framework tounderstand what's happening.
Johnny Burke (06:30):
Speaking of spiritual awakening, you had an
experience that you described asa living near-death experience,
an NDE.
Jennifer Rose (06:38):
Yeah.
Johnny Burke (06:39):
How did that happen?
Jennifer Rose (06:41):
When I started developing in like 2015-16, I
pretty much was in a spiritualawakening almost right away
because I was doing so muchmeditating, taking so many
classes, and it was just time.
It was that was my destiny ofwhat was supposed to happen.
Right around COVID, when thatstarted hitting, I had started
feeling even more longingtowards what I would call God at
(07:03):
that time, too.
I was I kept feeling thislonging to know more.
That's not very uncommon.
And when COVID hit, I thought,oh boy, we're going into a
collective dark night of thesoul because people are gonna
have nothing to distractthemselves but their own
thoughts.
They're gonna be stuck withtheir thoughts and they're gonna
have to be working outwhatever's going on in their
(07:24):
subconscious or unconsciousmind.
And so for myself too, that'swhen I went into a deeper or
more what'd call more advancedstage of spiritual awakening
too.
I also had a health issue thatI wasn't aware of.
I was severely anemic, so I waseating a lot of ice.
So that contributed to what wasalready a very difficult
experience spiritually, and thetwo combined together basically,
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my life force was in not somuch in this plane, but was very
much in the other reality.
So I was seeing the quantumfield and I was in trance for a
long period of time.
And when I finally came out ofthat and and then was able, once
COVID relieved, I could go tothe doctor and I could get
treated properly.
But once I got through theworst of it too, I had come to
(08:08):
the point where I understoodthere was no separate me.
I was not a completelyindividuated separate being, but
I was always connected tospirit.
We know that, we hear that allthe time.
You're a spiritual being havinga human experience.
It's one thing to believe it orto intellectually know it.
It's a far another thing toactually experience it too.
(08:30):
So I had a lot of psychic stuffgoing on in my reality that got
me to that point.
And so now, like I'm alwaysconnected, I can always feel the
energy, but I'm still very muchhere in this realm too.
I exist in both, but I tryreally hard to stay grounded in
this one so I can be me.
Johnny Burke (08:45):
You mentioned something about being in trance.
Were you able to just go intothe trans state for like really
long periods?
Oh yeah.
How did that work?
Jennifer Rose (08:53):
Yeah, I was streaming information.
I was trans down for hours,lost a lot of weight too, but I
finally moved through the worstof it.
Uh, shamans will go throughthis too.
This was more of a kundaliniawakening for me, also, so it
was like very much an energetictransformation that was
happening within my system.
But if you think of a shamanicinitiation, they go down into
the underworld and they have toface their darkness, and their
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psyche's gonna give them scarythings happening and stuff like
that too.
It's that's all pretty common,but it's just a way of basically
helping you to transcendduality.
Now, do I consider myself ascompletely enlightened and
transcended duality?
No.
But I made a lot of progress.
So somebody who has an NDE,they may come back like me with
a lot more healing has happened,but they still have some work
(09:37):
to do.
Some people may come outtotally like the whole house got
a cleaning.
So it just depends on who itis.
But I've never been the samesince.
Johnny Burke (09:47):
You mentioned something a moment ago, which I
think was a reference to entityattachments.
When let's say a healer or amedium or whoever notices there
are attachments in your energyfield.
Is the issue that somepractitioners want you to be
dependent on them to clean them,or is it something else?
Jennifer Rose (10:10):
Yeah, very good question.
So some people, practitioners,they may already have a
pre-existing belief in that.
And so then they see something,and then so they go, well, it's
that.
They've been taught that, theybelieved that from before.
Now we have to remember that,and I have respect for my
colleagues who have differentbelief systems than me, and
that's okay.
As long as I know they'regenuinely trying to help people,
(10:31):
then I'm not gonna say, hey,you're trying to harm someone on
purpose to get their money, butthat is a thing sometimes,
right?
It's very important that anyonewho's in healing work like
this, whether you're a medium ora healer, a psychic, whatever,
that you're doing yourself-development work so you
have a nice clear channel, andyour your own stuff is not
interfering with what'shappening with that person.
(10:52):
So, like, that's in first andforemost.
I do not believe in spiritattachments.
I know some people do.
That's okay.
I have respect for them aswell, but I'll just give you my
lens or my view as I've come tounderstand it too.
When we when we pass over, ourconsciousness changes, or it can
becomes non-physical onceagain.
Now, it was always non-physicaland physical.
(11:12):
So there's a part of us that'sstill residing over in the
spirit world.
Our higher self is non-physicaland it's channeling itself
through us as this physicalmanifestation.
Johnny Burke (11:22):
It's pretty crazy to think about our spirit beings
or our higher selves could betogether right now looking down,
thinking, oh, he's trying tofigure this out or trying to ask
the right question or whatever.
Jennifer Rose (11:36):
It's like the Harry Potter movie where he dips
himself into the pool of waterin the bowl, and then when he
dips his face in, he's seeing awhole nother reality happen.
It's like that.
That's a good way of giving youlike a an analogy of what it's
like to be in spirit and thentranslate your consciousness
into a physical reality.
That makes sense.
Because we know this isn'tactually as solid as we think it
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is.
With attachments, the questionis is we have to ask ourselves a
couple questions.
So the theory is they needenergy, and that's so that's why
they're doing that.
So I'm like, why do they needenergy?
They're consciousness, they'redivine, they were never
separate, and they already areenergy.
Where's all their spirithelpers?
Where's their loved ones?
Where's God, source creator,and all of this?
Wouldn't they help them alongthe way over to where they're
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supposed to go?
Johnny Burke (12:19):
I would think so, because I've had people on the
show talking about entityattachments, and it's almost
like an earthbound ghost orsomething, like you said, that
is feeding off the energy, whichalso reminds me of what we have
heard about the malevolent ETs,where they basically feed off
of our energy at extremes.
Some negative and like anythingfrom manic to completely like
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depressive.
Does that make sense or notnecessarily?
Jennifer Rose (12:48):
There's a package of of information that you just
gave me there.
I'll try to like get throughthose different steps too.
What could be happening whensomeone sees an attachment is
that what there actually is intoin tuning into is another part
of that person's psyche, likeanother persona that perhaps
needs to be more integrated.
It could be a situation.
They could be seeing a darkspot in someone's or and that's
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basically something in theirlife that they're transforming
right there, too.
So it's the lens at whichthey're perceiving what's
happening, if that makes sensetoo.
When it comes to ghosts, that'spretty interesting because
again, I would say, like, whereis spirit?
No one's going to be leftbehind once your consciousness,
you're not physical anymore, soyou're going to be in the realm
of consciousness now with allthe other realm of
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consciousnesses, too.
But what's really happening istoo is when I see soul rescue
going on, then what we're seeingis a ghost is somebody who is
invisible, so can't be seen,can't be heard, needs help going
to the light, being seen, beingheard, needs help being
illuminated.
What would you say most peopleare feeling in the back of their
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minds?
No one sees me, no one hearsme.
When is someone gonna notice Iexist?
Those kinds of thoughts.
And so what happens with theissues of our anchos, it's it's
like a reflection of what peopleexperience psychically and
psychologically.
So it's a reflection, but thatdoesn't mean it's real, it's an
illusion.
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But we can use any illusion toteach us something.
So they're not there just forno reason.
Illusions can teach ussomething.
