Is Bigfoot really a flesh-and-blood creature...or are we looking at something far stranger?
This week on Generation X Paranormal, Logan and Nicole sit down with filmmaker, researcher, and author Ronald C. Meyer to explore one of the most fascinating conversations we've ever had about Sasquatch.
Ron shares decades of paranormal experiences, including out-of-body experiences, non-dual consciousness, time slips, and the mysterious events surrounding Bradshaw Ranch. We also dive deep into his groundbreaking CE6 Protocol, a meditation and frequency-based experiment that has produced strange audio recordings, unexplained phenomena, and possible Bigfoot vocalizations.
We discuss:
• Is Bigfoot interdimensional?
• The connection between Bigfoot, UFOs, and consciousness
• Bradshaw Ranch and unexplained time slips
• The CE6 Protocol and why chanting may matter
• Sierra Sounds and Bigfoot vocalizations
• High Strangeness and the Control Hypothesis
• Frequencies, meditation, and paranormal research
• Ron's new book, The High Strangeness of Bigfoot
Whether you're a skeptic, believer, or simply fascinated by the unknown, this conversation challenges many of the traditional ideas surrounding Sasquatch.
Guest: Ronald C. Meyer
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A Note About Ron C. Meyer
Since the original release of this episode, Ron C. Meyer has sadly passed away.
Nicole and I were honored to have the opportunity to speak with Ron and spend some time getting to know him. Although our time with him was brief, we are incredibly grateful that we had the chance to have this conversation with him.
We are leaving this episode available as a way to remember Ron and share his story in his own words.
Our thoughts and prayers are with Ron's family, friends, and everyone who knew and loved him.
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Well, everybody, welcome back.
Hey.
I'm Logan.
And we're Generation X Paranormal.
Guys, we get to do something that we don't always get to do.
But whenever we do one of these shows, uh, we typically talk to somebody that's very, veryinteresting.
And we're talking about Bigfoot, Sasquatch, whichever, whichever way you want to narrowit.
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Right.
Yeah.
Um, but yeah, we've got we've got a very interesting guest and we have Ronald Meyer.
What can you tell us Ronald Meyer?
Ron is a seasoned paranormal experiencer with encounters ranging from out-of-bodyexperiences, encrypted sightings to non-dual awakenings.
He is the owner of Center Communications, a film production company, and has produced anddirected feature films in Hollywood.
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Ron also facilitates flow workshops and holds a fifth degree black belt in Aikido.
Recently, he produced Becoming Evil, the number one streaming documentary series on AmazonPrime about serial killers.
Additionally, he is a peer reviewed published scientist and
With contributions to the fields of behavioral, cybernetics, and paleontology.
He resides in Louisville, Colorado with his wife.
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In September of 2023, Center Communications premiered the feature film The Mysteries ofBradshaw Ranch, Aliens, Portals, and the Paranormal at a conference in Vernal, adjacent to
Skinwalker Ranch.
During the movie's production, the crew encountered intelligent alien entities and otherparanormal phenomena.
Yeah.
Yeah, and we we have the chan we had the chance to watch this.
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Yes.
Uh very interesting.
Uh some of the stuff they caught there is pretty
Yeah.
And Bradshaw Ranch is one of those places that's on the bucket.
list.
Yeah, for sure.
So hey, without further ado, let's talk her on.
Talk to Ron.
Well hey Ron, welcome to Generation X Paranormal.
To be here.
Yeah, absolutely.
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You know, you've got quite a an interesting background and you know, we were obviouslywe're familiar with work because we've talked a little bit before we started, but for some
of our audience who may be meeting you for the first time, how would you describe yourjourney into the paranormal?
Well there's there's two ways to look at it.
One, you know, my personal journey, and the other was my filmmaking journal.
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Which one would you like to start with?
Let's start with let's start with your personal.
So when I was twelve years old I had my first non dual experience, which is a situationwhere the self disappears and there's just a world.
The world is just there.
And I've had multiple ones since then.
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I've also had uh multiple out of body experiences of the kind where my awareness stepsoutside and I can see what I'm doing.
I once beat the crap out of somebody that way, the young person.
And uh I had another kind where I actually got out of my body.
D do you know where Gart Camp Crystal Mine is?
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Have you ever talked to anybody from there in Arkansas?
We we're not far from
Yeah, I've heard of it.
I've heard of it.
should you should go.
It's one of the most paranormal hot spots you'd ever want to go to.
Okay.
Well they put me up in a trailer and all of a sudden in the middle of the night I got upout of bed and things were askew in a way that was weird.
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And I kind of crawled over on the floor.
I could still feel the the kind of carpeting on the floor and I was charging my batteriesand something wasn't right.
And then I thought, ooh, and I wanna allo maybe I should get a flashlight, so I went overand my flashlight didn't work.
And then I remember I didn't lock the door, so I went and locked the door, went got andwent back to bed, and that was it.
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I've had a really profound time slip on my way the whole crew on their way to BradshawRanch.
I looked at pretty much every Eastern tradition, had multiple mystical experiencesthroughout my life.
All I was a llama in Tibet.
But
So that's kind of my personal journey.
My uh film journey into the paranormal occurred when I was hired by a company to produce aseries on on Bigfoot called Chasing Bigfoot, which was done very well.
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And I was captivated by the yeah, that people really didn't know what this this was.
People were having experiences.
I interviewed and of course they were I believe what they said, what they saw, you know.
They were in line.
Yet
what they reported was kind of weird.
And of course at that time this was, you know, pre COVID and everything.
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The pretty much if you ask people to raise their hand what they thought Bigfoot was, Iwould say ninety five percent would say was some kind of biological entity, either in the
ape vein or some kind of missing humanoid.
And now that's really turned around.
Mm-hmm.
And so I became fascinated with the idea to try and figure out
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the the nature of Bigfoot, 'cause it just seems mysterious.
There are all these things that are associated with it, footprints that go nowhere, peoplehave stuff thrown at them, hoots and howls.
By the way, we just recorded an amazing hoot over Memorial Day weekend.
And I'll probably talk about the protocol, the C E six protocol that we're working on andperforming.
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And uh so at at one point I was quite in t so
So one of the people I interviewed who has a Bigfoot Sasquatch output said, I think it'ssomething paraphysical or interdimensional.
And of course, interdimensional is kinda like a scientific word for magic.
You know, nobody knows what to really And I thought, Well, you know, when I was younger Iwas quite interested in UFOs and read a lot of science fiction for a w long time.
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And I thought, well
Maybe there's a connection between these two things, you know, 'cause they're they're bothsort of the same phenomena.
You can't quite put your finger on yet they show up, right?
Absolutely.
And so I did this this movie called The Bigfoot Alien Connection Reveal.
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And that was a hu amazingly, hugely successful movie that changed a lot of people's mind.
It was transformational for many people.
I don't know if you've ever seen it.
It's gotten like ten million views across multiple streaming platforms.
Made a lot of money to
More than likely we have.
We watch a lot of that stuff, so I'm sure we have.
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We we do so much research with it that I I guarantee you we've we've definitely watchedit.
So yeah, it did it did very well.
But I still didn't have the answer and so still what I'm doing, trying to figure out whatthe hell that thing is.
Yeah.
That's what we all do.
Yeah.
And and we've spoke to so many different researchers and experiencers that i everybodykinda still trying to get get their handle on w what's going on.
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Um, you know, even talking with r with Brett Eichenberger who did his series on it and andRon Moorhead, you know, kinda talking to him about the Sierra sounds, it was it it is such
an interesting it's so different than just your average like uh spirits or ghost or
Crypted.
Or cryptid.
You know, it it's just everybody's got an opinion and everybody ha is very passionateabout their opinion.
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So it's always it's always interesting to to talk to people and kind of get a differentfeel for what they what they believe.
Uh and it does.
You're right.
It kind of spans that that
But the shift the shift has really taken place now.
Like when Moneymaker decided that Bigfoot was something paranormal.
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I mean that was probably like the last straw.
Yeah,
If if you were to that five percent is turned into probably si sixty percent now thinkingit's something other than a biological creature.
And it's you know, growing that way constantly.
Agreed.
Yeah.
Yeah, we've definitely noticed that as well.
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But you know, when it comes to your experiences, you know, you've worn many differenthats.
You know, you've you've done filmmaker, you're an author, you're a researcher.
What what comes first to you?
What what is what is it that you sort of say this is this is it?
And then all these other things are are part of it, but just not the the main part.
So the the through line in my life is I want to know the truth.
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How is it how is it that I am?
I've been plagued by that question ever since.
And I, you know, went through many philosophy, you know, authors who I thought might havethe answer, you know, physics at the time for a while.
Thought there was the answer was there.
But none of really do.
I'm n I'm not satisfied yet.
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So it's and I'm now working with the hypotheses, but
Jacques Vallet that that's the whole point.
Living in the mystery is what we should be doing.
Not knowing is what we should be doing.
Absolutely.
You know, with the paranormal, I've often found that it's it's the quest.
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It's not the it's not the finding out.
Like if we all woke up in the morning tomorrow and we all knew exactly where Bigfoot camefrom or is, or even with with uh, you know, alien or or encounters of that sense, and then
of course goes, I feel like it would be a really bad day, not just because, you know, itit kind of expands a lot of people that aren't ready for it.
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But you kind of give up that that I I guess that that quest.
And I feel like that's part of that whole human experience.
Yeah, for example, um when we were going out to Bradshaw and we had this time slip.
You know what a time slip is?
Oh yeah.
Have you ever had one?
I have, yes.
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Not that I'm that I'm aware of.
I have not.
J just a quickly we were told by Tom Dongle, who's kind of the person that wrote the bookon Bradshaw in the nineties with with Linda.
Uhhuh.
And he said, Well, you should be there at at seven o'clock to set up your filming for thatevening.
And so we were in a big SUV and the crew we met our local guide.
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We got into the van and we started driving and it's a straight shot.
You if you don't turn left or right you're gonna get there.
where you have to turn left because that's where have to go down to the place.
And uh after a while we all like, What there shouldn't be any houses over there.
Everything was weird.
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It was kinda like when I had that that out of body experience, you know, when I wascrawling around.
Same sort of feeling.
Everybody was feeling it.
And uh we almost drove off a ledge and then all of sudden we were on the main road.
And we arrived at Bradshaw at seven o'clock and then we looked at our GPS on our the ourvehicle, it showed we were going like this for a half hour.
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Wow.
Snaking around.
And so one of the people, coup person who had that experience, that was life changing.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And and folks who've never been out.
Now we've we've been out in Sedona and and actually Nicole's been
I was right outside of Bradshaw Ranch.
I was there a few years ago and it was me and my cousin and we did one of those pink jeeptours and it was just the two of us and we just gotten started, got out there and the
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driver paused and she's like, Have you ever heard of Bradshaw Ranch?
And I was like, Yes.
She's like, It's right there and I th it was we were right on the outside of it.
And then she proceeded through the rest of the drive to tell us about all the weird stuffthat happens in the desert around there.
And I'm talking weird stuff.
People disappearing, people disappearing for days and then showing back up, major timeslips like that, things that they're seeing out in the desert.
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So everything you're saying makes complete sense.
And being out there, I mean, there is nothing out there.
Nothing.
Well, Bradshaw Ranch is cool and you saw the you saw the movie.
That's there's a lot of structure there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I always felt pretty good there, you know?
Yeah.
When we were rounding up a gang from the Sedona Ascension Conference, people were prettyscared to go out at night.
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You know, that was what Richard wanted to do, of course.
Right.
Right.
And so, you know, they did pr some people did preparations of cleansing themselves and anduh me and my crew, we just, you know, walked down to the gate.
Crawl underneath and we're in.
So it's it's it's an interesting place.
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I lost my training thought.
Were we what were we talking about?
