Episode 64 - A Real Son of Anarchy: Johnny Lewis

Young actor Johnny Lewis was hot off his role on Sons of Anarchy and relationship with pop superstar Katy Perry. However, in just a few years he would be found dead in a driveway with his skull cracked open. This week on Death in Entertainment.

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Young actor Johnny Lewis was hotoff his breakout role on Sons of
Anarchy in his relationship withpop superstar Katy Perry.
In just a few years, he would bedead in a Hollywood Hills
driveway with his skull bashed in.
This week on Death and Entertainment live from Los

(00:25):
Angeles 911. What is your emergency?
They're in Hollywood. Now.
Two counts of murder, injury anddeath.
Oh my God. Shocking new details.
It has stunned the entertainmentworld.
This makes me a little nervous. The hair stood up on my arms,
just like in the movies. What do you call this thing
anyway? Death in entertainment.

(00:49):
Oh, my Lord Dennos. Are back.
We made it happened. On the other side of a new year.
Jesus Christ, Jeepers Creepers, we made it.
How are you? How are you?
Hi. Hey, guys.
Doing What's going on? Dude?
Feeling very 2023. Yeah, I guess.
I guess we we, we're doing it again.
Yeah, feeling like the same old me.

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Yeah, we took a little break, but we came right back.
Yeah, here we are. Here we are.
Yeah, we don't rest long now. Just take a nap, drink some
water. Yeah, get right back into it.
Yeah. Shake it off.
Rub some dirt on it. Get right back out there.
Get. Back in.
Get back in. What's going on, everybody?
My name is Kyle Plouffe. My name is Mark Mulkaren.
And I'm Alejandro Dowling and. This episode we may be in 2023,

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but this episode will take us toSeptember 26th, 2012.
Alejandro, what's happening withmusic?
September 26, 2012, number 3. Some nights by period fun.

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Some nights are here. I remember that group.
I kind of liked them. Fun.
Well, their name was fun, so youkind of have to like them.
Yeah. There was a period.
What was the point of that period?
I don't know. Yeah, I didn't.
I didn't write it out correctly on the list here, but it's
lowercase. FUN period, but I don't know
what. Oh, the period was after the N

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Yes, OK. And they did the song tonight.
Yeah, yeah. And some nights that was the
other big one. Some nights, something,
something, yeah. You got it.
Yeah, it's fun. Period.
OK, I thought it was period fun.That would be even more weird,
but it would still there's not way out of character.
Of this, it's kind of the same idea.

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Yeah, same stupid shit. But yeah, they were on the
charts at that time. What did they have a third song
or was it just those? I think that was I think.
That was it. And then one of the members was
dating Lena Dunham. Is that true?
Yeah, and they were in the news all the time.
Oh, really? Yeah, because she was blowing up
with girls at that. Time.
What a bad time. She blew up, you know what I

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mean? OK, let's.
Relax, somebody else making a fat joke on the.
Pod wait, that could be interpreted as not a.
That's not be ableist, that's not be any of these things I
meant. Before she blew up late, you
know her later career, Sure. Yeah.
You know her follow up to Girls,which was yeah, nothing.
Does anyone know? Which I think was.

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Just getting cancelled. People just got very annoyed
with her. Book where she admitted to
molesting her. Siblings.
Her sister. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, and then she, she like,
was like, live tweeting about some singer or some entertainer
who just wouldn't talk to her atsome dinner.
Yeah, some like Oscars dinner. And people like, who the fuck do
you think you are, Lena Dunham? Who cares?

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And she had that bad press during the Me Too stuff.
Did she? Because there was someone that
accused one of the producers or writers on Girls of misconduct.
Yeah. And then Lena Dunham came out
publicly and said, oh, don't listen to her.
We know the real facts in this case.
Oh yeah, He didn't do anything. It was believe all women until

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Lena Dunham's involved. Until Lena Dunham says to not
believe that woman. Oh no.
So she had to apologize for that.
And now I think she's just tweeting from her mansion, from
her swimming pool. She comes from Money too.
She's a neppo baby also. So no one's crying for Lena
Dunham. No, yeah #2 I think we best move

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on of. Course.
We are never ever getting back together.
Taylor Swift. Sure.
And don't ask her about her ex boyfriends because she ain't
going to answer the question. But it'll be in the next record,
yeah. Is this about Jake Gyllenhaal or
who's this about? Who's it like?
Jake, that was so fake. Her lyrics are just vague

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booking, like, I can't tell you,but you should know something
bad's going on. Yeah, can't tell you what it's
actually about. And I love when people.
Do that. Don't ask her about it.
Yeah, remember that. They would ask her on the red
carpet and she'd give a dirty look.
How dare you? She's playing the character.
I kind of respect that. It's like an Andy Kaufman that
she's. Doing.
And she was mad when Tina Fey and Amy Poehler made a joke at

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the Golden Globes or something. Yeah, she she's fake mad, but
she knows how to stir the pot and get people you know,
responding exactly interested. Yeah.
You know, yeah, yeah. Ask her more.
That was the movement on the redcarpet.
Oh, really? You know, don't talk about ex
boyfriends and don't ask who they're wearing.
OK, who would you? Remember that though.

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No. That was a movement.
You remember 2012 so. Well, it was like Oscar so White
kind of thing. Oh, was it OK?
All right, we best move on. Yeah, number one, this list
isn't going so well. No.
We're we're in the muck. Yeah, well, 2012 was bad,
obviously. One More Night by Maroon 5.

(05:59):
One more crappy song. Yeah, one more hit that they
were lucky to shit out. Yeah, more.
Headache. Well, they're cancelled now,
right? Because of the lead singer or.
Something. Yeah.
What's up with him right now? They're not cancelled.
But yeah. Adam Levine.
Well, you can't really go anywhere when when your lead
singers cancelled, Yeah. What did he do?

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He was just cheating on his wifeand messaging people and.
That you can't do that. He was being a dirty dog, this
guy dirty dog. He was with doing something with
Lena Donna, he. Didn't do anything that bad.
He was just being a rock star. That's what they do, you know.
He dated Taylor Swift. What's going on now?

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He was just messaging some girl on Twitter that he wanted to
bang so. Yeah, he was just having one
more night with a few women. Yeah.
No, that's about it. Well, you can't have one more
night anymore. Yeah.
Yeah. And you know what I want?
What's that? I want to hear about the movie.
Let's hear about the. Movies.
Kind of. This music, Yeah, terrible. #3
in the box office, September 26,2012.

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Resident Evil Retribution. What number is that 7-8?
They they lost track resident. Evil refund please.
Yeah, Mila Jovovich. What's her name?
Jovovich. Jovovich.
She she has no idea what number.What are they doing?
No, she doesn't even know what movie she's doing anymore.
She's like where? Check.
Yeah, yeah, her English is getting worse over the years

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instead of getting better as sheaccommodates to.
America, they're like, you have to act.
First, yeah, they dangle in front of her like a dog.
You have you do the Resident Evil, then you get the checky.
Yeah. #2 is the possession. Julianne Moore Really don't know
about it. I don't.
Just a shot in the dark. I think it was the Julian.

