April 7, 2025 • 59 mins
Rich Wright's powerful journey from darkness to hope will resonate with anyone who has struggled with mental health while pursuing artistic passions. After surviving a suicide attempt and twelve weeks of intensive treatment, Rich realized traditional psychiatry couldn't provide the answers he needed, sparking his quest for alternative healing that transformed his life.
Rich shares his career transitions—from fashion design for Bacardi International to jewelry making to his role as an "artist lifestyle coach"—emphasizing how creativity and spirituality became pillars of his recovery. He believes creativity isn't just an activity but a spiritual practice that channels source energy and makes the world more beautiful.
The conversation explores flow states, where creation happens effortlessly by quieting the analytical mind and letting heart-centered awareness guide the process. Rich's revolutionary perspective—"the heart is the true brain"—highlights the interplay between heart and mind.
Rich also shares a vulnerable story about a psychic medium channeling his late grandfather—a Southern Baptist minister—validating his spiritual journey beyond traditional frameworks. His eight years with an intuitive healer have brought more healing than decades of conventional therapy.
For creatives battling mental health challenges, Rich’s message is clear: "You are not alone." He understands the physical and mental drain of depression and how it can block creative flow. His parting wisdom—"be kind to your mind"—reminds us that even our toughest mental patterns began as protective mechanisms worthy of compassion.
Ready to transform your relationship with creativity and mental health? Connect with Rich's work to discover how heart-centered awareness can unlock your artistic potential and lead to profound healing.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
So it's continuing to pull and surround and provide
source and protection andnourishment, all of those types
of things.
So when something slips out ofthat community, the community
becomes stronger and amplifiesto be able to take care of what
(00:33):
was just lost.
And I think that in today'ssociety, if we can get to that
and get back to that type of athought process about community
and being strong together ascommunity, then that in and of
itself can help build somethingeven more beautiful today.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Welcome to another edition of For the Love of
Creatives podcast.
I am your host, Dwight, and I'mjoined by our host, Maddox, and
today the Connection andCommunity guys are joined by our
featured guest, Rich Wright.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Hey Rich, Thanks for having me.
I appreciate it All.
Right Appreciate your interest.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah well, we're so glad that you could join us.
I learned a little bit aboutall of the things that you've
done done and it seems likeyou've been on quite a journey.
Even uh from childhood, youknow, you've been engaged in
creative activities from uh fromdrawing design, uh working with
(01:56):
uh world known music acts anduh doing all kinds of things.
Um, could you tell ourlisteners just a little bit
about who you are and whatyou're about?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, I'm a artist and a designer and I've just
recently shifted gears into whatI've coined becoming an artist
lifestyle coach and focusing onmental health within the
creative community.
Because myself I've dealt withmental health struggles since I
(02:34):
was a kid and that is abouthalfway through my life.
I attempted suicide, ended up inthe hospital for six weeks, did
six weeks outpatient after thatand then, you know, went back
into trying to find a job,trying to be creative, all of
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those different things and overthe course of my entire career
as a creative course of myentire career as a creative,
even just starting out when Iwas a kid being creative, I've
had to kind of navigate that andat this point in time in life I
feel like I need to shift fromfocusing on trying to be the
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artist or trying to be thedesigner and succeed at that and
shift into bringing myperspective and how I've dealt
with mental health into thecreative community.
And let them know you are notalone.
I understand that feeling.
(03:40):
I understand what the braindoes during those times.
I understand how physicallydraining that is, how at times
that blocks the creative flow.
I understand what it's like tostand on the edge of life and
death and step off.
So I want all creatives,artists, all creatives to know
(04:07):
you are not alone.
There is somebody thatcompletely understands the full
spectrum of what it's like to bea creative and deal with mental
health struggles.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I think there's a big need for that.
Rich, I think you're ontosomething, and I personally have
not seen anybody else out there.
I haven't searched it, but Ihaven't seen a lot of that
present.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, it's not.
Well, we don't have that insociety in general.
We don't we shy away from thatissue, correct, Correct, general
.
We don't we shy away from thatissue, correct, correct.
And there's many studies thatare going on, even more
prevalent lately, in terms of ashift between whether or not the
brain is the true brain orwhether the heart is the true
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brain, and from what I'veexperienced, my belief is that
potentially, the heart is thetrue brain.
The regular brain is just theone that helps us navigate, and
if we could potentially shiftinto working with both in unison
the heart and the mind thenthings might smooth out a little
(05:22):
more.
And that's part of what I wantto bring into the discussion as
well, because a lot of the yearsof me going to psychiatrists
and psychologists working witheven University of Michigan
Depression Center and being toldby them that we cannot help you
(05:43):
, and so just imagine what thatmight feel like if you're
literally going to one of thetop universities in the country
who's studying depression on alongitudinal basis with many
patients and they say we can'thelp you.
That's the most confusing thingthat you might could ever
(06:05):
experience.
And so, with that, one of thethings that's always been
instinctive for me is tocontinuously search, search for
alternatives, search forsomething that could help me
heal, and through that I've beenable to transition into
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alternative healing modalities.
And you know, later on in theconversation we can circle back
to that and I can expound onthat a bit more.
But that, in a nutshell, is kindof who I am.
Like you mentioned, dwight,I've had quite an extensive
career, not just in one field orindustry.
(06:50):
I've kind of broadened it andjumped into fashion, I've jumped
into jewelry design, tried tobe just a graphic designer,
tried to be a fine artist andI've done all those things.
They just haven't beensustainable up to this point
with being in each one, althoughduring the time periods of
(07:15):
being in those fields I was ableto do quite a few things that
might look fantastic on a resume, but unless they're sustainable
, it's just another resume.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Sure, I'm curious if, in your searching, you came
across the work of the HeartMathInstitute.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yes, yes, absolutely.
I've looked at that quite a fewtimes.
One of the things for me withthat and again, as I'm speaking
these things, I want everybodyto be clear and understand that
I'm giving this from myperspective, so it may work for
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you, it may not work for you,and I want that to be clear as
well, but from my experience, Ihave looked at the heart math.
I have a heart math device.
The block that I have in mymind is part of the breath work
that goes into play with that,and so that's something that I
(08:25):
have to continue to work on, andeventually I believe I will get
there to where I'm able to stayfocused with the breath long
enough to integrate it.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
But as of yet.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I'm still learning, aren't we all?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And what would we do if we weren't?
Oh my God.
You know, yeah, we were exposedto HeartMath about a year ago
and I bought the device, andlife has been so full this year
that it's in a drawer, still inthe box.
I never got it out and playedwith it or even found out
exactly what it's about someday.
But you said something a minuteago that I kind of want to
(09:02):
backtrack to for just a second.
You were talking about sciencetelling you they just didn't
have an answer for you.
I kind of have always felt likewhen science comes to the end
of its rope and doesn't haveanything else to offer, that,
for me, has been where the slackhas been taken up through
(09:27):
spirituality.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I mean, science is about the things that we can see
and we can.
We can quantify it and we canqualify it and all those other
things that we can measure it.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And spirit is the unseen, the things that we can't
see and can't prove.
Yet for many of us we knowtruly important.
And I say that because for mostof my life I would say from
second grade, so six, sevenyears on, so six, seven years on
(10:31):
has been rooted in fundamentalBaptist religion.
Up until seven, my parentsweren't really into it that much
, but I had a grandfather on mymom's side and all of my, all of
my family's, from easttennessee, um, so if there's a
note or hint of any accent there, it's just because I've been
around that for many years, um,but my mother's father was a
(10:55):
southern baptist minister.
So I've had to be ingrained inthat for most of my life.
And then into some of thecollege experience that I had,
and the thing that I feltthrough that was that I was
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never getting the full truth outof it.
It always felt like, okay,you're being told this, but this
is only a part of it.
That was my sense, my feeling,my intuition, that was my
internal, uh, guide, saying wait, there's, it's not expanded
enough, it's not, um, expressedenough, it's, they're just
(11:38):
giving you part, giving you apart.
So, with that structure, if youcan imagine having being told.
You know, you have to respectyour elders, you have to listen
to your elders, because they'rethe ones who are the guides that
are going to direct you in life.
But yet my own intuition, myown internal guide, was telling
(12:00):
me, telling me this is not theway, this is not it, this is not
it um.
And so, with that um, later onin life I had an experience
where a friend of mine who's apsychic um happened to start
channeling um a message to meand, ironically, that message
(12:26):
was coming from my grandfatherwho had passed, who was the
Southern Baptist minister.
Now, if you could catch theirony of that right, which I
think is the point of it all,was the fact that he was coming
through and he was letting meknow because she had no idea of
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any of this informationwhatsoever.
