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In today's rapidly changing world, we all have questions and
we all want answers. It's on this program that we
get our answers from the Word of God. It's time
for another episode of A Relevant Word with longtime pastor
and bestselling author, Carl Gallup. Welcome to A Relevant Word
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with Pastor Carl Gallups from the Hickory Handbook Baptist Church
in the Pensacola, Florida area, specifically the Milton, Florida area.
My name is Kevin King, and we're going to be
discussing one of possibly the most difficult prophets to understand
in the Bible, and you hear about him all the time,
but you're really going to make Zechariah relevant. When you
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came in today and said, Kevin, we're going to talk
about The relevance of Zachariah.
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I thought, good luck, brother.
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Yeah, good luck with that, right?
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No, but.
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You gave me a little bit of an overview. This
is going to be fascinating. I think our listeners are
really going to be fascinated about this. And a lot
of it will probably be familiar. Like, oh, yeah, that's
where that came from.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Yeah, I didn't know that came from that. Yeah, because
Zachariah is quoted and or alluded to. 70 times throughout
the New Testament.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
You told me that earlier. I was shocked.
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And Jesus himself actually quoted Zechariah in black and white
quote five or six times recorded in the New Testament.
But you say, well, what about the other 65? He
lived it out. And I mean, there are whole chunks
of Zechariah. that described the coming of Messiah and the
things he would do and the things that would happen
to him and how they would happen and who would
be responsible for it and on and on. But it
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doesn't speak in that kind of black and white language
like I just did. It's relatively cryptic. But by the
time you get to the New Testament, by the time
you look back on the whole Golgotha event, the resurrection,
his life, his ministry, you realize, where have I seen
this before. And so when you get into Zechariah, you say, oh,
that's where it is. So it is fascinating. But I've
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got to say this too, Kevin, and to our audience,
thank you so much for listening today, wherever you are,
God bless you. But I've been preaching now for almost
40 years, and so I do a lot of studying
and research, and I listen to other researchers that comment
on the scriptures, and I read a lot, and And
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so one day I was listening to a scholar, and
I'm not judging the guy, please hear me, I'm not judging,
but he describes Zechariah as really weird. And I thought,
oh my goodness, brother, don't tell people the Word of
God is weird. I mean, the book of Revelation seems weird,
unless you know that it's connected to the Old Testament
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in so many ways. And unless you know the rest
of the New Testament, then you read Revelation, then you
look at the times we're living in, and it's not
so weird anymore. Well, but I heard him use that word,
and I thought, wow.
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Wow.
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You know, and he's a biblical scholar, and I'm not
judging him. I'm just saying this is my first thought that,
you know, brother, if you really, really, really knew the
entire word, it wouldn't be weird. But I don't know
why he did that. Maybe it was just being dramatic
or overly dramatic. But that's the point. He was trying
to make the point, and I'll give him this, that
it's an extremely difficult prophetic book of the Old Testament
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if you are not pretty well studied or read in
the rest of the Word of God, including the New Testament,
but specifically the Old Testament, because a lot of its
imagery comes from there. And Zechariah is speaking to an
Old Testament crowd. So here's what I'm going to do, folks.
Those of you listening right now, thank you so much
for joining us. And I promise you, it's going to
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be a little seminary class for a little bit, but
then we're going to really make all of this relevant.
And prayerfully, the Holy Spirit will make it relevant to
you along the way. But here's the deal. The book
of Zechariah is the second to the last book of
the Old Testament, right after it comes Malachi. So I've
said before on my broadcast on Relevant Word, perhaps you've
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listened to some of them, maybe you've heard me say
this before. But I have said, listen, first of all,
there's no other book on the planet like the Word
of God. I mean, the Word of God contains, watch this,
50 prophecies of the return of Israel in the last days. Now, again,
Israel has returned. And so I don't set dates, though.
I just know according to God's Word, we're in time.
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be very close to the time of the return of
the Lord. I don't know when that'll be. Our lifetime,
as we're talking here today, maybe the lifetime of our children, grandchildren,
but it's not going to be long because Israel's back,
and that's the time clock.
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Well, guess what?
