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Let's do it. Let's get into it.
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And it's maybe a silly reason because he doesn't he
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this conversation.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
We shouldn't have to have this conversation.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
We should not, especially when you talk about somebody that
kind of designed the position of a return man to
bring it to the level.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
That is at and when you talk about God.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
When we talk about return man, you start with the
be mitches at the world, but then you go bicycle Hima,
you go male Gray, you go Josh Cribs, you go
like this dude at the dude to do here metcalm
mecal like it's it's dude that designed this and made
it attractive position. And we're talking about somebody went second
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to Jerry, just saying that I should not have to
say should have a yellow jacket?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Second to Jerry Rice in YOURDS? All right? Should I
already have a canary jacket on? Be Mitch a lot?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
And I don't know who told me that, but I
was in awe of you when I heard that you
are second in all purpose arch to Jerry, Right, I.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Mean that is and I believe feet and how many
how many should play.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
The league fourteen fourteen to how many leagues used to
Jerry play leak twenty yees?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
So obviously people he built different. Well, I'm.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Just saying yeah, But you know, one of the things
that always come up to me is just why are
we Why are we sitting here when it comes to
because it's not just not just you know, be mentioned
a lot of playing, Jo Jakobe, like so many guys
that put into work man, and this is supposed to
be the pinnacle for individual players that they reach. Hey,
you reach the pinnacle because you're a Hall of Famer.
(06:33):
Why we got to sit here and kind of promote
them when they've done the work already.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
It's on tape because it's the Hall of the new names.
Like it feels like if your name not new, you
forget about.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
The past, Like how is that? How is that even possible?
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Like for you to like, shouldn't be somebody in house
that's going through a list of guys from whether it
was the sixties, the seventies, eighties to pay like make
sure we get these guys because they should be.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It should be somebody on every level.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
I guess every decade to be there to say, Okay,
I have to make sure that we get the guys.
That's that's due to you know that, just do put
put in the work, put the numbers up.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Should be able to do.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
You think the media got a lot to do with
that because the media regurgitation.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
It is the media.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
The media votes on it, and I think the ultimate
thing sometimes you get media people who rarely follow people
outside of the area.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
You know the truth.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
You can go back and look at the numbers on
different things and you can see who did what. But
there are new people who coming in now who finally
getting that vote. They're not going back and look at stuff.
If you don't come in from you know, young people
on to day. If you don't do it right in
front of them, they don't have a look back, you know.
And I think that's the that's the thing where you know,
I came into the league to be there for my team,
(07:44):
help my team out. I didn't believe in missing game,
missing practices, and I was I was bested to have
a lot of health and when you're going and I
never thought about a Hall of Fame, but at the end.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Of it, when you look at it, you go, damn,
I think.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Enough.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
And then you hear people to try to act like
every coach before every game they stress three phases of
the game. But why is it Martin n Anderson, John Stener,
rude ray guy? And then finally they went outside of
kickers Devin Hester. You know, it's like, is he the
first one?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
The first?
Speaker 4 (08:23):
But like you shouldn't have to compete with the Joe
Montanas if you're a return guy. Because I tell everybody this, listen,
Jared was great, Joe was great. Damn, ma Reno's great.
I bet you they could have done what I did.
They couldn't do what Devin did, you know, And I
think that it's too many times where the m V
(08:44):
Trophy is a quarterback trop Now the hall of Fame
is becoming. If you're not a running back, a quarterback
or a lineman D lineman, you don't normally get a
lot of do you.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Know For those linemen, it's like you gotta be the
best guy of your decade and this is what you
could pay to be the best the best dude at
that position, which is pretty wild. And so you know,
producer Jason said something before we started the show and
he said, you were like the first guy to make
returner like a dangerous thing. Someone you had to you
talked about the three phases. You were the first guy
(09:16):
to make it, so you had to account for the
three phases of it. What was the mentality that led
you to that? You know what I'm saying like is
it's like, hey man, go return kicks and now we
see the value of it.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
That's like a young guy comes on a team like
Jalen Lane, it's so easy to sell that to him.
What was that conversation like and how what made you
attack it with such ferocity? Well?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Being there, I played multiple positions growing up. I played
quarterback in high school, in college when I got to
the league. It was making your mark, you know, and
I was giving a chance to be a return man.
And I remember talking to Mayo Gray one time. He
and I were like, I said, mal, why they don't
give this position a lot of respect? He said, that's
make it sexy. And I think we basically formed a
(09:59):
competition with each other. We would go at it and
see what we can do. And for me, I when
I would be in meeting rooms with Wayne Severe early on,
I saw return guys that were timid. I was coming
in thirty pounds more than they were. The most of
the guys to eighty, I mean one to eighty. Stuffing
like that. I came in my first year. I played
(10:21):
at two or two. Then I started creeping it up
to I played as heavy as two twenty. Really, so
when I caught a punt and I came downhill, they
Kelly or a part returner, I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
A linebacker or a cornerback, I'm gonna feed it to
you death. Now where else to go? You know?
Speaker 4 (10:35):
And I think I began. So I look at it.
I look at like a lot of people like Mail
and Devin. I look at them like Barry Sanders, shifty yeah,
you know, Josh Cribs and all of the time.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Me I was Jerome Bettison.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yeah, downhill, I'm coming downhill, and I think, you know,
you're getting to do it. And then I had never
done it in my life. And then after three years,
you go, okay, well I can do this. And then
after four year and then ten years, you.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Know, I got to Philly.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
When I got the Philly uh with with John, John
began to you know, he would ask me what I
wanted to run, how I wanted to run it. I
basically was designing it because I don't believe in right
return left. I believe in five yards right away. I
catch it and I'm getting up here, you know, I
want to go to a straight line.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
And it was fun like a b gap run. Yeah,
so once I saw a crack, I'm going did like
running the wedge back in the day. Was that how
you guys did you? I never believed in the five
man wedge.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Always like two guys and a running back in between
me and them.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
It was similar to a running.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Play when you got the guard and attackle pulling and
then the fullback going through the gap and you follow him.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I liked it like that. I didn't like.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
That wadge because you know, you running it and a
guy come off that edge, you don't see it caught.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
The reason I bring it up is because I was
in the wedge in college. I was in wedge my
first couple of years in the league, and that that
is like one of the scariest things that I did
in my career. And the fact that you're the guy
behind it and they had dudes that were, you know,
hopped up on Mountain dew coming down there, and then
you played fourteen years and missed the game like it
just speaks to your toughness and physical courage, and especially
(12:19):
if you were returning the football that way you must
have been had you must have had some punishing collisions.
I did did one that you're you remember that. You're like,
oh man, this dude.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Like the ones that people will remember, weren't They weren't hard.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
They just caught me in the right place. I see.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Curtis Buckley caught me right here boom, you know, coming
out he went to I was coming through. The guy's
supposed to block him fail and he caught me. His
shoulder pad hit me. The league wanted to find him.
I was like, no, he didn't hit me with his helmet,
you know. And I try to try to protect him,
and they still find him because, you know, leave when
they decided they want to do something.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
But there were a lot of them. Man. I we
were talking about earlier with LeVar. Yeah, LeVar, we're coming here.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
And he said, because like I was here when LeVar
got drafted, and you know, the like the wear shirt,
keep his shirt off all the time.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I'm like, how you gonna have your shirt off? Man?
You look like you about three months. So I'll mess
with him all the time.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
So he told me, He say, dude, I wanted I
had you zero did he said? And I came in there,
I lowered my head and you hit beast. I was like,
what the hell is that? And I can see the
white of his eyes when I look down. I said, what,
I play it, but I just you know, I loved it, dog.
(13:37):
You know, I played fourteen years, and people will tell
you in my fourteen year I probably was as youthful
and having as much fun as I did my.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
First year Philly running punts back or kickoffs back. And
I'm like, hold on, and what point of career was
you in then? Because you look no different than when
you was we're here. That was year thirteen eleven, twelve thirteen.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, when we were playing against each other.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Yeah, it was like we played on the preseason the
two when I was with the Jets, and I remember you.
I'm like, damn be missed, still over there trying to
It looks no different, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
So well, it looks different than everybody else to ever
do it, in my opinion, because he's got the high
pied shelf.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
It's right now. I want the biggest want, the biggest fans.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
And the biggest help in the ft. Let me ask
you this. You have scored in.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Every way possible as an NFL player, right, you return
the kick, I mean kickoff, return the punt, threw a touchdown,
rush the touchdown, cop a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So the only thing he knew kick a field goal?
So that is the only thing, is it? Do you know?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Because I don't know anybody anybody else.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Card else was called slash. I remember that.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
I remember when that when he came to the league
and it was saying, I say, well, here he runs
the ball, he throw is it okay?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
And it might go out a receiver?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yeah, that's nothing compared to what to what you I
also cover kick covered punts. Yeah, you know, so you
got to have to run, running and attack the way.
It's just like anybody else.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Did you get a special team touched down while tackling
somebody like.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
They fumbled and you picked it up around one. So
that's the only way you had to knocked the ball. Yeah,
the interception probably.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
You said something like earlier you said you've you kept
your approach the same way for fourteen years, Like how
did you do it?
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Man?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Because I always think of like if I told someone
to go run through a door and someone took a
two by four hit me in the head. I could
do it good a couple of times, but.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Then I got to quick. But at some point I'm like, no,
that ain't for me. I had a mindset.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I grew up in a military dad, and my dad
basically challenged us.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Man. You know, I have four brothers, two sisters.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
I'm the youngest, and when I got to start playing football,
I realized you have to be able to know where
you can go. So when I practiced, I pushed myself
to a point when I lift waist, I lift waist.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I didn't want to lift with the running backs.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I wanted to lift with the linebackers to offer some
line of defense line and I would outlift some of them.
