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Naide Bruno is one of the most highly regarded and credentialed teachers on the Sweet Medicine Sundance Path. She’s a naturopath, chiropractor and author of the Sweet Medicine SunDance Healing Paradigm.
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This podcast is produced by the Deer Tribe Metis Medicine
Society. Copyright DTMMS. All rights
reserved. Materials may not be used
without written permission. The Sweet Medicine Sundance Path
is a mystery school that offers shamanic knowledge and practices
for anyone seeking personal growth, spiritual awakening, and
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evolution through interconnectedness.
Today, the wheels and keys, the teachings, practices, and
ceremonies are available at workshops, events, and
ceremonial gatherings in variouscountries around the planet.
Welcome back to DTMMSTV. I'm Nicholas Samad and we are
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continuing our conversation withNyda Bruno.
Nyda, thank you for joining us. It's it's.
Truly a pleasure for me. So let's start by defining some
of the basic premises of our healing paradigm.
When we say get at cause, what do we mean?
Yeah, we have a unique way of looking at getting at 'cause,
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you know, in the typical Westernmedicine or alternative
complementary medicine, we're always looking for.
We don't just want to, you know,stifle the symptom, but we want
to look at what's causing the symptom.
And that's a good thing. But what we look at in our
paradigm is actually the words. And I would put even this in
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capital letters, the being at cause.
And so that takes it to a whole other level because it's not so
much like, you know, what wounding in childhood or what
the what, what the various things in our history have
actually caused this affliction,shall we say.
But it's a much more to being looking at the old hurts and the
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woundings and the injustices. We all have them.
And the old history is basicallythat it's old history, but we
don't attach ourselves to that as the cause of something.
It's important information, but it's not necessarily the cause.
So because the cause is really again, again, at spiritual
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level. And as Thunderstrikes has always
said, it's the, the, the cause will always be spiritual and
spirit heals. It is spirit that heals.
So therefore it's going to take us to a whole other level and
take the person to a whole otherlevel because it demands of that
of a person who wants to be healed in this way and wants to
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heal themselves about taking responsibility for themselves,
about their choices and and going forward in their life.
Not looking backwards and being at cause is actually what we say
when I'm at 'cause I'm at the center of my own circle.
And that's an expression that weuse because being at the center
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of my own circle means I own it.I'm going to take
responsibility, not in a bad way, not to say, oh, I was
terrible. I was, you know, I blew it or
whatever. Nothing like that.
It's more that we are all here to learn and we're going to, you
know, make choices that maybe weren't the best choices or
we're going to find ways that wecan get trapped.
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We'll get trapped in ways that are old ways or whatever.
And so that's not what we're talking about with.
It's basically to know that if I'm at cause and at the center
of my own circle, I am my own healer first and foremost, that
I am the healer. And so therefore the shamanic
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approach and is, is spoken in many different traditions is
called the wounded healer. Because of the, the fact that I
met the confrontation that I actually now know that I've gone
through the journey, gone through the journey of, of doing
what I, everything I can do to heal myself.
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And then go to a deeper level where I connect to spirit to get
that help from spirit to heal. And with those who are trained
to help me go through the journey.
And then I can take responsibility for myself.
And now I know that yes, the wounded part was there, but
that's not all of it. The the the fact that the the
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the wounded part is what has empowered me to know that I am
first and foremost my own healerand that I can actually bring
healing to life and others. So this is actually speaking
about empowering the individual to heal themselves, realizing
that they have caused something,they can definitely do something
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else. Yes.
And to actually take responsibility that there, what
it means is there, there is no one, no thing, no system, no
other that is the cause of our illness.
And that is very important because we're looking to outside
ourselves. And whenever we do that, we're,
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we're not in the center of our own circle.
And so therefore, when I can sayI am at 'cause that means that
yes, I know that I am the designer, I'm the one that
choreographs my life and, and I will take that responsibility
for it and, and still get help every way I can in all ways that
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I can so that I can really see myself in a different light.
So we use alchemy within our teachings, our ceremonies, our
healing ceremonies. Can you speak a little bit more
in broader terms what alchemy means?
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Yeah. You know, before there was
chemistry as a science, there was alchemy.
And so the, the the alchemists of years gone by, the the
ancient ones that that always had a fascination for what is
transformation. And if we look at that and we
see the transformation is comes about with alchemy.
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And so alchemy is always using laws, sacred laws of the
universe, natural laws that are say, if you put this together
with this and you put them together and you create a
response with basic chemistry, of course that that is something
has been transformed. And there was something that got
catalyzed, something that got energy that got that was moved.
