November 12, 2025 • 44 mins
After 35+ years of gospel ministry, evangelist Marilyn Harry's passion for souls and healing hasn't dimmed. In this powerful conversation, she shares wisdom from decades of seeing God's power at work - including a baby coming back to life in her arms, tent campaigns where hundreds found Christ, and countless healings.
Discover:
- How she's maintained fresh fire through decades of ministry
- The power of resilience in facing opposition as a woman in ministry
- Practical, detailed guidance on praying for the sick
- Why looking into people's eyes reveals what to pray for
- The importance of not rushing healing ministry
- How to handle disappointment when healing doesn't come
- Deliverance ministry with dignity and compassion
- Why "if you pray for 10 people, you'll see more healed than if you pray for five"
Plus, an incredible testimony of healing from the Elim Leadership Summit - a woman born deaf who can now hear.
Marilyn's message is simple but powerful: "It's not my responsibility to heal people, but I have the privilege of coming before God and asking. We are in the modern church, and the one thing we cannot do without is the anointing."
Don't go by feelings. Build your faith through God's Word. Create space for the miraculous. And remember: "The ministry of Jesus is preach the gospel, heal the sick, and speak freedom."
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Hello and welcome to this latestedition of the Healing Leaders
podcast. The likely that you tuned in
today. We have a great episode lined up
that is going to stir you aroundthe areas of spirit filled
ministry and healing. And in order to explore that,
we're going to speak to the welltraveled evangelist, Marion
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Harry, who has had the privilegeof leading many people to Jesus
over the years and praying for many people to know healing and
seeing some amazing things happen over that time.
So we're going to be looking forward to unpacking range of
issues and questions. Also, we have a wonderful
testimony sandwiched in the middle of this podcast today of
a healing that was given testimony about in one of our
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churches just a few months ago. And I'm sure you're going to be
greatly encouraged by that. So thank you once again for
tuning in. And here we go with the
interview with Marilyn Harry. That's a great joy today to
welcome one of my heroes, Marilyn Harry, who has been an
evangelist in Ealim for many years.
And she has traveled probably millions of miles around the
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nation and beyond, just bringingthe good news of the gospel,
helping people step into the baptism of the Spirit, helping
people find freedom in Christ, and helping people know the
healing power of God. Marilyn, it's great to have you
with us today. Thank you so much for taking
this time out to have this conversation.
Marilyn, are you encouraged at the moment by what you're
seeing? I'm really encouraged.
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I've just been saying we startedthe little church in the Welsh
valleys 18 months ago, couple ofus, but people are just walking
in and finding the Lord and you know, baptism soon as a couple
of weeks ago a lady give her life to Jesus.
First time in church she'd have been involved in the occult.
Couple of days later she got delivered, baptized in the Holy
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Spirit and she came with a little boy who was 15.
And anyway, that little boy saidhow that he'd been praying for
his mom for two years because he'd become a Christian when he
was searching through the Internet.
I'm ever so encouraged. Thank you, Jesus.
Amen. And do you sense a season
change? Marilyn, you've been preaching
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the gospel for years and you've always seen people find Christ.
But do you sense we're in a new moment now in the nation?
I do, I do. And I do think there are more
men coming in to church, there are more young people coming in
and the greater receptiveness. I do.
I really do. That's wonderful.
Marilyn, I want to talk to you about a range of topics today.
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I want to talk to you about spirit filled ministry.
I want to talk to you about healing.
But if I can just start at another place, and that is you
have been faithfully serving andministering and preaching the
gospel for years, and yet when Isit with you today, you have
exactly the same passion, enthusiasm, vision that you had
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all of those maybe 35 years ago when I used to sit in the car
with you as part of your team traveling up and down the
country. You still are overflowing with
passion for souls. How have you maintained that?
How have you kept that fresh fire burning in you over those
years, Marilyn? Well, I think it's the grace of
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God actually, and to be surrounded by good people as
well that I think that's a key. And obviously awoke with the
Lord. And both times of prayer is word
and fellowship. And also to have positive people
around you as well. And when times are tough that
you can have a chat with them and they can encourage you.
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But yeah, and I think that I'm very privileged because I'm
still able to preach the gospel.And when you see God touching
people, that's enough to lift anybody up.
I remember many of those car journeys.
You would say someone read the scriptures and we would in the
journey, we would read the Bibletogether while you were driving.
And those were very formational days for me to sit and to see
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the way that you fed your spiritin that way.
It was always a great inspiration, Marilyn.
And I think that's really set some things in place in my life
and I'm so grateful to you for that.
Over those years that you've been involved in ministry there,
there would be some tough times,wouldn't there?
First of all, like you are, you've been a woman in ministry
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when women haven't always been accepted ministry.
What's that been like for you? Do you know what?
I was so naive, really, it's allI knew was I had to call a God
in my life and God had called meto preach the gospel to Britain,
in Britain rather I should say no to Britain.
But The funny thing was in the days when I started off and it
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wasn't like that, the posh plastic cards.
Now that we are a little more ofa formal anyway, I found it
recently and for 10 years I had a credential which said here and
I would go to the meetings and they'd say we welcome the
brethren and Madeleine. But I was, I just knew God had
called me. And to be honest, I can say I've
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got great encouragement over theyears.
I've had those few bleeps. I remember I'd been about five
years in the ministry and a young couple came up to me and
said, Madeleine, we want to apologize you to you because I
was in Bible college with him, actually, because we really
believed you were out of the will of God that you should not
be as a woman preaching the gospel.
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And in those early days, somebody came to me particularly
with the Good News Bible. But it says about being women
being silent in the church. But I just knew I had this call
in my life, to be honest. And I had many encouraging
voices too. The level of resilience you've
shown over the years, Marilyn, not to become a fighter to these
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causes, but just to allow yourself to have a spirit.
It's almost T file really, that things just haven't seemed to
stick on you. Criticism hasn't stuck on it.
You've just kept faithful to thecall of God.
And that resilience is, is something that some commentators
are saying is missing in a lot of society today, that ability
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to keep going when times are tough.
What would you give as advice tosomeone that maybe it's feeling
the pressure of opposition or the pressure of failure and
there's an encouragement to themto find a new level of
resilience? How would you encourage them to
be resilient? I think the key factor actually
is our prayer life and speaking in tongues.
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I speak in tongues a lot and we do all have difficult times.
And I remember one particular time in the ministry, there were
two different groups of people who couldn't get on and I was in
the middle and I had to make a choice.
And I thought, Oh dear Lord Jesus, I haven't got to clear
what to do. The only thing that saw me
through was to spend time in worshipping the Lord and
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speaking in tongues. It like lifted me above it.
So I'm a really great believer in that, in prayer and speaking
in tongues, because we speak in mysteries to the Lord and he
gives us revelation, doesn't he?And also I think it's a key
factor as well to have some confidence with you.
We have all different type of friendships.
I'm very glad, delighted over the Lord.
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I'm not a married lady and I'm not delighted for that.
I can sing, but to have wonderful friends around me that
if I was having a tough day, I know I could call them, go to
visit them and have a chat with them.
So that's important as well, notto isolate ourselves.
And also when God has called us to know our personal calls from
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the Lord. We haven't got to be like
everybody else and I think all that just really helps us.
Really, I'm very simplistic in my zeal about it.
Simplistic but wise. And I always remember, I don't
know if you remember this conversation, but I believe when
I left school that God was asking me to come and work with
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you on your team. And my pastor at the time, it
wasn't an elim church. My pastor said I was too young
and you replied back and said ifhe's old enough to join the
Queen's army, he's old enough tojoin the King of Kings army.
And you've always been brilliantat capturing those simple but
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profound powerful statements. What could he say to that?
How could he respond? And so I came and joined and
signed up and it was a great privilege of my life to be
working with you and learning from you.
Marilyn. And I know that your background
before ministry, am I right? You're a midwife.
It was your general news and midwife and of course when I was
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a midwife, I don't know, Mark, have I ever told you this?
I saw an amazing miracle that I was a young midwife.
I was a sister on the labour ward and the baby was born one
day and the baby lived and then the baby died.
The doctor was there, the baby was resuscitated.
Everything was done to try to bring life back to the baby.
Nothing worked. So the baby was confirmed dead,
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covered over with his sheet. The parents were told the baby
had died and the doctor had written in the mother's notes
the death of the child and training with my responsibility
to actually come. Then I was, I remembered it to
this day because he was so profound one in the quarter.
