EP505: Nick Jackson - Founded in Gratitude

In this follow-up episode of Conversations with Kris, Nick Jackson returns for a deeper conversation about energy, meditation, and personal evolution. Together, they explore what it means to truly do the work — integrating daily practices, discipline, and awareness into a lifestyle that fuels both spirit and success.

Nick opens up about walking with angels, deciphering light from shadow, and why knowledge without action means nothing. This isn’t just talk — it’s a reminder that true transformation comes from showing up every single day, in every vibration.

Episode Transcript

(00:11):
I am positively Chris pays and you are actively listening to
conversation with Chris. So Nick Jackson Part 2, we got
to talk about some things today,right?
And we got to get down and dirtygritty because everybody loved
your last podcast. And so you had all the comments,
all the likes, all the people, all the love.
So we got to bring you back, man.
We got lots to talk about, right?

(00:32):
I love it. I love it.
Yeah. Ever since you came out, I got
to hang out. Dude, That's a whole different
ball of wax. Yeah, exactly.
Now we know each other. Last time was kind of like, hey
man, let's talk about stuff. Now.
It's like now we're homies, dude.
We went to the Creek and the river together.
We went up to the frigging placetogether.
We experienced so many things together, travelled all the way
down to San Francisco. Just amazing.

(00:55):
It was a great adventure. I'll never, I mean.
From from from Bufo ceremony to check it out, the Willow wind to
playing in the river. Just like oh man, so beautiful.
They're going down and seeing the boys.
It was. A Unicorn, the Unicorn that you
have on your property. I mean, there was just like it
was, it was so healing, man. To be out there and to
experience all of it. I was like, oh, yeah.

(01:19):
And even Apollo, I mean, you know, I should have left him out
there. I think he still has like
remorse issues for leaving. He's a farm.
Farm what? He's I'm like Nick, you see my
ass service dog anywhere. Yeah, he's down here with me,
getting with me so he wouldn't get lost.
OK, cool. Man.

(01:40):
He was so he was so in love withyou, though.
He was like, man, I love this guy.
I want to hang out with him all the time.
You know, that's, that's the problem.
That's why I've got five dogs already.
I'm like, geez, the glutton for punishment, man.
Hey, we can't help but you're solikable.
That's just how it is, right? Hey man, I'll try.
I'll try to be able to. Get down to some questions and
answers. Hey, by the way, did you talk to

(02:01):
Spence? I saw him.
Yesterday and we talked about all kinds of stuff, man.
I did tell him about the podcastand he was like, Yep, we, we
just started ceremony yesterday out at Willowind with Spence.
And he's got a whole crew of amazing people coming in for the

(02:22):
week and just going over all thestuff.
Like he's, we're talking about music venues next spring and
next summer and, and, you know, festivals and stuff up there for
healing and teaching and, and really just getting to be a part
of, of the action, not just hearing about it, seeing it,

(02:43):
being around, you know, engulfedin it and, and, and getting that
vibe and really building that, that place up in Willowind.
So I was stoked, man. They've got, he's got such a
great crew with Eddie and Mikey and, and all of his people, man,
they're just changing. They're changing a lot of stuff.
And it sounds like he was even talking to Sarah about possibly

(03:05):
coming down and doing a week a month at Willowind too.
So they could take up like 3 weeks and man that would be
amazing. You know she's.
She's doing a great things up there and I watched her have two
ceremonies while I was in Canadaand then she booked a place in
Washington state to have I guessthree or four months of of

(03:26):
ceremonies there. And so I would love to see your
book Willow win for that next time.
But. Yeah, that's what it sounds
like. And that's like it's possible.
Yeah, as we all come together and start utilizing the same
space and the same place, Dude, I think Willow in we need to
have like a festival with a concert with yoga, with like all
the regular modalities, plus allthe plant medicine modalities

(03:48):
that are covered under the church and some gardening, some
farming, some agriculture training.
All that a part of a one weekendbazaar that we put on out there
where we put up tents out on theflight line.
We got a concert stage out there.
We'll put it in one of the marijuana fields because that
would be amazing. Hell yeah.

(04:08):
And then we have Bjork Band, my artist, come set everything up
and perform. I've got a international poet
that we can have come up from LAand do poetry.
We've got all the people and allthe talent and all the stuff.
And we could get raise funds forvets to yoga.
Oh, yoga. Funds for vets to yoga and we
could do it with like all these different people who would get a
chance to experience and see what it's like there because

(04:31):
it's magical it's amazing. It's a beautiful and surreal
place that it, it, it literally takes your breath away when
you're standing out there. And I'll never, I'll never
forget that feeling of wow, we're sitting on some pretty
righteous territory right here. Like this is some really good
ground. You know, like honestly, it's a
game changer out there. And so I think people would

(04:52):
come, I think they would tent, Ithink they would set up campers,
they'd set up whatever. We've got all the property for
it. Maybe we got a hanger that we
can use for concert hall. I don't know, I'm thinking.
Yeah, that that's the late nightparty hall, you know, when we
all want to kind of cut loose and you know, yeah.
And that's what I'm saying, like, yeah, man, this thing a
thing, dude, this would be so cool.

(05:13):
Like, I mean, driving into Willow Wind down that little Rd.
and people are lined up as far as the eye can see waiting to
get in Willow. Oh, man.
Willow Wind Festival First annual Willow Wind.
Festival hosted by Nick Jackson.Oh, man.
Hey, yeah, I, I could see the potential, man.

(05:34):
I mean, as you saw, it's a beautiful piece of property.
It's open, open like, for whatever.
And the land layout and everything is just perfect for
camping, for festivals. You know, it's 100 acres, all
certified organic. You know, soon enough, next time
we will have the airstrip up andgoing.

(05:55):
That'll add a little fun, you know, and, and you know, getting
to getting to jump. Next time you come, we'll go
jump off Wood Rat Mountain and paraglide into into the
vineyard. That'd be epic too man.
Yeah, that should be done right away.
I'm I'm thinking some some cactus and some paragliding into

(06:15):
the property would be on the next level stuff right there.
I mean, we'd be on a whole new level.
Yeah, we can do that. Yeah.
Yeah. So, so it's on man, there's
endless opportunities and, and we're just doing our best to
grow and evolve as the times arecoming and, and you know, like,

(06:35):
you know, bringing, bringing people in to partner up with, to
team up with. You can't, you can't, can't
build something of this size andmagnitude without a pretty
awesome team of amazing people, you know, and that's what we're
gathering right now. And as you saw coming over and
you're part of the that team and, and it's, it's just like,

(06:56):
man, it's going to take a lot ofus.
But I, I feel really secure and I have faith in the fact that
it's going to come out. Yeah, I do see.
I have no doubt. I mean, after being there and
experiencing it and you for the time that we were together, I
have no doubt that this is the place where it needs to be
happening. And it needs to be Ground Zero
for all things good in the world.

(07:17):
So we can actually have, and realistically, we need to have
something that brings us all together in one place at least
once a year just for our own growth.
Insanity. Like we are meant to be around
each other and it's easy to let time slip by and stay separated,
but united is where we become strong.
So this would be a recharge for us.

