EP 32 Gabriel Borges & Life after the Futurity

Gabriel Borges, #8 Open Rider in 2023 and climbing the ranks fast. We discuss life after the futurity and 1 Rider: 1 Horse open aged events. Fairness and access to horsepower as life after the futurity is here.

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Life after the paternity is here.
Why we make great reigning horses is probably the same as
it's always been, but the time, opportunities for return and
success in all of its forms are here for the sport of rainy and
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Welcome to the cowboy office. I'm Brian.
And I'm Jodie welcome, we have agreat show for you today.
We'd like to welcome Gabriel Borges, owner and operator of
Borges Reigning Horses located in Scottsdale, AZ.
He's the man that rides Double O7, also known as Bond.

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I have a great question for you here.
Just a minute on that one right there, Gabriel.
But as this duo lit the industryon fire last year, that huge win
at the 100 Deck States in Tulsa,marking the historical 23277.3
average big finish. This year in the run for Maine
as they ended up tied 4th, marking at 226 1/2.

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That's a 75.5 average, 100 X Derby, 229 and a half, 76 point
and a half average. You know, Brian has come to my
attention that when you show a horse three times and you're
averaging 7576 and 7 1/2. You know you very.
Likely have a pretty good horse had to say.

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And and that's not to take anything away from anything away
from the horsemen that got that horse there.
But what a remarkable, remarkable individual.
So welcome to the cowboy office,Gabriel.
Thank you for having. Thank you.
It's a pleasure to be here with you guys.
Awesome. Well, you know, I, I was sitting
here making some notes about this thing as as I was working

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today a little bit. Gabriel, you're you're a little
younger than than the hosts right here.
You know, I don't know if you'reaware of that or not.
My question here was, you know, this horse.
You know, one of the remarkable things about him is not only is
his athletic ability, but, you know, you can call it ring
presents or you can call it panache.
You can call it whatever you want to.
But he's got that extra something special that makes

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people like him not just becauseof what he can do, but he's a
special. He's a special guy.
And my question here was, I don't know how familiar you are
with all of the Bond movies, right?
Because, you know, they he's been around a really long time
and and you may not have had a chance to see them all, but I
wondered, OK, which one does this guy fit the best?

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Right? If you tell me personality and
his name is Bond. Is he a Sean Connery?
Is he Rodger Craig? Is he, you know, a Brosnan?
I mean, which? Which personality, from a human
standpoint, fits that horse? You know, you know the reason we
did it because a friend of mine that owns his mother, you know,
owns the murder. He's from Germany and we've been

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friends for a long time. And he also loves Bonds movies
and we had this idea trying to come up with the name for him.
And, you know, when he when we saw that he was going to be
black white face, we were like, all right, you know, just double
O 7 is I was I was on the suit with, you know, black, you know,
with, with the white shirt goingon the mission.

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And and I say, all right, this the guy's going to be born going
on the mission because we had wehad a big dream and we had a big
expectation for him. And I mean, it was just perfect.
The name fit that you know fits perfect for him.
Awesome. Well, that's a like I said, a
great answer. I would love to if I get to

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Scottsdale, I would love to spend a little bit of time
around him. You know, I mean just to be able
to to watch him hands on insteadof just in the show pin.
What about our all time leaders list Brian with this with.
There's 2 interesting pieces. We'll bring this up real quick
for you because Gabriel, Gabriel, tell us how long you
been a pro and what attracted you to the sport of raining

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because you are currently sitting number 83 on the all
time raining earnings list, which is a huge deal.
And as of the close of 2023, andI expect 2024 to be even more
so, you were #8 last year of thetop 20 in all of the sport.

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So you know that that's pretty phenomenal stuff.
So tell us how long you've been a pro and what brought you to
the sport arena. So I've been a pro.
I had my pro career in 2013. You know, the first time I, I, I
sat on a reigning horse was in 2011.
And you know, I always loved horses my whole life.

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I, I born with this addiction for horses, you know, since my
mom, that tells me that since I was a baby every time, you know,
in my time in Brazil, we, you know, they still used to this
day horse, the horse carries, you know, the, you know, the guy
that's with the horse carrying milk and stuff.
So sell to sell to, you know, to, to everybody in the city.

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I would hear his, you know, hoofs and with the the shoe in
the in the asphalt and would wake me up and it would wake me
up and and get me all excited togo see the horse.
So she would have to pick me up and put him on the window so I
can see the horse. So I born with this action for
horses and we didn't have I didn't know raining until 2011.

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You know, that was when I first time I saw raining video.
Also, you know, I was in school,you know, watching YouTube on
time, the computer and, you know, just searching horse
videos. And then I saw this guy turning
fast and the horse slope is, youknow, carrying himself in a
different position. And the weekends I always go

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rodeo with friends and I used toride in rodeos and no blocking
horses, you know, and, and that was the fun.
That was the only contact we hadwith horses.
And I would ride in farms, you know, help them out to, to bring
the, the kettle and, you know, all the, all the, the farm job.
And when I saw that, I saw the video, I'm like, all right, you

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know, what is this, you know, I want to do this, you know, and I
had a feeling I had a race mayor, you know, she, she was
has no papers on anything, but she, she came from the racetrack
and she was pregnant and, you know, born, she gave birth to
this Philly. And I say, all right, I'm going
to I'm I want to make this Philly ring, you know, then I

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start to discover what raining was, you know, I want to be this
video going to, you know, lope around, steer, turn and stop.
And I mean, I need to have a horse.
So I start to search for classesand something that could teach
that, you know, or and I find out two towns away was was a
raining trainer. And I know I got in contact with

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him and and went in there, said my feeling there.
And I say, OK, hey, I I want to learn.
So can I bring my horse and. And you teach me how to do this.
And you know, I thought it was going to be a week and I would
be having a horse that that would turn and stop.
Yeah. And yeah, it starts like this.
And then after that, I was hooked.
And then? Where you go and how long have

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you been here in the States? I got here in 2015.
Good for you. Well, you are.
You are lighting them on fire. There's no doubt so.
Thank you. Cool.
And in a relatively short periodof time too.
That's awesome. Did you apprentice under anybody
here? I'm sorry, I don't know your
history, but you know, it's likeI've been away from this for
five or six years myself. So it's like you after spending

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a lifetime in it. So times change very fast and
we'll get to that later on too. But did you, did you work or
somebody here? I when when first came, I worked
for Dwayne Latimer and Tom McCutcheon.
They are like Dwayne was at Tom's ranch at that time.
So I worked for them for a year you know and they moved on and I

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worked for Ruben Vendor for about a year also.
Then I moved to Andrea in Arizona, you know, stayed there
for about a year and then I wentto Martin Muster and stayed
there for almost 2 years and then I went out on my own in
2021. He's got a solid foundation.