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And so that's the understanding on a very basic, basic level of
alchemy. Alchemists have always been
known to be the ones who the famous expression of, you know,
to turn lead into gold. And so we can look at alchemy on
that level. We can also look at even the
Jungian Carl Jung spoke about this, about finding the gold
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within ourselves in our shadow, finding the gold inside us.
And that is an alchemical process.
He was very fascinated with alchemy, by the way.
And so the alchemy is something that we know we can count on.
It's called sacred law. There are laws that govern the
universe. There are laws that govern how
things happen and whether we want to change them.
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We think we want to change them.They're not going to change.
They are laws. And so being able to work within
those laws, now we can look at what can transform because we
can work within the laws. And so when we create a space
for someone to heal, we are creating a sacred space that is
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alchemical. In that space is the full
potential for that person to transform, transform their
physical selves and transform all the aspects of themselves,
emotional, physical, mental, spiritual and soul.
And so alchemy is of course the foundation of healing really, if
you can see that healing is always good, can always be a
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transformative process. And so being in alignment with
those laws, and that's what we teach our students who are
wanting to work in the, with thehealing paradigm especially, but
within our whole path actually is about how do you, how do you
do that? What, what does it mean to be in
alignment with, with sacred law?What does it mean to be able to
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be in the stream, to be in the flow?
And you're not trying to make things happen, you're just
aligning with what is happening.So I I could go on about
alchemy, but I I hope that that answers what you were looking
for. So in how?
In what way are healers and apprentices mirrors for each
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other? Well, you know, there is a, an
actually a basic principle that in life we are all mirrors of
each other in our relationships with each other anyway.
And so, and when we are mirrors of each other, it basically
speaks to the same theme that we've always spoken about, which
is there is no separation, that what is in you is also in me and
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that I can actually be there andtherefore not say, oh, you're
the patient and I'm the doctor. And so we're separate.
We are separate energies, We're separate beings.
Yes, we are in our individuality, but the, the
connection that there is of thisthread of interconnected, inter
reliable, interdependent, this sacred law, then we're able to
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really see, OK, we are mirrors of each other.
And so we look at anytime, whether it's in a one to one
healing relationship or within ahealing circle where there's a
group of people that are there to support this person, we're
always looking at the fact that that they're, I'm not better
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than this person. But there, I, there's a part of
me that actually, yeah, there's,there I, I see myself in you,
you know? And so being mirrors of each
other is a very valuable thing #1 because it helps us to not be
self important, but #2 it also helps us to have our own
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healing. Because when I can see that in
another, I'm not going to jump in there and be this kind of
mushy person who's kind of, you know, wanting to, to take in the
emotionality of the emotions of someone.
I'm not going to do that. I'm going to hold my space, but
in so doing, I can also recognize that there is some
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kind of a connection that we have.
And the best thing that I can dois to just be present, be there
for that person in a way that iswithout judgment and without any
kind of projections. And so that's what we often we
do a lot of work on training ourstudents exactly to stay out of
projection and and out of judgment so that we can be fully
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present knowing that we are all part of the bigger picture.
So you're speaking about the oneto the many and the many to the
one law. Yes, again, we go back to that
law and sometimes it's just the 1 to the one if it's a
one-on-one interaction, but still it is it's that
interconnectedness that's that'salways there.
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And so it's, it's a wonderful gift.
And even if you're the one who'squote administering to this
person in whatever way, there's a certain freedom in that.
There's an actual way. Like I, I don't have to be so
fixated on, I have to do it right.
And it has to be just this way, which gets the mental going so
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much that I don't have a heart space.
And the beauty of the mirroring is that there will, it will
always open a heart space. And that is so critical in any
modality, any tradition of healing is the, the, the heart
and the head work together and the the mirror.
This concept of we are mirrors for each other is very helpful.
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Very helpful. I'm thinking back now to one of
the points we were speaking about earlier, about how what we
would call The Apprentice or thedreamer or the person in the
centre of the circle of who's asking for the healing, what are
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they trying to learn through thedisease?
So we're looking at disease as an indicator, a signal, a
teacher, even for for someone. Well, you know, in our paradigm,
which is quite different that I don't know of any other paradigm
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that uses a different term than what is mostly used in our
culture. So we do not call this person a
patient because that, that creates a disconnect and it
creates a different power dynamic and that does not serve,
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serve people well. But the, The Apprentice, the
word apprentice is a wonderful word because it means the one
who came to learn. So I'm accepting this illness,
it's disease, it's affliction asa teacher.