So when I got on the football field, I was
telling this to JP one day. I say, you know,
I played chicken with people. He said, what do you
mean you play chicken? I said, I run full speed
at you and see who's gonna shot, and try to
get off the line, because if you just give me
a little bit, I felt I was strong enough, you know,
(16:24):
to be able to run through somebody, to be able to.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Break a tackle.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
And if you came in there, if every time you
saw me first year you saw me, I'm coming in
lowing the boom on you. If in my fifthy I'm
still doing it, eventually you're gonna say I'm not hitting
him no more.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I remember when I would play against Philly and those
guys would like try to avoid hitting me.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
When I got up there, I reminded him of it, you.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Know, because it's like, look, man, football is an intimidating sport.
It's a intimidation sport, and that's all you got to do.
I wasn't the biggest guy, but when I got in
the weight room and I'll put the three four four
hundred pounds on the bar and put over six hundred
on the squad and do that. People would seeing they're
(17:09):
gonna do you can't lift that up, Harris. He was
a guy like, man, dude, you're crazy.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Did you have that same mentality and that same will
as a quarterback doing college?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Which is if I was a quarterback, they do.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I wanted to move him to running every time I
talk to him like that way this dude played quarterback
because and.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
When you watch the highlights that you like, if I
show you some highlight, he'll go, be bitch, you work raising.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
If I'm running right now, the gold line is there
at that wall and a guy coming in with a camera.
I leave the ground, famil, I leave ground. I probably
end up in the zone. My dad thought, my dad.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Stuff. He was a raging case. He had that mustache.
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
It just football to me never ever became something other
than the game I played as a kid.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
He just happened to start paying me for it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
And when they started to pay me for it, hell,
I lost my mind. Hell, you know, and that's all
it was.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, that's awesome, man, And so we already mentioned that
Devin Hester was is the only.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
The first returner to get into the Hall of Fame,
which I don't.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, and producer Jason does a great job of research
and stuff for us, and so like, let's just go
through so player, So B Bitch is the first number
I'm gonna read, Devin Hester is the second number. Right,
So games played B Mitch two hundred and twenty three, right,
Devin Hester one hundred and fifty six. So it speaks
to the longevity, right pub return yards basically five thousand
and four.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Hundred and ninety nine yards, right, you can fall for
one more yard. If I'd known, I would have done
that had to be in same So I'm like, Dawn,
why might go back right now? You can find something?
They might find something somewhere.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
And then Devin Hester, who again like I played against
Devin Hester, and I would be in meetings against Devin Hester,
like crying my eyes outlet I got I got a
funny story about.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Devin Hester in a minute.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
But three thousand, six hundred and ninety five, So that's
a huge difference. Yeah, Yeah, And again like B Mitch
played longer, but like to the longevity and then this
number is diabolical.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
This is a diabolical number. This is how you know
somebody ain't looking at the pays. Like to look at
the future, you gotta looking to pay.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
So kick off for turned yards fourteen thousand, fourteen thousand.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I ain't got fourteen thousand, none.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
No, but Devin Hester has seven thousand, three hundred and
thirty three.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
That's double, that's double the amount of So how could
you fix your map and say let's put him in.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Insteady And also like so to give a little Yeah,
Devin deserves it, I mean. And the thing about he
and I talked, and I remember they were playing you
all one year and I had always said, like, I
would love to I would love to talk to the guys.
I'm off of my service, and nobody ever called me.
So Devin called me, I'm going to be paying against me.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
What thirteen When he ran that pump back, he.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Returned against him. So he was like, and I just so,
I said, dude, you sometimes you hesitate. Just hit that thing,
you know, And he ended up scoring a textdown. I
think it was if you got mad at me forgiving him,
if everybody else.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Is because they broke the record, that game, and so
I remember I was in there. I was on pumper team.
I was playing right guard, got hammed up a little bit,
broke out of there. I was running up there and
I was like, oh man, I'm about to stop this thing.
But there's a caravan of dudes coming, and I'm like, okay,
I'm going to.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Be the hero. I'm gonna be on Sports Center. Everyone's
watching his return.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I'll tell you some dude came and blasted me right
in the face like I had hit the ground.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
He was by me.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I'm looking like this touchdown, Devin Huster. I'm about Sports
Center for like the next three weeks getting my.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
You know what. But I will say, like, so the
thing about.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Devin that again the numbers here be are insane, insane
all purpose yards, you know, twenty three thousand more yards.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
I just think think I gave you a example earlier.
Everybody is not Bear, Saydas everybody not Devin. Well, yeah,
that's a different way. That's what I was going to say.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I think people remember Devin Hester in that two thousand
and ten to twenty and thirteen range where he was
like everyone was terrified of him.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Nobody would kick him the bomb. Yeah, no one will
kick him the ball. And I think that kind of
had some energy and like they wouldn't kick you to me,
I I want to ask you about that. That's what
I say. I want to on the games and they
will play keep away.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I don't remember, because like, did you have that same
level of impact.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
I would go into games and my coach would always say, well,
just be patient today because they know, like we played
Chris Moore, Chris Moore will kick that ball forty for you,
forty three yards, have about a four point seven to
five second and you're going to fair cattish and every
once in a while, guy was shaking.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I remember it's a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
I said that I scored most of my touchdowns in
the white jersey and the one that to come back to,
I scored the one in the red jersey where we're
playing against the Eagles. And I had read I had
studied that punt of so much. I knew where he
was trying to kick. But he would try to like
sit a little bit, then he'll move to try to
set you up. No, no, I was left for the
guy and I forgot his name something, and he he
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would yeah, but like I always studied him to know
where they're kicking. So what I would do, I would
go line up right where they trying to kick before
the ball is even snapped, so then they would try
to adjust. So I kept doing it to him. I
was running around and he shanked it because they had
kicked away from it, kicked out of bound and it bounced.
I caught him on the run, cut back across and scored,
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and he got in trouble. He got in trouble and
especially got fired. So I had fun in putting on people.
I bet you did.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
But like again, like I think that's the thing that
that sweet was talking about earlier, we talked about it.
Ten was talking about with the old guys, like there's
the immediacy of Devin Hester, like Devin Hester mania.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
He's in your face, you know. And then but like.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I don't I'm not familiar with I see the numbers,
but like there's something different about when you're lying up
against the guy and you feel your heart in your
chest and to know that you were doing that to
people as the And I think the other thing that's
crazy to me is you were the first guy to
do it.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah, you're the first guy to weaponize it.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
And so I always think guys that are special, So
obviously Devin Hester is definitely the first guy to do
it that is special, Like, how do we not?
Speaker 5 (23:39):
I think also the homage to look I also believe
too it is which I'm I tipped my head off
to Devon for doing He acknowledged it.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
He acknowledged that. Look, y'all ain't get it.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Wrong, but y'all forgot a guy who you know what
I'm saying. And I think that's one of the things
that we failed to realize what happened for Devon. I
don't know how many times I watch NFL Network and
all Dion Sanders talking about Devin Hester should be wearing
a yellow jacket. So when you have people petitioning for you,
and then now those folks like you, say, the ones
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who probably looking over it, they go back and say, oh,
you're right.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
This guy just left the lead. This guy's up for it.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
I think that gave him that favorable push, which now
you see us, you know, as an organization that's saying, hey,
let's get behind our guys, get behind the Georgia Kobe's,
let's get behind the Brian Mitchell.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Let's make sure we petitioning and.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Speak about these guys who's deserving because if the masters
is going to forget about him when we're not, we're
gonna push it so they can make make sure that
they hear us or go back in.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
And I watch looking at them.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Monk leave this game as the all time leading yards
and reception guy.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
That's crazy. And then it took forever forever for him
to get in. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
When I left the game, I was the all time
leader in total offense, touchdowns, perpetory, all of.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Devin didn't break anybody else's ready. Yeah, and I think.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
People like it's like only the record that he break again,
just a touchdown record, only one thing. What I'm saying
he broke. He booked stuff that was set. And I
think when people see that, you know, because I'd like
to look on social media, people start naming return guys,
and it always be somebody from watching and say, well
what about Brian Mitchell and the guy like who look
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up the stats?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Did they when the guy people come back and damn,
I didn't know he did all that. Wow, there's a
reason for that.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Social media wasn't around, No, No, it wasn't you know,
and That's another thing. A lot of people got to
play under social media where you can have one touchdown
and he's gonna see it.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Sell, he gonna think about it after you did it.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
It made it.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
And you're right because the Hall of Fame they act
like it ain't but two sides of the ball, offense
and defense.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
But when I came in the league, Dunteate Hall, nobody
wanted to kick the ball to durn Tate Hall like
he was changing games through special teams.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
And then it was a signature do it then?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
So how could you not put the dude in the
Hall of Fame who started the signature, That's what I'm saying.
