Elizabeth Pasimio, L.Ac. Open the Flow: When Acupuncture Gets Nutrition Where In Needs To Go! DWD 11/14/25

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those difficult decisions. And sometimes they're not as
difficult as you think. So today on Daily with Deck Doc,
I just want to welcome each and every one of you where hope,
healing and real life transformation come together
every single day. I'm your host, Becca Dukes.
I'm so grateful that you are here today.

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And if you've ever wondered why some people take all the right
supplements, eat all the right foods, follow all the right
protocols, and still don't quiteget where they want to be in
this health journey, well, today's show is going to be a
breakthrough for you. Because nutrients don't always

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work if they can't reach the tissues, Minerals can't repair,
vitamins can't activate, amino acids can't rebuild.
And when the body's pathways areblocked by tension,
inflammation, stress, stagnation, or trauma, nothing

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goes the way that it should. But there's some good news.
The body was designed to heal. The body was designed to heal
folks. And sometimes all it takes is
opening up that flow. So today we are excited to be
able to bring to you one of my friends who I met when I was

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working side by side with DoctorWallach in San Diego, CA,
Elizabeth Pasimio. She is a licensed acupuncturist.
She is also trained in Chinese tradition, traditional Chinese
medicine, herbalism. She's got so much family

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Wellness specialist and she has her own clinic there in Bonita,
CA. But the the thing that I really
want people to understand is youdon't have to be afraid because
acupuncture doesn't just relieve, it restores
circulation, enhances microvascular flow, it reduces

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stagnation and helps nutrients get exactly where they need to
go. Now, our guest today, Elizabeth
Pessimio, she's, as I said, a licensed acupuncturist,
herbalist, family Wellness specialist from the San Diego
area. She has over 13 years of study

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and clinical practice in the traditional Chinese medicine.
She has a passion for helping families, supporting Women's
Health, and restoring balance inthe mind, body and spirit.
One thing her patients love about her, and you're going to
feel it today, folks, is her genuine ability to listen.

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Not just hear, but truly listen.And she has a remarkable gift
for identifying where the body'sflow is blocked and how to
gently open those pathways so healing can actually happen
again. The body does the healing.
As a mother and practitioner, Elizabeth has a deep

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understanding on how stress, tension, and daily life can
restrict flow and how acupuncture can literally help
the nutrients we take, the food we eat, and the supplements we
rely on finally reach the tissuethat need them.
So today she's going to help us as we're going to be going
through some questions, just a interview type style.

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If you do have questions that relate to today's topic, we feel
free. We invite you to raise your hand
if you hear live with us in the Zoom and we will get to
questions at at the end as time permits.
But folks, please help me. Welcome to the screen my friend

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Elizabeth. Hello, Elizabeth.
Welcome to Daily with Doc and Becca.
I know the last time we recordeda show, it was on my radio
program Better by the Minute Life where I just was.
I'm touched by how you help people, your heart and and all

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that you put into helping peopleas a working mom and having your
own business and still having that heart for others.
So thank you for joining me again today.
Thank you for having me. I'm happy to be here, Becca.
Well. You know, is there anything that

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about you that I miss that you would like to add to your
introduction? I I love the introduction thank
you so much. I I would like to add something.
I'd like to tell my story of howI was planning to become an
OBGYN and that I decided I really didn't want to be the one

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giving you medications or doing surgery and so I had to pivot
and my two options were chiropractic or acupuncture and
I went with acupuncture. Even though I love chiropractic,
I went with acupuncture because it doesn't just treat the body,
it also treats the mind, it treats the spirit.
So I can help people with physical ailments, but I can

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also help them with emotional issues and even related
spiritual type type problems. And they all, they're all
connected, they all work together.
And I feel like that's really what my emphasis is and how
acupuncture is a special modality in that, in that way to
treat the way that the mind, body and spirit interact.

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So go. Go a little deeper and let's
just dive in. OK, So you mentioned about, you
know, the spiritual side, the mind body, the spirit.
How is that linked to nutrition and how our body can absorb or
not absorb nutrition and acupuncture?
Absolutely. So let's talk about digestion.

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The main organs in Chinese medicine that are related to
digestion are the stomach and the spleen.
In Western medicine, we don't talk about the spleen that
often, or at least not in every day, not unless you're a doctor.
But in Chinese medicine, the spleen is probably the most
important digestive organ. And so let's see, the emotion
that affects the spleen is worrying or overthinking.

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So when we spend our time reallyoverthinking things, kind of
fixating on stuff, it actually decreases the energy of the
spleen. So digestion becomes more
difficult. This is something that people
don't usually know. So when I they come to me, I can
feel their abdomen, I feel theirpulse, I look at their tongue.
Those are my diagnostic tools. And then I hear about what their

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symptoms are. And then I can see, oh, their
spleen is very tired. We call it the chi The energy of
the spleen is very low. And then I'll say, do you also
tend to overthink? Do you tend to, like, worry a
lot? Oh, yeah, I'm worrying all the
time. And so, yes, I give nutritional
advice. Yes, I give even advice about
when to eat, what to eat, how you're feeling when you eat, but

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also all the other time of what you're doing with your mind and
what you're spending your time doing.
And if you're worrying to get through to patients that it
actually decreases your body's ability to digest.
So then it gives another motivation of like, oh, working
on myself care and finding a wayto calm my mind and find peace
will help physical symptoms. That's just one example.

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Yes, stop worrying and find a way to find peace.
So you know, sometimes that is easier said than done.
And when you do have that inflammation of the spleen and

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because of the worry and everything, what is it about
acupuncture that that can help with with what you just said?
Yeah, absolutely. So we have the spleen organ and
the way that we treat the organ is through the channel.
So then I palpate the spleen channel, which happens to be up

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the leg. And so then I can find sensitive
spots and I will palpate. There are certain points that
are usually tender. And so I can confirm my
diagnosis by pressing those points.
I get the feedback from the patient and then I decide
whether I'm going to needle it or if I'm going to apply
mochsebustion, which is an, it'sa dried herb that's pressed into

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a charcoal form. And I have it in a little
sticker and it sticks on your body and I light it.
And so they do different, they do different jobs.
So I basically diagnose the channel and then I treat it that
way. So sometime with the spleen
specifically, it's usually a deficiency of, of chi.
And so when I go along and it's tender and it's like an

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indentation, I stick a needle there and what that tells the
body is to come bring energy over here.
And each of the points have functions.
For example, Spleen 9, it's nearthe, it's near the knee.
It's usually very tender on people, especially if they have
digestive difficulty. And if I looked at their tongue
and saw a white, a very thick white coat, that means they have

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dampness. Now, this is this is going to
sidetrack me, but let me talk about the way Chinese medicine
looks at digestion. It's like a pot of boiling
water. And when we are young and
healthy, it's a rolling boil. Anything you put in there,
doesn't matter what kind of stuff it is, it just turns into
pure energy. And children, they have great
energy, they have great digestion.
But over the years we're puttingin a lot of cold foods,

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literally temperature cold raw foods, difficult to digest
things like dairy and gluten, all of those things.
And then the rolling boils more like I'm going to try to get
that into energy, but it's it's harder for me to get into
energy. So as time goes by, it tries to
make it all into energy. But instead, I like a layer of
sludge is kind of kept at the bottom and we call it dampness.