This reality is full of smokeand mirrors and illusions, and
we have to keep going deeper anddeeper through the layers to
try to get to more clarity.
Does that make sense too?
Johnny Burke (14:31):
It does.
Speaking of earthbound ghosts,you have had experience with
them or no, but I also did notcome in with that belief system
too.
Jennifer Rose (14:41):
So I've never had a problem connecting with
anybody.
I've never had a problemfinding somebody, connecting
with them, seeing where theyare, seeing how they're doing.
And I've never seen anybodyhaving anything bad happening to
them.
And but I know that colleaguesof mine believe that's a thing
and that's okay.
But I kept asking spiritbecause there were two camps.
(15:03):
That's not true, they're allfakes, they're all trying to
take your money.
And then there's this campsaying, No, this is true, this
is what I'm experiencing, I'mtrying to help people, things
like that.
And I just went, Where are wegoing with this?
So I kept asking the question,it was almost like a need for
me, but a need for me is alsomeans that spirit wanted me to
understand things through adifferent lens as well, too.
(15:26):
And so it's just it's areflection.
It's just a reflection of whatpeople are feeling.
And so why would they be leftbehind?
Where's their helpers?
Where's their loved ones?
Where is the creator and all ofthis too?
Johnny Burke (15:42):
I would think the same thing.
Like you said, we're thehelpers, we're the guides, we're
the power animals, or whatever.
I would hope that no one getsleft behind, but I've
interviewed some people that onehis name is Rob Guthrie, he's a
medium, pet medium, but alsogets called in to do paranormal
investigations.
And one of the things henoticed was there was a
(16:03):
disturbance at the site of whereLincoln was assassinated, and
it turns out to be haunted bythe ghost of John Wilkes Booth.
Apparently he hangs out in thegift shop of the theater, and
apparently he didn't want tocross over.
He was a nasty man then, andhe's apparently a very nasty man
still.
That was his shining moment,and he doesn't want to move on.
(16:25):
So what we're driving at hereis that if someone does not
believe in earthbound ghosts asa practitioner, then they're
probably not going to experiencethem.
Does that make sense?
Jennifer Rose (16:37):
Probably.
I still keep an open mindbecause I think that's
important.
So if new information comes tome, then I will be open to
changing my mind.
And I think that's importantthat we all do that.
I also understand that when wetalk about these things, it's
which lens are we lookingthrough?
Are we looking through a lensof duality or are we looking
through a lens of oneness?
That depends because if we'reinto looking through a lens of
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duality, there it's a little bitmore fear-based.
It's a little bit more dark andlight distinction kind of
thing, too.
Whereas when you're lookingthrough the lens of oneness,
there's a whole lot of othermeanings and things that could
be really happening that wehaven't even touched into yet or
even considered yet.
The best question we can askourselves with any of this is
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what else could it be?
A lot of times with paranormalstuff, it's there might just
need to be a story that needs tobe told.
And once that story is told andonce that understanding is
happening, the energy changesand shifts.
Johnny Burke (17:34):
And it's not there anymore.
Jennifer Rose (17:36):
And it's not there anymore.
Yeah.
Johnny Burke (17:37):
Okay.
I've noticed that certainmediums will say one thing and
then, you know, a few monthslater some will tell me
something completely different.
I've come to understand thatwhat's true for one person might
not necessarily be true foranother.
We're talking aboutpractitioners.
Jennifer Rose (17:54):
For sure.
Yeah.
Johnny Burke (17:55):
I think training is really important.
I interviewed a gentleman whois the founder of Fervor Family
Foundation.
They have grief retreats andthings like that, but they also
test and certify mediums.
I've heard this from more thanone medium that actually was
certified there, that only about15% of the mediums are
certified.
(18:16):
So you've also had someexperience with past lives as
well, right?
Jennifer Rose (18:20):
Some of my own, that's one thing that I went
through when I was uh goingthrough a lot of spiritual
awakening.
I could still tap into that ifI want to.
So just a matter of likeshifting my mindset and my
frequency.
I'm not very fixated on pastlives.
I'm I'm more interested in ifthey can help you learn about
yourself here, if they help youin your know thyself journey,
then go for it.
(18:41):
If we get totally fixated onpast lives, then we're escaping
our reality here and what ourpurpose is here too.
So I like to focus on like thenow, what's going on in your
life now, if that makes sense,what's going on within you.
We can go on a lot of wildgoose chases with spiritual
stuff too.
And if it helps you learn aboutyou, great.
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If it distracts you from youand really like knowing who you
are, and so that you can elevateyourself into the continual
best version of yourself becausewe're always evolving.
And then sometimes you can getsome healing from it as well,
too, just by when the story istold, you basically illuminated
something, and then that storybasically gets healed, if that
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makes sense too.
So I am very big on theillumination of whatever is
still buried in the darkness.
It's basically when you unburythe bones, I use that
symbolically and metaphorically,then we change, then we
transform.
Johnny Burke (19:37):
You just mentioned healing a moment ago.
Do you consider yourself ahealer?
Jennifer Rose (19:42):
I do consider myself a healer, so that is
something that offer I do transhealing.
I also do quantum type ofhealing as well, which is a
little bit more interactive, andI teach healing as well.
But the person who is doing thehealing at the end of the day
is the person who's receiving,if that makes sense.
So I'm a channel, I'm a helper,but I gotta have a label for
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it.
So I'm not the only one makingit happen.
It's a partnership of me, ofspirit, of my client, and their
higher self or soul.
It's a team effort, butultimately it's the person who's
receiving the healing who isdoing all the work because
they're transforming, they'regetting whatever they need
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energetically or psychically totransform themselves to improve
their situation, whatever thatis, mental, emotional emotional,
physical, or spiritual.
Johnny Burke (20:33):
Would you consider that quantum healing or
something else?
Jennifer Rose (20:37):
With trance healing, I'm just moving into a
very like subdued, alteredstate, and and spirit helpers
will basically blend with myenergy and work through me to
send healing to my client or thegroup that I'm with.
And they can even move my handsaround and things like that.
So it's not me moving them,it's actually spirit.
It's quite magical.
Doing this kind of work issuper magical.
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It's the wow, the awe of it isfascinating.
And but with quantum healing,that's a more interactive
experience.
I'm still with spirit, but I'mlooking into a person's field
and I'm able to identify whatsituations their persons are
having, like emotions that ishelping to contribute to
whatever their problem is,whether it's anxiety or
something physical or emotionalthat they're going through.
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And so I can tap into thatabout when it happened, like the
story around it too.
And so when we move into thatand we start to unravel what's
going on with that too, it helpsto move that energy.
So it actually works reallywell because then the person is
also hearing the information andthey're able to go, oh yeah,
that's right.
That did happen.
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I did have something happenwhen I was four that was very
traumatic, and it brought in asubconscious belief about
yourself like this, or anemotion like this.
And then we get to move it.
And so then over the nextcouple of weeks, they can start
to see a little bit of a changehappen for themselves, like more
movement of the energy, andthey start to feel different
afterwards, too.
They're both really.
Effective, it's just dependenton what that person feels guided
(22:03):
to do.
It's all quantum at the end ofthe day, it's energy and light.
Yeah.
Johnny Burke (22:09):
The trance healing, then is that like
energy healing on steroids, oris it just another variant?
Jennifer Rose (22:16):
Yeah, like with Reiki, which I did take, I did
all the levels of Reiki too.
You're still working withspirit, but you're more present
in the situation.
So because you're following astructure and you're doing the
symbols and you're followingyour pattern of how you move
your hands around and stuff likethat too.
