Damla Selin Tomru: Gobekli Tepe, Mysteries of the Neolithic Era

At the dawn of human history, on a sun-blazed hill in Southeastern Anatolia, an ancient mystery was carved into stone. Göbeklitepe, older than Stonehenge and the Pyramids, stands as a silent witness to the birth of belief itself. Yet beyond its massive pillars and enigmatic carvings lies another story, one of human longing, memory, and return.Damla Selin Tomru invites readers on a journey that transcends time and geography. Her exploration begins as a personal pilgrimage and expands into a dialogue with archaeologists, mystics, and scientists who each see Göbeklitepe through different eyes.

Through these voices the reader discovers not only the earliest temple known to humankind but also the enduring human need to create meaning amid the unknown.This is not merely a book about archaeology; it is an intimate meditation on transformation. From the dust of the Fertile Crescent to the silence of the excavation trenches, Tomru uncovers how faith, art, and civilization were born together.Göbeklitepe reminds us that every journey outward, to ancient ruins and forgotten symbols, is also a journey inward. In the meeting between past and present, Göbeklitepe: Mysteries of the Neolithic Era opens the door to a profound realization that what we seek in the stones of history has always lived within us.

Damla Selin Tomru is one of Turkey’s most vocal experts on the subject of Tas Tepeler, the high culture that created extraordinary ritual centres at places like Gobekli Tepe, Karahan Tepe and Sayburc. Her aim is to bring together the archaeologists working at these sites and the ancient mystery writers that see them as evidence of a lost page of human history. Her new book, titled Gobekli Tepe, does just that giving equal time to both sides of the divide so that the reader can make their own minds up on the true nature of this gradually emerging picture of discovery, which is constantly revealing new finds and new mysteries.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Hey, my friends, welcome to Earth Ansias. This is your host,
Cliff Dunning and we are officially launching our twenty twenty
six Earth Ancient Grand Egyptian Tour. It's going to be
held April twenty eight through May tenth. We all meet
in Cairo and it's the beginning of the Egyptian Tour season.

(01:12):
This is a special tour. We're only going to take
about twenty to twenty five people maximum. This includes visits
to the Grand Egyptian Museum, which just opened over one
million artifacts to see. We're traveling to a number of
ancient Old Kingdom sites and seeing megaliths. This is a

(01:32):
megalithic tour. We'll be looking at the largest statuary in
the world, including Ramses too. We'll visit a number of
temples including Hathar Karnak Luksar. We'll be at Tennis, one
of the oldest sites in the world, and we'll be
viewing the ruins of that site. Part of the tour

(01:55):
includes a travel on the Nile in a five star
votes and all your accommodations are covered, from wonderful meals
to beverages, to first class hotels and private visits. This
is something very rarely seen in most general public tours.
For all the details and information, go to Earthancients dot

(02:19):
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win twenty twenty five ins the price will go up,
so try to get your registration in as soon as possible.
The twenty twenty six Earth Ancient's Grand Egyptian Tour is
officially launched and you'll be hearing more from various people

(02:41):
on the tour, including our host, Mohammad Imbrahem. I've been
waiting for the museum and Cairo to open for about
seven years now. They keep delaying, delaying, delaying, and it
finally opened November first. The entire five hundred thousand square

(03:04):
foot museum is open and every section is available, and
we're gonna spend at least a day there. We might
spend another half day. Mohammed has hardly been to that place,
and a lot of people that I know who are
residents of Carol have not been there, so this is
going to be a great opportunity to visit that site.

(03:27):
It is fabulous if you look at some of the photographs,
not only in a monstrosity, it is filled with some
of the largest statuary I've ever seen, including a number
of well known Ramseys sculptures and then pharaoh's from various
dynastic periods. So that's worth the price of admission right there.

(03:50):
This is a five star tour and it is wonderful
and it is a blast to go, and it's gonna
be a blast. So come out and join us again
for more and go to Earth Ancients dot com forward
slash tours. Hey, we have a great one today. My
friend Delma Temru is joining us. She is a Turkish

(04:14):
research investigator. She was our tour guide in twenty twenty
three when we went over to Sequel, Beckley, Teppe Karrahan,
Teppee and all these artifact museums that are popping up,
most notably the one in Istanbul. This is a beautiful

(04:35):
state of the art museum that is gorgeous. We have
Damla on the program to talk about her point of
view as a expert on the test Taplar culture. She
is constantly working with people like Hugh Newman and Andrew Collins,
but she's also working with the archaeological departments in Stanbul

(05:01):
and Turkey to be getting clarifying what is being found.
She has just released a new book called Go Beckley
Teppee Mysteries of the Neolithic Era, and it is part
of her research and a number of other people. It
is now the official guide book that you can find
in various stores when you travel to Turkey, and she's

(05:25):
going to be talking about that today as well as
a conference that will be coming up next year that
includes a lot of people that we know on the program,
but a lot of people we don't typically engage with.
And these are the people who took over for Klaus Schmidt,
who was the initial discoverer of Go Beckley Teppe but

(05:49):
passed away before the other Teppies could be unveiled, including
Carahan Teppe and Say Burke. So there's a lot to
cover in today's program, a lot of material that is
not typically divulged to the general public because foreigners are

(06:10):
the ones who are writing the books and it's very
rare that anything out of the academic circles is provided
to the general public. So this is what we're and
it's really nice to have Delma on the program to
discuss what she has uncovered again what some of the

(06:32):
myths and legends are of these tepees, because we don't
really get that information. It's very rarely divulged and some
of the sacredness. Now, the other thing we're talking about,
and this is why I am having Delma on the program,
is she's talking about lay lines and she's very sensitive

(06:53):
to tullaric fields and this is something that's important. I
didn't know that Go Beckley Teppee has an area that
is on top of a toleric burst or tolleric energy field.
And that's wonderful to know because when I go again,
and we will planning a tour maybe in twenty twenty seven,

(07:15):
I'll make sure that we sit and we get a
sense of where this energy is. Apparently it's close to
one of the temples at go Beckley Tippy and there's
another one that's just been uncovered at Carahan Teppee. So
today's program is Go Beckley Teppe Mysteries of the Neolithic Era,

(07:37):
and my guest is Damla Celin tomru Hey. The seventh
Annual Grand Egyptian Tour is coming up. We have Mohammad
and Nohah e bring him with us. We're gonna be
visiting Tennis, Egypt, which is very very old. We don't

(07:59):
know what happened there. It looks like a catastrophic event happened.
It has megalithic structures, statues, and some large pieces strewed
around Muhammad. What do we know about Tennis? What makes
it so unique?

