Looksmaxxing Won't Fix the Emptiness Inside | Everything's Energy Ep-45 - EEShow (Everything's Energy Show)

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Roland (00:00):
I don't think that the idea of looking good though is

(00:03):
entirely nefarious and negative.I don't think the idea of
wanting to present yourself inthe best way forward. There's a
balance point there. Right?Because you said it really If
you want to look good,Looksmaxxing will give you
something for a very shortwindow.

Michael Scalar (00:21):
You're tuned into Everything's Energy. What
the f*** are we gonna talkabout?

Roland (00:24):
We are having a thoughts and musings episode, I think. So
we have a bunch of potentialtopics. It depends on where we
wanna start. You and I havenever done this before, so I'm
intrigued, a little afraid, anda little on the unknown of where
we're gonna go, but I say wejust go for it.

Let's let's talk about talk about looksmaxxing.
It's a really interestingconcept that's come up where
people are smashing their facewith hammers to increase bone
density to try and get bettercheekbones. I think it's it's a
weird concept. Not really new.

Roland (00:53):
That, though. So I I I saw this. There there's this one
guy, clavicular or something. Idon't even know how his name
relates to him because to me,like I he

like clavicles. Maybe. Yeah.

Roland (01:07):
So this whole looksmaxxing thing is it's
you're trying to maximize yourown given genetics in terms of
how you look based upon aframework of masculinity in the
features of the face. So Well,it's

not just the face. He was there's videos of
him putting, like, feminineproducts in his shoes, like,
from a store to

Roland (01:30):
Oh, to elevate his height? Yeah. So the looks

maxing is height. It's slimness, fitness.
The facial mask. He's wearingsome makeup sometimes.

Roland (01:40):
Oh, yeah. I saw a video of him and another guy
literally, like, applying makeupin the mirror. And I would
imagine imagine their greatgrandfather is going, what the
the

I I think we just used to call this being
metro.

Roland (01:50):
Yes. Now Metros of all to look maxxing.

Which is kind of a cool name. I won't lie.

Roland (01:54):
But, you know, he's he's he's even putting, like,
shoulder pads on at times tomake his arms look bigger. Isn't
that the same thing where, youknow, you go out, you meet a
girl, she's wearing fakeeyelashes, tons of makeup, all
that kind of stuff?

Modernizing dudes doing weird shit Yeah. To
look prettier. Yeah.

Roland (02:13):
It's pulling the it's pulling the old go to bed at two
of the ten and wake up at tenwith a two kind of mentality for
men.

Some of the worst parts though is he's
literally saying he doesmethamphetamines, not even
Adderall, like meth to Luxmaxxbecause it helps his jaw
structure to look slimmer. It itit sucks the Reduces appetite,
so he's not eating as much.That's so I I guess our
conversation would be like theextreme shit people do to look
sexy. And it goes on both sides.The women have been been doing

(02:44):
this since the dawn of time.
I think it started really with,like, the the push up bra. Yeah.
Or the corset. The corset. Wewould get slimmer waist.
Back in the day, they they hadthose those things that make
your butt look bigger, but itwas like a a frame.

Roland (02:57):
I'm thinking of, the black and white videos of the
big women standing with that bigrubber band that shook around
them and it would be a fast wayto lose weight without having to
exercise.

Well, but

Roland (03:06):
it comes back to human obsession with visual appeal
with all that kind of stuff.

And that's a great point too is looking
attractive does not equal beinghealthy.

Roland (03:18):
No. Quite the opposite.

Most most of the most attractive people I've ever
ever known, they have weirdhealth things from gut Mhmm. To
mental issues. You if you wannamaximize if you wanna max
anything, max healthy living.

Roland (03:33):
Yes. Health maxing.

Health maxing.

Roland (03:35):
Which is not biohacking. We've done an episode on that.
Yeah. And anything taken to theextreme by virtue of extremity
becomes unhealthy. But to what Ijust said about, you know,
society's obsessed obsessionwith vanity, why do you think
this is getting worse from asocietal perspective?
Because I like to examine thesethings. I mean, that's I

think that's the core of it. Yeah. Social media.
Everyone's trying to look betteron the Internet.

Roland (03:58):
The precedent that social media is setting for
people.

Precisely. Yes. It it goes into that dating
concept too is girls see theseother girls on yachts with the
Lambo and the Birkin, andthey're like, well, I I wanna
get that. So people are seeingpretty people on the Internet.
Like, I wanna achieve that.
And then, you know, people arespending money to do these weird
things, whether it's guys orgirls. And we'll let's go back

(04:22):
to that the face smashing thing,because I think it's fascinating
because there's some guy who'sliterally punching himself in
the face to do this this bonesmashing thing and a burst of
vessels bleeding. But there issome benefit to that because I
was saying I trained Muay Thaiand when I first started
kicking, man, my shins feltterrible. I did the same. And,
but it wasn't long after thatthat you get conditioned and the
bone density has increased andyou're not feeling any pain.

