June 9, 2025 • 31 mins
June is Men’s Mental Health Month—and this episode is one we hope every dad hears.We sat down with Tanner Manwaring from Anew Therapy to talk about one of the most groundbreaking tools in modern mental health treatment: ketamine therapy. We dig into how it works, why it’s changing lives (especially for men struggling with depression and suicidal thoughts), and what you should know before ever walking into a clinic.This isn’t just a conversation—it’s a call to reimagine how we approach men’s mental health with tools, not shame.🎯 Topics We Cover:What ketamine therapy actually isHow it helps with treatment-resistant depression and PTSDWhy men struggle to seek help—and how new therapies are changing thatPersonal stories, fatherhood reflections, and the power of intention🧠 Whether you’ve tried therapy before or never considered it, this episode is for the guy who's tired of white-knuckling life.👇 Check out Anew Therapy:https://www.anewutah.comInstagram: @anewtherapy👥 Join our free community of faith-filled dads:Rooted in Brotherhood → https://www.facebook.com/groups/282732511309028/📲 Follow us on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/fatherhood_unscripted/🎧 Subscribe for new episodes every Monday. We see you, dads.
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Today's episode might change howyou think about mental health,
especially if you felt like nothing works.
We sat down with Tanner Man Wearing from a new therapy to
talk about ketamine treatment. Yep, ketamine.
It's helping. Guys with depression, PTSD, and
even suicidal thoughts fast. We break down what it is, how it
works, and why more men need to know about it.
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This one's raw, real, packed with stuff most people aren't
talking about, and hey, if this.Episode speaks to you.
Do me a favour, download it, share it with a friend and make
sure you're following the show so you don't miss what's coming
next. Let's get into it.
And so we we like to ask a question, What are you doing in
life right now that makes you happy?
Man, oh, hopefully a lot of things.
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So try to try to make myself happy every day, right?
But I really like enjoy like exercising, getting outdoors,
obviously like spending time with my kids and family and love
that kind of stuff. I mean, I, I love the work I do
that makes it easy. So that's really nice.
But plenty of plenty of things. So you work for a new therapy.
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So I'm kind of what we're havingyou guys on this month for
everyone listening, you guys do know that we're we're going hard
on the men's mental health side of things this month because it
is June and we do care a lot about that.
We want to see things broken offof that side of things for so
with the new what? Do you guys do?
Oh, with a new therapy, what we do is so which want to be like a
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comprehensive mental health clinic, right?
So we have lots and lots of different options, medication
management, mental health medication.
We have therapy involved. We have IV and I am ketamine
treatments, bravado treatments, TMS treatments.
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We branch out even into taking care of like weight loss and
other another like just kind of general health stuff too.
We're just always like looking to add things to like enhance
health and mental health. They're all connected, right?
And so and just any way we can get people to take care of
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themselves, feel better, feel the way they should.
Nice. I know one of the main reasons
we brought you on here is to speak about ketamine therapy.
So for someone hearing ketamine therapy for the first time, can
you kind of what is it? How does it actually help like
with depression and? So I think when you hear
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ketamine therapy the first time you got a couple different
reactions. 1 is what the heck like that's like like drugs,
right? Like, yeah, I mean there's,
there's things we have to be careful with.
So it is a little bit scary or, you know, hear stories.
Thankfully that's what we're hearing a lot more of is like
stories of other friends and family or people that have used
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ketamine therapy for like a treatment resistant depression
or going through a hard time trying to get back on top of
things. And like, so we love that, love
it when you come in with those like thoughts and like a success
story, right? That, But I mean, so, so
ketamine's an old medication, been around for a long, long
time, used to in like sedation for, you know, anesthesia, that
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kind of stuff, right? Notice that even in small doses,
we get a really rapid response for depression, anxiety, PTSD
type stuff. And like that, that we get to
reach places that we haven't before.
Traditional mental health medication, it takes a long time
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to kind of get working if we found the right thing, right?
So higher success rates with that really quickly.
One of those things, you know, of course, you're talking about
men's mental health, men's mental health and like suicide
prevention, I think go hand in hand, right?
And so like kind of mean therapyhas been one of the things that
we've seen rapidly help somebodywho might be in a in a kind of
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dangerous situation with, with suicidal ideations and maybe
avoid like the hospitalization and those kinds of things too
sometimes. Yeah, we know.
So we have the, we're kind of buddies with the dad bods and
beards guys. And Logan, he actually has done
ketamine therapy in the past. So when you guys reached out to
us, we didn't know anything about it.
And we talked to them. He's like, Oh yeah, yeah.
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He's like, it's good stuff. Good.
So you got the, you got the goodexperience perspective so far.
I mean, there's, it's, it's scary like there's, there's kind
of Wild West kind of things out there.
We were just talking yesterday with like a clinic that we work
with just a, a family clinic, right.
And they are very careful about who they, like refer people to
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because, you know, you can go out there and get some
treatments that like you can go on the Internet and get some
treatments, right? Like that's a little bit scary,
right? And so we'll add a new, what
we've really made a point of is like very controlled, want to
make sure that we've got you in the right setting with the right
people, the right like, you know, we're keeping you safe.
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OK, Obviously number one, alwaysright.
And then like set and setting and having like the right place
to do with this. I've heard horror stories like
it's amazing how helpful ketamine is compared to some
other things sometimes, right? But I've heard the horror
stories too from patients who'vehad bad experiences.
So like we're trying to get likea good set and setting.
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And I really think that's important for people is to, you
know, we're putting in a in a vulnerable place with that kind
of treatment and it's been superimportant to have the right
place and so safe. What kind of you know, well, how
long has you have you guys been doing as a company?
So we've been doing it over the last several years, really
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refined the process and like getting the best patient
experience there. So I did like take it to the
next level like I said, especially with like a good like
serene setting setting. I think that really helps very
clear dosing schedules that justkind of get people the right
results. Really, like I said, trying to,
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one thing we've really increasedour focus on over the last six
months, especially is, is just agood monitoring schedule and
like we used to be pretty focused on just ketamine
therapy, right? Like that was kind of where we
started. But noticing like, you know,
bringing in other tools, what can we do to like make a plan,
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right? One thing I, you know, 1-1 maybe
downside for me sometimes with patients and ketamine is it's,
it's quick, it's fast, we get a short term relief.
