January 11, 2026 • 29 mins
What happens when you return to the places where your secrets were lived—and finally say them out loud? In this episode, we hit record on the road and open into a candid conversation about infidelity, erotic shame, and the pull of breaking rules, while staying honest about the real-world consequences.
I share why stories of women who cheat have always felt both true and electric to me, and why bringing that truth into the light is equal parts unsettling and necessary. Veronica joins me, sharing her journey that moves from survival to self-ownership: leaving an abusive marriage, exploring desire, and creating firm boundaries that made room for her safety, clarity, and pleasure.
We talk about her carefully structured “roster,” a risky affair that tested values and empathy, and the moment when fantasy collided with reality. When guilt arrives, Veronica chose accountability without spectacle—no revenge, no humiliating details—just a decision to move forward without burning everything down.
There are no easy heroes or villains here. Instead, we sit in the nuance: why taboo can be erotic, how power can return through structure and consent, and how compassion can exist for those who are hurt without weaponizing their pain. Faith appears as humility rather than judgment.
If you’ve ever wrestled with cheating as a kink or the narratives that dictated what a “good woman” is supposed to want, this episode invites you to listen with curiosity. Expect frank conversation and a humane look at complicated truths.
If this resonates, follow the show, share it with someone who enjoys honest conversations, and leave a review. And if you’re a sex-positive woman with a filthy little story to tell, we’d love to hear from you.
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Marvin aka Morgan Hale (00:00):
I am here with some fear and
trembling about this episode.
I am grateful that you're here.
If you uh I'm assuming saw thetitle and are choosing to listen
to it.
And thank you for your ears.
Um I in 2020 released a book,my first book, as M. L.
Patterson, and was writing astory about a woman who cheated
(00:23):
on her husband.
And that was very authentic forme, very erotic for me.
But I was doing it hiding myidentity from all but a select
group of people that I felt safewith.
But I definitely wasn't publicon the internet about my
identity at that time.
Um but now I am, so this feelsvery different to be engaging in
(00:45):
this conversation now where myface is out there, my name is
out there.
I do believe it's time, eventhough I'm scared to to own this
truth of mine, which is that,and you'll hear it in this
interview, that I have atremendous amount of affection
for women who cheat, women whoare knowingly sleeping with men
(01:09):
who are married or engaged orhave, you know, committed
relationship.
Those women that choose that, Ifor some time now have just
felt lit up by being someonethat they felt safe enough to
share that secret with.
Yeah, and it's also very eroticfor me.
(01:30):
But it's something that I feela great deal of love for them.
So that is really what I hopecomes through for anyone who if
you are one of those women, Ihope you feel it when you listen
to this.
I hope you feel love, I hopeyou feel acceptance.
And um if you're someone who'sbeen cheated on, and this is
very triggering and very painfulfor you.
(01:51):
Very understandable.
I hope before you listen tothis that you will go back to
the episode before this one.
The conversation that I hadwith Kyera.
She came and gave somethingthat I couldn't, which is the
perspective of someone who'sbeen through that experience.
Please check that out beforeyou listen to this.
But regardless, thank you somuch for being here.
Thank you so much forlistening.
(02:12):
And without belaboring thisanymore, here's Veronica.
Welcome to Filthy LittleSecrets, the show where real
everyday women get real aboutsex.
We're here to shatter stigmaand trample taboo one candid
conversation at a time.
My name's Marvin, but myreaders know me as Morgan Hale,
filthy romance author.
And I'm your host for thisheart-to-heart chat about
(02:34):
something most of us thinkabout, dream about, and even
yearn for.
But few of us feel comfortableadmitting it, talking about it,
or celebrating it.
So let's get filthy together.
Hey y'all.
I am super excited today tobring you a live in-person
interview with Veronica.
Whoop woop.
(02:55):
Right.
And so this is gonna be fun anddifferent.
And I don't know how thesound's gonna be, but you know,
whatever.
It's gonna be great.
And we're actually in my car,we're gonna take a little drive,
and part of the deal is thatwe're gonna visit places that
some filthy little thingshappened, and we're gonna share
some stories and secrets, right?
So, um, do you wanna go to oneof mine first?
(03:15):
Sure.
Okay, yeah, we'll start withyou.
You know, it's my turn first.
So yeah.
Well, so in the meantime, we'regonna chit-chat, Veronica.
Veronica (03:25):
Yeah.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (03:25):
Would it be okay for me to share a few
things that I, you know, knowabout you in terms of filthy
little secrets.
Absolutely.
And and I and so, you know,backstory for, I mean, some
listeners know this about theshow, but you know, I've been
asked, like, why did you want todo this show?
And for me, it was I've had a Imean, I'm in my 50s now, I've
(03:50):
had a lifelong journey ofpeeling back layers of shame
specifically around mysexuality.
And one of the probably one ofthe biggest things, outside of
just my own personal work on it,one of the biggest things that
has helped me peel those layersback is all the different women
(04:11):
in my life over the period ofyou know decades now, who at one
time or another shared one ormore of their filthy little
secrets with me.
And that has comforted me.
It has made me feel less alone.
And and for me, why um youknow, maybe someone would ask
the question, well, why was itwomen and not men sharing their
(04:33):
secrets that meant something foryou?
And I think the reason is Icame up with the same story that
I think a lot of people, bothmen and women in our culture,
come up with that women aresomehow supposed to be
different, they're supposed tobe less sexual, and I didn't
want-I mean, even as a youngperson, I don't want any part of
that.
Like if it was not everybody isfree to have fun and be sexual
(04:58):
and be naughty and be filthy, ifit's not that and it's this
game where men are that andthey're gonna try to like quote
unquote get in a woman's pantsand take from them, I don't want
any part of that.
So, I mean, my initial reactionto my own sexuality was this
isn't a fair game.
(05:18):
This is all about predatory,you know, men just taking from
women, and fuck that.
I don't want to be a part ofthat, so I turned on my
sexuality to the point of I wasgonna be celibate, castrate
myself, I was gonna be like aCatholic priest or a monk or
something, but I was gonna runas far the fuck away as I could
from my sexuality because Ibecause I saw it, this narrative
(05:42):
that was I you know laterlearned, thanks to women who
told me their truth, thatnarrative was bullshit.
And more and more I saw thatmaybe not everybody's sexual,
but a lot of us, and definitelymore women than I was the
majority of us are sexual.
Yeah, and so it was stop sign.
(06:03):
That was a stop sign.
I'm having so much fun talkingabout being filthy that I almost
ran that stop sign.
So yeah, there are stories thatwomen told me like 30 years ago
that I still hold on to likegems in my heart that I just
think I love that fucking story.
It was so it was so naughty, itwas so filthy, and it was so
(06:27):
real and so honest, and nobodyother than maybe their very
closest friends would have aclue that they did that thing
because there is this like shamenarrative that says women
shouldn't, they well, especially30 years ago, yeah, exactly.