(04:44):
And you see these Muay Thai guysthat are really crazy like
kicking trees Like chopping

Roland (04:47):
down. Their legs. My coach used to make us clash
shins for reps. Yeah. And it washorrible.
But you're right, over timethere is a thickening of the
bone, but there's also adeadening of the nerve endings.
Yeah. And you're missingcommunication in your body to
turn it into a weapon. And Idon't know how many 75 year old
guys care about chopping downtrees with their tree trunk legs

(05:09):
but it can't just be abeneficial altogether. So my
worry about what these youngkids are doing is when you're
young and invincible, you haveno concept of consequence.

There's no longevity concept. It's, oh, I'm
gonna live forever. I got allthe time in the world.

Roland (05:24):
Well, this this guy who we we introduced, he's gone on
the record saying it's like I'mnot a big longevity guy. That's
easy to say at 21 years old.Yeah. Anyone can say anything
when they're young and they'renot staring impending mortality
in the face but it sets aprecedent for these young people
not to consider everything, theholistic perspective of what

(05:44):
they're putting themselvesthrough because it could start
with smashing your face with ahammer, which I I say that and I
can't believe that that's wheresociety is. We have a bunch of
young guys who wanna look moreappealing to the opposite sex,
so they're gonna, you know, selfmutilate to the point of almost
extreme.

And overly self medicate. I talked to this one
guy who was doing too manydrugs. I'm like, you know, you
get a long life ahead of you.Get this is very damaging. And
his response was, I'd ratherburn out than fade away.
I was like,

Roland (06:10):
okay. So he read Keith Richards biography or something?

The youth think they're invincible, as you're
saying, and they're not thinkingrealizing they're gonna live to
60, maybe. I hope. Unless they,you know 60 is not airplane with
a without a parachute. I mean,people aren't thinking towards
the future. They're thinking totheir immediate gains that
they're getting.
So you've got someone takingmeth to stay skinny and have a

(06:38):
better jawline, not realizingthey're gonna burn their whole
system to toast. So they'relooking pretty now. And
ironically, some of these peopledon't even really they're
actually relatively attractive.They don't need a Luxmaxx. Mhmm.
They they need to Lifemaxx. Butthey're they're gonna by the
time they they're 30, they're beextremely overweight, probably
mentally ill, and physically illat 30. I mean, maybe they'll get

(07:03):
lucky and go to 40 if theyinject enough of these peptides,
or maybe go to an EE system forrecovery.

Roland (07:07):
That would be a good idea. But you make a really good
point. They're living for theshort period of time without
considering that physiologicallyspeaking, maintaining youth past
youth is impossible. Like youcan be healthy and look great in
your fifties and sixties. I whenI'm in the airport traveling you

(07:28):
know you see like older guyswalking around they're in great
shape they have a nice suit on,head of white hair.
I'm like, good for you, man.Like, you you give a shit. You
take care of yourself. You seean older woman who's clearly she
yoga, pilates, goes to the gym,but they're not trying to look
like they're 20 or 30. They'rethey're they're aging
gracefully, but they're keepingtheir health in check.
So therefore, their physicalhabitus and their looks are

(07:51):
following suit. These youngpeople are just doing the quick
fix it quick fix instantgratification. And I find
there's a a very deleterious,insidious underbelly to this.
All of it is about not acceptingyourself. Every aspect of it is
about not indulging in any selflove because you're trying to be

(08:12):
anything but what you are inthat moment.
You're trying to bettereverything and you're living
through a lens of pure egoprojection through rejection as
the fundamental tenant of howyou relate to yourself. Does
that make sense?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. I mean, I I think a
lot a lot of they're just tryingto get laid.

Roland (08:32):
Which is, again, transactional, not something
that's built upon anything otherthan I wanna satisfy myself.

Mhmm.

Roland (08:39):
Not I wanna actually deepen my connection with
someone or build a betterrelationship with someone else?

Well, societally, it seems like people
really don't wanna connect withanyone. They they want a a quick
dopamine rush Yeah. And onto thenext one. Sadly, I mean, it's
understandable. Like, basically,they're addicted not just to the
drugs, but to the next rush.
What am I how am I gonna get mynext rush? I'm gonna grab this
rush and then this rush, whicheventually leads to ultimately

(09:06):
sadness because you you can't ata certain point, you're chasing
that dragon Mhmm. And there's norushes left.

Roland (09:12):
Yeah you've done them

all. Yeah you become jaded and you're gonna be
30 and be like meh.

Roland (09:17):
Yeah like what's the point? Yeah. And it's
interesting because if you lookat that from a perspective of
one's journey through life and Ithink now we've taken looks as
like a surface level symptom,we're going deeper. There is an
issue in society that I see withpeople of just not being content
with what they have and who theyare and what is. They're trying

(09:37):
to squeeze everything out oflife not thinking about what am
I doing this for?

Yeah. I mean, we could kinda touch on the again,
that's a symptom of socialmedia. Everyone's doing this
fake glamour shit, and youliterally have guys out there
renting a Lambo to look reallycool on the Internet, going into
debt just so they look cooler.They're trying to sell it
course. Women are out therewhoring themselves to get this
Birkin bag one way or another.
I'm flying to Dubai. Where'd youget all those pretty things? Oh,

(10:05):
I bet a guy. He was reallygenerous, and now we're not
talking. So they could get apretty bag.
I mean and then so people areseeing this on the Internet and
like, oh, well, it must not bethat hard to get these things.
Girls are going, oh, I I can geta Birkin bag somehow by by doing
these weird things. I just gottalook really pretty so that now
they're look smacksing to catchsome rich dude to fulfill their

(10:27):
fantasy of having a a fancypiece of leather that costs a
lot of money. Guys are outthere, oh, I gotta get this car.
Gotta get this car.
I have a nice car. Like, itdoesn't bring me happiness. It
gets from point a to point b.Mhmm. It's what?
Like, I've never in my life beenlike, I need

Roland (10:45):
to get a car. Well, you're not doing it for
something outside of you. Like,I love cars as well. I have a
couple vehicles

That's not your life mission. It shouldn't be
car.