Sometimes it's too short, right?And so I'm always looking at
like, hey, if we're going to like build traction here, what
can we do to like keep it movingforward, right?
It's never been a good measure in mental health.
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This is one of my like, it's oneof my soapbox maybe with like
mental health and especially andthen then fall into this just as
much as anybody else, right? The measure unfortunately, like
psychiatry, which is kind of what I practice, right?
The measure in psychiatry has been the same in like medicine
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there where like we give you an antibiotic, we get rid of the
bad, we did it, right? That's what we're saying is we
did it right. No, that's not going to work.
We got to, we got to go further than that, right?
And so, you know, we love like treatments like kidding me,
because I really do like push usfurther than that, like into
Wellness. And that's where we want to go
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to like have sustainable results, right?
Yes, it's, it's true. Me having ADHD, like I've been
ADHD and then in the past depression like it's, it's you
go to a psychiatrist, they give you medication, talk about it
for a second and then send you on your way and oh, we'll check
on you in a couple months to seehow the medication is going, if
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we have to up the dose or lower the dose.
And that's kind of why I've mixed psychiatry and psychology
because like, I'll go to a counselor and we can talk about
the things and then, you know, if I do need medication, which I
do for my ADHD, then like I'm taking the medication from the
psychiatrist. But like you said, just, it has
to be all about Wellness. Otherwise, like, sure, drug
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might have a quick like fix in the moment, but it's not fixing
everything that's maybe causing all of the mental issues.
So yeah, I I Wellness has definitely got to be key for
sure. You touched on something that I
that I try to touch with, especially with men already hard
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to get them in the door to like take care of any of this.
I'd be the worst one of us, likeno matter what, right?
Like I know the most, I'd be theworst one.
I'd be the worst patient becauseI probably know too much to be
the right patient, right? That might be it, but let's talk
about this like concept of tools, like I love tools.
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I'm going to go to the mood likeI'm if you can send me to Home
Depot to grab a tool. I'm I don't care if I'm going to
use it once I'm going to use it,I'm going to buy a new tool,
right? Love it.
But like, that's what these things are like.
We're always looking for tools. Like it's not there.
There's nothing that's going to take your work out of it.
Like that's it's that's true. That's true mental health, it's
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true of diabetes, right? Like I can give you diabetic
medication, you're still going to have to work on it, right?
Like it's not it's not going to do with that much I mean mental
health, sorry, probably even a little more that way, right.
But these are all tools, medication, therapy, you know,
all these things we're always looking for more tools the
cooler the tool is, the more youknow, more helpful it is.
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You know, the more, the more my man brain tends to be like
impressed by it, by the way. But yeah, we're always looking
for like something more, you know, more pointed to do the
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Back to the show. Can you can you walk us through
what like a typical kind of in therapy session looks like?
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Yeah, yeah. So I mean, with the with
ketamine treatment, we're bringing you in, we're prepping
you. So first thing we do is
actually, you know, of course we're not just saying you did
not just call us and say, Hey, we want we want ketamine, right?
All right, just come on in. That's where we get scary.
No, So coming in, you sit down with with a provider like me, or
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we have a couple other providersthat that are working with
people. We're doing a full evaluation.
I'm starting top to bottom. I want to know everything in the
history, what you've done, like you know, where where we're at
with it. Want to make sure this is a
first of all, a good fit, right,that this is going to be
something that's helpful for you.
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You know that that cost money, that cost time.
Like like there's lots of there's lots of like things that
are there, like want to make sure you've got the right thing
right. If you're going to invest your
time and money, especially as a as a, you know, a dad and
there's a man like we have time to time is money like in wave
too many ways, right. And so, you know, make sure you
got the right thing and and you know that there's nothing else
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we can do to like make sure we're like I said, we want a
comprehensive treatment plan. Ketamine is not just not just
that, right. So anyways, once we've done
that, recommended the treatment you're coming in or
recommending, you know, some fasting just cause some nausea,
that kind of stuff. So you get some anti nausea
medication. We do and there's several like
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types of ketamine therapy. The most, the gold standard is
IV and I am so intramuscular injection.
We do intramuscular injection and so you get an injection with
with the ketamine dosage you're going to start to fill just so
she did maybe a little floaty, that kind of stuff.
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A little bit of sedation lasts about 3 minutes and actually we
give you a second injection at 30 minutes.
We also have the availability with, with patients.
We're not like to, to bring in somebody a therapist trained
with like ketamine assisted therapy.
Like I said, we're putting you in like a soft vulnerable spot
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that can be really, really productive, that can be really,
really helpful. It can be really, really scary.
Therapist has helped with both of those things and everything
in between, right. So having having a, a, a
therapist trained with like Kennedy assisted therapies.
Great. One of the providers we talked
to at this like family health clinic the other day was like,
well, you know they, they do some treatments like in the
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office, right and they're like, well how do we have to do
anything? They're just kind of like sleepy
the whole time. And our therapist, Carolyn, who
is, was like, no, there's so much to do.
Like even if they like feel likethey can't really respond right,
Just like being there is like grounding person is like super
important, that kind of stuff, right?
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And so, yeah, we do those treatments.
Usually treatments overall last about an hour and a half hour,
45 minutes usually. Sometimes we plan like 2 hours
to your first treatment just to make sure we've got the time to
make sure you're fully recovered, right?
We have a really cool system. I failed to mention maybe at the
1st that like monitors your vital signs the whole time.
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So it goes on your finger. It's going to monitor your blood
pressure and you have a couple options.
You know, you have somebody in the room with you.
Like I said, a therapist in there.
One of our therapists is fantastic, just a companion,
whatever it is. Then we're kind of monitoring,
of course, the whole time, making sure everything's going
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the right way. And then when we were asking
people not to drive for the restof the day, that like the life
in your system of kind of means really short.
So it kind of wears off. Definitely asking people to go
home, be reflective, that kind of stuff.
At very minimum during those treatments, we're giving
patients a, a journal, a kind ofhandcrafted a, a, a journal.
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We asked people coming in with intentions, that kind of stuff
to like, you know, make sure that like we're, we're, we're,
we're making this productive foryou, right?
We noticed early on that we had a few patients that would come
in and just like just kind of infor the experience, right?
Like I want to feel better is about the intention they've got
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right. But we've noticed that, you
know, if we add intention work to this, there's people come in
with more to have a better experience.