I was gonna say something.
We were talking about Bradshaw Ranch and getting there and the time slips and we had kindastarted with that.
So anyhow it's these so can I tell you one more story for Sedona?
Do you know who uh Chris Bledsaw is?
Heard of him at least?
I've heard that name.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
You he puts his hand up like case and UAPs come down.
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
I know what you're talking about.
He was supposed to be the headliner for this conference of really rich white people.
oh A couple of the women said to Don't don't don't if you film, don't put me in the moviebecause my husband will get really pissed off and he sees me in this movie 'cause he
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doesn't know I'm here.
That's funny.
That's hilarious.
I think I think that may be one of my new taglines for conferences.
That's hilarious.
So so my publicist called up and said we do the C six protocol, which if you know anythingwhat's in the book, it's as I can tell you about it later.
And I had done it with, you know, maybe like fifteen, twenty people.
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So they said, Would you like to replace Blood Souls, the headliner on Saturday or Fridayevening, whatever it was, probably Friday and and you have to give a talk, which is fine.
We'll pay you money and all that shit.
And
And then as we pr progressed, I was looking at at the website and it turns out that it'smore than thirty five.
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They're looking at maybe a hundred and fifty people in a football stadium.
Yeah.
Well
Like wow, I don't know about this, but you know, we were there and then it turned out tobe over two hundred because once we gave our talk then everybody wanted to go.
People were having fits that they couldn't buy a ticket.
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So So the most interesting we recorded was on our thermal.
And when I said told everybody to look to the sky, immediately six, four fast movers likethe Tic Tacs on
Mm-hmm.
In sixteen seconds.
And they're exactly the same as the Tic Tacs.
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Yeah, tic tac.
On a thermo because those were all thermal recordings too.
Wow.
And then one other just to show you the other side of the the protocol is that I do thisNamaste practice to start out with and two people didn't know each other realized they
each was their soulmate and they went off and did whatever you do when you find yoursoulmate.
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Yeah, we're familiar.
There you go.
yes, we've been married for twelve well, going on twenty years now.
Yeah.
Just giving you a hard time.
I and you know what?
That's that's the best thing to do to us 'cause it it ki it makes us laugh.
But yeah.
You got pretty serious there for a moment.
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Actually what's funny is if if you knew us, we're probably the least serious people whenit comes to that kind of we we uh we do what we call church it up a little bit when we do
our our show so that you know it has some kind of flow to it so it's not just us crackingup because we've got a lot of outtakes.
But so Bradshaw Ranch, I I did have a question about that, especially as a filmmaker.
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And obviously you're a researcher as well, but you know, a lot of the times that and wefilm, so we we kind of have an idea when we go into something.
of an idea of what we want to see and how we want to film it and set up different things.
But I'm always interested when it comes to place like that.
I guess basically before filming, did you kind of have an expectation in your mind of whatwas going to happen?
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And then after film you realize that either A, it was nothing like that, or B, it kind ofit kind of really was sort of what you were expecting, or was it just a complete flat out
surprise?
Well at this point, you know, I knew stuff was gonna happen.
I you know, I was drawn to it to a amazing s collection of synchronicities that how weended I didn't know about it and after about two weeks I had already set up to go there
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and film.
So I know so I knew this was the thing to do.
'Cause I'm all I'm driven by synchronicities.
The first one was we were gonna do a f we're doing a follow up to the
The Bigfoot and then Connection Reveal.
And I needed an end piece which was just kind of an investigation.
We were gonna do it in Ohio.
But then the people said, No, we can't do that because it's hunting season, we'll probablyget shot.
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So it's like, God, what are we gonna do?
And the first thing in my that came up in my news feed that the next morning was a storyabout the vortexes at Sedona.
Thought that's where I gotta go.
I didn't know Bradshaw Ranch was was there at that time.
didn't know anything about it to tell you the truth.
But then through a couple of steps, I ran into somebody who had gone there, kinda knew usfrom because she was from Colorado but now living in Florida.
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And she said, Yeah, I went to this place, Bradshaw Ranch.
I suck in under the gate like other people's under the the fence and uh I got kindaspooked and I got out and I said, I think that's where we should go.
And so uh talked to Melinda Leslie, who's very
well known in the area with disclosure.
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And uh I called her up and she said, yeah, yeah, come on out.
You should go talk to Tom Dongo.
You know, he'll he'll tell you the story.
And so we plan to do that.
And then Tom said, There's this young guy I'm kind of mentoring.
And I called him up and I said, Do you want to be our guide for our filming expedition?
So it all just fell into place in a very short period time.
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So when I'm filming, if that was your question, is that
I th I think, you know, I've done so much documentary work and I know what you have to doto make a movie work.
Which is why most things look like crap, you know, 'cause they don't know that.
So it's I'm always thinking like how am I gonna make this flow as a movie?
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And I'm in that state pretty much so I'm not very much affected in the way other peopleare by the the phon phenomena going on.
Mm-hmm.
I mean the biggest miss was
And my son in law, my partner in this thing, saw a Bigfoot out of you saw the movie whereyou saw the Bigfoot out the window?
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Yep.
Yep.
That we filmed him instead of what he was looking at.
That's the biggest regret I have of the whole event there.
But everything else just intuitively fell into place and I know what I have to do in theshots, you know, like when we met Benjamin, you know, I knew we had to do a meet and
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greet, you know.
Yeah.
Well they had never he had never done before, yeah.
It's a setup sequence and uh I have to get establishing shots and and create a story.
And so I'm pretty absorbed in that and in some way I would say I'm not as sensitive in theway a lot of other people are.
Uh at least when I'm doing that sort of stuff.
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Although I did see Bigfoot once, in a way.
Yeah?
How how'd that happen?
There's this place in Bailey, Colorado, where there's a culturally modified couple treesthat the Ute Indians they were a t a a tribe that was operating at the same time as the
Comanche and Arapahoe and Cheyenne, but they never quite adopted being a horse culture,although they had horses and they hung out on the edge of the mountains.
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In fact they're the ones that are associated with Skinwalker Ranch.
But they're the ones here at Colorado too.
That that was just the way they operated.
They you know, they would kill Buffalo, but they would also go up into the mountains inthe summer and and hunt game up there, which you know, the
the the Cheyenne never did.
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They stayed on the plains.
And so there were these culturally modified trees by the tribe back back probably in theearly eighteen eighties, eighteen thirties, something like that.
And they've grown up they have a kind of twist to 'em.
And people w the natives would come and get little pieces of medicine out of it.
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It's a theory.
And so we we were there was a ru
group of people doing Bigfoot weekend.
I said, Well there's this I learned about this tree through another synchronization.
A woman said, let me show you this.
I said, Okay.
So I so I d I said to the group, 'cause I do a little meditation for I wish I had to goover to this tree and and um I've seen people, you know, put their hands on a tree and
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they get energy from the tree, you know, and it's pretty common practices amongst peoplewho are are kind of spiritual and they go to the woods, places like that.
And so everybody, to my surprise, people wanted to do it because these were people huntingflesh and blood things.
And most of them had some kind of experience from a simple ting tingling, you know, togetting flush to one one girl said, I traveled through this through space.
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And I said, That was really cool.
Would you like to do it again?
She said, I never want to do that again.
Probably ruin her for the rest of her life.
So anyhow, when we're all done, I said to Alan, we should go try this.
And so we put our hand on the tree and shut our eyes and I opened my eyes and looked overand there was a creature, kind of like a shadow creature, quite large, in the shape of a
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Bigfoot, standing behind Alan.
And uh he was kinda oscillating in and out like in Star Trek, you know, where they thatthey're in the transporter or something where you kinda pixelating in and out of existence
and and eventually my
My mind and brain figured out what was going on 'cause this was pretty weird.
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And I said to Alan, There's a creature behind it and he Yeah, I know, I felt it walk up, Iknow it's right there.
So that's my Bigfoot experience.
Yeah.
Wow.
That's really cool.
With the mystery alive, let me tell ya.
That's for sure.
Yeah, I don't think I've ever ran into that.
That's a that's something that of all the paranormal stuff that we've done, we've neverreally had an experience with that.
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And you know, maybe it just hasn't happened yet for us, but who knows?
Hopefully someday we can make that happen.
We live in a state that apparently has a lot of that activity.
So
The Ozarks.
Near the Ozarks and that's something that I'm sure at some point.
Yeah, we were at the conference in Eureka Springs.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
In April too.
I mean I did a lot of stuff in April.
And we did the protocol there.
It had some amazing results.
Yeah, Eureka Springs is one of those places that's just um it's very unique and
charged in i every way, shape, and form.
Absolutely.
Yeah, we've we've definitely enjoyed that in the Crescent Hotel there.
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So we've had some had some pretty good times out there.
Just kinda
And by then gotten this device that measures all these physical variables like magneticfluctuation and uh pressure, air pressure, essentially, you know, is is is things
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vibrating and um it's got a gyroscope.
And when I said to the group, now we're gonna ask the presence to communicate with us.
The gyroscope made a steady climb through the whole thing.
Basically we were torquing through space, which is what the tr which wa which was thetheory behind warp drive, and this blew everybody's mind who they had never seen that kind
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of result in the corresponding ones with the magnetic field jumping up and and uh and oneone was when we were done with the protocols went back to nothing.
Everything.
And so I asked
I think it was Gemini w one of the chat pods.
Say, What do you think of this?
And they described that this this is a way that people think Warp Drive will work, youknow, so that you can if you remember from Star Trek, you know, go from workplace
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instantaneously.
Then I said to you, Well, who should I let know about this?
Keep it said, Keep it secret for now.
Yeah.
That may be lucrative later.
Who knows?
So let's go ahead and talk about the protocol.
I know you've mentioned that quite a bit and I think I think it's probably a good place toput that in and and kinda so that way your audience kinda knows what what we're referring
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to.
Yeah.
so I've I've done these things called enlightenment intensive and I had an enlightenmentintensive teacher who was a pretty cool guy.
And he introduced me to this primitive chant, which is a chant of vowels that form thebasis of all natural languages.
And they're A E I O.
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And he said, you know, if you do that
Do it really loud and fast and you're doing something physical at the same time.
You can have another you can create a non dual experience where the self disappears.
So I did and it did.
And then I was exhausted, so I sat down on lay down on the couch, and then I could see myego or self get reconstructed, which was really cool.
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That was a long time ago.
Probably maybe like two thousand five, two thousand six.
And so like three years ago we were wrapping up a movie and we were in Oklahoma and wewere sitting around a a fireplace that uh well it was no fire was spring, so there's just
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a circle where the fire would be.
Yeah.
And for some reason, like this is a synchronicity, it said, You should do that chant witheverybody.
Where that came from, I don't know.
But I told about it and we did.
And the first night
We did it.
We got the typical kind of ghosty things going on.
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The the REM pod kinda went off and Alan interacted with a little bit and uh spirit boxthat said its name.
And uh what else?
I always forget what wha what what do you call these things when you record you don't hearwhat what occurred but you hear like E VPs, right?
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So when we got back and listened to it
There was a female voice as clear as they said, This is freaking me out.
And I j I gave it to a guy who was an expert in EVPs.
He said, This is one of the best ones you ever heard.
And so then the next night, do you mind me keep going?
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I thought, let's do it again and see what happened.
This time nothing happened.
No equipment, nothing.
And so as we're getting ready to leave to our different abodes, so the the pit was uh
Like this, and then you'd walk out.
There are big trees, deciduous trees, maybe two stories high or more.
All of a sudden as I was a liar 'cause I'm the old guy, you know, and something comescrashing through the treetops, horizontal to the ground, and keeps going and takes a turn.
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It's like, wow, that's weird.
Then the people that were walking towards the car picked up the phenomena and a thing
smashed to the ground, shaking the ground in front of them, like three feet in front.
