January 20, 2026 • 34 mins
Cut The Tie Podcast with Dan Rosenblatt
What happens when performance stops working and success still feels hollow?
In this episode of Cut The Tie, Thomas Helfrich sits down with Dan Rosenblatt, founder of Seventy Two Ministries, commercial insurance business owner, and coach to business leaders who feel deeply out of alignment. Dan’s story cuts straight to the heart of what many high performing men experience but rarely say out loud. You can win in business and still lose peace, family, and purpose.
Dan shares how faith became the foundation that reordered every other area of his life. Not as an escape from responsibility, but as the framework that allowed him to lead with clarity, conviction, and rest. This is a conversation about cutting the tie to performance driven identity and redefining success through alignment, legacy, and eternity.
About Dan Rosenblatt:
Dan Rosenblatt is the founder of Seventy Two Ministries, a faith based coaching and discipleship platform focused on leadership, alignment, and purpose. He is also the owner of a commercial insurance franchise and has over eighteen years of experience in sales, business ownership, and leadership development. Dan has coached hundreds of sales professionals and business owners and serves leaders who want to build thriving businesses without sacrificing faith, family, or integrity.
In this episode, Thomas and Dan discuss:
- Why faith is usually the last tie people cut
Dan explains how most leaders only turn to faith after finances, health, or relationships collapse. - Redefining success beyond performance
Why success rooted only in output eventually leads to burnout and emptiness. - What alignment actually means
How misalignment shows up in marriage, leadership, and business long before people admit it. - Building business without abandoning faith
Why faith does not replace responsibility, discipline, or hard work. - Leading from rest instead of exhaustion
How leaders can stop running on empty and start leading with clarity. - Purpose measured in eternity
Dan challenges the idea that success should only be measured in revenue or status. - Why most high performers feel stuck
The hidden cost of being successful in one area while neglecting others.
Key Takeaways:
- Performance is a poor foundation
It delivers results but not peace. - Alignment precedes scale
Growth without alignment magnifies problems. - Faith brings clarity, not passivity
It strengthens leadership rather than softening it. - Legacy outlives metrics
What you build matters less than who you become. - You do not need to fix everything at once
Progress starts by cutting one tie at a time.
Connect with Dan Rosenblatt:
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dan-rosenblatt1/
🌐 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@SeventyTwoMinistries
Connect with Thomas Helfrich:
🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/thelfrich
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thelfrich/
🌐 Website: https://www.cutthetie.com
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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Welcome to the Cut the Tie Podcast.
Hello.
I'm your host, Thomas Hilfric.
I'm already laughing.
It's gonna be it's gonna be adeep this show.
This show is gonna have anemotional ride today.
With uh, you know, brought youtoday.
Dan Rosenblatt's gonna join us.
Uh if you've you've heard mebefore, I changed my intro just
slightly there because it's anew world.
And I want you those still,though, to get out there.
Cut a tie to whatever it isholding you back from success.
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And now you have to own your ownsuccess.
You have to define it.
If you don't, you're chasingsomeone else's dream, and you're
gonna be a bit hollow when youget there.
So we're gonna we're talkingwith Dan.
Dan, uh, thanks for comingtoday.
Just take a moment, introduceyourself, where you're from, and
what it is you do.
SPEAKER_00 (00:37):
Thanks, brother.
I appreciate the opportunity tobe here.
And my name is Dan Rosenblattwith 72 Ministries.
I own a commercial insurancefranchise as well.
I've been doing that for 10years, uh helping small business
owners out with life insurance,business insurance, disability
insurance, that kind of thing.
But recently launched 72Ministries from a coaching
perspective and then from aministry perspective.
So, our ministry perspective, wehave a YouTube channel, 72
(00:59):
Ministries, just go look it up.
72 Ministries, just like this,to equip and empower God's
people to make wholehearteddisciples.
It's free YouTube content aroundleadership, around discipleship,
around apologetics, the defenseof the faith, how to share your
faith, leadership, and more.
And then the coaching arm, wehave coached, I've coached over
the years, over 400 salesprofessionals and then 350
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business owners that I'veadvised in the last 18 years.
I coach people from the coachingarm of 72 Ministries, now from a
professional standpoint for hireto lead with purpose and on
purpose from a place of rest toleave a legacy and a legacy that
means something, right?
unknown (01:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:39):
Well, I mean, it's it's it's uh, you know, we were
just talking a little off camerabeforehand that, you know,
people cut the tie.
There's four general areas youdo it in, which is
relationships, finances, health,and uh, and faith.
And and faith is uh without adoubt the most ignored one.
It's the last to go because it'susually when you're you've
already blown up the otherthree.
Uh and you're like, what's left?
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I heard about this this faiththing.
I'm not gonna say, you know, uhwe were kidding with her.
I'm not gonna go southernpreacher, send me your dollar.
You need that dollar that here'sa we're not talking prosperity
gospel here, brother.
SPEAKER_00 (02:12):
So we're not gonna do that.
SPEAKER_01 (02:13):
We're not gonna talk of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and
John.
No.
Focus on none of them.
SPEAKER_00 (02:17):
Um we'll focus on the the the un unknown book of
time.
SPEAKER_01 (02:23):
Yeah, I always I make the joke, by the way.
Whenever I say something, itdoes mean something.
I'm pretty it's in the Bible,it's toward the back.
SPEAKER_00 (02:29):
You probably have to don't add to it, brother.
There's a warning.
SPEAKER_01 (02:34):
Um Anyway, so so part on track.
SPEAKER_00 (02:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I mean, the faith is such ahuge component, and that's my
story.
Like you're you're saying there,where I was led to my knees.
I didn't grow up in a Christianhome.
Um, but I think that gives me alot of depth, and we'll talk
about that maybe in in a littlewhile.
But whether it's scaling abusiness, refining their sales
process, inspiring team,balancing family and business
ownership, that's what we do at72 Ministries when we're
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coaching somebody.
And that faith component is thefoundation of everything else.
If we don't have that right,we're we're unstable.
SPEAKER_01 (03:06):
Yeah, well, absolutely.
And you know, a couple of mypeople I coach, you know, they
they do financial planning,these most, you know, things
around finances.
Uh, and I think you said there'slike in the in the Bible itself,
there's like over 1,500references to money and that
it's not always negative, it'swhat you do with it and how you
leverage your resources.
And and they take a very, or acouple couple of the people,
they take a very uh client'smind, they they take a
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Christ-first approach or afaith-based approach, meaning
what's your purpose, what legacydo you want to leave for your
family, you're who who you'reknown for, and how do you
leverage your resources to dothat?
Now, we're not gonna get intothat maybe as much today, uh,
but I think that's somethingpeople should realize and be
comfortable with that that's anokay place, I think, to come
from, to say, I'm trying to dosomething with what I've built.
And in often case, this is whereI'd love to get your first take
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on this, is often probably thepeople you coach, their first
initial run at that was notfaith.
It was build, build, build more,more, more, and then they have a
moment.
Uh before we kind of get in theweeds with you a little bit, you
said 70 the number 72ministries.com, or uh is it at
72 Ministries for YouTube?
SPEAKER_00 (04:07):
Uh I don't know.
I'm not a technologically savvydude, but if you just go to the
search bar and type the number72 Ministries, just like it is
on the sweatshirt here, you willfind us and it will be the same
exact logo.
SPEAKER_01 (04:19):
So if you're if you're listening, look for the
good looking guy with glasses.
Okay.
That's a good nice smile.
Um, the the point is, uh, youknow, maybe discuss just in the
context of uh for you initially,uh your journey.
And because I want you to I wantyou to talk about that.
Uh, you know, but first definesuccess.
What is success to you today?
SPEAKER_00 (04:38):
Yeah, so great question.
For me, success is loving Godand loving people, it's using
the gifts that he's given us.
So for me specifically, it'sleadership, teaching, and
knowledge to help build hiskingdom and living to the best
of our ability according to hisword.
So that that's what I woulddefine as success.
My favorite scripture is forwhat will it profit a man if he
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gains the whole world and yetforfeits his soul?
Or what can a man give inexchange for his soul?
And that's Matthew 26, orMatthew 16, 26, excuse me.
And so that that really sums itup.
We can't give anything inexchange for our soul.
Our our success should bemeasured in eternity, beginning
with that end in mind, asStephen Covey says, begin with
the end in mind, knowing that ifwe look out 50 years from now,
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that might seem like a longtime, but when we pass away,
there's an eternity afterward.
And so, what is success witheternity in mind?
SPEAKER_01 (05:30):
I mean, in in theory, right?
You have 50 summers left, right?
You do that, like you get 50more runs.
Hopefully, hopefully.
SPEAKER_00 (05:36):
We don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (05:38):
Uh in in reality, though, since if you think of
it, you know, think of nerdytime, the eternity is between
now and then for you in thecurrent state.
Now, souls, whatever else, themeanings of it.
I don't think I'm gonna see mydad with you know, whatever when
he's gone, I'm gone.
I don't I I don't know aboutthat.
I think it's gonna be more of afeel and there's the energy in
that.
So anyway, so whatever that endsup being, we're not meant to
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understand it.
You know, you don't explain to acockroach there's uh why the
airplane's in the sky, right?
SPEAKER_00 (06:04):
We often think we're much more intelligent than we
are, much more important to theuniverse and to God.
I I mean, so it's a weirdparadigm.
