Death Is Just One Dimension Over

What if every great idea you've ever had was whispered to you from somewhere just outside our dimension?

This week's guest is a systems engineer with more than 20 patents, a medical device designer behind dozens of commercialized products, and the man who built an IV fluid factory in 18 months, finishing one month before Hurricane Helene knocked out 60% of the U.S. supply. He's also a near-death experience survivor who spent 20 years silently trying to understand what happened to him.

We get into the jog that ended with him dead on arrival, the cold ice protocol that brought him back, and the funeral plot his family had already purchased. From there the conversation goes places: consciousness as something separate from the brain, interdimensional beings and the orbs in the sky, the Catholic Mass as a time-collapse event, the three wise men possibly following a UFO, and the ancient pyramids as 19 hertz resonance chambers.

We also dig into his debut novel The Weight of a Dog, why a bulldog ended up on the cover, and the hidden gold key on his website that unlocks the science behind the story.

Alex Lucio's Website: alexlucio.me

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_00 (00:36):
So this is week three of me having issues with
technology, being the tech guy.
All the people at work wouldmake fun of me because they
consider me the tech guru, Iguess.
But anyway, this is the Drink aGog podcast.
I'm your host, Rob Valencius,and I have the absolute pleasure
of having Alex Lucio with me.
Now, Alex, you're an engineer,an inventor, and an author.

(00:57):
Welcome to the show, man.

SPEAKER_03 (00:59):
Thank you for having me.
It's a pleasure to be here.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03):
Yeah, so look, um, before we get into the crazy
stuff, give me your backgroundstory up until the point where
you had that near-deathexperience.
Yeah, what what where'd you growup?
What was life like?
And you know, and then we'llkind of work into the fun stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22):
Um, I I grew up in South Florida.
Um, spent my whole life inFlorida, a few years in
Louisiana.
Uh parents uh spent four yearsin New Orleans, which was
interesting.
Came back, um, was a computerscience major in computer
engineering.
Um started my career off as asystems engineer with Motorola.

(01:48):
Um and and I would say I kind ofdivide, it's it's funny that the
near-death experience is moretalked about in my 60s than when
it happened.
Um primarily because I refusedto talk about it for 20 years.

SPEAKER_00 (02:06):
Um like all of us that have traumatic events,
we're just like, yeah, I'm justyep, especially men, we tend to
bury shit real deep.

SPEAKER_03 (02:15):
You know, it it also, you know, there there was
a sideway, which is, you know, Ihave I think 20, 20 something
patents.
And and all of that is post-NDE.
And and I linked the two.
Um, and I that's that's why, youknow, I I I joke in the
conference room that I'm thecrazy man of the company, I'm

(02:37):
allowed to be.
Um and the the reason that I Igive myself that title is I
don't think I I came up with anidea of myself at all.
So it's you know, I I I kind ofspent the last 20 years trying
to understand what happened tome.
And uh, you know, that gets meinto consciousness and death and

(02:58):
life and and all of that stuff.
And then I'm a I'm a medicaldevice designer.
So I'm on the nexus of life anddeath and farm, whether it's
pharmaceutical, which is thefactory I just built, or the
devices that I designed andcommercialized.
But I'm always obsessed and Ifind myself obsessed with death.

(03:20):
And you know, if you go to my mypersonal website, my branding,
my portfolio site, it's it's thecommercialization of 26 medical
devices in a very short periodof time.
It's invention across differentfields, um, respiration and
ventilation, then oxygen, thendisinfection.

(03:44):
And then I jump entirely into atotally different area,
pharmaceutical, of which I haveno experience in design an
automated robotic system.
And then from there I jump intowriting fantasy.
So I said it's a it's a it's aweird, it's a weird jump of

(04:05):
areas.
And to me it's logical, but toeverybody else, it's insanity.
And so the uh and I think thatmakes me certifiably a crazy
man.

SPEAKER_00 (04:17):
Well, I mean, as humans though, let's be honest.
Like, you know, do you everreally end up exactly where you
thought you were gonna end up?
Because I gotta tell you, Imean, growing up, I I had very
different perspective of ofwhere life would take me.
And every time you you think youknow, life's like you know, like

(04:37):
like Dekembe Mutumbo, right?

SPEAKER_03 (04:39):
Yeah, it's that saying, if you want to make God
laugh, tell him your plans.
Yeah.
And it's it's so true.
Yeah, the the but the but themore planning you do, the more
frustration you'll have in life.
You you kind of I kind of viewedit this way.
You you you do all this prep andplanning.
And you need it to because thatwas required to get you to the

(04:59):
next step, but the next step isno correlation to where you
thought it would be.

SPEAKER_00 (05:04):
You know, yeah, yeah, and and look, I work I
work in the Medicare world.
So I I I I uh deal with seniorsevery day.
Uh and as a 39-year-old, Iprobably think about death way
more often than your average39-year-old because I deal with
it all the time.
I see it, you know, and I seethe struggles that uh that a lot

(05:26):
of these people are having, andand they're built on living on
these pharmaceuticals, andthat's what's keeping them, you
know, alive.
Some of them alive.
I know some people that are 78,80, and they're totally fine.
They walk, they go outside,they're you know, personable,
they have their mind, and thenyou have others that are, you

(05:48):
know, 65, 70 that need to be ina home.
And they, you know, they haveno, you know, there's a lot of
craziness involved in in likeseniors and um you know the the
medical world.
So I'm sure you deal with or yousee some of that.

SPEAKER_03 (06:02):
You know, and to me, that that drives into purposeful
purposefulness and you knowwhere what what gives what gives
meaning to life generally.
Um, you know, because seeing,and that's an interesting
thought because the wholedementia Alzheimer's angle gets
into kind of how I view, youknow, I I remember, you know,

(06:24):
I've had these conversationswith my wife, and I would say,
you know, you're not in yourbrain.
She's like, Well, what do youmean?
And I said, you know, her name'sEsther, and I'd say, Esther's
not here.
And she's like, What do youmean?
And I said, Well, I I could, Icould, I could take a
cauterizing iron and take outportions of your brain.
It doesn't stop you from beinghere.

(06:45):
And she and that that that'skind of like where the wildness
of my near-death experience tooktook me, which is the I I I I
developed a certain servitudethat Alex wasn't here.
Alex exists regardless of what'shere.
And that's, I mean, I I spent 20years just everything I could

(07:06):
read on consciousness, on uhnear-death experiences, and I I
was obsessed by it.
I would never talk about itopenly because, you know, in the
world I'm in, you know,professionally, it would
diminish me.
Um, you know, the you you don'tget a lot of professional
recognition for saying, hey, Iwoke up with this idea and I

(07:28):
have no idea where it came from.
But literally, it's it's thestory of my the last half, the
second half of my life, which isI wake up in the morning with a
notepad, and I sometimes havepretty well-developed ideas the
moment I wake up.
And and I, you know, I don'twant to, I'm not, I don't

(07:48):
consider myself mystical in thatsense, but you know, you start
reading up on that experience.
You know, you get into the themusic, in particular the artists
who say that, you know, uh aBrahms or a Beethoven who writes
in a journal, I saw the wholesymphony.
And and I never, you know, I Inever artists, that's fine.

(08:10):
You like artists are supposed tobe weird like that.
But for me to have an experiencelike that was worrisome.
I mean, I literally I I didn'tknow, you know, I would do MRIs
on myself and you know whatchanged and what happened.
And and now I just accept that Iget crazy ideas.

(08:32):
And if the idea is crystallizedenough to where I can see it, I
can build it.
And if I see it where I canbuild it, I charge at it because
I feel somehow the universewants me to.
And and that has led me to dosome really crazy things that
turned out to be I really thinkthe universe needed me to do
this.
And I yeah, I'll watch, I'llwalk you through a really recent

(08:54):
example of that if you want meto.

SPEAKER_00 (08:56):
Um Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But before you go into it, canyou so the near-death experience
happened in 2009?
Correct.
And I know you say you don'tremember, but is there anything
like, do you know what happenedto you?
Um, you know, and and what wasthat experience like before we
kind of go into some of theother stuff?

