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SPEAKER_04 (00:16):
Don't look under the internet.
SPEAKER_00 (00:25):
Probably.
All right, all right.
SPEAKER_02 (00:32):
Welcome to Wheezy F the podcast, um, baby.
Why don't you don't look underthe internet, ladies and
gentlemen?
The creepiest, spopiest podcastthis side of the Tallahassee.
I'm joined with Moothu.
Amelia, Amelie, Amelie, Amelie,Amelia, I'm joined with actually
(00:55):
I'm sorry, not Matt.
That was that was a mistake ofmine.
I'm joined with Wheezy overthere.
And then we have then we haveToonchi over here.
Uh go ahead, Toonchi, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00 (01:04):
That was funny.
I was gonna be like, hello, I'mBirdman.
SPEAKER_01 (01:08):
Birdman! Play boy!
SPEAKER_02 (01:14):
Um, and it's me, your boy.
SPEAKER_06 (01:17):
Uh can I have Mike Willmade at the beginning of
this uh episode?
Mike Willmade.
SPEAKER_03 (01:23):
Mike Wellmade.
Trapaholics re trap.
SPEAKER_00 (01:26):
Where'd you get that?
Damn, son.
SPEAKER_03 (01:31):
Can that just be our new intro on whatever we have
now?
Damn, son.
Where'd you why'd you look here?
SPEAKER_06 (01:39):
Why'd you look at this?
SPEAKER_03 (01:41):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:43):
Damn, son, made you look.
SPEAKER_03 (01:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (01:45):
Um, the intro video will just be like I got a lime
wire like downloading.
SPEAKER_03 (01:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:53):
You can just see the aid seeping into the fucking
computer.
SPEAKER_02 (01:57):
Uh check the description below for our Dat
Piff uh link.
It's it's great, it's rightthere for you.
Oh my god.
I haven't thought about thatwebsite in so long.
Oh, it got fucked up.
Some some some dudes bought it,I think, or something like that,
and they turned it into somereally ass like just like link
share website.
Destroyed it.
Assily destroyed it.
That sounds right.
Um anyway, um, yeah, well, I'mdon't look at the internet.
(02:20):
Uh the podcast where we recordtwo episodes in a night, so we
don't have any housekeepinganymore uh for this episode.
But what we do have, what wasthat?
I got a notification on myphone.
SPEAKER_01 (02:30):
Oh shit, dude.
SPEAKER_02 (02:33):
Dudes, TMZ here again.
Oh TMZ.
Wow, Jason isn't here for any ofthese.
And he was my champion for a bitwhere he was like, I'm I I wish
we could think about doing themwithout.
SPEAKER_06 (02:47):
I'm here for it.
I'm here for it.
SPEAKER_02 (02:48):
Hell yeah, brother.
What do you got?
TMZ.
So TMZ with this bullshit.
There were four celebrities thatjust came out with uh uh some
leaked sex tapes.
And boy oh boy, these sex tapescame out, and they actually
someone has the raw footage ofthese sex tapes.
(03:08):
They have it on film and they'reselling, they're auctioning them
off.
It's wild.
So it is a sex tape with AmberHeard and Fred Dresher getting a
little nasty, and then this isthe weirdest one.
It was Lucy Lou and George Bush.
Fucking nuts, dude.
So this person, this anonymousperson, is auctioning these off
(03:31):
as we speak, and the the pricepoints for these are like neck
and neck, they're practicallythe same.
It's to the point where TMZ hasrequ uh has has basically
announced that a herd in thefran is worth loo in the bush.
SPEAKER_03 (03:49):
A herd in the fran is worth loo in the bush.
SPEAKER_06 (03:59):
Honestly, I'm not being silent because I'm fucking
with you.
I just don't get it.
SPEAKER_01 (04:04):
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush?
A herd in the fran is worth twoin the bush.
SPEAKER_06 (04:11):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (04:12):
Come on, man.
SPEAKER_06 (04:13):
And then Amber heard shit's on the bed.
SPEAKER_02 (04:15):
Yeah.
I mean, whatever.
Okay.
Well.
You people don't deserve.
Don't deserve anything that Ibring to the fucking table.
I want to hear it.
I have Alpha booing me in thechat.
You're banned.
That's a that's a phrase.
SPEAKER_06 (04:35):
I understand that that's a like a colloquialism.
I haven't heard or something.
But what why?
What?
SPEAKER_02 (04:40):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (04:42):
A herd in the fran is worth loo in the bush.
That's all I know.
Is it better to be content withwhat you already have, even if
it's a smaller or less desirableamount, than to risk it all by
pursuing something potentiallybetter.
SPEAKER_02 (04:55):
Listen, I'm just saying, Alpha's booing me in the
chat.
Mods kick them.
Ban them.
Uh, I need them out.
I need them gone.
I need them out.
Uh mods mod 'em.
Mod mod.
I'm not gonna lie, that one tookme way too long to think up, and
I am embarrassed now because sowhat did you do?
SPEAKER_00 (05:14):
Did you I uh I need to think I need to find a pun
and then you're like, whatcelebrities?
SPEAKER_02 (05:21):
Yes, that's exactly what it is.
I I I find a phrase or apormanteau, if you will, and I
uh I I try to think of celebritynames that fit in there, and
then I just flesh it out fromthere.
SPEAKER_06 (05:36):
It reminds me of there's a the I've mentioned
this podcast before, but there'sa podcast I listen to called uh
I Could Murder a Podcast, andthere's a guy on there, Ben, and
like the running gag is that Benis an idiot.
He's he's the you of the of theI didn't say you were an idiot,
I said that the running gag isthat you're an idiot.
(05:58):
But anyway, he does this thingwhere he always like says a
riddle for what next week'stopic is gonna be, but it's
they're fucking terrible.
It's not a riddle, he just likem says a couple things that that
have something to do with wordsthat sound like the person's
name.
Like it doesn't make any fuckingsense, and I feel like that's
what exactly was happening here.
SPEAKER_02 (06:18):
Well, this would well, today's episode, Matt, I'm
glad you bring it up.
Um funny enough, um this week'sepisode is neither March, April,
or May.
But today we're talking aboutRoy J.
SPEAKER_06 (06:36):
You know what?
SPEAKER_02 (06:37):
How was that for a riddle?
SPEAKER_06 (06:40):
You know, like I think it's fine, honestly.
SPEAKER_02 (06:44):
Thank you.
You know what, you boys, takethe night.
SPEAKER_03 (06:47):
I'll handle Roy J by myself again.
SPEAKER_02 (06:51):
Again.
Um Yeah, so we're gonna betalking about Roy J today, which
um I where I don't know whatelse to say about it without
giving away too much.
I'm both excited to talk aboutthis, but I'm more excited for
the discussion to have with youboys afterwards.
Um a user actually, uh a user, alistener actually uh made a
(07:16):
comment on like our Spotify uhsaying you guys should cover Roy
J.
And we all did a quick Googlesearch of Roy J, and we're like,
yeah, that's some weird shit.
SPEAKER_04 (07:25):
So this is your wall.
SPEAKER_02 (07:27):
Yeah, and then we figured out not a lot here.
Not a lot to Roy J here.
But I still like the concept.
I like the concept of it.
It's gonna be fun.
I like the idea.
So let's kind of dive into thisa smidge, a smidgeil digital
here, boys.
So what is Roy J?
(07:48):
You're probably wonderingyourself.
So on April 4th, 2025, ananonymous user on 4chan posted a
um a link.
He posted a file uh titled Royunderscore J underscore PJs with
a message saying this is a demonwriting itself into
retroactively or is writingitself retroactively into pop
(08:11):
culture history.
You'll think this is a shitpost, but you'll remember him
from your childhood soon enough.
Here is the picture.
And then they post a picture ofRoy J a man in his pajamas.
Now more discussion went intothis um about what Roy J is, who
(08:33):
he is, um, and why the fuck somepeople are arguing that this
demon, quote unquote, maybe alittle bit more interesting than
we thought.
Boot, care to elaborate aspeech?
SPEAKER_06 (08:50):
I will elabor elaborate, right?
So okay, Roy J, this this dudehere, if you're watching, he's
on the fucking screen.
SPEAKER_03 (09:00):
He allegedly is Ah God, I just put the screen on.
SPEAKER_06 (09:08):
He I'll put it back.
He allegedly is a comedian fromback in like the 70s and 80s.
And you know what?
Instead of putting a lot ofeffort into trying to explain
it, I'm literally just gonnaread you his career synopsis
from Wikipedia.
Roy J.
SPEAKER_02 (09:26):
Fair is fair.
SPEAKER_06 (09:27):
Born as Roy Jorgensen, I think the Jay is
because he's Norwegian, was aBritish Norwegian or British
stand-up comedian.
He performed with musicalaccompaniment and wearing a
convict uniform decorated withbroad arrows, telling jokes
interspersed with his spook andslither hit hither catchphrases.
Jay made high-profile televisionappearances in the 1980s,
(09:51):
including The Little and LargeShow, the Bob Monkhouse Show,
the Laughter Show, and The MainAttraction.
In 1973, Roy Jay topped the billin cabaret following the Miss
Gibalter Beauty Pageantbroadcast by Jimmy Great.
Yep.
The broad uh the broadcastingcorporation.
Jay toured the clubs of England,Ireland, Scotland, and Wales
(10:12):
before being offered athree-month tour of South Africa
in 1975.
Jay stayed for eight months andrapidly built a following in the
country before returning to theUK.
In the early 1980s, Jay beganappearing on television shows
with his Spook Spook SlitherHither act.
Jay would prowl around the stageto musical accompaniment,
(10:33):
wearing a convex uniform,telling jokes interjected with
his catchphrases.
On August of 1984, Jay performedat the exclusive inn on the park
club in Jersey.
Frustrated with hecklers, hedropped his trousers on stage in
front of a family audience.
Jay was fined 200 pounds afteradmitting indecent exposure.
(10:53):
The incident received mediacoverage and dented Jay's public
image.
Jay did not appear as a regularin the second series of The
Laughter Show, but did make aguest appearance in the third
episode on March of 1985.
So basically, this dude was acomedian.
Um, this entire Wikipediasynopsis is basically a summary
(11:13):
of an article that was posted onI think comedy.co.uk, uh, which
details his career in moredetail.
Basically, he was like a failingcomedian in the 70s who was
having a real difficult timelike actually gaining national
attention, and he like keptchanging his content and his
(11:35):
character.
He went to South Africa, cameback to the UK, reinvented
himself with this like weirdfucking musical number thing.
Um, and then apparently justsort of showed Dong.
Yeah, yeah.
He he struggled with likealcoholism a lot, which comes
into this a little bit, I think,comes into his life at several
points.
(11:55):
And I guess he just like fadedout of the public eye
eventually.
SPEAKER_02 (12:00):
And so I guess why are we talking about a comedian
though?
Why are people saying this guy'sa a demon?
We we see he's right here.
We just have a Wikipedia on himin his life.
SPEAKER_00 (12:12):
So, okay, so I have some com I have some of the
claims that like the the fourchannels, the Redditors, the the
Hoozuma boobers, whoever'stalking about this are claiming,
right?
So one the first one is thefootage looks synthetic.
Uh people are claiming that thevideos look AI generated, um,
(12:32):
his facial movements and timingare off.
SPEAKER_02 (12:34):
Um Yeah, that's that's one thing.
There's there's videos onYouTube.
There's I think two, maybe threetops of some of his
performances.
There's one that's a commercialfor some soda called Schweppes,
and the other is his BobMonkhouse performance.
SPEAKER_00 (12:50):
Exactly.
Um, so yeah, a lot of this a lotof the videos that we do have
are fairly similar in like theirum like what's going on, I want
to say for the most part.
Well, there's the song, which isa little different, uh, but the
main video that you're gonna seelike over and over is his like
little stand-up bit that's uh onthe monk house or whatever his
(13:12):
name is.
Um, but this is where most ofthe claims are coming from.
Um again, people are likediscussing how uncanny this
guy's eyes look.
Um, that the the you see somejittery motions and some weird
pauses and like just littleartifacts that people think are
like AI uh generated, right?
(13:34):
Um there's a lot of differentclaims.
So if you want to stop and talkabout each claim as we go, we
can, or I can just keep goingthrough them.
SPEAKER_02 (13:43):
Uh one thing I I want to bring up is the fact
that um not only are thesevideos a little suspicious, but
like the the dates that they'vebeen uploaded and whatnot can be
a little suspicious, and theWikipedia article that Matt read
off itself is as well.
SPEAKER_00 (14:01):
So these are things I was gonna bring up as well.
Okay, go by all means go for it.
So the next weirdness that Ihave is the metadata archive
weirdness.
Um so people are saying I'mfinding videos that weren't here
a few days ago that aresupposedly like months or years
old now.
Um we're getting like fudgedcomments on videos that weren't
(14:24):
there one day and then now areshowing that they've been there
for a year or and stuff likethat.
SPEAKER_06 (14:29):
That is the thing of all of this, I think, that has
the most basis because there isa video on YouTube where a guy
does a screen recording andshows that when he refreshes the
page, new comments with olddates appear.
SPEAKER_00 (14:43):
Which yeah, it there's a lot of it happening
too, like throughout this wholething.
Um, and then what Mike wassaying, uh, there's a a
Wikipedia article that did notexist during the time of this
4chan, like the first 4chanpost, but then three hours later
(15:04):
now does exist.
Yeah, um, it's pretty weird.
Um uh some of the other claims,uh, people did a lot of digging
into this guy, and of course,there's really not much to be
dug, unfortunately.
But uh what was found is therereally aren't any old newspaper
clippings, posters, or like TVlistings that even though he had
(15:28):
claimed to do these big shows,um, they don't like refute.
There's no evidence of that.
Like, even if I think someoneactually found um like a British
TV listing of when um he wassupposed to be on that show, but
it the show does not it does notclaim that he was on it that at
that time.
So um that's a big one.
(15:50):
Um some of the less like lesserreputable things that people are
saying is he looks and behavesdemonic, which is kind of like
alright, whatever.
They're they're like, oh, buthis catchphrase is spook or
slither hither, and it's youknow, yeah, I've got a clip of
of this thing that somebodyposted on 4chan.
SPEAKER_06 (16:12):
You want me to explain it?
SPEAKER_03 (16:15):
Yeah, I would love that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (16:16):
Okay.
So somebody posted a thing on4chan that is like a infographic
that they made of why Roy J isdemonic.
And so um a lot of this tiesinto like new pop culture.
Some of it obviously gets intoIsrael because of course it
(16:40):
fucking does.