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From Deuteronomy to Zechariah, Zechariah is the next to the
last book, but it's the last book that speaks of
the return of Israel, and it does it in two
chapters in it, in the last days, and gives some
specifics about it, which are absolutely astounding if you know
the rest of God's Word, and if you know history,
and if you're paying attention to what you're looking at
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right now, and what's happening to Israel. The book of
Zechariah talks about it all. Now, here's the deal. It
also talks about the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. It also
talks about the birth of the church. Now, it doesn't
use the word church, but I'll explain that in a moment.
But it's cryptic, yet the words that are used to
describe that cryptic birth of the church are used in
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the New Testament and are used to show that Zechariah
was talking about the birth of the church in the
last days. So this is an amazing book, but here's
the context. Here's the historical context. Zechariah was a prophet,
of course. And then the two main human characters, and
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the reason I say human is because he has a
lot of visions, you know, like Ezekiel and Isaiah did
and Jeremiah and those guys, into the future that God
gave him. But the three human characters, real-life human people
that are a part of this book, the main characters,
they're three guys. Now, this is interesting. Zechariah, the prophet.
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A guy named Joshua, who is going to be the
high priest of the new rebuilt temple. Now, I'm going
to explain the history here in a minute. And then
the third one, Zerubbabel, who has been appointed by the
Persian king Darius to be the overseer of this building project. Now,
this is important. So these three guys have just come
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out of a 70-year Babylonian captivity. Nebuchadnezzar had destroyed Judah, Jerusalem.
They destroyed the temple. They took people off into captivity. Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach,
and Abednego, all of those, that's all a part of
that portion of history. They were in captivity for 70 years. Now,
these three guys were probably born in captivity. If they weren't,
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they were children. So if they weren't born in captivity,
they would, by the time they're being released and now
working on the temple, they would be in their 70s,
maybe close to 80s. But most of them, probably all
three of them, were born in captivity.
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Okay?
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Okay. But now they're free under the Persians. But now
the Persians didn't make slaves out of them, and they
didn't mistreat them. They just said, look, obey our laws.
You can even return to your homeland. You can rebuild
the temple walls, Nehemiah. The whole book of Nehemiah is
about that. You can rebuild the sanctuary itself. Several books
talk about that, including Zechariah. And in fact, the king
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even appointed a guy, Zerubbabel. But these three guys, here's
how they fit in. Now what I'm going to say,
this is a little history lesson, but wait till you
hear how they go together. So Zechariah is the prophet.
He was born into a line of prophets. So obviously
God is using him, and he is prophesying. And man,
when you hear this book and how relevant it is,
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you'll understand. Now, the guy named Joshua, he is the
one that's been anointed and appointed to be the high
priest of the new temple once they get it built.
And there's a whole section in here that talks about,
you know, satanic battle against him. I mean, the spiritual
battle that, you know, trying to keep him from becoming
the high priest. Well, why would he be the high priest?
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He comes from a line of the ancient high priest
in the original temple. Now he's probably born in captivity there.
He's grown up into a viable man, he's a godly man,
and so he's going to be the high priest. Zerubbabel,
that is a Babylonian word, and it means he who
was born— let me put it like this— The seed of Babylon.
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And what that means is he who was born in Babylon.
So he's got that name. He definitely was born in there.
But now the Persian Darius, the king, has appointed him
as the regent or the governor, or you could even
say the king, not over the empire, but over the
whole area that used to be Israel before they were conquered.
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All right?
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So that would be Judea, Galilee, Samaria. all along the
Levant there in what we now know as Israel. So
he was appointed by Persia to be the, and I'm
making air quotes, the king there. And he was charged
with making sure that temple got rebuilt for the Israelites.
Persia said they could do it. Persia did this with
a lot of different people groups. They said you could
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return to your homeland. You can build your altars to
your gods again if you want. Just pay tax. and
obey our laws and everything will be fine. You can
live happy lives. So a lot of the Jews returned.
And so you got these three guys, Zechariah, who's really
prophesying all over the land about what's happening. And then
you got Joshua. Now, Joshua is the English word. In Hebrew,
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that translates to Yehoshua, But then with the Aramaic influence
and a little more modern version of Yehoshua, it's pronounced Yeshua.
So Joshua means what we would say in English, Jesus.
But that's what it means. This is not Jesus incarnate
or in disguise. This is a real man who was
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really born in captivity, but he's got the name Yehoshua.
And guess what they're going to anoint him? A high priest. Well,
the whole New Testament says Jesus is our great high priest.