I was later, I remember it was, and I went to the baby and I
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picked up, I took the sheet awayand I picked up this lifeless
little dead baby girl in my armsand she came a lies in my arms.
And that was like, Oh my gosh, that's amazing.
No, I can't remember ever praying for her.
It was just a miracle from heaven.
And they followed that little triad there for two years, and
she was intelligent, no problem whatsoever.
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Wow, and I love that you were a midwife and you have now spent
your life seeing people birth into the Kingdom.
I and I think of the New Testament disciples, some of
them being fishermen and then Jesus, I'm going to make you
fish as a man. God has enabled you to be
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someone involved in seeing many people birthed into the Kingdom.
As you reflect back over your ministry, Marilyn, what has been
some of the highlights of seeingGod at work in bringing people
into his family? Oh, it must be that old tent.
When I was in ministry in Birkenhead, there's Paul Acton,
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which is a wonderful start in life with me being with Pauline
Evelyn. And then my dad had an accident
and died. So I came back home to Travod
and I was in the church in Porthand I was playing with a group
of young people and this doesn'talways happen to me, but I had a
vision and in this vision I saw a big white tent.
In my heart I knew it would seat500 people and within about six
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weeks the Lord gave me a 500 seater tent, 500 chairs and a
team. And that really turned the
ministry. To be honest, the first time we
used it was with another evangelist, Maldwin.
We knew everything about tents. Very anointed to this day And we
went up to the valleys and with this 500 seats a tent brought 12
churches together, gave up 20,000 invitations and every
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night the tent was packed. And the first night I will never
forget 46 people coming to Jesus.
To be honest we didn't know whatwe were doing and I remember we
were totally unprepared. And so I remember I was looking
at the congregation and asking my friends will they come
forward and help the new converts.
And right from the start we saw the miraculous happen.
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I remember a little boy had comethat day and his little, his
eyes had tunes in his eyes and he was healed.
He went home and his daddy foundthe Lord.
So we always saw people healed, touched by God.
So for me, the tent was a major factor in the ministry.
And I've got lots of memories ofsome of those times in the
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tents. But every time I go to a summer
camp and I walk into a marquee, the smell brings me back to the
moment of all of those wonderfulmiracles that we've seen in
tents with you over the years. And you mentioned healings
there, and there was that miracle of that baby that you
refer to in when you were a midwife, the miraculous signs
and wonders. Healing has been a clear part of
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your ministry, Marilyn, over theyears.
And what was it like the first time that you began to pray with
the sick and advertise in the community?
Come to the tent. We're going to pray for the
sick. We're going to see healings.
Did you feel pressure at that time?
People's expectations come in toreceive a healing.
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How was that for you? Oh, my Keys was when I met with
Paul all those years ago. Paul really moved in the
miraculous when I travelled withhim.
First of all, before this happened, we always saw the
miraculous. And so that really, to be
honest, I didn't worry about that.
I worried more or less would anybody, Turner, if God, is
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anybody going to come? But it was simple faith really.
And we just prayed for people. We just prayed for people, not
just myself, because my heart isto be an equipment.
So it wasn't just myself. We just prayed for people.
By God's grace, we never saw everybody healed.
But if you pray for 10 people, you'll see more people healed
and you pray for five. I always have the thoughts of
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it's not my responsibility to heal other people, but I have
the privilege of coming before God and asking.
That's the attitude I take really.
I can't heal anybody. But what I I believe is that we
are in the modern church and themodern church, I love it all,
but there's one thing we cannot do without is the anointing.
We can have everything else, butit is the anointing in the
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presence of the Lord that bringsthe signs and wonders.
And where you've got the presence of the Lord, you will
always have signs and wonders. So there will be people
listening to this, that maybe it's been a while since they've
prayed for healing for people and maybe the complications
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around praying for people in thepast and not seeing them get
healed has impacted their confidence.
There might be all sorts of reasons why they've stopped.
But what would your encouragement be to them,
Marilyn, if they're listening tothis and thinking actually I
need to start praying for the sick again, what would be the
best tips and advice you could give them in order to help them
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start doing that? If it was in the church
situation, I would say let the people know they have
opportunity for ministry and it might be at the front of the
church or might be in a cycle orwhatever.
But to let the congregation know, I would say preach on
healing, preach on healing creature on the baptism of the
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Holy Spirit, raise expectation for me when I train people about
moving in these areas. And I know I'm speaking to a lot
of pastors and leaders now, so excuse me for this, but I always
encourage people to read again, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John,
the book of Acts like they've never read it before.
And then I mark my Bible. So everywhere Jesus healed
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people, I put AH, everywhere he delivered people, I put AD when
he healed them delivered, I put a HD.
But when I look at the ministry of Jesus, I notice he was
compassionate. He loved the people.
So I would say in the church, speak on healing, even if you're
a bit nervous, doesn't matter because there is AI believe
there's something about what youpreach you have.
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And so as a proclamation, I say preach on healing and then give
the people an opportunity, whether it's going to them one
to one, inviting them to the front of the meeting or maybe
you're having like a healing clinic or whatever and they
spent your time. But also I would say as well, if
there are people that are not well in the church, I'm sure
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they'd want you to pray for them.
So I, what I would say is, for example, if we pray in for
people on math and we pray one to one, how I would do it, I'd
say was nice to see you. You know exactly, you're not
very well. Would you like prayer?
Would you let me allow me to pray for you?
And then I would simply then pray for them and I'd ask them
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to be a good listener. That's very important.
And also when I pray for people,I never close my eyes.
There is a key in listening and looking because the eyes tell a
lot. So I would simply say ask the
person, would they allow you to pray?
And then simply I think to them,I don't say to be bringing the
look into your eyes, but I do. But I say or just look forward a
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moment and then I would look into the eyes and I did say it
was, for example, Lambie go. And then I would say Lambie go
in the name of Jesus, I command you to go.
Then I'd say to them, just closeyour eyes a minute, minutes,
lovely. And I just sense the presence of
the Lord over them. And if it was appropriate, not
pushing them, not forcing them, but if they couldn't move apart
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before, ask them if they could move apart because they're
actually movement is a big, big key as well to healing.
There's so much one pack there. First of all, I love that
reference healing and deliverance with H&D in the
Bible. I don't think you meant this.
HD is high definition and high definition ministry in the
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scriptures and yet the source ofthe scripture being our faith
building component. This can't happen without that
kind of. I try to read through Acts every
week. I find it stimulated.
I find it stirs my soul because there's so many elements in this
world and the cultures of this world that want to take us away
from understanding what God can do.
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So I love that. Get in the scriptures, preach on
it, love that. Marilyn, wait, if you're
preaching on healing, how do youhandle the the complexities
around and not everybody gets healed.
How do you incorporate that whenyou teach that?
Silly enough, I told on Healing yesterday twice and I always
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give the example of my mother. My mum had multiple strokes, was
paralysed and in bed for two years and I was very privileged
to look after her in a minor's cottage in the Rhondda.
So I always bring that. I always say I know some people
not here. My mum, she was bedridden and
multiple strokes and yet I friends and family would come
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and sit by my mum and I would goand take a service and I see
remarkable miracles and I said by my man, I cannot understand
it, it's beyond me. But that doesn't stop me from
praying. Yeah.
And Marilyn, one of the most biggest impressions that you
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made on my life was I remember we were doing a mission together
in Blackpool and there were incredible healings that were
taking place in the in these nightly meetings.
I think we were there for probably about a week.
There were incredible healings taking place.
And after every evening you drove back down to the Rhonda to
be with your mom that night. And the tension of seeing the
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incredible healings and the compassion and the love of
supporting someone through theirown illness really was a great
analogy for me of the tensions in what we're just demonstrating
here. So thank you for reminding me
and reminding us of that. So do you think some people stop
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preaching on healing because they've faced questions of
disappointment from people that have not been healed?
And it just feels like it's too risky to step out and to believe
that God can use them in healing.
Yeah, I'm sure that would be disappointment and
discouragement. But if you pray for 10 people,
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you'll see more here than you pray for five.
So keep on doing it. I do not see everybody healed.
Gentleman, his young wife with nearly beds, ridden for eight
months. And so they asked would I go to
their home and pray for her? At the moment I'm not great at
walking. I use a stick, my billet.
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He's poor. So I hobble to the house because
I couldn't park outside. I got to the house, the lady the
bed was downstairs, she was on morphine, multiple illnesses.