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Possession. Yeah.
I can't even picture what this is.
Yeah, the possession. I know it.
Sounds like they started with the title and they wrote the
movie around it. Yeah, I like because.
There was a movie called Possession with Aaron Eckhart.
Maybe that's what I'm thinking. No, but that was many years
before. Oh, maybe that's a Julianne
Moore movie. I'm so this is not Julianne

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Moore. It's Jeffrey Dean Morgan and
Kyra Sedgwick. I I know nothing.
About And this was in theaters, yeah.
Clearly #2 in the box office. I know, I'm just trying to
confirm. 2012 we've we've proventhat nothing good came.
Out of yeah, this year kind of sucks.
Terrible. Yeah, this is a psychological,

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supernatural horror film. Yeah.
No thank you. Produced by Sam Raimi.
Oh, I like Sam Raimi though, yeah.
Well, now we're talking. Yeah, we're talking.
Yeah. Now we're talking about
something else. Yeah.
Number one. The number one movie, September
26th, 2012. Hotel Transylvania.
Never saw it. Adam Sandler and yeah.

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No, this this is animated. I think Dan Dan Harmon wrote it.
Really. I think so.
I believe Adam Sandler does the voice of a vampire.
He does, yeah. I'm a vampire.

(09:16):
Yeah, it's Adam Sandler, Andy Samberg.
How do you pronounce this Gendy Tartowski?
Yeah. Chart Takowski Oh, that's that's
the animator that put this together.
Yeah, I'm thinking of Monster House.
That was Dan Hartman. So.
Selena Gomez, David Spade, KevinJames.
So there's a murderer's row of this whole thing, I think.

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Murderer's row of the cast of grown-ups.
Yeah, yeah, for real. There is four of these now.
So it's a whole franchise. Yeah.
Wasn't there one where they go to the beach or something?
Probably. No, we're talking about Hotel
Transylvania. No, there is one, I swear, on
the beach. Yes.
I thought you're talking about grown-ups.
No. Hotel Transylvania 3 summer

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vacation. What?
See, I'm not lying. They jumped the shark in the
movies there. Hey, he knows a lot about Taylor
Swift and Hotel. Trans.
I know you. You have bizarre knowledge of
these things. I would not steal you wrong when
it comes to Hotel Transylvania franchise or lady.
Gaga or Lady Gaga? Or Lady Gaga.
Or Taylor Swift. That's right, you know.

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I'm fascinated. You write 100 songs about ex
boyfriends. Yeah.
And she doesn't want to talk about it, right?
Don't, don't ask. Me What is the deal with Taylor
Swift? We went out on.
Top I'm in ATV show. It wasn't cancelled.
Larry KEGG. Yeah, and so far, neither is

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this podcast. We're still going.
We're still going and we're getting into the story.
Let's do this. OK, well, our subject today is

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actor Johnny Lewis. Oh boy.
OK, yeah. So this isn't like an A list
icon. Persons of Interest is back and
it's bigger than ever. That scream will echo in my head
for many years. Taina, taina, taina.

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You're going to shoot boy shop by got five shot 5.
He had the perfect aim. I am absolutely stressed at that
point. I have no idea where my officers
are. Persons of interest available
everywhere you get your podcasts.

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No, he was a background player. He was a background player who
actually, he did have a starringrole eventually.
But yes, LA native, actually born and raised in North
Hollywood, where we are right now.
Would you look at that? In this studio, he team on the
desk, yeah. He was conceived, he came up, he
was conceived. And burst and raised in this

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room. So yeah, and he's right behind
you right now in the corner. Spoiler alert.
That's him, yeah. Wherever he is.
The skeleton. He was the middle child and had
parents and the entire family were Scientologists.
No. Yes.
Not exactly the poster boy. They they sort of disowned him,

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I'm sure. Who did Scientology?
Johnny Lewis. They're not real proud of him,
I'm sure. No, well, he turned his back on
them. First, Oh, he did.
He did. Yeah.
Well, the family, the family waskind of a Jewish oriented fam
household. And then the they eventually got
really into Scientology. So you can be both.

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I guess so. I well, I think they were just
Jewish and like the way that, you know, you can be like,
they're not like practicing likeas a religion.
They're just like they're Jewish.
As you would say, you could be aScientology.
Scientology, yeah, it's a whole sect.
And I don't want to get into thereasons I was there, but I
always remembered when I was at the Celebrity center.

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Oh yeah, you were like a. You were like a I don't want to
get into. You're a superstar that.
Yeah. I want to get into it after.
I story I you Told us is how youcrushed a comedy show at the
Scientology Center. After I killed at the open mind,
yeah. They carried you out like Rudy,
you said. A.
Stress test on me, whatever it'scalled.

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Oh yeah. And the girl that was giving it,
she was trying to convince me how good Scientology is.
And she could sense I was a little apprehensive.
Yeah. And she's like, well, you know
what? For me personally, I'll always
be a Catholic. Oh really?
But I'm a Scientologist too and I'm thinking I thought you had
to pick. One, they kind of butt heads

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those. Two.
Yeah, I know. It was weird.
Yeah. I don't know what her deal was,
but I always remember she did say that, yeah.
It's got to be any Catholic, Yeah, be like, don't worry,
you're not going to lose yourself completely.
You can still be whatever you want to be.
Yeah, to really like, you know, fish you in there.
Yeah, or really, give us your money.
Give us yeah, yeah. Get your family's money and shut
off your families. Yeah.

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And the Catholic Church And everyone else.
She has red horns in a tail. She's like, I'll always be
Catholic, yeah. Don't look at the horns.
The parents work their way up toa high level in the Scientology
church to operating Thetan or OT8, whatever that is.
They like work their way up and they were like the real deal

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Johnny. He like work with them and he
did like drug rehab videos for them for their Narcanan program,
which leads you to believe that maybe he did have a drug
problem, which is weird because no one like on the record would
say he did have a drug problem. But they said they said he was a
kooky kid, but he no one confirmif he was on drugs or not.

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But I think he was kind of, he was always kind of out there.
This is before he's 18, when he's an actual kid, yes.
Yeah, that's a weird thing to say about a kid.
He's a little out there, rambunctious.
We don't know if it's the drugs or just him being a silly kid.
People said he was intoxicating,not intoxicated.
Hello. That just means he's like a

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loud, like maniac, kind of. So why was he like killing and
open mics there or something? Ah well, they don't have that
room. Yeah, he wasn't that entire.
Yeah, imagine if we go there, there's a big shrine of
Alejandro on the wall. That would be fucking amazing.
Day comedy died or something? Or you find out I'm OT 7 or

(15:54):
whatever. So he he was auditioning for
roles starting at age 6. So he he wanted to be a child
actor. It was his choice at age 6.
That's what they say. But as we've noticed in a lot of
these stories, you know, Brittany Murphy, other people,
it's really the parent kind of low key turning them on to it

(16:17):
and then saying it was their idea after the fact.
Yeah, right. So like the Gerber baby?
And we're begging for months. I want to be the Gerber.
Baby. Hey, Pop, why don't you drive me
to a fucking audition over here?I'm a Gerber baby, OK?
Yeah. Andrew Dice, baby.
And changed my diaper once in a while.

