Why GLP-1s Aren’t a Shortcut to Real Health | Everything's Energy Ep-48 - EEShow (Everything's Energy Show)

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Michael Scalar (00:00):
You're tuned in to Everything's Energy Show. I'm

(00:01):
Michael Scalar, the EEShow herewith Roland. We're gonna have a
conversation about everyone'sfavorite new peptide GLPs or
peptides because we're reallygoing through the original
semaglutide into the trizepatideinto the retaturitide or tiding.
You practiced that, didn't you?I did not.
But I have some experience. So awhile back I was training Muay

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Thai and my hormone doc waslike, well, you're overweight.
I'm like, yeah, I've beenoverweight for a while.
Everything is good except you'refat. I'm like, yeah.

Roland (00:33):
Right. Bedside manner was on point, wasn't it?

I love Asians, man. They're so just like to the
point. Didn't say fat. He saysyou're overweight. I'm like,
yeah, I know I'm fat.
We'll call it what it is. Butanyway, so he gave me some
Ozempic and this is like at thebeginning of the craze. I was
like, all right, I'll try it.And I remember doing, I think I
lasted a week because I wastraining Muay Thai and Muay Thai
is very high intensity training.

Roland (00:53):
I used to train and compete amateur and I did a
couple of pro fights. It's not alight form of exercise.

No, you burn through a lot of calories and
energy and your blood sugar willdrop if you did not eat. So I
wasn't eating because I was onsemaglutide. And I literally
made halfway through a personaltraining session and for the
first time ever never completedmy session. The one time where I
had a tap out because Iliterally was about to fall
over. And I was like, I'm neverdoing this one again.

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So threw it away. Recently,tried Trizepatide and at a small
dose, it's kind of okay. But therecommended dose I tried was way
too high. And I were in themiddle of a move. I obviously
mentally do a lot of work in aday running a company.
And I just, I was gassing.Really? Yeah, I was on it for

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two weeks trying it at twodifferent doses. And I'm like,
I'm done with this because Ijust didn't have the energy.
Your mind needs fats, your bodyneeds And I was just gassing.
It was like, I turned into azombie and it turns off some of
your happy centers. So I kind offelt myself depressed the first
week, which was kind of weird.So I switched to Reddit to Riot.
I'm just trying playing withthat right now. And the research

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on it seems a lot morepromising.
I'm not so not hungry that it'saffecting my energy levels. I
can eat because when I was onTrizepatide, I was like even
drinking water. Like I had toforce myself to put things into
my mouth and it felt really,really weird. So I wasn't super
into it. Everyone else hasdifferent experiences, like
obviously dosing.
So I wanna kind of explain someof my experiences with it as far

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as tips. So I was getting acidreflux at night, which was
strange. So one of the hackshere is apples. The apples will
help basically slows down yourdigestion. So anything still in
your stomach, it's gonna kindalike sit there and you lay it

Roland (02:40):
Kinda ferments or something. Yeah, fermentation
acids come back up youresophagus.

Yeah, so it makes it hard to sleep if you
have acid reflux. So eatingapples was the hack there.
Obviously activated charcoal isanother hack for if this is
someone's problem that they'rehaving. And if you are trying
it, I do recommend just applesare really healthy in general.
So it's a good thing to, somefiber.
Absorbs the acid. So it's notgonna go up your esophagus while

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you're sleeping, which is reallyimportant. And then there's a
supplementation side that we'llget into more with you because
that's your bread and butter.Now you are actually adamantly
against.

Roland (03:16):
I'm not in favor, so I'm gonna state two things. One, no
experience. So I carry a lot ofignorance in the sense of all I
know about this stuff are thingsthat I've read, which is not a
ton. Secondhand experience frompeople that I know, which is
again, moderate. And then thebias I have is that I'm kind of

(03:37):
hippiesque, right?
Like I'm very much, I don't goto the gym, I'll grab a
kettlebell or a sandbag and I'lltry to work out barefoot outside
if given the choice. Full Jesushippie mode. Full Jesus hippie
mode. I'm sure he had somepretty cool calisthenic skills.
Maybe not.

Walking on water burns a lot of calories.

Roland (03:55):
I figured how to walk on water. Know how I do it? I'm a
boat. I was moved from the frontof the back of the boat.

God, I wonder if it was that easier. He's walking
on water.