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Yeah, for sure. You know, because I've done this
for so long and had so many people work for me over the
years too. I think that having a variety of
trainers to learn from and developing an original program
of your own, I I would always tell people, I said I look, you
know, you don't, you don't have to change what you're doing

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because you work for me. Yes, I just want you to add what
I have to offer you if we're training.
So it's like unless it's a, unless it's a bad habit, and I
will tell you, I think that I think that that I think that you
can learn something from. I always maintain that you can
learn something from everyone, even if it's what not to do.

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But I think we know when you getinto a situation like that where
you have the opportunity to workfor somebody for a year and you
move on, you work. I I I don't think that's a bad
thing at all. I think that's AI think that's a
positive experience. That's that's fantastic and no
doubt everybody, parts of each and everyone's program is in
what you are doing today in addition to that passion that

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you carry. Those guys, they taught me so
much. I appreciate every one of them,
you know, for all the effort. And especially because in the
beginning I, I didn't speak any English, you know, So I gave
Dwayne and told him a hard time,you know, settling the wrong
horse, you know, like, no, no. And you know, they, they were,

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they were patient. Good.
So being around those programs is you self-taught yourself
English just by being around theprograms.
Yes, yeah, You know, trying to. I didn't know nobody here, you
know, I know one Brazilian trainer.
I'm from the South part of Brazil and there is like no
raining at all, you know, was like he cannot even.

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It's hard to make a living therebeing a horse trainer, right.
And we ride no quarter horses there.
We ride Crayola horses. Yeah, so was when I moved on
here, I didn't know any any Brazilian trainers.
The fact that here was only quarter horses was like no big
deal. Also because they're totally
different horses, you know, different minds and way more

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smart than the Criola horse. It was adopt known left and
right trying to adapt every team.
Good for you. I'm I'm happy that they were
patient with me because. Well, that's great.
Well, you know exactly what to do when you have people that
work for you, Donna, right? Well, and let me share this one

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with you because now you're talking about a young man coming
to this country and getting to the top of the ranks, but he's
sitting #8 as of the last at theend of 2023.
This is published by the NRHA 200,000.
Last year alone was his earnings.
And when we get to the end of 2020 four, it's going to be
interesting because he's had a very strong year and we're only

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3/4 of the way through it. So it's going to be really cool
to see. But when you also look at the
top 20 list, and I was thinking about this, Jodie, and I was
thinking about you, the top 20 list has a bunch of names that
we never knew. And so it's a big change in the
industry. And I say it from a positive

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standpoint, it's a positive change.
It's great. And I, I think the fact that
people from around the world arewanting to come here and get
involved in it and build businesses, I think all that
stuff is phenomenal. But, and I might be a little bit
biased because the US market andthe Quarter Horse, the fact that
any horse and any great horsemancan get this stuff done.

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That's true. So anyways, congratulations and
we're thrilled to have you so. Oh, I get.
I think that's I think that's fantastic.
You know, to Gabriel, after doing this for 40 plus years and
you know, pretty much all aspects of this business from
the training and the show and then the coaching and the
finding prospects and the judging and you know, all of

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that. I said, I kind of emptied the
barn out, you know, 5 or 6 yearsago just because I'd had a, you
know, I mean, I, I love the sport.
I grew up in it second generation.
My father was a trainer and it's, you know, I mean, it's a
difficult job. And when, when the spot came and
I, I told Brian this, I said when, when my ego and my
checkbook told me that I didn't have to do it anymore, then I, I

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was OK. I mean, and I'm, I'm good with
it. And I, you know, we go to Tulsa
to watch that horse show I and it's 105° and it's hot.
Not, you know, I used to bring 15 head to this horse show and I
don't miss it one bit. Simple, you know, I mean, it was
like, OK, you're right. I'm glad you're bringing them
and I'm glad the sport's where it's at.
I think that's awesome. And.

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Nobody, but nobody could have told you any different when you
were his. Age.
Oh hell no. Even, you know, and we couldn't
slow. You down?
It wasn't gonna no. And we couldn't make any kind of
money even even close to what these guys can't.
You know what I mean? It was like so good.
But I, you know, what I'm talking about is things so
rapidly change now in a short five years.
You know, Brian, it's like you and I, I mean, I'll walk into a,

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a big event like, you know, likeTulsa or 100X or, or, you know,
go to Vegas or heck, even futurity and I'm recognizing
about 60% of the riders in five years time, the professional
groups have, I mean, it's, they've changed just like that
fast and it's going to continue at that speed.

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I mean, in our generation it wasthe same guys that you, you
know, I mean, just because the business couldn't handle any
more than what there was, I mean, it was, you know, there
was just, you know, weekend shows and you'd, you'd go to a
show on a Friday, show Saturday and Sunday and get up in the
middle of the night and leap. I mean, they were two day shows,

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then they went to week shows andnow they're approaching a month,
you know, some of them. So what have you seen any
significant changes since you started, I mean that you can
think of in the short period of time that you've done this?
Yes, definitely yes, I I mean since 2015, OK, that's going to
be my my reference When they came, you know, had a handful of

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guys that were the idols, you know the we follow in Brazil and
everything through the Internet and I got here start to know
them and start to see everybody.And now it's like anybody can
win. Everybody rides good and every
horse can do plus hair. That's what I feel when I go to

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horse shows now. It's like just not enough.
You know, it's like just being good is not enough.
Got to be you got to be very good to, you know, to place.
And in 2015, you know, you couldsee like, all right, you know,
those are the guys and you know,and and you can see that they
were very different from, you know, the rest.