So it's like everybody else kind of got the love
for what you started, and nobody showing love back.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
See, I think like I'll take it a step for
all the like the return game was, that was my
calling call.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
It got me into the league.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
But every time he allowed me to run the ball,
come off the backfield, no lineback could check me. I
was just about to get the average that was I
think my yardist yards per average.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
You know it's it's it's cool I got you right here.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
You and Dave Man you and Dave Man, y'all, they
were specialist.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I'm a return and on third.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Down, I'm going to burst somebody, Like you're just looking
at some of these like numbers as you as a
running back, and Devin Hester was he little played a
little receiver, but predominantly a return man. Yeah, you had
two and ninety nine yards rushing, thirteen touchdowns, and you
average five point one yards of carry. Five point one
yards per carry is a crazy number in any era.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Right. Career receiving stats, two hundred and seventy four receptions,
that's way more than game. But b Mitch doesn't care
about me.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
And eighty one yards, four touchdowns everything, nine point two
yards of reception back when like a scatback was kind
of a new thing.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And like I told you, the group that starting they
would they would have group.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And then you know, just a little cherry on top
one hundred and sixty eight yards passing in a touchdown,
playing quarterback in.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
The body back game. Yeah, yeah, we need you. And
so this is something I'm going to nerd out here
for a second.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Like I like football. I love football. We're here talking
about football all the time. I love football players, and
what I mean by that, I love dudes that are tough,
competitive and can do anything.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
You know, it's a dead thing now, it's a dead
it's not a real thing.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
And so I feel like when I look at me, like,
it's a dude that encapsulates football, and what's the Hall
of Fame is supposed to be football players.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Football players, not that I'm good, but it's also a
little good.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
I also believe too when you look at the Hall
of Fame, and this is not throwing nothing on them,
because I think, no, I know, I get salty because
it's guys that I watched, like a.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
B Mitch, like I told you, like Joji, Jimmy Smith
and those guys.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Like when I see and like I said, this is
no offense because any guy who's in there is deserving.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, hats off to you because it's hard. But because
he's in there, this makes me think this guy should
be there even more. And I go back to the
Steel Curtain.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
I didn't watch those guys, but I watched receivers, so
I knew the star Wars. I knew the Lynx one
and Linz one showed up in every Super Bowl game
with the biggest catch.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
The Star war had the yards. I'm like, and he
was the number one receiver.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
How do I go to the to the to the
number two receiver and put him in before I put
the number one in the number one took forever to
get in.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
So that's my argument. It would always be argument.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Look, I understand those guys all are deserving, but I'll
be confirmed. I'm scratching my head because be missed. I'm
scratching my head the Jimmy Smith. I'm sketching my hand
because you know, a guy like Fletch. I'm scratching my
head like Tory Holt, Reggy Wings.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
All these guys are get in there. But how do
you wait so long when it's proven?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
The flap I think is people look for They say
signature plays because they said Art Monk.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
They say, what was Art signs you play? I say,
he went on.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Eighteen yards and run that, comeback and get the first
sound every time you need to get That was the
signature play.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Like when I would show up in games.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
I don't know if the cameras out there that early,
but I got in the fights and scuffle every preseason.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
That was my signature. You know why? When I was
messing by his mind up. Okay, I would. I would.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
I had coaches come and talk and trash me, and
I would mess their minds up because all I listen,
if I got you worried about.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Me, You're gonna screw up something something else, you know.
And the whole thing of it is, first time I
returned to kick, I ran a touchdown, you know, So
you see got the same thing coming.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
I just but like the body back and you have
mentioned that logan. That was the scariest day and one
of the happiest days of my life. I just watched
nine people get hurt, crazy and backing up those people.
I'm backing up two quarterbacks, two running backs, and two
return guys.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Five of those dudes got hurt. YEA, So I played kick.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
I played part return, kick return, quarterback and running back
in that game. When I got the game, all I
can remember is I'm I had told my friends, I
bet people five dollar tend I'm gonna play quarterback in
the NFL Monday Night Football.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I'm telling up my money.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
But when Coach Gibbs came to me and say you're in,
I'm like running back and say no, quarterback, I'm.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Like, what did you do? Any of the place. Yeah,
they had given me.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
They gave me a little package that week because I
think Stam was already a little nick the rip was
hurt and rutledsh was there, Jeff Rulich. And that's why
when I went to when I got to Philly, they
were like, we're gonna give it back. I said, don't
give me a package. I say, I got a bad
omen about that. When if you give me a package,
I play the game. They didn't give me one. Donaldan
got hurt Koit Deptman got hurt early in the game,
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and then a j Philly he got banged up and it.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Took forever to get off the ground.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
I'm like, damn, So I didn't play my last game
of my career in New York Jesse Palmer Carry Collins.
They gave me a package. Both of them got hurt.
I finished the game at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I remember, but I also know this. I was in
weakness the other day and I ran in the jumping
gathers and he.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Said he looking for you. They other day, you see
the cookies. Other day that water.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
I just think the whole thing, and like people asked me,
like do I get upset I'm not that because they
played the game and the people I played against coaches
that prepared to be against me. John Gruden when they
played us in the in the NF James the game,
he said, they're worried about one guy. They kicked the
first one. I went seventy five. They never kicked him
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again in the game. That's respect, Gail Sarah said. Gil
Sarah said, man, Be Mitch could have played in any era,
could have played with us played. When Gail Sarah said it,
that makes you feel good. But like if you if
if you can get something from it, and I want
my kids to understand everyone that you.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Ain't playing all that. I'm like, Daddy did a little something.
People more than little something.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I was gonna say, you said something about signature plays
and like Devin Hester crazy signature plays.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, you'll return against Tampa.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
But what I'm saying is like he was so consistent,
like Fletch was so consistent, Jojia Kobe, He's boring.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
He's boring. That's what I'm saying is when you do
the same, people get border Now you know it.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Just I guess too, what makes you like for a
guy like be Mitch, like be miss nuts.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Not not sweating it, but it bothers me.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
It bothered me for these people like I say, like
and I and and folks ask me all the time
tending hall.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Of Famer note, No, no, I'm not.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
I was able to get ten thousand yards, which was
what's the plateau for you to be considered.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
But I just didn't have that kind of career. So
I'm not tripping. But I did it. I did more
than you had I had. I did more than the
average player at my position, you know did.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
But when it comes to a guy with Hall of
Fame numbers, what's the hold up? Ain't no way, man,
I'm finna sit here and be sitting here like nah, no, no, no,
this is what makes me sick.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Have you talked to anybody about this? You're not being
in like, no, I try not talk people, you know.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I could I have come up last year doing the
Chicago Bear Game.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
The Hall of Fame dude, was there? Hall of Fame dude.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
No, the Hall of Fame dude for the NFL, the
big dude I spent.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yeah, I spent twenty minutes with him.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I spent twenty minutes with him making my case for
b Mitch London, Fletcher and jo Jakobe.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
And I say, it's a damn Shane Hall of Fame.
Speaker 7 (33:55):
That's what I told him, Damn Shane, the guy with
the second yards to Jerry Rights ain't in the Hall
of Fame. Damn shame that the guy with more tackles
than ray Lewis and more game than ray Lewis ain't
in the Hall of.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Can you explain it to me? Do you know what
I hate to He said, you know what?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
We need to look into these things because I said,
y'all forgetting about.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
To pass, Let's stop identifying what b Mission was able
to do as a returner to second and all purpose
jobs behind a wide receiver and just and just acknowledge
it as the guy with the most jos as a returner.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
See, because I mean this, it's a it's a whole
tote of the position.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
And since you already acknowledged one of those guys who
got the most touchdowns, acknowledge the guy with the who
had those touchdowns, that guy you know that had the records.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
So I go to Super Bowl every year, and I
ended up going to I ended up seeing a lot
of guys Tim Brown and Marcus Allen and Eric Dickinson, Kenny.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Lofton, y'all say, man, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I'm like, I'm gonna be in y'all hands eventually, like
Hall of famers are asking the question. You're like, I
remember Tim k I ain't in the golf Turbert one
time and said, dog, I did not know you had
that many yards. Yeah, I'm like, Jim, I just caught
the ball and ran bro it.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Just I was having fun that said. We did old
that we played. I played against him Brown, I played
against jar Rice. Like y'all longevity, y'all had a group, y'all.
Longevity was off the chain, all of y'all.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Man, Like this team here, the team we won the
Super Bowl ninety one. I guarantee you that were at
least fifteen to twenty guys that played fourteen years or more.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
Yeah, I'm surprised when I heard that I played sixteen years.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Feast sixteen, Ernest Biden played sixteen, and Simmons played about thirteen. Jacoby,
Darryl twenty, Ray Brown twenty.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I played with both. Brown played against Darryl. Give us
something in the water back then, Like that's unbelievable. Man. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
And then to kind of piggyback on Tanni's point about
you know you have the most yards, right, So it's
not only that, but it's like you're second in the
NFL all time for playoff for turn yards. Right, you've
got your all time leading kick return yards with fourteen
fourteen thousand yards. Right, all time leading returner with five
thousand yards. I'll give you that extra yard, right, total
return yards, you lead the thing. It's not Devin Hester,
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it's not Cribs, it's not Dante Hall.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
It's yeah, you don't know best. No, I don't know
who that is. That was in Philly always the goo, Yes, Nabody. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
And then second all time and all purpose yards. And
it's crazy to think that the guy ahead of you
is maybe the best football player of all time.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
And Gang on that point and got him a couple
of passes at the Pro Bowl. Did you really? Yeah?
He was like, man, no, want to throw balls?
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Man?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
You and Jerry right, thank you throwing some football football.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
So after about twenty five minutes, I like Jerry, I
am on vacation down. So do the running full speed
routes after practice the Pro Bow.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yes, at the Pro Bowl. Nobody supposed to be taking
here my time. He running around. Oh yes, indeed.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
So back to signature plays. Do you have a favorite
play in your career?
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Favorite?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Maybe two or three plays you're like, man, this is
these are the ones I want to be known for.
And maybe it's a tackle like that's before you run.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
You ran somebody over, hit the sideline.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
I never forget that first punt return for a touchdown.
We were in nineteen ninety one, first game of the season,
playing against the Detroit Lions. I get the punt and
it's a it's a do it number ninety seven, big boy,
I hate him, ran through him when.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
And went to the end zone. Win and win this guy.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
And then I'll say I always tell people my signature
return is the first time I ever returned to kick off.
It was a preseason game, and all I remember Wayne
Severe saying, you got.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
To get through the hole before it closed.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
And I caught the ball and I saw a hole
and I ran so damn fast. When that whole closed,
I was probably at the fifty and I went to
the end zone. I came to the sideline and Charles
Man said, oh, you just made the football team, and
I went to smile and Walliamstonville said, you haven't done.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
You don't kick off coming, you better the tackle, better
get back out.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I went on kickoff covering.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
I was on the tackle and then he came gave
me that after that, and I kind of felt at
that Mama like, Okay, well you're sure what you could do?