Roland (10:53):
No. It's my hobby. Yeah. I race cars on racetracks. I do
it competitively, but I'm notdoing it because I want to be
seen a certain way.
I'm doing it for the thrill andthe absolute presence of the
experience. Like to me there's asole aspect of satisfaction that
comes from these things. I'm notdoing them for external approval
or external status. Socialmedia, barely. I don't.

Yeah. That's the difference though. So you have
people like, I gotta look reallyfucking cool on the Internet.
And I you got guys and girls,we're looking cool on the
Internet. It's like, go buy acup of coffee with that.

Roland (11:27):
And it's it's interesting you bring that up
because I sometimes have thesethought experiments. I go, okay.
It's 2026. The human race,however old it really is, has
been developing in and of itselfwith just the natural stimuli
and influences of itselfgrowing.

Mhmm.

Roland (11:45):
Why is it when we are theoretically at the most
advanced state of society thatwe seem to be so disconnected
from anything within ourselvesinternally and we seem to be so
externally focused. Like do youever have these thoughts
yourself and ask yourself whydoes this play out the way it
does? I know it's a super deepcrazy question. But these are

(12:09):
the things I think about when Ilook at this stuff because if I
run a thought experiment in myown head and I ask myself, other
than, for lack of betterdescription, blowing shit up to
start over again. What is thebenefit of this?
Why do we have a society wherewe have more than we've ever
had? We have an infinite numberof options to indulge ourselves

(12:30):
in any which way we want becausewe have the resources to do it.
But why in conjunction with thatdo we have more depression, more
dissatisfaction? We have peoplewho are suicidal. We have people
who are mutilating themselves totry to feel who they really are.
Why?

Well, I'm not saying it's aliens, but aliens.
It's Energy weapons. It's it'swe'll we'll we'll go straight to
it. It's the matrix. It's thesystem designed to create this
illusion.
Mhmm. And people are so suckedinto this illusion that they
think they need to feed theillusion by being a part of the
illusion. So they try tointegrate with the illusion,
become one with the illusion,not realizing it's self

(13:06):
destructive. But that's kind ofthe point of the matrix is
consume. We don't wantlongevity.
We don't we we don't care aboutyour health or anything. We want
you to be a good worker,contributing in your taxes,
contribute in society as beingsomeone's employee who they
contribute in their taxes, feedthe beast. The the matrix is is
that. It's it's literally if youlook at the matrix, you're in a
system that's designed to suckenergy out of everyone that

(13:29):
contributes to it for its ownbenefit. Mhmm.
It's it's

Roland (13:32):
it's Feeding off of it.

It's societally, that's what's been programmed in
people is, okay. Well, I need tolook this way. I need to be this
way. I need to act this way. Ineed to do this thing because
the matrix said so, and they'relistening.

Roland (13:44):
I don't think that the idea of looking good, though, is
entirely nefarious and negative.I don't think the idea of
wanting to present yourself inthe best way forward

Making that your whole existence, though, is

Roland (13:57):
there's a balance point there, right? Because you said
it really well. If you want tolook good, looks maxing will
give you something for a veryshort window. And I've seen this
too. Sometimes the people whohave, the most natural genetic
blessings at the young age, itbecomes their identity and then
it ends up consuming them andthey essentially like, oh, that

(14:19):
was the hot person in highschool.
They're the best looking personin high school. You see them

Depressed later.

Roland (14:23):
Or they just have let themselves go because the
pressure of that essentially gotto them and they just couldn't
sustain and they fell apart. Butdeveloping a healthy
relationship with yourself andtaking care of yourself will
actually give you the bestpossible long term ing potential
inside of yourself. How do youthink we we help people shift

(14:45):
that? Because the way it's goingright now, I see it getting
worse before it gets better.

I mean, I think we already have some of highest
or lowest age rates forlongevity that we've had despite
technical all the advances.

Roland (15:00):
Yeah. Life expectancy is starting to go backwards.

Yeah. It's starting to go backwards. So
that's people are willing to doanything to get the short term.
No one has a long term plan onthings.

Roland (15:12):
Even longevity as a field is a is a bunch of short
term decisions and actions ifyou think about it. Yeah.
Injecting things inside of you.

Experimental things sometimes.

Roland (15:22):
These these, yes. The these extreme measures of, I
don't know, caloric restrictionwith manipulating foods and
macronutrients, like everythingabout longevity is you're trying
to shortcut and quick fix howhabits and lifestyles of long
lived people have done thingsthrough time. You're trying to

(15:42):
condense that all in a shortperiod of time with decisions
and expect the outcome to bethat you're going to get to 80
or 90.