And the the cameraman went in totally different direction.
Said, I felt the thump.
I thought Rob had fallen over or something.
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And uh the cameras weren't rolling.
Yeah.
And so it's like I had no explanation for that.
I mean, Alan and and uh Doctor Greer thought, well maybe it was a tall Bigfoot doing thator something.
But that didn't seem reasonable to me.
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No.
Interesting.
So I was kinda like like I'm going to uh give up the search to figure out the nature ofBigfoot.
That was way too much, you know, just too weird.
But then at a place in Colorado, my son in law, in fact, Richard Estep, wanted to go on aBigfoot search.
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I don't say hunt anymore.
Right.
They did at this place and he got to interact with a REM pod.
It's in the movie.
That blew his mind, you know.
Yeah.
He said, I'm gonna do
fifty heartbeats or some damn thing like that.
And then would you please step it to the r to the REM pod and we'll go off?
And it did, and that just blew his mind.
Wow.
Wow, that's cool.
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That's really cool actually.
I can see him do that, yeah.
You know, in his British way it's unlike um
He saw it's funny how animated he can get.
Yeah, and so um a couple of weeks later, um Alan and and this guy we called Bigfoot Kennyfrom Estes Park, you know, you know that I guess Alan told him about the experience and so
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he wanted to meet Alan and and Alan married my daughter and so they went to meet to meethim, Kenny that is, and uh when they did got together, they heard what sounded like
you know, Sierra Sounds and which was in was partially recorded 'cause the film he saidAnd then when when they got back to the car, uh Kenny and and Alan were saying, Well what
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did you hear?
We should talk about this a bit And Kenny said, I heard A E I O O and Alan was like, Oh myGod 'cause because he was there, you know, in Oklahoma two years ago and Kenny knew
nothing about what we had done there.
And then I was yeah, I think that's what I heard.
And so that energized me.
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Yeah, of course.
Absolutely.
And uh it sounds like this here sounds.
um You know, my chat my chatbot said that, you know, it's not human.
It's proto language.
And so that's when I designed what what we call the C E six protocol, which consists ofgetting people in some sort of meditation circle.
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I guess I like circles.
Well when we did it at Sedona, it was pitch black.
Towards the end of it the group said, Can we do this ourselves?
It will make a giant circle and hold hands and they did.
Imagine like two hundred twenty people spontaneously doing the chant and holding hands.
It was like amazing.
Yeah.
Any anyhow, so the protocol was I would do meditation, a little mindfulness meditation,which is you become aware of some aspect of a that you can isolate like a a body
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sensation, an itch, you know, or a pain.
You can do that.
Most people do breath 'cause that's easy.
These other things are going on and then the Vipassana aspect is that you notice they comeout of nowhere and go nowhere, you don't control Right.
So I combine those and then we do the chant about five or six times.
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And people in the circle had all these sensations of body and everything.
And there were a lot of uh wood knots that we recorded.
And the other thing that happened was as clear as day, it was a musical beat like bump upa bump we recorded.
Because the idea is that before language, music established the auto regress music isautoregressive.
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Right.
There's the L L LM so they're totally autoregressive.
They're just predicting the relationship between words and which one should follow thenext ones I say.
As if all of a sudden I started talking about blue sky and pink clouds, right now you'dthink I was crazy, right?
Just ramble that way.
We are
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Point, not a line scares it, yeah.
So so it was he was not only saying whatever it is that's producing this, it's saying,look at look at how language started with music, probably beating the drum and getting
people together and telling stories around it before they could talk.
Then proto language.
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And uh and that's pointing to, you know, the L L Ms 'cause that's what they are.
And and then and then I said, Well now pay attention to sounds and then we picked up andrecorded Bigfoot Chatter and sounds like the Sierra Sounds that Braun Moore had.
Yeah.
And in one of in one thing between the second to last and the last one it said AIOU werecorded.
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And so we got m huge number of random subsonic pulses in the same event, and then we tookthe event to Mount Shasta.
Nun Sedona and Eureka Springs.
And then we did a repeat this this Memorial Day at Church Creek just to see with the newequipment to see what would happen.
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And we're just analysing that now.
Mm.
Have you ever
That happened was a large bigfoot hoot hoot.
Sing like, Hi, we're still I'm still here.
Yeah.
Have you ever set like something in the middle of of the group when you're doing thisprotocol to test the frequency that's that's coming out when you guys are chanting and
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saying saying these letters?
You ever done that?
You mean like some sort of w analyze this some way form?
Analyze analyzes the frequ what is it?
I don't know the exact equipment, but there's something that will
So so we have this thing frequency waves.
We used that Eureka Springs that measures almost all these variables.
Mm-hmm.
They were all going crazy and nobody had ever seen that before.
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Including, you know, the spiral up the gyroscope.
Right.
I'd be curious to know what the frequency is on that.
Yeah.
Well, you know you know the magnetic fluctuation is its own thing.
You know, the radio frequencies, microwaves, you know, layer frequencies.
These things are all presented in waveform forms, you know, in in certain small measures,you know.
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Mm mm.
Except the subsonic pulses which are just like boom.
And they're they're an audio frequency below what we can normally hear.
Mm-hmm.
But you know, the g the gear can process it and play it back so we can actually hear whereit's occurring and in the time frame.
But people didn't hear it at all, you know, alive because we don't have the ears to hear.
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Yeah, that's always interesting to me because I part of my other life, I'm a I'm a networkengineer by trade.
So one of the things I used to do was voice.
So a lot of IP telephony and stuff like that.
So I'm I'm pretty well versed in analog versus digital as far as how sound works.
and a lot of people don't realize that I mean, just this conversation we're having rightnow, it's not an actual you're not really hearing my voice.
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What you're hearing is a digital reproduction of what my voice sounds like.
Whereas analog, you're actually getting the full, you know, tone and the and the feel ofit with that exact wave.
So
I always knew you were a robot just by the way you got the New York Yankee hat on.
Hey Mel.
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You're missing that game right now.
I know.
Well you know what's been a rough year though now with Judge out.
gosh.
It's he's out
Yeah, yeah, they are.
Yeah.
But uh and I they'll probably end up winning it too.
But no, what is what's interesting is a lot of people don't realize that, you know, whenyou're doing something like what you're talking about with the protocol, when you're
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experiencing those waves, it's a it's a very different feeling than what you would get.
Even like if you're listening to vinyl versus like a digital music, you know, you start tofeel that a little bit differently.
So
you know, measuring that and and seeing something like that, I think does have a reallybig profound difference between, you know, if you were just to hear it on your your iPhone
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or something like that, you know, being present to hear that chanting and being, you know,some two hundred people in a circle.
Comparing how many people compared to the experiences to comparing to where you are.
Yeah.
Like if you're in the
interesting.
It's creating one coherent mind.
Absolutely.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And it's a forest multiplier because it's a lot of different people doing the same thing.
(37:28):
So do you know what the chakras are or ever hear of So if you want to try this now, havesome fun.
Because the these vowels follow the chakras from down below to up top.
So if you start here, come with me.
Touch your touch your a oh So you guys do it together now.
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Eh?
Yeah.
You should do it with your ears plugged.
At least one of you.
Because you'll hear feel the vibration.
You like vibrations, you'll feel the vibration change as you move up.
If Bigfoot comes crashing through the window right now.
All right.
uh I boo.
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I almost focused.
uh
That's interesting though.
That's no accident that it follows that pattern, I believe.
Because the vibration resembles, you know, basis of Chinese medicine and all that crap,you know.
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
Well and and for those of uh of you listening they probably think we're a little bitcrazy, which we are, but sh and if you're curious we'll we'll watch the video.
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But it what we're feeling is a sensation each time we're touching and it's it'sinteresting 'cause it resonates differently as it goes up.
And if you can plug your ears and do it, you can actually feel the how the vibrationchanges.
I'll have to see if I can get you take off your headsets.
Well, I do it in yoga.
Like there's meditation in yoga where you do the humming too.
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So I know I know exactly what you're talking about and you can feel it through your wholebody.
Well, and I've done it with like different types of EMDR therapy or different things likethat.
The tapping, you know, I know it's a lot of it has to do with that those same spots that,you know I mean they do they do do something for you.
I would be interested to take part in something like that with a lot of people.
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Yeah, I mean we'll do it.
Next time you're out there.
I'm doing a retreat this fall based on a I also do flow practice.
Are you familiar with flow?
Yes.
It's it's a way of letting go of the ego or self and you're just doing the activity.
It's bas you know, it's based on kind of martial play, you know, that I derive from mymartial arts activities over the years.
(39:57):
Mm-hmm.
It's transformational for in an amazing way.
But it's better than sitting on the couch because you're moving around and you know,instead of years and in ten minutes.
Yeah.
I mean I I'm happy to not sit on the couch for that long anymore.
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You find somebody would enjoy sitting on the couch.
Well, most of the time when I sit on the couch it ends up I end up falling asleep anymoreanyway, but uh so question for you, and it sounds like I may know the answer to this, or
at least I I can somewhat ascertain what your your response is gonna be.
So when it comes to Bigfoot spirits, anomalies, UFOs, and and we know our our personalbelief, but do you believe that there's a connection with all those different types of
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paranormal activity?
So that's the Jacques Fellet control hypothesis.
And his idea is that there's some presence, that's the foot as far as he'll go.
Others will go further, I can tell you where they go if you want.
Is that this presence can masquerade as pretty much anything it wants to keep the mysterygoing.
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So at our first place at Church Creek, it largely manifested as aspects of Bigfoot, fromsmells.
The sounds, subsonic pulses, chatter like Ron Moore has chattered, all these things areassociated with Bigfoot at one time or another.
You know, the brakes, the beating of the the the beat and everything, it's masquerading asthose.
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And if it masquerades as the UAPs, which defy normal our normal physics structure, right?
With it moves so fast and so on.
Should be impossible.
If that if that's the same presence that's doing that, then it can do anything physic withthe physical world.
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And it does it to keep the mystery alive so that we end up talking to each other on thesethese devices like this that we built.
And the L L Ms, which is another form of of of language, which it all kind of goes back tobecause before language our ancestors were just a bunch of monkeys throwing shit at each
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other.
And if you were raised around my household, that's not necessarily always wasn't inpractice either.
So
You got some kids, or is that between the two of you?
No, I'm talking about my between us.
No, not between us.
I'm talking about my actual growing up when I was yeah.
Like he was saying you guys in your house and do that with each other.
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Well, we we did just touch ourselves and do A E I O U, so I mean that was we got to dothat.
No.
Isn't it amazing here I'm f this far away and there's all this weird shit that's going on,you know, with these conversions to different frequencies and different mediums.
And you do weird things 'cause I say some words.
Yep.
True.
That's yeah.
uh
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Absolutely.
Mm-hmm.
I mean it's like I'm a magician, I make you do anything I want.
I mean, you got me to do that.
That that was cool.
I mean, it was interesting.
Yeah.
So when it comes to I I guess when it comes to Bigfoot or Sasquatch or however you want tocall that, what do you think skeptics get right?
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I know a lot of people say, what do skeptics get wrong?
We could probably talk on hours for that, but what do you think they actually get right?
Well they get there's no real hard physical evidence.
Yes.
That's what you hear.
Where is it?
Where are the bones?
Mhm.
Time.
Where where you know what are the footprints uh are there just five of them?
Yeah.
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Right.
So I think they get that right, that it's that it's there's some if if it's real in someways it's playing with us.
It is not fully revealing itself 'cause that's how it keeps the mystery alive.
Agreed.
Yeah.
Yeah, and I guess in in contrast to that, what do you believe believers sometimes getwrong?
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It's interesting because there's a lot of people who feel that they feel the energy ofBigfoot in a way and that this is telling them in some way that's unique to their
sensitivities, that there are groups of over to the left, over to the right.