It's a weird um, it's not acontradiction, but it it it's
something where we often thinkwe're very important, much more
important than we are, and weare like the scriptures, the
Bible tells us that we're God'schildren, that we're dearly
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loved, that he counts the hairson our head, that he knit us
together in our mother's womb,that he knew our days before
time began.
It says all those things.
So we're very important.
At the same time, he's gonnaaccomplish his mission with or
without us, right?
The universe is gonna go on,whether I'm here right now, his
kingdom's gonna go on, it'sgonna be built whether I'm here
or not.
And so oftentimes we'lloverestimate our value or our
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importance, and we're we'llunderestimate his value and
importance.
SPEAKER_01 (06:53):
Or significance.
So so we think about things justin just broad terms.
I I believe things can areinfinitely large and infinitely
small.
I think you can see that repeatin the universe, right?
You have suns larger than oursolar system.
You have uh you know things inour bodies and that we still
haven't discovered.
Um everything in between,something has created that, and
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and and you have no we have noidea how big or little it is.
And we're not supposed to.
Uh and so I think thesignificance of the word God,
however you think about it orhowever someone defines it, is
so farther reaching than wepossibly could imagine.
We have our part in it.
We are a terrarium of some sort.
Um it is enjoy what you the thethe fact that we're creatures
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that can at least minuscuallyunderstand that there's more to
it than that, than than outsideof their the, you know, probably
say it's like, you know, does asquirrel know there's a moon?
I have no idea.
SPEAKER_00 (07:49):
Well, well, right.
And so that I mean, that's oneof the important aspects of, you
know, you and I, you're coachingpeople, I'm coaching people,
you're at your stage 49, I'm 36.
There's so much more than wecould ever learn in in 36
lifetimes, 49 lifetimes thanwe'll ever understand.
And so the greatest pursuit thatwe can have, the greatest
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journey that we can ever take,in my opinion, is to explore is
there a God?
And if he is who he says he is,is it the God of the Bible?
Who who is it?
What does that look like?
And then what is our role inthat place?
And we'll spend so much moretime strategizing business and
focusing on putting out businessproblems.
Sorry, I've got three dogs andI've got two of them in here
with me, and she's freaking out.
(08:32):
So if she's if she'sinterrupting you, I apologize.
She's fucked up.
SPEAKER_01 (08:36):
I I wonder why she you're not gonna like get uh,
you know, no one's gonna kick onyour door.
That would be the worst, right?
SPEAKER_00 (08:40):
Right, right, right.
No, so I I'm totally okay if youare.
SPEAKER_01 (08:43):
I'm fine with it.
I'm just making sure that you'reyou're you uh you're fine with
it.
SPEAKER_00 (08:46):
Um, I am.
She does this all the time whenI'm on Zoom calls, so I
apologize to the podcast and allthe listeners.
Uh, she's a five-month-oldpuppy.
It's probably like a it'sprobably Walter Crunkheit dog.
She hears me talk, she wants toget involved, is the thing.
I think that's what it is.
She's trying to talk.
So so I I apologize, but I wouldimplore people that there's
nothing more important thansearching for that purpose and
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searching for their the reasonfor their existence rather than
you know, focusing so much onpolitics, focusing so much on,
you know, the stresses of thisworld, focusing so much on our
jobs even and all these otherproblems.
That again, if you if you takeme out of my um my employer
today, if you take me out of mybusiness, like that business,
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something else will step intothat void, right?
But if you take me out of myfamily, if you take me out of
the mission that God has me on,that that's a different story.
SPEAKER_01 (09:39):
Yeah.
I mean, it's it's uh it's wheresignificance matters uh be a
little bit.
Let's talk about your journey.
Uh, you know, go back towhatever you are, but uh talk
about how you got to where youknow we're sitting here today.
SPEAKER_00 (09:53):
Yeah, man.
So I don't know how far back youwant me to go.
Do you want me to gofaith-based?
SPEAKER_01 (09:57):
Leave the open as possible because it is an in
generally loaded question, Ijust correct.
But if you'd like to.
SPEAKER_00 (10:04):
So I coach people at church on how to share 30-second
testimony.
So I'll do that very quickly.
I didn't grow up in a Christianhome, uh, grew up with a lot of
abuse, a lot of difficulty in mylife.
Parents divorced at a young age,um, ADHD, kicked out of class,
getting in a lot of fights, alot of issues like that, uh,
bitterness, anger, unforgivenesstowards certain individuals.
(10:26):
And uh, when I was about 18, asyou mentioned earlier, we we
were talking, I don't know if itwas before the podcast or on
here, but those different thingsin my life, those different
kingdoms that I had built,whether that was sports, which I
had success in, or whether itwas scholastics, which I had
success in, or whether it wasrelationships, whatever it was,
he allowed all those things tocrumble.
And so I started searching and Icame to know the Lord when I was
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18 years old and have committedmy life to him.
And there's ups and downs andall arounds.
But in an instant, when Icommitted my life to him, he
took away the bitterness, hetook away the unforgiveness, he
took away that anger that I hadalways felt.
And he gave me purpose, he gaveme direct direction, he gave me
vision, he gave me peace, hegave me joy, things that I
hadn't experienced before.
And that's continued to lead me.
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So that's my my testimony from afaith-based side.
If you want to go professional,we can go anywhere from there.
SPEAKER_01 (11:17):
No, I think it's it's I think it's a good place
to start.
Uh, and I and I think the theless I try to find sometimes
lessons for people to listen.
Maybe it's obvious and like, whydoes he say the obvious?
I like to say the obviousbecause sometimes it is the
first one you're here.
So here it is.
Um matter where you are, and II'm not escaping this myself.
Uh you know, I I've said thisbefore, you know, sometimes when
you're stuck in a rut, you know,people left you, people right of
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you above in that rut, can'thelp you out.
Sometimes people kick dirt onyou to keep you there.
Sometimes the answer to get outis looking up and keep moving
forward looking up.
And and the truth is, uh formany that you don't realize it
until you have to, until it'sbrought to you.
But it's where it what's thesaying, so to speak, that's uh
God meets you where you are,meets you where you exactly
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where you need to be.
Uh and I think I think sometimeswhen we look at things like
people get cut the tie, line,it's just the belief, like for
me, it was like the institutionof church still bugs me for the
most part.
The idea of faith and some ofthe teachings are you know, it's
the book's 2,000 years old,people are still talking about
it from at least the Christianside, older for others.
There's there's findings inthere if you can remove people's
agendas from it that are justgood principles generally.
SPEAKER_00 (12:25):
And and listen, hey, hey man, like I don't know if
I've shared this with youbefore, but I come from a Jewish
background.
Like my dad's whole side of thefamily is Jewish.
I didn't know that like that'seven like you know, you've
you've made a whole I I was Iwas terrified to give my life to
the Lord because I I I honestly,honest to God, hated Christians
prior to coming to know theLord.
And then even when I came toknow the Lord, I didn't want to
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become a Christian, I justwanted to follow Jesus.
And so when you talk about theinstitution, but if we look
back, if we look at theHolocaust, Hitler changed the
Bible.
He changed the Bible, he rewrotethe Bible to take out certain
parts to make it look likeJewish people were worse than
they are.
He took out the compassion, hetook out the message, he changed
it, he altered it, right?
If we look at the SpanishInquisition, you got people that
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can't read, that don't have theBible in their language, and
there's a king telling them whatGod is saying.
And that's that wasn't eventrue.
If you look at the crusades,same type of thing.
People who couldn't read, whowere being commanded by kings
and fiefdoms, they were beingtold what to do and what God was
saying and what the truth, itwas being used as an agenda for
power for what other men, humanbeings wanted.
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And so if we take all that awayand we just look at the book and
we pray to God and we build arelationship with Him, which is
what He came to do in the firstplace, was to eradicate and
remove all those institutionsand make it not at a temple, not
through a person, not at aspecific time.
We can have that relationshipanywhere, right?
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That becomes something totallydifferent.
And I had the same exactemotions and feelings.
I didn't know if my family wasgonna disown me.
I didn't know if I was gonna becalled the sellout.
I didn't know, I didn't knowwhat the results were gonna be.
SPEAKER_01 (14:04):
I mean, wouldn't it have been more like schmuck,
like more Yiddish words, wouldthey have like more like Yiddish
at you?
Sure, right?
I I gotta throw humor in onserious things, otherwise I get
emotional.
I just want you to know that Igot to the flux of humans.
SPEAKER_00 (14:15):
You're fine, you're good.
SPEAKER_01 (14:16):
I'm in for it.
I actually from a ties, you'd belike the metaphor ties we talk
about cutting, that's a prettysignificant one.
The biggest one it's the biggesttie.
I don't know what would bebigger, honestly, outside of
Well and Jesus teaches that.
SPEAKER_00 (14:30):
He teaches that.
He he's approached at the templewhen he's in his hometown and
he's sharing the synagogue, andthey say, Hey, look, your mother
and your brothers are outside.
He said, Who are my mother andmy brothers and my sisters?
They're the ones who don't dothe will of God.
Jesus said to put your hand tothe plow and not to look back,
to let the dead bear their owndead.
He says in Matthew that um donot suppose that I came to bring
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peace but the sword to dividefather against son, mother
against daughter, mother-in-lawagainst daughter-in-law, a man's
enemies will be the members ofhis own household.