Doctor said you'll never get better.
Anyway we prayed for the lady, alovely lady.
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She gave out this incredible loud scream.
So much of the neighbor next door came and knocked the doors
was in the Rhonda now and asked with everything OK and then I
looked at her. Her complexion had totally
changed. She sat up, walked for the first
time and aided in eight months. Her husband was crying.
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She actually was so touched by the Lord, she and her husband
herself as well came and waved me off as I went and then I
hobbled with my stick back to the car.
Oh, I don't understand yet. Because they don't understand.
It doesn't matter that the minister of Jesus is preach the
gospel, heal the sick and speak freedom.
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Well, I hope you are enjoying this interview with Marilyn and
we're going to go back to it in a few more minutes.
But I wanted to break in here toshare a wonderful testimony that
a member of the Derby City Church shared a few months ago
with the congregation regarding a healing that she experienced
at the Elim Leadership Summit. I know you are going to enjoy
this. What an awesome God we serve and
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I'm so excited to share something that God's been doing
in my life this last month. I was born with a number of
genetic conditions. The couple that are relevant for
sharing this truth of God's workin my life.
I have a genetic condition that means I have constant joint
pain. My joints dislocate easily.
I was also born deaf. I then had meningitis when I was
nine years old, which took another toll on my hearing on
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the left side, and I found that really difficult to come to
terms with. I felt God was calling me to a
particular line of work that I thought was not going to be
possible if I was deaf. I hid my deafness that I was
ashamed of it. But God creates success.
We are for a purpose and being genetic.
Our children also born deaf and they spoke truth into my life
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and said you told us that we should be proud to be deaf.
They're wearing our bright coloured hearing aids.
Why are you hiding yours? So I got bright coloured hearing
aids and I learnt to sign and beautiful sign language and I
was welcomed into the deaf community and I was proud to be
deaf. 3 1/2 weeks ago I had the privilege of attending Elim
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Leaders Conference. Wonderful time away together.
If you ever get the chance to attend an Elim conference I
strongly recommend that you go. And on the Wednesday evening,
there was a praise worship partyand the person leading on the
stage said, if there are people here who need healing, then put
up your hand. And I needed healing.
My back was in so much pain, my wrist, I hadn't been able to
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move in six months. And that was a real disability
in communicating with my family and friends.
I couldn't sign. So I put up my hand.
I needed healing. I was in so much back pain.
And he said anyone with a hand up, just people either side,
just step alongside. And two people from this church
stepped alongside me other side.And Mark was declaring and me
liver diseases be healed me cancers be healed.
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I said, yes Lord, I'm here for my back pain and all of these
conditions. May heart conditions be healed
and lung infections be healed. I said yes Lord, please heal
those things. I'm here for my back pain.
And Mark said, and in the name of Jesus, may ears be opened.
I said no Lord, no, that's my deaf identity.
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And that quiet still voice. Really child, is that where your
identity is? No Lord hearing or deaf for you.
I was deaf and now I hear. Thank you Jesus.
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All glory to God and what an incredible journey this last
three weeks has been. My speech is clearer because I
can hear it. Alexa can understand me now when
I ask her to play worship music.I'm able to interpret the
service more faithfully for my children to understand it.
I served a street pastor shift on Friday evening and I could
hear what people were saying when I pushed my daughter in her
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wheelchair and she's talking. I don't have to stop and go
around to lip read. I can hear what my daughter is
saying. Thank you.
Thank you. And that has been just the most
incredible gift. And our daughter who will be
sick this month, she miraculously received the gift
of speech a year ago when the two people from this church
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prayed for her. She hasn't quite got used to
this yet. She still narrates life for me.
Mama Papa's just arrived home. I know I can hear the door now.
It's incredible, absolutely incredible.
And it's still a journey. It's still a journey.
I missed the gift of silence when I could take out my hearing
aids and the only voice I would hear would be God's.
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And there are things that I miss.
And yet by the grace of God, as well as healing my spoke of
communication, you'll say heal my sign language communication
at the same time, because I can move my wrist now and and I have
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peace that unless God wills otherwise, I will live in
physical pain the rest of my life.
Every day I still have back pain.
I'm grateful that it's less thanit was.
My back pain did reduce. That was what I was there for.
And I'm grateful that's reduced.And I have peace that God has
created me this way for a purpose so that his power may be
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displayed in in what I do, in the way that I live, whether
that is deaf or hearing. It is for Jesus whether I'm able
bodied will have arthritis, thatis for Jesus too.
And I ask just we we pray, give us Our Daily Bread.
Jesus. This is the bread of life.
I ask just just enough Jesus every day that I can get through
that day. There is a passage in Mark where
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Jesus has healed a person who's born deaf and unable to speak
and says at the end people were overwhelmed with amazement.
He, Jesus has done everything well.
They said He even makes the deafpeople able to hear and give
speech to those who can't speak.And I say yes and Amen, Jesus is
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the same yesterday, today and forever.
And the miracles that we saw poured out in the New Testament
are available for us here today.All glory to God, thank you
Jesus. What a wonderful testimony.
Thank you to Elizabeth for sharing that wonderful story
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with us all. Now, let's go back to the
remaining interview with Marilynand Harry.
I want to go back to some of that method.
You talked about how you pray for people and particularly the
eyes. You look into their eyes and the
lamp of the soul. Can you just help us?
Is this a spiritual discernment,Marilyn?
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When you're looking in their eyes, are you looking in their
eyes and asking the Holy Spirit to reveal something?
What's happening there? I tell you what's happened to me
some years ago now, I was ministering in the Ladies
Conference. There were about 60 ladies
there, and to be honest, it was over the weekend.
So I prayed for everybody exceptfor two ladies because they're
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Dalton Force footwear. The two ladies were stood at the
back and one looked obviously inpain.
So I just said, well have you come for prayer?
And the lady, she said, yeah, I wasn't going to because I've had
this terrible pain. I think it was, well see what
she is, she did a car accident and she did this terrible pain
in the back. I said, would you like me to
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pray for you? She said yes please.
So I just prayed in the name of Jesus.
Sciatic leaves be loose, be healed in Jesus name.
And nothing seemed to happen. And I had this thought and
sometimes when the Holy Spirit touches us it's a thought isn't
it? That's for me anyway, not that
every thought of the Holy Spirit.
And I had this thought. Look into her eyes.
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So I said, oh OK lovely. I said just look forward a
minute. I looked into her eyes and said
those same words. She felt in the flawed, in the
power of God. Now I don't always see things,
but sometimes I do. And I saw a spirit came out of
her tummy out through her mouth,and she was completely healed.
A couple of weeks later, a pastor friend of mine invited me
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to go to his home because the gentleman who lived in John G
Lake's house in America had cometo Wales and he was in that
home. And so he was telling us how the
John G Lake taught the healing technicians.
And we talked to Mark to look into the eyes, address the
sickness, and then have them to close their eyes and imagine the
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Holy Spirit flowing over them. I forgot that must be God.
So I do see more people healed when I do that.
So this is what I'm doing. So when I look into people's
eyes, I don't say to them, oh, I'm going to look into your
eyes. I just say, OK, lovely.
Just look forward a minute. Now, when I look, we look.
When you look into the eyes, you'll see a lot.
For example, I was ministering now a couple of days ago and the
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numbers of people came forward for prayer and I looked into
this lady's eyes and what I saw was trauma.
I do believe in medical care. We never tell people not to go
to the specialist, never tell people to come off medication.
But clearly than anything I saw,I get that with discernment.
I saw trauma so I played trauma.I break your power.
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Leave her now in Jesus name. The lady fell on the floor and
she wrote and count for ages. I don't know what happened to
her after, but when you look into the eyes, lots of different
things, you can see pain or different things.
You do have to be careful, of course, as well.
Sometimes you look into the eyesand you can see a demon.
A demon will pop up into your eyes.
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But sometimes as well, people's eyes are dark because they're on
heavy medication. Yeah.
So I find it a great always a help.
So I never shut my eyes when I pray for people and I, we do
something at home. You're called not at home in our
base in Ebbw Vale, called the Healing House.
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So people book appointments to come.
And I think sometimes we don't see so many people healed
because we rush it. So I want to encourage of any of
the pastors or leaders thought of maybe having an afternoon or
an evening particularly for praying for people and not
rushing it. So, for example, if I may, I was
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somewhere over there and that's what the church did.