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They're not getting visuals of it, but they're getting a feeling sense of the presence.
I th I think that's probably the strangest thing, but
The group we just did, you know, of twenty people at Church Creek were all felt out.
They feel the energies.
And they often relate it to kinda like, you know, young there's young children.
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It's it's very much the model of, you know, like gorillas in the in the forest or baboonsor whatever, you know, primate apes of various sorts or monkeys of various sorts.
Inflam family groups and so on.
And and you probably know that the major T V series, you know, Finding Bigfoot.
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We've Yeah, they that's all made up crap.
And if you actually talk to the people like Roddy LeBlanc and they'll they'll say therewas a lot of strange stuff we filmed but we don't we couldn't put it in the show 'cause it
doesn't allow for
Yeah, we talked to Russell at Court a bit.
So yeah.
We uh we're kinda
No.
The last long I saw him he gave me a big hug, so he's coming.
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uh
That's good.
I gonna say that's that's a rather large man.
I I don't know.
Yeah, he prides himself on that look.
But yeah, he's he he's a cool guy and uh you know that we have this little tiff going iskind of fun for people.
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Course.
Yeah, absolutely.
That you know, you gotta that's the thing a lot of people don't realize when it comes towhat we do and and and the different places that we go.
If we took everything so serious all the time, I think most of us would probably havewalked off a ledge a long time ago.
So, you know, having a little bit of fun is is I think that's the most important thing toremember is that you just gotta be able to enjoy part of life too.
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So yeah.
I think Russell enjoys life from what I can see.
I I think he enjoys life just fine.
So let's talk a little bit 'cause I know we're kinda getting closer to the end, but I knowyou have a book that came out this this year that you also did with with Mr.
Reader.
What's first
Mark Reeder.
Yeah.
Yeah, sorry.
Does that for a month every year?
uh
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That's probably smart.
Get a chance to break away for a little while.
But so what can you tell us a little bit about the book?
Well the book basically chronicles what I told the story I kinda told you.
How we how how the C C six protocol came into existence in more detail of what we uhrecorded and organized in a way that's presentable, I hope.
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And that's the kind of the whole point of it.
Yeah.
I think that
You can see the movie too, you know, on YouTube if you Google it.
Okay.
Name high screen just a bigfoot, how original, huh?
Well, I mean it tells exactly what I mean it's high strangers and it's Bigfoot.
I mean what else do you want?
I mean, you know I'll tell you what, Chat GPT didn't come up with that that title.
(47:34):
They would have had like you know, they'd have given you a title about eight pages long.
So I think it I think it does exactly what you need to do.
Yeah, you know, you gotta get better at prompting the chat G B T.
Shut up and just give me two sentences.
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
Stop being so verbose.
When it comes to writing though, what what do you think it does?
And I and I'm fairly confident I know the answer is too.
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When when you're writing versus filmmaking, what do you think writing allows you to dothat that maybe filmmaking doesn't?
Well, if you compare the book to the movie, there's at least in terms of pages, at leasttwo thirds more background.
I mean, that's a big deal.
Well, you know, if you just look at the origin of language and uh the idea that languageis auto regressive and that music is too, and you can track track all that changed, you
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know, throughout history 'cause there's a lot of people who've done research.
Well, you couldn't do that in the movie.
You could do it in a long series, but you know, that would take if it's you're doing aninety minute movie that that'd take up like twenty minutes of the movie.
Yeah, the exposition would be incredibly long.
You'd have a really hard time trying to do that.
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So so that's you know, that's really important in terms of uh writing.
Yeah, that's the big difference, is that you can create a much better context and so on,which is why people still write as opposed to just videos.
Yeah.
Yeah, that that's that's absolutely true.
And uh Right, even when it comes down to gosh, even movies and stuff that we watch thatare, you know, big Hollywood productions.
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Based right, the book is usually much better and sometimes v vastly different, but yeah.
Well Yeah.
But for sure.
So kind of in in closing, there's a couple of questions I have that are probably on themore fun side.
What when you're filming
We know there's a lot of long hours.
What do you prefer?
Are you a coffee drinker or are you are you doing the energy drinks?
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What are you doing?
What part of my life are you talking about?
That's true.
That's vastly
a good point, yeah.
Yeah, that's a good point.
Same here.
So you when you know, when I'm doing a a motion picture back in the the nineties, withmillions of dollars at stake, it's a different kind of question than what I'm filming at
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Bradshaw Ranch.
That where you know a little shot of this will do.
So back then, you know, I can't even remember when the heck I did.
Long hours.
It's just it's just so different and uh there are all these people that are you know,doing stuff.
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And they all cost money, you know.
I remember thinking, Can I spend a hundred thousand hundred thousand dollars in in a day?
yeah, that's easy.
I could
imagine, you know, just knowing how liquidy yeah some of these people are, or they thinkthey're liquid and then they're just horribly in debt.
So
And then, you know, like when I do did educational stuff and I gotta interview aprofessor, the big thing is can I find parking somewhere on a campus?
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Well it varies a lot in terms of the scale and the money involved and you know finding theparking, that kind of stuff is pretty easy, you know, it's it's fun.
I don't remember when the heck I did when I and you know, when you're doing films you
You s you have a day off Sunday and Monday you start in the day and then on Saturdayyou're doing night stuff because there's so many factors you have to jumble.
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You know, the most expensive item is your talent sometimes.
Yes.
And you wanna minimize the time you have to pay them and you know locations, should weshoot everything there?
You have a set that's you know, s ready to go in case it storms, you can go inside andfilm something.
It's very complicated.
sure.
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It's hell.
I I can only imagine.
Yeah.
So we're on kind of getting towards the end here.
Where can our audience find you or where how can they get involved in kind of what you gotgoing on and and pick up your book?
Well, you can get the book on Amazon or Barnes and Noble.
Just Google the title, it'll come up.
And go to YouTube with the same title and you can find it.
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Should be pretty easy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean I mean that's about as let the search engine work for you.
So Ron, after all these years of studying mysteries, and and I know you've done quite abit, what is the one mystery or the one thing that still kind of keeps you awake at night
that you just can't put your finger on?
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Goes back to what I said earlier.
How is it that I am this one?
Because there was a time when I wasn't, you know.
Nineteen twenty I wasn't.
And now I am.
How d how did that happen?
What?
I mean, I know that I started out as a little egg and all that supposed to be.
Sure, sure, sure.
But you know, it still befuddles me.
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It's a deep mystery for me.
Kind of the origin of consciousness and where where it all came from.
Yeah.
That's
Which is this is another thing, you know, that's different.
Right.
At least in terms of the way I look at it, consciousness is is experience.
So right now you can become aware, both of you can become aware that you're listening tome.
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Can you do that?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
So humans are the only ones that can do that.
So that's fascinating.
I mean, that's really profound that you can actually become aware that you're aware andwhat you're aware of.
At the same time you're aware of it.
And so there's this space of which everything appears.
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We talked about the meditation of the sound, hearing the sounds and you know, bodyfeelings.
The thing that most people get hung up on is that your thoughts and feelings are nodifferent.
in essence in the sound or the pain.
And if you become aware of a thought, sometime when you have one, you'll see it'll justkind of evaporate.
(53:48):
And if you eventually kind of become more aware of it, you notice that you didn't do that.
You do you all have self talk?
Yeah.
So that's uh that's not you.
No thought is you.
So you when you have a pain, you don't say, I am my knee pain, right?
Right.
But when you have the thought, that's you, you think.
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And that's you know, that's how suffering consists in.
Preferences.
Don't want this, want that.
And if you notice that these these thoughts that come at the same space as the sound orthe body feeling are of the same nature, they come and go.
You can cure yourself up quite a bit.
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Pretty profound.
Okay.
Talk about a mic drop at the very end.
Jeez, that's fantastic.
And that very well put, Ron.
I appreciate that.
That's that was great.
But well listen, you know, we're we're right at about the the hour mark and we wanted tomake sure that we got all that out for you.
And gosh, what a great, what a great time to sit down and talk.
So thank you for for spending that time with us.
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Yeah, and if you feel g like it and we could get together in Alton, Illinois, you couldcome to our event and you'll get a little taste of what we do.
Yep.
That'd be really
Yeah, we'll definitely look that up.
I know we'll we will be traveling the week prior, so there Yeah, if we can make it back upthere, we definitely will.
just for that very reason.
Mm-hmm.
So
and sp the venue is pretty nice.
It's at a like a county college or something like that.
(55:17):
It's got a nice auditorium and pretty good space for venue.
People are selling merch and it's usually a pretty good and creepy crowd, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah, no kidding.
our folks.
Well, Ron, thank you so much for for hanging out with us and hope maybe we'll reach inreach out to you and see you in Alton.
So we'll look forward to it.
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It's been a pleasure, it's been fun.
You guys you guys are a hoot.
Stay happy.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
You as well.
Well, we had fun.
Hey, thanks, Ron.
He's a lot of fun.
Interesting.
So interesting about the vowels.
Yeah.
I also like picked up when he was talking about, let's stand in a circle.
Let's do because all tribal nations stood in a circle.
(56:02):
If you even go back to like the stone circles circle, right?
Yeah.
There's something about the chanting.
All tribal nation nations, and he was talking about the drumming as well.
Basically the voices are using as that's why I was like
I wonder what the frequency is.
Because do you remember on Skinwalker Ranch when they had the natives come out on the mesaand get in a circle and they did the drumming and they were testing the frequency?
(56:28):
I can't remember what the frequency was.
I'm sure we can look it up, but yeah.
I would be so interested to know what it is.
I don't know what it is you use to measure that.
What?
Yeah, I mean there's I can't even think of the name, but yes, there is ways to to
Well I know there is, I don't know what equipment is used, but
And I've completely lost it, so anybody who knows it, feel free to tell me.
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I
I have a feeling it's gonna be the same frequency.
I think it'll be awfully close for sure.
I mean listen guys, there's a reason why these frequencies are out there, you know.
it seems like stuff happens when they use it.
Yeah.
I mean just look at that, was it the six point something that they were having onSkinwalker all the time when a lot of this real wild stuff would happen?
(57:12):
Yeah.
Um, I mean there's there's a lot of technology behind it and there's a lot of researchbehind it that yeah, this isn't just some freak you know, from some weird freaked out
thing.
This is this is very well known.
In fact, do you know that they use frequencies to break up kidney stones?
Yeah.
So I mean it this isn't a way out there thought pattern.
(57:33):
So
I mean, they use frequencies for everything really.
It's just nobody talks about it.
Right.
And I think our ancestors knew how to connect to whether it's another dimension.
They were able to call the beings to them, I think.
If you think even think about the petroglyphs and stuff, and I know that's mentioned inthe Brad Shaw Ranch film that he did, the petroglyphs is showing showing them like in a
(57:59):
circle and like the spiral and then like
what they seem to be like alien, you know, entities coming down, it's like Yeah.
Maybe they knew how to contact them.
Like maybe we as humans have the ability to do so.
I think if we know how to do it and use the right frequency.
Absolutely.
But we're not meant to know that anymore.
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I'm going to find out.
I am going to find out.
Cause I I there's something there because it it spans across every single nation.
It does.
Every s single continent.
I mean they find it
in all locations that they and I mean Egypt.
I mean look there.
Yeah.
You talk to Mike Ricksecker and he I mean he believes it.
Absolutely.
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Stargates and stuff.
I just I feel like there there's untapped resources there and p we're all starting to justkind of understand just a little bit more piece by piece.
We are.
And if you're listening to this frequency, we are very glad you joined us today.
It won't bring you anything.
Uh but thank you so much.
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For sure.
Hope it'll bring you knowledge.
That's right.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's our that's our motto.