And a lot of times people whodo Reiki will progress and
they'll automatically realize Idon't really need to do the
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symbols anymore.
And now my hands are moving ontheir own because spirit has
developed with you enough alongthe way.
And so they start to noticesomething has changed in the way
that they're healing.
The spirit world is likedirectly coming in and like
blending with my energy.
I may even feel like I'msomebody else for a little while
there too.
But I'm very much moving my ownself out of the way.
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But if I were in person withsomebody, they could move my
hand for me, like no, overthere.
So it's not me directing thewhole thing, it's more of a
spirit world directing the wholething too.
Very beautiful, very magicalexperience, very divine.
It's a beautiful energy to bearound, and we get it too being
the person who's doing thehealing, being the channel, like
we're getting the energy movingthrough us to that's win-win
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all the way around, to to be apart of that, to see that
person's life change for thebetter.
I always feel grateful when I'mlike chosen by spirit and
they've guided me and thisperson us to come together.
And I'm like, thank you.
They've chosen me tocommunicate as a medium.
They've chosen me to be theirchannel.
And when you get into thatexperience, the atmosphere
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changes and you feel it, andit's just so beautiful, and the
heart's open and the energy iswow.
It's super magical.
It's not heavy, it's not dark,it's just beautiful.
Johnny Burke (23:50):
It sounds a lot more intense than a typical
energy healing session, though,don't you think?
Jennifer Rose (23:55):
It does feel different for me because I'm
really feeling the blend withspirit, same as if I'm
channeling.
So if I'm channeling or trancespeaking, they're very close in
my energy.
I like to say it's like a bigenergetic hug, or I'm a color
and they're a color, and thecolors are like merging together
and becoming a third color forhalf an hour or five minutes,
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whatever.
And so you definitely feel it.
So the presence and theatmosphere in the room is pretty
palpable.
Yes, you can feel it.
It'll make you sometimessleepy.
The client and myself too wecan get very subdued, and so you
it's like you don't evenremember sometimes what happened
afterwards is very much becauseyou're out of the space of
retaining memory.
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It's in a different brainwavestate, too.
So it is intense, but it'sbeautiful intense.
Johnny Burke (24:43):
Trance healing is something that we should
probably be hearing a lot moreabout.
Or does it get lost in therealm of energy healing?
Jennifer Rose (24:52):
There's so many modalities out there, but in the
mediumship community, we wouldconsider it a form of mediumship
because we're working withspirit doctors or spirit
healers, and a lot of magicalthings on the quantum level can
happen there too.
Like there's been stories oflike someone had a diseased
bone.
This is in when I teach class,I talk about this one medium, I
forget his name right now, too.
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But someone had a diseasedbone, and when the medium
healer, trans healer, came in towork with them too, spirit
world kind of dematerialized theexisting diseased bone and
replaced it with more of anectoplasmic type of bone and
re-materialized it.
And so then we get into kind oflike miracles, miraculous type
of things that you can'texplain, phenomena you can't
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explain, things going awayfaster than they should.
So there's been countlessversions of stories of things
that have happened over the lastmany years, too.
But that starts to filter intoeven other religions.
For instance, Catholicism,they've documented miracles, and
so people who have performedmiracles have been sainted and
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things like that too.
And you start to find it allover the place.
You start to find the miracles,you start to find the
unexplained phenomenon, and thenyou really realize it's like
Dorothy, we're not in Kansasanymore.
We are playing in a spiritualrealm, thinking that we're these
very solid human beings, butthere's so much more going on
that we're not aware of becauseour lenses are just so immersed
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here, and that's totally okaytoo.
Johnny Burke (26:19):
And it could be that some of these miracles that
you just mentioned that aredocumented in the Bible could
have been energy healing ortrans healing or something like
that.
When I hear you describe thetrans healing, it also sounds
like shamanism.
It sounds like something ashamanic healer would do.
Jennifer Rose (26:37):
Yeah, because they're working with spirit
world too.
Yeah.
Kind of like a different flavorof the same thing, too.
After a while, all thesemodalities start to blend
together and connect together.
And they're all beautifulversions, but that's how spirit
is.
They have so many differentways of showing us.
It's a very colorful way ofshowing us what's possible.
So the more we're open to allof it, like you get the whole
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candy store versus just a littlebag of the crush.
You know what I mean?
Johnny Burke (27:02):
It's just in your experience, besides what you
just described about transhealing, what are some of the
most important things thatyou've learned about the spirit
realm?
Jennifer Rose (27:11):
A couple of things.
If I want to give you the mostimportant things, we are them,
and they are us.
They say that again, again andagain, that it's just we're
having a different experience.
We've got our head in the poolof water, like in Harry Potter,
right?
And they're still there above,too.
And so every time they comethrough, they're like, Don't put
us on a pedestal because we'rethe same as you.
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You're our friends, you're ourbrothers, you're our sisters, we
are you too.
And the other thing is thatthey see us in our perfection.
So we are not judged.
That's the lens of oneness, isnon-judgment and total
compassion.
They see us in our absoluteperfection, they don't see
mistakes, they don't seewrongness, they see the truth of
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who we have always been andalways will be, which is like
the light of our being, too.
I had an experience with thiswhen I was in the dark night of
the soul.
I was doing a little bit of acosmic purging, you could say,
of old beliefs that were playingout that, and I was hearing all
these negative beliefs aboutmyself, and I was curled in a
little ball, and I had stoppedresisting it because what you
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resist persists.
Anything you run from willchase you, I always like to say.
It will come after you.
So I had just given up and wasjust allowing all of the
negative thoughts to happen.
I'm just like, yeah, give it tome, give it to me.
And then it just stopped.
When I stopped resisting, thethoughts just stopped, and
everything changed, and I saw mywhole life as it really truly
was, which was I had been abeautiful and kind person and
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loving person my whole life.
And any mistakes I felt like Ihad made were insignificant
compared to the truth of who Iwas and who I tried to be.
And then I became keenly awarethat we are all surrounded by
loving beings that, and that'swhat they see precious,
beautiful, perfect.
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So this is the higher truth ofall of this.
We live in a realm of duality,so we're gonna experience
contrast, totally negative,positive, all of this.
I totally get that too.
I I understand how bizarre andabsurd the spirit world can be.
It's an Alice in Wonderlandwhen you go down the rabbit
hole, but the container that allof that is in is the oneness,
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and the oneness is the divine,and we are all part of that
divine, and at the end of theday, we will come back into a
consciousness and the fullunderstanding, not under the
veil anymore, of who we are inaddition to our personality,
because we're so identified withour personality, we forget that
we're spirit too.
Johnny Burke (29:45):
If you had to really quiz the population and
you were to ask, are we humanshaving a spiritual experience or
a spirit being having a humanexperience?
What do you think they wouldsay?
Jennifer Rose (29:57):
I think you'd have a combination.
In spiritual land, as I like tocall it, like my community, we
would say the latter.
We would say spiritual beinghaving a human experience, but a
regular person might say, No,I'm human, and then I'm having a
spiritual experience too.
But I would say neither arewrong.
They're both right.
The spirit realm is full ofparadoxes, so when you're
looking for truth, the answer isgonna be yes, no, maybe so, not
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really exactly.
Johnny Burke (30:23):
Just what we need.
Jennifer Rose (30:24):
There's a lot of absurdity and a lot of paradoxes
to go through too, and it getsreally confusing if you're
searching for truth, and thensometimes you have to let go of
your attachment to it.
