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Michael Scalar (00:00):
We're a long
series of addictions in life.
(00:02):
You're addicted to getting inshape because you want to look
good naked so that you canprocreate or just have fun.
Everything in your life is thatyou're addicted to driving a
nice car because it goes fasterand makes a good sound.
Everything kind of gets tuneddown to an addiction to a
certain point. You're addictedto take care of your son because
that brings you happinessknowing that you can alleviate
some of his pain or just spendtime with him.
(00:22):
Addiction's a funny word.Welcome back to part two of the
Sean Murphy interview. It ran onso long. We're we're we're doing
two episodes with this one. Sopart two.
Go.
Octavius Real (00:35):
There was two
things going on with the
congressional testimony. Coupleyears ago, the entrepreneur
sparked me. We we my brother andsome business partners, we won a
large power contract for Bitcoinmining in Wyoming. Mhmm. So we
we developed this project.
(00:55):
We end up having theseinvestors, our our domestic
investors, dropped at the lastminute. So we had to take on
investors that said this is whatthey represented, that they were
all from Singapore and Asia.
Michael Scalar (01:08):
And this was
Bitmain?
Octavius Real (01:09):
Well, this wasn't
Bitmain.
Michael Scalar (01:11):
Oh, This
Octavius Real (01:11):
was people that
ended up working with Bitmain.
Michael Scalar (01:14):
Gotcha. Bitmain
sharks.
Octavius Real (01:17):
Yeah. And and you
can appreciate where I'm going
with this, but theymisrepresented who they were and
what they were up to. Mhmm.Right? Like, the term the easy
term to use is they were badactors in that way.
Right? They were not honestabout who they were and what
their intentions were, and weend up in bed with them, for
lack of a better term, asinvestors. We were contracted to
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operate and be the Bitcoinoperational side, and they were
the financial side. Well, theyend up right before we start
mining. You know, we build this35 megawatt facility, you know,
right there out of Cheyenne.
They, you know, they give us anew contract. They're like, new
deal, completely minimizing ourrole, knocking out, you know,
(02:02):
$10,000,000 worth of revenue ofthe lifetime of the project.
Project. And we're like, wait.New deal?
We're like, no new deal. No newdeal. And we sued them. And then
they countersued us for a$100,000,000. And at that moment
at that moment, you know yeah.
I mean and I think you have someunderstanding of what litigation
is like, but it was full onlawsuit.
Michael Scalar (02:23):
I'm I'm in one
too, and he claims a
$100,000,000. And these numbersare just too synergistic.
Octavius Real (02:27):
It's too
synergistic. It's a very
Michael Scalar (02:28):
round number.
More more bad actors.
Octavius Real (02:30):
But these guys
were were incredibly well
mobilized. They were not fromSingapore. They were all Chinese
nationals. And as we ended uplearning more about them, you
know, they were they had verystrong connections to the CCP
Okay. To the to the governmentin China.
And then Bitmain was involvedbecause when they when we were
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gone, then they brought inBitmain as their client to fill
the whole mine with Bitmain'sBitmain owned miners. Right. So
and and this I saw coming beforethe before they did the old
contract across the table in theweeks before that, you know, 17
semi trucks with brand new antminers showed up on a dime.
(03:14):
Right? You know?
Like, this whole group doesn'tthey act like they don't really
know what they're doing.
Michael Scalar (03:17):
Power right now.
Octavius Real (03:18):
It was China
power. Like, you know, this is
Cheyenne, Wyoming. Right? Yeah.You know?
It's not like a booming urbanindustrial zone, but all these
Bitmain miners showed up, andyou we realized, woah. Woah.
That was when I was like, okay.We're gonna document everything
now. And we ended up adding themto the lawsuit because we saw
that how their contract wasworking, and they were you know,
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there was a lot going on.
But what ended up happening isthere was 16 lawyers across six
law firms. Like, it was full on.They they threw everything at
us. They first tried what wascalled jurisdiction to remove us
from federal court, and thewhole ploy ended up being around
getting away with the moneybecause in the middle of the
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litigation, there ends up beinga presidential divestment. Well,
they they were right next to thenuclear base.
So we worked information kind
Michael Scalar (04:09):
CCP set up
something next to a nuclear
base? Right. Oh, that's clever.
Octavius Real (04:14):
Right. Right. So
our our government, a group
called CFIUS with the treasurydepartment, they did an
investigation, and they end upsaying, hey. You know, this this
is a divestment. So thepresident divested them.
They get booted from the site,and they ended up selling the
the site to CleanSpark.CleanSpark's a US one of the
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large US based Bitcoin miners.Okay. And CleanSpark pays them
for the site, so there's all ofthis money suddenly. Suddenly.
And we realized, hey. They'regonna they're gonna gather it.
They're gonna get away with themoney. And if it goes to China,
it's over. It's gone.
Lawsuit's done. So we ended updoing this pretty landmark. It
wasn't pretty landmark. It was alandmark maneuver called
prejudgment writs of attachmentattachment and garnishment where
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the sales money ended up beingheld with the federal court in
Wyoming. And then that allowedus once the kinda say that it
kinda the court put it up herein the penalty box.
You know?
Michael Scalar (05:11):
Wanna do like a
Octavius Real (05:12):
Open cage.
Michael Scalar (05:12):
China or take
that CCP.
Octavius Real (05:14):
Yeah. It was
like, well, maybe not as much
take that. It was like, we'regonna take the money and put it
up here in the cage Yeah. Andthen see how this plays out. And
that allowed at least enoughleverage to work resolving all
claims.
So we ended up splitting that.Not exactly equal, but that was
what ended all of that. But theywere gonna get away with the
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money. Like, their wholeintention was how do we crush
these guys in litigation, throwevery legal issue at them, and,
you know, lawfare is
Michael Scalar (05:46):
the term.
Lawfare.
Octavius Real (05:47):
Lawfare. And
Michael Scalar (05:48):
Try break the
little guy with a overwhelming
force of attorney.
Octavius Real (05:51):
Right. And we had
to resist that. And through some
very good work while my dad wasour attorney, my my brother did
a ton of work. I did a ton ofwork on this, and it ended up
being as good of an outcome aswe could have hoped for.
Michael Scalar (06:05):
That's good.
Octavius Real (06:06):
Yeah. So it was
good, but
Michael Scalar (06:07):
it it So does
this tie in to how you you
presented at congress?
Octavius Real (06:09):
This ties in
because that that was one of the
main topics was talking aboutthat issue.
Michael Scalar (06:14):
Oh, the
intellectual property theft and
stuff like that?
Octavius Real (06:17):
Yeah. And and the
CCP's involvement. But a lot of
them, I think they wanna know,like, how did we do this? How
did we stand up to the CCP? Howdid we Mhmm.
Deal with this kind of onslaughtlegally more or less from them?
And that was where, you know, inthe testimony I talk about is
I'm a palliative father. Like, II've seen worse things. Like, it
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was terrible. The the litigationwas brutal against the Chinese.
Michael Scalar (06:42):
It's just time,
energy, and money really versus
you're watching your kidliterally going through fits
that
Octavius Real (06:47):
are Right.
Michael Scalar (06:48):
Hard to pallet.
Octavius Real (06:49):
Exactly. And and
I wanted congress to understand
this because there's been a lotof hospice fraud going on in
California. California, and I
Michael Scalar (06:56):
and watching
that as wild.