They opened the church in the afternoon for people to come
from prayer. So we were able to take time
with them. And this lady came and she had
Crohn's disease for eight years.And anyway, I just played a
little prayer over her in the name of Jesus, be healed of
Crohn's disease. And I just had this thought.
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I said, oh, are you in a hurry? She said no, I said do you fancy
maybe not just going to sit herenow in the country to the church
I just rest in. I let the Lord touch you and so
she just sat there. We were there a little bit
longer and she started during that time.
We didn't pray through the game,but I went back to that church
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and the lady giggle testimony that when she was sat in the
presence of God in that church, she saw black this leave her
abdomen and she was completely healed of Crohn's disease.
Wow. Yeah, I, I think in today's
fast-paced world and our organized meetings and the busy
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agendas that we have, it is possible that we don't engage
enough time. Isn't it that we just quickly
see a line of 20 people at the front and we just quickly walk
down each line and pray for people and we do not give
sufficient time to discern what God is saying?
I'm really intrigued, Marilyn, when you were talking about that
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first occasion where you asked them to look forward and you
looked into the rise and you sawsomething, that gift of
discernment of that being something that was fairly new to
you at that point, Or is that something that's been developed
over a period of years? I didn't know it was a gift of
discernment. I just sort of thought.
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So I suppose it is really, isn'tit?
But it's I just sometimes have athought and I don't always see
things, but sometimes I do see things in the spirit.
So that's been to the long term really.
Like I just had a thought. Look at that lady's eyes.
And seeing a demon in people's eyes, I wonder if we could just
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look at that for a moment. Because I know there have been
sometimes in the ministry where it feels like I have a greater
awareness of the schemes of the enemy.
I remember there was one period of time in our church where it
felt like for a season that there were a whole bunch of
demonic influences in people's lives that have been hiding for
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years that were no longer able to hide.
And they just seem to be revealing themselves.
And there were multiple deliverances taking place on a
regular occasion. How over the years when you've
seen a demon, and is that a discerned thought?
I'm just thinking, if someone's listened to this, they've never
seen anything demonic. What?
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What does that look like? Is that an impression for you or
are you actually physically seeing something manifest in
their eyes? What is that like when you see a
demon? Sometimes it's like a
discernment and once you've seenit once, you'll always recognise
it again. But the demonic will never
manifest unless it's an option. That's why we can have people
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sat in our churches who are heavily demonised for years and
never feel uncomfortable. It's the anointing will bring it
up, but what happens sometimes with because the demonic always
wants to hide. He doesn't want to leave.
So what happens sometimes is it can put the people into a trance
where people's eyes that get glossed over is they're not
there. So what I would do in that case,
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I would find up the Spirit and say I find up that spirit in the
name of Jesus. And I don't believe you've got a
shouting born. It's very gentle to be honest.
And I pray. And then I would call the person
by name and I'd say so and so. I'm talking to you now, darling.
And they'd bring them back to themselves.
You've always been so caring about the dignity of the person
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as well. I've always been struck by the
compassion that you carry. And I do see online some people
that become very, very focused on deliverance ministry, and
sometimes it looks a little bit showy and a little bit
spectacular. And sometimes it feels like the
dignity of the individual is notbeing protected.
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How have you managed that over the years?
Because obviously you want someone to live free.
So that's driven by love. But the enemy does want to make
a show sometimes, doesn't he? And that can cause to be some
spectacular elements that can steal the attention away from
the authority of Christ. I believe so and also with
healing. Some people just excuse me
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saying it a show offs and but it's not about that.
It's all about Jesus. It's all about Jesus.
For example, a lady with us now a few weeks ago came to Jesus
out in your account and she responded to the gospel.
Then she went home with a terrible nightmare because
obviously it was a conflict. So what I did, I arranged to
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meet her with two other ladies and then in the private room we
gently prayed with her. So we didn't make a show.
I wouldn't make a show off somebody.
If somebody started to whatever manifest, I would just go over
and quietly stop it and then in the privacy pray for deliver it.
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Back on the subject of healing, if someone is saying OK, God, I
need your help in this, I'm not sure if I feel like I'm very
anointed. I'm not sure I feel like I've
got the experience to draw upon with confidence around praying
for the sick. How would you encourage them to
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take some steps forward in this regard in their life and
ministry? How do they get a deeper vein of
anointing or an awareness of anointing on their life?
How do they grow in faith and how do they start praying for
people more intentionally? I think #1 don't go by feelings.
Gosh, if you went by feelings, you'll never do anything.
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And remember, it's not our responsibility to heal.
I know that she said that. Preach the gospel.
Healers say that is Jesus is thehealer, not us.
And some of those were wonderfulat three and four people to be
healing their children because they're so full of faith for
children. So build up your faith by the
word of God. Also, if you know somebody
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that's in your area or you've got some friends that move in
the ministry of healing, why notsay, can I pop along and be part
of what you were doing? Because I know for myself over
the years I've learnt a lot by looking at how others did it.
And I thought, Oh yeah, I wouldn't do that again.
Oh yes, I will do that again. But I've learned such a lot and
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I still learning by watching andlistening to others.
So if there's someone near you that they move in the healing
ministry, why not go along and say, can I be part of it?
I love how Jesus trained the people, He trained his
disciples. I love her.
We did it, He taught them, He showed them how to do it.
He sent them out to do it and they reported back.
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Jesus sent them out two by two to preach the gospel, heal the
sick. So really it's our
responsibility as leaders to prepare a place in our churches
and ministry that is safe for people to learn.
So don't be afraid, just go ahead in Jesus name, be healed
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and don't worry about the demonic.
I already mentioned a little bitbecause it's part of healing.
I never got to hung up on that because whether it's a spirit or
whether it's a disease, Jesus name, easy answer.
So just simply pray in Jesus name be healed.
Beautiful. Just one final question.
You referenced earlier on about asking people to do something
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they couldn't do before they. Were applied.
Is that something that you ask in every situation, or is that
something that you discern that you should be asking them at
that time? I think I discern it.
For example, I preached on healing yesterday morning and
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there's a lovely lady who comes every week very faithfully no
matter the weather, in the motorized wheelchair.
So after I preached healing and the team came forward and they
were praying for everybody, I just went to the South by her
because I didn't want her to feel awkward and I wouldn't
dream of asking her to love her together and love her.
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She was so lovely and she was basically saying something like
the Lord knows my situation and I just was lovely with her.
I just went sat next to her. I didn't want her to feel
awkward. It's in other locations, like
for example, somebody come in with the foes and shoulder.
I would say no, I don't want youto stretch yourself, but never
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go. See if you could move your arm.
But I wouldn't force them to move their arm.
I have seen people coming out ofwheelchairs.
Quite a number come out to wheelchairs, but I wouldn't drag
people out to wheelchairs. So it's just a discernment
really. But there is something about
activation. Absolutely that is about
activation. It's a key and if you go through
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Matthew, Mark, look at your, you'll find time, the time, the
game, the activation, stretch your hand out.
So remember, the only time Jesusprayed for somebody twice the
man was blind and then he said, look up.
It's full of activation. What you've demonstrated there,
Marilyn, in that story from yesterday is that it's more
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important that we love the people and that we have
compassion and we understand andwe're caring and we're diligent
in our care of people, not just the person that with power for
the hour, but that we are peoplethat carry the love and the
compassion of Christ. Thank you for finishing this
short interview together with that illustration.
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I wonder before we go, would youjust pray for all our listeners
and would you pray that they will know the compassion of
Christ, that they'll grow in faith and will grow in the
anointing? I don't know if you heard me say
a few months ago, people in Needham have often known they
have a history, but they've not always known they have an
inheritance. And I believe that there's an
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inheritance in our movement of seeing signs and wonders and
healing that we are to reactivate and step into where
we've laid it down. So would you just pray that God
will do something fresh in our hearts as you pray for us?
Dear Lord Jesus, we love you ever so much.
And Lord, it's been such an honour to chat with Mark today.
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And Lord, I pray now for all thefolks that will be listening to
this podcast, that they will be encouraged, be uplifted, and
that Lord, that there will be a fresh wind of the miraculous and
healing and signs and wonders throughout the healing movement
in this day, in our day, and even further afield.
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Father, I pray for faith to arise for the impossible.
I pray, Lord, for confidence to be able to have confidence,
Lord, that we can lay hands on the state and see them.
We can in Jesus name and just pray Father, for those of us
like myself even we need more and more confidence in different
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situations we're facing. I just pray your blessing Lord
on every listener in Jesus name,Amen.