SPEAKER_03 (09:16):
Um I went for a jog that morning.

unknown (09:19):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (09:20):
And um, from an eyewitness, I I usually finished
a a jog with a sprint.
It was kind of like something Ialways did was get my heart rate
at max.
And the last hundred yards of atwo-mile run would be full
sprint.
And the bystander uh who watchedit said he didn't understand why

(09:41):
I just decided to jump into theair and land to the face.
And the reason for that is thatyou have forward momentum and
your brain stops.
You know, so you're you'rerunning, so you have the
velocity, the momentum, and youjust pop and your legs fall out.
It looks like each ar becauseyou're literally free-falling
down on the pavement.

(10:02):
And you can't see it on thecamera, but this maybe you can.
This scar is where I landed.
Oh wow.
You can kind of see it a littlebit.
A little bit.
I and I have a so I I arrive atthe um Advent Health Hospital in
downtown Orlando, and they admitme, well, they don't admit me,

(10:24):
they they bring me in uh um DOAthat on arrival.
Um so so my emergency room entryis sudden death.
And, you know, whether you wantto bring faith into a
conversation or not, is I wasthe first patient, let's say, to
Florida, who was frozen.

(10:47):
And they brought my internal,they call it uh cold ice, I
think, or coat ice.
And they bring your internalbody temperature down to two
degrees above freezing, um, sothat you don't it can't be at
zero because then you form icecrystals.
So to prevent the formation ofice crystals, it's two, it's a
few degrees above the freezingpoint.

(11:08):
And the purpose of that is, andthe research on that was the
people who would fall on thefrozen lakes and be there for
two hours and could be revived.
And that those experiences youknow led to the the development
of a this protocol.
So I was a according to thenurse, I don't know that you
know, maybe I'm wrong, maybethis is not, but according to

(11:29):
the nurse, I was the firstpatient, at least within the
Advent Health System, and shebelieved I was the first patient
in Florida that was done onthat.
But they they had yeah, that soum what's it what's fascinating
is both my brothers arephysicians, and my middle

(11:50):
brother has is on staff at thathospital.
So he's he's sitting at theterminal going through my MRI
and the never talking to theneurologist.
And I had um I was it was a purevegetative coma.
So I'm I'm the only the onlyrecommendation from neurology

(12:11):
was discontinued life support.
And because the you know thatwhat was said to my family was
that if I did come out of it, Iwould spend the rest of my life
in a nursing home in awheelchair drill drooling down
my chin without recognition ofanybody.
That's that was that was myfuture.

(12:31):
And can't trust doctors, that'sfor sure.
Well, it went so far that my umthey had purchased the funeral
plot next to my pick my parents.

SPEAKER_02 (12:42):
Wow.

SPEAKER_03 (12:43):
And the the the contact, my brother's wife has a
family member who's involved ina funeral home.
And the so the the funeral homearrangements were made, the
burial plot was made, and thedecision to discontinue life
support on this particular daywas made.
And that morning I opened myeyes and I extivated myself,

(13:06):
setting off the alarm in thenurse's station.
Of which everyone said, What doyou you know, did you see a
tunnel?
Did you see a light?
Did you no saw nothing?
No, nothing.
Right.
Um but there are marks of thatexperience.
Um the the dreaming, the the thewaking up with an idea, or isn't

(13:30):
something I can ever rememberhappening before the near-death
experience.
Uh my balance is cut is off.
Um and I and I'm an insomniac,whereas before I before the
near-death experience, I had noproblem sleeping, immediately
after, a lot of problemssleeping.

(13:51):
Um so I I, you know, there therewere physiological changes from
the brain injury, no doubt.
Um but I had no recollection ofwhat happened.
And everybody's like, did yousee, did you, did you see a
little tunnel of light?
Or I'm like, nope, nothing.
Zero memory.
But I you know, I I would tellyou I know for a fact that event

(14:15):
changed me because I I have thispreoccupation with the nexus of
life and death that haspersisted.
Um I've had this obsession withtime in general.
You know, in fact, if you lookat the at the invention history,
everything is everything isfrantic and rushed.

(14:35):
One device, next device, nextdevice, next device, next
device, build a factory, move.
And you know, somebody said, youknow, every every single move
since then is its own career.
You know, most people develop acompany that builds CPAP
equipment, and that's a career.
And I I jump every device todevice to device to device to

(14:58):
device, and it's always a senseof impending timeline and
deadline.
And I don't know where the wherethe I mean, I guess
psychologically I could saytouching death makes me aware of
the finality of life, maybe.
Um, but I do feel like wheneverI get an idea that I I I see it

(15:19):
in crystal clarity, associatedwith that is always this urge
sense of urgency that I have todo it, have to do it, have to do
it, and has to be done now.
And and that makes me feel weirdbecause weird things happen when
that happens.
And I can I can and I don't liketo talk about it, and for 20

(15:39):
years I've never talked aboutit.
Um, but I I'll just, you know, II could give you that the last
example is building an IVfactory.

SPEAKER_00 (15:50):
Yeah, hit us with the hit us with that.

SPEAKER_03 (15:52):
Yeah, so I I sell 3B Medical, which is the company I
built, which is where Icommercialize most of the med
devices.
And I get an idea that I have tobuild an IV fluid factory.
And and and that's that's aninsanity because I have no
experience in pharmaceuticalmanufacturing.

(16:12):
I I have no nexus to pharmaceupharmaceutical operation.
I don't know anything about it.
I'm the last person who shouldthink I could build an automated
factory.
Um, and yet I I I actually cansee it in my head, and I know
exactly what I want.
And I start sketching it, youknow, I see the building, I I

(16:32):
can see the line in my head.
And now I'm now I'm building tofulfill an image that I can see.
And I I I can't explain that,but I'll tell you what happened
when I did it.
So I got the certificate ofoccupancy in March of um 2000.

(16:55):
This is 26, 25, 24.
March of 24, um, I getcertificate of occupancy, and
and because I'm rushed, I don'tknow why I'm rushed, but I'm
rushed.
I'm literally building out theproduction line on a concrete
slab and building the walls atthe same time around it, and
then putting the roof on.

(17:17):
And and wow, and everyone toldme four to five years to build a
pharma facility, I did it in 18months.
And and it and it and I had thissense that I had to do it.
And the weird thing about thatis Hurricane Helene strikes in
September.
And Hurricane Helene takes outthe number one Ivy factory in

(17:40):
the United States.
It's in um North Cove, NorthCarolina, Baxter Healthcare.
And I literally completed thefactory.
I I mean the dates are just it'sin the public record, the
newspaper articles.
I literally complete the factoryone month before the Baxter
facility gets taken down.

(18:02):
And the United States healthcaresystem gets thrown into a
whirlwind because that's 60% ofthe IV fluid made in the United
States.
So I was rushing for a reason,but Lord knows where where I
knew that reason was comingfrom.
And I didn't make the best line,which is what frustrated me
because of the the wholegovernment permitting the

(18:23):
licensure part of it.
But I I did have it finishedjust in time.
And I can't.

SPEAKER_02 (18:30):
Wow.

SPEAKER_03 (18:31):
I can't.
I have a good friend of mine whoI respect a lot.
Um, he's a physician.
But that that's that's oneexample.
And he says, he uses, he usedthe expression, Alex, you're the
only guy I know who has caughtlightning in his hand three
times.
And I don't know how you do it.
You know, that was thatconversation was only a year

(18:52):
ago, and I wasn't willing toeven talk about the subject
then.
I didn't get to the point whereI was comfortable even
discussing the near-deathexperience pretty much until I
finished building the IV fluidplant, and I've kind of already
retired from it.
Um, because I think the retiringfrom that project gave me the

(19:12):
freedom to now it's like, youknow, I can I can openly say I'm
a crazy man and it doesn'tmatter.
Because, you know, I mean, youcan call me crazy all day long,
but crazy successful makes sensefor crazy crazy.
So I, you know, but but I don'tknow where that comes from.
And I I I don't have a logicalreason for it.

(19:34):
And um, you know, unless youwant to get into the mystics,
mystical side of near-deathexperiences and what maybe maybe
planting your toe in heaven andwhat that does.
I don't know.
I I don't have any, I don't haveanswers to any of that.

SPEAKER_00 (19:48):
Yeah, I mean, by the typically by the time you do,
uh, you can't tell anybody.
You know, uh, at least with yourmouth and and have a
conversation about it.
Um, you know, it's funny, I Imention this all the time.
So, you know, this podcast hasbeen around for about four years
now.
And I think in the first year,maybe it was the first year and
a half, I had a death duel on myshow.