(07:38):
But also let's invite anyone who'd like to come and join it
that wants to be a part of it. And we play, we sponsor it by
Vets Yoga. So therefore it's all run
through a non profit. We will put the app together so
they can keep track and how theycan find out more about the
festival on the app and that will bring people to the app
which will get us more continuity through that.
We start doing training sessionson how to grow stuff out at the

(07:58):
property. I'll start doing breath work and
seminars for yoga and we'll start offering certifications.
Obviously, you're getting certified.
I need you to be a certified yoga instructor for sure.
So we're going to get Nick Jackson on the yoga train.
But you're going to be the man. You're going to be rocking it,
slinging some yoga, slinging some yoga.
That'll be freaking awesome. But I think it's a great idea.

(08:20):
I know we got all the resources and tools we need to make it
happen, but then we bring everybody out there and bite.
Some people we don't know who also have their own things that
we'd like to get to know. They get to see the property,
Perhaps they see potential also.Now you're booked all year
except for the one month that weneed for the festival.
Will. Exactly, exactly dude.

(08:41):
It's just. Wrong.
What I'm trying to do is I think, you know, even with
Spencer and Iboga Rebirth Church, those guys and Sarah, I
think they'll end up taking about 3 weeks a month.
And then we'll have a week, a month, you know, throughout the
whole year to plan those kind ofthings to where it covers, you
know, everything that needs to be done at the property

(09:03):
financially and then gives us that week to play and bring
people in. I, I really, I, I, I keep seeing
this vision of like seeing that whole property full of people
just meditating, you know, and breathing and like how the power
would be and the energy coming off of that would just be so
incredible, Chris. And so it's like, man, and I

(09:26):
could see it, man, you build it,they will come.
And, and we're, we're building it.
And now we're just needing everybody to start coming in and
in those people that, you know, have these different tools and
and awarenesses to be able to come in and help guide it into
the landing spot. I think we got that dude.
I've got some people that are literally going to be perfect to
fill in the gaps that we need filled in to handle the things

(09:49):
we need handled. All we got to do is
conceptualize, keep setting the intention and make it happen.
And I think we got this, dude. I think we could put together
maybe one of the coolest festivals we've ever been and
like people are going to be drawn to it because of the
people that are there that are legitimately healers and people
who love on people and people who just want to help the rest
of the world. But I think if we get enough of

(10:10):
us together, I mean, look at howhow much stronger we were
together than we are this far apart, just the two of us.
And then on top of it, Juan was there, which, you know, I mean,
just added two more. And then there's a whole group
of amazing humans that were attending.
I mean, it just kept getting better and better.
But imagine 2000 people out there.

(10:30):
Oh dude, the energy just be off the charts.
Dude, yeah, meditation during the mornings, then we have plant
medicine, healing ceremonies throughout the weekend, music at
night, live music, concert hall,dance hall.
We have all the things. Dude.
It's freaking. That would be that would be next
level. I mean, we're talking like, you
know, Coachella, but Burning Man, but way better and cleaner

(10:55):
and nicer and healthier. But I don't know, it'd be a
rocket concert too. I mean, we've got some good
artists that we know, plus localtalent.
Psycho, some out some, I mean, dude, we got freaking David up
there. We got, I mean, there's all
these great guys and people and everybody's willing to fly in.
So such a nice airport and so big.
Yeah, yeah, Medina airport is amazing.

(11:18):
Yeah, man. So I mean.
It's it's all in the works. We can feel it.
For people out there. Yeah.
Dude, we want the kombucha lady for sure.
Oh man, the kombucha lady, she'dbe out there.
You know Eric and and his wife with the the honey they're going
to be putting out. The bee honey.
Here. That's amazing.
What was the tree called? The Matt, Matt, Mark, Mark,

(11:41):
Margrave Mark what is it called?The tree that has the that they
make the. Whole the madrone, the madrone
trees, Yeah, the seasonal madrone.
Honey is off the chain, man. So, yeah, you know, we haven't,
we haven't done the conscious collaborators network out there,
but we were having, you know, once a month for a night, having

(12:03):
all the local businesses come out, talk about, you know,
things that they've got going onnew, new ideas and just
networking with other local businesses to help provide, you
know, extended network and and resources and, you know, even
just energy and ideas. It's so huge because you know,

(12:24):
you get caught up in your own, in your own, your own path and
there's so many ways to branch out and really, really see a lot
more than just our one little focus.
And I'm not saying everybody hasthis little focus because it's
big in our own mind, but to haveus come together.
You saw it, man. I mean, just like you said, our

(12:44):
little time, you know, you got to come over for a week.
We, we were in Oregon, California and got to, you know,
it was, it was incredible, dude.You know, just see everybody
and, and feel that vibe. I mean, shit, it's off the
chain. Yeah, I agree, bro.
It was amazing. And I love that we have a town
called Weed. Stop there.

(13:06):
Yeah. I mean, I'll never forget.
I mean the water from the, you know, the glaciers and the.
Dude, the metal shots to headwaters was off the chain.
Dude, you could taste the difference.
And I was just, you know, reading about all this dead
water and all this and, and it'sjust that conscious stuff that
we're sitting in the middle of, you know, from energetic to
food, organic, non-GMO food to, you know, plant based medicine.

(13:30):
Let's. Talk about that too for a
minute. Let's talk about organic versus
non-GMO. I know that a lot of people out
there have a lot of questions about that.
And as an organic farmer who truly practices organic farming,
let's talk about what that meansbecause I think there's a lot of
misinformation, we'll call it, since that seems to be a term
these days about non-GMO organic, certified organic and

(13:54):
then GMO. And then there's what USI mean,
they have like all these different kind of organic
things, but tell me what it is to be truly organic when you
grow your produce and your day-to-day things.
Yeah. So I mean, you know, GMO is a
genetically modified Organism. And so you, you've, what you're

(14:16):
doing is you're taking things and crossing them, splicing
them, that kind of crisper kind of thing, which, you know, I
think that beautiful things havebeen created that way.
Not that they're organic, you know, but at the same time then
they get, they get kind of caught into this organic
farming. Like the seedless watermelon.
You know, there's no such thing as a seedless watermelon.

(14:38):
Fruit is meant to be seeded. It's, that's how it reproduces
itself from that one seed. I would, you know, like Goinka
says that at the pasta, this oneseed can grow you millions of
fruits, you know, if you're patient and you and you wait for
it. So I mean, the big thing about
organic crisps is, is really putting stuff into your foods.

(14:58):
It's not going to have repercussions on the back end.
And, you know, back in World War2, they made a bunch of, of
chemical weapons and, and had them leftover and then decided
to, to start playing with it in our food and our agriculture.
And, you know, our, our, our parents and our grandparents

(15:20):
have seen the repercussions of this from Parkinson's to
Alzheimer's to cancers to, to different things like that,
because these chemicals were putinto our food to use as
fertilizers. And yeah, they made them grow.
But there was also things where that, that plant holds on to
those things. And of course, it's bringing in
the water, it's bringing this fertilizer, it's putting it into

(15:40):
the fruit, the vegetables, whatever foods you're, you're
producing, you know, even into the meats and stuff like that,
you've got to feed that stuff good because you put in that in
your body. And so it's that full circle
chain. And So what we've really tried
to do is, is focus on all the plant medicine being grown
consciously, organically. I do a lot of living beds at my

(16:03):
place. As you saw the cactus up here,
the different plant plant medicines that we produce, we
really want to focus on that because those plants are taking
everything out of your substrate, out of your earth and
then putting it into the plant, helping it grow and then putting
it into the fruit for you to enjoy with all these vitamins
and minerals. And if you're doing this with

(16:25):
chemicals or conventional fertilizers, who find that
there's a lot of things that canbe left behind and then you're
getting heavy metals, you're getting these different, you
know, things that stay in these fruits that you're ingesting and
then go into your bloodstream. And, and I don't think that they
are the healthiest thing. And, you know, I'm going off of
what I know and, and what I feel.