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And then it unfortunately travels to different parts of
our body. It shows up on the tongue.
The reason our diagnostic tool is the tongue is because it's
the only exposed muscle in the body.
So it tells us the internal environment.
It also it can go to the joints and so you can have joint pain
usually in the lower body because dampness is heavy, but
it it causes pain, it can cause like a heaviness in the head,

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like foggy thinking. So it goes all over the body
just from the digestion of eating things that your body
can't handle. And so in Chinese medicine, a
lot of our nutritional therapy has to do with soupy, easy to
digest foods. If you've ever have kanji, it's
a Chinese term, it's an umbrellaterm for all of these rice
porridges. So if you think about rice

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porridge, it's almost like pre digested food.
And then for example, if you have dampness, you add uzuki
beans. If you have spleen chi
deficiency of spleen chi, you add it's called EE Ren.
It's I know it in Latin and I know it in Pinon.
It's basically a grain that helps with that where you put in
dots out, which is the red jujubi dates.

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And so that's the food therapy that that we do.
Now, that doesn't mean you eat that all the time.
It means when you're having a flare up of digestive issues or
you're trying to heal, that's you make it very easy for your
digestion to get the energy it needs without having to process
raw veggies, raw fruit, things like protein powders, process

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anything. Very difficult, very difficult
to process. And so let's see.
And the moxa, sometimes the spleen is just tired.
If it's overrun with dampness, then I have to use the
moxibustion. And it's kind of like a, come
on, let's do this. It adds warmth, it's adds
energy. It adds, it adds the the energy

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that it needs to get it going again.
And This is why we recommend eating something warm and soupy
in the morning. All of our ancestors knew that.
And that's why soup was what we ate in the morning when it, I
don't know when it turned to coffee and a pastry, but that
does not help our digestion really at all.
And so it's these kinds of behavior modifications and
dietary guidelines that I would give to someone who came in with

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that spleen issue. There's of course, there's a
whole, there's a lot of different presentations, but
this is just a general example of how we would treat that.
And so again, back to the needle, it's telling the body
to, to bring energy there and towork on the specific functions
of that point, which is to clearthe dampness, strengthen the
spleen. We clear dampness.

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One of the ways is through urination.
So we, it's actually like a way to make your body get it out
through your, through your urination so you can, and we
also have herbs that do that. So kind of a planning that whole
process. That's one example for you.
That. That's really interesting.

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And I know a few people that I hope they're watching this as
they start their day off with coffee and pastries.
Nobody in my household, of course, but you know, there's,
there's a lot of people that do that and that's just not setting
your body up for, for proper digestion or that energy flow.

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I actually have a specific storyfrom myself because, and I think
it's helps people because like the example of a green smoothie,
we, it's kind of said like, oh, a green smoothie is always a
healthy option. So I was drinking green
smoothies during acupuncture school in the morning, first
thing in the morning, green smoothies.
That means frozen fruit, maybe some spinach or avocado or

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something. And so every single morning I
would drink the green smoothie, I would have cramping in my
lower abdomen. I'd have to run to the restroom
I where I would have watery diarrhea and then I'd feel
really cold, like, like I can't get warm, like chill to the bone
like for the rest of the morningand like low energy and I just
want to crawl back into bed. And so I was in school.

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I was in a herb class and my teacher was talking about how we
need soup. And then so I experimented and
instead I had some chicken broth.
I threw in some spinach, maybe some brown rice, and I threw in
two eggs. And then I had this kind of
little soupy concoction. No cramping, no diarrhea.
I felt warm, I had energy, life changing, absolutely life

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changing. So I tell people this a lot
because a lot of my patients come in ice cold.
I touch their feet, I touch their abdomen, everything's ice
cold. What did you have for breakfast?
They say a smoothie or they say a like a protein drink.
And I'm like, I understand busy moms, busy people.
Sometimes you need a protein drink.
It's better than than Cheetos, but not to get if you if

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optimally it'll be something warm, soupy in the morning.
If you're having digestive issues, let's heal you.
Or, and you might decide you want to do it all the time
because it just makes you feel better.
It's a better start to your day.So you mentioned having having
the broth and some vegetables inthere and some rice.

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Do you have opinion on cream of wheat?
Not cream of wheat, No, no, no, because that's gluten.
But cream of rice. I don't know if I know about
cream of rice, but it sounds like the basic fine idea.
I'm guessing there's actual cream so as long as you don't
have a dairy issue. But as soon as someone's having
digestive issues, I take out dairy and gluten first.

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Those are the things that consume.
Because the thing about your mucous membranes, if they are
allergic to something and then you keep giving it, your body
cannot digest because it's in aninflammatory response against
whatever it's, it is sensitive to.
So I have people who are eating gluten or dairy or drinking beer
or they're having something thatthey're they really are allergic
to. They have a consistent problem.

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And I'm like, we have to take itout and we have to experiment.
It really requires the openness to take things out, put things
back in and hold above all else,like I want to feel better.
I'm willing to do anything to feel better as long as you're
being guided on what to do. And then you get a check in with
your acupuncture. So like, how did you, so you
didn't eat gluten this week. Did you feel an improvement?

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Actually, I did, you know that that kind of thing.
And they're like, OK, so is it worth it to you to not eat
gluten to feel better? Like were you able to have more
energy to do your life? Actually, it was.
I really feel better. It's totally worth it.
Fabulous. Nice work.
What are we going to work on next?
Right, well, let's talk about what we can work on next and,

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and, and share with us how like the stress or tension physically
blocks nutrient delivery. Yes, so, oh gosh, so stress,
emotional stress, spiritual stress, that feeling of
desperation, just kind of that, that self talk or that negative
self talk of feeling like thingsare really heavy, we're

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overwhelmed, we feel desperate, we're we're not meeting our
deadlines. Just that general feeling like
of, of stress and tension. It it's emotional, it becomes
physical. There's also physical tension
from actual physical work, right?
Wear and tear on our bodies, butour, basically our, everything
gets tight and, and, and restricts and constricts.

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And so acupuncture opens things up.
And so there's a thing in Chinese medicine, I always share
this. It is that we can't say it in
Chinese yet, where there's free flow of chi and blood, there is
no pain. And when there is pain, there
must be some type of blockage orstagnation of chi and blood.
Now, it's kind of simplistic, but thankfully, acupuncture is

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actually pretty simple. It's all about having things
flow. Now let's talk.
Let's talk about physical tension first.
It's kind of easier physical tension is, you know, let's say
like in our shoulders, a lot of us have a lot of tension here in
our shoulders. And so the chi can't flow.
Like what about the things that are trying to go from our heart
to our mind, whether it's, you know, the, the communication

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that the signals and it's getting locked up in the neck
because we're, we're tense. We, we're, we're not open to
change and we're, this is a literal bottleneck.
So a lot of things happen right here.
And I, you know, I have people who come in, all they have is
head symptoms and I'm like, there's tension in the neck that
is literally causing things to go up and then stay up.

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They don't have a way to travel back down.
So I relieve the tension here and it is it then the body can
communicate with itself easier. I just had a patient come in.
She said that, you know, she hasneck pain and so when she went
face down on the table, I couldn't even see her neck.
I had to really help her elongate and her neck was so
short that there was a fold and a darkening on her neck.