He came to make a divide, andyou have to make a decision.
He tells a parable of a man whowent out and found a field, and
in that field there was a buriedtreasure, and it was such a
secret treasure, it was such animportant treasure that he was
willing to give up everything hehad, even though people thought
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he was crazy, to go by thatfield.
And that's what it is to give upeverything.
It's the cost of discipleship togive those things up and to
pursue Jesus wholeheartedly.
And there's too many peopletoday that think that they can
still have the things of thisworld to follow Jesus.
You have to give it up.
You have to give up this world,you have to love radically, you
have to love your enemies, youhave to be the type of person
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that is willing to do whateverit takes to follow Jesus.
And I don't mean in like aweird, radical, violent type of
way.
I mean in the type of way whereyou're willing to give up even
your own safety, even your owndesires, everything of yourself,
your own wealth, your own, hereI got this dog here, I'll hold
on to.
But you have to be able to giveup all those things in order, in
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order to follow Jesus.
That's that's the call.
The fishermen gave up theirbusiness.
Matthew gave up his taxcollecting.
All these guys gave up theirformer agendas in order to
follow the Lord.
SPEAKER_01 (16:07):
And they paid uh also like we talked about the
ultimate price for it.
Uh, you know, they were all buttheir work, right?
If you think about what they youdo, if they had state tax
collectors, no one we wouldn'tyou wouldn't know what their
work was or worth was to theworld.
Right.
Now you do to you know, millionsof people.
You think about that.
Like, hey, you're gonna give upyour life, it's gonna be
horrible.
Right.
Physical, like, but youreternity, you know, as long as
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humans are around, I assume.
SPEAKER_00 (16:31):
Um correct.
So for the next 10, 20, 30years, however long you live,
your life might be horrible, butfor eternity, you will have a
legacy that far outweighsanything you could have ever
done on this earth.
SPEAKER_01 (16:42):
I also think uh some of the things you're describing,
right?
Let's say you hit it at 80%.
unknown (16:47):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (16:48):
So let's go with that.
Uh that's a lot of impact.
Let's say, like, yeah, 28%,you're still you could work on.
Yeah.
I I is there a I guess maybeit's a question to you from your
perspective.
Is there room to go from likezero to 40%?
Like, hey, I'm about to do that.
Oh, 100%.
SPEAKER_00 (17:02):
100%.
Every day is a journey, man.
I mean, so when I talk aboutthat that anger, and let me, I
guess I'll pause and clarify.
Are you saying like day oneyou're at zero percent following
the Lord?
And then it might take a lot ofthings.
SPEAKER_01 (17:15):
Well, maybe most you're gonna get to for whatever
reasons, from whatever theinterpretations you have, is
like, I think I can get 80% ofthis right.
Like, I don't know.
Like, like, like I can't givewhatever reason I will give up
this one thing, but I will befull on as much as I can.
I I still I think people I thinkthere's a there's a room because
otherwise people won't do it ifthey feel like they have to be
Well, and so so that's that'sthe thing, right?
SPEAKER_00 (17:36):
There has to be a cost, and that's called the cost
of grace.
And then in this book uh thatI'm reading, The Cost of
Discipleship by DiedrichBonhoeffer, it has to be costly
grace.
Jesus Christ gave up his verylife.
He didn't complain, he neversinned, he never cursed, he
didn't sin in his thoughts, hiswords, or his actions.
And he had that cost to thegrace that is apportioned to us.
And grace is a freely givengift.
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That's that forgiveness.
There's mercy, which isforgiving the punishment, but
there's grace, which is the giftthat we're given.
And so true repentance is a wordmetanoia.
And I just posted this on ourpage on Facebook this week on
Monday.
Uh, I was I was reading anotherbook, but metanoia meta, like
metaverse, means outside, itmeans beyond, beyond annoyia,
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knowledge.
So it's beyond yourself.
You have to become something newwhen we repent.
So metanoia means repentance.
And in English, repentance justmeans regret.
It just means uh, it just means,it just means feeling sorry for
something, but metanoia means tobecome something wholly new.
And so when we become followersof Jesus and his spirit dwells
in us and we've we've committedto following him, our whole
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hearts and our whole liveschange.
The things that we once did thatbrought us pleasure, whether
that was drinking or it was sexor it was something else.
And and sex within marriage isholy and it's good, and that can
bring us pleasure.
But I'm talking about likepursuing uh extramarital affairs
or pornography or these otherthings that that aren't holy,
those things actually grieve us.
And not to the point where wefeel guilt, where we beat
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ourselves up about it becausethat's what grace is for, but it
calls us to change, right?
So, so gluttony, where before wemight have been like, hey man,
I'll smash a whole pizza and anda six case of beer or a six-pack
of beer and I'm eating six casesof beer.
Yeah, yeah.
Six pack of beer and I'mcompletely happy.
I feel no remorse.
I'm excited, like life is good.
I'm I'm satiated.
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And and when you come to knowthe Lord, it's going, that's not
gonna bring me true joy.
That's not gonna bring me truepeace.
What I'm running from is aproblem in my marriage.
It's a problem in my faith, it'sa problem in myself.
And so I need to go to the Lordwith that.
And that's what repentance is ischanging towards that direction
and leaving our flesh.
And so it's a yes, yes, yes, andno, right?
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Like we're never gonna get thatperfectly right.
Never.
However, that repentance saysthat 100% of us is desiring to
go this way, we're gonna fallshort.
And we understand we're gonnafall short, however, we don't
continue to pursue that.
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_01 (20:04):
It does.
What uh so it's on your ownjourney, just so we can uh say
credential it, but uh, how doyou go from commercial to
ministry?
Tell me about that littleswitch.
You got you gotta make money.
It like there, listen, people,if you don't think you need to
make money to get things done inthis world, you're you're
tricking yourself.
You have to make money tosupport these things you want to
do.
And and and so, so be very clearon that.
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That is I uh you need thatbecause uh then you can do
something with it.
How do you though go from I'm incommercial stuff to to become a
ministry?
SPEAKER_00 (20:33):
So scripture talks about building your your
business before you build yourhome.
Okay, so it was very common inbiblical times for a man before
he got engaged, before he gotmarried, to go build a business,
to be a small business owner, tobuild a craft.
And so I've got 18 years ofsales experience.
I've been a logistics manager, II've owned a business in
commercial insurance for 10years.
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So this ministry is funded by myother businesses.
I'm not asking people for moneyto run my ministry.
That's something that I'm doingout of love for God and out of a
calling that I feel He has forme.
That's where the 72 Ministrieswebsite comes from.
And then the coaching side ismonetizing the experience that I
have.
So I've got over, I've got avery diverse background with 18
years of ministry experience,six as a church elder, three
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leading men's ministry.
And our men's ministry is about70 guys that come regularly to
our breakfast, but that's over ahundred guys that it cycles in
and out of.
You know, I mentioned businessownership, but 10 years of board
service and 15 years leadingyouth group, which might sound
kind of weird that I'm includingthat, but you have to keep a
heartbeat on the culture, right?
And so leading youth group, andas as the terms change, as the
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culture changes, as these thingschange, it keeps a leader more
flexible rather than getting setin a current mindset, a current
pattern of belief that, oh, I'vealready got it figured out.
I'm I'm just gonna continuedoing what I'm doing.
Yes, systems and patterns areimportant, and and we need to
continue to follow what's madeus successful, but they can
always be tweaked, they canalways be improved.
SPEAKER_01 (22:01):
And I think that's important.
You gotta, if you come fromwealth, great, whatever, you if
you can do something where youhave a stable base, uh, it's
much harder.
You guys get listen, if you'reby yourself and you wanted to
commit everything to helpingothers and you're you're okay
that you don't have a, you know,you have the minimum you need to
survive, eat what you just it'sgonna be hard to raise a family
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on that.
So when you haveresponsibilities, I I put that
out as an entrepreneur is as youas you pursue faith, it doesn't
have to be all or nothing, butyou do need a foundation of of
uh uh of a way to support ifyou're trying to do more like
what you're doing.
I guess my point being is you'vegot to be able to balance the
stuff that's there now.
Believing faith and how you useit is purpose-driven has nothing
to do with laying into if you'retrying to do more like you're
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doing, you gotta have some basisfund it.
SPEAKER_00 (22:48):
Yeah, it will and and also I mean, scripture tells
us in 1 Timothy 4, like thecredentials to be an elder and a
leader in the church, if youdon't take care of your own
household, that then you're notfit to take care of the church.
It also says that if you don'ttake care of your household, not
in that section, but a differentsection, if you don't take care
of your own household, you'reworse than an unbeliever.
Because even an unbeliever doesthat, right?
Just like scripture says, if youdon't love your neighbor as
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yourself who loves you, right?
That who doesn't do that?
Even your enemy does that.
You have to love your enemy asyourself.
So, so back to that point ofbuilding your business before
your home, building yourbusiness before your ministry.
And don't get me wrong, ifsomebody's called to be a
minister, there are scripturesthat Paul talks about of
supporting ministers in theirjourney.
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And that's part of theimportance of tithing and being
generous and giving back.
At the same time, one of thereasons why I started this
ministry is because 72 comesfrom Luke 10, where Jesus sends
out 72 disciples that don't havea name that we're given, they
don't have a profession thatthey're given, they don't have
an age that they're given.