Roland (04:03):
No, he's floating on a log. Judas, he's in a puddle,
relax. Back to the boy. So mybias is that it's a physiologic
problem. So there's no quickfixes to a physiologic problem
until you figure out what thecause of the factors are.
And for me, I see a potentialdownside with these things

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because they're being marketedas fast weight loss. Fast weight
loss is typically a fly by nightthing. Think of how many
different- Yo yo dietingbasically. Crash fad diets.
There have been fat burners thathad to be illegally outlawed
because they were causingcardiovascular stress and issues
with people.
There used to be a nonabsorbable fat called olestra

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that they put in chips that gavepeople horrible GI disturbances
and chronic diarrhea. Yeah, theywould say, oh, well, you're not
gonna absorb the calories of it.It's just terrible for the human
body. Artificial sweeteners, nonnutritive sweeteners that are
zero calorie, but potentiallyharmful for the microbiome. So
to me, it's like, what's thenext thing that humans are
trying to be lazy with and notactually do the hard work, which

(05:11):
this conversation is beneficialbecause you are actually not on
the side of, I'm gonna liveslothfully and slobbly and do
this.
I'm also going to get my ducksin a row and try to change my
diet, fix my sleep, supplementcorrectly, exercise. This is
what I want to talk about withthese things because I see the

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point for someone, I put myselfin someone's shoes recently
because I had to talk about thisin a webinar. And I imagined
myself being someone who'dstruggled with weight my entire
life. I've tried everything.Everything that fails is one
more thing to demoralize me,right?
Because people don't understandthe psycho emotional impacts of

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trying to achieve a goal thatyou continuously fail at. At
some point you run out ofmotivation. So I thought to
myself, like, where's thecontext? Where is the
appropriate place for suchthings? So I'm not just an
absolute hater.
This person who needs a win,They need to get something
started for themselves so theycan find the motivation, they
can see a little bit of positivefeedback, which drives them to

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hopefully change their habitsand not just try to inject their
way to being thinner or lighterwithout considering all the
other variables. So I'd love totalk about some of the things
that you're implementing andmaybe we can evolve examining
this weight loss conundrum forpeople because I look at it
maybe a little bit differentlyfrom other people.

Yeah. I mean, I'm obviously a researcher. I
like to figure things out andit's a huge fad. It's been a
fad. I tried it as it was comingin, kicked to the curb, new
stuff came in.
I'll give it a shot. Didn'treally like it. The reddit ride
seems to be a little more of alogical one and I've only been
doing it for a couple of weeks.So I was

Roland (06:52):
just curious. And these are sequential evolutions,
right? Like the first one wasthe initial launch product. And
then there

was the second one, there's Trizepatide was the
next one everyone was raving

Roland (07:04):
you did not like that one?

Maybe the dose was just too high, but it didn't
resonate with me. And then thenext one down the line is Retta
and everyone was saying that wasthe better one. I'll give it a
shot, but I'm not looking atthis as a lifestyle thing.
Because I see a lot of peopleout saying, Oh, I'm just gonna
do this all year. I'm justcurious in general.
And then I talked to a lot ofpeople that are like, Oh, I'm

(07:27):
afraid of doing that becausethere's the Ozempic phase and
people are losing their eyesightand all these different things.
And I'm staring at someone inthe wellness space going, Well,
it's probably not the drug. It'sprobably the outcome that's
occurring where people aren'tputting things in their body and
your body needs fuel. It needsminerals, it needs vitamins.

Roland (07:47):
So you're saying it's a starvation induced problem. It's
a deficiency as a necessity ofnot eating creates deficiency.

Well, it's like they're giving themselves
scurvy, like they're

Roland (07:57):
not eating anything. Yeah, micronutrient
deficiencies, healthy fatdeficiencies, protein
deficiency. Because this is myquestion. How do we know it's a
result of the behavior changesthat are causing these problems?
Or how do we know that it's notthe drug or the pharmaceutical
agent itself?
Because in the well- It's

hard to say,

Roland (08:16):
but- In the medical industry, is this habit of ten,
fifteen, twenty years after thefact we go, Oh, we didn't know
this. We're sorry. Sorry.

Sorry, we're going to my Canadian roots. No,
it's true. Doctors areprescribing this and I got mine
off of telemed. I didn't eventalk to a doctor and there was
no handbook. It's, know, do yourIt own is kind of trippy, but
even if you were to sit with adoctor, very rarely, most of
them have no idea whatnutrition's about.
They don't study nutrition.Actually get between

Roland (08:48):
eight and ten hours in a four year medical school
residency. Minimal. That's eightto ten hours in four years.
That's like two days. And not tosay none

of them will give you a great advice on what
to put in your body, butnormally it's here's your drugs,
go have fun. And you takesomeone say that's three hundred
pounds overweight, whatever. Andthey eat fast food, they're
addicted to Coca Cola, just yourtypical American, like really
bad diet. Then you startinjecting them with stuff.
They're already more or lessnutrient deficient because of

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their general diet.
Then you factor in that they'renot getting anything from
anything now because they'vejust pretty much cold Turkey
gone on a crazy fast. So whatwould occur then is you're gonna
have all that fat storagedumping the toxins of all that
junk food into their system.Body's gonna

Roland (09:36):
have to detoxify it and they're not gonna have the
because detoxification is anactive process. This is what
people don't understand. They'relike, oh, I'm gonna fast and I'm
gonna detox. If you have anadequate store of nutrition in
your body, you have B vitamins,you have minerals, you have
amino acids, because detox is avery much an amino acid
dependent process, you might beokay. But most people need

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nutrition to detoxify.
So imagine you have a bunch oftoxins trying to fit through a
doorway and they all, boom, theyall hit the doorway at the same
time. I'm remembering theSimpsons episode where Mr. Burns
was, because he had so manyillnesses, his illnesses were
keeping him in balance, but onething that have killed him and
he thought he was invincible.But the reality is if someone is

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trying to get things out oftheir system, they can create a
detoxification backlog, whichcan cause more oxidative stress,
more downstream consequences tothe health of the physiology.