Speaker 2 (08:14):
What we know about Tennis unfortunately so little, but it
is so little incomveniate with the importance and the greatness
of Tennis. But for us it is very high level
of information. Number One, what we know that Tennis was
a great center of knowledge in Incia, Egypt. It was

(08:35):
the big city receiving all the travelers and immigrants and
visitors to Egypt from the northeast part of Egypt, they
come across Sinai. The second thing about Tennis that there
was a massive size tembile or I can call it
big town. We call it temble dedicated to Amonra. This

(09:00):
timble or this village, if I can call it this
way was completely puilt out of rose granite.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
From us one.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
You know what people don't know that there was more
than twelve obelisks in Tennis, maybe more, but the remains
some of them still in good condition, but all of
them are laying on the ground. The one they took
it to the Grand Museum, the one in front of
the main gate of the Grand Museum is from Tennis,

(09:27):
and the one in Tarry Square now is from Tennis.
So there are about ten obelisks or eight obelisks still
there at Tennis. So the story is very strange because
we expected, even if the temble was in bad condition,
we expected more ruins to see more cat ORed blocks,

(09:49):
but we found only few. But we found the biggest.
By the way, there are remains of blocks weighing more
than two hundred ton and three hundred ton we found
the foot of a statue. According to the dimension of
the foot, the statue would be more than fifteen hundred ton.
The foot is like a car size.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Okay, so we don't know what happened exactly. It must
be something very strong hit Tennis and hit that temple
and it causes it caused great damage, like great exublusion
happened inside the temple and cause that all the pieces
are scattered on a distance maybe like three or four

(10:33):
kilometers wide.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Amazing.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
When people go to Tennis, they're going to feel the
magic and they feel the dips of the history of Tennis.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Come and join us. It's going to be April twenty
eight through May tenth. For all the details and the itinerary,
go to earthacients dot com forward slash tours. I was

(11:38):
in Turkey back in twenty twenty three. We were there
to see not only go Back to Teppee, but Carahan Teppee,
beautiful Istanbul, the museums, the wonderful people there and I
just fell in love with Turkey. I wanted to go back.
We will go back. And our tour guy was my
guest today, dan La ceiling tom Rue, and she is

(12:03):
a I would consider her somewhat of an expert on
the culture known as taz Templar, which is what we
call the people who actually built Goebecley Teppy and these
other strange undersurface temple. Damla has written a new book
called go Beckley Teppee Mysteries of the Neolithic Era, and

(12:25):
we have her on Daday to talk about this. But
what's really fascinating about Damila is obviously she's a resident
of Turkey. We haven't had anyone talk about the perspective
of the represidents of Turkey, how have they been impacted
by this huge discovery and what it means for them
as a people. So dam well Welcome to Earth Ancient

(12:48):
is great to have you on the program, Michailiff.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
It's been such a pleasure for me to be the
first Turkish person who we'll talk about quebecy Teppe.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
It's very cool, it's very cool. Definitely talk a little
bit about yourself. You are what were you born in Istanbul?

Speaker 4 (13:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:09):
I was born in Istanbul and since then I'm still here.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, well you're educated in Istanbul as well? Or did
you leave this country to be educated?

Speaker 3 (13:21):
I was graduated from a communication department of a Francophone
university here in Istanbul, and then I got my masters
degree on a tour guide in twenty twenty, so I'm
an official tour guide also.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, I should mentioned at the end of the show,
we'll talk a little bit about how you can hook
up with dan Wela to do her tour. She's excellent
and she knows the country exceptionally. Well. What did the
Turkish people think of this discovery? Dan? Well, I mean
gobecly Teppe came on the scene when Schmid released the
information you know now, it's been was what fifteen twenty years?

Speaker 3 (14:05):
It was nineteen ninety five that the first time we
heard about Quebec de Tepe, and it was a very
important news obviously, and at that time I was just
like twenty years old or something, so actually, to be
honest with you, I was not so aware of the
importance of Quebec Tepe. But later that we realized that

(14:29):
something huge is going on here, and especially in the
early two thousands one on five, it bec became more
and more important. But unfortunately the biggest news came after
class Schmidt's death, right, Yeah, so I wish that he

(14:55):
could see the new achievements and the new discoveries in
Goebec Liittepe, and I wish that he could see people
are getting more and more interested in gebec Leitza.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
But yeah, do you think that the general population of
Turkey was shocked at the number of people that were
flying into the country to see this place and that
the fact that quebeci Tepe was constantly in the news
or did the general public just kind of go on
and keep doing there whatever they were doing.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
To be honest with you, I think gebecit Tepe at
first became popular in different countries than Turkey itself.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
And the more interesting thing is.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
That the people who lives in Urfa. Most of them
couldn't visit gebecitees.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Can you imagine really?

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Yeah, because when I talked to them there, just saying that,
oh it is so close, we can go there tomorrow
or next year or something like that.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah. I mean when I went there, the roads were
really good, so they didn't have to build a road
to go Beckley Teppy. But maybe it wasn't as good
as well when they started making it available to tourists.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
You you mean the road near to visit area or.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah, I mean to the road from maybe the main
highway to go Beckley Teppee. Maybe they had to do
they had to make a new road.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
No, they just make it better, that's.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
All excellent, excellent. So were there Turkish authors that were
beginning to write about go Beckley Teppy and Carahan Teppy
when it was discovered following Klaus Schmidt's discovery?