We don't know anything aboutthem other than Jesus selects
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them and he sends them.
And so these people all haddifferent jobs and they all had
different skill sets, and Jesusstill sent them.
So we're all ministers every dayin our work.
And that's one of the goals ofthe ministry is to equip and
empower God's people to becomewholehearted disciples in their
entire life at their work, attheir home, to be unified with
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their mission, to be unifiedwith the direction of their life
in every essence, not just onSunday for one hour, not just
when they're with their familypraying at the table, but
online, when they're talking toother people, when they're
having discussions with people,when they're at a family event,
when they're at the holidays,all of those times to be unified
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in that way.
And so that's the the YouTubechannel was really born out of
the sense that Tom, you and Iare going to be owning
businesses or working forsomeone else.
And if we're doing that, thatdoesn't leave a ton of time to
go out and become a full-timepastor, right?
We need to lead in that way inall areas of our lives.
SPEAKER_01 (24:52):
And and just you know, just conscious the time so
people understand kind of whatyou do.
Because I've said this up justfrom like uh your beliefs and
what you're doing.
If you've and have listened toit, you don't need to talk about
LinkedIn, but your content onLinkedIn's excellent.
So those listening, check themout on LinkedIn for sure.
Uh because you'll it's really onpoint.
From your coaching standpoint,maybe give me the one critical
problem you solve for me foryour clients.
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Like what's the what is the onething that this is what I do for
you?
SPEAKER_00 (25:18):
I constantly see people out of alignment, right?
So I mentioned earlier thatthere's systems and that's
important.
I see people that need to becomebetter at sales and filling a
pipeline or developing theirsales process or developing
their sales skill.
That's all important.
But really, ultimately, most ofthem are running low on fuel
because they're sprinting aroundtowards all these other things,
trying to put out so many fires,and they're not focusing on
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being at peace with God, beingat peace with themselves, being
at peace in their family, andthen out of that flowing,
flowing with purpose anddirection, right?
So helping them to align allthose things so that when they
show up to work, they can go,okay, that fire, not as
important as I think it is.
We'll work on that, but that'sgoing over here.
This one also really important.
We're not going to work on that.
(26:02):
We're going to focus on this andthen pour into their people,
develop their people, empowertheir people so they can scale
their business and they canhopefully they can cut back.
Maybe they're working 60 to 80hours a week right now.
What if they could work 40?
What if they could work 20?
So I wouldn't say it'snecessarily one thing, but I do
see almost every single one ofthem is out of alignment or they
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say one thing that doesn't alignwith their actions.
And so I hope help hold themaccountable and structure a plan
to do that in faith, in family,in fellowship, with their
finances and with their fitnessin all of those areas.
SPEAKER_01 (26:34):
Yeah.
And I think when I ask, youknow, we work with clients, the
first thing we get to is what isthe critical problem you solve?
And you just described truly acritical problem.
Likely the symptoms are not whythey contact you.
Right.
So there's an underlying, likethat's going to be likely the
solution to those aroundalignment.
Maybe give me a handful of soanyone listening, like, hey,
here's a few symptoms thatusually indicate an alignment
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with the faith overlay on it toit.
Just hard to the in your face,you're listening, no one's
judging you, but this is what'sgoing on, probably in your life.
What are those?
SPEAKER_00 (27:07):
They're struggling in their marriage.
They're at work way too long,they're feeling burnt out.
Uh they're not having theinfluence with their team that
they want.
Or, you know, they can say onething and then their team goes
and does another thing.
Well, why is that?
Um, a lot of different reasons.
They feel like they're working,working, working, and they're
just reinvent, they're they'rereinventing the wheel all the
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time and they're spinning theirwheels.
And so those are all differentsymptoms that they might be out
of alignment because a lot ofentrepreneurs, a lot of business
owners are really good atexecuting or at ideas, but
they're not really good atstrategizing your vision.
And they don't, they don't takeenough time to step back and
look at the whole picture.
And that's where I come in andsay, okay, well, why are you
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really struggling?
These are the symptoms thatyou're dealing with.
What is it really that you'retrying to accomplish?
50 years from now, will youremember this thing?
50 years from now, will thatstill be a problem for you?
50 years from now, is thatreally the biggest deal?
If you're divorced, your kidshate you, you know, all these
other things that happen, peopledon't respect you, but your
business was successful.
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What does that even mean?
What does that even mean?
So let's let's take it back andlet's rebuild from the
foundation.
And sometimes that requires someexcavation to rebuild that up
the right way.
And sometimes another reason whypeople like to work with me is
because I don't really holdback.
I'm respectful, I'mcompassionate, I'm loving.
I'm also a sales guy, a businessowner type A.
And so I'll I'll poke you.
(28:33):
I'll poke you.
And that doesn't happen a lotfor business owners or sales
professionals because growthtypically, right?
SPEAKER_01 (28:39):
Um listen, I'm I'm when I'm trying.
SPEAKER_00 (28:41):
No, though, I was just gonna say that doesn't
happen a lot for those.
SPEAKER_01 (28:44):
No, it doesn't.
I mean, it doesn't, and likewhen I work with my clients,
same thing.
It's like, hey, I'm gonna tellyou the stuff no one's telling
you.
And you're like, and I'm okay ifyou don't like me for it's not
my role.
I roll up to help you do what weset out to do, which is you
know, let's let's get arepeatable system to grow a
business.
Uh and part of that is likewhat's holding you back.
And just be honest.
And like you said, some thingsmight be, you know, even like,
hey, I'm fighting with this orI'm spending more time at work.
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It's like, why?
It's the why question.
Like it's because I whatever.
Um, there's a lot of things thatgo on behind that.
And if you got to get into thosethings sometimes at a deeper
level, and and and this is why Ilike kind of the faith comp uh I
love the faith component becauseit's oftentimes the answer to
get somebody kind of directed ina way that gets them out of some
negative spirals, typically notkeeping them there, it might be
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harder, but uh but is a process,and that goes back to your can
you go from zero to fortypercent, or where is it?
SPEAKER_00 (29:36):
Well, I'll tell you what, at 36, I I feel like I
know less than I did when I was30.
100%.
Right.
I knew what I knew in my 20s,I'd be so smart, right now.
Correct.
And and at 30, so TI, I used tolisten to a lot of rap, but he
says the swagger of a collegekid, right?
Every college kid or highschooler walks around acting
like they know everything,right?
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They they act like they have itall figured out, and now I know
I have even less figured out.
And by the time I'm 40, 46, 56,86, I can only expect that that
will grow.
And so that humility and thatunderstanding of hey, you're a
coach that has a coach, I'm acoach, I've got three coaches.
I need to listen to thoseindividuals that speak into my
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life, and then also submit toGod and his word and his plan.
That as you mentioned, there'sso many different verses on
business, on finances in theBible that if we just open it up
and read them, it's it's notrocket science.
SPEAKER_01 (30:35):
It's it's actually a real chat GPD.
Like, hey, what's going on?
Where's this?
It gives you a bunch.
It's very good at doing that.
Uh yeah.
Listen, thank you so much, bythe way, uh, Dan, for coming on.
Once again, how should someonewell, first of all, who should
get a hold of you specifically?
SPEAKER_00 (30:51):
Yes, so the type the types of people that should get
a hold of me are are gonna bethe types of people that again,
as we mentioned, they're lookingfor something more in their
life, they're feeling likethey're out of alignment,
there's something that they'remissing, whether it's in their
marriage, it's in theirbusiness, they're traveling a
lot for work, or perhaps they'respending too many hours at work,
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and they just a lot of peoplefeel very successful in one
space, right?
They feel very successful atwork, and so then that's where
they focus.
They they drop the ball at home.
I'm just gonna ignore that andgo to work, and I'm doing really
well there.
Drop the ball with their kid,I'm just gonna focus on work and
continue moving in that vein.
So those people that are reallyfeeling out of alignment and
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know that there's something elseout there for them, there's a
bigger purpose, and they're juststruggling to find out what it
is, or two, to stay accountableto what that is.
SPEAKER_01 (31:42):
That's great.
I know.
So there's a question I shouldhave asked you today and I
didn't.
What would that question havebeen?
SPEAKER_00 (31:48):
There's a question that you should have asked me
today that you didn't.
Hmm.
You know, you you would ask inin the pre-podcast questions,
what am I most thankful for?
And I think that gratitude is asignificant reason why a lot of
people don't succeed or why theyfeel so much disalignment in
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their life because they don'tthey don't have that gratitude.
And so I thank God every morningI start with thanking him for
three different things.
I thank him for his mercy, Ithank you for grace, I thank you
for salvation, Lord.
Those are the things that Ithank him for.
And then I ask him, what is thenext step?
What is the next step for mylife?
And so I know and I trulybelieve that he lived a perfect
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life, that he gave himselffreely and willingly on the
cross and died and rose again,conquering sin and death so that
we can all be saved, so that wecan have perfect peace, we can
have perfect joy, we can havevision and purpose and direction
in our life and hope, and sothat we can have a relationship
with our Father God.
So I know I'm I'm not perfect,and and none of us ever can be
or will be.
We all sin, but each day, as wetalked about, is an opportunity
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to draw closer to Him and anopportunity to pick up our
cross, an opportunity to be morecompassionate, speak the truth
in love, surrender to God.
So those are all things thathelp me lead better in my
personal walk, in my marriage,in my business and beyond.
