🎙️ Before It Was Safe: The Lives That Made Pride Possible | Ep 20 - Coffee with Gays™: Every Sip Is A Story

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
he said let me have it, there's more.
He's the guy's beencommunicating with the kids and
everybody else.
You know, I literally I'm inthe passenger seat while she's
driving.
I literally like just put myhead in my hands and looked up

(00:27):
and said my life is over.
That's what I said.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Wow.
So that is from our friend Matt, and we recorded that actually
a year ago and he was in thecloset for 35 years basically
cruising gay bars, parks, likethe things that you always hear
about, that like you've nevermet a person like this.
And I met him here in Dallasand we decided to interview him

(00:56):
with Coffee with Gays.
He was outed just an incrediblestory.
It was very painful.
So episode one is about hisouting and then episode two is
kind of like after he was outedand like his life afterwards.
It's really a story ofredemption and we thought it
would be really good for Pridebut we couldn't launch it last
year for so many reasons.
So this year we're launching itfor Pride and I just wanted to

(01:20):
open with that clip because Ithink we forget that we've come
so far and there were so manypeople that have been in the
closet and just didn't reallyhave the ability to come out and
be free.
So that's why I wanted tointroduce today's episode of
Coffee with Gaze.
Before it was safe, lookingback on the lives that made
pride possible.

(01:40):
So welcome to Coffee with Gaze.

Speaker 5 (01:44):
I'm Blaine and I'm Reid Didn't want to interrupt
you, but wow, the kids.
That blows my mind, I mean.
So just to tell the audience.
I was not a part of thatepisode.
I was not recorded with thatepisode.
I have not seen that episode orwatched that episode, but, um,

(02:06):
I had no idea that this, thisguy that he was seeing or dating
, or he thought he was seeing,went so far as to contact his
children.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Oh my goodness it's actually not dating.
It was just a random person ona business trip was this pre
pre-facial recognition orsecurity on your iPhone?

Speaker 5 (02:29):
I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
People can get your passcode, you know.
So you know, yeah, it's thatkind of story.
Yeah, he was on a business triphere in Dallas, so it was very,
very shocking what happened.
Obviously, you don't have yourphone, you can't contact your
family, but somebody else wasExactly Extorted money.
I mean, it was a whole thing.

(02:51):
So a lot can happen in 12 hourswithout your phone, and that's
the story.

Speaker 5 (02:56):
Okay, so the guy stole his phone.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, stole his phone .
He had to make it back to hishotel, make it back to his home
in New Jersey.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
phone he had to make it back to his hotel, make it
back to his home in new jersey,all without a phone.
Was he drugged?
Was he date?
Like what did he get?
Like roofied?
We don't know, but we assumemaybe potentially he was very oh
my gosh, I I bet that'll makeall y'all think twice about
grinder and or or any.
Yeah, just think twice.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
He was, he's saying at the he was just out at the
bar.
He was just out at the bar, hemet some random person and
that's what happened.
So his world really did unravel.
It was painful what happened,but I love part two because,
like I said, it's really aredemption story and kind of
like his life after all that andhis perspective after.
So there's some really goodparts of it.

Speaker 5 (03:42):
Well, I'm looking forward to watching, listening.
I do appreciate that clip ofMatt's episode because I had no
idea.
I mean, I know you guysrecorded it a year ago, but
thank you for showing me alittle clip of that because I
honestly had no idea.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, it's really amazing.
So part one drops June 12th andthen part two drops the next
week, on june 19th okay, all forpride, all right, I get it now.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
Just to say I'm not really a pride person, to put
that out there, but I willsupport blaine in this journey
look, I'm not a pride personeither, and it's really becoming
about pride capitalism and I'mso freaking over it.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
but we need to bring our pride back and just kind of
remember, like, what it's allabout, don't you think?

Speaker 5 (04:29):
I support your cause.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Well, look, I mean, again, I really think pride was
about the people that camebefore us and the reason we're
allowed to be gay and free inthis like great country that we
live in today, and that's kindof like what I think it should
be about and celebrate it.
So that's what today's episodeis about.
Again, like I was kind ofinspired by this documentary and
we'll get into it in a littlebit, but I really wanted to kind

(04:55):
of first talk about Coffee withGays.
We're kind of like relaunchingthe podcast.
It's June 5th and we arebringing it back.
Just you and me today.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
Just us two, yes, me and Blaine.
Ryan will be back, though.
Ryan, you're missed.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
I'm staring at your empty he's been a little busy
Massage school and a whole bunchof other things but trips
massage school.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
The AIDS life cycle.
Ryan, I hope you're doing wellon the bike ride.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Very last AIDS life cycle ever, ever.
So we're rooting for him, yes,very excited for him.
But, um, we have a whole newformat.
As you can see, I'm here at adesk, which I'm really excited.
Reed will have a desk, probablynext time as well.
I'm excited about that.
We have a lineup exactly, wehave a whole lineup of guests.
I'm really excited.
We both just had readings withvalentina like dallas is most

(05:44):
like I gotta get to the rich andfamous and both of our readings
were like four hours.
So we'll be really interestedto see how our interview with
her goes, because she's reallyexcited to do it.
I mean, we talked a lot aboutlike things like I don't know
the birth chart of America andlike how it like aligns with,
like things like you know, justlike where we are in.

(06:05):
I don't know the politics oftoday and how it aligned with
the French revolution.
She's a fascinating person.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
I'm really excited for that one.
Did I mention that I brought upBaba Venga to Valentina and
what the predictions are Cause?
Did you hear how people were?
We can get into this, but howpeople were stopping their trips
to Japan.
They were canceling their tripsto Japan for the month of July
because of what Baba Venga hadpredicted.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
No, who's Baba Venga?
Is it that weird alien person?

Speaker 5 (06:38):
She's not an alien person.
She was an old lady who madepredictions, and her predictions
were accurate.
She predicted all the way upthrough the end of the world in
5000.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Well, maybe I should go to Japan instead of Spain
next week.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
No, July.
July is when the tsunami islike some sort of major event,
but when you're talking aboutthe world and you know
Essentially, you're predictingthis now, so if it happens,
we'll do a podcast on it andwe'll bring this clip back I
mean sure sure, yeah, great,yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
So we'll have her on, we'll have a few other people
and, um, we'll put your phone onsilent.
Yeah, my phone on silent.
Um, you know we also have afull new look, new art,
everything.
You can go check out our linktree and you know, a whole new
perspective.
We want to just really bringback something cool and fun.