Knowledge and laughter.
But guys, until next time, we're happy to have you here and we'll see you again.
Yeah, and please go check out Ron's book, The High Strangeness of Bigfoot.
Um it it's on Amazon.
I know you can get it on Kindle or Paperback.
and then the YouTube video, which we will go watch too.
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I didn't know it was on YouTube, so right now, after more work.
from over.
I guess we'll see you later.
Bye.
Well, everybody, welcome back.
Hey.
I'm Logan.
And we're Generation X Paranormal.
Guys, we get to do something that we don't always get to do.
But whenever we do one of these shows, uh, we typically talk to somebody that's very, veryinteresting.
And we're talking about Bigfoot, Sasquatch, whichever, whichever way you want to narrowit.
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Right.
Yeah.
Um, but yeah, we've got we've got a very interesting guest and we have Ronald Meyer.
What can you tell us Ronald Meyer?
Ron is a seasoned paranormal experiencer with encounters ranging from out-of-bodyexperiences, encrypted sightings to non-dual awakenings.
He is the owner of Center Communications, a film production company, and has produced anddirected feature films in Hollywood.
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Ron also facilitates flow workshops and holds a fifth degree black belt in Aikido.
Recently, he produced Becoming Evil, the number one streaming documentary series on AmazonPrime about serial killers.
Additionally, he is a peer reviewed published scientist and
With contributions to the fields of behavioral, cybernetics, and paleontology.
He resides in Louisville, Colorado with his wife.
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In September of 2023, Center Communications premiered the feature film The Mysteries ofBradshaw Ranch, Aliens, Portals, and the Paranormal at a conference in Vernal, adjacent to
Skinwalker Ranch.
During the movie's production, the crew encountered intelligent alien entities and otherparanormal phenomena.
Yeah.
Yeah, and we we have the chan we had the chance to watch this.
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Yes.
Uh very interesting.
Uh some of the stuff they caught there is pretty
Yeah.
And Bradshaw Ranch is one of those places that's on the bucket.
list.
Yeah, for sure.
So hey, without further ado, let's talk her on.
Talk to Ron.
Well hey Ron, welcome to Generation X Paranormal.
To be here.
Yeah, absolutely.
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You know, you've got quite a an interesting background and you know, we were obviouslywe're familiar with work because we've talked a little bit before we started, but for some
of our audience who may be meeting you for the first time, how would you describe yourjourney into the paranormal?
Well there's there's two ways to look at it.
One, you know, my personal journey, and the other was my filmmaking journal.
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Which one would you like to start with?
Let's start with let's start with your personal.
So when I was twelve years old I had my first non dual experience, which is a situationwhere the self disappears and there's just a world.
The world is just there.
And I've had multiple ones since then.
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I've also had uh multiple out of body experiences of the kind where my awareness stepsoutside and I can see what I'm doing.
I once beat the crap out of somebody that way, the young person.
And uh I had another kind where I actually got out of my body.
D do you know where Gart Camp Crystal Mine is?
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Have you ever talked to anybody from there in Arkansas?
We we're not far from
Yeah, I've heard of it.
I've heard of it.
should you should go.
It's one of the most paranormal hot spots you'd ever want to go to.
Okay.
Well they put me up in a trailer and all of a sudden in the middle of the night I got upout of bed and things were askew in a way that was weird.
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And I kind of crawled over on the floor.
I could still feel the the kind of carpeting on the floor and I was charging my batteriesand something wasn't right.
And then I thought, ooh, and I wanna allo maybe I should get a flashlight, so I went overand my flashlight didn't work.
And then I remember I didn't lock the door, so I went and locked the door, went got andwent back to bed, and that was it.
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I've had a really profound time slip on my way the whole crew on their way to BradshawRanch.
I looked at pretty much every Eastern tradition, had multiple mystical experiencesthroughout my life.
All I was a llama in Tibet.
But
So that's kind of my personal journey.
My uh film journey into the paranormal occurred when I was hired by a company to produce aseries on on Bigfoot called Chasing Bigfoot, which was done very well.
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And I was captivated by the yeah, that people really didn't know what this this was.
People were having experiences.
I interviewed and of course they were I believe what they said, what they saw, you know.
They were in line.
Yet
what they reported was kind of weird.
And of course at that time this was, you know, pre COVID and everything.
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The pretty much if you ask people to raise their hand what they thought Bigfoot was, Iwould say ninety five percent would say was some kind of biological entity, either in the
ape vein or some kind of missing humanoid.
And now that's really turned around.
Mm-hmm.
And so I became fascinated with the idea to try and figure out
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the the nature of Bigfoot, 'cause it just seems mysterious.
There are all these things that are associated with it, footprints that go nowhere, peoplehave stuff thrown at them, hoots and howls.
By the way, we just recorded an amazing hoot over Memorial Day weekend.
And I'll probably talk about the protocol, the C E six protocol that we're working on andperforming.
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And uh so at at one point I was quite in t so
So one of the people I interviewed who has a Bigfoot Sasquatch output said, I think it'ssomething paraphysical or interdimensional.
And of course, interdimensional is kinda like a scientific word for magic.
You know, nobody knows what to really And I thought, Well, you know, when I was younger Iwas quite interested in UFOs and read a lot of science fiction for a w long time.
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And I thought, well
Maybe there's a connection between these two things, you know, 'cause they're they're bothsort of the same phenomena.
You can't quite put your finger on yet they show up, right?
Absolutely.
And so I did this this movie called The Bigfoot Alien Connection Reveal.
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And that was a hu amazingly, hugely successful movie that changed a lot of people's mind.
It was transformational for many people.
I don't know if you've ever seen it.
It's gotten like ten million views across multiple streaming platforms.
Made a lot of money to
More than likely we have.
We watch a lot of that stuff, so I'm sure we have.
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We we do so much research with it that I I guarantee you we've we've definitely watchedit.
So yeah, it did it did very well.
But I still didn't have the answer and so still what I'm doing, trying to figure out whatthe hell that thing is.
Yeah.
That's what we all do.
Yeah.
And and we've spoke to so many different researchers and experiencers that i everybodykinda still trying to get get their handle on w what's going on.
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Um, you know, even talking with r with Brett Eichenberger who did his series on it and andRon Moorhead, you know, kinda talking to him about the Sierra sounds, it was it it is such
an interesting it's so different than just your average like uh spirits or ghost or
Crypted.
Or cryptid.
You know, it it's just everybody's got an opinion and everybody ha is very passionateabout their opinion.
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So it's always it's always interesting to to talk to people and kind of get a differentfeel for what they what they believe.
Uh and it does.
You're right.
It kind of spans that that
But the shift the shift has really taken place now.
Like when Moneymaker decided that Bigfoot was something paranormal.
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I mean that was probably like the last straw.
Yeah,
If if you were to that five percent is turned into probably si sixty percent now thinkingit's something other than a biological creature.
And it's you know, growing that way constantly.
Agreed.
Yeah.
Yeah, we've definitely noticed that as well.
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But you know, when it comes to your experiences, you know, you've worn many differenthats.
You know, you've you've done filmmaker, you're an author, you're a researcher.
What what comes first to you?
What what is what is it that you sort of say this is this is it?
And then all these other things are are part of it, but just not the the main part.
So the the through line in my life is I want to know the truth.
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How is it how is it that I am?
I've been plagued by that question ever since.
And I, you know, went through many philosophy, you know, authors who I thought might havethe answer, you know, physics at the time for a while.
Thought there was the answer was there.
But none of really do.
I'm n I'm not satisfied yet.
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So it's and I'm now working with the hypotheses, but
Jacques Vallet that that's the whole point.
Living in the mystery is what we should be doing.
Not knowing is what we should be doing.
Absolutely.
You know, with the paranormal, I've often found that it's it's the quest.
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It's not the it's not the finding out.
Like if we all woke up in the morning tomorrow and we all knew exactly where Bigfoot camefrom or is, or even with with uh, you know, alien or or encounters of that sense, and then
of course goes, I feel like it would be a really bad day, not just because, you know, itit kind of expands a lot of people that aren't ready for it.
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But you kind of give up that that I I guess that that quest.
And I feel like that's part of that whole human experience.
Yeah, for example, um when we were going out to Bradshaw and we had this time slip.
You know what a time slip is?
Oh yeah.
Have you ever had one?
I have, yes.
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Not that I'm that I'm aware of.
I have not.
J just a quickly we were told by Tom Dongle, who's kind of the person that wrote the bookon Bradshaw in the nineties with with Linda.
Uhhuh.
And he said, Well, you should be there at at seven o'clock to set up your filming for thatevening.
And so we were in a big SUV and the crew we met our local guide.
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We got into the van and we started driving and it's a straight shot.
You if you don't turn left or right you're gonna get there.
where you have to turn left because that's where have to go down to the place.
And uh after a while we all like, What there shouldn't be any houses over there.
Everything was weird.
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It was kinda like when I had that that out of body experience, you know, when I wascrawling around.
Same sort of feeling.
Everybody was feeling it.
And uh we almost drove off a ledge and then all of sudden we were on the main road.
And we arrived at Bradshaw at seven o'clock and then we looked at our GPS on our the ourvehicle, it showed we were going like this for a half hour.
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Wow.
Snaking around.
And so one of the people, coup person who had that experience, that was life changing.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And and folks who've never been out.
Now we've we've been out in Sedona and and actually Nicole's been
I was right outside of Bradshaw Ranch.
I was there a few years ago and it was me and my cousin and we did one of those pink jeeptours and it was just the two of us and we just gotten started, got out there and the
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driver paused and she's like, Have you ever heard of Bradshaw Ranch?
And I was like, Yes.
She's like, It's right there and I th it was we were right on the outside of it.
And then she proceeded through the rest of the drive to tell us about all the weird stuffthat happens in the desert around there.
And I'm talking weird stuff.
People disappearing, people disappearing for days and then showing back up, major timeslips like that, things that they're seeing out in the desert.
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So everything you're saying makes complete sense.
And being out there, I mean, there is nothing out there.
Nothing.
Well, Bradshaw Ranch is cool and you saw the you saw the movie.
That's there's a lot of structure there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I always felt pretty good there, you know?
Yeah.
When we were rounding up a gang from the Sedona Ascension Conference, people were prettyscared to go out at night.
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You know, that was what Richard wanted to do, of course.
Right.
Right.
And so, you know, they did pr some people did preparations of cleansing themselves and anduh me and my crew, we just, you know, walked down to the gate.
Crawl underneath and we're in.
So it's it's it's an interesting place.
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I lost my training thought.
Were we what were we talking about?
I was gonna say something.
We were talking about Bradshaw Ranch and getting there and the time slips and we had kindastarted with that.
So anyhow it's these so can I tell you one more story for Sedona?
Do you know who uh Chris Bledsaw is?
Heard of him at least?
I've heard that name.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
You he puts his hand up like case and UAPs come down.
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
I know what you're talking about.
He was supposed to be the headliner for this conference of really rich white people.
oh A couple of the women said to Don't don't don't if you film, don't put me in the moviebecause my husband will get really pissed off and he sees me in this movie 'cause he
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doesn't know I'm here.
That's funny.
That's hilarious.
I think I think that may be one of my new taglines for conferences.
That's hilarious.
So so my publicist called up and said we do the C six protocol, which if you know anythingwhat's in the book, it's as I can tell you about it later.
And I had done it with, you know, maybe like fifteen, twenty people.
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So they said, Would you like to replace Blood Souls, the headliner on Saturday or Fridayevening, whatever it was, probably Friday and and you have to give a talk, which is fine.
We'll pay you money and all that shit.
And
And then as we pr progressed, I was looking at at the website and it turns out that it'smore than thirty five.
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They're looking at maybe a hundred and fifty people in a football stadium.
Yeah.