Octavius Real (06:58):
We're watching
that go down, fraud go down real
time. But I see energeticmedicine as this is the
frontier. So a lot of thosethings, when people see this new
industry, they rush in. And thatwas something I wanted to talk
about where the IP, the thedevelopment that's happening in
energetic medicine, thecompanies, you know you know,
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like with EE system. Mhmm.
Like like, you know this. The IPis valuable, and that brings in
bad actors. People wanna prey onthat. It's a predatory mindset,
and it's not uncommon that whenyou see these things happen,
especially in health care, thatthe predators show up. The bad
actors show up.
Michael Scalar (07:38):
And I've I've
seen a whole lot of that the the
this last couple of years here.
Octavius Real (07:42):
Like, you see it.
Trying to come
Michael Scalar (07:44):
in and literally
just dismantle us and take
everything. You're living it.Yeah. Yeah. You're living it.
And We're winning, but it's itsucks.
Octavius Real (07:54):
Oh, it's it's
brutal to to see something. And,
like, your mom, I've known herfor years. Yeah. So, like, in
your situation, when somebodycomes in and starts peddling
something as if it's theirs, andI know the history. I knew when
your mom was selling these in2011.
Michael Scalar (08:12):
Yeah. And Danny
has known her since before there
was a technology back into the
Octavius Real (08:17):
Into the
nineties.
Michael Scalar (08:18):
Yeah. Almost
eighties, I think, even.
Octavius Real (08:19):
In the eighties.
Michael Scalar (08:20):
Yeah. They've
they've been they've been at
this a while.
Octavius Real (08:22):
They've been at
it a while. And so when when
somebody new comes in and we'llwe'll just call it a bad actor
in a in a situation like this.And and I know enough about your
case to say one comment aboutit. And, like, I'm following
this guy's telegram. Right?
Who's calling this guy the badactor in your situation?
Michael Scalar (08:42):
Call him
Voldemort,
Octavius Real (08:43):
bad actor. He
he's no Voldemort. Yeah. So
Alright. Go ahead.
You gotta be a wizard to beVoldemort. Oh. Yeah. Dang. Yeah.
But right? Right? You gotta be awizard. You know, we need a
little more wizardry here. ButI'm following his telegram to
just kinda see what he's up to.
And he's posting he has a littledog named Halo. And, you know,
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he'll say that this his hissystem that is ripped off from
your system.
Michael Scalar (09:11):
I forgot the
Timu version.
Octavius Real (09:13):
Yeah. I mean,
it's it's literally like your
system, but with a Chinese itlooks like it's it's it's from
China. Right?
Michael Scalar (09:19):
Like There it's
lit I bought one of his things
from the supplier in on Alibaba.
Octavius Real (09:24):
On Alibaba?
Michael Scalar (09:24):
Try to say, oh,
no. It's a different one, but
they sent me video from hisliving room. Oh, we got this guy
in Miami who's purchased 50 ofthese. He's like, oh, it's not.
I'm like, I I have the evidence.
The invoice literally shows apicture. There's a like, from
China. The sample cost me 2,500or something after shipping. I
think it's on the right. It'savailable on Alibaba for $1,200.
And that was They're char he'scharging 13.
Octavius Real (09:46):
And that and that
was part of the congressional
issue was a lot of the theChinese game is stealing IP.
Yeah. So they'll come in.They'll have, like, the work
relationships with professors.IP transfer was a big issue.
So to hear that the ChineseAlibaba element is a part of
what you have going on, like, itit just checks checks right down
the road. Okay. So I'm lookingat this telegram, and he's
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posting about the dog namedHalo. And it's like, you know,
oh, halo this and halo that, andit's like this big emotional
thing for his dog. And I don'tknow the word yet.
I haven't come up with the rightword to to try to explain the
feeling that it creates in in meas a parent that has, a sick
child. But, like, it's notoffensive. It's something like
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that. But it's like, what areyou doing, man? Like, what are
you you're repping your littledog to people?
Like, have a I have a dyingchild. Like, who what are you
who are you?
Michael Scalar (10:41):
Why is your dog
always sick?
Octavius Real (10:42):
Yeah. Why is your
dog
Michael Scalar (10:43):
That's because
it's sitting next to the wrong
Octavius Real (10:44):
technology. So,
you know, people that do that
kind of stuff, I think a lot Ithink people who understand that
when there's predatory behavioror fraud or rip off artists or
scammers, you know, like, thisis that kind of behavior. Right?
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They have to back it withsomething. But when you're a
palliative parent, you see stufflike that.
And I'm not gonna say it's ajoke because god bless that
little dog. I hope the littledog's fine.
Michael Scalar (11:15):
And We're
Octavius Real (11:15):
definitely
rooting for the dog.
Michael Scalar (11:16):
Maybe not the
bad actor.
Octavius Real (11:17):
We're yeah. We're
not yeah. We're rooting for the
dog. You know? I want I don'twant any pet issues here or
whatever.
No. Don't want any I'm hopingfor the dog. But Yeah. When you
see that and you have a childlike Atlas, you know, other
parents know this. Like, it'snot a joking matter, but it's a
joke.
Yeah. Yeah. So once I saw that,I was like, okay. You know, now
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now I see the game, see whatyou're up to. And I I asked a
few comments on his telegram.
I was like, okay. So you'rerunning this this thousand year
old organization? Because Iwatched some of his videos, and
he's running a thousand yearorganization.
Michael Scalar (11:58):
Four he told me
4,000 year old with 8,000
members.
Octavius Real (12:02):
Let's give him
Michael Scalar (12:02):
He's the only
person that anyone has ever
heard of this from.
Octavius Real (12:05):
Let's say it's
900 years old like the order of
Malta, something that I'm in.Okay? Let's give him that
credit, and let's just say it's900 years old. But I asked him.
I was like, so you're runningthis very old organization, and
you're the official spokesperson.
You know? What's going on withthat? I mean, I'm blocked from
comments immediately. So I'mbeing I'm sorry.
Michael Scalar (12:22):
Everyone on our
side has been blocked because
they'll go out and ask aquestion or make a statement,
and it's just straight blocked.
Octavius Real (12:27):
It's just
blocked. So that I mean, that's
all
Michael Scalar (12:29):
I'm amazing he
has a telegram still because
it's block.
Octavius Real (12:33):
It's a lot of
blocks, and, you know, it's I
think it's just the term I thinkis just you get bad actors. And
at the same time, well, I'm itsucks, right, what you're going
through and the difficulty of itand the litigation and the cost.
But at the same time, there is avalidating element that people
rush into these kind of thingswhen there's legitimacy. You
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know, that's where the world oran industry is going and there's
opportunity. Like, you don't seescammers necessarily in dying,
forgetting terrible, stupidindustries.
Michael Scalar (13:06):
Right? I mean,
you know, scammers don't go scam
other people's IP unless
Octavius Real (13:13):
There's value
there.
Michael Scalar (13:14):
Yeah. Yeah. It's
gotta have some value, and
that's the kind of the joke too.You know, in in the wellness
industry, it's it's in our someof the multiple people told me
this. You're in an industrythat's 95% snake oil, and you
guys are one of the few OGs whoactually did the work, validated
it.
We've got the research. We'vegot, you know, a long history.
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Because I see people come and goall the time in this industry,
and they'll they'll copy ourresearch. There's many people
who've done this, copied ourresearch, cop copied our sales
pitch, and sell a Scalar XYZ.And they have no research,
obviously, because they'rethey're copy pasting my website,
my material.