The whole book of Hebrews says that. Out of the
13 chapters of Hebrews, nine of them focus on the
high priesthood of Jesus Christ. So here's a guy named
Jesus who's going to be the high priest. Now, Zerubbabel
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came from a line of, watch this, kings. Who does
Darius set over that whole area as a king or
a governor or an ambassador to Persia? He sets Zerubbabel.
His grandfather was Jehoiachin. He's the guy that Babylon crushed
and took him into captivity. Nebuchadnezzar put him in prison.
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His grandfather was imprisoned. He comes from the kingly line
of Israel. Now, here's what you have. I want you
to hear this, folks. A prophet, a priest, and a
king are the three main characters of this. Those are
terms and names for Yeshua HaMashiach. in the New Testament
for Jesus Christ. He is the prophet, the greatest that
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ever has been. He is the high priest. I've already
told you how many times that's spoken of. And he
is the king of kings and.
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Lord of lords.
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In fact, when he was coming into Jerusalem, people were
even hailing him as the king, the son of David. Prophet, priest,
and king are the identifying words of Jesus himself. The
three guys that make up this book carry that identification.
Watch this. 520 years before Jesus was even born.
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That's amazing. Over 500 years.
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Yep, half a millennium.
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The relevance of Zechariah. We're learning a lot today, Carl.
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We've got a lot more to go, and this is
going to get really good and relevant.
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And we'll be right back after the break. Thanks for
being here.
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For more on Pastor Carl or to listen to his
podcast anytime, visit carlgallops.com. For more on Pastor Carl or
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to listen to his podcast anytime, visit carlgallops.com. Welcome back
to A Relevant Word with Pastor Carl Gallops. And Carl
got us into the book of Zechariah and the relevance
of Zechariah and how it pertains to... The entire life
of Christ.
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Yeah, it does.
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And it's just amazing when it was written and how
it's relevant to Christ. This is really going to be
a fascinating segment.
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And not only that, everything you said is absolutely true,
but it winds up being extremely relevant to us. And
I've taught other people these and preached on this before,
and people just, they respond. It's like, oh my goodness,
I haven't thought about that. That's right.
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That's right.
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I need to tighten up here and get some things right.
So you'll see all that in a moment, folks. But
hang on, because I'm kind of giving you a little
seminary lesson. So let me start. Let me just remind
you quickly that one of the things I did was
to introduce a the background of this whole book, when
it was written and why it was written, and the
three main characters. And remember, the three main characters are
a prophet, a priest, and a king. As they're rebuilding
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the temple that was destroyed by Babylon, now they're under
the Persians. The prophet is Zechariah, of course, who wrote
the book. He came from a line of prophets before
Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Israel in the temple. And then the priest,
the high priest that's been anointed to kind of oversee
the whole priestly part of it, and he'll get the
other priest with him and anoint them.
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But his name.
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is Joshua in your English translations. In Hebrew, it's Yehoshua.
Or with Aramaic influence, it's Yeshua. It means Jesus. But
now this is a real man. He's a type of Jesus.
As a matter of fact, Zechariah says that in a moment.
I'll give you the scripture and quote it to you
in a minute. But then the third one is Zerubbabel,
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and he comes from a line of kings, of ancient
Israeli kings. In fact, it was his granddaddy, that was
taken into captivity by Nebuchadnezzar. So these guys were either
born in captivity, like Zerubbabel, that's what his name means
in Babylonian, born in Babylon. The other two, we don't
know for sure when they were born, but they were
old enough to be a prophet of this stature and
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a man who would soon be the high priest of
the new temple. So bottom line is, a prophet, a priest,
and a king.
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Wow.
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And that's what we close with. That is the moniker
for Jesus, prophet, priest, and king. Like the three-in-one, you know,
the three-fold person of Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus the Christ, God
with us, Emmanuel also is a prophet, priest, and king.
And the Bible says that in the New Testament over
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and over. Now, you've got to remember, you might say, well,
you know, Zechariah just kind of made that up. No, no,
he wrote a half a millennium before Jesus was even born,
much less went to minister for three years after he
was 30 until about the time he was 33, then
went to the cross, then rose from the grave, then
birthed the church by the Holy Spirit, and now 2,000
years of gospel preaching. No, Zechariah nailed every bit of
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it in reality. in addition to the return of Israel.