(16:39):
My own this food sucks. He, you know, become.
He does become an actor. His first role at 7 years old,
he got a Pizza Hut commercial. Hello.
Which is it feels like a lot of actors.
First role is a pizza, some sortof pizza, commercial pizza.
Yeah. Paul Walker.
Paul Walker, right? Yeah, That was the freaky pizza.

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Yeah. Yeah, that weird pizza.
Rats. Yeah.
The mechanical rats. What a weird concept.
Yeah, Yeah. We don't want to go down.
Yeah, showbiz down that alleyway.
Again, Yeah, pizza had. That's pretty official.
Pretty official, yeah. National spot.
That's some big bucks here. Yeah.
So he be, he gets as he's like growing into like a teenager in

(17:21):
his early 20s. He's getting more and more
roles. So he moves out of the house.
It's like he's moving out to become a big actor, but he's
moving from the valley to basically Hollywood.
Yeah, he's already there. He's he's driving 10 minutes.
He moves in this place called the the Wilton Hilton.
Have you ever heard of? This the Wilton Hilton.
On on Wilton Blvd. which is likeoff of sunset there.

(17:45):
I've been there before. There's like a big, there's a
bunch of big houses down there where like groups of actors live
in shit. OK, so he made, like, a ragtag
group of actor friends that he lived with.
Yeah. And.
It was like a big house where you can just, like, rent a small
room and not pay like, you know,a one bedroom apartment fee.
And you can, you know, as a struggling actor or whatever

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you, you are singer. You can afford to live there.
Yeah. And like, be within the
Hollywood community without having to pay like $3000 for
rent. And were there other notable
people around him at this? There was Adam Brody from the OC
was there. Ashley Simpson lived there.
Oh, wow. Yeah.
Wasn't she rich already or no? I thought she would have been

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because her sister was kind of rich.
But, yeah. But I'm thinking my theory is
that maybe she wanted to go off on her own and be a struggling
person herself because he didn'tneed this either.
His parents live 10 minutes away.
So why do you even need to do this?
Yeah. I think it's just a way to be
social and be out of the house and, like, be independent.
Yeah. He started getting roles on

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shows like 7th Heaven, Boston Public, The Guardian, Malcolm in
the Middle, and Judging Amy. He he got a reoccurring role on
The OC as Dennis Chilli Childress.
Chilli Childress. Yeah, this is around like O four
O 5 he gets on the OC, which is,that's a big role.

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That's as big as it gets at thatage for a young actor.
And you're not just an extra, you're like a reoccurring actor.
You're not part of the main cast.
You're chilli Childress. Yeah, you're chilli Childress.
You're not just, you know, bum #2 yeah.
Yeah, you're stepping up a little bit.
You're becoming like a real actor.
Here you get lines. Yeah, and doing lines.

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Hello. Oh, well, not yet.
That's not confirmed. Yeah, I this is, in my opinion,
is what got him not the role of a lifetime, but got him the role
as the boyfriend of Katy Perry, because they start dating around
this time. Oh, so she was acting?
No, but she was involved in thiskind of Wilton Hilton House, so

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she knew all these people like Ashley Simpson and all the
people that were like up and coming struggling actors and
singers that were part of this kind of like, you know, clique.
And Katy Perry didn't explode until probably around 2008.
I think so so. This is when she's up and
coming. Yeah, if you see pictures of

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them too, she does not look likethe Katy Perry today.
She doesn't have a blue wig. Nothing like that.
She looks like just some girl next door basically and they had
like a pretty hot and heavy relationship.
And actually that's very fascinating because wasn't she's
super religious. Yes, that exactly.

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I was just gonna bring that up. She comes from a very, like,
devout Catholic or Christian background in like, Santa
Barbara. But like, yeah.
She was a Christian singer before she was the pop star
Katy. Perry, he, she came from like
some weird mega church or something in Southern
California. I don't know, I forget the name
of it, but yeah, she was super religious and he was like this

(21:02):
kind of weird former Scientologist who's kind of
Jewish and yeah, they just got together and they had this kind
of torrid love affair. She wrote 2 songs about him on
her Teenage Dream album. 1 was the one that got away and the
other was Circle the Drain. Jeez, one of them sounded kind

(21:23):
of sweet and the other one sounds.
Yeah, the the shit bag. And the third one was take out
the trash. Arrest my crap bag boyfriend
please. Crack your skull.
Yeah, who was that about? Yeah, Taylor Swift is like, hey,
I like your socks. Yeah.
Yeah, so you just write about guys and you don't exactly say

(21:47):
who they are. But yeah, that was pretty much
it. And I guess they broke up
because she said she had to focus on her career and not her
crazy boyfriend. That sounds kind of smart
because her career really took off after that.
Well he also left the OC around the time that they broke up, so
I wonder if she just wanted to date an OC actor.
Oh, are you saying she was shopping around for a better,

(22:11):
better deal, Beau? Maybe gonna weigh up the ladder.
Yeah, Yikes. Yeah.
And this is gonna sound like I know way too much about Katy
Perry, You do. But it just hit me that her
first album, she went by Katy Hudson and.
Yeah, And it was like a Christian rock album.
Yeah. Christian pop.
Yeah. And then she crossed over

(22:32):
eventually. She must have got some good
management, LA. And then they're like, yeah, we
could do something with you and.I can lose the Hudson.
And lose the boyfriend. Right.
Cut the dead weight. Yeah, yeah.
I think he had like an undiagnosed bipolar disorder.
I think initially that was a bigthing Johnny Lewis had because I
think and you could still work in Hollywood with a bipolar, you

(22:54):
know, we know a lot of people that had that.
Half of Hollywood. Half of Hollywood.
Bipolar. Yeah, he could have been
autistic as a kid too. He could have been, yeah.
I mean, if they thought he was on drugs when he was a kid,
yeah, that's usually some kind of science.
He's. Got some highs and lows going on
there. Yeah, yeah.
Kyle, do you have something to add?

(23:15):
Do you want to say something else?
He's just sitting there like, yeah, he's.
Chocolate over there, who knows what.
Either way, he keeps auditioningand working and he get he keeps
getting roles. In 2008 he got the role that
pretty much everyone remembers him from.
It was as Kip half Sack Epps in Sons of Anarchy.
Half sack. They call him half sack because

(23:37):
he got one of his balls blown off in in Iraq.
Oh wow. Yeah, half sack.
He was a veteran so they call him half sack.
That's very on the nose. It's.
Very on the ball. I set you up for that one.
Hello. Yeah.
So yeah, this was like his biggest role.
Everyone remembers him from. No one remembers him from, you

(23:59):
know, Boston Public or anything like that.
Yeah, this. Even the OC.
Even the OC. Even the casting directors.
So that's why with all his articles, it's like Sons of
Anarchy actor. Yes.
Like Wimpy Kid actor. Yeah, pretty much.
With Ryan Grantham, they really had to stretch.