And I didn't know it because itwas based on an experience him
and I had when I was a kid,working out baling hay, and then
we were hot and sweaty afterthe fact and went to town and,
you know, just hung out, cooledoff, and so the message that he
(13:12):
was bringing through he wasdescribing this experience that
we had together and it was insuch detail, all the way down to
the label of what we got toquench that thirst within us.
And what's unique about thatwas that was only a regional
(13:33):
product.
At that point in time, itwasn't anything that we had here
in Michigan.
So he expressed that.
And then he also came throughand said to me you already know
everything you need to know andyou need to just trust yourself,
because everything that you'vethought and believed up to this
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point is real, and it's evenmore so.
Allow yourself the grace tostep into that.
And then, within that samereading, another friend that I
know and knew and I say knewbecause she had passed on and
(14:22):
she was actually murdered in ahorrific way she came through
and she said you are a good manand thank you for being that in
my presence.
So, from that point on, that'swhere I started my journey of
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looking at spirituality,alternative healing methods and
different things of that aspect,which allowed me to start to
open up, allowed my intuition tobecome more in tune, more
intact, allowed my empathy tostart to expand even more so.
(15:07):
But those are the things where Ibelieve what you're trying to
get across, maddox, is the factthat science is not just the
only thing.
If the spirituality is notbrought into the picture, then
you don't have a full spectrumunderstanding of any of it.
I agree Fully, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
And I think our answers are going to be found in
the merging of science andspirituality.
I don't think it's an either,or I think it's an, and
Absolutely.
You know it's like the scienceis like the brain.
The science is like the brain,you know, it's very concrete,
and spirituality is more likethe heart.
(15:50):
It's ethereal and fluid.
I believe in all that stuff.
You know I don't talk about itvery much, but I say the term
loosely because people get alittle weird when you start
talking about channeling.
But every ounce of mycreativity is channeled, every
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ounce of it.
It just comes through and youknow, for me, I know exactly
where it's coming from, right?
Yes, you know, I know it iscoming from source.
It's coming from Right.
Yes, you know, I know it iscoming from source.
It's coming from higher power,god, whatever word you got for
it.
Yeah, I'm very much a deeplyspiritual person, of a big
believer, and I don't considermyself religious at all.
(16:46):
I was opposite story in that myparents were churchgoers when I
was a small child and there wassomething that came about in our
lives.
My dad opened a business when Iwas 11 years old.
We moved to a new city and heopened a business and the
business was something that hehad to work at seven days a week
, so couldn't go to church, andso we stopped going to church
and I look back on that withimmense gratitude, immense
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gratitude.
It never Now later in life, Iattended a church for a period
of time, for about 10 years, butit was very spirit-based, very
spirit-based, but for the mostpart I have that journey has
been more of a solo journey.
I get my community needs met indifferent ways other than
(17:31):
church.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
A little bit of that, because it was a part of my
story.
But within the Bible it sayswhere two or more are gathered,
I'm there with you.
Yes, so you don't have to beinside a building to be in
church.
You don't have to be under anumbrella of Baptist, methodist,
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presbyterian, pentecostal, anyof the above.
You don't have to be underthose umbrellas to be spiritual
or to be in church, as long asyou are speaking about it in a
sense.
That's what it is.
What we're doing right here, ina sense, is church it is.
(18:24):
We brought up the topic ofspirituality and we are
communing, correct?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
exactly, and there are two, two or more of us,
you're exactly, you're right,amen yeah, yeah, um, I I've
always believed that God is notin a building spirit.
God divine, whatever label,it's in me, it's in my heart.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
(18:51):
I don't have to go anywhere toconnect, it's just right here.
Yeah, tell me how you feelabout what I'm about to say,
rich.
I fully believe that ourspiritual nature, whether we're
aware of it or not, is a bigpart of creation, oh, 100% plus
(19:21):
agreed.
I mean, I think everything isspiritual, but there are people
that are not consciously part ofthat and then there are people
that are consciously part ofthat.
I personally believe that thathas.
It's just like community.
Community enhances whatever itis that you're doing.
(19:45):
Yes, If you're working onmental health, if you're working
on staying sober or drugaddiction, or you're working on
overcoming abuse, it doesn'tmatter what it is.
Community speeds that processup, gives us things that we
wouldn't have had if we weregoing solo.
(20:08):
The same is true for creativity.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Absolutely 100% plus, agreed on that.
I believe that, again, that'spart of what I'm trying to bring
to the forefront as well withincommunities the fact that if
creatives and artists can get toa place of healing, if they're
(20:36):
struggling, the amount of lightthat will expound out of their
work will change the world.
Because when we're creating andwe slip into that flow state,
that state of being where allperception of space and time
(20:58):
dissipates and creatives willunderstand this, what I'm saying
, because I'm sure that they'veprobably experienced it at some
point in time you slip into astate where you're just fully in
creation and that, essentially,is tied just to source energy,
source energy of creation, tiedto the Creator Himself.
(21:21):
So if it's understood, or canbe understood, that every time
you put a pencil to a paper, youstrike a string on a guitar,
hit a key on a piano, dab yourbrush into a color of paint,
(21:45):
that in and of itself is aspiritual practice, because
you're making the world morebeautiful by what you are
creating.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I would like to add to the list.
Come up with a great idea,exactly, to add to the list.
Come up with a great idea.
Exactly, you know it, it, um,which that in of itself can also
make the world more beautiful,not necessarily visually, right,
right, but there's, there'snothing that's really exempt
from what you just said, correct?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
correct and and that, in and of itself, right there,
that key phrase and sentence waswhat allowed me the confidence,
without even knowing any of thetechnical aspects of it,
allowed me to just jump rightinto fashion when I quit college
(22:42):
because I couldn't afford tocontinue and I was failing every
other class except for my artclasses.
But I jumped right into fashionand started designing, only for
the and just for the simplefact that I knew I could draw
what I wanted to see as afinished product.
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And that's what I did.
I went out and I found aseamstress who I could work with
, who could look at my visualdrawings and then take those and
turn them into 3D product.
The other thing that she didfor me was she taught me how to
measure, how to takemeasurements on a human form and
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then translate those back intothe garment that I was designing
.
So I didn't need the school totell me that, I just had
somebody who was experienced andalready doing the work.
That allowed me to expandwithin that field.
And then I went on to do designwork for Bacardi International.
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I was designing promotionaloutfits for all of their events,
ended up being asked to designall of the promotional outfits
for the 2001 Kentucky Derby.
So that was that element thatcomes into play.
I was asked by Absolute Vodkato be a part of their Absolute
(24:13):
Vodka Co-Cheer Fashion Shows asa local artist when they came to
Metro Detroit.
When they came to Metro Detroit, not knowing or having any
formal training in fashiondesign, that's what I was doing
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at that point in time.
And then fast forward to 2010,.
I dove headfirst into thejewelry industry, had no clue
about jewelry other than I knewI could draw it, about jewelry
other than I knew I could drawit.
And if I could draw it, I'vealready seen other stuff that's
on the market and it had tostart from a drawing and an idea
and a concept to get to thatpoint.
So if I can draw it in the wayI want to see it in 3D, then I
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can take that paper, that pieceof paper, I can go to a wax
carver, I can go to a CADdesigner or I can just go
straight to the manufacturingcompany and say, look, this is
my idea, this is where I'm goingto create.
And then they started workingwith me and helping me
understand.
Okay, this is the process ofhow we take this from your
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drawing to the finished product.
Now, again, it was a learningcurve and a lot of people that
go to school for jewelry designor go to gemology school to
understand stones and differentthings like that how they're cut
, clarity and value of thoseyeah, I jumped the line, so to
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speak.
But I don't look at it asjumping the line.
I just look at it asunderstanding myself and what I
knew and could comprehend andvisually create versus what I
wanted to try and learn.
That was going to take up abunch of time and take longer
(26:03):
for me to get to where I wantedto be.
So one of the key elements ofthat was having to learn.
Everything is measured inmillimeters in the jewelry
industry, so it's not thinkingof it as inches or centimeters
or anything.
It's all millimeters.
So I had to start translatingeverything that I was drawing
into millimeter perspectives andthen from that it just took off
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and I was able to develop myown designer line of jewelry
market that across the MidwestWithin the first year by 2011,
2012, first quarter, we were innine different stores throughout
the Midwest with the productand then from then on it was
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just a matter of consistentlycreating and putting stuff into
the marketplace.
And then you know, you fastforward up to 2019, the pandemic
starting to hit 2020 hits fullon and the market's going up on
the price of gold and silver,and it was.
I had to look at it verystrongly and be like this is not
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going to be sustainable overthe next couple of years.
So I went ahead and I justclosed that down Now.
That's not to say, at somecertain point in time, that I
can revive that and bring thatback into the storyline, maybe
what I'm doing with the artist,lifestyle coaching and have that
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as something that helpsindividuals individuals because
when I started getting towardsthe end of the trajectory of it
in terms of just a timeline, Iwas starting to look at it more
from a chemical point of view,which played into the
spirituality as well, my growthin the spiritual spirituality of
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my healing.