We put, we go the right direction, you know, and, and,
and many people, like you said, can guide themselves the right
direction. We have those, those, those
trained therapists that help, you know, also do that kind of
stuff too. Yes.
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So we get to get a journal and throughout those usually with
with a like course of Canadian treatment, you know, one
treatment is helpful, we found, but like usually a course of
like 6 on your symptoms recommend something like every
like two to seven days for thosetreatments, right.
So, so you're more severe patients that just, we've got
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to, we've got to stop you from going to the hospital.
I recommend we stick closer to that, like to every two days.
And then, you know, and then with like, you know, our
patients that are just, we're, we're just trying to make some
progress, right? And, and that's the, the cool
thing about cutting in is we've seen benefit for about, you
know, anyone from, you know, really severe trying to prevent
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a hospitalization to keep you safe to like, I want to lose
weight, right? And I want to like guide my
intentions that way. Like we've seen productivity
that way. A lot of rimage is great too.
Nice. Yeah, that's very thorough,
which is which is good. Which feels like it needs to be
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like you said, there's the wild,Wild West where people are just
giving it and not caring about the entire well-being of
somebody. So I kind of like the whole
journal that you guys do too, tojust be reflective, be aware of
what's happening with your body.That's the thing too.
Like if you're like not every drug is going to work for every
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person. So if you're not reflecting,
you're not thinking about how I'm feeling, then like you're
just taking it to take it and like it could be helping you,
could not be helping you. But that reflection is
important. Can you tell us of like 1
success story that sticks in your mind of somebody that's
gone through the therapy and it's really helped?
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Yeah, yeah. Gosh, let me narrow it down.
And I see this all the time and the patients come in, in the
door, just nothing's worked, right?
Like we, they've been dealing with this for years.
And I mean, get to those like traditional, like especially
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like the antidepressant medication treatments that are
just like, I've been through 5, right?
Really feels like we're beating a dead horse here sometimes,
right? And walk in the door and just
feel I'm a little hopeless sometimes too, right?
Where it's like there's, there'snothing missing, just like
there's nothing that works for me, right?
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And then, you know, getting, getting into the course of
treatments. One thing I maybe should have
mentioned is we were talking about, you know, how a treatment
goes. As I always mentioned, think of
these like 6 treatments as one, right?
Yeah, you're going to come into each individual treatment with
like different intentions and, you know, then, you know,
treating them kind of each individually.
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But the course of treatment as one is also like something to
view, right? And, you know, so yeah, as, as
we watch them, what we, another thing we do with this is like
carefully monitor like differentscoring right throughout it, you
know, so just personal scoring on like depression inventory,
anxiety inventory, even like trauma inventory type stuff,
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right. It's really fun to watch those
scores just do this right? Like kind of knocking down.
Yeah. It's what makes me like go home
at the end of the day and want to go back tomorrow.
That's awesome that you see thatbecause I mean, you mean you can
get into a thing where it's like, well, if you don't see
anything happening, you're like,what the heck we doing this for?
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I do feel like that's why a lot of people don't go or seek out
this kind of thing because they are in such a bad place in life
where they're like, well, nothing works.
So I'll just, you know, kind of end things, which is
unfortunate, but that's it's really cool you guys are out
there and like, it's, it's a newer thing.
Like I know you said, it's been a while for a while, but like
it's, it's now coming out to be a newer thing, a bigger thing,
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which is awesome. In this space, it's definitely,
you know, it's definitely, I mean, I think the failures with
traditional treatment has this forced us to look for new
options, right? And thankfully they're they're
coming that they seem to be likeemerging, right.
I mean, like I said, all these things we're looking at, we do
that. I am kind of mean.
It's been great. Biggest, biggest pitfall is like
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we can't get insurance to cover it, right?
It's a little bit cost prohibitive sometimes, right?
But then there's bravado. So we're looking to ask
ketamine, similar kind of ketamine, it's a nasal
administration. When you've tried a few things,
your insurance will usually cover it, right?
Then we're looking at like TMS therapy.
That's called transcranial magnetic simulation.
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You get to like we were we're putting a magnet over the area
of your like depression, anxiety, center of your brain.
One thing we've seen maybe with with mental health in general is
rational and irrational brain just don't like to talk to each
other anymore In, in healthy brains, they, you know, they're
doing their job. I think anybody who's
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experienced maybe like ongoing depression, anxiety, those kinds
of things can really like hear it like that brain's going nuts.
And there's that rational brain kind of sitting in the corner
being like, can we stop, right, Please, like point this in a
definite direction, but it's just, it's not connecting,
right? And that's really like the
transformation I've seen with a lot of these treatments.
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And like I, I, I like to call them interventional or
neuroplastic treatments because they're, they're different in
those ways, right? And so is that like we feel like
we start to see it plugged back in.
I can't stop life. Like it's just, there's no, no
such thing. If I had a medication like that,
I'd be absolutely, you know, I'dbe so rich you wouldn't even
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know it, right? But that, But like what what I
can do with these and what what I think is successful in pushing
us kind of out of that. Like we talked about that space
with medication where you just kind of feel like not bad, but
not good, right? This, this we pushed out of that
space because we're able to likeget your rational brain working
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so that, you know, OK, when, when life comes in, when the
things come in, the stressors come in, the things you've
experienced in the past that might not be so hot come in.
They can flow through and my rational brain can actually like
process them and say, here's what we're going to do about it
and we do it right. And I think that that is what we
need. Like like, like I said, we've
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been able to see it in like scans of the brain.
But like, it also sure makes a lot of sense as far as like what
works for treatment, right? And that's cool because like,
like you said it, it just with the two side of the brains are
battling. You really don't see that
because like with DJ and myself going through depression for
years, like we're finally starting to see like I'm for me
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especially, I can kind of see like, OK, I'm, I'm having a bad
day. I can kind of like step back and
be like, all right, well, what are we doing?
And kind of started to like put things together.
Like recently I've kind of like figured out I've got a little
bit of social anxiety, but it took all this time to like kind
of figure that out instead of just just to, you know, like are
my baby Bradley. But it's cool to see that that
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can help do that quickly, you know, because there are a lot of
people, like I said, it's, it's sometimes it's a, it is to get
people in treatment quickly because sometimes they're at
that point where they're like, Ijust don't know what to.