(24:20):
Yeah. But with him, it's like,
obvious. It's Sons of Anarchy.
Yeah, yeah. That's the headline.
You got to have a thing that you're known for.
This is what he was known for. A lot of episodes.
Was he a big regular? The first two seasons he was
huge in it. He got really into it.
Like he got like 2 tattoos. He got a star on each shoulder.

(24:41):
He got really into motorcycles, which you know, if you see him,
he's like a skinny little scraggly, like, you know, dude,
and he becomes like a motorcyclehead.
He gets a Triumph motorcycle andhe starts like riding around
Hollywood. He gets really into it.
So he's believing in his own product.
Probably. He thinks he's one of these Sons

(25:02):
of Anarchy. Yeah, he thinks he's the Son of
Anarchy. He's he's doing some sometime
after that he's doing, he's getting new headshots done.
I think he wants to get like a new job basically.
He doesn't really like the Sons of Anarchy.
He thinks it's too violent, which is.
Wait, I thought he was obsessed with motorcycles and tattoos?

(25:23):
But he thinks the show is too violent.
That makes no sense. Maybe he wants to leave for
other reasons. His dad says he wanted to write
a novel. He'd be like if you were on The
Smurfs and then you'd painted your skin blue.
Yeah, but then you said, oh, butI think the show is a.
Little too bad. Blue.
Yeah, I don't know. But again, he's like a crazy

(25:46):
guy, so you never know what whathe's gonna be feeling from
day-to-day. That's like that 2 1/2 Men actor
Charlie Sheen. No, the half.
Oh, the kid, yeah, when he's like, I cannot condone the
language on the show. It's gratuitous.
Yeah. Same thing with Kirk Cameron
from right from What's it called?

(26:08):
Growing pains? Growing pains, Yeah.
He's like it's pornographic growing.
Pains is pornographic, Yeah. It was the safest show ever.
Yeah. Well, it did turn out actually,
a couple of the writers and producers did get busted for
child porn, actually, which is awhole other thing.
That's like a whole other episode. 02 of the Writers for
Growing Pains. Oh my God.

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Yeah, I've never heard of that. That's legit.
Wow, I guess we have to look into that.
Anyway, that's a whole another. Time.
But but what happens is he's taking headshots one time while
he's an actor on Sons of Anarchywith the photographer is like,
hey, you should, you know, if you're looking for somewhere to
stay, there's this kind of like cool, like Hollywood Hills, like

(26:51):
group house that people live in.Like a lot of actors that have
kind of already made it that arepast the the Wilton Hilton and
like, you can live in like a nicer place.
And this woman, this 80 year oldlady called Kathy Davis, owns
this big house where she rents it out to like up and coming
actors and stuff. Now it would be like youtubers

(27:14):
you'd. Yeah, it would be like a hype
house, but she had she had helped like Val Kilmer, Parker
Posey, Paula Poundstone. Wow, that's a weird.
Chris, wait a second, in Chris Parnell.
Wow, it's a fucking all over themap grouping.
Of Paula Poundstone was the one where it something goes like.
Yeah, and and Chris Parnell and like a weird ass.

(27:38):
And also Thomas Paine from Hung.Thomas Jane.
Thomas Jane. Thomas Jane.
Yeah. Wow.
So, yeah, so he's like, all right, well, and then he checked
it out. He met this Miss Kathy, which is
like some 80 year old lady, former, you know, real estate
broker who had lived in Hollywood since like the 50s.

(27:58):
Why did she want to support all these young performers?
I think she was just a retired older woman who just needed some
income from this big property and she'd rent out all these
rooms to like, these actors and stuff.
And like, she like having this kind of like, yeah, you know.
Cachet. This cachet or these, these,
these, you know, creative peoplearound to like, you know, keep

(28:19):
her living maybe. Yeah, she's like 80 years old.
She probably, yeah, had a soft spot clearly for creative types.
And yeah, apparently it wasn't very expensive at all.
Like. It it wasn't, but it wasn't that
cheap. It was like 1300 up to like
3000, depending on what really got.
Yeah, because there was a lot ofoptions you could get like he
took like the Red Villa. Well, it was called the writers

(28:41):
Villa. And he took like the Red Room,
which was like the more expensive side of it.
The Red Room that sounds like the.
Sounds ominous. Yeah.
So yeah, they called her Miss Kathy and they and he would, he
decided to move in there and Johnny would talk to her all the
time and they would hang out andthey were like good friends.

(29:01):
Wow, sounds like a nice lady. Nice lady.
Yeah. Eventually, in 2009, Johnny
tells Sons of Anarchy creator Kurt Sutter that he wants to
leave the show after two seasons.
Because the storylines, like I was saying, we're getting too
violent, which is very interesting considering the type
of person he is and what was going.

(29:23):
On and eventually became. And eventually, what would
happen anyway? Yeah, Which makes it it's
absurdly insane. Or triply insane.
An actor say leaving the show cause it's too violent?
Yeah. A show called Sons of Anarchy.
Yeah. And then you really lost your
marvel. Bikers who are killing each
other. Yeah, it's like in the pilot.
What are you talking about? What is?
Going on and where are you goingto find another show that's less

(29:45):
violent? But that's his bread and butter.
But The thing is, he's a he's inthe main cast.
He makes a ton of money. Yeah, he makes a ton of money.
And he's like, I think he got somuch.
He's like, all right, now I can just hang out and just like
write my novel and live in this writers villa and just be cool.
He wanted to be like five seasons that that's when you

(30:05):
actually have money to. Be yeah you like Charlie Hunnam
money. I'm sure he wound up, you know,
with with a few money at the endof the Yeah, he.
Did have enough money to turn down 50 Shades of Grey, did he?
Charlie Hunnam? Yeah, he was cast.
Then he changed his mind and dropped out.
See you. Wow.
Same thing with Topher Grace. You know, he made all that money
in That 70s Show and he doesn't didn't need to do much else

(30:26):
after. So he didn't need to do Spider
Man 3I. Was gonna say I wish he didn't
do Yeah could. You have spared us a little,
please. Played a great David Duke
though. Oh, in black Klansman?
Yeah, yeah. I I'm still going to watch that.
10 You haven't seen that. No, I haven't.
Seen it yet? That's a great one.
But but he's able to do roles that he really chooses instead
of. Like, so Johnny Lewis had this

(30:47):
delusion, yeah, that he's going to now do better roles than
writing. A novel about a musician in San
Francisco, which is like, wow, that's, you know, that's a hook
for you. Yeah.
I can't wait to read that. That, that doesn't even sound
like a bargain bin. That sounds like the trash bin,
Yeah. Want to write a book about the
Counting Crows? Yeah, wipe my ass with it.