Because I was going to Canada because I thought return
guys were absolutely crazy stupid. If I got hit and
knocked out, I was going to Canada and play quarterback.
I had a been already off of the contract to
go to Canada for the Saskatchewan rough Riders.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah. Did uh?
Speaker 3 (38:34):
In that Detroit game, did Mayor Great return a point
like fifty yards or something?
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Now they lost forty five nothing that game? I thought
he had broke one of those than that game. We
beat him. We beat him. We played him twice that year.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
We played him twice that year, We beat him eighty
six to ten.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Why did y'all play Detroit so much at this time?
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Because they were in the playoffs and we beat him
forty one ten in the play when they had buried
in So yeah, yeah, I remember they said, well he joyce.
They didn't have Barry Smith, Barry Sanders. Last time I
say he not forty five points good.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
He's good.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
We met and something else that came up when we
were talking in the production meeting is like the fact
that you mentioned in the story there, like you're returning
kicks and so now returners like you return like you
don't do anything else. It's like you return to punt,
return to kick, you go sit on the bench, have
some water when it's your turnment you covered kicks. Yeah,
so you played putt return, kickoff, you know, punt coverage,
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kickoff coverage.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Eight total tack because I had that in one game.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
But congratulations, you know he don't do it, you know,
but will you do it?
Speaker 1 (39:43):
We know for never if he did that?
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Was I felt that the fact that I was able
to cover kicks, it gave me an opportunity to help
my calls.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Did you do that your whole career? You could did
every I was the person protected my whole career. You
were the person protector on punt team your whole career.
Because I know you were coming down and smacking something.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
I hear you, I may run a fake direct snap
to me get on the center, like we had players
when I would get on the center run plays.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I need to stop it.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Man.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
So the more you hear about what he's done, it
makes you that much.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
So mad for non football people, like the personal protector
is like the quarterback of your special team. Yes he is,
He's gonna make the team every year. And so have
your returner also be your PP. Call the protections. They're
the third gunner technically, like go down and be that significant.
I just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
The more I hear about it sounds like you're talking,
we need to get me missed auf this show. I'm
getting pissed off.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
They don't make no you did all it tell me
about the fourteen years that one miss game?
Speaker 1 (40:54):
You only miss one? Yeah, you think what happened? I
think it was the last game of our my rookie season.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Where we were going to the playoffs, and Coach Gibbs,
I practice, this is the It pisses me off so much.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
I practice every.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Day that week, every day, and then in the game
he was like, now we're going to hold you. I
had like a spring ankle and we were playing in
the Silver Dome on that and that's the only game
I missed.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
If I hadn't known that would be the only game.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
But I did run on the field one time because
they needed somebody to go for kick coverage, and.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
He pulled me right off the field. That mercy. So
I missed one, but it was that game was in
my rookie you sidressed, you're still That's not it, he
sued up. Every game, did not play you se every game? Yeah,
that's crazy, dude. I'm like, I'm kind of like, you know,
it's it's funny join joint clue.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
I get to work with Santana and Fred and all
and then like but then you hear about this and
it's like the stuff of legend.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Like if maybe football people don't get it, maybe people understand,
but like the cover kicks can't do all that. To man,
you running back towing, somebody take care of your body.
You need my dog, you know, had none of that, huh.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
I started doing acupuncture and massage and chiropractor work when
I got to Philly, So I was in all these
years here and then I never even you mad about
you land that It was like he said, sure, he say, baby,
I'm gonna tell you this is the way that you
you keep yourself together.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
He said, you've done a good job so far. Who
is your person? You know?
Speaker 5 (42:28):
D C.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I say me, what did you do? Did you just
the ways I stretched my butt off? They were just
cutting out because never been in a cold tub.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
What I said, like Tim Brown was one of you
said brout for years on your life.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
And after I started doing cold tub, bro, you feel
like a new person.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
I thought the devil lived. It was so and that
was my first time getting into colture that with d
Green like see that, don't get in there.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
Yeah. See, I tell you one thing until you have
to have a little luck on your side, because that's
how it was in college. In college, the only thing
that I did for those four years of playing this
broke my jaw. And I told you about that. I
put a player in there and play amidst one game.
But far as far as loyal stremities and like bones
and stuff, I didn't really hurt anything. Then I get
to the pros, I hurt my knee and I feel
(43:26):
like everything just went you know what I mean? Like now,
because no one tells you that, Okay, you hurt this,
but hurt so it's going somewhere else. Something else is
going to compensate, compensate for us, and you have to
make sure everything is lined. No one told me they
think when my knee got a little bit better, all right,
get back out there.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
We want to see you run fast, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 5 (43:45):
So it's like almost a disadvantage to you as an
athlete not to have the right people to be able
to tell you what you need.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
When I was in college, we had a coach named
Brad Rolle.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
He was our strength and he would go to Russia
two three weeks a year and he comes back with
all of these drills and we would have we did
all We did Olympic lifts with power, clean, all that stuff.
And then I came to d C and Dan Roley
was here. Dan Roleiy was the guru of all of
the strength coaches, about five six by one hundred six five,
(44:16):
the strongest guy you want to see in your life.
But he was, like I said, coach man. We got
into an argument and then going got into a wrestling
match because he wanted me.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
To lift weights.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
I said that's too light and he said, hey, you
gonna tell me. I said, coach, that's too light for me.
He's like, you are quarterback telling me, what's light? I said,
He said, what do you think you could lift? I said,
put put three fifteen on the bar and he like,
you won't be able to move it. And I wrapped
it and then he and Ivy gave friends. He's like, well, dude,
what do you lift?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
And I told him my.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
Weights so he would let me come and when nobody
else was here and let me do Olympic with this.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Do you remember because the other guys he didn't want
him to do it because guys get hurt. Do you
remember any of your numbers? Like your squad bench.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Leaving on leaving out of college, My squad was six fifteen,
four thirty five and Paul Clean three eighty five.
Speaker 8 (45:09):
Dogs about to say, boy, and that's why you was
running through people like that makes that stay you build
that you build so much of a basement And it
was like.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Your lieutenants and ligaments must have been crazy shit this
and I was just throwing that three fifteen.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
You know, however, they need me to how much did
you live in the corbine? He ain't do one twenty five?
Speaker 5 (45:35):
I know I did.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
I did twenty five at one time? What I told
him because I ain't doing it to come back. I
needed my private workout of mass some mistaken you wait
out there for one one rep, right, So I get
in there, I do the water rep.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
We ain't even clean. I do the one rep.
Speaker 5 (45:55):
Did.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
I get up and say, y'all ain't come to see
me and live weights. Y'all came to see me.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
Run let's go outside seven. I went there and blaze,
I R. I really believe my brother Darryl. When I
was twelve, Daryl was playing varsity football and I would
(46:22):
go to the gym with him. I started lifting a
little bit, and then I wouldn't do bench press in
college because I remember saying, what's one of the horror
move where they dropped the Yeah?
Speaker 1 (46:33):
No, they dropped it on the next hour.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
Every time I go to business, all I saw so
coach and LEVI I'm like, coach, Yeah, I got my reps.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
And then I got to college and Brad Rode.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
He laid under the bench and he had a towel.
So you're doing like the which called I forgot. You're
doing stress up here. I'm holding the towel and he's
holding it against me. I'm lifting bro. The next day
I could not get out the bink. I couldn't push.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Myself up, and that's something different.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
But then all of a sudden, I started to bench
a little bit. Then I began to lift with the
bigger guys, and then I started lifting more than them. Bro,
you talking about adrenaline rush. Now, I'm trying to embarrass you.
So he would always say who you gonna lift with?
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Today? I say, which which your office alignment? You want
to push? So I lift. Took pride in that, and
they're like, whoa man, how we gonna lift together? Little?
I said the little guy, I say, you got the lightweight.
I got the That was the quarterback. You also got
to be.
Speaker 5 (47:33):
You knew you were't gonna play country made, country born
and made and raised, so you gotta.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Y'all got a yard a little different than there, all
the good stuff. Your chores wasn't just go outside and play.
You had to go outside to do. I had all
kinds of that. I grew up. Bro In My backyard
was a pigs, cows, all kind of you. You had
to work. We worked. Your blue jeans ain't never had
they wouldn't a clean. Well. Sometimes you do this and
(48:03):
I'm like, man, I kind of get why you know
they're not that, but with bemuch, I understand. It's like
I say, it's no reason I told you to dude
that last year.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Like some numbers speak for themself. And I understand guys
being on the fence. This ain't on the fence situation
over the fence. He's sitting there like you're looking at you,
you're looking over this is over looking right at you.
And they clearly do it over and over again. Though
that's just what I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Like, I mean, I understand doing it over again, but
like this is a this is like this resume, Like
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Yeah, thank you. Maybe that's why you're not you can't
be a teacher. That's why you're too qualified for feel like.
Speaker 5 (48:43):
I feel like that with a college football Hall of Fame,
I mean they tell you you have to do this,
do this and this, and then you be like, I
check all these boxes.
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Yeah, what you mean? I was all American the whole time.
And that's another one. Not me.