Do right. Well, I, I think you know one
thing you know, brick tying thismay be back to like how this
applies to like men's mental health.
I think we're all just like you,you, you, you sit down and want
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to put me on like an on any medication.
Like I said, I'm probably bad because I know too much, right?
And I don't know, maybe I've seen it all to seeing too many
things that you know happen, right?
But I think regardless, just menin general, like I'm tougher
than that. Like I don't need a medication.
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I don't need a therapist, I don't need a right.
And I think the cool thing aboutthese newer treatments is they
come with less baggage, right? They come with less like, less
like admitting defeat, right? They feel, they feel more like
tools than medication sometimes feel like a tool, right?
Like I can use it. I can repair things.
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I can get myself in the right space.
And so, you know, I think that, you know, men gravitate towards
towards, you know, stuff like that too, with our kind of
stubbornness sometimes. Yeah, I know.
That is definitely been. So I was diagnosed with ADHD
right before I turned 30. So I didn't I I just thought
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this is how everybody's brain worked and everybody had these
struggles. So like that, that stubbornness
of like I could tell something wasn't completely right with my
brain. Like I was like, there's
something different. There's something going on.
I don't know what it is. I get frustrated too easily.
Like I told my wife this like ow, wow, like something's wrong
with my brain. And this went on for the first
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couple years of our marriage. And she's like, after working
with kids with ADHD, she was like, I am pretty sure you have
ADHD, you need to go get tested.And it's like until like things
get really bad because until I didn't get tested until we had
her our first donate when he wasborn, like everything came like,
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you know, when you have a newborn, everything is like, I
get all blown up. You're like, you're not sleeping
and things are, you know, getting chaotic.
And so this everything just kindof collapsed and she was like,
you need to go get tested, you know, whatever.
And it took a moment like that to finally push DJ to go get the
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the help that he needed. So I can attest how stubborn we
can be when it comes to our own brains and our own bodies.
Like, we just don't want to see the signs.
We just want to. Everything is fine.
I'll just, I'll push through. Yeah.
So. Yeah, I can, I can like kind of
get on the train with you there.Like I've dealt with ADHD my
whole life as well. And so like, I know, I know it
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like, and I and I talked to, youknow, people and then about this
all day long, right? Like my, it's my job to like sit
down and then talk about this stuff, right?
So I can walk through the door at home and be like, that's all
gone. Like, and that's just, I mean,
I'm really good with the, with the especially on the ADHD side
of like I can see other people'sthings.
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Like it's maybe the superpower that I've got with ADHD, like
makes me good at my job, right? But my own stuff so blind, so
blind, just incredibly blind, right.
Like I've told my wife, you know, I sometimes I just need
you to tell me like, hey, get your crap together, right,
Please. Like, and, and you know, of
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course, my, my initial like ADHDreaction is I try this together,
leave me alone, right? Like, but you know, I, I
finally, and maybe my, my age, I've learned to like, you know,
take 10 seconds after that and say like, oh, you're, she's
right. My, my crap's not together.
Not using any of those things I teach people every day, right?
And yeah, I, I, I get that. It's it's hard to admit.
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So as we are kind of getting to time here, if somebody is
looking to, you know, learn moreand start ketamine therapy, what
is the what do they need to lookfor?
And obviously you guys do it, but if they're not close to you
guys. Like I said, come back and touch
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on like get somebody who cares. But I mean, that that's what
you're looking for if we can. That's hard to define exactly
right. But I mean, I think everybody's
got a good gut, right? If you walk in there, if you try
to do this and you, you, you feel good about it, that's a
good sign. That's a good sign.
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I'm always looking for setting setting right, Like I said, we
we have like individual rooms. We give you space, right?
We want you to feel calm and serene as this guided.
Do they have other options for me?
Right. It doesn't.
Does it seem thoughtful? You know, like I said, maybe
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healthcare in general, but like mental health, like look for the
care right. I think that's where we've made
a difference. I talked sometimes too with I
don't know why this comes to mind so often for me.
We've noticed with many, many different treatments, especially
in the mental health field, thatthe person doing the treatment
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matters. And it's probably a good thing
when I think about this every day, right?
The person doing the treatment matters.
You have a better outcome if youfeel like you have the right
person doing the treatment, right?
And so the right person, the right setting, you know, you
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feel safe, right? Feel like like some, somebody's
there to help. I mean, hopefully, I think
that's easier to find them hard,right?
I think it's easier. I hope there's there's many,
many people out there with the right intentions, but also be
careful. Well, that kind of put a stigma
on it because like you're going in the other bad person doing
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it, you're like, well, this kindof sucked.
And then they just don't like having therapy at all.
And they're like, oh, I'm not going back to that.
Yeah, Well, I mean, I think in psychiatry, we've done ourselves
a disservice that way sometimes,right?
Just it's been, it's been too disconnected and it's, you know,
we've caused our own problems. And hopefully, you know,
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hopefully there's many of us here to try to repair that
stigma and get back on top of it.
Well, if they want to. Oh, sorry.
If they want to see more about what you guys do, if they want
to connect with the new, where can they find you guys?
So obviously you can find us online a new therapy and just
just Google the name. We have some some Instagram
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content. Ashlyn, who's our like CEO slash
social media. She makes me do like TikTok type
stuff that is not me that is. But if you want to look and you
want to see me look kind of foolish, it's a fun place to go.
But also we get it's foolish, but it's a good way.
We give a lot of good information through there too.
(29:43):
So I love that. But so Instagram, social media,
we can keep up with us there. We're always just trying to
share things that are helpful tothe the people we treat and
everyone in general to. Awesome.
Yeah. Well, I just want to first, you
know, say thank you for coming on.
Thank you for giving really goodinsights because obviously,
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yeah, we should break the stigmaand if it's going to help
somebody like that's that's the first step.
So I definitely appreciate you coming on.
No problem, appreciate you guys for having me.
Yeah, for anybody to listen for,we all you guys know we love
you. And if you guys are carrying
that mental load of just depression or mental health
issues right now, look in Academy therapy.
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It's new, it's it sounds really good and it's helping a lot of
people. So just saying that.
At the very least reach out. Like I said, one of the best
routes to this is here, you know, a success story from a
friend, family member, whoever it is.
So just reach out. Like I know you guys have a
community that you keep up that kind of stuff.
