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June 18, 2026 64 mins

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https://www.eesystem.com/ Obba Babatunde joins Michael Scaler to discuss his legendary career in Broadway, film, and voice acting. Get rare insights into his craft and his work on Star Wars. Michael Scaler sits down with Obba Babatunde, a seasoned performer known for his extensive work across Broadway stages and major film productions. This conversation provides a detailed look at the discipline required to maintain a successful acting career over decades. Whether you are an aspiring performer or a film enthusiast, you will appreciate his perspective on the industry. Throughout the discussion, Babatunde shares specific memories from his time on Broadway and his experiences within the Star Wars universe. He offers practical advice for actors navigating different media, from voiceovers to live theater. By listening to his journey, you gain a better understanding of how a dedicated artist approaches each role with intention and energy. Subscribe for weekly interviews with legendary performers, and comment below with your favorite Obba Babatunde role.

Chapters

  • (00:00) - Obba Babatunde: Legend, Actor, EE System Owner
  • (02:30) - Parasite story sparks center's opening
  • (05:30) - Holistic approach: Western vs. Eastern medicine
  • (08:17) - Healing blindness, business, and technology
  • (11:18) - Technology's miracles and a king's name
  • (14:00) - Son's hit song and online presence
  • (16:15) - Malachi's musical journey: piano to drums
  • (19:09) - Broadway's Dreamgirls to Silence of the Lambs
  • (22:04) - Manchurian Candidate, Philadelphia, That Thing You Do
  • (24:54) - Actor's advice: develop your own talents
  • (29:15) - Never quit; talent is a threat
  • (31:25) - Cursive writing aids memory and retention
  • (34:25) - Brain association, habit formation, acting
  • (37:31) - Ad-libbing differences: film, TV, theater
  • (40:00) - Ruby's Heart film and SWAT finale
  • (42:47) - Actor's career, fan interactions, politeness
  • (45:00) - Life experiences and emotional control
  • (48:02) - Live in the moment, plan for future
  • (50:57) - Accessing brain for imagination, memory
  • (54:00) - Eye movements, brain access, magician's tricks
  • (57:30) - TV programming, media, habit formation
  • (01:00:06) - Anna's Stage 4 Cancer Miracle Story
  • (01:03:04) - Miracle of the body and regenerative center

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  • Michael Scalar - Host
  • Obba Babatundé - Guest

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Michael Scalar (00:00):
You're tuned into Everything's Energy. I'm
Michael Scalar, your host, and Iam sitting here with an absolute
legend. I didn't realize thatuntil I googled him this
morning. He's a family friend.We've known him for a little
while.
Oba Babatunde. And I I'm gonnasay that one more time because
it's my favorite name to say outloud. Oba Babatunde, the legend,
actor, singer, dancer, Broadwayfilm, voiceovers for Star Wars

(00:25):
we were just talking about,which he's he's Lando Calrissian
of the Disney voiceover or StarWars voice overs, which is which
is fascinating because I'm a bigStar Wars fan. Oba has an
interesting story because we wemet at the grand opening of a
system here in Las Vegas, a 48unit with Dan Holtz. And he gave
a speech at it and it was veryinspiring.

(00:46):
And then we become friends overa period of time. And I ran into
him recently and he didn't tellanyone in the family that he had
purchased an EE system. He wentbehind us, just went through the
office, which is unusual forpeople that have our phone
number. So props for that. Andso he has opened a system in was
it Overton?
Overton. Overton, which is justNorth of Vegas, what, like a

(01:08):
hour? Yeah, about an hour andfifteen About

Obba Babatundé (01:09):
an hour.

Michael Scalar (01:10):
Yeah. So he has some I asked him what he wants
to talk about. And was like, Ijust wanna talk about this
technology. It's amazing. Sonormally we don't do fully EE
system focused interviews, butwe're we're we're gonna move
away from the Hollywood Yeah.
And into the ES. And I wasjoking. You're trying to trying
to escape the the darknessHollywood and move into the
light of the EE system, which Ilove. So tell tell me about your

(01:30):
journey here to, you know,opening center behind our back.

Obba Babatundé (01:34):
Thank you for Well, listen. You know what? The
the joy is, Michael, to know youand your mom, you know, and your
sister. Likewise. You know?
And, you know, I and I've got aa half a century career

Michael Scalar (01:48):
Mhmm.

Obba Babatundé (01:48):
In in entertainment. And I and and
people say, you know, and I theysaid, well, you know what? You
don't lead with that. And Isaid, no. I don't.
Because while I'm proud of thework that I've done, you know,
and it's easy enough, you typeinto any any any any electronic
device, o b b a, and oba willpop up. Yep. You know? And then
you can go,

Michael Scalar (02:07):
oh, wait a minute. I remember that. Oh, I
did this. Oh, oh, you oh, youdid that? Oh, that was this.

Obba Babatundé (02:12):
That was you. Oh, yes. It's a half a century.
Mhmm. But I've been into healthfor a long time.

Michael Scalar (02:17):
That's why you look so young. Yeah. Being, in
in Hollywood for that long, youlook young.

Obba Babatundé (02:22):
Yes. Yes. Well, listen. I can tell folks thank
you very much. You know, my lastbirthday.
I've been on the planet forseventy five years.

Michael Scalar (02:29):
Don't look a day over Whatever. 50.

Obba Babatundé (02:32):
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. But you know
what? So when I got you know, Ihave my own personal story with
with with with the EE system.
But when I got a chance to meetyou guys, and there was a
connection. It was a realconnection. And, you know, I'm
I'm I'm, like, checking you out,and you're, like, doing your DJ

(02:53):
thing. You know what I mean?

Michael Scalar (02:54):
The one of the last DJ sets I played, I was the
I was the DJ for Dan's centeropening. We sent a DJ. I'm like,
alright. I'll DJ.

Obba Babatundé (03:00):
Yeah. Yeah. So you and I were hanging out and
just talking like that, andthen, you know, it just
continued to evolve. Now, youknow, I can tell you stories
about my experience. Just thecenter has now been open four
weeks.
We opened this decided that wewere gonna open this center

(03:21):
because we had our own personalexperience.

Michael Scalar (03:24):
I wanna give you the personal experience.

Obba Babatundé (03:25):
Sherry, who is now right there as we speak
sitting there making sure thateverybody's taken care of that
comes in through the door, hadgone to Peru, and she got bit by
a parasite. Oh. And it was alittle tiny hole about a month
after she had gotten back fromPeru. And then all of a sudden,

(03:47):
this thing started to grow. Itgrew to about that big.
Is that a botfly? I don't not abotfly. I don't know what they
call it. But the deal is is thatit was in Peru and it bit her,
and then it created an openwound, which for a year now
Sherry's been in the medicalindustry for thirty five years

(04:08):
Right. As an emergency traumanurse and then COO of a big
hospital, two hospitals in inVegas.
Mhmm. Well, this thing, nomatter all the connections she
had, nothing would heal it.

Michael Scalar (04:20):
Wow.

Obba Babatundé (04:20):
And it was growing. I said, well, maybe you
need to go back and go to thejungle. Maybe they got some
jungle medicine

Michael Scalar (04:26):
or something.

Obba Babatundé (04:26):
You know what I mean?

Michael Scalar (04:27):
Makes sense. You know?

Obba Babatundé (04:28):
So she did And put that medicine on there, and
the parasite jumped and createda new satellite and then a new
satellite just did, well, fourof them. And the danger of this
deal is that it tries to getinto the bloodstream, then get
into the organ, and then it'scurtains.

Michael Scalar (04:45):
Oh, boy.

Obba Babatundé (04:46):
And nothing would heal it. So here we get
invited to Dan's center for thefor the grand opening. And while
we're in there, she says, youknow, I started feeling a
tingling in my leg. I said, youknow what? Let's let's let's
let's maybe hey.
Nothing else is working. Let'sgo back. We go back. We went
twice a week. Right?

(05:08):
And, did two hours. In threemonths, completely healed.

