November 19, 2025 • 35 mins
We explore how faith and desire can coexist without shame and why honest, practical talk about sex belongs in church and everyday life. Miracle Sims shares the origins of God, Sex, and Love, the role of community, and coaching insights for singles who want marriage.
• balancing conviction with real desire
• why faith and sex must be discussed together
• handling criticism while owning a mission
• church fellowship as support and witness
• learning from others’ mistakes to avoid harm
• discipline, readiness, and marriage mindset
• coaching singles beyond stereotypes
• treating people as individuals, not categories
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SPEAKER_01 (00:02):
Hi, I'm Carleen, and this is Diva.
Tonight, this is 40 a femaleperspective.
Not always our guest 40,exactly, but that's okay.
That's okay.
I'm joined with my special guestall the way in Atlanta, Georgia.
Is Atlanta, Georgia?
Alright, we're back.
(00:23):
Yeah.
Pretty much around the area.
Look, they call all thesurrounding areas Atlanta, so
okay, cool.
Her name is Miracle Sims.
Uh, she's a wife, mother, and afaith-driven entrepreneur who
isn't afraid to talk about realissues.
She's the host of the God, Sex,and Love Talk Show, an author
(00:47):
and a Christian accountabilityand a cultivation coach.
Wow, you have quite the resume.
And so to get things started,how do you guide women of faith
to balance spiritual values withtheir intimate lives?
SPEAKER_02 (01:03):
It depends on who I'm talking to, right?
Is this a single woman?
Is this a married woman?
Is you know differentconversations.
But Okay, well, let's use anexample.
SPEAKER_01 (01:12):
Let's use me as an example.
Since I'm the host, I'm single,like I'm not married, but I do
understand that I think sex ismore intimate, and when we think
about it, and it's a hardconversation to have, right?
So But yeah, you said we have totalk about who we're talking to,
right?
SPEAKER_02 (01:31):
So Right, right.
Well, with you being single, um,I mean, we'll pretty much just
start there because that's whatultimately led me to be on this
journey that I'm on today.
Me and my single years outstruggling, right?
And as a believer, I, long storyshort, was just really seeking
the Lord about like, okay, I'msingle, I'm horny, I know what
(01:54):
I'm supposed to do as aChristian, but where's my
husband at then, Lord?
Like all the different questionsthat I had at that particular
time.
And so I don't know if it's astruggle for you or or or
whatnot, to be single andwhatnot, but for me it was a
struggle to be single because Ididn't want to be single.
I wanted to be either in arelationship or married, you
know, all these different typesof things.
So during that particular time,I was looking into different, I
(02:17):
guess, content things to try tohelp me in my particular
position again as a believer,because there's another added
layer to being a singleChristian, I believe.
Just because it's like, okay,being single, I mean, it
depends.
Like, if you're not a believer,then you probably think, oh
yeah, I'll just go out, do whatI want to do, X, Y, and Z.
Well, as a believer, that's alittle bit difficult because
(02:38):
then you got this thing calledconviction, right?
Or you got this thing, yeah.
I'll just focus on theconviction because I mean I know
there's outside influences aswell, but I think for me, it was
like the internal, like, okay, Iknow what I'm supposed to be
doing.
I've I've read the Bible, I'vestudied, or I grew up in faith,
that type of thing.
So it's like, it's not that easyto just go out and just do all
(02:59):
the things, even when you try,depending on who you are, again,
as well.
But for me, if I just keeptalking about my testimony, even
when I just was like living mylife, doing my thing, fooling
around, not trying to do toomuch, but still wanted to do a
lot.
Like I said, it was a struggle.
And so I'm going, I'm seekingthe Lord.
I'm like, well, where's myhusband at, Dan, Lord?
Because that's all I need,right?
(03:20):
To do what I want to do when Iwant to do it, right?
You know.
And so, long story short, I waslooking for content.
When I was seen online at thatparticular time, I saw Christian
talk shows and they would, youknow, they just only go so far
with the conversation.
Cause so I couldn't reallyrelate.
I'm like, y'all ain't, y'allacting like y'all ain't never
been hot and bothered, you knowwhat I'm saying?
(03:40):
Y'all acting like y'all ain'tnever like, you know, had a
trying time or whatever the casemay be.
And then I would watch what youwould consider to be secular or,
you know, content that wasn'tnecessarily faith-based
Christian.
And they would talk abouteverything, but then they
wouldn't, they wasn't telling mewhat I needed to hear as a
believer.
So seeing those two things atthat time, and I was in my 20s
(04:03):
then, but seeing those twothings happening, that just kind
of enfolded me to just getonline and just start talking.
At that time, I just kind of waswasn't going live then, because
that this was back when YouTube,you had to upload a certain
amount of minutes, and it it wasall this other stuff going on.
SPEAKER_01 (04:20):
Yeah, that the the internet has changed.
And yeah, I think you know what?
If we had started our journey tolike in 2008 when it was just
booming, who knows what it wouldhave been like now.
But I think what you're sayingis true.
Like, God, sex, and love, yourconcept is different because
there's not a lot that combinedthe two.
(04:42):
Like, it's either, like yousaid, it's either we're talking
talking about sex, like, youknow, everyday, like breaking uh
comp the the narrative and liketaboo conversations about it, or
we're talking about religious.
Like, I mean, uh obviously Icould find a podcast on
religion, but we're not gonnamix the two because apparently
(05:03):
it's against Christianity toeven talk about it.
You know what I mean?
Like Is it like I mean if youwere talking to have an
interview with a priest, not apriest, like a pastor, would you
s would you ask him about hissex?
Would you even bring that up?
SPEAKER_02 (05:19):
Um, well, it depends again what he's coming to talk
about.
I mean, we've had pastors comeand talk about their sex lives,
you know, on GSM.
Yeah, we would on our platform,but before, like, I don't know
if people would would do that,you know.
And I think that's the thing forme, like when I think about
again, God's sex, love, andeverything in between, I believe
that God is the creator of allthese things.
(05:40):
And so for me, when I look atthe world and I look at like
broken homes or you know, allthe different hot topic
conversations that I'm notsaying everything has to do with
sex, but when you look at it,like sex is a part of like a lot
of the big hot topic issues thatpeople have.
And so it's like, why are wetrying to act like, you know, if
we believe that God created allthings, right?
(06:02):
Then we need to include God inthe conversation because if he
created it and he has this wayhe wanted it done, X, Y, and Z,
that's what we say we believe asBible readers, then there's no
need to clutch our pearls whenwe hear the word sex and you
know stuff like that.
Because again, we have freedomin that area.
It's just there are certain uhobviously stipulations that the
(06:23):
Bible has to say.
And so, you know, I guess again,that led me to get online and I
just was kind of sharing mytestimony and letting people
know that, hey man, you know,I'm struggling out here.
If anybody else is like me, hereI am.
You know, I wasn't necessarilytrying to start a podcast at
that time, I just was justsharing, you know, and saying
that, hey man, you know, you'renot the only one, you're not
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alone.
And so those videos are stillup.
It's like me with a little fro,and I'm just at that time and
just talking about how I felt asa believer and it and just the
different things and strugglesthat I was having at that
particular time.
And lo and behold, I would saythat those videos that
particular time was the I guessthe beginning stages of what
people see today as God, sex andlove.
(07:06):
Like, you know, eventually I hadthe idea to have a talk show.
God, sex and love.
I the name itself, I would sayit's my testimony in a nutshell.
Because I feel like God used mydesire to please him, my desire
for sex, my desire for love todraw me nearer to him.
And so that's where it comesfrom.
I know people are like making abig deal, even still now.
People are like, ooh, this didthis channel shouldn't be
(07:27):
whatever.
And I'm like, if you don't getit, you don't get it.
I mean, it's five years for usnow.
I'm not changing the name, andit's it is what it is.
And it's my testimony, so itdoes kind of hurt when people
have negative things to say.
But at the same time, I feellike, again, with everything
that has happened, especiallysince I've launched and it put
it out publicly and been doingthis for five years or whatever.
(07:48):
I'm just like, you know, I seethe purpose.
And I I feel like there's a lotof people that get in, see it.
Um, those that watch, those thathave been on the channel.
And so I'm here for them.
You know what I'm saying?
And um, I guess again,everybody's not for everybody,
and that's okay, you know.
But yeah, so hopefully Ianswered your question.
I mean, I know what you'redoing.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:05):
I feel like I was saying I I think you're talking
about just how you've gotten tohere and now and why God, sex,
and love.
And I think when you have a an adifferent idea, a lot of people
there's there's always going tobe someone to say something.
And you just have to take itwith granted yourself sometimes
because I it is hard.
It is hard when like this is notmy only podcast.
(08:28):
I have a podcast, it's calledNot Magnation, and I felt like
when I created the show, eventhough I don't live in Grenada,
I'm relating it to you with youridea because not everyone's
gonna appreciate Goscks andLove.
So it's called Non Magnation.