Two chapters of Zechariah speak of that. That happened 2,500
years after Zechariah wrote that book. So this is an
amazing prophetic book. Like I said in the beginning, there
are some even scholars who get confused and bum-fuzzled and
have even said, this is weird. This is a weird book. Well,
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it's because you don't know the background. You don't know
the history. You don't know the meanings and the Hebrew
words and what it points to. You can pick out
a few verses and say, well, that sounds like Jesus.
That looks like Jesus. That happened to Jesus. Well, of course,
the whole book is about that. And the birth of
the church is actually prophesied in this book. So we'll
get to it. All right. So here's what I'm going
to do in this last segment. I'm going to give
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a quick overview and show you some of the high
points of the book of Zechariah. It's pretty astounding. And
then I'll save a couple of the high points to
the very last so that I can show you the
complete relevancy to your life today. As you're listening at
home or at the office or driving down the road
or wherever you are, you will hear the relevancy of
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the book of Zechariah, this ancient book that speaks of
all of these things. Again, there's no other book on
the planet like the Word of God. Nothing, no religious
book in the world dared to talk about the things
Zechariah or anybody else in the Old Testament talked about
and prophesied that they would happen. And now we're living
in the time. when almost everything Zechariah prophesied has already happened.
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And so it's recorded in history. We can look back
and see it. Some of it's happened in our generation,
like the return of Israel. That's happened in our generation.
The only thing left from the book of Zechariah basically
is the coming of the Lord, the second coming. And
he writes two chapters about that. So this is an
amazing book, 14 chapters. It's a relatively small book, but
it is, you've got to know the rest of the
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word of God. So let me just remind you of
a few things. First of all, You look at these
three men, but by the time you get to chapter
3 and verse 8, and I'm going to paraphrase all
of this instead of opening the Bible and reading it
word for word every time because we'll run out of time.
But what it says is, now, the word of the
Lord came to Zerubbabel and said, these three men, Joshua
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and the men around him, They are symbolic of what
is to come. It says that right in this prophetic book.
In other words, you've got a prophet and a priest
and a king. Wow, we find out later, that's Yeshua, prophet, priest,
and king of the universe. And so, Zechariah says, now,
in days to come. See, the people of his day
couldn't understand that whole thing of God putting on flesh,
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going to a cross, rising from the dead. But Zechariah knew.
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He saw it.
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And he talks about it in his book. But it's cryptically.
But right there in chapter 3, it says, God says,
you tell them, tell this Joshua guy that's going to
be the high priest. He is a real high priest.
There's going to be a real temple. I know he's
a real man. I am his creator. But he is
symbolic here. of a Yehoshua who is to come, who
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will go to Golgotha. Now, it doesn't say all that,
but it says they are symbolic of what is to come.
And history shows us, in our day we're living in,
shows us exactly how that symbolism was lived out in
Yeshua all the way down to the return of Israel.
So that's an amazing thing. Zechariah 3, verse 8. Now,
in chapter 4, there's a prophecy that he sees. He
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calls it the prophecy of the lampstands and the olive tree.
The olive trees and the lampstand. Well, you know, and
is that the olive tree feeds the golden oil to
the lampstand that causes it to light up, and it
goes on and on, and people read that and say,
what is this about? Well, if you know the book
of Revelation, there's a whole chapter, Revelation 11, about the
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last days and about the two witnesses that stand before
the Lord. And in chapter 11 of Revelation, it says,
these are the olive tree and the lampstand. Well, where
does that come from? Well, if you just stay in
the New Testament, the lampstand, Jesus defines it in the
same book of Revelation, chapter 1. John says, what are
these lampstands I'm seeing? He says, the These lampstands are
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the church.
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Wow.
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Basically, they're giving light to the world. And then the
next two chapters of Revelation are the seven letters to
the seven churches. In fact, he even tells Ephesians, the
church at Ephesus, if you don't return to me, if
you don't return to me, I'm going to remove your lampstand.