And that's why I truly believe Ihave two thriving businesses and
a thriving ministry and athriving marriage.
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And and I I couldn't do anythingwithout God.
So I'm just very grateful.
And I love that question whenyou posed it in the interview
questions.
SPEAKER_01 (33:28):
Dan, thank you so much for coming on today.
Appreciate you.
SPEAKER_00 (33:31):
Yeah, man.
I appreciate you too, brother.
SPEAKER_01 (33:33):
Listen, everybody who made it this point in the
show, you rock.
Uh, I do appreciate every uhlistener and viewer that we
have.
And if if you've uh been herebefore, you've probably say
this.
And if you haven't, I do hopeyou you come back to hear me say
it again.
Get out there, go cut a tie tosomething holding you back.
Um, you know, something infaith, something holding you
back from your finances and oryour relationships, your health.
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Pick one, start working at it.
You don't have to go zero to ahundred, just chip away at it
every day at 1%, and you'll getthere.
Thanks for listening.
Welcome to the Cut the Tie Podcast.
Hello.
I'm your host, Thomas Hilfric.
I'm already laughing.
It's gonna be it's gonna be adeep this show.
This show is gonna have anemotional ride today.
With uh, you know, brought youtoday.
Dan Rosenblatt's gonna join us.
Uh if you've you've heard mebefore, I changed my intro just
slightly there because it's anew world.
And I want you those still,though, to get out there.
Cut a tie to whatever it isholding you back from success.
(00:22):
And now you have to own your ownsuccess.
You have to define it.
If you don't, you're chasingsomeone else's dream, and you're
gonna be a bit hollow when youget there.
So we're gonna we're talkingwith Dan.
Dan, uh, thanks for comingtoday.
Just take a moment, introduceyourself, where you're from, and
what it is you do.
SPEAKER_00 (00:37):
Thanks, brother.
I appreciate the opportunity tobe here.
And my name is Dan Rosenblattwith 72 Ministries.
I own a commercial insurancefranchise as well.
I've been doing that for 10years, uh helping small business
owners out with life insurance,business insurance, disability
insurance, that kind of thing.
But recently launched 72Ministries from a coaching
perspective and then from aministry perspective.
So, our ministry perspective, wehave a YouTube channel, 72
(00:59):
Ministries, just go look it up.
72 Ministries, just like this,to equip and empower God's
people to make wholehearteddisciples.
It's free YouTube content aroundleadership, around discipleship,
around apologetics, the defenseof the faith, how to share your
faith, leadership, and more.
And then the coaching arm, wehave coached, I've coached over
the years, over 400 salesprofessionals and then 350
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business owners that I'veadvised in the last 18 years.
I coach people from the coachingarm of 72 Ministries, now from a
professional standpoint for hireto lead with purpose and on
purpose from a place of rest toleave a legacy and a legacy that
means something, right?
unknown (01:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:39):
Well, I mean, it's it's it's uh, you know, we were
just talking a little off camerabeforehand that, you know,
people cut the tie.
There's four general areas youdo it in, which is
relationships, finances, health,and uh, and faith.
And and faith is uh without adoubt the most ignored one.
It's the last to go because it'susually when you're you've
already blown up the otherthree.
Uh and you're like, what's left?
(02:00):
I heard about this this faiththing.
I'm not gonna say, you know, uhwe were kidding with her.
I'm not gonna go southernpreacher, send me your dollar.
You need that dollar that here'sa we're not talking prosperity
gospel here, brother.
SPEAKER_00 (02:12):
So we're not gonna do that.
SPEAKER_01 (02:13):
We're not gonna talk of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and
John.
No.
Focus on none of them.
SPEAKER_00 (02:17):
Um we'll focus on the the the un unknown book of
time.
SPEAKER_01 (02:23):
Yeah, I always I make the joke, by the way.
Whenever I say something, itdoes mean something.
I'm pretty it's in the Bible,it's toward the back.
SPEAKER_00 (02:29):
You probably have to don't add to it, brother.
There's a warning.
SPEAKER_01 (02:34):
Um Anyway, so so part on track.
SPEAKER_00 (02:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I mean, the faith is such ahuge component, and that's my
story.
Like you're you're saying there,where I was led to my knees.
I didn't grow up in a Christianhome.
Um, but I think that gives me alot of depth, and we'll talk
about that maybe in in a littlewhile.
But whether it's scaling abusiness, refining their sales
process, inspiring team,balancing family and business
ownership, that's what we do at72 Ministries when we're
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coaching somebody.
And that faith component is thefoundation of everything else.
If we don't have that right,we're we're unstable.
SPEAKER_01 (03:06):
Yeah, well, absolutely.
And you know, a couple of mypeople I coach, you know, they
they do financial planning,these most, you know, things
around finances.
Uh, and I think you said there'slike in the in the Bible itself,
there's like over 1,500references to money and that
it's not always negative, it'swhat you do with it and how you
leverage your resources.
And and they take a very, or acouple couple of the people,
they take a very uh client'smind, they they take a
(03:28):
Christ-first approach or afaith-based approach, meaning
what's your purpose, what legacydo you want to leave for your
family, you're who who you'reknown for, and how do you
leverage your resources to dothat?
Now, we're not gonna get intothat maybe as much today, uh,
but I think that's somethingpeople should realize and be
comfortable with that that's anokay place, I think, to come
from, to say, I'm trying to dosomething with what I've built.
And in often case, this is whereI'd love to get your first take
(03:50):
on this, is often probably thepeople you coach, their first
initial run at that was notfaith.
It was build, build, build more,more, more, and then they have a
moment.
Uh before we kind of get in theweeds with you a little bit, you
said 70 the number 72ministries.com, or uh is it at
72 Ministries for YouTube?
SPEAKER_00 (04:07):
Uh I don't know.
I'm not a technologically savvydude, but if you just go to the
search bar and type the number72 Ministries, just like it is
on the sweatshirt here, you willfind us and it will be the same
exact logo.
SPEAKER_01 (04:19):
So if you're if you're listening, look for the
good looking guy with glasses.
Okay.
That's a good nice smile.
Um, the the point is, uh, youknow, maybe discuss just in the
context of uh for you initially,uh your journey.
And because I want you to I wantyou to talk about that.
Uh, you know, but first definesuccess.
What is success to you today?
SPEAKER_00 (04:38):
Yeah, so great question.
For me, success is loving Godand loving people, it's using
the gifts that he's given us.
So for me specifically, it'sleadership, teaching, and
knowledge to help build hiskingdom and living to the best
of our ability according to hisword.
So that that's what I woulddefine as success.
My favorite scripture is forwhat will it profit a man if he
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gains the whole world and yetforfeits his soul?
Or what can a man give inexchange for his soul?
And that's Matthew 26, orMatthew 16, 26, excuse me.
And so that that really sums itup.
We can't give anything inexchange for our soul.
Our our success should bemeasured in eternity, beginning
with that end in mind, asStephen Covey says, begin with
the end in mind, knowing that ifwe look out 50 years from now,
(05:22):
that might seem like a longtime, but when we pass away,
there's an eternity afterward.
And so, what is success witheternity in mind?
SPEAKER_01 (05:30):
I mean, in in theory, right?
You have 50 summers left, right?
You do that, like you get 50more runs.
Hopefully, hopefully.
SPEAKER_00 (05:36):
We don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (05:38):
Uh in in reality, though, since if you think of
it, you know, think of nerdytime, the eternity is between
now and then for you in thecurrent state.
Now, souls, whatever else, themeanings of it.
I don't think I'm gonna see mydad with you know, whatever when
he's gone, I'm gone.
I don't I I don't know aboutthat.
I think it's gonna be more of afeel and there's the energy in
that.
So anyway, so whatever that endsup being, we're not meant to
(05:59):
understand it.
You know, you don't explain to acockroach there's uh why the
airplane's in the sky, right?
SPEAKER_00 (06:04):
We often think we're much more intelligent than we
are, much more important to theuniverse and to God.
I I mean, so it's a weirdparadigm.
It's a weird um, it's not acontradiction, but it it it's
something where we often thinkwe're very important, much more
important than we are, and weare like the scriptures, the
Bible tells us that we're God'schildren, that we're dearly
(06:24):
loved, that he counts the hairson our head, that he knit us
together in our mother's womb,that he knew our days before
time began.
It says all those things.
So we're very important.
At the same time, he's gonnaaccomplish his mission with or
without us, right?
The universe is gonna go on,whether I'm here right now, his
kingdom's gonna go on, it'sgonna be built whether I'm here
or not.
And so oftentimes we'lloverestimate our value or our
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importance, and we're we'llunderestimate his value and
importance.
SPEAKER_01 (06:53):
Or significance.
So so we think about things justin just broad terms.
I I believe things can areinfinitely large and infinitely
small.
I think you can see that repeatin the universe, right?
You have suns larger than oursolar system.
You have uh you know things inour bodies and that we still
haven't discovered.
Um everything in between,something has created that, and
(07:15):
and and you have no we have noidea how big or little it is.
And we're not supposed to.
Uh and so I think thesignificance of the word God,
however you think about it orhowever someone defines it, is
so farther reaching than wepossibly could imagine.
We have our part in it.
We are a terrarium of some sort.