And when I started it, I had somany negative people.
(08:49):
And then even when I was doingthe research behind it, because
Grenada is a very small island.
And for me, even though I'velived in Canada most of my life
since I was here at six, I feltlike I had to somehow educate
whoever's gonna listen on thistopic of Grenada because not a
lot of people know about it, butI feel like with going back to
(09:12):
you, that with your show or yourpodcast, whatever you're
launching with this, I thinkyou're trying to tap into both
sides of it because no one elseis doing it.
And so that's usually when anoriginal idea comes by.
And you're always gonna havepeople that are gonna challenge
it.
They're gonna be like, well, whyare you doing it?
Why are you mixing the two?
It's supposed to be like you'renot doing the norm, right?
(09:35):
And when you go against thenorm, the normal way of doing
things, there's always gonna bepeople who have something to say
without any backing on it.
So I think like kudos to you fordoing that, you know what I
mean?
I guess it's it's it's you know,it's you, right?
And you got the idea and and andhere we are now, right?
So five years later to talkabout it, right?
(09:57):
I think when if we're gonna talkabout like just God's sex and
love, just God itself.
Like I think um even with withreligion and and and just
practicing itself, I don't thinkI've done it in a conventional
way.
Like I don't go to church everySunday.
I go to church when I canbecause I work Sundays too.
But I think I've had thisconvers I've had this
(10:19):
conversation with my dad andmany others, and I've always
probably given my mom mad whenit when we talk about religion,
like when it comes toChristianity, I feel like if
that is your belief system, thatit you don't necessarily have to
go.
I feel that you don't have to goto church in order to say that,
okay, I believe in God and thisis my way of life.
(10:42):
I'm I'm not saying that youshould not that, you know what I
mean?
But if you believe in it and youpractice it in your own way,
like when you make the time togo to church, that's important
too.
But you can tell me what youthink about that in terms of
your lifestyle.
Like, what do you think?
SPEAKER_02 (10:58):
Well, I mean, I guess I am an advocate for again
believers gathering andfellowshipping together.
Honestly, we're supposed to doit's important to do life
together because if we stay inisolation, then obviously the
enemy can use that and whatnot.
I mean, my husband unfortunatelydoesn't go every Sunday either.
I think he has the sameperspective and whatnot, but I
see the importance of it becauseI'm like, when I look at our
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son, or when I look at, youknow, he's only going with me
now, and yes, he sees the othermen at the church, but let's
just say if all the men had theperspective of my husband, for
example, like what the the youngboys there, who do they have to
look up to?
You know, I think a lot of timeswhen it comes to again
fellowship, and we we kind ofthink like, oh, well, you know,
what purpose do I serve?
(11:43):
But you just never know, like,that who is there that needs
you, right?
That needs you and yourperspective.
And so, you know, I I've workedand served at the church that I
go to um by the grace of guy,like he opened that door for me
over the past five years.
Not to say it wasn't something Ithought of.
I never thought of having thejob.
I, you know, I feel like I wasplaced there, but regardless of
all that, basically, but I seelike the benefit of me being
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there and doing the things thatI am doing in the role that I'm
in.
Because, for example, like forthe longest time, I did just
hire another lady to dopreschool area, but I was the
only woman on the kids' ministryteam at some point.
And so, again, let's justimagine I wasn't there.
You know what I'm saying?
It was just, and not to say thatthe men ain't gonna hold down
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the ones that are there andcertain, you know, and doing
their roles, but you know, Ijust when I look at the little
girls that look like me there,you know what I'm saying, or the
the girls that are there, youknow, the fact that there is a
woman in the room.
I mean, you know, in in theleadership or whatever the case
may be, it it means something.
So I just would say, like, youknow, I don't judge what people
(12:49):
do.
Obviously, again, I'm a husband,I don't judge that fact that he
didn't go every Sunday, stufflike that.
Um I just would say, like, Iguess we gotta think beyond like
just our own personal like ideaof like, oh, it there's no
purpose to me going.
Like, there could be some hugepurpose for you to be in that
that fellowship.
You know what I'm saying?
Because again, when you serve inwhatever you decide to serve in,
(13:13):
or you know, again, just beingthere and knowing that, okay, I
can go to my brother and sisterin Christ when I have those ups
and downs, because I feel likethat's one of the misconceptions
about being a believer is thatyou think, like, oh, you're a
believer, and then yes,everything's pieces of cream,
and you know, you have peace.
That's the past is allunderstanding.
And yes, you do, right?
But you're still gonna gothrough trials, you're gonna go
through the ups and downs, andyou know, we need to be.
SPEAKER_01 (13:34):
Life is still happening, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (13:36):
Yeah, and you know, you need people that's gonna
like encourage you and give yougood sound biblical wisdom if
that's what you believe in, youknow, or versus like you just
not having that, and then youdon't have counsel, or you don't
like that's one thing to nothave counsel at all, but then
when you do have counsel,there's some people that'll give
you bad advice, you know whatI'm saying?
So I think all of that stuffmatters when it comes to um, you
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know, fellowship and and youknow, actually going to the
church and stuff like that.
But, you know, I get it.
I get it.
We definitely are in this seasonwhere, you know, again, there's
virtual, there's all theseoptions out here these days.
SPEAKER_01 (14:09):
So I understand like why people may feel like meh
isn't necessary, but I would saythat it is, just because you
know, you just never know likeyou said, with anything, like
with any practice, even if it'snot, like if it's not being
really or you know, um living alife in faith, like I find, like
you said, society will find waysfor you to just get away from
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that or that way of thinking, orlike I'll give you an example,
not only with religion, but Ialso practice meditation and my
instructor, I'm joining anotherworkshop.
But long story short, when yougo when you after you take the
workshop, like I did nine weeks,and then after you're done, the
problem is even though you'repracticing every day, if you
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don't go like she's alwaysmentioned, going to other
meditation classes or whatever,because you're gonna fall off.
Like even though you have thebest intention, it's so hard
sometimes because we get busywith life.
Life happens, right?
Just like with church, you getbusy with life, you have other
obligations, other things youhave to do.
(15:15):
So, like with anything, we needthat community to help us get
back on track sometimes.
Because like I get what you'resaying with that too.
Totally because you could getsteered the wrong way, and then
you're like, Well, why did I dothat?
And like, you know, yeah, inyour thoughts and that kind of
thing.
But you live in a verychallenging time now.
So I think it's like thisvirtual way.
(15:36):
I I feel like I I'm holding on,like miracle, I'm holding on to
like the 90s when it comes tomusic and like certain things
because even the shows I watch,I still watch the new things,
but I feel like we've advancedwith technology, which is
amazing, but we've also lost alot of sympathy.
And so we have to keep tappinginto those things before it's
(15:58):
completely gone, right?
Yeah, watching Living LivingSingle last night, man.
I love that Living Single.
Oh my gosh.
You know what?
I watch I I watch this comedyspit with Mike Myers from like
back in the day, Saturday NightLive, and I'm just laughing
because now we have to be evenso careful with that.
(16:19):
Like comedy is is like there's alot going on.
SPEAKER_00 (16:26):
Diva tonight, glamour for your ears.
This is 40, a femaleperspective.
SPEAKER_01 (16:33):
I do have a question.
So getting back to the originaltopic and and how you practice
your your lifestyle, but wasfaith a very strong part of your
life when you were growing up?
SPEAKER_02 (16:43):
Yes, I would say so.
So my mom was an evangelist, andso we would be going to
different churches, she would beministering in different ways,
things like that, you know.
So, and she still does andwhatnot as well.
So, yeah, I would say thatobviously I grew up in the
faith, but I would say the mostformative time of my life was
that time in my 20s.
I call that the cultivationperiod.
I wrote my book about it, thingslike that.
(17:04):
But that was my time of reallytapping into everything for
myself.
Like, yes, I, you know, learnand knew and stuff like that,
and at different crossroadsmoments in my life, I would go
to the word because that's whatI knew to do, things like that
when I had my questions andstuff.
But I would say, again, takingthat journey with the Lord and
saying, okay, Lord, what is itthat you want me to do?
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And then getting on the paththat I'm on today was a whole
it's again, it's it's somethingtotally different to like walk
the path yourself versus like,okay, yes, I'm depending on my
mom's prayers or something likethat.
So all believer, I mean,everybody has to make that
decision for themselves.
Like nobody else can stand upfor you, you know, or yeah, do
anything for you in that regard.
And you have to again decidewhat you believe about Jesus
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yourself, and then I thinkthat's when something can really
be done in your life, or youcan, you know, whatever changes
and whatnot can can start tohappen and stuff.
So again, I I'm not sitting hereacting like I'm perfect just
because I, you know, No, no, Idon't think so.
SPEAKER_01 (18:00):
Yeah.
Like I think you guys Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:03):
I'm grateful for the upbringing.
Um, because obviously again ithelped me to to know where to go
when I did have differentcrossroads moments in my life.
