May 28, 2026 • 34 mins
Twenty years of infantry service doesn’t just end the day you retire, it echoes in how you see people, danger, and freedom. I sit down with Lucas, a recently retired Army infantryman with three combat tours, to talk about where he came from, what the Army took from him, and what it gave back. He opens up about growing up mixed race in Rochester, New York, living in a mostly Black neighborhood with his White mother, and learning to keep his head down, grow up fast, and build grit without a father in the home until he’s 19.
From there we move into the veteran transition that so many listeners think about but rarely hear explained clearly: Lucas’s jump into private security as a 1099 contractor. We dig into the nuts and bolts of executive protection, how travel details and shifts can work, what clients often cover, and why the lack of a federal armed security license forces professionals to get certified state by state. Lucas also shares why he’s heading to Covered 6 Academy in California to earn executive protection training and a California guard card, plus why he’s targeting tougher states like California and New York to become more marketable.
We don’t stay purely tactical. The conversation turns to political violence and division, then into a challenging idea about racism: how stereotypes get passed down, and whether the way we talk about race can unintentionally keep people sorting each other by skin color instead of character. We also tackle DEI and merit based hiring, focusing on standards, competence, and what “qualified” should mean in high trust work.
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SPEAKER_02 (00:17):
That's cool.
Hey, we got the brother Lucas onthe my brother Lucas on the on
the on the call on the DailyAmerican Podcast.
Welcome, Lucas.
Congratulations on uh 20 plusyears as a grunt in uh in the
army.
Uh what's going on today, man?
How you doing?
SPEAKER_01 (00:36):
I'm doing well.
Thank you, Dan, for having me onthe uh on the show.
Um yeah, everything iseverything is going smooth in my
life right now, and I'm blessed.
Uh as you sadly had 20 20 yearsof service in the army as an
infantryman.
Um started that journey 2005.
Enlisted out of Rochester, NewYork.
(00:57):
Uh since then it's been up anddown.
I mean, as you know, you withyour time in, there was it was
up, there were some ups, andthere was a lot of downs, too,
you know.
Um, yeah, we but three combattours.
I met you on my second one.
Uh let's see.
Finished up my uh my career inat Fort Hood.
(01:18):
Uh that actually January.
So I got out a couple monthsago, man.
SPEAKER_02 (01:22):
Yeah, man.
Congratulations for collection.
Well deserved, man.
I'm glad I'm glad life's uhgiving you all its blessings
because uh you know you justjust a man of honor, dude.
Just an awesome dude to to know,and I'm grateful.
Uh I'm grateful we're gonna havethis conversation today, and I'm
grateful we've remained uh, youknow, we're not best buds, but
we're certainly fucking, you'realways there if I call, and God
(01:45):
willing, I'll always be therewhen you call, and vice versa.
But uh, yo, kick it off withyour childhood a little bit,
Luke, because I don't know shitabout your childhood.
Uh what was life like growingup?
SPEAKER_01 (01:55):
Oh, oh life for me was a little rough.
So um, so I'm I'm black andwhite, and I lived in a in a
mostly black neighborhood, and Igrew up with my my white mother,
and so being mixed uh in that inthat world back in 80s and 90s,
it was a little difficult.
(02:16):
So it wasn't like you know I fitin with any particular group.
Um, so the neighborhood was alittle rough on me.
Uh my father wasn't in thepicture until I was 19.
And uh yeah, I just had to keepmy head low until I, you know,
until I moved out of theneighborhood.
But uh I I would have to say,like, my mom, she did her best.
(02:40):
Like, even though I didn't havea father around, she she played
catch with me, um, taught me howto tie a tie.
She she tried to provide as bestas she could.
And we have a I had uh an olderbrother and sister, uh, and then
two younger sisters.
So it was it was a little roughum financially.
(03:00):
Um and uh when it could I meanhaving a dad around would have
been great, but I am the man Iam today because he wasn't
around, if that makes sense.
And we had some great leaderslike TK and uh Merrill and some
of those other squad leadersthat we served with, they they
taught me some things as well.
(03:21):
So yeah, man, that's anyregrets.
SPEAKER_02 (03:25):
Yeah, dude, you were the man of the house.
You uh you grew up fast, dude,without without having your dad
active until 19 years old.
Um it's gotta be tough foranybody, but you know, what you
didn't learn when you were achild, which I'm sure you
learned a shit ton.
Um you learn from the leaders,leaders in the military.
(03:45):
Uh yo, now your son.
How old's your son?
18, 17?
SPEAKER_01 (03:49):
He's uh he just turned 19 a couple months ago.
19.
He picked up the torch.
SPEAKER_02 (03:57):
I saw you pin the the blue cord on him, and that's
pretty awesome.
That's gotta that's gotta mean alot to you, dude.
It does.
Um is he your firstborn?
Is he your firstborn?
SPEAKER_01 (04:08):
He's my firstborn, yes.
SPEAKER_02 (04:10):
Damn, dude.
Is he a junior?
SPEAKER_01 (04:12):
He's uh he's the fourth.
SPEAKER_02 (04:15):
Damn.
So you're the third.
You're Edmund Lucas the third.
SPEAKER_01 (04:19):
Yes, sir.
SPEAKER_02 (04:20):
What's your milk name?
Bartology?
SPEAKER_01 (04:28):
It's uh it's Sheenel.
Uh what is it?
That's pretty cool.
What is it?
Yeah, she Sheenel.
SPEAKER_02 (04:34):
Sheenel, that's awesome, dude.
That's unique.
You're definitely the only yourfamily are the only Edmund
Sheenel Lucases, probably in theworld, I would assume.
SPEAKER_01 (04:44):
Uh, that's a good that's a good guess.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02 (04:48):
Yeah, I would say so.
It's Sheenel.
Sheenel's unique, dude.
Sheenel's pretty awesome.
unknown (04:53):
Sheenel.
SPEAKER_01 (04:54):
Yeah, it came from a uh African-American painter that
settled somewhere in Texas.
So that's the only history Iknow about it.
It's from my grandma, my grandmatold me that story.
SPEAKER_02 (05:08):
And that's your dad's side.
SPEAKER_01 (05:10):
Correct.
SPEAKER_02 (05:11):
Gotcha, gotcha.
Now, is your mom still back inRochester?
SPEAKER_01 (05:15):
Um, after 2003, she wound up moving down to Florida.
Uh, she looked, there was acouple locations down there,
Fort Jack or was it FortJackson?
SPEAKER_02 (05:27):
Where in Florida?
Jacksonville, sorry.
Yeah, Jacksonville, yeah, yeah,yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:32):
Fort My Fort Meyer.
Yeah, Fort Meyer.
SPEAKER_02 (05:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:35):
It's Fort Meyer, Jacksonville, and Bradington.
So she was kind of all over theplace.
Um, my older brother wound upliving down there for probably
20 years in Orlando.
But then she recently moved acouple years ago to Mississippi,
Macomb.
SPEAKER_02 (05:52):
Wow, that's cool.
A little bit of all uh, youknow, northeast, down south, and
then all she's got to do is makeis Mississippi out west or no?
SPEAKER_01 (06:02):
No.
Mississippi is east of me, wetkind of west of you.
SPEAKER_02 (06:05):
Okay, southwest, of course.
Guy, all she needs to do is liveon the west coast, and she'll
get a taste of all uh all theUnited States, you know what I
mean?
Of the country, yeah.