And fat typically will surround negative
things in the body to protectthe body from it. So if you're
then going into these storesthat have literal garbage in
them.

Roland (10:37):
Yeah, they're like a storage depot for toxic material
the body can't get out. And youknow there's an order of
operations of how the bodystores fat, right? You know
this?

Go for it.

Roland (10:46):
So you have subcutaneous fat, which is fat underneath the
skin. And that's actually ahealthy store of fat for
emergency energy. Everyone has athreshold of how much they can
store there. The next level isvisceral fat. Visceral fat is
what covers organs.
And that's when you start to getall the metabolic changes. So
let's say someone has a highvisceral fat content, this is

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where they can have nonalcoholicfatty liver syndrome be a thing,
it becomes a metabolic organ. Soit starts producing estrogens
and these things calledcytokines, which are signaling
molecules for the immune systemto recruit inflammatory
processes in the body. Itdysregulates insulin, it
dysregulates glucagon, itdysregulates cortisol, all of
your signaling hormones, and itstarts to become something that

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essentially makes the health andvitality of all these cells of
those organs less efficient atburning energy. So having
visceral fat makes you better atstoring fat because the body's
getting that perpetual signal.
If you fill up your visceral fatcontent, then you start stuffing
fat in the organs. And this iswhen you have true metabolic
obesity. They call it metabolicsyndrome or syndrome X. This is

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where you have my four hundredpound life kind of TV shows that
are centered around this and thebody has to lose the fat roughly
speaking in that order. You haveto burn it in the tissues and
you have to burn the visceralfat around the organs and then
you get to a healthy bodycomposition to where your
visceral fat levels are low andyou just have I think for a
female it's somewhere between1622% body fat is healthy.

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For a male it's somewherebetween depending upon genetic
background, eight to 15%. Andthat's where I think most people
should aim to be.

Yeah. Let's get back to like, people are gonna
use, I mean, in general, Ialready alluded to that the hard
part here is you're probably notgonna be able to work out
because you're just not gonnahave the energy and it is hard
to put it in your So for a lotof people, I really don't
recommend any of these drugs.And I'm not a doctor. None of

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this is medical advice. This isjust our observation.

Roland (12:47):
Don't take advice from a guy on a podcast. That's the
third thing that people say inthis series of events. You
should

never take advice, but we're just having a
conversation. I love working outand it feels miserable to be in
a calorie deficit in the gym. Itliterally, you're just like,
Ugh. So for a lot people thatthis probably isn't the best
thing to do. Go with the hippieroute, go with grounding,
lifting kettlebells and sandbagsin the grass.
I think that's the better route.If you are gonna explore this, I

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think there's healthy ways to doit. And I think we should have a
conversation about that. I don'tthink doing it long term. I
think using this as a fastingassist, like a catalyst, I wanna
call fasting assist.
So take a week where you're notgonna have to do a lot of work,
where you know you can manageyour energy levels and provide

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yourself with the propernutrition. So like a juice fast
for one week on this stuff wouldprobably be a breeze because
I've done so many juice fasts,like the first two days you're
like, suck food. So you're like,I just wanna eat something. But
if you were on this stuff, you'dliterally just be like, I don't
even know if I wanna drink thatjuice.

Roland (13:52):
Is it that powerful? It's really that influential
over your hunger signaling.

The Trizepatide was tremendously, I didn't wanna
put anything in my mouth, whichis amazing to say you're a fast
food junkie because the thoughtof greasy food, like fast food
would They actually assignednausea medicine with it. I
didn't take it. I didn't get thescript. I was like, I'll be

(14:17):
fine. But I could literally feelmyself.
Like if I was gonna go to TacoBell, I probably

Roland (14:21):
would have thrown up. Which is usually what happens
when you go to Taco Bellanyways. I'll have

a whole another story on fast food. But I think
if people are gonna play withthis, they should do it in short
stints. Because a lot of peopleare doing these for like one to
four months. So if you're gonnacycle it, maybe try at least
start off dedicate a week whereyou're kind of or do a first
week at a really low dose so youcan feel it out. And then once
you've kind of got your dosagecorrect, just go for a full

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blown like master cleanse orgallbladder cleanse, something
like that.
And use the assisted protocols.There's a lot of supplements out
there that people can take toassist them with the
detoxification. Because again,I've done the hardcore fasting
in my life and it's prettymiserable. This stuff would
probably would just be like, buttypically when I was on these

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fast too, my energy levels werereally, really low. It's like
just walking up a hill is like,oh my God, I'm dead at the top
of the hill.
Normally, you have a proteinshake and some oatmeal and
you're like, I can do this 10times a day. That it's no energy
levels and the brain fog factor.Like I think so much in the
course of a day, you'd need tofigure out maybe some avocado or
cocoa.