Michael Scalar (05:16):
So it it got rid of the parasite?

Obba Babatundé (05:19):
The parasite Wow. And the wounds?

Michael Scalar (05:23):
I've heard a lot of miracle stories. I've I don't
think I've ever heard ofantiparasitic effects, but I
guess the body has its ownability and it amped it up and
Oh, always, man. Yeah. Well,

Obba Babatundé (05:33):
so it's been her dream to open a center. Mhmm. So
so she was getting fed up withthe way things were. She's
wanting to be a in the healingindustry, and it wasn't finding
that app happening in theindustry she was in. So she
says, hey.
I wanna open a center.

Michael Scalar (05:48):
So from Western medicine, this isn't good enough
to, our alternative woo woocommunity of complementary
alternative medicine. Yeah.

Obba Babatundé (05:55):
Well, the deal is is that, I tell people that
Western medicine, if you breakyour leg and you break an arm or
something like that, you got apacemaker, great. Go go go go
check it out. But the deal is isthat western medicine and and
and eastern medicine, what I'velearned is and and dealt with is
that western medicine deals withthe body in parts. The bod body

(06:18):
works as a whole.

Michael Scalar (06:19):
That's very true.

Obba Babatundé (06:20):
Alright. So if you go to a cardiologist, tell
you everything about your heart,but may not be telling you about
your feet. Go to a podiatrist,tell you everything about your
feet, but maybe not about yourheart.

Michael Scalar (06:28):
So true.

Obba Babatundé (06:28):
But if you're gonna have a part, a deal with
one, you're gonna have to dealwith the other. Right? And so
the body, because it's alwaystrying to heal itself. I tell
people the example I give them.Say, if you cut your finger, you
put a Band Aid on it so theblood doesn't get everywhere.
Right. Okay? But the Band Aiddoesn't heal the finger. If the
body's capable, it will healitself. And that's what we
learned that this is trying todo.
So and dealing with what'samazing about the EE system

(06:53):
system is that it deals with thebody as a whole, and the body
already knows what its most liketroubled system and part is. I'm
gonna give you a couple examplesnow. There was a woman that she
was in this morning and she hadhad a wound. She's 84. When she

(07:14):
walks, she couldn't walk in thedoor, literally.
She was like, we had to help herin the door. Now she almost runs
in the door. Nice. Okay. And shehad a wound that was an open
wound on her stomach

Michael Scalar (07:25):
about that large. Like four inches

Obba Babatundé (07:28):
Okay, at least. Diameter,

Michael Scalar (07:30):
three and

Obba Babatundé (07:31):
a half weeks it has shrunk to about one was
open, two both were open and oneis completely closed, the other
every week shrinks an inch andinch and inch and and inch.
Amazing, right? Yeah. Okay.Another guy came and he had what
I identify as a healthy sense ofskepticism.

(07:53):
And he came in with his wife andshe had shared she had some
challenges. She came out afterone hour and she says to her
husband, You know, he was inthere with her, he says, two
days ago, and he knew this to betrue, two days ago I was in such

(08:14):
excruciating pain I could barelymove. I have no pain. And he
looked at it and he says,really? Well, it gets one step
better.
Fifteen years ago, he had fallenoff a scaffolding or something
and detached his retina in hisright eye. He had a line that
went down the center of his eye,and to the right of that line,
he had no vision.

Michael Scalar (08:34):
Wow.

Obba Babatundé (08:35):
Okay? So on the way home, they're driving, and
he goes, you know, I'm wait,something is something's not
right. She says what? He said Ican see you. She said what?
He said I can see you. InOverton they have a rant and

(08:55):
rave this thing that they dowhere they you can either rant
about something or you can raveabout something in He gave us an
amazing review. People, we'renow open seven days, right? And
we had to add an hour to theday. It's just been story after

(09:16):
story, after story of healing,after healing, after healing,
after healing.
And I say, listen, I'm nottaking self praise is no praise.
I'm not taking any bow. I knowthat this thing works because
I've seen it work. I'veexperienced it myself. I know
for a fact this is

Michael Scalar (09:35):
You've sight to the blind.

Obba Babatundé (09:37):
I'm telling you.

Michael Scalar (09:38):
Where's Jesus?

Obba Babatundé (09:39):
Exactly! And you know what, the deal is that
people are like, Come on man,what is it? What is it? I tell
them, I give them an example, Isaid, Look, if you have a cell
phone, and I get into thescience a little bit, body. Know
what I mean?
Recharge body. Exactly. Youknow, you start to explain it to
them and they kinda get it, butI said listen, go on in there

(10:02):
and we're gonna let you justrelax. Put you in a theta state
in about seven minutes and let'ssee how you feel. And it never
fails.
Also do like we did when we wereat the place in Burbank, an
Oxfrieder, right? Guy came in,he was in bad shape, man. His
oxygen level was like, he was atlike 62.

Michael Scalar (10:26):
In his sixties. That's way low.

Obba Babatundé (10:28):
And his standing heart rate was like a 100. You
know, I'm like dude. Again, heand his wife, you know, at the
end of an hour and a halfstanding heart rate 60. His
oxygen intake 99.

Michael Scalar (10:47):
Oh wow. Flipped it. Boom.

Obba Babatundé (10:51):
Spun it around, man. And and, you know, so they
see this. The the the reason forthat is, like I said, I can't
make that machine do nothing.That's on your finger. Your body
will never lie to you.
I can tell you all kinds ofthings. Yeah. But your body will
never lie to you. And so whathappened is that we're seeing
and they are seeing the resultsof this technology. It works,

(11:12):
man.
And I said, people are scared.They go

Michael Scalar (11:14):
like, what? Got needles in there? I ain't going
in there. Said, no, man.

Obba Babatundé (11:16):
Don't touch you.

Michael Scalar (11:17):
Don't touch

Obba Babatundé (11:18):
We don't

Michael Scalar (11:18):
touch you. Our our technology became very
famous, not because we weregreat at marketing, but because
people were having crazystories. And I I can sit here
and I can tell you all day thatthis technology is gonna do x y
and z. No one would believe meif I told them the stuff we've
seen. And I I forget half ofthis.
Just, you know, decades of usseeing it. We're like, yeah,
that's normal. You know? It'sliterally, yeah, that's normal.

(11:38):
Yes.
It's just kinda jaded to themiracles, but it's it's cool
when people are are new to itand they're they're explaining
what they're seeing like you.Yes. Because you're just sitting
there like, well, I know I havemy own experience, and then
people just kept coming in, andthings just kept happening. Oh,
no. Miracle after miracle.
That's why we are here.

Obba Babatundé (11:56):
Exactly. Exactly. And, you know, so, you
know, I'm I'm I'm thrilled thatI'm a part of it now. I feel
like I'm part of your family.Mhmm.
And I am a part of the the EESystems, you know, family. And
I'm honored and thrilled to be apart of that because as your
mother was saying, she said shewanted to heal the world one
person at a time. And to be apart of that, if you could give

(12:16):
somebody one hour more with theperson that they love and then
the person that loves you orthem, you know, what an
obviously beautiful thing to beable to provide for someone. You
know what I mean? And, so I'mjust just I'm just crazy, man.
I I thank you for letting mecome on the show today and talk

(12:37):
about it. You know what I AndI'm excited, man. You know? You
know, we could talk about mycareer because, like I said,
it's a a half a century career,and probably majority of the
people that that are tuning in,if you you know, like I said,
you type in or you type in.Babatunde.
You And know what's so funny?Because you said, I love saying
that name. Every set that I'vebeen on, you know, it becomes

(12:59):
the mantra of the set.

Michael Scalar (13:00):
A musical name. It just rolls off.

Obba Babatundé (13:02):
Yeah. People are just like Oba, Babatunde. Oba,
Babatunde. And it's interestingbecause Oba, actually Nigerian
in origin, means king.

Michael Scalar (13:13):
I actually saw that online as well.