And I'm coming here in my own humility and in my courage to
learn. And so therefore, it's A, to me,
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I see the word apprentice as a very respectful term because
that way we can actually see Speaking of mirroring that it
is, you know, I could be in the center of that circle.
I have been. So there's many different ways
in which I can open myself up. And so therefore we don't use
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the word patient because it, it definitely puts such a limit on,
on who this being is in their total beauty.
And so we always say, yes, you, I honor you.
I recognize you for being the one who came here to learn, to
learn from the teacher of the affliction, and to learn from
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Spirit so that you can heal yourself.
So there's more, with neither coming up next.
This program is brought to you by DTMMS, the Dear Tribe Metis
Medicine Society. I do.
Enjoy the ceremonies and all theteachings I'm.
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Really looking forward to the healing that I can.
Do inside my own self and also. The community is amazing.
I'm looking forward. To learning new things.
Finding out about myself. I'm looking forward to evolving
the spiritual. Connection to Great Spirit.
And. To all things magical.
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These are. The things that are most
important to me right now. Welcome back to our conversation
with Nyda Bruno. OK, I'm going to bring in
another concept here, Nyda. So when we talk about a book of
life reading, what are we talking about?
Yeah, very good question. Now a Book of life reading is an
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Oracle. It's an oracular reading using a
deck of cards that we that are called the Mayan deck of cards.
We have very beautiful and exotic images painted on them,
but it is a tarot deck. And so we use that as an Oracle
because it's a road map. And So what we say is that our
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soul every year kind of lays outa road map for us about what to
pay attention to, what is it that needs to change, what
possible challenges we could be meeting, where we're growing and
what is our even our hearts desire to come forward.
And so the book of life reading,when one gets a book of life
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reading and the laying of the cards, those cards are telling
this person, hey, pay attention to this or take a look at this
from a different point of view. And though so therefore the book
of life reading is guides us in how we move forward and we call
it a Dharma book of life readingbecause it truly is the Dharma
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is the unknown. Dharma is the place where we
don't know. We haven't written anything down
about what my life is going to look like and have it nicely
structured and in the little box.
It's actually all the unknown. And so when we're able to have a
map, of course, you want to be out on the seas with your, your
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chart and your map to get you toyour goal to get you to the
island or the, the wonderful, you know, lighthouse.
That's, that's, that's directingyou there.
And so the book of life reading is very, very helpful.
We most of us as apprentices on this path, get a book of life
reading every year to kind of help us to, to do some intend in
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a way, do some intending of whatwe want and what is our true
heart's desire always coming from the messages that come from
the soul. It's our higher self and our
soul that are giving us these messages.
So this usage of archetypal energies, of metaphors, of
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symbology, is all wrapped in within the healing paradigm.
Of course, also with our teachings we have one which is
called the sacred image. Can you explain a little bit
about what to hold? Because I know in in healing
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ceremonies we hold the sacred image of The Apprentice who is
asking for the healing while during the healing ceremony.
So what is? What are we actually doing
there? OK, well let's talk a little bit
about what is sacred image. You know, sacred image is our
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naturalness, our sacredness, shall we say, of the potential
of who we truly are. It's our true self.
It's the self that is much bigger than even how we see
ourselves, that we we to step into.
If I see myself in my sacred image, that's a pretty big
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picture. And yes, it's archetypal, but
it's also has a sense of like there's a beauty that is just
sacred that's just actually sacred.
And so it's an image, you know. And so the, the sacred image is
what we hold for someone, especially when they come for
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healing, because most of the time we are human, you know, as
as human, we are human, as humans, we actually do not have
a good connection when we're hurting, when we're I'll, when
we have sickness, when we're outof alignment, we don't have a
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connection to that sacred image.How can I see the beauty of
myself in my sacredness if I'm hurting?
And so that's just the human condition.
And so when someone comes to us,they're hurting, they're
they're, they're needing healing.
They're needing to be brought back to wholeness and the sacred
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image is always coming back to the wholeness and be restored,
renewed and be able to function at a much, much higher level.
And underneath that, that is oneof the underpinnings, shall we
say, of how we heal ourselves. So when someone comes to us, for
example, again, whether it's one-on-one or whether it's
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within a healing circle. We all the the practitioner or
the circle, everyone on the circle holds an image of that
person as completely healed. That person's coming in with
cancer. I don't see this person who's
coming in that with cancer. And you know, our Western model
unfortunately does that very often.