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Mm hmm, I mean for Beckley Teppe.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Now an archaelogist called Alumuk Chang wrote a book it's
in Turkish till now, and he is also an archaeologist
from Chattalhyuk. You remember Chattalhuk which is in Konya.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
I know the name, but I forget what part of
the country was located in Okay.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
It is in Konia where Roomy Roomy's place and Chattalhyuk
is a little bit younger than gebek Leittepe area. But
it is also important because maybe you remember the houses
of Chattalhyuk. There were so many depictions of vultures and bulls.

(17:41):
You remember that, Yeah, they painted with occur the red
painting right. Yeah, And there were so many similarities between
chattal Hayuk depictions symbols and Goebekleittepe. Also, so Ali Muchan
wrote a book about Quebec Lettep and there are some
several how can I say, some kind of romantic novel

(18:07):
style books about quebecit Tepe. And now I know that
Naje mccaddles, the director of all the Stone Hills area,
the archaeologist, he's writing a book about Karape. And to
be honest with you, my publisher wanted me to write
a book about Karpe.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
But I'm waiting for Nije Mikadole's book.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, and your book just came out. You got to
take a break for a minute, rest up and get
the next one going. Why did you decide to write
a book, Dan, what was what inspired you to write
your book?

Speaker 3 (18:45):
To be honest with you, at first, my plan wasn't
writing a book. It was about making a documentary about
Quebec Tepe. And it happened in twenty twenty because you know,
I'm also making some interviews for magazines in Turkey and
I made an interview with Andrew Collins in twenty seventeen,

(19:07):
and after that we became friends. And one day he
sent me a message and told me, asked me if
I know about she Gul Boibasch and Sen Boibach is
the writer for the serials for Netflix called Ottier The
Gift and it's just about Quebec Tepet.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
Have you watched it?

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, I saw it. It was amazing because they I
think they have some shots that are close to the
actual ruins.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Cool. Yeah, they got permission, I guess, to get to
take photographs in film of the actual ruins.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yes, there's special permissions from the ministry, so if you
can get them, you can make that kind of filming there.
So anyhow, I arranged the meeting on Zoom with Andrew
Collins and Schengul and at the end of the day
they told me that you should do something about Quebec leetoo.

(20:04):
So at that point I decided to make a documentary
about it, and I connected with Martin Swetman, Robert Schock,
Lids Cranton, and also At first Nage Vicar said no
because you know, unfortunately there are some how can I say,

(20:27):
not a very good image about alternative researchers.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, like Andrew Collins has different theories about who the
people were and we're going to talk about that in
a minute. So he was very welcoming to Andrew Collins
in the beginning.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
And the others also.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
So he told me that I'm not gonna be in
your documentary, but I told him that if you want
to share all the knowledge, all the true correct knowledge
with everyone, then you should be in this documentary. Then
he decided to be a part of it and we

(21:07):
made an interview with him. At that time, he was
excavating karapes. So actually we were the first ones who
made an interview about And you know, there are some
kind of care code on the book, and by using
this carecode, you can watch all these interviews on a
YouTube channel.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Oh that's in your book the code.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Yes, Because since I couldn't make the documentary. I wrote
this book and I decided to put all these interviews
online so that people can watch them.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Is that a YouTube channel?

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, it's called Alternative Archaeology fantastic.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
I had to make sure people get that. When we're finished.
Talk about the test templars, what do we know about them?
We don't really really don't have a skeletal remain of anybody,
except I did want to ask you about a crainium,
a skull that we found or somebody found. I don't

(22:09):
know if it was in Carahan, Teppye or Shaybrook, but
it's kind of east. Talk about what we know about
who the people were.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Okay, at first, when you were here in twenty twenty three,
we taught that there are only twelve stone hills, but
today we know that there are more than forty stone
hills around Urfa Teppiees. Yeah, yeah, so who were these people?

(22:41):
To be honest, speak to you. There are some theories
about it. And also do we have any skeletons in
this area?

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (22:52):
For example, in Stafartape there's a special room where twenty
two different skeletons, So probably it was a special ritualistic
place and people were just burying their most sacred people there.

(23:12):
And also they found a skeleton just last year in
Karantepe And while they found it, actually I was there
and it was the first time that I saw a
skeleton and it was some kind of traumatic team for me.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
They make you uncomfortable little bits. Yeah, it's kind of
unnerving when you see the skeleton remains of a body. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, but then I just shake and said, where is
the Indiana Indiana Jones part of you?

Speaker 4 (23:46):
You should be excited. So actually about the.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Skeletons, we don't have enough information about the dating or
something like that because only one skeleton they found now
and they are just making some kind of tests on
the skeletons. And also we had two skeletons in the
Beekletepe area.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
Really yeah, we didn't talk about it.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
When I think that there was a partial skeleton, but
I didn't know there was a full skeleton that was discovered.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, they found two different skeletons near the Structure A,
and it is someplace near Structure A. And also there
are some kind of cisterns for the water storage and

(24:42):
it's in the middle of these two different structures. And
these skeletons belong to young people. Two young people ages
between sixteen to eighteen years old. So probably these young
people were someone important or belong to the important family.

(25:06):
They think so, but we don't have enough information about
it to be Honestpeak you you know that goebec Tepe
is a place with terrazzo surface, and they found these
skeletons under this ratzo surface. But since this surface is

(25:28):
also important because all these T shaped pillars are on
top of this surface, it was not very easy for
them to make excavation or dig all these areas. So
we don't know if there are other skeletons under this
ratza play.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
So you haven't found like a cemetery or a burial
area that was used to vary bodies. Are just I think,
would they sacrifice sacrificial bodies that were killed or no?