Amen. Thank you so much, Marilyn.
Really appreciate this time withyou and God bless you and all
that you do and to serve the Lord.
Thank you. So what a wonderful interview
that was with Marilyn. Harry, I hope you've been
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stirred and blessed and encouraged as we've explored
particularly the issues of healing.
So come on, let's do something with what we've been stimulated
to act on. And we look forward to hearing
great stories from across our churches of fresh things that
the Lord is doing through healing.
Well, thank you so much for joining us today.
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God bless you and thank you for tuning in and God bless all that
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you're doing.
Hello and welcome to this latestedition of the Healing Leaders
podcast. The likely that you tuned in
today. We have a great episode lined up
that is going to stir you aroundthe areas of spirit filled
ministry and healing. And in order to explore that,
we're going to speak to the welltraveled evangelist, Marion
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Harry, who has had the privilegeof leading many people to Jesus
over the years and praying for many people to know healing and
seeing some amazing things happen over that time.
So we're going to be looking forward to unpacking range of
issues and questions. Also, we have a wonderful
testimony sandwiched in the middle of this podcast today of
a healing that was given testimony about in one of our
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churches just a few months ago. And I'm sure you're going to be
greatly encouraged by that. So thank you once again for
tuning in. And here we go with the
interview with Marilyn Harry. That's a great joy today to
welcome one of my heroes, Marilyn Harry, who has been an
evangelist in Ealim for many years.
And she has traveled probably millions of miles around the
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nation and beyond, just bringingthe good news of the gospel,
helping people step into the baptism of the Spirit, helping
people find freedom in Christ, and helping people know the
healing power of God. Marilyn, it's great to have you
with us today. Thank you so much for taking
this time out to have this conversation.
Marilyn, are you encouraged at the moment by what you're
seeing? I'm really encouraged.
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I've just been saying we startedthe little church in the Welsh
valleys 18 months ago, couple ofus, but people are just walking
in and finding the Lord and you know, baptism soon as a couple
of weeks ago a lady give her life to Jesus.
First time in church she'd have been involved in the occult.
Couple of days later she got delivered, baptized in the Holy
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Spirit and she came with a little boy who was 15.
And anyway, that little boy saidhow that he'd been praying for
his mom for two years because he'd become a Christian when he
was searching through the Internet.
I'm ever so encouraged. Thank you, Jesus.
Amen. And do you sense a season
change? Marilyn, you've been preaching
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the gospel for years and you've always seen people find Christ.
But do you sense we're in a new moment now in the nation?
I do, I do. And I do think there are more
men coming in to church, there are more young people coming in
and the greater receptiveness. I do.
I really do. That's wonderful.
Marilyn, I want to talk to you about a range of topics today.
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I want to talk to you about spirit filled ministry.
I want to talk to you about healing.
But if I can just start at another place, and that is you
have been faithfully serving andministering and preaching the
gospel for years, and yet when Isit with you today, you have
exactly the same passion, enthusiasm, vision that you had
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all of those maybe 35 years ago when I used to sit in the car
with you as part of your team traveling up and down the
country. You still are overflowing with
passion for souls. How have you maintained that?
How have you kept that fresh fire burning in you over those
years, Marilyn? Well, I think it's the grace of
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God actually, and to be surrounded by good people as
well that I think that's a key. And obviously awoke with the
Lord. And both times of prayer is word
and fellowship. And also to have positive people
around you as well. And when times are tough that
you can have a chat with them and they can encourage you.
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But yeah, and I think that I'm very privileged because I'm
still able to preach the gospel.And when you see God touching
people, that's enough to lift anybody up.
I remember many of those car journeys.
You would say someone read the scriptures and we would in the
journey, we would read the Bibletogether while you were driving.
And those were very formational days for me to sit and to see
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the way that you fed your spiritin that way.
It was always a great inspiration, Marilyn.
And I think that's really set some things in place in my life
and I'm so grateful to you for that.
Over those years that you've been involved in ministry there,
there would be some tough times,wouldn't there?
First of all, like you are, you've been a woman in ministry
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when women haven't always been accepted ministry.
What's that been like for you? Do you know what?
I was so naive, really, it's allI knew was I had to call a God
in my life and God had called meto preach the gospel to Britain,
in Britain rather I should say no to Britain.
But The funny thing was in the days when I started off and it
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wasn't like that, the posh plastic cards.
Now that we are a little more ofa formal anyway, I found it
recently and for 10 years I had a credential which said here and
I would go to the meetings and they'd say we welcome the
brethren and Madeleine. But I was, I just knew God had
called me. And to be honest, I can say I've
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got great encouragement over theyears.
I've had those few bleeps. I remember I'd been about five
years in the ministry and a young couple came up to me and
said, Madeleine, we want to apologize you to you because I
was in Bible college with him, actually, because we really
believed you were out of the will of God that you should not
be as a woman preaching the gospel.
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And in those early days, somebody came to me particularly
with the Good News Bible. But it says about being women
being silent in the church. But I just knew I had this call
in my life, to be honest. And I had many encouraging
voices too. The level of resilience you've
shown over the years, Marilyn, not to become a fighter to these
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causes, but just to allow yourself to have a spirit.
It's almost T file really, that things just haven't seemed to
stick on you. Criticism hasn't stuck on it.
You've just kept faithful to thecall of God.
And that resilience is, is something that some commentators
are saying is missing in a lot of society today, that ability
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to keep going when times are tough.
What would you give as advice tosomeone that maybe it's feeling
the pressure of opposition or the pressure of failure and
there's an encouragement to themto find a new level of
resilience? How would you encourage them to
be resilient? I think the key factor actually
is our prayer life and speaking in tongues.
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I speak in tongues a lot and we do all have difficult times.
And I remember one particular time in the ministry, there were
two different groups of people who couldn't get on and I was in
the middle and I had to make a choice.
And I thought, Oh dear Lord Jesus, I haven't got to clear
what to do. The only thing that saw me
through was to spend time in worshipping the Lord and
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speaking in tongues. It like lifted me above it.
So I'm a really great believer in that, in prayer and speaking
in tongues, because we speak in mysteries to the Lord and he
gives us revelation, doesn't he?And also I think it's a key
factor as well to have some confidence with you.
We have all different type of friendships.
I'm very glad, delighted over the Lord.
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I'm not a married lady and I'm not delighted for that.
I can sing, but to have wonderful friends around me that
if I was having a tough day, I know I could call them, go to
visit them and have a chat with them.
So that's important as well, notto isolate ourselves.
And also when God has called us to know our personal calls from
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the Lord. We haven't got to be like
everybody else and I think all that just really helps us.
Really, I'm very simplistic in my zeal about it.
Simplistic but wise. And I always remember, I don't
know if you remember this conversation, but I believe when
I left school that God was asking me to come and work with
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you on your team. And my pastor at the time, it
wasn't an elim church. My pastor said I was too young
and you replied back and said ifhe's old enough to join the
Queen's army, he's old enough tojoin the King of Kings army.
And you've always been brilliantat capturing those simple but
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profound powerful statements. What could he say to that?
How could he respond? And so I came and joined and
signed up and it was a great privilege of my life to be
working with you and learning from you.
Marilyn. And I know that your background
before ministry, am I right? You're a midwife.
It was your general news and midwife and of course when I was
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a midwife, I don't know, Mark, have I ever told you this?
I saw an amazing miracle that I was a young midwife.
I was a sister on the labour ward and the baby was born one
day and the baby lived and then the baby died.
The doctor was there, the baby was resuscitated.
Everything was done to try to bring life back to the baby.
Nothing worked. So the baby was confirmed dead,
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covered over with his sheet. The parents were told the baby
had died and the doctor had written in the mother's notes
the death of the child and training with my responsibility
to actually come. Then I was, I remembered it to
this day because he was so profound one in the quarter.
I was later, I remember it was, and I went to the baby and I
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picked up, I took the sheet awayand I picked up this lifeless
little dead baby girl in my armsand she came a lies in my arms.
And that was like, Oh my gosh, that's amazing.
No, I can't remember ever praying for her.
It was just a miracle from heaven.
And they followed that little triad there for two years, and
she was intelligent, no problem whatsoever.
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Wow, and I love that you were a midwife and you have now spent
your life seeing people birth into the Kingdom.
I and I think of the New Testament disciples, some of
them being fishermen and then Jesus, I'm going to make you
fish as a man. God has enabled you to be
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someone involved in seeing many people birthed into the Kingdom.