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He always say he was the first guy to pass
for five dollars for three thousands in the college career. Well,
why is he still sitting them in and I ran
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this conversation.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
We shouldn't have to have this conversation.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
We should not, especially when you talk about somebody that
kind of designed the position of a return man to
bring it to the level.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
That is at and when you talk about God.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
When we talk about return man, you start with the
be mitches at the world, but then you go bicycle Hima,
you go male Gray, you go Josh Cribs, you go
like this dude at the dude to do here metcalm
mecal like it's it's dude that designed this and made
it attractive position. And we're talking about somebody went second
(05:39):
to Jerry, just saying that I should not have to
say should have a yellow jacket?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Second to Jerry Rice in YOURDS? All right? Should I
already have a canary jacket on? Be Mitch a lot?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
And I don't know who told me that, but I
was in awe of you when I heard that you
are second in all purpose arch to Jerry, Right, I.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Mean that is and I believe feet and how many
how many should play.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
The league fourteen fourteen to how many leagues used to
Jerry play leak twenty yees?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
So obviously people he built different. Well, I'm.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Just saying yeah, But you know, one of the things
that always come up to me is just why are
we Why are we sitting here when it comes to
because it's not just not just you know, be mentioned
a lot of playing, Jo Jakobe, like so many guys
that put into work man, and this is supposed to
be the pinnacle for individual players that they reach. Hey,
you reach the pinnacle because you're a Hall of Famer.
(06:33):
Why we got to sit here and kind of promote
them when they've done the work already.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
It's on tape because it's the Hall of the new names.
Like it feels like if your name not new, you
forget about.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
The past, Like how is that? How is that even possible?
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Like for you to like, shouldn't be somebody in house
that's going through a list of guys from whether it
was the sixties, the seventies, eighties to pay like make
sure we get these guys because they should be.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It should be somebody on every level.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
I guess every decade to be there to say, Okay,
I have to make sure that we get the guys.
That's that's due to you know that, just do put
put in the work, put the numbers up.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Should be able to do.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
You think the media got a lot to do with
that because the media regurgitation.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
It is the media.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
The media votes on it, and I think the ultimate
thing sometimes you get media people who rarely follow people
outside of the area.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
You know the truth.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
You can go back and look at the numbers on
different things and you can see who did what. But
there are new people who coming in now who finally
getting that vote. They're not going back and look at stuff.
If you don't come in from you know, young people
on to day. If you don't do it right in
front of them, they don't have a look back, you know.
And I think that's the that's the thing where you know,
I came into the league to be there for my team,
(07:44):
help my team out. I didn't believe in missing game,
missing practices, and I was I was bested to have
a lot of health and when you're going and I
never thought about a Hall of Fame, but at the end.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Of it, when you look at it, you go, damn,
I think.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Enough.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
And then you hear people to try to act like
every coach before every game they stress three phases of
the game. But why is it Martin n Anderson, John Stener,
rude ray guy? And then finally they went outside of
kickers Devin Hester. You know, it's like, is he the
first one?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
The first?
Speaker 4 (08:23):
But like you shouldn't have to compete with the Joe
Montanas if you're a return guy. Because I tell everybody this, listen,
Jared was great, Joe was great. Damn, ma Reno's great.
I bet you they could have done what I did.
They couldn't do what Devin did, you know, And I
think that it's too many times where the m V
(08:44):
Trophy is a quarterback trop Now the hall of Fame
is becoming. If you're not a running back, a quarterback
or a lineman D lineman, you don't normally get a
lot of do you.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Know For those linemen, it's like you gotta be the
best guy of your decade and this is what you
could pay to be the best the best dude at
that position, which is pretty wild. And so you know,
producer Jason said something before we started the show and
he said, you were like the first guy to make
returner like a dangerous thing. Someone you had to you
talked about the three phases. You were the first guy
(09:16):
to make it, so you had to account for the
three phases of it. What was the mentality that led
you to that? You know what I'm saying like is
it's like, hey man, go return kicks and now we
see the value of it.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
That's like a young guy comes on a team like
Jalen Lane, it's so easy to sell that to him.
What was that conversation like and how what made you
attack it with such ferocity? Well?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Being there, I played multiple positions growing up. I played
quarterback in high school, in college when I got to
the league. It was making your mark, you know, and
I was giving a chance to be a return man.
And I remember talking to Mayo Gray one time. He
and I were like, I said, mal, why they don't
give this position a lot of respect? He said, that's
make it sexy. And I think we basically formed a
(09:59):
competition with each other. We would go at it and
see what we can do. And for me, I when
I would be in meeting rooms with Wayne Severe early on,
I saw return guys that were timid. I was coming
in thirty pounds more than they were. The most of
the guys to eighty, I mean one to eighty. Stuffing
like that. I came in my first year. I played
(10:21):
at two or two. Then I started creeping it up
to I played as heavy as two twenty. Really, so
when I caught a punt and I came downhill, they
Kelly or a part returner, I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
A linebacker or a cornerback, I'm gonna feed it to
you death. Now where else to go? You know?
Speaker 4 (10:35):
And I think I began. So I look at it.
I look at like a lot of people like Mail
and Devin. I look at them like Barry Sanders, shifty yeah,
you know, Josh Cribs and all of the time.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Me I was Jerome Bettison.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yeah, downhill, I'm coming downhill, and I think, you know,
you're getting to do it. And then I had never
done it in my life. And then after three years,
you go, okay, well I can do this. And then
after four year and then ten years, you.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Know, I got to Philly.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
When I got the Philly uh with with John, John
began to you know, he would ask me what I
wanted to run, how I wanted to run it. I
basically was designing it because I don't believe in right
return left. I believe in five yards right away. I
catch it and I'm getting up here, you know, I
want to go to a straight line.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
And it was fun like a b gap run. Yeah,
so once I saw a crack, I'm going did like
running the wedge back in the day. Was that how
you guys did you? I never believed in the five
man wedge.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Always like two guys and a running back in between
me and them.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
It was similar to a running.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Play when you got the guard and attackle pulling and
then the fullback going through the gap and you follow him.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I liked it like that. I didn't like.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
That wadge because you know, you running it and a
guy come off that edge, you don't see it caught.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
The reason I bring it up is because I was
in the wedge in college. I was in wedge my
first couple of years in the league, and that that
is like one of the scariest things that I did
in my career. And the fact that you're the guy
behind it and they had dudes that were, you know,
hopped up on Mountain dew coming down there, and then
you played fourteen years and missed the game like it
just speaks to your toughness and physical courage, and especially
(12:19):
if you were returning the football that way you must
have been had you must have had some punishing collisions.
I did did one that you're you remember that. You're like,
oh man, this dude.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Like the ones that people will remember, weren't They weren't hard.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
They just caught me in the right place. I see.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Curtis Buckley caught me right here boom, you know, coming
out he went to I was coming through. The guy's
supposed to block him fail and he caught me. His
shoulder pad hit me. The league wanted to find him.
I was like, no, he didn't hit me with his helmet,
you know. And I try to try to protect him,
and they still find him because, you know, leave when
they decided they want to do something.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
But there were a lot of them. Man. I we
were talking about earlier with LeVar. Yeah, LeVar, we're coming here.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
And he said, because like I was here when LeVar
got drafted, and you know, the like the wear shirt,
keep his shirt off all the time.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I'm like, how you gonna have your shirt off? Man?
You look like you about three months. So I'll mess
with him all the time.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
So he told me, He say, dude, I wanted I
had you zero did he said? And I came in there,
I lowered my head and you hit beast. I was like,
what the hell is that? And I can see the
white of his eyes when I look down. I said, what,
I play it, but I just you know, I loved it, dog.
(13:37):
You know, I played fourteen years, and people will tell
you in my fourteen year I probably was as youthful
and having as much fun as I did my.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
First year Philly running punts back or kickoffs back. And
I'm like, hold on, and what point of career was
you in then? Because you look no different than when
you was we're here. That was year thirteen eleven, twelve thirteen.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, when we were playing against each other.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Yeah, it was like we played on the preseason the
two when I was with the Jets, and I remember you.
I'm like, damn be missed, still over there trying to
It looks no different, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
So well, it looks different than everybody else to ever
do it, in my opinion, because he's got the high
pied shelf.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
It's right now. I want the biggest want, the biggest fans.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
And the biggest help in the ft. Let me ask
you this. You have scored in.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Every way possible as an NFL player, right, you return
the kick, I mean kickoff, return the punt, threw a touchdown,
rush the touchdown, cop a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So the only thing he knew kick a field goal?
So that is the only thing, is it? Do you know?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Because I don't know anybody anybody else.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Card else was called slash. I remember that.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
I remember when that when he came to the league
and it was saying, I say, well, here he runs
the ball, he throw is it okay?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
And it might go out a receiver?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yeah, that's nothing compared to what to what you I
also cover kick covered punts. Yeah, you know, so you
got to have to run, running and attack the way.
It's just like anybody else.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Did you get a special team touched down while tackling
somebody like.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
They fumbled and you picked it up around one. So
that's the only way you had to knocked the ball. Yeah,
the interception probably.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
You said something like earlier you said you've you kept
your approach the same way for fourteen years, Like how
did you do it?
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Man?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Because I always think of like if I told someone
to go run through a door and someone took a
two by four hit me in the head. I could
do it good a couple of times, but.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Then I got to quick. But at some point I'm like, no,
that ain't for me. I had a mindset.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I grew up in a military dad, and my dad
basically challenged us.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Man. You know, I have four brothers, two sisters.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
I'm the youngest, and when I got to start playing football,
I realized you have to be able to know where
you can go. So when I practiced, I pushed myself
to a point when I lift waist, I lift waist.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I didn't want to lift with the running backs.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I wanted to lift with the linebackers to offer some
line of defense line and I would outlift some of them.
So when I got on the football field, I was
telling this to JP one day. I say, you know,
I played chicken with people. He said, what do you
mean you play chicken? I said, I run full speed
at you and see who's gonna shot, and try to
get off the line, because if you just give me
a little bit, I felt I was strong enough, you know,
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to be able to run through somebody, to be able to.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Break a tackle.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
And if you came in there, if every time you
saw me first year you saw me, I'm coming in
lowing the boom on you. If in my fifthy I'm
still doing it, eventually you're gonna say I'm not hitting
him no more.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I remember when I would play against Philly and those
guys would like try to avoid hitting me.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
When I got up there, I reminded him of it, you.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Know, because it's like, look, man, football is an intimidating sport.
It's a intimidation sport, and that's all you got to do.