(07:34):
Like again, we're not a safespace.
That's the idea, right, we'renot a safe space.
No, I feel like a lot of thesegay podcasts are all like these,
like safe space, talking aboutpronouns and stuff like that.
We want to just talk about realtopics.
That's the whole point ofcoffee with gays, right?

Speaker 5 (07:50):
well, I mean we are millennials, so we are a
different generation technicallythan these other gays that are
out there.
I mean, I'll be 40 this year,blaine oh no, not 40.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
I've been 40 for a year, actually.
Yeah, now I'm 41.
How has 40 been for you so far?

Speaker 5 (08:08):
I don't turn 40 till August 1st and I'm holding on to
39, baby, I'm holding on to 39.
But we are a differentgeneration than those and I
don't think our views oropinions should be disregarded.
I don't think we need to beforced to change our views and
beliefs.
We made it to 40 or 39 prettywell.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Well, I had these little cards printed off that we
can give out to people.
You know, little Coffee withGaze cards.
And then I said this podcastmight piss you off.
Good, I don't know, I thoughtit was a good tagline to kind of
, like, you know, relaunch theGood.
I don't know, I thought it wasa good tagline to kind of, like,
you know, relaunch the pod.
So we will see.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
Our intention is not to piss you off, but if we get a
reaction, by all means I meanget pissed off, whatever.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Look, we're trying to bring brunch table energy to
this thing.
You know where we get argumentsand fight.
You never make it to brunch, soyou wouldn't actually know how
this works.

Speaker 5 (09:05):
That's probably why I don't know what brunch table
energy is you?

Speaker 2 (09:09):
don't, it's true, it would be nice if you actually
made it someday.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
I'll try to carve out some time in my schedule.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
It would be really nice if you did, really really
nice.
So I got really inspired bythis documentary.
I found really really nice.
So I got really inspired bythis documentary.
I found Obviously what I wantedto talk about today was old
celebrities that were gay, andso I started researching it and
I was like, okay, we know aboutsome of these old celebrities

(09:38):
and I was like what is adocumentary or something that
you and I could watch and thentalk about?
And then I stumbled on thisdocumentary, scotty Bauer and
the Secret History of Hollywoodand it was just so fascinating
because it really encapsulatedpretty much like every single
one of the old celebrities thatwas like in the closet, so like

(10:01):
Cary Grant, rock Hudson,katharine Hepburn, and it was
just fascinating to me.
So this guy basically was likethe hustler of Hollywood and he
was like in World War II, in awhole bunch of different wars,
and after he got out of theMarines he was like at a gas

(10:22):
station and then he was one dayjust filling up a guy's tank and
the guy asked him to goswimming at the pool and then
one thing led to another andthen he hooks up with him and
all of a sudden he's like ahustler one call after the other
and then he's just like thewhole gas station has like 30
Marines there and he's likefulfilling all these guys'

(10:44):
fantasies in Hollywood.
Absolutely fascinating, I mean.
What did you think about it?
Let's just kick it off, did?

Speaker 5 (10:51):
he work it Okay.
So, or just to say listeners,blaine did ask that I watch this
documentary as well, which itwas an interesting documentary,
come to find out.
Netflix and Ryanphy actuallymade a spin-off show about it,
called secret life of hollywood.
Is that what it was called, Ithink so yeah, the spin-off show

(11:13):
.
Yeah, um it was.
I thought I found itinteresting.
Uh, did he own the gas stationlike you know?

Speaker 2 (11:19):
I know no, he just was working there.
He's's poor, remember.
I mean, he didn't end up beingpoor in the end, but he was.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
He had his military you know stipend.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he didn't own the gas station,
he just went there and helpwanted.
You know, just was like pumpinggas.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
Just taking pump and dumps, yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, well, and then he started pumping and dumping.

Speaker 5 (11:41):
Oh God, I was a bad joke.
Well, yeah, I found it.
I found it informative.
It's a.
It's both a kind of a sweet andcute in certain clips of the of
the docu-series.
And then it gets like, justwhen you think you're like, oh
wow, look at that cute carriegrant and randolph picture, then

(12:01):
it flips to a bunch of nakednaked dudes in the 40s walking
down a boardwalk.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
I mean that's what, like I think really like opened
my eyes is like we really don'tunderstand how people like
really lived in the shadows backthen.
Um, and I think what was socool about the documentaries is
almost like this super glamorousmoment of like old ho, but then
also, um, it was not glamorousand also very like dark to me

(12:31):
and sad.
Like Cary Grant and hisboyfriend, just like they had to
live this like really dark, sadlife where they were in love
and they lived together.
But like here they are likeliterally married and they have
to hide it and live togetherwhile married like that's so

(12:54):
bizarre to me, right whilemarried to women yeah, married
to women.

Speaker 5 (12:59):
Yes, um, I mean, but they from the docu-series, they,
they owned, they had a hometogether, they had their own
house.
Yeah, they had two housestogether.
I mean, as as in the closet asthey were, they were living
their lives.
You know, I don't know, I.
So I've I thought long and hardabout that and I'm like, yes,

(13:21):
it was difficult and there werestruggles to be be had, for sure
for the gay community, butmaybe Cary Grant and Randolph
actually had it pretty well.
I mean, cary Grant married fivedifferent women or divorced
five different women.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah.
Now that I'm thinking about it,I mean yeah, he was on and off,
that one for sure.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
Yeah, man could pull him, man could pull him.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
I think the interesting thing for me is
there was this real bigdiscussion around like did
scotty betray these peoplebecause he waited?
This documentary takes place athis 90th birthday um at chateau
marmont which was what year Imeant to ask that 2017.
He's dead now.

(14:05):
He died in 2019.
But it so it takes place at his90th birthday, and he waited to
write his book until everybodythat he kind of outed was was
fished yeah.