Speaker 4 (26:01):
No, they have just died naturally.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Okay, And we don't know the ages yet because that
hasn't there's no carbon dating that's been done yet. Is
that what you're saying?

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yes, yes, you're right, Okay.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
I guess the next question is you know where We
don't know where these people came from because we have
no documents, right, we don't know if they came from
Asia or they came from Europe or wherever.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
And actually there are some theories about it. Some of
the Terroritians are saying that those people were local people
and they were just living there. So for example, Mellard,
the archeologist. Mellard said that on Aatolia is where the

(26:53):
civilization and the humanity were born. So there's like theory.
And another theory is that you know, around Israel area
there are people not Toufians, so people are believing that
they were Levant or Notatufian who immigrated from this area
and coming to Anatolia. And also there are some other

(27:17):
Territians and they are saying that from west around Russia
and Calcosia people immigrated here. We are not sure about
the origins of these people, but we are sure that
the people who built Stonehenge had the same DNA from

(27:39):
this area.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Oh wow. Yeah, We're going to take a short commercial
break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we
will return shortly with my guest today, Delma tom Rue,
discussing her new book Qubectly Happy Mysteries of the Neolithic Era.

(28:05):
Will be right back. My guess today is Delma tom Rouse.

(28:52):
She is coming to us from Istanbul, Turkey. She has
written a new book called go Beckley Cappy Mysteries of
the Neolithic Era. This is a look at not only
go Beckley Teppy, but Karrahan Teppee and now the identification
of forty additional teppees throughout this northern region of Turkey.

(29:18):
What makes go Beckley Tepees so amazing is that it's
dated to twelve thousand, five hundred years ago. And I
think Karahan Teppees, what fourteen thousand years is when they
buried it or something just amazingly old time.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Actually, Karan Tepe and gebecy Tepe are more or less
the similar age.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, okay, so what's that twelve five hundred.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
Around twelve thousands years old?

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, And I mean that's so amazing. We don't have
any places anywhere that has sophisticated building or we want
to call them temples, that are that old, and that's
why people are just shocked. Do you think the archaeological
community accepts those dates and welcomes that or does it

(30:11):
cause a problem for certain archaeologists.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
And to be honest with you, I have good relations
with the excavation team of and they are totally okay
with this reality.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
It's a very big reality, a very big paradigm shift.
You you have and you write about this, there's something
like ten different theories of what go Beckley Teppe was
used for. What give us a couple of examples. I mean,
my one of my feelings is after seeing it and

(30:53):
after talking to people like Andrew Collins and Graham Hancock,
so that it was a teaching it was a reboot.
You know, it was after a cataclysmic event, and people were,
you know, whoever survived that cate cosmic event were ignorant

(31:13):
on how to grow grain, grow food, live and survive.
But what is give us some theories that you have
developed or have heard about.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Okay, maybe we can talk about Robert shocks story. For
his opinion, it's a huge university. Get back to tape
and he's saying that maybe we just found the monumental
part of the university. But he believes that it's a place.

(31:46):
It's like an academy where people are learning some architectural thing.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
Or scientific teing.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
For example, I have a Turkish friend who is into
an alack ice and for his theory it was a
laboratory laboratory and they were making some kind of DNA
studies there. For example, for some Theoriians, it's like a

(32:16):
ritualistic place because you know, they built these structures after
the younger dryas, so people were just a little bit
worried about that kind of natural diseases or dangers, so
they would like to build that kind of ritual to

(32:36):
have strong connections so that that kind of things can
be prevented. Yeah, and to be honest with you when
I'm when I'm there, it feels me like it's like
a special place for the diseased ones. It's like honoring

(33:00):
their souls by depicting their heroic stories. For me, every monoliths,
you know, there are some monoliths in the middle of
the structures. It represents some ancestors because you know, during

(33:20):
so many times, the ancestral relations are important, so you
need to honor your ancestors so that they can protect you.
So when I'm looking all these places, all these structures,
they look like a little bit important symmetery kind of
thing for me.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
How interesting give us a sense of what we're looking at.
When we go to go back to Teppy and we
look at one of these I'm going to call them pits.
How do you think people enter them? And what do
you think describe the interior? We have these beautiful motiate
tea columns, but what else is unique about one of

(34:04):
these little temples? Talk about them. You gave us an
outline what they look like.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Okay, at first we need to imagine someplace green not yellow,
because at that time the climate was much more better. Yeah,
there are some water resources also, And the interesting thing
is that we are talking about twelve years ago and

(34:32):
there were so many cisterns, so it means that these
people virer genius. They were building these systems to store
the voter For example, in Karajante, pet they found twenty
six huge cistern for water cisterns. Wow, yeah, it is crazy.

(34:53):
So the places were like they have some kind of
roof made you know, branches, leaves, herbs, that kind of things,
and there were some small holes on top of the
roofs and they were using some kind of escalator to
go down to the houses or these ritual places. So

(35:18):
it means that yes, these places can These places were
not very dark, but at the same time they were
not like outdoor places.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Right, they had some coveries, they had some roof Yeah.
What's interesting I know though, and I'm curious about your opinion,
is some of these temples, especially they go back to Happy,
have very large tea columns and others have small and
so some of these temples must have been observatories.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Some people are saying that, to be honest with you,
these T shaped pillars are from three to six meters
height and the weight of these pillars are from forty
to sixty tons tons, so there are huge, very huge,
and to be honest with you, the older ones are

(36:19):
the higher and how can I say, bigger ones larger Yeah, yeah,
the larger ones. And people were using this area for
more than fifteen hundred years, so it's a long time
of period. And to be honest with you, when you

(36:41):
go inside these areas, you are just seeing. You are
in the middle of a huge place covered with very
very high, very tall T shaped pillars. And in the
middle of this area you are seeing two bigger monoliths,