Well
Like wow, I don't know about this, but you know, we were there and then it turned out tobe over two hundred because once we gave our talk then everybody wanted to go.
People were having fits that they couldn't buy a ticket.
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So So the most interesting we recorded was on our thermal.
And when I said told everybody to look to the sky, immediately six, four fast movers likethe Tic Tacs on
Mm-hmm.
In sixteen seconds.
And they're exactly the same as the Tic Tacs.
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Yeah, tic tac.
On a thermo because those were all thermal recordings too.
Wow.
And then one other just to show you the other side of the the protocol is that I do thisNamaste practice to start out with and two people didn't know each other realized they
each was their soulmate and they went off and did whatever you do when you find yoursoulmate.
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Yeah, we're familiar.
There you go.
yes, we've been married for twelve well, going on twenty years now.
Yeah.
Just giving you a hard time.
I and you know what?
That's that's the best thing to do to us 'cause it it ki it makes us laugh.
But yeah.
You got pretty serious there for a moment.
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Actually what's funny is if if you knew us, we're probably the least serious people whenit comes to that kind of we we uh we do what we call church it up a little bit when we do
our our show so that you know it has some kind of flow to it so it's not just us crackingup because we've got a lot of outtakes.
But so Bradshaw Ranch, I I did have a question about that, especially as a filmmaker.
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And obviously you're a researcher as well, but you know, a lot of the times that and wefilm, so we we kind of have an idea when we go into something.
of an idea of what we want to see and how we want to film it and set up different things.
But I'm always interested when it comes to place like that.
I guess basically before filming, did you kind of have an expectation in your mind of whatwas going to happen?
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And then after film you realize that either A, it was nothing like that, or B, it kind ofit kind of really was sort of what you were expecting, or was it just a complete flat out
surprise?
Well at this point, you know, I knew stuff was gonna happen.
I you know, I was drawn to it to a amazing s collection of synchronicities that how weended I didn't know about it and after about two weeks I had already set up to go there
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and film.
So I know so I knew this was the thing to do.
'Cause I'm all I'm driven by synchronicities.
The first one was we were gonna do a f we're doing a follow up to the
The Bigfoot and then Connection Reveal.
And I needed an end piece which was just kind of an investigation.
We were gonna do it in Ohio.
But then the people said, No, we can't do that because it's hunting season, we'll probablyget shot.
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So it's like, God, what are we gonna do?
And the first thing in my that came up in my news feed that the next morning was a storyabout the vortexes at Sedona.
Thought that's where I gotta go.
I didn't know Bradshaw Ranch was was there at that time.
didn't know anything about it to tell you the truth.
But then through a couple of steps, I ran into somebody who had gone there, kinda knew usfrom because she was from Colorado but now living in Florida.
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And she said, Yeah, I went to this place, Bradshaw Ranch.
I suck in under the gate like other people's under the the fence and uh I got kindaspooked and I got out and I said, I think that's where we should go.
And so uh talked to Melinda Leslie, who's very
well known in the area with disclosure.
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And uh I called her up and she said, yeah, yeah, come on out.
You should go talk to Tom Dongo.
You know, he'll he'll tell you the story.
And so we plan to do that.
And then Tom said, There's this young guy I'm kind of mentoring.
And I called him up and I said, Do you want to be our guide for our filming expedition?
So it all just fell into place in a very short period time.
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So when I'm filming, if that was your question, is that
I th I think, you know, I've done so much documentary work and I know what you have to doto make a movie work.
Which is why most things look like crap, you know, 'cause they don't know that.
So it's I'm always thinking like how am I gonna make this flow as a movie?
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And I'm in that state pretty much so I'm not very much affected in the way other peopleare by the the phon phenomena going on.
Mm-hmm.
I mean the biggest miss was
And my son in law, my partner in this thing, saw a Bigfoot out of you saw the movie whereyou saw the Bigfoot out the window?
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Yep.
Yep.
That we filmed him instead of what he was looking at.
That's the biggest regret I have of the whole event there.
But everything else just intuitively fell into place and I know what I have to do in theshots, you know, like when we met Benjamin, you know, I knew we had to do a meet and
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greet, you know.
Yeah.
Well they had never he had never done before, yeah.
It's a setup sequence and uh I have to get establishing shots and and create a story.
And so I'm pretty absorbed in that and in some way I would say I'm not as sensitive in theway a lot of other people are.
Uh at least when I'm doing that sort of stuff.
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Although I did see Bigfoot once, in a way.
Yeah?
How how'd that happen?
There's this place in Bailey, Colorado, where there's a culturally modified couple treesthat the Ute Indians they were a t a a tribe that was operating at the same time as the
Comanche and Arapahoe and Cheyenne, but they never quite adopted being a horse culture,although they had horses and they hung out on the edge of the mountains.
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In fact they're the ones that are associated with Skinwalker Ranch.
But they're the ones here at Colorado too.
That that was just the way they operated.
They you know, they would kill Buffalo, but they would also go up into the mountains inthe summer and and hunt game up there, which you know, the
the the Cheyenne never did.
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They stayed on the plains.
And so there were these culturally modified trees by the tribe back back probably in theearly eighteen eighties, eighteen thirties, something like that.
And they've grown up they have a kind of twist to 'em.
And people w the natives would come and get little pieces of medicine out of it.
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It's a theory.
And so we we were there was a ru
group of people doing Bigfoot weekend.
I said, Well there's this I learned about this tree through another synchronization.
A woman said, let me show you this.
I said, Okay.
So I so I d I said to the group, 'cause I do a little meditation for I wish I had to goover to this tree and and um I've seen people, you know, put their hands on a tree and
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they get energy from the tree, you know, and it's pretty common practices amongst peoplewho are are kind of spiritual and they go to the woods, places like that.
And so everybody, to my surprise, people wanted to do it because these were people huntingflesh and blood things.
And most of them had some kind of experience from a simple ting tingling, you know, togetting flush to one one girl said, I traveled through this through space.
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And I said, That was really cool.
Would you like to do it again?
She said, I never want to do that again.
Probably ruin her for the rest of her life.
So anyhow, when we're all done, I said to Alan, we should go try this.
And so we put our hand on the tree and shut our eyes and I opened my eyes and looked overand there was a creature, kind of like a shadow creature, quite large, in the shape of a
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Bigfoot, standing behind Alan.
And uh he was kinda oscillating in and out like in Star Trek, you know, where they thatthey're in the transporter or something where you kinda pixelating in and out of existence
and and eventually my
My mind and brain figured out what was going on 'cause this was pretty weird.
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And I said to Alan, There's a creature behind it and he Yeah, I know, I felt it walk up, Iknow it's right there.
So that's my Bigfoot experience.
Yeah.
Wow.
That's really cool.
With the mystery alive, let me tell ya.
That's for sure.
Yeah, I don't think I've ever ran into that.
That's a that's something that of all the paranormal stuff that we've done, we've neverreally had an experience with that.
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And you know, maybe it just hasn't happened yet for us, but who knows?
Hopefully someday we can make that happen.
We live in a state that apparently has a lot of that activity.
So
The Ozarks.
Near the Ozarks and that's something that I'm sure at some point.
Yeah, we were at the conference in Eureka Springs.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
In April too.
I mean I did a lot of stuff in April.
And we did the protocol there.
It had some amazing results.
Yeah, Eureka Springs is one of those places that's just um it's very unique and
charged in i every way, shape, and form.
Absolutely.
Yeah, we've we've definitely enjoyed that in the Crescent Hotel there.
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So we've had some had some pretty good times out there.
Just kinda
And by then gotten this device that measures all these physical variables like magneticfluctuation and uh pressure, air pressure, essentially, you know, is is is things
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vibrating and um it's got a gyroscope.
And when I said to the group, now we're gonna ask the presence to communicate with us.
The gyroscope made a steady climb through the whole thing.
Basically we were torquing through space, which is what the tr which wa which was thetheory behind warp drive, and this blew everybody's mind who they had never seen that kind
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of result in the corresponding ones with the magnetic field jumping up and and uh and oneone was when we were done with the protocols went back to nothing.
Everything.
And so I asked
I think it was Gemini w one of the chat pods.
Say, What do you think of this?
And they described that this this is a way that people think Warp Drive will work, youknow, so that you can if you remember from Star Trek, you know, go from workplace
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instantaneously.
Then I said to you, Well, who should I let know about this?
Keep it said, Keep it secret for now.
Yeah.
That may be lucrative later.
Who knows?
So let's go ahead and talk about the protocol.
I know you've mentioned that quite a bit and I think I think it's probably a good place toput that in and and kinda so that way your audience kinda knows what what we're referring
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to.
Yeah.
so I've I've done these things called enlightenment intensive and I had an enlightenmentintensive teacher who was a pretty cool guy.
And he introduced me to this primitive chant, which is a chant of vowels that form thebasis of all natural languages.
And they're A E I O.
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And he said, you know, if you do that
Do it really loud and fast and you're doing something physical at the same time.
You can have another you can create a non dual experience where the self disappears.
So I did and it did.
And then I was exhausted, so I sat down on lay down on the couch, and then I could see myego or self get reconstructed, which was really cool.
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That was a long time ago.
Probably maybe like two thousand five, two thousand six.
And so like three years ago we were wrapping up a movie and we were in Oklahoma and wewere sitting around a a fireplace that uh well it was no fire was spring, so there's just
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a circle where the fire would be.
Yeah.
And for some reason, like this is a synchronicity, it said, You should do that chant witheverybody.
Where that came from, I don't know.
But I told about it and we did.
And the first night
We did it.
We got the typical kind of ghosty things going on.
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The the REM pod kinda went off and Alan interacted with a little bit and uh spirit boxthat said its name.
And uh what else?
I always forget what wha what what do you call these things when you record you don't hearwhat what occurred but you hear like E VPs, right?
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So when we got back and listened to it
There was a female voice as clear as they said, This is freaking me out.
And I j I gave it to a guy who was an expert in EVPs.
He said, This is one of the best ones you ever heard.
And so then the next night, do you mind me keep going?
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I thought, let's do it again and see what happened.
This time nothing happened.
No equipment, nothing.
And so as we're getting ready to leave to our different abodes, so the the pit was uh
Like this, and then you'd walk out.
There are big trees, deciduous trees, maybe two stories high or more.
All of a sudden as I was a liar 'cause I'm the old guy, you know, and something comescrashing through the treetops, horizontal to the ground, and keeps going and takes a turn.
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It's like, wow, that's weird.
Then the people that were walking towards the car picked up the phenomena and a thing
smashed to the ground, shaking the ground in front of them, like three feet in front.
And the the cameraman went in totally different direction.
Said, I felt the thump.
I thought Rob had fallen over or something.
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And uh the cameras weren't rolling.
Yeah.
And so it's like I had no explanation for that.
I mean, Alan and and uh Doctor Greer thought, well maybe it was a tall Bigfoot doing thator something.
But that didn't seem reasonable to me.
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No.
Interesting.
So I was kinda like like I'm going to uh give up the search to figure out the nature ofBigfoot.
That was way too much, you know, just too weird.
But then at a place in Colorado, my son in law, in fact, Richard Estep, wanted to go on aBigfoot search.
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I don't say hunt anymore.
Right.
They did at this place and he got to interact with a REM pod.
It's in the movie.
That blew his mind, you know.
Yeah.
He said, I'm gonna do
fifty heartbeats or some damn thing like that.
And then would you please step it to the r to the REM pod and we'll go off?
And it did, and that just blew his mind.
Wow.
Wow, that's cool.
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That's really cool actually.
I can see him do that, yeah.
You know, in his British way it's unlike um
He saw it's funny how animated he can get.