I don't think anyone's looking past even a
short period of time, which isprobably the problem. Mhmm.
Everyone's just like, alright.I'm trying to achieve x y z
goal. Mhmm.
And they're not really thinkingof anything outside that. So the
girl who wants to look likeBarbie, I have no idea where
these women get all this money,but they'll spend hundreds of
thousands of dollars lookinglike Barbie. And a bunch of

(16:12):
these these they they die veryyoung, typically. Whether it's
suicide, a weird death, they dieon the operating table Yeah.
Which is actually

Roland (16:21):
sixtieth surgery or something.

Yeah. No. There was an influencer that had a ton
of work that randomly diedsomewhere, and I've heard
there's actually a trend I'veseen recently of these looks
maxing typically females dying.One was getting a BBL and died
on the table. That was one onerecently.
So but, I mean, you look at lookat the ultimate looks maxers,

(16:44):
the trans community. They don'tlook good at a certain age.

Roland (16:47):
They're look changers.

They they well, no. The highest rate of self
opting out is actually intransgenders. Mhmm. And it kind
of makes sense because from ateenager to their peak, you
know, they you're young. It'seasy to stay beautiful when
you're young, especially somehowthey're getting all this money
for these weird surgeries.
But you don't see a lot of oldtrainees. No. And it's because

(17:09):
they they self opt out veryoften frequently because their
whole identity is beingsomething they're not. And I'm
not trying to shit on the transcommunity. It's just facts.

Roland (17:18):
You know, it's you're right. I mean, most of the
people who are

So the illusion. Yeah. They're feeding this
illusion so hard that they'recrashing and burning at a
certain point. Well, I mean,let's say you were a 10 trainee.
Like, you did it all.
You look like a female. Barelyanyone can tell, but then you
hit 40. It's very hard for a 40year old anyone to continue
looking good into their fifties.This is like go go into a state

(17:44):
of depression. And I I have Ihave a theory too that when
people don't wanna here on thisplanet, they manifest self
opting out whether it's itdoesn't have to be a direct,
like, overdosing of drugs orjumping off a building.
They They orchestrate somethingfor themselves. Something on a
karmic energetic level where

Roland (18:00):
Yeah.

They're out. They've they've now checked out
and the body follows. And I go

Roland (18:04):
to that level as a lens of looking through a lot of
these things because if you tryto make sense of all the
permutations of why someone doeswhat they do, you'll never
figure anything out because it'smore numerous and you can even
fathom. An example would be so,you know, you have some very
pivotal points in someone'slife. You talked about someone
who does a transition, theybecome 40 years old, then all of

(18:25):
a sudden, like, don't want to behere anymore. You turned 40 a
few years ago. I'm about to turn40 in a few months.
There is a reckoning of internallens of who you are at the age
of 40. It seems to be unanimous,among everyone where it's like,
who am I? Am I happy with whoI've been? Where do I want to
go? I feel like something needsto change.

(18:47):
If you have such short termthinking, I'm going to
transition fully, then 40 hits.What if you have this thought of
like shit

and that's your whole identity is just looking
pretty.

Roland (18:57):
And then on the one day you wake up and you're like, I I
don't resonate with any of thisanymore. You have a massive
meltdown internally.

No. You you see a high rate of depression,
bipolar disorders, things likethat, and people who are
extremely attractive in theiryounger years, and then they hit
that threshold where they're nolonger really overly attractive,
it falls off. And you see mentalproblems with this. For me, as
men, I mean, obviously we're nottrying to look have you ever
just tried to look pretty atpoint a in your life?

Roland (19:24):
I mean, just a little bit of foundation and blush.
That's about it. Yeah. All

right. I mean, you're trying to you're you're
more of longevity guy.

Roland (19:30):
I just try to stay in shape. Yeah. Take care of my
health as best as possible,manage stress. And the outcome
is either I'm going to maintain,progress, or lose as little as
possible of what I have.

Yeah.

Roland (19:43):
Or if I don't manage that well, it's just gonna go
downhill quickly.

Yeah. So I mean, I've never really tried to be
pretty. That's never been anygoal in my life. Maybe in my
twenties, I'd yeah.

Roland (19:54):
When you're young and you want to make your life's
focus attracting the oppositesex, but now it's

not about It was easier then too. I can go to the
gym frequently. I had lessstress in life. Was like,
alright. Yeah.
I I wanna get laid. Twenties isI wanna get laid phase. That's
great. That's a great phase. Butduring life, it wasn't there was
there was never a focus of, thisis my mission as a looksmaxx.
Mhmm. I was trying toknowledgemaxx. So I think that
your your thought there onhitting 40, I think I would be

(20:23):
extremely depressed at 40 if Ihadn't done research. I hadn't
achieved things. Like, it'seasier to learn things in your
younger years.
Twenties to to 35, you should betrying to learn a language,
learn multiple skills. You haveto by the time you hit 40,
you've had to done some shadowwork, some spiritual something.

(20:45):
Some self worth. Hit 40 and andyou are not in touch with your
inner self. I hate to say you'refucked up.

Roland (20:52):
Well, and that might be a really good practical
explanation as to what happensto people because my worry with
these young kids and thesebehaviors that are being
promoted and being emulated,they're not developing any
internal sense of self otherthan an external projection of

the illusion. It's very selfish, very
egotistical. Correct. That'svery crash and burn mentality.
And it's about They're gonnahave their own rude awakening at
some point, and it'll probablybe in their fucking twenties.
Yeah.