So that's the beautiful thingabout again training a child in
the way they should go and andteaching them when they're
young, things like that.
But yeah, they still have thethe child, like I my son, like
you know, he has to like makethat decision for himself and
hopefully, you know, the thingsthat we're doing will encourage
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that and stuff on his journey.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:28):
And and even with that, so if he wants to, you
know, if he wants to find thesame faith or go in a different
direction, will you support himregardless?
Like, you know, I I know that'sa hard question to ask.
SPEAKER_02 (18:41):
I mean, I I love him regardless of things of that
nature.
You know Is it hard?
Is it hard?
SPEAKER_01 (18:48):
Yeah.
Because you're a mom, do youthink like like I don't know how
old your son is, but do youthink like when you're like now
your understanding of like yourmom's role and like, you know,
giving you a differentperspective in that way?
Like, you know.
Uh well he's he's six right now,so Oh, he's still young, okay.
Yes, yes, for sure.
SPEAKER_02 (19:08):
But like when I think about like my family,
right?
I feel like the odd person out.
Like I feel like the black sheepsometimes.
And and it's not that we havedifferent faiths or anything
like that.
It's just that, you know, I feellike I'm on a journey and stuff,
and and it may not correlate tothe journey of my family,
whatever the case may be.
And so with that being said, Ithink I don't know like how I
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would handle it and whatnotwhenever that day comes and he's
making decisions and stuff likethat, and he becomes a man and
all.
But I just hope and pray thatagain the things I'm teaching
him today, right, is going toencourage him and inspire him in
those later years.
Like how, again, my mom'supbringing.
Well, I would say mostly my mom,because it was me and her for a
long time.
Um, my father passed before Iwas born, so that's a whole
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thing there.
Long story short, so the yearthat I was born, he passed in
May, and I was born in August,so that's how well that's what I
mean.
Um so yeah, and so it was me andher for like like my first five
years, and then she remarried mystepfather, who's the only
father I know.
So my father, you know, heremarried she remarried him, and
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then my sister was born,different things like that.
And so I don't know why I got sodeep into that part, but I yeah,
I guess just again, knowing thatI can understand that okay, he's
he's his own individual person.
Again, I know one day he's goingto be a man, so he's gonna have
to make decisions that I mightnot like, or you know, different
things like that.
And so I just would hope andpray that I'm not going to be uh
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at least thus far, I don'tbelieve that I would be the type
of parent that's like forcinghim to do whatever, because
again, I understand that he hasto make his own choices.
And then I also know how itfeels to feel like people expect
certain, you know, I guess putcertain expectations on you.
So I wouldn't want to do that.
But at the same time, I I wouldhope that he would stay in the
face, and I would hope that hewould again continue to learn
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and grow in the faith so he can,you know, teach and do whatever
else that he can do for Lordversus like and and can't and
maybe avoid a lot of the youknow, I know we can't avoid
every down season, but there's alot that we can avoid, right, if
we stay on the the right path.
SPEAKER_01 (21:12):
So And why do you think those things are?
Like what can we avoid?
SPEAKER_02 (21:17):
Uh well, there's a lot of things.
So one of my things, one of thethings my mom taught me and my
sister was to like learn fromother people's mistakes.
So there was a lot of peoplethat, and again, no judgment,
people who live their life, youknow, X, Y, and Z.
But for example, you know, I didhave friends that, you know, got
pregnant in high school, youknow what I'm saying?
Um I didn't live that.
(21:37):
I you know, I got pregnant whenwe got married, you know what
I'm saying?
So, you know, he's sick, so thatwas that that's fairly recent,
you know.
Like that.
You know what I'm saying?
So I was able to live, you know,my twenties on my own, and you
know, I was able to do, youknow, different things like
that.
So you can learn from otherpeople's mistakes by and it's
not just again, just theirmistakes, but just just you
know, again, being observant,listening.
(21:58):
Again, I sit here and talk to myson about this type of stuff all
the time.
Like, you know, hey son, okay,like on one hand, I understand
you want to do what you want todo, but you gotta understand
that me and your father parentsright now, and so you know, if
you do what we say, don't yousee the difference between like
when you do what we say versuswhen you don't do what we say?
Like there's a difference,right?
You know, things like that.
(22:18):
I mean Yeah, yeah.
Now I know that's the kittyperspective, but like just
imagine in your adult life, likea lot of things that again, I
think good parents, right?
Usually if if you got a goodparent, then they're trying to,
you know, lead you in the rightdirection.
They're not trying to like makeyou fail or fall or you know,
things like that.
And so a lot of times, again, ifyou we we might look at parents
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or whatever and look at themlike, oh, what do you know?
Whatever.
And I get it, you know, weteens, you know, we think we
know what we he thinks he knows.
We do, yeah, we do.
We always think we know.
Yeah.
He's the first grade think to meright now.
I'm like, kid, I know all thestuff you learn.
Like, you ain't just answer thequestion.
Like, you know, so I'm I've beenpraying about this whole virtual
public school thing.
I'm like, I feel good about thechoice, but at the same time,
(23:01):
I'm like, you got me questioningthe things, man.
Like, cause you you be trying itsometimes, you know.
But again, we can be the sameway as adults, right?
You know, our parents are tryingto, you know, give us wisdom or
you ask for advice or orwhatever.
Like, even if you don't talkabout parents, let's talk about
like coaching or something.
Like, people come and they talkabout their dreams, they talk
about the things they want todo, and I'm like, okay, here's
(23:21):
some advice, here's some things,you know, here's some resources,
X, Y, and Z.
But until people are ready to dothe thing, like, I can sit here
and be cheering them on thewhole time, but they gotta do
the thing in order for it to bedone.
Like, I, you know, I can't doall the things for you in your
life, right?
And so, again, it just reallydepends.
Like, are you going to acceptsound wisdom?
(23:41):
It's just different things likethat.
So, yeah, a lot can be avoidedif we do, you know, stay focused
and do the right things.
Or, you know, you can learn,like my husband says, uh, his
grandma taught him, I guessbought sense is better than
borrowed sense.
So instead of learning fromother people's mistakes, like I
did, he was like, I guess I usethe perspective of like going
through the thing.
But I'm like, but sometimes youain't gotta go through the
(24:03):
thing.
But some people sometimes peopledo.
SPEAKER_01 (24:05):
So the the saying is always like you said it in
different two different ways.
But I remember saying, like, youknow, like sometimes you just
have to learn from your ownmistakes.
Like, you know, there's thatrebellious, like I was a kid,
just didn't always want tolisten.
And I think, like, you know, myfriend my mom used to say,
friends will bring you, but theywon't bring you back.
(24:27):
And like, I'm like, what are youtalking about?
You know what I mean?
And then it isn't until you'reactually experiencing it and
seeing that, wow, I guess shewasn't my friend.
You know, like maybe you have tolearn that way sometimes, you
know what I mean?
Because you like when you'reyounger, you don't always see
people's intentions.
Like, that's the thing.
Like, it's the innocent, or justbelieve hoping that this person
(24:49):
is a good person, you know whatI mean?
Like, there's certain thingslike we can't prevent from
happening, but it's true.
Like, I mean, wisdom is is morelike is is a thing, right?
Like, I mean, you can you you'veyou've lived your your life and
had those experiences, and soyou can, you know, share that
with your son, and then your momsaid the same thing.
So I think it's like you you wedo learn from other people's
(25:12):
mistakes, and like you know,yeah, both are definitely
important.
SPEAKER_02 (25:15):
And I and I this interesting thing too, because
even again, if I think back oncoaching and stuff, like
sometimes people are talking tome about different stuff, and
I'm like, you know, telling themagain my experiences because
sometimes they want to know thattype of stuff.
And I'm like, I'm always gonnaencourage somebody to do be
better than I was, you know.
Um, because I think sometimestoo, like we think, okay, well,
it worked out for you, you know,but it's like, well, we're two
(25:37):
different people, you know whatI'm saying?
It might not work out for you,you know what I'm saying?
Like it, you know, and so it'sjust one of those things to
think about because again,everybody's life isn't, I guess,
cookie-cutter in that way.
It's I can sit here and say allday long, like, yes, I did this,
I did that, and I did that, andI avoided this, I avoided that.
And so, yes, go on my journeyand do what I did.
But I'm like, no, no, becauseyou're a totally different
(25:57):
person.
So you probably have a totallydifferent experience, even if
you do everything I did, youknow.
And I just don't think at thispoint in my life, right?
Look, almost 40, you know, Idon't think you know type of
risks and chances is is not allthe time.
Like, it depends what we'retalking about, you know what I
mean?
I'm a risk taker, you know whatI'm saying?
I don't get out here and youknow, oh, I want to make every
book I want to publish, or youknow, stuff like that.
(26:18):
Like, I take risks in thatregard, but I don't like, you
know, but there's some thingswhere you're like, hmm, like, do
I want to give me an example?
SPEAKER_01 (26:26):
No, you know?
Yeah, but like when you say itlike that, it's very general.