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I pulled it apart and then I started touching it and then I
started needling it and then shegot very quiet.
She was crying like nothing elsehappened.
She had so much locked up in this area that no one had
touched that she was like this. And then I finally opened it and
then and then put some needles in and all of the things that

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were stuck up here, they startedflowing and they also made tears
flow out because it was physicaland emotional tension locked up
right here. So you can, you can think about
nutrition. When I see nutrition, I really
mean blood because the nutritiongoes into our bodies and our
digestive system is the one thatmakes the blood in Chinese

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medicine. And so the blood is the
nutritive source to all of the, you know, we call it the all of
the extremities. That is what carries the new
nutrition. So sometimes I just use the word
blood, right? Because we need the blood in the
chi to move and flow the way it wants to.
And if we have blockage, that's what causes the pain, whether
it's physical pain or emotional pain or spiritual pain.

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Yeah. And in naturopathic medicine
with the nutrition, if you have a digestive issue, it's not
going to absorb through the digestive system like it should
to get into the blood so that you have that nutrition in the
blood to flow. Yes, absolutely.

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And that's why we want to identify what, what we might be
allergic to. And we it has to be empirical
data like, hey, what works for you?
When do you feel good? When do you not feel good?
We can try different nutritionalideas, we can try different
herbal formulas, but it really has to be a feedback from the,
from the patient of paying, likebeing mindful of paying
attention to how do I feel? Because as you've probably

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noticed, a lot of people don't even know how they feel.
They don't know how they feel after they eat something.
Even they don't know what makes them feel good, what makes them
feel bad. We have, I feel like a lot of
what I do is I reconcile people to their bodies because I can
kind of tell when someone comes in and they're like, yeah, I
don't know, my body's doing that.
Like, can you make it stop? Like as if their body is
inconveniencing them. Like, like get with the program.

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And I'm like, OK, so let's imagine like you bought a sports
car and it a check engine light went on.
Like are you going to ignore it and drive it into the ground and
be like, why is that sports car asking me for stuff?
Your body, like your sports car is important, but like your body
is your vehicle for your whole life.
And so it's really of the utmostimportance to reconcile with

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your body, listen to it, speak to it, interact with it.
Like, you need to treat your body as, as, like that's the
most important thing in your life really, because you can't
get away from it. And if you would like to live
like happy and joyful and free of pain, it really requires us

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to put our attention in our bodies and feel what does make
us feel good. And of course, also eating for
the right reasons, eating in theright mindset, Like if we're
upset and depressed and it doesn't matter if we're eating
something nutritionally valuable, if we're upset or
we're angry, then we're eating anger.

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And so I tell people sometimes when they have digestive issues
and we've tried a lot of things and nothing, it seems to be
stubborn. It's not working.
And then it's the idea of it's hard to digest our food when
we're having a hard time digesting our life.
That's an energetic thing. Like if life is been so unfair,
has been so difficult that it's hard to digest.

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It's also hard to digest our food because our bodies
literally like I can't remind you can't digest what's
happening in the world. I can't digest what's happening
in my family. It's too much, it's too hard.
You're very often there's also digestive issues are going to be
flaring up at the same time. So yes, we help the body.
So that's why acupuncture works because we released physical

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tension, we released emotional tension.
We boost up the digestion of like and we say sorry to it.
We're so sorry we gave you all that ice cream last night.
We know you hated that. That was really hard for you.
I'm going to take care of you. I'm going to add in some ginger
tea to offset the very cold dairy I just did.
Those are the kind of tips I kind of give.
Like if you're going to have a treat, but like pair it with

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something that's really helpful,they will offset that because
nobody wants to not do the fun things all the time, like where
you have to have some type of moderation.
But let's be have our eyes open,know what we're doing and then
account for it and try to remedyit and keep balance.
Balance is really what we're trying to do here with
acupuncture. So none of us can be perfect and

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our but sometimes we don't even really understand what our
bodies are doing. But understanding that our body
wants to be in balance, our emotions and our heart and our
spirit, they all want to be in balance.
So we're just working with the energy of the body, mind and
spirit to find that balance. And sometimes people just need a
little help. They need someone to come
alongside, hold their hand, helpthem out of whatever cycle

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they've been in. And that's what acupuncture is
really good at that is breaking you out of a cycle, especially
the fight or flight cycle. Because when during fight and
flight, let's remember that was just we could save our lives.
Like let's say something's running, chasing us, trying to
kill us. All of the blood in the tree go
to our arms and our legs and oureyes so we can run and save our

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lives. Thank God we have that.
But our society now, our culturenow is that we're in a fight or
flight all the time, deadlines, you know, keeping up with the
Joneses, the job, the vanity, all the things.
And So what about our vital organs?
What about our digestion? If all of our resources are in
our appendages so we can run andsave our lives, that means our

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specifically our digestion is not getting what it needs.
It's not making the blood that we need.
It's not using the nutrients properly.
So we have to go into parasympathetic and to rest and
digest. Acupuncture naturally does that.
That's what an acupuncture does.That's how we break out of the
cycle of people who are constantly in fight or flight
and don't even know how to get themselves out of rest and

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digest. So while they're on the table,
you know, they get, they get 2530 depends on, on the, but
they get a big chunk of rest anddigest and they like it and they
want more of it. And so then I give them tools of
how to do it at home and I give them tools of, you know, of
course we're going to be doing it here, but I want to teach
them how to do it at home. So they don't only doesn't only

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happen here. And the idea is that they're
able to get themselves into restand digest every day, even if
it's just for a couple minutes. And then they're going to
realize this is amazing. I want more.
And I'm like, yes, I support that you want more because all
of your bodily functions are going to be better.
Your emotions are going to be better.
You need more balanced life is going to be better.
You're going to be a better contributing member of your

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family, of your work, of your ofyour culture.
This is why we love acupuncture.Yes, yes it is.
Yes it is. So you know, a lot of people,
especially in the Western world where they've been raised in a

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Christian type family and they're kind of closed mind to
traditional Chinese medicine. Now there's there is a link
between us as creations and how Chinese medicine can help us as
creations flow better. I know you as a believer as

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well. What is your response to that?
Well, it's funny that you you, Ifeel like you caught my vibe.
Like I was about to just say whyJesus would have loved
acupuncture because of how I wasjust saying how it makes
people's lives better. And I was going to say, I, I
censored myself just a little bit because I was going to say
you could be a better functioning member of your
family, your work, but also yourchurch and furthering God's

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Kingdom honestly. And so I want to write a book of
why Jesus would have loved acupuncture because I get a lot
of believers and some people even with church wounds or like
semi believers, but they say things to me like I don't think
God has time for me or my issuesare not that big.
Like, I don't want to waste God's time.

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So I get this chance because they're, they're on this table.
They have needles in and they can't go anywhere.
So I'm, I'm talking to them about the truths of Jesus and
how that's not true. There's an unlimited amount.
Like God is vast and God is there for you and cares about
every little thing that you're going through.
And so I do ask them, like, haveyou turned this over to God?
Like, have you prayed about this?