(16:47):
But when I have an organic appleand then a non organic apple, I
feel like I could taste the difference if it's placebo or
not. And the mind is the most.
Powerful. Thing Exactly.
I eat a lot of apples and not only organic, but I mean, you
brought up a great point too. I mean, listen, there's no such
thing as a seedless watermelon. But do we even do you know the

(17:10):
benefits of what watermelon seeds do for your body?
Oh, they're amazing. They have hundreds of health
benefits for our bodies, and that's something that they
subtracted from the freaking produce itself.
Well, at that point, it's no longer a watermelon because the
watermelon has seeds. So what is it?
What is it? It's not a.
Watermelon. It's a GMO.

(17:32):
It's a genetically modified Organism.
Now it's. Just not a real thing.
No, it's a. It's a.
Mandated a lab, right? Yeah, which I mean you can, you
could say that you know, some ofthese man made things are and
there's been benefits, you know,they've they've created
different penicillins out of outof natural things and medicines,
maybe some good medicines. I think that they've bypassed a

(17:54):
lot of these organic things, youknow, from herbs and, and even
your own food. That's your biggest medicine
food, your water and your air, you know, live in, live in a
place that's, you know, we live.You saw, you stayed out here.
It's 40 acres out in the woods, you know, and, and, and the
air's different, man. You can, you don't smell things,

(18:15):
you smell trees, you smell real air and you're breathing in this
stuff. And the water, you know, we have
well water and then we're going collecting water from the
headwaters at Mount Shasta coming out of like a 510
thousand year old glacier. I mean, what can beat that?
You've got all your natural minerals in there.
It's not reverse osmosis, it's not filtered.
It's not, you know, tap water that has chlorine and who knows

(18:39):
what else they put in. Fluoride.
Did you see that? They finally announced and
released that fluoride is a neurotoxin and they emitted as a
neurotoxin. So all the conspiracy theorists
have been running around. I guess fluoride are now
validated, right? We're all like, yeah, we told
you well, and there's different.Kinds of fluoride, you know, you
get fluoride that can be naturally derived through rocks

(19:03):
and stuff like that. In hard water.
It's not at levels that are toxic, yeah.
Then fluoride, that's also a byproduct of the aluminum and
metal industry from what I understand, that then they're
putting into the waters like theMichigan thing and, and probably
who else knows where else. And that, you know, anything

(19:23):
that's coming from a byproduct of something then getting put
into our, our water or our food system, we need to question, you
know, it's, it's man, they as like RFK and some of these
things that have been revealed lately, you know, from food dyes
that have been in our food and our candy that are given to our
kids since the day they come outof freaking, you know, being

(19:46):
able to, to out of the womb, they're just giving these
things, you know, same with now you see every Dang kid that's
holding the phone or an iPad. It's like that is frequency,
that's energy. We've got to like, we got to get
back to the roots, man. And that's where, you know,
doing these things at Willowind and having these educational
festivals where, you know, like minded people are sharing

(20:09):
experiences, sharing knowledge and getting that vibe and and.
And really being able to relax and heal themselves, you know,
because we, we are our masters, you know, mind over matter.
It's, it's one of those things where, you know, meditation and
breathing and, and taking care of yourself.
You can be the ultimate human. You know, you can really take

(20:31):
yourself to another level that health is health is eternal.
And obviously our surroundings play a huge part, don't get me
wrong, but and that's why we have to be conscious of that
too. And I'm not trying to dog
everybody who's in the city trying to make happen what they
want to make happen. But you know, in some point, in
some points, you, you kind of have to look at yourself and go,

(20:53):
hey, man, this experience isn't about making the most money.
It's not about having the biggest house and the nicest
car. It's really about learning what
this land is all about, learningwhat this experience is about,
you know, building, building these, these memories and these
relationships that those are thethings we take with us.

(21:14):
And that's what the land, that'swhat the animals, the people,
all that are on it, you know, SoI, I think that what you're
talking about these festivals and stuff is definitely what we
all want to do. And, and we're building towards.
And you know, we've got like Mark Shays and IA friend of mine
who works with Envision and Art Basel used to be a part of the X

(21:35):
Games. And, you know, all these, this
conscious awareness and, and community that people are
building. It's, it's huge man.
And part of why, you know, the, the House of us, the church
that, you know, I've got invitedinto with Chance and Kaya and
Giancarlo, I feel blessed to do that.
And, and it's giving people products to help change, you

(21:58):
know, not change, evolve their way of living and being.
And you know, hopefully get intoa point where you're just able
to do that internally, you know,breathing, meditation, yoga, you
know, all of these things are just amazing from from Vipassana
to Doctor Joe to, you know, all of these things.

(22:20):
They're self helping, man. We need to really be on that.
And I'm glad to see it get more awareness. 100% and that's
because of us having conversations like this.
I mean, that's where it all begins, as people coming
together and actually having theconversation that nobody wants
to talk about. And to me, it's I've been around
the world, so I've traveled to many countries, right?

(22:41):
Most countries you go to eat food and your waste products are
very minimal because it's actually real food.
And then when you come back to the States, it's not that way
and you have these larger huger portions, but they're not real
food. So your body doesn't stores it

(23:02):
as fat or you have tons of wasteor both.
But in the process, your body's being crushed by a genetically
modified. You know, to say the word
genetically modified and in front of something you're going
to eat sounds terrible to me. And I'm not saying that it's,
yeah, it's clearly not working. It's not coming from the Earth.
How's it happening to transfer minerals?

(23:24):
Yeah, I don't hear healthy and genetically modified.
I don't either. I don't think I like, that's not
food. That's something that somebody
made in the lab, which I don't want to put in my body.
And that's my right, I think, asa free American, right?
Yeah, man. And so, and that goes with my
medicine too. You know, you, you got to be
conscious when you're making something that's helping

(23:46):
somebody evolve mentally, physically, emotionally,
spiritually. You know, you've got like you've
got cannabis and hemp. Those things bring things up
from the earth and are utilized and then you're spraying them,
fertilizing them. That should be compost.
There should be natural manures,you know, meals and, and you
know, even guanos sometimes, youknow, are, are a little, you've

(24:08):
got to be careful of where you're getting these things
from, from the heavy metals to the surrounding environments
that have a role to play in those things.
But like mushrooms, they suck everything up and then you're
ingesting these, these beautifullittle fruits or putting them
into, you know, chocolates or, or drinks or gummies.
And if you're not doing that consciously and organically,

(24:31):
you're essentially eating a formof poison, you know, and, and
you're trying to evolve yourselfand, and you've got this gift
that you're thinking, oh man, this is magic.
You know, these are medicinal mushrooms.
And and then if they're not grown correctly, how medicinal
are they? You know, right, And that's
where we got to get into that whole thing too, is like, yes,

(24:52):
we're trying to use plant medicine to heal humans, but I
was using real organic plants. Myosilias is a real living thing
that consumes everything on the earth.
Eventually, one day we'll be eaten by myosilias.
One day our bodies will be. I hope so.
They actually have coffins now that are made out of mycelium
and they're they're they, they just dissolve and eat.