Roland (15:29):
Yeah, a little bit of healthy fats. So what you're
saying is use this as a catalystto starting your weight loss
journey. Do it in a short orderas you can justify. So basically
you're saying take the minimumeffective dose to get yourself
started, then get off

of it. And see, well, that's one way or take,
you might not notice much oranything off your first dose.
Some people I've heard say thatto me. And so then they scale up
and then some people go way toohigh. You really wanna feel
every body is different.
So you wanna feel out whereyou're gonna go with it and
what's gonna be an optimalrange. I've heard of other
people doing micro dosing of itjust to reduce their hunger a
little bit. That could be anoption. But for me as being

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someone who's on fasting, I justthought, wow, if I could just
drink lemon juice with a littlebit of maple syrup, your master
cleanse for a week or two onthis stuff, it'd probably be a
breeze, but you can't befunctional and on a diet. If
you're not gonna be aconstruction worker or a CEO.

Roland (16:25):
Yeah, you can't be high performance on a

diet long term, I agree. Or really in general,
you're not gonna be able toperform. That's part of the
problem here. So if you're gonnadiet, then set aside some time
to actually do a proper diet.And in that, you're gonna need
the right mineralizations,proteins.
If you're doing a diet, you'regonna need the minerals. You're
gonna need the supplements. Ifyou're not gonna be on a full

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blown diet, you're gonna atleast need to try and balance
your carbs and your proteins sothat you have some sort of
energy. And you literally haveto force yourself to eat this
stuff being like, I know I needthis. Otherwise I'm gonna fall
over.
Let's go through some of thesupplement. Do you know of any
good supplements for people whoare, if they were going to want
to detox to assist with thingsgetting out of the body?

Roland (17:06):
Yes, so the first thing that you wanna look at is
supporting the in and outprocess, right? So digestion
elimination, if you're notpooping on a regular basis, I
mean, we've done an episode onpoop and all associated things
and we laugh at it, but alljoking aside, that is the main
way that your body gets toxicmaterial out of your system.

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Like fecal matter is a way totake toxic material, stick it to
something, bind it with fiberand remove it from the body. So
you have to be pooping, you haveto be hydrating and vacating
urine on a regular basis becausethe kidneys are another pathway.
Breathing properly, believe itor not, breath and the dynamic
balance between oxygen andcarbon dioxide and the releasing

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of breath can be a way to veryminorly supplement the process.
And the fourth pathway issweating.

Yeah, mean, a big fan of saunas. Those

Roland (17:56):
are Yes, infrared specifically because with an
infrared sauna, your body'sabsorbing the light energy and
it's internally heating up. It'sdilating blood vessels, it's
dilating lymphatic vessels andit's getting stuff out of your
body through your pores. So Iwould say that would be the
first thing in terms of detoxsupport. The second would be
looking at key nutrients to helpwith two things. One, oxidative
stress, three things actually,two, energy, B or C rather,

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actual detoxification supportdirectly, which is typically
amino acid dependent.
Some free form amino acids.

How do they get those?

Roland (18:28):
You can either get them as a powder, you can get them as
tablets, as capsules. Like BCAAor? Not BCAA. There are typical
products that have detox focusedamino acids. So they're more of
the sulfur containing aminoacids, N acetylcysteine or acid
in acetyl methionine, probablysome glutamine, some taurine for

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helping the gallbladder and theliver work.
And there are certain herbs thatwork well, turmeric, ginger
works well, milk thistle,artichoke, things that help you
produce bile because bile isalso a cleanser and a detoxifier
of the small intestine throughthe liver. And I would also say
that people would probably wannathink about some dietary
strategies while they'redetoxing too. So, and this is

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probably beneficial across theboard for people who wanna lose
weight. The biggest offender todysfunctional physiology is
blood sugar swings, bigdeviations of blood sugar.

Ironically, are diabetic meds, so they actually
help balance the blood sugar,which is part of, but you're
right that you don't want thoseswinging.

Roland (19:28):
Well, and I think this is so important because if
you're gonna take these things,you're going to push the balance
of hormones in your system infavor of the ones that support
weight loss. So the body cannotlose weight if insulin is always
high. Insulin is high becauseblood sugar is high. And if you
have high insulin, high bloodsugar, perpetually, you'll have
high triglycerides. So yourbody's in a fat storing mode.