But what's been consistent forme that I can share with you is
that we are them and they areus, and they see us very
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differently than we seeourselves in each other, which
is through the lens of divineoneness.
There is so much going on thatin our human framework, we'll
probably never be able to toucheven a portion of it.
So to put a big question markaround that and just say, I
don't know everything, but whata mystery it is, right?
And accept that not everythingis gonna make sense.
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After a while, when you've beenthrough a lot of
transformation, you realize thatnonsense is actually more
logical than trying to makesense of things.
Nonsense bec actually starts tomake sense.
Johnny Burke (31:18):
We are them and they are us.
Jennifer Rose (31:20):
Yeah, we are them and they are us.
Yeah, it's a huge realm, it'sinfinite.
So I have the infinity symbolon my website too.
So I understand we live ininfinity, and infinity is beyond
itself, even too.
So that's just it's so vast.
But we are the vastness, right?
We are the vastness, we are allof that.
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It's incredible andmind-boggling.
And when you go down this roaddeciding you wanna be spiritual,
doesn't mean you have to bemedium, but if you want to be
spiritual, you will be tested,you'll go through a lot of
transformation in order to helpyou make peace with duality and
understand it on a deeper level.
And then you just be like,okay, the nonsense makes more
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sense than making sense, dude.
But it's all wrapped up inlove.
It is all wrapped up in love,and there is no place that love
can't be found.
That's the test of it all.
If you look hard enough, you'llfind it.
And it can be hard to find, Iknow.
Johnny Burke (32:19):
Yes, in the world we live in currently, yeah, it's
de it's definitely a a goodobservation.
Hopefully that changes.
Jennifer Rose (32:26):
Oh, it will.
It has to.
Johnny Burke (32:28):
What else do we need to know on the subject, at
least for tonight?
Jennifer Rose (32:32):
In in the lines of what you were just saying is
I understand the world is goingthrough some really challenging
things right now, too,unspeakable things.
It's very difficult for peopleto think, how could it be this
bad?
People, no one wants to look atit.
We tend to try to keep asdistracted as possible.
As good as it is, is as bad asit can be.
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And as bad as it can be is asgood as it can be, too.
And so we have to hold thebalance the best that we can.
I strongly believe we actuallyare ascending and elevating.
There is too much evidencethat's being presented.
There's so many visitationsfrom ETs and the cosmic beings
that are letting us know thatthey're here, they're
supporting, they're not doingeverything for us, but they're
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supporting.
And a lot of old structures arefalling away and breaking down
and will no longer be, and theyhave to be replaced by something
new, right?
So I really strongly feel I cangive some hope for everybody
that we are moving towards abetter place.
We have to evolve, right?
I haven't had one spirit beingor ET saying that this won't
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work.
They're basically saying thishas to be successful.
This is where we're going.
So what we can do is work onourselves.
So that means we have to cleanout the clutter of our own
minds.
We have to look at ourselvesand be willing to see what's in
there and do the work.
We can call it shadow work ifyou want to call it too, making
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peace with your darkness, cominginto wholeness because when you
do that, you change thecollective.
So it's like a critical mass ofpeople who are maturing,
psychologically maturing andemotionally maturing.
You get a critical mass, youreally start to change the game.
That's the game changer, too.
So that's what we can do.
It makes a big difference.
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So it's we got to be careful ofbeing always focused on the
external.
It's know thyself.
When you know yourself, youchange your reality, but you
also change the reality aroundyou of everybody that you're
connected to, and then some andthen some.
That's really important.
I thank you for allowing me toexpress that to you.
It makes a huge difference.
Johnny Burke (34:41):
That's what we do here on the podcast.
We're trying to learn just likeeverybody else.
And I think you've made areally good point about we have
to do the work inside because aswe change our reality, it has a
ripple effect.
Jennifer Rose (34:54):
Huge.
Yeah.
Johnny Burke (34:55):
All right, Jennifer, thanks for coming on
to the show.
Great stuff.
In the meantime, how can ourlisteners find you online?
Jennifer Rose (35:03):
Thank you.
My website ismediumgeniferose.com, so you can
find me over there, and I havea newsletter if you want to
subscribe to that.
On Facebook, I'm MediumJennifer Rose and Instagram
Jennifer Rose Medium over onYouTube, Medium Jennifer Rose.
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Welcome to Closer to Venus.
I'm Johnny Burke, and today'sguest is Jennifer Rose.
She is a psychic medium channeland healer.
In addition to her one-on-onework with clients, she
demonstrates mediumship forsmall groups and large
audiences, includingspiritualist churches.
In this episode, we'll discussher experiences as well as what
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she's learned from the spiritualrealm.
Jennifer, welcome to theprogram.
Jennifer Rose (00:26):
Hello, hello.
Thank you for having me.
Johnny Burke (00:28):
So, when did you first discover your mediumship?
Jennifer Rose (00:32):
Not when I was a kid.
I knew I was intuitive.
I knew I was highly sensitivewhen I was a kid, but I wasn't
one of those seeing spiritseverywhere.
And that's a good thing toexplain to people because some
people think that they need tohave had that experience to make
them a medium.
So, not true.
Anybody can be a medium too.
So it wasn't until I was likelater in my life, about
2015-ish, I started feeling thecalling.
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I could see what other mediumswere doing and the impact that
they were having.
I just knew I had to do that.
But I did have some experienceswhen I was a kid where, you
know, I was feeling spiritaround.
But if I told people like Iknew that was gonna happen or I
felt like that was gonna happen,they never believed me.
So you just learned to keep itquiet.
But yeah, even as a teenager,you'd find me at a metaphysical
bookstore.
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And so I was always kind ofintrigued and interested in
metaphysical things andastrology and crystals and
things like that.
But it wasn't until later thatI finally felt that poll as
okay, it's time.
Johnny Burke (01:25):
And it's interesting that you brought up
that anyone can be a medium, andI'm sure you're aware of this
too, because you actually mentormediums, you can appreciate the
need for training.
In our last conversation, youmentioned you can't just take a
class and then put a shingleout.
Jennifer Rose (01:42):
Yeah, that would be a very bad idea.
Johnny Burke (01:44):
Yeah, very bad idea.
So you also channel as well.
Did you start channeling atabout the same time, or did that
maybe come later?
Jennifer Rose (01:55):
Pretty close.
I put myself through what Icall spiritual boot camp.
So I was starting to go todevelopment circles for
mediumship and workshops.
I went into healing, I learnedReiki, but I also was going into
trance healing as well.
And then if there was any kindof like trance workshop when it
comes to like trance speaking orchanneling, I was going to that
as well, too.
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So I was all in.
Yes.
Johnny Burke (02:18):
You're talking about physical mediumship.
Jennifer Rose (02:20):
Yeah, so I have been in a physical mediumship
private group for almost 10years as well, too.
So trans speaking andchanneling are basically the
same thing, but some people havetheir own sort of version.
So when we think of channeling,we tend to think more of like
interdimensional beings, likeETs or maybe angels, things like
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that.
When we think of trans speakingin the mediumship community, it
tends to be more along thelines of connecting with a loved
one in spirit or a spiritguide, helper in spirit to
giving messages of philosophy,usually.
So that tends to be thedistinction, but basically
you're channeling, you'rechanneling.
So just who you're channeling.
Johnny Burke (03:03):
Okay, so speaking of who, have you ever come
across different like non-humanentities while channeling?
Or in your mediumship for thatmatter?
Jennifer Rose (03:11):
Yeah, for sure.