(25:13):
They pretty much compost you. Yeah, but you know, there's,
there's so many kinds of, of, ofmycorrhizae and, and fungi that
are decomposers and that's theirnatural process.
You know, mycorrhizae and, and mycelium is the largest living
Organism in this planet. It is, it feeds the Earth.

(25:34):
You know, it takes everything that comes from the earth back
to the Earth and brings it back around.
It's that full cycle. Yeah, exactly.
Creates the circle of life that everybody loves so much but
doesn't want to live by it. So it's like.
Yeah, it's crazy. We just, I think we've gotten
and, and technology is a blessing and a curse.

(25:54):
And, you know, I haven't had TV for a lot of years and my kids
used to, to just, it was challenging and, and it was just
like, man, let's get outside, think for yourself, do art, do
things like that. You know, when you catch some
movies sometimes, but it was just like you really what's,
what's needed is inside you. And, and all this entertainment

(26:15):
is kind of a, a barrage of, of, you know, shock art almost to
get your attention and take you off what's real And, and all of
that's not real. This, this whole, you know, how
many, how many of this, how manyof that?
And it's, it's how much, how much in here, you know, and,

(26:36):
and, and then giving that out toother people and sharing it and,
and helping people evolve and, and taking lessons and, and
knowledge from other people and evolving ourselves.
Let's talk about cactus. You mentioned cactus earlier.
I know there's a number of different cactus medicines out
there that are available for us to be able to use that are

(26:58):
completely organic. Yeah, yeah.
Let's talk about some of those and what they are and what the
options are and what the benefits are.
I've read a lot lately about things like, you know,
microdosing certain cacti to help with PTSD, to help with
Cbis, to help with the things that I have in battle with which

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you saw first hand. And you know, the those like San
Pedro's or are they peyotes or are they, where do we, where
does the cactus medicine begin and where does it end?
Because I know that's a topic that's only getting touched on
right now. And I think there's got to be a
forefront person to bring it out.
And I don't know anybody better than Nick Jackson.
I mean, he knows his cacti. Blessed man.

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Well, I I'll tell you I I reallygot brought into it by a
gentleman, Nathan Tender. He has galactic cactus and
humming bird hearth. They do.
They do ceremonies at Willowindsas well and then at their own
property. But he got me cultivating it and
then we brought it into our living beds.
And he's never really done, you know, he done beds and, and

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stuff like that, but nothing like ours.
And then when he brought him into our greenhouses, because
we've had our beds for 10 years,just feeding them and bringing
them, you know, more life worms and, and things compost and
breakdown to, to feed what's actually in there.
And you put these plants in there.
You know, we did cannabis and hemp in there for years and all
food and flowers. And then once we put the cactus

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in, which is all San Pedro, all different kinds of varietals
and, and crossbreeding of it, natural crossbreeding, you know,
taking the, the, the pollen and the flowers and playing with the
other ones, you know, being the bumblebee, the Hummingbird.
But San Pedro is a big one that we work with.
Peyote is another one that seemsto have a higher, higher amount

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of mescaline in it, where the San Pedro is really mild and
heart opener. I think the peyote goes into a,
a very spiritual realm, which you can get there with San
Pedro, don't get me wrong. But the micro dosing, which I'm
sending you, some of Nathan's, they're called Hums and we're
going to start doing ours. We just harvested our first

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round, did some extraction to beable to put it into chocolates,
some gummies and then little pressed tablets so that people
can really get into a regiment of, you know, calculated and
consistent medicine. That's the big thing, even with
the mushrooms and any of this plant medicine, you know, you

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have all these different genetics, you know, especially
with the the plants, the cactus,they seem to have a lot too,
because we're doing all these hybrids and different things,
but they all have different effects in their medicine.
So we work with the San Pedro a lot from doing the extract to
the ground powder and we make this thing washimi that's just
like a pickled cactus that you eat that you still get this

(29:58):
great effect from. So there's all these different
methods of intake and so the micro dosing, I feel like it's a
natural stimulant. So it can definitely replace
caffeine in that. And it's a mood stimulant as
well to where you just feel likeit opens the heart for me.
It takes the lines off the edgesand or the edges off the lines,

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I should say a little backwards and and then really just it
allows this, this free flow. Obviously you're going to have
all these different situations and, and things that come up in
life that you have to also be present in the moment and hold
that flow because things are trying to knock us off of our

(30:43):
course. If it be small, major or
personal or just people having abad day in our, in our
surroundings, we've got to be able to also process that and
let it pass. It's impermanent, you know, take
it in, observe it. Hey, man, that's not mine.
Let me see if I can help this person, give them a good smile,
say hey, you know, whatever the feeling brings to bring that up.

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But cactus has been something I've been really passionate
about the last few years. The growth of it, the energy
that comes off at Houston in ourgreenhouse, amazing, You know,
the flowers are are are so incredibly beautiful and the
medicine is just I think it's a great thing, you know, as we
talked about to get over that hump, you know, PTSD, all these

(31:31):
different, you know, situations that that we've been encountered
in our life. It really kind of gets you over
the hump. And I think that like anything,
you shouldn't take it besides food and water and, and even
that you should take, you know, fasting breaks and do things
because it's really good for your body.
I think that it's, it's, it's taken as needed.

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And I don't want to have anybodyjust say, oh, I've got to take
this. I've got to take this because
then you become dependent on something.
I think that ultimately the toolis to get you into a place to
where then you can handle your life yourself.
And that's breathing, yoga and meditation.
And you know, that's, that's really utilizing your inner

(32:15):
inner parts and your outer partsto make yourself healthy and to
build a healthy routine, which Imean, that's, that's what our,
our day-to-day life and our jobs.
If I've tried to knock us off of, you know, so to speak.
And, and we have to have that welive in a society where where
money is is needed to, to thrive.

(32:37):
Sometimes in certain situations,you know, I'm, I'm feeling the
hole just dropping into a backpack and living on the PTC
Pacific Crest Trail, you know, for a year and, and things like
that. I think that's really getting
back to our roots of getting into nature because that's where
we come from. We're a part of this.

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We're all a part of that, you know, God molecule that is in
every single thing that is created on this earth.
You know, mine is some of the man made things where we've
we've played, you know, mad scientist and and, you know,
genetically modified things and made things that they never go
away, you know, like plastics and things like that.