So what do you mean?
Give me an example, taking arisk with what?
Like going out past your curfewor like doing something that's
not right in society, like youknow, going out late at night,
going out with your friends tothe club.
Like when you say you takerisks, like, or taking a risk
(26:47):
with a business, like where alot of people are like, I don't
know if that's a good idea rightnow.
Maybe do some more research, seeif it's really worth it.
Like when you say risk, whatwhat kind of risk?
SPEAKER_02 (26:58):
So, okay, so for example, there's a few examples
I could give, but like again,when I think back on people that
I've tried to help or whateverthe case may be.
SPEAKER_01 (27:05):
And yeah, you were talking about with your coaching
out.
SPEAKER_02 (27:08):
Yeah, like some talk about like again, entrepreneur
endeavors, things like that.
These people, I guess sometimesI've come across some people
that don't, I guess, take therisk to, you know, just publish
the book or do the thing or justgo ahead and get things in place
for the the entrepreneurendeavors you want, right?
But then they'll the these samepeople will like take the risk
with like their money and youknow, on all these one I think
(27:29):
for me, and that maybe because Igot an entrepreneur mind, but
it's like for me, yeah, I wouldtake the risk to like start a
business or you know, getsomething established or
something like that versus likehe like at some point I had to
make a decision.
And um when I again when it cameto like fooling around and all
the type of stuff.
Like I had to have my come toJesus moment.
It was like, okay, wait,miracle, you say you want to be
(27:50):
married, you know what I'msaying?
You say you want to be in arelationship.
Why are you fooling around?
You know, I had to be honestwith myself about those things
and make a different differentdecision.
And it hurt at the time.
I'm like, dang, I gotta cut offthe friends for benefits, you
know, all that type of stuff.
But I had to do that, you know,and here I am today on the other
side of what I want where Iwanted to be.
I am married.
I do, you know, have a child,like all these different things.
(28:12):
And so I I would say that's agood risk versus like maybe
during that season I should havebeen more focused on getting
business stuff going versusfooling around all the time, you
know.
But then you let years go by andstuff, and then you're like, oh
well, I never got that.
But I'm like, well, what whatchanges?
Like what came, what were wedoing with the time?
Because I think a lot of timeswe think we have time and then
(28:33):
we don't.
SPEAKER_01 (28:37):
You're like, you but you know what?
As I look back, like you're likein your 20s, you're still
figuring it out.
And even in your 30s, too.
Like, I I mean, everyeverybody's past is different.
And and I guess I understandwhat you're saying with that
when you talk to other clientsabout like, well, why are you
taking the risk with your bodyand like you know, and and
that's something that they haveto deal with, and and maybe it's
(29:00):
comfortable for them.
It's so hard.
Like, I mean, to to pinpoint it,like something happened to them
when they were younger, youknow, their own experiences or
like their even their own rolemodels, like trying to break
free from all that.
Like, I I I'm telling you, it'slike having to relearn.
As someone who had, like, Ididn't have like what you call
(29:22):
it, like the greatest examplesin terms of my parents.
Like, I I think from my brain,I'm like, I don't want to be
like you're not like what Iconsider to be the a role model.
Like, I I didn't think my momwas a role model based on the
decisions she made, but there'scertain things that said, like
when you want to get married, Ithink it it takes a certain
discipline.
(29:42):
Like you have to be disciplined.
Like, and I and I don't know ifeveryone wants to do the work
that's involved.
And that's the thing.
Like, discipline with yourfinances, discipline with like
marriage, like you're you'regonna be with one person, like
that that takes work.
Like, I think.
That's that's uh the wholemindset too, like getting in
(30:03):
that frame of mind, right?
SPEAKER_02 (30:05):
Exactly, exactly.
On my own journey, I had toagain be honest with myself
about where I was, and then I'mlike, okay, well well Lord,
okay, I thought I was ready formarriage now, but I guess you're
showing me that I'm not, so howcan I get there, you know, and
stuff like that.
And it just was again that thatpersonal journey.
And I know everybody can't, I'mnot saying that it's everybody's
path.
(30:25):
Like maybe people don't want tobe married or something like
that.
But if you're saying you do, andright, if you're saying that,
you know, there are things thatyou want or whatever, then I
feel like we all can worktowards those things and and
get, you know, not just mentallyprepared, but just prepared in
general for that season.
SPEAKER_01 (30:40):
So what kind of coach are you, though?
I want to ask you that.
SPEAKER_02 (30:43):
Yeah, I so I call myself a cultivation coach.
I mean, I know like mostclients, I guess you would say,
they they are, I guess, talkingto me about, you know, their
dating life, different thingslike that.
But I kind of wanted to stay alittle bit general just because
instead of me saying, Oh, yes,I'm a dating coach, I would say
more so like accountabilitiesbecause you know, I've also
coached someone that wanted tolike make a children's book, you
(31:05):
know what I'm saying?
So it wasn't about like just allday, I don't, it's just not all
about dating.
But I would say that again withwhat I went through and the book
I made and all this differenttype of stuff.
I mean, I do have a heart for mysingle people, and you know, if
I can help somebody on theirjourney, you know, again to
prepare for marriage or youknow, think about the way
they're currently dating or notdating or whatever the case may
(31:25):
be, then you know, I do have aheart for that as well.
SPEAKER_01 (31:28):
So what would you be coaching them on?
What would you be saying to themin terms of like what they have
to think about?
You know what I mean?
Because maybe you're dating thewrong person, you keep dating
the same person over and overagain, and you know what I mean?
Like that guy that's not readyor like has complicated
situations, like you know, yeah.
And like you said, we're notgetting any younger, so right,
(31:52):
right.
SPEAKER_02 (31:54):
Um so I mean it's it is kind of like a personalized,
I guess you would say,experience.
So, for example, about gettingtoo deep into people when
there's a situation is there'sthis gentleman and I talked to
sometimes that you know he hadhe came in with like let's say a
spreadsheet, but like veryparticular, like I want this
particular person, thisparticular thing, blah blah
blah.
I'm like, okay, that's greatthat you know that.
That's wonderful, right?
(32:14):
Okay, so what are you currentlydating?
Like, where where how is thatgoing?
And he he's like in thebeginning stage just not dating.
It's like, okay, so now we gottajust meet people, you know what
I'm saying?
So we're starting from the himopening his mind to just meeting
people and you know, beingfriends with people, you know,
stuff like that, right?
SPEAKER_01 (32:31):
But then, you know, there's people that again, it's
another good example here, youknow, they're well that's going
to different places, you knowwhat I mean, or going using the
apps, you know what I mean, orum like how much time to invest
in someone if they're not on thesame pages, because like, you
know, that's the harder thingtoo, like even when you are just
like you said, being friends,getting to know the person,
(32:53):
right?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (32:54):
Yeah, again, I think like when I think about his
particular situation, I thinkit's more so about like I think
shedding the idea, because a lotof people like to lump people in
categories.
They're like, women all womenand all men.
It's like, hold on, because I'mnot a woman and I ain't like
that.
You know what I'm saying?
So I think w one of the things Idefinitely like to remind people
(33:16):
of, and even myself sometimes, Ihave to remind myself, like,
we're all individuals, you know.
Um, I had to that was one of thebigger things, again, once I got
married, because I think I camein with the the all men mindset
or whatever when I got married.
But then I had to realize, okay,let me focus on what my
particular man liked.
Because it don't seem like heliked what uh what I thought all
men like, you know, stuff likethat.
(33:36):
And so that is something that,you know, encouraging people to
remember that, okay, like get toknow people as individuals, you
know, don't love people intocategories and think all men,
all women this because you'rewrong.
When you say all, you're alreadywrong.
You know, stuff like that.
And so I think once we, I guess,get past those things, and then
we can again get to know people,like I said, on a one-on-one
(33:58):
basis, no preconceived notions,like no, like, you know, and and
maybe that's a vulnerable placeto be and and try to do because
you you can get hurt, like youyou were talking about earlier,
like think friends, you don'tknow if they're gonna be good or
not, that type of thing.
But we can't let like pastexperiences and stuff kind of
keep us from getting to knowsomeone new.
SPEAKER_01 (34:20):
All right, that's amazing.
Thank you so much, Miracle Sims,for sharing your journey.
It's been wow, breathtaking.
You know what I mean?
A lot to think about in my headhere.
It's like thoughts arepercolating.
But anyway, so if anyone wantsto check out your show, and you
said you have a channel, it'sGod Sex Love.
You have a channel, and alsoyour podcast is So yeah, um,
(34:42):
God, Sex and Love, we do havethe podcast.
SPEAKER_02 (34:45):
That's mostly the daily inspiration segment called
Juice, but it's it's also underGod Sex and Love, where podcasts
are.
And then on YouTube, we are God,Sex and Love as well.
You guys can go toGodsexandlove.com and access all
of that in one place.
Um, I'm Cultivation CoachMiracle on Instagram.
And yeah, those are the placesto go.