Roland (21:18):
But the worry there is what if they don't recover from
those things and you have anentire generation of people who
have been extremely selfish,narcissistic, and self absorbed,
never thought about the benefitsof how they can provide

We're gonna have to live with these people.

Roland (21:34):
They're gonna be the generation that is eventually in
charge at some point. That isscary. It's a scary thought for
human.

Elon, on the rocket ship, is there room?

Roland (21:43):
Two two, please. Well, my wife. So three. Like,

that's actually a really scary thought.

Roland (21:48):
It is, though. Yeah. And and I think these things.

In a sea of narcissists that are just trying
to fuck everyone around them.Yes.

Roland (21:55):
That's that's pretty a thought exercise, I ask myself,
what does that world look like?And then if I go above the third
dimensional reality, I say, isthis all constructed for the
benefit of humanity to have amassive rude awakening back to
the concept of blowing things upto start it over. But as of
right now, looking at the stateof the world in 2026, I don't

(22:18):
have a lot of confidence basedupon the fact that young men
right now are more interested insmashing the cheekbones on their
face to allow for someangularity and square their
like, cut their jaws to extendthem out and square them.

Male surgeries for looking or looks are
massively on the rise.

Roland (22:40):
It used

to be, you know, it was just women doing breasts
more or less and maybe somefillers.

Roland (22:44):
And women used to get all the bad wraps for but you're
right. There's You see it more

and more now, these guys with these really
weird shaped faces, and they'rein fake pecs, fake abs, fake
biceps.

Roland (22:54):
Where I live in South Georgia, there's an aesthetic
medicine place across the streetfrom my favorite restaurant.
Yeah. And you see a bunch of, Icall it, old white hairs.
They're going in and they'regetting you know forehead
injected the dudes. They'regetting their foreheads injected
and it's this quick fix society.
They don't want to accept whatis like we as a society hate

(23:14):
aging. It's a bad scene in termsof how it's related to and
projected upon us.

Well, it's it's weird self importance. So if
your identity is just lookinggood, then you're obviously I'm
not gonna say obviously. It'svery high likelihood. You're not
supplying society with anythingof use.

Roland (23:31):
No value. Your value is your appearance.

So but what value does that have? You're
walking around like a are youart?

Roland (23:38):
It's only

value self. It's value to

Roland (23:41):
It's it's but it's value to self. It's narcissism. Yeah.
Because you're trying to getsomething from the way that you
look.

Plumber can fix your plumbing. Electrician can
fix your electricity. Mechaniccan fix your car. Distract
people. You Do what?
Self important and have very lowpurpose. Mhmm. Which would make
sense why some of these peopleself opt out early as they have
that rude awakening wherethey're like, fuck. I'm useless.
And their heart never opens.

Roland (24:08):
Yeah. Not to be overly spiritual or or profoundly
spiritual, but if you are if welook at it from a lens of energy
anatomy, right, the the lowerenergy centers, the the root
chakra, the emotion, theemotional centers and whatnot.
Like, if you stay there, younever get to the point where you
realize that you're not the mostimportant thing in the world.
You're just part of anintegrated system. And that's

(24:31):
what's limiting society's growthright now because in the Western
world it's all about how much Ihave.
What I can get from you not whatI can do for you. Oh you built
something good, I'm going tosteal this.

I'm going

Roland (24:44):
to try to put you out of business so I can benefit from
what you've done and I'm gonnastep into the role as the guy or
the girl who's the leader

That doesn't sound like anyone I know.

Roland (24:54):
No not at all. But people do this all the time. I
don't know if you know this.People do this all

Yeah. They're the the yeah. I'll I'll shut up.
I'm gonna get myself in trouble.No.
Society if you're you're eithera contributor or you're a
parasite, and I hate to saythis, but during COVID, I
started to understand why theelites wanted to kill everyone.
And when I'm in traffic, itregurgitates. I'm stuck in

(25:23):
traffic, and it's just a bunchof people who should know how to
drive better. Getting inaccidents, you're either a
parasite or you're acontributor. And the world has
an ever growing parasitic

Roland (25:34):
Problem. Yeah.

Problem, and it's people.

Roland (25:36):
The microbiome of the planet has a parasite infection.

Yeah. And so people if you're listening, I'm
not trying to be dark, but I I Iput I I spent a lot of time soul
searching and thinking why wouldsomeone or a group of people do
this during the pandemic? And itstarted to make sense. And the
more we have conversations aboutit, I'm just like, these guys
really think everyone'sparasitic. But at the end of the
day, there are a lot ofparasitic people out there.

(25:59):
They do not contribute anything,and they take a lot of energy.
It's pretty dark to consider itthat way. And then, you know,
during the pandemic, you alsosaw a kill off of what?

Roland (26:13):
People who lacked critical thinking.

No. No. I'm actually, that that those were
the people telling you to go outand do a bunch of shit you
shouldn't do. No. We we we hadelderly.
Oh, yes. The elderly were thefirst to go, and it's in New
York, the, governor thereliterally started sticking COVID
patients into old folks' homes.It's like, where the fuck would
you oh, wait. These are peoplewho are no longer contributing

(26:37):
to society but are are gettingSocial Security. They're getting
benefits.
They're parasitic financiallyparasitic to the establishment.
But you saw that across theworld. You saw a kill off of
people who were unhealthy orold. Mhmm. These people are
parasitic in nature becausethey're no longer contributing
the finances, but they're takingfrom the government finances.