But the biggest thing that theyhinge on is his pajama pants and
how the striped pajamas is astereotype for when showing uh
somebody that's readying bed,readying for bed or sleep, but
it's actually extremely occulticand has a spiritual meaning
(17:01):
behind it.
Um so Roy J, and pictured theleft in this infographic that
I'm describing, was a BritishNorwegian stand-up comedian.
He wasn't anything crazycompared to other comedians
except that he wore a prisonuniform during his stand-up gigs
and used the phrases slitherhither in his spook.
But a bit odd, but nothing tooweird or out of the ordinary for
entertainers.
But here's where it gets weird.
Some of the information on thisman is a bit contradictory.
(17:23):
Most would say that he was bornin 1948 and died in 2007, but
that's what his Wikipediaarticle says.
Some remember him being born in28 and dying in 92.
It seems to be a classic exampleof the Mandela effect.
Um, why is this important?
Let's think about what theprison uniform looks like
compared to pajamas, bothstriped shirts and pants using
vertical lines, stripes, andblue with white in color, some
(17:44):
overall design, possiblysignifying them representing the
same meaning.
Sleeping slash dreaming equalsbeing in prison, or the world is
a dream that we must break outof, or something to that effect
of escaping a fake dream likereality, very occult in nature.
Two different Wikipedia articleshave also been recently spotted,
something unusual, even for theMandela effect cases.
(18:05):
Now, this is where we get intoRick and Morty.
So there are actually someexamples of this phenomenon, but
going back to the stripes, um,one directly relating to Roy J
himself in the adult swim showRick and Morty.
The obvious example is thecharacter Sleepy Gary in the
episode Total Rick All.
(18:25):
Total Rick All.
He's one of many parasites thatpass themselves off as a normal
person within the lives of thosearound them, painting false but
pleasant memories in their hostto create good fill feelings in
order to feed off of.
So here we have a pajama mancharacter who literally
gaslights you into believing afalse reality that you
retroactively think is true, butis actually something else very
(18:47):
sinister in disguise.
Rick and his family have to killthese parasites in order to end
the false reality that they'rebeing fed, and thus believe that
they are like a they believingthey are in like the idea of
when you die you wake up fromthe dream.
Example two.
SPEAKER_00 (19:01):
And the episode I like how uh sorry, I like how
those are called what do you godo you go into uh SPCG?
SPCG solar plexus clown gliders.
SPEAKER_03 (19:17):
Oh hell yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:18):
No, I'll go into that.
Don't worry.
SPEAKER_02 (19:20):
Um keep going.
I'll I'll get into that.
I just enjoy how they attachedRick and Morty to being this
whole conspiracy about like thesleepy Gary being a conspiracy
character because he's inpajamas, but like that whole
episode has Mr.
Poopy Butthole and Hammerai andlike Mr.
(19:40):
Pencil Man or Pencil Vester orwhatever.
It's just a room full of roomfull of weirdos, and they're
like, no, the man in thepajamas, that's that's up to
something.
SPEAKER_06 (19:50):
Example two.
In the episode Morty Night Run,Rick and Morty go to an arcade
and play an advanced VR lifesimulator game called Roy, where
you live out the life of a mannamed Roy until he dies in-game.
This is one of my favoriteepisodes of Rick and Morty.
The simulator is so realisticthat upon first playing it,
Morty had to readjust hisreality after playing because he
forgot what was actually real.
(20:10):
There's a character called Royrepresenting a false reality in
which you feel disoriented uponexiting the game, like waking up
from a dream.
Roy actually turns returns in alater episode where the game is
accidentally powered down whileMorty is playing, causing his
mind to fracture into all theNPCs in the game, making him a
hive mind amongst Roy, who istaken over by Rick in an attempt
(20:32):
to save Morty's mind from beinglost.
The billions of parts of Morty'smind then form a sort of
religion to convince his otherparts to join Roy to uh become
part of the game and return tothe real world again.
Some some of this is like fuckedup, so there's text missing
here.
But anyway, we get that idea oflike the dreamlike state.
(20:52):
Now going back to the stripes,apparently the blue and white
stripes are a pattern found inancient Egypt, which the occult
slash freemas Freemasonsvenerate heavily.
The blue and white color schemeis even found on the Israeli
flag.
SPEAKER_03 (21:06):
We got him, we got 'em.
We got 'em.
SPEAKER_06 (21:09):
Although usually black and white in this case
represent the spirit realm aswell, as that is what most
people say it looks like whenvisiting on psychedelics, a
field of jagged black and whitestripes or static.
People of obscure indigenouscultures, such as the something
I can't pronounce, people evenpaint themselves striped to
attract ancestor spirits, asthey call them.
(21:31):
It is most often black andwhite, but red and white is
common as well.
Finally, we see that both thewords pajama and jailbreak equal
33 and 66 in gemetria?
Gematria using differentciphers.
For those who are unaware,Masons use gematria to place and
decode messages in everythingthey're involved in, usually
(21:53):
using specific numbers such as33, 666, and 322, among others.
There's also some ties to themovie The Boy in the Striped
Pajamas, which I can go intothat if you want me to as well.
SPEAKER_02 (22:07):
I should ask my local Mason Lodge, hey, what's
up with this?
See if they have any answers.
You know anything about Roy J?
SPEAKER_06 (22:13):
And then it disappeared forever.
SPEAKER_02 (22:17):
Yeah, it the conspiracy is no never ending
with Roy J.
SPEAKER_00 (22:22):
Well, that's that's why I brought up that other
thing.
Because so if you're notfamiliar with what a solar
plexus clown glider is, um it isthe collective name given to a
broad range of paranormalphenomena attributed to a
corruptive entity which infectsweak and vulnerable people
through their solar plexuschakra, uh, originally used by
(22:43):
A's New Age practitioners.
Um, this was linked to ahorror-themed email affordable
in the late 90s, which claimedthat simply by reading or
hearing the words solar plexusclown glider made one
susceptible to the infection.
And basically, uh because it'sall online and it's like jumping
from you know social to social.
(23:05):
Uh, they're saying that it's asolar plexus clown glider just
making its way through umreality.
SPEAKER_02 (23:11):
You could say social media is a virus, dude.
SPEAKER_00 (23:17):
Bringing up the big issues.
Um yeah, I mean, realisticallyyou could, but uh yeah, I just I
saw that in uh in one of thevideos I was watching about him
that fucking someone called hima solar plexus clown glider, and
I was like, what the fuck isthat?
SPEAKER_06 (23:34):
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
So so I was looking at thisinfographic that I was reading
earlier.
I hadn't read all of this.
Okay, so to summarize theconnection to the boy in the
striped pajamas, they it's can'tget away from that right now.
It is um something aboutHolocaust victims.
(23:57):
Anyway, underneath that, forsome reason, the rainbow is
related to this somewhat.
Um something about LGBT sodomy,blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah.
Now, the rainbow.
What order those colors be in?
Do you do you remember?
Roy Gibb Roy G biv.
(24:18):
Roy, he's right there.
He's right there.
SPEAKER_03 (24:20):
Oh my god.
This goes all the way to thetop.
SPEAKER_02 (24:24):
That's nuts.
SPEAKER_00 (24:25):
He's gonna be able to sleep tonight.
SPEAKER_02 (24:27):
He's gonna infect your dream.
SPEAKER_00 (24:29):
I will say, so Doug, did you have more of the weird?
I do.
I have more, I have even morestuff that people pointed out.
So the next one is voiceinconsistency theory.
All right.
Most of the claims are sayingthat sometimes he's sounds
British and sometimes he doesn'tsound like he's British, and
then um, and one of the mainthings that people were saying
(24:50):
is that his voice sounds like amush or mixture of like other
comedians.
SPEAKER_06 (24:56):
Weird how he sounds exactly like Robin Williams,
though.
SPEAKER_02 (25:01):
I didn't hear it.
I heard the audio bit.
I didn't hear it.
SPEAKER_06 (25:04):
I made that connection before I even watched
that video.
SPEAKER_00 (25:08):
I I I truly I didn't I didn't I saw the like the
comparison video and it itdidn't I just click I didn't
hear him in that.
SPEAKER_06 (25:16):
I think that comparison video isn't even the
best comparison.
When I was just watching hisperformances before I even saw
that comparison, I was like, hesounds like Robin Williams.
SPEAKER_02 (25:24):
There is, yeah, we're we're referencing so
there's a video called 4chanStrange's Mystery, Roy J the
Comedian Who Doesn't Exist byCoop.
Um, did very a very good diveinto this thing, but there's a
lot of stuff they bring up.
Yeah, and there's a lot of stuffin this that I can, in my
opinion, is easily explainedaway.
Right.
Easily explain awayable.
(25:46):
Um, where he's just like, no,he's he's a demon because his
voice is funny.
But yeah, he's a cremedian inthe 80s on Coke.
SPEAKER_06 (25:53):
Yeah, he's even like one of his biggest things is
like, oh, they called thefucking crematorium where he was
allegedly cremated.
And I know you have a thingabout that, but he was like, Oh,
the crematorium said thatthere's nobody named Roy J that
was cremated there.
But that's not it, that's nothis real fucking name.
Yeah, it's just they're notgonna take him, you know.
(26:13):
They're not gonna take MarilynManson to the fucking
crematorium and be like, yeah,this is Marilyn Manson.
Cremate him and put that on hishead's his tombstone.
SPEAKER_00 (26:21):
Exactly.
Steve Williams.
Um, what else do you got, Doug?
Uh the other one, there's twomore that I have.
One is just like very obvious,like people were just making
fake.
SPEAKER_06 (26:34):
I guess there'd be no headstone if it was a
crematorium, sorry anyway.
Please continue.
SPEAKER_00 (26:38):
Yeah, he's in a fucking bucket.
Um bucket.
He's in a bucket because he's acomedian.
SPEAKER_03 (26:46):
Um so this one's just self-explanatory.
Do you think all when comediansdie, they just go and they just
end up in a bucket all the time?
SPEAKER_06 (26:54):
Yeah, that's why they call it kicking the bucket,
dude.
What the fuck?
SPEAKER_00 (26:57):
Oh yeah, they put all the funny bones into the
bucket.
Zing! Let's go.
I'm back at it, baby.
Um we needed this after UrbanSpook.
Yeah, seriously.
Um, but the other thing uh,which I again I think I already
started saying this, but uhpeople were just making shit up.
(27:19):
Like people were fully makingfake videos or photos, um,
screen caps and stuff, and itmade an actual trail uh back to
the original post and to realinfo very muddied in between,
um, because the internet lovesto do that shit.
So that one doesn't reallywarrant a whole lot of
discussion, it's just it is whatit is.
(27:40):
Um and then uh someone claimsthat they think this is an ARG.
Um they said that it's analternate reality game uh or
Psyop to show how an AI canrewrite history.
Uh it's to test how fast uh theculture cultural memory
propagates.
(28:00):
Um basically uh this was showingup on a bunch of like conspiracy
forums.
Um so that that was one that wasthe last theory I had.
SPEAKER_06 (28:10):
So to summarize, basically what people are saying
is either this is a demonrewriting itself into history
for some reason, or the othermore prominent theory that I've
seen in the one that is in thatvideo we were talking about is
that some sort of AI isrewriting parts of the internet
to include this guy in opculture history for no reason.
SPEAKER_00 (28:32):
Yeah, because here's the weird thing with it too.
I did you see the thing aboutthe like rogue AI thing?
SPEAKER_06 (28:40):
The thing about the rogue AI basically that there's
like an AI that has accidentallybeen let loose and it's yeah
yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (28:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (28:50):
So here here's here's one of the things too
with this.
So um I I believe, I believe inthe um in the uh the the Coop
video, he he references to thethe there's there's a video by a
uh a user on YouTube named DoomBasher in 1971.
(29:12):
And they they're the ones thatuploaded the original Roy Spook
uh performance on the BobMonkhouse show in 1983.
In Coop's video, he's like, Oh,that video, the the date was
changed, so it predated it tobeing posted 11 years ago.
I don't think that was the case.
I just don't think people foundthis until recently because Roy
(29:33):
J wasn't on the radar.
Because if you go toDunebasher's account, it looks
like they just kind of upload abunch of stuff from older like
it's it's got over 150 videos,and most of them are old uploads
from it's kind of like they'retrying to retain all this old
media because it's all shit fromlike the eighties and nineties.
So I'm not surprised.
SPEAKER_00 (29:54):
Were you saying they were just like uploading like
random footage they had foundand stuff?
SPEAKER_02 (29:58):
Yeah, it's just random bits from shit.
TV shows and music videos andlike cart commercials, things
like that.
SPEAKER_00 (30:04):
From I wonder if they're like grabbing like VHSs
from like that's what I'msaying.
Yeah, this is just such a weirdthing to have, though.
SPEAKER_02 (30:11):
I think it is in the grand scheme of things on
YouTube, over a billion hoursare uploaded a day.
Is this really it the in thegrand scheme of things?
Is this that weird?
Is this some guy archiving likeDoug said?
If he's just finding randomVHSs, he's just one trying to
archive them.
You're like you, you're I'm lostmedia boy now.
Wouldn't you be so happy to finda channel like this archiving
lost potential lost media?
SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
No, yeah, you're just you know right, I guess
there are people that do that.
I was actually I was thinkingabout this the other day.
I was like, man, if I go like doa garage sale and I just like
find a stack of like someone'sVHS, like I would for sure just
like pop copy them over tofucking DVD or whatever, you
know, digitize it and then likeeasy YouTube channel, like bam.
SPEAKER_02 (30:52):
I found a stack of um I found a stack at my
parents' house of and it's it'sgot real old obscure cartoons,
and I have no one of them isfucked up looking.
I really want to find a way tocopy it onto a computer.
I'd have no idea how to do that,but I really want to find a way
how because it is weird.
I really want to show you guysthat thing someday.
SPEAKER_00 (31:13):
Um you gotta find one of those DVD slash VHS uh
that's what they have recorders.
SPEAKER_06 (31:19):
Does that I mean you really need to need a VCR and a
capture card.
SPEAKER_00 (31:24):
Yeah, that that that's fair.
That's hypergraphic that makesit a lot easier, actually.
But yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (31:30):
Um but uh another thing that I wanted to bring up
too.
Uh we talk about like one of theone of the things that he was
saying, the the Coops guy andsome people online, they're
like, oh, you know, he did a hedid a commercial for Schwepps,
and uh, you know, a lot ofpeople they'll think of
Schweppes and they're like, oh,I don't remember that commercial
from back then.
(31:51):
I mean, yeah, I don't rememberevery Coca-Cola commercial from
1992 or 1995.
You know what I mean?