(31:10):
I want to write a book about a dude that appropriates
dreadlocks. Yeah, it dates Courtney Cox.
Yeah. And hangs out at the Viper Room
like a place that kills movie stars.
Yeah. By the droves.
Mr. Jones and. Me.
So anyway, they kill him off theshow by they having him stabbed

(31:32):
to death like trying to save a baby on Son of Anarchy.
Ohh they should have shot his other ball off Woo.
No. Sack.
No Sack. Isn't that hilarious though that
he complains that it's too violent, then they have him
stabbed to that, yeah. They should have had him like
keep waking up and then a Mack truck comes and.

(31:53):
Runs them over. It's like Naked Gun.
Yeah, exactly. A a marching band.
He walks over him. Yeah.
There's an AirDrop of bombs and stuff.
Yeah, he might still be all right.
Yeah, Lena Dunham falls on top of him.
You're a cattle. Oh.
Sorry, I thought you were my sister.

(32:19):
Oh boy. So anyway, so yeah, he's he's
living his best life that he wants to live back at the the
writers Villa and 2010 he actually, he knocks up a his
girlfriend, actress named Diane Marshall Green and she he has a

(32:42):
baby daughter. Wow.
He was really excited about this.
He was like, really like love the idea of being a father for
like 2. Weeks.
So he has a daughter out there? Yeah, I did not know that.
He does, Yeah. Him and Diane get an apartment
together, and he was planning onbecoming like a family man.
And then not too long after that, him and Diane break up and

(33:04):
he he moves out on his own and there's a custody battle that he
loses. And he doesn't really put up a
huge fight. Yeah.
He's just riding his motorcycle around LA trying to figure
himself out. On October 30th 2011 he gets
into a high speed accident on his motorcycle and he like

(33:24):
bashes his head. I don't know if he had a helmet
on or not. Either way, he lost control of
the motorcycle and just hit his head hard.
He probably had to have had a helmet to survive that.
I guess so, yeah. He was around like 29 Palms,
they call it. I don't know where that is, but
I think that's. Oh, that's like the military

(33:44):
town. Oh, is it?
Yeah, it's east of here. OK.
Out in the desert, yeah. Yeah, and well.
He found himself. Yeah, he found himself bloodied
and bad. From the Yeah, he found himself
rolling down the street. Yeah.
He found the other half of his head down the street.
But he he was in the hospital inlike the doctors like no

(34:05):
concussion, but we want to do anMRI, which would like really
like be able to figure out if helike did any has any brain
damage or anything. Johnny's like, no, I'm not doing
it. He refused all MRI appointments
his dad set up for him. He wouldn't take it.
He wouldn't do. It it sounds like he already had
brain damage before the accident.
Well, that that's what people say, but they they think this

(34:27):
like exacerbated it. Had to have, right?
I there's, there's no way he there's no way of knowing.
It's a traumatic injury, the. Problem.
Some people chalk this up to thefact that he was a Scientologist
in like, you kind of refuse psychiatric help when you're a
Scientologist, and that's kind of built into the entire
religion. Curse the alleys like here.

(34:48):
Take this pill. Yeah, like, like time was going
by and like a friend saw him at like a an acting class that they
were taking together. And his friend said he was just
talking in a British accent. And like, he's and he called him
out, like, why are you talking with a British accent?
And then he like, shrugged it off.
He's like, you know, I was just joking or something.

(35:10):
Don't know what you mean? Hey, what are you?
Talking about mate, let's go fora pie.
We doing all right, but he was just trying to get away with
being a British person in front of other people.
And he, Madonna did that. Yeah, yeah, she's crazy.
Well, I think she's certifiably crazy.
Also, Yeah. And Renee Zellweger for a time,

(35:30):
yeah, I have a question that washe taking the class like he was
just a student? No, yeah, I think it's like it's
like like Gene Koosen house class in Barry.
You know, he's just like a an ongoing class just to keep
yourself sharp. As an out.
OK, yeah. With other known actors.
Other. Yeah, this guy, Jonathan Tucker,
who's an actor actually from Boston, from.

(35:51):
Oh, I know of him. Yeah, he was in a lot of stuff.
They were good friends and he was witnessing like the the
deterioration of Johnny's brainsand so.
He would talk to Jonathan Tuckerwith British accent, a guy he
knew for a. Guy who knew?
Forever. That would be so weird.
And it was just like, why are you doing that, right?
Like if you just kind of showed up to an episode here and start

(36:11):
talking British accent. Hello.
Yeah. Oh, you ready?
And we're like, all right, Alejandro.
Yeah, let's, let's get into it. He goes to the episode, and you
just kept doing it. That would be insane.
That would be insane. You'd think I was insane.
Yeah. We'd leave here being like, did
you witness what was going on there?
Like we can't use that episode. But we will.

(36:32):
But we will. And then I start complaining
like the podcast has too much blue humor.
Yeah, yeah, it's a pornographic.I can't condone it.
Yeah, but friends said he was not a party guy, not like
Jonathan, Tucker said. Not a party animal.
He was more of a he was more of a tea drinker than a drinker.

(36:55):
He was a tea totaler. Yeah, something like that.
And then all of a sudden he starts like going off the deep
end. On January 3rd, 2012, he commits
felony assault with a deadly weapon.
He was hanging out at his parents condo at Northridge.
He bought them a condo with someof the Sons of Anarchy money, So
he must have got some crazy money.

(37:15):
Yeah. So he, he's hanging out there
one morning at this condo he bought for his parents in
Northridge. Suddenly he just wants to go for
a walk and then he starts walking and he thinks he hears
screams coming from a condo that's empty in the complex.
And he breaks in and looking forwhere the screams are coming
from. And there's two men who I think,

(37:37):
I think either were security at the condo complex or they were
just in the area and they tried to stop him.
And he attacks them with a with an Avion, no, a Perrier bottle.
He attacks him with a Perrier bottle and like knocks them
around and like breaks it on oneof the guy's heads and the.
A hoity toity of him. I know that's kind of like a an

(37:58):
upper middle class thing to get arrested for breaking a Perrier
bottle. Do me Perrier bottle.
Yeah, he's still the British accent.
Yeah, oi, mate. Yeah, he and then the guys just
just hold on to him and detain him until he got arrested.
He was sent to the Twin Towers prison in LA, which is like a
bad place to go. Yeah, I've heard about this

(38:20):
place. I know people that have gotten
DUI's and gone there they want. To go to a place called the Twin
Towers. What a name.
And they just kept it like, who cares?
Yeah, Jesus. We're still standing.
Yeah. And next we're going to go to
the Station Nightclub rehab center.

(38:41):
Yeah, for Pyros, Yeah, and they never confirmed that there was
screaming. No, no, there was no one there
to be found. Nothing to be found there.
That's schizophrenia. He totally just made it up in
his own head. Yeah, he gets out of the twin
towers, as they call it, and he was, he has like 2 black eyes.