(30:48):
Just just reach out and and if you're if you're the friend,
reach out, find somebody to reach out to, just one person,
have a conversation. That's all it takes just to get
it started. What's up?
Cool. Well, thank you, Sir.
Everyone, listen, we'll see you guys the next episode.
We love you. There's all, yes.
Please.
Today's episode might change howyou think about mental health,
especially if you felt like nothing works.
We sat down with Tanner Man Wearing from a new therapy to
talk about ketamine treatment. Yep, ketamine.
It's helping. Guys with depression, PTSD, and
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(00:20):
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next. Let's get into it.
And so we we like to ask a question, What are you doing in
life right now that makes you happy?
Man, oh, hopefully a lot of things.
(00:43):
So try to try to make myself happy every day, right?
But I really like enjoy like exercising, getting outdoors,
obviously like spending time with my kids and family and love
that kind of stuff. I mean, I, I love the work I do
that makes it easy. So that's really nice.
But plenty of plenty of things. So you work for a new therapy.
(01:06):
So I'm kind of what we're havingyou guys on this month for
everyone listening, you guys do know that we're we're going hard
on the men's mental health side of things this month because it
is June and we do care a lot about that.
We want to see things broken offof that side of things for so
with the new what? Do you guys do?
Oh, with a new therapy, what we do is so which want to be like a
(01:29):
comprehensive mental health clinic, right?
So we have lots and lots of different options, medication
management, mental health medication.
We have therapy involved. We have IV and I am ketamine
treatments, bravado treatments, TMS treatments.
(01:49):
We branch out even into taking care of like weight loss and
other another like just kind of general health stuff too.
We're just always like looking to add things to like enhance
health and mental health. They're all connected, right?
And so and just any way we can get people to take care of
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themselves, feel better, feel the way they should.
Nice. I know one of the main reasons
we brought you on here is to speak about ketamine therapy.
So for someone hearing ketamine therapy for the first time, can
you kind of what is it? How does it actually help like
with depression and? So I think when you hear
(02:32):
ketamine therapy the first time you got a couple different
reactions. 1 is what the heck like that's like like drugs,
right? Like, yeah, I mean there's,
there's things we have to be careful with.
So it is a little bit scary or, you know, hear stories.
Thankfully that's what we're hearing a lot more of is like
stories of other friends and family or people that have used
(02:53):
ketamine therapy for like a treatment resistant depression
or going through a hard time trying to get back on top of
things. And like, so we love that, love
it when you come in with those like thoughts and like a success
story, right? That, But I mean, so, so
ketamine's an old medication, been around for a long, long
time, used to in like sedation for, you know, anesthesia, that
(03:14):
kind of stuff, right? Notice that even in small doses,
we get a really rapid response for depression, anxiety, PTSD
type stuff. And like that, that we get to
reach places that we haven't before.
Traditional mental health medication, it takes a long time
(03:35):
to kind of get working if we found the right thing, right?
So higher success rates with that really quickly.
One of those things, you know, of course, you're talking about
men's mental health, men's mental health and like suicide
prevention, I think go hand in hand, right?
And so like kind of mean therapyhas been one of the things that
we've seen rapidly help somebodywho might be in a in a kind of
(03:57):
dangerous situation with, with suicidal ideations and maybe
avoid like the hospitalization and those kinds of things too
sometimes. Yeah, we know.
So we have the, we're kind of buddies with the dad bods and
beards guys. And Logan, he actually has done
ketamine therapy in the past. So when you guys reached out to
us, we didn't know anything about it.
And we talked to them. He's like, Oh yeah, yeah.
(04:18):
He's like, it's good stuff. Good.
So you got the, you got the goodexperience perspective so far.
I mean, there's, it's, it's scary like there's, there's kind
of Wild West kind of things out there.
We were just talking yesterday with like a clinic that we work
with just a, a family clinic, right.
And they are very careful about who they, like refer people to
(04:42):
because, you know, you can go out there and get some
treatments that like you can go on the Internet and get some
treatments, right? Like that's a little bit scary,
right? And so we'll add a new, what
we've really made a point of is like very controlled, want to
make sure that we've got you in the right setting with the right
people, the right like, you know, we're keeping you safe.
(05:03):
OK, Obviously number one, alwaysright.
And then like set and setting and having like the right place
to do with this. I've heard horror stories like
it's amazing how helpful ketamine is compared to some
other things sometimes, right? But I've heard the horror
stories too from patients who'vehad bad experiences.
So like we're trying to get likea good set and setting.
(05:25):
And I really think that's important for people is to, you
know, we're putting in a in a vulnerable place with that kind
of treatment and it's been superimportant to have the right
place and so safe. What kind of you know, well, how
long has you have you guys been doing as a company?
So we've been doing it over the last several years, really
(05:49):
refined the process and like getting the best patient
experience there. So I did like take it to the
next level like I said, especially with like a good like
serene setting setting. I think that really helps very
clear dosing schedules that justkind of get people the right
results. Really, like I said, trying to,
(06:10):
one thing we've really increasedour focus on over the last six
months, especially is, is just agood monitoring schedule and
like we used to be pretty focused on just ketamine
therapy, right? Like that was kind of where we
started. But noticing like, you know,
bringing in other tools, what can we do to like make a plan,
(06:31):
right? One thing I, you know, 1-1 maybe
downside for me sometimes with patients and ketamine is it's,
it's quick, it's fast, we get a short term relief.
Sometimes it's too short, right?And so I'm always looking at
like, hey, if we're going to like build traction here, what
can we do to like keep it movingforward, right?
It's never been a good measure in mental health.
(06:52):
This is one of my like, it's oneof my soapbox maybe with like
mental health and especially andthen then fall into this just as
much as anybody else, right? The measure unfortunately, like
psychiatry, which is kind of what I practice, right?
The measure in psychiatry has been the same in like medicine
(07:13):
there where like we give you an antibiotic, we get rid of the
bad, we did it, right? That's what we're saying is we
did it right. No, that's not going to work.
We got to, we got to go further than that, right?
And so, you know, we love like treatments like kidding me,
because I really do like push usfurther than that, like into
Wellness. And that's where we want to go
(07:33):
to like have sustainable results, right?