Veronica (06:43):
It was worse than it is today, and obviously 20 years
prior to that was worse thanthen, yeah, and so on and so
forth.
Absolutely.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (06:49):
So, but you uh so honestly for me,
because I've known Veronica fora long time now, really.
Yeah, and you know, you havebeen one of those many women who
I mean, I know these storiesabout you, and they are gems to
me, and I'm grateful to you thatA, you did those things,
really.
I mean, uh and but B, that Iwas lucky enough for you to let
(07:14):
me see a glimpse of that part ofyou because it was another
piece and dismantling thispainful, you know, story that I
had that wasn't true.
And so so that is actually thewhole spirit of this podcast,
you know, is to be like, hey,let's find a space to tell the
(07:35):
truth.
Veronica (07:36):
To be seen, exactly, to be seen, to not be judged, to
be feel safe.
That's what you are, Marvin, towomen and I hope to some men as
well, because it's always it'sa blessing to have someone in
your life that you're socomfortable with and you trust
wholeheartedly that you can justspill your guts and your filthy
(07:57):
little secrets to and know thatif you didn't want anybody else
to know they wouldn't.
Right.
But if you chose to tellsomebody and let them broadcast
it on a podcast, then it wouldstill be safe, secure, and done
in the proper manner.
Yeah.
So it's exciting.
Yeah, for sure.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (08:16):
That's developed.
Well, we are on our way to oneof my spots where I I was
naughty.
Veronica (08:22):
Love it.
And um I'm hoping it's one ofmy spots because we're headed in
the right direction.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (08:27):
Oh, cool.
All right.
Well, that would be kind ofmagical, wouldn't it?
Yeah, so I mean, I haven'treally yet gotten into the topic
of like marital infidelity, butthat is a theme for me.
Like, I've written books nowthat are stories about women
cheating on their husband inparticularly salacious ways.
Like, I mean, the very firstbook that I wrote was this woman
(08:48):
who cheated on her husband withhis boss on her husband's desk.
Fun.
And you know, it was just likeso salacious and naughty.
And, you know, some peoplereally hated that book.
And I understand why.
You know, I totally understandwhy, but that was authentic for
me, that was erotic for me, andit still is.
(09:09):
It wouldn't be authentic for meto shy away from that topic.
I for sure feel like I need tolean into it.
And so this place that we'regoing is a place that I met up
with a married woman.
Not a whole lot happened, butit was definitely things going
on, and and you know, and Icherish this place, and I
(09:31):
cherish her choice to do thisnaughty thing, you know.
I mean, she obviously came upagainst all of her own
narratives about what was itright, was it wrong, all that
kind of thing.
But it was just an authenticchoice for her, and it was
naughty and it was filthy, anduh I loved that about her in
that moment.
(09:51):
And I think I'm always gonna bethe person who, if a woman
makes a choice like that, I'mgonna be pom-poms out,
cheerleader.
Veronica (10:01):
The choices that make you want to feel better about
yourself.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (10:04):
Yeah, I mean, like, I get that there's
plenty of people that are gonnabe judgmental of that, and and
that's their right.
I feel like it's their right tofeel that way and talk that
way, and whatever, but that'snot me.
I'm gonna be, I'm gonnacelebrate her.
And I'm also going to lean intobeing able to like listen to
the person who has been on theother side of that and been
(10:26):
betrayed and had their trustbetrayed.
And so one of the things I loveabout you is I know that you've
experienced both sides.
Veronica (10:34):
Absolutely.
I was gonna say, I am, I am Iam a product of both sides of
that narrative.
And it's funny that you camehere to this spot because my
spot is across the street in twotwo separate areas across the
street with two separateincidences and two separate
gentlemen.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (10:52):
Okay, perfect.
This is perfect, yay.
I love it.
See, it's like it's meant to beit's meant to be.
Yeah, I mean, like, you know,as humans we have morals and we
have judgments, and differentand not everybody has the same
morals and judgments, you know,and but like I mean, I still
believe in God and my viewsabout God have changed.
But what I'm certain of is thatGod sees all this stuff.
(11:12):
He knows, she knows, whatever,you know, version gender.
I think it could be both.
Um, sees it all, knows it all,and I think made us exactly the
way that we are.
Veronica (11:27):
Yes.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (11:28):
And knew exactly what we were gonna do.
Absolutely and I don't believegets nearly as bent up and upset
and angry and judgmental on anyof that stuff about it as we
do.
Veronica (11:41):
Well, yeah, because we as humans overthink,
over-exaggerate, and get overlyemotional about other people's
situations.
Like, why are we so focused onsome somebody else's doings?
Why what I do makes you soangry?
Are you so upset that I choseto sleep with a married man or
(12:02):
stayed faithful to anex-husband, now ex-husband, a
husband who cheated on me.
There's like you said, God seesit.
He sees it all, but he alsogives us these paths.
These paths were created, andwe made the choice to walk down
it or not, but the paths werethere for a reason.
So yeah, I agree.
(12:25):
We know it's funny because thisI'm gonna jump into a story
because this is what it is.
I was divorced, I got divorcedfinalized in 2019, right?
Okay, very tumultuous marriage,abusive mentally, physically,
emotionally.
I mean, just draining,draining.
(12:46):
Um, my ex-husband was anaddict, he was in and out of
rehabs, jails, any rollercoaster ride you can think of,
we were on it.
We were on it, and I was ridingwith him the whole time.
You know, infidelity, there wasjust there was so much
happening, so much happening,and I was so stuck in my head
and this codependency that I hadfor him that I I knew, I knew
(13:08):
the infidelities were happening.
I knew he was sleeping withother women or he was pretending
he was going to, or whateverthe case may be, there were like
14 different women a span ofeight years, and probably more
that I didn't know about.
And I say faithful, yeah,because in my mind I was taught
and told, you know, cheating isbad, don't step out on your
(13:29):
husband.
I'm a Catholic, so you know,there's you don't get divorced,
we don't do that.
But when it came down to it,not you know, I spoke to my
priest and he was like, Oh, yes,absolutely, you can get a
divorce.
And I'm like, I didn't reallyneed his permission, but it felt
good to me at the time to knowthat okay, uh, I can walk away
from this and be alright becauseI've done everything I could
(13:49):
do.
Yeah, in that time span ofbeing with my husband, I never
stepped out, I never cheated.
He made me feel bad about mysexuality, watching porn.
Why am I watching porn when Ihave him?
Right?
Why do I want a sex toy if I'mnot using it while dealing with
him?
Well, because you get on themotherfucking nerves, and
sometimes I just want to takecare of myself, okay, and not
(14:10):
have you bother me.
Also, at the same time, we aswomen, and I this is not all
women, but these are themajority of women that I meet.
We most women like other women.
We find them beautiful, they'reattractive, we watch them in
pornography, we watch them inreal life, and we want to
experience that.