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Have you surrendered this? And so I, I really believe that
Jesus would have loved acupuncture, like based on, you
know, my study of his life, he was about rest.
He wasn't about, and he was about not worrying, right?
And he was about like enjoying our lives.
And I think that's really what he came for was like, oh, all

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those things that are bothering you, like those don't need to
bother you. Like you only have what you get
for today. Let's do what you can with
today. And my, my spiritual director in
my life tells me corny things like God's address is NOW like
right now. And so it's like, what can I do
today, right now to help myself be better and really reach my

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fullest potential of what who God wants me to be and how God
wants to use me to further God'sKingdom and bring peace and joy
to the people around me and to the world.
And so yes, I understand that idea that that Christians are
not sure. And so I personally am very
sensitive to it and I let them know right away, like I'm, I'm a

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very hardcore Jesus follower. And I see, I see no
contradiction with Chinese medicine.
In fact, I, I feel, I feel like it's very much aligned,
honestly. Like if it had been at the same
time, like would Jesus have evengotten acupuncture?
Like maybe he would have been like some acupuncture for
everyone, or at least all his disciples or for the ones who, I

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mean, he came for healing. Like that's what he was doing
was healing people. So how could it not like this?
Like I help people who they've already gone through all the
Western medicine, they've tried everything and they don't have
any answers. I can't tell you how frustrated
people are when they are physically having issues and the
Western medicine has they're like, we don't know.
We tried everything, we tested everything.

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So the person now physically is still has an ailment.
Emotionally, they are beat down spiritually, they feel abandoned
because there's no answer and they're suffering and they don't
know what to do and they don't know why it's happening.
They come in with an A seeminglydisconnected collection of
symptoms. And then I'm like, oh, that's
liver tree stagnation. Really simple, really easy.

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Let me show you in my textbook literally all of those random
symptoms. That's one diagnosis in Chinese
medicine. They're always blown away by
that, that their grouping of what seemingly random symptoms
are actually on this list. Very often that's what happens.
And so they feel like, oh, thankGod, there's a diagnosis and

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there's a solution. And now I know what to pray for,
what to pray about. And now I have hope.
And once you give someone hope and they already have a faith,
they can run with it and it, it really works.
And when they have faith that that this is actually going to
be the thing that helps them, itreally does help them.
And of course, I think when you have a, when you feel good about
your practitioner, when you feellike they actually care about

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you, which again, my source of love comes from Jesus, like I'm
just trying to show God's love through me to these patients.
It's not really me doing it. It's really not me sometimes.
Just recently someone came in and said, Oh, I'm very upset.
My brother-in-law has a condition and God sent, the Holy
Spirit sent me sub chorionic hematoma.

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I'm not even sure what that is. I'll be honest.
It just came to my head and she said, Oh yeah, it's a subdural
hematoma. And I'm like, yeah, that was
very similar. And I had no, I've never seen
this patient before. I have no idea what he had.
I believe that to be the Holy Spirit sending me information
that wasn't, that was more of like a parlor trick, like that
didn't necessarily help me in the situation.

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But I feel like the Holy Spirit also does help me.
Like I'll go touch a certain spot on their body with just not
even, I'm just talking to them and I put my hand on their
bodies. Like how do you know it hurts
there? OK, God, I see what you did
there because I, I wasn't thinking.
Whenever it bypasses my brain and I just do something, I just
know it's the Holy Spirit and I,I welcome the Holy Spirit in and

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then my patients get to feel it too.
I'm very sensitive to people though.
Like if they have a church wound, I don't, I don't push it
because I myself fell away for about 20 years and had a church
wound. So I want to meet people where
they're at and not worsen that feeling.
For example, I just wanted to like give that as a caveat
because I, I don't force people.I don't force it down anyone's

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throat because I, I don't think that's loving.
I don't think that's what Jesus would want me to do.
Instead, I just love them as well as I can and try to help
get them relief that they need. Yeah, I I absolutely understand
that. And yes, church wounds can go
deep, as I know for my own personal experience as well.
But let's let's move on past that and let's talk about, you

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know, there's so many people that are having issues with
their lymphatic system, the detox pathways.
Is that something that acupuncture can help with?
Yes, absolutely. It's actually interesting
because we have like our main pathways that are all related to
organs, you know, the lungs, spleen, large intestine,

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stomach, kidney, all of those. We have another one, one of them
is called the San Jow sand gel. It's in, it's in the upper gel,
the middle gel and the lower gel.
So it, it, it spans the whole body just like the lymphatic
system. So it is said that I don't know
how the Chinese 4000 years ago figured out that there was a

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lymphatic system, but they knew that there was something that
was doing something like what the lymphatic system does and
they decided to call it the sandgel.
So I actually there's no organ, but there is a channel.
It's the only channel that doesn't have an, an organ
matched up with it from the, from the 12 main ones.
And so we treat the San Jo channel and it does what the

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lymphatic system does. It clears out it, it, it moves
out the toxins, it moves it fromthe different parts of the body.
So that paired with lymphatic massage it, it helps a lot.
It's really amazing actually. But in general, acupuncture does
that. Acupuncture detoxifies.
It moves things out. I often invite people, if they

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haven't gotten cupping with big,big red cupping marks, I
encourage them to take an Epsom salt bath after acupuncture.
And the way that I describe it is that the needles have just
done like they are controlling, regulating the immune response,
but they're also like detoxifying, like the cellular
metabolism by products. And so I say taking an Epsom

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salt bath, it's kind of like we decluttered our house and put
everything on the curb and now we need like the Salvation Army
to come by and pick it up and like, and if we don't get it
picked up, and that's what the Epsom salt bath does, is it
draws out the physical, those little elements.
I'm a really big fan of Epsom salt baths because it removes
physical tension, but also emotional tension.

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And I think it's it's really fabulous for detoxing.
I agree. I agree and Doctor Wallach has
mentioned that as well with taking an Epson bath to help
with relaxation and just the power of the minerals
themselves, the mineral itself that is put into Epson salts

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that where it it helps. Of course, he wants it to go in
the body as well, with the plant, dried minerals and the 90
essential nutrients. But sometimes people's digestive
systems are so jacked up that they need that extra help.

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And many times, like you've mentioned before, the emotional
part of it, the spiritual part of it, it's, it's real.
It's real. I have a specific you just
started my memory about something.
So like you had said, like you're, let's say you're doing

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really great nutrition and yet you're not getting the results
that you that you want. And so here's one of the very
common pathways. If you look at the five
elements, fire, earth, metal, water, wood, so there there's
the engendering cycle where theyhelp each other out, but there's
also the the overacting and the controlling cycle.
And so the wood element, if it'sangry, if it's having a hard

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time, it beats up on the earth element.
So basically the liver attacks the spleen.
In Chinese medicine, this is themost common presentation I see
in women. It's, we have, it's so very
important. So basically the liver in
Chinese medicine is in charge ofmaking the blood.
It's in charge of moving the blood, not the heart, not the

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heart. It's the one in charge of
bringing the blood all the way to the fingertips, all the way
to the toes. So cold hands and cold feet
means a stagnant liver that needs a lot of help.
For example, it's also in chargeof menstruation.
It's, it has a big role to play in, in reproduction.
So anyway, when the the liver doesn't have enough blood?
We have blood deficiency becausewe had a bunch of babies, we

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breastfed. We bleed every month, maybe we
bleed extra every month. We're not sleeping enough, we're
not eating red meat, or we're not eating the things that we
need to build blood. So then the liver kind of gets
angry. I kind of compare him, compare
the liver to that little guy in Inside Out, that movie, I love
that movie that's about emotional intelligence for
children. And he's like this little guy