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And now it's like you. I watch everybody ride at night
still and I love to watch trainers do their thing and it's
so similar. The quality of the maneuvers and
everybody's riding so good and the horsemanship aspect is like
so fine now you know, you don't see, you don't see like much
difference between the riders now and and the horses, you

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know, and, and I noticed the bigdifference.
We, Brian, Brian and I talk a great deal about that when it
comes to the judging because it's difficult for the officials
sometimes to separate those horses when they're at that
level. We've just spent a great deal of
time about that. Let me ask you this and I would
be, you know, Brian and I've hadsome discussion about this, but
I would ask his opinion for our viewing audience right now at

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the same 2, the growth has been phenomenal both in prize monies
and and numbers. Do you think Gabriel, that there
is enough money? And when I say that enough money
means clients, right, because they're the ones that support
everybody. Do you think that there are
enough for the growth to continue?

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Or do you think my personal opinion is we take this big
market shot and then we still goup, but maybe not at the degree
that it has, but I would ask both of you what you would think
say the next five years would bring?
I'm going to let you go first, Gabriel, and I'm going to jump
on that from a different angle, so go ahead.
I think it's going to a level oflike, you know, like superstars

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on, on, on. I mean, I'm saying, I'm saying,
I mean, how can I order these, you know, in English still
breaking up. But like in Brazil, the
reference we have, I have, you know, judging by soccer, you
know, it's something that, you know, people invest, you know,
and that's the the goal is to become a soccer player.

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I think Rainy is getting to thatpoint where he's growing and
growing more and more and more, especially with those shows now,
you know, run for a median and the American and it's becoming
more and more popular and the money is insane.
I think you can get like at the business level.
Now he's going to, to a level that we need to adapt, you know,

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you know, I'm, I'm changing for the better every year.
And, and right now with the the technology and, and so much
money in so many different areasof the reigning, you know,
businesses, I think it's going to go to, to a level of those
kind of sports. Soccer is my reference.
I hope so, yes. And we used to.

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We used to dream about it and wealways believed our generation,
but even Jodie's dad's generation.
The vision was phenomenal, whichis true.
The final product of a reigning horse is a great product and
it's good for everybody. That's been true over the test
of time as the sport continues to evolve.

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And now we find ourselves the run for the million.
The American Performance Horsemen are 100.
X is trying, which is presentinga high quality competition to an
audience which is a fan. And that is the piece which is
when you talk about soccer and whether it's soccer or Formula
One here in the States, football, our football, it's the

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fan. That's the rest of that equation
on getting where we're talking about it, especially on the
economic level. I think it's interesting though,
Jody, because what we all see isthe explosion.
Of purses and the depth of competition.
And why has officiating now struggling?

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Because of the depth. Because in our time, Jodie, the
one or two or handful of really good horses would just
automatically rise. And the officiating had no
problem with that because it wasso obvious.
You now take any set of finals, last year's finals that Gabriel
wins with a 232 on Double O 7. You know, any one of twenty of

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those horses could have done that.
That's the difference. And so not only on the economic
side, but then when we talk about the competition itself and
in our sport, there's a variablethat we've got to put some
attention in, which is officiating side because it's
got to move at the same rate andpace that the horsemen and the

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Breeders are. And we've been talking about it
for years, but it's not. So we're going to be, we're
going to be able to talk about it in a minute because it brings
us right to it. I want to do 2 things real fast.
I want to show you now, this is a cowboy office, this is ours.
So this is not all inclusive to all reigning approved events.

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But when you only look at the cowboy office has been analyzing
5 judge open aged events for three years.
But when we look at last year, 2023 and 2024 and we're not done
yet. So I'm actually off already by
one because when the blue bar isnumber of events, the green bar

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is the number of aged events, aged classes inside events.
Like for example, 100X in Tulsa 3 weeks ago had six different
aged events inside one massive event.
That's an example. And the point to this is my 14

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is actually 15 because we've still got a couple more to go
here this year to conclude at the fraternity.
But if you think about 31 and that's almost double in a year
of aged event competitions offered, this is the top end of
our sport offered to the market.It, it's almost doubled in a

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year and the the money's gonna go with it and I'll show you
that too. But it's just an interesting
piece when you start to look at that accordingly.
The volume, there's two parts toit.
The amount of people leaving oursport seems to be the same
amount that are coming in. It is changing.
The generation is moving. Gabriel's certainly part of that

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generation coming and they are lighting it on fire.
There's no doubt about it. But at the same token show if
you look at the mass numbers, that's not moving by a huge
number. I don't think that it has to
though either, because I think the piece that is on our
forefront, it's the fan, it's the spectator, it's the

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audience. And if if we keep following the
lead and we're going to talk about that because run for the
million hundred X American performance horseman, that's
exactly what they're doing is taking a sport and putting it up
there so that a audience can come and enjoy it and all the
things, which then puts you likesoccer in Brazil, right, or
Formula One in Europe. We're going to do we've got the

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run last year from the 100 X stakes, Gabriel winning the
finals and we're going to take alook at it and we've got it in
two parts. So it should be a pleasant
surprise to both of you. So hang on just a second and
we'll have a little bit of a good time with this.
So this is last year's Hundred XStakes in Tulsa finals.

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And I'm sure, Gabriel, you've watched this a zillion times.
Yeah, I watch a lot of times trying to do it again and again.
It's been watching some things that could be better, you know?
Right, of course. But Jodi and I had a lot of fun
with this one. And this is one of those runs
that I wish I was in the chair. It would have been, yeah, this

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is just phenomenal. And we've got the scorecards to
go with it, so we can look at that as well.
But this is a run that has no penalties anywhere in it.
And this is all about how good something is.
And it's actually better than how good it's it's how close to

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very good and excellent if you want to use the word perfection,
but we don't. It's up there.
This is the most fun part of oursport, I think.
Gabriel, you got it. You tell us what's What's it
like in that saddle? You know that that is so quick,
you know, and so precise. That is like every time I

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finish, you know, big runs like this, I, I, I finish like
sweating because it's so anything can go wrong.
It's so, so quick. And we have to have like such a,
a communication with your horse.And you know, it's, it's the, it
can't, I don't know this feeling.
I cannot explain the feeling. It's such a unique feeling and

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adrenaline and, and satisfactionwhen maneuver after after
maneuver, after everything is working, you know, and that's
where I try to break it down when I go, you know, try to
perform on the highest level is like try to slower everything
down and perform maneuver after maneuver and.