(39:05):
Like apparently he was just bashing his head against the
wall while he was in jail there.His sister said he was like a
like a broken animal just didn'twant anyone to touch him.
He was like fearful of light. He broke the parents fuse box at
the the Northridge condo and just didn't want any electricity
being used. Oh.
Sounds like he was a vampire. He sounds like a vampire, yeah.

(39:28):
Sounds like Chuck McGill. Yeah, he talked.
Yeah, right. During this time, he also
slashes his wrists in a suicide attempt.
Over time, it like, took him a couple weeks.
He starts showing some improvement and he wants to move
out on his own again. And he moves to a apartment in
Santa Monica, of all places. Maybe he thinks like, the ocean

(39:50):
is going to make him feel betteror something.
But then February 10th, 2012 he gets arrested again when he
sucker punches a man on his way out of a yogurt shop with his
yogurt for no reason. He's like oh man, what do you
got there? The chocolate.
Swirl. Got some yogurt?
You call that a fucking yogurt mate?

(40:11):
No whipped cream, motherfucker. How dare you?
Could you imagine being that poor guy?
Yeah, you go to get some yogurt,you are ready.
You don't want to be seen buyingyogurt anyway.
Yeah, then someone attacks you. Yeah, just starts punching you
in the face. For what?
Like you wanted to forget about the buying the yogurt.

(40:32):
Yeah. And then it becomes a big thing.
I'm not having a strawberry twist.
Another couple of days later, hewalks fully clothed into the
ocean in Santa Monica and was hospital hospitalized for
hypothermia. Wow.
So he stayed in the water? Yeah.
He just, he's just fully clothed, just walks directly
into the ocean. Yeah.

(40:54):
And what were the signs he showed that he was well again?
Exactly. Yeah.
What's the dad? The dad has seen what we're not
seeing clearly. Eight days after that, he's
arrested again on February 18th,this time for burglary.
According to law enforcement, hetried to break into a woman's

(41:15):
house through a window, claiminghe was looking for a friend.
Imagine breaking into so and so.I was like hey is my friend in
here? I'm looking for my friend.
Wow, this is a a very impressiveamount of arrests going on,
Yeah. In a in a short span of time.
Yeah, quite the nosedive. Yeah, it's really, things are

(41:36):
really not going well for Johnnyhere, his friend Jonathan Tucker
says in May. He knows Johnny is not the same
person. He has like a dead look in his
eye, like a jaded war veteran. He just speaks nonsense now.
Now it's not even the British accent.
It's just like rambling nonsense.
Yeah, this sounds like schizophrenia.

(41:57):
Yeah. Just hearing things, bouts of
violence that. Yeah.
I wonder if he would be on the street yelling if he would be.
Yeah, he probably, yeah Downtown, if he had no family
friends and no network or anything, he would be down in
like Skid Row, yeah. You're like, ain't that the guy
from the Pizza Hut commercial? Yeah.

(42:19):
I imagine, yeah, that's what they call him out for.
Pizza Hut commercial actor Johnny Lewis?
Yeah. He gets like a year in jail.
He, yeah, is sentenced to like ayear and he doesn't, wow, he
doesn't even serve that much time 'cause he, he gets out in

(42:40):
like September of 2012. And when did he go in He?
Went in in like February. You'd think that would do
something. Yeah, yeah.
He's released from like a treatment program on September
21st, 2012. It eventually he decided to go

(43:00):
back to the writers villa. His dad thought it was a good
idea because he didn't want to be staying at home and his
parents probably don't want him.There anyway, I thought you
fucking beat it mate. I want to live on my.
Own depart. I'm OK now.
I swear it. Yeah, he's holding a knife.
So, lucky gates, honey. Yeah, go play.

(43:22):
Yeah, you said you look great, kid.
We're gonna send you back to that writers villa.
How about that novel? Sounds a great idea.
Love the dent you made in the wall with your head.
Yeah. Yeah, your face shaped dent in
the wall. Yeah.
So yeah. Really ties the place together,
yeah. Back to the Red Room in it.

(43:43):
We'll put some of your rags you've been wearing in a plastic
bag. We'll bring it to the lighter,
retreater, lighter. Squeeze the salt.
Water out of them, Yeah, and catch you right back.
So yeah, they they bring him back to the writers Villa, which
Kathy Davis was more than happy to allow him back.

(44:03):
I don't think she knew what was going on there.
I think her, I think Johnny's parents sent a ticking time bomb
to this place. Oh, 100%.
That's awful. Yeah, last time she saw him he
was on the OC probably. Yeah, well, he.
Dating Katie Hudson he was. Getting a lot of psychiatric
drugs and he was cheeking them, meaning like he put them on the

(44:24):
side of his cheek and then spit them out when like the officials
would stop looking at him and. Stuff, but he wasn't being
cheeky. No.
As the British. He was being.
Cheeky, cheeky, cheeky mate. And no one noticed he wasn't
taking his meds. Well, people noticed his
behaviour was still crazy, but Ithink people thought like he

(44:45):
was, he was taking that and he thought they thought he was
going to get better eventually because some of these
psychiatric drugs take like timeto take effect.
So he's there a couple days, a few days after moving in there,
his dad calls him and Johnny's like, I'm too busy today.
I'll call you back later. And that was the last time you
ever talked to him. That was on September 26th,

(45:06):
2012. Test words to the dad.
Wow. So on that day, a little bit
later, police were called to theWriters Villa and in the
driveway they find Johnny face up on the driveway with his
skull cracked in half and his eye socket caved in.
That's the first thing they see when they roll up to the right
of the villa. Yikes.

(45:27):
Yeah. Wow.
He had plunged from either the 2nd floor or the roof and died
instantly. How many stories is that?
I think it was like 3 stories. I think it the way it is there,
it's like a, it's like on a hill.
So like I think like the driveway is like caved down.

(45:48):
So once you hit the driveway, it's even more of a drop and I
they don't know where exactly hejumped off from or or he fell
off. They don't know which which one
it is. Or thrown.
Or throat. Or, you know, brisk wind knocks
him over. I have the sweaty palms thinking
about that. Those kind of heights freak me

(46:08):
out when you imagine jumping or falling.
Yeah, from that. Like not even, not even like too
high a distance, that kind of distance.
Just a middle like yeah kill youor not.
Right. Yeah, Yeah, that sounds like
that kind of thing, and it's terrifying.
Well, it killed him for sure. Yeah, it definitely killed him.
Like on the spot, like. Spoiler alert.
Spoiler alert yeah. Turned into a pancake after that

(46:31):
drop. Inside the house, the scene was
even more gruesome. In his room, Johnny's room,
please find a bloody hammer. They follow the broken glass and
blood to the bathroom, where they find a dead cat in the
shower. Yeah, bludgeoned with the
hammer, obviously. In the room across, they find

(46:53):
the bloody body of Kathy Davis in the room.
There's blood everywhere. There's blood everywhere.
Just imagine just bashing someone to death with a hammer,
which you know some people imagine from time to time.
Yeah, I guess. The blood force trauma to her
head fractured her entire skull and obliterated the left side of

(47:14):
her face, leaving her brain exposed.
Oh. My God, yeah.
Lord. This is as violent and horrific
as it could get. Yeah.
Went to kill somebody that brutally.
Yeah, there. And an old lady, no less.
I know like she's a brittle old lady, like she shouldn't be
taking beatings like this from this maniac.