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You know, it's it's misses Jonesin room 3 O 4, but it's not
misses Jones. It's the the breast cancer in
room 3O4I mean, what a disservice, you know, so that
that thank goodness is changing.Thank goodness is changing in
Western medicine. But we always are holding this
the the being of who this personreally is.
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And so if everyone you can imagine, if everyone in a
healing circle is holding that image, that means we are holding
this person is totally healed. We are holding this person is
not the person with this affliction, but the one who is
in all her potential of being totally healed.
And so the sacred image is something that every one of us
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in our human journey is seeking to discover about ourselves.
It's the true self, not the false self, but the true self.
If that helps in an understanding I hope.
It sounds like I can feel the expression of benevolent
compassion that's necessary to hold that space.
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And yes, it is a it is a wonderful thing.
If our Western style medicine hospitals and stuff do
incorporate a little bit of that, that would be great,
wouldn't it? So stay tuned for more about the
Sweet Medicine Sundance healing paradigm with neither Bruno.
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And I'm 10 years old and my medicine name is Dreaming Snake.
And my time at Earth Lodge has been very, very fun.
Lovely friends, delicious food. Hey, I've made breakfast and and
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I was a part of Teen Lodge at this moves in place Earth Lodge.
We did like archery and it told us about how to reach a golden
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I'm Yasmin and my medicine name is Wise Owl and I've had a
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really fun time here and learneda lot of stuff at kids lodge and
made a lot of cool. Things.
This program is brought to you by DTMMS, the Deer Tribe Matey
Medicine Society. Welcome back to our continuing
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conversation with Nyda Bruno. So one final piece in our
healing paradigm is the concept of return to the before or
returning to the before. Can you speak to this?
Yeah, I was very struck with that many years ago when I
started on this path. And when Thunder Strikes would
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speak about the before, it sounded a little strange, and
yet it was very intriguing for me.
And the before is really when we're not talking about the
before, about my past history. OK, that's not before.
We're not trying to heal the past history, but the before is
actually much, much deeper and more impactful for us when we
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think of the before was our natural state, our state of
naturalness. When we when we as a human,
we're totally in balance before illness, before these
distortions and and incoherence is in our body, in our energy
field we're developing. We actually are looking at
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something that is before that. And so we what it says is that
we were naturally born in the before.
And so then the journey of life and everything about life for
then and it's the experiences isgoing to be make it quite
different than that. And there's a part of our soul
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that's actually yearning to be in the before.
So that really fits into our healing because if we are in, in
disalignment and we are out of balance, there's a part of us
that's saying, I know, I, I can feel, I know what balance feels
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like and I want to go there. And so it's a journey of going
back to saying, I can recognize this and therefore when I go to
the before I go, it's going to be connected to sacred image.
I go back to that place where there was no, there were no
encumbrances and no lack. There was no lack.
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And so therefore, I'm able to bemy full true self and be able to
from there, see what life has tobring me and what that healing
is going to look like. So all of our lives, whether we
have a medical or diagnosis of physical affliction, but for all
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of us, going back to the before is the healing of our life.
And as we say, you know, you andThunder strikes have said this,
if you want to heal your body, heal your life.
And so therefore, it's it's it'sa very good goal to have.
So when we talk about for as we're helping people in their
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healing process, we actually have an expression that says we
because we use chance and singing as part of the alchemy
of a healing circle. We sing The Apprentice back to
the before, and it's a beautifulexpression because through the
power and the magic of sound andvibration, these chants
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literally create a space that sings the person back to that
state of their true heel self and their natural self.
So that's basically the understanding of going going
back to the before. So are there any final comments
that you would like to share with the our listeners today or
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our viewers? Yes, Yeah, I would like to, I
would like everyone to know thateach one of us that you are more
than you think you are, that your potential and your capacity
to heal is right there inside you and you can have help from
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people to bring it out. But there's the thinking that we
are the creator. If we look at, if I look at my
creator internally, my, my creator within that, if I can
create imbalance and even cellular changes that actually
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created sickness, illness, disease, I can uncreate it.
And I have that capacity becauseof how the creator created me.
And in the big unified field, it's all the same.
It's all the same. So I would like people to kind
of remember that that we are ourcreators of ourselves and our
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lives and that we can also uncreate what's no longer
working and therefore recreate. So that's my that's my parting
desire for you all. Thank you, Naida, for joining
us. I've enjoyed having this time to
speak with you, and I look forward to further conversations
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with you and other leaders from this path.