Angels came pretty quickly forme too.
So I was connecting with lovedones, guides, and angels.
And then a little bit morerecently, within the last year
or so, I've been getting morevisits from our galactic
friends, I like to call them.
And I think because it'sprobably more needed right now
because of the changes thatwe're going through, or they
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just decided I was ready.
But I'm open to whoever wantsto come through.
I have found that spirit ismultidimensional and very
diverse, and so I never limit.
I don't go, oh, I'm only gonnaconnect with loved ones.
I don't do that.
It's like whoever wants tocommunicate, you're welcome
here.
Johnny Burke (03:49):
Okay, so you're open to whoever wants to come
through, but aren't there someprotection practices just to
make sure only the right type ofbeings come through?
Important, isn't it?
Jennifer Rose (04:02):
I have never had anything negative coming
through.
I've never had to worry aboutthat.
That may be just because what Ibelieve, or maybe I'm protected
by my helpers.
So it's important to alsounderstand what your beliefs are
about spirit world, and there'salso deeper understandings of
the experiences that we havetoo.
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Some people may think thatthey're communicating with some
kind of negative energy orentity, but really what's
happening is it's somethingthat's going on with their own
mind, their own psychology ofthemselves.
So it's important to likereally take a close look at
what's happening so that you canhave a better understanding
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looking through it at differentlenses, if that makes sense.
Johnny Burke (04:47):
It does.
And speaking of differentbeings, I've noticed that a lot
of the religious types tend totalk about things like demons
and so forth.
In your experience, is thatmost likely just like an E.T.
shapeshifter type that's justtrying to play around with us,
or could that actually be thereal thing?
Jennifer Rose (05:08):
It depends on what you believe.
And so if someone were to cometo me thinking they were cursed
or thinking that they werepossessed or something like
that, and I were to explain itto them and say, no, I'm not
seeing that for you.
What I'm seeing is you have alot of subconscious fears that
are manifesting in your realityor actually helping to create
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your reality, not anything wrongat all, but they might not
believe me.
They'd want to go to somebodywho would believe them or
confirm what they think ishappening.
And I'm okay with that as longas they feel like they got some
help from that person, too,because some mediums may say
you've got something negativeattached to you, or you've got
something negative in yourfield, and they're doing that to
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disempower you and get you tothen be dependent on them and
their services.
But some are genuinely tryingto help people, some are
genuinely trying to help people,their beliefs are matching each
other.
I still respect them even if Idon't quite have the same belief
system because these arequestions I've been asked, I've
asked myself and asked tospirit, why do people have these
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experiences and things likethat?
And so I have a some differentlenses that I can offer.
A lot of times people are goingthrough spiritual awakening,
and so what's happening is intheir psychic reality, but they
may think it's somethingnegative because they don't have
any other framework tounderstand what's happening.
Johnny Burke (06:30):
Speaking of spiritual awakening, you had an
experience that you described asa living near-death experience,
an NDE.
Jennifer Rose (06:38):
Yeah.
Johnny Burke (06:39):
How did that happen?
Jennifer Rose (06:41):
When I started developing in like 2015-16, I
pretty much was in a spiritualawakening almost right away
because I was doing so muchmeditating, taking so many
classes, and it was just time.
It was that was my destiny ofwhat was supposed to happen.
Right around COVID, when thatstarted hitting, I had started
feeling even more longingtowards what I would call God at
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that time, too.
I was I kept feeling thislonging to know more.
That's not very uncommon.
And when COVID hit, I thought,oh boy, we're going into a
collective dark night of thesoul because people are gonna
have nothing to distractthemselves but their own
thoughts.
They're gonna be stuck withtheir thoughts and they're gonna
have to be working outwhatever's going on in their
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subconscious or unconsciousmind.
And so for myself too, that'swhen I went into a deeper or
more what'd call more advancedstage of spiritual awakening
too.
I also had a health issue thatI wasn't aware of.
I was severely anemic, so I waseating a lot of ice.
So that contributed to what wasalready a very difficult
experience spiritually, and thetwo combined together basically,
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my life force was in not somuch in this plane, but was very
much in the other reality.
So I was seeing the quantumfield and I was in trance for a
long period of time.
And when I finally came out ofthat and and then was able, once
COVID relieved, I could go tothe doctor and I could get
treated properly.
But once I got through theworst of it too, I had come to
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the point where I understoodthere was no separate me.
I was not a completelyindividuated separate being, but
I was always connected tospirit.
We know that, we hear that allthe time.
You're a spiritual being havinga human experience.
It's one thing to believe it orto intellectually know it.
It's a far another thing toactually experience it too.
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So I had a lot of psychic stuffgoing on in my reality that got
me to that point.
And so now, like I'm alwaysconnected, I can always feel the
energy, but I'm still very muchhere in this realm too.
I exist in both, but I tryreally hard to stay grounded in
this one so I can be me.
Johnny Burke (08:45):
You mentioned something about being in trance.
Were you able to just go intothe trans state for like really
long periods?
Oh yeah.
How did that work?
Jennifer Rose (08:53):
Yeah, I was streaming information.
I was trans down for hours,lost a lot of weight too, but I
finally moved through the worstof it.
Uh, shamans will go throughthis too.
This was more of a kundaliniawakening for me, also, so it
was like very much an energetictransformation that was
happening within my system.
But if you think of a shamanicinitiation, they go down into
the underworld and they have toface their darkness, and their
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psyche's gonna give them scarythings happening and stuff like
that too.
It's that's all pretty common,but it's just a way of basically
helping you to transcendduality.
Now, do I consider myself ascompletely enlightened and
transcended duality?
No.
But I made a lot of progress.
So somebody who has an NDE,they may come back like me with
a lot more healing has happened,but they still have some work
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to do.
Some people may come outtotally like the whole house got
a cleaning.
So it just depends on who itis.
But I've never been the samesince.
Johnny Burke (09:47):
You mentioned something a moment ago, which I
think was a reference to entityattachments.
When let's say a healer or amedium or whoever notices there
are attachments in your energyfield.
Is the issue that somepractitioners want you to be
dependent on them to clean them,or is it something else?
Jennifer Rose (10:10):
Yeah, very good question.
So some people, practitioners,they may already have a
pre-existing belief in that.
And so then they see something,and then so they go, well, it's
that.
They've been taught that, theybelieved that from before.
Now we have to remember that,and I have respect for my
colleagues who have differentbelief systems than me, and
that's okay.
As long as I know they'regenuinely trying to help people,
(10:31):
then I'm not gonna say, hey,you're trying to harm someone on
purpose to get their money, butthat is a thing sometimes,
right?
It's very important that anyonewho's in healing work like
this, whether you're a medium ora healer, a psychic, whatever,
that you're doing yourself-development work so you
have a nice clear channel, andyour your own stuff is not
interfering with what'shappening with that person.
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So, like, that's in first andforemost.
I do not believe in spiritattachments.
I know some people do.
That's okay.
I have respect for them aswell, but I'll just give you my
lens or my view as I've come tounderstand it too.
When we when we pass over, ourconsciousness changes, or it can
becomes non-physical onceagain.
Now, it was always non-physicaland physical.
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So there's a part of us that'sstill residing over in the
spirit world.
Our higher self is non-physicaland it's channeling itself
through us as this physicalmanifestation.
Johnny Burke (11:22):
It's pretty crazy to think about our spirit beings
or our higher selves could betogether right now looking down,
thinking, oh, he's trying tofigure this out or trying to ask
the right question or whatever.