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Where, you know, in World War 2,we'll go back to there where
they made all these, these neurotoxins and things like
that. Then they're using them for
fertilizer. You know, we also had hemp back
then, before that, before they outlawed it, which made ropes,
can make plastic, can make clothes, It's biodegradable, you
know, and, and so we've got thismoney grab that came in that is

(33:42):
unconscious and, and really targeted towards not making us
healthy, you know, and I'm not saying that, you know, I, I, I
try to do my best hemp hat, you know, and, and, you know, and,
and, and really pay it forward. I want to practice what I
preach, but at the same time, there's only so much we can do.
I drive a car, you know, I use petroleum.

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I I want to get a a, you know, get into biodiesels.
But there's it's, it's a lot of work and they almost make it
harder. It's just like organic produce.
Why is that? Double conventional produce?
Yeah, it's real cheap because they've got all these old
neurotoxins and chemical fertilizers.
But watermelon but. You know what I mean?

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At the same time, compost isn't that expensive.
To sit there and turn these things.
They've just made it to where everything is healthy.
Seems so overwhelmingly pricey. And that's not fair because
people need good air, good water, good food to be healthy
and happy, you know, or else we're going to be sitting and

(34:47):
spinning in this. Oh, man, how many caffeine shots
can I get today? Oh, man, how much, how much
McDonald's can I eat? And it's like, it's not even
food, man. I don't know how much beef is in
there, but I don't think a lot. And, you know, I mean, that's
why we're eating good beef that we raise, we're eating eggs that
out of our chicken coop, you know, and, and, and flowers,

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they come out of our garden and,and maybe maybe they just smell
better because I think that theyare because they came out of our
garden. But you know what, if that's the
case, then love it, live it. You know, I mean, that should
give you momentum to want to grow your own food, to walk out
there and you know, oh, we're going to make a steak.
Let's go cut some Rosemary and some thyme and sage and, and be

(35:34):
able to season that up ourselvesand some chives.
And, and we know how it's how it's produced.
You know, it's not coming. And a lot of this organic food,
even in our, our markets, you know, they, they give a certain
window to be able to, oh, hey, we're going to put shellac on,
on organic produce that has to be shipped because it protects

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it. And it's like that might not be,
that might be, you know, organicor these waxes and, and oh,
don't worry, don't worry. And, and it's like, no, organic
is shopping at your farmers market.
Organic is grilling it out in your yard and knowing that you
put compost on it and you boughtsome organic fish fertilizer
that you know, or, or, or, or corn fertilizer, which is not a

(36:18):
whole lot of organic corn anymore in this world.
But, but anyhow, you know, it's,it's, it's, it's about taking
that step and being conscious. And we all have, it's being in
the moment to do that because and we're we're surrounded by
convenience. And convenience, unfortunately,
is the killer of your soul, of your body, and possibly of your.
Mind, they say the only thing that Americans are truly afraid

(36:41):
of is inconvenience. Man, that's a powerful
statement. Man, that's a freaking powerful
statement. But you're right there too.
I mean, I've been around talkingto people and witnessing events
and going to to black medicine ceremonies and the same thing
keeps coming up over and over again.
And it's what you touched on. It's changing your lifestyle and

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I'm so grateful that I started with yoga and stayed with yoga
as a lifestyle and as a way of living for as long as I did,
finding plant medicine along theway, healing and using it as a
modality of healing. But I never lost my meditation
practice. I never lost my yoga lifestyle.
I never lost my breath work. I never lost the fundamental

(37:22):
life that I lived by. So I've not had to go back and
see the plant medicine healers as often because I don't really
have to do that major repair overhaul.
You know, my engine doesn't needto be replaced.
I just need an alternator or I just need a touch up here.
And that's where I think the micro dosing and I'm reading
about San Pedro, alkaloid, mescaline.

(37:42):
Well, that just sounds really good for you.
Alkaloid anything alkaline anything is good for you because
the disease can't grow in an alkaline state.
But I mean the the spiritual insights promote self
realization, a deep spiritual connection to nature and the
divine, and a feeling of inner connectionness with the
universe. Well, that sounds like a good
thing to feel. I don't know.

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Emotional proceeding processing helps individuals access and
work through deep seated emotionals and traumas, emotions
and traumas. The experience is often
described as a gentle and heart opening.
OK, why aren't we giving this topeople day in and day out?
This is the kind of stuff we need to have.
Like this is legitimately the answer to all the problems

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combined with a healthy lifestyle.
You know what I mean? Like, what are we talking about
here? We're talking about having some
some plants. That's what we're doing.
This is just plants, right? And you know, honestly,
honestly, it it growing cactus is not illegal.
I mean, they haven't put it on the schedule drug list, which is
absolutely ridiculous. Hopefully they take, you know,
cannabis and they start getting mushrooms and all those things

(38:52):
off of it because because the pharmaceutical companies are
scared of the potential of thesenatural drugs and they can't
patent them, you know, so their money is lost.
Here's the other reason we got to get to this one.
Enhanced awareness promotes heightened state of awareness,
intuition, and introspection. Now there's why it's a problem.

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They don't want everybody to be introspective.
They don't want everybody to have their intuition be in tune.
They don't want everybody to think for themselves.
They want mass crowd control andthat's the way you do it is by
dividing us up and making us distracted by all the things
that they use for distraction purposes so that we don't become
intuitive so that we don't find any trust back.

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So that's where the problem hanging up.
And like you said, they're they're building clients in the
pharmaceutical business. Yeah, pharmaceutical business is
amazing, right? They can do great things to save
lives and to get people out of pain and that kind of stuff.
But also, what's the number 2 killer in America?
Yeah. Medical malpractice.
And heavily addictive, you know,I mean, I've had friends that I

(39:59):
have to go do plant medicine to drop the pharmaceutical medicine
and. You know, there's a big thing
that's, you know, treating and curing, you know, these plants
and all of this earth has been put here for us to be able to
utilize and, and understand how that is and, and, and a lot of
it's through, you know, experimental and experience and,

(40:22):
you know, knowledge passed down.But you know, when they're
feeding us just crap and and this convenient food is has no
minerals and and they're puttingdifferent minerals in it that
don't even our body doesn't evenpick up, you know, as they pass
through, because they're foreignto us.
They're not from food actually, and derived in food.
They're making us weak from the get go, you know, and then our

(40:44):
water, I mean, we're made of so much water.
And you know, and then again, I,you know, go into this Vipassana
thing and then doing all these, these meditations, you know,
our, our atoms that all of our body, everything is made-up of
is 99.9999% energy, energy. And then we have .0001% of

(41:11):
subatomic material, which is matter, I mean, in this atom and
all these atoms create us. If we're not, if we're not good
in energy and we're not surrounded by things that are
helping us thrive, they're only holding us back.
And, and you know, it's hard because a lot of people live in
the city. A lot of people do this, but

(41:32):
they're you go stand on some grass, go out to the country and
touch some trees and get some fresh air.
You know, we have to make time for ourselves to be healthy or
else we can't complain about thethings that are happening to us
if we're not paying attention. That's right.
And there has to be good education systems and there's
got to be good training programsfor people because obviously not

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everybody's going to follow the paths you and I have followed in
our perspective or in our own ways.
But there is a lot of information that people can get
involved in. It's like a day-to-day, it's
just a little something extra tohelp them make a whole lot
better choices all day. And you know, that's, let's say
it's a meditation in the morningusing San Pedro and cannabis.