Thank you very much. It's really been a pleasure for
me to even get some learning as I hear my own words.
Thank you very much, and thank you to all of you there who are
interested in what it means to heal.
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evolution through interconnectedness.
Today, the wheels and keys, the teachings, practices, and
ceremonies are available at workshops, events, and
ceremonial gatherings in variouscountries around the planet.
Welcome back to DTMMSTV. I'm Nicholas Samad and we are
(00:42):
continuing our conversation withNyda Bruno.
Nyda, thank you for joining us. It's it's.
Truly a pleasure for me. So let's start by defining some
of the basic premises of our healing paradigm.
When we say get at cause, what do we mean?
Yeah, we have a unique way of looking at getting at 'cause,
(01:05):
you know, in the typical Westernmedicine or alternative
complementary medicine, we're always looking for.
We don't just want to, you know,stifle the symptom, but we want
to look at what's causing the symptom.
And that's a good thing. But what we look at in our
paradigm is actually the words. And I would put even this in
(01:26):
capital letters, the being at cause.
And so that takes it to a whole other level because it's not so
much like, you know, what wounding in childhood or what
the what, what the various things in our history have
actually caused this affliction,shall we say.
But it's a much more to being looking at the old hurts and the
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woundings and the injustices. We all have them.
And the old history is basicallythat it's old history, but we
don't attach ourselves to that as the cause of something.
It's important information, but it's not necessarily the cause.
So because the cause is really again, again, at spiritual
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level. And as Thunderstrikes has always
said, it's the, the, the cause will always be spiritual and
spirit heals. It is spirit that heals.
So therefore it's going to take us to a whole other level and
take the person to a whole otherlevel because it demands of that
of a person who wants to be healed in this way and wants to
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heal themselves about taking responsibility for themselves,
about their choices and and going forward in their life.
Not looking backwards and being at cause is actually what we say
when I'm at 'cause I'm at the center of my own circle.
And that's an expression that weuse because being at the center
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of my own circle means I own it.I'm going to take
responsibility, not in a bad way, not to say, oh, I was
terrible. I was, you know, I blew it or
whatever. Nothing like that.
It's more that we are all here to learn and we're going to, you
know, make choices that maybe weren't the best choices or
we're going to find ways that wecan get trapped.
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We'll get trapped in ways that are old ways or whatever.
And so that's not what we're talking about with.
It's basically to know that if I'm at cause and at the center
of my own circle, I am my own healer first and foremost, that
I am the healer. And so therefore the shamanic
(03:35):
approach and is, is spoken in many different traditions is
called the wounded healer. Because of the, the fact that I
met the confrontation that I actually now know that I've gone
through the journey, gone through the journey of, of doing
what I, everything I can do to heal myself.
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And then go to a deeper level where I connect to spirit to get
that help from spirit to heal. And with those who are trained
to help me go through the journey.
And then I can take responsibility for myself.
And now I know that yes, the wounded part was there, but
that's not all of it. The the the fact that the the
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the wounded part is what has empowered me to know that I am
first and foremost my own healerand that I can actually bring
healing to life and others. So this is actually speaking
about empowering the individual to heal themselves, realizing
that they have caused something,they can definitely do something
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else. Yes.
And to actually take responsibility that there, what
it means is there, there is no one, no thing, no system, no
other that is the cause of our illness.
And that is very important because we're looking to outside
ourselves. And whenever we do that, we're,
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we're not in the center of our own circle.
And so therefore, when I can sayI am at 'cause that means that
yes, I know that I am the designer, I'm the one that
choreographs my life and, and I will take that responsibility
for it and, and still get help every way I can in all ways that
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I can so that I can really see myself in a different light.
So we use alchemy within our teachings, our ceremonies, our
healing ceremonies. Can you speak a little bit more
in broader terms what alchemy means?
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Yeah. You know, before there was
chemistry as a science, there was alchemy.
And so the, the the alchemists of years gone by, the the
ancient ones that that always had a fascination for what is
transformation. And if we look at that and we
see the transformation is comes about with alchemy.
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And so alchemy is always using laws, sacred laws of the
universe, natural laws that are say, if you put this together
with this and you put them together and you create a
response with basic chemistry, of course that that is something
has been transformed. And there was something that got
catalyzed, something that got energy that got that was moved.
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And so that's the understanding on a very basic, basic level of
alchemy. Alchemists have always been
known to be the ones who the famous expression of, you know,
to turn lead into gold. And so we can look at alchemy on
that level. We can also look at even the
Jungian Carl Jung spoke about this, about finding the gold
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within ourselves in our shadow, finding the gold inside us.