Shit, you've lived everywhere aswell, dude.
You've lived that's true.
Korea, Germany, right?
Uh Korea.
(06:26):
Oh, you weren't in Germany?
Okay.
Okay.
I've been here a couple oftimes.
Oh, you've been oh, that'sright.
I think you were there one pointwe were talking, and you were
there, so I thought you werestationed there, but I guess
not.
Anyhow, what's life up to now,Lucas?
So now you're 20 years, freakingyou're 39 or 40.
How old are you?
SPEAKER_01 (06:46):
I am 40.
I was a little late joining thearmy.
Um, had a little little troublewith the law, but uh pushed
through that, and I joined at20.
But yeah, I'm 40.
I am in private security, andthat's been that's a new world.
I'm not I've that I didn't evenknow even a percentage of this
(07:09):
world uh up until maybe a monthago.
So this this has been a uniquejourney for me.
Uh because of the retirementthat I receive and the extra
money from this this secondcareer.
Uh I'm I'm blessed.
SPEAKER_02 (07:28):
Shit, dude.
That's awesome.
And you're not and you're notgrinding like, well, I don't
know, you could be, you're notgrinding like strenuously on a
daily basis anymore.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01 (07:38):
Yeah, and uh the beauty about the private
security world, I'm a 1099.
So basically, I create my ownschedule in a way.
So if there's a a gig that comesup, like, hey, we need you to
pull security, you know, as abodyguard for this person.
Are you in?
It's only two days.
I can say yes, I can say no.
(08:00):
And it doesn't, and there's nopenalty against me.
So I I I I pick up gigs as Iwant, and I tell people I can't
work if I just don't want towork.
SPEAKER_02 (08:10):
Yeah, it's freedom, dude.
Ultimate freedom.
You're yeah, and you deserve it,dude.
You have ultimate freedom rightnow.
You know what I mean?
Uh now you don't feel likeworking today.
No, I actually just want to goto the gym and take a bike ride
and hang out with my my kids.
I don't feel like uh I don'tfeel like doing it today, and
and it's not gonna like I meanyou're already you're retired.
You put in your time, so you'reessentially set for you're set
(08:33):
for life, dude.
I mean, you know, you're not oryou're not multi-millionaire,
but who it doesn't matter.
You have all your needs met andand you've earned it, and uh God
bless you, dude.
Now, dude, when you're doingover say you got a guy, say, you
know, um Senator Schmidt.
I just made that up.
Senator Schmidt wants you topull security for him for a week
(08:57):
straight.
Um, are you staying wherethey're staying in in say a
hotel?
Um you know how how howextensive does it get?
Are you paid for overnight?
SPEAKER_01 (09:11):
So basically, for in that situation, I haven't I
haven't dealt with a situationlike that, but based on
everything I know, you would getpaid probably a 12-hour shift if
it if it entails like leavingsay the Austin area, right?
(09:31):
Maybe this the senator orwhoever is from Austin and I
live in Austin, then it's andit'd be easy just to go back
home.
But say say this person traveledto Dallas or um El Paso, then
and they needed a team there 24hours.
So I would get paid for 12 hoursand I'd have downtime, and we
(09:54):
have these just we'd haveshifts, or we just do eight-hour
shifts, and then we just stay inthat location for you know the
seven days that you that youmentioned, and we rotate
through, and then we come backhome.
Now, hotels should be paid for,especially if it's a travel uh
contract, transportation in inhotel would be paid for.
SPEAKER_02 (10:16):
Damn, dude, that's pretty sweet.
Now uh it seems like I mean, Iguess the Secret Service are
doing their jobs, but anotheranother Trump assassination um
this past week.
I mean, how does this how doesthis keep happening?
SPEAKER_01 (10:35):
Well, I I haven't looked more into that specific
uh incident, but I I just Ithink that as a country we we're
we're going backwards.
We're not we're not progressing,we're not moving forward.
Uh there's there's a lot ofhate.
And it's not I mean obviouslyit's just it's political hate.
(10:58):
It's the it's the rhetoricthat's being uh spewed on both
sides that create tension andcreate this this hate.
Um this is like the first time II've ever read about or heard
about where multiple attempts ona president's life within, I
(11:19):
mean, what when it when was whenwas Butler, Pennsylvania?
That was what right before theelection.
SPEAKER_02 (11:26):
So yeah, like a couple years ago.
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (11:28):
Yeah.
So that it just to me that'scrazy that we've we've come to
this point in our in our countrythat we we fought for freedom.
Like you can talk about thingsyou don't like, but that doesn't
mean you have to force people tolike them.
SPEAKER_02 (11:45):
Right, exactly.
Yeah, that's one of the biggestproblems.
I think it's very deliberate,though.
They um, you know, they wantdivide between between races,
between everything,socioeconomic classes, because
you know that hate and andviolence and it it essentially,
(12:06):
you know, it gets attention,right?
And these these people wantattention and they want control.
It also controls if you can geta group of people to really hate
each other, um you'recontrolling them.
So, you know, there's reallynothing there's nothing like
that any one person can do aboutit.
(12:29):
You just gotta try to spreadlove more.
Love, you know, have have animmediate impact on your local
environment.
And uh, you know, I get it.
Like there's there's hate andand and sometimes race has a lot
to do with it, like like race isdeliberate or or not how do I
(12:53):
say this?
Race plays a part too in inregards to this, like your
grandfather, people'sgrandfathers, like uh, for
instance, my dad growing upcouldn't didn't like uh until he
was much older, he didn't likeblack people.
I don't know why, but my but Iknow my grandmother, his adopted
mom, wouldn't let like blackpeople in the house.
(13:16):
Um I remember at a very youngage, she was like chasing a
Mormon around the house with abroom and screaming all sorts of
like profanities because youknow he he was he was allowed in
the house by like my brother orsomething.
Um bottom line is that all getspassed down generation to
generation.
So eventually it comes to apoint where you gotta put an end
(13:39):
to it.
You gotta you you gotta juststop it rather than carry on
certain traditions or certainstereotypes that get passed
down.
Like that that's how hate that'show hate exists.
For instance, if if you have anencounter, a bad encounter with
a Chinese guy, you did work ontheir property, you have a
horrible encounter with them,and now you think, oh, all
(14:02):
Chinese people are cheap,they're ignorant, and they're
the worst customers ever.
So I'm done doing business withChinese people.
Like you can't take that oneinstance from that one human
being and and utilize that tocarry on your beliefs about an
entire culture or an entiregroup of people.
It's just like it, it's it's inyou know, it I don't know if I'm
(14:25):
explaining this correctly, butthat's how it's like broken
down, you know what I mean?
That's how it's like brokendown, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:31):
Um, and Morgan Freeman, I I there's something
going around for many years thathe I'm I'm maybe misquoting
paraphrasing here though, uh,just don't talk about racism.
Um what I got from that is thatthat's true, true, true, true.
Back to your your family, forinstance, your grandmother
(14:54):
hating or or demonstrating youknow those those uh reasons of
don't want a black person overor whatever the case was, and
then your your father seeingthat or hearing it right now.
Imagine if your grandmother keptthat to herself, didn't say
anything about it, right?
Your dad probably would have hada different outcome growing up
(15:18):
towards other people.
SPEAKER_02 (15:19):
Yeah, true, true, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:21):
So if we stop talking about it, because let's
keep it real, we've been talkingabout and bringing awareness to
racism for how long now?