(14:27):
And so there was this hugecontroversy about, like you, did
he really out them, you know,and they had family some of them
and like, was this a terriblething?
So you know, one of the clipsyou know I went ahead and pulled
was like this interaction atyou know, his book signing with
someone like, was this a reallybad thing that he did?

(14:50):
Like you know the moral aspectof it, I don't know.
I don't know how I feel aboutthis.
Let's watch.

Speaker 8 (15:01):
All those people?
Yeah, don't you think youmisled their trust by writing a
tell-all book?
A lot of people at the timeknew who these people were and
what they were, so it's not asecret really.
It may be a secret that somesquare that lives in Illinois,
but people who lived inHollywood, they knew these
people, I do love how he usedthe term square.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
I mean like they had a grandkid, the grandkid New New
England.

Speaker 8 (15:25):
I do love how he used the term square.
I mean like they had a grandkid.
The grandkid remembers all mygrandfathers was gay or whatever
like that.
What's wrong with being gay, so?
But thanks anyhow.
Okay, that's just my movie.
No, I can see it, thank you.
I did the book just to showpeople that people are still
people, that somebody's squaresthink oh my god, you're weird,

(15:46):
you're different.
You know, you need like.
Ladies are saying to me justwhat are you?

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I said I'm everything I'm everything, he is
everything.
I'll tell you that I'm obsessedwith scotty bauer.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
This guy is like something else I want to use, I
want to google what the termsquare meant back then.
Well, I mean, I know.
Well, I think it means the samething it does today.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Right, like just like I want to use, I want to Google
what the term square meant backthen.
Well, I mean, I know.
Well, I think it means the samething it does today.
Right, like, just like I don'tknow someone who's boring Judgy
douche.
Definitely a judge.
It would be a Karen, for sure.
Oh yeah, I guess.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
That's definitely what.
What a square is Okay, but yeah, I don't know.
I mean I I would struggle withthat too.
I think you know, theinteresting thing that I really
took from this is that he hadsuch an interesting view on sex,
like he didn't judge anybodyfor for being gay or any of this

(16:39):
.
You know, like he it didn'tthink of him any differently
even back then, and like he saidlike you know, everybody knew,
yeah, I mean everyone.
Well, again, I feel like you'rejudging, you definitely have a
judgmental thing.
Go go.

Speaker 5 (16:59):
Just don't call me Karen.
He's got a point, Like the guythat said, hey, what about the
families of the deceased thatwere in the closet?
He's got a point.
It is I don't know.
I don't know them personallyand I'm sure they're not hurting
financially, but you know,whatever, I don't think it's
ruining the deceased'sreputation.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
I mean, let's be honest, they already, like all
these people, knew before thisbook.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
Yeah, I mean, my mom told me about Rock Hudson, for
example, and I had no idea whothe hell he was.
I was like, okay.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Oh yeah, I'm going to get into Rock.
He was so hot, my God.
Speaking of hot, let's talkabout my favorite in this whole
thing.
Actually, that's really who Ikind of started researching was
Cary Grant and Randolph Scott.
Who I kind of startedresearching was Cary Grant and
Randolph Scott.
I mean the couple of the time.
I mean these two were justfreaking gorgeous.

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I mean, if I was like a littleyoung gay boy back in the 40s, I
would have been watching thesemovies nonstop.

Speaker 8 (18:14):
I have a book on everything here Grant Escott,
cary Grant.
What was so funny is they liveright behind the Chateau Marmont
there and they lived at thebeach too.
They lived right at SantaMonica Beach and they lived
together.
Of course people said they'reroommates Okay, we're roommates.
Of course people say they'reroommates Okay, we're roommates.
I mean, we're lovers, we'reroommates too.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
Well.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
I feel it's about time for a dip.
Oh man, is that Johnny WiseMola?

Speaker 9 (18:45):
No, I wish it were.

Speaker 8 (18:57):
Back in those days, people knew they were lovers and
together.
Then, all of a sudden, as yearsago, why did it come out?
How dare you suck that way?
But I'm not talking about anyset of great guys.
You know Both of them.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Look at this, doing those rings.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
This movie was.

Speaker 8 (19:12):
That movie was clearly way ahead of its time
and both of them.
I've also brought another buddyfor them where there were four
of us, two and three.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
I love how the title of that article was the
Bachelors at Home.

Speaker 8 (19:25):
Before he became an actor, a known actor, Cary.

Speaker 10 (19:39):
Grant was living with.

Speaker 8 (19:40):
Ori Kelly in New York , who was a mad queen bachelors
at home have here for a year anda half together.
Don't be judgy.
And you get Randall Scott andleft Ori dropped him like a hot
potato.
I'm sorry, but Randall ScottBecause he wanted to steer clear
for fear they might think he'sgay if he's with someone who's
known to be gay.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
So I feel whenever I'm around you.
Blaine, just kidding.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
I mean wait what.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
He said he was afraid to be around Ori Kelly because
he didn't want to be perceivedas gay.
So that's never mind.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Oh my God are you calling me Ori Kelly?

Speaker 5 (20:15):
I'm on a public podcast with you.
Do you think I'm thatembarrassed to be around you?

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Are you calling me a flaming queen?
That's so rude.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
Glass slipper fits Cinderella.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Wow, I guess I should wear my glass slippers next
time.
But to your point, carrie grantwas married five times during
this period, okay, and thenscott was married twice.
I had to get these down, okay.
And like during the same time,during these like basically

(20:47):
four-year periods, they owned ahome called bachelor hall and a
beach mansion and they livedtogether while they were both
married to these women I meanagain, I, yeah, I go back to
that move, that movie clip thatyou, that they show in the docu
documentary or whatever.

Speaker 5 (21:05):
That movie was obviously, or which was
portraying carrie grant to begetting turned on by randolph,
is it like, is he not?
It's pretty obvious, right yeah, for sure that movie had to
have been way ahead of its time.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
If that's the case, like I mean people just like
ignored it.
And then you know what.
What is rumored to be happenedis the studios actually worked
overtime to like concealanything about it.
They shut down rumors and thenthere's a story that a
photographer actually capturedan intimate moment between the

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two of them, and then thestudios actually had the
negatives destroyed to protecttheir image and they went out
and took more pictures.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
Is that what up?