I started looking at metals asways of alchemically changing
the energy and the vibration ofthe piece so that it could
potentially be more amplifiedand beneficial to the person
that it was going to.
So if, at some point in time, Ican bring that back in and
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fully integrate that alchemicalexperience into those pieces and
share those in that way, whoknows what could happen.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I think it's interesting that you would term
it that way because, as I lookat the various transitions
you've made in your life, youhave gone through your own
personal alchemy.
Yes, you've transformed manytimes yes, absolutely, right,
(28:55):
absolutely yes, your ability topivot is impressive and
inspiring.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Thank you for that.
You said something that I wantto pull tease out a little bit
more.
You talked about the flow state, and I think most of us, as
creatives, are certainly awareof that language, that
terminology.
I know I am.
What is it that enables you?
(29:27):
What is it that you do?
Or space do you put yourself in?
That enables you to?
I mean, it would be an internaland an external thing to really
put yourself in that flowenergy.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Really put yourself in that flow energy.
So for me it may be a littlebit different, and I say that
just for the simple fact that Iwas given my gifts.
My ability to create was giftedbecause I started so early
drawing creating.
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I told a story the other day,related it to just Legos.
Whereas when I was young wedidn't have a whole lot of money
, so I didn't get fantasticChristmas presents every year, I
just got whatever my parentscould afford.
Fantastic Christmas presentsevery year, I just got whatever
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my parents could afford and Ihad a few Legos.
But I wasn't getting full onbox sets of what kids can get
today, but the little bit ofLegos that I got I would
continuously build something out, and then the next day I would
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go back to it and tear it allapart and then build something
else.
And so for me, that creativityis always there.
It never goes away.
I don't, I don't ever have totry and find it.
Um, to be inspired, I look at.
Look to other things to beinspired, I look at.
Look to other things to beinspired.
I look to music, I look tofashion.
Um, I look to?
(31:05):
Um museums.
I study other people's work,other people's arts.
I follow many music artists andcreatives um and social media,
so I'm always looking at whatthey're doing and usually that's
generating the ideas that cometo me, which you'd mentioned
earlier.
Just an idea, bringing that tothe world.
(31:27):
But when I'm creating and it'ssomething that I'm truly vibing
with, it's a concept that Ireally want to dive into.
A concept that I really want todive into and I start working
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with it, coming up with sketches, coming up with color to play
into it, or if I'm designing aproduct line or different things
like that.
For me, what happens is when Ifeel that energy of this is
really starting to click and I'menjoying it and I'm feeling
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into it energetically, becauseyou can create something and be
partly connected to it andpartly disconnected to it,
partly connected to it andpartly disconnected to it.
That disconnected component isyou thinking about every single
step that you're taking in thatcreative process.
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When you're in a flow state, orin that state of when you're
really tuning into the energy ofcreation, really tuning into
the energy of creation, the mindstarts to fade in terms of the
chatter that it's bringing up,saying you know, no, don't do it
that way, no, don't do it thisway.
No, it's not perfect enough yet.
(32:53):
You got to keep working on thatarea.
When you're in that flow state,you're starting allowing the
energy to keep moving, that flowstate, you're starting allowing
to the energy to keep moving,that gut noise dissipates and it
goes away and you slip intokind of a portal for lack of a
better word at this point.
You slip into this portal whereit's just you, the energy and
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the flow of creation, and thatis when you can expand.
That's when it starts to expand.
It grows into multiple ideasand multiple things.
Or, if you're staying in onesingular piece that you're
working on, that pieceultimately becomes something
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that you didn't even think itwas when you first started.
It becomes more than what youoriginally thought, what your
brain was telling you you wantedit to be.
It goes beyond that and becomessomething completely different,
which I believe those are thetypes of things that speak to
people the most.
(34:02):
Those are the things that touchpeople's lives, touch people's
hearts, touch people's emotions.
Those are the true connections,and that, in and of itself,
starts to create a communitywithout being necessarily a
community, because whoever picksthat piece up or buys that
(34:26):
piece or is gifted that piece,the connection of line of energy
, is still coming from you andyou may not know who it's going
to, but that line of energy isstill intact.
And that played into a littlebit of what you spoke on earlier
, maddox of things beingconnected all around us.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
You know, what you're saying has certainly played out
in our experience.
We ever could have possiblyeven conceived, when we started,
just having little gatheringsat our house to create more
social life and to build ourcircle of friends.
(35:12):
We never that was all we weredoing.
We thought, and the universehad a different plan and a
different idea.
Okay, um, I think that whatyou're describing plays into all
kinds yes, definitely all kindsof creativity.
I know, for me, the ideas justflow so easily.
(35:38):
I don't ever have to.
There's just rarely, ever, ever, a block, yeah, and it's not.
But I think that oftentimesthat I'm not finishing my
sentences because I think fasterthan I can talk.
Sometimes I think the when weget tripped up oftentimes is we
(36:03):
try to force the idea.
We want this idea, right, wewant this idea.
You know, correct, I want anidea.
I'm sitting in front of thepaper and I want to write a
novel.
I want the idea for my novel,and I don't know that it really
(36:24):
works that way.
You know, I always say you know, regardless of what you call it
, god doesn't always give uswhat we want.
Sometimes God gives us what weneed Exactly, and so I just get
in a quiet space.
Now does the creative stuff andall the ideas come through
(36:44):
anywhere?
Any place?
Yes, yes, anywhere.
But the places where they showup the most are during
meditation, when I'm walking outin nature, when I'm in the
shower.
But they come, you know, and itcan come from overhearing some
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conversation at the next tablein a restaurant.
I'll just hear something thatwill just I'll just go, oh my
God.
Don't even know what they weretalking about, but I just heard
just enough that it sparkedsomething, and something comes
through.
It could come from the words ona billboard going down the
freeway, or the words of a song.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
We're always surrounded by it.
It's just a matter of beingopen, and when you're in those
states where you're not soeasily, so readily distracted or
pushed to the next thing, thenyou are a little more receptive,
and so you can pick up on thosethings that may have been, and
(37:48):
so you can pick up on thosethings that may have been
stewing for a little bit.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah, absolutely, dwight.
That is the beauty of it, andif we're able to be able to get
that message to as manycreatives as possible, that just
be open.
Yeah, rather than trying tothink it out.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Don't.
Don't squeeze it down and thinkthat you've got to know what it
has to look like this.
Give me an idea, but it has tolook like this.
No, just give me the friggingidea.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
And it just comes through.
I get way more than I couldever act on Same.
I get insane ideas and they'reall written down somewhere or
recorded somewhere and sometimesI come back to them and they
start to work on them and takeaction on them.
I'm reading a book right nowand this will segue into
(38:47):
something we briefly spoke aboutbefore we hit the record button
.
I'm reading a book right nowwhere the author says, and I
really I was like, yes, I get itthat the ideas, that intuition
and the ideas is feminine energy, but the part of us that takes
(39:08):
action on those ideas ismasculine energy, Right, Right.
And people have a tendency, hesays in the book, and I agree,
people have a tendency to wantto either pick one or the other.
It's an either.
Or I'm going to work infeminine energy, or I'm going to
work in masculine energy.
And and there's this whole, no,we don't want, you know, peanut
(39:29):
butter in our gel, in our, ourjelly, or peanut chocolate in
our peanut butter, whatever.
And you know, once again,there's where your creative
blocks come, your, your, thatthe energy and that intuition
and those ideas and all of thatdefinitely come through in
different forms.
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It's masculine or feminine.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
And you got to be open to both.
Exactly, exactly, and if youlook at it from that perspective
and, for those who are notunderstanding the spiritual
elements of what you just said,if you look at it from a
scientific standpoint, thefeminine is the part that holds
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the creation from its inception.
The feminine holds the inceptedconcept, the idea.
The child holds that for ninemonths, sometimes shorter,
(40:53):
sometimes longer, but thefeminine is what carries that
and allows that to grow withinand then eventually it comes out
right.
So the feminine for what?
What you're saying and where Ibelieve you're trying to get the
idea across, um about the, thetwo to hold the creation in
place and then, once it'smatured to a certain point, it's
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allowed to come out and then,from there on, it grows even
more.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
When.
That's when you know themasculine comes in, that's when
dad gets involved.
I mean, dad was involved backthere, certainly at some point,
of course.
But just the family unit itselfis very symbolic of the
creative process, whether it'screating a baby or creating
(41:45):
anything.
Whether it's creating a baby orcreating anything, that that
play of mom and dad, feminine,masculine.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Never thought of it like that.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Never thought of it like that, but all of a sudden
I'm like connecting the dots andgoing oh wow, it's all around
us if we just open our eyes.
Yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
And go ahead, dwight, go ahead.
I think it's funny how we canget so caught up on how we label
things and, yes, when we, whenwe, when we call it feminine and
masculine, and it's easy torelate to because they're
opposites, but it also brings upa whole host of different
baggage that comes along with it.
(42:22):
I I've seen a differentapproach, pointing to science,
where, if you were to just shiftthe labels just a little bit
and look at different attributes, I love the work of Vanessa Van
Edwards where, instead ofmasculine, she's focused on
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elements of competence versuselements of warmth.
Yeah, and to be, to beeffective, you have to master
both and know how to dial themup and down and know how to be
receptive to them when youencounter them.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, that's.
That's beautiful, it's reallybeautiful, because that is very
much true.
One of the other things that Ilook at as well is within
society.
The familial structure hasdeteriorated to an extent and I
(43:30):
feel at this time community ismore important, as ever was
because of the familialcomponent that may not really
ever met fully.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
I just got this intuitive hit that in current
society I won't speak to pastSure Community has the power to
be more valuable than family.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Absolutely, absolutely.
I'll give you anothercorrelation to that is always
about taking care of one another, taking care of those that are
(44:52):
in need, taking care of thewhole structure and at any point
in time, if there's a loss, ifthere's a loss of a warrior, if
there's a loss of a mother, ifthere's a loss of a sister, a
loss of a brother, the tribalcommunity steps in to help fill
that gap.
So it's continuing to pull andsurround and provide source and
(45:18):
protection and nourishment, allof those types of things.
So when something slips out ofthat community, the community
becomes stronger and amplifiesto be able to take care of what
was just lost.
And I think that in today'ssociety, if we can get to that
(45:42):
and get back to that type of athought process about community
and being strong together ascommunity, then that in and of
itself can help build somethingeven more beautiful today.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Yes, yes, I'm thinking about my own situation.
I love my family, but they'rescattered all over the country,
yeah, and I don't see them often, right, and they don't really
know me and I don't really knowthem.
I love them, but my communityknows me way better than my
(46:24):
family Right me way better thanmy family Right, and, honestly,
I feel like I can't speakfactually.
I feel like my communitybelieves in me on a greater
level than my family does Not myfamily at all.
They're lovely people, but Irarely see or speak to them and
(46:50):
they don't know me.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Right and that is true and I can relate to that in
a sense because, like Imentioned, my family's all in
East Tennessee.
The only two people here inMichigan are myself.
The only two people here inMichigan are myself and my
mother.
At this point my dad has passedbut I grew up kind of being
(47:21):
separated from the familybecause we were all here in
Michigan and my dad brought mymom up here in the 60s just for
the simple fact that work wasmore readily available here.
He was a mechanic for most of mylifetime so he came up here to
(47:41):
work on cars and they were inabundance so he was able to work
and make money to provide.
He didn't make a whole lot buthe made enough for us to be able
to be sustained.
But I didn't get to grow upwith my cousins.
I didn't get to grow up beingaround my aunts and uncles and
my grandparents and all thatkind of stuff on a regular basis
(48:02):
.
So I absolutely understand thatthey don't know who you are,
because mine don't fully knowwho I am as well.
They don't even know.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
They know who they think I am.
I mean, they think they knowwho I am, correct.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Correct, and they don't even know what my healing
journey has been about at all.
So even that element, theydon't fully know what's going on
or know what's happening orknow who I am today.
They remember what I was when Iwas 10, right and running
around in the yard.
They remember that.
(48:38):
They know what that was, who Iwas then.
They don't know who I am now,though.
They have a conceptual ideabecause of social media and
different things like that.
They have a conceptual ideabecause they can go to a website
and see different things, butwe're not in constant contact.
We don't have communication ison daily basis or any of that
(49:00):
type of stuff.
It's even at this point.
It's even farther and farbetween that.
I have that connection andcommunication just because of
life circumstances.
So, you know, the communitything becomes important for
people from that element andthat side and that aspect,
(49:22):
because a lot of times thecommunity gets to know you more
and who you are within thepresent tense, the present
moment.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
I think the concept of community is very
misunderstood and we actuallyare going to do an episode on
that.
Dwight and I are just going toriff on what community is and
what community isn't.
Now, you know, is ourdefinition of that the gospel?
No, probably not.
You know, it's our definition,the way we want to operate, but
(49:59):
the concept of community, Iwould say there's a lot of
people that really don't reallyknow what community is.
A lot of things that we referto as community are not
community.
It.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
they're groups, right right, yeah, exactly two
different words two completelydifferent words and two
completely different energiesyeah, yeah, totally well um, we
are reaching a point where weneed to start to draw things to
a close.
Um, I'd like to uh, pose to yousome rapid fire questions.
(50:37):
If you're willing to give somerapid fire answers, absolutely,
I'll do my best, okay?
Um, okay, you've mentioned thatyou've done such a variety of
things.
You've had to pivot so manytimes.
What's one creative pursuitthat you haven't taken on yet
(51:03):
that you'd like to try?
Speaker 1 (51:09):
yet that you'd like to try.
That's a hard one.
I don't know if I'm going toget rapid on that.
I think what I'm stepping intobeing an artist, lifestyle coach
, I think that's.
I haven't tried that, I haven'tdone that.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
Now in a sense Good answer.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yeah, in a sense I've .
I've done that a little bitwith clients over the years, but
I haven't really stepped intothat and embody that.
So I think that's that's thecreative that I want to step
into and do next.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
That's, that's sounds like the next alchemical change
.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
Yes, yes, you know Rich.
I just want to tell you, buddy,I believe in you.
Yeah, Thank you.
Same here.
I appreciate hearing you talkand all your experiences and the
way you've navigated all that.
If I were experiencing somemental health issues, I would
(52:12):
have no problem reaching out andsaying, hey, you're the man.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
And please do.
If you ever are in that state,please do.
I'm fully open to that, fullyfully.
I believe I have to becompletely open and honest about
my experiences in order for itto help somebody else, so I'm
(52:38):
willing to step into that fullon Well, and you have an energy.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
I can feel the warmth , I can feel the compassion're.
You're bringing all theingredients to what you're doing
and just I just want toacknowledge that.
Thank you, yeah same.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Um.
Next rapid fire question.
Uh, you, you have taken yourown path and trying to navigate
life and not necessarilyfollowed what's safe or what's
prescribed.
What advice would you give tosome young creative that's
(53:20):
struggling?
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Number one you're not alone in your struggle.
I've experienced it over andover and over.
I would advise them topotentially listen to their
heart, listen to their gut,maybe consider what they're
(53:44):
being told, but don't take it onfully.
Allow yourself to beexperimental, because in doing
so, you might find the thingthat completely switches your
trajectory.
Be open, be curious and don'tbe afraid to fail.
(54:05):
I've failed many, many timesBankruptcies, businesses, all of
it.
At this point, I don't give ashit.
I just start over, I'llreinvent.
I love it.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
Resilience yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Love it.
And final rapid fire questionwhat is the greatest gift that
you can look back on your lifeon and appreciate?
Speaker 1 (54:42):
I would say my grandfather coming through that
psychic medium giving me thatmessage from the other side.
Because literally that changedmy mindset, my experience of
what the world looked like atthat point in time.
(55:05):
I will tap in one more alongwith that as well.
Yeah, um, in 2016, I startedworking with an intuitive healer
.
Um, her name is marilyn edwards.
She's in saint augustine,florida.
I've worked with her longdistance, uh, the entire time
(55:25):
that we've known each other, andit's been eight years.
Now.
She is another person who'scompletely changed my trajectory
.
I've grown exponentially in myhealing journey over the eight
years of working with her.
Then I have 25 plus years ofpsychotherapy, cognitive therapy
(55:47):
, working in traditionalmedicine.
Those are the two things thatI'm absolutely grateful for.
Beyond words.
That has changed my life.
Speaker 3 (56:03):
Rich, please share that information with us so we
can put her in the show notes.
That's a beautiful resource andshe got plugged verbally, so
let's let's plug her with a linkso people can find her if
they're interested website,richwrightunlimited or the
(56:31):
artistrecoverycom.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
I have links from there as well, directly to her
and any other of the resourcesthat I have on that page Awesome
.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
Beautiful.
Is there anything else thatyou'd like to share with our
listeners that we covered inthis session?
Speaker 1 (56:52):
I would like to say that be kind to your mind.
That's one of my taglines thatI'm trying to integrate.
But be kind to your mindbecause the mind is set up to
(57:12):
protect you.
At particular points in timethroughout your life, you've
experienced something that hashurt your spirit, your soul, uh,
and created, uh, a crack in it,so to speak.
(57:34):
Um, it's not always the rightthing, but it's a mechanism that
is there for future protection,going forward, and the key to
being able to resolve that isshifting down into your heart
(57:55):
space.