(20:11):
And um, you know, because I dealwith death a lot, and you know,
obviously one of the questions Iask, if if death comes up, I
always tend to ask people, well,what are your thoughts?
What do you think happens whenyou die?
And uh the death duel, uh, Imentioned this a couple times,
but it just fucking freaks meout because she's just like, Do
you remember when you were inthe womb?
And I'm like, No, or anythingbefore that.

(20:32):
I'm like, no.
She's like, that's what I thinkhappens when you die.
And I'm like, oh, that is notwhat I thought you were gonna
say.
I thought you were gonna havesome like sunshine and rainbow
shit, you know.
Um, but I also read a couplebooks on uh death and uh
spirituality, like in terms notnot like the you know uh Jesus

(20:52):
and God and Christianity and allthat, but like spirituality,
right?
Well, your soul.
And uh, you know, a doctor uh II talked about this in the past
too, but a doctor had, you know,uh put people into hypnosis and
they were talking about theirpast lives and they were going
into crazy amounts of detail andthey kind of detailed the you

(21:13):
know uh hierarchy structure ofof the way things are when you
when you go.
And uh, you know, as I'vestarted to age, you think about
it more, right?
And I I I I haven't reallydefined what my thoughts are,
but I feel like, you know, andthis you can tell me what you
think, right?
I think there's definitelysomething after what it is, I

(21:36):
don't know.
Um, I do think that a lot of thethings that we do here, you
know, there there's a purposethat we have.
And I don't think we know it.
Some people might, right?
And they do it.
Uh, but I think a lot of usdon't know our purpose.
And I think that that, you know,there's a lot of things that we,
you know, came back toaccomplish or in this life are
supposed to accomplish.
And if you don't, you know, it'skind of you go back, you review

(21:59):
your life.
You come back and you have thatpurpose again and you try to do
it or whatever the case is,right?
Um I think that's kind of whereI'm at right now.
But I I also think that, youknow, there's definitely got to
be a a being that created allthis or set everything in
motion.
Do I know what that is?
No.
But, you know, you see religionand um, you know, you see

(22:22):
Christianity and Hinduism andall that.
And ultimately, at the end ofthe day, right, there's a
there's something.
There's a uh, you know, agodlike figure that created
these things.
So a lot of these majorreligions, that's what they kind
of fall on.
Now, if you get into Greekmythology, it's a little
different.
I know you did your your uh youknow kind of uh studies for 20
years.
So hit us, man.

(22:43):
Like, what do you think happens?
Like what what along yourstudies would you run into?
Do you know?

SPEAKER_03 (22:48):
Um I I was on an interview the other day, and you
know, sometimes you have to becareful because you can get
incredibly repetitive on stuffsometimes, the more you keep
talking the stories.
But um, I brought up it cameout, and the the uh podcaster
mentioned the interdimensionalnature of NHIs.

(23:10):
And you know, because there aretwo camps.
The the kind of like theSpielberg movie coming out next
week, which is the they're fromouter space, the lights in the
sky, they're scary, and they'rewe don't know what they're what
they're about.
Yeah.
And then you have the uhCongresswoman um Luna and the

(23:32):
Polina Luna, who is in thecongressional hearings, and she
comes out and she calls theminterdimensional.
And that that's a little bitmore interesting to me because I
actually think the well, I'llseparate, I'll I'll get into the
near death and death, but beforeI do, I'll I'll get into this
whole UFO NHI stuff.
And I I there's a to me, atleast it's the way I connect

(23:54):
dots, they're linked together.
And I think them this way.
And I look at the microbiallife, and even the insect life,
and you know, the varieties arein the tens of thousands.
And I do think I I am a I dofirmly fall in the camp of there
is a god, just because the thethe notion of not being a god

(24:19):
with the level of the increasinglevel, not having a god requires
um that you don't haveirreducible complexity the
farther off you go and thesmaller you go.
And yet the smaller you go, youfind increased complexity.
You know, the cellular level,mitochondria and whatever, even
to genetics.
You know, I think the the notionthat that life could be

(24:42):
simplistically definedoriginated when the idea that
people thought of cells assimple structures.
And they just thought that youkept increasingly getting more
complex as you evolved.
And and the record's actuallythe opposite of that, which is
you have this incrediblecomplexity that actually becomes
more complex the the smaller yougo.

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So you even get into quantum andand you know, or or you know,
you talk about what's requiredfor sight, and and you find that
the systems get more complexthan the smaller you go, even to
the microscopic andsubmicroscopic, you get into
incredible complexity.
So from that, I I I I you know,my my takeaway from that is that

(25:26):
everything I learned in saygrowing up, that you had this
evolutionary system that addedthe complexity and you started
from a simple cell, well thatgoes out the window because that
that's no longer factuallytenable as a position,
logically.
That takes that takes anincredible amount of fantasy.

(25:46):
So then you're left with, okay,so the universe is more complex,
and the smaller in scale you gofrom the macro to the micro, the
more complex, not the less.
And then that does require acreative mind.
And then even getting into thegenetic code, which is now
clearly a logical construct,it's a program that you can

(26:08):
manipulate.
And the danger there is, ofcourse, men learned how to
manipulate it, so that you endup with some crazy things going
on.
But even that speaks to the factthat you literally the code of
life is code.
And and that that at that point,the the idea that you have
random, random things happeningthat somehow, you know,

(26:30):
coincided into life forming, isI I I just think that requires
magic.
And and I, you know, that that'sa step too far for me.
I actually think the God ideabecomes the far more logical um
way to frame it.
You know, and um then I, youknow, one of the books I read a

(26:51):
while back, which has fascinatedme as a thought experiment, was
a little tiny book, uh, not morethan a quarter of an inch thick,
called Flatland.
Have you ever heard of it?
No, no, no.
So it's it's kind of a writtenin the late 1800s.
Um, I forgot the author's name,but it's it's a it's a pretty

(27:11):
interesting thought experiment.
It wasn't written that way, butI read it that way.
And it it basically um you knowtakes a lambda two-dimensional,
it's flat, and it gets visitedby a three-dimensional being.
And, you know, if you justconsider the notion of a not a

(27:33):
great cube, but assume this is acube.
Yeah, and the cube is passing aplane.
When the cube touches the plane,it's a point.
As the cube traverses the plane,it becomes a rectangle that
becomes larger and larger andlarger and larger as you get to
the middle, and then becomessmaller and smaller and smaller

(27:54):
and smaller, and then vanishesas a point.
And from there, you know, Ideduce that one of the one of
the hallmarks of aninterdimensional being
intersecting a lower dimensionis that the you are defying the
laws of physics and changingphysical shape and disappearing.
And that fits to me a lot of theNHI phenomena.

(28:17):
You know, in and out of ourexistence, in and out of our
existence, that to me isinterdimensionality.
Then you have the recoveredspace programs, which to me are
totally different becausewhoever's interdimensional
doesn't need a spacecraft withlanding lights.
That notion is is is so in myhead, and I I don't know where

(28:40):
this goes, and I I could be asfoolish as an expert, but I I I
got really deep into thephenomena, and I separated the
orbs from everything else.
And and in my or in my mind, atleast the way I connect the
dots, the orbs are thesupernatural element, they're

(29:01):
the interdimensionalpassageways.
And the the lights in the sky,I'm I'm skeptical of just
because I also the so what's onthe back wall is a series of
patents, if something like 26 ofthem, it's what I do, and and I
spend a lot of time on thepatent database.

(29:22):
And you know, one of thequirkiest things is if you do
that, if you just watch StarTrek and you take all of the
concepts from Star Trek, OrbDrive, Any Gravity, um, you
know, uh everything that thatthat spaceship enterprise does,
you could literally find apatent for it.

(29:44):
And the patents are assigned toLockheed Martin, Northrop, and
Raytheon.
And I read patents for a livingsometimes, and I read those, and
I'm like, this is so weird,because um you you could run a
pretty intensive side op on aninvasion scenario just using the

(30:06):
patented technology that I thinkis reverse-engineered by North
Rock, Lockheed, and Raytheon.
And so then playfully, I'm like,okay, the lights in the sky, I
don't believe that.
The orbs and the NHI isinterdimensional from Analuna
congressional testimony.
I believe that.