Speaker 2 (21:55):
no, what do you mean?
No, they destroyed the evidenceand they didn't get anything
else.
I mean, this isn't like tmzback in the day, like it's hard
to get photos, it's not likeright, you know but it looks
like they took more with thecute pictures that were on the
documentary.
No, but like clearly anintimate moment, like a kiss or

(22:16):
more, like not just like them,just canoodling, I mean
canoodling is, I guess badenough, but like you know, we
can infer that.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
But you know, that's just canoodling, Canoodling.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
You know, you can kind of explain away canoodling.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
but no, I can't.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Do you know what canoodling is?

Speaker 5 (22:38):
I actually don't, but I really want to Google it
right now.
Or canoodle?
I don't know what that means.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
I love canoodling.
Canoodling is like what theywere doing at the horse races,
where they're just like kind ofcuddling together.
You know, okay, like cozying upto each other.
Is that what you mean?
Yeah, cozying up to each other,exactly that's canoodling.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
Let's see what does canoodling mean while you're
moving on favorite gay from the50s?

Speaker 2 (23:09):
well, I guess, yeah, the 40s, I guess in 50s, which
would be rock hudson, who, bythe way, I mean hoddie mccall, I
mean can I just tell you I thisis very true when going looking
at people during this day andage, they were beautiful, like
there's something to be saidabout people like pre fifties

(23:33):
that just were like naturallygorgeous.
Like I don't, I just am like soshocked by it.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
I mean you're referring to a time when most
were in the military or in theNavy, so they were all clean
shaven, clean cut, you know.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, yeah, but they, I mean they just were in the
navy, so they were all clean,shaven, clean, cut, you know,
yeah, yeah, but they, I meanthey just had like naturally
beautiful bodies, and so I dothink there is something behind
our food.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
It has to be that too what are you saying about my
body?

Speaker 2 (23:58):
I'm clean I think you're.
Everybody says that you're likesuper hot and it's so great
that you're on the pod becauseyou're the new cute one and
that's why we have you in adam'sseat with the bulge.
So no, I think everyoneeternally single go ahead single
and for sale very expensive.

Speaker 7 (24:19):
Cheap but expensive let's talk rock hudson you know,
in hollywood everyone knew thatrock hudson was gay, rock
hudson selected as the mostpopular film actor of the year.

Speaker 9 (24:31):
This is the second year in a row that Mr Hudson has
been taken by modern screen asmost popular actor.

Speaker 7 (24:37):
But his sexuality came really up when Life and
Action had done a cover story onhim.
It said that he was approaching30 years old and it was about
time for him to get married.
And if he didn't get married,he needed to tell his fans why.
And like a month or two laterhe married his agent's secretary

(24:57):
, phyllis Gates.

Speaker 8 (24:59):
Phyllis- essentially has a spot name.
Phyllis was gay.
Phyllis was gay and nothinghappened.

Speaker 7 (25:03):
It became kind of an open job in Hollywood.
Everyone kind of knew that thiswas an arranged marriage, but
it was very important to sellthat myth.

Speaker 11 (25:13):
It was about reflecting back a very
traditional middle class, middleAmerica viewpoint.
The truth of that was somethingvery, very different.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
He kind of has a James Dean.
Look to him.
Him, doesn't he?

Speaker 2 (25:31):
he does yeah, he really does, isn't phyllis like
such a lesbian name?

Speaker 5 (25:37):
I'm not surprised she's a lesbian we shouldn't be
judging the name phyllis oh, I'msorry.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
I'm sorry to any phyllises out there, but uh, you
know, I just say things likethis.
You know I'm I find itinteresting that, um, they
arranged a marriage with alesbian what I mean, that's that
that's extremely efficient ifyou think about it, I mean it is
really efficient.
I just find that justfascinating that they actually

(26:04):
found um found a lesbian.
By the way, I have a very umreally interesting little tidbit
piece of trivia.
Do you know rock hudson's umoriginal name?
I'm waiting for you to tell mehe would have never been famous
with it.
Roy bearer, can you imagine ifhis name was roy?

Speaker 5 (26:24):
I mean, you know my first name right, by the way why
am I going on a whole nametangent?

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Sorry to all the Roys out there.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
I know Blaine LeBron Like come on.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
I think it's a good name.
My mom is very proud of Blaine,I just have to say.
But you can say things likeblame it on Blaine.
I'm launching my new series,blaine Bitches, it rhymes with
things, but Roy, I Roy, I meanRoy, that wouldn't work.
Rock, that's good Rock.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
You have now changed it again to Blaine's Bitches or
Blaine Bitches.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Blaine Bitches.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
That's what we're going with so bluntly Blaine
wasn't a thing, no, blaine.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
No, Blaine Bitches.
I've always wanted to do BlaineBitches, so I'm going to do
that which is going to be called.
By the way, we're taking alittle detour, we're taking a
little detour, but Uh well, younamed it.
For me it's called Read Betweenthe Lines because I constantly
text and send videos while I'mdriving.
You don't text, you actuallyjust send audio messages and
video messages.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
I do, I like sending video and audio messages.
It gives a little, you know, alittle intimate.
I don't know it's intimate,it's private.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
It's unique.
I do love it, so we're going toshare that with our viewers.
Read between the lines will beavailable to you soon.
We'll be launching that on atcoffee, with gaze pod on tiktok
and all of our other socialchannels which we are live on um
.
The sad thing about rock is youyou know he died of AIDS in
1985.
So he was actually outed forreal because, um, he obviously

(27:54):
died during the AIDS epidemic.
So really super sad.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
I thought that was in .
I thought that was a hearsay.
I'm sorry.
I thought it wasn't publiclyknown that he passed wave aids
like they were keeping it hushhush they were keeping it hush
hush but it was finallyconfirmed.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Like did some, like due diligence on it?
So it finally like theyconfirmed it, that at first they
kind of denied it but then theyfinally confirmed it is this
next one about katherine hepburn?
It's my favorite one.

Speaker 5 (28:29):
Yes this is where she's like george george.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, so this is the thing that, like, absolutely
killed me.
Like I did not know thatkatherine hepburn was a lesbian
first of all.
Like did you?