SPEAKER_01 (35:04):
All right, I'm Carlene, and this is Diva
Tonight with Miracle Sims.
You can check her out, GodSexLove.
And if you thought thisconversation was interesting, do
send me a message at Diva on theradio.
It's Diva with two eyes,D-I-I-V-A on the radio.
And thanks so much for doing it.
SPEAKER_00 (35:25):
Diva Tonight with Carlene will be back.
Send us a message on Instagramat Diva underscore tonight.
Hi, I'm Carleen, and this is Diva.
Tonight, this is 40 a femaleperspective.
Not always our guest 40,exactly, but that's okay.
That's okay.
I'm joined with my special guestall the way in Atlanta, Georgia.
Is Atlanta, Georgia?
Alright, we're back.
(00:23):
Yeah.
Pretty much around the area.
Look, they call all thesurrounding areas Atlanta, so
okay, cool.
Her name is Miracle Sims.
Uh, she's a wife, mother, and afaith-driven entrepreneur who
isn't afraid to talk about realissues.
She's the host of the God, Sex,and Love Talk Show, an author
(00:47):
and a Christian accountabilityand a cultivation coach.
Wow, you have quite the resume.
And so to get things started,how do you guide women of faith
to balance spiritual values withtheir intimate lives?
SPEAKER_02 (01:03):
It depends on who I'm talking to, right?
Is this a single woman?
Is this a married woman?
Is you know differentconversations.
But Okay, well, let's use anexample.
SPEAKER_01 (01:12):
Let's use me as an example.
Since I'm the host, I'm single,like I'm not married, but I do
understand that I think sex ismore intimate, and when we think
about it, and it's a hardconversation to have, right?
So But yeah, you said we have totalk about who we're talking to,
right?
SPEAKER_02 (01:31):
So Right, right.
Well, with you being single, um,I mean, we'll pretty much just
start there because that's whatultimately led me to be on this
journey that I'm on today.
Me and my single years outstruggling, right?
And as a believer, I, long storyshort, was just really seeking
the Lord about like, okay, I'msingle, I'm horny, I know what
(01:54):
I'm supposed to do as aChristian, but where's my
husband at then, Lord?
Like all the different questionsthat I had at that particular
time.
And so I don't know if it's astruggle for you or or or
whatnot, to be single andwhatnot, but for me it was a
struggle to be single because Ididn't want to be single.
I wanted to be either in arelationship or married, you
know, all these different typesof things.
So during that particular time,I was looking into different, I
(02:17):
guess, content things to try tohelp me in my particular
position again as a believer,because there's another added
layer to being a singleChristian, I believe.
Just because it's like, okay,being single, I mean, it
depends.
Like, if you're not a believer,then you probably think, oh
yeah, I'll just go out, do whatI want to do, X, Y, and Z.
Well, as a believer, that's alittle bit difficult because
(02:38):
then you got this thing calledconviction, right?
Or you got this thing, yeah.
I'll just focus on theconviction because I mean I know
there's outside influences aswell, but I think for me, it was
like the internal, like, okay, Iknow what I'm supposed to be
doing.
I've I've read the Bible, I'vestudied, or I grew up in faith,
that type of thing.
So it's like, it's not that easyto just go out and just do all
(02:59):
the things, even when you try,depending on who you are, again,
as well.
But for me, if I just keeptalking about my testimony, even
when I just was like living mylife, doing my thing, fooling
around, not trying to do toomuch, but still wanted to do a
lot.
Like I said, it was a struggle.
And so I'm going, I'm seekingthe Lord.
I'm like, well, where's myhusband at, Dan, Lord?
Because that's all I need,right?
(03:20):
To do what I want to do when Iwant to do it, right?
You know.
And so, long story short, I waslooking for content.
When I was seen online at thatparticular time, I saw Christian
talk shows and they would, youknow, they just only go so far
with the conversation.
Cause so I couldn't reallyrelate.
I'm like, y'all ain't, y'allacting like y'all ain't never
been hot and bothered, you knowwhat I'm saying?
(03:40):
Y'all acting like y'all ain'tnever like, you know, had a
trying time or whatever the casemay be.
And then I would watch what youwould consider to be secular or,
you know, content that wasn'tnecessarily faith-based
Christian.
And they would talk abouteverything, but then they
wouldn't, they wasn't telling mewhat I needed to hear as a
believer.
So seeing those two things atthat time, and I was in my 20s
(04:03):
then, but seeing those twothings happening, that just kind
of enfolded me to just getonline and just start talking.
At that time, I just kind of waswasn't going live then, because
that this was back when YouTube,you had to upload a certain
amount of minutes, and it it wasall this other stuff going on.
SPEAKER_01 (04:20):
Yeah, that the the internet has changed.
And yeah, I think you know what?
If we had started our journey tolike in 2008 when it was just
booming, who knows what it wouldhave been like now.
But I think what you're sayingis true.
Like, God, sex, and love, yourconcept is different because
there's not a lot that combinedthe two.
(04:42):
Like, it's either, like yousaid, it's either we're talking
talking about sex, like, youknow, everyday, like breaking uh
comp the the narrative and liketaboo conversations about it, or
we're talking about religious.
Like, I mean, uh obviously Icould find a podcast on
religion, but we're not gonnamix the two because apparently
(05:03):
it's against Christianity toeven talk about it.
You know what I mean?
Like Is it like I mean if youwere talking to have an
interview with a priest, not apriest, like a pastor, would you
s would you ask him about hissex?
Would you even bring that up?
SPEAKER_02 (05:19):
Um, well, it depends again what he's coming to talk
about.
I mean, we've had pastors comeand talk about their sex lives,
you know, on GSM.
Yeah, we would on our platform,but before, like, I don't know
if people would would do that,you know.
And I think that's the thing forme, like when I think about
again, God's sex, love, andeverything in between, I believe
that God is the creator of allthese things.
(05:40):
And so for me, when I look atthe world and I look at like
broken homes or you know, allthe different hot topic
conversations that I'm notsaying everything has to do with
sex, but when you look at it,like sex is a part of like a lot
of the big hot topic issues thatpeople have.
And so it's like, why are wetrying to act like, you know, if
we believe that God created allthings, right?
(06:02):
Then we need to include God inthe conversation because if he
created it and he has this wayhe wanted it done, X, Y, and Z,
that's what we say we believe asBible readers, then there's no
need to clutch our pearls whenwe hear the word sex and you
know stuff like that.
Because again, we have freedomin that area.
It's just there are certain uhobviously stipulations that the
(06:23):
Bible has to say.
And so, you know, I guess again,that led me to get online and I
just was kind of sharing mytestimony and letting people
know that, hey man, you know,I'm struggling out here.
If anybody else is like me, hereI am.
You know, I wasn't necessarilytrying to start a podcast at
that time, I just was justsharing, you know, and saying
that, hey man, you know, you'renot the only one, you're not
(06:44):
alone.
And so those videos are stillup.
It's like me with a little fro,and I'm just at that time and
just talking about how I felt asa believer and it and just the
different things and strugglesthat I was having at that
particular time.
And lo and behold, I would saythat those videos that
particular time was the I guessthe beginning stages of what
people see today as God, sex andlove.
(07:06):
Like, you know, eventually I hadthe idea to have a talk show.
God, sex and love.
I the name itself, I would sayit's my testimony in a nutshell.
Because I feel like God used mydesire to please him, my desire
for sex, my desire for love todraw me nearer to him.
And so that's where it comesfrom.
I know people are like making abig deal, even still now.
People are like, ooh, this didthis channel shouldn't be
(07:27):
whatever.
And I'm like, if you don't getit, you don't get it.
I mean, it's five years for usnow.
I'm not changing the name, andit's it is what it is.
And it's my testimony, so itdoes kind of hurt when people
have negative things to say.
But at the same time, I feellike, again, with everything
that has happened, especiallysince I've launched and it put
it out publicly and been doingthis for five years or whatever.
(07:48):
I'm just like, you know, I seethe purpose.
And I I feel like there's a lotof people that get in, see it.
Um, those that watch, those thathave been on the channel.
And so I'm here for them.
You know what I'm saying?
And um, I guess again,everybody's not for everybody,
and that's okay, you know.
But yeah, so hopefully Ianswered your question.
I mean, I know what you'redoing.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:05):
I feel like I was saying I I think you're talking
about just how you've gotten tohere and now and why God, sex,
and love.
And I think when you have a an adifferent idea, a lot of people
there's there's always going tobe someone to say something.
And you just have to take itwith granted yourself sometimes
because I it is hard.
It is hard when like this is notmy only podcast.
(08:28):
I have a podcast, it's calledNot Magnation, and I felt like
when I created the show, eventhough I don't live in Grenada,
I'm relating it to you with youridea because not everyone's
gonna appreciate Goscks andLove.
So it's called Non Magnation.
And when I started it, I had somany negative people.
(08:49):
And then even when I was doingthe research behind it, because
Grenada is a very small island.