I wasn't the biggest guy, but when I got in
the weight room and I'll put the three four four
hundred pounds on the bar and put over six hundred
on the squad and do that. People would seeing they're
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gonna do you can't lift that up, Harris. He was
a guy like, man, dude, you're crazy.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Did you have that same mentality and that same will
as a quarterback doing college?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Which is if I was a quarterback, they do.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I wanted to move him to running every time I
talk to him like that way this dude played quarterback
because and.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
When you watch the highlights that you like, if I
show you some highlight, he'll go, be bitch, you work raising.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
If I'm running right now, the gold line is there
at that wall and a guy coming in with a camera.
I leave the ground, famil, I leave ground. I probably
end up in the zone. My dad thought, my dad.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Stuff. He was a raging case. He had that mustache.
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
It just football to me never ever became something other
than the game I played as a kid.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
He just happened to start paying me for it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
And when they started to pay me for it, hell,
I lost my mind. Hell, you know, and that's all
it was.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, that's awesome, man, And so we already mentioned that
Devin Hester was is the only.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
The first returner to get into the Hall of Fame,
which I don't.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, and producer Jason does a great job of research
and stuff for us, and so like, let's just go
through so player, So B Bitch is the first number
I'm gonna read, Devin Hester is the second number. Right,
So games played B Mitch two hundred and twenty three, right,
Devin Hester one hundred and fifty six. So it speaks
to the longevity, right pub return yards basically five thousand
and four.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Hundred and ninety nine yards, right, you can fall for
one more yard. If I'd known, I would have done
that had to be in same So I'm like, Dawn,
why might go back right now? You can find something?
They might find something somewhere.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
And then Devin Hester, who again like I played against
Devin Hester, and I would be in meetings against Devin Hester,
like crying my eyes outlet I got I got a
funny story about.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Devin Hester in a minute.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
But three thousand, six hundred and ninety five, So that's
a huge difference. Yeah, Yeah, And again like B Mitch
played longer, but like to the longevity and then this
number is diabolical.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
This is a diabolical number. This is how you know
somebody ain't looking at the pays. Like to look at
the future, you gotta looking to pay.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
So kick off for turned yards fourteen thousand, fourteen thousand.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I ain't got fourteen thousand, none.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
No, but Devin Hester has seven thousand, three hundred and
thirty three.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
That's double, that's double the amount of So how could
you fix your map and say let's put him in.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Insteady And also like so to give a little Yeah,
Devin deserves it, I mean. And the thing about he
and I talked, and I remember they were playing you
all one year and I had always said, like, I
would love to I would love to talk to the guys.
I'm off of my service, and nobody ever called me.
So Devin called me, I'm going to be paying against me.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
What thirteen When he ran that pump back, he.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Returned against him. So he was like, and I just so,
I said, dude, you sometimes you hesitate. Just hit that thing,
you know, And he ended up scoring a textdown. I
think it was if you got mad at me forgiving him,
if everybody else.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Is because they broke the record, that game, and so
I remember I was in there. I was on pumper team.
I was playing right guard, got hammed up a little bit,
broke out of there. I was running up there and
I was like, oh man, I'm about to stop this thing.
But there's a caravan of dudes coming, and I'm like, okay,
I'm going to.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Be the hero. I'm gonna be on Sports Center. Everyone's
watching his return.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I'll tell you some dude came and blasted me right
in the face like I had hit the ground.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
He was by me.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I'm looking like this touchdown, Devin Huster. I'm about Sports
Center for like the next three weeks getting my.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
You know what. But I will say, like, so the
thing about.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Devin that again the numbers here be are insane, insane
all purpose yards, you know, twenty three thousand more yards.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
I just think think I gave you a example earlier.
Everybody is not Bear, Saydas everybody not Devin. Well, yeah,
that's a different way. That's what I was going to say.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I think people remember Devin Hester in that two thousand
and ten to twenty and thirteen range where he was
like everyone was terrified of him.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Nobody would kick him the bomb. Yeah, no one will
kick him the ball. And I think that kind of
had some energy and like they wouldn't kick you to me,
I I want to ask you about that. That's what
I say. I want to on the games and they
will play keep away.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I don't remember, because like, did you have that same
level of impact.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
I would go into games and my coach would always say, well,
just be patient today because they know, like we played
Chris Moore, Chris Moore will kick that ball forty for you,
forty three yards, have about a four point seven to
five second and you're going to fair cattish and every
once in a while, guy was shaking.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I remember it's a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
I said that I scored most of my touchdowns in
the white jersey and the one that to come back to,
I scored the one in the red jersey where we're
playing against the Eagles. And I had read I had
studied that punt of so much. I knew where he
was trying to kick. But he would try to like
sit a little bit, then he'll move to try to
set you up. No, no, I was left for the
guy and I forgot his name something, and he he
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would yeah, but like I always studied him to know
where they're kicking. So what I would do, I would
go line up right where they trying to kick before
the ball is even snapped, so then they would try
to adjust. So I kept doing it to him. I
was running around and he shanked it because they had
kicked away from it, kicked out of bound and it bounced.
I caught him on the run, cut back across and scored,
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and he got in trouble. He got in trouble and
especially got fired. So I had fun in putting on people.
I bet you did.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
But like again, like I think that's the thing that
that sweet was talking about earlier, we talked about it.
Ten was talking about with the old guys, like there's
the immediacy of Devin Hester, like Devin Hester mania.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
He's in your face, you know. And then but like.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I don't I'm not familiar with I see the numbers,
but like there's something different about when you're lying up
against the guy and you feel your heart in your
chest and to know that you were doing that to
people as the And I think the other thing that's
crazy to me is you were the first guy to
do it.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah, you're the first guy to weaponize it.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
And so I always think guys that are special, So
obviously Devin Hester is definitely the first guy to do
it that is special, Like, how do we not?
Speaker 5 (23:39):
I think also the homage to look I also believe
too it is which I'm I tipped my head off
to Devon for doing He acknowledged it.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
He acknowledged that. Look, y'all ain't get it.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Wrong, but y'all forgot a guy who you know what
I'm saying. And I think that's one of the things
that we failed to realize what happened for Devon. I
don't know how many times I watch NFL Network and
all Dion Sanders talking about Devin Hester should be wearing
a yellow jacket. So when you have people petitioning for you,
and then now those folks like you, say, the ones
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who probably looking over it, they go back and say, oh,
you're right.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
This guy just left the lead. This guy's up for it.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
I think that gave him that favorable push, which now
you see us, you know, as an organization that's saying, hey,
let's get behind our guys, get behind the Georgia Kobe's,
let's get behind the Brian Mitchell.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Let's make sure we petitioning and.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Speak about these guys who's deserving because if the masters
is going to forget about him when we're not, we're
gonna push it so they can make make sure that
they hear us or go back in.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
And I watch looking at them.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Monk leave this game as the all time leading yards
and reception guy.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
That's crazy. And then it took forever forever for him
to get in. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
When I left the game, I was the all time
leader in total offense, touchdowns, perpetory, all of.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Devin didn't break anybody else's ready. Yeah, and I think.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
People like it's like only the record that he break again,
just a touchdown record, only one thing. What I'm saying
he broke. He booked stuff that was set. And I
think when people see that, you know, because I'd like
to look on social media, people start naming return guys,
and it always be somebody from watching and say, well
what about Brian Mitchell and the guy like who look
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up the stats?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Did they when the guy people come back and damn,
I didn't know he did all that. Wow, there's a
reason for that.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Social media wasn't around, No, No, it wasn't you know,
and That's another thing. A lot of people got to
play under social media where you can have one touchdown
and he's gonna see it.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Sell, he gonna think about it after you did it.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
It made it.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
And you're right because the Hall of Fame they act
like it ain't but two sides of the ball, offense
and defense.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
But when I came in the league, Dunteate Hall, nobody
wanted to kick the ball to durn Tate Hall like
he was changing games through special teams.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
And then it was a signature do it then?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
So how could you not put the dude in the
Hall of Fame who started the signature, That's what I'm saying.
So it's like everybody else kind of got the love
for what you started, and nobody showing love back.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
See, I think like I'll take it a step for
all the like the return game was, that was my
calling call.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
It got me into the league.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
But every time he allowed me to run the ball,
come off the backfield, no lineback could check me. I
was just about to get the average that was I
think my yardist yards per average.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
You know it's it's it's cool I got you right here.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
You and Dave Man you and Dave Man, y'all, they
were specialist.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I'm a return and on third.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Down, I'm going to burst somebody, Like you're just looking
at some of these like numbers as you as a
running back, and Devin Hester was he little played a
little receiver, but predominantly a return man. Yeah, you had
two and ninety nine yards rushing, thirteen touchdowns, and you
average five point one yards of carry. Five point one
yards per carry is a crazy number in any era.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Right. Career receiving stats, two hundred and seventy four receptions,
that's way more than game. But b Mitch doesn't care
about me.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
And eighty one yards, four touchdowns everything, nine point two
yards of reception back when like a scatback was kind
of a new thing.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And like I told you, the group that starting they
would they would have group.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And then you know, just a little cherry on top
one hundred and sixty eight yards passing in a touchdown,
playing quarterback in.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
The body back game. Yeah, yeah, we need you. And
so this is something I'm going to nerd out here
for a second.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Like I like football. I love football. We're here talking
about football all the time. I love football players, and
what I mean by that, I love dudes that are tough,
competitive and can do anything.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
You know, it's a dead thing now, it's a dead
it's not a real thing.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
And so I feel like when I look at me, like,
it's a dude that encapsulates football, and what's the Hall
of Fame is supposed to be football players.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Football players, not that I'm good, but it's also a
little good.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
I also believe too when you look at the Hall
of Fame, and this is not throwing nothing on them,
because I think, no, I know, I get salty because
it's guys that I watched, like a.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
B Mitch, like I told you, like Joji, Jimmy Smith
and those guys.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Like when I see and like I said, this is
no offense because any guy who's in there is deserving.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, hats off to you because it's hard. But because
he's in there, this makes me think this guy should
be there even more. And I go back to the
Steel Curtain.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
I didn't watch those guys, but I watched receivers, so
I knew the star Wars. I knew the Lynx one
and Linz one showed up in every Super Bowl game
with the biggest catch.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
The Star war had the yards. I'm like, and he
was the number one receiver.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
How do I go to the to the to the
number two receiver and put him in before I put
the number one in the number one took forever to
get in.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
So that's my argument. It would always be argument.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Look, I understand those guys all are deserving, but I'll
be confirmed. I'm scratching my head because be missed. I'm
scratching my head the Jimmy Smith. I'm sketching my hand
because you know, a guy like Fletch. I'm scratching my
head like Tory Holt, Reggy Wings.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
All these guys are get in there. But how do
you wait so long when it's proven?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
The flap I think is people look for They say
signature plays because they said Art Monk.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
They say, what was Art signs you play? I say,
he went on.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Eighteen yards and run that, comeback and get the first
sound every time you need to get That was the
signature play.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Like when I would show up in games.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
I don't know if the cameras out there that early,
but I got in the fights and scuffle every preseason.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
That was my signature. You know why? When I was
messing by his mind up. Okay, I would. I would.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
I had coaches come and talk and trash me, and
I would mess their minds up because all I listen,
if I got you worried about.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Me, You're gonna screw up something something else, you know.