Speaker 5 (28:45):
I mean if, if you want to know my level of
ignorance, I kind of just assumethat nobody before 1970 was gay
.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Well, you also previously kept referring to her
as Audrey Hepburn, which is notthe same person.

Speaker 5 (28:59):
Yeah, I did.
To my defense, they have thesame last name, man.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
It is true.
It is true.
So I did not know thatKatherine Hepburn was a lesbian,
but a long, long time lesbianand just absolutely crazy.
I just love, well, I love her,but this story is just
fascinating.

Speaker 6 (29:17):
What can you say about, if anything about,
Katherine Hepburn?

Speaker 8 (29:21):
Katherine Hepburn would have liked you.
Katherine Hepburn was notreally nice to Spencer Tracy.

Speaker 6 (29:30):
Because, huh, do you have any idea why that was?
Because he was married, or what?

Speaker 8 (29:35):
No, they were merely friends and they were in
business together.
Show business, spencer Tracy.
They were not in a beddepartment together at all,
never, never.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
It's wrong, never, never think lesbians like gay
men too much, or men for thatmatter and that's why it's a
better story.

Speaker 8 (29:58):
People say oh, I thought they were lovers.
You know, I said well, they,they weren't, but it sounds good
a lesbian in a gay marriagetracy is one of married wedding
was rockets.

Speaker 11 (30:12):
George Cukor directed some of the greatest
Hepburn-Tracy films.
Spencer Tracy lived on thegrounds at George Cukor's house,
but he was still married to hiswife, who he loved very much,
and there's always been thepresumption that he and Hepburn
lived together in that littlecottage.
In fact they did not livetogether.
There was another cottage whereHepburn lived.

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Hepburn in later years tried tomake it seem as if they were
living in a cottage together,sharing a household like man and
wife.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
Remember that night when oh I don't know you felt so
disturbed and I said well, goon in, go to bed, I'll talk you
to sleep.
I'll just talk and talk, andyou'll be so bored you're bound
to drift off.

Speaker 11 (30:56):
It was not that way.
They were not living together.
They never lived together.

Speaker 6 (31:02):
She was a designer of her own legend and she had
several fervid relationshipswith talented other women.
She was very guarded about whatshe did.

Speaker 8 (31:20):
George kind of told Katherine Hartburn early in the
game what I did.
You know, in a way Then I couldsee running through her head.
Well, if he fixes up guys, heshould be able to fix up girls
too with girls.
You know what I did.
You know, in a way then I couldsee running through her head.
Well, if he fixes up guys, heshould be able to fix up girls
too with girls.
You know what I mean?
I could see that I fixed her upwith every bit of 150 girls and
people says how was she?
I can't believe it.
At least she's over a period of100 years.

(31:41):
They've helped me 50 years.
I mean that's not unusual atall.

Speaker 11 (31:46):
The traditional image is that Tracy bullied
Hepburn.
This was not true.

Speaker 9 (31:52):
Oh, what are you doing?
Testing.

Speaker 11 (31:54):
She wouldn't have tolerated that kind of behavior
from anyone.
I began to understand that ifin fact there were conflicts
between Hepburn and Tracy, theywent both ways and she was not
happy about his drinking or hisfriendship with Scott.

Speaker 8 (32:12):
Scotty would come down to Cukor's house
specifically to see SpencerTracy.
I get arrived there at fiveo'clock in the evening.
At two o'clock in the morningI'm still sitting at the kitchen
table listening to him talk andgoing I don't know what else.
To help I better go to bed now.
And he'd get up and almost fall.
He put his arm on me.
We would go go to bed, but thenthe next morning he would
always say geez, I must havegotten drunk last night.

(32:33):
You were so nice to stay.
Just like nothing ever happened.
It was always the same.
He really didn't want to be gayor admit to himself.
he might possibly be, Gosh hewas just quite the hustler, and
so the best way is not to admitit, right.

Speaker 5 (32:47):
He never admitted there, though, that they slept
together.

Speaker 8 (32:49):
I can't handle it in my head.
It rocks me.

Speaker 7 (33:05):
The ironic thing is that it was somehow more
acceptable to the general publicto be in an adulterous
relationship than it was to begay or lesbian.
Same today.
But the whole thing about beinggay in Hollywood if you played
along, you were okay.
The studio executives did notreally care if someone was gay
or not, they only cared aboutyour public persona.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Okay, now I want you to dig into that.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
Okay.
So I, I mean, I will say I dothink that monogamy is kind of
in question today for a lot ofpeople.
I I also believe that a lot ofpeople think that monogamy is
stupid, doesn't exist, which Ithink is wrong.
For those of you that thinkthat monogamy is stupid, to
judge us, us monogamous people.

(33:50):
I don't judge anybody thatwants a polygamous or open
relationship, so I shouldn't bejudged for wanting a monogamous
relationship.
However, that that wholesituation just seems like
swinging polygamy, openness,non-monogamy, non-judgmental how

(34:13):
do you feel, blaine?

Speaker 2 (34:17):
I mean, I just don't think that people are judged for
monogamy.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
I definitely feel judged for wanting to be
monogamous.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
In the gay world, you do Hell heck, yeah, yeah, 100%.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
I don't know I to be monogamous In the gay world, you
do.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Hell heck.
Yeah, yeah, 100%.
I don't know.
I feel like it's celebrated.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
It's also very difficult to find a date that
wants to be monogamous too.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Now I will say that I will agree with you on that one
for sure.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
I've probably found more couples.
I've probably matched with morecouples than I have on Tinder.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Unknowingly, unknowingly, they were in a
couple well, that actually doesmake sense to me.
I do understand that,especially in the gay world,
yeah.
But you know I will say I dowatch those to catch a cheater a
lot on TikTok and it's prettyprevalent in the straight world

(35:12):
as well.