Um it is enjoy what you the thethe fact that we're creatures
(07:39):
that can at least minuscuallyunderstand that there's more to
it than that, than than outsideof their the, you know, probably
say it's like, you know, does asquirrel know there's a moon?
I have no idea.
SPEAKER_00 (07:49):
Well, well, right.
And so that I mean, that's oneof the important aspects of, you
know, you and I, you're coachingpeople, I'm coaching people,
you're at your stage 49, I'm 36.
There's so much more than wecould ever learn in in 36
lifetimes, 49 lifetimes thanwe'll ever understand.
And so the greatest pursuit thatwe can have, the greatest
(08:11):
journey that we can ever take,in my opinion, is to explore is
there a God?
And if he is who he says he is,is it the God of the Bible?
Who who is it?
What does that look like?
And then what is our role inthat place?
And we'll spend so much moretime strategizing business and
focusing on putting out businessproblems.
Sorry, I've got three dogs andI've got two of them in here
with me, and she's freaking out.
(08:32):
So if she's if she'sinterrupting you, I apologize.
She's fucked up.
SPEAKER_01 (08:36):
I I wonder why she you're not gonna like get uh,
you know, no one's gonna kick onyour door.
That would be the worst, right?
SPEAKER_00 (08:40):
Right, right, right.
No, so I I'm totally okay if youare.
SPEAKER_01 (08:43):
I'm fine with it.
I'm just making sure that you'reyou're you uh you're fine with
it.
SPEAKER_00 (08:46):
Um, I am.
She does this all the time whenI'm on Zoom calls, so I
apologize to the podcast and allthe listeners.
Uh, she's a five-month-oldpuppy.
It's probably like a it'sprobably Walter Crunkheit dog.
She hears me talk, she wants toget involved, is the thing.
I think that's what it is.
She's trying to talk.
So so I I apologize, but I wouldimplore people that there's
nothing more important thansearching for that purpose and
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searching for their the reasonfor their existence rather than
you know, focusing so much onpolitics, focusing so much on,
you know, the stresses of thisworld, focusing so much on our
jobs even and all these otherproblems.
That again, if you if you takeme out of my um my employer
today, if you take me out of mybusiness, like that business,
(09:30):
something else will step intothat void, right?
But if you take me out of myfamily, if you take me out of
the mission that God has me on,that that's a different story.
SPEAKER_01 (09:39):
Yeah.
I mean, it's it's uh it's wheresignificance matters uh be a
little bit.
Let's talk about your journey.
Uh, you know, go back towhatever you are, but uh talk
about how you got to where youknow we're sitting here today.
SPEAKER_00 (09:53):
Yeah, man.
So I don't know how far back youwant me to go.
Do you want me to gofaith-based?
SPEAKER_01 (09:57):
Leave the open as possible because it is an in
generally loaded question, Ijust correct.
But if you'd like to.
SPEAKER_00 (10:04):
So I coach people at church on how to share 30-second
testimony.
So I'll do that very quickly.
I didn't grow up in a Christianhome, uh, grew up with a lot of
abuse, a lot of difficulty in mylife.
Parents divorced at a young age,um, ADHD, kicked out of class,
getting in a lot of fights, alot of issues like that, uh,
bitterness, anger, unforgivenesstowards certain individuals.
(10:26):
And uh, when I was about 18, asyou mentioned earlier, we we
were talking, I don't know if itwas before the podcast or on
here, but those different thingsin my life, those different
kingdoms that I had built,whether that was sports, which I
had success in, or whether itwas scholastics, which I had
success in, or whether it wasrelationships, whatever it was,
he allowed all those things tocrumble.
And so I started searching and Icame to know the Lord when I was
(10:50):
18 years old and have committedmy life to him.
And there's ups and downs andall arounds.
But in an instant, when Icommitted my life to him, he
took away the bitterness, hetook away the unforgiveness, he
took away that anger that I hadalways felt.
And he gave me purpose, he gaveme direct direction, he gave me
vision, he gave me peace, hegave me joy, things that I
hadn't experienced before.
And that's continued to lead me.
(11:10):
So that's my my testimony from afaith-based side.
If you want to go professional,we can go anywhere from there.
SPEAKER_01 (11:17):
No, I think it's it's I think it's a good place
to start.
Uh, and I and I think the theless I try to find sometimes
lessons for people to listen.
Maybe it's obvious and like, whydoes he say the obvious?
I like to say the obviousbecause sometimes it is the
first one you're here.
So here it is.
Um matter where you are, and II'm not escaping this myself.
Uh you know, I I've said thisbefore, you know, sometimes when
you're stuck in a rut, you know,people left you, people right of
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you above in that rut, can'thelp you out.
Sometimes people kick dirt onyou to keep you there.
Sometimes the answer to get outis looking up and keep moving
forward looking up.
And and the truth is, uh formany that you don't realize it
until you have to, until it'sbrought to you.
But it's where it what's thesaying, so to speak, that's uh
God meets you where you are,meets you where you exactly
(12:03):
where you need to be.
Uh and I think I think sometimeswhen we look at things like
people get cut the tie, line,it's just the belief, like for
me, it was like the institutionof church still bugs me for the
most part.
The idea of faith and some ofthe teachings are you know, it's
the book's 2,000 years old,people are still talking about
it from at least the Christianside, older for others.
There's there's findings inthere if you can remove people's
agendas from it that are justgood principles generally.
SPEAKER_00 (12:25):
And and listen, hey, hey man, like I don't know if
I've shared this with youbefore, but I come from a Jewish
background.
Like my dad's whole side of thefamily is Jewish.
I didn't know that like that'seven like you know, you've
you've made a whole I I was Iwas terrified to give my life to
the Lord because I I I honestly,honest to God, hated Christians
prior to coming to know theLord.
And then even when I came toknow the Lord, I didn't want to
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become a Christian, I justwanted to follow Jesus.
And so when you talk about theinstitution, but if we look
back, if we look at theHolocaust, Hitler changed the
Bible.
He changed the Bible, he rewrotethe Bible to take out certain
parts to make it look likeJewish people were worse than
they are.
He took out the compassion, hetook out the message, he changed
it, he altered it, right?
If we look at the SpanishInquisition, you got people that
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can't read, that don't have theBible in their language, and
there's a king telling them whatGod is saying.
And that's that wasn't eventrue.
If you look at the crusades,same type of thing.
People who couldn't read, whowere being commanded by kings
and fiefdoms, they were beingtold what to do and what God was
saying and what the truth, itwas being used as an agenda for
power for what other men, humanbeings wanted.
(13:30):
And so if we take all that awayand we just look at the book and
we pray to God and we build arelationship with Him, which is
what He came to do in the firstplace, was to eradicate and
remove all those institutionsand make it not at a temple, not
through a person, not at aspecific time.
We can have that relationshipanywhere, right?
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That becomes something totallydifferent.
And I had the same exactemotions and feelings.
I didn't know if my family wasgonna disown me.
I didn't know if I was gonna becalled the sellout.
I didn't know, I didn't knowwhat the results were gonna be.
SPEAKER_01 (14:04):
I mean, wouldn't it have been more like schmuck,
like more Yiddish words, wouldthey have like more like Yiddish
at you?
Sure, right?
I I gotta throw humor in onserious things, otherwise I get
emotional.
I just want you to know that Igot to the flux of humans.
SPEAKER_00 (14:15):
You're fine, you're good.
SPEAKER_01 (14:16):
I'm in for it.
I actually from a ties, you'd belike the metaphor ties we talk
about cutting, that's a prettysignificant one.
The biggest one it's the biggesttie.
I don't know what would bebigger, honestly, outside of
Well and Jesus teaches that.
SPEAKER_00 (14:30):
He teaches that.
He he's approached at the templewhen he's in his hometown and
he's sharing the synagogue, andthey say, Hey, look, your mother
and your brothers are outside.
He said, Who are my mother andmy brothers and my sisters?
They're the ones who don't dothe will of God.
Jesus said to put your hand tothe plow and not to look back,
to let the dead bear their owndead.
He says in Matthew that um donot suppose that I came to bring
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peace but the sword to dividefather against son, mother
against daughter, mother-in-lawagainst daughter-in-law, a man's
enemies will be the members ofhis own household.
He came to make a divide, andyou have to make a decision.
He tells a parable of a man whowent out and found a field, and
in that field there was a buriedtreasure, and it was such a
secret treasure, it was such animportant treasure that he was
willing to give up everything hehad, even though people thought
(15:15):
he was crazy, to go by thatfield.
And that's what it is to give upeverything.
It's the cost of discipleship togive those things up and to
pursue Jesus wholeheartedly.
And there's too many peopletoday that think that they can
still have the things of thisworld to follow Jesus.
You have to give it up.
You have to give up this world,you have to love radically, you
have to love your enemies, youhave to be the type of person
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that is willing to do whateverit takes to follow Jesus.
And I don't mean in like aweird, radical, violent type of
way.
I mean in the type of way whereyou're willing to give up even
your own safety, even your owndesires, everything of yourself,
your own wealth, your own, hereI got this dog here, I'll hold
on to.
But you have to be able to giveup all those things in order, in
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order to follow Jesus.
That's that's the call.
The fishermen gave up theirbusiness.
Matthew gave up his taxcollecting.
All these guys gave up theirformer agendas in order to
follow the Lord.
SPEAKER_01 (16:07):
And they paid uh also like we talked about the
ultimate price for it.