Like, you're not gonna rememberall the commercials.
There's some that stick withyou, obviously, because of
nostalgia, but you're not gonnaremember every commercial.
Yeah, every brand.
SPEAKER_06 (32:05):
One of the points that guy makes in the video is
like he he contacts somebodyfrom England and is like, hey,
yeah, or from the UK, and islike, hey, do you remember this?
Have you ever seen this guy?
Does any of your family rememberthis guy?
And everybody's like, no.
But I mean, think about it.
Every I don't remember everycomedian I've seen on like a
late night special on ComedyCentral.
SPEAKER_02 (32:26):
Though the the big thing that does grab me though,
is like Doug said, there is thatlike British TV guide that shows
the Bob Monkhouse show, and RoyJ is not referenced there at
all, which is very odd.
Now, maybe I don't have areference point.
Maybe they just maybe that showjust was not doing that because
they don't show any other ofthat show's the the Bob
(32:49):
Monkhouse, they don't show anyother of those listings from
that TV guide.
So, for all we know, that Bob MBob Monkhouse show just never
posted the the performances onthat TV guide.
Well, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_06 (33:01):
Like I maybe I'm wrong about this, but I assume
TV guides with like SNL on themdon't have the musical guests
listed.
SPEAKER_02 (33:10):
I don't know.
That's what I'm saying.
Maybe they just don't.
SPEAKER_00 (33:12):
Who's to say?
Um, yeah, I I I don't know.
I I'm gonna be honest with you.
I haven't thought or even lookedat a TV guide in fucking ages,
you know what I'm saying?
And like when when you had a TVguide, you think they were
always accurate, like 100% ofthe stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (33:30):
Yeah, I'm sure things changed for some one
reason or another, and likesports runs over or something or
right where things I get I guessbefore I get too much deeper
into it, some like into becauseI wanna before we I before I
start talking about like mequote unquote debunking a bunch
of this stuff, I do want to dothat after we're done with the
initial discussion.
(33:51):
Um but like another thing, likeI mentioned before with this
Dune Bashers, they they theyposted this was apparently 11
years ago when they posted thisvideo, and the biggest strange
part of it is people arenoticing these weird like AI
artifacts, like what you werementioning, Doug, where like the
eyes go kind of weird, the facedoesn't meld properly.
(34:12):
Um there's in one very quickflash, you see like a sixth
finger on his hand.
Um so there are these like weirdAI-esque things populating in
this video from 11 years agowhen AI just was not a thing.
SPEAKER_06 (34:28):
Wait, which video is this, though?
Is this the Doom Basher?
The Doom Basher one?
Because I've watched this and Idon't know if I can I don't know
that I can see this.
SPEAKER_02 (34:36):
I mean it's a two fucking 240p video, so that
yeah, but here's the thing thethe other conspiracy is that
it's not from 11 years ago, andthat the this demon, this AI or
whatever, made this video looklow quality on purpose to try to
trick your brain.
SPEAKER_05 (34:56):
Are you picking up on me now?
SPEAKER_06 (34:58):
Well, but it is legitimately a 240p video, so
you it's gonna be compressed.
So, like a lot of this stuff isgonna be like artifacts from
compression.
It's artifacts from compressionwhat's going on.
SPEAKER_02 (35:08):
I think, I mean, I didn't I don't want to talk
about it yet, but I think it's alot of it is artifacts from
compression, and also I'm like95% sure YouTube's got some form
of like AI upscaling, AI high uhyeah, AI upscaling that's
affecting this video.
Um and I I'm I'm prettyconfident that's what's
happening.
If you look at the video thatCoop puts out, the way he's
(35:29):
talking about it and the theclips that he shows, it does
look like it's just like an AItrying to keep up with what's
going on on screen.
SPEAKER_00 (35:36):
Have we have we looked at any other videos of
just the Bob Monkhouse show withsomeone else?
I maybe it maybe it looks likethe stage, maybe it looks
similar.
SPEAKER_02 (35:48):
Like I saw I saw a small clip, and this the stage
actually does look different.
It's a different stage, butthat's not too weird.
SPEAKER_00 (35:56):
SNL they change up their stage all the time for
whenever I just say maybe we canwe can see like because the way
it looks in that in the the DuneBasher video is like clearly
he's just like in like a stagewith like a full band behind it.
I can't imagine they change thatup too much, right?
Right, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (36:15):
Um yeah, no, the the stage does look different.
Um it's the same concept of anoutline, but like um the design
is way different for this likesmall clip I saw from the the
the show.
SPEAKER_00 (36:27):
The the one thing I do want to say just about this
video in general is that like nothere's no inkling for me,
although again it could beedited.
SPEAKER_06 (36:35):
I don't obviously I don't know for sure, but like uh
here's a a clip of the BobMonkhouse show from a different
episode, and then the stagesetup looks identical.
SPEAKER_00 (36:45):
Okay, perfect.
So that leads me to believe it.
That looks very so that beingsaid, I feel like it's really
like AI is good, but I feel likeit doesn't do that.
Like I think there's bits of AIthat make it hard for me to be
like, yeah, hey, I when I sawthis video, I didn't nothing
screamed AI to me.
Yeah, he's got weird eyes, Iguess, but like the thing that I
(37:07):
look for when I'm trying todetermine if things are AI, I
didn't really get any of those.
SPEAKER_06 (37:11):
Yeah, usually there was like the weight of the
thing, the subject or of theperson or whatever is wrong,
like they're floating too much,or like you know, yeah, and this
this guy's eyes are movingaround a lot, and I feel like AI
doesn't do that.
SPEAKER_00 (37:22):
They're like they give you that dead stare thing.
SPEAKER_02 (37:25):
Yeah, and another thing too, no, it well, so when
we first brought this up, um wefirst brought this up, we were
all kind of just kind of tryingto do a quick, you know,
hypothesis of what it could be.
And I know, Matt, I know at onepoint you said some of these
things look like they're AI, butto me, the dead giveaway that
this is not AI, and I knew fromimmediately that's not, is just
(37:49):
like the camera angle.
AI will whenever you watch AIvideos, you can tell it's AI by
the way the fake camera moves.
The way that is, but like theway the fake camera moves, it's
either the the the point ofinterest is dead center, or it's
one person here, one personhere.
(38:10):
It doesn't move much unless it'sin that like selfie camera-esque
position, because that's justwhat it's trained on.
This is an actual camera movingaround, it's taking different
angles, it's taking differentturns.
AI videos just don't do that,they're not at that level yet.
The like AI footage looks like adrone hovering.
You can tell this is not a dronehovering, this is from a legit
(38:33):
camera source.
SPEAKER_00 (38:34):
You can tell someone's manning the camera,
yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (38:37):
Yeah, and but but to play devil's advocate, you can
absolutely a hundred percentreplicate this sort of camera
movement on a static shot inlike Da Vinci Resolve.
SPEAKER_02 (38:47):
You can, yeah, it's easy to do.
SPEAKER_06 (38:48):
But not with but an AI generating a put in an AI if
you took an AI video and thenedited it yourself, you could
very convincingly recreate thiseffect.
SPEAKER_02 (38:58):
Sure, sure.
Yeah, but that involves people,that involves a person editing
and whatnot, where the theory onthis is that it's an AI golden
robe or some demon slippingitself into its brain.
SPEAKER_06 (39:09):
Um I I think I think to Doug's point, Doug has the
biggest point for why I thisprobably isn't AI generated,
which is this other thing that Ijust found, which is Tommy
Cooper on the Bob Monkow show in1983.
There's no way any AI has beentrained on enough footage from
the Bob Munkow show in 1983specifically to be able to
convincingly recreate thisstage.
SPEAKER_02 (39:30):
100%.
And you gotta look at you gottalook at the background things
too.
Like the band is in thebackground, you see them
playing.
And AI is not gonna hasn't, likeyou said, has not trained itself
on enough footage.
SPEAKER_06 (39:42):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (39:43):
Yeah.
Something that I did find weirdthough.
So in that video and in the umin that video, they referenced
to an article, the thecomedy.co.uk article.
Um, and they're like, oh yeah,like it's even like
retroactively publishing thesearticles on him.
Um, and they have to sayretroactively to keep the story
(40:05):
going.
It actually, before I okay, hangon.
So so what's weird about thisarticle?
Because I don't want to I don'twant to poo-poo on it because I
like the idea.
SPEAKER_06 (40:14):
No, no, no, but I I do have another theory that that
was introduced that I don'tthink we've debunked yet.
SPEAKER_02 (40:21):
Okay.
Well, so something that I thinkdoes you can go I I'm almost
done here, but something that Ithink does add to this
potentially being some eitherrogue AI or demon that's writing
itself in.
This article was quote unquotepublished uh September 22nd,
2024.
But the writer is by a GrahamMcCann, who if you click on the
(40:45):
name to view more of theirwritings and everything, it says
that they're an English author,and everything on here is
basically blank.
It says uh their bio for thissite is blank.
It's Graham McCann is just anEnglish author, that's all it
says.
And it gives credits for thingsthat it's that they've done.
Um from 2002 to 2022, it givesyou all these credits, but this
(41:07):
article is not referenced inthat.
SPEAKER_06 (41:10):
He also doesn't, and correct me if I'm wrong, in that
article, explain where he gotany of the information.
SPEAKER_02 (41:19):
No, no, he does not.
Um, the the Wikipedia does usereferences, but those references
themselves also are kind of meh.
SPEAKER_06 (41:28):
Yeah, I went through and clicked on those, and I
couldn't find a single thingwhere I was like, this is
indisputable evidence thatnothing sticks really.
So yeah, you you get thesearticles.co.uk, but the thing
about that article is thatarticle has no references that
say where the information camefrom.
SPEAKER_02 (41:46):
Exactly.
So it it's it's very strange.
And and there's like I don'teven know how to I don't even
know what how to what what tohow to describe it, but like the
article itself has a bunch ofold photos of like Roy J from
back in like the 70s andwhatnot, and some of his earlier
performances.
So we get a lot more images ofRoy J from this, but something
(42:10):
that's that kind of irks me alittle bit with it is like I
don't know, it's it's I can'tdescribe it, but like the the
the pictures look genuine, butthe article itself gives off
vibes that it like you said,there's no references to it,
there's no um uh there's nothingthat shows that any of this is
(42:33):
real.
So is this just somethingsomeone made up?
SPEAKER_06 (42:35):
They just found pictures of Roy J and was like,
yeah, let's see, that's thething, that's the theory that I
was that I was mentioning, isthat the reality, and this is I
find this somewhat believable,is that the truth is actually a
hybrid in that Roy J actuallyexisted and actually was a
comedian from this era, but therest of the information that has
(42:58):
been posted online about him wascompletely made up.
As in, I so either an AI foundthis found Roy J and references
to him and then made up abackstory and then started
writing it in, or someoneopportunistically discovered
this comedian and then used thefoot reused the footage and
images to make up a backstoryabout a person who never
(43:20):
existed.
SPEAKER_02 (43:22):
That's a good idea.
SPEAKER_00 (43:25):
I like that.
So I was trying to get I wastrying to have Chat GPT create a
character.
No, I was trying to have ChatGPTspill the beans that they're
helping cover up the truth onthis.
And it's just led me in acircle.
I was like, how do I know you'renot just like giving me this
(43:46):
information to cover for therogue AI that's tampering with
the truth?
And I'm just getting some likebullshit answers.
I think they have like a veryspecific thing to say when
people start being like, you'refucking with me.
Um so I thought I'd get fun outof that, but it didn't, it
didn't happen.
I was just I literally I waslike, I was like, uh, how do I
(44:07):
know you as an AI aren't a partof rewriting our history?
And they're like, I can't, Iwouldn't be able to, I can't
edit or you know, alter websitesor records or anything like
that.
And I'm like, okay, well, maybeyou're not changing anything
yourself, but with theinformation you're giving out,
you're helping protect the rogueAI that is doing all of this.
(44:28):
And then there's like she theysaid that's a reasonable worry.
Oh, she's um I was like, oh,okay.
Um, but then they're like,here's a short safe plan you can
follow to help you not worryabout this.
And I was like, that's stupid.
SPEAKER_06 (44:43):
So you're not gonna tell us the stream.
unknown (44:48):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (44:49):
Should just be like, tell tell me, tell me
everything.
SPEAKER_02 (44:52):
Tell me everything about him.
Um I guess I have a lot more Iwant to say, but real fast,
let's just get into our thoughtson this whole thing.
Because I I have a lot I want tosay, and I want to go into it
after uh real or fake type ofnote here.
So boys, I'm gonna say, is thisinstead of real or fake, I'm
(45:15):
gonna say real boy, demon, orAI?
SPEAKER_00 (45:20):
I think we can lump demon AI into one category.
Alright, so is it is he real orrobot?
SPEAKER_02 (45:28):
I'm gonna say real man, and I have a lot more to
talk about, but I want to hearwhat you guys have to say first.
SPEAKER_06 (45:35):
I think I think the scenario that I laid out is
plausible that he was a realindividual that no information
existed about, and then eithersomeone or an AI wrote the
backstory.
SPEAKER_00 (45:48):
I I would have to agree with Matt.
I think that is the most logicalthing from the information that
I've been able to find.
And I think I don't have okay,so I think I think he was a real
person.
I just don't think I have themeans or any way of finding any
sort of truth beyond that.
(46:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (46:11):
We are Roy J agnostics.
We believe we believe Jesus wasa real guy, but we we're unsure
if he was the son of God.
The same way that we believe RoyJ was a real guy, but we are we
are unsure whether he is the RoyJ who has been presented before
us today.
SPEAKER_02 (46:28):
Exactly.
Exactly what it is.
Yeah, I like that.
So I'm gonna drop something inthe links for Matt real quick.
Let me let me get rid of thesefor you real fast.
I'm gonna drop a couple thingsin here for you, bud.
First and foremost, there'sthat.
SPEAKER_00 (46:44):
You shake your pants, buddy.
SPEAKER_02 (46:46):
Oh god, I feel like it.
Feeling like it.
Um there's that.
And then I'm also gonna dropyou.
Where did you put this?
It's in the links, link listformat.
There's one, don't open it yet.
Okay, let me get them all.
Let me get me ready.
Because I have a whole thing.
I'm about to go into a fuckingdissertation.
Oh god.
(47:06):
No, because I don't want you to.
SPEAKER_00 (47:10):
I'm about to disassociate.
I'll be back in a bit.
SPEAKER_02 (47:12):
No way.
Um there's that one.
There is hang on, I'm gettingit.
Oh god, I'm so glad I found allthis.
SPEAKER_06 (47:22):
I literally only see one link in this document.