(47:36):
No, she could hardly go down thesteps.
I know you know, much less take a hammer to the head.
Mark. This is not a laughing matter.
And that cat. Let's not forget about the cat.
Yeah, the cat. You know, don't fuck with cats.
Don't do it. Don't do it, We'll find you.
Yeah, he broke that. Really.
Fuck and don't fuck with old ladies.

(47:57):
Don't. Yeah, she was a nice old lady,
too. She was, you know, she was very
invited and welcoming to all these people into our house.
And I think she just didn't knowthe extent of insanity of this
guy. And she was probably trying to
help him. Yeah, I think a little bit.
Well, well what had happened is there was a rumor that the day
before they were they were they had an argument that he broke

(48:21):
the fuse box on purpose like he did at his parents condo.
So he broke the fuse box at the the writers villa.
And she was like, did you do that?
And he's like, yeah. And and she's like don't do that
ever again. Don't fuck with my fuse box.
You know, don't mess with my house.
Don't do this, you know, or you gotta go.
Yeah. And obviously he took this the

(48:42):
wrong way and he went crazy. He probably in his mind thought,
oh, breaking the fuse box will solve this problem.
Yeah, alright, someone, some voice told me to break the fuse
box and how dare you, I wonder, tell me it was wrong.
Yeah, I wonder the the thought process behind that, like maybe

(49:04):
he thinks like, like some government entity is like, you
know, pushing bad brain signals in through the, you know,
electrical system or something. That's my only rationale for
what what could possibly be going through this maniacs head
at this time? Yeah, he attacked more people on
the scene here. He punched her several times and

(49:29):
then strangled her with his barehands.
It was unclear whether he used the hammer found in her in her
room on her, but the force of his beatings were so severe that
the investigators believe Lewis may have stomped on Davis's
skull. He then killed the cat after
that and left it in the. Shower and that's the cat right

(49:52):
there. Yeah, both of them, you know.
He then goes outside and then attacks the house painter of the
neighboring house. So he's not done yet.
And then the owner goes to breakup the fight and then he attacks
the owner of the of the neighboring house.
The neighbor miraculously just hits him with a chair, which

(50:13):
stuns Johnny. And then they all run in the
house and they're trying to thisis the neighbor's house now
they're trying to close the doorand Johnny's arm is like stuck
in, it's like a monster movie. He's like a a mutant or
something. And then they see him running
outside. He's like jumping fence.
He has like superhuman strength.He's like jumping fences and

(50:34):
then he climbs up on the the writers villa house.
He goes all the way up to the top and then next thing you know
he falls off. Yeah.
Or jumps. Or jumps.
And that red trail you see on the screen here, if you're
watching the the video, that is the aftermath of that jump.

(50:55):
Yeah. Oh my God, yeah.
She's like, like, this is like ahigher house like.
Wait, that's that? That's all the blood right
there. Yeah.
Looks like a Jackson Pollock painting.
Yeah. Yikes.
Yeah, some people were saying that it was bath salt.
Remember bath salt? Do I?

(51:16):
Yeah, Do I? It was like big in the news for
a while, like some guy was on the the, the side of a Florida
Highway, like eating another guyand he was on bat salt.
So they they thought that was what what brought this about a
mania? Yeah, they did a toxicology
after the fact and they they tested for everything, meth,
fentanyl, coke, heroin, you nameit all.

(51:38):
Nothing came up. Yeah, that's totally clear.
Totally wasn't on any. Drugs.
I read the toxicology report, nothing came up.
They checked it for opiates. They like every single thing
they I. Thought he was on meth.
No, you would think, especially with like the superhuman
strength, Yeah, and fighting allthese people and jumping over
fences. Yeah, he's got they, one of the

(51:58):
guys said. He looked like Spider Man.
Oh my. God, to bring up Spider Man
again. Yeah.
And he was just like, he was like possessed.
They really thought he was on meth.
I thought I had remembered that from the.
Story that one of the things I remembered was that when they
did the drug test, he was completely clean.
Yeah. Wow, so crazy.

(52:20):
His final TV role was Criminal Minds.
I have a clip here from CriminalMinds.
Oh. Yeah, him and Joey Montagna
going head to head here. What do you think you're going
to get out of this? I don't know.
We'll see. You don't have to say anything
else, Eric. You got to speak.
To him now let's. Just wait for the Dai.

(52:42):
Don't. Know how to break it to your
kid, but you don't have a card to play?
Here. We're three steps ahead of you.
Come. Home.
Really. We've already considered the
possibility that you killed other people.
We knew you were young, wanted to experiment.
It was likely you would copycat as many serial killers as

(53:03):
possible to figure out who you are, what you like.
I guess David Mamet wrote this scene, yeah.
Let me ask you a question, mummy.
How do you know? You haven't told me already
where the other bodies are buried.
Whoa, bass drop. Maybe Montanans?
What drove them crazy? And when was that role, 2009?

(53:29):
So they might have filmed it maybe a couple months before and
a year before that or. Something.
So that's when he kind of dropped off.
Kind of dropped off. He didn't really do much after
that. Some like small like shitty
movies and stuff after that. So that was pretty much the end
of his act. It was 2009 and like, I don't
know this, this is my debate with this.
He was going crazy before the the the motorcycle accident.

(53:52):
He people said he was, he was really like nutty, but I think
he was like bipolar on the spectrum, something like that.
And then that that, you know, that crash really did no good
for him. It made it exacerbated any other
issues yet? Like what happened to Gary
Busey? He had a bad crash.
Yeah. And he was never the same after

(54:14):
that. Yeah, he was like a vegetable
after that. Yeah, I remember he was on that
roast. I was like, why is he showing up
here? But he's like, yeah, he looks
like a mental patient. Well, we have to have a little
empathy. Yeah, of course.
Of course, of course. Yeah.
How dare you? The people on that Rose did not
have any empathy for, like Greg Giraldo and.

(54:34):
Greg Giraldo Like your teeth areso huge they look like urinals
and I want to. Piss on them and look what
happened to him. Someone said you look like Nick
Nolte. Fuck the Clydesdale.
Yeah, that might have been hit Gary too.
Well, yeah, look what happened to.
Him. Yeah, yeah.
Future episode. Future app Giraldo Absolutely.

(54:56):
But yeah, this was a confusing one for me because I didn't
really, I didn't really understand because it it looked
like like a brand new person came out after that, that
motorcycle crash and it was justlike people were like, you know,
he was a main. He was an acceptable kooky
person before, but now he's justa straight up maniac.