Jennifer Rose (11:36):
It's like the Harry Potter movie where he dips
himself into the pool of waterin the bowl, and then when he
dips his face in, he's seeing awhole nother reality happen.
It's like that.
That's a good way of giving youlike a an analogy of what it's
like to be in spirit and thentranslate your consciousness
into a physical reality.
That makes sense.
Because we know this isn'tactually as solid as we think it
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is.
With attachments, the questionis is we have to ask ourselves a
couple questions.
So the theory is they needenergy, and that's so that's why
they're doing that.
So I'm like, why do they needenergy?
They're consciousness, they'redivine, they were never
separate, and they already areenergy.
Where's all their spirithelpers?
Where's their loved ones?
Where's God, source creator,and all of this?
Wouldn't they help them alongthe way over to where they're
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supposed to go?
Johnny Burke (12:19):
I would think so, because I've had people on the
show talking about entityattachments, and it's almost
like an earthbound ghost orsomething, like you said, that
is feeding off the energy, whichalso reminds me of what we have
heard about the malevolent ETs,where they basically feed off
of our energy at extremes.
Some negative and like anythingfrom manic to completely like
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depressive.
Does that make sense or notnecessarily?
Jennifer Rose (12:48):
There's a package of of information that you just
gave me there.
I'll try to like get throughthose different steps too.
What could be happening whensomeone sees an attachment is
that what there actually is intoin tuning into is another part
of that person's psyche, likeanother persona that perhaps
needs to be more integrated.
It could be a situation.
They could be seeing a darkspot in someone's or and that's
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basically something in theirlife that they're transforming
right there, too.
So it's the lens at whichthey're perceiving what's
happening, if that makes sensetoo.
When it comes to ghosts, that'spretty interesting because
again, I would say, like, whereis spirit?
No one's going to be leftbehind once your consciousness,
you're not physical anymore, soyou're going to be in the realm
of consciousness now with allthe other realm of
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consciousnesses, too.
But what's really happening istoo is when I see soul rescue
going on, then what we're seeingis a ghost is somebody who is
invisible, so can't be seen,can't be heard, needs help going
to the light, being seen, beingheard, needs help being
illuminated.
What would you say most peopleare feeling in the back of their
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minds?
No one sees me, no one hearsme.
When is someone gonna notice Iexist?
Those kinds of thoughts.
And so what happens with theissues of our anchos, it's it's
like a reflection of what peopleexperience psychically and
psychologically.
So it's a reflection, but thatdoesn't mean it's real, it's an
illusion.
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But we can use any illusion toteach us something.
So they're not there just forno reason.
Illusions can teach ussomething.
This reality is full of smokeand mirrors and illusions, and
we have to keep going deeper anddeeper through the layers to
try to get to more clarity.
Does that make sense too?
Johnny Burke (14:31):
It does.
Speaking of earthbound ghosts,you have had experience with
them or no, but I also did notcome in with that belief system
too.
Jennifer Rose (14:41):
So I've never had a problem connecting with
anybody.
I've never had a problemfinding somebody, connecting
with them, seeing where theyare, seeing how they're doing.
And I've never seen anybodyhaving anything bad happening to
them.
And but I know that colleaguesof mine believe that's a thing
and that's okay.
But I kept asking spiritbecause there were two camps.
(15:03):
That's not true, they're allfakes, they're all trying to
take your money.
And then there's this campsaying, No, this is true, this
is what I'm experiencing, I'mtrying to help people, things
like that.
And I just went, Where are wegoing with this?
So I kept asking the question,it was almost like a need for
me, but a need for me is alsomeans that spirit wanted me to
understand things through adifferent lens as well, too.
(15:26):
And so it's just it's areflection.
It's just a reflection of whatpeople are feeling.
And so why would they be leftbehind?
Where's their helpers?
Where's their loved ones?
Where is the creator and all ofthis too?
Johnny Burke (15:42):
I would think the same thing.
Like you said, we're thehelpers, we're the guides, we're
the power animals, or whatever.
I would hope that no one getsleft behind, but I've
interviewed some people that onehis name is Rob Guthrie, he's a
medium, pet medium, but alsogets called in to do paranormal
investigations.
And one of the things henoticed was there was a
(16:03):
disturbance at the site of whereLincoln was assassinated, and
it turns out to be haunted bythe ghost of John Wilkes Booth.
Apparently he hangs out in thegift shop of the theater, and
apparently he didn't want tocross over.
He was a nasty man then, andhe's apparently a very nasty man
still.
That was his shining moment,and he doesn't want to move on.
(16:25):
So what we're driving at hereis that if someone does not
believe in earthbound ghosts asa practitioner, then they're
probably not going to experiencethem.
Does that make sense?
Jennifer Rose (16:37):
Probably.
I still keep an open mindbecause I think that's
important.
So if new information comes tome, then I will be open to
changing my mind.
And I think that's importantthat we all do that.
I also understand that when wetalk about these things, it's
which lens are we lookingthrough?
Are we looking through a lensof duality or are we looking
through a lens of oneness?
That depends because if we'reinto looking through a lens of
(16:59):
duality, there it's a little bitmore fear-based.
It's a little bit more dark andlight distinction kind of
thing, too.
Whereas when you're lookingthrough the lens of oneness,
there's a whole lot of othermeanings and things that could
be really happening that wehaven't even touched into yet or
even considered yet.
The best question we can askourselves with any of this is
(17:21):
what else could it be?
A lot of times with paranormalstuff, it's there might just
need to be a story that needs tobe told.
And once that story is told andonce that understanding is
happening, the energy changesand shifts.
Johnny Burke (17:34):
And it's not there anymore.
Jennifer Rose (17:36):
And it's not there anymore.
Yeah.
Johnny Burke (17:37):
Okay.
I've noticed that certainmediums will say one thing and
then, you know, a few monthslater some will tell me
something completely different.
I've come to understand thatwhat's true for one person might
not necessarily be true foranother.
We're talking aboutpractitioners.
Jennifer Rose (17:54):
For sure.
Yeah.
Johnny Burke (17:55):
I think training is really important.
I interviewed a gentleman whois the founder of Fervor Family
Foundation.
They have grief retreats andthings like that, but they also
test and certify mediums.
I've heard this from more thanone medium that actually was
certified there, that only about15% of the mediums are
certified.
(18:16):
So you've also had someexperience with past lives as
well, right?
Jennifer Rose (18:20):
Some of my own, that's one thing that I went
through when I was uh goingthrough a lot of spiritual
awakening.
I could still tap into that ifI want to.
So just a matter of likeshifting my mindset and my
frequency.
I'm not very fixated on pastlives.
I'm I'm more interested in ifthey can help you learn about
yourself here, if they help youin your know thyself journey,
then go for it.
(18:41):
If we get totally fixated onpast lives, then we're escaping
our reality here and what ourpurpose is here too.
So I like to focus on like thenow, what's going on in your
life now, if that makes sense,what's going on within you.
We can go on a lot of wildgoose chases with spiritual
stuff too.
And if it helps you learn aboutyou, great.
(19:02):
If it distracts you from youand really like knowing who you
are, and so that you can elevateyourself into the continual
best version of yourself becausewe're always evolving.
And then sometimes you can getsome healing from it as well,
too, just by when the story istold, you basically illuminated
something, and then that storybasically gets healed, if that
(19:25):
makes sense too.
So I am very big on theillumination of whatever is
still buried in the darkness.
It's basically when you unburythe bones, I use that
symbolically and metaphorically,then we change, then we
transform.