If you can start listening toyour heart, then you can have
compassion for what your mindhas done.
So be kind to the mind andshift into your heart space,
because that's when you're gonnabe able to start healing and
you're gonna be able to the mindand shift into your heart space
, because that's when you'regoing to be able to start
healing and you're going to beable to let your mind know Thank
you for protecting me for up tothis point in my life, but I've
(58:17):
got it.
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
I love that too.
Wow, Rich, this has been anamazing conversation.
I feel like I know you.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
Same.
I appreciate you guys, Iappreciate you having me on, I
appreciate you being open tojust reaching out in the first
place.
And as I'm saying this, I'mloaded up with chills because I
know, I know that there's aconnection here that potentially
(58:54):
can blossom um.
Speaker 3 (58:55):
Yes, absolutely.
Yeah, I'm thinkingcollaboration in the future.
Yeah,
So it's continuing to pull and surround and provide
source and protection andnourishment, all of those types
of things.
So when something slips out ofthat community, the community
becomes stronger and amplifiesto be able to take care of what
(00:33):
was just lost.
And I think that in today'ssociety, if we can get to that
and get back to that type of athought process about community
and being strong together ascommunity, then that in and of
itself can help build somethingeven more beautiful today.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Welcome to another edition of For the Love of
Creatives podcast.
I am your host, Dwight, and I'mjoined by our host, Maddox, and
today the Connection andCommunity guys are joined by our
featured guest, Rich Wright.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Hey Rich, Thanks for having me.
I appreciate it All.
Right Appreciate your interest.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah well, we're so glad that you could join us.
I learned a little bit aboutall of the things that you've
done done and it seems likeyou've been on quite a journey.
Even uh from childhood, youknow, you've been engaged in
creative activities from uh fromdrawing design, uh working with
(01:56):
uh world known music acts anduh doing all kinds of things.
Um, could you tell ourlisteners just a little bit
about who you are and whatyou're about?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, I'm a artist and a designer and I've just
recently shifted gears into whatI've coined becoming an artist
lifestyle coach and focusing onmental health within the
creative community.
Because myself I've dealt withmental health struggles since I
(02:34):
was a kid and that is abouthalfway through my life.
I attempted suicide, ended up inthe hospital for six weeks, did
six weeks outpatient after thatand then, you know, went back
into trying to find a job,trying to be creative, all of
(02:57):
those different things and overthe course of my entire career
as a creative course of myentire career as a creative,
even just starting out when Iwas a kid being creative, I've
had to kind of navigate that andat this point in time in life I
feel like I need to shift fromfocusing on trying to be the
(03:19):
artist or trying to be thedesigner and succeed at that and
shift into bringing myperspective and how I've dealt
with mental health into thecreative community.
And let them know you are notalone.
I understand that feeling.
(03:40):
I understand what the braindoes during those times.
I understand how physicallydraining that is, how at times
that blocks the creative flow.
I understand what it's like tostand on the edge of life and
death and step off.
So I want all creatives,artists, all creatives to know
(04:07):
you are not alone.
There is somebody thatcompletely understands the full
spectrum of what it's like to bea creative and deal with mental
health struggles.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I think there's a big need for that.
Rich, I think you're ontosomething, and I personally have
not seen anybody else out there.
I haven't searched it, but Ihaven't seen a lot of that
present.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, it's not.
Well, we don't have that insociety in general.
We don't we shy away from thatissue, correct, Correct, general
.
We don't we shy away from thatissue, correct, correct.
And there's many studies thatare going on, even more
prevalent lately, in terms of ashift between whether or not the
brain is the true brain orwhether the heart is the true
(04:59):
brain, and from what I'veexperienced, my belief is that
potentially, the heart is thetrue brain.
The regular brain is just theone that helps us navigate, and
if we could potentially shiftinto working with both in unison
the heart and the mind thenthings might smooth out a little
(05:22):
more.
And that's part of what I wantto bring into the discussion as
well, because a lot of the yearsof me going to psychiatrists
and psychologists working witheven University of Michigan
Depression Center and being toldby them that we cannot help you
(05:43):
, and so just imagine what thatmight feel like if you're
literally going to one of thetop universities in the country
who's studying depression on alongitudinal basis with many
patients and they say we can'thelp you.
That's the most confusing thingthat you might could ever
(06:05):
experience.
And so, with that, one of thethings that's always been
instinctive for me is tocontinuously search, search for
alternatives, search forsomething that could help me
heal, and through that I've beenable to transition into
(06:26):
alternative healing modalities.
And you know, later on in theconversation we can circle back
to that and I can expound onthat a bit more.
But that, in a nutshell, is kindof who I am.
Like you mentioned, dwight,I've had quite an extensive
career, not just in one field orindustry.
(06:50):
I've kind of broadened it andjumped into fashion, I've jumped
into jewelry design, tried tobe just a graphic designer,
tried to be a fine artist andI've done all those things.
They just haven't beensustainable up to this point
with being in each one, althoughduring the time periods of
(07:15):
being in those fields I was ableto do quite a few things that
might look fantastic on a resume, but unless they're sustainable
, it's just another resume.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Sure, I'm curious if, in your searching, you came
across the work of the HeartMathInstitute.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yes, yes, absolutely.
I've looked at that quite a fewtimes.
One of the things for me withthat and again, as I'm speaking
these things, I want everybodyto be clear and understand that
I'm giving this from myperspective, so it may work for
(08:00):
you, it may not work for you,and I want that to be clear as
well, but from my experience, Ihave looked at the heart math.
I have a heart math device.
The block that I have in mymind is part of the breath work
that goes into play with that,and so that's something that I
(08:25):
have to continue to work on, andeventually I believe I will get
there to where I'm able to stayfocused with the breath long
enough to integrate it.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
But as of yet.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I'm still learning, aren't we all?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And what would we do if we weren't?
Oh my God.
You know, yeah, we were exposedto HeartMath about a year ago
and I bought the device, andlife has been so full this year
that it's in a drawer, still inthe box.
I never got it out and playedwith it or even found out
exactly what it's about someday.
But you said something a minuteago that I kind of want to
(09:02):
backtrack to for just a second.
You were talking about sciencetelling you they just didn't
have an answer for you.
I kind of have always felt likewhen science comes to the end
of its rope and doesn't haveanything else to offer, that,
for me, has been where the slackhas been taken up through
(09:27):
spirituality.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I mean, science is about the things that we can see
and we can.
We can quantify it and we canqualify it and all those other
things that we can measure it.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And spirit is the unseen, the things that we can't
see and can't prove.
Yet for many of us we knowtruly important.
And I say that because for mostof my life I would say from
second grade, so six, sevenyears on, so six, seven years on
(10:31):
has been rooted in fundamentalBaptist religion.
Up until seven, my parentsweren't really into it that much
, but I had a grandfather on mymom's side and all of my, all of
my family's, from easttennessee, um, so if there's a
note or hint of any accent there, it's just because I've been
around that for many years, um,but my mother's father was a
(10:55):
southern baptist minister.
So I've had to be ingrained inthat for most of my life.
And then into some of thecollege experience that I had,
and the thing that I feltthrough that was that I was
(11:16):
never getting the full truth outof it.
It always felt like, okay,you're being told this, but this
is only a part of it.
That was my sense, my feeling,my intuition, that was my
internal, uh, guide, saying wait, there's, it's not expanded
enough, it's not, um, expressedenough, it's, they're just
(11:38):
giving you part, giving you apart.
So, with that structure, if youcan imagine having being told.
You know, you have to respectyour elders, you have to listen
to your elders, because they'rethe ones who are the guides that
are going to direct you in life.
But yet my own intuition, myown internal guide, was telling
(12:00):
me, telling me this is not theway, this is not it, this is not
it um.
And so, with that um, later onin life I had an experience
where a friend of mine who's apsychic um happened to start
channeling um a message to meand, ironically, that message
(12:26):
was coming from my grandfatherwho had passed, who was the
Southern Baptist minister.
Now, if you could catch theirony of that right, which I
think is the point of it all,was the fact that he was coming
through and he was letting meknow because she had no idea of
(12:49):
any of this informationwhatsoever.
And I didn't know it because itwas based on an experience him
and I had when I was a kid,working out baling hay, and then
we were hot and sweaty afterthe fact and went to town and,
you know, just hung out, cooledoff, and so the message that he
(13:12):
was bringing through he wasdescribing this experience that
we had together and it was insuch detail, all the way down to
the label of what we got toquench that thirst within us.
And what's unique about thatwas that was only a regional
(13:33):
product.
At that point in time, itwasn't anything that we had here
in Michigan.
So he expressed that.
And then he also came throughand said to me you already know
everything you need to know andyou need to just trust yourself,
because everything that you'vethought and believed up to this
(13:58):
point is real, and it's evenmore so.