I had someone at a conferencecome up trying to sell me a
Scalar laser pen. And it was alaser pen that said Scalar on
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it. Yeah. So it was a Scalarlaser pen, and then handed me my
own research material. You'relike, oh.
So you gotta get into the Scalarpen, and they hand me my I'm
just looking. I'm like I didn'teven know what to say. I was
like
Octavius Real (14:05):
You told me it
was good research.
Michael Scalar (14:08):
Yeah. She's
like, do say? It's like, thank
you for handing me my ownresearch. But it's this industry
has it. People come and go.
Octavius Real (14:17):
How many how many
companies would you say? Because
you you ecosystem's been around.Like, how many are stalwarts or
kind of long standing
Michael Scalar (14:26):
It's a it's a
mix because you'll see people
come and go in a matter of ayear or two in these
conferences. You look them up,they're gone. Or they'll have
legal issues or financial issuesand shut down. It's it's so
common. There there's a handfulof brands out there that have
been around, and even they havecontroversy.
And there's big brands rightnow. I I'm not gonna name them
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and try and get them in trouble,but you go look at the research,
it's completely fabric ated. Itdoesn't if if you read it, like,
it's like, oh, this looks likeimpressive research. But if you
go through it, it's not aboutthe technology. It's not about
the methodology or or anythingthat they're saying there.
It's just meant a baffle withbullshit white paper. And you're
just like I've had peoplearguing, oh, no. They're huge.
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They have all these papers. I'mlike, I want you to go
thoroughly read exactly whatthey're saying there.
It's Bubkis. And then they comeback to me like, oh my god. And
I found videos on YouTubeexplaining that they're frauds.
I'm like, yeah. I told you.
All I had to do is one look attheir white papers. It's like,
this is Fugazi. So And they'remaking millions selling Fugazi.
Yeah.
Octavius Real (15:27):
It's such a
Michael Scalar (15:28):
It's like, come
on, people. Read the white
papers. Read the research. Makesure people are vetted. There's
a whole you know, ask chat GPTor every AI.
Like, normally, it'll be able tofind the references for you. You
don't even have to do theresearch anymore these days.
Octavius Real (15:42):
Mhmm. What what
do you think there's a a need
for more research, or do youthink with, like, EE system that
the the the research you've donethe research at Checkpoint?
Michael Scalar (15:52):
Because we had
someone at a major hospital.
They run a major hospital. Youguys don't need any more
research. You just need to getmore people on these things. And
then, you know, the generalsociety is always like, well, do
you have your double blind peerreviewed blah blah blah?
We have a peer reviewed. We'reactually I talked to the guy
who's doing it. We're in processof a peer reviewed with a
placebo control group study, andthat's I'm hoping that'll be
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done in three to five months.You know? It always takes longer
than you want it to, but sowe're we're gonna tick that box
for those who are, well, do youhave that?
But at the end of the day, youknow a light bulb works because
it's providing light. Thetechnology works because people
are having results. I can I canshove all the data you want down
your throat all day and say,hey? It works. But if it doesn't
work, then it doesn't work.
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And if it works, it works. Andwe're we've been here for
decades doing exactly what we'redoing now. And we're here still
because it works. And people aretrying to steal it because it
works.
Octavius Real (16:47):
Right. So the
palliative father in me hears
you saying all that. Like, itworks. It works. I always think
of that as the efficacy.
Right?
Michael Scalar (16:54):
Or By
Octavius Real (16:54):
the futility.
Right. Yeah. So, you know,
there's safety and the efficacy.So the other piece, like, Tell
me, how do you guys think aboutsafety or, like, when you look
at your track record and thetime?
Because that's, like, the bigthing as as a you know, in any
health care model. Like, that'sthe first thing. First, do no
harm. Right? The HippocraticOath, do no harm.
So how has have you guys done,like, is there safety testing or
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you're, like, just the timeperiod? You know, are people
that are ripping you off?
Michael Scalar (17:22):
Is there a
safety there was a safety safety
study done, the doctor who didit wanted to publish it. And I
think he he kinda wants thecredibility, and we're working
on getting that done. But it's,you know, EE System as a company
was created in 2003. The worstthing that people have seen
coming to the system is aHerxheimer's or a detox
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reaction.
Octavius Real (17:43):
Mhmm.
Michael Scalar (17:44):
That typically
and this is why we recommend
hydration and salt pass. Yeah.Because if your body has more
energy, it starts dumping stuffout into the bloodstream. And if
it doesn't get out, it You feel
Octavius Real (17:56):
worse. Yeah.
Michael Scalar (17:57):
You you feel you
have a headache. You feel
laggish. Yeah. But that's that'sthat's the worst thing people
report. A detox.
Detox. Detox symptoms. So wethat's our biggest thing. We
tell everyone, like, hydrate.Electro Danny Brinckley, body's
electric.
Get your electrolytes in there.Your trace minerals.
Octavius Real (18:17):
Do your trace
minerals. If there's one thing
we want people to remember, dotake your trace minerals. But
that's the foundation of theelectrical state. Right? Yeah.
You wanna have the fuel for allof those electrical reactions or
all of the
Michael Scalar (18:29):
Well, I I like
to think about it this way. So
your your your body has water init. Right? And so water is
conductive to a certain degree.What's more conductive?
Minerals. This is what powersemiconductors and AI and
Bitcoin Exactly. Is minerals.And if you have the minerals in
your body, it's like the so thewater is now the freeway, and
the minerals are the cars on thefreeway carrying the
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information. They're helping thethe the electricity jump faster
faster.
Mhmm. It's no longer just thewater traveling in the stream.
It's got these hyperconductivepoints that then cause the surge
of energy to go faster, moreeffectively.
Octavius Real (19:01):
Right. But people
forget, and they think just
electrolytes, magnesium,potassium, sodium, you get your
base ones. Right? That's as anelectrical being, you need your
base. Yeah.
But why Damian always goes withtrace minerals, and he doesn't
you know how Damian is. Hedoesn't always give the full
story.
Michael Scalar (19:15):
Let's go.
Octavius Real (19:16):
But a little bit
more of the full story is with
your, you know, synapticconnections in your brain. Your
brain is complex.
Michael Scalar (19:22):
Like, there are
so many We are supercomputers.
Octavius Real (19:25):
Just like a
supercomputer. Yeah. And all
those other little traceminerals, those are helping go
to those, call them long tail,neurosynaptic reactions. Right?
So, like, the trace minerals iskinda like a blanket approach to
be like, this is it it remindsme in the matrix, you know, when
they, like, come in and neo, andthey're like, you know,
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everything the body needs.
Right? Yeah. You know thatscene? I don't know if people
know that scene, but, like, he'sjust been he ends up back on the
ship, and he's, like,recovering. You know, he's in
the real world.
Oh, that's based mineral. It's
Michael Scalar (19:57):
just like a goo.
Octavius Real (19:58):
Exactly. Like,
everything the body needs, but
it's a little bit like that withtrace minerals. Like, this is
giving you the electrical baseto create all of those reactions
in your body. Obviously, you'regonna need water, and you're
gonna need some food over time,but not right away. You don't
have to have food.
Yeah. But if you're puttingwater into that system and trace
minerals, you're gonna have thebase reaction to move. Pair that
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with EE system or somethingthat's optimizing your
electrical coherence. I mean,now you're increasing cellular
voltage Yeah. Millivoltage.
And I think that's what I wantpeople to hopefully take away
from this. And they've probablyheard it from EE System and
probably heard it from peoplelike Daniel. But, you know, as
electrical beings, like, that'swhat we're doing. We wanna
increase that cellularmillivoltage. And you see the
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drugs, like all the stuff thatAtlas is getting.