Yes, it's, it's true. Me having ADHD, like I've been
ADHD and then in the past depression like it's, it's you
go to a psychiatrist, they give you medication, talk about it
for a second and then send you on your way and oh, we'll check
on you in a couple months to seehow the medication is going, if
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we have to up the dose or lower the dose.
And that's kind of why I've mixed psychiatry and psychology
because like, I'll go to a counselor and we can talk about
the things and then, you know, if I do need medication, which I
do for my ADHD, then like I'm taking the medication from the
psychiatrist. But like you said, just, it has
to be all about Wellness. Otherwise, like, sure, drug
(08:19):
might have a quick like fix in the moment, but it's not fixing
everything that's maybe causing all of the mental issues.
So yeah, I I Wellness has definitely got to be key for
sure. You touched on something that I
that I try to touch with, especially with men already hard
(08:40):
to get them in the door to like take care of any of this.
I'd be the worst one of us, likeno matter what, right?
Like I know the most, I'd be theworst one.
I'd be the worst patient becauseI probably know too much to be
the right patient, right? That might be it, but let's talk
about this like concept of tools, like I love tools.
(09:01):
I'm going to go to the mood likeI'm if you can send me to Home
Depot to grab a tool. I'm I don't care if I'm going to
use it once I'm going to use it,I'm going to buy a new tool,
right? Love it.
But like, that's what these things are like.
We're always looking for tools. Like it's not there.
There's nothing that's going to take your work out of it.
Like that's it's that's true. That's true mental health, it's
(09:23):
true of diabetes, right? Like I can give you diabetic
medication, you're still going to have to work on it, right?
Like it's not it's not going to do with that much I mean mental
health, sorry, probably even a little more that way, right.
But these are all tools, medication, therapy, you know,
all these things we're always looking for more tools the
cooler the tool is, the more youknow, more helpful it is.
(09:46):
You know, the more, the more my man brain tends to be like
impressed by it, by the way. But yeah, we're always looking
for like something more, you know, more pointed to do the
job. Academy has done that in a
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Back to the show. Can you can you walk us through
what like a typical kind of in therapy session looks like?
(10:31):
Yeah, yeah. So I mean, with the with
ketamine treatment, we're bringing you in, we're prepping
you. So first thing we do is
actually, you know, of course we're not just saying you did
not just call us and say, Hey, we want we want ketamine, right?
All right, just come on in. That's where we get scary.
No, So coming in, you sit down with with a provider like me, or
(10:52):
we have a couple other providersthat that are working with
people. We're doing a full evaluation.
I'm starting top to bottom. I want to know everything in the
history, what you've done, like you know, where where we're at
with it. Want to make sure this is a
first of all, a good fit, right,that this is going to be
something that's helpful for you.
(11:14):
You know that that cost money, that cost time.
Like like there's lots of there's lots of like things that
are there, like want to make sure you've got the right thing
right. If you're going to invest your
time and money, especially as a as a, you know, a dad and
there's a man like we have time to time is money like in wave
too many ways, right. And so, you know, make sure you
got the right thing and and you know that there's nothing else
(11:37):
we can do to like make sure we're like I said, we want a
comprehensive treatment plan. Ketamine is not just not just
that, right. So anyways, once we've done
that, recommended the treatment you're coming in or
recommending, you know, some fasting just cause some nausea,
that kind of stuff. So you get some anti nausea
medication. We do and there's several like
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types of ketamine therapy. The most, the gold standard is
IV and I am so intramuscular injection.
We do intramuscular injection and so you get an injection with
with the ketamine dosage you're going to start to fill just so
she did maybe a little floaty, that kind of stuff.
(12:19):
A little bit of sedation lasts about 3 minutes and actually we
give you a second injection at 30 minutes.
We also have the availability with, with patients.
We're not like to, to bring in somebody a therapist trained
with like ketamine assisted therapy.
Like I said, we're putting you in like a soft vulnerable spot
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that can be really, really productive, that can be really,
really helpful. It can be really, really scary.
Therapist has helped with both of those things and everything
in between, right. So having having a, a, a
therapist trained with like Kennedy assisted therapies.
Great. One of the providers we talked
to at this like family health clinic the other day was like,
well, you know they, they do some treatments like in the
(13:02):
office, right and they're like, well how do we have to do
anything? They're just kind of like sleepy
the whole time. And our therapist, Carolyn, who
is, was like, no, there's so much to do.
Like even if they like feel likethey can't really respond right,
Just like being there is like grounding person is like super
important, that kind of stuff, right?
(13:24):
And so, yeah, we do those treatments.
Usually treatments overall last about an hour and a half hour,
45 minutes usually. Sometimes we plan like 2 hours
to your first treatment just to make sure we've got the time to
make sure you're fully recovered, right?
We have a really cool system. I failed to mention maybe at the
1st that like monitors your vital signs the whole time.
(13:46):
So it goes on your finger. It's going to monitor your blood
pressure and you have a couple options.
You know, you have somebody in the room with you.
Like I said, a therapist in there.
One of our therapists is fantastic, just a companion,
whatever it is. Then we're kind of monitoring,
of course, the whole time, making sure everything's going
(14:06):
the right way. And then when we were asking
people not to drive for the restof the day, that like the life
in your system of kind of means really short.
So it kind of wears off. Definitely asking people to go
home, be reflective, that kind of stuff.
At very minimum during those treatments, we're giving
patients a, a journal, a kind ofhandcrafted a, a, a journal.
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We asked people coming in with intentions, that kind of stuff
to like, you know, make sure that like we're, we're, we're,
we're making this productive foryou, right?
We noticed early on that we had a few patients that would come
in and just like just kind of infor the experience, right?
Like I want to feel better is about the intention they've got
(14:50):
right. But we've noticed that, you
know, if we add intention work to this, there's people come in
with more to have a better experience.
We put, we go the right direction, you know, and, and,
and many people, like you said, can guide themselves the right
direction. We have those, those, those
trained therapists that help, you know, also do that kind of
stuff too. Yes.
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So we get to get a journal and throughout those usually with
with a like course of Canadian treatment, you know, one
treatment is helpful, we found, but like usually a course of
like 6 on your symptoms recommend something like every
like two to seven days for thosetreatments, right.
So, so you're more severe patients that just, we've got
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to, we've got to stop you from going to the hospital.
I recommend we stick closer to that, like to every two days.