So a lot of times I would bewatching lesbian porn and enjoy
(14:32):
it so much more than my husbandin real life and dealing with
him.
So got divorced from him,jumped back on the scene of many
men and finding my way.
But there was one gentleman whoI met, and I mean I did.
I jump I went to Vegas for aweekend and had a one-night
stand with just some cute guy Isaw at the buffet.
(14:55):
I said, Oh, he's I want him.
And handed him my number, gavehim my room number, and that
night done, perfect, so good.
Didn't even talk to him thenext day.
I was like, Oh, I like this, Ilike doing this.
So then, you know, and also byhaving an eight-year marriage of
just you know, abuse, youreally start to think down on
(15:16):
yourself.
So it was I am a30-something-year-old woman, I
have two children, differentdads, if you want to call them
that, because they don't doanything, you know what I mean?
So now this that narrative wasstuck in my head because that's
what was beat down on me.
You'll never find anybody, theywon't want you for anything but
sex, and you you are nothing.
(15:36):
So I took that and flipped it.
Okay, bet.
Well, maybe I don't want thembut for sex.
Maybe that's all I want.
So I took that and ran with it.
Yeah, sure.
I went from being married andbeing in a relationship for 10
years to literally creating whatI called my roster.
I had a roster, I had astarting five and I had my
(15:59):
bench, my bench.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (16:00):
Love it.
Veronica (16:01):
I did.
So if one of the starting fivefucked up, guess what?
You're out the game, and I'mbringing in somebody off the
bench.
And it worked rather well.
So it was these men that Iwould see on social media.
I wasn't even on dating sites,it was social media, and I'm
like, oh, he's cute, DM.
Oh, he's fine, ooh, DM.
And I literally would just say,Yo, you you look good.
It was the simplest phrases,and they would come back and
(16:23):
they were interested.
And I'm like, oh, okay, I'vegot it.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (16:27):
Right, I've got it.
Veronica (16:28):
Let's make this work.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (16:29):
Yeah.
So I mean the story that myex-husband tried to tell me.
Veronica (16:32):
Yeah, like what was that?
That that was just to keep medown and to mentally abuse me.
That I learned that therapyafter that.
But then I would, I would havethese men, there'd be college
athletes.
College athletes.
There were married men forsure.
There were single guys, but itwas also, I had strict rules
too.
(16:53):
I did not date.
Don't ask me out on a date.
You cannot stay the night,don't bring no spin-a night bag
to my house.
You cannot come between thehours, you can only come, excuse
me, between the hours of 9 30and 11:30.
You get there, you perform, andyou get the fuck out.
That's what it was.
And the men really thought Iwas kidding.
And I'm like, no, right, man.
You show up at 11 o'clock,guess what?
(17:14):
You have 30 minutes to do whatit is you need to do with me,
and then you have to go.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (17:18):
Right, yeah, yeah.
Veronica (17:19):
So I did that for a good year.
I mean, solid, a solid year,and I had this roster.
And don't get me wrong, I had acouple of men that I felt some
type of way about and hadfeelings for, but then cut it
off real quick.
Like, oh no, this is not whatI'm gonna be doing.
And you're not right.
In the mix of all of that,there were two different
(17:39):
gentlemen that kind of weaseltheir way into my heart a little
bit.
And one of which had a fiance,knew this going in, did not give
a fuck.
Yeah.
Wanna know why?
Because he was fine as hell,and I didn't care.
It was like, I I don't care.
I don't want him for anythingmore than a a good sexual
(18:00):
experience.
If even if that, because Ididn't know at that time.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (18:04):
Yeah, right.
So you were on an adventure.
Veronica (18:06):
I was, yeah, I was on an adventure.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (18:08):
And you were like giving yourself
permission.
Yeah.
Veronica (18:11):
Yeah.
And here's the thing.
I know if people knew me andthey knew what I was doing, they
would look at me like you're abad person.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (18:21):
Right.
Veronica (18:22):
Sure, if that's how you see it.
I don't see it that way.
Because again, God said Godopened a path.
It was there.
Also, the gentleman opened upthe path.
The gentleman was the one whoactually approached me in that
manner.
So I signed up my kids for thetraining that he had going on.
And and that was even before Iknew how good looking he was.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (18:45):
Right.
Veronica (18:46):
The first session, I was like, oh my God, he is just
to die for.
Good Lord Almighty.
And that very first night heasked for my phone number, but
he he made it seem like it wason a professional level.
Yeah.
So I took it.
Yeah.
Obviously.
He's texting, had texted thefirst week every single day,
trying to figure out if I wasinterested, if I would keep my
(19:07):
mouth closed, because I don'tthink he realized that I knew he
was engaged because he didn'tsay anything.
But I found out through thegrapevine he was.
Yeah.
So he brought it up.
He said he was a practicingMuslim and he wanted to open his
family up and have multiplewives or girlfriends and this
and I said, Oh, okay, great.
Love it.
(19:27):
See you three days a week.
The other one can have me therest.
I don't need you anymore.
You want to help me with mybills?
Perfect.
I love this dynamic.
I love this idea.
So for a good six months, itwas a good so it was a good,
solid time.
I was sleeping with just himand maybe like one or two other
people that would come in andout of my life.
But solid six months,definitely other people coming
(19:50):
in and out.
The sex was great.
He looked good.
I met his fiance at one point.
She obviously, once I realizedshe didn't know about me and
him, I was like, Alright, he'strying to pull some funny shit,
but I didn't care.
I kept going with him.
I fell for him.
I was like, this is great.
I like this.
I like this concept, thisideal, how he wants to have
these double families.
(20:10):
I'm cool with that.
Okay.
And it got to the point wherehe was starting to feel guilty,
so he broke it off with me.
And I was like, okay, veryemotional about it.
Whatever.
But I was already at that likecutthroat stage.
Okay, you don't want any morefun.
Done.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (20:26):
Yeah.
Veronica (20:27):
We don't need to talk anymore.
Cut off.
It wasn't nothing, but threedays later, he shows back up on
my front door.
On my doorstep, wanting tocontinue.
I was like, okay, that's fine.
Let's go.
Let's continue.
For him, and this is a spotbecause we used to meet up right
over there.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (20:44):
Should we go?
Veronica (20:45):
Let's go.
Let's go.
Let's go.
Because that was one of ourmain spots we met up at.
And it was actually one of mypeaceful places that I would go
by myself when the weather isnice and sit and read a book or
something like that.
And he ruined it for me.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (21:03):
I was wondering, yeah, how you would
feel about having those things.
Veronica (21:08):
He it was alright at first because he was very
peaceful, and the things that wewere doing were very peaceful,
and there was no drama.
And it was alright.
But then when he broke it offwith me, he broke it off with me
there.
I was like, see, that you justruined my space for me.
But this is also the gentlemanthat like he couldn't figure out
what he wanted.