And for me, even though I'velived in Canada most of my life
since I was here at six, I feltlike I had to somehow educate
whoever's gonna listen on thistopic of Grenada because not a
lot of people know about it, butI feel like with going back to
(09:12):
you, that with your show or yourpodcast, whatever you're
launching with this, I thinkyou're trying to tap into both
sides of it because no one elseis doing it.
And so that's usually when anoriginal idea comes by.
And you're always gonna havepeople that are gonna challenge
it.
They're gonna be like, well, whyare you doing it?
Why are you mixing the two?
It's supposed to be like you'renot doing the norm, right?
(09:35):
And when you go against thenorm, the normal way of doing
things, there's always gonna bepeople who have something to say
without any backing on it.
So I think like kudos to you fordoing that, you know what I
mean?
I guess it's it's it's you know,it's you, right?
And you got the idea and and andhere we are now, right?
So five years later to talkabout it, right?
(09:57):
I think when if we're gonna talkabout like just God's sex and
love, just God itself.
Like I think um even with withreligion and and and just
practicing itself, I don't thinkI've done it in a conventional
way.
Like I don't go to church everySunday.
I go to church when I canbecause I work Sundays too.
But I think I've had thisconvers I've had this
(10:19):
conversation with my dad andmany others, and I've always
probably given my mom mad whenit when we talk about religion,
like when it comes toChristianity, I feel like if
that is your belief system, thatit you don't necessarily have to
go.
I feel that you don't have to goto church in order to say that,
okay, I believe in God and thisis my way of life.
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I'm I'm not saying that youshould not that, you know what I
mean?
But if you believe in it and youpractice it in your own way,
like when you make the time togo to church, that's important
too.
But you can tell me what youthink about that in terms of
your lifestyle.
Like, what do you think?
SPEAKER_02 (10:58):
Well, I mean, I guess I am an advocate for again
believers gathering andfellowshipping together.
Honestly, we're supposed to doit's important to do life
together because if we stay inisolation, then obviously the
enemy can use that and whatnot.
I mean, my husband unfortunatelydoesn't go every Sunday either.
I think he has the sameperspective and whatnot, but I
see the importance of it becauseI'm like, when I look at our
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son, or when I look at, youknow, he's only going with me
now, and yes, he sees the othermen at the church, but let's
just say if all the men had theperspective of my husband, for
example, like what the the youngboys there, who do they have to
look up to?
You know, I think a lot of timeswhen it comes to again
fellowship, and we we kind ofthink like, oh, well, you know,
what purpose do I serve?
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But you just never know, like,that who is there that needs
you, right?
That needs you and yourperspective.
And so, you know, I I've workedand served at the church that I
go to um by the grace of guy,like he opened that door for me
over the past five years.
Not to say it wasn't something Ithought of.
I never thought of having thejob.
I, you know, I feel like I wasplaced there, but regardless of
all that, basically, but I seelike the benefit of me being
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there and doing the things thatI am doing in the role that I'm
in.
Because, for example, like forthe longest time, I did just
hire another lady to dopreschool area, but I was the
only woman on the kids' ministryteam at some point.
And so, again, let's justimagine I wasn't there.
You know what I'm saying?
It was just, and not to say thatthe men ain't gonna hold down
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the ones that are there andcertain, you know, and doing
their roles, but you know, Ijust when I look at the little
girls that look like me there,you know what I'm saying, or the
the girls that are there, youknow, the fact that there is a
woman in the room.
I mean, you know, in in theleadership or whatever the case
may be, it it means something.
So I just would say, like, youknow, I don't judge what people
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do.
Obviously, again, I'm a husband,I don't judge that fact that he
didn't go every Sunday, stufflike that.
Um I just would say, like, Iguess we gotta think beyond like
just our own personal like ideaof like, oh, it there's no
purpose to me going.
Like, there could be some hugepurpose for you to be in that
that fellowship.
You know what I'm saying?
Because again, when you serve inwhatever you decide to serve in,
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or you know, again, just beingthere and knowing that, okay, I
can go to my brother and sisterin Christ when I have those ups
and downs, because I feel likethat's one of the misconceptions
about being a believer is thatyou think, like, oh, you're a
believer, and then yes,everything's pieces of cream,
and you know, you have peace.
That's the past is allunderstanding.
And yes, you do, right?
But you're still gonna gothrough trials, you're gonna go
through the ups and downs, andyou know, we need to be.
SPEAKER_01 (13:34):
Life is still happening, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (13:36):
Yeah, and you know, you need people that's gonna
like encourage you and give yougood sound biblical wisdom if
that's what you believe in, youknow, or versus like you just
not having that, and then youdon't have counsel, or you don't
like that's one thing to nothave counsel at all, but then
when you do have counsel,there's some people that'll give
you bad advice, you know whatI'm saying?
So I think all of that stuffmatters when it comes to um, you
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know, fellowship and and youknow, actually going to the
church and stuff like that.
But, you know, I get it.
I get it.
We definitely are in this seasonwhere, you know, again, there's
virtual, there's all theseoptions out here these days.
SPEAKER_01 (14:09):
So I understand like why people may feel like meh
isn't necessary, but I would saythat it is, just because you
know, you just never know likeyou said, with anything, like
with any practice, even if it'snot, like if it's not being
really or you know, um living alife in faith, like I find, like
you said, society will find waysfor you to just get away from
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that or that way of thinking, orlike I'll give you an example,
not only with religion, but Ialso practice meditation and my
instructor, I'm joining anotherworkshop.
But long story short, when yougo when you after you take the
workshop, like I did nine weeks,and then after you're done, the
problem is even though you'repracticing every day, if you
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don't go like she's alwaysmentioned, going to other
meditation classes or whatever,because you're gonna fall off.
Like even though you have thebest intention, it's so hard
sometimes because we get busywith life.
Life happens, right?
Just like with church, you getbusy with life, you have other
obligations, other things youhave to do.
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So, like with anything, we needthat community to help us get
back on track sometimes.
Because like I get what you'resaying with that too.
Totally because you could getsteered the wrong way, and then
you're like, Well, why did I dothat?
And like, you know, yeah, inyour thoughts and that kind of
thing.
But you live in a verychallenging time now.
So I think it's like thisvirtual way.
(15:36):
I I feel like I I'm holding on,like miracle, I'm holding on to
like the 90s when it comes tomusic and like certain things
because even the shows I watch,I still watch the new things,
but I feel like we've advancedwith technology, which is
amazing, but we've also lost alot of sympathy.
And so we have to keep tappinginto those things before it's
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completely gone, right?
Yeah, watching Living LivingSingle last night, man.
I love that Living Single.
Oh my gosh.
You know what?
I watch I I watch this comedyspit with Mike Myers from like
back in the day, Saturday NightLive, and I'm just laughing
because now we have to be evenso careful with that.
(16:19):
Like comedy is is like there's alot going on.
SPEAKER_00 (16:26):
Diva tonight, glamour for your ears.
This is 40, a femaleperspective.
SPEAKER_01 (16:33):
I do have a question.
So getting back to the originaltopic and and how you practice
your your lifestyle, but wasfaith a very strong part of your
life when you were growing up?
SPEAKER_02 (16:43):
Yes, I would say so.
So my mom was an evangelist, andso we would be going to
different churches, she would beministering in different ways,
things like that, you know.
So, and she still does andwhatnot as well.
So, yeah, I would say thatobviously I grew up in the
faith, but I would say the mostformative time of my life was
that time in my 20s.
I call that the cultivationperiod.
I wrote my book about it, thingslike that.
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But that was my time of reallytapping into everything for
myself.
Like, yes, I, you know, learnand knew and stuff like that,
and at different crossroadsmoments in my life, I would go
to the word because that's whatI knew to do, things like that
when I had my questions andstuff.
But I would say, again, takingthat journey with the Lord and
saying, okay, Lord, what is itthat you want me to do?
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And then getting on the paththat I'm on today was a whole
it's again, it's it's somethingtotally different to like walk
the path yourself versus like,okay, yes, I'm depending on my
mom's prayers or something likethat.
So all believer, I mean,everybody has to make that
decision for themselves.
Like nobody else can stand upfor you, you know, or yeah, do
anything for you in that regard.
And you have to again decidewhat you believe about Jesus
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yourself, and then I thinkthat's when something can really
be done in your life, or youcan, you know, whatever changes
and whatnot can can start tohappen and stuff.
So again, I I'm not sitting hereacting like I'm perfect just
because I, you know, No, no, Idon't think so.
SPEAKER_01 (18:00):
Yeah.
Like I think you guys Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:03):
I'm grateful for the upbringing.
Um, because obviously again ithelped me to to know where to go
when I did have differentcrossroads moments in my life.
So that's the beautiful thingabout again training a child in
the way they should go and andteaching them when they're
young, things like that.