I'm like, that's not
Michael Scalar (20:47):
It's not
increasing at all.
Octavius Real (20:48):
It's not
increasing its cells. That's a
compound meant to change areaction at this level. But
there's cascading reactions tothat. That's why we see so many
veterans that, they go in forthis issue, and they get this
drug. Well, then that has a sideeffect.
Or as my brother, thechiropractor, says, it's really
just an effect. We call it aside effect, but it's just
really an effect. And it has aneffect, and then they get
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another drug for it. And thenthey end up on a psych med, and
then they have another thing.And now they're like, a bag full
of drugs.
Michael Scalar (21:15):
Yeah.
Octavius Real (21:15):
And I'm like, is
this what what are we doing? You
can't drug people to health likethat. So I hope that people
really think about that. But asa palliative parent, like, it
still gets back to safety andefficacy. And it it sounds like
though and I wanna ask you aboutthis.
I know I'm being interviewed,but I wanna ask you about this.
Shoot. And it always interestsme where the safety piece, like,
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with the EE system, people cando it wrong. Right? Like, EMF
radiation.
Like, these are things thatpeople have to worry about.
Like, the EE system, like, youguys have designed it. It's
built with the idea to to reduceradiation and So it's
Michael Scalar (21:51):
phase conjugate
wave pairing. So we're creating
a cancellation effect. We'reusing what would look like EMF
generators. Yeah. The waythey're precisely aligned
creates a phase conjugate wavepairing.
Or for layman's, it's easier tocall it cancellation effect,
they use that in audio wherespeakers will face each other in
a certain dimension, so that thesound actually hits like a wall
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and cancels and no longerbecomes. They primarily use that
with low frequencies, so thatthe neighbors won't be bothered
as much.
Octavius Real (22:18):
And you know as
like a DJ, you know that kind of
stuff.
Michael Scalar (22:20):
Right? I was a
sound engineer, I speaker I
learned a I under myunderstanding of quantum physics
became extremely more complexand visually understandable when
I started learning music.Because it's all frequency, it's
all energy, it's all vibration.And when you're doing all this,
you learn a lot of littlethings. Magnetism you have
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speakers or magnets, and so youhave electromagnetism similar
with phase conjugate wavepairing.
And so I was plugging inspeakers. I got super into soup
like, high end hi fi loud PA.Yeah. Turbo sound function one.
And I just wanted to knoweverything because I just love
the way music makes me feel.
It's Yeah. The most beautifulthing in the world when you have
a finely tuned large PA. Yeah.And I love DJing DJing. I love
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producing music.
It was just always a passion.And then, you know, in
engineering, actually producingmusic, you start to get more of
a visual looking at thespectrums of different sound,
and how they visually lay out.And so, when you actually can
they call it synesthesia, whereyou can see audio. And so that
gave me more of an understandingof quantum physics, because
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quantum physics and physics,it's all like numbers and no
one's applying it. They'relearning about the theory of it.
But when you can visuallypicture it, it's like a three d
printer in the mind kind ofthing, and you start to
understand where energy ismoving and how it's moving
because of the the frequencyranges, and how they can
collide, they can transform,they can morph, they they
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typically aren't destroyed, theyjust get reshaped. And so
cancellation would be thereshaping.
Octavius Real (23:53):
Right. So that's
like with the cube that I bought
Mhmm. That's at play. Right?That Yeah.
Because you
Michael Scalar (24:00):
have four four
Yeah. The four units that's
precisely aligned. Yeah. Baseconjugate wave pairing. So
you're not getting the collisionof light like you would with a
normal big EE system, but you'regetting so we call it photonic
fountain.
So the light therapy is goingoutward, and that's what we
really do recommend people getin the bigger systems because
the collision of photons isanother effect in it. Mhmm. And
anytime you have somethingcanceling, it transforms or it
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morphs because energy it can'tit doesn't destroy. It can
change. So it's it's fascinatingthat way.
But the cubes are with profoundfeedback from those. At first,
it was kind of like an artproject. We're like, well, sell
a couple and see if, you know,what people think. And then it
evolved. We've now launched moreimproved hardware, so I think
the cubes are twice as strong asthey used to be.
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Hopefully, you have one of thenewer ones. We can double check.
But there's been evolutions inall of our technology. We have
more coming, and yeah. Does sokind of
Octavius Real (24:51):
take that the
other way. If if somebody's
knocking it off or, like, tryingto create a competitive one,
like, can it go the I'm sayingcan it
Michael Scalar (25:00):
go Well, I'd
other say theoretically there
was a guy that was selling LEDpanels with no phase conjugate
weight pairing and possibly afive g gigahertz antenna inside
of it and maybe a computer.Yeah. There's no phase content
Octavius Real (25:11):
That's IP. That's
IP.
Michael Scalar (25:12):
There's no
collision of photons. You're
lacking coherence in LED wallbecause they're they're like the
a high pixelation rate becauseof the way LED wall works. Would
you get benefit? I don't know. Imean, someone perch an
influencer purchased one of oneof these LED walls, we'll call
them, and asked me, did I getripped off only?
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Do you know any effect?
Octavius Real (25:33):
He goes,
Michael Scalar (25:34):
no. I don't I
haven't noticed anything. I'm
like, let me lend you a cube.And he he was flabbergasted at
the difference. He sent me thislong test of, oh my god.
Like, I feel like my pinealgland is opening up. I'm having
all these vivid, like,occurrences, like, epiphanies,
and I was like, cool. Cool.Cool. Yeah.
Much better than the Tebu boy.Yeah.
Octavius Real (25:56):
I mean, we told I
told you my story with Atlas,
like, in terms of let's justtalk observational proof, like,
for me. Another thing that I'venoticed is just with sleep.
Yeah. So we hear you gotta getyour eight hours or try to get
seven and a half. I'd say sinceI had the cube running, it it
took a couple of weeks.
But a couple of weeks in, I waslike, on six hours? I'm waking
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up and I'm like, man, I don't Iwanna go back to sleep. I'm
ready to go. Yeah. And and it'ssubtle at first.
And and sometimes the brain,like, doesn't really understand,
like, wait, what's going orwhat's responsible for this?
Because I I I mean, I have thecube running, but I wasn't
Michael Scalar (26:35):
Life's very
noisy.
Octavius Real (26:36):
It's Yeah. I
wasn't, like, observing, like,
what's going on in life. Andthen but, like, okay. That was
back in December when I got thecube. Now here we are in April,
and it's, like, it's maintaineditself.
So, you know, I'm out here. I'mtraveling. I'm in Las Vegas here
in your studio. Yeah. And, youknow, I'm still waking up, like,
six hours of sleep.
And someone someone would belike, well, you're not getting
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enough sleep. But I'm like, butif you wake up refreshed,
energized, you have energy, youlook good, feel good, I mean,
that's what the body is givingfor feedback.
Michael Scalar (27:06):
So Absolutely.
Octavius Real (27:07):
That's what I've
noticed. I think I attribute it
to is more cellular energy.
Michael Scalar (27:10):
Yeah. No. I
mean, that at the end of the
day, that's an easy way ofpicturing our bodies that have
little batteries, and we needthose charged up so that they
function correctly.
Octavius Real (27:19):
And if not just
input charge, but but input and
output activity creating abalanced
Michael Scalar (27:24):
It's like a
download upload download speed
kind of reference there.