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and sometimes he gets so angry he lights on fire.
And so I think I try to help people understand, like your
liver feels that way, especiallywith the emotions of anger and
resentment and frustration deeply affect the liver.
So any constrained emotion on top of life, menstruation,
babies, all of this, again, it'svery often women, the liver gets

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angry and it just starts beatingup the spleen.
So then you have bloating, you have indigestion, you have acid
reflux, you have loose stools orConstipation and it's all from
the liver. Or you get emotionally upset and
then immediately you have indigestion, which is like the
hallmark sign of IBS. We treat IBS really well because
it's really just the liver kicking, kicking the butt of the

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spleen. So I have, I use needles to calm
the liver and boost the spleen. And I also have a very common,
really powerful formula that calms the liver, offers it some
blood, kind of like it's a really angry dog.
And you're like, here, here, take some of this, you know,
like, and have it stop harassingthe digestion and then boost the
digestion and you build it up sothat it, it counteracts that

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terrible cycle that really, really hurts.
It's a vicious cycle that then the digestion can't make more
blood and the liver needs blood.And so you need acupuncture to
break us out. I can't tell you how common this
is any age of women. And it's with my with like one
treatment and 1 bottle of this formula and it's life changing.

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OK, so you mentioned women and childbirth and the menstruation.
Let's talk a little bit about children.
Is is acupuncture, is that something that even children can
utilize and benefit from? Absolutely.
We have a really fun time with children.
I I've actually needled A2 year old, the 2 year old just she was

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just lying there really chill. I use tiny, tiny needles.
I call them light sabers. They're really, they're neon
green and I'm like, what are youdoing sabers?
And they're like, it's fun. So even just getting 4 needles
in a child, that's enough. If they're very thin, they're
very shallow, they barely see them.
They're very surprised about that.
And even just that can do a lot for a child.

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But of course there are childrenwho don't want the needles and
that's fine. We can do acupressure.
I use ear feeds that kind of, it's a little seed on a little
Band-Aid and I stick it on theirbody.
That can help. That can be really effective as
well because of course the kids chi is closer to the surface and
it's moving faster and it's likeready to respond to whatever

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stimuli we give it. The other thing we use is I have
an Electro stimulation machine, but instead of connecting it to
needles and having it jiggle with the painful areas, usually
the glutes, I'll put it on a facial probe.
And so then I just put it on their skin.
So it's an electric current, butthere's no puncturing.

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So they might feel a little, a little zapping, but just a
little bit. We call it the tickle machine.
And so that's another way to do it.
And of course, there's cupping. I use the silicone cups with the
kids and I like to teach parentshow to use the silicone cups.
Like like when your kid has a fever, you, you cup them right
in this upper area because all the heat is going up.
And so if you cup here, they're like, oh, I feel better.

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And then they can take a nap, which is what you want them to
do. So the body can keep fighting
off the infection, right? We also have pediatric herbal
formulas that are in glycerin instead of alcohol.
My kids have been getting low since they're about six months
old. The kids don't mind them.
They're used to them. So instead of being sick for
three weeks, my kids are sick for three days.
As soon as as soon as there's anonset, we do the cupping, we do

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the ear seats, we do the pediatric formulas and we change
the food. This is one of the most
important things I like to tell everyone is whenever you have
phlegm or your child has any type of phlegm, the nose, the
chest, anywhere, you have to cutout all dairy, you have to cut
out all citrus. People are like, what about what
about citrus? I thought orange juice is

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healthy. Not for phlegm.
It makes more phlegm. I have a personal experience
with this. I was born very ill, extreme
asthma, extreme allergies. And I remember my, my doctor dad
and my nurse mom had no idea what to feed me.
And so they'd give me big glasses of orange juice And so I
would drink it and then I'd be like, like literally drowning in

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phlegm. And so, and I've, I've, I tried
it, I tried it out as an adult and like, it really makes a
difference. And I can see it in people, even
if they have residual phlegm andI see them eat dairy or drink
citrus, it creates more phlegm. And usually when, when parents
come back, oh, my kids so sick. Have you cut out dairy and and
citrus? No, they're, they're having

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orange juice right now. And I'm like, you have to cut it
out. This is this is one of the most
practical tools, practical tips that I want to give everyone for
themselves and for their children.
And so, yeah, Chinese medicine works really, really fabulously.
Awesome. Well, yeah, we only have 15 more
minutes in the show. We've got some hands up.

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Let's go ahead and jump over to some questions.
And AJ, what question do you have for Elizabeth today?
A number of questions. Elizabeth, thank you for being
on the show with us. Just as far as the orange juice,
we don't drink our sugar so that, you know, the citrus, you

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know, lemon water might be a little different, but you know,
there's no sugar in lemon water.But I, I can actually recall
giving my cousin some tangy tangerine, which is our flagship
product. And upon him drinking the tangy

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tangerine, he stopped sneezing. He went back to drinking his
sugary iced tea and he's it's sneezing and I'm like, you did
notice that when you drank the tangy tangerine, you weren't
seasoned. He said, oh, that didn't happen.
And I'm just like, OK, we don't drink our so that's that's the

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point I wanted to make there. My question is, I see some
kidneys behind you on the wall. I hope it didn't hurt the person
you took them from. But but we I have someone I'm
working with who's having trouble urinating and this
gentleman mentioned to me, I'm not AI don't work with what do

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you what do you call these things, Becca?
Essential oils. I don't.
I'm not an I'm. What do you call that person
that does the essential oil thing?
Aromatherapist. OK, I'm not an aromatherapist
but he mentioned to me that whenhe used, I forget which one.

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The one that that makes you sleepy I think maybe.
Lavender. He used lavender, it was one of
them. He was told to rub it on his
kidneys. He rubbed it on his kidneys and
he was able to to urinate. But he's looking for some

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solutions. Is acupuncture something that
will help him that that could potentially help him in addition
to the herbal formulas, etcetera?
Yes, absolutely. My first question is how old is
he? He's got to be in his 70s.
Yeah. So if he's in his 70s, he
probably has benign prostatic hyperplasia.

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It's probably his, his prostate,it's probably enlarged and it's
pressing up against his urethra or your, his ureter.
That's, that's generally what itis.
But yes, acupuncture can help with, if that's what it is,
because it very often is. It can help with that.
It can help shrink the prostate.We actually needle we need all
over the body. So if we need to, we will needle

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the prostate through obviously through the skin and we treat
the urinary bladder channel, it goes down the leg and the kidney
channel. And so we would want to see if
there's any blockage. So there can be blockage of tea,
there can be actual physical blockage, which I talked about
with the prostate hitting up against it.

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He, he really doesn't need to get that checked out.
Of course, we know that there are herbs and supplements that
help with prostate issues and Chinese medicine has specific
ones, formulas that in case it'salready enlarged to, to take it
down and then to, to make sure there's a good flow and also

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just boost the kidney function in case there is an actual
kidney issue. That we have different ways of
diagnosing that whether there's heat in his body or cold or if
he has, well, I won't go into all those details, but there I
would need more diagnostic tools.
But the answer is yes. The answer is absolutely yes.
So I should tell him to call youand allow you to stick a needle

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in his prostate? Is that what you said?
Well, no. I mean, I've done it.
We, I, I work on all parts of the body.
And so we, we, whenever it needsto happen, that's what we do.
Thank you very much. It's going to help.
It's totally worth it. Awesome.