(55:17):
Yeah. So he was like a Shia LaBeouf.
Yeah, kind of. Yeah, Exactly like LaBeouf, you
people would say, you know, he was kind of, you know, a mental,
not like, not mental patient. But that kind of, yeah, he was
crazy. Yeah, he was.
He is. I don't know.
I don't know his current state, but I think.
He's on the sober track. Yeah, he's in rehab.

(55:37):
Well, yeah, rehabilitating himself.
He's done some podcasts talking about it.
Sounds like he's on the up and up but.
Many people would outpour on social media saying, you know,
expressing their shock and sadness.
Katy Perry said some stuff. What did she say?
She pretty much glowing like he was a great guy.
And you know Kurt Sutter is the only one that got real with his

(56:00):
response. He said this.
It was a tragic end for an extremely talented guy who
unfortunately had lost his way. I wish I could say that I was
shocked by the events last night, but I was not.
I am deeply sorry that an accident that an innocent life
had to be thrown into his destructive path.
Yes, it's a day of mourning, butit's also a day of awareness and

(56:23):
gratitude. Sadly, some of us carry the
message by dying. Wow.
So he's pretty much saying like,you know, this was the path he
was already on in 2009. Maybe when he, when he, maybe
just by. Quitting Nobody was a hit show
when that was your whole track, your whole life to be a
successful actor. Yeah.

(56:45):
Yeah, That's already strange behavior, right?
Yeah, I, I guess so, yeah. So maybe something happened
before that, I don't know, But Kurt Sutter seems to be saying,
yeah, this guy was going the wrong way for a while here.
When he was a Scientologist, yeah, that's kind of already on
the wrong track. The amount of Scientologists

(57:06):
that have killed people, I thinkit's really up there.
So what are you trying to say, Kyle?
It's a murderous organization. Yeah, yeah, well, Alejandro
kills at the Scientology Center.Yeah.
Yeah, he took a whole bunch of lives.
With him, yeah, but they murdered.
The stage, they do have good taste, yeah.

(57:27):
That's true, yeah. Taste of blood, God.
But yeah, that's that's kind of the gist of the Johnny Lewis
story, which died at 28 years old.
And so you're saying you don't know if he actually jumped?
But no one knows. No one knows if he fell or
jumped. I think he jumped.
The police report considers it accidental death.

(57:50):
Really. Because they don't know.
He had to have jumped. Look at where the blood was.
Yeah, yeah. If he had fallen, wouldn't it be
close? It wasn't that close to the
house was. It no, but when you fall like
that, who knows when where you're going to land?
Yeah. I don't know, but he was like
spider man jumping over walls and beating up painters and
stuff and like we like, there's no explanation of that.

(58:13):
It clearly you're on like a suicidal type path.
Yeah, when you kill an 80 year old woman, that who's your,
your, you know, your landlord. And their cat.
And the cat. Jeez, he's.
Never showed any signs of like harm towards animals before this
or any murders or violent tendencies before he starts
punching guys in like yogurt chops.

(58:35):
Yeah. I mean, that's usually the first
step for someone who's planning on killing eventually at some
point and they usually start. They start with animals, yeah.
But in his case, he grouped themtogether, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, he did. He got them all done in like 1
year, one or two years. So he's efficient.
He's a yeah. Well, he's a late bloomer, I
guess. But yeah, it's.

(58:56):
This was a weird 1. I don't really understand it.
This is always my issue with a guy like this.
Like, you know, he was crushing it.
Yeah, in Hollywood and had like.And then he crushed himself on
the. Basement.
That's the tagline right there. He crushed it till the end.
Yeah, he. Crushed until he couldn't crush

(59:16):
anymore, until the life crushed him.
So is that your final thought? That's pretty much my final
thought. I don't know.
So Kyle, did you have anything to add here?
I just, you know, it's a shocking situation.
It, you know, seems like there'sa lot of mental health issues,
but the court even said that he had suffered from some form of

(59:41):
chemical dependency, mental health issues and a lack of
permanent housing. And they said in a May 17th
probation report that given this, Lewis will continue to be
a threat to any community he mayreside.
And so that was, you know, just a few months before this all
happened and they called it. Yeah, they shouldn't have sent
him back to that house, the actor's house.

(01:00:02):
Yeah, I think the the parents just didn't want to deal with
them. They're like, yeah, you can go
back to the house. What?
Sorry, Kathy Davis. Yeah.
Sorry y'all, but you're going tohave to take care of your kid.
Yeah. And not burden the rest of
society. Yeah.
Yeah. But the fact he was just
completely sober when all that shit was going down is crazy.

(01:00:23):
I don't know if if they test forstuff like bath salts or like K2
or whatever the fucking like youcould buy them at corner store
like the spices or you think. There could have been like
designer drugs that they just not aware of in the.
Test, yeah, I mean that I think that that definitely could play
a role like. Synthetic drugs.
Yeah, yeah. I don't know if that would even
come up in like a drugs like toxicology report, you know,

(01:00:45):
Yeah. But yeah, something was
definitely not right with that guy.
It was weird because he went to this place called Ridgeview in
Altadena and he, he said he had a marijuana addiction just to
get out of jail. They said he had a marijuana
addiction, which of course, you know, whatever, but they just
want him to get out of prison basically.
And he went there and he was like showing positive signs.

(01:01:08):
Yeah. Of like doing well and they like
that allowed him to get some time off his sentence and then,
you know, he just had this insane mania inside of him that
just came out once he went back to that writer's villa.
Like what's the difference between him and a serial killer
that has a mania to kill people?Yeah, they don't have Sons of

(01:01:31):
Anarchy money. Yeah.
I don't know. I don't.
We don't know if he had this compulsion to kill people this
whole time. Maybe he's just hanging on to
it. Sometimes when people go crazy,
it doesn't manifest until their 20s.
Yeah. So maybe that was it too.
And it just like it it became uncontrollable at at some point.
Yeah. I think it's like, you know,

(01:01:51):
there's a whole bunch of things at play at column A, Column B,
It's like you have the traumaticbrain injury, you have mental
illness and you have, you know, drugs and alcohol on top of it
and. But it wasn't drugs or alcohol.
Not that specific day, but you know, you don't know if he was
doing it before. Yeah, there's not a lot of

(01:02:11):
approved for like people saying that he was doing that, but who
knows, Yeah. Don't know.
He could have also done like a really bad dose of acid.
One time I just drove him and saying who knows, I don't know.
Yeah. I read a blind item that he had
guested on Malcolm in the Middle.
Yeah. And that there was a house or

(01:02:34):
the house on set. There was a room that was
haunted and anyone that it went in that room, bad stuff would
happen. Oh boy.
Alejandro's bullshit corner again.
The two leads went in the room and their careers were never the
same. And when Johnny Lewis guest
starred on the show, he went in the room too.
Whoa. And that has since been

(01:02:55):
destroyed. Well, we know Brian Breaking Bad
guy, right? Krantz.
He didn't go in the room. No, he did not really.
And then one other blind item said that he actually had jumped
off a roof before in 2009 and that they suspected meth and
that he had injured himself and then went to an award show and

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