Since the beginning of the civilrights movement, and there's
still hate.
SPEAKER_02 (15:37):
That's a good point.
I never even thought about that,dude.
SPEAKER_01 (15:41):
I don't think there's I don't think hate is
increased when it comes to race.
I think it's just it's it'sthere.
I think honestly, there's moreuh more love in in the
communities for other races thanthere was back in the 50s, for
instance.
(16:02):
But if we continue to talk aboutit, you're not you're not
shedding any new light.
SPEAKER_02 (16:09):
Right, all it does is spread, it's just spreading
more.
SPEAKER_01 (16:12):
It just it teaches our youth that there is a
difference because of skincolor, and there should never be
a it should be based onindividuals, like you said when
you brought up the um theexample with uh a Chinese man.
Like if it's a person that'sbeing a bad customer or a bad um
(16:34):
uh contract worker or whatever,it's the individual, it's that
last name, first name and lastname, yeah, who's the problem,
not not the community the personcomes from.
And that's what we need to teachis not is not let's not talk
about race anymore.
Let's talk aboutresponsibilities of individuals.
(16:56):
Has no has no impact on acommunity, just has an impact on
the individual uh transactionbetween you know just between
two people.
SPEAKER_02 (17:04):
Like that's actually I've never I mean I've been
around for 36 seven years.
I've never I've never eventhought about that.
Um I never even thought aboutthat.
Like that, like addressing it oror talking about it is
essentially kind of likespreading it, right?
It's just like damn, dude,that's fucking brilliant.
SPEAKER_01 (17:26):
Like if if you if you label we'll just take a tip,
like one of those stereotypesout there, uh black people like
watermelon.
All right, if you keep talkingabout black people liking
watermelon, everyone's gonnalook at black people like, oh,
you like watermelon, right?
Like it has been for a while.
Now, if you say people likewatermelon, now I'm gonna assume
(17:48):
every person on planet earthlikes watermelon, right?
If you say if you say Edmundlikes watermelon, now we know
who likes watermelon,specifically one person, Edmund.
SPEAKER_00 (18:01):
Yeah, yeah, dude.
SPEAKER_01 (18:03):
Change how we talk, change how we talk.
That's all it is.
Now, I it's great to say thatwill it ever happen?
Can we ever get people to justnever talk about it again?
No, right, not in a perfectworld.
Uh, not even in a perfect world,would that even work?
Because there's gonna besomebody out there that's gonna
say something and continue togrow, but that's how that's how
(18:27):
I view it.
If if you really want to get ridof racism completely, you would
just stop talking about it,right?
Because talking about it is itkeeps spreading, it just keeps
educating folks to you know seethe difference in people based
on skin color and not thecharacter of their uh of
individuals.
SPEAKER_02 (18:48):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean that definitely that'sdefinitely a unique perspective.
I guess one one I was thinkingabout it while you were talking
about, I guess one downfallwould be like, all right, well,
then if it's never addressed,then how do we I guess we're not
living in like you said, we'renot living in the 50s or 60s, or
segregation's not a thinganymore, but how would that have
ever been addressed if ifeverybody took the just it
(19:12):
doesn't exist, it's it's not athing, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01 (19:15):
Well, and I get what you're saying.
Like, obviously, there was aproblem.
They addressed the problem.
Yeah, tell me tell me what youcan do today that I can't do as
as a black man, right?
SPEAKER_02 (19:26):
That that's one thing I agree with, especially
can we both vote?
Yeah, everything.
SPEAKER_01 (19:32):
Okay.
Can you buy a house?
Can I buy a house?
Should I own a house?
So, like, yes, there's nothingthat can stop me today by law
because of the color of my skin.
SPEAKER_02 (19:45):
Yeah, I agree with that 100%.
There that that aspect, ifanything, like there's certain
um, I mean, I guess that waslike the whole DEI thing.
There were certain like umqualifications or like, you
know, for anything.
Like, just because somebody'shomosexual doesn't mean that if
(20:09):
everything's the same across theboard, or not, no, I'm sorry, if
if candidate A has an ability todo the job a little bit better,
and candidate B does not havethe same qualifications or
ability to fulfill the job, butthey are homosexual, we gotta go
(20:29):
in.
Right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (20:39):
Yeah, I don't agree with DEI because of that.
I think you should be working ina job, and your employer should
be picking people of higherquality for more efficiency.
Agree.
Because imagine, imagine youhave a job, you have a business,
right, and you need 25%whatever, 25, 25, and then
(21:01):
that's it, right?
And you're uh you're in sometype of manufacturing company,
but you're but you've noticedsince you added the EI, like
production has gone down.
Well, what do you do?
You know that you hiredunderqualified individuals
because you're not keeping ahigh standard.
(21:22):
So what do you do then?
You know, do you just continueto suffer because you're a large
company and you know some peoplethink that big companies should
make money?
Because it's America.
Like, if you want to make money,make as much money as you as you
want.
Because that's the freedom ofthat in the in this country.
(21:42):
But I don't know.
I I think I I I value the thequality of work that comes out
of all places of employment overstatistics and uh representing
different groups of people.
SPEAKER_02 (22:02):
Yeah, whoever's um whoever's most qualified.
I mean, that's how you're gonnahave the strongest workforce.
It's based off of actual likequalifications and education.
So Yeah, well, they did awaywith that anyway.
I th I think the administrationdid away with DEI and all that
all that nonsense anyhow.
SPEAKER_01 (22:22):
There was within the first month of administration
taking over, yes.
But there are some companiesthat still practice DEI.
SPEAKER_02 (22:31):
So But it's not necessarily federally mandatory
at this point.
SPEAKER_01 (22:37):
No, there's private companies, yeah.
There's just some privatecompanies that still that still
practice DEI.
SPEAKER_02 (22:45):
Gotcha.
What's on the road?
Um a little bit laterconversation.
What's on the so so you're aboutto help on the road?
Where where are you going?
SPEAKER_01 (22:52):
Oh, yes.
Uh so today uh I will be goingto Covered Six Academy in
California.
Uh, this academy specializes insecurity work, uh security
training and certifications.
I'm gonna be taking theirexecutive protection five-week
resident course.
(23:13):
Um, this is gonna help me be alittle bit more marketable here
in Texas as an EP officer.
Uh, it will give me mycertification for uh uh the
guard card to be a bodyguard andto operate in California under
their state laws.
For instance, um, say you're ourclient, Dan, and you live here
(23:38):
in Austin.
Well, you want to travel toCalifornia for a week.
The company I work for, CompanyA, for instance, they say, all
right, we can do this, but we'regonna have to subcontract your
needs to another company inCalifornia.
But say, say, Dan, you and Ihave a good relationship, and
(23:59):
you you like my my skills as aas your as your bodyguard.
SPEAKER_02 (24:04):
I love your skills as a bodyguard and your act.
I love your skills as abodyguard and uh and like your
ability to to speak.
You're really well spoken.
SPEAKER_01 (24:16):
Thank you, Dan.
So go ahead and so I can only goover there as an advisor and
stay stay close to you, but Ican I won't be I won't be
operating in an armed capacity.
I will not operate as abodyguard, I'm just an advisor
or an observer.
SPEAKER_02 (24:35):
You can do that now, clearly, but but but with this
new license.
SPEAKER_01 (24:40):
Correct.
I will be armed and I will beyour bodyguard if you traveled,
you know, if you traveled toCalifornia.