So this is my filthy littlesecret outside of this original
(21:34):
secret of sleeping with this manis that one night I was this
was going into COVID.
So I was an essential workerjust doing a random, like almost
night shift early mornings.
I'd go in at 1 a.m.
and I would be done by 6 30 inthe morning.
He obviously we're all stuck atthe house.
(21:56):
His fiance stuck at the house.
We had nowhere to go.
We couldn't be out.
This is when they were reallyflagging people like you can't
drive, you need to be at home.
This was early onset COVID,like people were going crazy.
And he messaged me and waslike, Hey, do you want to come
to my house before you go towork?
And I said, Wait, what do youmean?
(22:18):
Because isn't your fiance athome?
Right.
And this is midnight.
Yeah, she's asleep.
She sleep upstairs.
I feel like this is one of yourfavorite stories that I've told
you before.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (22:26):
Yes, I love this.
Veronica (22:28):
Yeah, so filthy little dirty secret.
Right?
Yeah.
You ready?
Yes.
Because I don't think I toldyou the front end of this dirty
little secret.
Okay.
Before I got to his house,there was another gentleman who
I had randomly met at my job andI was slightly interested in.
(22:50):
But you know, sometimes whenthe guys pull off their face
masks, you're like, oh, they'renot cute.
That was kind of what it was.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (22:57):
But I was like, put your mask back on.
Veronica (22:59):
Put your mask back on, but your dick was big.
I saw him in the picture.
Great.
A lot of times I needreferences because I don't want
to waste my time.
That was another big thing.
Hey, if you waste my time, ifyou have a small dick, I'm gonna
send you home.
I can't, I don't like to fakeit.
I'm not gonna, I'm not gonnamake you feel good about
yourself when you and I can'tmake me feel good, period.
Right.
Let's not do that.
(23:19):
So he came over around andwithin my 9 30 to 11:30 time
frame.
And yeah, we fucked.
Um, it was pretty good.
It was alright.
It wasn't the best, but it wasokay.
Did the job.
And then I got the text fromthe other gentleman who I was,
you know, infatuated with.
(23:40):
This was this was a number oneplayer on my roster.
Like, this is somebody that Iwas like, I want to be starting
lineup.
I wanted to be around him.
So I'm like, oh, you want me tocome to your house?
Oh, okay, sure.
I'm like, told the other guy toget lost.
Goodbye.
No, we've already finished,we've done, we've had sex, been
there, done that, all that goodjunk.
And I took a shower, rinsed offbest I could, and I took myself
(24:04):
over to his house.
I'm like, hey, you know what?
It's midnight, it's technicallyanother day.
So it doesn't count.
It's another day.
It's not two guys one day, it'stwo guys different day.
It's fine.
Not that there's anythingwrong.
Anybody out there, you do you,if that's how you want to do it.
(24:26):
I know judgment, but in mymind, I was I was like talking
about myself.
So I go to his house, I sneakaround back to his garage.
Um, he lets me in.
We have to be super quietbecause his fiancee is asleep
upstairs.
He takes me into his livingroom.
Okay.
Okay.
And literally, two seconds in,he's bending me over on the
(24:52):
ottoman and going at it from theback.
Just pounding.
Didn't matter.
He finishes.
As soon as he finishes, we hearfootsteps right above us.
Oh wow.
So his fiance was up.
She got up, she walked from herbedroom and went to their
daughter's room because theirdaughter woke up, got their
(25:13):
daughter, walked back to herbedroom and shut the door.
And we were standing downstairsbutt naked.
There was nowhere, there wasnowhere to run if she was coming
down the stairs the way theirhouse was set up.
Yeah.
So he wanted to keep goingbecause I guess he had finished
what he wanted another round.
And I was like, you know what?
Kind of done.
(25:33):
That's crazy.
Uh, because I just think that'sdoing too much.
We've already done it, it'sthere, it's completed.
Yeah.
So I clean up and I leave.
And side note, the fiance, shewas cool.
I met her a couple of times.
I'd been around her.
I'd been to their house forMemorial Day.
You know, I'd been in theirhouse plenty of times when she
(25:55):
was around.
She was cool, but she wasfucking useless.
She was somebody who would sitaround, smoke weed, and not look
for a job while her fianceworked two jobs, ran a business,
and would have the baby withhim at said business.
To me, I don't like that.
I don't like somebody beingtaken advantage of.
(26:17):
I don't like somebody to justsit around and be like, oh,
well, I'm doing the best I can,but you went and did two fucking
Uber Eats, you know, runs andthat's it.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (26:27):
Yeah.
Veronica (26:28):
So it had been like that for a while too.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (26:30):
Yeah, because the whole time I've
known you, I mean, you've been ahustler, you've worked your ass
off, you know, to like and onyour own, taking care of your
kids.
Yes, I can see how for you,somebody who is doing what she's
doing, you're like, oh, I'mgonna fuck your man.
Veronica (26:44):
Yeah, absolutely, because you're taking advantage
of your partner in one way oranother, you're taking advantage
of your partner, and I don'tlike that at all.
And granted, yes, he's cheatingon you, but at the same time, I
could ask, you know, you whatdo you have going on in the
bedroom?
Are you doing anything tosatisfy his needs outside of the
norm?
And even are you satisfying thenormal needs?
(27:05):
So it was only a couple weekslater that I get a phone call
around 11 p.m.
at night and from his phone,and I'm thinking it was him, and
it was not, it was his fiance,and he had decided that the
guilt was getting so bad for himthat he needed to tell her that
(27:27):
we were sleeping together, orlike I should say this that we
slept together because he onlytold them that we had slept
together.
I am I'm the type of personthat I'm not petty nor
vindictive in certainsituations.
It's not my business to tell.
So if your man chose to tellyou that we slept one time,
(27:49):
slept together one time at myhouse, I'm gonna say the same
thing.
Yeah, because in the end, I'mnot there to to hurt people
intentionally, right?
And to go off and to tell thisfiance that story, like girl, I
got fucked in your living roomwhile you were sleeping.
Right, that that can be sodamaging to hear, and it's not
(28:12):
my it's not my business nor myplace to damage her like that.
Yeah, as much as I didn't likeher, that's not for me.
That ended that, althoughrecently this past year, he has
hit me up on WhatsApp to to allof a sudden check in and see
what I'm doing and want to linkup again.
(28:33):
But I don't go backwardseither.
Let me say that.
If I end something or it'sended with me and we haven't
messed around for a significantamount of time, I won't do it
again.
It's over.
My infatuation or excitementabout it is done for.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (28:47):
Gotcha.
Yeah.
Veronica (28:48):
So that was that one.
That was fun.
Yeah.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (28:52):
I love it.
Yeah, I mean, you know, here'sthe thing.
There's so many people, I knowthere's so many people out there
who have these type of storieson the next episode.
Veronica (29:02):
It was a long time after that.
It had to be like six months,seven months.
I'd get a friend request onSnapchat.