Johnny Burke (19:37):
You just mentioned healing a moment ago.
Do you consider yourself ahealer?
Jennifer Rose (19:42):
I do consider myself a healer, so that is
something that offer I do transhealing.
I also do quantum type ofhealing as well, which is a
little bit more interactive, andI teach healing as well.
But the person who is doing thehealing at the end of the day
is the person who's receiving,if that makes sense.
So I'm a channel, I'm a helper,but I gotta have a label for
(20:03):
it.
So I'm not the only one makingit happen.
It's a partnership of me, ofspirit, of my client, and their
higher self or soul.
It's a team effort, butultimately it's the person who's
receiving the healing who isdoing all the work because
they're transforming, they'regetting whatever they need
(20:23):
energetically or psychically totransform themselves to improve
their situation, whatever thatis, mental, emotional emotional,
physical, or spiritual.
Johnny Burke (20:33):
Would you consider that quantum healing or
something else?
Jennifer Rose (20:37):
With trance healing, I'm just moving into a
very like subdued, alteredstate, and and spirit helpers
will basically blend with myenergy and work through me to
send healing to my client or thegroup that I'm with.
And they can even move my handsaround and things like that.
So it's not me moving them,it's actually spirit.
It's quite magical.
Doing this kind of work issuper magical.
(20:58):
It's the wow, the awe of it isfascinating.
And but with quantum healing,that's a more interactive
experience.
I'm still with spirit, but I'mlooking into a person's field
and I'm able to identify whatsituations their persons are
having, like emotions that ishelping to contribute to
whatever their problem is,whether it's anxiety or
something physical or emotionalthat they're going through.
(21:19):
And so I can tap into thatabout when it happened, like the
story around it too.
And so when we move into thatand we start to unravel what's
going on with that too, it helpsto move that energy.
So it actually works reallywell because then the person is
also hearing the information andthey're able to go, oh yeah,
that's right.
That did happen.
(21:39):
I did have something happenwhen I was four that was very
traumatic, and it brought in asubconscious belief about
yourself like this, or anemotion like this.
And then we get to move it.
And so then over the nextcouple of weeks, they can start
to see a little bit of a changehappen for themselves, like more
movement of the energy, andthey start to feel different
afterwards, too.
They're both really.
Effective, it's just dependenton what that person feels guided
(22:03):
to do.
It's all quantum at the end ofthe day, it's energy and light.
Yeah.
Johnny Burke (22:09):
The trance healing, then is that like
energy healing on steroids, oris it just another variant?
Jennifer Rose (22:16):
Yeah, like with Reiki, which I did take, I did
all the levels of Reiki too.
You're still working withspirit, but you're more present
in the situation.
So because you're following astructure and you're doing the
symbols and you're followingyour pattern of how you move
your hands around and stuff likethat too.
And a lot of times people whodo Reiki will progress and
they'll automatically realize Idon't really need to do the
(22:37):
symbols anymore.
And now my hands are moving ontheir own because spirit has
developed with you enough alongthe way.
And so they start to noticesomething has changed in the way
that they're healing.
The spirit world is likedirectly coming in and like
blending with my energy.
I may even feel like I'msomebody else for a little while
there too.
But I'm very much moving my ownself out of the way.
(22:59):
But if I were in person withsomebody, they could move my
hand for me, like no, overthere.
So it's not me directing thewhole thing, it's more of a
spirit world directing the wholething too.
Very beautiful, very magicalexperience, very divine.
It's a beautiful energy to bearound, and we get it too being
the person who's doing thehealing, being the channel, like
we're getting the energy movingthrough us to that's win-win
(23:21):
all the way around, to to be apart of that, to see that
person's life change for thebetter.
I always feel grateful when I'mlike chosen by spirit and
they've guided me and thisperson us to come together.
And I'm like, thank you.
They've chosen me tocommunicate as a medium.
They've chosen me to be theirchannel.
And when you get into thatexperience, the atmosphere
(23:41):
changes and you feel it, andit's just so beautiful, and the
heart's open and the energy iswow.
It's super magical.
It's not heavy, it's not dark,it's just beautiful.
Johnny Burke (23:50):
It sounds a lot more intense than a typical
energy healing session, though,don't you think?
Jennifer Rose (23:55):
It does feel different for me because I'm
really feeling the blend withspirit, same as if I'm
channeling.
So if I'm channeling or trancespeaking, they're very close in
my energy.
I like to say it's like a bigenergetic hug, or I'm a color
and they're a color, and thecolors are like merging together
and becoming a third color forhalf an hour or five minutes,
(24:16):
whatever.
And so you definitely feel it.
So the presence and theatmosphere in the room is pretty
palpable.
Yes, you can feel it.
It'll make you sometimessleepy.
The client and myself too wecan get very subdued, and so you
it's like you don't evenremember sometimes what happened
afterwards is very much becauseyou're out of the space of
retaining memory.
(24:36):
It's in a different brainwavestate, too.
So it is intense, but it'sbeautiful intense.
Johnny Burke (24:43):
Trance healing is something that we should
probably be hearing a lot moreabout.
Or does it get lost in therealm of energy healing?
Jennifer Rose (24:52):
There's so many modalities out there, but in the
mediumship community, we wouldconsider it a form of mediumship
because we're working withspirit doctors or spirit
healers, and a lot of magicalthings on the quantum level can
happen there too.
Like there's been stories oflike someone had a diseased
bone.
This is in when I teach class,I talk about this one medium, I
forget his name right now, too.
(25:13):
But someone had a diseasedbone, and when the medium
healer, trans healer, came in towork with them too, spirit
world kind of dematerialized theexisting diseased bone and
replaced it with more of anectoplasmic type of bone and
re-materialized it.
And so then we get into kind oflike miracles, miraculous type
of things that you can'texplain, phenomena you can't
(25:34):
explain, things going awayfaster than they should.
So there's been countlessversions of stories of things
that have happened over the lastmany years, too.
But that starts to filter intoeven other religions.
For instance, Catholicism,they've documented miracles, and
so people who have performedmiracles have been sainted and
(25:55):
things like that too.
And you start to find it allover the place.
You start to find the miracles,you start to find the
unexplained phenomenon, and thenyou really realize it's like
Dorothy, we're not in Kansasanymore.
We are playing in a spiritualrealm, thinking that we're these
very solid human beings, butthere's so much more going on
that we're not aware of becauseour lenses are just so immersed
(26:16):
here, and that's totally okaytoo.
Johnny Burke (26:19):
And it could be that some of these miracles that
you just mentioned that aredocumented in the Bible could
have been energy healing ortrans healing or something like
that.
When I hear you describe thetrans healing, it also sounds
like shamanism.
It sounds like something ashamanic healer would do.
Jennifer Rose (26:37):
Yeah, because they're working with spirit
world too.
Yeah.
Kind of like a different flavorof the same thing, too.
After a while, all thesemodalities start to blend
together and connect together.
And they're all beautifulversions, but that's how spirit
is.
They have so many differentways of showing us.
It's a very colorful way ofshowing us what's possible.
So the more we're open to allof it, like you get the whole
(26:58):
candy store versus just a littlebag of the crush.
You know what I mean?
Johnny Burke (27:02):
It's just in your experience, besides what you
just described about transhealing, what are some of the
most important things thatyou've learned about the spirit
realm?
Jennifer Rose (27:11):
A couple of things.
If I want to give you the mostimportant things, we are them,
and they are us.
They say that again, again andagain, that it's just we're
having a different experience.