(37:01):
and there are some kind of carvings on these pillars.
So it means that if you are having some kind
of torch on your hands, you can see the shadows
also just like an animation interest. So it means that

(37:22):
it's like a three D movie of our times.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
How funny. You know, when I was go back to Tippy,
there's like seating built into the walls, like people could
sit around the t pillars. But the other thing that
and I haven't asked anybody until now, is that they
looks like they put cement on the floor or or

(37:48):
they cut the floor down and it made it very
very flat. That is that cement mortar or some kind
of hard flooring of some kind.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
It's not a cement, it's terrazzo, and it's it's not
a cement, but they are using different kind of materials
to have these flat surfaces. Yes, it's sozzo. It's like
a reddish field. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
I mean Karah and Teppy the flooring was almost like
they had poured cement on it. It was very flat and
easy to walk on. It was amazing that they would
do that.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Kara is a little bit different because they carved the
whole area to a rock. So they carved the rock
and they made these pillars and the sitting areas and everything.
But and Karate are boat limestones, but the quality of

(39:03):
limestone in Karahantpe is lower than what does it mean?
The percentage of soil is more in Karape. Because of this,
the stone is smoother and softer, but unfortunately it means

(39:24):
that it is fragile. So that they decided to build
this rooftop for Karahantepe and they will add some canopiece
to stop the slipping because you know, it's not a
flat area and unfortunately the walls around these areas started

(39:50):
to slip, and so yeah, to stop it, they need
to make this roof and other canopies in interesting.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Uh, the museum for these temples is amazing. I love
your museum that was built. And in the museum when
I was there, they had one or two humanistic figures,
but most of them were animals. Have they have they

(40:21):
decided or thought about or theorized what the reason was
for that? And because we have Karahan Tippy which has
these very tall people, these men, that makes that a
whole unique area. So perhaps each of these sites was
used for certain ceremonies or lessons of some kind. What

(40:44):
do you think of that?

Speaker 3 (40:46):
To be honest with you, If I need to make
a choice between Gebek and.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
Definitely my choice is.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Kar I love it. I'm sorry, I admit it. It's
really it's got human human sculptures. But go ahead and
talk about it.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
Let's forget about Quebec.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah, yeah, anyhow, actually they found some little statues and
masks of human in Gebecita and at the area. And
just this excavation season they found a statue in Gebeite
human statue maybe you know it's I'm not so sure.

(41:32):
Between the structure B and structure D, there is a
vole and they found this human statue in the vault.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
I got a picture from Andrew. He sent me Andrew
call and sent me the photograph. Very unusual.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Yeah, so it means that there were some human statues
in Gebecitat also fantastic.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah, yeah, go ahead, you finished.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
I want to down to town.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
What what is the time factor for them to dig
one of these things out? How long does it take
them to dig one of these temples out? Because all
that dirt is piled on top of the t stones,
and then there's sculptures, and then they're seating, and then
there's obviously some artifacts. But when you're talking to the archaeologists,

(42:21):
does it take them a month? That's to take them
a year. How long does it take them because they
seem to go pretty quick where they're starting to dig.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
They are just making the excavation every year only for
five months. Ah, so we can make calculations something like
based on this classroom. It started the excavation in nineteen
ninety five in Gebeklitate, and now after twenty years, only

(42:52):
ten percent of the whole area were excavated.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
So when I talk to them, because you know, I'm
so curious about it, and to be honest with you,
when I make the calculation, I just realize that I'm
not going to see the whole area because I will
be that when they finish the whole area, you know,

(43:19):
because it will take so many times. But they are
saying that they are doing it purposely because you know archaeology.
At first, they are just making the excavation and then
they are just making some discoveries and then they need
to make some research on it to create a proper

(43:41):
knowledge instead of row data. So also they are just
keeping some places under the soil because it's the most
protective way, and they are just waiting to technology be

(44:02):
more advanced.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Oh interesting, Okay, So.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Unfortunately there are some wrong news about it. People are
saying that, oh, they are not making any excavation in
gebec Le Tepe. Some people are trying to stop that
kind of excavations and blah blah blah blah. But to
be honest with you, the reality isn't like that. You

(44:28):
need time for archaeology because archaeology is the slowest science.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
It's called methodical. They're slow, but very accurate in how
they dig and things like that. We're going to take
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Tamro comming to us from Istanbul. Will be right back.

(45:42):
Damla Tomru is my guest today. She is a resident
of Istanbul, Turkey. She is a participant in a number
of activities around the digs at go Beckley Teppee, Karahan
Teppee and many of the other sites that are now
in the news in Turkey. What's the season When you

(46:03):
say five months, when's the start? When's the ends of
the season?

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Yeah, around June the season starts in Urfa for Stone Hills,
and around late October early November it ends.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Okay, but only the excavation ends.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
After that, they started to make their research at the
laboratory of the universities and they started to write some
academic articles.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Is the Turkish government accepting funding from say the Germans
or the Americans or the English to help with this
or is it all the Turkish archaeological community that's funding
the digs and the research.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
To be honest with you, they have enough sponsors. For example,
Turkish Airlines is one of the main sponsors of Stone
Hills projects.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
Yeah. And also you know for.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Gebecit Tepe they are collaborating with a German archaeologist institute.
For example, if I'm not wrong with Chuck Martepe, they
are working with japan archaeologists.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
And also you.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Remember maybe during the launch event of this statue in Gebecape,
the Japanese princess was here because they made an agreement
about archaeological collaboration again, so probably for other Stone Hills
they will be making other collaborations with Japanese archaeologists also.