And we all know what Snapchatis used for.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (29:14):
Okay.
Veronica (29:16):
I see you.
So that was my end.
That was my oh hey, my door isopen.
Come in.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (29:24):
And this series on the eroticism of
infidelity.
Thanks for listening to FilthyLittle Secrets.
I hope we left light freeinspire to explore your filthy
sexual horizon.
If you want more, subscribe toget all the filthy feature
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If you're a sex positive womanand like to burn another, I want
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Wanna come on the show and tellyour story?
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Go to MorganHalebook.com slashpodcast to learn more.
That's M-O-R-A-N-H-A-L-Ebooks.com slash podcast.
Until next time, it's MorganHale to keep it real and okay.
I am here with some fear and
trembling about this episode.
I am grateful that you're here.
If you uh I'm assuming saw thetitle and are choosing to listen
to it.
And thank you for your ears.
Um I in 2020 released a book,my first book, as M. L.
Patterson, and was writing astory about a woman who cheated
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on her husband.
And that was very authentic forme, very erotic for me.
But I was doing it hiding myidentity from all but a select
group of people that I felt safewith.
But I definitely wasn't publicon the internet about my
identity at that time.
Um but now I am, so this feelsvery different to be engaging in
(00:45):
this conversation now where myface is out there, my name is
out there.
I do believe it's time, eventhough I'm scared to to own this
truth of mine, which is that,and you'll hear it in this
interview, that I have atremendous amount of affection
for women who cheat, women whoare knowingly sleeping with men
(01:09):
who are married or engaged orhave, you know, committed
relationship.
Those women that choose that, Ifor some time now have just
felt lit up by being someonethat they felt safe enough to
share that secret with.
Yeah, and it's also very eroticfor me.
(01:30):
But it's something that I feela great deal of love for them.
So that is really what I hopecomes through for anyone who if
you are one of those women, Ihope you feel it when you listen
to this.
I hope you feel love, I hopeyou feel acceptance.
And um if you're someone who'sbeen cheated on, and this is
very triggering and very painfulfor you.
(01:51):
Very understandable.
I hope before you listen tothis that you will go back to
the episode before this one.
The conversation that I hadwith Kyera.
She came and gave somethingthat I couldn't, which is the
perspective of someone who'sbeen through that experience.
Please check that out beforeyou listen to this.
But regardless, thank you somuch for being here.
Thank you so much forlistening.
(02:12):
And without belaboring thisanymore, here's Veronica.
Welcome to Filthy LittleSecrets, the show where real
everyday women get real aboutsex.
We're here to shatter stigmaand trample taboo one candid
conversation at a time.
My name's Marvin, but myreaders know me as Morgan Hale,
filthy romance author.
And I'm your host for thisheart-to-heart chat about
(02:34):
something most of us thinkabout, dream about, and even
yearn for.
But few of us feel comfortableadmitting it, talking about it,
or celebrating it.
So let's get filthy together.
Hey y'all.
I am super excited today tobring you a live in-person
interview with Veronica.
Whoop woop.
(02:55):
Right.
And so this is gonna be fun anddifferent.
And I don't know how thesound's gonna be, but you know,
whatever.
It's gonna be great.
And we're actually in my car,we're gonna take a little drive,
and part of the deal is thatwe're gonna visit places that
some filthy little thingshappened, and we're gonna share
some stories and secrets, right?
So, um, do you wanna go to oneof mine first?
(03:15):
Sure.
Okay, yeah, we'll start withyou.
You know, it's my turn first.
So yeah.
Well, so in the meantime, we'regonna chit-chat, Veronica.
Veronica (03:25):
Yeah.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (03:25):
Would it be okay for me to share a few
things that I, you know, knowabout you in terms of filthy
little secrets.
Absolutely.
And and I and so, you know,backstory for, I mean, some
listeners know this about theshow, but you know, I've been
asked, like, why did you want todo this show?
And for me, it was I've had a Imean, I'm in my 50s now, I've
(03:50):
had a lifelong journey ofpeeling back layers of shame
specifically around mysexuality.
And one of the probably one ofthe biggest things, outside of
just my own personal work on it,one of the biggest things that
has helped me peel those layersback is all the different women
(04:11):
in my life over the period ofyou know decades now, who at one
time or another shared one ormore of their filthy little
secrets with me.
And that has comforted me.
It has made me feel less alone.
And and for me, why um youknow, maybe someone would ask
the question, well, why was itwomen and not men sharing their
(04:33):
secrets that meant something foryou?
And I think the reason is Icame up with the same story that
I think a lot of people, bothmen and women in our culture,
come up with that women aresomehow supposed to be
different, they're supposed tobe less sexual, and I didn't
want-I mean, even as a youngperson, I don't want any part of
that.
Like if it was not everybody isfree to have fun and be sexual
(04:58):
and be naughty and be filthy, ifit's not that and it's this
game where men are that andthey're gonna try to like quote
unquote get in a woman's pantsand take from them, I don't want
any part of that.
So, I mean, my initial reactionto my own sexuality was this
isn't a fair game.
(05:18):
This is all about predatory,you know, men just taking from
women, and fuck that.
I don't want to be a part ofthat, so I turned on my
sexuality to the point of I wasgonna be celibate, castrate
myself, I was gonna be like aCatholic priest or a monk or
something, but I was gonna runas far the fuck away as I could
from my sexuality because Ibecause I saw it, this narrative
(05:42):
that was I you know laterlearned, thanks to women who
told me their truth, thatnarrative was bullshit.
And more and more I saw thatmaybe not everybody's sexual,
but a lot of us, and definitelymore women than I was the
majority of us are sexual.
Yeah, and so it was stop sign.
(06:03):
That was a stop sign.
I'm having so much fun talkingabout being filthy that I almost
ran that stop sign.
So yeah, there are stories thatwomen told me like 30 years ago
that I still hold on to likegems in my heart that I just
think I love that fucking story.
It was so it was so naughty, itwas so filthy, and it was so
(06:27):
real and so honest, and nobodyother than maybe their very
closest friends would have aclue that they did that thing
because there is this like shamenarrative that says women
shouldn't, they well, especially30 years ago, yeah, exactly.
Veronica (06:43):
It was worse than it is today, and obviously 20 years
prior to that was worse thanthen, yeah, and so on and so
forth.
Absolutely.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (06:49):
So, but you uh so honestly for me,
because I've known Veronica fora long time now, really.
Yeah, and you know, you havebeen one of those many women who
I mean, I know these storiesabout you, and they are gems to
me, and I'm grateful to you thatA, you did those things,
really.
I mean, uh and but B, that Iwas lucky enough for you to let
(07:14):
me see a glimpse of that part ofyou because it was another
piece and dismantling thispainful, you know, story that I
had that wasn't true.
And so so that is actually thewhole spirit of this podcast,
you know, is to be like, hey,let's find a space to tell the
(07:35):
truth.