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Great question. Thank you so much.
AJ, as you opened up another area that acupuncture can be
beneficial for, let's go on overto Phyllis.
I think Phyllis is next. Yep.
Phyllis, what question do you have for Elizabeth today?
Hello, Elizabeth. I'm really enjoying hearing how

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you work with your clients. You know, the actual things that
you do. And also you've talked a lot
about how you make suggestions to people so the treatment will
be more effective. And I wanted to hit on the
nutrition angle for a minute. I have a client, the cats are
all over me. I have a client who has had

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acupuncture for arthritis and including cupping and it was not
effective. And so he wasn't accessing the
potential of that therapy. And when he had a food
sensitivity blood test, we foundthat he was eating foods
considered good foods every single day.

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He was eating eggs and almonds and tested sensitive to that.
So I just want to put it out there.
Can people go back and and retrythese therapies now that they've
paid attention to that area? I can comment on that.
Yeah, that's a, that's a really good idea because I think what
you're saying is that he was eating something that is
seemingly healthy but wasn't healthy for him.

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And so it could have been causing some type of like immune
response, allergic reaction in him that the acupuncture may not
have been able to overcome. Is that correct?
Yeah. And so, yeah.
So if he was able to figure out that he is sensitive to that, I
mean, of course, I would hope that his his symptoms are are
already getting better from not taking something that is
irritating to him. And then the acupuncture would

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would be able to be more effective if there's not other
things counteracting it. Not to mention acupuncture could
take more than one session to feel a difference for arthritis.
I'm, I'm assuming we're talking about osteoarthritis, the wear
and tear type of arthritis, not rheumatoid or anything like
that. Yeah.
And so. Osteo and he actually had a

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series of 12 treatments including cupping and and maybe
he didn't get the trash taken out after the cupping was an
issue also. Interesting.
Well, it, it's hard to say because I, I'd like to assume
that all of us acupuncturist arebasically doing the same thing
and, and able to really help ourpatients.
But of course, that's what I come up with.
I was like, what, what, what wasthe acupuncturist doing and in

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what way? And were they needling
correctly? And did they have enough time
with the patient? And there's lots of questions
that I have. Did they diagnose it properly?
Like were they hitting the rightpoints?
And so because that's, that's unfortunate that he went for 12
sessions and still didn't feel adifference.
But I I would say yes, but I would also say try a different
practitioner. That's what I'm getting.

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Yes, that sometimes that's it because I hate to say it, but
I've seen people treat other practitioners try to treat pain
and their needling is I'm like, they're not, that's not, that's
not what I would do at all. You know, like I maybe because I
was an athlete and I've been in pain myself, I'm like, no, we're
going to we're going to get at that.
We're going to go deep. We're going to as long as the

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patient's fine with it, like I really want it to be effective.
And so, and sometimes we have to, we go from the front, we go
from the back, we go from the side.
Like within those 12 treatments,after the first one, if he
didn't feel something, I would have changed it.
And then if the second time you didn't feel something would have
again changed it. That's what didn't happen.
That's what did or didn't happen.
Did not. He did the same thing over and

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over again. Here.
I mean, here's an example of that.
Like women, again, I do specialize in women.
I treat men. Men are kind of easier since
I've talked about women a lot because they're a little
complicated. I'm treating their low back, I'm
treating their low back. I'm treating their low back.
Nothing's happening. And then it's finally like, how
many babies did you have? And did you have the diastasis

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recti? Did your muscles in the front of
your abdomen separate? Did you ever get that diagnosed?
No, I have no idea what you're talking about.
We need to go to a pelvic floor therapist.
Do you have urinary incontinence?
Oh, yeah, it's terrible. You have diastasis recti.
That's why working your back hasn't been working.
You have a separation in your abdomen and so your low back is
holding on to the abdomen like this, but it's because it's not

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met here. So you have like a physical
issue and you need a pelvic floor therapist.
Or I mean, some people actually get the surgery and have it sewn
back together, which the resultsare amazing for that.
But if, but that's extreme and at first we need a public third
therapist to work those AB muscles back.
Otherwise I can needle you from the back forever and nothing's
going to happen. It's not tension, it's weakness.

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A lot of times people think it'stension.
This isn't tension, this is weakness.
Or there's an asymmetry from right to left or front to back
that we need to correct. We need to stretch the front and
we need to strengthen the back, for example.
And people think it's this is tension and it's too strong.
It's not strong. This is strong from from
computers and phones and driving.

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This is what's strong and it's pulling and this is weak.
These actually, this actually needs to be stretched and the
back needs to be strengthened. This just an example of how we
have to keep looking at it in different ways.
And if you're not getting results from acupuncture, you
got to try something else and you have to try someone else.
Yes, don't give up in other words and seek that balance that

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you're describing between what what needs to happen.
I do have a question. You had mentioned using
electrical stimulation of needles and I'm familiar with
how chiropractors can use dry needling with electrical
stimulating stimulation, but what you're doing is a little
different. Can you tell us how it's
different from that? You know, that's interesting.

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I, I don't know if I knew that physical therapists are actually
using the Electro stem with the needles because, and actually,
if, if I'm correct, that is actually is what I do.
So the physical therapists are basically borrowing an
acupuncture technique. Some of the acupuncturists were
upset about this. See, which is kind of
understandable. I choose not to be upset because

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I'm just glad people are gettingrelief, you know, and they're
not, they don't. They just have the tiny little
bit. They know how to find the
tension, put the needle in, try to release it on a trigger
point. I'm guessing they're attaching
the electrostom like with an alligator clip like I do, to the
needles. And then you ramp it up on the
electric current and then it starts, depending on where

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you're at, it can jiggle. The whole thing is it's jiggling
out the tension. So that is an acupuncture
technique that the physical therapist, let's go with
borrowed, adopted and, and now charge for it.
And acupuncturist, we, we tried to fight it because it's really
that's, that is in the realm of acupuncture.

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But you know what they can't do?They can't regulate menses.
They can't help with fertility. They don't know how to promote
natural labor. They don't have to deal with
menopause or, or oncology. They don't know how to do that.
They don't have to calm the mindwith the needles And so great,
they can help with pain. Fabulous.
We still do all of the other things on top of helping with
the pain. Thank you so much, Elizabeth.

(57:27):
You're welcome. All right.
Thank you, Phyllis, and thank you, Elizabeth for that amazing
insight and input. And Marilyn, what question do
you have for today? I'm OK.
I've had carpal tunnel for a long time.
I do a lot of typing and we had talked a little bit before the

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show that I had gone to an acupuncturist and they worked on
my ankles, the outer ankles and I went into like a seizure.
I kept kicking for like I would say it was like at least 2
minutes straight. They couldn't get it to stop and
they said it's just normal, let it pass and it did.
And acupuncture just really helps my carpal tunnel like
disappears if I do regular treatments on an ongoing basis.

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Definitely. What I did have a question about
though is I've gone to them for I lack my sense of smell.
Is there a way that the acupuncture's can help with
that? I've been told that they can't.
What's your take on that? Yeah, that's a, that's a
challenging 1. And I, I feel like it's
actually, I don't know if it's new because of COVID taking away

(58:32):
smells or not. It's new to me.
Like when I was in acupuncture school, I don't ever remember
them teaching us or talking to us about, oh, this is how you,
you know, regenerate the sense of smell.
That was not something that I think they taught us.
So I don't know as much as I like to say we treat everything,
you know, like we, I mean, I treat the nose, right?