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And you know this year they announced that now we
have an older Tepe and its name is man Mandictepe.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
We don't have.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Enough information about Mendictepe, but I know that there are
three different settlements in the structure, the smaller ones for storage,
the medium ones for houses, and the bigger ones for
the rituals. But I haven't been there, but probably this

(48:22):
month I will be visiting it and I will be
sharing some photos with you.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Well, we will definitely post those photographs Demla of the
forty sites the teppis that have been found. How did
they find the I mean, we knew about the Saybrook,
we knew about Gobaci, tepping care hand Tappy. How did
they use some software or some kind of scanning technology

(48:47):
to discover the others?

Speaker 3 (48:50):
To be honest with you, they used some other archaeological
datas from the past time. For example, how did they
found Gebecitepe Because there were some articles about gebec tit
tepep back to nineteen sixties and nineteen eighties. So when

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class Schmidt was here for Nevalichori excavation, he decided to
make a research about it because he thought that if
Nevalichori is here, then it means that there must be
some places.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Older than Nevalichori.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
So by reading this text he found some places and
then he went to gebec Liitepe. He talked to the
farmer there and he told that, oh, I found a
statue here, but it is now in museum. And then
class Schmidt went to the museum and found the statue.

(49:46):
That's the story of gebekleit tepep. But for example for
Seftepe it's interesting because there is a university in Urphights
called Haram. And when they were talking the class about
this gebekite Te students told that, oh, we had some
similar T shape pillars in our village. So the event

(50:10):
and the event to his village and they found that
it's a Neolytic settlement also, and since the student's name
was Cephar.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
They called this hill.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Oh. Interesting.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
We can say that some of them, some of the
hills were found based on the old articles, and some
of them just found by the villagers.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Fantastic. To date, I don't Noah or I have not
read of any writing that's been found any describing any
hieroglyphic symbology other than the animals and what looks like
planets on the T columns. Is there any writing that's

(50:58):
been found, any uh, hieroglyphs or symbology that looks like
could be it could be some form of writing MM hmm.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
And to be honest with you, if I'm not wrong,
Mi Krula was saying that all these animals and symbols
were their alphabets.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Oh okay, well that's something new to then, So are
they beginning to compile that? So they have kind of
an alphabet of some kind.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
I mean, it's not like alphabet alphabet. But it is
obvious that by these depictions they were trying to tell
a story. Oh, just like a writing. Yes, we have
some symbols, especially in Gebetitepel, like these ahe symbols, some
precent symbols, and some people are saying that this prescent

(51:53):
represent the different phases of the moon and age, representing
the breach between the earth and beyond life part. But
we couldn't be so sure about it.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Do you think there's a spiritual and perhaps a I
don't want to say a cult, but perhaps a esoteric
aspect to the the teppees that we see.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Okay, for my own opinion, it is so obvious that
these people were one hundred person shamans because they were
just using animals for depiction. And you know, in shamanism
they are always using the power animals because every animal

(52:47):
has some significance power elements, and by depicting them or
viewing some clothings like these animals viewing somethings or fox
tales and that kind of stuff, you can use this
animal's power.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
And also yeah, yeah, go ahead, okay.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
And also in shamanism, ancestors are so important, so for example,
you can have some clothings or some special objects from
this ancestor with you and you believe that this object
is protecting you. And here in Gebecitepe we are seeing

(53:32):
that they are depicting some ancestors in the middle of
these structures as two big monoliths pillars, so I think
they were shamans. And for example, Andrew Colinists is also
saying that anonakai were Anonakai means the sky watchers and

(53:56):
the shamans were watching the sky. So I think he's
all saygree about it.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Yeah, I mean he talked first about beneficent the beneficence
coming down from Siberia and those are the people, and
then he got into the ananachi. I think that got
him in trouble with the Turkish government though, because he
was publishing that, and I think he wasn't. He banned

(54:24):
for a few years from actually coming to Turkey's show.
You can talk about it, because he was on the
show with me and admitted that he had gotten in
trouble because of his writing. But what do you say
about his ideas of Ananachi and dinificence. Yeah, it could

(54:45):
be the same thing. Ananachi and dignificence could be the
same race.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Actually, just today we talked with him because I was
a little bit excited about this podcast, and he was
just saying that don't worry, everything will be okay. And
now he has some new theories about Turkey.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
Turkey.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
He thinks that there are some potential important things in Erzurum.
But I will let him talk about it with you anyhow. Yes,
there was a misunderstanding.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Yeah, I'm misunderstanding.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Yeah, in prayer and recallings in Turkey because because at
first he chose the wrong publisher, unfortunately, and he wrote
somehow can I say stuff which can be manipulated by

(55:48):
some groups of people? So and unfortunately I'm not so
sure if it is unfortunate or fortunate. But he's really
crazy about Stone Hills, and he has that kind of
Indiana Jones soul, and sometimes he's he's acting very brave.

(56:13):
He's just forgetting the boundaries and legal teams. Because of this,
he can have some troubles and he experienced that kind
of troubles. But now everything is getting better. I hope
for him. But still natur Caddle and archeology team have

(56:39):
some not very good how can I say not very
good ideas about him but.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Interesting except him his presence now or does he still
get upset about him being in Turkey? I want to
because I want to talk about Carl here in a second.
I'm just curious because you interviewed him and you you know,
he probably gave you his opinion.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
It's okay to be honest with you, Najmi Cadle. Now
he's saying that Andrew Collins can come to Turkey and
can visit quebecit Zepan, other Stone Hills. But uh, I

(57:28):
don't want to meet with him or I don't like
him personally, So probably my book will be the one
and only book which contains Cale and Andrew Collins name.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
At the same time.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
That's funny. Tell us about neck meik Carl, tell us
how you interviewed him for your book, but also what
is his position? What is he responsible for?