But yeah, they still have thethe child, like I my son, like
you know, he has to like makethat decision for himself and
hopefully, you know, the thingsthat we're doing will encourage
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that and stuff on his journey.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:28):
And and even with that, so if he wants to, you
know, if he wants to find thesame faith or go in a different
direction, will you support himregardless?
Like, you know, I I know that'sa hard question to ask.
SPEAKER_02 (18:41):
I mean, I I love him regardless of things of that
nature.
You know Is it hard?
Is it hard?
SPEAKER_01 (18:48):
Yeah.
Because you're a mom, do youthink like like I don't know how
old your son is, but do youthink like when you're like now
your understanding of like yourmom's role and like, you know,
giving you a differentperspective in that way?
Like, you know.
Uh well he's he's six right now,so Oh, he's still young, okay.
Yes, yes, for sure.
SPEAKER_02 (19:08):
But like when I think about like my family,
right?
I feel like the odd person out.
Like I feel like the black sheepsometimes.
And and it's not that we havedifferent faiths or anything
like that.
It's just that, you know, I feellike I'm on a journey and stuff,
and and it may not correlate tothe journey of my family,
whatever the case may be.
And so with that being said, Ithink I don't know like how I
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would handle it and whatnotwhenever that day comes and he's
making decisions and stuff likethat, and he becomes a man and
all.
But I just hope and pray thatagain the things I'm teaching
him today, right, is going toencourage him and inspire him in
those later years.
Like how, again, my mom'supbringing.
Well, I would say mostly my mom,because it was me and her for a
long time.
Um, my father passed before Iwas born, so that's a whole
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thing there.
Long story short, so the yearthat I was born, he passed in
May, and I was born in August,so that's how well that's what I
mean.
Um so yeah, and so it was me andher for like like my first five
years, and then she remarried mystepfather, who's the only
father I know.
So my father, you know, heremarried she remarried him, and
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then my sister was born,different things like that.
And so I don't know why I got sodeep into that part, but I yeah,
I guess just again, knowing thatI can understand that okay, he's
he's his own individual person.
Again, I know one day he's goingto be a man, so he's gonna have
to make decisions that I mightnot like, or you know, different
things like that.
And so I just would hope andpray that I'm not going to be uh
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at least thus far, I don'tbelieve that I would be the type
of parent that's like forcinghim to do whatever, because
again, I understand that he hasto make his own choices.
And then I also know how itfeels to feel like people expect
certain, you know, I guess putcertain expectations on you.
So I wouldn't want to do that.
But at the same time, I I wouldhope that he would stay in the
face, and I would hope that hewould again continue to learn
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and grow in the faith so he can,you know, teach and do whatever
else that he can do for Lordversus like and and can't and
maybe avoid a lot of the youknow, I know we can't avoid
every down season, but there's alot that we can avoid, right, if
we stay on the the right path.
SPEAKER_01 (21:12):
So And why do you think those things are?
Like what can we avoid?
SPEAKER_02 (21:17):
Uh well, there's a lot of things.
So one of my things, one of thethings my mom taught me and my
sister was to like learn fromother people's mistakes.
So there was a lot of peoplethat, and again, no judgment,
people who live their life, youknow, X, Y, and Z.
But for example, you know, I didhave friends that, you know, got
pregnant in high school, youknow what I'm saying?
Um I didn't live that.
(21:37):
I you know, I got pregnant whenwe got married, you know what
I'm saying?
So, you know, he's sick, so thatwas that that's fairly recent,
you know.
Like that.
You know what I'm saying?
So I was able to live, you know,my twenties on my own, and you
know, I was able to do, youknow, different things like
that.
So you can learn from otherpeople's mistakes by and it's
not just again, just theirmistakes, but just just you
know, again, being observant,listening.
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Again, I sit here and talk to myson about this type of stuff all
the time.
Like, you know, hey son, okay,like on one hand, I understand
you want to do what you want todo, but you gotta understand
that me and your father parentsright now, and so you know, if
you do what we say, don't yousee the difference between like
when you do what we say versuswhen you don't do what we say?
Like there's a difference,right?
You know, things like that.
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I mean Yeah, yeah.
Now I know that's the kittyperspective, but like just
imagine in your adult life, likea lot of things that again, I
think good parents, right?
Usually if if you got a goodparent, then they're trying to,
you know, lead you in the rightdirection.
They're not trying to like makeyou fail or fall or you know,
things like that.
And so a lot of times, again, ifyou we we might look at parents
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or whatever and look at themlike, oh, what do you know?
Whatever.
And I get it, you know, weteens, you know, we think we
know what we he thinks he knows.
We do, yeah, we do.
We always think we know.
Yeah.
He's the first grade think to meright now.
I'm like, kid, I know all thestuff you learn.
Like, you ain't just answer thequestion.
Like, you know, so I'm I've beenpraying about this whole virtual
public school thing.
I'm like, I feel good about thechoice, but at the same time,
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I'm like, you got me questioningthe things, man.
Like, cause you you be trying itsometimes, you know.
But again, we can be the sameway as adults, right?
You know, our parents are tryingto, you know, give us wisdom or
you ask for advice or orwhatever.
Like, even if you don't talkabout parents, let's talk about
like coaching or something.
Like, people come and they talkabout their dreams, they talk
about the things they want todo, and I'm like, okay, here's
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some advice, here's some things,you know, here's some resources,
X, Y, and Z.
But until people are ready to dothe thing, like, I can sit here
and be cheering them on thewhole time, but they gotta do
the thing in order for it to bedone.
Like, I, you know, I can't doall the things for you in your
life, right?
And so, again, it just reallydepends.
Like, are you going to acceptsound wisdom?
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It's just different things likethat.
So, yeah, a lot can be avoidedif we do, you know, stay focused
and do the right things.
Or, you know, you can learn,like my husband says, uh, his
grandma taught him, I guessbought sense is better than
borrowed sense.
So instead of learning fromother people's mistakes, like I
did, he was like, I guess I usethe perspective of like going
through the thing.
But I'm like, but sometimes youain't gotta go through the
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thing.
But some people sometimes peopledo.
SPEAKER_01 (24:05):
So the the saying is always like you said it in
different two different ways.
But I remember saying, like, youknow, like sometimes you just
have to learn from your ownmistakes.
Like, you know, there's thatrebellious, like I was a kid,
just didn't always want tolisten.
And I think, like, you know, myfriend my mom used to say,
friends will bring you, but theywon't bring you back.
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And like, I'm like, what are youtalking about?
You know what I mean?
And then it isn't until you'reactually experiencing it and
seeing that, wow, I guess shewasn't my friend.
You know, like maybe you have tolearn that way sometimes, you
know what I mean?
Because you like when you'reyounger, you don't always see
people's intentions.
Like, that's the thing.
Like, it's the innocent, or justbelieve hoping that this person
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is a good person, you know whatI mean?
Like, there's certain thingslike we can't prevent from
happening, but it's true.
Like, I mean, wisdom is is morelike is is a thing, right?
Like, I mean, you can you you'veyou've lived your your life and
had those experiences, and soyou can, you know, share that
with your son, and then your momsaid the same thing.
So I think it's like you you wedo learn from other people's
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mistakes, and like you know,yeah, both are definitely
important.
SPEAKER_02 (25:15):
And I and I this interesting thing too, because
even again, if I think back oncoaching and stuff, like
sometimes people are talking tome about different stuff, and
I'm like, you know, telling themagain my experiences because
sometimes they want to know thattype of stuff.
And I'm like, I'm always gonnaencourage somebody to do be
better than I was, you know.
Um, because I think sometimestoo, like we think, okay, well,
it worked out for you, you know,but it's like, well, we're two
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different people, you know whatI'm saying?
It might not work out for you,you know what I'm saying?
Like it, you know, and so it'sjust one of those things to
think about because again,everybody's life isn't, I guess,
cookie-cutter in that way.
It's I can sit here and say allday long, like, yes, I did this,
I did that, and I did that, andI avoided this, I avoided that.
And so, yes, go on my journeyand do what I did.
But I'm like, no, no, becauseyou're a totally different
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person.
So you probably have a totallydifferent experience, even if
you do everything I did, youknow.
And I just don't think at thispoint in my life, right?
Look, almost 40, you know, Idon't think you know type of
risks and chances is is not allthe time.
Like, it depends what we'retalking about, you know what I
mean?
I'm a risk taker, you know whatI'm saying?
I don't get out here and youknow, oh, I want to make every
book I want to publish, or youknow, stuff like that.
(26:18):
Like, I take risks in thatregard, but I don't like, you
know, but there's some thingswhere you're like, hmm, like, do
I want to give me an example?
SPEAKER_01 (26:26):
No, you know?
Yeah, but like when you say itlike that, it's very general.
So what do you mean?
Give me an example, taking arisk with what?
Like going out past your curfewor like doing something that's
not right in society, like youknow, going out late at night,
going out with your friends tothe club.
Like when you say you takerisks, like, or taking a risk
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with a business, like where alot of people are like, I don't
know if that's a good idea rightnow.