Obba Babatundé (13:15):
It's it's called the king. Right? Baba Tunde,
loosely translated in Yorubameans the spirit of the
grandfather has returned in thechild. And what's odd, and
there's two reactions to this,I'm going see what yours is,
people go, well that'sinteresting, so tell me more.
Well, for the last fivegenerations, my oldest son

(13:37):
making the fifth, all thefirstborn men in my family have
been we've all been born thesame day, same month.

Michael Scalar (13:43):
Wait. No. Say that again.

Obba Babatundé (13:45):
Yeah. So for the last five generations, my oldest
son making the fifth, we've allbeen. That's him, me, my dad,
his dad, and his dad, all sameday, same month. And so people

Michael Scalar (13:57):
go, wow.

Obba Babatundé (13:58):
Oh. What are the odds?

Michael Scalar (14:00):
What someone someone on in comments dropped
the odds of that. Drop drop itin a chat GPT. I'm having one
handy. The odds of that arestaggering. But here's the

Obba Babatundé (14:09):
deal, though. Because we don't spend much time
learning about past ourgrandparents, there's and I tell
people this, there's only threesixty five days in a year that
anybody can be born. Yeah. Okay?So if you think about it, the
number of people that you wouldmeet and have met or that might

(14:30):
be in your family, cousin,nephew, relative one of those
days you'll start seeing howclosely not necessarily five
generations I didn't realize it.
I thought my dad and I beingborn the same day was just a
coincidence. And then my son waslike, Wow. And then my
grandmother said, Well you dorealize that your father was

(14:51):
born on his birthday and hisfather. And I was like, Wow
grandma, that's deep. That iswild.

Michael Scalar (14:56):
What is your birthday?

Obba Babatundé (14:59):
December 4. December 4. But if you look
online, you'll like this becauseI know your sense of humor. It
says that I was born on thefirst. Okay?
It's not right. Okay? It alsohas the wrong year. But so they
go hide how old he is. No.

(15:20):
They say

Michael Scalar (15:20):
So someone someone slipped on the keyboard
when they're putting info in on

Obba Babatundé (15:23):
that sec. Well, I don't know who did it, but
here's the deal. People say,well, why don't you change? And
I say, because it's my own winkto say, don't believe everything
you read online.

Michael Scalar (15:33):
You're a nice Easter egg there. That's
beautiful. Yeah. Your your sonis a musician. Right?

Obba Babatundé (15:40):
Well, the the the youngest one.

Michael Scalar (15:41):
Uh-huh.

Obba Babatundé (15:42):
Malachi. He had a hit

Michael Scalar (15:43):
hit song, didn't he?

Obba Babatundé (15:44):
He had in '9 in 2024, he had the number one song
in the world.

Michael Scalar (15:47):
That was a it

Obba Babatundé (15:47):
a move.

Michael Scalar (15:48):
It was a house track,

Obba Babatundé (15:49):
right?

Michael Scalar (15:49):
Yes. Yeah.

Obba Babatundé (15:50):
I was like,

Michael Scalar (15:51):
I know that song.

Obba Babatundé (15:51):
You know that song.

Michael Scalar (15:52):
Right? I might've played that song.

Obba Babatundé (15:53):
You did. You did. I said, by the way, that
happens to be my son.

Michael Scalar (15:56):
Yeah. That's beautiful.

Obba Babatundé (15:57):
Yeah. He's still doing his thing, man.

Michael Scalar (15:59):
Well, give a shout out. What's his name?

Obba Babatundé (16:01):
Malachi. And how do you spell that? Where do they
find him online? And if you goto his Instagram, it's
MalachiisLife. A L A C H I I S LI F E.
That's his IG. But because hisname is spelled M A L A C H I,
somebody else had that name. Soif you go to Spotify and all the

(16:23):
platforms Mhmm. M a l a c h I II. We added two i's.

Michael Scalar (16:28):
Alright. Everyone should go check out
that song. Was one of myfavorites during that time.
Everyone was playing you'd hearit in nightclubs all over the
world. Was All over the world.
Banger. Yeah, man.

Obba Babatundé (16:37):
It was it was slamming. He's got some other
stuff, man. This guy's beendoing it his whole life. Bought
him when he was a little dude.One of those player guitars.
And he would play for the familyand do his dance and all of that
stuff. And I identified. I said,so put him in piano at four.

(17:00):
Right?

Michael Scalar (17:00):
Alright.

Obba Babatundé (17:01):
And he started playing piano. At seven, he came
to me and says, you know what? Idon't really want to play the
piano anymore. I guess therudiments would get into him.
Right?
And I said, well, what do youwanna do? He says, I wanna play
the drums. So I was a musicianalso. I started out in the
business at 14. My firstprofessional job was a trumpet
player.
But I also was a percussionist.So I bought him a pair of

(17:22):
drumsticks and a drum pad, and Iplayed a paradiddle.

Michael Scalar (17:25):
And he never slept the same again. I

Obba Babatundé (17:30):
said to him, I said, when you can play this,
come and talk to me. A monthlater, he says, dad. He started
playing paradiddle. I said,okay. So I bought him his first
drum set.
I put him with a great, great,great musician named Alfonso
Musan. It's another name you canlook up. A master drummer. I go

(17:50):
to New York. I'm performing onBroadway in a musical called
Chicago.

Michael Scalar (17:55):
I don't know if anyone's ever heard of that one
before.

Obba Babatundé (17:59):
And so, I get a call from, Alfonse, and he goes,
man, your kid is scaring me. Hesaid he's been with me for two
months, and he's playing what Iteach my two year students. And
he's reading it as well asplaying it. So I knew that that
was his calling, journey, andwe've continued to support that.

(18:22):
And he writes.
He produces. You know? Heactually plays musical
instruments. You know? Nice.
As well as all of the technologythat it is. But, man, he's he's
a monster man and sings hisbrains out, dances, you know,
and maybe he got a little bit ofeffing pops. You know?

Michael Scalar (18:39):
You know? But Fall fall far there.

Obba Babatundé (18:42):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. So, yeah. No, I'm I'm I'mthrilled for his success and,
you know, his mindset, he stillgot his head on straight too.
That's a great thing.

Michael Scalar (18:53):
That's good. It's hard to do as a musician.
I've been in that industry and Ikind of escaped it and I was
happy to leave it because it'spretty wild and seen a lot of my
friends fall down darker paths.Some elevate, but the music
industry isn't exactly full oflove and light, although it kind
of looks like it, the backside,not so much Hollywood somewhere.
You know, a lot of peopleselling their their soul for

(19:15):
fortune and fame and thengetting into problems with the
extracurriculars.

Obba Babatundé (19:19):
Brother. No. No. No. I mean, you're absolutely
correct.
You know, I mean, fifty years indoing it professionally and I've
been in it, but not of it, youknow, and, I don't know whether
that was at the onset of mycareer. I would ask whether it
was confidence or arrogance, butI somehow believed in myself
and, I didn't want to do thethings that, that was tempting,

(19:42):
if you will. Yeah. You know whatI mean?

Michael Scalar (19:44):
Know exactly. We'll leave that vague for
everyone so they sit There'sthere and scratch their plenty
of options.

Obba Babatundé (19:52):
But, yeah, no, it's, it's been great, you know,
cut my teeth on the boards as wecall it. That's in Broadway, you
know? So, some of those that arepaying attention may have had an
opportunity to know about alittle show called dream girls.
And,

Michael Scalar (20:09):
even I've heard of that one too. You know?

Obba Babatundé (20:11):
So I was one of the creators of that production
along with a stellar cast ofthe, you know, Jennifer Holliday
and Shirley Ralph, LorettaDevine, Claire Mondherix, and
Ben Harney, and myself were theoriginals, the original six
leads in that production. And wedid it. We created it in a
workshop. And What what was,

Michael Scalar (20:32):
did you prefer Broadway or Hollywood more?

Obba Babatundé (20:35):
Great question. And you know what? I I I used to
initially when I was only doingtheater. I said theater, man,
because it's live. You know, youget the response right away.
Then I started doing television,and I realized that you can
reach a broader audience intelevision. The that theater
lives and dies in the hearts ofthose who got an opportunity to

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experience it.