Octavius Real (27:28):
Right. Or the
another another term that I I
think about, and I don't know ifyou guys use this when you
explain it, but, like, withAtlas and the brain and
neuroprotectants is homeostasis.Mhmm. Right? Like, we're looking
for balanced pH, you know,balanced homeostatic response,
like, And and we saw this seethis over the years in hospice
and palliative care.
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Like, if people are balanced andcalm, you know, it's difficult
for it's difficult for there tobe yeah. It's difficult for
inflammation to happen. It'sdifficult for a disease. So that
balanced state is so ideal. Butit it sounds like with these
other products, like, therecould be safety risks.
Right? Like, if you're if youdon't take it that into
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consideration, is it radiationor EMS?
Michael Scalar (28:11):
It's it's very I
wanna be legally sound about
saying something, but it is it'sextremely possible that there
could be issues. I haven't seenany safety studies. It has the
the these LED walls or panelspanels aren't known for
generating healthy effects.There there could be EMFs, there
could be ELFs, there could beradio frequencies like five g or
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2.4 gigahertz. Most of these arenot healthy.
So in theory, it's very possiblethat they are actually creating
the opposite effect of what theuser would intend.
Octavius Real (28:44):
LED walls aside,
do you how do you think of that?
Is like negative frequency?
Michael Scalar (28:49):
I'll tell you
this being in the sound and
lighting DJ community. I don'tgo stand next to all the high
power equipment. Don't, youknow, stand next to an LED wall
or amp rack and you know why?Because there's a whole lot of
energy going on there that's notpositive energy, that's just raw
energy that's not designed tocreate wellness. I'm gonna go
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stand in in the middle of thecancellation dance stack.
Yeah.
Octavius Real (29:16):
Right. More of a
neutral or balanced
Michael Scalar (29:19):
Yeah.
Environment. That beneficial.
Yeah.
Octavius Real (29:22):
Yeah. There's a
lot to be said for that. So I
mean, I think you've kind ofseen now the palliative parent
perspective where it's like,well, we start with safety. Most
people wanna start withefficacy, but when you start
with safety, that that removesanything that's not safe or
questionable. Yeah.
Right? And that was whysomething with EE system, I knew
the track record. You know, I'veknown your mom for fifteen
(29:46):
years. You know, I looked at allof the others, you know, the
centers and all of these placeswhere there were these these,
you know, huge systems and thefeedback and the testimonial and
people like more energy andthese other healings. More
energy is
Michael Scalar (29:57):
not always a a
great metric too. It's quality
of life.
Octavius Real (30:02):
Like it gets to
quality of life. Yeah. It's
easier to have because if havelow energy
Michael Scalar (30:05):
Danny
experienced more energy getting
struck by lightning. That whatthat's a little too much energy.
Octavius Real (30:11):
Max energy. Max
electrons. Yeah. Okay. Again,
balance.
Right?
Michael Scalar (30:19):
Like, or
Octavius Real (30:20):
an increase to
the point of a balanced
operating state, but that's justthat's something I think a lot
of people might not be thinkingabout, particularly in the
energetic wellness industry islike, hey. There you can also be
doing damage. Like, nobody wantsto go live next to one of these
new towers that are
Michael Scalar (30:38):
Well, instance,
they had Scalar pendants back in
the day, and they startedtesting them for radiation,
because people were gettingtumors where the pendant was
sitting, and they were sold aswellness devices. Although
radiation going back pre thefifties, they were selling
radiated water jugs and thingslike that, and they thought it
was that wellness thing. Thewellness industry in a whole has
always been kinda snake oily,and it really comes down to is
(31:00):
it safe, or am I just beingmarketed to? Yeah.
Octavius Real (31:05):
Do you how does
that look in the industry right
now?
Michael Scalar (31:09):
I mean, I don't
wanna point fingers.
Octavius Real (31:11):
No. No. I just
don't know finger. Just
generally. But you're sayingthere's a good amount of snake
oil stuff out there?
Michael Scalar (31:16):
Everyone keeps
telling me I've heard three
different people, they said 95%snake oil in the wellness
industry. It might be closer to90, and maybe there's but I
where are your studies? Where isyour efficacy? Where are your
testimonials? There's a lot ofpeople paying for testimonials
out there.
A lot of sketchiness, a lot ofhype marketing, like people
(31:38):
putting their dog on theirtelegram, maybe. Yeah. You know,
it's it's buy my stuff, it'samazing, it's a magic pill, you
you hear all these things, andit seems like the regulatory
bodies of America, they theyused to be very hypervigilant,
and they've kind of lessenedunless you, you know, you
literally get on on TV and startyelling, you cure cancer. Yeah.
(32:00):
And probably still even it'slike halfway.
I mean, I've heard I've seen somany people make bold claims
from cancer to HIV to herpes,and, you know, and there's
they're saying that they'regonna have they're almost
guaranteeing positive benefits.Yeah. And I I look at these
people and I'm like, you'redoing our whole industry a
disservice by acting like this.Yeah. Show some data.
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All we want is some data. Showme some data that you actually
did that, not a story.
Octavius Real (32:24):
Yeah. And I'm
familiar with that back in the
cannabinoid CBD era days. Imean, were some companies that
came out with some righteouslabel violations making claims.
Yeah. And when those FDA letterswent out, you know They they
shotgun them too.
They they shotgun them? Yeah.But it with that industry, it
cleaned things up, certainlyinitially, but there was also
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the Epidiolex, the drug that wascoming out. So there was a
Michael Scalar (32:48):
Oh, so
pharmaceutical industry was
like, well, we need to cleanthis up because we've got our
our Yeah. Yeah. But our FDAstamp on this one.
Octavius Real (32:55):
So but it brought
some legitimacy too because it's
like, Big pharma is moving onthis. And I think that that's a
it's a I'm still verypassionate. I care about the
cannabis industry and, you know,with with being changed from
schedule one to schedule three,which looks like is gonna happen
with this administration, that'sgonna bring on research dollars.
(33:15):
Right? Yeah.
Now institutions can researchand put a lot more into it.
Michael Scalar (33:19):
Oh, that's
right. So we we RFK recently
brought in I Ibogaine andpsilocybin as
Octavius Real (33:25):
This is fresh.
Yeah.
Michael Scalar (33:26):
What we're
talking happened.
Octavius Real (33:27):
Yeah. A couple of
days ago, I I think it was an
executive order putting$50,000,000 to research, or I I
I need to go back and look atthis, but I think it's a
research or a program forIbogaine, psilocybin, and MDMA.
And
Michael Scalar (33:45):
It's a party.
Octavius Real (33:45):
It's a it's a
heck of a party, and there's
research to support them, but II think people need to, like,
like, temper the optimismbecause, like, Ibogaine also has
research showing that it createsheart issues. So it's like, hey.
That's the palliative parent,though, again, where it's like
Michael Scalar (34:01):
I've never done
Ibogaine. I don't have a whole
lot of reference there, but I'vedefinitely experienced
psilocybin and MDMA being in themusic community. And I've had
some vivid, spiritual profoundmoments on them. Some people
take drugs to escape otherpeople's if if they have a I've
done it shamanically too. Soit's it's very interesting when
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people sit down and and do atherapeutic session with
psychedelics.
There is a lot of benefit. PTSD,I think, is a huge huge thing
they're probably looking into,and you just let shit go. Yeah.
Yeah. You remove your ego fromyourself.