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So you're basically a storagemachine and your body's, even
though this is the ironic thingabout people who are overweight,
even though they have energy ontheir body, they're starving
because their body's not gettingenergy from the food they're
eating efficiently is beingconverted. So, excuse me,
keeping your blood sugar low byavoiding simple carbohydrates,
processed carbohydrates, whiteflour, white sugar, things that

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are going to excessively raiseyour blood sugar quickly. Even
an organic rice cake is going toraise your blood sugar through
the roof. Even a brown rice cakeis because of how quickly your
body can break down thecarbohydrates. So focusing more
on the low glycemiccarbohydrates, root vegetables,
if you're gonna do grains, dothem in smaller quantities
because grains have a highamount of carbohydrates per

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serving.
And then focusing a little bitmore on healthy fats and
proteins and fiber with yourmeal, because those all lower
the speed of how fast your bodycan digest and absorb glucose,
which is carbohydrates. Fruitsare actually much lower on the
glycemic index typically,vegetables have carbohydrates
but they have minimal impact onblood sugar. So making dietary

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choices around those kinds ofthings not only help with
lowering insulin, lowering bloodglucose levels and promoting
more glucagon which breaks downblood sugar and breaks down
stored fat but it also supportsdetoxification

That's part of the retriever. It actually works
with the glucagon. Glucagonraises blood sugar and mobilizes
stored energy. So apparently ithas a great effect on fatty
liver and things like that.

Roland (21:20):
The only one out of

the GLP's that actually facilitates that, which
is fascinating.

Roland (21:25):
That's what Metformin's purpose has always been to stop
your liver from making glucose.Because when your liver makes
glucose, it puts it into thebloodstream and keeps your blood
sugar elevated. So your pancreasis always making insulin. And
when insulin is high, you can'tburn fat.

So it's you were talking about poop. So let's
talk more about poop. Okay.Actually, of the side effects is
constipation and it recommendspsyllium husk. I drink coffee,
so I didn't really notice that.
I've been pretty regular,although I haven't done this
significantly. But if you don'teat, you typically can't poop
because there's nothing tonothing to go. But then we can
go a little further into thepoop category. I just love

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saying poop. Sorry, guys.
You're not We're gonna have funwith it. Go go for some enemas
and colonics, get the impactionout because part of the problem
there too with getting a propernutrition is you have so much
impaction in your colon thatyou're no longer have the
absorption rate. So things cango, put all these things in,
it'll go straight through youbecause the impaction's
blocking. The door.

Roland (22:17):
That's also part and parcel of people who have issues
with weight management too. Theymay think they're going
regularly or that maybe they goevery day, but they might not
actually have efficient bowelfunction. And when you don't
release that waste material, itactually becomes possible that
your body reabsorbs things inthe bloodstream that gets into
the various tissues and cells ofthe body and it becomes

(22:38):
mitochondrial toxic. Oh no. Iknow and it sounds very
complicated, but it's a verysimple concept.
Anything that inhibits yourbody's ability to make energy in
a cell makes your body lessefficient in taking calories and
turning them into ATP which isthe body's energy currency. And
as that happens, your thyroidwill slow down. So there's a

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like it's a triangle very, so tospeak of digestive function,
energy metabolism, regulation ofbody mass and weight. So even
just working on supporting yourdigestion and your bowel health,
if you're on this or not, canhelp people lose weight. And I
think in this, this is my bigworry because I think these
things affect the vagus nerve tosome degree.
There's some sort of inhibitionor tranquilization or there's a

(23:25):
word I was looking They're

saying it affects the happy centers of the
brain. Like so you're selfrewarding your food. So there is
something weird going on there.

Roland (23:33):
Yeah, that's my worry because the vagus nerve is what
innervates all the organs ofdigestion and it allows for an
efficient signal of optimizinghow your digestive system
functions as a whole. So ifyou're paralyzing, if you're
temporarily paralyzing yourvagal tone, that can have some
downstream consequences. So inmy mind, it's even more
important that you nail all thebases and get them right So you

(23:56):
support your body and whateverstress it's gonna have to deal
with if you're using somethinglike this. Again, this is my
bias to where I'm like, this is

No, I mean, it's good information. This is why I
kind of strayed away from itwith the first two ones. And I
was like, again, being theresearcher I am, I'm like,
everyone's doing this stuff. SoI'm kind of curious and I could
stand to lose some weight, but Idon't think eating is really my
problem either. It's more ofjust having a high stress life
because I actually don't eat alot and I eat relatively
healthy.
The only time I've ever actuallybeen in great shape is when I

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was literally training Muay Thailike every single day. It's just
mental. I think a huge part ofthat was being a vegetarian. I'm
really just bad at getting myprotein complexes. I'm a
carbitarian,