Michael Scalar (20:58):
Makes sense. Yeah.

Obba Babatundé (20:58):
And that's great. To be able to reach a
larger audience, television iswonderful in that if you're
still doing quality work. Mhmm.Film. Then I start doing more
film.
Film is forever. Yeah. You cango back and you can watch stuff.
You know? My Korean filmpredates, you know, movies like

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the original Silence of theLambs.
You know?

Michael Scalar (21:21):
That was on your credits. What did you do in
Silence of the Lambs?

Obba Babatundé (21:24):
I I am, the news anchor who brings you all the
information about the senator'scapture. Wow. And it's very
interesting. If you go back andlook at that and then look at
some current events, very, veryinteresting. But Jonathan Demi
yeah.
Yeah. Very interesting, bro.Jonathan Demi, who was the
director, I miss him so much,but we had a great relationship.

(21:49):
I was doing Dream Girls. Hecalled me in and he says
somebody says, hey, JonathanDemi wants to meet with you.
I went in his office and, hegoes, Hey man, listen, I got
this little part in this movie.The name of the character is The
Face of Justice. Dean Stockwellis starring in it. Jennifer
Jason. It was a whole bunch ofamazing actors.
I'm like, Hey, I'm in. And thatbegan my relationship with him.

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And, we went from that to SOLOCEOF THE LAMBS and then
Philadelphia and then what wasit? Mentoring Candidate.

Michael Scalar (22:27):
You were Mentoring Candidate? Yes. That
was a great movie. It kind ofexplains politics today to

Obba Babatundé (22:32):
me in such a way.

Michael Scalar (22:33):
And people think that's just like some fantasy
land Hollywood stuff but thatthat movie, I was like, that's
exactly how politics are.Exactly. They're plugging these
little these puppets in here.

Obba Babatundé (22:43):
Hey, man. It it it was that was the thing I
loved about his his his hismovie. Well, also as a director,
he would come to work every dayand he goes, hey. Wanna make a
movie today?

Michael Scalar (22:55):
That's awesome.

Obba Babatundé (22:55):
And so that was how the approach was. And I he
hired two kinds of people.People that he believed were
great actors and those that hadcelebrity in their own right.
And he would put them in asituation where, like case
point, an example, in TheManchurian Candidates, since
we're talking about that,there's a scene at the
beginning, the movie where MerylStreep comes in, and, there was

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a guy who's a a great he's ahe's a great author. Right?
But he's not an actor. And he'ssitting there and Jonathan just
put him in the chair and he, andhe told, Merrill, he says, now
when you come in, just go overthere and sit down and start
talking to him. Right? So hecomes, she comes in and he's
just sitting there and then shesays, so tell me, I love your

(23:40):
work as an author. And she'stalking to him and he's like,
wow, Merle Street knows about mywriting and she's talking to me
and da da da.
So the first line is one of thecharacters, and he goes, Ellie,
and she ignores us. And now thatchanged the beat of how we're
doing because now he goes,Ellie. Ellie. And she says to

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him, excuse me, my wife. Shesays, yes.
It's not gonna work. She said,I'll be right back. Of course,
it's going to work. And that'show that scene began, but it
wasn't directed to begin thatway. It just he would afford you
to let things unfold.
You know what I mean? And andand just I've had so many, you
know, in the in the moviePhiladelphia, you know, getting

(24:29):
to work with guys like JasonRobarts and and and and, you
know, of course, Tom Hanks,which then led to me being able
to do Tom's first directorialdebut, That Thing You Do.

Michael Scalar (24:40):
That Thing You Do.

Obba Babatundé (24:40):
You know? I mean, you know, talk about
music, the wonders. You know? Soeach one has led to the growth
of something else. And that'sthat's been the magic of it all.

Michael Scalar (24:54):
What's what's the toughest thing in being an
actor?

Obba Babatundé (24:57):
Well, here's the thing is that you touched on it
earlier and that people go intoit not necessarily understanding
what it really is or what it canbecome. You see, they don't
promise you happiness. They cansay we can promise you success.
Happiness is on your own. Peopleoften say to me, Oba, if you

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were giving advice to, somebodywanting to go into the industry
of entertainment, what would youadvise?
And I say, that they cannot takefrom you what they did not give
to you. And if you identifythat, that your gifts and
talents and abilities, thosewere given to you. To the degree
that you work to develop them isthe degree that they will

(25:41):
develop. Trust in that asopposed to thinking that it's
the response of someone else toprovide something for you. You
know?
I'll give you another greatstory, if I would, about that.
What is it? Mister Sammy DavisJunior was my my entertainment

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mentor.

Michael Scalar (26:03):
Okay.

Obba Babatundé (26:04):
Because it was the image that I saw growing up
on a black and white televisionin my house. Okay? And I
patterned my style ofentertaining entertaining based
on his. So I'm costarring in aworld tour, 1978, with a woman
named Liza Minelli, another namethat you probably may have heard
of somewhere.

Michael Scalar (26:23):
May have.

Obba Babatundé (26:25):
And, we were gonna getting ready to start our
world tour. And and and misterD, who I affectionately refer to
him as, was going to start hisworld tour. And so we would be
proceeding or follow one anotherinto the different venues around
the world for the next year anda half. So we're on a half a
year and a half tour. So Lizacomes and she used to say, oh,

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but Sammy's here.
He wants to meet you. And Isaid, well, can he meet me after
you see me work? Because I thinkthere's a different
communication when I'm talkingto him as a professional as a
professional because, obviously,I'm a big fan. She goes, well,
he's not going to stay to seethe show. He's opening tomorrow
night and his gums are botheringhim a little bit.
And so he's gonna not see theshow. He just wanted to come by

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and wish us well. So she says,but he would love to meet you.
So I go into the room and he wasgetting something out of the
cooler as I remember and heturns around and he goes Hey my
man, Liza tells me you'remarvelous and unfortunately my
gums are bothering me and ouraudience is the person that we

(27:30):
always are there to provide soI'll be seeing you. So I said
okay.
So I go on and do the show.After the show I hear in the
hallway Marvelous hon, lie,sensational. Where's Oba's
dressing room? Knock on thedoor. It's Salmon.

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I opened the door and there hestood and he looks at me and he
goes You my man are a bitch onwheels. A bitch on wheels. A
bitch on wheels, that'sbrilliant. I invited him in and
paid me a lot of nicecompliments. And those who have
been on the planet long enoughwill understand why I say this
is a moment that I'll neverforget.

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I said to him remember we wereat Harrods in Lake Tahoe and I
said Mr. D, sir, I want to thankyou for coming in through the
kitchen so I could come inthrough the front door. His eyes
welled up with tears, tearrolled down his face, he gave me
a hug and I said, I'm sureyou've heard it before, and he

(28:34):
said, I could never hear itenough. I tell that story
because then we became very fastclose friends until his passing
in 1990. And he shared with me alot of things and this speaks to
your earlier question.
One night Stockholm, Germany,would invite everybody into his

(28:57):
hotel room and then he said thisone night, ladies and gentlemen,
thank you so much for joining meover. Sit down. I'm gonna turn
in, so we'll see you guys thenext time around. And I'm
getting ready. He says, oh, sitdown.
And he said to me, he says, itmay not be easy for you in this

(29:19):
industry because you possessmany of the things that are a
threat to people. Talent? Beingone of them. Yeah. He said that.
And he said, and you don't dothe drugs and the alcohol, and
so you can't be tempted withthat. You are a fair enough

(29:42):
looking guy that you don't needanybody to try to get you a
date. He says, but the one thingI want to share with you is
never quit. Never quit. Anythingthat has been and could be done
has been already done to me andI'm still here.

Michael Scalar (29:59):
It's super valid. There's a lot of people
as soon as things get rocky oruncomfortable, they give up and
then they play the victim orsomething like that. Yeah, man.
I also experienced that in mylife. When someone said I
couldn't do something or Ishouldn't do something, it's
like, I'm going to do it.
Yeah, man.