Allow yourself the grace tostep into that.
And then, within that samereading, another friend that I
know and knew and I say knewbecause she had passed on and
(14:22):
she was actually murdered in ahorrific way she came through
and she said you are a good manand thank you for being that in
my presence.
So, from that point on, that'swhere I started my journey of
(14:45):
looking at spirituality,alternative healing methods and
different things of that aspect,which allowed me to start to
open up, allowed my intuition tobecome more in tune, more
intact, allowed my empathy tostart to expand even more so.
(15:07):
But those are the things where Ibelieve what you're trying to
get across, maddox, is the factthat science is not just the
only thing.
If the spirituality is notbrought into the picture, then
you don't have a full spectrumunderstanding of any of it.
I agree Fully, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
And I think our answers are going to be found in
the merging of science andspirituality.
I don't think it's an either,or I think it's an, and
Absolutely.
You know it's like the scienceis like the brain.
The science is like the brain,you know, it's very concrete,
and spirituality is more likethe heart.
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It's ethereal and fluid.
I believe in all that stuff.
You know I don't talk about itvery much, but I say the term
loosely because people get alittle weird when you start
talking about channeling.
But every ounce of mycreativity is channeled, every
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ounce of it.
It just comes through and youknow, for me, I know exactly
where it's coming from, right?
Yes, you know, I know it iscoming from source.
It's coming from Right.
Yes, you know, I know it iscoming from source.
It's coming from higher power,god, whatever word you got for
it.
Yeah, I'm very much a deeplyspiritual person, of a big
believer, and I don't considermyself religious at all.
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I was opposite story in that myparents were churchgoers when I
was a small child and there wassomething that came about in our
lives.
My dad opened a business when Iwas 11 years old.
We moved to a new city and heopened a business and the
business was something that hehad to work at seven days a week
, so couldn't go to church, andso we stopped going to church
and I look back on that withimmense gratitude, immense
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gratitude.
It never Now later in life, Iattended a church for a period
of time, for about 10 years, butit was very spirit-based, very
spirit-based, but for the mostpart I have that journey has
been more of a solo journey.
I get my community needs met indifferent ways other than
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church.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
A little bit of that, because it was a part of my
story.
But within the Bible it sayswhere two or more are gathered,
I'm there with you.
Yes, so you don't have to beinside a building to be in
church.
You don't have to be under anumbrella of Baptist, methodist,
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presbyterian, pentecostal, anyof the above.
You don't have to be underthose umbrellas to be spiritual
or to be in church, as long asyou are speaking about it in a
sense.
That's what it is.
What we're doing right here, ina sense, is church it is.
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We brought up the topic ofspirituality and we are
communing, correct?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
exactly, and there are two, two or more of us,
you're exactly, you're right,amen yeah, yeah, um, I I've
always believed that God is notin a building spirit.
God divine, whatever label,it's in me, it's in my heart.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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I don't have to go anywhere toconnect, it's just right here.
Yeah, tell me how you feelabout what I'm about to say,
rich.
I fully believe that ourspiritual nature, whether we're
aware of it or not, is a bigpart of creation, oh, 100% plus
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agreed.
I mean, I think everything isspiritual, but there are people
that are not consciously part ofthat and then there are people
that are consciously part ofthat.
I personally believe that thathas.
It's just like community.
Community enhances whatever itis that you're doing.
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Yes, If you're working onmental health, if you're working
on staying sober or drugaddiction, or you're working on
overcoming abuse, it doesn'tmatter what it is.
Community speeds that processup, gives us things that we
wouldn't have had if we weregoing solo.
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The same is true for creativity.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Absolutely 100% plus, agreed on that.
I believe that, again, that'spart of what I'm trying to bring
to the forefront as well withincommunities the fact that if
creatives and artists can get toa place of healing, if they're
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struggling, the amount of lightthat will expound out of their
work will change the world.
Because when we're creating andwe slip into that flow state,
that state of being where allperception of space and time
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dissipates and creatives willunderstand this, what I'm saying
, because I'm sure that they'veprobably experienced it at some
point in time you slip into astate where you're just fully in
creation and that, essentially,is tied just to source energy,
source energy of creation, tiedto the Creator Himself.
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So if it's understood, or canbe understood, that every time
you put a pencil to a paper, youstrike a string on a guitar,
hit a key on a piano, dab yourbrush into a color of paint,
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that in and of itself is aspiritual practice, because
you're making the world morebeautiful by what you are
creating.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I would like to add to the list.
Come up with a great idea,exactly, to add to the list.
Come up with a great idea.
Exactly, you know it, it, um,which that in of itself can also
make the world more beautiful,not necessarily visually, right,
right, but there's, there'snothing that's really exempt
from what you just said, correct?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
correct and and that, in and of itself, right there,
that key phrase and sentence waswhat allowed me the confidence,
without even knowing any of thetechnical aspects of it,
allowed me to just jump rightinto fashion when I quit college
(22:42):
because I couldn't afford tocontinue and I was failing every
other class except for my artclasses.
But I jumped right into fashionand started designing, only for
the and just for the simplefact that I knew I could draw
what I wanted to see as afinished product.
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And that's what I did.
I went out and I found aseamstress who I could work with
, who could look at my visualdrawings and then take those and
turn them into 3D product.
The other thing that she didfor me was she taught me how to
measure, how to takemeasurements on a human form and
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then translate those back intothe garment that I was designing
.
So I didn't need the school totell me that, I just had
somebody who was experienced andalready doing the work.
That allowed me to expandwithin that field.
And then I went on to do designwork for Bacardi International.
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I was designing promotionaloutfits for all of their events,
ended up being asked to designall of the promotional outfits
for the 2001 Kentucky Derby.
So that was that element thatcomes into play.
I was asked by Absolute Vodkato be a part of their Absolute
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Vodka Co-Cheer Fashion Shows asa local artist when they came to
Metro Detroit.
When they came to Metro Detroit, not knowing or having any
formal training in fashiondesign, that's what I was doing
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at that point in time.
And then fast forward to 2010,.
I dove headfirst into thejewelry industry, had no clue
about jewelry other than I knewI could draw it, about jewelry
other than I knew I could drawit.
And if I could draw it, I'vealready seen other stuff that's
on the market and it had tostart from a drawing and an idea
and a concept to get to thatpoint.
So if I can draw it in the wayI want to see it in 3D, then I
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can take that paper, that pieceof paper, I can go to a wax
carver, I can go to a CADdesigner or I can just go
straight to the manufacturingcompany and say, look, this is
my idea, this is where I'm goingto create.
And then they started workingwith me and helping me
understand.
Okay, this is the process ofhow we take this from your
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drawing to the finished product.
Now, again, it was a learningcurve and a lot of people that
go to school for jewelry designor go to gemology school to
understand stones and differentthings like that how they're cut
, clarity and value of thoseyeah, I jumped the line, so to
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speak.
But I don't look at it asjumping the line.
I just look at it asunderstanding myself and what I
knew and could comprehend andvisually create versus what I
wanted to try and learn.
That was going to take up abunch of time and take longer
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for me to get to where I wantedto be.
So one of the key elements ofthat was having to learn.
Everything is measured inmillimeters in the jewelry
industry, so it's not thinkingof it as inches or centimeters
or anything.
It's all millimeters.
So I had to start translatingeverything that I was drawing
into millimeter perspectives andthen from that it just took off
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and I was able to develop myown designer line of jewelry
market that across the MidwestWithin the first year by 2011,
2012, first quarter, we were innine different stores throughout
the Midwest with the productand then from then on it was
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just a matter of consistentlycreating and putting stuff into
the marketplace.
And then you know, you fastforward up to 2019, the pandemic
starting to hit 2020 hits fullon and the market's going up on
the price of gold and silver,and it was.
I had to look at it verystrongly and be like this is not
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going to be sustainable overthe next couple of years.
So I went ahead and I justclosed that down Now.
That's not to say, at somecertain point in time, that I
can revive that and bring thatback into the storyline, maybe
what I'm doing with the artist,lifestyle coaching and have that
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as something that helpsindividuals individuals because
when I started getting towardsthe end of the trajectory of it
in terms of just a timeline, Iwas starting to look at it more
from a chemical point of view,which played into the
spirituality as well, my growthin the spiritual spirituality of
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my healing.
I started looking at metals asways of alchemically changing
the energy and the vibration ofthe piece so that it could
potentially be more amplifiedand beneficial to the person
that it was going to.
So if, at some point in time, Ican bring that back in and
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fully integrate that alchemicalexperience into those pieces and
share those in that way, whoknows what could happen.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I think it's interesting that you would term
it that way because, as I lookat the various transitions
you've made in your life, youhave gone through your own
personal alchemy.
Yes, you've transformed manytimes yes, absolutely, right,
(28:55):
absolutely yes, your ability topivot is impressive and
inspiring.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Thank you for that.