You're you're viewing yourselfalmost as like an NDE, and
you're looking down at yourselfgoing, is this right? And then
you start picking and pulling onthe strings in your life, and
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then they you come back toreality, and you go, holy shit.
New perspective.
Octavius Real (34:46):
Yeah. Yeah. And
I'm a I'm a supporter of
psilocybin for sure. I don'tknow as much about MDMA, but
with psilocybin, there there'sbeen some great studies
initially, and usually it's withone of the major protocols, but
for end of life care, reducingpeople's fear of death. And,
like, that's been one of my bigpassions and callings as well
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is, like, helping reduce thatfear.
It's something I get into in thebook because when people when
you're not afraid all the timeof death, like, you start to
think a lot more clearly, andyou're not manipulated by people
Yeah. That use that fear tomanipulate you into buying this
drug or or this product orwhatever they're pitching. But I
I I would just temper. Like,it's it's exciting. Okay.
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$50,000,000. But I look at that,and it's the same model, though.
It's like we're still it's thenext drug.
Michael Scalar (35:36):
Right. And DMA
by Pfizer.
Octavius Real (35:38):
Right. By Pfizer.
Right.
Michael Scalar (35:40):
That's
Psilocybin by Moderna. Right.
Octavius Real (35:42):
But that's where
it'll go. Right. But that's and
that's where it will go. Butwhen I compare that to energetic
medicine, this is this is newfrontier. Right?
This isn't another drug. It'slooking at our electrical
reality, like we talked aboutbetween cells.
Michael Scalar (35:58):
It's simply
healthy. It can help. Versus
there I'll tell you that thehangover from MDMA is terrible.
So it is not healthy.
Octavius Real (36:06):
No. It's not no.
It's a methamphetamine. Yeah.
Right?
Like, you're taking a derivativeof methamphetamine
Michael Scalar (36:11):
and Yep. It's
amphetamine
Octavius Real (36:13):
You might not
sleep. You know? Or you'll have
terrible you try to get asleep,like, part of the brain that
falls asleep is, like, wired.
Michael Scalar (36:19):
It's it's not a
healthy healthy drug.
Octavius Real (36:21):
Right. So, like,
I compare that as a palliative
parent. Right? Like, okay. Wait.
We're talking about psilocybin,you know, for a kid? No way. But
it it usually just gets me back.Like, the palliative model is
with energetics, stuff withefficacy, EE system, and a
history track work record,people that have had these
observable results. It's justsuch a it's such a smaller bar.
(36:45):
And I'm looking at this like,well, why why isn't money going
to this? But it usually getsback to IP. And that's my
concern with all of it is, like,the IP ownership, who controls
the IP, who doesn't, who'strying to use snake oil. There's
that. And then there's also, youknow, the predatory behavior.
But I think it's still I thinkit's early in the game as we
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wake up to, you know, our truereality, these electrical
beings.
Michael Scalar (37:11):
No. I think
energy medicine is a huge doors
are opening wider for it in thefuture. People are becoming more
open to it, especially thebiohacking community. They're
kicking the doors down rapidlyfor non pharmaceutical things. I
I think there's a bright future,and, obviously, I think there's
a lot of people out there thatare gonna try and copy.
They are gonna try and steal.They are gonna compete because
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it is the future.
Octavius Real (37:36):
But people yeah.
People don't compete and steal
things that aren't that areworthless. Nope. Or they don't
have value.
Michael Scalar (37:41):
So I value I I I
will openly accept good
competitors that have integrity.I will shoot down those who just
want to make a quick buck. It'swe don't have we don't have
time. Life life is too short.People's quality of life is more
important than someone making afew bucks so that they can have
(38:03):
their fifteen minutes of fameand their $100,000,000.
Yeah.
Octavius Real (38:07):
Have you noticed
that over the the decades with
EE system? Have peoplecustomers, clients, center
owners, have they become moreeducated, or is there more
general public knowledge aboutabout what's going on for at an
electrical level or not so much?
Michael Scalar (38:25):
Most most people
can't explain how a car engine
works. They don't know there's aseries of small explosions
occurring to make that cargo.They don't understand a a light
bulb. Energy wellness, theunderstanding on a scientific
level is so rudimentary. Mostpeople really do have trouble
grasping it.
And it's a very large capacityof knowledge to understand. And
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most people are so ADD thesedays, if they can't it in two
minutes, they run away from it.So
Octavius Real (38:55):
Do you think
someone's
Michael Scalar (38:56):
conditioning,
though? Because I think
societally, though.
Octavius Real (38:58):
Yeah. We grew up
in a chemical model, though. We
grew up in a drug.
Michael Scalar (39:02):
I don't think
it's that. Yeah. I think it's
it's just the ADD society. Youhave everyone who's used to
thirty second TikToks and quickads and quick bits of
information. I see it insociety.
People people are literallygetting dumber by the minute
with AI and social media. Yeah.They're they want everything
instantly, and they wanna get onto the next topic. You know? And
this is part part of the problemin the dating scene is I call it
(39:24):
the iPhone era.
We're all looking for the newmodel that comes out next month.
Society is not on a goodtrajectory. I think energy,
wellness can help with thatbecause we increase electrical
activity in the brain, reduceADHD, which we actually have a
study that, you know, Adderallspeaking of amphetamines, it has
a seventy two percent efficacy.Our technology apparently,
(39:45):
according to a study, has aroughly seventy two, seventy
three percent, above seventyefficacy. So same as amphetamine
chain without the negative.
Mhmm. You'll be able to sleep.You won't be trying to clean
your closet at three in themorning.
Octavius Real (39:59):
Yeah. I mean,
it's fascinating to think that
I'm I'm here also going whileI'm here in Vegas, I'm going to
it's called the NAB show. It's astreaming media technology, and
I had everything's AI there.Right? Like, the whole
conference is AI this, AI that,but I had this fascinating
conversation with this mediaexec, and he was explaining Gen
(40:20):
X.
I'm trying to remember the term,it was like dramatic shorts or,
like, short like, in otherwords, their attention spans are
so short now that they're theexecutives are like, we're going
to package our content, likeYouTube shorts or TikTok videos.
They're like Yeah. Like, theydon't wanna watch a movie on
Netflix. Like, my generation islike, yeah. That's what we're
(40:41):
gonna do.
You know, some people even bingeit out. But, like, Gen X,
they're like, well, they can'tget through a twenty eight
minute show.
Michael Scalar (40:47):
Electronic ADHD.
It it really has to do with
everyone's trying to market sofast that they're they're
creating these hooks. Yeah. Andthese attention grabbing things,
and the algorithm all knowsexactly what they wanna see too
because
Octavius Real (40:58):
Give them more
cats. Give them more
Michael Scalar (41:00):
The phone
literally the phone literally
knows when you've hovered onthat video and starts showing
you more videos. It's the mostit's the crack cocaine of media
is our area.
Octavius Real (41:08):
Do you are
hooked. But is the here's where
I'm going with this. Isenergetic medicine, like EE
system and this this industry,is it a bit of an antidote? Is
it a slowing down? Is it a aneutralizing, a homeostat?
Is it is it a chance for peopleto like, hey. This is this is
the state you want to be in.
Michael Scalar (41:26):
It is. And that
you you see a lot of people
report that. You you kind ofwant it's almost like a digital
meditation where you just kindadrop in and relax.
Octavius Real (41:37):
Yeah. It's kinda
like just getting dropped into a
forest.
Michael Scalar (41:40):
Yeah. It's it's
like
Octavius Real (41:41):
That's how I
think about it.