Speaker 5 (35:13):
Oh, yeah, I mean, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
So maybe you are right.
Yeah, I was just shocked.
150 women over 50 years, I meanI guess it's not that much.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
Compared to your number.
No, no blame, it's not less.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Oh, and I'm sorry, we've got your number.
That's supposedly 20, but weknow that's a big old lie.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
Yeah, it's probably way less.
If I'm being honest, that wouldbe, you know, 20 people.
I just yeah, no.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
The other person I was just fascinated with in this
documentary was George Cukor,which he just mentioned in this
whole Catherine Hepburn segment.
He was the producer.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
So that's a compound that he owned right.
It had three separate houses,it looked like.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, and so Catherine and Spencer Tracy
lived in the guest houses on thecompound, and then George would
have all these crazy partiesevery single weekend with all
these hot dudes, which is justlike.
I mean, it just seems soamazing.
These were the days and this isthe clip that you were

(36:19):
mentioning earlier whereCatherine was like don't out us.

Speaker 9 (36:25):
This Hollywood friend buddy.
You and I traveled the samehighways and low light in the
alleyways.
That's Hollywood, French buddy,you and I travel the same
highways and low light in thealleyways.
That's right.
You know, I worked for GeorgeCukor for two years and
Catherine Hepburn lived down inthe guest house.
She'd come up, George.
George, I hope you're not upthere spilling the beans about
us Telling the truth.

(36:47):
We've been in a closet for 40years and you know.
Finally we had to cancel a bookand George hated it.
George had to give back $75,000in advance.

Speaker 10 (36:58):
That nearly killed him, george Cukor, has been the
center of more controversiesthan any other director in the
history of Hollywood.
He's not only directed a stringof highly successful pictures
like Little Women, philadelphiaStory and Adam's Rib, but he's
also been fired from quite a few, including Gone with the Wind.

Speaker 8 (37:18):
I met George in 1947.
George came in the gas stationin his new and black Dodge sedan
, introduced himself and invitedme up to the house Within a few
days.
I was up here.
He almost came on like WalterBidgen it's a hot day.
I'd love to have you come up,take a dip in my pool and cool
off and things like that.

Speaker 10 (37:39):
George Cukor has never married, but lives alone
in a palatial home in BeverlyHills, a house which has seven
living rooms and only onebedroom.

Speaker 11 (37:49):
George Cukor was really one of the arbiters of
Hollywood society.
He was someone who had thegreatest parties.
He knew everyone.

Speaker 9 (38:02):
On Saturday nights there were, like the great
elegant soirees, that of thekings and queens of Hollywood.
The great elegant soirees, thatof the kings and queens of
Hollywood Vivien Leigh, laurenceOlivier, garbo.
Sunday afternoons, around thepool was brunch with 10, 12, 15.
See, everybody was justbeautiful in.

(38:25):
Hollywood.
Well, he's not that cute.
Scottie Bowers would alwaysprovide new talent.

Speaker 11 (38:31):
Should have been the talent right, Well, he's not
that cute.
George Cukor was the epicenterfor gay Hollywood in the 30s.
If George gave his seal ofapproval to someone, the rest of
the community looked on withfavor.
George resorted to Scotty.
He wasn't simply this, madamCukor called for events.
He was also a friend of GeorgeCukor's and Scotty became

(38:52):
friends with many of Cukor'sfriends.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
I mean this is kind of like that fabulous Hollywood
thing, time period for me that Ithink would have been beautiful
, the beautiful side of thisTime Going to a QCOR party sorry
as you, as they were talkingabout it, I googled images of

(39:23):
kukur's house because I'm veryinterested in real estate, um,
and I'm really curious to see aone bedroom, seven living room
house.
There's nothing reallyextravagant about it, it seems.
Today it almost looks buried inthe mountain.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
But yeah, kooker's an interesting guy yeah, he died
with like 2.8 million dollars, Iguess modest, but um, I think
he just spent lavishly, but Ithink at the time I mean he died
at the 80 and 83, so that'spretty a lot, but he had like
fabulous parties like all thetime.
Obviously katherine hepburn wasone of its top people, but he

(40:02):
lived up in benedict canyon yeah, cougar's house is the house
that they lived at yeah, theylived in.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
Well, they lived in guest homes on the property yeah
, right, but the main house thatcougar lived in was the one
bedroom seven living room houseas opposed to the other two.
So I mean it does make sensenow, if you think about it
logically.
If he has two other houses onthe property that have multiple
bedrooms, what's the point ofhaving any more than one in his
house?

Speaker 2 (40:29):
yeah, yeah, I guess that makes sense.
Yeah, why would you have peoplestay with you?

Speaker 5 (40:33):
if you don't.
He just wants to host partiesand then have them send them
over to their guest house.
Yeah, interesting fellow.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah he was fascinating.
You know, I think the reallyinteresting part of this
documentary is it wasn't justthe glamour and everything of
hollywood, it was also justreally like a scary time for
gays, and I think what reallyhit home for me about it is I
see a lot on tiktok and socialmedia about people saying, oh,
it's so dangerous to be anamerican and everything, when

(41:01):
really I think this is like thebest time we've ever been able
to be gay and probably one ofthe safest countries, and there
was just some stuff that Ididn't even know.
It's just really kind ofterrifying about, like, what
gays had to go through in likethe 40s and 50s and really up
until the 70s.
So this was a pretty powerfulclip, I thought.

Speaker 8 (41:23):
Remember at that time many people who were gay had
jobs that they would lose jobsif they were exposed in any way.
After World War II the ViceSquad was red hot in this town
Picking up guys for nothing.

Speaker 9 (41:43):
It wasn't fun sitting in a gay bar on Melrose in 1962
, waiting for the police to raid.
They'd go in there and say wehave a court of eight for
tonight and you know to bebeaten up in public parks or
have an effeminate friendviciously attack going down the
street.

Speaker 11 (42:04):
It's probably hard for people who were born in the
last 20, 30, perhaps even 40years to fully grasp how
difficult it was.
Not only was it hard for themto find someone to fall in love,
but if they tried they could goto jail, they could go to an
institution where they might becastrated or lobotomized.
This was a terrible, terribletime.

Speaker 7 (42:27):
Lobotomize.
God Crush the monster Crushhomosexuality.

Speaker 8 (42:33):
Homosexuality is in fact a mental illness which has
reached epidemiologicalproportions.