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Maybe that's just a little 20 minute thing that we put
together. That's a training thing for you
to do in the morning so that it sets your day right.
But I can guarantee you if you use psilocybin and cannabis in
the morning and you meditate for20 minutes, your days are going
to turn out completely different.
And that's all we're asking for is 20 minutes.
Yeah, and I mean the micro dozenthing, you're right, you know,

(42:39):
but at the same time, we have touse those tools for us to
enlighten and grow to where eventually we won't need
anything we need ourselves. And we need to sit there and
like you're saying, you know, stretch out, do some yoga.
I like to do yoga after I meditate because then I can come
out. Usually I try to meditate as

(42:59):
soon as I get up in the morning.I'm kind of in between that
alpha and phase, this stage. And supposedly you're more, you
know, susceptible to changing your mindset subconsciously when
you're kind of in between this and you haven't got your day
going and you're looking at yourphone going, oh shit, what do I
got to do today? Because all of these are
distractions to keep us from being superhuman.

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You know, Doctor Joe says it a lot SN Glenca from pasta.
He says you are your master, youknow, become your master.
Hold that sacred, you know, and and mind over matter.
And I'll tell you what Chris, you know, I talked to you a
little bit about coming out of that 10 day silent retreat.
No phone, no even looking at people, no talking 10 hours a

(43:44):
day, heavy meditation. I mean, I felt like I was doing,
I was on a telepathy level. When I got out of there, I was,
I was on a whole different kick of a natural high and going
through my body really focusing on things that were impermanent.
These are sensations that we feel, you know, from the itch

(44:05):
here. Our body has almost taken over
our mind past the age of 35 and we're running off the
subconscious thing that is just programmed.
And we're beginning to be programmed since the day we come
out of our, our, our parents, you know, our mom's womb.
Hopefully our parents are, you know, helping that.
But a lot of times, you know, and my mom did the best she

(44:28):
could, but it was like, Hey, don't do this, don't cry, don't
show this. And it's like, these are natural
emotions we should embrace, you know, and, and then we're
programmed into school. Oh, you got to do this.
You got to be on this. There's really no time, you
know, and, and time is overratedand the time is now being

(44:48):
present and that's that's there's no, there's no watch for
that, you know, and you know, it's my favorite thing, dude, is
everybody says tomorrow, but there ever is a tomorrow.
It's. Just because every day wake up
is still today. And it's a blessing having this
day, you know, it's such a gift to be present.

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That's why they call it the present.
That's. It man as a gift.
That's it. So.
That's all it is, brother. We got to just make sure people
are present and the more presentthey get, the better off their
lives are going to be and utilizing the things that we
have around us that we can have control over and utilizing
healthy stuff, IE CA peptides. Heck yeah.

(45:34):
I got my little check out my little kit, John hooked me up,
man, I got all the good peptides.
And let me tell you what, the benefits of these amino acids
are amazing. And they come in these easily
packaged perfectly put together little pens.
And then you just unscroll the back and it's like, hey, what

(45:55):
about if this was like San Pedro?
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm not, I'm not
familiar with how much I would want to do, but like, you know,
just the simplicity of the idea of making things like plant
medicine. Because for me, obviously, you
know, yoga, meditation and breath work is, is the most

(46:17):
essential way of life. That's the only way we're ever
going to stay in tune with who we are and know what's right and
wrong, right? Because you can't listen to
yourself if you don't ever stop and listen to yourself.
So what I teach people in meditation is meditation is
taking yourself on a date. Would you ask yourself on a
second date? And almost everyone says no.
Yeah, yeah. It's crazy, man.

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It's, it's hard. It's hard to think that we have
a hard time being in our own head when that's our head, you
know, and that's where that meditation, I could tell you the
first three days of that meditation was torture.
I wanted to run away from the place.
But I'm so glad that I, you know, stuck to it and dedicated
that 10 days for myself. And, and it ripples out to

(47:00):
people around me that that will see the change in just being
able to grab another tool for mytool belt for myself.
And it's free. It's absolutely free.
So what a gift, you know, I mean, there's no, there's no,
oh, I didn't get what I wanted out of this because I paid this
much. And you know, that's where the
plant medicine things. I've I've talked to people and

(47:20):
people are like, whoa, you have a plant medicine retreat.
You're doing this and I'm like, yeah, but let's let's be real
here. You know, we breathe every day.
You know, this is a, an automatic thing that we take for
granted. And just to focus that and pay
attention to that, that's a powerful thing.
Then to meditate, then to take care of your body, do some yoga,

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you know, I mean, geez, these are all free things.
Free. And they're probably some of the
healthiest things, you know, same with planting your food.
I mean, everybody. Oh, I don't have room.
You know, I was unfortunate backin 2012.
I had to, I had to go to prison.I caught somebody in my house
trying to rob me. And ironically, I went to

(48:06):
prison, you know, And so, but what an amazing freaking
experience that really brought me into my head again.
And, and I only had myself. And so it was one of those
things where I made the best of it.
Long story short, they had a piece of ground in there and I
said, hey, can I grow food for the prison?
It would be great, but it helps people.

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I ended up growing almost 7000 lbs on less than an acre of
land. Everything donated, all compost,
you know, meals from my friends,fertilizer companies and, and
just seats these seeds, these tiny little seeds that grow into
these plants that have multiple fruits that produce more seeds

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for more plants, for more fruit.These are it, it, it becomes
free. All it is, is energy exerted
into it. Then you've got, oh, I need to
get water. OK, sweet, you know, let's water
it. That's just energy.
And so all of these things that are really, you know, mean a
lot, they don't cost a lot. It's just the inconvenience of

(49:11):
taking away from, you know, our day-to-day, which people have to
make money to live and they haveto have this, this, you know,
who has this, who has that, which, you know, again, I think
it's it's really being consciousand being in the moment to go,
hey, man, that that's unnecessary.
Yeah, it's fun to drive a Lamborghini.
Like I'd rather give $1,000,000 to a fucking to a food bank.

(49:35):
I'd rather give $1,000,000 to a farm to feed the world, you
know? I mean, I mean, come on, man.
I mean, there's so much money and it's this, this lollygagging
of the horseplay and, and showboating and, and it's not
real, man. We're not taking none of that
with us. What we're taking with us is our

(49:55):
feeling, our memories, our relationships.
Those are the important things. That's where the good stuff
comes from man, inside of us andinside those around us.
And that's why we have to wake up every day and make sure that
we put our best foot forward andcontinue to, to spread the news
and the information that we're talking about now and, and

(50:16):
connect people, man. I mean, there's such a huge
network of people that spider webbed and run through our
country and the other countries of the world that is connected.
We just have to bring it together and make it a whole
thing. And I don't think there's any
better time than now 'cause likeyou were saying, there's a,
there's a desire for people to find a cheaper, healthier way to
live. And there is a cheaper,

(50:36):
healthier way to live. It's called taking care of
yourself, growing your own food.Stop relying on the system.
And that's really when it comes.Out true community community.
I mean, I don't. Know how to grow stuff but my
boy Nick does. Yep, I don't know how to grow
things, but my boy Nick does. He'll get me a farm going.
Yeah, and, and, and I'll be like, yo, I'm going to be, I'm

(50:56):
going to go do yoga with Chris and I'm going to be trading
these carrots and this lettuce is wonderful produce because
it's a it's a reciprocity, you know, I mean, it's, it's this
hey man, I want to give because you're giving me this wonderful
energy and everybody's stoked. And that that used to be
community. People took care of their
neighbors. People cared about the people

(51:19):
around them. And, you know, the technology
and the social media and, and everything is just kind of, you
know, it's put people's priorities and a stray, I think.
And, and I'm just speaking for myself and what I feel.
I'm not trying to judge anybody because we're all doing the best
we can. But even myself, I can do

(51:40):
better. I can always evolve as a human
and I can always shoot to do better.
I can always shoot to respond tosituations around me better
instead of, you know, the guy who cuts me off being like, F
you, you know, this, that or theother.
No, man, everybody's entitled toa bad day.
I don't know what people are going through.
They don't know what I'm going through.