SPEAKER_02 (47:24):
Yeah, I'm putting the other one.
Give me a fucking second.
SPEAKER_06 (47:27):
Fucking Christ, Michael.
SPEAKER_01 (47:28):
Well, my fucking thing.
I'm an old boomer.
I'm a boomer.
When it comes to the technology,why don't you do this ahead of
time?
SPEAKER_02 (47:34):
Yeah, come on, man.
Prepare.
I didn't think to do that.
I didn't think to prepare.
Okay, let me give you this one.
Alright, I'll just give you two.
Fuck it.
We'll be good with that.
So there's that one, and there'sthis one.
So I want you to go ahead and Iwant you to open up that first
one.
That first one will link it to aReddit thread where people talk
about Roy J.
First and foremost.
(47:54):
I think Roy J was just a failedcomedian.
I think he had his five minutesin fame.
Um, and a lot of people in thisReddit thread that I found are
saying basically the same thing.
There's a lot of people in here,and and to top off the
credibility here, I have lookedup a lot of the Reddit users in
here, and I've seen a hugeposting um history on a bunch of
different threads, and they'reall very unique, and they f they
(48:17):
they they seem like they're realpeople.
So I feel like these are realpeople.
But a lot of these people aresaying, yeah, I remember him.
He had a uh a quick stunt in thein the 80s, he has five minutes
of fame, but his whole problemwas he had he was a one-trick
pony.
He did the whole slitter spookthing, it was really funny, but
then he never changed up his hisroutine, it got stale, and he
just kind of went intonowhere'sville.
(48:39):
He just he just fell off.
No one cared about him afterafter you know a couple months
here.
Um that seems to be like therecurring uh uh trend here, um,
is that he was he was relativelypopular in England at the time.
He never uh got past doing thewhole Slither thing, and he just
(48:59):
could never get that uminternational fame.
He was basically just stuckbeing a uh England uh uh UK
known comedian.
Um like you were saying before,he struggled with alcoholism and
all that stuff, and he just kindof fell off.
The whole revealing his dong toa bunch of families didn't help,
and so that just blasted himinto obscurity as well.
(49:21):
Uh another thing that I feeladds to this is that the
original 4chan post was fromthis year, 2025.
People are like, oh, well,fucking, he's just retroactively
putting himself in.
There's a Google Trends uh uhlink that you could find.
(49:42):
Here it is for you too, buddy,where people have actually been
talking about Roy J for quitesome times.
I just put the Google Trendslink in the link list for you as
well.
Um, they've been talking abouthim for a while, like they've
brought up Roy J.
in 205 2016.
He actually had a huge spike in2016, and some of the comments
was even before that one waseven like, oh yeah, he comes up
(50:02):
every couple years, people talkabout him, they bring him up
because it's a nostalgia thing.
They're like, Oh, yeah, Iremember that.
That was kind of funny, and thenit fades back into obscurity.
Someone even made the commentit's funny that he just makes
the rounds every couple of yearson the internet, and people
think he's some demon when he'sjust some washed up comedian
from the 80s.
Um, but yeah, like if you lookat the trends, like 2016, he was
(50:24):
he he spiked huge spike back in2004.
There's a spike, like he he'sconstantly being talked about.
There, it's almost never flat.
There's some sort of constantbuzz about Roy J at any given
point online.
SPEAKER_06 (50:38):
That's what they want you to think, Michael.
They're changing the searchresults.
There's Lord's changing thesearch results.
SPEAKER_02 (50:46):
Um another thing, they're changing the results.
Another thing that I want tobring bring up, I posted this in
the link chat for you if youwant to put it on screen too.
Um, I went to findagrave.comwhere you can find the graves of
people um all over the fuckingplace, and I found a link to
him, and I found a link to hisspouse, and I found where his
spouse was buried.
So if he was just some fuckinguh uh generic AI demon thing,
(51:11):
why would this AI thing go tothe extent of creating a wife
and then creating a grave sitefor his wife?
And I even know where she'sburied.
I found the address for thefucking place, the cemetery
she's buried at.
Like, you can just find her.
Like, this is all publicinformation.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_06 (51:30):
Roy Emory Roy J.
J.
Jorgensen.
SPEAKER_02 (51:33):
Yep, and and the curator for it on his site and
on or on his wife's site, thereis a curator that has a curator
ID number, and this guy hasworked with Find a Grave for
years, and he has a history ofdoing all this stuff.
Uh, it's all certified, it's allon this guy's ID number.
SPEAKER_06 (51:51):
But it does say created by Mike Mac added
October 8th, 2024, Michael.
This page didn't exist untilOctober 8th, 2024, which is
after this whole thing started.
SPEAKER_02 (52:01):
For for Roy J, correct?
SPEAKER_06 (52:02):
Correct.
SPEAKER_02 (52:03):
Go to his wife's.
SPEAKER_06 (52:05):
How are we sure?
SPEAKER_02 (52:07):
Why would his wife's be in acting?
SPEAKER_06 (52:09):
December 13th, 2014.
Damn.
SPEAKER_02 (52:14):
Roy J's he was cremated, even posts that in
there.
SPEAKER_06 (52:17):
So I think she's buried in South Dakota, though.
SPEAKER_02 (52:21):
She might have been born there.
How do we know?
Because he died in Spain, butthat doesn't mean they they were
native to Spain.
SPEAKER_06 (52:29):
But he's got his entire career in the UK.
SPEAKER_02 (52:32):
Why would Because his wife might have been from
North Carolina and wanted to beburied with family.
South Dakota.
Your South Dakota, yeah, andwant to be buried family.
That's not too out of theordinary.
My grandmother died in Oswego.
She was buried fucking an hourand a half away because that's
her family plot.
Yeah.
That's just how it is.
Um, I and I just think he wasjust some guy.
(52:54):
I really I really just think hewas some dude that just fell off
in obscurity, and uh theinternet just brings him up
every now and then.
I I really I really do thinkthat's all it was.
I don't think there's much onhim because he was around during
the 80s, and uh, I don't thinkanyone cared enough to really do
a deep dive interview with thisguy.
I mean, it's the same as umDoug, you might I mean you
(53:16):
you'll probably know about this.
Uh Pee-wee, Pee-wee Herman.
Um, there was that documentarythat came out um about him, and
it was the first realdocumentary where he talked
about being Pee Wee Hermanbecause he liked to separate his
personal life from his hisacting life.
He kept very good fucking what'swhat's his name?
I'm I I forgot his name, theactor.
Paul Rubens.
Paul Rubens, yeah.
(53:38):
He kept all his private life, hekept his private life secret
from everyone.
No one knew what was going onwith Paul Rubin.
No one knew what was going onever.
He kept that shit away.
So it's not out of the ordinarythat if Roy J did the same
thing, there would just be noinformation on him because he
never cared to bring thatinformation out into light.
SPEAKER_06 (53:56):
We send him flowers.
So, how did they get all theinformation about his career for
the comedy article?
SPEAKER_02 (54:02):
For all we know, the the for all we know, this guy
went to a family member and justfound as much information as we
could.
You're right.
That is a little sus that wethere's no references to it or
there's no um information aboutwhere this person got their
information.
I do agree that's a little weirdand suspicious.
But again, it's one of thosethings where like I mean, i in
(54:26):
in 50 years from now, there'sthere's there's there's a small
possibility that there's gonnabe an I there's gonna be a
Wikipedia page about us.
But are they how are they gonnaget the information about us?
You know what I mean?
Just looking at episodes here.
This is the 80s.
If if he didn't do that manyepisodes of any TV shows or
anything, there's not gonna beany TV shows to reference.
(54:47):
The only thing the reference isthe one performance from the Bob
fucking monkhouse show.
Um because it was the the 80s.
They didn't think to um theydidn't think to archive that
shit.
The what was it?
The uh um there's a movie.
Um, I forgot the name of themovie.
There there's a very famousmovie where they just never
(55:08):
archived the original footage.
So we'll just like what we seenow is what we get.
SPEAKER_06 (55:13):
Like the there's a ton of black and white movies
from oh yeah, it's somethingthat are just gone.
SPEAKER_02 (55:19):
Yeah, it's something like 90% or something is just
gone because they never thoughtto archive it.
SPEAKER_06 (55:23):
Some of those were a lot of those were lost, and like
uh they were basically just likethe the only tapes, like the
master tapes were just likethrown in storage units at the
studios, and they just eitherdry rotted or like they burnt,
or like the chemicals on themlike ate away at the film, and
now they're useless.
SPEAKER_02 (55:40):
Yeah, I mean that and I think that leads to my
point too, where it's like youhave this, you have this five
minutes of fame, this one-offcomedian who never never got his
feet off the ground, neverbecame success very successful,
had a small stint with aSchweppes commercial, and one
appearance on the Bob andBunkhouse show.
Is it worth archiving anyfootage with that guy on it?
(56:03):
Probably not.
No, is it worth diving too deepinto finding any information on
this guy?
Probably not.
SPEAKER_06 (56:08):
You're probably right, Michael.
SPEAKER_02 (56:10):
You know what I mean?
It just probably wasn'tworthwhile.
SPEAKER_06 (56:12):
You're probably right, Michael, but that's not
fun.
SPEAKER_02 (56:15):
You're right.
It's actually kind of sad howthis man spent most of his life
trying to make it big as acomedian, and the biggest thing
to his name is that people thinkhe's a demon.
In a way, it's kind of funny.
He might actually enjoy it, butand like if you look at
comedians back in the day,people are like, oh yeah, his
his his act is weird, like hisvoices are weird, and he's never
(56:39):
really looking at the camera,he's acting strange.
Yeah, that was the 80s, man.
People are acting weird all thetime.
That's and especially 80sEnglish comedy, that shit was
weird.
You know what I mean?
Life of Brian and other bullshitlike that.
That it was just a a differenttime.
SPEAKER_06 (56:57):
That's what a lot of the people in this Reddit thread
are saying.
They're like, people who don'tunder who think that this is AI
because of the way he acts asweirds clearly do not understand
British humor in the 70s and80s.
SPEAKER_02 (57:08):
The Brits don't know how to be funny, so they had to
do this weird shit tocompensate.
And even in that Koops video,like again, that Koops video did
a really good job, but a lot ofhis shit, he's like, Oh, he
never look at any photo of of uhof Roy J.
Look at any of the videos.
He's never looking directly inthe camera.
This is what AI does.
(57:28):
He does it in the Schweppscommercial, dude.
Not only that, the camera.
SPEAKER_06 (57:32):
Not only that, but AI generates fit photos that
where people are looking at thecamera fucking all the time.
SPEAKER_02 (57:37):
Like, it's not and it drove me wild because in that
video, too, he's like, oh, he hemoves weird in the Schwepps
commercial.
Everyone's moving weird.
It's like, yeah, no shit.
That's because you know why.
Not only is it part of the act,well, no, but in the in the
commercial, the way they shot itis everything is shot at a
fucking high speed, uh a highshutter rate camera, and
(57:57):
everything is sped up, and he isactively moving very slowly
while everyone else is movingfast behind them.
They do that on purpose.
If you watch it, he is movingslow in fast motion.
That's why he looks jankybecause that is the way they
shot that.
They shot it in fast forwardmotion, essentially.
But he it's the same, it's thesame that you do with um uh like
(58:20):
music videos, for example.
If you're doing like a slowmotion bit in a music video, but
they're still singing along,they're singing along, but
they're mouthing it very slowly.
So when they speed the footageup, it looks like it's it looks
normal.
But that's what they're doingthere.
It's high speed shit thatthey're slowing down.
SPEAKER_06 (58:37):
I get it.
SPEAKER_02 (58:39):
I'm just saying, the guy don't know what he's talking
about.
I don't know what he's talkingabout.
It's a real man, it's all realfootage.
That's what I gotta say.
Rant over.
I'm sorry.
I'm passionate about thesethings.
Are you?
You're passionate about fuckingRoy J?
I'm passionate about like film,uh, like ways to film things,
yeah.
(59:01):
Anyway, that was my like20-minute rant about why I think
it's human.
Why do you guys think it's ademon?
SPEAKER_06 (59:07):
I don't actually think that you've ruined the
fun.
Let's get this episode overwith.
SPEAKER_02 (59:12):
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That sounds about right.
Alright, well, okay, but realfast, just straight up.
What do you guys legit thinkit's just a guy, or do you think
it maybe I top the leg?
SPEAKER_06 (59:25):
I legit think it's a guy.
I think I think there's a veryminuscule possibility that he
was a guy, and then some of theinformation that's are
surrounding him has been madeup, but I don't know or that it
matters at all.
SPEAKER_00 (59:38):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
That's fair.
I I think he was a guy thatwasn't until he was a guy that
was.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (59:48):
Couldn't have said it better myself.
SPEAKER_06 (59:51):
Well, uh, it was a fun, fun thought experiment, and
that's about it.
SPEAKER_02 (59:56):
I enjoyed that we panicked a lot for the most of
this, like, oh this.
There's nothing on this topic.
How are we gonna make it last?
You forgot that I can just notshut the fuck up.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:04):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um outline is just it's just uhuh intro, who he was, theories,
and then Mike Rance.
SPEAKER_02 (01:00:14):
And then god damn it, I have to edit this guy out.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:18):
Speed up last 20 minutes.
SPEAKER_02 (01:00:22):
Um, yeah, I guess uh thanks thanks for tuning in,
everyone.
Uh as always, find us on anysocial media or any website,
just look us up, Deluty Pod, ordon't look under the internet,
anywhere you are.
Um Hometown Horrors.
If you have some scary storiesof scary things that happen to
you, give us an email atdilutypod at gmail.com, subject
line it, uh hometown horrors2025, and we'll read it on the
(01:00:44):
show for our Halloween episode.
Um give us fun stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:48):
Don't make don't make up a story.
Give us a story that happened.
Yeah, don't make them up becausewe don't we know when you're
making it up, all right.
SPEAKER_02 (01:00:54):
It's very obvious when you make them up.
Um all I'll say is if you see aRoy J in real life, just ask him
how he's doing, because uhaccording to this guy's bio, he
ain't doing good.
So ask make sure he's doinggood.
Um give him a hug.
Uh Doug, what do you got for thepeople?
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:13):
So what I want you guys to do is I want you to I
want you to take your pain.
And I want you to take yourbean.
And I want you to just uhslither on hither.
I'll see you later.
SPEAKER_06 (01:01:31):
Good job, boot.
Stay spooky, say stupid slither.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01:38):
Slither on out, boys.
Yeah, alright.
Well, goodbye everyone.
Thanks for tuning in as always,and may Roy J be with you.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:48):
No, no, I don't think so.