SPEAKER_02 (24:47):
Now, how do you get one?
How do you get one?
How do you get a federal armedsecurity license, bro?
There's not.
There is none.
There's none.
So that's that's that keeps themarket competitive.
SPEAKER_01 (25:00):
Yeah, that's the problem in right now, is that
you pe if people want to operateoutside of their state, they
have to go to each state andtake the course, get the
fingerprints taken, do thebackground check, and apply
through each each state.
SPEAKER_02 (25:18):
Now, is that the act is in Pennsylvania it's called
Act 120.
It's like a week-long armsecurity course where you very
basic stuff, small arms.
SPEAKER_00 (25:31):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (25:31):
Very, very basic, nothing like personal
protection, not in that arena.
You can't karate chop anybodyand and take the weapon from,
right?
Any cool shit like that.
SPEAKER_01 (25:43):
No, there's no, there's there's really not a
course out there that will teachyou the karate chop uh in in the
ep world.
But that would be that would bepretty dope.
If if you and I get into thisthe realm of training ep in any
city, either Pennsylvania orhere in Texas, we're gonna teach
people how to karate chop andtake guns.
SPEAKER_02 (26:03):
All right, so dude, federally, so you cannot so so
that means locally thecompetition it keeps the market
open at the state level, right?
Because if you have a federalcompany that's got a ton of
money, right?
Some ex CIA guy, he can have afederal company with a thousand
EP guys and control the entiremarket.
SPEAKER_00 (26:28):
Correct.
SPEAKER_02 (26:29):
But here, it the way the states do it, it's kind of
cool.
You got to get certified througheach state.
But California is, I mean, youknow, common sense would lead
you to, I mean, there's wealthypeople everywhere.
Um, but California withHollywood there, it's a good
(26:49):
state to perform security dutiesin, right?
SPEAKER_01 (26:55):
Absolutely.
So California, we all knowHollywood and Beverly Hills and
the rich and famous.
So that is that is why I choseCalifornia to be my first uh out
of state uh certification andlicensing for this world.
Uh my second state that I'mgonna try to achieve uh the same
(27:18):
credentials is New York.
And I'm I choose I choose thesetwo states because one, they're
extremely difficult to obtainany licensing to operate with a
firearm.
SPEAKER_02 (27:31):
And you don't have to have an address there.
SPEAKER_01 (27:34):
Um for California, no.
I will I think in New York youcan get a non-resident guard
card.
SPEAKER_02 (27:44):
Okay.
That's cool.
SPEAKER_01 (27:48):
Oklahoma, on the other hand, you need to be a
six-month resident.
I read that the other day.
SPEAKER_02 (27:55):
Okay, let me ask you something.
Are like does every like who'suh obviously a lot of people
that you don't know um wouldn'teven need security, but like
right now your clientele, what'sit made up of?
SPEAKER_01 (28:14):
Like bankers or politicians, like what uh so for
because I also do uh uniform armsecurity, and I'll include that
in in the list of things.
Um so there could be uh someonethat that's famous through uh
podcasts and political uhopposition views.
(28:37):
Um there could be uh uh forinstance uh there's a politician
that I do work for.
There's uh uh places of worship,so churches and mosques.
I do I do secure.
There's CEOs and people you knowin the business world that uh
(28:59):
I've done work for as well.
Okay.
So it's it's kind of everywhereright now, and uh I I want to
focus more on politicians, butI'm I'm open for anything and
every and you know, anythingthis world has to offer,
especially like the EP world.
Um the uniform guard uh uniformsecurity stuff, it's it's kind
(29:22):
of like what we did in actuallyit's exactly what we did
overseas in Iraq.
Uh just stand there and andguard uh a tower or guard uh the
ECP or you know protect thebuilding or something, you know?
Yeah.
So it's pretty much the samething we've we've been doing, we
(29:43):
did and we were trained to do.
Now, when it comes to EP, it's alittle bit more different, but
and that's that's the realm I'mI'm starting to you know look
into and starting to work, and Ireally enjoy it so far.
SPEAKER_02 (29:57):
Yeah, there was actually um JR JR McIntyre.
Um he he was on the podcastbefore he was in our unit.
He was out before I was in, buthe came on the podcast, shared
his story.
Um Renoso is really, reallyclose with him, and you know,
he's a solid dude.
I went down there to Florida.
(30:18):
Um, he's cool.
And he was in the executiveprotection field for a while
with Rat Pack Security, but Ithink the company ended up going
under, and uh, you know, nowhe's on the bigger and better
things.
And yeah, Byron Rogers, are youfamiliar with him?
SPEAKER_01 (30:37):
I am not.
SPEAKER_02 (30:39):
So he's like he's a former Marine and he's really
heavy in the EP game or was.
I don't know.
I just heard of him through uhJR, and you know, he posts some
cool shit.
You would definitely you wouldsee eye to eye with him.
Um but yeah, I mean, I don'tknow shit about executive
protection.
(30:59):
I know that Rat Pack, though,they did get contracted to do
like the Super Bowl a coupleyears ago.
Yeah, which was cool, right?
Like he wasn't the only company,but he was one of them.
Um, I don't think they werearmed for that event, though.
Okay, yeah, level two yeah, butdude, landing something like
that, I mean, it's gotta be bigbucks, right?
SPEAKER_01 (31:19):
Um, it varies.
So I can only speak aboutnumbers here in Texas.
So on average, your level, youruniformed arm security makes on
average, maybe 20 to$30 an hour.
SPEAKER_02 (31:35):
Uniformed armed, okay.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (31:38):
Now, when we talk about EP, you're wearing, you're
concealed, you're wearingregular clothes, okay, most
likely a suit or you know, sometype of casual wear.
And they can make anywhere fromyou know$35,$40 and up.
Okay.
(31:59):
Now you're if those events thatlike like the Super Bowl,
unarmed, uniformed, you can youcan still make a pretty penny
depending on the event and howmuch the your your company's
charging the client.
Um, but it could be low as$15and as high as I've I've seen a
contract come through my messageboards unarmed, uniformed, for
(32:24):
$45 an hour.
And that these are just events.
These are events.
Yeah.
So that's I mean, that's goodmoney for not being armed.
SPEAKER_02 (32:35):
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, when the risk, when therisk is low, I mean$40,$45 an
hour just to chill and and uh,you know, it tells me the risk
is very low if you're not gonnahave weapons involved, but dude,
I'm sure you can look, I'm sureyou could just do personal
security.
Like, bro, if I had the funds,I'd I'd hire you full time, bro,
(32:57):
just to hang out with me.
SPEAKER_01 (32:59):
Yo, hang out with me.
That would be fun, dude.
That would be a lot of fun.
Yeah, I'm like, hey man, I gottaput these cards down real quick.
I gotta do uh I gotta do aphoto.
Bye, bro.
What do you think?
SPEAKER_02 (33:15):
Yeah, that's so cool, man.
So well, dude, I'm actuallywe're gonna let me see.
We're we're gonna wrap this upfor now, Lucas.
We're gonna continue it though.
Um at a at a later date.
Uh, I got some shit to handlereal quick, but dude, you're
it's been an honor having youon, bro.
Enjoy your freedom, dude.
Don't work too hard because Imean, you know, brother, you've
(33:39):
been through some fucking shit.
Um, a lot of shit.
Uh, you know, especially being aPurple Heart recipient.
Um and, you know, this countryand myself, we thank you for
your service, brother.