(30:27):
That to me is the authentic NHIexperience.
And I think it's being masked insome part.
And this is just my tinfoil haton and all that kind of stuff.
I think the lights in the skyare mostly us um trying to
deceive us from theinterdimensional variety of NHI.

(30:50):
So I think there's this techNHI, recovered,
reverse-engineered, uh,extraterrestrial life, because I
think the universe is teemingwith life anyway.
And I think you have these,that's not the supernatural
element of NHI, and I think theycoexist.
And then you get to, you know,in that congressional hearing,
they bridled the book of Enoch.

(31:12):
And I so I ordered it and readit.
And uh, and and the book ofEnoch is interesting because it
defines this whole Watchersconcept, and um, and that's kind
of I think where the where thecongresswoman was coming from,
more trying to understand it ina spiritual way.
I think, I think, I think all ofthat is true.

(31:33):
I don't think they're mutuallyexclusive.
I think there is a, you know,that the inner an
interdimensional entity is aspiritual entity.
Because an interdimensionalentity is in your reality and
right next to you, and you don'teven know it.
Right?
I mean, where is where is 5D?
It's in front of you, it's inyou, it's by you.

(31:55):
And, you know, I go back to thatbook, Flatland, and you know,
what are the, you know, taketake your I was you know, take
the notions, uh, let's let'stake the notion of Christian
God, which is that the the Godis outside of time, outside of
space, and all knowing.

(32:15):
And, you know, you think aboutwhat those properties are, and
that is a dimensional, but thoseare those are attributes of
higher dimensionality in thisway.
Now you take a peanuts comicstrip, and to the character in
the comic strip, his future isthe next pain over.
He doesn't know it until he getsit.

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To the reader, you're lookingdown at the comic strip.
You know, he sees past, you seehis present, you see his future,
like that.
Because being outside of thatdimension gives you the benefit
of being able to see everythingin that lower dimension.
You can you can put your hand,an ant going to a maze doesn't

(32:57):
know his future.
You look into the maze as a asoutside it, and you see a spider
ahead of him, you know exactlywhat the ant's future is.
And it's not magic, it'sdimensionality.
And in my mind, there was noseparation between spiritual
realm, because I think thespiritual realm is just a
different way of calling thedimensional realm.

(33:20):
And and and so that that's kindof how I pieced that together.
And then the the last componentof that is what is
consciousness.
Who are you?
Where are you?
And I near death experiencesinform me that um that's
dimensional.
And so what is death?

(33:41):
Where was where was I for threedays?
I was right here, and and I justwasn't, you know, here.
But I was still around.
I mean, I didn't cease to exist.
My brain had zero activity, soI'm flatlined, I have no brain,
but I existed.

(34:02):
And I'm pretty sure I existedbecause I can't still here.
That forces you to kind ofthink, okay, well, what who are
who are you?
Where are you?
And then if I wasn't here forthree days, and I was still
right here, that's near death,right?
And and I can only, I could onlylogically, the only logical

(34:25):
construct for that for me was adimensional one.
And that dimensional one lendsitself to a spiritual one
because I think the spiritualpeople and the people talking
interdimensionally are talkingabout the same thing.
And then I think life and deathliterally becomes being raised
to so if you if you know, Ithink it was um one of the

(34:49):
ZUFOLists, Bob Lazar, who saidthe according to him, and you
could take that as far as youwant, and yeah, I don't know.
I think probably smokingmarijuana helps in these.

SPEAKER_00 (35:02):
So ayahuasca, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (35:05):
Well, Bob Bob Lazar said that an alien told him they
referred to humans as containersof souls.
And I kind of like that umbecause it it gave me, it
actually gave me a visualizationof what I was thinking, which is
that consciousness, you know,has to reside.
It has to re there has to be areceiving side of it, which is

(35:25):
who you are.
But there that's not your,you're not, it's not your
origin, and it's not your end.
And if it's not your origin,it's not your end, then death,
death folds really neatly intothis.
Because then, you know, I know Iknow you know you usually it's
not a great idea to startdiscussing scripture because you
don't know where everybody is,but there is there is one line

(35:50):
um in the New Testament whichfascinates me.
Because nobody in, you know, yousay religion, nobody, nobody in
religion mentions it.
But of all things, it's the linethat that kind of had me, I got
excited about it.
Um uh, therefore we aresurrounded by so great a cloud

(36:13):
of witnesses.
And and you know, everyeverybody who who's a really
strong believer reads that andjust like okay.
I read that and I'm like, whoacloud of witnesses, they're
right here, they are right here.
Because I I I see death as beingright next to the present, just

(36:34):
one dimension removed.
And then and then what is death?
I think it's ascension to thatdimension.
And what is birth?
It's descension into your form.
And that kind of wrapped it allup pretty neatly for me.
And then I had a model, and thatwas the model I went with.
It was the model that allowed meto impose a logical construct

(36:55):
over life and death that madesense to me.
And that framework actuallyinformed the kind of the novel a
little bit, the science fictionpart of it, which is how an NHI,
you know, in the novel, I referto the fact that ancient
civilizations and all ofhumanity is being guided by a

(37:17):
whisper campaign.
And uh, and and that is informedby my kind of my idea of waking
up with ideas.
Then I started to form a anentire worldview, that the
leaders of our world, theinventors, the musicians, wake
up with ideas and nobody knowswho's giving them the idea.

(37:40):
And that's why I say that human,the progression of human
civilization was a whispercampaign.
And and and the whisperersweren't always benevolent.
You know, you you have a lot ofweird things in culturally that
persist and continue persisting.
And I think, you know, you getinto the duality of good and
evil.

(38:01):
And a whisper campaign lendsitself perfectly to the notion
of good and evil.
Because there was a painting,the I guess it's the I don't
know, the Fa Faustian bargain orsomething that has the devil
whispering and a man to hear andan angel on the other side,
like, oh no, don't do it.
Yeah.
And in my my near-deathexperience kind of leads me to

(38:23):
believe there's a little bit ofan element of that, in the sense
that I don't think what we knowwhere inspiration, both good and
bad, come from.
And whether you want to getspiritual and call it angelic or
demonic, or you want to um takea step away from that and say,
okay, it's an there are there isNHI phenomena interacting with

(38:43):
human civilization.
And and I would still say that'sa that's probably a whispered
campaign.
I don't know.
It's as good of a theory asanyone else has.

SPEAKER_00 (38:53):
I gotta tell you, what you said that that kind of
blew my mind, because I neverthought about it like that.
And that's this is why I lovehaving these conversations, is
is the looking at the cartoonstrip, right?
Because you don't think about itthat way.
And that's a really good,because you know past, present,
future, right?
You see what's going on right infront of you.
And it's the same concept withthe maze you said, right?

(39:16):
You know what's gonna happenthere.
Um, that is a really, reallygood way to look at it.
And I I think there's there'struth to that, you know.
Um there's been there's beentimes in my life where I've had
a consistent nagging thought ora consistent nagging, like,
don't do this or you should dothis.

(39:37):
And typically, if I followthrough with it, it's a
life-changing thing.
So, and it's like, do I, was itgood?
Like, what would have happenedif I would have stuck the other
way?
Would I be dead right now?
Like, like, like what is what isthat guiding principle?
Is it intuition or am I tappinginto some sort of, you know, um,

(40:02):
I don't know, you know, like arewe multi-dimensional beings?
Like, can sometimes we tap you,you know, you I see a lot of
stuff about the uh Mandelaeffect, right?
And it's like, you know, did weor are we steadily kind of
jumping timelines, right?
Bernstein Bears and uh, youknow, the the fucking um the

(40:24):
whatchamacallit in in the fruitof the loom logo, uh the uh what
the hell is that called?
Cornucopia, right?
Is it you know that type ofthing?
Like, because I remember thatthe cornucopia being there, man.
Where'd it go?
Like uh, you know, a lot ofpeople say stuff, you know, you
got um a lot of people blameCERN.
I don't know if that'snecessarily uh who to blame uh

(40:48):
CERN, you know, the uh you knowthe uh hydro collider, hydro,
whatever that was.

SPEAKER_03 (40:54):
It's actually the uh CERN CERN is in chapter one of
the book.
Oh nice.
It's the opening of the portal.
The the the the Hadron Collidercauses a rupture, opens a
portal, which is when the twoNHIs, one good and one bad, jump
through.
So the literally chapter onestarts in CERN.