Don't look under the internet.
SPEAKER_00 (00:25):
Probably.
All right, all right.
SPEAKER_02 (00:32):
Welcome to Wheezy F the podcast, um, baby.
Why don't you don't look underthe internet, ladies and
gentlemen?
The creepiest, spopiest podcastthis side of the Tallahassee.
I'm joined with Moothu.
Amelia, Amelie, Amelie, Amelie,Amelia, I'm joined with actually
(00:55):
I'm sorry, not Matt.
That was that was a mistake ofmine.
I'm joined with Wheezy overthere.
And then we have then we haveToonchi over here.
Uh go ahead, Toonchi, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00 (01:04):
That was funny.
I was gonna be like, hello, I'mBirdman.
SPEAKER_01 (01:08):
Birdman! Play boy!
SPEAKER_02 (01:14):
Um, and it's me, your boy.
SPEAKER_06 (01:17):
Uh can I have Mike Willmade at the beginning of
this uh episode?
Mike Willmade.
SPEAKER_03 (01:23):
Mike Wellmade.
Trapaholics re trap.
SPEAKER_00 (01:26):
Where'd you get that?
Damn, son.
SPEAKER_03 (01:31):
Can that just be our new intro on whatever we have
now?
Damn, son.
Where'd you why'd you look here?
SPEAKER_06 (01:39):
Why'd you look at this?
SPEAKER_03 (01:41):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:43):
Damn, son, made you look.
SPEAKER_03 (01:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (01:45):
Um, the intro video will just be like I got a lime
wire like downloading.
SPEAKER_03 (01:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:53):
You can just see the aid seeping into the fucking
computer.
SPEAKER_02 (01:57):
Uh check the description below for our Dat
Piff uh link.
It's it's great, it's rightthere for you.
Oh my god.
I haven't thought about thatwebsite in so long.
Oh, it got fucked up.
Some some some dudes bought it,I think, or something like that,
and they turned it into somereally ass like just like link
share website.
Destroyed it.
Assily destroyed it.
That sounds right.
Um anyway, um, yeah, well, I'mdon't look at the internet.
(02:20):
Uh the podcast where we recordtwo episodes in a night, so we
don't have any housekeepinganymore uh for this episode.
But what we do have, what wasthat?
I got a notification on myphone.
SPEAKER_01 (02:30):
Oh shit, dude.
SPEAKER_02 (02:33):
Dudes, TMZ here again.
Oh TMZ.
Wow, Jason isn't here for any ofthese.
And he was my champion for a bitwhere he was like, I'm I I wish
we could think about doing themwithout.
SPEAKER_06 (02:47):
I'm here for it.
I'm here for it.
SPEAKER_02 (02:48):
Hell yeah, brother.
What do you got?
TMZ.
So TMZ with this bullshit.
There were four celebrities thatjust came out with uh uh some
leaked sex tapes.
And boy oh boy, these sex tapescame out, and they actually
someone has the raw footage ofthese sex tapes.
(03:08):
They have it on film and they'reselling, they're auctioning them
off.
It's wild.
So it is a sex tape with AmberHeard and Fred Dresher getting a
little nasty, and then this isthe weirdest one.
It was Lucy Lou and George Bush.
Fucking nuts, dude.
So this person, this anonymousperson, is auctioning these off
(03:31):
as we speak, and the the pricepoints for these are like neck
and neck, they're practicallythe same.
It's to the point where TMZ hasrequ uh has has basically
announced that a herd in thefran is worth loo in the bush.
SPEAKER_03 (03:49):
A herd in the fran is worth loo in the bush.
SPEAKER_06 (03:59):
Honestly, I'm not being silent because I'm fucking
with you.
I just don't get it.
SPEAKER_01 (04:04):
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush?
A herd in the fran is worth twoin the bush.
SPEAKER_06 (04:11):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (04:12):
Come on, man.
SPEAKER_06 (04:13):
And then Amber heard shit's on the bed.
SPEAKER_02 (04:15):
Yeah.
I mean, whatever.
Okay.
Well.
You people don't deserve.
Don't deserve anything that Ibring to the fucking table.
I want to hear it.
I have Alpha booing me in thechat.
You're banned.
That's a that's a phrase.
SPEAKER_06 (04:35):
I understand that that's a like a colloquialism.
I haven't heard or something.
But what why?
What?
SPEAKER_02 (04:40):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (04:42):
A herd in the fran is worth loo in the bush.
That's all I know.
Is it better to be content withwhat you already have, even if
it's a smaller or less desirableamount, than to risk it all by
pursuing something potentiallybetter.
SPEAKER_02 (04:55):
Listen, I'm just saying, Alpha's booing me in the
chat.
Mods kick them.
Ban them.
Uh, I need them out.
I need them gone.
I need them out.
Uh mods mod 'em.
Mod mod.
I'm not gonna lie, that one tookme way too long to think up, and
I am embarrassed now because sowhat did you do?
SPEAKER_00 (05:14):
Did you I uh I need to think I need to find a pun
and then you're like, whatcelebrities?
SPEAKER_02 (05:21):
Yes, that's exactly what it is.
I I I find a phrase or apormanteau, if you will, and I
uh I I try to think of celebritynames that fit in there, and
then I just flesh it out fromthere.
SPEAKER_06 (05:36):
It reminds me of there's a the I've mentioned
this podcast before, but there'sa podcast I listen to called uh
I Could Murder a Podcast, andthere's a guy on there, Ben, and
like the running gag is that Benis an idiot.
He's he's the you of the of theI didn't say you were an idiot,
I said that the running gag isthat you're an idiot.
(05:58):
But anyway, he does this thingwhere he always like says a
riddle for what next week'stopic is gonna be, but it's
they're fucking terrible.
It's not a riddle, he just likem says a couple things that that
have something to do with wordsthat sound like the person's
name.
Like it doesn't make any fuckingsense, and I feel like that's
what exactly was happening here.
SPEAKER_02 (06:18):
Well, this would well, today's episode, Matt, I'm
glad you bring it up.
Um funny enough, um this week'sepisode is neither March, April,
or May.
But today we're talking aboutRoy J.
SPEAKER_06 (06:36):
You know what?
SPEAKER_02 (06:37):
How was that for a riddle?
SPEAKER_06 (06:40):
You know, like I think it's fine, honestly.
SPEAKER_02 (06:44):
Thank you.
You know what, you boys, takethe night.
SPEAKER_03 (06:47):
I'll handle Roy J by myself again.
SPEAKER_02 (06:51):
Again.
Um Yeah, so we're gonna betalking about Roy J today, which
um I where I don't know whatelse to say about it without
giving away too much.
I'm both excited to talk aboutthis, but I'm more excited for
the discussion to have with youboys afterwards.
Um a user actually, uh a user, alistener actually uh made a
(07:16):
comment on like our Spotify uhsaying you guys should cover Roy
J.
And we all did a quick Googlesearch of Roy J, and we're like,
yeah, that's some weird shit.
SPEAKER_04 (07:25):
So this is your wall.
SPEAKER_02 (07:27):
Yeah, and then we figured out not a lot here.
Not a lot to Roy J here.
But I still like the concept.
I like the concept of it.
It's gonna be fun.
I like the idea.
So let's kind of dive into thisa smidge, a smidgeil digital
here, boys.
So what is Roy J?
(07:48):
You're probably wonderingyourself.
So on April 4th, 2025, ananonymous user on 4chan posted a
um a link.
He posted a file uh titled Royunderscore J underscore PJs with
a message saying this is a demonwriting itself into
retroactively or is writingitself retroactively into pop
(08:11):
culture history.
You'll think this is a shitpost, but you'll remember him
from your childhood soon enough.
Here is the picture.
And then they post a picture ofRoy J a man in his pajamas.
Now more discussion went intothis um about what Roy J is, who
(08:33):
he is, um, and why the fuck somepeople are arguing that this
demon, quote unquote, maybe alittle bit more interesting than
we thought.
Boot, care to elaborate aspeech?
SPEAKER_06 (08:50):
I will elabor elaborate, right?
So okay, Roy J, this this dudehere, if you're watching, he's
on the fucking screen.
SPEAKER_03 (09:00):
He allegedly is Ah God, I just put the screen on.
SPEAKER_06 (09:08):
He I'll put it back.
He allegedly is a comedian fromback in like the 70s and 80s.
And you know what?
Instead of putting a lot ofeffort into trying to explain
it, I'm literally just gonnaread you his career synopsis
from Wikipedia.
Roy J.
SPEAKER_02 (09:26):
Fair is fair.
SPEAKER_06 (09:27):
Born as Roy Jorgensen, I think the Jay is
because he's Norwegian, was aBritish Norwegian or British
stand-up comedian.
He performed with musicalaccompaniment and wearing a
convict uniform decorated withbroad arrows, telling jokes
interspersed with his spook andslither hit hither catchphrases.
Jay made high-profile televisionappearances in the 1980s,
(09:51):
including The Little and LargeShow, the Bob Monkhouse Show,
the Laughter Show, and The MainAttraction.
In 1973, Roy Jay topped the billin cabaret following the Miss
Gibalter Beauty Pageantbroadcast by Jimmy Great.
Yep.
The broad uh the broadcastingcorporation.
Jay toured the clubs of England,Ireland, Scotland, and Wales
(10:12):
before being offered athree-month tour of South Africa
in 1975.
Jay stayed for eight months andrapidly built a following in the
country before returning to theUK.
In the early 1980s, Jay beganappearing on television shows
with his Spook Spook SlitherHither act.
Jay would prowl around the stageto musical accompaniment,
(10:33):
wearing a convex uniform,telling jokes interjected with
his catchphrases.
On August of 1984, Jay performedat the exclusive inn on the park
club in Jersey.
Frustrated with hecklers, hedropped his trousers on stage in
front of a family audience.
Jay was fined 200 pounds afteradmitting indecent exposure.
(10:53):
The incident received mediacoverage and dented Jay's public
image.
Jay did not appear as a regularin the second series of The
Laughter Show, but did make aguest appearance in the third
episode on March of 1985.
So basically, this dude was acomedian.
Um, this entire Wikipediasynopsis is basically a summary
(11:13):
of an article that was posted onI think comedy.co.uk, uh, which
details his career in moredetail.
Basically, he was like a failingcomedian in the 70s who was
having a real difficult timelike actually gaining national
attention, and he like keptchanging his content and his
(11:35):
character.
He went to South Africa, cameback to the UK, reinvented
himself with this like weirdfucking musical number thing.
Um, and then apparently justsort of showed Dong.
Yeah, yeah.
He he struggled with likealcoholism a lot, which comes
into this a little bit, I think,comes into his life at several
points.
(11:55):
And I guess he just like fadedout of the public eye
eventually.
SPEAKER_02 (12:00):
And so I guess why are we talking about a comedian
though?
Why are people saying this guy'sa a demon?
We we see he's right here.
We just have a Wikipedia on himin his life.
SPEAKER_00 (12:12):
So, okay, so I have some com I have some of the
claims that like the the fourchannels, the Redditors, the the
Hoozuma boobers, whoever'stalking about this are claiming,
right?
So one the first one is thefootage looks synthetic.
Uh people are claiming that thevideos look AI generated, um,
(12:32):
his facial movements and timingare off.
SPEAKER_02 (12:34):
Um Yeah, that's that's one thing.
There's there's videos onYouTube.
There's I think two, maybe threetops of some of his
performances.
There's one that's a commercialfor some soda called Schweppes,
and the other is his BobMonkhouse performance.
SPEAKER_00 (12:50):
Exactly.
Um, so yeah, a lot of this a lotof the videos that we do have
are fairly similar in like theirum like what's going on, I want
to say for the most part.
Well, there's the song, which isa little different, uh, but the
main video that you're gonna seelike over and over is his like
little stand-up bit that's uh onthe monk house or whatever his
(13:12):
name is.
Um, but this is where most ofthe claims are coming from.
Um again, people are likediscussing how uncanny this
guy's eyes look.
Um, that the the you see somejittery motions and some weird
pauses and like just littleartifacts that people think are
like AI uh generated, right?
(13:34):
Um there's a lot of differentclaims.
So if you want to stop and talkabout each claim as we go, we
can, or I can just keep goingthrough them.
SPEAKER_02 (13:43):
Uh one thing I I want to bring up is the fact
that um not only are thesevideos a little suspicious, but
like the the dates that they'vebeen uploaded and whatnot can be
a little suspicious, and theWikipedia article that Matt read
off itself is as well.
SPEAKER_00 (14:01):
So these are things I was gonna bring up as well.
Okay, go by all means go for it.
So the next weirdness that Ihave is the metadata archive
weirdness.
Um so people are saying I'mfinding videos that weren't here
a few days ago that aresupposedly like months or years
old now.
Um we're getting like fudgedcomments on videos that weren't
(14:24):
there one day and then now areshowing that they've been there
for a year or and stuff likethat.
SPEAKER_06 (14:29):
That is the thing of all of this, I think, that has
the most basis because there isa video on YouTube where a guy
does a screen recording andshows that when he refreshes the
page, new comments with olddates appear.
SPEAKER_00 (14:43):
Which yeah, it there's a lot of it happening
too, like throughout this wholething.
Um, and then what Mike wassaying, uh, there's a a
Wikipedia article that did notexist during the time of this
4chan, like the first 4chanpost, but then three hours later
(15:04):
now does exist.
Yeah, um, it's pretty weird.
Um uh some of the other claims,uh, people did a lot of digging
into this guy, and of course,there's really not much to be
dug, unfortunately.
But uh what was found is therereally aren't any old newspaper
clippings, posters, or like TVlistings that even though he had
(15:28):
claimed to do these big shows,um, they don't like refute.
There's no evidence of that.
Like, even if I think someoneactually found um like a British
TV listing of when um he wassupposed to be on that show, but
it the show does not it does notclaim that he was on it that at
that time.
So um that's a big one.
(15:50):
Um some of the less like lesserreputable things that people are
saying is he looks and behavesdemonic, which is kind of like
alright, whatever.
They're they're like, oh, buthis catchphrase is spook or
slither hither, and it's youknow, yeah, I've got a clip of
of this thing that somebodyposted on 4chan.
SPEAKER_06 (16:12):
You want me to explain it?
SPEAKER_03 (16:15):
Yeah, I would love that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (16:16):
Okay.
So somebody posted a thing on4chan that is like a infographic
that they made of why Roy J isdemonic.
And so um a lot of this tiesinto like new pop culture.
Some of it obviously gets intoIsrael because of course it
(16:40):
fucking does.