(26:57):
So and what does our governmentshave the biggest problems with
right

Roland (27:00):
now? Finances.

Yeah. We're we're spending more than we,
bring in.

Roland (27:05):
Our consumer debt to GDP ratio just reached what it was
during World War two yesterday.

It's fishery. Country too. I don't well, maybe
not. There might be a

Roland (27:13):
couple that are doing okay. So insolvent. But yeah.

But pretty much everyone has continually spent
more than they're bringing in. Alot of it has to do with the
corruption. And, you know, Elontried to come in with Doge and
shut up this all down, and hegot into a bunch of trouble
because I think he was gettinginto some politics with the
piggy banks. But it's you havethese bag of of bolts that cost
$60,000 on the paper, and it'slike, it's $200 worth of bolts.

(27:37):
Why does this cost $60,000?
Oh, these are very specialbolts. I'm sure they're con
those bolt bags of bolts arecontributing to someone's
financial retirement plan very,very nicely. So there's no way
to

Roland (27:47):
talk about a politician. They're more than just bags of
bolts. Oh, you're talking aboutlegitimate bolts.

So Well, no. They are actually nuts.

Roland (27:53):
I'm joking.

They're they're bolts that identify as nuts. But
I I love the the Nick Schirleystuff going on right now where,
you know, he went to Minnesotaand exposed all these Somali
daycare centers that had no kidsin them. Now they're going into
California finding hospice.There's a bunch of hospice
medical fraud. So

Roland (28:14):
Oh, that's the next wave?

That well, they're do the daycare and
hospice. So I need a second. Youcan start a business in America
and say that you're doingsomething in Medicaid, daycare
and hospice, and just get freemoney. And they're wondering why
we have a bad budget. It's like,well, stop the fraud.
Don't you know, we don't neednew taxes. We need the spending
to come back to some sort ofnorm.

Roland (28:38):
You know? It's it it really is a terrible scenario
because at its core, patterns,you love pattern recognition,
right? So everything that we'vespoken about today is a symptom
of narcissistic self obsession,greed where you are placing
yourself above anyone oranything else in terms terms of

(29:00):
being the beneficiary in asituation. Mine

mine mine me me me I

Roland (29:05):
I I Yeah. And I see as it it let's say this way of
operating politically startedsixties or the seventies. Right?
Let's say after Nixon took usoff the gold backing system that
the Fed had free game tomanipulate currencies and
markets and various things, youcreate a bunch of a mafia like

(29:28):
entities that have Politics?

Yes. They have

Roland (29:31):
the ability to push things in the favor of the way
they want it to go. That cultureon a micro level is present in
the Luxmaxxer. Yeah. Or ispresent in the person who is
just wanting to be pretty to beseen somewhere assuming that
they increase value because

Those who can't be pretty try to get rich. And
those who can't get rich steal.

Roland (29:54):
That is a very very sound thing. Yeah. But it is a
truly a symptom of a sicksociety. And we're seeing mental
illness in this context notbeing stable, emotional wellness
not being stable because I don'tcare who you are. If you think
that your value will go up inthe world by smashing your face
with a hammer, to me, that'semotionally and mentally unwell.

I gotta say, though, I it's more altruistic
than stealing someone else'sshit. I would say it's self
harm.

Roland (30:25):
I would say it's less malignant. Yeah. Wouldn't call
it altruistic.

I would say it's self You're you're right. That's
a that's a much betterterminology for it.

Roland (30:33):
But the the act of it in and of itself is an illusion of
what you are and who you are inthe same way that someone who's
a grifter is pretending to be analtruistic authority.

Oh, it seems like most grifters actually try
to pretend that they'realtruistic. I'm a guru

Roland (30:48):
and And they get found out. Special. Everyone gets
found out in the end. But mywhole thought process of where
this is is it's not a good signbecause we also see the mental
and the emotional dysregulationbeing part and parcel with look
how sick people are these days.You see young people in their
thirties and twenties developingchronic conditions.

Mhmm.

Roland (31:11):
And spiritual wellness, I don't I don't know what that
is.

Spiritual wellness would be a great thing
for people to learn. I feel likewe're we're back with the
grifting though because mostmodern religion is a scam. It's
it's let me take your shit. Andeven in the new thought

Roland (31:27):
spiritual era, it's also a bunch of people who go, oh,
look. These people are easilydupe able. Yeah. They're lost.
They're looking for something

The good book says you need to follow this
rule. Where is it in there? Ittrust me. Source. Trust me, bro.
The fact

Roland (31:40):
that there are hundreds of different iterations of
Christian bibles alone makes mego, well, I can't believe any of
this is the word.

Well, spirituality ity shouldn't be
monetized. I mean, that's theproblem.

Roland (31:51):
Monetized, and it should not be controlled in its ability
to tell you what you can andcan't think

Mhmm.

Roland (31:57):
Can and can't do. Or else if you do this, you're
going here. If you do that,you're going there.