Michael Scalar (41:41):
It's a like a
digital detox in a way,
ironically, partially usingtechnology. But you you'll
notice people are more prone tomeditate. I have trouble
meditating outside of an esystem. I'm jaded that way.
Because you drop into this stateof deep meditation almost
instantly versus normally if youmeditate, you have to spend a
bunch of time clearing yourmind.
Octavius Real (42:03):
Yeah.
Michael Scalar (42:03):
And, okay, we're
moving this thought and that
thought and get to that innerself. You get there almost
instantly in the technology.Yeah. E Systems is like the
greatest meditation tool ever.It's a coherent field.
Right? So it's it's The noisefalls off.
Octavius Real (42:16):
It falls off, and
then there's, a kind of just a a
a call it a healthy weight to itthat drop like, yeah, drops you
in. That's a good way to explainit. Yeah. I think a lot of
people report that. Do do thecenter owners, do they do they,
like, say no no cell phones, youknow, in our center?
Michael Scalar (42:34):
It's fifty
fifty. Some some are no cell
phones strictly as a rule.Others I mean, if you're running
a business, you can't have abusinessman come in and get an
hour, two hour session, and he'sunplugged. So, I mean, it's
fifty fifty.
Octavius Real (42:45):
Yeah. Yeah. I can
imagine that. And people will be
like, wait. No.
I don't wanna come in.
Michael Scalar (42:49):
I mean, I'm work
I'm constantly working, so I'll
be in the system on my phoneresponding to emails and stuff
like that. It's and then there'sother times where I'm just, you
know, dropping it.
Octavius Real (42:59):
Yeah. So you see
both, in other words?
Michael Scalar (43:01):
Yeah. I I do
both. I I phone phone EES and no
phone EES.
Octavius Real (43:07):
I so but, well,
here's where I'll go with this.
So this this one executive thatwas talking about this, he also
said he made this referencewhere he's like, he really just
wants to get a place inParaguay, you know, to take care
of chickens. So, like, there'sthis whole reverse movement
where people are like, I wannabe more human.
Michael Scalar (43:27):
And There's the
whole movement of the of the
digital digital detox wherepeople are trying to get away
from technology as much aspossible. Right. And they wanna
go back to it's like a a retrostyle of living. I was like,
well, I'm I'm sick of the cityliving, so I'm gonna go start a
farm.
Octavius Real (43:40):
Yeah. Yeah. I
mean, I might might well, I
might want my robot to also helpme with the chickens, but I
wanna also do some you know,maybe make a little bit of wine
or grow some plants in garden.
Michael Scalar (43:50):
Love a robot
winemaker. That sounds amazing.
Yeah. He's kinda a tinge. Idon't do anything with chicken,
so you guys can keep the the theAI chicken bot.
But I
Octavius Real (44:01):
think it's just a
tailwind for this industry,
interjectment. It's why I'm anadvocate for it. It's why I it's
something, you know, people ifpeople are listening to this
show, they're obviously aware ofit. But it's something where
it's putting people more intouch with who we really are.
Yeah.
Right? Where technology takes usaway from who we really are into
these kind of addicted brainfueled beings, which are much
(44:24):
more robotic in nature. Like, Imean, when people are really
addicted to their phone, like,you're behaving more like a
robot.
Michael Scalar (44:30):
We we are all
extremely addicted to
everything. We're addicted tobreathing air. We're addicted to
staying hydrated one way oranother. We're we're addicted to
sleep. We're and then we'readdicted to
Octavius Real (44:39):
But those are
needs.
Michael Scalar (44:41):
Right. I'm
addicted to those. Yeah. But
we're a long series ofaddictions in life. Yeah.
You're addicted to getting inshape because you wanna look
good naked so that you canprocreate or just have fun. I
mean, people are everyeverything in your life is that
you're addicted to driving anice car because it goes faster
and makes a good sound. Youknow, everything kind of gets
tuned down to an addiction to acertain point. You're addicted
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to taking care of your sonbecause that brings you
happiness knowing that you canalleviate some of his pain, or
just spend time with him. Youknow, addiction's a funny word.
Octavius Real (45:15):
It is, but I
would say some of those are
needs. Right?
Michael Scalar (45:18):
Yeah.
Octavius Real (45:19):
I mean, you may
Michael Scalar (45:20):
Well, crackhead
needs his next fix too.
Octavius Real (45:22):
No. I mean, like,
I'm just to say breathing.
Michael Scalar (45:24):
I'm I'm really
just trolling and having fun
with that one. Yeah. Well,
Octavius Real (45:32):
need or
addiction. I mean, I
Michael Scalar (45:34):
The it's a it's
a fine line between genius and
insanity. Right. It's kind of asimilar topic.
Octavius Real (45:39):
I think people I
think people are gonna choose,
though. Right? At some point,it's like, are you gonna choose
to become more and more pluggedin to the point you're going the
way of a cyborg, or are youchoosing more to know who you
really are as a human with asoul or a consciousness that
exists after you pass? Right?Like, which which group are you
in?
And I'm not saying it's likethat dual nature that people are
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gonna be one or the other, but Ithink there's a lot more people,
and they're not an overwhelmingvoice on the Internet. But
there's a lot of people that arelike, we don't wanna just become
consumed by technology.
Michael Scalar (46:12):
Yeah. We live in
this, like, multiverse of the
existence where you have yourNPCs and your warriors and your
truth seekers, and then peopleexperiencing life on all the
spectrums of rock bottom to milehigh. And no one ever stays
completely elated, and no oneever stays at rock bottom.
Life's this crazy peak andvalley of experiences, and we're
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just kind of on that rollercoaster going, whee, and then,
oh, shit, and whee, and, oh,shit.
Octavius Real (46:41):
But it's kinda
like that. I'm not sure if
roller coaster is how I wouldsay it, but, like, EE System is
unique because it's like thathybrid model. Here is a
technology that's creating afrequency, but that's also
simulating more of an like, whoyou are as an electrical beam.
Like Yeah. It's unique.
It it's not it's unique that youget technology helping improve
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who we actually are. Usually,it's the opposite. Like, when
I'm droned out on my phone, thisis not supporting Well,
everything my being.
Michael Scalar (47:09):
Yeah.
Everything's a double edged
sword, so it's a technology caneither elevate you or it can
reduce you.
Octavius Real (47:15):
Way of saying
that.
Michael Scalar (47:15):
Yeah. And
throughout life, there's a
spectrum to life. You're eithermoving towards wellness,
longevity, or moving intodecline and disease. There's
really no middle ground. It'syou're either tipping the needle
in one direction, or it's goingthe other.
There is no dot in the middle.Because throughout the day,
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you're gonna go out and maybe bein a car, the smog needles going
this way a little. And thenyou're deep breathing exercises
in force. It's going up. Oryou're going in the EE system,
it's going up.
And you're eating fast food.Going up. So you really have to
do as much as you can to keepthat needle going in the
positive direction. And knowingfull well that throughout the
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day, that needle is gonna drop.But at some point, you've done
so much in the day that keepsthe needle in the positive.
It doesn't matter if it drops alittle, because you're on a 25,
75 ratio. 75% wellness, health,longevity, positivity, and then
the rest is the stress indriving someone hit your car, or
they yelled at you, or yourwife's mad at you, or you have
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some sort of drama, you you hada glass of alcohol, whatever it
is. 75? Alright.