And then, you know, and then with like, you know, our
patients that are just, we're, we're just trying to make some
progress, right? And, and that's the, the cool
thing about cutting in is we've seen benefit for about, you
know, anyone from, you know, really severe trying to prevent
(15:57):
a hospitalization to keep you safe to like, I want to lose
weight, right? And I want to like guide my
intentions that way. Like we've seen productivity
that way. A lot of rimage is great too.
Nice. Yeah, that's very thorough,
which is which is good. Which feels like it needs to be
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like you said, there's the wild,Wild West where people are just
giving it and not caring about the entire well-being of
somebody. So I kind of like the whole
journal that you guys do too, tojust be reflective, be aware of
what's happening with your body.That's the thing too.
Like if you're like not every drug is going to work for every
(16:39):
person. So if you're not reflecting,
you're not thinking about how I'm feeling, then like you're
just taking it to take it and like it could be helping you,
could not be helping you. But that reflection is
important. Can you tell us of like 1
success story that sticks in your mind of somebody that's
gone through the therapy and it's really helped?
(17:00):
Yeah, yeah. Gosh, let me narrow it down.
And I see this all the time and the patients come in, in the
door, just nothing's worked, right?
Like we, they've been dealing with this for years.
And I mean, get to those like traditional, like especially
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like the antidepressant medication treatments that are
just like, I've been through 5, right?
Really feels like we're beating a dead horse here sometimes,
right? And walk in the door and just
feel I'm a little hopeless sometimes too, right?
Where it's like there's, there'snothing missing, just like
there's nothing that works for me, right?
(17:44):
And then, you know, getting, getting into the course of
treatments. One thing I maybe should have
mentioned is we were talking about, you know, how a treatment
goes. As I always mentioned, think of
these like 6 treatments as one, right?
Yeah, you're going to come into each individual treatment with
like different intentions and, you know, then, you know,
treating them kind of each individually.
(18:05):
But the course of treatment as one is also like something to
view, right? And, you know, so yeah, as, as
we watch them, what we, another thing we do with this is like
carefully monitor like differentscoring right throughout it, you
know, so just personal scoring on like depression inventory,
anxiety inventory, even like trauma inventory type stuff,
(18:27):
right. It's really fun to watch those
scores just do this right? Like kind of knocking down.
Yeah. It's what makes me like go home
at the end of the day and want to go back tomorrow.
That's awesome that you see thatbecause I mean, you mean you can
get into a thing where it's like, well, if you don't see
anything happening, you're like,what the heck we doing this for?
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I do feel like that's why a lot of people don't go or seek out
this kind of thing because they are in such a bad place in life
where they're like, well, nothing works.
So I'll just, you know, kind of end things, which is
unfortunate, but that's it's really cool you guys are out
there and like, it's, it's a newer thing.
Like I know you said, it's been a while for a while, but like
it's, it's now coming out to be a newer thing, a bigger thing,
(19:13):
which is awesome. In this space, it's definitely,
you know, it's definitely, I mean, I think the failures with
traditional treatment has this forced us to look for new
options, right? And thankfully they're they're
coming that they seem to be likeemerging, right.
I mean, like I said, all these things we're looking at, we do
that. I am kind of mean.
It's been great. Biggest, biggest pitfall is like
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we can't get insurance to cover it, right?
It's a little bit cost prohibitive sometimes, right?
But then there's bravado. So we're looking to ask
ketamine, similar kind of ketamine, it's a nasal
administration. When you've tried a few things,
your insurance will usually cover it, right?
Then we're looking at like TMS therapy.
That's called transcranial magnetic simulation.
(19:59):
You get to like we were we're putting a magnet over the area
of your like depression, anxiety, center of your brain.
One thing we've seen maybe with with mental health in general is
rational and irrational brain just don't like to talk to each
other anymore In, in healthy brains, they, you know, they're
doing their job. I think anybody who's
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experienced maybe like ongoing depression, anxiety, those kinds
of things can really like hear it like that brain's going nuts.
And there's that rational brain kind of sitting in the corner
being like, can we stop, right, Please, like point this in a
definite direction, but it's just, it's not connecting,
right? And that's really like the
transformation I've seen with a lot of these treatments.
(20:41):
And like I, I, I like to call them interventional or
neuroplastic treatments because they're, they're different in
those ways, right? And so is that like we feel like
we start to see it plugged back in.
I can't stop life. Like it's just, there's no, no
such thing. If I had a medication like that,
I'd be absolutely, you know, I'dbe so rich you wouldn't even
(21:02):
know it, right? But that, But like what what I
can do with these and what what I think is successful in pushing
us kind of out of that. Like we talked about that space
with medication where you just kind of feel like not bad, but
not good, right? This, this we pushed out of that
space because we're able to likeget your rational brain working
(21:25):
so that, you know, OK, when, when life comes in, when the
things come in, the stressors come in, the things you've
experienced in the past that might not be so hot come in.
They can flow through and my rational brain can actually like
process them and say, here's what we're going to do about it
and we do it right. And I think that that is what we
need. Like like, like I said, we've
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been able to see it in like scans of the brain.
But like, it also sure makes a lot of sense as far as like what
works for treatment, right? And that's cool because like,
like you said it, it just with the two side of the brains are
battling. You really don't see that
because like with DJ and myself going through depression for
years, like we're finally starting to see like I'm for me
(22:08):
especially, I can kind of see like, OK, I'm, I'm having a bad
day. I can kind of like step back and
be like, all right, well, what are we doing?
And kind of started to like put things together.
Like recently I've kind of like figured out I've got a little
bit of social anxiety, but it took all this time to like kind
of figure that out instead of just just to, you know, like are
my baby Bradley. But it's cool to see that that
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can help do that quickly, you know, because there are a lot of
people, like I said, it's, it's sometimes it's a, it is to get
people in treatment quickly because sometimes they're at
that point where they're like, Ijust don't know what to.
Do right. Well, I, I think you know one
thing you know, brick tying thismay be back to like how this
applies to like men's mental health.
I think we're all just like you,you, you, you sit down and want
(22:53):
to put me on like an on any medication.
Like I said, I'm probably bad because I know too much, right?
And I don't know, maybe I've seen it all to seeing too many
things that you know happen, right?
But I think regardless, just menin general, like I'm tougher
than that. Like I don't need a medication.
(23:14):
I don't need a therapist, I don't need a right.