So thanks for coming on DailyAmerican, all right.
SPEAKER_01 (33:55):
Dan, it's been a pleasure and thank you for
having me on your show.
SPEAKER_02 (33:58):
You're the best, man.
SPEAKER_01 (33:59):
And I cannot wait to see you see you in the future on
these on the on the episodes.
SPEAKER_02 (34:04):
Yes, sir.
Yup.
Let's make it happen, brother.
We'll talk soon, all right?
SPEAKER_01 (34:07):
Yes, sir.
All right, you have a great day.
SPEAKER_02 (34:10):
All right, Lucas.
SPEAKER_01 (34:11):
All right, peace.
That's cool.
Hey, we got the brother Lucas onthe my brother Lucas on the on
the on the call on the DailyAmerican Podcast.
Welcome, Lucas.
Congratulations on uh 20 plusyears as a grunt in uh in the
army.
Uh what's going on today, man?
How you doing?
SPEAKER_01 (00:36):
I'm doing well.
Thank you, Dan, for having me onthe uh on the show.
Um yeah, everything iseverything is going smooth in my
life right now, and I'm blessed.
Uh as you sadly had 20 20 yearsof service in the army as an
infantryman.
Um started that journey 2005.
Enlisted out of Rochester, NewYork.
(00:57):
Uh since then it's been up anddown.
I mean, as you know, you withyour time in, there was it was
up, there were some ups, andthere was a lot of downs, too,
you know.
Um, yeah, we but three combattours.
I met you on my second one.
Uh let's see.
Finished up my uh my career inat Fort Hood.
(01:18):
Uh that actually January.
So I got out a couple monthsago, man.
SPEAKER_02 (01:22):
Yeah, man.
Congratulations for collection.
Well deserved, man.
I'm glad I'm glad life's uhgiving you all its blessings
because uh you know you justjust a man of honor, dude.
Just an awesome dude to to know,and I'm grateful.
Uh I'm grateful we're gonna havethis conversation today, and I'm
grateful we've remained uh, youknow, we're not best buds, but
we're certainly fucking, you'realways there if I call, and God
(01:45):
willing, I'll always be therewhen you call, and vice versa.
But uh, yo, kick it off withyour childhood a little bit,
Luke, because I don't know shitabout your childhood.
Uh what was life like growingup?
SPEAKER_01 (01:55):
Oh, oh life for me was a little rough.
So um, so I'm I'm black andwhite, and I lived in a in a
mostly black neighborhood, and Igrew up with my my white mother,
and so being mixed uh in that inthat world back in 80s and 90s,
it was a little difficult.
(02:16):
So it wasn't like you know I fitin with any particular group.
Um, so the neighborhood was alittle rough on me.
Uh my father wasn't in thepicture until I was 19.
And uh yeah, I just had to keepmy head low until I, you know,
until I moved out of theneighborhood.
But uh I I would have to say,like, my mom, she did her best.
(02:40):
Like, even though I didn't havea father around, she she played
catch with me, um, taught me howto tie a tie.
She she tried to provide as bestas she could.
And we have a I had uh an olderbrother and sister, uh, and then
two younger sisters.
So it was it was a little roughum financially.
(03:00):
Um and uh when it could I meanhaving a dad around would have
been great, but I am the man Iam today because he wasn't
around, if that makes sense.
And we had some great leaderslike TK and uh Merrill and some
of those other squad leadersthat we served with, they they
taught me some things as well.
(03:21):
So yeah, man, that's anyregrets.
SPEAKER_02 (03:25):
Yeah, dude, you were the man of the house.
You uh you grew up fast, dude,without without having your dad
active until 19 years old.
Um it's gotta be tough foranybody, but you know, what you
didn't learn when you were achild, which I'm sure you
learned a shit ton.
Um you learn from the leaders,leaders in the military.
(03:45):
Uh yo, now your son.
How old's your son?
18, 17?
SPEAKER_01 (03:49):
He's uh he just turned 19 a couple months ago.
19.
He picked up the torch.
SPEAKER_02 (03:57):
I saw you pin the the blue cord on him, and that's
pretty awesome.
That's gotta that's gotta mean alot to you, dude.
It does.
Um is he your firstborn?
Is he your firstborn?
SPEAKER_01 (04:08):
He's my firstborn, yes.
SPEAKER_02 (04:10):
Damn, dude.
Is he a junior?
SPEAKER_01 (04:12):
He's uh he's the fourth.
SPEAKER_02 (04:15):
Damn.
So you're the third.
You're Edmund Lucas the third.
SPEAKER_01 (04:19):
Yes, sir.
SPEAKER_02 (04:20):
What's your milk name?
Bartology?
SPEAKER_01 (04:28):
It's uh it's Sheenel.
Uh what is it?
That's pretty cool.
What is it?
Yeah, she Sheenel.
SPEAKER_02 (04:34):
Sheenel, that's awesome, dude.
That's unique.
You're definitely the only yourfamily are the only Edmund
Sheenel Lucases, probably in theworld, I would assume.
SPEAKER_01 (04:44):
Uh, that's a good that's a good guess.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02 (04:48):
Yeah, I would say so.
It's Sheenel.
Sheenel's unique, dude.
Sheenel's pretty awesome.
unknown (04:53):
Sheenel.
SPEAKER_01 (04:54):
Yeah, it came from a uh African-American painter that
settled somewhere in Texas.
So that's the only history Iknow about it.
It's from my grandma, my grandmatold me that story.
SPEAKER_02 (05:08):
And that's your dad's side.
SPEAKER_01 (05:10):
Correct.
SPEAKER_02 (05:11):
Gotcha, gotcha.
Now, is your mom still back inRochester?
SPEAKER_01 (05:15):
Um, after 2003, she wound up moving down to Florida.
Uh, she looked, there was acouple locations down there,
Fort Jack or was it FortJackson?
SPEAKER_02 (05:27):
Where in Florida?
Jacksonville, sorry.
Yeah, Jacksonville, yeah, yeah,yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:32):
Fort My Fort Meyer.
Yeah, Fort Meyer.
SPEAKER_02 (05:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:35):
It's Fort Meyer, Jacksonville, and Bradington.
So she was kind of all over theplace.
Um, my older brother wound upliving down there for probably
20 years in Orlando.
But then she recently moved acouple years ago to Mississippi,
Macomb.
SPEAKER_02 (05:52):
Wow, that's cool.
A little bit of all uh, youknow, northeast, down south, and
then all she's got to do is makeis Mississippi out west or no?
SPEAKER_01 (06:02):
No.
Mississippi is east of me, wetkind of west of you.
SPEAKER_02 (06:05):
Okay, southwest, of course.
Guy, all she needs to do is liveon the west coast, and she'll
get a taste of all uh all theUnited States, you know what I
mean?
Of the country, yeah.
Shit, you've lived everywhere aswell, dude.
You've lived that's true.
Korea, Germany, right?
Uh Korea.
(06:26):
Oh, you weren't in Germany?
Okay.
Okay.
I've been here a couple oftimes.
Oh, you've been oh, that'sright.
I think you were there one pointwe were talking, and you were
there, so I thought you werestationed there, but I guess
not.
Anyhow, what's life up to now,Lucas?
So now you're 20 years, freakingyou're 39 or 40.
How old are you?
SPEAKER_01 (06:46):
I am 40.
I was a little late joining thearmy.
Um, had a little little troublewith the law, but uh pushed
through that, and I joined at20.