Roland (24:34):
which Well, that's does not the challenging part about
being a vegetarian is you havecarbs with a side of carbs and a
little bit of protein with Andcarbs are not the problem, carbs
have been vilified forever. Andbefore that it was fat and
eventually protein, which isreally important right now will
be vilified and the cycle willcomplete. But the hard part with
being on a carb heavy diet is ifyou already have some degree of

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insulin resistance, eating morecarbs is gonna compound the
problem no matter what kind ofcarb it is, unless you can get
your insulin levels undercontrol. So I think it's really
important that people- Well,

guess these meds for me might actually help with
that because they're-

Roland (25:07):
They might be the perfect storm for you because
for personal beliefs, that's whyyou don't eat meat, right?
You're not doing it because youthink it's-

No, I've fought many times. Really want to like
start eating fish or somethingbecause then I would be able to
get the right amount of proteinbecause it's like getting a 100
grams of protein as a vegetarianin a day, it's really difficult.

Roland (25:25):
So from a calculation perspective, the average plant
food has four to eight times theamount of carbs to protein. So
unless you're taking amino acidsupplements or some sort of
vegan protein powder, if youwant a 100 grams of protein, but
it's also like four to 800 gramsof carbs in a day.

Yeah, no, it's, I mean, there was a week where I
was like trying to pound proteinshakes just to try and get my
numbers. And I was noticing alittle bit of difference in the
gym, but it was making me feelsick because it's so hard to
drink that much protein shake.

Roland (25:55):
It's also a lot of processed stuff. Protein shake
is a processed food. So I

don't, unfortunately, unfortunately it
is just I was raised vegetarianor vegan and now I eat cheese.
At least they've given me someprotein.

Roland (26:09):
It is what it is.

I'm like literally like, can I eat fish?
Can I do it? I just

Roland (26:14):
I'll be with you if you wanna try it for the first time.
I'll hold your hand.

It's a weird concept, but we'll get back to
it. There was actually a list ofsupplements in here that they
were kind of recommending.

Roland (26:27):
Let's go through that. I'd be interested to hear

what Number they have one obviously. So your
target is one hundred, onehundred and fifty grams a day.
If you don't wanna put anythingin your mouth, that actually
sounds like a lot.

Roland (26:38):
And that's dependent upon the person, right? Like if
you're a one hundred and threepound five foot two female
versus you're a six foot two,two twenty pound guy. It's gonna
be very different in terms ofprotein.

Electrolytes are obviously extremely important.
Minerals and electrolytes huge.Dehydration, you need to fight
that. So the electrolytes aregonna be huge and just drinking
enough fluids one way oranother. Sodium, potassium,
magnesium, very important.
Magnesium, extremely importantbecause we're talking about the
constipation part again. Musclecramps. I actually did notice I

(27:11):
had a couple of like reallygnarly muscle spasms one day.
Was like,

Roland (27:15):
While you were exercising or just out of
nowhere?

I think it was like out of nowhere. I was like
laying in bed and just had amuscle spasm in my leg.

Roland (27:21):
That could be a mineral thing. So you're saying adding
some potential salt, like someCeltic salt to your water or
some sort of electrolyte.

Maybe magnesium in the evening is optimal
because it's gonna help you fallasleep. What else do they have
in here? They have fiber. Sopsyllium husk, apples have fiber
too.

Roland (27:39):
You know what, actually that's a really good thing.
Fiber is not fiber. So whenyou're trying to eat, make sure
that you vary the kinds offoods, the plant foods, the
fruits and vegetables thatyou're eating, because different
kinds of fibers are two things.There's going to the bathroom
and there's taking care of yourgut health And you have this
thing in your gut called themicrobiome. If things are being
stagnant within your gut becauseyou're not going on a regular

(28:01):
basis, you may want some fiberto help support the prebiotic
fibers, help support keepingyour gut health and the bacteria
in your gut healthy and happy.

Yeah. And I've seen a lot of content about
these drugs and no one evertalks about any of this, like
almost at all. It's mostly justlike, go do this stuff. It's
great. Inject it.
Keep injecting it. B vitamins,obviously really important,
especially for vegetarians,zinc, selenium, iodine. Iodine
is gonna support the thyroid.Trace minerals, where's Danian?
Trace minerals?
Always important trace minerals.Vitamin D three. I mean, people

(28:32):
should be getting maybe tenminutes of sun each day. I'll
give you some D.

Roland (28:36):
Right now around the entire country, it's April to be
made from the sun. I was outsideall day today. We're on our
amino.

So we have omega threes. And oh, I love this one,
creatine. Actually, I did hear alot of the bodybuilders who are
on Reddit talking about ifyou're not doing creatine,
you're doing it wrong. I lovecreatine. Instead of having a
second cup of coffee, I'll havecreatine or I'll mix the
creatine in with my morningcoffee at cold brew.
I've noticed a lot morecognitive energy in being able

(29:05):
to stay focused in meetingssince I've started taking
creatine.