Speaker 4 (57:55):
Ah, he's the one.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
He's in charge of all the Stone Hills and he
is the representative of this project globally, So if he
doesn't allow something about Touche Tepellar, it means that you
can't do it.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
And to be homst with you.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
When I finished this book, he was the first one
who read this book and I got him approval because
you know, my book is the only book about Quebecitepe
which contains that kind of information and which is on
the museum shops. So it means that to be on

(58:43):
the museum shops you need to have permission from the
Ministry of Culture and Triism.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Oh congratulations, thank you.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
So it's so it's so special for me. And to
be honest, witheak you. Now the English version of the
book has just published and it will be on the
shelf of the museum shops also very soon. But also
it gives me some kind of responsibility because what I

(59:14):
want to do about this book and my next projects
is to be the bridge between the academician part and
the alternative part, because I believe that if they can
find the common place where they can share their own totes, ideas,
knowledge and information, then maybe they can have other options.

(59:41):
And they can have other How can I say they
can reach the reality faster and easier.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Yeah, fantastic for you to be able to have your
book in the various shops around these ruins. I liked
it because they made the book smaller. It's kind of
like a field guide they call that in America, where
you can put it in your backpack, carry around and
take it out quickly. It fits in almost in the

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palm of your hand, which is fantastic. So was that
your idea or your publisher's idea to make it that size?

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Actually, my publisher had decided to do it like that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Fantastic. In your writing, you talk about go Beckley Teppe
being near the City of the Profits. What is City
of the Profits. We're going to take a short commercial
break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we
will return shortly with my guest today, Delma Tomaru, coming

(01:00:46):
to us from Istanbul, Turkey, will be right back. I

(01:01:36):
wanted to mention that Delmo will have a complete gallery
of photographs that were taking roughly twenty four hours ago.
She was right there next to these sites, these archaeological
parks as you want to call them, and we're getting
the latest excavations. Some of this very strange sculpture and
columns are available on these galleries. You can go to

(01:01:58):
Facebook look for the Ancients, or you can go to
Instagram will be there as well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
You know. Gebec Letepe is in the city called sham Luurfa.
We say it Urfa and sham Lufa is famous in
Turkey with the stories of prophets because many prophets were there.
For example, Moses, he came to Haran. Yeah, you know,

(01:02:30):
when he ran away from Egypt. At first he came
to Haran and at that place he met with his
wife documented.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Then this is a historical document that he actually came there. Wow,
okay special Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
And also you know there's I totally forgot I'm sorry,
there's a special name for this clothing. But there's a
small clothe which you can see the face of Jesus.
I totally forget it name. However, the story is something

(01:03:07):
like that the first believers of Jesus was in Urfa,
actually the Assyrians, and at that time the Assyrian's king
named Aubgar, he had some kind of skin disease and
he sends a messenger to Jesus to ask for a healing,

(01:03:31):
and he wrote a letter and he said, listen, if
you can heal my disease, then me and all the
people will be your followers. So Jesus told this messenger
that he couldn't come to that area, but he gave
this clothing to the messenger and said that please give

(01:03:56):
this to your king and he will be healed. So
at that time, when the king washed his.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
Face and.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Use this clothing, all the disease just healed. Wow. And
at that time the Assyrians started to believe in Jesus.
So we have so many different stories about different prophets
in this area. And for example, Abraham you know you

(01:04:29):
know him right, yeah, So you know we have a
lake we call it Bollaclue Lake, but it is Abraham's lake.
So Abraham was also here. And at that time they
were pagans in Urfa area and they believe in astronomy,

(01:04:50):
so they believe in planets and they have a special
area where there are seven different hills and each hills
were related to one planet. For a example, on Monday,
they were going to the moon hill and they were
making some rituals. And we are using the same day
names for the days to till and at that time

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they believe that Abraham was one of these pagans, and
later that that he changed his mind. So anyhow, from
twelve thousands years ago till now, this place is famous
for esoterism as spiritualism. So I think it's because of

(01:05:35):
the energy of the area. Maybe there are some very
powerful lay lines on this area, so that all the
profits visited this place, or maybe they felt that there
are some storm hills on the area.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
When we first met a couple of years ago, it
was a pleasure to not only meet you but also
know that you are a spiritual person but also sensitively energy.
Do you detect toleric energy fields that are under these
teppees like a Quebec teppee? I was too busy trying

(01:06:18):
to walk around the structure to sit for a minute.
I should have closed my eyes and sat for a minute.
But do you sense energy at any of these places?

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Do you remember the mulberry tree on top of the
hill of quebecy Tepe.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Yeah, we walked by it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Yeah, it's this area is very special and before they
may they started excavation. This place was famous for the
villagers and they were coming there and asking for having
a child or asking for healing, and most of them

(01:06:58):
said that they were here or they had a baby
at that time. Yeah, when i'm when I'm with my
Turkish groups, we are always making some kind of meditations there,
and after the tours, they are just calling me and

(01:07:18):
saying that, you know what happens, dumbla, my brish became
true or I got healed and that kind of stuff.
So I believe that, yes, this place has some kind
of powerful energy. But to be honest with you, sumitage,
that's the place where these heels related to planets are.

(01:07:41):
It's something much more powerful than gebec Tepe area m
And it's not very famous for foreigners.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Oh so not very many people. Only villagers know about.
It's what you say, Yeah, what are the what are
the myths and legends associated with Kobekiv? I never asked
you that there must have been stories from the villages
about sacred areas of these tepees before they were before

(01:08:15):
Klaus dug them out. There must have been something unique
about them.

Speaker 4 (01:08:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
First of all, as I told you before, this tree
was important and it is still important because its ill.
You can find that some villagers are also coming visiting
this tree why because, for example, the excellent owner of
quebecitepe Mahmut Yielders, he is like seventy years old right now,

(01:08:47):
and his grandfather also was telling that people were coming
here for asking for healing or that kind of vicious
and every people were saying that they got what they wanted.
And they also sometimes saying that some of them fell

(01:09:10):
asleep under this tree and they had some kind of
how can I say, deeper dreams, they met with some
how can I say spiritual guides or sometimes yeah, they
got some answers about their problems. And to be honest

(01:09:32):
with you, I hope next time we can do it.
When you made a deeper meditation under this tree, you
can also have some stronger connections with your higher self
or spirit guide. Because I tried it and I got

(01:09:53):
some answers.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Fantastic? Is that in the book? Because I didn't get
to that part. Did you add that to the book?