But the biggest thing that theyhinge on is his pajama pants and
how the striped pajamas is astereotype for when showing uh
somebody that's readying bed,readying for bed or sleep, but
it's actually extremely occulticand has a spiritual meaning
(17:01):
behind it.
Um so Roy J, and pictured theleft in this infographic that
I'm describing, was a BritishNorwegian stand-up comedian.
He wasn't anything crazycompared to other comedians
except that he wore a prisonuniform during his stand-up gigs
and used the phrases slitherhither in his spook.
But a bit odd, but nothing tooweird or out of the ordinary for
entertainers.
But here's where it gets weird.
Some of the information on thisman is a bit contradictory.
(17:23):
Most would say that he was bornin 1948 and died in 2007, but
that's what his Wikipediaarticle says.
Some remember him being born in28 and dying in 92.
It seems to be a classic exampleof the Mandela effect.
Um, why is this important?
Let's think about what theprison uniform looks like
compared to pajamas, bothstriped shirts and pants using
vertical lines, stripes, andblue with white in color, some
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overall design, possiblysignifying them representing the
same meaning.
Sleeping slash dreaming equalsbeing in prison, or the world is
a dream that we must break outof, or something to that effect
of escaping a fake dream likereality, very occult in nature.
Two different Wikipedia articleshave also been recently spotted,
something unusual, even for theMandela effect cases.
(18:05):
Now, this is where we get intoRick and Morty.
So there are actually someexamples of this phenomenon, but
going back to the stripes, um,one directly relating to Roy J
himself in the adult swim showRick and Morty.
The obvious example is thecharacter Sleepy Gary in the
episode Total Rick All.
(18:25):
Total Rick All.
He's one of many parasites thatpass themselves off as a normal
person within the lives of thosearound them, painting false but
pleasant memories in their hostto create good fill feelings in
order to feed off of.
So here we have a pajama mancharacter who literally
gaslights you into believing afalse reality that you
retroactively think is true, butis actually something else very
(18:47):
sinister in disguise.
Rick and his family have to killthese parasites in order to end
the false reality that they'rebeing fed, and thus believe that
they are like a they believingthey are in like the idea of
when you die you wake up fromthe dream.
Example two.
SPEAKER_00 (19:01):
And the episode I like how uh sorry, I like how
those are called what do you godo you go into uh SPCG?
SPCG solar plexus clown gliders.
SPEAKER_03 (19:17):
Oh hell yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:18):
No, I'll go into that.
Don't worry.
SPEAKER_02 (19:20):
Um keep going.
I'll I'll get into that.
I just enjoy how they attachedRick and Morty to being this
whole conspiracy about like thesleepy Gary being a conspiracy
character because he's inpajamas, but like that whole
episode has Mr.
Poopy Butthole and Hammerai andlike Mr.
(19:40):
Pencil Man or Pencil Vester orwhatever.
It's just a room full of roomfull of weirdos, and they're
like, no, the man in thepajamas, that's that's up to
something.
SPEAKER_06 (19:50):
Example two.
In the episode Morty Night Run,Rick and Morty go to an arcade
and play an advanced VR lifesimulator game called Roy, where
you live out the life of a mannamed Roy until he dies in-game.
This is one of my favoriteepisodes of Rick and Morty.
The simulator is so realisticthat upon first playing it,
Morty had to readjust hisreality after playing because he
forgot what was actually real.
(20:10):
There's a character called Royrepresenting a false reality in
which you feel disoriented uponexiting the game, like waking up
from a dream.
Roy actually turns returns in alater episode where the game is
accidentally powered down whileMorty is playing, causing his
mind to fracture into all theNPCs in the game, making him a
hive mind amongst Roy, who istaken over by Rick in an attempt
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to save Morty's mind from beinglost.
The billions of parts of Morty'smind then form a sort of
religion to convince his otherparts to join Roy to uh become
part of the game and return tothe real world again.
Some some of this is like fuckedup, so there's text missing
here.
But anyway, we get that idea oflike the dreamlike state.
(20:52):
Now going back to the stripes,apparently the blue and white
stripes are a pattern found inancient Egypt, which the occult
slash freemas Freemasonsvenerate heavily.
The blue and white color schemeis even found on the Israeli
flag.
SPEAKER_03 (21:06):
We got him, we got 'em.
We got 'em.
SPEAKER_06 (21:09):
Although usually black and white in this case
represent the spirit realm aswell, as that is what most
people say it looks like whenvisiting on psychedelics, a
field of jagged black and whitestripes or static.
People of obscure indigenouscultures, such as the something
I can't pronounce, people evenpaint themselves striped to
attract ancestor spirits, asthey call them.
(21:31):
It is most often black andwhite, but red and white is
common as well.
Finally, we see that both thewords pajama and jailbreak equal
33 and 66 in gemetria?
Gematria using differentciphers.
For those who are unaware,Masons use gematria to place and
decode messages in everythingthey're involved in, usually
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using specific numbers such as33, 666, and 322, among others.
There's also some ties to themovie The Boy in the Striped
Pajamas, which I can go intothat if you want me to as well.
SPEAKER_02 (22:07):
I should ask my local Mason Lodge, hey, what's
up with this?
See if they have any answers.
You know anything about Roy J?
SPEAKER_06 (22:13):
And then it disappeared forever.
SPEAKER_02 (22:17):
Yeah, it the conspiracy is no never ending
with Roy J.
SPEAKER_00 (22:22):
Well, that's that's why I brought up that other
thing.
Because so if you're notfamiliar with what a solar
plexus clown glider is, um it isthe collective name given to a
broad range of paranormalphenomena attributed to a
corruptive entity which infectsweak and vulnerable people
through their solar plexuschakra, uh, originally used by
(22:43):
A's New Age practitioners.
Um, this was linked to ahorror-themed email affordable
in the late 90s, which claimedthat simply by reading or
hearing the words solar plexusclown glider made one
susceptible to the infection.
And basically, uh because it'sall online and it's like jumping
from you know social to social.
(23:05):
Uh, they're saying that it's asolar plexus clown glider just
making its way through umreality.
SPEAKER_02 (23:11):
You could say social media is a virus, dude.
SPEAKER_00 (23:17):
Bringing up the big issues.
Um yeah, I mean, realisticallyyou could, but uh yeah, I just I
saw that in uh in one of thevideos I was watching about him
that fucking someone called hima solar plexus clown glider, and
I was like, what the fuck isthat?
SPEAKER_06 (23:34):
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
So so I was looking at thisinfographic that I was reading
earlier.
I hadn't read all of this.
Okay, so to summarize theconnection to the boy in the
striped pajamas, they it's can'tget away from that right now.
It is um something aboutHolocaust victims.
(23:57):
Anyway, underneath that, forsome reason, the rainbow is
related to this somewhat.
Um something about LGBT sodomy,blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah.
Now, the rainbow.
What order those colors be in?
Do you do you remember?
Roy Gibb Roy G biv.
(24:18):
Roy, he's right there.
He's right there.
SPEAKER_03 (24:20):
Oh my god.
This goes all the way to thetop.
SPEAKER_02 (24:24):
That's nuts.
SPEAKER_00 (24:25):
He's gonna be able to sleep tonight.
SPEAKER_02 (24:27):
He's gonna infect your dream.
SPEAKER_00 (24:29):
I will say, so Doug, did you have more of the weird?
I do.
I have more, I have even morestuff that people pointed out.
So the next one is voiceinconsistency theory.
All right.
Most of the claims are sayingthat sometimes he's sounds
British and sometimes he doesn'tsound like he's British, and
then um, and one of the mainthings that people were saying
(24:50):
is that his voice sounds like amush or mixture of like other
comedians.
SPEAKER_06 (24:56):
Weird how he sounds exactly like Robin Williams,
though.
SPEAKER_02 (25:01):
I didn't hear it.
I heard the audio bit.
I didn't hear it.
SPEAKER_06 (25:04):
I made that connection before I even watched
that video.
SPEAKER_00 (25:08):
I I I truly I didn't I didn't I saw the like the
comparison video and it itdidn't I just click I didn't
hear him in that.
SPEAKER_06 (25:16):
I think that comparison video isn't even the
best comparison.
When I was just watching hisperformances before I even saw
that comparison, I was like, hesounds like Robin Williams.
SPEAKER_02 (25:24):
There is, yeah, we're we're referencing so
there's a video called 4chanStrange's Mystery, Roy J the
Comedian Who Doesn't Exist byCoop.
Um, did very a very good diveinto this thing, but there's a
lot of stuff they bring up.
Yeah, and there's a lot of stuffin this that I can, in my
opinion, is easily explainedaway.
Right.
Easily explain awayable.
(25:46):
Um, where he's just like, no,he's he's a demon because his
voice is funny.
But yeah, he's a cremedian inthe 80s on Coke.
SPEAKER_06 (25:53):
Yeah, he's even like one of his biggest things is
like, oh, they called thefucking crematorium where he was
allegedly cremated.
And I know you have a thingabout that, but he was like, Oh,
the crematorium said thatthere's nobody named Roy J that
was cremated there.
But that's not it, that's nothis real fucking name.
Yeah, it's just they're notgonna take him, you know.
(26:13):
They're not gonna take MarilynManson to the fucking
crematorium and be like, yeah,this is Marilyn Manson.
Cremate him and put that on hishead's his tombstone.
SPEAKER_00 (26:21):
Exactly.
Steve Williams.
Um, what else do you got, Doug?
Uh the other one, there's twomore that I have.
One is just like very obvious,like people were just making
fake.
SPEAKER_06 (26:34):
I guess there'd be no headstone if it was a
crematorium, sorry anyway.
Please continue.
SPEAKER_00 (26:38):
Yeah, he's in a fucking bucket.
Um bucket.
He's in a bucket because he's acomedian.
SPEAKER_03 (26:46):
Um so this one's just self-explanatory.
Do you think all when comediansdie, they just go and they just
end up in a bucket all the time?
SPEAKER_06 (26:54):
Yeah, that's why they call it kicking the bucket,
dude.
What the fuck?
SPEAKER_00 (26:57):
Oh yeah, they put all the funny bones into the
bucket.
Zing! Let's go.
I'm back at it, baby.
Um we needed this after UrbanSpook.
Yeah, seriously.
Um, but the other thing uh,which I again I think I already
started saying this, but uhpeople were just making shit up.
(27:19):
Like people were fully makingfake videos or photos, um,
screen caps and stuff, and itmade an actual trail uh back to
the original post and to realinfo very muddied in between,
um, because the internet lovesto do that shit.
So that one doesn't reallywarrant a whole lot of
discussion, it's just it is whatit is.
(27:40):
Um and then uh someone claimsthat they think this is an ARG.
Um they said that it's analternate reality game uh or
Psyop to show how an AI canrewrite history.
Uh it's to test how fast uh theculture cultural memory
propagates.
(28:00):
Um basically uh this was showingup on a bunch of like conspiracy
forums.
Um so that that was one that wasthe last theory I had.
SPEAKER_06 (28:10):
So to summarize, basically what people are saying
is either this is a demonrewriting itself into history
for some reason, or the othermore prominent theory that I've
seen in the one that is in thatvideo we were talking about is
that some sort of AI isrewriting parts of the internet
to include this guy in opculture history for no reason.
SPEAKER_00 (28:32):
Yeah, because here's the weird thing with it too.
I did you see the thing aboutthe like rogue AI thing?
SPEAKER_06 (28:40):
The thing about the rogue AI basically that there's
like an AI that has accidentallybeen let loose and it's yeah
yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (28:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (28:50):
So here here's here's one of the things too
with this.
So um I I believe, I believe inthe um in the uh the the Coop
video, he he references to thethe there's there's a video by a
uh a user on YouTube named DoomBasher in 1971.
(29:12):
And they they're the ones thatuploaded the original Roy Spook
uh performance on the BobMonkhouse show in 1983.
In Coop's video, he's like, Oh,that video, the the date was
changed, so it predated it tobeing posted 11 years ago.
I don't think that was the case.
I just don't think people foundthis until recently because Roy
(29:33):
J wasn't on the radar.
Because if you go toDunebasher's account, it looks
like they just kind of upload abunch of stuff from older like
it's it's got over 150 videos,and most of them are old uploads
from it's kind of like they'retrying to retain all this old
media because it's all shit fromlike the eighties and nineties.
So I'm not surprised.
SPEAKER_00 (29:54):
Were you saying they were just like uploading like
random footage they had foundand stuff?
SPEAKER_02 (29:58):
Yeah, it's just random bits from shit.
TV shows and music videos andlike cart commercials, things
like that.
SPEAKER_00 (30:04):
From I wonder if they're like grabbing like VHSs
from like that's what I'msaying.
Yeah, this is just such a weirdthing to have, though.
SPEAKER_02 (30:11):
I think it is in the grand scheme of things on
YouTube, over a billion hoursare uploaded a day.
Is this really it the in thegrand scheme of things?
Is this that weird?
Is this some guy archiving likeDoug said?
If he's just finding randomVHSs, he's just one trying to
archive them.
You're like you, you're I'm lostmedia boy now.
Wouldn't you be so happy to finda channel like this archiving
lost potential lost media?
SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
No, yeah, you're just you know right, I guess
there are people that do that.
I was actually I was thinkingabout this the other day.
I was like, man, if I go like doa garage sale and I just like
find a stack of like someone'sVHS, like I would for sure just
like pop copy them over tofucking DVD or whatever, you
know, digitize it and then likeeasy YouTube channel, like bam.
SPEAKER_02 (30:52):
I found a stack of um I found a stack at my
parents' house of and it's it'sgot real old obscure cartoons,
and I have no one of them isfucked up looking.
I really want to find a way tocopy it onto a computer.
I'd have no idea how to do that,but I really want to find a way
how because it is weird.
I really want to show you guysthat thing someday.
SPEAKER_00 (31:13):
Um you gotta find one of those DVD slash VHS uh
that's what they have recorders.
SPEAKER_06 (31:19):
Does that I mean you really need to need a VCR and a
capture card.
SPEAKER_00 (31:24):
Yeah, that that that's fair.
That's hypergraphic that makesit a lot easier, actually.
But yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (31:30):
Um but uh another thing that I wanted to bring up
too.
Uh we talk about like one of theone of the things that he was
saying, the the Coops guy andsome people online, they're
like, oh, you know, he did a hedid a commercial for Schwepps,
and uh, you know, a lot ofpeople they'll think of
Schweppes and they're like, oh,I don't remember that commercial
from back then.
(31:51):
I mean, yeah, I don't rememberevery Coca-Cola commercial from
1992 or 1995.
You know what I mean?
Like, you're not gonna rememberall the commercials.