Obba Babatundé (30:15):
Yeah, man. Yeah. And you have, And you have. And
that's why we're here today, youknow, because that sense of
commitment to to identify thatyou have the ability.

Michael Scalar (30:32):
You can do anything you put your mind to.

Obba Babatundé (30:35):
Come on, bro.

Michael Scalar (30:36):
And you don't listen to the background noise
of people because most people,they wanna see you fail because
that gives them the cop out, theexcuse of why they couldn't
achieve something. Well, no oneelse could do it and I couldn't
do it. And then, you know, andthey do get really pissed off
when people with real talentcome along and they just shoot
up that ladder and they'resitting at the bottom like,
well, I can't do that. And it'sbecause they said I can't do

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that.

Obba Babatundé (30:57):
If you say you can, you're correct. If you say
you can't, you're also correct.Yeah. So words are thoughts, and
thoughts are things. So bemindful of what you say.

Michael Scalar (31:07):
Very words are very powerful. Yes, sir. The
universe is listening.

Obba Babatundé (31:10):
Always. Yeah. Always, brother. You know? So,

Michael Scalar (31:15):
yeah. Okay. So I have a weird question. I I
always wonder this. Is it hardto memorize all the lines?
Like, I'm like, I wonder if Icould be an actor. Like, I don't
I don't think I could memorizethat whole script. Like, how
long do you have to spend onscript time? Like, do you you
read it over and over again,like, a book 20 times?

Obba Babatundé (31:31):
Well, the deal is is that remember, you're not
shooting the whole movie ifyou're doing a movie. You're not
shooting it all in one day.Right. You're remembering the
scene. So you're I mean, thescene.
But I can give you a perfectexample of how to do that. Mhmm.
If I had to do a big monologue,if I'm on in theater because,
you know, there's no cut. Right.You know, it's right there.
Pen or pencil to paper Mhmm. Andwrite it in cursive. A lot of

(31:55):
people don't even know how towrite cursive anymore. These
days. Yeah.
But if you write it in cursive,the brain remembers or
identifies that which you writein cursive as a thought. Typing,
printing, as in emails andtexts, the brain identifies that

(32:17):
grouping as a symbol, not athought. So, again, getting into
the way this thing works, youwrite it out and identify it
because it's now identifying asa thought. Your mind already has
logical thought and progressivethought So you because you speak

(32:39):
the language.

Michael Scalar (32:40):
You're internalizing it in your mind
because you're having to thinkabout what you're doing. It's
you're literally etching it intoyour brain as

Obba Babatundé (32:45):
you can see.

Michael Scalar (32:46):
That's that's a brilliant, little trick there.

Obba Babatundé (32:48):
Yes. That's that's the answer to the
question. Yeah. So that if youhad to ever do a long speech or
anything, you know what I mean,and you say, man, I can't think
of this thing, is that you sitdown and you start to write it
out. And as you do that, youknow, there's also other methods
of being able to, like if you goto, for your audience, if you

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go, like, look in a dictionary,find a word that you cannot
spell, no matter if you soundedit out, it would still be
spelled wrong.
And you write it take threecards and write break it into
three parts and write it ontothe each card. Okay? Then look
at the first three or fourletters and look at it, look at
it, look at it. Close your eyes,look at it. When you close your

(33:30):
eyes and you can see those fourletters, okay.
Then you go to the next card. Dothe same thing. Look at the
first three letters I see them,four letters and I see the next
two and you do that with eachcard. When you then are able to
because you're looking at it nowit's like when you go to the eye
doctor and you're looking at theletters right, if you're looking

(33:51):
at it, even though your eyes areclosed, you're looking at it, if
you spell that word backwards,your brain will never allow you
to forget it ever again.

Michael Scalar (34:00):
Oh, cool. That's fascinating.

Obba Babatundé (34:03):
Yeah. Yeah.

Michael Scalar (34:04):
What what other what other great memory tricks
you got up your sleeve?

Obba Babatundé (34:06):
Man, listen. I I I got a bunch of them. Michael,
I got a bunch of them. You know,it's just through the years of
of, having to come up with like,I teach actors that sometimes
when you're on you remember yourlines relative to your blocking.
So for example, say you're doinga scene and you say okay and I'm

(34:30):
talking to you and I have to goover and to the coffee maker you
know well when I'm walking overthere to the coffee maker I
already remembered when I gowhen I go to the coffee maker
that I'm saying this.
When I pour the coffee, I'mthinking about saying that. When
I'm walking back over to you,now I'm saying this. Now why
does that work? Because thebrain works by association, not

(34:55):
by logic. So the moment you areassociating your direction to go
and get that now if I said,okay.
I'm saying 6171444. When I say16171444 as I'm going over
there, As I start over there,I'm already the association with

(35:17):
me walking over there, that'sgonna pop in my

Michael Scalar (35:19):
head. Interesting.

Obba Babatundé (35:20):
You know what I mean? So again, when you start
to being able to learn exactlythe way it is now, then what
happens is that after you'vedone it a few times, you develop
the habit. Okay. Usually whenpeople talk about habit, it's
something bad. When you've a badhabit, you smoke, cigarette.

Michael Scalar (35:39):
Brain entrainment, I guess would be a
better terminology.

Obba Babatundé (35:43):
Right. Right. Right. Exactly. Right.
Perfectly stated. But it onlytakes twenty seven days to
formulate a habit. Okay? What Itell people is that if you think
I'm joking, if you're one thatdrives an automobile, when you
get in your car, you don't startit up and go, where am I going
to put my hands? Theyautomatically go when you're

(36:03):
going to drive, where they go,when you drive with us.
Here, here, here, whatever itis, your hands go there.

Michael Scalar (36:09):
It's

Obba Babatundé (36:10):
true. If you decide to change them every day,
you go in around and put them inthe new spot, like 3 and nine,
which is where racing cardrivers drive. And there's a
reason for that. People don'trealize it is that if you're
driving here and here at, whateleven and two, right. When you

(36:32):
go to turn, you see my handlocks up.
Right. Okay. Okay. All right.When you're at three and nine,
you got optimal rate.
So anyway, you know, that's so 3And 9 is the example I'm giving,
but by the twentieth day, itwill start to feel uncomfortable
for your hands to be where theyused to be. By the twenty

(36:54):
seventh day, they're there. Bythe thirtieth day, they'll go
there automatically. Braintreatment. Exactly.

Michael Scalar (37:00):
Well, that's fascinating. Back back to, I I
was having to read these scriptsfor like some commercial sound
bite things. Mhmm. And I haverefused to read them. A, I
wasn't wearing my glasses.
Uh-huh. And so I I just kindalike oh, I get the gist of it.
So And instead of reading offwhat their script, I literally
just kinda made up my own thingin this similar pathway of what

(37:22):
they were trying to convey. Howoften in movies are actors doing
something like that wherethey're just completely
rewording things for how theyfeel they want to say it?

Obba Babatundé (37:30):
Another great question deserves a great
answer. Movies different thantelevision, different than
theater. In theater, you don'tget to ad lib.

Michael Scalar (37:40):
Gotcha.

Obba Babatundé (37:41):
Unless you're up, meaning that you can't
remember your line, but you haveto say exactly what's been
written. Right. Okay. Televisionis sometimes you can have a
discussion because thetelevision, the writer is
usually on set and they'll say,well, let me tell you why I
wrote it like that. And that'swhy I'd like it to be stated
like that.

Michael Scalar (38:00):
Makes sense.

Obba Babatundé (38:01):
But, let's discuss it. Maybe we can put a
connecting tissue line whichwill help you get to that
logically to make the change soyou can get to the emotional
point that you're trying to getto. In film is a lot different.
You do have a lot more leeway.Like you take the movie that I
did Life, the majority of that,you know, we had an open book

(38:27):
and you're dealing with EddieMurphy and Martin Lawrence,
right?
You're dealing with Bernie Mac,you're dealing with all these
great comedic actors. Nobody isgoing to tell them you can't say
this, you know? And so thenyou've got these talents that
they were all playing off of oneanother. So it's a little
different there in film than itis.