You said something that I wantto pull tease out a little bit
more.
You talked about the flow state, and I think most of us, as
creatives, are certainly awareof that language, that
terminology.
I know I am.
What is it that enables you?
(29:27):
What is it that you do?
Or space do you put yourself in?
That enables you to?
I mean, it would be an internaland an external thing to really
put yourself in that flowenergy.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Really put yourself in that flow energy.
So for me it may be a littlebit different, and I say that
just for the simple fact that Iwas given my gifts.
My ability to create was giftedbecause I started so early
drawing creating.
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I told a story the other day,related it to just Legos.
Whereas when I was young wedidn't have a whole lot of money
, so I didn't get fantasticChristmas presents every year, I
just got whatever my parentscould afford.
Fantastic Christmas presentsevery year, I just got whatever
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my parents could afford and Ihad a few Legos.
But I wasn't getting full onbox sets of what kids can get
today, but the little bit ofLegos that I got I would
continuously build something out, and then the next day I would
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go back to it and tear it allapart and then build something
else.
And so for me, that creativityis always there.
It never goes away.
I don't, I don't ever have totry and find it.
Um, to be inspired, I look at.
Look to other things to beinspired, I look at.
Look to other things to beinspired.
I look to music, I look tofashion.
Um, I look to?
(31:05):
Um museums.
I study other people's work,other people's arts.
I follow many music artists andcreatives um and social media,
so I'm always looking at whatthey're doing and usually that's
generating the ideas that cometo me, which you'd mentioned
earlier.
Just an idea, bringing that tothe world.
(31:27):
But when I'm creating and it'ssomething that I'm truly vibing
with, it's a concept that Ireally want to dive into.
A concept that I really want todive into and I start working
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with it, coming up with sketches, coming up with color to play
into it, or if I'm designing aproduct line or different things
like that.
For me, what happens is when Ifeel that energy of this is
really starting to click and I'menjoying it and I'm feeling
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into it energetically, becauseyou can create something and be
partly connected to it andpartly disconnected to it,
partly connected to it andpartly disconnected to it.
That disconnected component isyou thinking about every single
step that you're taking in thatcreative process.
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When you're in a flow state, orin that state of when you're
really tuning into the energy ofcreation, really tuning into
the energy of creation, the mindstarts to fade in terms of the
chatter that it's bringing up,saying you know, no, don't do it
that way, no, don't do it thisway.
No, it's not perfect enough yet.
(32:53):
You got to keep working on thatarea.
When you're in that flow state,you're starting allowing the
energy to keep moving, that flowstate, you're starting allowing
to the energy to keep moving,that gut noise dissipates and it
goes away and you slip intokind of a portal for lack of a
better word at this point.
You slip into this portal whereit's just you, the energy and
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the flow of creation, and thatis when you can expand.
That's when it starts to expand.
It grows into multiple ideasand multiple things.
Or, if you're staying in onesingular piece that you're
working on, that pieceultimately becomes something
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that you didn't even think itwas when you first started.
It becomes more than what youoriginally thought, what your
brain was telling you you wantedit to be.
It goes beyond that and becomessomething completely different,
which I believe those are thetypes of things that speak to
people the most.
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Those are the things that touchpeople's lives, touch people's
hearts, touch people's emotions.
Those are the true connections,and that, in and of itself,
starts to create a communitywithout being necessarily a
community, because whoever picksthat piece up or buys that
(34:26):
piece or is gifted that piece,the connection of line of energy
, is still coming from you andyou may not know who it's going
to, but that line of energy isstill intact.
And that played into a littlebit of what you spoke on earlier
, maddox of things beingconnected all around us.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
You know, what you're saying has certainly played out
in our experience.
We ever could have possiblyeven conceived, when we started,
just having little gatheringsat our house to create more
social life and to build ourcircle of friends.
(35:12):
We never that was all we weredoing.
We thought, and the universehad a different plan and a
different idea.
Okay, um, I think that whatyou're describing plays into all
kinds yes, definitely all kindsof creativity.
I know, for me, the ideas justflow so easily.
(35:38):
I don't ever have to.
There's just rarely, ever, ever, a block, yeah, and it's not.
But I think that oftentimesthat I'm not finishing my
sentences because I think fasterthan I can talk.
Sometimes I think the when weget tripped up oftentimes is we
(36:03):
try to force the idea.
We want this idea, right, wewant this idea.
You know, correct, I want anidea.
I'm sitting in front of thepaper and I want to write a
novel.
I want the idea for my novel,and I don't know that it really
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works that way.
You know, I always say you know, regardless of what you call it
, god doesn't always give uswhat we want.
Sometimes God gives us what weneed Exactly, and so I just get
in a quiet space.
Now does the creative stuff andall the ideas come through
(36:44):
anywhere?
Any place?
Yes, yes, anywhere.
But the places where they showup the most are during
meditation, when I'm walking outin nature, when I'm in the
shower.
But they come, you know, and itcan come from overhearing some
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conversation at the next tablein a restaurant.
I'll just hear something thatwill just I'll just go, oh my
God.
Don't even know what they weretalking about, but I just heard
just enough that it sparkedsomething, and something comes
through.
It could come from the words ona billboard going down the
freeway, or the words of a song.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
We're always surrounded by it.
It's just a matter of beingopen, and when you're in those
states where you're not soeasily, so readily distracted or
pushed to the next thing, thenyou are a little more receptive,
and so you can pick up on thosethings that may have been, and
(37:48):
so you can pick up on thosethings that may have been
stewing for a little bit.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah, absolutely, dwight.
That is the beauty of it, andif we're able to be able to get
that message to as manycreatives as possible, that just
be open.
Yeah, rather than trying tothink it out.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Don't.
Don't squeeze it down and thinkthat you've got to know what it
has to look like this.
Give me an idea, but it has tolook like this.
No, just give me the friggingidea.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
And it just comes through.
I get way more than I couldever act on Same.
I get insane ideas and they'reall written down somewhere or
recorded somewhere and sometimesI come back to them and they
start to work on them and takeaction on them.
I'm reading a book right nowand this will segue into
(38:47):
something we briefly spoke aboutbefore we hit the record button
.
I'm reading a book right nowwhere the author says, and I
really I was like, yes, I get itthat the ideas, that intuition
and the ideas is feminine energy, but the part of us that takes
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action on those ideas ismasculine energy, Right, Right.
And people have a tendency, hesays in the book, and I agree,
people have a tendency to wantto either pick one or the other.
It's an either.
Or I'm going to work infeminine energy, or I'm going to
work in masculine energy.
And and there's this whole, no,we don't want, you know, peanut
(39:29):
butter in our gel, in our, ourjelly, or peanut chocolate in
our peanut butter, whatever.
And you know, once again,there's where your creative
blocks come, your, your, thatthe energy and that intuition
and those ideas and all of thatdefinitely come through in
different forms.
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It's masculine or feminine.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
And you got to be open to both.
Exactly, exactly, and if youlook at it from that perspective
and, for those who are notunderstanding the spiritual
elements of what you just said,if you look at it from a
scientific standpoint, thefeminine is the part that holds
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the creation from its inception.
The feminine holds the inceptedconcept, the idea.
The child holds that for ninemonths, sometimes shorter,
(40:53):
sometimes longer, but thefeminine is what carries that
and allows that to grow withinand then eventually it comes out
right.
So the feminine for what?
What you're saying and where Ibelieve you're trying to get the
idea across, um about the, thetwo to hold the creation in
place and then, once it'smatured to a certain point, it's
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allowed to come out and then,from there on, it grows even
more.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
When.
That's when you know themasculine comes in, that's when
dad gets involved.
I mean, dad was involved backthere, certainly at some point,
of course.
But just the family unit itselfis very symbolic of the
creative process, whether it'screating a baby or creating
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anything.
Whether it's creating a baby orcreating anything, that that
play of mom and dad, feminine,masculine.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Never thought of it like that.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Never thought of it like that, but all of a sudden
I'm like connecting the dots andgoing oh wow, it's all around
us if we just open our eyes.
Yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
And go ahead, dwight, go ahead.
I think it's funny how we canget so caught up on how we label
things and, yes, when we, whenwe, when we call it feminine and
masculine, and it's easy torelate to because they're
opposites, but it also brings upa whole host of different
baggage that comes along with it.
(42:22):
I I've seen a differentapproach, pointing to science,
where, if you were to just shiftthe labels just a little bit
and look at different attributes, I love the work of Vanessa Van
Edwards where, instead ofmasculine, she's focused on
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elements of competence versuselements of warmth.
Yeah, and to be, to beeffective, you have to master
both and know how to dial themup and down and know how to be
receptive to them when youencounter them.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, that's.
That's beautiful, it's reallybeautiful, because that is very
much true.