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Like if people have no nose, nasal congestion, whatever.
Like we do the Yin Tong here, wedo the B Tong here, we can open,
so we can physically open the passageways and we do the Li 4
because it's the command point for the whole head, for example.
And I know how to, I know how tolike draw, draw phlegm out of
the head if it's like affecting the ears or the nose.

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So there are things that we can do.
Those are probably the things that I would do in order to set
the body up to restore the senseof smell.
And then has actual after doing that, someone said that they do
feel they can. Unfortunately, unfortunately I
don't have a case study where that has occurred.

(59:35):
I was kind of just letting you know, like if a patient came in
and told me that, which they have, I, I try all those things.
Have I actually restored the sense of smell for sure with a
patient from acupuncture? I, I cannot say that I have
successfully done that yet. And, and I think it's a question
for some of my teachers, for some of the masters to see if

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it's even possible because I, asfar as I can tell, that's like
it's a new issue, you know, likeit wasn't something that was so
common before the COVID lost, you know, side effect of loss of
smell. I wish I had a better answer for
you now. Right.
And it seemed to be it when right Ron COVID when I had a lot
of more congestion, yes. And then now it's gotten it

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back. You know, it's interesting like
because when I, when I don't think acupuncture can help or if
I try everything with acupuncture, I try everything
with the herbs, then I move on to like what, what's next?
What else can we do? Can, is there manual
manipulation? Can like a roll for for example,
like they're going to go in the mouth, maybe in the nose, maybe
in the ears. Like is there something manually

(01:00:39):
that can be done? Is can Reiki, can some type of
energy healing be done? Is there a desensitization
process using olfactory system? Those are just some thoughts.
So when I have a patient who comes to me with something that
I don't have an answer for, I just pretend like it's me.
And then I blurred out a bunch of things like I just did.
I'm like, well, maybe we can think about this, or let's do
research here, or maybe we can find someone who has the answer

(01:01:01):
right. Because they say that because in
the past they just say we can't help you with that.
Just, you know, I just had this,I, I just heard this Marilyn,
recently I had a patient come like from an hour away.
Someone told her like, you have to come see her because her
acupuncturist said, oh, you havetinnitus.
Good luck with that. She did not like that response.

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And I said I, I disagree. There are two types of tonight
of tinnitus. 1 is high pitched, 1 is low pitched.
Low pitched, OK, fine. It's very difficult to treat.
It's from, it's usually the person who's very old or they
have damaged their ears from being like aviation or job or
something like that. But high pitched, that's the
liver. We can treat that.

(01:01:42):
We can absolutely treat that. So I felt bad for this patient.
She came all the way to me for me to say like, no, your
acupuncturist is misinformed, maybe a little bit jaded, and
that's not helpful. There are a bunch of reasons why
she's hanging ringing in her ears.
It's not just the ringing. Let's treat every single thing
about her and hopefully that will also get better.

(01:02:02):
But to just say like, good luck with that.
That's not how we, that's not how we treat patients.
That's not what we say. Well, maybe I'll send some of my
clients your way. Thank you.
And you know. Marilyn, you're close enough.
You could go see her as well. Well, The funny thing is it's
like, hey, maybe I can't specifically treat the one thing
that you're talking about, but can I make your sleep better and

(01:02:24):
your digestion better? Are you going to be happier?
You know, like, is your poop going to get better?
Like all of the different things?
And we just treat one thing after another.
And then people's lives get better and they're like, I feel
better having a better time in my life, but I don't really
think I need to come see. You, I remember.
Your next friend. I remember overall when I had
like 12 treatments in one year, that was I was going to pay for.

(01:02:46):
But anyway, I the whole energy, everything changed.
The sense of calm has changed definitely.
That was one thing I really noticed.
It really does. I love my maintenance friends.
Like 12 sessions in a year. That's one per month.
Fabulous. Do that.
Think of all of the things that you might be preventing when
you're doing that and you just have a check in with someone
that you trust with someone who knows cares about you and knows

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you at least a little bit. And if anything starts creeping
up, knock it out with this. Go try that.
Go do this. And then they're like, oh, OK,
good. And they feel like they have
someone on their side on their team as opposed to just like,
oh, life is kind of not great. And it just like gets worse and
worse and slips through their fingers.
When I think about my ankles, when I think about my ankles and
what they probably unblocked. Why that occurred I have no

(01:03:32):
idea, because I didn't see any swelling or anything in my
ankles, nothing. But there was a lot of blockage
apparently. That's fascinating and it could
be, I mean, because we're working with electricity in the
body, we're like mechanically we're open, we're vasodilating,
we are, you know, opening up those spaces and we're
regenerating nerves and we're working out.
Maybe the nerves are all bundledand we're like we work you that

(01:03:54):
got worked out. Yours were some reason.
They were kind of like misfiringpossibly, and then you got all
of that frenetic energy out and then it was able to be smooth.
We just went smooth and calm allthe time.
We don't want crazy anything. We just need to smooth it out.
That's what it sounds like. What happened?
I was like freaking out the therapist like do this happens
like all the time or something more common but I was.

(01:04:16):
Had that. I mean, I would like to see that
because I have not seen that exact thing happen, but that
sounds fascinating. But weird things do happen and
they're like, it's better. I'm like, yeah, I planned that.
Sure. OK.
Thank you. Appreciate you you're.
Welcome. Awesome.
Thank you, Marilyn and AJ, I'm on back.

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Yeah, so as far as tinnitus, youknow, Doctor Wallach tells us
how to deal with tinnitus. And you know, the first thing I
noticed when I started taking the Youngevity Nutrition was my
sense of smell got very sharp. And and in fact, that was
something that this is pre the Cword was a thing.

(01:05:04):
So you know, the osteoporosis, the skull, which is what Doctor
Wallach talks about squeezing any one of our 12 pairs of
cranial nerves, you know, can affect us in other ways.
But my my question is, I tell Becca all time that she should

(01:05:28):
go see a Tui Na person. Do you agree that Tui na might
be beneficial? I love tui na.
I had I, I, I've done tui na like I, it's, it's medical
Chinese massage. It's not, it's not relaxing
necessarily. It's not, it's not like with

(01:05:49):
oil. It's mostly, it's mostly with
the hands and the elbows and there's some rocking.
I, it is fun. It's so in China when you have
an ailment, first you go get nutritional advice and they
might give you a bag of to make the kanji and then that if you
have like a physical thing, thenyou go to massage and then and
then on only then do you go to acupuncture.

(01:06:10):
Acupuncture is like for like thebig issues, but massage is
actually part of the medical system.
They have massage therapists in the hospitals treating issues.
So I think between our great, it's like, for example, you
know, you have a knee issue, they're going to work.
They it's called rolling and they use their hand and it's
kind of it's like this, you're using this as like your nice
edge. That's a lot of what we do.