Michael Scalar (38:49):
It seems like it'd be more fun if you're an
actor and you're like, I knowthe direction we're going here
and I'm just going to make somestuff up and we'll see if it
works.

Obba Babatundé (38:55):
Yeah. Well, yes and and no because you're also
on a time thing. Because if itdoesn't work, then they go,
Michael, what are you doing? Whydid you decide to say that?
Remember, I gotta respond towhat you're saying.
Right. You know what I mean? IfSo you start ad libbing, then I
got to ad lib. And if it's notgoing in a direction of the
scene, we got an issue and nowtime is money. Yeah.

Michael Scalar (39:18):
That makes sense. So, you

Obba Babatundé (39:19):
know, so you might want to take a little
leeway, you know what I mean?But again, it depends on the
property, You know, if it's ifit's a thing where, you know,
you're working with a comedian.

Michael Scalar (39:29):
I imagine comedy is probably easier to

Obba Babatundé (39:31):
do stuff. Exactly.

Michael Scalar (39:32):
Yeah. Throwing zingers out left and right.
Versus telling a story or you'rejust trying to make people
laugh.

Obba Babatundé (39:40):
Yeah, man. Yeah.

Michael Scalar (39:42):
So are you still working on, anything in the

Obba Babatundé (39:45):
In the entertainment industry? Yeah. I
just completed, I just wrote,directed, and produced a, film
short. I did it for a friend ofmine who was very close to her
grandmother. And her grandmothertransitioned and she was taking
a course, at USC as a directorand she was now stuck because

(40:11):
she was going through thisemotional change.
And so I said, you know what?Let me try and help you with
this. So I wrote this piece,it's called Ruby's Heart, and it
deals with a lot of things. Itdeals with it helped her with
her grieving, but it also helpseverybody that I think sees it

(40:33):
with with their grieving. It itgives, a turn where the person
you know, because when somebodytransitions, it's so final.
You know, I say we have aRolodex in our head that we've
been developing and building aswe've been living. And, but when

(40:55):
you get to something like that,that Rolodex is spinning and
there's no card there, you know?And so you are lost because you
don't really know how to whatit's so

Michael Scalar (41:07):
like, final. I wanna reach out to this person,
connect this person, but they'reno longer there.

Obba Babatundé (41:11):
Exactly. Exactly. And if it's a parent or
a relationship, you know, aperson you've been involved with
for years, husband, wife,whatever, you know. So I wrote
this piece and, it's touringaround on independent, cycles,
Ruby's Heart. So if you get achance and you hear about it,

(41:31):
check it out.

Michael Scalar (41:32):
Is it somewhere people can view it now or is it
going through the circuit rightnow?

Obba Babatundé (41:35):
It's going through the circuit right now.

Michael Scalar (41:37):
So you have to go to Sundance Film Festival or
something?

Obba Babatundé (41:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or any local discs because
it goes to you know, there arelocal festivals. It's a film
short. It's only nineteenminutes. Okay.
But it really tells this storyin a way that I think, you know,
and, so, yeah, no, I I continueto stay busy. You know, just
finished our, what, our finalseason on SWAT. Oh, you're

Michael Scalar (42:00):
in SWAT?

Obba Babatundé (42:00):
Yeah. I played the dad on SWAT to to Hondo, the
the lead. And, so we justcompleted our final season on
that, you know?

Michael Scalar (42:09):
Is that refreshing to know that that
project's done, or are you sadto see everyone go?

Obba Babatundé (42:13):
Well, you know what? That's the thing is that
in these things you spend moretime very often with those
people that you're working withthan you do your actual family
because you see them all thetime. So it becomes your own
family. So I've got a hugefamily because of all the years
of doing things. And when I runinto people, it's like, hey, you

(42:35):
know, it's really something.
So I do miss it, you know, but,after doing it half a century,
you know that every gig comes toan end.

Michael Scalar (42:46):
I mean, half a century is a pretty long that's
that's long for TV, isn't it?

Obba Babatundé (42:50):
Well, no. That that no. That's that's not the
the show. That was that's mycareer. Oh.
Well That's

Michael Scalar (42:55):
oh. How sorry. How long how how long has SWAT?

Obba Babatundé (42:57):
That's SWAT was, seven seasons.

Michael Scalar (42:59):
Seven seasons. Over how many years?

Obba Babatundé (43:02):
That's seven about seven Yeah.

Michael Scalar (43:05):
Yeah. I mean, how many TV shows actually go on
that long?

Obba Babatundé (43:08):
I know. I know. It was it was really, really,
really a wonderful, wonderfulproduction. And, you know, had a
great cast and some wonderfulguest directors and great
writers, you know, and we got ahuge fan base. And, you know,
I'm grateful to all the fansover the years, man, who have
supported my career.

(43:28):
You know? And I it's it's sofunny. You know? You go to the
airport. It's not a day,literally, that I don't go
somewhere, and it doesn't matterwhere in the world.
And so I'm not there for twenty,thirty minutes. Somebody goes,
wait a minute. You know what Imean? And so for me the joy of

(44:00):
that and so many actors theyhear, they say, Oh man, hate
when people bother me. And I go,What?
This is someone that all theywant to do is tell you you've
brought some joy into theirlife. What could be bad about
that? And you don't have

Michael Scalar (44:13):
a moment. I'm sure there's people that are a
little bothersome to a certainextent, but

Obba Babatundé (44:16):
A lot of people. Yeah. I hear about that. And
people go, man,

Michael Scalar (44:19):
you know what? You you you're so cool, man. You
know? A lot of people I met,celebrities, they don't wanna
talk. I said, well,

Obba Babatundé (44:25):
they missed out. They missed out on the
opportunity to meet a newfriend, make a new friend,
realize that you brought somejoy into somebody's life. That's
a great thing. I love it.

Michael Scalar (44:35):
Yeah. I I I've been on the receiving end of, oh
my god. Know who you are. It'ssometimes it's very positive.
And the other times it's they'relike wanna hold onto your arm
and follow you for a long time.
I would say that people outthere, if you meet one of your
idols, be polite and be Don't

Obba Babatundé (44:51):
hold onto

Michael Scalar (44:52):
their arm. Yeah. Be polite and be brief. You
know, maybe take one photo.Thank you.
It was wonderful to meet you.But if you're trying to linger
for like ten, fifteen minutesand and and have a long
conversation, people probablyhave something that they need to
get to know.

Obba Babatundé (45:04):
Yeah. Yeah. It's it's funny because like I
remember one time it was scarycause I was in the mall and, I
was looking to buy a shirt orsomething and it was one of the
people that worked there andthey were like, and I kind of
recognized it. And they went andtold a coworker. And then the

(45:25):
coworker goes, excuse me, thisguy says, are you really?
And then somebody that'sshopping goes, Oh, I thought
that was you. And the next thingyou know, there was a crowd
around me but I couldn't getout. Oh no. Because now the
people from behind those peopleare pushing to try and say who
is that? And it was kind of likewoah easy fellas hey you know

(45:47):
what let's take five.

Michael Scalar (46:05):
Excellent stage left. Yeah. I've never been
surrounded though. But, yeah,it's a lot of times, it's very
pleasant to talk to a lot ofpeople, other times, they're
just like, oh, okay. Where am Igonna go now?
Yes.

Obba Babatundé (46:18):
Yes.

Michael Scalar (46:19):
Yes. Alright. So let's move out the Hollywood
side of things.

Obba Babatundé (46:21):
Yeah.