But yeah, I'm 40.
I am in private security, andthat's been that's a new world.
I'm not I've that I didn't evenknow even a percentage of this
(07:09):
world uh up until maybe a monthago.
So this this has been a uniquejourney for me.
Uh because of the retirementthat I receive and the extra
money from this this secondcareer.
Uh I'm I'm blessed.
SPEAKER_02 (07:28):
Shit, dude.
That's awesome.
And you're not and you're notgrinding like, well, I don't
know, you could be, you're notgrinding like strenuously on a
daily basis anymore.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01 (07:38):
Yeah, and uh the beauty about the private
security world, I'm a 1099.
So basically, I create my ownschedule in a way.
So if there's a a gig that comesup, like, hey, we need you to
pull security, you know, as abodyguard for this person.
Are you in?
It's only two days.
I can say yes, I can say no.
(08:00):
And it doesn't, and there's nopenalty against me.
So I I I I pick up gigs as Iwant, and I tell people I can't
work if I just don't want towork.
SPEAKER_02 (08:10):
Yeah, it's freedom, dude.
Ultimate freedom.
You're yeah, and you deserve it,dude.
You have ultimate freedom rightnow.
You know what I mean?
Uh now you don't feel likeworking today.
No, I actually just want to goto the gym and take a bike ride
and hang out with my my kids.
I don't feel like uh I don'tfeel like doing it today, and
and it's not gonna like I meanyou're already you're retired.
You put in your time, so you'reessentially set for you're set
(08:33):
for life, dude.
I mean, you know, you're not oryou're not multi-millionaire,
but who it doesn't matter.
You have all your needs met andand you've earned it, and uh God
bless you, dude.
Now, dude, when you're doingover say you got a guy, say, you
know, um Senator Schmidt.
I just made that up.
Senator Schmidt wants you topull security for him for a week
(08:57):
straight.
Um, are you staying wherethey're staying in in say a
hotel?
Um you know how how howextensive does it get?
Are you paid for overnight?
SPEAKER_01 (09:11):
So basically, for in that situation, I haven't I
haven't dealt with a situationlike that, but based on
everything I know, you would getpaid probably a 12-hour shift if
it if it entails like leavingsay the Austin area, right?
(09:31):
Maybe this the senator orwhoever is from Austin and I
live in Austin, then it's andit'd be easy just to go back
home.
But say say this person traveledto Dallas or um El Paso, then
and they needed a team there 24hours.
So I would get paid for 12 hoursand I'd have downtime, and we
(09:54):
have these just we'd haveshifts, or we just do eight-hour
shifts, and then we just stay inthat location for you know the
seven days that you that youmentioned, and we rotate
through, and then we come backhome.
Now, hotels should be paid for,especially if it's a travel uh
contract, transportation in inhotel would be paid for.
SPEAKER_02 (10:16):
Damn, dude, that's pretty sweet.
Now uh it seems like I mean, Iguess the Secret Service are
doing their jobs, but anotheranother Trump assassination um
this past week.
I mean, how does this how doesthis keep happening?
SPEAKER_01 (10:35):
Well, I I haven't looked more into that specific
uh incident, but I I just Ithink that as a country we we're
we're going backwards.
We're not we're not progressing,we're not moving forward.
Uh there's there's a lot ofhate.
And it's not I mean obviouslyit's just it's political hate.
(10:58):
It's the it's the rhetoricthat's being uh spewed on both
sides that create tension andcreate this this hate.
Um this is like the first time II've ever read about or heard
about where multiple attempts ona president's life within, I
(11:19):
mean, what when it when was whenwas Butler, Pennsylvania?
That was what right before theelection.
SPEAKER_02 (11:26):
So yeah, like a couple years ago.
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (11:28):
Yeah.
So that it just to me that'scrazy that we've we've come to
this point in our in our countrythat we we fought for freedom.
Like you can talk about thingsyou don't like, but that doesn't
mean you have to force people tolike them.
SPEAKER_02 (11:45):
Right, exactly.
Yeah, that's one of the biggestproblems.
I think it's very deliberate,though.
They um, you know, they wantdivide between between races,
between everything,socioeconomic classes, because
you know that hate and andviolence and it it essentially,
(12:06):
you know, it gets attention,right?
And these these people wantattention and they want control.
It also controls if you can geta group of people to really hate
each other, um you'recontrolling them.
So, you know, there's reallynothing there's nothing like
that any one person can do aboutit.
(12:29):
You just gotta try to spreadlove more.
Love, you know, have have animmediate impact on your local
environment.
And uh, you know, I get it.
Like there's there's hate andand and sometimes race has a lot
to do with it, like like race isdeliberate or or not how do I
(12:53):
say this?
Race plays a part too in inregards to this, like your
grandfather, people'sgrandfathers, like uh, for
instance, my dad growing upcouldn't didn't like uh until he
was much older, he didn't likeblack people.
I don't know why, but my but Iknow my grandmother, his adopted
mom, wouldn't let like blackpeople in the house.
(13:16):
Um I remember at a very youngage, she was like chasing a
Mormon around the house with abroom and screaming all sorts of
like profanities because youknow he he was he was allowed in
the house by like my brother orsomething.
Um bottom line is that all getspassed down generation to
generation.
So eventually it comes to apoint where you gotta put an end
(13:39):
to it.
You gotta you you gotta juststop it rather than carry on
certain traditions or certainstereotypes that get passed
down.
Like that that's how hate that'show hate exists.
For instance, if if you have anencounter, a bad encounter with
a Chinese guy, you did work ontheir property, you have a
horrible encounter with them,and now you think, oh, all
(14:02):
Chinese people are cheap,they're ignorant, and they're
the worst customers ever.
So I'm done doing business withChinese people.
Like you can't take that oneinstance from that one human
being and and utilize that tocarry on your beliefs about an
entire culture or an entiregroup of people.
It's just like it, it's it's inyou know, it I don't know if I'm
(14:25):
explaining this correctly, butthat's how it's like broken
down, you know what I mean?
That's how it's like brokendown, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:31):
Um, and Morgan Freeman, I I there's something
going around for many years thathe I'm I'm maybe misquoting
paraphrasing here though, uh,just don't talk about racism.
Um what I got from that is thatthat's true, true, true, true.
Back to your your family, forinstance, your grandmother
(14:54):
hating or or demonstrating youknow those those uh reasons of
don't want a black person overor whatever the case was, and
then your your father seeingthat or hearing it right now.
Imagine if your grandmother keptthat to herself, didn't say
anything about it, right?
Your dad probably would have hada different outcome growing up
(15:18):
towards other people.
SPEAKER_02 (15:19):
Yeah, true, true, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:21):
So if we stop talking about it, because let's
keep it real, we've been talkingabout and bringing awareness to
racism for how long now?
Since the beginning of the civilrights movement, and there's
still hate.
SPEAKER_02 (15:37):
That's a good point.
I never even thought about that,dude.
SPEAKER_01 (15:41):
I don't think there's I don't think hate is
increased when it comes to race.
I think it's just it's it'sthere.
I think honestly, there's moreuh more love in in the
communities for other races thanthere was back in the 50s, for
instance.
(16:02):
But if we continue to talk aboutit, you're not you're not
shedding any new light.
SPEAKER_02 (16:09):
Right, all it does is spread, it's just spreading
more.