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Yeah, I get it. And sometimes I would watch
after the videos and I'm like, how?
How did I do that You. Know, you know what, there is a
certain amount of sense I've hadthat I've had that feeling on
those nice horses that, that, you know, you're scared to
death, but you're going for it at the same time.
But you also have, it's hard to describe, but you've got that
great feeling of confidence at the same time that says, you

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know what, this thing is so on right now, it's going to go come
and catch. So yeah, it's a combination of
being scared to death and super confident at the same time.
So yeah, I get it. You knew.
In that you knew in the saddle while this run going on and how
good it was did. You.
I did yeah, yeah, you know and Iplanned this run in my mind so

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many times you know, before I goin I knew every movement that I
have to do and I was connect with my horse and.
And like, it just came together and after this run, that's when
my training program went with another level.
I believe it was because, you know, things came together and

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and then I something made so much sense with you know to me
on how things can get done and, and how how we can bring it to
another level after this run. Good for you.
Good for you. And you remember when we went
over this one last year, don't you, Jody?

(27:33):
Yes, absolutely. Because both those rollback, but
that right rollback is probably one of three that I've ever seen
in my lifetime. It it's just phenomenal.
You know, it's funny how you know, raining is I love raining
so much and I love to study the maneuvers.

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Just something that you know, it's it's, you know, my passion.
You know, I'm always trying to see details and the go round of
the show. You know, I, I have a couple
bubbles and I love rollbacks andI love turnarounds, every
maneuver of raining and all of circles.
And I'm always trying to bring to less ones and a half, you

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know, because I never, I never had the you know, I watched the
scores and I remember like, OK, how can we, how can we get to to
the Max maneuver? What do we need?
You know, So I started studying maneuvers all the time and, and
trying to figure out what some plus ones and a half maneuvers.
And I remember at Deborah at theprelims, I have a bubble in the
row back and I was getting, I was trying to get a row back to

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I was trying to get a + 1 and I have row back.
And remember in the show, my horse rode back so quick and
then he lost his balance like hewas turning so fast.
And then when he would lope off,he would like slip and Thiago
Bocha, which is a judge, you know, he and he's also, you
know, a friend. You know, he was there and he

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watched. He watched me my go round and I
have a overturn and I have a trailer on the road back.
And then he came to me, you know, and it's like you can win
this. You got to fix two things.
One, you got to, you know, go for it.
And two, you have to get the road back.

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Just the low puff of the road back better, just the landing.
The road back is perfect. You just need to land.
And if you can give their horse,there are confidence to lend
after like if you can marriage. I don't know how how to say, but
like when after the move, you know when you move, if you can
move and land and then engage tothe lope and say you're going to

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be able to win this this event. Yep.
Well, let me let's take a peek. We did a little bit of fun with
that run, so bear with me for two seconds.
This is not only my view, but many others.
This is a highlight of this samerun.
But we're going to look at exactly what you were just

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talking about, and then we're going to pull up the scorecards
real quick and kind of analyze it.
This was with Pattern 15, wasn'tit?
Yeah, yeah, 12, yeah, yeah. It's just phenomenal.
But what you were talking about was the rollbacks and they're
going to come up in 2 seconds because all we did was kind of

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take these dynamic pieces. And then when your scorecards,
here it comes. This rollback, this is me is one
of three that I've ever seen in my lifetime of this quality.
That's one motion like 179° Cody.
Yes, agreed. And when you look at the

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scorecards, and that's really good, but it was so good on the
other one. And then this is your last one.
And of course, it's absolutely excellent.
Yeah, that that that's what he was saying is like if you can
make one movement, no, because the the mechanics is good, you

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can make it 1 movement wouldn't make a difference.
And he was right. Yeah, Yeah.
That's for sure. Well.
Here's his scorecard from that run last year.
And the thing that's very interesting on it is, is kind of
where they all went. And Jody and I do a lot of
analysis on scores and stuff. And the reason that left
rollback is the only there was no penalties in it at all.

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You had 2 + 1 and a halfs on your first stop.
You had one 1 1/2 on your right spin.
Then you had unanimous plus one on your left spin, basically a
plus half on your two sets of circles.
You could pick that apart. That right rollback was
phenomenal. This is me, and this is one of
the areas that our system has towork on because both those

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rollbacks, while they weren't equal, they were both excellent.
So in my book, those would have been 1 1/2, one and a half, 1
1/2. That's just me.
And it's clear because they struggle with it on your left
rollback because you had one judge at plus and a half, three
judges plus at 11, judge 1 1/2 and then on your stop and
hesitate. See how the the 1 1/2 should

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have been like a no brainer. And I think that that's just a
spot they've got the officiatinggot to get more comfortable
with. Jody, do you have a take on
that? Yeah, no, I, I mean, I
completely agree. I think that, you know, it's,
it's a mental aspect from a judge's standpoint that and I
it's so hard because we've worked with so many over the

(32:44):
years. But what, what happens in a
situation like this is it's likeguys, you know, one guy pulls
the trigger on a 1 1/2 on that on the first run in and stopping
back up and clearly the entire maneuver's excellent.
I mean, you have first of all, you know, I've lobbied for years
to make the backup a separate maneuver.