SPEAKER_00 (41:16):
That's that's pretty funny.
So, you know, you are a smartguy, right?
And I think that's um, you know,any of you that are listening to
this right now, right?
You know the illustration fromchapter one.
There you go.
There it is right there.
That that's kind of that's kindof funny because I it just that

(41:37):
I that thing just popped in myhead.
I'm like, yeah, like CERN,right?
But this this guy, you'rewatching this on YouTube, he's
got you can see all of hispatents on on the wall, right?
Well, only six of the 26, right?
Um and this guy is an educatedguy, he's smart, he knows his
shit, and he he thinks.
And I've always been a more of athinker than a than a you know,

(41:59):
a scientific person.
Like I still see it when Ibelieve it type person.
You know, you got someone thatspent their life trying to
figure this out, and this iswhat he's saying, right?
So you you you gotta thinkoutside the box.
I think um, you know, there's somany, and I I I'm sure I'll piss
someone off because I've saidthis before as well.
But Christianity, at some point,by the way, and I I'm a

(42:20):
Catholic, I was baptized asCatholic, Christianity was a
cult, people, at some point,right?
They they practiced in thebasement.
And if if people saw thempracticing in in public, they
would be murdered and hung.
You know.

SPEAKER_03 (42:32):
Let me give you a theological concept which kind
of will blow your mind.
Hit me.
Catholic theology is deep inphysics, and no priest
understands it, and the Catholiclaity don't understand it, and
the Protestants have no clue asto what the Catholic belief is.

(42:54):
But um, and I thought about thisa lot just because I'm into time
and consciousness and thingslike that.
But consider, do you remember asa growing-up Catholic, do you
remember the what the Eucharistwas defined as?
Um, it was defined literally asthe body and blood of Christ.
And the actual teaching is thatat the moment of consecration,

(43:19):
it's the same event as the LastSupper and the Passion at the
moment, such that, so this isthis is actually a patristical
teaching from 2,000 years ago.
And the early church fatherssaid that every mass said
throughout the world fulfillsthe prophecy that a time and

(43:39):
place would come when a perfectmass was offered throughout the
world at the same time.
And so there the notion thatwhen you're sitting in the
church and the priest is saying,holds the Eucharist up and says
the body and blood of Christ,that you are literally at the
moment of Jesus at the table inthe upper room.

(44:00):
Doing the blessing of the breadand the wine at the Last Supper.
And this has been a consistentconcept, but nobody actually has
thought about it or focused onit.
But it's actually alleging thatthere is a dart through time
2,000 years ago to the presentthat recreates that moment in
reality, not to notsymbolically, not figuratively,

(44:25):
but the priest is in, this isjust deep Catholic theology, but
the priest is acting in whatthey call the altus christi,
that in the moment at thataltar, that is Jesus Christ.
The priest is Jesus Christholding the bread at the
Passover.
So the the representation of theMass is a time travel anecdote.

(44:49):
And it's actually an anecdotethat says that the time
collapses, and that Jesus, thatthat sacrifice is persistent
throughout the entire history oftime.
And that that to me floored mebecause, you know, from the
physics side of that, huh?
That's a wild concept, man.

(45:10):
It is so wild.
But but think that 2,000 yearsago, they were literally
teaching a mystical momentoutside of time and space.
And then every moment sincethen, the priest is actually
taking part in that ritual thatmakes time and space collapse

(45:30):
into that moment at the LastSupper.
And not a single Catholic in theworld, the Pope doesn't even
realize this.
I don't I would bet if I askedthe Pope, what does that mean?
He wouldn't, he would beclueless because the the entire
notion of the non-locality ofquantum is alien to faith.
The entire notion that the masscould be live outside of time

(45:51):
and space would freak out everybeliever.
And no Christian would everexpress the communion in that
way.
But when I understood it thatway, I was like, this is fat,
this is amazing.
It's like you guys have no ideawhat what you believe.

(46:11):
I wanted almost grab the grab apriest and go, I gotta teach you
the faith.
You don't understand it.

SPEAKER_00 (46:17):
You also should be a little bit of a scientist here.
I need you to understand thisshit.

SPEAKER_03 (46:22):
But but you know, that that is that is the claim
though.
And that that's that is a thatis a a very deep claim to make.
And and nobody nobody gets it.
Nobody gets it.
I I have just thrown that ideaout.
Like, you know, you're real, andand like, no, no, no.
And and but that that is what,you know, my that's actually

(46:44):
that's what they mean when theysay it's actually the flesh and
blood of Jesus.
It's not symbolic.
You're there.
And and the whole idea is like,you're there.
What is it?
And then it's like, no, you'reliterally there.
Go watch the passion of Christ,you're at that moment.
And then you look around in thechurch and you're like, I don't
think anybody here realizesthat.
I don't think the guy who's, youknow, kind of sitting at the

(47:06):
altar doing it even understandswhat he's doing.
He's just repeating the wordsand going through the motions.
But if you were mysticallyinclined to look at it that way,
I think you'd have to fall onyour face at that moment.

SPEAKER_00 (47:20):
And now, you know, obviously the Bible talks a lot
of there's a lot of symbolismabout aliens and shit in the
Bible, like all over the place,right?
And even even drawlings, like ifyou go back to, you know,
ancient Mesopotamia and all thatother shit, there's there's like
drawings that you you seeflaming chariots in the sky,

(47:40):
like all this crazy stuff.
And you're like, all right, Iknow there's dreamers and people
that think outside the box, butcome on.

SPEAKER_03 (47:48):
There's gotta be some there's a 14th century
painting with a blind saucerabove the crucifi above the
cross, above the Jesus beingcrucified.
And and then, you know, youwanna you want to get you wanna
get funny with it.
And I gotta be careful becausesome of you know, I some a lot
of people I know will takeoffense at some of this stuff,

(48:08):
but and I don't know why,because I I think ideas you have
to turn them around in yourhead, or else you're you're not
being honest with yourself.
And I have fun with it because II don't find anything as a
challenge or or or a threat toanything.
But you know, just take thisstory, take a couple of stories.
Take this story um three wisemen follow a star.

SPEAKER_02 (48:30):
Right?

SPEAKER_03 (48:31):
We all we grew up thinking that.
Yep.
And and then you watch thesesome of the UFO films, right?
You have the orbs.
You're like, well, wait aminute.
What what if three wise men arefollowing an orb?
That's true.
How would that that wouldactually be more logical?

unknown (48:51):
Right?

SPEAKER_03 (48:51):
You wouldn't you wouldn't take a star from the
heaven and have to follow it,and the star would move in the
heaven.
But these orbs that everybody isnow seeing are true.
Yeah, I think they're allpretending to see them, or
actually seeing them.
But I haven't seen any.

SPEAKER_00 (49:06):
But if these orbs we saw some here, man, in the
northeast in Philadelphia.
Oh, yeah, we we saw there wasorbs in the sky, and it was
documented, and and actuallythey had to the the White House
had to come out and say, Oh, theyeah, it would they were doing
some tests or something.
They they never really told theydidn't tell you they were
drones, nothing.
There was just orbs everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 (49:26):
But the orbs I think are are the most fascinating of
the phenomena because uh back towhat I was saying, I think the
orbs are actuallyinterdimensional.
I think that's the angelic side,if if you were so inclined to
think there's there's a there'sa separation of phenomena.
But but then it was like, okay,so three wise men are following
an orb that leads on to the theChrist child.