(01:06:31):
And yeah, it can work out the tension and it can.
And they're going to follow the channels very much like
acupuncture. It's just that the therapist is
working way harder than using needle.
But you know, I, I love Tweena. It's definitely part of Chinese
medicine and, and something thatI use occasionally, especially

(01:06:52):
with, I use some elbows here andthere, but I'm also trained with
other massage and shiatsu and all of that.
So any combination is great. Which one's the best?
You know, that's a good question, but I think they're
just they're just different. I like to how Tweena is very it
really gets into right where theareas are, whereas shiatsu it's

(01:07:14):
working more with the pressure points.
And so you're kind of like, why are they randomly pressing on
the side of my body? But then afterwards you're like,
I feel amazing. So it's a little bit more
esoteric. I would say the Shiatsu and
Tweena is like, oh, you have problem there.
We get it. So we go for it very direct that
sounds. Painful.
That sounds really painful. No, yeah, way more painful than

(01:07:37):
getting acupuncture. It definitely is.
It's easier because when you have a the pressure that you
have to use on a point that you could just insert a needle and
pop that trigger point like yourwhole, your whole muscle
fasciculates. When you really get the right
point, that's nothing compared to what you'd have to do with
your elbow and get that little point in.
So people who don't like that acupuncture is a better idea.

(01:08:00):
If you like the pain and you want to get, you know, really
worked out, then go to Tweena. But you're going to have to find
a big strong person for that Tweena.
It's it's not an easy, it's not easy to give Tweena is what I'm
saying. I feel sweaty just thinking
about it. It it sounds a little bit like

(01:08:21):
infrastructural fascia release, not fascia really.
Release is not the word, but yeah, I've had that a couple of
times and and you do you feel sogood afterwards.
Yeah, I. I learned that I laugh at pain.
Where some people like scream and cuss, I just laugh.

(01:08:44):
But I laugh too. I mean, sometimes I cry, but I
laugh because it's just an energy release.
Like however we can release energy, we need to release it as
much as possible. I tell people that a lot.
Sometimes they cry. That's a release of energy for
the liver. Tears are the fluid of the
liver, but even just laughing, sighing is also help for the
liver, but laughing is for the heart.
It gets out the heart. Cheat it, it boosts it.

(01:09:05):
So all of those reactions are helpful and positive.
We just need to keep things moving through our bodies,
whether they're physical or they're emotional.
We have. If they get stuck, they cause
problems. If you keep them moving through,
much better. Awesome.
Fantastic. And Olga and England loves Thai
massage herself. Well, let's go up to Albert and

(01:09:28):
yes will be the last question ofthe day.
Thank you so much, Elizabeth. Albert, what question do you
have? Hi there, Elizabeth.
Thanks again for being on the show with us.
But what I wanted to find out isit's a bit far for me to pop
over and see you. So if I wanted to see someone a

(01:09:49):
good acupuncturist here in SouthAfrica, what would I do to find
out or, you know, who is a good acupuncturist or not?
Yeah, that's a great question, Albert.
I wish I maybe I can just fly toSouth Africa to come see you.
Yeah. Come on, Albert, that's fun.
I'll go with you. OK, let's just go.

(01:10:09):
We'll go surfing. There's one website that I know
of. It's called
acufinderacufinder.com. I'm not sure if it's
international to be honest. I personally, I mean, I could
personally like reach out to my professional group or possibly
LinkedIn, LinkedIn, you might beable to find it as well.

(01:10:29):
So that's more international. I wish I had a better answer for
that, for that question. And I, I'm, I'm trying to think
of if I know anyone who is in South Africa.
I had, I had a colleague who wasfrom South Africa, but I don't
know if she went back or not. So I kind of want to double
check for you and and get that information to you if I can't
find someone. No, but that's great.

(01:10:51):
Thanks. Because you did say that there
are times where you're going to have to move and get to another
one. But even for those in America,
you know, not everybody would beable to just get over to you and
it's finding somebody good as opposed to doing the heads of
miss all the time. It's a you know what, it's not a
perfect system. I hear what you're saying.
The ACU Finder plus then there'smy college and my college has

(01:11:14):
three campuses. It's called Pacific College of
Health Sciences and they have a San Diego at Chicago and in New
York. And so going to them directly
and possibly asking them for a referral list or going to the,
you know, if anyone's close to those schools, going to the
school and seeing the instructors, then that way you
can learn more and maybe try outa different couple of different

(01:11:37):
modalities, different types of acupuncture to find out what you
like and, and to get a referral list of their graduates because
I feel confident about graduatesof our school.
Fantastic. Well and thank you Albert.
There may be a school there in South Africa that you can go and
visit. But folks, I just want to say

(01:12:00):
thank you everybody for jumping in and being part of today's
program plugging in. I hope that you learned
something that you can take awayin in having some some outlets
to help with the emotional, the spiritual with the flow through

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the body of the blood that then helps the body itself be able to
do what it was designed to do. Now, just a reminder, this
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It is not meant to take the place your primary care
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The body itself can do some amazing things.
This program is being sponsored by Daily with doc.com.
We invite you to go check out the articles that we have there
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Doctor Wallach is definitely notin favor of gluten as it is a
protein that our bodies have a hard time digesting.
Now Elizabeth, you are part of South Bay Family Acupuncture in
the San Diego area, Bonita specifically.
How else can we get more information or do you have an

(01:13:33):
outlet that that people can go and get more information just to
empower and enlighten themselves?
Do you have a YouTube channel yet?
I don't have a YouTube channel yet.
I'm working on it. So well, for a little personal
side note, I just went through athree-year high conflict
divorce, but I'm divorced, praise God.

(01:13:56):
And so I am about to launch everything I'm working on
getting that I had to, I had to take care of that first.
And now I am, I'm ready to, to launch and do all of that.
And so stay tuned is what I haveto say.
I'm not that for now. Awesome.
Well, I hope that you are, you know, you may feel free to use

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this video as one of the first ones for your YouTube channel.
There you go. As we introduce you and how if
people have any information or any questions.
Now folks, I don't want you to think you can just call
Elizabeth and get a bunch of free information.
But Elizabeth, is there anythingthat you would are able to offer

(01:14:45):
any articles that you've writtenthat we might be able to send to
our subscribers that has your information on it as well?
I'm going to think about that. I might have something that I
co-authored. I'm going to, I'd have to check
and I could share that. But I actually don't mind
getting some emails and I will respond to them as soon as I can
and just kind of give people a little bit of information or

(01:15:08):
referrals or references or anything like that.
I'd be, I'd be happy to do that.OK, well here is her.
E-mail address SB as in boy F asin Frank ACUPU ncture@gmail.com.

(01:15:31):
Again, that's SBF acupuncture@gmail.com.
Thank you so much, Elizabeth, for all that you have
contributed to our community. Greatly appreciate you and I
look forward to speaking with you more and helping you in
being more out there, spreading your wings and doing what you've

(01:15:54):
been called to do. Thank you so much.
You're welcome and thank you forhaving me everyone.
Well, thank you, thank you, thank you.
And I just want to do a thank you also to my Co host team for
today. We've got Albert down in South
Africa helping to let people in.We have Phyllis out holding the
information questions, bringing them in from the different

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platforms we have, and she's also doing a lot in the chat as
well. We have Marilyn who's doing
transcription, putting information into the chat.
And we have AJ bringing in questions and keeping an eye on
things out in the different social media platforms also.
Thank you everybody for being part of this community as you

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are investing time in yourself so that you can then help
yourself, your family, your community, and together we can
help make a healthier world all the way around.
Until next time, Thanks everybody for joining us.
Oh AJ, do you have been bites next week?

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We do have been bites on Monday,I'm not sure what time.
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