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I mean, that thing backs a + 2. I mean, there's not one in.
I've had horses that could back like that and couldn't stop.
I've had horses that could stop like crazy, couldn't back they
back like a camel. This thing can do both, but when
you have a horse that can act like that and doesn't collapse
and stick his head on his chest and his top line stays level and
that's, I mean, the backup's excellent to run and stop is

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excellent. So there's without question,
it's an excellent maneuver because both parts of it also
the approach was excellent. The stop was excellent.
The backup was beyond excellent.So it that should have been a
unanimous decision. I mean, there shouldn't have
been a one guy pull the trigger on that.
I mean, it's just, but it's partof it.
So yeah. Well, it's going to lead us to,

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so the run for the Millions changed the industry in so many
ways and definitely leading us to new frontiers.
And they're proving the fact that many thoughts and ideas can
work. Just somebody's got to do it.
We want to focus on a couple of key areas and a big one is Jodi.
And I remember Jodi and I remember well, you know, in the

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early 80s when the sport of raining 1st guaranteed 100,000
to the fraternity champion. You're talking about one person
in a year, but that was a really, really big deal and it
was one of those historical spots in the sport.
When we look back, it's a monumental step, no doubt.
Now you got to run for the million and we're going to talk
about a few of the pieces, but one, you got to qualify way

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early in the year, 16 unique riders pick your horse up to
Showtime and then three, it's paying 1/2 a million, $1,000,000
purse that's going to pay a halfmillion to win it.
You were fourth this year and got a nice paycheck.
Yes. So it's it's a changing piece

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for the industry and the thoughts are purses and
opportunities. And as I showed you on that
graph, the mere fact that we've got 14 major events, 30
different aged event sections, divisions, classes, whatever you
want to call them inside those event productions.
In Jodie's, in my time, there was three.

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We had the Derby, we had the fraternity, then came the Derby,
then came the NRBC. And the NRBC is, it's in its mid
20s, twenty, 52627 years old. Phenomenal program, lasted a
long time doing great stuff. That's all there was.
There's now fourteen of those. And so the part of the question

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is you, that's a lot to pick from in a year's time, right?
So did I assume that that's good?
But it puts a different pressurepoint on how you manage, how you
make a decision, how you do yourstuff, what shows you going to
go to not right? Talk about that for a minute.

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Is that a good thing, bad thing?Would you like to see more or
less? I mean, you got to be very, very
smart on how you plan your, your, your horsepower for those
shows, in my opinion. And you only, you know, you
better perfect things and do things better and change some,
some things to me, I've been trying to qualify for the run
for a million since 2021 and I've been like half a point

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behind the 10th place. And you know, and then I was
studying. Well, I mean the good thing or
if not qualifiers that you can get to watch and see people,
what they do, how they do it, you know, and I was studying
those riders and see the different approach they took a
lot of some guys they qualify their horses early on in the

(36:48):
year, kept showing when they're to by the time August came, they
had no horse left. Some guys, you know, qualifying
one horse, showing a different horse how they run for a
million, you know, when they have different more variety, you
know, multiple horses to to choose from.
So my plan was I had at the time, you know, double O 7 was

(37:14):
by peak to show out the run for a million.
So I made all right, I made a plan and I saved him after 100 X
he was done. He I show him only twice last
year. I show him at the Derby and I
show him on the other hundred X and I saved him to an RBC and
qualifying. I didn't show him in the

(37:35):
qualifier here in Scottsdale. And then my plan was showing
over those seven on the qualifier, try to qualify him if
we qualify, don't show him saving for the run for a
million, preparing for the run. So after the 100 X, he pretty
much was just getting prepared for the Run for a Million show
and. Last year.

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Last year, yeah, yeah, last year.
So after the 100 X finish, that was my plan.
I'm like, OK, this is my horse for the run for a meeting.
I'm going to save him now. I'm going to prepare him for run
for a meeting, which is the prelims would be cactus and and
then show in August. And so I didn't show him
anywhere else. And the plan was even if you

(38:17):
won, even if you had won, run for a meeting was the show in
Tulsa next a week after. And so I think in my opinion,
you got to have multiple horses to pick from, which is really,
really hard to do because not every day you have, you know,

(38:40):
horsepowers like these, right? Especially myself that I started
the business 2021 and and now I'm building my building my
horsepower. It takes time.
If you build them from scratch, you know, it takes time.
You know, you make 2 year olds and, you know, you get to those
horses and you got to keep them.Now that, like, the mark is so
good, you know, it's really hardto keep a horse like this, you

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know? Yeah, but everybody would like
to. There's a little competition out
there. And we're dealing with deep
pockets out there, you know, I mean.
Buying and selling, who's doing and who's doing what they want
to do, the goals, all the thingsright.
Yes. I mean, if you have to, to hold
a horse like that, you got to have a good support behind you

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and there's a lot of pressure. You know, you got to be able to,
to be able to say I can win a major event.
It's, it's crazy because you know, the horsepower is so good.
Also, the trainers there there are already in this business for
so long. They have tremendous support and
multiple horses to pick from. So that was the plan.

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I I saved that horse for for that show.
OK. Well, it's obviously a good
plan, you know, recognizing thatquality and you know, because
it's, I had spoken with Arno at the Derby and ask him, you know,
I mean, you know, obviously, youknow, the guy's got a deep
string. But I said you are my, I told

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him he was nuts because he was going to come from Scottsdale to
our part of the country, the Oklahoma City area 5 times this
year. I mean, he had the Fort Worth,
Tulsa, the Derby. 100X coming tothe fraturity 5 trips here.
You know, obviously that's A andthen go, have a week turn around

(40:26):
to go back and go to the High Roller.
You know, I mean that you are, you're home and you get a day.
I mean, you get off the airplane, you got somebody else
driving your horses. And it's like, and I'm going to
like, you know, we used to go, I'd try to tell my, my people,
we're going to go to six shows ayear.
I mean, that, that was, you know, the, you know, the nom pro
clients, we're gonna find 6 shows this year.
We're not, that's what we're gonna go to.
We're not gonna, we're not gonnatry to go to, to 20 of em,

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right? I'm amazed at number one, I'm
amazed at the amount of disposable income as far as that
deep pockets that there are. We've talked about that before.
Because that's not, that's not acheap haul.
Five times coming from Scottsdale to Oklahoma City and
back again. I'm amazed at the horsepower
that there is that I the same group of riders can come from

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like, say your part of the country or can come from that
Fort Worth area and go to all those shows.
That's that's incredible. And I am so glad I don't have to
try to find one to compete anymore because it's impossible.
Yeah. And also it's hard on the owners
too, because you, you got to bring your 3 year olds with you.

(41:31):
You know, you we're in the road this year so much, you know, and
you need to to bring them with you.
If not, they would be behind forthe futurity and that's gets
expensive at the end at the end of the year.
Sure. No question.
I'm using casual terms, but it'salmost doubling the training
bill just cause 'cause they got to go on the road with you and
there's a good and a bad. It's good 'cause it gets them.