Octavius Real (48:27):
There's so much
truth to that, and and the I
mean, I keep using this termbecause you can see it's part of
my cheat code of, like, how tothink about one in this position
because I don't wanna be avictim with it. I wanna be
empowered. But as a palliativeparent, like with Atlas, what
you're describing there, thewhole cascade is going not it's
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going to degeneration. It'sgoing to to the demise of the
physical body. Right?
And
Michael Scalar (48:56):
Well, you have
your your your your template of
of a human being. So you get aregetting to experience a template
of a human being that won a verybad draw in the genetics. This
is your your life experience nowis changing you as a human
being. So it's part of your lifeexperience. It's part of his
possibly his chosen mission hereon the planet.
(49:19):
Maybe he signed a a soulcontract when he came in. I
like, I wanna be gone by ten. Iwanna go back to source. Danny
explains being on the other sideis the most pleasurable place on
the planet. So what if what ifwe're just this is
philosophical.
It's just kinda theoretical. No.What if we are divine beings
that come down here as anexperience, and we're taking the
roller coaster ride? And and andwhat he kinda said it too is,
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like, we're the brave ones.Yeah.
We're the brave ones. We'll comedown here to experience all the
dynamics of life.
Octavius Real (49:48):
Yeah. Death.
We're gonna give somebody a hug.
Michael Scalar (49:50):
Sex. Love. Yeah.
Divorce. Yeah.
Falling out of love andheartbreak. I mean Yeah. Again,
that roller coaster. Like, whatif we're we're live we're in a
simulation designed by some sortof almighty existence of just
energy, and we're like we'rewe're literally in a amusement
park. And those who come intoour life are the people riding
the rides with us.
Octavius Real (50:09):
Okay. Yes. But
where I was going with the child
is slowing that decline. Like,anything that will slow the
degeneration Mhmm. And then helpquality of life, like, that's
you know, whether Atlas's solecontract has agreed to have
783,000,000 breaths and thenhe's done.
Michael Scalar (50:27):
Yeah. Yeah. You
know,
Octavius Real (50:29):
that's what it
is. But since I don't know
Michael Scalar (50:31):
But while he's
here experiencing
Octavius Real (50:32):
But while he's
here experiencing, I'm looking
at those options. If it's safe,is it something that's going to
be palliative or slow thedegenerative process?
Michael Scalar (50:42):
Right. Because
you want at the end of the day,
you want him to have the bestexperience you can possibly
provide him while he is here.
Octavius Real (50:47):
Right. And,
usually, that's homeostatic.
That's a balanced state wherethere's not some brain blow up
or some brain to GI issue or,you know, Atlas has to have an
enema every day because, like,the brain Wow. That that'll that
yeah. If that doesn't tell youwhat it's like, and nobody
leaving like that one.
Michael Scalar (51:07):
Everyone say
some prayers for Atlas and Sean.
Octavius Real (51:09):
Say some prayers
Michael Scalar (51:10):
strong man here
to to go through his life
experience life
Octavius Real (51:14):
all these. His
mom is doing most of those
enemas. I'm not there, but,like, just the quality of life.
Michael Scalar (51:18):
Say a prayer for
the mom as well even though
they're no longer his friends.
Octavius Real (51:21):
Yeah. Say a
prayer for her. It's very
difficult to be a palliativeparent, and that's just the kind
of thing where any any energeticmedicine or really anything they
can do that's safe that willslow that decline, that's
helping quality of life. Yeah.And, I mean, we're here talking
about energetic medicine, butyou clearly understand sound and
(51:42):
light.
Like, that's
Michael Scalar (51:43):
And frequency.
Octavius Real (51:44):
And frequency.
Right?
Michael Scalar (51:45):
I mean, I grew I
grew up and I've been in this
helping my mom run run thecompany since I was 16. And I'm
I'm just her her rock. I'm herguardian. And I find it all very
fascinating, and I think it'sexciting. And the best thing is
we get to see people have theseprofound results.
And I'm kinda jaded to them nowtoo, because people are like, I
have this happen. I'm like, ohyeah, it's normal. And then
(52:05):
they're like, doesn't happen.I'm like, oh, I've seen this my
whole life. Yeah.
And I can't talk about it,because then I'll get shut down.
Yeah.
Octavius Real (52:12):
How do you do how
do you roll with that mentally?
Like, by being jaded versus not?
Michael Scalar (52:17):
How do you It's
not really jaded. It's
Octavius Real (52:18):
just Yeah. It's
it's Just tired.
Michael Scalar (52:20):
No. No. It's not
even that really. It's just like
that yeah. That's normal.
Octavius Real (52:24):
It's normal.
Michael Scalar (52:24):
Yeah. I've
normalized it. But to a lot of
people, it probably seems jaded.Because they'll tell me the
stories, thinking this is themost profound thing they've ever
seen happen in a technology. Andto their their themselves or
their family member, I'm like,yeah.
It's normal.
Octavius Real (52:37):
Yeah. Let's be
real. Jaded isn't the right word
for that. But when you are whenyou've done that and you've
helped as many people and youhave the system that you have
the technology and somebodycomes along and jacks it, that
that can create a jaded feeling.It's not disappointment.
Yeah. A disappoint right. I Ithink what I'm saying is, like,
(52:57):
those two are different, but,like, it one validates the
other. Like, the the fact thatit's been helped so many people,
I just see and it's hard to lookat it this way, but it's almost
like a badge of legitimacy. Itis.
Like, being copied is apparentlya great compliment if somebody's
Michael Scalar (53:15):
Apparently, it
is.
Octavius Real (53:16):
Yeah. But it
can't that is the as they say in
the And that's that aggressioncannot stand.
Michael Scalar (53:21):
Yeah. Well, and
valid. And, again, if someone
wants to compete ethically andmake something that's better
than my technology or myfamily's technology, I applaud
them. But do it ethically, anddo it with honor and dignity and
respect to everyone. You don'tjust go out and steal, and then
you don't defame.
Right. These are very lowvibrational methods. And then
(53:45):
anyway. Yeah. I don't wanna getinto it.
We don't need I think we'rerunning up on time though, we
should wrap. Was there anythingelse that happened with the
congress stuff? Or was that moreor less it was you you you just
kinda wanted to go up there andbe like, hey, guys. We need to
protect the IP of these emergingtechnologies.
Octavius Real (54:00):
Well, it it
wasn't quite like that. It was
more they invited me Cool. Tocome to come talk about first
the the whole CCP lawsuit, andthen I that was also a great way
for me to advocate and explain,hey. This is this is who I am as
a palliative parent and alsowhat I'm looking at now, when it
was the hospice fraud and thenseeing energetic medicine and
(54:23):
the IP, in this industry beingthe future. So it's it should be
no coincidence or people shouldnot be like, this is random that
there are bad actors enteringthis, industry or there's more
or that your company, is beingtargeted or has gone through
what it has.
And, yeah, I'm sorry all thathas happened, but, you know, I I
(54:46):
hope it I hope it turns around,but it if anything, it just
kinda goes to show that what Iwas talking about to congress
was, you know, as as we say, wasI we're over the target.
Michael Scalar (54:57):
Alright. Well
Yeah. Sean, thank you so much
for joining us today. I I thinkwe are up on time. Plug your
book again so people can try andwhen when it comes out, drop it
in the comments on this videotoo.
Octavius Real (55:06):
It's coming out,
I'm gonna say, about a month,
everyone. It's gonna be calledthe adventures with the great
wazoo.
Michael Scalar (55:12):
Alright. Well,
thank you for tuning in to
Everything's Energy Show. Thankyou, Sean Murphy, and we'll see
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