Maybe do some more research, seeif it's really worth it.
Like when you say risk, whatwhat kind of risk?
SPEAKER_02 (26:58):
So, okay, so for example, there's a few examples
I could give, but like again,when I think back on people that
I've tried to help or whateverthe case may be.
SPEAKER_01 (27:05):
And yeah, you were talking about with your coaching
out.
SPEAKER_02 (27:08):
Yeah, like some talk about like again, entrepreneur
endeavors, things like that.
These people, I guess sometimesI've come across some people
that don't, I guess, take therisk to, you know, just publish
the book or do the thing or justgo ahead and get things in place
for the the entrepreneurendeavors you want, right?
But then they'll the these samepeople will like take the risk
with like their money and youknow, on all these one I think
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for me, and that maybe because Igot an entrepreneur mind, but
it's like for me, yeah, I wouldtake the risk to like start a
business or you know, getsomething established or
something like that versus likehe like at some point I had to
make a decision.
And um when I again when it cameto like fooling around and all
the type of stuff.
Like I had to have my come toJesus moment.
It was like, okay, wait,miracle, you say you want to be
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married, you know what I'msaying?
You say you want to be in arelationship.
Why are you fooling around?
You know, I had to be honestwith myself about those things
and make a different differentdecision.
And it hurt at the time.
I'm like, dang, I gotta cut offthe friends for benefits, you
know, all that type of stuff.
But I had to do that, you know,and here I am today on the other
side of what I want where Iwanted to be.
I am married.
I do, you know, have a child,like all these different things.
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And so I I would say that's agood risk versus like maybe
during that season I should havebeen more focused on getting
business stuff going versusfooling around all the time, you
know.
But then you let years go by andstuff, and then you're like, oh
well, I never got that.
But I'm like, well, what whatchanges?
Like what came, what were wedoing with the time?
Because I think a lot of timeswe think we have time and then
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we don't.
SPEAKER_01 (28:37):
You're like, you but you know what?
As I look back, like you're likein your 20s, you're still
figuring it out.
And even in your 30s, too.
Like, I I mean, everyeverybody's past is different.
And and I guess I understandwhat you're saying with that
when you talk to other clientsabout like, well, why are you
taking the risk with your bodyand like you know, and and
that's something that they haveto deal with, and and maybe it's
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comfortable for them.
It's so hard.
Like, I mean, to to pinpoint it,like something happened to them
when they were younger, youknow, their own experiences or
like their even their own rolemodels, like trying to break
free from all that.
Like, I I I'm telling you, it'slike having to relearn.
As someone who had, like, Ididn't have like what you call
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it, like the greatest examplesin terms of my parents.
Like, I I think from my brain,I'm like, I don't want to be
like you're not like what Iconsider to be the a role model.
Like, I I didn't think my momwas a role model based on the
decisions she made, but there'scertain things that said, like
when you want to get married, Ithink it it takes a certain
discipline.
(29:42):
Like you have to be disciplined.
Like, and I and I don't know ifeveryone wants to do the work
that's involved.
And that's the thing.
Like, discipline with yourfinances, discipline with like
marriage, like you're you'regonna be with one person, like
that that takes work.
Like, I think.
That's that's uh the wholemindset too, like getting in
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that frame of mind, right?
SPEAKER_02 (30:05):
Exactly, exactly.
On my own journey, I had toagain be honest with myself
about where I was, and then I'mlike, okay, well well Lord,
okay, I thought I was ready formarriage now, but I guess you're
showing me that I'm not, so howcan I get there, you know, and
stuff like that.
And it just was again that thatpersonal journey.
And I know everybody can't, I'mnot saying that it's everybody's
path.
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Like maybe people don't want tobe married or something like
that.
But if you're saying you do, andright, if you're saying that,
you know, there are things thatyou want or whatever, then I
feel like we all can worktowards those things and and
get, you know, not just mentallyprepared, but just prepared in
general for that season.
SPEAKER_01 (30:40):
So what kind of coach are you, though?
I want to ask you that.
SPEAKER_02 (30:43):
Yeah, I so I call myself a cultivation coach.
I mean, I know like mostclients, I guess you would say,
they they are, I guess, talkingto me about, you know, their
dating life, different thingslike that.
But I kind of wanted to stay alittle bit general just because
instead of me saying, Oh, yes,I'm a dating coach, I would say
more so like accountabilitiesbecause you know, I've also
coached someone that wanted tolike make a children's book, you
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know what I'm saying?
So it wasn't about like just allday, I don't, it's just not all
about dating.
But I would say that again withwhat I went through and the book
I made and all this differenttype of stuff.
I mean, I do have a heart for mysingle people, and you know, if
I can help somebody on theirjourney, you know, again to
prepare for marriage or youknow, think about the way
they're currently dating or notdating or whatever the case may
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be, then you know, I do have aheart for that as well.
SPEAKER_01 (31:28):
So what would you be coaching them on?
What would you be saying to themin terms of like what they have
to think about?
You know what I mean?
Because maybe you're dating thewrong person, you keep dating
the same person over and overagain, and you know what I mean?
Like that guy that's not readyor like has complicated
situations, like you know, yeah.
And like you said, we're notgetting any younger, so right,
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right.
SPEAKER_02 (31:54):
Um so I mean it's it is kind of like a personalized,
I guess you would say,experience.
So, for example, about gettingtoo deep into people when
there's a situation is there'sthis gentleman and I talked to
sometimes that you know he hadhe came in with like let's say a
spreadsheet, but like veryparticular, like I want this
particular person, thisparticular thing, blah blah
blah.
I'm like, okay, that's greatthat you know that.
That's wonderful, right?
(32:14):
Okay, so what are you currentlydating?
Like, where where how is thatgoing?
And he he's like in thebeginning stage just not dating.
It's like, okay, so now we gottajust meet people, you know what
I'm saying?
So we're starting from the himopening his mind to just meeting
people and you know, beingfriends with people, you know,
stuff like that, right?
SPEAKER_01 (32:31):
But then, you know, there's people that again, it's
another good example here, youknow, they're well that's going
to different places, you knowwhat I mean, or going using the
apps, you know what I mean, orum like how much time to invest
in someone if they're not on thesame pages, because like, you
know, that's the harder thingtoo, like even when you are just
like you said, being friends,getting to know the person,
(32:53):
right?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (32:54):
Yeah, again, I think like when I think about his
particular situation, I thinkit's more so about like I think
shedding the idea, because a lotof people like to lump people in
categories.
They're like, women all womenand all men.
It's like, hold on, because I'mnot a woman and I ain't like
that.
You know what I'm saying?
So I think w one of the things Idefinitely like to remind people
(33:16):
of, and even myself sometimes, Ihave to remind myself, like,
we're all individuals, you know.
Um, I had to that was one of thebigger things, again, once I got
married, because I think I camein with the the all men mindset
or whatever when I got married.
But then I had to realize, okay,let me focus on what my
particular man liked.
Because it don't seem like heliked what uh what I thought all
men like, you know, stuff likethat.
(33:36):
And so that is something that,you know, encouraging people to
remember that, okay, like get toknow people as individuals, you
know, don't love people intocategories and think all men,
all women this because you'rewrong.
When you say all, you're alreadywrong.
You know, stuff like that.
And so I think once we, I guess,get past those things, and then
we can again get to know people,like I said, on a one-on-one
(33:58):
basis, no preconceived notions,like no, like, you know, and and
maybe that's a vulnerable placeto be and and try to do because
you you can get hurt, like youyou were talking about earlier,
like think friends, you don'tknow if they're gonna be good or
not, that type of thing.
But we can't let like pastexperiences and stuff kind of
keep us from getting to knowsomeone new.
SPEAKER_01 (34:20):
All right, that's amazing.
Thank you so much, Miracle Sims,for sharing your journey.
It's been wow, breathtaking.
You know what I mean?
A lot to think about in my headhere.
It's like thoughts arepercolating.
But anyway, so if anyone wantsto check out your show, and you
said you have a channel, it'sGod Sex Love.
You have a channel, and alsoyour podcast is So yeah, um,
(34:42):
God, Sex and Love, we do havethe podcast.
SPEAKER_02 (34:45):
That's mostly the daily inspiration segment called
Juice, but it's it's also underGod Sex and Love, where podcasts
are.
And then on YouTube, we are God,Sex and Love as well.
You guys can go toGodsexandlove.com and access all
of that in one place.
Um, I'm Cultivation CoachMiracle on Instagram.
And yeah, those are the placesto go.
SPEAKER_01 (35:04):
All right, I'm Carlene, and this is Diva
Tonight with Miracle Sims.
You can check her out, GodSexLove.
And if you thought thisconversation was interesting, do
send me a message at Diva on theradio.
It's Diva with two eyes,D-I-I-V-A on the radio.
And thanks so much for doing it.
SPEAKER_00 (35:25):
Diva Tonight with Carlene will be back.
Send us a message on Instagramat Diva underscore tonight.
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