As you reflect back over your ministry, Marilyn, what has been
some of the highlights of seeingGod at work in bringing people
into his family? Oh, it must be that old tent.
When I was in ministry in Birkenhead, there's Paul Acton,
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which is a wonderful start in life with me being with Pauline
Evelyn. And then my dad had an accident
and died. So I came back home to Travod
and I was in the church in Porthand I was playing with a group
of young people and this doesn'talways happen to me, but I had a
vision and in this vision I saw a big white tent.
In my heart I knew it would seat500 people and within about six
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weeks the Lord gave me a 500 seater tent, 500 chairs and a
team. And that really turned the
ministry. To be honest, the first time we
used it was with another evangelist, Maldwin.
We knew everything about tents. Very anointed to this day And we
went up to the valleys and with this 500 seats a tent brought 12
churches together, gave up 20,000 invitations and every
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night the tent was packed. And the first night I will never
forget 46 people coming to Jesus.
To be honest we didn't know whatwe were doing and I remember we
were totally unprepared. And so I remember I was looking
at the congregation and asking my friends will they come
forward and help the new converts.
And right from the start we saw the miraculous happen.
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I remember a little boy had comethat day and his little, his
eyes had tunes in his eyes and he was healed.
He went home and his daddy foundthe Lord.
So we always saw people healed, touched by God.
So for me, the tent was a major factor in the ministry.
And I've got lots of memories ofsome of those times in the
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tents. But every time I go to a summer
camp and I walk into a marquee, the smell brings me back to the
moment of all of those wonderfulmiracles that we've seen in
tents with you over the years. And you mentioned healings
there, and there was that miracle of that baby that you
refer to in when you were a midwife, the miraculous signs
and wonders. Healing has been a clear part of
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your ministry, Marilyn, over theyears.
And what was it like the first time that you began to pray with
the sick and advertise in the community?
Come to the tent. We're going to pray for the
sick. We're going to see healings.
Did you feel pressure at that time?
People's expectations come in toreceive a healing.
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How was that for you? Oh, my Keys was when I met with
Paul all those years ago. Paul really moved in the
miraculous when I travelled withhim.
First of all, before this happened, we always saw the
miraculous. And so that really, to be
honest, I didn't worry about that.
I worried more or less would anybody, Turner, if God, is
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anybody going to come? But it was simple faith really.
And we just prayed for people. We just prayed for people, not
just myself, because my heart isto be an equipment.
So it wasn't just myself. We just prayed for people.
By God's grace, we never saw everybody healed.
But if you pray for 10 people, you'll see more people healed
and you pray for five. I always have the thoughts of
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it's not my responsibility to heal other people, but I have
the privilege of coming before God and asking.
That's the attitude I take really.
I can't heal anybody. But what I I believe is that we
are in the modern church and themodern church, I love it all,
but there's one thing we cannot do without is the anointing.
We can have everything else, butit is the anointing in the
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presence of the Lord that bringsthe signs and wonders.
And where you've got the presence of the Lord, you will
always have signs and wonders. So there will be people
listening to this, that maybe it's been a while since they've
prayed for healing for people and maybe the complications
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around praying for people in thepast and not seeing them get
healed has impacted their confidence.
There might be all sorts of reasons why they've stopped.
But what would your encouragement be to them,
Marilyn, if they're listening tothis and thinking actually I
need to start praying for the sick again, what would be the
best tips and advice you could give them in order to help them
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start doing that? If it was in the church
situation, I would say let the people know they have
opportunity for ministry and it might be at the front of the
church or might be in a cycle orwhatever.
But to let the congregation know, I would say preach on
healing, preach on healing creature on the baptism of the
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Holy Spirit, raise expectation for me when I train people about
moving in these areas. And I know I'm speaking to a lot
of pastors and leaders now, so excuse me for this, but I always
encourage people to read again, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John,
the book of Acts like they've never read it before.
And then I mark my Bible. So everywhere Jesus healed
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people, I put AH, everywhere he delivered people, I put AD when
he healed them delivered, I put a HD.
But when I look at the ministry of Jesus, I notice he was
compassionate. He loved the people.
So I would say in the church, speak on healing, even if you're
a bit nervous, doesn't matter because there is AI believe
there's something about what youpreach you have.
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And so as a proclamation, I say preach on healing and then give
the people an opportunity, whether it's going to them one
to one, inviting them to the front of the meeting or maybe
you're having like a healing clinic or whatever and they
spent your time. But also I would say as well, if
there are people that are not well in the church, I'm sure
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they'd want you to pray for them.
So I, what I would say is, for example, if we pray in for
people on math and we pray one to one, how I would do it, I'd
say was nice to see you. You know exactly, you're not
very well. Would you like prayer?
Would you let me allow me to pray for you?
And then I would simply then pray for them and I'd ask them
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to be a good listener. That's very important.
And also when I pray for people,I never close my eyes.
There is a key in listening and looking because the eyes tell a
lot. So I would simply say ask the
person, would they allow you to pray?
And then simply I think to them,I don't say to be bringing the
look into your eyes, but I do. But I say or just look forward a
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moment and then I would look into the eyes and I did say it
was, for example, Lambie go. And then I would say Lambie go
in the name of Jesus, I command you to go.
Then I'd say to them, just closeyour eyes a minute, minutes,
lovely. And I just sense the presence of
the Lord over them. And if it was appropriate, not
pushing them, not forcing them, but if they couldn't move apart
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before, ask them if they could move apart because they're
actually movement is a big, big key as well to healing.
There's so much one pack there. First of all, I love that
reference healing and deliverance with H&D in the
Bible. I don't think you meant this.
HD is high definition and high definition ministry in the
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scriptures and yet the source ofthe scripture being our faith
building component. This can't happen without that
kind of. I try to read through Acts every
week. I find it stimulated.
I find it stirs my soul because there's so many elements in this
world and the cultures of this world that want to take us away
from understanding what God can do.
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So I love that. Get in the scriptures, preach on
it, love that. Marilyn, wait, if you're
preaching on healing, how do youhandle the the complexities
around and not everybody gets healed.
How do you incorporate that whenyou teach that?
Silly enough, I told on Healing yesterday twice and I always
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give the example of my mother. My mum had multiple strokes, was
paralysed and in bed for two years and I was very privileged
to look after her in a minor's cottage in the Rhondda.
So I always bring that. I always say I know some people
not here. My mum, she was bedridden and
multiple strokes and yet I friends and family would come
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and sit by my mum and I would goand take a service and I see
remarkable miracles and I said by my man, I cannot understand
it, it's beyond me. But that doesn't stop me from
praying. Yeah.
And Marilyn, one of the most biggest impressions that you
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made on my life was I remember we were doing a mission together
in Blackpool and there were incredible healings that were
taking place in the in these nightly meetings.
I think we were there for probably about a week.
There were incredible healings taking place.
And after every evening you drove back down to the Rhonda to
be with your mom that night. And the tension of seeing the
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incredible healings and the compassion and the love of
supporting someone through theirown illness really was a great
analogy for me of the tensions in what we're just demonstrating
here. So thank you for reminding me
and reminding us of that. So do you think some people stop
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preaching on healing because they've faced questions of
disappointment from people that have not been healed?
And it just feels like it's too risky to step out and to believe
that God can use them in healing.
Yeah, I'm sure that would be disappointment and
discouragement. But if you pray for 10 people,
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you'll see more here than you pray for five.
So keep on doing it. I do not see everybody healed.
Gentleman, his young wife with nearly beds, ridden for eight
months. And so they asked would I go to
their home and pray for her? At the moment I'm not great at
walking. I use a stick, my billet.
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He's poor. So I hobble to the house because
I couldn't park outside. I got to the house, the lady the
bed was downstairs, she was on morphine, multiple illnesses.
Doctor said you'll never get better.
Anyway we prayed for the lady, alovely lady.
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She gave out this incredible loud scream.
So much of the neighbor next door came and knocked the doors
was in the Rhonda now and asked with everything OK and then I
looked at her. Her complexion had totally
changed. She sat up, walked for the first
time and aided in eight months. Her husband was crying.
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She actually was so touched by the Lord, she and her husband
herself as well came and waved me off as I went and then I
hobbled with my stick back to the car.
Oh, I don't understand yet. Because they don't understand.
It doesn't matter that the minister of Jesus is preach the
gospel, heal the sick and speak freedom.