Michael Scalar (46:22):
If let's pretend I was one of your family members
and you were trying to give theabsolute best life advice in the
world. Does anything come tomind that you wanna convey to
our

Obba Babatundé (46:33):
audience? You know, I share with people that
what I've learned is that we getcaught up in trying to live the
perfect existence rather thanunderstand that what I've

(47:00):
learned is that life iscomprised of a series of
experiences and we're here toexperience the experience. Deep.
You know what I mean? And that'swhat I have found.
The other thing is that you havemore control over your emotional

(47:23):
state than you realize becauseof the way the brain works. If
it wasn't true I couldn't be anactor Because I would have to
deal with that's reallyhappening right now, and that
that or it's not happening rightnow. Well, that doesn't. If
we're doing a scene, and you andI are in a scene, and we're
supposed to be on an airplane,we're in a box that's a set

(47:44):
piece, There's two guysunderneath and, you know, we're,
we're talking and then we'resupposed to hit turbulence. It
says in the script and the redlight goes on and they push the
thing and we go, what was that?
You know, I go, okay. Then we goback to the conversation and the
red light goes on and they pushit a little harder and we go,
hey listen son. Well in thatmoment, know, they go cut. You

(48:04):
go, listen, I'm sorry. I spilledmy juice.
Can I get a napkin? You know,you're out of it. So again, you
know, you have the ability. Youreally do. When something is
going on, I'll put it like this.
Yesterday is but one of twothings, a pleasant or an

(48:29):
unpleasant memory. But it's onlya memory because you can't go
back and undo it. Tomorrow hasnot yet happened, so it's
perfect. It's pristine. Itdidn't happen yet.
So don't worry about that. Weprepare for tomorrow by how we
live today in this moment day,not day as in twenty four hours

(48:51):
day as in moment, we're having areal conversation right now and
things are good. There are carsright now on the freeway that
are doing upward of 75 miles anhour. We're in no danger of
being run over by them becausewe're not there. Yeah.
So I could sit here and go, ohmy god, hope I don't get run

(49:13):
over by a car if I go outside.What am I doing? I'm creating
that for myself. I don't need todo that. Okay?

Michael Scalar (49:22):
So You're right. There's there's a lot of people
on the planet that focus toomuch on what has been. And
ideally, you want to live in themoment and plan for the future.
Yes. Because you you live momentto moment moving in one
direction and that's towards thefuture.
You do see that a lot peopleplayed the victim or they're
upset. Their emotional state isstuck in the past.

Obba Babatundé (49:44):
Yes.

Michael Scalar (49:44):
And if you put your emotional state in a
trajectory moving towards thefuture where you're trying to
find right pathway, the rightperspective, the the right
energy and movement. Just you'renot trying to move into the
state of depression, you'retrying to move out of it. So you
don't focus on depression.

Obba Babatundé (50:00):
And that won't you focus

Michael Scalar (50:01):
on a negative or a hate or a loss. You're
focusing on what your brighterfuture could be. And it's a nice
way that you put that because alot of people are stuck in what
has happened instead of lookingtowards a brighter future. When
you're focusing on health andgoing to an EE system, you're
you're not focusing on beingill, you're focusing on getting

(50:23):
better.

Obba Babatundé (50:24):
That's exactly correct. And that what you focus
on, is that what you willattract? Yeah. There's no doubt
about it.

Michael Scalar (50:31):
Shine a light on something, it expands.

Obba Babatundé (50:33):
Come on, bro.

Michael Scalar (50:33):
Give it energy, it expands.

Obba Babatundé (50:35):
Exactly. Even in in the

Michael Scalar (50:37):
past, it gets smaller and smaller.

Obba Babatundé (50:39):
Yeah, man. It does. So that's that would be my
answer to to the to the wellstated question that you posed.
That's that's what I have foundthat works. So case point and
example.
Something goes on, and you'reand you're a human being, so you
have emotions. You're upsetabout it. Okay? Give yourself

(50:59):
how long you decide you're gonnabe upset about it.

Michael Scalar (51:01):
Pro process it as quick as possible and move
past it. For some people, that'seasier than than others. But
again, do need process it andthen feel it and detox it
almost.

Obba Babatundé (51:12):
Yes, bro. And you can do it. You can do it.
There are all kinds of exercisesand things you could do. Like,
for example, you know, peopledon't realize joy, ecstasy is
located in the frontal lobe ofthe brain.
Mhmm. Okay? That's why when youtry not to cry, look up. Mhmm.

(51:33):
If you look up, your tear ductswill not work.
Interesting. Okay. Alright. Canshow you how to access different
parts of your brain right now.So if I said to you, I said, if
I said to you, describe to mewhat it looks like when I walk
into your your your the frontdoor of your house.

(51:53):
You will begin to talk about itand you say, okay. But when you
walk in and you see, it would beright here in this part of where
your eyes would be, would beright in this area here. If I
said to you, I said, and I'mgonna do it right now. So
describe to me what it lookedlike if I walked into the
bathroom in the house that yougrew up in as a child. There

(52:16):
they go.
I don't recall. Take go ahead.Just try and try and remember.

Michael Scalar (52:21):
Oh, man. Lived in so many houses growing up.
We'll we'll go with the one inHawaii. I would walk into, the
bedroom, and then, about 12feet, there's a door on the
left.

Obba Babatundé (52:33):
Okay. Alright. So just just describe to me what
you will see. There's a

Michael Scalar (52:37):
basin, on the the right, toilet across from
it, shower on the left wall, andit had a tub. Don't recall.

Obba Babatundé (52:47):
Okay. You don't have to remember

Michael Scalar (52:48):
the white motif.

Obba Babatundé (52:49):
All you have to do is just try. I'm just there's
the reason I'm showing you this.Now describe to me, and to your
audience the most crazy animalthat you'd ever never seen what
it would look like?

Michael Scalar (53:05):
Probably a shark with laser beams.

Obba Babatundé (53:07):
No. No. Describe it.

Michael Scalar (53:08):
Describe it.

Obba Babatundé (53:09):
Because because because because, you know, I
wanna just show you. See whatI'm showing you is that when you
go to describe the the You'reright

Michael Scalar (53:15):
the imagination. Darting all over the place
trying to find like information.

Obba Babatundé (53:21):
If I said this so that if you said this is how
they do also with lie detectortests because people identify if
I, you know, like if you'remaking something up, you go,
okay, it would have a big head,so you would go to the left part
over here, that's where youwould access the imagination.

(53:43):
Left side. Interesting. Right inhere. Okay.
That like for example, somebodydidn't show up at work and they
go, Oh, you know what happened?I was, you know, I was going to
call you, but like my dog andit's starting to look over here
and you You're going

Michael Scalar (53:58):
to the left, you're like, oh, you ain't got a
dog. So,

Obba Babatundé (54:03):
so, so in, in, in that knowing how to access
certain parts of your brain justwith eye movement.

Michael Scalar (54:12):
Okay, so let's recap here. Left might be lying,
we'll say theory might be lying,maybe they've got a choice.

Obba Babatundé (54:17):
Well, we'll say imagination.

Michael Scalar (54:19):
Imagination, I like that. Imagination and
theoretical is to the left. IfI'm looking to the right, what's
that?

Obba Babatundé (54:23):
Upright. Upright. When you did upper
right Recalling. Exactly. I

Michael Scalar (54:28):
didn't do this, I was looking up and right.

Obba Babatundé (54:30):
Uh-huh, okay. Upright, right, that was like,
that's the distant past.Present, okay, you would see it
right here and you'd be looking

Michael Scalar (54:37):
like Like we're looking looking right two feet
out mouth level. Exactly.

Obba Babatundé (54:41):
You know what I mean?

Michael Scalar (54:42):
Some people are gonna listen to this, on audio
only, so I'm trying to give thema

Obba Babatundé (54:47):
little Oh, I got you. You. Got you. I got you. So
yeah, you know, I mean, butthat's the ability to different
access different parts of thebrain.
You know what I mean? And, likeI said, if you look straight up,
you know, you cannot cry, Tearswill not fall.

Michael Scalar (55:05):
I'm gonna get off some onions, I'm gonna start
chopping them, I'm start lookingup to see

Obba Babatundé (55:08):
what happens. Tear dogs won't work.