(49:46):
I I actually find that probablymore logical than following a
star.
And then and then um, you knowthe Fatima story with the
children saw that the sun dancedand they saw a lady of light.
And there's a UFO guy that keepsgetting invited to the White

(50:09):
House and the Department ofDefense.
His name is Chris Bloodsoe.
And um he seems to be, at leastthe government seems to think
that he's pretty well connectedto the phenomena that they talk
to him, see him, and evenphysiological readings of his
body are now different.
And I don't know what to make ofthat, but I bought his book and

(50:31):
I read that too.
It's called UFO of God.
And what was fascinating to me,particularly growing up
Catholic, is the Fatima story.
Because Chris Chris isn'tCatholic.
Chris talks about being visitedby a lady of light or lady in
white, and his description ofher is identical to the

(50:52):
children's description of Maryat Fatima.
So then I was like, okay, so theMary and apparition Fatima and
Chris Bledsoe's alien, thedescriptions are identical.
And then the phenomena that thechildren see along with 10,000

(51:13):
people is that the sun dancesand it's witnessed by 10,000
people, actually makes the paperin New York City, um, because
it's photographed.
And this isn't that long.
I mean, this is in the 1900s, soit's not like ancient stuff.
And then you're like, okay,well, now that gets fascinating
because the sun dancing is alsoa lot of the stuff you see in

(51:39):
the sky with the UFO phenomena.
So I I read, I read, you canread the account of Fatima from
100 years ago, and then you canread Chris Bledsoe's book about
a UFO encounter, and you putthem side by side.
Okay, one is talking throughfaith and Christ and Virgin
Mary, and the other one istalking UFO and alien and

(52:02):
phenomenology.
And literally, description-wise,it's identical.
And, you know, I think I thinkthe best position to take in
life is an open-minded, somewhatskeptical, but somewhat open
acceptance of if somethingproves to be true, don't run

(52:22):
from it.
Because I think I think if thoseare your rules, you're grounded.

SPEAKER_00 (52:28):
You know?
I just downloaded his bookbecause you've given me a
couple, you gave me a couplegood books.
I I I'm a uh audiobook guy, so Ilisten to audiobooks because I
hate listening to the radio.

SPEAKER_03 (52:38):
And I'm like, Flatland will be flatland will
be a quick one because flatlandthe book is only this thick.
But it's Yeah, that was one.
Let me see.
Uh actually, you know what Iwould do if I were you?
I would actually go on Amazonand buy it.
It's like$3.
And the reason is is the authorsketched, um, he sketched out

(52:59):
Flatland.
So he has this little, he hashis little sketches of 3D, you
know, 3D passing through 2D.
It's just kind of cute.
It almost looks when you flipthrough the book like a kid's
book.
But when you read it, itdefinitely is not for a kid.
It's definitely not for a kid.

SPEAKER_00 (53:16):
I'll check it out.
I'll check out the if likesometimes I feel like those
books like that, you need thethe pictures because it helps
kind of dictate, you know, theunderstanding of the principles.

SPEAKER_03 (53:26):
I just thought it was it was a it was a very
non-technical read, and that yetit had my mind going into all
kinds of physics.
And and that's actually the signof a really good book, because
if the ideas seed, you know,that keep stays in your head and
keep seeding new ideas.
That's what that makes the thatmeans the material was really

(53:47):
interesting.

SPEAKER_00 (53:48):
Yeah, I listen to a ton of sci-fi books.
That's like my my thing.
And a lot of the sci-fi books Ido read have very good physics.
They they they talk about shitthat is definitely real that who
knows when it's gonna exist, youknow.

SPEAKER_03 (54:04):
I mean Interstellar wasn't was a was a a weird
novel, deep novel.
And and and I think I think thewriter is a physicist.
So I you know, I I I think Ithink I think novels bringing
bringing complex subjects intofiction, particularly
controversial subjects intofiction, let you get away with a
lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (54:25):
Yeah, like um Project Hail Mary.
I don't know if you saw themovie, but um I I saw the movie
come out, and I'm like, allright, I I heard it was a book,
so I I just read the book.
And the physics in that it is ispretty good.
I mean, they talk a lot aboutstuff that, you know, I mean,
some of it's doesn't exist, youknow.
Astrophage in the in the book isis basically a single-cell life

(54:46):
form that can generate heat tolike 94.5 degrees Celsius, and
it could be basically infinitepower.
Um, and that's what they use touh power spaceships, and you can
get there, you know, to tocertain places, but they explain
all the technology behind it,which leads me to believe that
you know, who knows if therecould be something along those

(55:07):
lines that does exist.
You know, you had all thosescientists that just disappeared
that were working on uh, youknow, uh of its own.
Yeah, we don't we don't need youout of here, Alex.
You know, we we gotta we gottaslow down on that.
But uh look, we're we're gettingclose to the hour mark, so I
don't I don't want to forget totalk about this real quick, but
you know, you had mentioned it.
Talk a little bit about yourbook.
It's the weight of a dog.

SPEAKER_03 (55:29):
So um the novel is basically my thinking of 20
years, turned into a fictionalstory.
And the fictional story, um, youknow, I I have an author's note
at the end, which is kind of whyI wrote the book, which is real.
It was real enough to where mywife, when she read it, it's

(55:51):
like I remember exactly thatmoment.
I could see it on your face.
And I write that I I'm aworkaholic, and I think I missed
most of my life just working,which is I it's how I have fun.
I don't know how to have funwithout working.
But um, I was on my laptop andmy bulldog is at my feet and he

(56:12):
does this thing with this likehe wants to play, just pause
your leg.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I'mworking.
And I show him away, and Ilaptop when working.
And I had my three-year-oldgranddaughter, Luna, climbs up
on my lap, and she's yeah, Icall her my monkey because it in
her when she was two and three,she had this habit of just kind
of like being a spider along myback and over my head and hands

(56:36):
in my eye.
You know, anybody with kids willyou know relate to that.
Oh, yeah.
Luna wants to crawl on me.
And again, I'm busy and I'mactually doing something very
technical.
And I I start to move Luna offmy lap, and I look down and I
see my dog's just looking at me.
And I look at Luna and I look atmy dog, and and and this is this

(57:00):
is like such a really simplethought.
And for whatever reason, thiswas a profound moment for me.
I shut the laptop and I get downon the floor, and I'm like, you
know, I wrote in the author'snote, she's three, he's a dog,
they don't understand.
And I stopped working at thatmoment, and I caught myself, and
I and as I'm playing with themand I'm playing with my

(57:21):
granddaughter, it was thatmoment I was like, that's the
only thing that matters in life.
And I missed my entire life, Imissed it.
I didn't see any of it, and Iwas I wasn't really present.
And so the the concept of beingpresent pervades all through the
novel.
The novel, some of the reviewson Amazon surprised me.

(57:43):
There's like 50 reviews, andthey're all most of them are
really surprisingly good.

SPEAKER_00 (57:49):
Um especially given Amazon reviews.

SPEAKER_03 (57:53):
Yeah, yeah, I expected to get the you know,
this sucks kind of thing.
Oh yeah.
The haters, man, the haters.
Yeah, well, most of them aresaying that they cried, and I
didn't know I was writing acrying book.
I didn't mean to.
And um, that's what you get whenyou kill the dog in the end, I
guess.
But anyway.
That's not a giveaway becausethat that doesn't tell you the

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story at all.
And actually, that's not that'sa trick ending, doesn't it?
Uh so I can give it away and youcan believe it, and then you
read the book.
I'm like, he didn't he didn'tkill the dog.
You bastard.
Um and and so the the notion ofpresence and and the other
thought, this has nothing to dowith anything we talked about.

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It was just kind of as I getinto my 60s, uh, as I get more
grandfatherly, as I start toget, you know, I start to feel a
little bit wiser and think aboutyou know legacy and um not so
much the noise of life, but themeaning of life stuff.
It is this notion, because I I II see to my own marriage a lot,

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which is um, and and I thinkthis is a universal experiment,
so I can if I if I bring it hometo me, it should convey.
And that is that my wife andI'll have a an argument, and I
mean we'll both be at here, andwe don't we typically don't
argue.

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Neither one of us likes toargue.
My the typical way I argue is Igrab my keys and I jump in my
car and I go for a drive until Iget over it.
My wife goes through, I'm nottalking to you.
Right?
That's how we resolve problems.
It's like just pretending itdidn't happen, and then we calm

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down until we can bring someother proof.
Yeah.
And and and all it's always thisexperience where you're getting
matter and matter and matter atthe person who's in the other
room.
And and a day goes by, and thenyou go to talk about it, and you
don't even want to talk about itbecause it makes you feel so
stupid that you allowed thesmallest of things to flip you

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out and build into this monsterin your head.
And I, in the novel, I treatedthat, I referred to it as the
wall of skin.
And I I I reasoned that most ofhuman misery is the fact that
we're perceiving each otherwrong, and we don't really we

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can't get into each other'sexperience, so we're judging,
and then we're reacting, andthat if that wall of skin didn't
exist, you would you would seethrough a person to where there
would be no judgment because youwould see through them.
Um for instance, you have areally, really, really um
horrible boss.