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
Well, if how can I write about it? Carol read
that book?

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Come on, I don't know. I mean, you have a publisher,
when you don't when you're having that, when you're at
the mercy of a publisher, sometimes they'll take those kind
of things out because but because you wrote it, so
it's in there somewhere. What chapter? What chapter is it?

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
Not chapter. I just ansored myself.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
I just didn't write anything very spiritual about it. But
to be honest with you, when I'm graduating from this
Master degree of Tour Guides, I wrote something about the
spiritual tours tour concept and I ask questions to my

(01:10:48):
own guests for gebec Tepe. I talked to fifty different
guests about their journey to gebec Tepe and what they
experience of this visit, and ninety percent of them told
me that they had some kind of spiritual experience and

(01:11:09):
they got some kind of spiritual guidance about their problems.
And about one to three months later of these trips
they got some healings or solutions.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Wow, amazing. As we conclude coming to the end of
this interview, Yeah, deml, why should we care about Quebec
lee Teppy? Why why should people be interested in that place?

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
To be honest with you, thank you so much for
this question. Because people are just very curious about all
the scandals about Quebec Tepe or they are just asking
were they on then archives? Or who were these people? Blah,
blah blah. But they are just not focusing on the reality.

(01:12:02):
The reality is that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
We are talking.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
About twelve thousand years ago and at that time, these
people in forty different clans we are talking about because
they were living in different hills and these people didn't
have any war between them.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
They were all in.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Peace for at least one thousand, five hundred years. And
also they were very good at architecture, They were very
good at engineering and that kind of stuff. Can you
imagine they were aware how to create these pillars and

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we are talking about forty tons and six meters and
they just erected.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
All of them.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
So I think Goebeklitepez message is to believe in yourself
and to be aware of your capacity, because now we
are just using chet, GPT or different AI to create something.
But there are they real or are they authentic? Or

(01:13:19):
are we looking at something? Are we looking for something authentic?
Do we really care about ourselves or our capacity today?

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
I don't think so. And we are.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Still experiencing some very bad things. I mean, what happened
in different areas of the world. There are still war
and we are talking about twelve thousand years ago and
we are talking about peace. So the main thing should
be the essence of humanity when we are talking about

(01:13:52):
Quebec Tepet. But most of the people, especially some influencers,
I know, they are just trying to said something like that,
boom boom boom, shocking news. I found this about Quebec Leepe.
But actually they are just lying and they are just
not making any research about it. They are just thinking that, oh, okay,

(01:14:16):
if I put this thing, it means that I can
get ten thousand more followers. Oh not about having more followers, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
About yeah, being a human being. Yeah, they're they're creating
what they call clickbait, which is like stories that don't
go anywhere, and it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
Is I mean, as a Turkish to be honest with you,
when I see that kind of posts on Instagram especially,
it feels me a little bit sad because unfortunately, when
I'm talking about it with archaeologists, I'm saying that, listen,
you need to open an insta a gram account. You

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should reply all these things.

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
They are not real and they are.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
They are the only ones so are talking about guebec
Cia and they are just saying that all we don't
have enough time. We are just studying and that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
Yeah, So you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
Know I feel so desperate about it. Maybe you can.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
You're acknowledging the pureeness of Go Beckley Teppy and care
Hand Teppy, and you're disappointed that people have to make
stuff up to get attention, is what you're saying. So yeah,
the books called Go Beckley Teppy Mysteries of the Neolithic Era,
I guess it has been denload tom Row, give us

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contact information. How can people learn about your tours? And
tell us what people can find more about you?

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Okay, I'm on Instagram so they can search for dumblasted
in Tomru or I have another account called Esoteric Tours
and my website as autic toours dot com. You'll be
online very soon, okay, And that's all I think.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Yeah, and the book's now going to be available in English.
What do we say next week? Will?

Speaker 4 (01:16:13):
Yes? Next week?

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Okay, so you can go to Amazon and get it.
Highly recommend that. And also U Demlo sent me some
great photographs of go Beckley Teppy and Karrahan Teppy that
I will post on the Facebook page and I will
also post those images on Instagram. So fantastic. Thank you
for joining me. It's been very very informative, and I

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really I should have had you on sooner because your
perspective is much different than people who don't live in Turkey.
And even when we had Robert shakh On, Robert Say
and American and it's tough to get archaeologists from Turkey
on the program. They just don't have time. They think it,

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you know, it's like this, Well it is social media,
and although we try to be professional here, they just
don't have the time for it. So it's been a
real pleasure having you on the program.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
Thank you, Thank you so much for inviting me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
I mentioned earlier that we will have a gallery of
the latest photographs the latest excavation clearing of Gobeci Teppe
and Carahan Teppee right up to the last twenty four hours.
These are very remarkable in their clarity, these images, but
also what they're showing is that there's a lot of

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carving work, a lot of sculptural work that is being
done that has been showing been shown now that hasn't
been available before. And these are some new images that
are They're very clear, and they're up close, and you
get a sense of what it was like to stand
in this You can only call it a pit, underground

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or subsurface temple, and you know, be a part of
that twelve thousand years ago. It's very very it's remarkable
and it's fascinating. So great to have Damlo on the program.
And yeah, always fun to speak with her. And I
think we're going to do another tour in twenty twenty seven,

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Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
Or right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
That's it for this program. I want to think. My
guest today Dan Lo Tamru, coming to us from Istanbul.
As always the team of geltour, Mark Foster and Feya
from Pakistan. You guys rock all right, Take care every
well and we will talk to you next time. The

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