Roland (29:08):
And it also preserves muscle mass. So there's two
functions. There's aneurological benefits,
especially as you age, but itpreserves muscle mass because it
allows you to have more energyand you can stay more anabolic.

And that's really important because that is
one of the side effects of theGLPs is you lose muscle. So
people are losing all thisweight. A lot of it you're
actually losing muscle becauseyou're pretty much going into
fasting lethargy and you're notmobilizing. You're Which slows
your metabolism over

Roland (29:33):
time because muscle is metabolically active. You wanna
maintain as much muscle aspossible within reason and lose
entirely or as much fat as youpossibly can.

And this is kind of why I wanna have this
conversation too, is a lot ofpeople are taking this stuff,
losing muscle and losing fat andthen coming off of it and
gaining it all back. You needmuscle to stay in shape because
it's gonna burn the calories. Soreally, and that's why I'm
really kind of pointing out ifyou are gonna do this, use it as
like a cutting phase, I guess.

Roland (30:02):
Well, that statement alone, it shows you that people
are not changing their lifestylehabits. And if you're gonna do
this, it's just gonna be thenext thing that didn't work if
you don't actually facilitatechange to make health the
priority. Because weight loss isa function of health and
vitality. I'll explain what Imean. If you have the ability to
lose weight fairly easily, itmeans you have health and

(30:24):
vitality because you cankickstart your body out of a
place of stress and stagnationbecause your cells are healthy,
your muscles are healthy.
If you have a hard time losingweight, it's because your
tissues and your cells and yourorgans are unhealthy to some
degree. Stressed out to somedegree. You're riding the
cortisol train, not respectingyour body with food, lack of
sleep, lack of exercise,whatever. If you're not going to

(30:45):
change your lifestyle habits,this is going to be another
failed attempt and you will trysomething even more extreme in
the future. So I like thatyou've gone through this because
you said it very well.
People are just doing thesethings without just hoping for
the best.

It's like every fat diet. People jump on the
train, really doing any researchand their friends are telling
them, take this drug and you'regonna eat this giant bag of
bacon all through the day andyou're gonna lose weight. Then
end with a heart attack. I mean,these are relatively new drugs.
I think retrient hasn't been FDAapproved, but they are selling
it through pharmacies.
So it must be close orsomething. But I've known people

(31:22):
that had great results. They'retypically actually doing things
in tandem. So they have ahealthier lifestyle than average
people. Think a lot of theaverage people are, again, your
general person who's fast foodall day, Coca Cola instead of
water.
Them doing this stuff as aweight loss mechanism is
probably gonna backfire becausethey're gonna cycle right back
in the negative results. Soreally what we're talking about

(31:45):
here is a lifestyle change,learning to supplement
correctly.

Roland (31:48):
It's about getting your health back. The weight loss is
a symptom of being healthier.

That's it. Well, and there's a good conversation
to have here as well as beingskinny doesn't equate to being
healthy. So don't worry if youare a little overweight because
that might actually be healthyfor you. You don't wanna be
obese. There are different bodytypes.

Roland (32:07):
Like my body type is more ectomesomorphic. So I'm the
kind of person, if I fast, Iwill lose muscle really quickly.
Building muscle takes anexcessive amount of calories and
a lot of work for me to thepoint where it's like, it's not
fun to do that. But if there's afamine, I'm going first.

So what am I then? You would be more

Roland (32:26):
of meso endomorph. So you can add weight of either
kind, fat or muscle ratherquickly, but it's harder for you
to take off, but you also retainmuscle more effectively. So you
will have that metabolic rate tosome degree being fortuitous for
you in your back pocket, you'llprobably keep more muscle into
your later years.

I would be strong like

Roland (32:49):
You'd be strong like bull, yes. Well, it's funny
because you said it best, thereare different body types, there
are different body habitus, ifyou will, where there are
patterns that you see and beingskinny doesn't equate to being
healthy because you can beskinny with a high body fat
percentage. You can be skinny tothe point where your body

(33:09):
doesn't have the ability to getfat. And those are the people
who drop of heart attacks intheir 40s and 50s, but there
were no warning signs. So it's avery nuanced topic.
Fundamentally, if your bodycomposition, your body fat
percentage is high to the pointwhere it's affecting your blood
chemistry in a negative way,you're probably not in a good

(33:29):
state. If it's affecting yourquality of life, your mobility,
your happiness, your athleticperformance, your overall
satisfaction with the way youlook, it's probably not optimal.
But it doesn't mean thateveryone needs to be single
digit body fat with abs,striations visible when they
take their shirt off. You haveto figure out where your body
wants to be naturally. Whatwould you do if you didn't have

(33:51):
to exercise and you didn't haveto necessarily manipulate food
all that much?
Where would your body wannastay? And everyone's got their
own set point. So I think that'sa really wise thing. Don't
project an unrealistic idealupon yourself because every body
is different.