And that is an alchemical process.
He was very fascinated with alchemy, by the way.
And so the alchemy is something that we know we can count on.
It's called sacred law. There are laws that govern the
universe. There are laws that govern how
things happen and whether we want to change them.
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We think we want to change them.They're not going to change.
They are laws. And so being able to work within
those laws, now we can look at what can transform because we
can work within the laws. And so when we create a space
for someone to heal, we are creating a sacred space that is
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alchemical. In that space is the full
potential for that person to transform, transform their
physical selves and transform all the aspects of themselves,
emotional, physical, mental, spiritual and soul.
And so alchemy is of course the foundation of healing really, if
you can see that healing is always good, can always be a
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transformative process. And so being in alignment with
those laws, and that's what we teach our students who are
wanting to work in the, with thehealing paradigm especially, but
within our whole path actually is about how do you, how do you
do that? What, what does it mean to be in
alignment with, with sacred law?What does it mean to be able to
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be in the stream, to be in the flow?
And you're not trying to make things happen, you're just
aligning with what is happening.So I I could go on about
alchemy, but I I hope that that answers what you were looking
for. So in how?
In what way are healers and apprentices mirrors for each
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other? Well, you know, there is a, an
actually a basic principle that in life we are all mirrors of
each other in our relationships with each other anyway.
And so, and when we are mirrors of each other, it basically
speaks to the same theme that we've always spoken about, which
is there is no separation, that what is in you is also in me and
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that I can actually be there andtherefore not say, oh, you're
the patient and I'm the doctor. And so we're separate.
We are separate energies, We're separate beings.
Yes, we are in our individuality, but the, the
connection that there is of thisthread of interconnected, inter
reliable, interdependent, this sacred law, then we're able to
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really see, OK, we are mirrors of each other.
And so we look at anytime, whether it's in a one to one
healing relationship or within ahealing circle where there's a
group of people that are there to support this person, we're
always looking at the fact that that they're, I'm not better
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than this person. But there, I, there's a part of
me that actually, yeah, there's,there I, I see myself in you,
you know? And so being mirrors of each
other is a very valuable thing #1 because it helps us to not be
self important, but #2 it also helps us to have our own
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healing. Because when I can see that in
another, I'm not going to jump in there and be this kind of
mushy person who's kind of, you know, wanting to, to take in the
emotionality of the emotions of someone.
I'm not going to do that. I'm going to hold my space, but
in so doing, I can also recognize that there is some
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kind of a connection that we have.
And the best thing that I can dois to just be present, be there
for that person in a way that iswithout judgment and without any
kind of projections. And so that's what we often we
do a lot of work on training ourstudents exactly to stay out of
projection and and out of judgment so that we can be fully
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present knowing that we are all part of the bigger picture.
So you're speaking about the oneto the many and the many to the
one law. Yes, again, we go back to that
law and sometimes it's just the 1 to the one if it's a
one-on-one interaction, but still it is it's that
interconnectedness that's that'salways there.
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And so it's, it's a wonderful gift.
And even if you're the one who'squote administering to this
person in whatever way, there's a certain freedom in that.
There's an actual way. Like I, I don't have to be so
fixated on, I have to do it right.
And it has to be just this way, which gets the mental going so
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much that I don't have a heart space.
And the beauty of the mirroring is that there will, it will
always open a heart space. And that is so critical in any
modality, any tradition of healing is the, the, the heart
and the head work together and the the mirror.
This concept of we are mirrors for each other is very helpful.
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Very helpful. I'm thinking back now to one of
the points we were speaking about earlier, about how what we
would call The Apprentice or thedreamer or the person in the
centre of the circle of who's asking for the healing, what are
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they trying to learn through thedisease?
So we're looking at disease as an indicator, a signal, a
teacher, even for for someone. Well, you know, in our paradigm,
which is quite different that I don't know of any other paradigm
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that uses a different term than what is mostly used in our
culture. So we do not call this person a
patient because that, that creates a disconnect and it
creates a different power dynamic and that does not serve,
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serve people well. But the, The Apprentice, the
word apprentice is a wonderful word because it means the one
who came to learn. So I'm accepting this illness,
it's disease, it's affliction asa teacher.
And I'm coming here in my own humility and in my courage to
learn. And so therefore, it's A, to me,
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I see the word apprentice as a very respectful term because
that way we can actually see Speaking of mirroring that it
is, you know, I could be in the center of that circle.