And the whole thing of it is, first time I
returned to kick, I ran a touchdown, you know, So
you see got the same thing coming.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
I just but like the body back and you have
mentioned that logan. That was the scariest day and one
of the happiest days of my life. I just watched
nine people get hurt, crazy and backing up those people.
I'm backing up two quarterbacks, two running backs, and two
return guys.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Five of those dudes got hurt. YEA, So I played kick.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
I played part return, kick return, quarterback and running back
in that game. When I got the game, all I
can remember is I'm I had told my friends, I
bet people five dollar tend I'm gonna play quarterback in
the NFL Monday Night Football.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I'm telling up my money.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
But when Coach Gibbs came to me and say you're in,
I'm like running back and say no, quarterback, I'm.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Like, what did you do? Any of the place. Yeah,
they had given me.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
They gave me a little package that week because I
think Stam was already a little nick the rip was
hurt and rutledsh was there, Jeff Rulich. And that's why
when I went to when I got to Philly, they
were like, we're gonna give it back. I said, don't
give me a package. I say, I got a bad
omen about that. When if you give me a package,
I play the game. They didn't give me one. Donaldan
got hurt Koit Deptman got hurt early in the game,
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and then a j Philly he got banged up and it.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Took forever to get off the ground.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
I'm like, damn, So I didn't play my last game
of my career in New York Jesse Palmer Carry Collins.
They gave me a package. Both of them got hurt.
I finished the game at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I remember, but I also know this. I was in
weakness the other day and I ran in the jumping
gathers and he.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Said he looking for you. They other day, you see
the cookies. Other day that water.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
I just think the whole thing, and like people asked me,
like do I get upset I'm not that because they
played the game and the people I played against coaches
that prepared to be against me. John Gruden when they
played us in the in the NF James the game,
he said, they're worried about one guy. They kicked the
first one. I went seventy five. They never kicked him
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again in the game. That's respect, Gail Sarah said. Gil
Sarah said, man, Be Mitch could have played in any era,
could have played with us played. When Gail Sarah said it,
that makes you feel good. But like if you if
if you can get something from it, and I want
my kids to understand everyone that you.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Ain't playing all that. I'm like, Daddy did a little something.
People more than little something.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I was gonna say, you said something about signature plays
and like Devin Hester crazy signature plays.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, you'll return against Tampa.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
But what I'm saying is like he was so consistent,
like Fletch was so consistent, Jojia Kobe, He's boring.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
He's boring. That's what I'm saying is when you do
the same, people get border Now you know it.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Just I guess too, what makes you like for a
guy like be Mitch, like be miss nuts.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Not not sweating it, but it bothers me.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
It bothered me for these people like I say, like
and I and and folks ask me all the time
tending hall.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Of Famer note, No, no, I'm not.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
I was able to get ten thousand yards, which was
what's the plateau for you to be considered.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
But I just didn't have that kind of career. So
I'm not tripping. But I did it. I did more
than you had I had. I did more than the
average player at my position, you know did.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
But when it comes to a guy with Hall of
Fame numbers, what's the hold up? Ain't no way, man,
I'm finna sit here and be sitting here like nah, no, no, no,
this is what makes me sick.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Have you talked to anybody about this? You're not being
in like, no, I try not talk people, you know.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I could I have come up last year doing the
Chicago Bear Game.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
The Hall of Fame dude, was there? Hall of Fame dude.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
No, the Hall of Fame dude for the NFL, the
big dude I spent.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yeah, I spent twenty minutes with him.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I spent twenty minutes with him making my case for
b Mitch London, Fletcher and jo Jakobe.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
And I say, it's a damn Shane Hall of Fame.
Speaker 7 (33:55):
That's what I told him, Damn Shane, the guy with
the second yards to Jerry Rights ain't in the Hall
of Fame. Damn shame that the guy with more tackles
than ray Lewis and more game than ray Lewis ain't
in the Hall of.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Can you explain it to me? Do you know what
I hate to He said, you know what?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
We need to look into these things because I said,
y'all forgetting about.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
To pass, Let's stop identifying what b Mission was able
to do as a returner to second and all purpose
jobs behind a wide receiver and just and just acknowledge
it as the guy with the most jos as a returner.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
See, because I mean this, it's a it's a whole
tote of the position.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
And since you already acknowledged one of those guys who
got the most touchdowns, acknowledge the guy with the who
had those touchdowns, that guy you know that had the records.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
So I go to Super Bowl every year, and I
ended up going to I ended up seeing a lot
of guys Tim Brown and Marcus Allen and Eric Dickinson, Kenny.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Lofton, y'all say, man, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I'm like, I'm gonna be in y'all hands eventually, like
Hall of famers are asking the question. You're like, I
remember Tim k I ain't in the golf Turbert one
time and said, dog, I did not know you had
that many yards. Yeah, I'm like, Jim, I just caught
the ball and ran bro it.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Just I was having fun that said. We did old
that we played. I played against him Brown, I played
against jar Rice. Like y'all longevity, y'all had a group, y'all.
Longevity was off the chain, all of y'all.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Man, Like this team here, the team we won the
Super Bowl ninety one. I guarantee you that were at
least fifteen to twenty guys that played fourteen years or more.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
Yeah, I'm surprised when I heard that I played sixteen years.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Feast sixteen, Ernest Biden played sixteen, and Simmons played about thirteen. Jacoby,
Darryl twenty, Ray Brown twenty.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I played with both. Brown played against Darryl. Give us
something in the water back then, Like that's unbelievable. Man. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
And then to kind of piggyback on Tanni's point about
you know you have the most yards, right, So it's
not only that, but it's like you're second in the
NFL all time for playoff for turn yards. Right, you've
got your all time leading kick return yards with fourteen
fourteen thousand yards. Right, all time leading returner with five
thousand yards. I'll give you that extra yard, right, total
return yards, you lead the thing. It's not Devin Hester,
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it's not Cribs, it's not Dante Hall.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
It's yeah, you don't know best. No, I don't know
who that is. That was in Philly always the goo, Yes, Nabody. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
And then second all time and all purpose yards. And
it's crazy to think that the guy ahead of you
is maybe the best football player of all time.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
And Gang on that point and got him a couple
of passes at the Pro Bowl. Did you really? Yeah?
He was like, man, no, want to throw balls?
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Man?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
You and Jerry right, thank you throwing some football football.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
So after about twenty five minutes, I like Jerry, I
am on vacation down. So do the running full speed
routes after practice the Pro Bow.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yes, at the Pro Bowl. Nobody supposed to be taking
here my time. He running around. Oh yes, indeed.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
So back to signature plays. Do you have a favorite
play in your career?
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Favorite?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Maybe two or three plays you're like, man, this is
these are the ones I want to be known for.
And maybe it's a tackle like that's before you run.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
You ran somebody over, hit the sideline.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
I never forget that first punt return for a touchdown.
We were in nineteen ninety one, first game of the season,
playing against the Detroit Lions. I get the punt and
it's a it's a do it number ninety seven, big boy,
I hate him, ran through him when.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
And went to the end zone. Win and win this guy.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
And then I'll say I always tell people my signature
return is the first time I ever returned to kick off.
It was a preseason game, and all I remember Wayne
Severe saying, you got.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
To get through the hole before it closed.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
And I caught the ball and I saw a hole
and I ran so damn fast. When that whole closed,
I was probably at the fifty and I went to
the end zone. I came to the sideline and Charles
Man said, oh, you just made the football team, and
I went to smile and Walliamstonville said, you haven't done.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
You don't kick off coming, you better the tackle, better
get back out.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I went on kickoff covering.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
I was on the tackle and then he came gave
me that after that, and I kind of felt at
that Mama like, Okay, well you're sure what you could do?
Because I was going to Canada because I thought return
guys were absolutely crazy stupid. If I got hit and
knocked out, I was going to Canada and play quarterback.
I had a been already off of the contract to
go to Canada for the Saskatchewan rough Riders.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah. Did uh?
Speaker 3 (38:34):
In that Detroit game, did Mayor Great return a point
like fifty yards or something?
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Now they lost forty five nothing that game? I thought
he had broke one of those than that game. We
beat him. We beat him. We played him twice that year.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
We played him twice that year, We beat him eighty
six to ten.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Why did y'all play Detroit so much at this time?