Veronica (07:36):
To be seen, exactly, to be seen, to not be judged, to
be feel safe.
That's what you are, Marvin, towomen and I hope to some men as
well, because it's always it'sa blessing to have someone in
your life that you're socomfortable with and you trust
wholeheartedly that you can justspill your guts and your filthy
(07:57):
little secrets to and know thatif you didn't want anybody else
to know they wouldn't.
Right.
But if you chose to tellsomebody and let them broadcast
it on a podcast, then it wouldstill be safe, secure, and done
in the proper manner.
Yeah.
So it's exciting.
Yeah, for sure.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (08:16):
That's developed.
Well, we are on our way to oneof my spots where I I was
naughty.
Veronica (08:22):
Love it.
And um I'm hoping it's one ofmy spots because we're headed in
the right direction.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (08:27):
Oh, cool.
All right.
Well, that would be kind ofmagical, wouldn't it?
Yeah, so I mean, I haven'treally yet gotten into the topic
of like marital infidelity, butthat is a theme for me.
Like, I've written books nowthat are stories about women
cheating on their husband inparticularly salacious ways.
Like, I mean, the very firstbook that I wrote was this woman
(08:48):
who cheated on her husband withhis boss on her husband's desk.
Fun.
And you know, it was just likeso salacious and naughty.
And, you know, some peoplereally hated that book.
And I understand why.
You know, I totally understandwhy, but that was authentic for
me, that was erotic for me, andit still is.
(09:09):
It wouldn't be authentic for meto shy away from that topic.
I for sure feel like I need tolean into it.
And so this place that we'regoing is a place that I met up
with a married woman.
Not a whole lot happened, butit was definitely things going
on, and and you know, and Icherish this place, and I
(09:31):
cherish her choice to do thisnaughty thing, you know.
I mean, she obviously came upagainst all of her own
narratives about what was itright, was it wrong, all that
kind of thing.
But it was just an authenticchoice for her, and it was
naughty and it was filthy, anduh I loved that about her in
that moment.
(09:51):
And I think I'm always gonna bethe person who, if a woman
makes a choice like that, I'mgonna be pom-poms out,
cheerleader.
Veronica (10:01):
The choices that make you want to feel better about
yourself.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (10:04):
Yeah, I mean, like, I get that there's
plenty of people that are gonnabe judgmental of that, and and
that's their right.
I feel like it's their right tofeel that way and talk that
way, and whatever, but that'snot me.
I'm gonna be, I'm gonnacelebrate her.
And I'm also going to lean intobeing able to like listen to
the person who has been on theother side of that and been
(10:26):
betrayed and had their trustbetrayed.
And so one of the things I loveabout you is I know that you've
experienced both sides.
Veronica (10:34):
Absolutely.
I was gonna say, I am, I am Iam a product of both sides of
that narrative.
And it's funny that you camehere to this spot because my
spot is across the street in twotwo separate areas across the
street with two separateincidences and two separate
gentlemen.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (10:52):
Okay, perfect.
This is perfect, yay.
I love it.
See, it's like it's meant to beit's meant to be.
Yeah, I mean, like, you know,as humans we have morals and we
have judgments, and differentand not everybody has the same
morals and judgments, you know,and but like I mean, I still
believe in God and my viewsabout God have changed.
But what I'm certain of is thatGod sees all this stuff.
(11:12):
He knows, she knows, whatever,you know, version gender.
I think it could be both.
Um, sees it all, knows it all,and I think made us exactly the
way that we are.
Veronica (11:27):
Yes.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (11:28):
And knew exactly what we were gonna do.
Absolutely and I don't believegets nearly as bent up and upset
and angry and judgmental on anyof that stuff about it as we
do.
Veronica (11:41):
Well, yeah, because we as humans overthink,
over-exaggerate, and get overlyemotional about other people's
situations.
Like, why are we so focused onsome somebody else's doings?
Why what I do makes you soangry?
Are you so upset that I choseto sleep with a married man or
(12:02):
stayed faithful to anex-husband, now ex-husband, a
husband who cheated on me.
There's like you said, God seesit.
He sees it all, but he alsogives us these paths.
These paths were created, andwe made the choice to walk down
it or not, but the paths werethere for a reason.
So yeah, I agree.
(12:25):
We know it's funny because thisI'm gonna jump into a story
because this is what it is.
I was divorced, I got divorcedfinalized in 2019, right?
Okay, very tumultuous marriage,abusive mentally, physically,
emotionally.
I mean, just draining,draining.
(12:46):
Um, my ex-husband was anaddict, he was in and out of
rehabs, jails, any rollercoaster ride you can think of,
we were on it.
We were on it, and I was ridingwith him the whole time.
You know, infidelity, there wasjust there was so much
happening, so much happening,and I was so stuck in my head
and this codependency that I hadfor him that I I knew, I knew
(13:08):
the infidelities were happening.
I knew he was sleeping withother women or he was pretending
he was going to, or whateverthe case may be, there were like
14 different women a span ofeight years, and probably more
that I didn't know about.
And I say faithful, yeah,because in my mind I was taught
and told, you know, cheating isbad, don't step out on your
(13:29):
husband.
I'm a Catholic, so you know,there's you don't get divorced,
we don't do that.
But when it came down to it,not you know, I spoke to my
priest and he was like, Oh, yes,absolutely, you can get a
divorce.
And I'm like, I didn't reallyneed his permission, but it felt
good to me at the time to knowthat okay, uh, I can walk away
from this and be alright becauseI've done everything I could
(13:49):
do.
Yeah, in that time span ofbeing with my husband, I never
stepped out, I never cheated.
He made me feel bad about mysexuality, watching porn.
Why am I watching porn when Ihave him?
Right?
Why do I want a sex toy if I'mnot using it while dealing with
him?
Well, because you get on themotherfucking nerves, and
sometimes I just want to takecare of myself, okay, and not
(14:10):
have you bother me.
Also, at the same time, we aswomen, and I this is not all
women, but these are themajority of women that I meet.
We most women like other women.
We find them beautiful, they'reattractive, we watch them in
pornography, we watch them inreal life, and we want to
experience that.
So a lot of times I would bewatching lesbian porn and enjoy
(14:32):
it so much more than my husbandin real life and dealing with
him.
So got divorced from him,jumped back on the scene of many
men and finding my way.
But there was one gentleman whoI met, and I mean I did.
I jump I went to Vegas for aweekend and had a one-night
stand with just some cute guy Isaw at the buffet.
(14:55):
I said, Oh, he's I want him.
And handed him my number, gavehim my room number, and that
night done, perfect, so good.
Didn't even talk to him thenext day.
I was like, Oh, I like this, Ilike doing this.
So then, you know, and also byhaving an eight-year marriage of
just you know, abuse, youreally start to think down on
(15:16):
yourself.
So it was I am a30-something-year-old woman, I
have two children, differentdads, if you want to call them
that, because they don't doanything, you know what I mean?