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He's a tyrant.
And then you you know you youget really deep into what made
him a tyrant, and you find outthat the kid had the most
miserable of existences as ayoung adult and child, abused
and baggering, all that stuff.
And that's kind of hard to holdit against him because you know
you can see him.

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And and so I use that as aliterary device.
I I I use the dog, and the dogsees the trauma, he sees the
wound.
And so the the the it's an it'san it's a it's a novel that is
more interior than action.
And the only bad reviews I haveare the people who picked it up
thinking looking for an actionnovel and found it.

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Um a slow read.
And it's a slow read becauseit's sort of a psychological, it
deals, although the premise isyou know, there's a dog who
saves the world by going to thepyramid in Egypt.
I'll tell you about that in asecond.
But at a deeper level, it's aslow read because I I'm trying
to unmask uh what I what I'vedetermined to be the source of

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most failed marriages of mosthuman misery, which is two
humans sitting in a room unableto talk to each other and unable
to really see each other.
That's kind of that that's thethat's kind of the the heavier
story.
So it's a grief novel andthere's a guilt novel, and

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there's a generational traumanovel, but it sits on the
science fiction story.
And the the science fictionstory, I I joked that I wrote it
the same way I designed amedical device.
And I I can't end this uhpodcast without explaining that.
Because um I I don't considermyself a writer in the

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traditional sense, and and I'mnot a science fiction person
because um, yeah, well, I I amin this novel, and I and I could
be because I love tech, um, butI could never write Spider-Man.
And I I would be the guy thatwould be so hung up trying to
figure out how Peter Parkerisn't you know leaving his um

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the nozzle soaking in thesolvent overnight because it's
adhesive.
And then what is the what isthat adhesive made of?
You know, it's like these kindsof things bother me.
I can't, because you canestablish a, you know, there are
a couple of writers, MichaelCrichton, uh, Jurassic Park, he
gets really deep in science,Blake Crouch does that with

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quantum, and then you leap offof the science into fiction.
And I'm that, that I can do.
So the science is real, and theapplied engineering is real, and
it had to be very real because Icouldn't write, I couldn't lay
over a fictional drama, humandrama on a science fiction
premise.
So the science fiction premisewas nonsense.

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That part had to be real to mebecause it's from an engineering
point of view, it had to work.
And so what informed that, whatinformed that was basically the
research that came out lastyear, early January, February,
with the ground penetratingscans of the of the Giza
pyramid.
Have you heard that?

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:03):
Yeah, they found they they found a ton of stuff,
right?

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:06):
Like, yeah, so so it turns out everybody thought this
pyramid was a structure.
Then they find out below thepyramid is two kilometers of
structure, such that the pyramidis just a capstone over this
monstrosity, and and the radarjust you know exposes that
monstrous structure almost asopen areas, right?

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Which from an you know,acoustical point of view is a
resonance chamber, you know.
And then so then I I get reallydeep into the Egyptology stuff,
the hieroglyphics, the you know,the ancient civilization stuff,
just because I love going downanything I come across that's
sort of fascinating to me, I endup reading three or four books

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on.
And the Egypt stuff had me uhpretty much going down rabbit
holes for about four months.
Everything from the NASCARmummies and Peru to and and that
was just kind of fueling, youknow, creativity.
And then I thought I came acrossa it was one of the early

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English explorers who wrote adiary of entering the um the
chamber in the Great Pyramid ofGiza, and he described the
experience as like a haunting.
He put in his notes that that itwas just a very uncomfortable
feeling.
Well, from a physics point ofview, it made perfect sense to

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me because it was it wasdescribed as all granite.
And granite has a naturalresonance of 19 Hertz.
And you know, the frequenciesand resonance are cool from a
physics point of view, anyway.
You know, you know the the theold thing if you had two glasses
of water and you put a littlefilm of soap on one and you

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start doing this, and thisglass.
Is empty, you can crack theglass next to it.
I mean, yeah, you've seen that.
That's because it's two glasses,the same material with the same
resonance.
So the same for the harmonicfrequency of one will will will
vibrate the one next to it.
So if you imagine a room that'sall granite, with when granite

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has a natural resonance of 19Hertz, if I take a tuning fork
this big and I do 19 hertz, in a19 hertz room, I may be able to
create a resonance within thestones around me, such that the
room sinks at 19 Hertz.

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And and a good example of thatis um there's a structure in
Malta 5,000 years old called theHypogeum, which has the oracle
room that's on my bucket listtitle, Malta.
Um But the the Oracle room, ifyou whisper in it, it's a
three-story structure, 5,000years old.

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If you whisper in the oracleroom, it's amplified and
magnified throughout the entirestructure.
And to this day, 2026, nobodycould duplicate that.
That's wild.
It is, and I I can't explain it.
I can't explain the pyramideither.
And and then, but that you know,when you can't explain
something, that's whenimagination becomes fun.

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I right, so I I I came up withthe idea that the pyramid was a
trans was a transducer.
And um it was then then youstart finding out that there's
pyramids all over the world.
There's a pyramid in in Peru,there's a pyramid in Alaska,
there's a pyramid in China.
And I'm like, okay, okay, so sohere's so this is the fictional

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part.
In theory, a 19 hertz chamberwith a 19 hertz signal can
resonate, and that resonancecould be propagated with these
monstrous resonance chambersunderneath it, and your focal
point sends a signal out and itgets picked up by another
acoustical, ancient acousticalengineer chamber, and that

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propagates the signal.
19 hertz is interesting becauseit's an infrasound frequency.
And in in in uh sound generally,the higher in frequency, the
smaller the waveform.
Yeah, the lower in frequency,the longer the waveform.
And you know, when you hearabout a recording device in

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California picking up seismicactivity in China, that's
because the seismic wave isgoing on the through the crust
between 8 to 20 hertz.
That's infrasound.
At the high end of infrasound,18, 19, 20 hertz, you do hear it
audibly, but you mostlyexperience it as a vibrational
rumble.

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And that's what it's it's uh.
It's almost like the the soundin the theater when you get the
THX thing.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, the the bill.
Well, so so 19 Hz is that, and19 Hertz has the funny property
of causing the fluid in youreyeball to vibrate, which is why

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the explorer had a very eeriesensation entering the chamber.
And if you were able to chant inthat chamber, you'd get you'd
get the your stunts would sing.
And I actually think a lot ofthese acoustically engineered
structures were designed forchant.
Um but anyway, so the the novel,the novel is this human drama

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that starts with a breach atCERN, a malevolent NHI comes in,
and a benevolent NHI sees theevil enter and says, I must go.
So the good follows the bad toneutralize the bad.
And the bad doesn't believe it'sbad, the bad believes it's doing

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good.
And um, from that I bring theancient stories of the floods
and the Tower of Babel and allof these civilizational resets
moments.
And I posit that God or NHI orGod working through NHI allow
humanity to get so just so faruntil they start mating sheep

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with humans and dogs withcreating life forms and all that
kind of, you know, basicallyhumanity will do some stupid
stuff if you let it.
And that that that you know, theuniverse eventually allows
humanity so much rope, and theneventually it looks down on what
humanity's doing because you'regonna kill yourself.
So let me just reset the table.

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And there's the flight, and youstart civilization over again.
But that that that seemed, Imean, that's not my idea, that's
an ancient civilization thingthat's been going around for a
while.
Yeah, but I played with that,and so then I was like, okay, so
then the ancients understoodthat gods and HI, whatever, were

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going to reset them.
And they understood that afrequency could stop it.
And so it's a basically thenovel deposits a frequency war.
And the ancients were trying tostop the reset through
frequency, and then the NHI hadways of you know countering

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that.
And and as I'm thinking throughthat as a just a possible
science fiction premise, yeah, Iwag to my dog at my feet.
And um my dog snoresvibrationally, like bulldogs
tend to have a very heavy bassthat's vibrational rumble.

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And you know, you don't havepure tone in sound.
You know, if I if I if youmeasured a a bark, you know, and
and you took out and you justyou you you get sound in general
has multiple frequency ranges.
It's not pure tone.
Very rarely.
In nature, you never have puretone.