SPEAKER_01 (16:12):
It just it teaches our youth that there is a
difference because of skincolor, and there should never be
a it should be based onindividuals, like you said when
you brought up the um theexample with uh a Chinese man.
Like if it's a person that'sbeing a bad customer or a bad um
(16:34):
uh contract worker or whatever,it's the individual, it's that
last name, first name and lastname, yeah, who's the problem,
not not the community the personcomes from.
And that's what we need to teachis not is not let's not talk
about race anymore.
Let's talk aboutresponsibilities of individuals.
(16:56):
Has no has no impact on acommunity, just has an impact on
the individual uh transactionbetween you know just between
two people.
SPEAKER_02 (17:04):
Like that's actually I've never I mean I've been
around for 36 seven years.
I've never I've never eventhought about that.
Um I never even thought aboutthat.
Like that, like addressing it oror talking about it is
essentially kind of likespreading it, right?
It's just like damn, dude,that's fucking brilliant.
SPEAKER_01 (17:26):
Like if if you if you label we'll just take a tip,
like one of those stereotypesout there, uh black people like
watermelon.
All right, if you keep talkingabout black people liking
watermelon, everyone's gonnalook at black people like, oh,
you like watermelon, right?
Like it has been for a while.
Now, if you say people likewatermelon, now I'm gonna assume
(17:48):
every person on planet earthlikes watermelon, right?
If you say if you say Edmundlikes watermelon, now we know
who likes watermelon,specifically one person, Edmund.
SPEAKER_00 (18:01):
Yeah, yeah, dude.
SPEAKER_01 (18:03):
Change how we talk, change how we talk.
That's all it is.
Now, I it's great to say thatwill it ever happen?
Can we ever get people to justnever talk about it again?
No, right, not in a perfectworld.
Uh, not even in a perfect world,would that even work?
Because there's gonna besomebody out there that's gonna
say something and continue togrow, but that's how that's how
(18:27):
I view it.
If if you really want to get ridof racism completely, you would
just stop talking about it,right?
Because talking about it is itkeeps spreading, it just keeps
educating folks to you know seethe difference in people based
on skin color and not thecharacter of their uh of
individuals.
SPEAKER_02 (18:48):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean that definitely that'sdefinitely a unique perspective.
I guess one one I was thinkingabout it while you were talking
about, I guess one downfallwould be like, all right, well,
then if it's never addressed,then how do we I guess we're not
living in like you said, we'renot living in the 50s or 60s, or
segregation's not a thinganymore, but how would that have
ever been addressed if ifeverybody took the just it
(19:12):
doesn't exist, it's it's not athing, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01 (19:15):
Well, and I get what you're saying.
Like, obviously, there was aproblem.
They addressed the problem.
Yeah, tell me tell me what youcan do today that I can't do as
as a black man, right?
SPEAKER_02 (19:26):
That that's one thing I agree with, especially
can we both vote?
Yeah, everything.
SPEAKER_01 (19:32):
Okay.
Can you buy a house?
Can I buy a house?
Should I own a house?
So, like, yes, there's nothingthat can stop me today by law
because of the color of my skin.
SPEAKER_02 (19:45):
Yeah, I agree with that 100%.
There that that aspect, ifanything, like there's certain
um, I mean, I guess that waslike the whole DEI thing.
There were certain like umqualifications or like, you
know, for anything.
Like, just because somebody'shomosexual doesn't mean that if
(20:09):
everything's the same across theboard, or not, no, I'm sorry, if
if candidate A has an ability todo the job a little bit better,
and candidate B does not havethe same qualifications or
ability to fulfill the job, butthey are homosexual, we gotta go
(20:29):
in.
Right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (20:39):
Yeah, I don't agree with DEI because of that.
I think you should be working ina job, and your employer should
be picking people of higherquality for more efficiency.
Agree.
Because imagine, imagine youhave a job, you have a business,
right, and you need 25%whatever, 25, 25, and then
(21:01):
that's it, right?
And you're uh you're in sometype of manufacturing company,
but you're but you've noticedsince you added the EI, like
production has gone down.
Well, what do you do?
You know that you hiredunderqualified individuals
because you're not keeping ahigh standard.
(21:22):
So what do you do then?
You know, do you just continueto suffer because you're a large
company and you know some peoplethink that big companies should
make money?
Because it's America.
Like, if you want to make money,make as much money as you as you
want.
Because that's the freedom ofthat in the in this country.
(21:42):
But I don't know.
I I think I I I value the thequality of work that comes out
of all places of employment overstatistics and uh representing
different groups of people.
SPEAKER_02 (22:02):
Yeah, whoever's um whoever's most qualified.
I mean, that's how you're gonnahave the strongest workforce.
It's based off of actual likequalifications and education.
So Yeah, well, they did awaywith that anyway.
I th I think the administrationdid away with DEI and all that
all that nonsense anyhow.
SPEAKER_01 (22:22):
There was within the first month of administration
taking over, yes.
But there are some companiesthat still practice DEI.
SPEAKER_02 (22:31):
So But it's not necessarily federally mandatory
at this point.
SPEAKER_01 (22:37):
No, there's private companies, yeah.
There's just some privatecompanies that still that still
practice DEI.
SPEAKER_02 (22:45):
Gotcha.
What's on the road?
Um a little bit laterconversation.
What's on the so so you're aboutto help on the road?
Where where are you going?
SPEAKER_01 (22:52):
Oh, yes.
Uh so today uh I will be goingto Covered Six Academy in
California.
Uh, this academy specializes insecurity work, uh security
training and certifications.
I'm gonna be taking theirexecutive protection five-week
resident course.
(23:13):
Um, this is gonna help me be alittle bit more marketable here
in Texas as an EP officer.
Uh, it will give me mycertification for uh uh the
guard card to be a bodyguard andto operate in California under
their state laws.
For instance, um, say you're ourclient, Dan, and you live here
(23:38):
in Austin.
Well, you want to travel toCalifornia for a week.
The company I work for, CompanyA, for instance, they say, all
right, we can do this, but we'regonna have to subcontract your
needs to another company inCalifornia.
But say, say, Dan, you and Ihave a good relationship, and
(23:59):
you you like my my skills as aas your as your bodyguard.
SPEAKER_02 (24:04):
I love your skills as a bodyguard and your act.
I love your skills as abodyguard and uh and like your
ability to to speak.
You're really well spoken.
SPEAKER_01 (24:16):
Thank you, Dan.
So go ahead and so I can only goover there as an advisor and
stay stay close to you, but Ican I won't be I won't be
operating in an armed capacity.
I will not operate as abodyguard, I'm just an advisor
or an observer.
SPEAKER_02 (24:35):
You can do that now, clearly, but but but with this
new license.
SPEAKER_01 (24:40):
Correct.
I will be armed and I will beyour bodyguard if you traveled,
you know, if you traveled toCalifornia.
SPEAKER_02 (24:47):
Now, how do you get one?
How do you get one?
How do you get a federal armedsecurity license, bro?
There's not.
There is none.
There's none.
So that's that's that keeps themarket competitive.
SPEAKER_01 (25:00):
Yeah, that's the problem in right now, is that
you pe if people want to operateoutside of their state, they
have to go to each state andtake the course, get the
fingerprints taken, do thebackground check, and apply
through each each state.
SPEAKER_02 (25:18):
Now, is that the act is in Pennsylvania it's called
Act 120.
It's like a week-long armsecurity course where you very
basic stuff, small arms.