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Well, I hope you are enjoying this interview with Marilyn and
we're going to go back to it in a few more minutes.
But I wanted to break in here toshare a wonderful testimony that
a member of the Derby City Church shared a few months ago
with the congregation regarding a healing that she experienced
at the Elim Leadership Summit. I know you are going to enjoy
this. What an awesome God we serve and
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I'm so excited to share something that God's been doing
in my life this last month. I was born with a number of
genetic conditions. The couple that are relevant for
sharing this truth of God's workin my life.
I have a genetic condition that means I have constant joint
pain. My joints dislocate easily.
I was also born deaf. I then had meningitis when I was
nine years old, which took another toll on my hearing on
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the left side, and I found that really difficult to come to
terms with. I felt God was calling me to a
particular line of work that I thought was not going to be
possible if I was deaf. I hid my deafness that I was
ashamed of it. But God creates success.
We are for a purpose and being genetic.
Our children also born deaf and they spoke truth into my life
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and said you told us that we should be proud to be deaf.
They're wearing our bright coloured hearing aids.
Why are you hiding yours? So I got bright coloured hearing
aids and I learnt to sign and beautiful sign language and I
was welcomed into the deaf community and I was proud to be
deaf. 3 1/2 weeks ago I had the privilege of attending Elim
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Leaders Conference. Wonderful time away together.
If you ever get the chance to attend an Elim conference I
strongly recommend that you go. And on the Wednesday evening,
there was a praise worship partyand the person leading on the
stage said, if there are people here who need healing, then put
up your hand. And I needed healing.
My back was in so much pain, my wrist, I hadn't been able to
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move in six months. And that was a real disability
in communicating with my family and friends.
I couldn't sign. So I put up my hand.
I needed healing. I was in so much back pain.
And he said anyone with a hand up, just people either side,
just step alongside. And two people from this church
stepped alongside me other side.And Mark was declaring and me
liver diseases be healed me cancers be healed.
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I said, yes Lord, I'm here for my back pain and all of these
conditions. May heart conditions be healed
and lung infections be healed. I said yes Lord, please heal
those things. I'm here for my back pain.
And Mark said, and in the name of Jesus, may ears be opened.
I said no Lord, no, that's my deaf identity.
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And that quiet still voice. Really child, is that where your
identity is? No Lord hearing or deaf for you.
I was deaf and now I hear. Thank you Jesus.
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All glory to God and what an incredible journey this last
three weeks has been. My speech is clearer because I
can hear it. Alexa can understand me now when
I ask her to play worship music.I'm able to interpret the
service more faithfully for my children to understand it.
I served a street pastor shift on Friday evening and I could
hear what people were saying when I pushed my daughter in her
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wheelchair and she's talking. I don't have to stop and go
around to lip read. I can hear what my daughter is
saying. Thank you.
Thank you. And that has been just the most
incredible gift. And our daughter who will be
sick this month, she miraculously received the gift
of speech a year ago when the two people from this church
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prayed for her. She hasn't quite got used to
this yet. She still narrates life for me.
Mama Papa's just arrived home. I know I can hear the door now.
It's incredible, absolutely incredible.
And it's still a journey. It's still a journey.
I missed the gift of silence when I could take out my hearing
aids and the only voice I would hear would be God's.
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And there are things that I miss.
And yet by the grace of God, as well as healing my spoke of
communication, you'll say heal my sign language communication
at the same time, because I can move my wrist now and and I have
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peace that unless God wills otherwise, I will live in
physical pain the rest of my life.
Every day I still have back pain.
I'm grateful that it's less thanit was.
My back pain did reduce. That was what I was there for.
And I'm grateful that's reduced.And I have peace that God has
created me this way for a purpose so that his power may be
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displayed in in what I do, in the way that I live, whether
that is deaf or hearing. It is for Jesus whether I'm able
bodied will have arthritis, thatis for Jesus too.
And I ask just we we pray, give us Our Daily Bread.
Jesus. This is the bread of life.
I ask just just enough Jesus every day that I can get through
that day. There is a passage in Mark where
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Jesus has healed a person who's born deaf and unable to speak
and says at the end people were overwhelmed with amazement.
He, Jesus has done everything well.
They said He even makes the deafpeople able to hear and give
speech to those who can't speak.And I say yes and Amen, Jesus is
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the same yesterday, today and forever.
And the miracles that we saw poured out in the New Testament
are available for us here today.All glory to God, thank you
Jesus. What a wonderful testimony.
Thank you to Elizabeth for sharing that wonderful story
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with us all. Now, let's go back to the
remaining interview with Marilynand Harry.
I want to go back to some of that method.
You talked about how you pray for people and particularly the
eyes. You look into their eyes and the
lamp of the soul. Can you just help us?
Is this a spiritual discernment,Marilyn?
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When you're looking in their eyes, are you looking in their
eyes and asking the Holy Spirit to reveal something?
What's happening there? I tell you what's happened to me
some years ago now, I was ministering in the Ladies
Conference. There were about 60 ladies
there, and to be honest, it was over the weekend.
So I prayed for everybody exceptfor two ladies because they're
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Dalton Force footwear. The two ladies were stood at the
back and one looked obviously inpain.
So I just said, well have you come for prayer?
And the lady, she said, yeah, I wasn't going to because I've had
this terrible pain. I think it was, well see what
she is, she did a car accident and she did this terrible pain
in the back. I said, would you like me to
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pray for you? She said yes please.
So I just prayed in the name of Jesus.
Sciatic leaves be loose, be healed in Jesus name.
And nothing seemed to happen. And I had this thought and
sometimes when the Holy Spirit touches us it's a thought isn't
it? That's for me anyway, not that
every thought of the Holy Spirit.
And I had this thought. Look into her eyes.
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So I said, oh OK lovely. I said just look forward a
minute. I looked into her eyes and said
those same words. She felt in the flawed, in the
power of God. Now I don't always see things,
but sometimes I do. And I saw a spirit came out of
her tummy out through her mouth,and she was completely healed.
A couple of weeks later, a pastor friend of mine invited me
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to go to his home because the gentleman who lived in John G
Lake's house in America had cometo Wales and he was in that
home. And so he was telling us how the
John G Lake taught the healing technicians.
And we talked to Mark to look into the eyes, address the
sickness, and then have them to close their eyes and imagine the
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Holy Spirit flowing over them. I forgot that must be God.
So I do see more people healed when I do that.
So this is what I'm doing. So when I look into people's
eyes, I don't say to them, oh, I'm going to look into your
eyes. I just say, OK, lovely.
Just look forward a minute. Now, when I look, we look.
When you look into the eyes, you'll see a lot.
For example, I was ministering now a couple of days ago and the
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numbers of people came forward for prayer and I looked into
this lady's eyes and what I saw was trauma.
I do believe in medical care. We never tell people not to go
to the specialist, never tell people to come off medication.
But clearly than anything I saw,I get that with discernment.
I saw trauma so I played trauma.I break your power.
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Leave her now in Jesus name. The lady fell on the floor and
she wrote and count for ages. I don't know what happened to
her after, but when you look into the eyes, lots of different
things, you can see pain or different things.
You do have to be careful, of course, as well.
Sometimes you look into the eyesand you can see a demon.
A demon will pop up into your eyes.
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But sometimes as well, people's eyes are dark because they're on
heavy medication. Yeah.
So I find it a great always a help.
So I never shut my eyes when I pray for people and I, we do
something at home. You're called not at home in our
base in Ebbw Vale, called the Healing House.
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So people book appointments to come.
And I think sometimes we don't see so many people healed
because we rush it. So I want to encourage of any of
the pastors or leaders thought of maybe having an afternoon or
an evening particularly for praying for people and not
rushing it. So, for example, if I may, I was
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somewhere over there and that's what the church did.
They opened the church in the afternoon for people to come
from prayer. So we were able to take time
with them. And this lady came and she had
Crohn's disease for eight years.And anyway, I just played a
little prayer over her in the name of Jesus, be healed of
Crohn's disease. And I just had this thought.
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I said, oh, are you in a hurry? She said no, I said do you fancy
maybe not just going to sit herenow in the country to the church
I just rest in. I let the Lord touch you and so
she just sat there. We were there a little bit
longer and she started during that time.
We didn't pray through the game,but I went back to that church
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and the lady giggle testimony that when she was sat in the
presence of God in that church, she saw black this leave her
abdomen and she was completely healed of Crohn's disease.