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And I need to be aware of that and not just jump the gun and
get emotional and, and, and be present.
Be present in the moment. Take him stand back and take a
breath and go, hey, man, I don'tneed this energy.
I'm not going to give in to thisenergy.
So, and that's where micro dosing helps, you know, and, and
what I'd like to talk about withmicro dosing is and it takes the

(52:25):
edges off the lines and, but at the same time, we also need, you
know, to use these tools, but know that we're building that
within ourselves because whenever we have to take
something too much, we become dependent on it.
And you know, it's like the guys, I, I, I've never done
ayahuasca, but I, I asked them, man, why do you do ayahuasca so

(52:48):
much? It's like it's almost a monthly
thing or it's this, that and theother.
It's like, aren't you getting what you're asking for?
And, you know, people become addicted to these kind of
sensations and you have to be able to create these sensations
in yourself. And that's where again, I'll go
back to the pasta and it's blew my lid.
Some of the some of the feelingsthat I'm feeling inside myself,

(53:12):
happiness, the emotions and justthe awareness of everything
around me because I didn't have my phone for 10 days.
Think about that, man. It's just like, wow.
And it's a wonderful tool, but it's a balance.
It's this equanimity of like, OK, I'm going to use this as a
tool. I'm not going to spend 1/4 of my

(53:33):
day sitting on the effing phone,you know, but some people,
that's their job. So they have to do this balance.
But you got to, you got to let things go.
You can't let anything over overconsume you.
If you drink too much water, it's unhealthy.
If you drink, if you, if you breathe too much air, you can
pass out. You know, I mean, all of these

(53:54):
things is balance. And so I think that comes with
everything, even with plant medicine, you know, and it's
really, it's really just that balance in life.
And I think we're all striving for it and working for it.
And it's it's an everyday job. Yeah, I agree with you.
And I think that that's something that has to be made

(54:14):
make people aware of is that micro dosing is a way of life
and it should be combined, in myopinion, with a healthy yoga,
meditation, breath work practicein your life and shouldn't just
be done with your normal routine.
I mean, what's the point? Like you said, most people come
back and you're like, well, whatare you searching for?

(54:36):
You know, did you not get the answers that you're looking for
on your last ayahuasca trip? And the answer is that they do
get that high, but they don't know how to implement it into
life. So they're right back to the
same people, right back to the same situations.
And it doesn't take long for your conscious mind to go, oh, I
have to go back to being the wayI was.
And now the ayahuasca that you all the things you learned from

(54:58):
the ayahuasca or the DMT or the Bufo or the whatever it is plant
medicine wise is just flushes away slowly out of your body.
And then eventually you're rightback to where you started.
And they all know they got to goback and do it again, right?
Your big kick in the tail every now and then.
But what about the data lay living?
Why not progress every day from the day that you do your
ceremony by doing breath work, meditation, yoga and micro

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dosing added to? And I think there should be a
requirement. It should be part of the whole
process is that you go to a ceremony, you leave with a micro
dosing kit as well as a yoga meditation program.
Maybe we put it all on an app? Yeah.
And I mean that like you're talking about Chris, the
integration, you know, pre and after, you know, you got this

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amazing gift that you just experienced.
And if you don't have proper integration, that gift dissolves
away because you don't know how to use it.
It's like if somebody gives me something, you know, that I
don't know how to use, I have totake that time and integrate it
into my routine and, and utilizeit properly or else it's a waste

(56:09):
of time, you know, and, and you know, and that integration is
something like, you know, it waslike Spencer with the Iboga
rebirth church with, with Juan with the buffo with Nathan with
the cactus. And it's a, to me, it's just
like, if you don't have those tools, you found this amazing

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gift and you don't know what to do with it.
And it's like, wow, this is awesome.
Let me put it on the on the shelf.
I'm just going to look at it. No, no, no, no.
I'm. Going to go back and see it
every now and then. Yeah, yeah.
Oh, wow, that that reminds me ofthat wonderful time down in Peru
or out at Willowind or wherever.It's like, no, no, no, no, no.
These are this that memory should be part of your

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integration of like, wow, I feltamazing And that was within me
that that plant medicine got me to that point, but that point
was within me. So I believe that breathing and
meditation are the number one medicines that are free to us.
And they, I mean, shoot, if we can't, if we can't, you know,

(57:16):
value our life and our ability to evolve and be healthy and,
and embrace that change, then wewere missing that that
experience, you know, so. Let's let's talk about one more
thing before we cut it off because we're at an hour.
We could talk for obviously 20 hours.
You know, I could talk to you all day, brother, you know.
I know bro, we never get tired of that.

(57:38):
But I mean, I think we've been on our good key points.
But let's talk about mushies, the brand and what it's doing
and what you have going on and how incredibly different it is
than anything else that's out there, and how people should
really be paying attention to not only what they're doing but
where it's coming from. Yeah, yeah, So, okay, Mushes is,

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you know, our nutraceutical and microdose line that is taking,
you know, we use all organic chocolates.
We're growing, you know, the mushrooms in our our family
farms making sure that everything's organic.
If it's a cocoa based substrate,if it's a manure Leech, dairy
manure, all of that is organic because your mushrooms are

(58:21):
growing out of that. And we're starting to do cactus
bars. We do different cannabinoid bars
and all organic. Again, it goes back to this
organic medicine, if you're trying to take something to
evolve your state of being and yourself as a person, it better
be organic because if you're inputting chemicals, you might

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as well just be taking opioids and Western medicine,
pharmaceuticals. And that is not you're ever
going to cure you. You're going to treat a problem
by numbing this this sensory or,you know, knocking this out to
where you can't feel that. And you know where plant
medicine is coming in for a fullspectrum so much ease.

(59:03):
We're, we're doing micro dose San Pedro bars that we grow and
process into this wonderful product that we're homogenizing
properly. We've been doing it for four
years now and we're trying to build.
Well, we're not trying. We've built a consistent
product. So someone can take that square,

(59:24):
that half a square and they can go on their day not not going,
oh shit, what kind of mushroom did we use?
What kind of stack did we use? You know, using Linesman,
Cordyceps, psilocybin, whatever that that that scenario may be.
We're creating something consistent and that I haven't
seen in this industry because everybody's money grabbing.