Speaker 11 (42:39):
When we hear about these stories of people being
arrested in the parks and wethink, well, they must have been
such darrots to be down therehaving sex in public, but in
some cases, you know, they weresimply there to meet someone
like themselves.
Scotty was able to allow thesepeople to have lives that were
honest and authentic, which isreally what they were seeking.

Speaker 9 (43:01):
I think what Scotty did was kind of an introduction
service.
People wanted something.
Scotty would get it for them.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
So I think that really just kind of like sums it
up.
You know like he was aconnector and really helped them
find what they were searchingfor, you know, in a private way,
during a really dangerous time.

Speaker 5 (43:28):
You know kind of like what.
No, I just think our audiencewould be so pleased.
Now that I'm thinking about it,this guy graciously set up the
elite white celebrities of the50s.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Well, true gay white no, you're 100% right.
I mean, that clip obviously wasa bunch of guys that you know
weren't elites that were gettingarrested, castrated and
lobotomized, right, oh my god,it was uh, and that happened.
By the way, I checked all theway up until the 70s, you have
to think.
The Stonewall riots and this iswhen Pride started was 1969.

(44:06):
So that's kind of when therevolution started.
These bar raids were happeningall the way up until into the
70s.
So you know, it was reallydangerous to be gay.
You could be arrested all thetime, oh you know.
And then, obviously, like evenwith our friend Matt, like all

(44:29):
the way into the 80s, 90s, youknow, early 2000s, like people
were in the closet for a reason,like you could lose your job.
There's obviously movies likePhiladelphia, where you could be
fired, and you can still befired in a lot of cases.
I mean, we don't have workplaceprotections but at the same
time, you know, even in mylifetime I've just seen so much
progress.
But you know, we still havekids and, like you said, we're
millennials that are posting,you know, crap all the time

(44:53):
about it being dangerous to begay in America.
I just got a few clips.
I'm going to skip some becausewe're kind of running short on
time.
There's plenty of them.
Not that Kathy Griffin is gay,but she seems to try to speak
for us and it really pisses meoff.
So I'm going to start with her.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Gays, you may not be safe.
So to be gay in America muchless trans, because they're
obsessed with trans people to beLGBT in America is not going to
be a safe thing anymore.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
This was right.
After the election of course.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
To be a woman in America will be even less safe
than it already is.
So take care of each other.
Have plans.
Make sure you know how togather support if you're afraid
to walk down the street walkdown the street, come on right
magnets on the outside of myokay, this one really someone

(45:49):
with I.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
I just I'm allergic to it, it's painful, it hurts,
it's okay, the the one I'm gonnaskip to is the one that just
really has been getting on mynerves lately, and I just think
it really sums up what I've seena lot of and it just really
bugs me more than anything.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
I'm ashamed to be an American Cause.

Speaker 10 (46:12):
God knows, I'm not free and I won't forgive the men
who lied and took my rightsfrom me.
And I'll stand up against yourthrone and curse her to this day
, because there ain't no doubt Iused to love this land but

(46:34):
goddamn fuck the usa.

Speaker 5 (46:37):
That's a ballsy ballsy.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Let me tell you something about this girl.
She identifies as a I'm shaking, I'm so upset about it.
She identifies as a non-binaryfemme-presenting lesbian.
She has 500,000 followers andshe claims to not be free in
this country.

(47:02):
She's posting about all thepride collections out there.
Look, she is free, she isprivileged, she is monetized.
Can I tell you, the celebritieswe talked about today would
have loved to have her platformand would have loved to talk
about the things that she talksabout, and they had to live in
the shadows.
And, by the way, what makes meso angry about that video that

(47:24):
she posted is she's saying GDF,the USA, and yet millions died
for her right to I'm sorry,their right to live and post
videos like that.
However, also, how many gaymilitary people also died that
were like in the shadows as well, and yet she's basically

(47:47):
spitting on their sacrifice.
It's really disgusting to me.

Speaker 5 (47:51):
Well, individuals like that, you know, anyone with
half a brain, would realizethat that's just a stupid,
stupid thing to post, you knowwhat it is.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
It's cloud chasing.
It's cloud chasing.
It's not like reality, right?
That makes it even moredisgusting.
So you're saying GDF, the USAand you're trying to chase cloud
and you're spitting on themillions of Americans who died
for your freedom to be anon-binary femme-presenting
lesbian with 500,000 followerson TikTok.

(48:23):
You know what GDF you?

Speaker 5 (48:26):
Rewind to the 60s and basically she's one of those
individuals burning flags in themiddle of like, in front of the
Capitol, like that's exactly.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
It's gross.
What an idiot.

Speaker 5 (48:39):
Except the irony in this in today, all of these
social media platforms, peopledon't realize that you're
reaching so many moreindividuals by being on social
media and posting these things.
You guys do realize that, rightLike.
It's not like back in the day,where a picture pops up and if

(49:00):
you're watching the news or youknow, or if you happen to search
it on the internet, you comeacross it.
This is reaching people in realtime like tenfold.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah, I mean, luckily the comments were really
negative against her on it, butit just was really offensive to
me and I think it was offensiveto hopefully, every American,
you know.
But it's not like she stilldoesn't have 500,000 followers,
sorry, they have 500,000followers.

Speaker 5 (49:28):
Well, it's not like people don't enjoy going on
YouTube and watching caraccidents happen.
You know like how many, so Iget it.
Just because she has 500,000followers doesn't mean all those
followers believe or, you know,agree with her point.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Yeah, look, I don't believe in cancel culture, but
for stuff like that, I justthink it's she's canceled.
It's grotesque to me, it's justgrotesque.
I truly love this country.
It's given us a lot and I thinkas gay people, we've Like I
said, in the 20 years I've beenout, I have seen us get so many
rights, so much acceptance.
Like I said in a previousepisode, I can go to my

(50:04):
grandfather's church in EastTexas and have more acceptance
than I had 20 years ago.

Speaker 5 (50:09):
Right, I feel the same way, coming from a Catholic
upbringing.
Now, listen guys, I'm not apride person.
However, I will never beashamed about being an openly
gay man.
I will never be ashamed aboutthe partner I have, whenever I
have one.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Thanks for clarifying .