Michael Scalar (55:11):
Amazing. Maybe that's the life hack for onions
is just don't cut your fingers Iguess. You don't look down at
the onion, go, don't cry.

Obba Babatundé (55:21):
You know? But again, it's it's just the way we
haven't been educated in theseways to access different things.
You know?

Michael Scalar (55:29):
These are almost like mystery school teachings or
CIA school stuff. Like, generalpublic shouldn't know this, it's
too powerful. I know.

Obba Babatundé (55:37):
Woah man. Yeah. Well,

Michael Scalar (55:41):
yeah. You got any other, juice there in the in
the CIA mystery school teaching

Obba Babatundé (55:45):
stuff? Almost teaching school of magic tricks,
you know. Well, other thing isthat I tell people, the
magician's trick only works whenthey get you to pay attention to
the distraction. Okay? So thatcan help you also from what
you're, how you're digestingthings.

(56:08):
You know what I mean? If you'relike caught up in the
distraction, you know, as sohappens with many things that
we're paying attention to, youknow, look over here, look over
here. Don't look over herebecause this is not important.
Nothing to see here, but here,look how shiny this is. And did
you know this?
And it keeps repeating,repeating, repeating, repeating.

(56:28):
Okay. Think, think about this.You and you're going to love
this. We were talking abouttelevision, right?
Break that word down. Tell avision. Tell a vision, not tell

(56:52):
the truth.

Michael Scalar (56:54):
Tell theater. A

Obba Babatundé (56:55):
vision. Okay. Also that when they say when it
comes on all the time, it'stelevision programming.

Michael Scalar (57:05):
It is definitely programming. Let me ask you a
question. Do you have cable TVin your house? No. Yeah, me
either.
The reason why is because it'sprogramming.

Obba Babatundé (57:19):
But it's nothing being hidden. We've heard it for
years, television, television,television programming. And
people go wow man, have youthought about that?

Michael Scalar (57:31):
Well you have mainstream media, Fox News, CNN
News, NBC. They put news in thename, but they're media. They
are selling advertising spaceand they are presenting a story
and a narrative, but people go,Oh, well, it's the news. It's
journalism. Yes.
Like how it is.

Obba Babatundé (57:52):
Yeah, man.

Michael Scalar (57:53):
I know. It's bought and paid for programming.

Obba Babatundé (57:56):
And it's so obvious when

Michael Scalar (57:59):
It's you've been amazing how people don't
understand how obvious that is.Well But it is. It's so obvious.

Obba Babatundé (58:04):
Also because of, again, it's been introduced at a
time when you're open toreceiving the indoctrination of
something. So they haven't theyhaven't, you know, attention
because it's indoctrination,education, or as I told you, the

(58:27):
brain works by association. Itold somebody, they said they
did they're smoking cigarettes.I said, man, you still smoking
cigarettes?

Michael Scalar (58:32):
Yes, man. Listen, man. I've been smoking
since I was 12.

Obba Babatundé (58:37):
I've tried everything over. I tried the
patch. I tried hypnosis. I triednicotine. Nothing works.
I said, can get you to stopsmoking immediately. Really?
Come on, man. I said, where'syou got a cigarette? I said,
yeah.
I said, light it. Light thecigarette. I said, okay. Now
you're going to be able to takethe next drag. But before you
do, it is imperative that youhave to take the lit in and

(59:01):
stick it into your eye.
I'm not sticking those things inmy eye. Do you how bad do you
wanna stop? Because if you hadto do that why? Because we're
born to do what? Of gainpleasure or avoid pain is why we
do most things in life.
And relative to what has beenintroduced to us as pleasurable

(59:22):
or painful is what we'reattracted to. Okay. The baby,
the infant before it has alanguage or comprehension, only
cries when it's uncomfortable,soiled, hungry, hurt itself,
tired, only when it'suncomfortable. I have to teach
you that. It's the association.

(59:43):
You know what I mean? So change,you want to change the habit or
something that you do that youdon't like? Change the
association and watch it happen.Cause you can formulate a new
habit. That's a good one.
Cause a habit is all, all ahabit is is that what you do
without previous thought. Wetalked about where you put your

(01:00:04):
hands on the steering wheel.

Michael Scalar (01:00:05):
Yeah.

Obba Babatundé (01:00:06):
You know? That's the deal, man.

Michael Scalar (01:00:08):
Well, that's that's brilliant. I think we're
about up on time, and we'll wraphere soon. But do you have one
more EE system, miracle story?

Obba Babatundé (01:00:16):
Yes. You know, this one you're aware of. I I
talk about Anna always becauseAnna talks about it. She had a
been diagnosed with stage fourcancer. Had a tumor under her
arm that was so large shecouldn't put her arm down.
You met her at I recall her.And, she found an she came to

(01:00:44):
Vegas actually to transitionwith her family. That's why she
came. And she heard about an EEcenter and she started going.
And she went back to her doctorand they said, Hey, man.
This thing is stage three now.This is great, what have you
been doing? She goes, Well, Ichanged my diet a little bit.
Great, yes! And I found thisplace called the EE's Ah man,

(01:01:07):
that stuff doesn't work.
Forget that. Listen, we're gonnareally knock this stuff out,
we're gonna treat this thing.Don't worry, man. We're gonna
yes. They started giving hertraditional treatment.
Mhmm. It went back to stagefour. Wow. She ended up getting
a job as a receptionist at Dan'splace. Mhmm.
Start doing overnights. As wesit here and have this podcast

(01:01:29):
right now, tumor's gone,cancer's undetectable. That's a
miracle, man.

Michael Scalar (01:01:36):
That is a miracle. I can't say that was
our technology. We'll probablyhave to throw a medical
disclaimer somewhere on thebeginning of this. Yes. Yeah.
YouTube don't ban me. Yes. But,no, I mean, I love hearing these
stories even if I've I've heardthem everyone tells a story,
like, in a different contexttoo. But, yeah, I've heard I've
heard that one a couple timesand it's a definitely a miracle
story. I'm sure she was doing abunch of different things

(01:01:59):
outside our technology that musthave been attributed or was
praying really hard.
I don't know.

Obba Babatundé (01:02:04):
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I'm sure.
I'm sure. But, you know, I I amas I said, you know, I'm just
thrilled that we're we're thereand we're offering people. And
at the very, least, you'll comein and take a two hour nap.
It'll be the best nap of yourlife.

Michael Scalar (01:02:25):
Yeah. I mean, there there you there's no lose
lose. People go, oh, it costmoney, and a miracle didn't
happen. It's like, you were inthere for an hour, and what what
what do you it took you thirtyyears of your life or fifty
years of your life to get in abad shape. Nothing happens.
There's no magic pill out there.There's no poof. It's gone.

Obba Babatundé (01:02:41):
Exactly. Well, what I tell people, said, you
know, it's accumulative. Youdidn't go to bed perfectly in
perfect health and and and wakeup perfectly jacked up. Yeah.
You know what I mean?
It was accumulative, and so isthis is also but the beautiful
thing is is that it doesn't takeyou as long for it to the body
for the body to do what the bodyis designed to do. Today, I

(01:03:05):
don't think anybody listening tous, and certainly not you and I
sitting here, have had to stopand think this is about the
miracle of the body. About howmany times we had to blink to
keep our eyes lubricated andstop them from not drying out
and falling out of our head.Amen. It did that.
You know what I mean? And it's amiracle design, you know? And

(01:03:29):
so, hey, you know, you know,check us out. Please, River Sage
for Life Regenerative Center.We're here to help.
You know? Come on and see us ifyou're anywhere near us.

Michael Scalar (01:03:46):
Well, thank you so much for joining us. And,
yes, everyone go find ObaBabatunde. Alright. Well, I
appreciate you.

Obba Babatundé (01:03:54):
We'll Thank

Michael Scalar (01:03:55):
you so you next time. And everyone else, like,
comment, subscribe, follow, doall those Internet social
things. Thank you so much forwatching.
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