(41:53):
Not only does it challenge theirimmune system and get some
healthier and all that kind of stuff and get some more worldly
and all that kind of things, butyou got to normal expenses that
go with it. So yeah.
And which is way different than one or two a year.
Now you're 10 and 12 and 14. Actually, by the numbers, if you

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take the unique horses in the amount of shows last year in
2023, it's 1:00 to 12:00, which means every horse was shown on
average 12 times, which is once a month.
Let me show you this one quick because I thought this was
interesting. This is top 20 riders, 2023
gabriel's #8 climbing the board quick, good job.

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But what this shows you is how many horses.
Now this is horses that earned money that put him in the top 20
list. So that's what it's showing you.
So from #1 to #20 and the average is right about 15.
So it's just an interesting point and it's definitely
distinctly, it's a growth factorin our industry and way

(43:04):
different than our time. It's just interesting.
But you bring up a very big and valid point, which is the rest
of the economics. And so the expense to build
them, the expense to get them the experience they need
everybody. But then the other side of that
is and it appears that the purses are coming because you

(43:27):
can earn your way and get some return.
Is that am I speaking pair Gabriel or?
Definitely, yeah. I mean, you have a chance to win
500,000, you know, it's you know, and 100XI mean they run,
you know, we got 150, you know, it's I mean you have to do it.

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If you have a good horse, you have to, you know, and you got
to go. You got to go and just, you
know, so much money out there. You know, if you have, if you
have the horsepower, he's going to pay off.
I have one other one. I'll show you this one real
quick. And Jody, this will follow into
yours quick. This is the top 20 list

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published by the NRHA. It was published in the Rainer
April of this year, which is 2023's review.
And again, Gabriel is number 8. But here now this is level 4
only this is not all four levels.
So level 4 open riders, $4.6 million, the top 20 riders
earned last year, which is 18. It's right at 19% of total money

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earned across the industry in the year.
That's 24,498,000 across all sectors of the sport.
And so I found it very interesting.
And then all all we did was was put a percent of that total.
So when you go down the top 20 list, that rider's earning
percent of the total that the 20did, the 4.6 million, and you

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can kind of see it accordingly. But the thing that was
interesting and Jody, you're in my time and I don't want to
hound on the old days because that's not what it is.
But just like Gabriel talking about his foundation and
references his upbringing in in southern Brazil in our time,
you're talking about 20th place last year, $84,000 in a year,

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which is only 1 1/2 percent of the total purse money that was
had last year. That was one person and it was
number one in our time, which was whoever won the fraternity.
It's just a very different distinctly positive movement for
the sport. So that's what it says.

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And I think it's like very cool.That is so cool.
Yeah, that's amazing. I think that's a neat deal.
And I you know, I'm going to I'mgoing to jump, I'm going to jump
into a spot here that is definitely going to cause some
conversation because and we've talked about this, but you know,
the the run for a million has proven it's a new, there's a new
and better way that's possible for the sport.

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And as the one rider, one horse competition as to our sports
norm of one rider and three horses, which is always been
that way and nobody knows why it's been that way because there
was just a few trainers and theyhad most of the horses and so
well, we're just going to show 3.
So it's just always been this the way we've always done it.
This is the way we're going to continue to do it.

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We're going to have three. My point was, you know, we have
division after division after division to level of playing
field from level 1 to level 2 toLevel 3 to level 4.
And Brian and ours day there wasopen and non pro and that was
it, you know what I mean? And then they come with the
intermediate and then all of a sudden they had another couple.
And my question here, food for thought.
And you talk about, well, I think this is going to go to the

(46:52):
level of, you know, soccer. It's going to go to the level of
professional sports where we see, you know, this much money
that's going to be available. The reason, part of the reason
that the run for Millions has been successful only because of
Taylor, but it's because it's vision for what it takes to have
an entertainment package that people can understand.
And it's the reason that our major event finals, the

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fraternity finals are, you know,we've got a three quarter full
Coliseum in Oklahoma City. There's a lot of people that are
coming down to the finals go rounds.
That thing's empty. It's like there's nobody there.
So huge money shows need to be in two hour packages so that
people can see the best of the best, which is why the run for a
million, they're like, OK, we'regoing to go stay a week because

(47:36):
and we're going to do it. But we just want to watch this
90 minute or two hour show. That's where it's going to be
and that's where all the money'sat.
So at some point in time, the show period now it's like we got
8 days, nine days, 10 days, 12 days, 14 days to get to that 2
hour window. My, my question is, is it
beneficial, Would there be benefit to take some of these

(48:00):
major events and go use that runfor a million format where it is
one horse, one rider? I buy a fraternity slot.
I 24 hours. I'm going to tell you before my
horse goes, I'm going to tell you which one I'm going to show.
And you know, no, our numbers aren't at 450 or 500 head, but

(48:20):
we've got 140 head of the best of the best.
And we, we can shorten that timeframe, get to our two hour
window where that $1,000,000 canbe paid and not have 14 days.
If we want to go have a 14 day show where we've got non pro
horses and we've got then we have that at a different spot.

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But my question to you, Abel, doyou think looking down the road
in the future, it's like it's outside the box thinking you
can't, you have to think beyond,oh shit, I would lose my
training horses. But you would think that well,
maybe I've got, you know, three really good horses, but here's
my best one and now I'm going totake my second best one and I'm
going to find another rider for it.
I'm still going to get paid for it and I'm still going to get

(49:02):
some money. But would there be benefit?
Obviously the run for a million works.
Nobody bitches about one horse. There they go.
That's this is my best one. I'm going to go show them.
So you think that possibly therecould be some benefit to to
lower the numbers to increase the purse size for because right
now Brian and I've talked about this a lot.