So now this that narrative wasstuck in my head because that's
what was beat down on me.
You'll never find anybody, theywon't want you for anything but
sex, and you you are nothing.
(15:36):
So I took that and flipped it.
Okay, bet.
Well, maybe I don't want thembut for sex.
Maybe that's all I want.
So I took that and ran with it.
Yeah, sure.
I went from being married andbeing in a relationship for 10
years to literally creating whatI called my roster.
I had a roster, I had astarting five and I had my
(15:59):
bench, my bench.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (16:00):
Love it.
Veronica (16:01):
I did.
So if one of the starting fivefucked up, guess what?
You're out the game, and I'mbringing in somebody off the
bench.
And it worked rather well.
So it was these men that Iwould see on social media.
I wasn't even on dating sites,it was social media, and I'm
like, oh, he's cute, DM.
Oh, he's fine, ooh, DM.
And I literally would just say,Yo, you you look good.
It was the simplest phrases,and they would come back and
(16:23):
they were interested.
And I'm like, oh, okay, I'vegot it.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (16:27):
Right, I've got it.
Veronica (16:28):
Let's make this work.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (16:29):
Yeah.
So I mean the story that myex-husband tried to tell me.
Veronica (16:32):
Yeah, like what was that?
That that was just to keep medown and to mentally abuse me.
That I learned that therapyafter that.
But then I would, I would havethese men, there'd be college
athletes.
College athletes.
There were married men forsure.
There were single guys, but itwas also, I had strict rules
too.
(16:53):
I did not date.
Don't ask me out on a date.
You cannot stay the night,don't bring no spin-a night bag
to my house.
You cannot come between thehours, you can only come, excuse
me, between the hours of 9 30and 11:30.
You get there, you perform, andyou get the fuck out.
That's what it was.
And the men really thought Iwas kidding.
And I'm like, no, right, man.
You show up at 11 o'clock,guess what?
(17:14):
You have 30 minutes to do whatit is you need to do with me,
and then you have to go.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (17:18):
Right, yeah, yeah.
Veronica (17:19):
So I did that for a good year.
I mean, solid, a solid year,and I had this roster.
And don't get me wrong, I had acouple of men that I felt some
type of way about and hadfeelings for, but then cut it
off real quick.
Like, oh no, this is not whatI'm gonna be doing.
And you're not right.
In the mix of all of that,there were two different
(17:39):
gentlemen that kind of weaseltheir way into my heart a little
bit.
And one of which had a fiance,knew this going in, did not give
a fuck.
Yeah.
Wanna know why?
Because he was fine as hell,and I didn't care.
It was like, I I don't care.
I don't want him for anythingmore than a a good sexual
(18:00):
experience.
If even if that, because Ididn't know at that time.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (18:04):
Yeah, right.
So you were on an adventure.
Veronica (18:06):
I was, yeah, I was on an adventure.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (18:08):
And you were like giving yourself
permission.
Yeah.
Veronica (18:11):
Yeah.
And here's the thing.
I know if people knew me andthey knew what I was doing, they
would look at me like you're abad person.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (18:21):
Right.
Veronica (18:22):
Sure, if that's how you see it.
I don't see it that way.
Because again, God said Godopened a path.
It was there.
Also, the gentleman opened upthe path.
The gentleman was the one whoactually approached me in that
manner.
So I signed up my kids for thetraining that he had going on.
And and that was even before Iknew how good looking he was.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (18:45):
Right.
Veronica (18:46):
The first session, I was like, oh my God, he is just
to die for.
Good Lord Almighty.
And that very first night heasked for my phone number, but
he he made it seem like it wason a professional level.
Yeah.
So I took it.
Yeah.
Obviously.
He's texting, had texted thefirst week every single day,
trying to figure out if I wasinterested, if I would keep my
(19:07):
mouth closed, because I don'tthink he realized that I knew he
was engaged because he didn'tsay anything.
But I found out through thegrapevine he was.
Yeah.
So he brought it up.
He said he was a practicingMuslim and he wanted to open his
family up and have multiplewives or girlfriends and this
and I said, Oh, okay, great.
Love it.
(19:27):
See you three days a week.
The other one can have me therest.
I don't need you anymore.
You want to help me with mybills?
Perfect.
I love this dynamic.
I love this idea.
So for a good six months, itwas a good so it was a good,
solid time.
I was sleeping with just himand maybe like one or two other
people that would come in andout of my life.
But solid six months,definitely other people coming
(19:50):
in and out.
The sex was great.
He looked good.
I met his fiance at one point.
She obviously, once I realizedshe didn't know about me and
him, I was like, Alright, he'strying to pull some funny shit,
but I didn't care.
I kept going with him.
I fell for him.
I was like, this is great.
I like this.
I like this concept, thisideal, how he wants to have
these double families.
(20:10):
I'm cool with that.
Okay.
And it got to the point wherehe was starting to feel guilty,
so he broke it off with me.
And I was like, okay, veryemotional about it.
Whatever.
But I was already at that likecutthroat stage.
Okay, you don't want any morefun.
Done.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (20:26):
Yeah.
Veronica (20:27):
We don't need to talk anymore.
Cut off.
It wasn't nothing, but threedays later, he shows back up on
my front door.
On my doorstep, wanting tocontinue.
I was like, okay, that's fine.
Let's go.
Let's continue.
For him, and this is a spotbecause we used to meet up right
over there.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (20:44):
Should we go?
Veronica (20:45):
Let's go.
Let's go.
Let's go.
Because that was one of ourmain spots we met up at.
And it was actually one of mypeaceful places that I would go
by myself when the weather isnice and sit and read a book or
something like that.
And he ruined it for me.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (21:03):
I was wondering, yeah, how you would
feel about having those things.
Veronica (21:08):
He it was alright at first because he was very
peaceful, and the things that wewere doing were very peaceful,
and there was no drama.
And it was alright.
But then when he broke it offwith me, he broke it off with me
there.
I was like, see, that you justruined my space for me.
But this is also the gentlemanthat like he couldn't figure out
what he wanted.
So this is my filthy littlesecret outside of this original
(21:34):
secret of sleeping with this manis that one night I was this
was going into COVID.
So I was an essential workerjust doing a random, like almost
night shift early mornings.
I'd go in at 1 a.m.
and I would be done by 6 30 inthe morning.
He obviously we're all stuck atthe house.
(21:56):
His fiance stuck at the house.
We had nowhere to go.
We couldn't be out.
This is when they were reallyflagging people like you can't
drive, you need to be at home.
This was early onset COVID,like people were going crazy.
And he messaged me and waslike, Hey, do you want to come
to my house before you go towork?
And I said, Wait, what do youmean?
(22:18):
Because isn't your fiance athome?
Right.
And this is midnight.
Yeah, she's asleep.
She sleep upstairs.