So the lampstand is extremely symbolic. It's symbolic of the
menorah in the holy place of the temple, the light
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of God, especially in Jesus Christ. Okay, so the olive tree,
where is that in the New Testament? Romans chapter 11,
the whole chapter, isn't that amazing? Romans 11, Revelation 11,
it's the lampstand olive tree. Because there's an olive tree,
and the Jewish people that come to Yeshua are grafted
back in. They were cut off because they refused to believe,
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but they're grafted back into the olive tree. The Gentiles said,
you heard the gospel, and you came, and you were
grafted into the olive tree. And then Paul goes on
to write in all of his other books that, look,
the olive tree is Israel, spiritual Israel. And if you're
Jew or Gentile, and you're under the blood of Yeshua,
you are what's called the one new man that I'm
building into the temple of the last days. It all
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starts there. with the olive tree feeding the lampstands and
the church is born. Let's just face it, brother, you
go to a denominational church. I've been to denominational churches,
et cetera, et cetera. I pastor a church, but the
deal is we came from Israel. I mean, we came
right out of the Old Testament pages and in Zechariah 4,
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it prophesies that.
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And it says, not by might, not by power, but
by my spirit, says the Lord. A lot of people
quote that. They don't even know that comes from Zechariah 4.
What he's saying is, no, you're not going to build
the church, humanly speaking. You're not going to get a
gospel together and preach it, humanly speaking. It's going to
come by my Holy Spirit that's going to birth the
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Christ child, that's going to bring him into three years
of ministry, that's going to empower him to do miracles
only God can do because he is God in the flesh,
that's going to empower him to go to the cross
because that's prophesied all through the Old Testament, that's going
to empower him to be risen from the dead. Nothing
else can do that but the Spirit of God himself.
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And then the church is going to be born. And
Zechariah is talking about it 500 years before any of
that happens, a half a millennium. And he's saying the
olive tree is going to feed the lampstand and the
birth of the church will come.
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All right.
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So you got all of that.
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That's amazing.
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Boy, I could teach and preach on that all day.
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All right.
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And then chapter 8 and chapter 10, both of those
prophesy about the return of Israel in the last days.
I've said it before. 50 prophecies about the return of
Israel from Deuteronomy to Zechariah. Chapter 9. In all four gospels,
quote this, quote this, black and white, where, behold, Israel, Zion,
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your king will come to you riding on a donkey. Well,
Jesus fulfilled that. In fact, it says having salvation with him.
That word salvation in English translates in Hebrew to Yeshua.
Your king will come to you riding on a donkey,
having Jesus with him. And then you will know that
you're king. That's literally what it says. And it's quoted
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in all four gospels. And half a millennium before it happened.
And then in chapter 10 and 11, there are condemnation
of the good shepherd. That would be Jesus, not condemnation,
but exaltation. And the condemnation of the evil shepherds. And
it talks about how this one that will come, the
good shepherd, will have to fight the so-called shepherds of
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his day. They're ruining the people, taking advantage of the people,
destroying the people because of their lust for power and wealth. Well, anyway,
it goes on and on. And it finds that the
30 pieces of silver are mentioned that.
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He will be.
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Rebelled against and be betrayed for. 30 pieces. It says
that a half a millennium before it happens. But here's
what I want to hit you with before we go.
Chapter 1, verse 3 of Zechariah. God says, you tell
my people, return to me and I will return to you.
Chapter 7, it says, you know, when I called to
my people and spoke to their hearts, they didn't listen
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to me. So finally, when they did call, and the
implication is like I'm a genie in a bottle or something,
I didn't listen to them. Now, folks, as you're listening
to this, take an assessment of your heart. God says,
if you're off wandering in something that you know is sin,
he said, if you'll return to me, I'll return to
you and I can bless you. If you don't, I
can't bless you. And he says, and you, I'm calling
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to you. But if you don't listen, then five years
from now, when all of a sudden you need me
like a spare tire in your trunk, I'm not going
to listen to you. You've got to learn your lesson.
You're a child of the kingdom. You've got to listen
to me. You've got to follow me. Return to me.
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The relevance of Zechariah. Man, we could probably talk all
day on this. I could.
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In fact, I've done a whole sermon series on it.
They can find it online at my website.
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Thank you for that, Carl. I've learned a lot today. Well,
thank you.
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No, I enjoy teaching and preaching, and thank you. Thank you, listeners,
so much. And I pray that the Lord would bless
you and keep you always.
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a union apprenticeship. No massive student loan debt, just real training,
real skills, and real opportunities. Many union trades earn $ 40
to $ 75 an hour in total compensation, including health care
and retirement. With major construction projects happening across St. Louis
and Missouri, there's never been a better time to get started.
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