I have been. So there's many different ways
in which I can open myself up. And so therefore we don't use
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the word patient because it, it definitely puts such a limit on,
on who this being is in their total beauty.
And so we always say, yes, you, I honor you.
I recognize you for being the one who came here to learn, to
learn from the teacher of the affliction, and to learn from
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Spirit so that you can heal yourself.
So there's more, with neither coming up next.
This program is brought to you by DTMMS, the Dear Tribe Metis
Medicine Society. I do.
Enjoy the ceremonies and all theteachings I'm.
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Really looking forward to the healing that I can.
Do inside my own self and also. The community is amazing.
I'm looking forward. To learning new things.
Finding out about myself. I'm looking forward to evolving
the spiritual. Connection to Great Spirit.
And. To all things magical.
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These are. The things that are most
important to me right now. Welcome back to our conversation
with Nyda Bruno. OK, I'm going to bring in
another concept here, Nyda. So when we talk about a book of
life reading, what are we talking about?
Yeah, very good question. Now a Book of life reading is an
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Oracle. It's an oracular reading using a
deck of cards that we that are called the Mayan deck of cards.
We have very beautiful and exotic images painted on them,
but it is a tarot deck. And so we use that as an Oracle
because it's a road map. And So what we say is that our
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soul every year kind of lays outa road map for us about what to
pay attention to, what is it that needs to change, what
possible challenges we could be meeting, where we're growing and
what is our even our hearts desire to come forward.
And so the book of life reading,when one gets a book of life
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reading and the laying of the cards, those cards are telling
this person, hey, pay attention to this or take a look at this
from a different point of view. And though so therefore the book
of life reading is guides us in how we move forward and we call
it a Dharma book of life readingbecause it truly is the Dharma
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is the unknown. Dharma is the place where we
don't know. We haven't written anything down
about what my life is going to look like and have it nicely
structured and in the little box.
It's actually all the unknown. And so when we're able to have a
map, of course, you want to be out on the seas with your, your
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chart and your map to get you toyour goal to get you to the
island or the, the wonderful, you know, lighthouse.
That's, that's, that's directingyou there.
And so the book of life reading is very, very helpful.
We most of us as apprentices on this path, get a book of life
reading every year to kind of help us to, to do some intend in
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a way, do some intending of whatwe want and what is our true
heart's desire always coming from the messages that come from
the soul. It's our higher self and our
soul that are giving us these messages.
So this usage of archetypal energies, of metaphors, of
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symbology, is all wrapped in within the healing paradigm.
Of course, also with our teachings we have one which is
called the sacred image. Can you explain a little bit
about what to hold? Because I know in in healing
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ceremonies we hold the sacred image of The Apprentice who is
asking for the healing while during the healing ceremony.
So what is? What are we actually doing
there? OK, well let's talk a little bit
about what is sacred image. You know, sacred image is our
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naturalness, our sacredness, shall we say, of the potential
of who we truly are. It's our true self.
It's the self that is much bigger than even how we see
ourselves, that we we to step into.
If I see myself in my sacred image, that's a pretty big
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picture. And yes, it's archetypal, but
it's also has a sense of like there's a beauty that is just
sacred that's just actually sacred.
And so it's an image, you know. And so the, the sacred image is
what we hold for someone, especially when they come for
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healing, because most of the time we are human, you know, as
as human, we are human, as humans, we actually do not have
a good connection when we're hurting, when we're I'll, when
we have sickness, when we're outof alignment, we don't have a
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connection to that sacred image.How can I see the beauty of
myself in my sacredness if I'm hurting?
And so that's just the human condition.
And so when someone comes to us,they're hurting, they're
they're, they're needing healing.
They're needing to be brought back to wholeness and the sacred
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image is always coming back to the wholeness and be restored,
renewed and be able to function at a much, much higher level.
And underneath that, that is oneof the underpinnings, shall we
say, of how we heal ourselves. So when someone comes to us, for
example, again, whether it's one-on-one or whether it's
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within a healing circle. We all the the practitioner or
the circle, everyone on the circle holds an image of that
person as completely healed. That person's coming in with
cancer. I don't see this person who's
coming in that with cancer. And you know, our Western model
unfortunately does that very often.
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You know, it's it's misses Jonesin room 3 O 4, but it's not
misses Jones. It's the the breast cancer in
room 3O4I mean, what a disservice, you know, so that
that thank goodness is changing.Thank goodness is changing in
Western medicine. But we always are holding this
the the being of who this personreally is.