SPEAKER_00 (25:31):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (25:31):
Very, very basic, nothing like personal
protection, not in that arena.
You can't karate chop anybodyand and take the weapon from,
right?
Any cool shit like that.
SPEAKER_01 (25:43):
No, there's no, there's there's really not a
course out there that will teachyou the karate chop uh in in the
ep world.
But that would be that would bepretty dope.
If if you and I get into thisthe realm of training ep in any
city, either Pennsylvania orhere in Texas, we're gonna teach
people how to karate chop andtake guns.
SPEAKER_02 (26:03):
All right, so dude, federally, so you cannot so so
that means locally thecompetition it keeps the market
open at the state level, right?
Because if you have a federalcompany that's got a ton of
money, right?
Some ex CIA guy, he can have afederal company with a thousand
EP guys and control the entiremarket.
SPEAKER_00 (26:28):
Correct.
SPEAKER_02 (26:29):
But here, it the way the states do it, it's kind of
cool.
You got to get certified througheach state.
But California is, I mean, youknow, common sense would lead
you to, I mean, there's wealthypeople everywhere.
Um, but California withHollywood there, it's a good
(26:49):
state to perform security dutiesin, right?
SPEAKER_01 (26:55):
Absolutely.
So California, we all knowHollywood and Beverly Hills and
the rich and famous.
So that is that is why I choseCalifornia to be my first uh out
of state uh certification andlicensing for this world.
Uh my second state that I'mgonna try to achieve uh the same
(27:18):
credentials is New York.
And I'm I choose I choose thesetwo states because one, they're
extremely difficult to obtainany licensing to operate with a
firearm.
SPEAKER_02 (27:31):
And you don't have to have an address there.
SPEAKER_01 (27:34):
Um for California, no.
I will I think in New York youcan get a non-resident guard
card.
SPEAKER_02 (27:44):
Okay.
That's cool.
SPEAKER_01 (27:48):
Oklahoma, on the other hand, you need to be a
six-month resident.
I read that the other day.
SPEAKER_02 (27:55):
Okay, let me ask you something.
Are like does every like who'suh obviously a lot of people
that you don't know um wouldn'teven need security, but like
right now your clientele, what'sit made up of?
SPEAKER_01 (28:14):
Like bankers or politicians, like what uh so for
because I also do uh uniform armsecurity, and I'll include that
in in the list of things.
Um so there could be uh someonethat that's famous through uh
podcasts and political uhopposition views.
(28:37):
Um there could be uh uh forinstance uh there's a politician
that I do work for.
There's uh uh places of worship,so churches and mosques.
I do I do secure.
There's CEOs and people you knowin the business world that uh
(28:59):
I've done work for as well.
Okay.
So it's it's kind of everywhereright now, and uh I I want to
focus more on politicians, butI'm I'm open for anything and
every and you know, anythingthis world has to offer,
especially like the EP world.
Um the uniform guard uh uniformsecurity stuff, it's it's kind
(29:22):
of like what we did in actuallyit's exactly what we did
overseas in Iraq.
Uh just stand there and andguard uh a tower or guard uh the
ECP or you know protect thebuilding or something, you know?
Yeah.
So it's pretty much the samething we've we've been doing, we
(29:43):
did and we were trained to do.
Now, when it comes to EP, it's alittle bit more different, but
and that's that's the realm I'mI'm starting to you know look
into and starting to work, and Ireally enjoy it so far.
SPEAKER_02 (29:57):
Yeah, there was actually um JR JR McIntyre.
Um he he was on the podcastbefore he was in our unit.
He was out before I was in, buthe came on the podcast, shared
his story.
Um Renoso is really, reallyclose with him, and you know,
he's a solid dude.
I went down there to Florida.
(30:18):
Um, he's cool.
And he was in the executiveprotection field for a while
with Rat Pack Security, but Ithink the company ended up going
under, and uh, you know, nowhe's on the bigger and better
things.
And yeah, Byron Rogers, are youfamiliar with him?
SPEAKER_01 (30:37):
I am not.
SPEAKER_02 (30:39):
So he's like he's a former Marine and he's really
heavy in the EP game or was.
I don't know.
I just heard of him through uhJR, and you know, he posts some
cool shit.
You would definitely you wouldsee eye to eye with him.
Um but yeah, I mean, I don'tknow shit about executive
protection.
(30:59):
I know that Rat Pack, though,they did get contracted to do
like the Super Bowl a coupleyears ago.
Yeah, which was cool, right?
Like he wasn't the only company,but he was one of them.
Um, I don't think they werearmed for that event, though.
Okay, yeah, level two yeah, butdude, landing something like
that, I mean, it's gotta be bigbucks, right?
SPEAKER_01 (31:19):
Um, it varies.
So I can only speak aboutnumbers here in Texas.
So on average, your level, youruniformed arm security makes on
average, maybe 20 to$30 an hour.
SPEAKER_02 (31:35):
Uniformed armed, okay.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (31:38):
Now, when we talk about EP, you're wearing, you're
concealed, you're wearingregular clothes, okay, most
likely a suit or you know, sometype of casual wear.
And they can make anywhere fromyou know$35,$40 and up.
Okay.
(31:59):
Now you're if those events thatlike like the Super Bowl,
unarmed, uniformed, you can youcan still make a pretty penny
depending on the event and howmuch the your your company's
charging the client.
Um, but it could be low as$15and as high as I've I've seen a
contract come through my messageboards unarmed, uniformed, for
(32:24):
$45 an hour.
And that these are just events.
These are events.
Yeah.
So that's I mean, that's goodmoney for not being armed.
SPEAKER_02 (32:35):
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, when the risk, when therisk is low, I mean$40,$45 an
hour just to chill and and uh,you know, it tells me the risk
is very low if you're not gonnahave weapons involved, but dude,
I'm sure you can look, I'm sureyou could just do personal
security.
Like, bro, if I had the funds,I'd I'd hire you full time, bro,
(32:57):
just to hang out with me.
SPEAKER_01 (32:59):
Yo, hang out with me.
That would be fun, dude.
That would be a lot of fun.
Yeah, I'm like, hey man, I gottaput these cards down real quick.
I gotta do uh I gotta do aphoto.
Bye, bro.
What do you think?
SPEAKER_02 (33:15):
Yeah, that's so cool, man.
So well, dude, I'm actuallywe're gonna let me see.
We're we're gonna wrap this upfor now, Lucas.
We're gonna continue it though.
Um at a at a later date.
Uh, I got some shit to handlereal quick, but dude, you're
it's been an honor having youon, bro.
Enjoy your freedom, dude.
Don't work too hard because Imean, you know, brother, you've
(33:39):
been through some fucking shit.
Um, a lot of shit.
Uh, you know, especially being aPurple Heart recipient.
Um and, you know, this countryand myself, we thank you for
your service, brother.
So thanks for coming on DailyAmerican, all right.
SPEAKER_01 (33:55):
Dan, it's been a pleasure and thank you for
having me on your show.
SPEAKER_02 (33:58):
You're the best, man.
SPEAKER_01 (33:59):
And I cannot wait to see you see you in the future on
these on the on the episodes.
SPEAKER_02 (34:04):
Yes, sir.
Yup.
Let's make it happen, brother.
We'll talk soon, all right?
SPEAKER_01 (34:07):
Yes, sir.
All right, you have a great day.
SPEAKER_02 (34:10):
All right, Lucas.
SPEAKER_01 (34:11):
All right, peace.
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