Yeah, and so um a couple of weeks later, um Alan and and this guy we called Bigfoot Kennyfrom Estes Park, you know, you know that I guess Alan told him about the experience and so
(29:57):
he wanted to meet Alan and and Alan married my daughter and so they went to meet to meethim, Kenny that is, and uh when they did got together, they heard what sounded like
you know, Sierra Sounds and which was in was partially recorded 'cause the film he saidAnd then when when they got back to the car, uh Kenny and and Alan were saying, Well what
(30:27):
did you hear?
We should talk about this a bit And Kenny said, I heard A E I O O and Alan was like, Oh myGod 'cause because he was there, you know, in Oklahoma two years ago and Kenny knew
nothing about what we had done there.
And then I was yeah, I think that's what I heard.
And so that energized me.
(30:48):
Yeah, of course.
Absolutely.
And uh it sounds like this here sounds.
um You know, my chat my chatbot said that, you know, it's not human.
It's proto language.
And so that's when I designed what what we call the C E six protocol, which consists ofgetting people in some sort of meditation circle.
(31:09):
I guess I like circles.
Well when we did it at Sedona, it was pitch black.
Towards the end of it the group said, Can we do this ourselves?
It will make a giant circle and hold hands and they did.
Imagine like two hundred twenty people spontaneously doing the chant and holding hands.
It was like amazing.
Yeah.
Any anyhow, so the protocol was I would do meditation, a little mindfulness meditation,which is you become aware of some aspect of a that you can isolate like a a body
(31:44):
sensation, an itch, you know, or a pain.
You can do that.
Most people do breath 'cause that's easy.
These other things are going on and then the Vipassana aspect is that you notice they comeout of nowhere and go nowhere, you don't control Right.
So I combine those and then we do the chant about five or six times.
(32:06):
And people in the circle had all these sensations of body and everything.
And there were a lot of uh wood knots that we recorded.
And the other thing that happened was as clear as day, it was a musical beat like bump upa bump we recorded.
Because the idea is that before language, music established the auto regress music isautoregressive.
(32:33):
Right.
There's the L L LM so they're totally autoregressive.
They're just predicting the relationship between words and which one should follow thenext ones I say.
As if all of a sudden I started talking about blue sky and pink clouds, right now you'dthink I was crazy, right?
Just ramble that way.
We are
(32:55):
Point, not a line scares it, yeah.
So so it was he was not only saying whatever it is that's producing this, it's saying,look at look at how language started with music, probably beating the drum and getting
people together and telling stories around it before they could talk.
Then proto language.
(33:16):
And uh and that's pointing to, you know, the L L Ms 'cause that's what they are.
And and then and then I said, Well now pay attention to sounds and then we picked up andrecorded Bigfoot Chatter and sounds like the Sierra Sounds that Braun Moore had.
Yeah.
And in one of in one thing between the second to last and the last one it said AIOU werecorded.
(33:40):
And so we got m huge number of random subsonic pulses in the same event, and then we tookthe event to Mount Shasta.
Nun Sedona and Eureka Springs.
And then we did a repeat this this Memorial Day at Church Creek just to see with the newequipment to see what would happen.
(34:02):
And we're just analysing that now.
Mm.
Have you ever
That happened was a large bigfoot hoot hoot.
Sing like, Hi, we're still I'm still here.
Yeah.
Have you ever set like something in the middle of of the group when you're doing thisprotocol to test the frequency that's that's coming out when you guys are chanting and
(34:23):
saying saying these letters?
You ever done that?
You mean like some sort of w analyze this some way form?
Analyze analyzes the frequ what is it?
I don't know the exact equipment, but there's something that will
So so we have this thing frequency waves.
We used that Eureka Springs that measures almost all these variables.
Mm-hmm.
They were all going crazy and nobody had ever seen that before.
(34:47):
Including, you know, the spiral up the gyroscope.
Right.
I'd be curious to know what the frequency is on that.
Yeah.
Well, you know you know the magnetic fluctuation is its own thing.
You know, the radio frequencies, microwaves, you know, layer frequencies.
These things are all presented in waveform forms, you know, in in certain small measures,you know.
(35:12):
Mm mm.
Except the subsonic pulses which are just like boom.
And they're they're an audio frequency below what we can normally hear.
Mm-hmm.
But you know, the g the gear can process it and play it back so we can actually hear whereit's occurring and in the time frame.
But people didn't hear it at all, you know, alive because we don't have the ears to hear.
(35:37):
Yeah, that's always interesting to me because I part of my other life, I'm a I'm a networkengineer by trade.
So one of the things I used to do was voice.
So a lot of IP telephony and stuff like that.
So I'm I'm pretty well versed in analog versus digital as far as how sound works.
and a lot of people don't realize that I mean, just this conversation we're having rightnow, it's not an actual you're not really hearing my voice.
(36:03):
What you're hearing is a digital reproduction of what my voice sounds like.
Whereas analog, you're actually getting the full, you know, tone and the and the feel ofit with that exact wave.
So
I always knew you were a robot just by the way you got the New York Yankee hat on.
Hey Mel.
(36:24):
You're missing that game right now.
I know.
Well you know what's been a rough year though now with Judge out.
gosh.
It's he's out
Yeah, yeah, they are.
Yeah.
But uh and I they'll probably end up winning it too.
But no, what is what's interesting is a lot of people don't realize that, you know, whenyou're doing something like what you're talking about with the protocol, when you're
(36:45):
experiencing those waves, it's a it's a very different feeling than what you would get.
Even like if you're listening to vinyl versus like a digital music, you know, you start tofeel that a little bit differently.
So
you know, measuring that and and seeing something like that, I think does have a reallybig profound difference between, you know, if you were just to hear it on your your iPhone
(37:06):
or something like that, you know, being present to hear that chanting and being, you know,some two hundred people in a circle.
Comparing how many people compared to the experiences to comparing to where you are.
Yeah.
Like if you're in the
interesting.
It's creating one coherent mind.
Absolutely.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And it's a forest multiplier because it's a lot of different people doing the same thing.
(37:28):
So do you know what the chakras are or ever hear of So if you want to try this now, havesome fun.
Because the these vowels follow the chakras from down below to up top.
So if you start here, come with me.
Touch your touch your a oh So you guys do it together now.
(37:56):
Eh?
Yeah.
You should do it with your ears plugged.
At least one of you.
Because you'll hear feel the vibration.
You like vibrations, you'll feel the vibration change as you move up.
If Bigfoot comes crashing through the window right now.
All right.
uh I boo.
(38:26):
I almost focused.
uh
That's interesting though.
That's no accident that it follows that pattern, I believe.
Because the vibration resembles, you know, basis of Chinese medicine and all that crap,you know.
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
Well and and for those of uh of you listening they probably think we're a little bitcrazy, which we are, but sh and if you're curious we'll we'll watch the video.
(38:51):
But it what we're feeling is a sensation each time we're touching and it's it'sinteresting 'cause it resonates differently as it goes up.
And if you can plug your ears and do it, you can actually feel the how the vibrationchanges.
I'll have to see if I can get you take off your headsets.
Well, I do it in yoga.
Like there's meditation in yoga where you do the humming too.
(39:12):
So I know I know exactly what you're talking about and you can feel it through your wholebody.
Well, and I've done it with like different types of EMDR therapy or different things likethat.
The tapping, you know, I know it's a lot of it has to do with that those same spots that,you know I mean they do they do do something for you.
I would be interested to take part in something like that with a lot of people.
(39:33):
Yeah, I mean we'll do it.
Next time you're out there.
I'm doing a retreat this fall based on a I also do flow practice.
Are you familiar with flow?
Yes.
It's it's a way of letting go of the ego or self and you're just doing the activity.
It's bas you know, it's based on kind of martial play, you know, that I derive from mymartial arts activities over the years.
(39:57):
Mm-hmm.
It's transformational for in an amazing way.
But it's better than sitting on the couch because you're moving around and you know,instead of years and in ten minutes.
Yeah.
I mean I I'm happy to not sit on the couch for that long anymore.
(40:17):
You find somebody would enjoy sitting on the couch.
Well, most of the time when I sit on the couch it ends up I end up falling asleep anymoreanyway, but uh so question for you, and it sounds like I may know the answer to this, or
at least I I can somewhat ascertain what your your response is gonna be.
So when it comes to Bigfoot spirits, anomalies, UFOs, and and we know our our personalbelief, but do you believe that there's a connection with all those different types of
(40:46):
paranormal activity?
So that's the Jacques Fellet control hypothesis.
And his idea is that there's some presence, that's the foot as far as he'll go.
Others will go further, I can tell you where they go if you want.
Is that this presence can masquerade as pretty much anything it wants to keep the mysterygoing.
(41:10):
So at our first place at Church Creek, it largely manifested as aspects of Bigfoot, fromsmells.
The sounds, subsonic pulses, chatter like Ron Moore has chattered, all these things areassociated with Bigfoot at one time or another.
You know, the brakes, the beating of the the the beat and everything, it's masquerading asthose.
(41:35):
And if it masquerades as the UAPs, which defy normal our normal physics structure, right?
With it moves so fast and so on.
Should be impossible.
If that if that's the same presence that's doing that, then it can do anything physic withthe physical world.
(41:56):
And it does it to keep the mystery alive so that we end up talking to each other on thesethese devices like this that we built.
And the L L Ms, which is another form of of of language, which it all kind of goes back tobecause before language our ancestors were just a bunch of monkeys throwing shit at each
(42:16):
other.
And if you were raised around my household, that's not necessarily always wasn't inpractice either.
So
You got some kids, or is that between the two of you?
No, I'm talking about my between us.
No, not between us.
I'm talking about my actual growing up when I was yeah.
Like he was saying you guys in your house and do that with each other.
(42:36):
Well, we we did just touch ourselves and do A E I O U, so I mean that was we got to dothat.
No.
Isn't it amazing here I'm f this far away and there's all this weird shit that's going on,you know, with these conversions to different frequencies and different mediums.
And you do weird things 'cause I say some words.
Yep.
True.
That's yeah.
uh
(42:56):
Absolutely.
Mm-hmm.
I mean it's like I'm a magician, I make you do anything I want.
I mean, you got me to do that.
That that was cool.
I mean, it was interesting.
Yeah.
So when it comes to I I guess when it comes to Bigfoot or Sasquatch or however you want tocall that, what do you think skeptics get right?
(43:18):
I know a lot of people say, what do skeptics get wrong?
We could probably talk on hours for that, but what do you think they actually get right?
Well they get there's no real hard physical evidence.
Yes.
That's what you hear.
Where is it?
Where are the bones?
Mhm.
Time.
Where where you know what are the footprints uh are there just five of them?
Yeah.
(43:38):
Right.
So I think they get that right, that it's that it's there's some if if it's real in someways it's playing with us.
It is not fully revealing itself 'cause that's how it keeps the mystery alive.
Agreed.
Yeah.
Yeah, and I guess in in contrast to that, what do you believe believers sometimes getwrong?
(44:01):
It's interesting because there's a lot of people who feel that they feel the energy ofBigfoot in a way and that this is telling them in some way that's unique to their
sensitivities, that there are groups of over to the left, over to the right.
(44:23):
They're not getting visuals of it, but they're getting a feeling sense of the presence.
I th I think that's probably the strangest thing, but
The group we just did, you know, of twenty people at Church Creek were all felt out.
They feel the energies.
And they often relate it to kinda like, you know, young there's young children.
(44:45):
It's it's very much the model of, you know, like gorillas in the in the forest or baboonsor whatever, you know, primate apes of various sorts or monkeys of various sorts.
Inflam family groups and so on.
And and you probably know that the major T V series, you know, Finding Bigfoot.
(45:09):
We've Yeah, they that's all made up crap.
And if you actually talk to the people like Roddy LeBlanc and they'll they'll say therewas a lot of strange stuff we filmed but we don't we couldn't put it in the show 'cause it
doesn't allow for
Yeah, we talked to Russell at Court a bit.