Absolutely. Well, there was one more thing
that I found in the researchthat's recently coming out
there. They're talking about theGLPs being positive for anti
cancer effects. My thoughts.Really?
I was like, I don't know aboutthat, but then I thought about
there are people out therehaving good results with
actually fasting with cancer.So, I mean, this is a

(34:28):
theoretical question. Again,we're not medical experts,
consult your doctors, shamans,gurus, and medicine people. And
chat GPT. And chat GPT.
Yeah. But I thought it wasinteresting because I do know
people that have been had a lotof great health results for
different conditions throughfasting. And maybe that's really
where these people are havingpotentially positive results is

(34:51):
really that they just stoppedputting the junk in their body
that was feeding it.

Roland (34:55):
Well, I'm gonna try to explain this simplistically.
There's a teeter totterrelationship in the body between
building and breaking down,right? Anabolic growth,
catabolic breakdown. Cancer isan unregulated growth problem
where you have cells that arereplicating at ridiculous speeds
that eventually become a tumorand then they can metastasize
and go everywhere. And onereason why fasting is supposedly

(35:15):
beneficial is your immune systemis not dealing with the assault
of the things that are coming inand your body's not using all
these energy resources to digestand deal with just running your
metabolism.
It has the ability to cleanhouse. So it's a breakdown
dominant way of living But thebenefit is you have this process
called autophagy where the cellsstart to recycle old material

(35:38):
and your body, believe it ornot, we have cancer cells in our
bodies right now and our immunesystems are selecting a delete
process for all of them asquickly as they can because
cancer cells are a normal partof just living. If you fast,
you're basically bringing bloodsugar, glucose levels, insulin
levels down low, and you'retaking all of your energy

(35:58):
resources and directing ittowards immune function to help
renew and regenerate the tissuesin your body. So if what you're
saying, and I'm assuming they'renot making the claims that it's
the drug as a catalyst for

It's pretty new. Kind of alluding to it being the
GLPs,

Roland (36:17):
but my thoughts is the- The fasting process. I agree
with you there because cancercells metabolize energy
differently and cancer cellshave to thrive off of the only
macronutrient that can be madewithout the presence of oxygen,
which is a glucose molecule.Cancer cells don't make energy
like a healthy cell does. Ahealthy cell can burn a fat or a
sugar. So a healthy cell canactually help you lose weight

(36:39):
because it metabolizes thestored energy on your body in
the form of fat.
A cancer cell has adysfunctional metabolism where
they need glucose. So if you'reeating high quantities of
glucose, lots of carbs, yourinsulin levels and blood sugar
are always high, they have afood source. Fasting also
starves them out. So not only doyou have the immune system
going, hey, need to get rid ofthis one, this one, this one,

(37:00):
and this one, when you starvesomething, it dies. Dies.
So mechanistically as acatalyst, I could see why that
would be the autophagy as you

were saying, I think really is the key point
there because in that process,the healthy cells are
prioritized to stay there andcancer is an unhealthy cell. So
it's gonna be

Roland (37:19):
like, your food. And also if there's a biochemical
influence of stored toxins andvarious things in the system,
when your body's in breakdownmode, it will accelerate trying
to remove said things from thesystem because cancer is not
just a food problem. Cancer is amultitude of different
influences that we still don'tfully understand.

Yeah, it's a lot of factors. I mean, someone
could have been raised nearsomething with radiation or
ingested a small particle ofsomething that was actually an
isotope of some sort

Roland (37:50):
and it just fasters. Parasite connection, there's a
molds toxicity connection,there's emotional aspects of
unhealed trauma. So I don'twanna make this reductionist as
saying like, just fast andyou'll never have any worries,
but.

Yeah, it's environmental, your products,
your environment cancer iscreated through your
environment, which is yourselfand your surroundings.

Roland (38:12):
100%. But mechanistically, can see how
that could be a positivecatalyst. That's if the research
checks out. All dependent uponthat. Yeah, it all depends upon
it.
Well, this was

a great conversation. I think it was
really enlightening hopefullyfor everyone out there. If you
guys are out there trying theseGLPs and you have some tips and
tricks, drop them in thecomments. If you are completely
adamantly against this stuff,also drop it in the comments.
Let's see what everyone has tosay about the miracle drugs.

Roland (38:40):
If you want to get healthier and you're on these
things, go in an EE system.

Oh yeah, mean obviously we can plug it. Go for
an EE system. I mean obviouslyif you're low energy and you're
fasting you're probably gonnaneed that to help with

Roland (38:53):
the detox. Managing that cortisol response and that
stress response is a key factorin weight loss. The body under
stress is gonna be in highcortisol. High cortisol is gonna
break down blood sugarexcessively, cause insulin to go
up. So there's a multitude ofbenefits.

All the reasons to go to EES-

Roland (39:07):
All the good stuff.

All right, thanks everyone. Like, comment,
subscribe, we'll see you nexttime.

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