Uh, you know, they were all buttheir work, right?
If you think about what they youdo, if they had state tax
collectors, no one we wouldn'tyou wouldn't know what their
work was or worth was to theworld.
Right.
Now you do to you know, millionsof people.
You think about that.
Like, hey, you're gonna give upyour life, it's gonna be
horrible.
Right.
Physical, like, but youreternity, you know, as long as
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humans are around, I assume.
SPEAKER_00 (16:31):
Um correct.
So for the next 10, 20, 30years, however long you live,
your life might be horrible, butfor eternity, you will have a
legacy that far outweighsanything you could have ever
done on this earth.
SPEAKER_01 (16:42):
I also think uh some of the things you're describing,
right?
Let's say you hit it at 80%.
unknown (16:47):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (16:48):
So let's go with that.
Uh that's a lot of impact.
Let's say, like, yeah, 28%,you're still you could work on.
Yeah.
I I is there a I guess maybeit's a question to you from your
perspective.
Is there room to go from likezero to 40%?
Like, hey, I'm about to do that.
Oh, 100%.
SPEAKER_00 (17:02):
100%.
Every day is a journey, man.
I mean, so when I talk aboutthat that anger, and let me, I
guess I'll pause and clarify.
Are you saying like day oneyou're at zero percent following
the Lord?
And then it might take a lot ofthings.
SPEAKER_01 (17:15):
Well, maybe most you're gonna get to for whatever
reasons, from whatever theinterpretations you have, is
like, I think I can get 80% ofthis right.
Like, I don't know.
Like, like, like I can't givewhatever reason I will give up
this one thing, but I will befull on as much as I can.
I I still I think people I thinkthere's a there's a room because
otherwise people won't do it ifthey feel like they have to be
Well, and so so that's that'sthe thing, right?
SPEAKER_00 (17:36):
There has to be a cost, and that's called the cost
of grace.
And then in this book uh thatI'm reading, The Cost of
Discipleship by DiedrichBonhoeffer, it has to be costly
grace.
Jesus Christ gave up his verylife.
He didn't complain, he neversinned, he never cursed, he
didn't sin in his thoughts, hiswords, or his actions.
And he had that cost to thegrace that is apportioned to us.
And grace is a freely givengift.
(17:58):
That's that forgiveness.
There's mercy, which isforgiving the punishment, but
there's grace, which is the giftthat we're given.
And so true repentance is a wordmetanoia.
And I just posted this on ourpage on Facebook this week on
Monday.
Uh, I was I was reading anotherbook, but metanoia meta, like
metaverse, means outside, itmeans beyond, beyond annoyia,
(18:21):
knowledge.
So it's beyond yourself.
You have to become something newwhen we repent.
So metanoia means repentance.
And in English, repentance justmeans regret.
It just means uh, it just means,it just means feeling sorry for
something, but metanoia means tobecome something wholly new.
And so when we become followersof Jesus and his spirit dwells
in us and we've we've committedto following him, our whole
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hearts and our whole liveschange.
The things that we once did thatbrought us pleasure, whether
that was drinking or it was sexor it was something else.
And and sex within marriage isholy and it's good, and that can
bring us pleasure.
But I'm talking about likepursuing uh extramarital affairs
or pornography or these otherthings that that aren't holy,
those things actually grieve us.
And not to the point where wefeel guilt, where we beat
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ourselves up about it becausethat's what grace is for, but it
calls us to change, right?
So, so gluttony, where before wemight have been like, hey man,
I'll smash a whole pizza and anda six case of beer or a six-pack
of beer and I'm eating six casesof beer.
Yeah, yeah.
Six pack of beer and I'mcompletely happy.
I feel no remorse.
I'm excited, like life is good.
I'm I'm satiated.
(19:27):
And and when you come to knowthe Lord, it's going, that's not
gonna bring me true joy.
That's not gonna bring me truepeace.
What I'm running from is aproblem in my marriage.
It's a problem in my faith, it'sa problem in myself.
And so I need to go to the Lordwith that.
And that's what repentance is ischanging towards that direction
and leaving our flesh.
And so it's a yes, yes, yes, andno, right?
(19:51):
Like we're never gonna get thatperfectly right.
Never.
However, that repentance saysthat 100% of us is desiring to
go this way, we're gonna fallshort.
And we understand we're gonnafall short, however, we don't
continue to pursue that.
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_01 (20:04):
It does.
What uh so it's on your ownjourney, just so we can uh say
credential it, but uh, how doyou go from commercial to
ministry?
Tell me about that littleswitch.
You got you gotta make money.
It like there, listen, people,if you don't think you need to
make money to get things done inthis world, you're you're
tricking yourself.
You have to make money tosupport these things you want to
do.
And and and so, so be very clearon that.
(20:25):
That is I uh you need thatbecause uh then you can do
something with it.
How do you though go from I'm incommercial stuff to to become a
ministry?
SPEAKER_00 (20:33):
So scripture talks about building your your
business before you build yourhome.
Okay, so it was very common inbiblical times for a man before
he got engaged, before he gotmarried, to go build a business,
to be a small business owner, tobuild a craft.
And so I've got 18 years ofsales experience.
I've been a logistics manager, II've owned a business in
commercial insurance for 10years.
(20:54):
So this ministry is funded by myother businesses.
I'm not asking people for moneyto run my ministry.
That's something that I'm doingout of love for God and out of a
calling that I feel He has forme.
That's where the 72 Ministrieswebsite comes from.
And then the coaching side ismonetizing the experience that I
have.
So I've got over, I've got avery diverse background with 18
years of ministry experience,six as a church elder, three
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leading men's ministry.
And our men's ministry is about70 guys that come regularly to
our breakfast, but that's over ahundred guys that it cycles in
and out of.
You know, I mentioned businessownership, but 10 years of board
service and 15 years leadingyouth group, which might sound
kind of weird that I'm includingthat, but you have to keep a
heartbeat on the culture, right?
And so leading youth group, andas as the terms change, as the
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culture changes, as these thingschange, it keeps a leader more
flexible rather than getting setin a current mindset, a current
pattern of belief that, oh, I'vealready got it figured out.
I'm I'm just gonna continuedoing what I'm doing.
Yes, systems and patterns areimportant, and and we need to
continue to follow what's madeus successful, but they can
always be tweaked, they canalways be improved.
SPEAKER_01 (22:01):
And I think that's important.
You gotta, if you come fromwealth, great, whatever, you if
you can do something where youhave a stable base, uh, it's
much harder.
You guys get listen, if you'reby yourself and you wanted to
commit everything to helpingothers and you're you're okay
that you don't have a, you know,you have the minimum you need to
survive, eat what you just it'sgonna be hard to raise a family
(22:22):
on that.
So when you haveresponsibilities, I I put that
out as an entrepreneur is as youas you pursue faith, it doesn't
have to be all or nothing, butyou do need a foundation of of
uh uh of a way to support ifyou're trying to do more like
what you're doing.
I guess my point being is you'vegot to be able to balance the
stuff that's there now.
Believing faith and how you useit is purpose-driven has nothing
to do with laying into if you'retrying to do more like you're
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doing, you gotta have some basisfund it.
SPEAKER_00 (22:48):
Yeah, it will and and also I mean, scripture tells
us in 1 Timothy 4, like thecredentials to be an elder and a
leader in the church, if youdon't take care of your own
household, that then you're notfit to take care of the church.
It also says that if you don'ttake care of your household, not
in that section, but a differentsection, if you don't take care
of your own household, you'reworse than an unbeliever.
Because even an unbeliever doesthat, right?
Just like scripture says, if youdon't love your neighbor as
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yourself who loves you, right?
That who doesn't do that?
Even your enemy does that.
You have to love your enemy asyourself.
So, so back to that point ofbuilding your business before
your home, building yourbusiness before your ministry.
And don't get me wrong, ifsomebody's called to be a
minister, there are scripturesthat Paul talks about of
supporting ministers in theirjourney.
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And that's part of theimportance of tithing and being
generous and giving back.
At the same time, one of thereasons why I started this
ministry is because 72 comesfrom Luke 10, where Jesus sends
out 72 disciples that don't havea name that we're given, they
don't have a profession thatthey're given, they don't have
an age that they're given.
We don't know anything aboutthem other than Jesus selects
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them and he sends them.
And so these people all haddifferent jobs and they all had
different skill sets, and Jesusstill sent them.
So we're all ministers every dayin our work.
And that's one of the goals ofthe ministry is to equip and
empower God's people to becomewholehearted disciples in their
entire life at their work, attheir home, to be unified with
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their mission, to be unifiedwith the direction of their life
in every essence, not just onSunday for one hour, not just
when they're with their familypraying at the table, but
online, when they're talking toother people, when they're
having discussions with people,when they're at a family event,
when they're at the holidays,all of those times to be unified
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in that way.
And so that's the the YouTubechannel was really born out of
the sense that Tom, you and Iare going to be owning
businesses or working forsomeone else.
And if we're doing that, thatdoesn't leave a ton of time to
go out and become a full-timepastor, right?
We need to lead in that way inall areas of our lives.
SPEAKER_01 (24:52):
And and just you know, just conscious the time so
people understand kind of whatyou do.
Because I've said this up justfrom like uh your beliefs and
what you're doing.
If you've and have listened toit, you don't need to talk about
LinkedIn, but your content onLinkedIn's excellent.