So yeah.
We uh we're kinda
No.
The last long I saw him he gave me a big hug, so he's coming.
(45:29):
uh
That's good.
I gonna say that's that's a rather large man.
I I don't know.
Yeah, he prides himself on that look.
But yeah, he's he he's a cool guy and uh you know that we have this little tiff going iskind of fun for people.
(45:55):
Course.
Yeah, absolutely.
That you know, you gotta that's the thing a lot of people don't realize when it comes towhat we do and and and the different places that we go.
If we took everything so serious all the time, I think most of us would probably havewalked off a ledge a long time ago.
So, you know, having a little bit of fun is is I think that's the most important thing toremember is that you just gotta be able to enjoy part of life too.
(46:17):
So yeah.
I think Russell enjoys life from what I can see.
I I think he enjoys life just fine.
So let's talk a little bit 'cause I know we're kinda getting closer to the end, but I knowyou have a book that came out this this year that you also did with with Mr.
Reader.
What's first
Mark Reeder.
Yeah.
Yeah, sorry.
Does that for a month every year?
uh
(46:46):
That's probably smart.
Get a chance to break away for a little while.
But so what can you tell us a little bit about the book?
Well the book basically chronicles what I told the story I kinda told you.
How we how how the C C six protocol came into existence in more detail of what we uhrecorded and organized in a way that's presentable, I hope.
(47:11):
And that's the kind of the whole point of it.
Yeah.
I think that
You can see the movie too, you know, on YouTube if you Google it.
Okay.
Name high screen just a bigfoot, how original, huh?
Well, I mean it tells exactly what I mean it's high strangers and it's Bigfoot.
I mean what else do you want?
I mean, you know I'll tell you what, Chat GPT didn't come up with that that title.
(47:34):
They would have had like you know, they'd have given you a title about eight pages long.
So I think it I think it does exactly what you need to do.
Yeah, you know, you gotta get better at prompting the chat G B T.
Shut up and just give me two sentences.
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
Stop being so verbose.
When it comes to writing though, what what do you think it does?
And I and I'm fairly confident I know the answer is too.
(47:55):
When when you're writing versus filmmaking, what do you think writing allows you to dothat that maybe filmmaking doesn't?
Well, if you compare the book to the movie, there's at least in terms of pages, at leasttwo thirds more background.
I mean, that's a big deal.
Well, you know, if you just look at the origin of language and uh the idea that languageis auto regressive and that music is too, and you can track track all that changed, you
(48:26):
know, throughout history 'cause there's a lot of people who've done research.
Well, you couldn't do that in the movie.
You could do it in a long series, but you know, that would take if it's you're doing aninety minute movie that that'd take up like twenty minutes of the movie.
Yeah, the exposition would be incredibly long.
You'd have a really hard time trying to do that.
(48:46):
So so that's you know, that's really important in terms of uh writing.
Yeah, that's the big difference, is that you can create a much better context and so on,which is why people still write as opposed to just videos.
Yeah.
Yeah, that that's that's absolutely true.
And uh Right, even when it comes down to gosh, even movies and stuff that we watch thatare, you know, big Hollywood productions.
(49:13):
Based right, the book is usually much better and sometimes v vastly different, but yeah.
Well Yeah.
But for sure.
So kind of in in closing, there's a couple of questions I have that are probably on themore fun side.
What when you're filming
We know there's a lot of long hours.
What do you prefer?
Are you a coffee drinker or are you are you doing the energy drinks?
(49:36):
What are you doing?
What part of my life are you talking about?
That's true.
That's vastly
a good point, yeah.
Yeah, that's a good point.
Same here.
So you when you know, when I'm doing a a motion picture back in the the nineties, withmillions of dollars at stake, it's a different kind of question than what I'm filming at
(49:57):
Bradshaw Ranch.
That where you know a little shot of this will do.
So back then, you know, I can't even remember when the heck I did.
Long hours.
It's just it's just so different and uh there are all these people that are you know,doing stuff.
(50:18):
And they all cost money, you know.
I remember thinking, Can I spend a hundred thousand hundred thousand dollars in in a day?
yeah, that's easy.
I could
imagine, you know, just knowing how liquidy yeah some of these people are, or they thinkthey're liquid and then they're just horribly in debt.
So
And then, you know, like when I do did educational stuff and I gotta interview aprofessor, the big thing is can I find parking somewhere on a campus?
(50:47):
Well it varies a lot in terms of the scale and the money involved and you know finding theparking, that kind of stuff is pretty easy, you know, it's it's fun.
I don't remember when the heck I did when I and you know, when you're doing films you
You s you have a day off Sunday and Monday you start in the day and then on Saturdayyou're doing night stuff because there's so many factors you have to jumble.
(51:15):
You know, the most expensive item is your talent sometimes.
Yes.
And you wanna minimize the time you have to pay them and you know locations, should weshoot everything there?
You have a set that's you know, s ready to go in case it storms, you can go inside andfilm something.
It's very complicated.
sure.
(51:36):
It's hell.
I I can only imagine.
Yeah.
So we're on kind of getting towards the end here.
Where can our audience find you or where how can they get involved in kind of what you gotgoing on and and pick up your book?
Well, you can get the book on Amazon or Barnes and Noble.
Just Google the title, it'll come up.
And go to YouTube with the same title and you can find it.
(51:58):
Should be pretty easy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean I mean that's about as let the search engine work for you.
So Ron, after all these years of studying mysteries, and and I know you've done quite abit, what is the one mystery or the one thing that still kind of keeps you awake at night
that you just can't put your finger on?
(52:19):
Goes back to what I said earlier.
How is it that I am this one?
Because there was a time when I wasn't, you know.
Nineteen twenty I wasn't.
And now I am.
How d how did that happen?
What?
I mean, I know that I started out as a little egg and all that supposed to be.
Sure, sure, sure.
But you know, it still befuddles me.
(52:42):
It's a deep mystery for me.
Kind of the origin of consciousness and where where it all came from.
Yeah.
That's
Which is this is another thing, you know, that's different.
Right.
At least in terms of the way I look at it, consciousness is is experience.
So right now you can become aware, both of you can become aware that you're listening tome.
(53:04):
Can you do that?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
So humans are the only ones that can do that.
So that's fascinating.
I mean, that's really profound that you can actually become aware that you're aware andwhat you're aware of.
At the same time you're aware of it.
And so there's this space of which everything appears.
(53:25):
We talked about the meditation of the sound, hearing the sounds and you know, bodyfeelings.
The thing that most people get hung up on is that your thoughts and feelings are nodifferent.
in essence in the sound or the pain.
And if you become aware of a thought, sometime when you have one, you'll see it'll justkind of evaporate.
(53:48):
And if you eventually kind of become more aware of it, you notice that you didn't do that.
You do you all have self talk?
Yeah.
So that's uh that's not you.
No thought is you.
So you when you have a pain, you don't say, I am my knee pain, right?
Right.
But when you have the thought, that's you, you think.
(54:10):
And that's you know, that's how suffering consists in.
Preferences.
Don't want this, want that.
And if you notice that these these thoughts that come at the same space as the sound orthe body feeling are of the same nature, they come and go.
You can cure yourself up quite a bit.
(54:30):
Pretty profound.
Okay.
Talk about a mic drop at the very end.
Jeez, that's fantastic.
And that very well put, Ron.
I appreciate that.
That's that was great.
But well listen, you know, we're we're right at about the the hour mark and we wanted tomake sure that we got all that out for you.
And gosh, what a great, what a great time to sit down and talk.
So thank you for for spending that time with us.
(54:53):
Yeah, and if you feel g like it and we could get together in Alton, Illinois, you couldcome to our event and you'll get a little taste of what we do.
Yep.
That'd be really
Yeah, we'll definitely look that up.
I know we'll we will be traveling the week prior, so there Yeah, if we can make it back upthere, we definitely will.
just for that very reason.
Mm-hmm.
So
and sp the venue is pretty nice.
It's at a like a county college or something like that.
(55:17):
It's got a nice auditorium and pretty good space for venue.
People are selling merch and it's usually a pretty good and creepy crowd, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah, no kidding.
our folks.
Well, Ron, thank you so much for for hanging out with us and hope maybe we'll reach inreach out to you and see you in Alton.
So we'll look forward to it.
(55:39):
It's been a pleasure, it's been fun.
You guys you guys are a hoot.
Stay happy.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
You as well.
Well, we had fun.
Hey, thanks, Ron.
He's a lot of fun.
Interesting.
So interesting about the vowels.
Yeah.
I also like picked up when he was talking about, let's stand in a circle.
Let's do because all tribal nations stood in a circle.
(56:02):
If you even go back to like the stone circles circle, right?
Yeah.
There's something about the chanting.
All tribal nation nations, and he was talking about the drumming as well.
Basically the voices are using as that's why I was like
I wonder what the frequency is.
Because do you remember on Skinwalker Ranch when they had the natives come out on the mesaand get in a circle and they did the drumming and they were testing the frequency?
(56:28):
I can't remember what the frequency was.
I'm sure we can look it up, but yeah.
I would be so interested to know what it is.
I don't know what it is you use to measure that.
What?
Yeah, I mean there's I can't even think of the name, but yes, there is ways to to
Well I know there is, I don't know what equipment is used, but
And I've completely lost it, so anybody who knows it, feel free to tell me.
(56:51):
I
I have a feeling it's gonna be the same frequency.
I think it'll be awfully close for sure.
I mean listen guys, there's a reason why these frequencies are out there, you know.
it seems like stuff happens when they use it.
Yeah.
I mean just look at that, was it the six point something that they were having onSkinwalker all the time when a lot of this real wild stuff would happen?
(57:12):
Yeah.
Um, I mean there's there's a lot of technology behind it and there's a lot of researchbehind it that yeah, this isn't just some freak you know, from some weird freaked out
thing.
This is this is very well known.
In fact, do you know that they use frequencies to break up kidney stones?
Yeah.
So I mean it this isn't a way out there thought pattern.
(57:33):
So
I mean, they use frequencies for everything really.
It's just nobody talks about it.
Right.
And I think our ancestors knew how to connect to whether it's another dimension.
They were able to call the beings to them, I think.
If you think even think about the petroglyphs and stuff, and I know that's mentioned inthe Brad Shaw Ranch film that he did, the petroglyphs is showing showing them like in a
(57:59):
circle and like the spiral and then like
what they seem to be like alien, you know, entities coming down, it's like Yeah.
Maybe they knew how to contact them.
Like maybe we as humans have the ability to do so.
I think if we know how to do it and use the right frequency.
Absolutely.
But we're not meant to know that anymore.
(58:19):
I'm going to find out.
I am going to find out.
Cause I I there's something there because it it spans across every single nation.
It does.
Every s single continent.
I mean they find it
in all locations that they and I mean Egypt.
I mean look there.
Yeah.
You talk to Mike Ricksecker and he I mean he believes it.
Absolutely.
(58:39):
Stargates and stuff.
I just I feel like there there's untapped resources there and p we're all starting to justkind of understand just a little bit more piece by piece.
We are.
And if you're listening to this frequency, we are very glad you joined us today.
It won't bring you anything.
Uh but thank you so much.
(59:02):
For sure.
Hope it'll bring you knowledge.
That's right.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's our that's our motto.
Knowledge and laughter.
But guys, until next time, we're happy to have you here and we'll see you again.
Yeah, and please go check out Ron's book, The High Strangeness of Bigfoot.
Um it it's on Amazon.
I know you can get it on Kindle or Paperback.
and then the YouTube video, which we will go watch too.
(59:24):
I didn't know it was on YouTube, so right now, after more work.
from over.
I guess we'll see you later.
Bye.
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