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Yeah.
But I it wasn't far for me, itwasn't for imagination stretch
to hear my dog breathe and say,if I if I if I measured that,
I'm absolutely certain somewherein there is infrared.
May not be exactly 19 Hertz, butit's not that far off.
And I, you know, I have afrequency generator that does

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tones, and I play 19 hertz, andI listen to my dog breathe.
And like lose the signal.
So from that came this crazyidea because 19 hertz can
propagate the earth through thisthrough transducers and
amplification resonance, but 19hertz can't reset consciousness.

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It has to work for me toactually write it.
So I start doing this.
This there is a there are acouple of papers that talk about
really interesting properties of40 hertz and memory, and how 40
hertz can interfere with memory.
And and I don't need, I don'tactually need the science of
that to work.
I just need to pick a frequencythat can be tied cognitively to

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something going on in yourbrain.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:30):
And then in my fictional side of that says,
okay, 40 hertz is the resetsignal.
And now I have to modulate the40 hertz and the 19 hertz
carrier wave.
That's a that's the that's thescience fiction part of this.
So then the the adventure andwhy there's um pyramids and
bulldog in the cover, is thatthe adventure, and remember,

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above the adventure is thisreally deep, profound human
drama that gets into grief andloss and all that stuff.
But below that is this science,science, uh device that's in my
imagination that's that theancients built for um
propagation of an acousticalsignal.

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So the um I invent a device thatis in my mind comes from
Ezekiel's wheel from the OldTestament, um, wheels within
wheels.
And and that that is aotherworldly device that's also

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somehow part of the product ofreaching in from CERN.
And that device inserts a 40hertz signal into a 19 hertz
carrier wave when it comes incontact with a 19 hertz carrier
wave.
So the the plot, and aside fromthe human drama and the interest

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generational trauma, the sciencefiction plot is ancients built
an acoustical system to allowhumanity to reset consciousness
to get to a higher level.
And the and there's an NHIfrequency war to stop it, to
reset it.
And the dog is not, the dog isactually the benevolent NHI who

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comes through and takes the formof the dog.
And the NHI is in a in a hat tipto the lion, the witch in the
wardrobe.
That's C.S.
Lewis's Aslan.
The dog says to himself, lasttime I came as a lion.
And he said, This time I need ahumbler form.

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And he enters the puppy.
So that was just my I I loveC.S.
Lewis, so it was kind of just alittle hat tip to C.S.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:49):
I do, I love it, man.
That's that's a cool premise.
Um, I'll give you a book beforewe leave today.
Uh if you like science fictionand you you really like um kind
of I know you I don't know ifyou've read it, but it's it's uh
it's the Baba verse, okay?
And there's there's a lot ofbooks.
Uh it's Dennis E.
Taylor.
Um the science in it's reallyfreaking cool.

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It's basically about a guythat's dying of cancer, and he
decides that he's okay with themtaking his consciousness and
copying it and making him uhbasically a uh they put him on a
spaceship and send him out.
And his sole purpose is tocreate copies of himself and
travel the far-off universes anddifferent planets, and uh

(01:16:33):
because they want to eventuallycreate a they didn't really
there's really no human elementanymore once it's just him, and
but um all of the books kind ofgo through him replicating
himself and you know all thisdifferent things he runs into an
alien race.
Uh at some point he runs into aprimitive race on another

(01:16:55):
planet, but it's it's a it's acopy of him.
So some chapters or the and henames himself like he was a
nerd, so he names himself, youknow, obviously Bob was his real
name, and then you have like umyou know Bo Winkle for Rocky and
Bo Winkle and random stuff likethat.
But there's a there's a bunch ofbooks, there's a lot of them,
but the science in it is really,really cool and like legit.

(01:17:16):
So he must have done a shit tonof research like you did.
Uh and I think you'd I thinkyou'd fall in love with the
book.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:22):
I'll leave it with one little thing.
There's a cheat in the on mywebsite for the novel.
Yeah.
The the last thing, I'll justI'll give the cheat away.
Um I can find it.

unknown (01:17:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:39):
So you see the key?

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:44):
Yeah.
Okay.
In my mind, one day somebody isgonna spot the key and it's
gonna go to the website, andthere's a map, and they're gonna
see a little gold key on themap, and they're gonna click on
it.
And it's gonna give you a diffwhole different take of so
you're gonna read the novel.
If you read the novel withoutthinking about it, you read the

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novel of a boy and a dog whosaved the world.
Yep.
And then you you you get hintsof the scaffolding below it, but
but most of the science fictionscaffolding shouldn't be in your
face.
It should be, you know, youshould kind of figure it out.
But if you're that person andyou you notice the key and you
notice the map on the website,and you click on the gold key,

(01:18:28):
you get to a page called thescience and mythology of Baloo.
And and in that page is all ofthe science and engineering
frequency, time travel, quantumconsciousness, non-locality of
consciousness.
All of that stuff is on thatwebpage.
But I hid it because it's sortof irrelevant to the experience
of the story.

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It was relevant to me being ableto write the story, but it
wasn't necessary to understandthe story.
So I didn't want to, you know, Ididn't want to throw it in
there, but I wanted it availablebecause every once in a while
somebody like me is gonna read anovel like this.
And I'm the kind of guy wholike, well, that doesn't make
any sense.
And I do vote for apostles.

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And I I thought having a littlebit of a puzzle with a with a
hidden key was just made madethe made the experience fun.
But if you were inclined intoscience fiction side of it and
you found the key in the noveland you went to the website and
clicked on the key, you wouldyou would find a an incredibly
dense write-up about frequenciesand resonance and quantum and

(01:19:35):
all this kind of stuff.
So I wanted to I I I wasthinking of me.
You know, what I would want outof the book.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:44):
I'm a sucker for stuff like that.
Well, look, do me a favor, plugaway for everyone to find all of
your stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:54):
Um you can find the novel website on
weightofadog.com.
If you just want to see who Iam.
Uh my portfolio page isalexlucio.me.me.
So um, and I'll just show youkind of how I got to where I'm

(01:20:17):
at.
But the the more fun website isthe novel website, the weight of
a dog.
And of course you can buy it onAmazon.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:24):
Yeah, you did a great job.
I was on the weight of a dog,and uh it's it's it's a how you
have it set up is is reallygood.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:31):
Um Yeah, we got some news from the publisher date was
kind of fun.
I don't know that it'smeaningful, but we were number
one in our category on Amazon.
That's awesome as a new novel.
And that was just I I just goton a couple of book clubs uh
meetings, and you know, the bookbook clubs are interesting.
I've I I've been on doing thebook club circuit, I I guess.

(01:20:56):
And um, it's mostly women,mostly older women, but they
read a hell of a lot of books.
You know, I I read I I read alot, but I don't read as a lot
as uh as these ladies do.
I mean, you know, you you you'reon a Zoom call with them, and
they're like the entire roomthey're talking from.
It looks like a library.

(01:21:17):
It's like, well, you know, thisis my second book of the week.
I'm like, you just go novel tonovel to novel to novel.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:24):
I can't do that, man.
It takes me a long time.
I I'm listening right now toStephen King's um what is it,
Fable or Stephen King's uh uhwhat's it called?
Fairy tale right now.
It's pretty good.
Um I haven't read a Stephen Kingnovel in a really long time, so
I kind of wanted to trysomething.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:43):
I read was Dark the Dark Tower series, which I which
I thought was kind of cool.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:47):
And Dark Tower is good.
I'm just so behind on it.
Like I didn't even wouldn't evenknow where to begin because I've
never I haven't read all of hisnovels, and I feel like you you
gotta kind of be really moreplugged in.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:57):
I I I actually like if I you know in that in that
genre.
I liked I like Dean Coombs alittle bit better.
Oh yeah.
Um mostly because I'm a dogperson.
He always puts his dogs in thehorror.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:10):
Yeah, we're we're dog people here too.
So well, look, uh I have to gouh give my dog actually her
medication because my dog,unfortunately, uh gets seizures
and it's a 12-hour schedule, andwe've been doing it for she's
10, so we've been doing it forsix years now.
But listen, uh this is so uh mypodcast is drink a clock pod on

(01:22:31):
all socials, drink a clockpodcast, wherever you listen to
podcasts, and uh we'll have thisup soon.
And thank you so much, man.
This is a great combo, Alex.
Yep, loved it.
Thank you.
Have a great night, man.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:41):
Yours well, we're gonna be able to do it.