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And so if everyone you can imagine, if everyone in a
healing circle is holding that image, that means we are holding
this person is totally healed. We are holding this person is
not the person with this affliction, but the one who is
in all her potential of being totally healed.
And so the sacred image is something that every one of us
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in our human journey is seeking to discover about ourselves.
It's the true self, not the false self, but the true self.
If that helps in an understanding I hope.
It sounds like I can feel the expression of benevolent
compassion that's necessary to hold that space.
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And yes, it is a it is a wonderful thing.
If our Western style medicine hospitals and stuff do
incorporate a little bit of that, that would be great,
wouldn't it? So stay tuned for more about the
Sweet Medicine Sundance healing paradigm with neither Bruno.
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My name is. Ruthie.
And I'm 10 years old and my medicine name is Dreaming Snake.
And my time at Earth Lodge has been very, very fun.
Lovely friends, delicious food. Hey, I've made breakfast and and
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the most wonderful community. My name is Louise.
I was a part of Teen Lodge at this moves in place Earth Lodge.
We did like archery and it told us about how to reach a golden
targets. We did wild buildings so we can
learn how to work in teams and we did all sorts of stuff.
I'm Yasmin and my medicine name is Wise Owl and I've had a
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really fun time here and learneda lot of stuff at kids lodge and
made a lot of cool. Things.
This program is brought to you by DTMMS, the Deer Tribe Matey
Medicine Society. Welcome back to our continuing
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conversation with Nyda Bruno. So one final piece in our
healing paradigm is the concept of return to the before or
returning to the before. Can you speak to this?
Yeah, I was very struck with that many years ago when I
started on this path. And when Thunder Strikes would
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speak about the before, it sounded a little strange, and
yet it was very intriguing for me.
And the before is really when we're not talking about the
before, about my past history. OK, that's not before.
We're not trying to heal the past history, but the before is
actually much, much deeper and more impactful for us when we
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think of the before was our natural state, our state of
naturalness. When we when we as a human,
we're totally in balance before illness, before these
distortions and and incoherence is in our body, in our energy
field we're developing. We actually are looking at
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something that is before that. And so we what it says is that
we were naturally born in the before.
And so then the journey of life and everything about life for
then and it's the experiences isgoing to be make it quite
different than that. And there's a part of our soul
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that's actually yearning to be in the before.
So that really fits into our healing because if we are in, in
disalignment and we are out of balance, there's a part of us
that's saying, I know, I, I can feel, I know what balance feels
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like and I want to go there. And so it's a journey of going
back to saying, I can recognize this and therefore when I go to
the before I go, it's going to be connected to sacred image.
I go back to that place where there was no, there were no
encumbrances and no lack. There was no lack.
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And so therefore, I'm able to bemy full true self and be able to
from there, see what life has tobring me and what that healing
is going to look like. So all of our lives, whether we
have a medical or diagnosis of physical affliction, but for all
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of us, going back to the before is the healing of our life.
And as we say, you know, you andThunder strikes have said this,
if you want to heal your body, heal your life.
And so therefore, it's it's it'sa very good goal to have.
So when we talk about for as we're helping people in their
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healing process, we actually have an expression that says we
because we use chance and singing as part of the alchemy
of a healing circle. We sing The Apprentice back to
the before, and it's a beautifulexpression because through the
power and the magic of sound andvibration, these chants
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literally create a space that sings the person back to that
state of their true heel self and their natural self.
So that's basically the understanding of going going
back to the before. So are there any final comments
that you would like to share with the our listeners today or
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our viewers? Yes, Yeah, I would like to, I
would like everyone to know thateach one of us that you are more
than you think you are, that your potential and your capacity
to heal is right there inside you and you can have help from
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people to bring it out. But there's the thinking that we
are the creator. If we look at, if I look at my
creator internally, my, my creator within that, if I can
create imbalance and even cellular changes that actually
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created sickness, illness, disease, I can uncreate it.
And I have that capacity becauseof how the creator created me.
And in the big unified field, it's all the same.
It's all the same. So I would like people to kind
of remember that that we are ourcreators of ourselves and our
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lives and that we can also uncreate what's no longer
working and therefore recreate. So that's my that's my parting
desire for you all. Thank you, Naida, for joining
us. I've enjoyed having this time to
speak with you, and I look forward to further conversations
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with you and other leaders from this path.
Thank you very much. It's really been a pleasure for
me to even get some learning as I hear my own words.
Thank you very much, and thank you to all of you there who are
interested in what it means to heal.
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