And I think the cool thing aboutthese newer treatments is they
come with less baggage, right? They come with less like, less
like admitting defeat, right? They feel, they feel more like
tools than medication sometimes feel like a tool, right?
Like I can use it. I can repair things.
(23:35):
I can get myself in the right space.
And so, you know, I think that, you know, men gravitate towards
towards, you know, stuff like that too, with our kind of
stubbornness sometimes. Yeah, I know.
That is definitely been. So I was diagnosed with ADHD
right before I turned 30. So I didn't I I just thought
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this is how everybody's brain worked and everybody had these
struggles. So like that, that stubbornness
of like I could tell something wasn't completely right with my
brain. Like I was like, there's
something different. There's something going on.
I don't know what it is. I get frustrated too easily.
Like I told my wife this like ow, wow, like something's wrong
with my brain. And this went on for the first
(24:19):
couple years of our marriage. And she's like, after working
with kids with ADHD, she was like, I am pretty sure you have
ADHD, you need to go get tested.And it's like until like things
get really bad because until I didn't get tested until we had
her our first donate when he wasborn, like everything came like,
(24:40):
you know, when you have a newborn, everything is like, I
get all blown up. You're like, you're not sleeping
and things are, you know, getting chaotic.
And so this everything just kindof collapsed and she was like,
you need to go get tested, you know, whatever.
And it took a moment like that to finally push DJ to go get the
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the help that he needed. So I can attest how stubborn we
can be when it comes to our own brains and our own bodies.
Like, we just don't want to see the signs.
We just want to. Everything is fine.
I'll just, I'll push through. Yeah.
So. Yeah, I can, I can like kind of
get on the train with you there.Like I've dealt with ADHD my
whole life as well. And so like, I know, I know it
(25:23):
like, and I and I talked to, youknow, people and then about this
all day long, right? Like my, it's my job to like sit
down and then talk about this stuff, right?
So I can walk through the door at home and be like, that's all
gone. Like, and that's just, I mean,
I'm really good with the, with the especially on the ADHD side
of like I can see other people'sthings.
(25:44):
Like it's maybe the superpower that I've got with ADHD, like
makes me good at my job, right? But my own stuff so blind, so
blind, just incredibly blind, right.
Like I've told my wife, you know, I sometimes I just need
you to tell me like, hey, get your crap together, right,
Please. Like, and, and you know, of
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course, my, my initial like ADHDreaction is I try this together,
leave me alone, right? Like, but you know, I, I
finally, and maybe my, my age, I've learned to like, you know,
take 10 seconds after that and say like, oh, you're, she's
right. My, my crap's not together.
Not using any of those things I teach people every day, right?
And yeah, I, I, I get that. It's it's hard to admit.
(26:30):
So as we are kind of getting to time here, if somebody is
looking to, you know, learn moreand start ketamine therapy, what
is the what do they need to lookfor?
And obviously you guys do it, but if they're not close to you
guys. Like I said, come back and touch
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on like get somebody who cares. But I mean, that that's what
you're looking for if we can. That's hard to define exactly
right. But I mean, I think everybody's
got a good gut, right? If you walk in there, if you try
to do this and you, you, you feel good about it, that's a
good sign. That's a good sign.
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I'm always looking for setting setting right, Like I said, we
we have like individual rooms. We give you space, right?
We want you to feel calm and serene as this guided.
Do they have other options for me?
Right. It doesn't.
Does it seem thoughtful? You know, like I said, maybe
(27:33):
healthcare in general, but like mental health, like look for the
care right. I think that's where we've made
a difference. I talked sometimes too with I
don't know why this comes to mind so often for me.
We've noticed with many, many different treatments, especially
in the mental health field, thatthe person doing the treatment
(27:54):
matters. And it's probably a good thing
when I think about this every day, right?
The person doing the treatment matters.
You have a better outcome if youfeel like you have the right
person doing the treatment, right?
And so the right person, the right setting, you know, you
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feel safe, right? Feel like like some, somebody's
there to help. I mean, hopefully, I think
that's easier to find them hard,right?
I think it's easier. I hope there's there's many,
many people out there with the right intentions, but also be
careful. Well, that kind of put a stigma
on it because like you're going in the other bad person doing
(28:36):
it, you're like, well, this kindof sucked.
And then they just don't like having therapy at all.
And they're like, oh, I'm not going back to that.
Yeah, Well, I mean, I think in psychiatry, we've done ourselves
a disservice that way sometimes,right?
Just it's been, it's been too disconnected and it's, you know,
we've caused our own problems. And hopefully, you know,
(28:58):
hopefully there's many of us here to try to repair that
stigma and get back on top of it.
Well, if they want to. Oh, sorry.
If they want to see more about what you guys do, if they want
to connect with the new, where can they find you guys?
So obviously you can find us online a new therapy and just
just Google the name. We have some some Instagram
(29:22):
content. Ashlyn, who's our like CEO slash
social media. She makes me do like TikTok type
stuff that is not me that is. But if you want to look and you
want to see me look kind of foolish, it's a fun place to go.
But also we get it's foolish, but it's a good way.
We give a lot of good information through there too.
(29:43):
So I love that. But so Instagram, social media,
we can keep up with us there. We're always just trying to
share things that are helpful tothe the people we treat and
everyone in general to. Awesome.
Yeah. Well, I just want to first, you
know, say thank you for coming on.
Thank you for giving really goodinsights because obviously,
(30:06):
yeah, we should break the stigmaand if it's going to help
somebody like that's that's the first step.
So I definitely appreciate you coming on.
No problem, appreciate you guys for having me.
Yeah, for anybody to listen for,we all you guys know we love
you. And if you guys are carrying
that mental load of just depression or mental health
issues right now, look in Academy therapy.
(30:27):
It's new, it's it sounds really good and it's helping a lot of
people. So just saying that.
At the very least reach out. Like I said, one of the best
routes to this is here, you know, a success story from a
friend, family member, whoever it is.
So just reach out. Like I know you guys have a
community that you keep up that kind of stuff.
(30:48):
Just just reach out and and if you're if you're the friend,
reach out, find somebody to reach out to, just one person,
have a conversation. That's all it takes just to get
it started. What's up?
Cool. Well, thank you, Sir.
Everyone, listen, we'll see you guys the next episode.
We love you. There's all, yes.
Please.
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