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Because they were in the playoffs and we beat him
forty one ten in the play when they had buried
in So yeah, yeah, I remember they said, well he joyce.
They didn't have Barry Smith, Barry Sanders. Last time I
say he not forty five points good.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
He's good.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
We met and something else that came up when we
were talking in the production meeting is like the fact
that you mentioned in the story there, like you're returning
kicks and so now returners like you return like you
don't do anything else. It's like you return to punt,
return to kick, you go sit on the bench, have
some water when it's your turnment you covered kicks. Yeah,
so you played putt return, kickoff, you know, punt coverage,
(39:30):
kickoff coverage.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Eight total tack because I had that in one game.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
But congratulations, you know he don't do it, you know,
but will you do it?
Speaker 1 (39:43):
We know for never if he did that?
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Was I felt that the fact that I was able
to cover kicks, it gave me an opportunity to help
my calls.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Did you do that your whole career? You could did
every I was the person protected my whole career. You
were the person protector on punt team your whole career.
Because I know you were coming down and smacking something.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
I hear you, I may run a fake direct snap
to me get on the center, like we had players
when I would get on the center run plays.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I need to stop it.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Man.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
So the more you hear about what he's done, it
makes you that much.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
So mad for non football people, like the personal protector
is like the quarterback of your special team. Yes he is,
He's gonna make the team every year. And so have
your returner also be your PP. Call the protections. They're
the third gunner technically, like go down and be that significant.
I just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
The more I hear about it sounds like you're talking,
we need to get me missed auf this show. I'm
getting pissed off.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
They don't make no you did all it tell me
about the fourteen years that one miss game?
Speaker 1 (40:54):
You only miss one? Yeah, you think what happened? I
think it was the last game of our my rookie season.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Where we were going to the playoffs, and Coach Gibbs,
I practice, this is the It pisses me off so much.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
I practice every.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Day that week, every day, and then in the game
he was like, now we're going to hold you. I
had like a spring ankle and we were playing in
the Silver Dome on that and that's the only game
I missed.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
If I hadn't known that would be the only game.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
But I did run on the field one time because
they needed somebody to go for kick coverage, and.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
He pulled me right off the field. That mercy. So
I missed one, but it was that game was in
my rookie you sidressed, you're still That's not it, he
sued up. Every game, did not play you se every game? Yeah,
that's crazy, dude. I'm like, I'm kind of like, you know,
it's it's funny join joint clue.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
I get to work with Santana and Fred and all
and then like but then you hear about this and
it's like the stuff of legend.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Like if maybe football people don't get it, maybe people understand,
but like the cover kicks can't do all that. To man,
you running back towing, somebody take care of your body.
You need my dog, you know, had none of that, huh.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
I started doing acupuncture and massage and chiropractor work when
I got to Philly, So I was in all these
years here and then I never even you mad about
you land that It was like he said, sure, he say, baby,
I'm gonna tell you this is the way that you
you keep yourself together.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
He said, you've done a good job so far. Who
is your person? You know?
Speaker 5 (42:28):
D C.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I say me, what did you do? Did you just
the ways I stretched my butt off? They were just
cutting out because never been in a cold tub.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
What I said, like Tim Brown was one of you
said brout for years on your life.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
And after I started doing cold tub, bro, you feel
like a new person.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
I thought the devil lived. It was so and that
was my first time getting into colture that with d
Green like see that, don't get in there.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
Yeah. See, I tell you one thing until you have
to have a little luck on your side, because that's
how it was in college. In college, the only thing
that I did for those four years of playing this
broke my jaw. And I told you about that. I
put a player in there and play amidst one game.
But far as far as loyal stremities and like bones
and stuff, I didn't really hurt anything. Then I get
to the pros, I hurt my knee and I feel
(43:26):
like everything just went you know what I mean? Like now,
because no one tells you that, Okay, you hurt this,
but hurt so it's going somewhere else. Something else is
going to compensate, compensate for us, and you have to
make sure everything is lined. No one told me they
think when my knee got a little bit better, all right,
get back out there.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
We want to see you run fast, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 5 (43:45):
So it's like almost a disadvantage to you as an
athlete not to have the right people to be able
to tell you what you need.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
When I was in college, we had a coach named
Brad Rolle.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
He was our strength and he would go to Russia
two three weeks a year and he comes back with
all of these drills and we would have we did
all We did Olympic lifts with power, clean, all that stuff.
And then I came to d C and Dan Roley
was here. Dan Roleiy was the guru of all of
the strength coaches, about five six by one hundred six five,
(44:16):
the strongest guy you want to see in your life.
But he was, like I said, coach man. We got
into an argument and then going got into a wrestling
match because he wanted me.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
To lift weights.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
I said that's too light and he said, hey, you
gonna tell me. I said, coach, that's too light for me.
He's like, you are quarterback telling me, what's light? I said,
He said, what do you think you could lift? I said,
put put three fifteen on the bar and he like,
you won't be able to move it. And I wrapped
it and then he and Ivy gave friends. He's like, well, dude,
what do you lift?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
And I told him my.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
Weights so he would let me come and when nobody
else was here and let me do Olympic with this.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Do you remember because the other guys he didn't want
him to do it because guys get hurt. Do you
remember any of your numbers? Like your squad bench.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Leaving on leaving out of college, My squad was six fifteen,
four thirty five and Paul Clean three eighty five.
Speaker 8 (45:09):
Dogs about to say, boy, and that's why you was
running through people like that makes that stay you build
that you build so much of a basement And it
was like.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Your lieutenants and ligaments must have been crazy shit this
and I was just throwing that three fifteen.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
You know, however, they need me to how much did
you live in the corbine? He ain't do one twenty five?
Speaker 5 (45:35):
I know I did.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
I did twenty five at one time? What I told
him because I ain't doing it to come back. I
needed my private workout of mass some mistaken you wait
out there for one one rep, right, So I get
in there, I do the water rep.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
We ain't even clean. I do the one rep.
Speaker 5 (45:55):
Did.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
I get up and say, y'all ain't come to see
me and live weights. Y'all came to see me.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
Run let's go outside seven. I went there and blaze,
I R. I really believe my brother Darryl. When I
was twelve, Daryl was playing varsity football and I would
(46:22):
go to the gym with him. I started lifting a
little bit, and then I wouldn't do bench press in
college because I remember saying, what's one of the horror
move where they dropped the Yeah?
Speaker 1 (46:33):
No, they dropped it on the next hour.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
Every time I go to business, all I saw so
coach and LEVI I'm like, coach, Yeah, I got my reps.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
And then I got to college and Brad Rode.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
He laid under the bench and he had a towel.
So you're doing like the which called I forgot. You're
doing stress up here. I'm holding the towel and he's
holding it against me. I'm lifting bro. The next day
I could not get out the bink. I couldn't push.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Myself up, and that's something different.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
But then all of a sudden, I started to bench
a little bit. Then I began to lift with the
bigger guys, and then I started lifting more than them. Bro,
you talking about adrenaline rush. Now, I'm trying to embarrass you.
So he would always say who you gonna lift with?
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Today? I say, which which your office alignment? You want
to push? So I lift. Took pride in that, and
they're like, whoa man, how we gonna lift together? Little?
I said the little guy, I say, you got the lightweight.
I got the That was the quarterback. You also got
to be.
Speaker 5 (47:33):
You knew you were't gonna play country made, country born
and made and raised, so you gotta.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Y'all got a yard a little different than there, all
the good stuff. Your chores wasn't just go outside and play.
You had to go outside to do. I had all
kinds of that. I grew up. Bro In My backyard
was a pigs, cows, all kind of you. You had
to work. We worked. Your blue jeans ain't never had
they wouldn't a clean. Well. Sometimes you do this and
(48:03):
I'm like, man, I kind of get why you know
they're not that, but with bemuch, I understand. It's like
I say, it's no reason I told you to dude
that last year.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Like some numbers speak for themself. And I understand guys
being on the fence. This ain't on the fence situation
over the fence. He's sitting there like you're looking at you,
you're looking over this is over looking right at you.
And they clearly do it over and over again. Though
that's just what I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Like, I mean, I understand doing it over again, but
like this is a this is like this resume, Like
if I got this resume, I'm like, you're overqualified.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
Yeah, thank you. Maybe that's why you're not you can't
be a teacher. That's why you're too qualified for feel like.
Speaker 5 (48:43):
I feel like that with a college football Hall of Fame,
I mean they tell you you have to do this,
do this and this, and then you be like, I
check all these boxes.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah, what you mean? I was all American the whole time.
And that's another one. Not me.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
He always say he was the first guy to pass
for five dollars for three thousands in the college career. Well,
why is he still sitting them in and I ran
forty something touchdown the college.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Well, he's over quarter. We don't need to put it in.
I can sell the water. I can sell the wheel
of water, all right, but I can't rely not. Hey,
this seems like an easy sell, that is all. Grandmama
always said. This life is easy. People make it complicated.
Just email this script to you need. You need to
(49:35):
see what happens, views and listeners. I'm getting my shirt.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
I'm getting it made, damn shame, Hall of Fame, and
I'm putting three names on the back of his shirt.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Three names and I put their stats. Yeah, all right,
and I'm a weird that's a good idea like that.
All right, get me shirt, But I think I gonna
do it for today's show. Just remember, vote for the podcast,
vote for the shows. Right.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
We got hard, we got Brian Colbert show, we got Haltals,
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That's this week show. And get a Hall of Fight Pa,
get him here. Saw that one. Check out Hell's Teals. Yeah,
let's give the Hall of Fame as much as let's
give him here. And then that's it.
Speaker 5 (50:17):
Man.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Make sure you vote, make sure you get buy your
tickets here. That's what you do it for today show.
Appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
I'm trying to get big head in there and big
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You haven't seen Jose Kobe, Yeah, Kobe Jojahkvid hands a
huge shooks went.
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