There's some that stick withyou, obviously, because of
nostalgia, but you're not gonnaremember every commercial.
Yeah, every brand.
SPEAKER_06 (32:05):
One of the points that guy makes in the video is
like he he contacts somebodyfrom England and is like, hey,
yeah, or from the UK, and islike, hey, do you remember this?
Have you ever seen this guy?
Does any of your family rememberthis guy?
And everybody's like, no.
But I mean, think about it.
Every I don't remember everycomedian I've seen on like a
late night special on ComedyCentral.
SPEAKER_02 (32:26):
Though the the big thing that does grab me though,
is like Doug said, there is thatlike British TV guide that shows
the Bob Monkhouse show, and RoyJ is not referenced there at
all, which is very odd.
Now, maybe I don't have areference point.
Maybe they just maybe that showjust was not doing that because
they don't show any other ofthat show's the the Bob
(32:49):
Monkhouse, they don't show anyother of those listings from
that TV guide.
So, for all we know, that Bob MBob Monkhouse show just never
posted the the performances onthat TV guide.
Well, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_06 (33:01):
Like I maybe I'm wrong about this, but I assume
TV guides with like SNL on themdon't have the musical guests
listed.
SPEAKER_02 (33:10):
I don't know.
That's what I'm saying.
Maybe they just don't.
SPEAKER_00 (33:12):
Who's to say?
Um, yeah, I I I don't know.
I I'm gonna be honest with you.
I haven't thought or even lookedat a TV guide in fucking ages,
you know what I'm saying?
And like when when you had a TVguide, you think they were
always accurate, like 100% ofthe stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (33:30):
Yeah, I'm sure things changed for some one
reason or another, and likesports runs over or something or
right where things I get I guessbefore I get too much deeper
into it, some like into becauseI wanna before we I before I
start talking about like mequote unquote debunking a bunch
of this stuff, I do want to dothat after we're done with the
initial discussion.
(33:51):
Um but like another thing, likeI mentioned before with this
Dune Bashers, they they theyposted this was apparently 11
years ago when they posted thisvideo, and the biggest strange
part of it is people arenoticing these weird like AI
artifacts, like what you werementioning, Doug, where like the
eyes go kind of weird, the facedoesn't meld properly.
(34:12):
Um there's in one very quickflash, you see like a sixth
finger on his hand.
Um so there are these like weirdAI-esque things populating in
this video from 11 years agowhen AI just was not a thing.
SPEAKER_06 (34:28):
Wait, which video is this, though?
Is this the Doom Basher?
The Doom Basher one?
Because I've watched this and Idon't know if I can I don't know
that I can see this.
SPEAKER_02 (34:36):
I mean it's a two fucking 240p video, so that
yeah, but here's the thing thethe other conspiracy is that
it's not from 11 years ago, andthat the this demon, this AI or
whatever, made this video looklow quality on purpose to try to
trick your brain.
SPEAKER_05 (34:56):
Are you picking up on me now?
SPEAKER_06 (34:58):
Well, but it is legitimately a 240p video, so
you it's gonna be compressed.
So, like a lot of this stuff isgonna be like artifacts from
compression.
It's artifacts from compressionwhat's going on.
SPEAKER_02 (35:08):
I think, I mean, I didn't I don't want to talk
about it yet, but I think it's alot of it is artifacts from
compression, and also I'm like95% sure YouTube's got some form
of like AI upscaling, AI high uhyeah, AI upscaling that's
affecting this video.
Um and I I'm I'm prettyconfident that's what's
happening.
If you look at the video thatCoop puts out, the way he's
(35:29):
talking about it and the theclips that he shows, it does
look like it's just like an AItrying to keep up with what's
going on on screen.
SPEAKER_00 (35:36):
Have we have we looked at any other videos of
just the Bob Monkhouse show withsomeone else?
I maybe it maybe it looks likethe stage, maybe it looks
similar.
SPEAKER_02 (35:48):
Like I saw I saw a small clip, and this the stage
actually does look different.
It's a different stage, butthat's not too weird.
SPEAKER_00 (35:56):
SNL they change up their stage all the time for
whenever I just say maybe we canwe can see like because the way
it looks in that in the the DuneBasher video is like clearly
he's just like in like a stagewith like a full band behind it.
I can't imagine they change thatup too much, right?
Right, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (36:15):
Um yeah, no, the the stage does look different.
Um it's the same concept of anoutline, but like um the design
is way different for this likesmall clip I saw from the the
the show.
SPEAKER_00 (36:27):
The the one thing I do want to say just about this
video in general is that like nothere's no inkling for me,
although again it could beedited.
SPEAKER_06 (36:35):
I don't obviously I don't know for sure, but like uh
here's a a clip of the BobMonkhouse show from a different
episode, and then the stagesetup looks identical.
SPEAKER_00 (36:45):
Okay, perfect.
So that leads me to believe it.
That looks very so that beingsaid, I feel like it's really
like AI is good, but I feel likeit doesn't do that.
Like I think there's bits of AIthat make it hard for me to be
like, yeah, hey, I when I sawthis video, I didn't nothing
screamed AI to me.
Yeah, he's got weird eyes, Iguess, but like the thing that I
(37:07):
look for when I'm trying todetermine if things are AI, I
didn't really get any of those.
SPEAKER_06 (37:11):
Yeah, usually there was like the weight of the
thing, the subject or of theperson or whatever is wrong,
like they're floating too much,or like you know, yeah, and this
this guy's eyes are movingaround a lot, and I feel like AI
doesn't do that.
SPEAKER_00 (37:22):
They're like they give you that dead stare thing.
SPEAKER_02 (37:25):
Yeah, and another thing too, no, it well, so when
we first brought this up, um wefirst brought this up, we were
all kind of just kind of tryingto do a quick, you know,
hypothesis of what it could be.
And I know, Matt, I know at onepoint you said some of these
things look like they're AI, butto me, the dead giveaway that
this is not AI, and I knew fromimmediately that's not, is just
(37:49):
like the camera angle.
AI will whenever you watch AIvideos, you can tell it's AI by
the way the fake camera moves.
The way that is, but like theway the fake camera moves, it's
either the the the point ofinterest is dead center, or it's
one person here, one personhere.
(38:10):
It doesn't move much unless it'sin that like selfie camera-esque
position, because that's justwhat it's trained on.
This is an actual camera movingaround, it's taking different
angles, it's taking differentturns.
AI videos just don't do that,they're not at that level yet.
The like AI footage looks like adrone hovering.
You can tell this is not a dronehovering, this is from a legit
(38:33):
camera source.
SPEAKER_00 (38:34):
You can tell someone's manning the camera,
yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (38:37):
Yeah, and but but to play devil's advocate, you can
absolutely a hundred percentreplicate this sort of camera
movement on a static shot inlike Da Vinci Resolve.
SPEAKER_02 (38:47):
You can, yeah, it's easy to do.
SPEAKER_06 (38:48):
But not with but an AI generating a put in an AI if
you took an AI video and thenedited it yourself, you could
very convincingly recreate thiseffect.
SPEAKER_02 (38:58):
Sure, sure.
Yeah, but that involves people,that involves a person editing
and whatnot, where the theory onthis is that it's an AI golden
robe or some demon slippingitself into its brain.
SPEAKER_06 (39:09):
Um I I think I think to Doug's point, Doug has the
biggest point for why I thisprobably isn't AI generated,
which is this other thing that Ijust found, which is Tommy
Cooper on the Bob Monkow show in1983.
There's no way any AI has beentrained on enough footage from
the Bob Munkow show in 1983specifically to be able to
convincingly recreate thisstage.
SPEAKER_02 (39:30):
100%.
And you gotta look at you gottalook at the background things
too.
Like the band is in thebackground, you see them
playing.
And AI is not gonna hasn't, likeyou said, has not trained itself
on enough footage.
SPEAKER_06 (39:42):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (39:43):
Yeah.
Something that I did find weirdthough.
So in that video and in the umin that video, they referenced
to an article, the thecomedy.co.uk article.
Um, and they're like, oh yeah,like it's even like
retroactively publishing thesearticles on him.
Um, and they have to sayretroactively to keep the story
(40:05):
going.
It actually, before I okay, hangon.
So so what's weird about thisarticle?
Because I don't want to I don'twant to poo-poo on it because I
like the idea.
SPEAKER_06 (40:14):
No, no, no, but I I do have another theory that that
was introduced that I don'tthink we've debunked yet.
SPEAKER_02 (40:21):
Okay.
Well, so something that I thinkdoes you can go I I'm almost
done here, but something that Ithink does add to this
potentially being some eitherrogue AI or demon that's writing
itself in.
This article was quote unquotepublished uh September 22nd,
2024.
But the writer is by a GrahamMcCann, who if you click on the
(40:45):
name to view more of theirwritings and everything, it says
that they're an English author,and everything on here is
basically blank.
It says uh their bio for thissite is blank.
It's Graham McCann is just anEnglish author, that's all it
says.
And it gives credits for thingsthat it's that they've done.
Um from 2002 to 2022, it givesyou all these credits, but this
(41:07):
article is not referenced inthat.
SPEAKER_06 (41:10):
He also doesn't, and correct me if I'm wrong, in that
article, explain where he gotany of the information.
SPEAKER_02 (41:19):
No, no, he does not.
Um, the the Wikipedia does usereferences, but those references
themselves also are kind of meh.
SPEAKER_06 (41:28):
Yeah, I went through and clicked on those, and I
couldn't find a single thingwhere I was like, this is
indisputable evidence thatnothing sticks really.
So yeah, you you get thesearticles.co.uk, but the thing
about that article is thatarticle has no references that
say where the information camefrom.
SPEAKER_02 (41:46):
Exactly.
So it it's it's very strange.
And and there's like I don'teven know how to I don't even
know what how to what what tohow to describe it, but like the
article itself has a bunch ofold photos of like Roy J from
back in like the 70s andwhatnot, and some of his earlier
performances.
So we get a lot more images ofRoy J from this, but something
(42:10):
that's that kind of irks me alittle bit with it is like I
don't know, it's it's I can'tdescribe it, but like the the
the pictures look genuine, butthe article itself gives off
vibes that it like you said,there's no references to it,
there's no um uh there's nothingthat shows that any of this is
(42:33):
real.
So is this just somethingsomeone made up?
SPEAKER_06 (42:35):
They just found pictures of Roy J and was like,
yeah, let's see, that's thething, that's the theory that I
was that I was mentioning, isthat the reality, and this is I
find this somewhat believable,is that the truth is actually a
hybrid in that Roy J actuallyexisted and actually was a
comedian from this era, but therest of the information that has
(42:58):
been posted online about him wascompletely made up.
As in, I so either an AI foundthis found Roy J and references
to him and then made up abackstory and then started
writing it in, or someoneopportunistically discovered
this comedian and then used thefoot reused the footage and
images to make up a backstoryabout a person who never
(43:20):
existed.
SPEAKER_02 (43:22):
That's a good idea.
SPEAKER_00 (43:25):
I like that.
So I was trying to get I wastrying to have Chat GPT create a
character.
No, I was trying to have ChatGPTspill the beans that they're
helping cover up the truth onthis.
And it's just led me in acircle.
I was like, how do I know you'renot just like giving me this
(43:46):
information to cover for therogue AI that's tampering with
the truth?
And I'm just getting some likebullshit answers.
I think they have like a veryspecific thing to say when
people start being like, you'refucking with me.
Um so I thought I'd get fun outof that, but it didn't, it
didn't happen.
I was just I literally I waslike, I was like, uh, how do I
(44:07):
know you as an AI aren't a partof rewriting our history?
And they're like, I can't, Iwouldn't be able to, I can't
edit or you know, alter websitesor records or anything like
that.
And I'm like, okay, well, maybeyou're not changing anything
yourself, but with theinformation you're giving out,
you're helping protect the rogueAI that is doing all of this.
(44:28):
And then there's like she theysaid that's a reasonable worry.
Oh, she's um I was like, oh,okay.
Um, but then they're like,here's a short safe plan you can
follow to help you not worryabout this.
And I was like, that's stupid.
SPEAKER_06 (44:43):
So you're not gonna tell us the stream.
unknown (44:48):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (44:49):
Should just be like, tell tell me, tell me
everything.
SPEAKER_02 (44:52):
Tell me everything about him.
Um I guess I have a lot more Iwant to say, but real fast,
let's just get into our thoughtson this whole thing.
Because I I have a lot I want tosay, and I want to go into it
after uh real or fake type ofnote here.
So boys, I'm gonna say, is thisinstead of real or fake, I'm
(45:15):
gonna say real boy, demon, orAI?
SPEAKER_00 (45:20):
I think we can lump demon AI into one category.
Alright, so is it is he real orrobot?
SPEAKER_02 (45:28):
I'm gonna say real man, and I have a lot more to
talk about, but I want to hearwhat you guys have to say first.
SPEAKER_06 (45:35):
I think I think the scenario that I laid out is
plausible that he was a realindividual that no information
existed about, and then eithersomeone or an AI wrote the
backstory.
SPEAKER_00 (45:48):
I I would have to agree with Matt.
I think that is the most logicalthing from the information that
I've been able to find.
And I think I don't have okay,so I think I think he was a real
person.
I just don't think I have themeans or any way of finding any
sort of truth beyond that.
(46:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (46:11):
We are Roy J agnostics.
We believe we believe Jesus wasa real guy, but we we're unsure
if he was the son of God.
The same way that we believe RoyJ was a real guy, but we are we
are unsure whether he is the RoyJ who has been presented before
us today.
SPEAKER_02 (46:28):
Exactly.
Exactly what it is.
Yeah, I like that.
So I'm gonna drop something inthe links for Matt real quick.
Let me let me get rid of thesefor you real fast.
I'm gonna drop a couple thingsin here for you, bud.
First and foremost, there'sthat.
SPEAKER_00 (46:44):
You shake your pants, buddy.
SPEAKER_02 (46:46):
Oh god, I feel like it.
Feeling like it.
Um there's that.
And then I'm also gonna dropyou.
Where did you put this?
It's in the links, link listformat.
There's one, don't open it yet.
Okay, let me get them all.
Let me get me ready.
Because I have a whole thing.
I'm about to go into a fuckingdissertation.
Oh god.
(47:06):
No, because I don't want you to.
SPEAKER_00 (47:10):
I'm about to disassociate.
I'll be back in a bit.
SPEAKER_02 (47:12):
No way.
Um there's that one.
There is hang on, I'm gettingit.
Oh god, I'm so glad I found allthis.
SPEAKER_06 (47:22):
I literally only see one link in this document.