So those listening, check themout on LinkedIn for sure.
Uh because you'll it's really onpoint.
From your coaching standpoint,maybe give me the one critical
problem you solve for me foryour clients.
(25:15):
Like what's the what is the onething that this is what I do for
you?
SPEAKER_00 (25:18):
I constantly see people out of alignment, right?
So I mentioned earlier thatthere's systems and that's
important.
I see people that need to becomebetter at sales and filling a
pipeline or developing theirsales process or developing
their sales skill.
That's all important.
But really, ultimately, most ofthem are running low on fuel
because they're sprinting aroundtowards all these other things,
trying to put out so many fires,and they're not focusing on
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being at peace with God, beingat peace with themselves, being
at peace in their family, andthen out of that flowing,
flowing with purpose anddirection, right?
So helping them to align allthose things so that when they
show up to work, they can go,okay, that fire, not as
important as I think it is.
We'll work on that, but that'sgoing over here.
This one also really important.
We're not going to work on that.
(26:02):
We're going to focus on this andthen pour into their people,
develop their people, empowertheir people so they can scale
their business and they canhopefully they can cut back.
Maybe they're working 60 to 80hours a week right now.
What if they could work 40?
What if they could work 20?
So I wouldn't say it'snecessarily one thing, but I do
see almost every single one ofthem is out of alignment or they
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say one thing that doesn't alignwith their actions.
And so I hope help hold themaccountable and structure a plan
to do that in faith, in family,in fellowship, with their
finances and with their fitnessin all of those areas.
SPEAKER_01 (26:34):
Yeah.
And I think when I ask, youknow, we work with clients, the
first thing we get to is what isthe critical problem you solve?
And you just described truly acritical problem.
Likely the symptoms are not whythey contact you.
Right.
So there's an underlying, likethat's going to be likely the
solution to those aroundalignment.
Maybe give me a handful of soanyone listening, like, hey,
here's a few symptoms thatusually indicate an alignment
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with the faith overlay on it toit.
Just hard to the in your face,you're listening, no one's
judging you, but this is what'sgoing on, probably in your life.
What are those?
SPEAKER_00 (27:07):
They're struggling in their marriage.
They're at work way too long,they're feeling burnt out.
Uh they're not having theinfluence with their team that
they want.
Or, you know, they can say onething and then their team goes
and does another thing.
Well, why is that?
Um, a lot of different reasons.
They feel like they're working,working, working, and they're
just reinvent, they're they'rereinventing the wheel all the
(27:29):
time and they're spinning theirwheels.
And so those are all differentsymptoms that they might be out
of alignment because a lot ofentrepreneurs, a lot of business
owners are really good atexecuting or at ideas, but
they're not really good atstrategizing your vision.
And they don't, they don't takeenough time to step back and
look at the whole picture.
And that's where I come in andsay, okay, well, why are you
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really struggling?
These are the symptoms thatyou're dealing with.
What is it really that you'retrying to accomplish?
50 years from now, will youremember this thing?
50 years from now, will thatstill be a problem for you?
50 years from now, is thatreally the biggest deal?
If you're divorced, your kidshate you, you know, all these
other things that happen, peopledon't respect you, but your
business was successful.
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What does that even mean?
What does that even mean?
So let's let's take it back andlet's rebuild from the
foundation.
And sometimes that requires someexcavation to rebuild that up
the right way.
And sometimes another reason whypeople like to work with me is
because I don't really holdback.
I'm respectful, I'mcompassionate, I'm loving.
I'm also a sales guy, a businessowner type A.
And so I'll I'll poke you.
(28:33):
I'll poke you.
And that doesn't happen a lotfor business owners or sales
professionals because growthtypically, right?
SPEAKER_01 (28:39):
Um listen, I'm I'm when I'm trying.
SPEAKER_00 (28:41):
No, though, I was just gonna say that doesn't
happen a lot for those.
SPEAKER_01 (28:44):
No, it doesn't.
I mean, it doesn't, and likewhen I work with my clients,
same thing.
It's like, hey, I'm gonna tellyou the stuff no one's telling
you.
And you're like, and I'm okay ifyou don't like me for it's not
my role.
I roll up to help you do what weset out to do, which is you
know, let's let's get arepeatable system to grow a
business.
Uh and part of that is likewhat's holding you back.
And just be honest.
And like you said, some thingsmight be, you know, even like,
hey, I'm fighting with this orI'm spending more time at work.
(29:06):
It's like, why?
It's the why question.
Like it's because I whatever.
Um, there's a lot of things thatgo on behind that.
And if you got to get into thosethings sometimes at a deeper
level, and and and this is why Ilike kind of the faith comp uh I
love the faith component becauseit's oftentimes the answer to
get somebody kind of directed ina way that gets them out of some
negative spirals, typically notkeeping them there, it might be
(29:28):
harder, but uh but is a process,and that goes back to your can
you go from zero to fortypercent, or where is it?
SPEAKER_00 (29:36):
Well, I'll tell you what, at 36, I I feel like I
know less than I did when I was30.
100%.
Right.
I knew what I knew in my 20s,I'd be so smart, right now.
Correct.
And and at 30, so TI, I used tolisten to a lot of rap, but he
says the swagger of a collegekid, right?
Every college kid or highschooler walks around acting
like they know everything,right?
(29:58):
They they act like they have itall figured out, and now I know
I have even less figured out.
And by the time I'm 40, 46, 56,86, I can only expect that that
will grow.
And so that humility and thatunderstanding of hey, you're a
coach that has a coach, I'm acoach, I've got three coaches.
I need to listen to thoseindividuals that speak into my
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life, and then also submit toGod and his word and his plan.
That as you mentioned, there'sso many different verses on
business, on finances in theBible that if we just open it up
and read them, it's it's notrocket science.
SPEAKER_01 (30:35):
It's it's actually a real chat GPD.
Like, hey, what's going on?
Where's this?
It gives you a bunch.
It's very good at doing that.
Uh yeah.
Listen, thank you so much, bythe way, uh, Dan, for coming on.
Once again, how should someonewell, first of all, who should
get a hold of you specifically?
SPEAKER_00 (30:51):
Yes, so the type the types of people that should get
a hold of me are are gonna bethe types of people that again,
as we mentioned, they're lookingfor something more in their
life, they're feeling likethey're out of alignment,
there's something that they'remissing, whether it's in their
marriage, it's in theirbusiness, they're traveling a
lot for work, or perhaps they'respending too many hours at work,
(31:12):
and they just a lot of peoplefeel very successful in one
space, right?
They feel very successful atwork, and so then that's where
they focus.
They they drop the ball at home.
I'm just gonna ignore that andgo to work, and I'm doing really
well there.
Drop the ball with their kid,I'm just gonna focus on work and
continue moving in that vein.
So those people that are reallyfeeling out of alignment and
(31:32):
know that there's something elseout there for them, there's a
bigger purpose, and they're juststruggling to find out what it
is, or two, to stay accountableto what that is.
SPEAKER_01 (31:42):
That's great.
I know.
So there's a question I shouldhave asked you today and I
didn't.
What would that question havebeen?
SPEAKER_00 (31:48):
There's a question that you should have asked me
today that you didn't.
Hmm.
You know, you you would ask inin the pre-podcast questions,
what am I most thankful for?
And I think that gratitude is asignificant reason why a lot of
people don't succeed or why theyfeel so much disalignment in
(32:13):
their life because they don'tthey don't have that gratitude.
And so I thank God every morningI start with thanking him for
three different things.
I thank him for his mercy, Ithank you for grace, I thank you
for salvation, Lord.
Those are the things that Ithank him for.
And then I ask him, what is thenext step?
What is the next step for mylife?
And so I know and I trulybelieve that he lived a perfect
(32:34):
life, that he gave himselffreely and willingly on the
cross and died and rose again,conquering sin and death so that
we can all be saved, so that wecan have perfect peace, we can
have perfect joy, we can havevision and purpose and direction
in our life and hope, and sothat we can have a relationship
with our Father God.
So I know I'm I'm not perfect,and and none of us ever can be
or will be.
We all sin, but each day, as wetalked about, is an opportunity
(32:58):
to draw closer to Him and anopportunity to pick up our
cross, an opportunity to be morecompassionate, speak the truth
in love, surrender to God.
So those are all things thathelp me lead better in my
personal walk, in my marriage,in my business and beyond.
And that's why I truly believe Ihave two thriving businesses and
a thriving ministry and athriving marriage.
(33:19):
And and I I couldn't do anythingwithout God.
So I'm just very grateful.
And I love that question whenyou posed it in the interview
questions.
SPEAKER_01 (33:28):
Dan, thank you so much for coming on today.
Appreciate you.
SPEAKER_00 (33:31):
Yeah, man.
I appreciate you too, brother.
SPEAKER_01 (33:33):
Listen, everybody who made it this point in the
show, you rock.
Uh, I do appreciate every uhlistener and viewer that we
have.
And if if you've uh been herebefore, you've probably say
this.
And if you haven't, I do hopeyou you come back to hear me say
it again.
Get out there, go cut a tie tosomething holding you back.
Um, you know, something infaith, something holding you
back from your finances and oryour relationships, your health.
(33:53):
Pick one, start working at it.
You don't have to go zero to ahundred, just chip away at it
every day at 1%, and you'll getthere.
Thanks for listening.
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