Yeah. You need you need a a philosophy of
spirituality and a learningexperience. You're doing no
harm. But we moved I mean, theVatican is I think they are the
richest.

Roland (32:12):
They're the richest endowment. Yeah. Yeah. Any
institution in the planet.

How how where where are they helping people
with that those riches ifthey're ultra spiritual?

Roland (32:21):
I think it's the growing poverty that exists in second
and third world countries thatare potentially mostly Catholic.
I don't know.

It's just it's it's just baffling that the
contradictions to I mean, Ithink spirituality even modern
religion has you know, it does alot for certain people. But in
the end, how many wars have beenfought in the

Roland (32:40):
names I'm fuck. We're in one right now. Mhmm. Over in the
name of, yeah, differencesbetween

Jews and the Muslims fighting it out, and
they've got the Christiansinvolved on one side to fight
fight part of that war and

Roland (32:53):
Who've been told they have to do something based upon
their religious belief systemsin terms of getting into heaven.
Right?

We really are in a holy war right now.

Roland (33:01):
Yeah. It's crazy. But this might be a really fun
thought exercise for you and Ibecause I don't think we've ever
done something like this wherewe take a concept and go deep.
When you say spirituality,right, because we use words in
conversation. Semantics is thedescription of that.

Yeah.

Roland (33:14):
Yeah. Very seldomly do I say to you, Michael, use this
word. By this word, how do youdefine it so I understand what
you mean so that therefore I cantell you that I also have a
similar if not same definitionof said things. So when you say
spirituality, everyone who'slistening to this is gonna think
what they think spirituality is.How That's true.

(33:36):
Do you define that?

Well, it's funny because it's like a an
automation

Roland (33:41):
Yes.

In AI where it's running through all these
different things, but it's justa button. It's just one button.
So, like, God and spiritualityis the so I love this visual,
and this is the best visual thatpeople can kinda follow around
this. But when you zoom out intospace, you see planet Earth. And
it's not like the the blue like,you go far out.

(34:01):
It's just a ball of energy. Oneball of energy. We're
singularity. And then you zoomin and it start it starts to get
clear. But then once you passsociety and pass the dirt,
you're back down to little ballsof energy or atoms.
Mhmm. So for me, we are all one.We are all Mhmm. These atoms on
a certain level, societal level.It you know, we are one frame of

(34:25):
the zoom.
There's multiple layers going inand out. So we go out, we're
probably a multidimensional orinterstellar or whatever you
wanna call it. Mhmm. We're allone. God is something that was
created for the general populaceto have an idea of things they
don't understand.
And we we really don'tunderstand atomic, subatomic,

(34:46):
nano. We we do scientists do,but general population does. And
we don't understandmultidimensional beings,
existences, alternate timelines,all these different things. We
can't based upon experience. Butwe have we have a theoretical
understanding or vision.
This is why I like that thatzoom in perspective. Everyone
has a different perspectivebased off their knowledge base.

(35:06):
Obviously, someone who's been inscience can understand more of
these knowledge bases. God isthe summary. You know, most
spirituality is a summary of ofguideline.
And I I like I like a lot of thereligion because they do give
guidelines and and philosophy,how not to be a cunt, basically,
color it up. I mean, that'sBuddhism. Don't don't be a cunt

(35:28):
in a in a nutshell. Be a kindperson. Don't be an asshole.
Yes. I mean, you know

Roland (35:32):
And that's one area I agree with you that the
fundamental tenants of thevalues in most religions and
spiritual practices ideallyencourage you to be a
fundamentally good person atyour core.

Yeah. But then they throw the the finances in
it and the control mechanisms.And and I get it. Back in the
day, you probably didn't youcontrol mechanisms were probably
more necessary because youdidn't want people going out and
murdering everyone. There wasn'tpolice state as much.
You know? You needed someguardrails. You needed some
guardrails so people would beafraid. Like, I murdered my
neighbor. I'm going to hell.
Holy fuck. I don't know whathell is, but it sounds really

(36:07):
bad. So you it's it's kinda likea a massive psyop to just keep
people from acting out ofcontrol. I don't know when the
finances became overly involved,probably around the holy wars
where they started going out andkilling people and taking all
their shit. But for me, to sumsummarize spirituality are just
the the understanding of aninterconnectedness that we are

(36:29):
all unified as one here andpossibly with more in the
universe than we even reallyunderstand on a very large or
very minor scale because it goesboth ways.

Roland (36:39):
Mhmm. Yeah. I like that. And and and I agree with the
premise of a few things you saidthat very specifically to where
if you're having a humanexperience, which we are right
now, we're consciousness havinga human experience when you've
condensed yourself down intomatter, which is a fact of being

(37:01):
here and having this experience.Yes, this appears to be solid.
Yes. You can only understandwhat you can intellectually
grasp or you can experiencethrough whatever ways that you
have developed yourself. And formost people, they think that the

(37:21):
framework of how religionpresents things, you born into
this world, you die, you go toheaven, you go to hell. It's
simple. There's not much graspambiguity there if you don't
allow yourself to open up thePandora's box of asking
questions to the unknown.
I have had a multitude of my ownsubjective experiences that make
me truly understand that this isnot all that I am. That's not

(37:44):
all that you are. And yourealize that, yes, what you said
is we're all part of aninterconnected web. We are all
one, but that doesn't mean thatI am you experientially, but we
are part of fabric that connectseverything together and that
fabric as you said goes down andbecomes very very minuscule to
the point where there's nomatter left. Then it goes

(38:06):
inversely the opposite way towhere it becomes more and more
dense and then it becomes largerand larger and larger to the
point where there actually isn'tanything that constitutes it.
To me that's God. God is sourceenergy. God is creator but God
gets and I believe the term iswhere we we ascribe physical

(38:27):
character traits, humancharacter traits to a god like
figure. And it's like, oh, ifeveryone says, well, he does
this. He does that.
And I go, well, I'm not gonna bethe person says, god is woman.
No. No. It it's beyond that.It's beyond all that.