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They've got all the wrong intentions.
And us, you know, Jordan, who helps me, my partner in Mushy's
a fantastic human, an Angel in my life.
We created this chocolate and wecreated the consistency and that
was the most important. Hey, man, let's make sure that,
you know, the money is we have to have it to keep going.

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We try not to get crazy. You know, people are charging
unheard of amounts for these, for these different products.
We're just trying to cover basesand get out there.
You know, we're starting a clothing line with it, conscious
clothing mushies and, and just really get it out there because
people need to see this and people need to experience this.

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And if they're going to take a plant based medicine or
something to help them evolve their state of being, let it be
something that's made with love.Let it be something that's made
organic. Let it be something that that
intention is shooting out to give you the head start to be
able to go, wow, this tastes great.
Wow, this feels great. Oh, this isn't overwhelming.

(01:00:54):
This is exactly what they said as far as dosage.
And you know, so many people, they, they, they eat, they have
a bar. Oh, I don't feel anything, you
know, because they're not anything in there, you know, and
a lot of this stuff is it's chemically derived, you know,
non detect mushroom firm formulas that I don't even know

(01:01:15):
what that means. I don't.
Even you just said the key ingredient right there, dude,
love and organic if those thingshave got, which I obviously am a
huge fan of the mushy's brand and would like to be a part of
that forever because it is made with love and it is made
organically. Yeah, man.
And I can feel and taste the difference and know the
difference because my body and my intuition are responding to

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it differently. That's it.
And that's where you know you'rein the right place, doing the
right thing with the right people is because that doesn't
happen unless you're just in alignment and you've got your
truth and you've got your love and you know what's going on.
And then you feel when somebody else puts love into their recipe
and then that goes into your body.
And then now that you got more love and more and it's like it's

(01:02:00):
this round Robin of we just keepcharging each other.
And so that's why we got to set a date for the Willow Wind
Festival sponsored by Best Yoga,bringing in the best people we
know to educate people and to just get people's attention.
We teach yoga, we teach meditation, we do breath work,
we do music, we do all the modalities, frequency healing,

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plant modalities, give people tours of the farm of the place,
you know, like let people see the real world of what's going
on that most people don't even know exists.
Like you said, the people that are programmed into the TV's,
unless we start running ads during Super Bowls, we're not
going to give people's attentionduring, you know what I mean?
Like they're just so, so connected to these football

(01:02:43):
teams but not connected to themselves.
Connected to these races, race car races, but not connected to
themselves. So what do we do to get them to
connect back to themselves? Well, first of all, people got
to like themselves. In order to like yourself,
you've got to spend time with yourself.
And that takes meditation. And I'm happy to give it to
anyone who wants it for free if you need my help.

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But it's not too difficult. I know how much people look at
it and think it's impossible, but let me tell you, if you do
learn to meditate for 5 minutes today and you do that for a
week, you're going to learn to meditate for seven to 10 minutes
next week. And eventually that turns into
two hours and turns into a perpetual state of meditation.

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But you stay in all day every day and it becomes just how you
live. Just like if you watch a lot of
golf, you're going to know everything about the golfers,
know everything about the tournaments, know everything
about the money prizes, know everything about the rankings
because you're spending time with that.
You've got to spend time with yourself to know yourself.

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So we've got to get people back to that grassroots man.
We've got to get them back to learning from themselves and
listening to their intuition. Because everything you say to me
makes complete sense and sounds so logical and so absolutely the
right way. But I know that other people,
they're going to be like, what are these guys talking about?
Like how do we really get more info on this?

(01:04:09):
And is there anywhere I ready that exists the mushies wise for
people to get info about mushies?
I know we're working on a new site, but is there anywhere now
they can get info? You know, just Instagram stuff
probably, you know, it's kind ofa grassroots thing to where I'm
not a big social media guy. I'm trying my best, probably

(01:04:30):
need to get one of my kids on it, really doing it because
that's where they thrive. And you know, and I'm not
Downing entertainment. You should be able to take some
time in your life for entertainment, for sports, for
music, for these different things and even social media.
You know, it's cool to be connected.
It's, it's, it's an awesome tool.

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But when you, when you don't have that balance and you, you
start losing yourself and not taking yourself 1st and making
sure you're healthy mind, body and soul, then then the balance
is off and, and that's what it'sall about.
You know, I, I want to start doing, you know, with the
church, it'll be a little more easier to do.

(01:05:10):
It'll be the House of us.org. And then we'll be doing, you
know, same with vets to yoga to vets.
You know, we'll be doing those informational videos.
I'd love to have people learn how to do their own chocolate.
I don't need to just sell peoplechocolates or gummies.
I want to have, hey here, make your own chocolate at home.

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Grow your own mushrooms. That is a beautiful thing.
You'll see, you'll experience, you're just seeing stuff grow is
so therapeutic from your food toyour medicine.
And so I think it's again, it's just giving people the knowledge
and, you know, getting it out there to the masses and, you

(01:05:51):
know, being able to catch their attention because we're so
overwhelmed with all these sensations going on around us
that it's, it's hard to see someof these real things.
And, and unfortunately, the fakethings have made us think the
real things aren't as real as they are.
And I think that, you know, the churches, you know,

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organizations like yours, you know, I'm, I'm starting grow to
give again, which I, I want to, I want to show people how to
grow food. There's so many, you know,
YouTube stuff. But like at our at our retreats
and our festivals, like, hey, man, here, let me give you
plants to take home. It's a seed.
Take care of this. You're going to make more seeds.

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You're going to make your seeds for next year's.
You know, it's just one piece offruit because that's the way
that that this wonderful, you know, universe, the Mother
Nature has created it. It's sustainable.
It's just we're the ones that are creating the unstability.
Well, you know, I've got the appout, we're going to go ahead and
get you on the app growing for the veterans and then obviously

(01:06:54):
we can just re replicate and post that on to other sites and
get it out there for other people.
But we're going to set up a festival.
It's going to be a thing. There's so much good information
here already. Let's leave them with this and
I'm going to give you my peptides.
By the way, did you hear about John's oxytocin nasal inhaler?
No, man, I I need to get a hold of them.

(01:07:14):
I hope to go over there this weekend and get some stuff.
I've never, you know, just starting That stuff with John
was one of the most amazing things.
That my good stuff and peptides are just taken.
I mean like people are really interested in it.
So between that and what you're doing and what I'm doing, we've
got like the foundation for all things to do well, like we got

(01:07:39):
the process great. Start, that's for sure, man.
And and just giving people knowledge and resources and
again, like that knowledge for integration.
Hey, here's how you use these things.
Let's let's practice that daily meditation you're talking about.
I, I try to do it every day and it's a chore.
You have to make it happen. If you don't, no one else is

(01:08:00):
going to do it for you. Nope, that's right.
And I mean, we're going to give out a lot of good info to people
that, but you guys got to make it happen.
You got to put it into action. So follow us, reach out to us.
We're here to help. There's a whole lot of more of
us. We're happy to give you the
information we have. We don't want to hide it.
So no, man, let's do this, all right?
Knowledge is power just for everybody.

(01:08:20):
A man Thank you brother, appreciate you bro and I will
talk to you shortly. Much love and have an amazing
day yourself brother. Love you brother.
See you man. You too late.