We've got our head in the poolof water, like in Harry Potter,
right?
And they're still there above,too.
And so every time they comethrough, they're like, Don't put
us on a pedestal because we'rethe same as you.
(27:33):
You're our friends, you're ourbrothers, you're our sisters, we
are you too.
And the other thing is thatthey see us in our perfection.
So we are not judged.
That's the lens of oneness, isnon-judgment and total
compassion.
They see us in our absoluteperfection, they don't see
mistakes, they don't seewrongness, they see the truth of
(27:56):
who we have always been andalways will be, which is like
the light of our being, too.
I had an experience with thiswhen I was in the dark night of
the soul.
I was doing a little bit of acosmic purging, you could say,
of old beliefs that were playingout that, and I was hearing all
these negative beliefs aboutmyself, and I was curled in a
little ball, and I had stoppedresisting it because what you
(28:19):
resist persists.
Anything you run from willchase you, I always like to say.
It will come after you.
So I had just given up and wasjust allowing all of the
negative thoughts to happen.
I'm just like, yeah, give it tome, give it to me.
And then it just stopped.
When I stopped resisting, thethoughts just stopped, and
everything changed, and I saw mywhole life as it really truly
was, which was I had been abeautiful and kind person and
(28:42):
loving person my whole life.
And any mistakes I felt like Ihad made were insignificant
compared to the truth of who Iwas and who I tried to be.
And then I became keenly awarethat we are all surrounded by
loving beings that, and that'swhat they see precious,
beautiful, perfect.
(29:02):
So this is the higher truth ofall of this.
We live in a realm of duality,so we're gonna experience
contrast, totally negative,positive, all of this.
I totally get that too.
I I understand how bizarre andabsurd the spirit world can be.
It's an Alice in Wonderlandwhen you go down the rabbit
hole, but the container that allof that is in is the oneness,
(29:24):
and the oneness is the divine,and we are all part of that
divine, and at the end of theday, we will come back into a
consciousness and the fullunderstanding, not under the
veil anymore, of who we are inaddition to our personality,
because we're so identified withour personality, we forget that
we're spirit too.
Johnny Burke (29:45):
If you had to really quiz the population and
you were to ask, are we humanshaving a spiritual experience or
a spirit being having a humanexperience?
What do you think they wouldsay?
Jennifer Rose (29:57):
I think you'd have a combination.
In spiritual land, as I like tocall it, like my community, we
would say the latter.
We would say spiritual beinghaving a human experience, but a
regular person might say, No,I'm human, and then I'm having a
spiritual experience too.
But I would say neither arewrong.
They're both right.
The spirit realm is full ofparadoxes, so when you're
looking for truth, the answer isgonna be yes, no, maybe so, not
(30:21):
really exactly.
Johnny Burke (30:23):
Just what we need.
Jennifer Rose (30:24):
There's a lot of absurdity and a lot of paradoxes
to go through too, and it getsreally confusing if you're
searching for truth, and thensometimes you have to let go of
your attachment to it.
But what's been consistent forme that I can share with you is
that we are them and they areus, and they see us very
(30:44):
differently than we seeourselves in each other, which
is through the lens of divineoneness.
There is so much going on thatin our human framework, we'll
probably never be able to toucheven a portion of it.
So to put a big question markaround that and just say, I
don't know everything, but whata mystery it is, right?
And accept that not everythingis gonna make sense.
(31:06):
After a while, when you've beenthrough a lot of
transformation, you realize thatnonsense is actually more
logical than trying to makesense of things.
Nonsense bec actually starts tomake sense.
Johnny Burke (31:18):
We are them and they are us.
Jennifer Rose (31:20):
Yeah, we are them and they are us.
Yeah, it's a huge realm, it'sinfinite.
So I have the infinity symbolon my website too.
So I understand we live ininfinity, and infinity is beyond
itself, even too.
So that's just it's so vast.
But we are the vastness, right?
We are the vastness, we are allof that.
(31:41):
It's incredible andmind-boggling.
And when you go down this roaddeciding you wanna be spiritual,
doesn't mean you have to bemedium, but if you want to be
spiritual, you will be tested,you'll go through a lot of
transformation in order to helpyou make peace with duality and
understand it on a deeper level.
And then you just be like,okay, the nonsense makes more
(32:03):
sense than making sense, dude.
But it's all wrapped up inlove.
It is all wrapped up in love,and there is no place that love
can't be found.
That's the test of it all.
If you look hard enough, you'llfind it.
And it can be hard to find, Iknow.
Johnny Burke (32:19):
Yes, in the world we live in currently, yeah, it's
de it's definitely a a goodobservation.
Hopefully that changes.
Jennifer Rose (32:26):
Oh, it will.
It has to.
Johnny Burke (32:28):
What else do we need to know on the subject, at
least for tonight?
Jennifer Rose (32:32):
In in the lines of what you were just saying is
I understand the world is goingthrough some really challenging
things right now, too,unspeakable things.
It's very difficult for peopleto think, how could it be this
bad?
People, no one wants to look atit.
We tend to try to keep asdistracted as possible.
As good as it is, is as bad asit can be.
(32:54):
And as bad as it can be is asgood as it can be, too.
And so we have to hold thebalance the best that we can.
I strongly believe we actuallyare ascending and elevating.
There is too much evidencethat's being presented.
There's so many visitationsfrom ETs and the cosmic beings
that are letting us know thatthey're here, they're
supporting, they're not doingeverything for us, but they're
(33:16):
supporting.
And a lot of old structures arefalling away and breaking down
and will no longer be, and theyhave to be replaced by something
new, right?
So I really strongly feel I cangive some hope for everybody
that we are moving towards abetter place.
We have to evolve, right?
I haven't had one spirit beingor ET saying that this won't
(33:38):
work.
They're basically saying thishas to be successful.
This is where we're going.
So what we can do is work onourselves.
So that means we have to cleanout the clutter of our own
minds.
We have to look at ourselvesand be willing to see what's in
there and do the work.
We can call it shadow work ifyou want to call it too, making
(33:59):
peace with your darkness, cominginto wholeness because when you
do that, you change thecollective.
So it's like a critical mass ofpeople who are maturing,
psychologically maturing andemotionally maturing.
You get a critical mass, youreally start to change the game.
That's the game changer, too.
So that's what we can do.
It makes a big difference.
(34:19):
So it's we got to be careful ofbeing always focused on the
external.
It's know thyself.
When you know yourself, youchange your reality, but you
also change the reality aroundyou of everybody that you're
connected to, and then some andthen some.
That's really important.
I thank you for allowing me toexpress that to you.
It makes a huge difference.
Johnny Burke (34:41):
That's what we do here on the podcast.
We're trying to learn just likeeverybody else.
And I think you've made areally good point about we have
to do the work inside because aswe change our reality, it has a
ripple effect.
Jennifer Rose (34:54):
Huge.
Yeah.
Johnny Burke (34:55):
All right, Jennifer, thanks for coming on
to the show.
Great stuff.
In the meantime, how can ourlisteners find you online?
Jennifer Rose (35:03):
Thank you.
My website ismediumgeniferose.com, so you can
find me over there, and I havea newsletter if you want to
subscribe to that.
On Facebook, I'm MediumJennifer Rose and Instagram
Jennifer Rose Medium over onYouTube, Medium Jennifer Rose.
Johnny Burke (35:18):
You've been listening to Closer to Venus,
I'm Johnny Burke.
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Thanks for tuning in, and we'llsee you next time.
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