God truly is genderless. It can't have a
gender. It's the female. It'salpha. It's omega.

Roland (38:46):
If it's the creator of

all ages. Inverse. Yeah.

Roland (38:49):
And and and that's where I think people get really thrown
off in in their world of

it's hard to understand that because they
can't visualize. It's easier todo the god with the beard of the
cloud knocking down judgmentaland the

Roland (39:01):
the scary guy. And it's there's varying layers of
complexities in terms of, youknow, condensed things of
matter. There's probably thingsthat are beyond that within this
dimension alone that we can'tperceive. There are other
dimensionalities, but they'rejust little facets of the jewels
of existence that we are such asmall part of for bone smashing

(39:24):
our face thinking that's allthat we are. It's a sad state of
existence.
But why I'm saying all this isthat's a hard thing for the
average person to live in. Theygo, well, what do I believe in?
Who gives me my guidelines? Whotells me how I should or
shouldn't be? Who determinesanything?
Where do I go after this? Youdon't know. You just have to be
present and be here and to me wespirit having a human

(39:48):
experience. So when you'respiritual it's in the name. Like
you are Spirit you all.
Exactly. Or have you ever brokenapart the word incarnation?

No.

Roland (39:58):
It's into the meat. Carne is meat. Right? In the
Latin root. So like it's allthere as an obvious We are

being meat popsicles.

Roland (40:07):
Meat puppets. Not in a weird harvesting way. But why I
think this stuff is fun todiscuss is no one's ever gonna
know all the answers. Onlyperson who can tell you all the
answers that you can selfgenerate in life is you when you
go inside and start to examinethe inner world which really I
believe comprises the outerworld that we experience. But if

(40:28):
we don't have theseconversations and maybe give
people the catalyst to freethemselves from institutional
thinking, from oppressivethinking, from controlled
thought, you realize that youcame here to experience a
spiritual experience in aphysical form and there is
definitely a connection to allof this stuff because the

(40:50):
atmosphere being exactly 21 to22% oxygen is not here by
accident.
Yeah. The ability for the sun tocreate the exact light energy
that allows photosynthesis in aplant to grow Mhmm. Is not by
accident. All those things arethe manifestation of love of the
creator God showing us thatwe're here to enjoy ourselves
and learn stuff and have fun.

But what if that that is just pure chaos that
organized

Roland (41:14):
It's all it's all random chance. There's no planning
involved there. But theseconversations I think are
essential for people to thinkabout because if you weren't
important, didn't matter and youweren't loved, you wouldn't be
here.

It's true.

Roland (41:28):
At least that's how I see it. Maybe I'm wrong, but

Well, I mean, back again to the people, self
opting out. Mhmm. It's becausethey don't feel love because
they're they're They've

Roland (41:37):
their connection.

Yeah. Exactly. So they're self opting out in
one way or another because thatyou kinda hit it there on the
the head. Yeah. This is funnyfunny thing in being the
wellness space with the EEsystem for so long is the people
I've seen have the most radicalhealth turnarounds are ones who
have a family.
So the mother with breastcancer, she really wants to be

(42:01):
here for her kids. Yep. And it'sa she has a reason to be here.
She's here. The worst ones arethe ones that really have no
reason to be here.
That is like, yeah, you can doall the things, but that
person's probably not gonna comeback because they've already
left. Mhmm. They're gonealready. They have no anchor to
this existence. No love, asyou're saying.

(42:22):
Mhmm. No passion. It's I've beenhere. I experienced it and I'm
exiting the ride.

Roland (42:28):
And to bring this full circle, my fear for humanity
right now is we're teaching abunch of young people no self
love skills. We're not activelybut society is teaching them
based upon where they'reconsuming their content, where
they're being influenced andwhat they're being influenced
by. That the only way to be ofvalue here is to self indulge

(42:52):
and become uber narcissistic soyou can stand out from the rest
at the expense of everyone elselosing and you winning. There's
no bringing them together,teaching them about self
cultivation, about self growth,about understanding that going
through challenges are thethings that actually help you
grow in life, and developingthat inner love and that inner
resolve is really what creates ameaningful existence.

That's very, very good statement. I think we
should wrap there because thatwas profound. I don't

Roland (43:21):
think I'm gonna say anything better than that.

Alright. Well, thanks, Roland. Thank you
everyone. Like, comment,subscribe, and we'll see you for
the next conversation on we'llsee.

Roland (43:31):
Thoughts and musings.

Thoughts and musings with Roland and Michael.
See

Roland (43:36):
you.

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