Speaker 5 (50:26):
Just to say I'm not a pride person, but I am happy to
support the cause and I believein what Blaine believes in most
of the time we can agree todisagree sometimes.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
So, yeah, we've officially relaunched.
I just wanted to kind of make afew announcements.
We are now on TikTok atCoffeeWithGaysPod because I
think our other one isShadowband, but I'm going to be
posting on both YouTube.
We're going to just keepposting on CoffeeWithGays.
All of our new episodes willdrop on Thursday, starting June

(51:04):
5th with this episode and, likeI said, it'll mostly be just me
and Reid because we're supercommitted.
Ryan's still around but, like Isaid, we have some super spicy
guests coming up.
And right now we have a seriesthat I'm working on and pushing
out ahead of the launch of this,which is, I effed up, the
launch of my podcast, coffeewith gaze.
It's been actually really funto uh record, uh and all the

(51:29):
lessons learned during this, andI'm still have more.
By the way, I'm sure thisepisode will not be perfect.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
It already isn't I've been meaning to tell you.
I think this should be like astreaming streaming thing,
because things are gonna getfucked up on every episode in a
way for sure.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
It's already at 25 parts and I'm probably gonna add
five more just from thisepisode.
Um blaine is a perfectionisty'all, and sometimes he takes on
a little too much on his own,but you gotta give him credit
he's a hard worker you know what, I am having fun with it and,
like I said, I started thisproject and I think the biggest

(52:05):
issue, like we've talked about,has just been consistency, and
this is the first time I've beeninspired and dedicated to being
consistent, literally not goingout and just focused on making
content, and it's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work, but thankyou, by the way, for being here
like every day during MemorialDay and all this stuff.
It's been really fun to kind oflike reignite this.

(52:25):
I've been really having a lotof fun.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
Yeah, it's not like I have any plans, or boyfriend or
.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Neither do I, so might as well do something fun,
also launching a side series,blaine Bitches, which I'm super
excited about.
My first target is myhairstylist, who commented on my
slight weight gain.
Anyway, more on that, he'sactually going to be one of our
guests too, because we want todo a whole segment on herapy.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
Is he giving free haircuts?
Because I mean, if you're goingto be a guest, he never does
anything for free.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
honey, he's already trying to upsell me on
highlights this summer.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
I mean, I like my barber, but if he's going to
come on the show and markethimself and advertise, I think I
should get a fade.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Wait, I was waiting for a little quip on herapy.
What's herapy?
See, that's what I was waitingfor.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
See, my brain doesn't register things like herapy.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Girl herapy.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
It's like when you go get your hair done and you get
therapy at the same time?
Don't you know that I do chatgpt therapy?

Speaker 2 (53:27):
that is a part of your series.
You want to announce it again.
It's a read uh.
Read between the lines because,by the way, it is like I'm sure
you're weaving between thelines when you do all of your uh
I don't even think.

Speaker 5 (53:39):
I don't think I was in the lines, in between the
lines.
I think I was way over the line, but yeah, um, it's called read
between read between the linesand uh, blaine has created it
for me specifically uh, I thinkit's a cute name.
It's a cute name yeah, I meanit's it's all right, it's cute,
like you well, we're also goingto be doing one that's where's
ryan, kind of like where's waldo, but where's ryan?

Speaker 2 (54:01):
because we never know where he is.
I have to look up his locationI gotta look up his location too
.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
I think he's in.
He's at the walk or the bikeride right now.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So now he's in san francisco,but he was in florida last week.
I mean, we don't know, he wasat the gulf of america last week
.
Actually sent sent a picturefrom the gulf of america oh, he
went to Pensacola, right?

Speaker 5 (54:21):
Yes, yeah.
Was that Pride or something?

Speaker 2 (54:25):
No, no, no, I don't actually know what it was, Just
you know being with boys.

Speaker 5 (54:33):
There were a lot of boys there, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
So don't forget our two-part episode with Matt
coming out.
The first one will be hisouting, his traumatic outing,
and then the second part will bekind of like that redemption
post outing, like what helearned and all of his insights.
So if you made it this far,you're officially one of us.
This podcast isn't trying to bepolished or pretty, that's
fucking for sure.

(54:56):
Speak for yourself, but I hadfun with it.
So if you made it this far hit,subscribe.
It made the world to us also.
Please comment and tell us whatyou want to see here.
You know, have us talk aboutwho you want us to talk to yes,
absolutely.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
Blaine is going to put a contact email or some sort
something right here.
It's dotel at coffeewithgayscomright any requests that you
have, whether it's for readbetween the lines, for the
podcast itself.
God ask us questions y'all.
If we offend you in any way,let us know if we do something

(55:37):
funny, by all means you knowwhat I love more than anything?

Speaker 2 (55:40):
I love a hate comment .
I will, I will take you on allday long.
I mean, if you want to just goat it, just let me go for it
yeah I don't do filteredcomments, by the way, no way I
don't need hate comments.

Speaker 5 (55:54):
However, I'm definitely willing to accept
some sarcasm.
Make fun of me.
All you want, I'm all for ityes, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
I'm not afraid of critical comments.
How about that?

Speaker 5 (56:02):
we'll call it critical yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
criticism yeah, criticalcomments are fine.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Yeah, anytime.
So, yeah, um, that's it fortoday.
Thank you so much, reed, forcoming and thanks everybody for
listening.
I hope you enjoyed this.
And uh, yeah, this is the endof before it was safe.
Looking back on the lines isthat made pride possible, and we
really want to the end ofbefore it was safe, looking back
on the lines that made pridepossible, and we really want to
thank all of the people thatmade pride possible, and not

(56:29):
just the rich white gays ofhollywood, but really all those
people that suffered, because Ireally think back back on it and
there's just so many peoplethat you know lived in the
shadows.
We had the AIDS epidemic.
Really, the history of the gaycommunity is about strength and
resilience.
So happy start to pride.
I know you aren't a huge fan,but cheers to that.

(56:53):
Oh, this is my big mug.
I'll do my like small Coffeewith Gays mug.
So cheers to that and cheers tothe launch of Coffee with Gays.
And, yeah, we'll see you nextweek with our Nat episode.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
Yes, see you next week.

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