Wow. Yeah, I, I think in today's
fast-paced world and our organized meetings and the busy
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agendas that we have, it is possible that we don't engage
enough time. Isn't it that we just quickly
see a line of 20 people at the front and we just quickly walk
down each line and pray for people and we do not give
sufficient time to discern what God is saying?
I'm really intrigued, Marilyn, when you were talking about that
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first occasion where you asked them to look forward and you
looked into the rise and you sawsomething, that gift of
discernment of that being something that was fairly new to
you at that point, Or is that something that's been developed
over a period of years? I didn't know it was a gift of
discernment. I just sort of thought.
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So I suppose it is really, isn'tit?
But it's I just sometimes have athought and I don't always see
things, but sometimes I do see things in the spirit.
So that's been to the long term really.
Like I just had a thought. Look at that lady's eyes.
And seeing a demon in people's eyes, I wonder if we could just
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look at that for a moment. Because I know there have been
sometimes in the ministry where it feels like I have a greater
awareness of the schemes of the enemy.
I remember there was one period of time in our church where it
felt like for a season that there were a whole bunch of
demonic influences in people's lives that have been hiding for
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years that were no longer able to hide.
And they just seem to be revealing themselves.
And there were multiple deliverances taking place on a
regular occasion. How over the years when you've
seen a demon, and is that a discerned thought?
I'm just thinking, if someone's listened to this, they've never
seen anything demonic. What?
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What does that look like? Is that an impression for you or
are you actually physically seeing something manifest in
their eyes? What is that like when you see a
demon? Sometimes it's like a
discernment and once you've seenit once, you'll always recognise
it again. But the demonic will never
manifest unless it's an option. That's why we can have people
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sat in our churches who are heavily demonised for years and
never feel uncomfortable. It's the anointing will bring it
up, but what happens sometimes with because the demonic always
wants to hide. He doesn't want to leave.
So what happens sometimes is it can put the people into a trance
where people's eyes that get glossed over is they're not
there. So what I would do in that case,
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I would find up the Spirit and say I find up that spirit in the
name of Jesus. And I don't believe you've got a
shouting born. It's very gentle to be honest.
And I pray. And then I would call the person
by name and I'd say so and so. I'm talking to you now, darling.
And they'd bring them back to themselves.
You've always been so caring about the dignity of the person
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as well. I've always been struck by the
compassion that you carry. And I do see online some people
that become very, very focused on deliverance ministry, and
sometimes it looks a little bit showy and a little bit
spectacular. And sometimes it feels like the
dignity of the individual is notbeing protected.
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How have you managed that over the years?
Because obviously you want someone to live free.
So that's driven by love. But the enemy does want to make
a show sometimes, doesn't he? And that can cause to be some
spectacular elements that can steal the attention away from
the authority of Christ. I believe so and also with
healing. Some people just excuse me
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saying it a show offs and but it's not about that.
It's all about Jesus. It's all about Jesus.
For example, a lady with us now a few weeks ago came to Jesus
out in your account and she responded to the gospel.
Then she went home with a terrible nightmare because
obviously it was a conflict. So what I did, I arranged to
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meet her with two other ladies and then in the private room we
gently prayed with her. So we didn't make a show.
I wouldn't make a show off somebody.
If somebody started to whatever manifest, I would just go over
and quietly stop it and then in the privacy pray for deliver it.
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Back on the subject of healing, if someone is saying OK, God, I
need your help in this, I'm not sure if I feel like I'm very
anointed. I'm not sure I feel like I've
got the experience to draw upon with confidence around praying
for the sick. How would you encourage them to
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take some steps forward in this regard in their life and
ministry? How do they get a deeper vein of
anointing or an awareness of anointing on their life?
How do they grow in faith and how do they start praying for
people more intentionally? I think #1 don't go by feelings.
Gosh, if you went by feelings, you'll never do anything.
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And remember, it's not our responsibility to heal.
I know that she said that. Preach the gospel.
Healers say that is Jesus is thehealer, not us.
And some of those were wonderfulat three and four people to be
healing their children because they're so full of faith for
children. So build up your faith by the
word of God. Also, if you know somebody
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that's in your area or you've got some friends that move in
the ministry of healing, why notsay, can I pop along and be part
of what you were doing? Because I know for myself over
the years I've learnt a lot by looking at how others did it.
And I thought, Oh yeah, I wouldn't do that again.
Oh yes, I will do that again. But I've learned such a lot and
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I still learning by watching andlistening to others.
So if there's someone near you that they move in the healing
ministry, why not go along and say, can I be part of it?
I love how Jesus trained the people, He trained his
disciples. I love her.
We did it, He taught them, He showed them how to do it.
He sent them out to do it and they reported back.
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Jesus sent them out two by two to preach the gospel, heal the
sick. So really it's our
responsibility as leaders to prepare a place in our churches
and ministry that is safe for people to learn.
So don't be afraid, just go ahead in Jesus name, be healed
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and don't worry about the demonic.
I already mentioned a little bitbecause it's part of healing.
I never got to hung up on that because whether it's a spirit or
whether it's a disease, Jesus name, easy answer.
So just simply pray in Jesus name be healed.
Beautiful. Just one final question.
You referenced earlier on about asking people to do something
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they couldn't do before they. Were applied.
Is that something that you ask in every situation, or is that
something that you discern that you should be asking them at
that time? I think I discern it.
For example, I preached on healing yesterday morning and
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there's a lovely lady who comes every week very faithfully no
matter the weather, in the motorized wheelchair.
So after I preached healing and the team came forward and they
were praying for everybody, I just went to the South by her
because I didn't want her to feel awkward and I wouldn't
dream of asking her to love her together and love her.
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She was so lovely and she was basically saying something like
the Lord knows my situation and I just was lovely with her.
I just went sat next to her. I didn't want her to feel
awkward. It's in other locations, like
for example, somebody come in with the foes and shoulder.
I would say no, I don't want youto stretch yourself, but never
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go. See if you could move your arm.
But I wouldn't force them to move their arm.
I have seen people coming out ofwheelchairs.
Quite a number come out to wheelchairs, but I wouldn't drag
people out to wheelchairs. So it's just a discernment
really. But there is something about
activation. Absolutely that is about
activation. It's a key and if you go through
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Matthew, Mark, look at your, you'll find time, the time, the
game, the activation, stretch your hand out.
So remember, the only time Jesusprayed for somebody twice the
man was blind and then he said, look up.
It's full of activation. What you've demonstrated there,
Marilyn, in that story from yesterday is that it's more
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important that we love the people and that we have
compassion and we understand andwe're caring and we're diligent
in our care of people, not just the person that with power for
the hour, but that we are peoplethat carry the love and the
compassion of Christ. Thank you for finishing this
short interview together with that illustration.
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I wonder before we go, would youjust pray for all our listeners
and would you pray that they will know the compassion of
Christ, that they'll grow in faith and will grow in the
anointing? I don't know if you heard me say
a few months ago, people in Needham have often known they
have a history, but they've not always known they have an
inheritance. And I believe that there's an
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inheritance in our movement of seeing signs and wonders and
healing that we are to reactivate and step into where
we've laid it down. So would you just pray that God
will do something fresh in our hearts as you pray for us?
Dear Lord Jesus, we love you ever so much.
And Lord, it's been such an honour to chat with Mark today.
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And Lord, I pray now for all thefolks that will be listening to
this podcast, that they will be encouraged, be uplifted, and
that Lord, that there will be a fresh wind of the miraculous and
healing and signs and wonders throughout the healing movement
in this day, in our day, and even further afield.
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Father, I pray for faith to arise for the impossible.
I pray, Lord, for confidence to be able to have confidence,
Lord, that we can lay hands on the state and see them.
We can in Jesus name and just pray Father, for those of us
like myself even we need more and more confidence in different
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situations we're facing. I just pray your blessing Lord
on every listener in Jesus name,Amen.
Amen. Thank you so much, Marilyn.
Really appreciate this time withyou and God bless you and all
that you do and to serve the Lord.
Thank you. So what a wonderful interview
that was with Marilyn. Harry, I hope you've been
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stirred and blessed and encouraged as we've explored
particularly the issues of healing.
So come on, let's do something with what we've been stimulated
to act on. And we look forward to hearing
great stories from across our churches of fresh things that
the Lord is doing through healing.
Well, thank you so much for joining us today.
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coming up in the weeks and months ahead.
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