SPEAKER_02 (47:24):
Yeah, I'm putting the other one.
Give me a fucking second.
SPEAKER_06 (47:27):
Fucking Christ, Michael.
SPEAKER_01 (47:28):
Well, my fucking thing.
I'm an old boomer.
I'm a boomer.
When it comes to the technology,why don't you do this ahead of
time?
SPEAKER_02 (47:34):
Yeah, come on, man.
Prepare.
I didn't think to do that.
I didn't think to prepare.
Okay, let me give you this one.
Alright, I'll just give you two.
Fuck it.
We'll be good with that.
So there's that one, and there'sthis one.
So I want you to go ahead and Iwant you to open up that first
one.
That first one will link it to aReddit thread where people talk
about Roy J.
First and foremost.
(47:54):
I think Roy J was just a failedcomedian.
I think he had his five minutesin fame.
Um, and a lot of people in thisReddit thread that I found are
saying basically the same thing.
There's a lot of people in here,and and to top off the
credibility here, I have lookedup a lot of the Reddit users in
here, and I've seen a hugeposting um history on a bunch of
different threads, and they'reall very unique, and they f they
(48:17):
they they seem like they're realpeople.
So I feel like these are realpeople.
But a lot of these people aresaying, yeah, I remember him.
He had a uh a quick stunt in thein the 80s, he has five minutes
of fame, but his whole problemwas he had he was a one-trick
pony.
He did the whole slitter spookthing, it was really funny, but
then he never changed up his hisroutine, it got stale, and he
just kind of went intonowhere'sville.
(48:39):
He just he just fell off.
No one cared about him afterafter you know a couple months
here.
Um that seems to be like therecurring uh uh trend here, um,
is that he was he was relativelypopular in England at the time.
He never uh got past doing thewhole Slither thing, and he just
(48:59):
could never get that uminternational fame.
He was basically just stuckbeing a uh England uh uh UK
known comedian.
Um like you were saying before,he struggled with alcoholism and
all that stuff, and he just kindof fell off.
The whole revealing his dong toa bunch of families didn't help,
and so that just blasted himinto obscurity as well.
(49:21):
Uh another thing that I feeladds to this is that the
original 4chan post was fromthis year, 2025.
People are like, oh, well,fucking, he's just retroactively
putting himself in.
There's a Google Trends uh uhlink that you could find.
(49:42):
Here it is for you too, buddy,where people have actually been
talking about Roy J for quitesome times.
I just put the Google Trendslink in the link list for you as
well.
Um, they've been talking abouthim for a while, like they've
brought up Roy J.
in 205 2016.
He actually had a huge spike in2016, and some of the comments
was even before that one waseven like, oh yeah, he comes up
(50:02):
every couple years, people talkabout him, they bring him up
because it's a nostalgia thing.
They're like, Oh, yeah, Iremember that.
That was kind of funny, and thenit fades back into obscurity.
Someone even made the commentit's funny that he just makes
the rounds every couple of yearson the internet, and people
think he's some demon when he'sjust some washed up comedian
from the 80s.
Um, but yeah, like if you lookat the trends, like 2016, he was
(50:24):
he he spiked huge spike back in2004.
There's a spike, like he he'sconstantly being talked about.
There, it's almost never flat.
There's some sort of constantbuzz about Roy J at any given
point online.
SPEAKER_06 (50:38):
That's what they want you to think, Michael.
They're changing the searchresults.
There's Lord's changing thesearch results.
SPEAKER_02 (50:46):
Um another thing, they're changing the results.
Another thing that I want tobring bring up, I posted this in
the link chat for you if youwant to put it on screen too.
Um, I went to findagrave.comwhere you can find the graves of
people um all over the fuckingplace, and I found a link to
him, and I found a link to hisspouse, and I found where his
spouse was buried.
So if he was just some fuckinguh uh generic AI demon thing,
(51:11):
why would this AI thing go tothe extent of creating a wife
and then creating a grave sitefor his wife?
And I even know where she'sburied.
I found the address for thefucking place, the cemetery
she's buried at.
Like, you can just find her.
Like, this is all publicinformation.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_06 (51:30):
Roy Emory Roy J.
J.
Jorgensen.
SPEAKER_02 (51:33):
Yep, and and the curator for it on his site and
on or on his wife's site, thereis a curator that has a curator
ID number, and this guy hasworked with Find a Grave for
years, and he has a history ofdoing all this stuff.
Uh, it's all certified, it's allon this guy's ID number.
SPEAKER_06 (51:51):
But it does say created by Mike Mac added
October 8th, 2024, Michael.
This page didn't exist untilOctober 8th, 2024, which is
after this whole thing started.
SPEAKER_02 (52:01):
For for Roy J, correct?
SPEAKER_06 (52:02):
Correct.
SPEAKER_02 (52:03):
Go to his wife's.
SPEAKER_06 (52:05):
How are we sure?
SPEAKER_02 (52:07):
Why would his wife's be in acting?
SPEAKER_06 (52:09):
December 13th, 2014.
Damn.
SPEAKER_02 (52:14):
Roy J's he was cremated, even posts that in
there.
SPEAKER_06 (52:17):
So I think she's buried in South Dakota, though.
SPEAKER_02 (52:21):
She might have been born there.
How do we know?
Because he died in Spain, butthat doesn't mean they they were
native to Spain.
SPEAKER_06 (52:29):
But he's got his entire career in the UK.
SPEAKER_02 (52:32):
Why would Because his wife might have been from
North Carolina and wanted to beburied with family.
South Dakota.
Your South Dakota, yeah, andwant to be buried family.
That's not too out of theordinary.
My grandmother died in Oswego.
She was buried fucking an hourand a half away because that's
her family plot.
Yeah.
That's just how it is.
Um, I and I just think he wasjust some guy.
(52:54):
I really I really just think hewas some dude that just fell off
in obscurity, and uh theinternet just brings him up
every now and then.
I I really I really do thinkthat's all it was.
I don't think there's much onhim because he was around during
the 80s, and uh, I don't thinkanyone cared enough to really do
a deep dive interview with thisguy.
I mean, it's the same as umDoug, you might I mean you
(53:16):
you'll probably know about this.
Uh Pee-wee, Pee-wee Herman.
Um, there was that documentarythat came out um about him, and
it was the first realdocumentary where he talked
about being Pee Wee Hermanbecause he liked to separate his
personal life from his hisacting life.
He kept very good fucking what'swhat's his name?
I'm I I forgot his name, theactor.
Paul Rubens.
Paul Rubens, yeah.
(53:38):
He kept all his private life, hekept his private life secret
from everyone.
No one knew what was going onwith Paul Rubin.
No one knew what was going onever.
He kept that shit away.
So it's not out of the ordinarythat if Roy J did the same
thing, there would just be noinformation on him because he
never cared to bring thatinformation out into light.
SPEAKER_06 (53:56):
We send him flowers.
So, how did they get all theinformation about his career for
the comedy article?
SPEAKER_02 (54:02):
For all we know, the the for all we know, this guy
went to a family member and justfound as much information as we
could.
You're right.
That is a little sus that wethere's no references to it or
there's no um information aboutwhere this person got their
information.
I do agree that's a little weirdand suspicious.
But again, it's one of thosethings where like I mean, i in
(54:26):
in 50 years from now, there'sthere's there's there's a small
possibility that there's gonnabe an I there's gonna be a
Wikipedia page about us.
But are they how are they gonnaget the information about us?
You know what I mean?
Just looking at episodes here.
This is the 80s.
If if he didn't do that manyepisodes of any TV shows or
anything, there's not gonna beany TV shows to reference.
(54:47):
The only thing the reference isthe one performance from the Bob
fucking monkhouse show.
Um because it was the the 80s.
They didn't think to um theydidn't think to archive that
shit.
The what was it?
The uh um there's a movie.
Um, I forgot the name of themovie.
There there's a very famousmovie where they just never
(55:08):
archived the original footage.
So we'll just like what we seenow is what we get.
SPEAKER_06 (55:13):
Like the there's a ton of black and white movies
from oh yeah, it's somethingthat are just gone.
SPEAKER_02 (55:19):
Yeah, it's something like 90% or something is just
gone because they never thoughtto archive it.
SPEAKER_06 (55:23):
Some of those were a lot of those were lost, and like
uh they were basically just likethe the only tapes, like the
master tapes were just likethrown in storage units at the
studios, and they just eitherdry rotted or like they burnt,
or like the chemicals on themlike ate away at the film, and
now they're useless.
SPEAKER_02 (55:40):
Yeah, I mean that and I think that leads to my
point too, where it's like youhave this, you have this five
minutes of fame, this one-offcomedian who never never got his
feet off the ground, neverbecame success very successful,
had a small stint with aSchweppes commercial, and one
appearance on the Bob andBunkhouse show.
Is it worth archiving anyfootage with that guy on it?
(56:03):
Probably not.
No, is it worth diving too deepinto finding any information on
this guy?
Probably not.
SPEAKER_06 (56:08):
You're probably right, Michael.
SPEAKER_02 (56:10):
You know what I mean?
It just probably wasn'tworthwhile.
SPEAKER_06 (56:12):
You're probably right, Michael, but that's not
fun.
SPEAKER_02 (56:15):
You're right.
It's actually kind of sad howthis man spent most of his life
trying to make it big as acomedian, and the biggest thing
to his name is that people thinkhe's a demon.
In a way, it's kind of funny.
He might actually enjoy it, butand like if you look at
comedians back in the day,people are like, oh yeah, his
his his act is weird, like hisvoices are weird, and he's never
(56:39):
really looking at the camera,he's acting strange.
Yeah, that was the 80s, man.
People are acting weird all thetime.
That's and especially 80sEnglish comedy, that shit was
weird.
You know what I mean?
Life of Brian and other bullshitlike that.
That it was just a a differenttime.
SPEAKER_06 (56:57):
That's what a lot of the people in this Reddit thread
are saying.
They're like, people who don'tunder who think that this is AI
because of the way he acts asweirds clearly do not understand
British humor in the 70s and80s.
SPEAKER_02 (57:08):
The Brits don't know how to be funny, so they had to
do this weird shit tocompensate.
And even in that Koops video,like again, that Koops video did
a really good job, but a lot ofhis shit, he's like, Oh, he
never look at any photo of of uhof Roy J.
Look at any of the videos.
He's never looking directly inthe camera.
This is what AI does.
(57:28):
He does it in the Schweppscommercial, dude.
Not only that, the camera.
SPEAKER_06 (57:32):
Not only that, but AI generates fit photos that
where people are looking at thecamera fucking all the time.
SPEAKER_02 (57:37):
Like, it's not and it drove me wild because in that
video, too, he's like, oh, he hemoves weird in the Schwepps
commercial.
Everyone's moving weird.
It's like, yeah, no shit.
That's because you know why.
Not only is it part of the act,well, no, but in the in the
commercial, the way they shot itis everything is shot at a
fucking high speed, uh a highshutter rate camera, and
(57:57):
everything is sped up, and he isactively moving very slowly
while everyone else is movingfast behind them.
They do that on purpose.
If you watch it, he is movingslow in fast motion.
That's why he looks jankybecause that is the way they
shot that.
They shot it in fast forwardmotion, essentially.
But he it's the same, it's thesame that you do with um uh like
(58:20):
music videos, for example.
If you're doing like a slowmotion bit in a music video, but
they're still singing along,they're singing along, but
they're mouthing it very slowly.
So when they speed the footageup, it looks like it's it looks
normal.
But that's what they're doingthere.
It's high speed shit thatthey're slowing down.
SPEAKER_06 (58:37):
I get it.
SPEAKER_02 (58:39):
I'm just saying, the guy don't know what he's talking
about.
I don't know what he's talkingabout.
It's a real man, it's all realfootage.
That's what I gotta say.
Rant over.
I'm sorry.
I'm passionate about thesethings.
Are you?
You're passionate about fuckingRoy J?
I'm passionate about like film,uh, like ways to film things,
yeah.
(59:01):
Anyway, that was my like20-minute rant about why I think
it's human.
Why do you guys think it's ademon?
SPEAKER_06 (59:07):
I don't actually think that you've ruined the
fun.
Let's get this episode overwith.
SPEAKER_02 (59:12):
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That sounds about right.
Alright, well, okay, but realfast, just straight up.
What do you guys legit thinkit's just a guy, or do you think
it maybe I top the leg?
SPEAKER_06 (59:25):
I legit think it's a guy.
I think I think there's a veryminuscule possibility that he
was a guy, and then some of theinformation that's are
surrounding him has been madeup, but I don't know or that it
matters at all.
SPEAKER_00 (59:38):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
That's fair.
I I think he was a guy thatwasn't until he was a guy that
was.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (59:48):
Couldn't have said it better myself.
SPEAKER_06 (59:51):
Well, uh, it was a fun, fun thought experiment, and
that's about it.
SPEAKER_02 (59:56):
I enjoyed that we panicked a lot for the most of
this, like, oh this.
There's nothing on this topic.
How are we gonna make it last?
You forgot that I can just notshut the fuck up.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:04):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um outline is just it's just uhuh intro, who he was, theories,
and then Mike Rance.
SPEAKER_02 (01:00:14):
And then god damn it, I have to edit this guy out.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:18):
Speed up last 20 minutes.
SPEAKER_02 (01:00:22):
Um, yeah, I guess uh thanks thanks for tuning in,
everyone.
Uh as always, find us on anysocial media or any website,
just look us up, Deluty Pod, ordon't look under the internet,
anywhere you are.
Um Hometown Horrors.
If you have some scary storiesof scary things that happen to
you, give us an email atdilutypod at gmail.com, subject
line it, uh hometown horrors2025, and we'll read it on the
(01:00:44):
show for our Halloween episode.
Um give us fun stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:48):
Don't make don't make up a story.
Give us a story that happened.
Yeah, don't make them up becausewe don't we know when you're
making it up, all right.
SPEAKER_02 (01:00:54):
It's very obvious when you make them up.
Um all I'll say is if you see aRoy J in real life, just ask him
how he's doing, because uhaccording to this guy's bio, he
ain't doing good.
So ask make sure he's doinggood.
Um give him a hug.
Uh Doug, what do you got for thepeople?
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:13):
So what I want you guys to do is I want you to I
want you to take your pain.
And I want you to take yourbean.
And I want you to just uhslither on hither.
I'll see you later.
SPEAKER_06 (01:01:31):
Good job, boot.
Stay spooky, say stupid slither.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01:38):
Slither on out, boys.
Yeah, alright.
Well, goodbye everyone.
Thanks for tuning in as always,and may Roy J be with you.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:48):
No, no, I don't think so.
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