(49:23):
There's there's huge amounts of money, but still it's kind of a
giant jackpot because it's on our owners, it's on full
enrollment. It's on, it's on stallion
enrollment. You know it.
A lot of that is it's not we haven't, we haven't our sport
can't gather that outside revenue like the run for a
million dozen. But I think we get to a spot
where we can have Nike come in as a sponsor and or someone on

(49:44):
the Ford motors gives us $1,000,000.
That's that's where we need to go.
And I my question is, would would there be some benefit in
at some of those major events toshrink the level 4, the best of
what we got to offer to a singlerider saying this is my best
horse, I'm going to go show it. I think you know what, for the

(50:06):
young riders like me, open theirbusiness and starting that we
don't have the access of that many horsepower, It's a better
chance to win. Sure, you know, because
everybody has one shot. You know, if and and things
happens to anybody. So that's why that's why I took
the run for a million so seriousand and like prepared their

(50:27):
horse for their run, because there was a good shot that I had
that, you know, Andrea, Jason Craig, I mean, Sean, they would
have one shot just like me, you know, and I feel like if I, you
know, prepare and anything couldhappen when you know, you see
the futurity. Those guys has three good.
They have three good ones usually normally, you know, one

(50:53):
in the top, one right there in the mirror, one at the end, you
know, so you have the odds is higher for us that you know, if
everybody has a one shot. And I think for the business
side and the show side's becoming more like a show.
You know, I think if you narrow down like you say, you have

(51:13):
those big sponsors, I think it would be, I think that's where
is the road to take reigning to a different level because it
would be more like a show, you know, you would pay for a show.
You would see, you know, qualityafter quality after quality
because it would force the riders to be closer to
perfection, better runs. You have one shot.

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So I think the quality would go up all.
Right, Yeah, I agree. And I and we've we've talked
about that some too. And I think when you this whole
the whole world is about eyes onhow many people watch.
And the more people watch, the more that money is easy to to
get from the sponsor standpoint,you know.
So anyway, Jeff, good, good question.

(51:54):
And great conversation, but whatyou're talking about is that
that that is a major shift in the way the market works.
Again, that's that's a forward movement because how did, how
did commerce advertise and market to their consumer is very
different in today's time than it was 10 and 15 years ago.

(52:15):
So you know, a lot of businessesused to come up with a name that
was alphabetically at the beginning because the Yellow
Pages, your name would be first in the Yellow Pages.
That was just one of the comments.
Now I'm going way back. The point is what you were
talking, what you're both talking about.
I think Gabriel's take is a phenomenal insight because it

(52:36):
flattens one of many things. A run for the 1,000,000 is now
proven success and it works, butit flattens and equals that
playing field. That's basically what you said.
Yes, Gabriel. Yes, because everybody's got the
same, which is one shot. And so I think that's way cool.
And it's interesting. If we looked at that think as an
industry, we could look at it intwo very distinct categories. 1

(52:59):
is the fraternity horses, because that's how we build
those horses. And after their fraternity,
which is now the life that we have as a sport, we could look
at that segment of the industry very differently.
And I think that's what Run for the Million is setting the stage
to do is to look at it, see it, feel it, experience it in a very

(53:21):
different light because all of those things are not normal, but
I would call them very positive and very healthy, right?
I, I think so. And I think that I, you know, I
mean, like I said, just, it's kind of fun because I get to
look at this from the outside now I'm not in the middle of it
anymore, right? So I get to, you know, I get to
take this, I get to look from the outside in and, and all we
have and I've my numbers. I'm, I'm not sure because it's

(53:44):
been so long since I've even looked at it, but NRHA was what
Brian is 15,000 give or take members.
Pretty consistently too. Too shy at 13,000 right in front
of me. And OK, what do we have from a
professional standpoint, what's there, 89000 trainers maybe?
No, no, no, no, no, no. I mean worldwide.

(54:04):
I mean, think about this. I've got the numbers right in
front of me, OK? Worldwide membership last year
2020 three 12,749 seventeen 198 right at 1800 professionals.
You have 9000 non pros so we canthat's that's where you are.

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1700 professionals worldwide so that are doing all the training
for the 13,000 or I mean the thenon pro crowd and or riding some
of the membership right right sowhatever we're.
Doing with our horses. Right.
So, well, yeah, no, no, I'm justsaying from the numbers

(54:48):
standpoint, we have more and more and more shows.
So I'm saying that the if, if you were, if you limited your
number of horses right now to, you know, to one.
And I think it, I think it givesalso guys like Gabriel the
opportunity to say, yeah, I meanthis 3 year old goes to the 100
X, this 3 year old goes to the High Roller, this 3 year old

(55:10):
goes to the futurity. I mean, I think that there's
enough shows that that possibility exists that you
could actually, you could spreadthat out.
And I think if the numbers, if the numbers get high enough,
you'll see guys just like you have the Europeans coming here
to show the run for a million. I think you'd have guys loading
our horses on an airplane like Idid 25 years ago.
And to go show at Augsburg to try and win a world title, you'd

(55:31):
go if the money's there. They'll go, they'll go.
So anyway, just another interesting thought.
Like I said, from a number standpoint, I, I actually think
that you would see, you know, it's kind of a funny thing and
this doesn't have a a ton to do with it.
But I said, even if a trainer, if you were limited to a horse
at per major event, doesn't meanyour non pros aren't there.

(55:54):
Your doesn't mean any of that kind of stuff.
I'm just talking about the levelfours or the professionals at a
major event. I, I liken this a little bit to
COVID. When COVID first hit, I called a
dozen trainers just because I was interested.
It didn't affect me any. I didn't have a barn full of
horses, but I asked them if they'd lost a horse due to

(56:15):
COVID. From a training standpoint, you
know what? I had one trainer tell me he
lost one horse. So I'm saying the fan base that
love Raiders are so big, no matter what, they're going to
keep a trainer with a horse, youknow, I mean a horse with the
trainers. I believe that.
I believe that the people a little bit like you, Gabriel,

(56:36):
that had that passion to come here to this country and to work
your tail off to get where you're at.
I think that there's owners withthat same level of passion that
no matter what, they're going tohave a horse just because they
love the sport. Yeah, I agree.
You know, it's the passion is out there and and I'm fortunate
to have a barn full of people that love the sport.