One of the other things that Ilook at as well is within
society.
The familial structure hasdeteriorated to an extent and I
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feel at this time community ismore important, as ever was
because of the familialcomponent that may not really
ever met fully.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
I just got this intuitive hit that in current
society I won't speak to pastSure Community has the power to
be more valuable than family.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Absolutely, absolutely.
I'll give you anothercorrelation to that is always
about taking care of one another, taking care of those that are
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in need, taking care of thewhole structure and at any point
in time, if there's a loss, ifthere's a loss of a warrior, if
there's a loss of a mother, ifthere's a loss of a sister, a
loss of a brother, the tribalcommunity steps in to help fill
that gap.
So it's continuing to pull andsurround and provide source and
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protection and nourishment, allof those types of things.
So when something slips out ofthat community, the community
becomes stronger and amplifiesto be able to take care of what
was just lost.
And I think that in today'ssociety, if we can get to that
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and get back to that type of athought process about community
and being strong together ascommunity, then that in and of
itself can help build somethingeven more beautiful today.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Yes, yes, I'm thinking about my own situation.
I love my family, but they'rescattered all over the country,
yeah, and I don't see them often, right, and they don't really
know me and I don't really knowthem.
I love them, but my communityknows me way better than my
(46:24):
family Right me way better thanmy family Right, and, honestly,
I feel like I can't speakfactually.
I feel like my communitybelieves in me on a greater
level than my family does Not myfamily at all.
They're lovely people, but Irarely see or speak to them and
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they don't know me.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Right and that is true and I can relate to that in
a sense because, like Imentioned, my family's all in
East Tennessee.
The only two people here inMichigan are myself.
The only two people here inMichigan are myself and my
mother.
At this point my dad has passedbut I grew up kind of being
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separated from the familybecause we were all here in
Michigan and my dad brought mymom up here in the 60s just for
the simple fact that work wasmore readily available here.
He was a mechanic for most of mylifetime so he came up here to
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work on cars and they were inabundance so he was able to work
and make money to provide.
He didn't make a whole lot buthe made enough for us to be able
to be sustained.
But I didn't get to grow upwith my cousins.
I didn't get to grow up beingaround my aunts and uncles and
my grandparents and all thatkind of stuff on a regular basis
(48:02):
.
So I absolutely understand thatthey don't know who you are,
because mine don't fully knowwho I am as well.
They don't even know.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
They know who they think I am.
I mean, they think they knowwho I am, correct.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Correct, and they don't even know what my healing
journey has been about at all.
So even that element, theydon't fully know what's going on
or know what's happening orknow who I am today.
They remember what I was when Iwas 10, right and running
around in the yard.
They remember that.
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They know what that was, who Iwas then.
They don't know who I am now,though.
They have a conceptual ideabecause of social media and
different things like that.
They have a conceptual ideabecause they can go to a website
and see different things, butwe're not in constant contact.
We don't have communication ison daily basis or any of that
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type of stuff.
It's even at this point.
It's even farther and farbetween that.
I have that connection andcommunication just because of
life circumstances.
So, you know, the communitything becomes important for
people from that element andthat side and that aspect,
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because a lot of times thecommunity gets to know you more
and who you are within thepresent tense, the present
moment.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
I think the concept of community is very
misunderstood and we actuallyare going to do an episode on
that.
Dwight and I are just going toriff on what community is and
what community isn't.
Now, you know, is ourdefinition of that the gospel?
No, probably not.
You know, it's our definition,the way we want to operate, but
(49:59):
the concept of community, Iwould say there's a lot of
people that really don't reallyknow what community is.
A lot of things that we referto as community are not
community.
It.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
they're groups, right right, yeah, exactly two
different words two completelydifferent words and two
completely different energiesyeah, yeah, totally well um, we
are reaching a point where weneed to start to draw things to
a close.
Um, I'd like to uh, pose to yousome rapid fire questions.
(50:37):
If you're willing to give somerapid fire answers, absolutely,
I'll do my best, okay?
Um, okay, you've mentioned thatyou've done such a variety of
things.
You've had to pivot so manytimes.
What's one creative pursuitthat you haven't taken on yet
(51:03):
that you'd like to try?
Speaker 1 (51:09):
yet that you'd like to try.
That's a hard one.
I don't know if I'm going toget rapid on that.
I think what I'm stepping intobeing an artist, lifestyle coach
, I think that's.
I haven't tried that, I haven'tdone that.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
Now in a sense Good answer.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yeah, in a sense I've .
I've done that a little bitwith clients over the years, but
I haven't really stepped intothat and embody that.
So I think that's that's thecreative that I want to step
into and do next.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
That's, that's sounds like the next alchemical change
.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
Yes, yes, you know Rich.
I just want to tell you, buddy,I believe in you.
Yeah, Thank you.
Same here.
I appreciate hearing you talkand all your experiences and the
way you've navigated all that.
If I were experiencing somemental health issues, I would
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have no problem reaching out andsaying, hey, you're the man.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
And please do.
If you ever are in that state,please do.
I'm fully open to that, fullyfully.
I believe I have to becompletely open and honest about
my experiences in order for itto help somebody else, so I'm
(52:38):
willing to step into that fullon Well, and you have an energy.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
I can feel the warmth , I can feel the compassion're.
You're bringing all theingredients to what you're doing
and just I just want toacknowledge that.
Thank you, yeah same.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Um.
Next rapid fire question.
Uh, you, you have taken yourown path and trying to navigate
life and not necessarilyfollowed what's safe or what's
prescribed.
What advice would you give tosome young creative that's
(53:20):
struggling?
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Number one you're not alone in your struggle.
I've experienced it over andover and over.
I would advise them topotentially listen to their
heart, listen to their gut,maybe consider what they're
(53:44):
being told, but don't take it onfully.
Allow yourself to beexperimental, because in doing
so, you might find the thingthat completely switches your
trajectory.
Be open, be curious and don'tbe afraid to fail.
(54:05):
I've failed many, many timesBankruptcies, businesses, all of
it.
At this point, I don't give ashit.
I just start over, I'llreinvent.
I love it.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
Resilience yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Love it.
And final rapid fire questionwhat is the greatest gift that
you can look back on your lifeon and appreciate?
Speaker 1 (54:42):
I would say my grandfather coming through that
psychic medium giving me thatmessage from the other side.
Because literally that changedmy mindset, my experience of
what the world looked like atthat point in time.
(55:05):
I will tap in one more alongwith that as well.
Yeah, um, in 2016, I startedworking with an intuitive healer
.
Um, her name is marilyn edwards.
She's in saint augustine,florida.
I've worked with her longdistance, uh, the entire time
(55:25):
that we've known each other, andit's been eight years.
Now.
She is another person who'scompletely changed my trajectory
.
I've grown exponentially in myhealing journey over the eight
years of working with her.
Then I have 25 plus years ofpsychotherapy, cognitive therapy
(55:47):
, working in traditionalmedicine.
Those are the two things thatI'm absolutely grateful for.
Beyond words.
That has changed my life.
Speaker 3 (56:03):
Rich, please share that information with us so we
can put her in the show notes.
That's a beautiful resource andshe got plugged verbally, so
let's let's plug her with a linkso people can find her if
they're interested website,richwrightunlimited or the
(56:31):
artistrecoverycom.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
I have links from there as well, directly to her
and any other of the resourcesthat I have on that page Awesome
.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
Beautiful.
Is there anything else thatyou'd like to share with our
listeners that we covered inthis session?
Speaker 1 (56:52):
I would like to say that be kind to your mind.
That's one of my taglines thatI'm trying to integrate.
But be kind to your mindbecause the mind is set up to
(57:12):
protect you.
At particular points in timethroughout your life, you've
experienced something that hashurt your spirit, your soul, uh,
and created, uh, a crack in it,so to speak.
(57:34):
Um, it's not always the rightthing, but it's a mechanism that
is there for future protection,going forward, and the key to
being able to resolve that isshifting down into your heart
(57:55):
space.
If you can start listening toyour heart, then you can have
compassion for what your mindhas done.
So be kind to the mind andshift into your heart space,
because that's when you're gonnabe able to start healing and
you're gonna be able to the mindand shift into your heart space
, because that's when you'regoing to be able to start
healing and you're going to beable to let your mind know Thank
you for protecting me for up tothis point in my life, but I've
(58:17):
got it.
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
I love that too.
Wow, Rich, this has been anamazing conversation.
I feel like I know you.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
Same.
I appreciate you guys, Iappreciate you having me on, I
appreciate you being open tojust reaching out in the first
place.
And as I'm saying this, I'mloaded up with chills because I
know, I know that there's aconnection here that potentially
(58:54):
can blossom um.
Speaker 3 (58:55):
Yes, absolutely.
Yeah, I'm thinkingcollaboration in the future.
Yeah,
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