I feel like this is one of yourfavorite stories that I've told
you before.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (22:26):
Yes, I love this.
Veronica (22:28):
Yeah, so filthy little dirty secret.
Right?
Yeah.
You ready?
Yes.
Because I don't think I toldyou the front end of this dirty
little secret.
Okay.
Before I got to his house,there was another gentleman who
I had randomly met at my job andI was slightly interested in.
(22:50):
But you know, sometimes whenthe guys pull off their face
masks, you're like, oh, they'renot cute.
That was kind of what it was.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (22:57):
But I was like, put your mask back on.
Veronica (22:59):
Put your mask back on, but your dick was big.
I saw him in the picture.
Great.
A lot of times I needreferences because I don't want
to waste my time.
That was another big thing.
Hey, if you waste my time, ifyou have a small dick, I'm gonna
send you home.
I can't, I don't like to fakeit.
I'm not gonna, I'm not gonnamake you feel good about
yourself when you and I can'tmake me feel good, period.
Right.
Let's not do that.
(23:19):
So he came over around andwithin my 9 30 to 11:30 time
frame.
And yeah, we fucked.
Um, it was pretty good.
It was alright.
It wasn't the best, but it wasokay.
Did the job.
And then I got the text fromthe other gentleman who I was,
you know, infatuated with.
(23:40):
This was this was a number oneplayer on my roster.
Like, this is somebody that Iwas like, I want to be starting
lineup.
I wanted to be around him.
So I'm like, oh, you want me tocome to your house?
Oh, okay, sure.
I'm like, told the other guy toget lost.
Goodbye.
No, we've already finished,we've done, we've had sex, been
there, done that, all that goodjunk.
And I took a shower, rinsed offbest I could, and I took myself
(24:04):
over to his house.
I'm like, hey, you know what?
It's midnight, it's technicallyanother day.
So it doesn't count.
It's another day.
It's not two guys one day, it'stwo guys different day.
It's fine.
Not that there's anythingwrong.
Anybody out there, you do you,if that's how you want to do it.
(24:26):
I know judgment, but in mymind, I was I was like talking
about myself.
So I go to his house, I sneakaround back to his garage.
Um, he lets me in.
We have to be super quietbecause his fiancee is asleep
upstairs.
He takes me into his livingroom.
Okay.
Okay.
And literally, two seconds in,he's bending me over on the
(24:52):
ottoman and going at it from theback.
Just pounding.
Didn't matter.
He finishes.
As soon as he finishes, we hearfootsteps right above us.
Oh wow.
So his fiance was up.
She got up, she walked from herbedroom and went to their
daughter's room because theirdaughter woke up, got their
(25:13):
daughter, walked back to herbedroom and shut the door.
And we were standing downstairsbutt naked.
There was nowhere, there wasnowhere to run if she was coming
down the stairs the way theirhouse was set up.
Yeah.
So he wanted to keep goingbecause I guess he had finished
what he wanted another round.
And I was like, you know what?
Kind of done.
(25:33):
That's crazy.
Uh, because I just think that'sdoing too much.
We've already done it, it'sthere, it's completed.
Yeah.
So I clean up and I leave.
And side note, the fiance, shewas cool.
I met her a couple of times.
I'd been around her.
I'd been to their house forMemorial Day.
You know, I'd been in theirhouse plenty of times when she
(25:55):
was around.
She was cool, but she wasfucking useless.
She was somebody who would sitaround, smoke weed, and not look
for a job while her fianceworked two jobs, ran a business,
and would have the baby withhim at said business.
To me, I don't like that.
I don't like somebody beingtaken advantage of.
(26:17):
I don't like somebody to justsit around and be like, oh,
well, I'm doing the best I can,but you went and did two fucking
Uber Eats, you know, runs andthat's it.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (26:27):
Yeah.
Veronica (26:28):
So it had been like that for a while too.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (26:30):
Yeah, because the whole time I've
known you, I mean, you've been ahustler, you've worked your ass
off, you know, to like and onyour own, taking care of your
kids.
Yes, I can see how for you,somebody who is doing what she's
doing, you're like, oh, I'mgonna fuck your man.
Veronica (26:44):
Yeah, absolutely, because you're taking advantage
of your partner in one way oranother, you're taking advantage
of your partner, and I don'tlike that at all.
And granted, yes, he's cheatingon you, but at the same time, I
could ask, you know, you whatdo you have going on in the
bedroom?
Are you doing anything tosatisfy his needs outside of the
norm?
And even are you satisfying thenormal needs?
(27:05):
So it was only a couple weekslater that I get a phone call
around 11 p.m.
at night and from his phone,and I'm thinking it was him, and
it was not, it was his fiance,and he had decided that the
guilt was getting so bad for himthat he needed to tell her that
(27:27):
we were sleeping together, orlike I should say this that we
slept together because he onlytold them that we had slept
together.
I am I'm the type of personthat I'm not petty nor
vindictive in certainsituations.
It's not my business to tell.
So if your man chose to tellyou that we slept one time,
(27:49):
slept together one time at myhouse, I'm gonna say the same
thing.
Yeah, because in the end, I'mnot there to to hurt people
intentionally, right?
And to go off and to tell thisfiance that story, like girl, I
got fucked in your living roomwhile you were sleeping.
Right, that that can be sodamaging to hear, and it's not
(28:12):
my it's not my business nor myplace to damage her like that.
Yeah, as much as I didn't likeher, that's not for me.
That ended that, althoughrecently this past year, he has
hit me up on WhatsApp to to allof a sudden check in and see
what I'm doing and want to linkup again.
(28:33):
But I don't go backwardseither.
Let me say that.
If I end something or it'sended with me and we haven't
messed around for a significantamount of time, I won't do it
again.
It's over.
My infatuation or excitementabout it is done for.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (28:47):
Gotcha.
Yeah.
Veronica (28:48):
So that was that one.
That was fun.
Yeah.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (28:52):
I love it.
Yeah, I mean, you know, here'sthe thing.
There's so many people, I knowthere's so many people out there
who have these type of storieson the next episode.
Veronica (29:02):
It was a long time after that.
It had to be like six months,seven months.
I'd get a friend request onSnapchat.
And we all know what Snapchatis used for.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (29:14):
Okay.
Veronica (29:16):
I see you.
So that was my end.
That was my oh hey, my door isopen.
Come in.
Marvin aka Morgan Hale (29:24):
And this series on the eroticism of
infidelity.
Thanks for listening to FilthyLittle Secrets.
I hope we left light freeinspire to explore your filthy
sexual horizon.
If you want more, subscribe toget all the filthy feature
button.
If you're a sex positive womanand like to burn another, I want
to talk to you.
Wanna come on the show and tellyour story?
(29:45):
Go to MorganHalebook.com slashpodcast to learn more.
That's M-O-R-A-N-H-A-L-Ebooks.com slash podcast.
Until next time, it's MorganHale to keep it real and okay.
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