(56:58):
You know, they're like, you know, looking for the next one
and the next one, you know, because we got to start.
I mean, looking for like you have a good horse for this year,
but you, you need to have your yearlings getting ready for the
next year and the next year. So like you need 3 generations,
you know, planning ahead. When, when, you know, when I

(57:19):
opened my business, I was thinking how long it was going
to take, you know, and, and to find people that want these like
we want, you know, and understand and try to invest in
a prospect that, you know, it's going to take three years to get
into the Chopin and having one that is going to take another
year to get in, you know, so like having three generations so

(57:40):
we can have one every year made by the same program.
And I thought that was going to be almost impossible.
And I was surprised with how many people just love the
process, you know, and, and to have that next force coming and
having the opportunity to have the next champion, it's, it's
crazy how, you know, we're fortunate, fortunate to have

(58:02):
people that loves horses just like us.
Well, I think it's also a testament to the entire industry
and the quality of the sport andthe quality of the product.
And a lot of that is driven not only by you guys and all that
side, but the product itself, which is competition.
Because one of the things that put Rainers on a very fast gross
schedule was the officiating program.

(58:24):
So because that fairness is there, I want to give you a
couple quick numbers because youguys were just on it roughly
approximately you got about 4000horses per year being
competition license and or nominated because the paternity
and Derby is now a nomination program that goes a long time.

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So I'm mixing those two numbers very closely to each other.
But basically that's about whereour industry is.
So you got about 4000 horses, your 1800 trainers, just that in
itself is 2 to one, two horses to every trainer if you just did
the simple side. But the other interesting piece
is a hunt last year, total entries worldwide in the sport

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of reigning 131,000 entries. And this goes back a little bit
because when you do the simple math, I did unique horses, total
shows offered and entries, and it's about 1:00 to 12:00, which
is a horse is shown 12 times in a year, which is basically once
a month. That's just looking at it flat

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and nothing's equal in there. But I think that that's all very
interesting. What it appears to me is the
sustainability of the quality ofthe product is not a problem.
You got Gabriel and there's 15, I don't know how many, but
there's probably, I don't know, 400 of him.

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That are coming into this sport and they're coming and they're
learning, they're doing all the stuff and and they're moving
fast, faster than we ever did. So the quality of and the
genetics and the breeding and all of that stuff.
If you look at the breeding numbers and the sale numbers in
the last three to five years, they're all up.
You did you were just talking about Gabriel.

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You guys, the, the industry is looking at yearlings, right?
They're watching weanlings and yearlings.
In our time they were long 2 year olds.
And and even even when from 2015to now, the market on babies is
is going, you know, crazy everybody you know, people don't

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mind to spend, you know, 200,250on baby now you know that have
already the genetics that is being proven is winning.
You know, it's it's insane. Before you know, it needs to be
trained up. Let me I'm comparing from 2015,
you know, train, train them up, get them good show.
And then they were this amount. Now it's like all right before

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embryo, you know, 150 two 100,000 is like crazy numbers.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. I like this a little bit.
I was laughing the other day because I had actually, I had
some conversation with an attorney and I said, you know,
this sport, you know, if you'd have told Brian and I in the 80s

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that, you know, that Andrea was going to be the the high money
earner for the year with $700,000, we just said you're
full of shit. I mean, really, it's not going
to be possible, right? If you would have told Terry
Bradshaw when he was the quarterback of the Pittsburgh
Steelers getting that crap beat out of him back in those days

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because those guys weren't protected, that that Prescott
was going to be making $40 million a year.
He just said right, no way you're drinking.
So times have changed. Well, yes, and Gabriel's in this
batch, which is the next youngergeneration of pros coming up
through. But in in our time, Bill Horn,

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God bless him, rest his soul, but it took him a lifetime to
hit the mark that these guys arenow doing in three to five to
six years. That's that's the difference
from a practical standpoint. And I think it's healthy.
I think it's great. There's nothing wrong with any
of that as long as all of the rest of it keeps moving.
And am I somewhat? You're, you're right.

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You know, when I came over, I was like, my dream is to be
$1,000,000 rider. And then now he's like, all
right, you know, they shake yourhand, all right, you know, don't
get out of here. You're close.
You're going to see it soon. Yeah, so you're.
Going to be $1,000,000 rider soon.
So you know it's mean. You almost know much anymore.

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You better. You're going to keep going.
Yeah. And now you got, Yeah.
Was a million a year, yeah. So yeah, crazy.
Well, good. Gentlemen, we've come to a
conclusion. We are in great shape.
Gabriel, we can't thank you enough.
Your time, your expertise, your insight.
Your insight was actually invaluable.

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It's great to see the next generation and how you kind of
see that. Your input on the one horse, one
rider flatten and fair, everybody's got that shot.
I think that's phenomenal insight.
Thank you very much. Congratulations to you and
double O 7. I mean, you 2 have obviously
done something very special. It's one of those things in the

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history books, it's the Hollywood done it and Tim
Mcquay, it's the Craig Johnson and Smart Chickalina.
It's it Bill Horn had a dozen ofthem.
But it's it's one of those special ones that I'm confident
that history will treat it very well.
And so congratulations and good for both of you and I hope for
double O 7 because he's going to, he's a young horse, right?

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He's a 5 year old this year. So you know, his breeding career
is just starting. And so it's going to be
interesting to see how all of that goes.
So we want to thank you for yourtime.
We want to congratulate you for all your success and we want to
keep pushing you hard because you're just getting warmed up.
So God bless you and keep going.We will be watching, we'll be
following the data and at some point in the near future, we'll

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have you back on it. We'll talk about some more of
that stuff, we'll put links, everything will be linked and
people can get to Gabriel, get to his program, get to Double O
7 Breeding Farm that manages him, all that stuff that'll be
attached as well. Remember to go to the
cowboyoffice.com, drop your e-mail in, join us, hit the

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subscribe button. Horses are good for people.
And until the next time, enjoy the ride.
Absolutely, Gabriel, I can't saythank you enough.
This sport is in great, great shape when we have young guys
like you, that with the passion and the drive and intelligence
to put forth the effort that youhave.
So thank you very much. I can't wait to get to see you

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in person. Show your horse and until the
next time, stay in the middle. Thank you guys so much.
It was so much fun to have to enjoy, you know, both legends
and you know and talk about horses, you know.
He's a legend. Yeah, yeah.
We're both old legend. Old is the keyword.

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