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June 13, 2025 • 16 mins

Few people understand how vibrant and culturally rich Black Hendersonville once was. Documentarian David Weintraub's latest film, "Color Beyond the Lines," uncovers this hidden history and reveals a surprising truth: many Black residents didn't embrace school desegregation because they valued their own educational institutions where teachers looked like them and taught their history.

After working with the Black History Research Group for over a decade and conducting hundreds of oral histories, Weintraub felt compelled to tell this story. The film documents how institutions like the Ninth Avenue School and East Flat Rock Colored School formed the cultural backbone of the community despite having fewer resources. When integration came, something precious was lost - schools taught by people who understood the discrimination Black residents faced daily, from segregated water fountains to being forced to sit upstairs at theaters and get food from the backs of restaurants.

"There's gold in these hills," Weintraub explains, describing the rich tapestry of cultural connections he's discovered during his 25-year filmmaking journey. Through his Center for Cultural Preservation, he's created over 50 documentary films and recorded more than 500 oral histories, capturing voices that might otherwise be silenced by time. His work reveals how Appalachian traditions, from music to crafts, represent not just white culture but a beautiful blending of African-American, British Isles, and Indigenous influences.

Don't miss the premiere of "Color Beyond the Lines" on June 21st at Thomas Wolfe Auditorium at Blue Ridge Community College, featuring post-film discussion with Black community leaders. Tickets are expected to sell out, so reserve yours now at saveculture.org and be part of preserving Henderson County's full, diverse history.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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finest.
How you doing.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Good, so much to be thankful for and so grateful to
be here every Friday morningsponsoring the Hometown Hero
Series.
We have incredible men andwomen that we bring to the mic
every Friday and hear theirincredible stories.
We really do.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
And, hey, I wanted to chat with you for a second
before we introduce our guest,david Weintraub, about the real
estate market here.
I understand that you haveconnections with someone who can
help people get into a new homeaffordably.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well, yesterday we had the privilege of having the
owner, barry, of CompactCottages here on our show
yesterday.
But with the small lot changesin the zoning, we're able to get
more affordable homes.
I mean you can get newconstruction homes for $3,000 to
$3,500, which is incredible inthis area.

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I mean our averagesingle-family home price is over
$530,000.
And so with the efficiency inthe building and also in the
increased density where we canuse city water, city sewer lots
through this new zoningallowance, it's bringing down
the cost of land, bringing downthe cost of construction and
it's allowing us to haveaffordable housing in our

(02:13):
community, which we desperatelyneed, we absolutely need.
So it's amazing there'ssolutions out there.
I mean, maybe it's for yourselfor a loved one or a friend or a
grandchild.
Looking for those options, wehave options that you might not
be aware of.

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You at George Real Estate Group got all the details
on this and can put everybodytogether with who needs to be.

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Absolutely, and if you want to hear more about it,
we had our show yesterday.
You can listen to our podcast,which we podcast all of our
radio shows, including theHometown Hero, but the show
yesterday would be worthlistening to.
And, of course, if you'rethinking of buying or selling or
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helping with that, or even acareer in real estate.
We're growing.
We have more agents joining ourteam.
The market's still moving.

(02:54):
I mean we're averaging some 126single family homes a month
selling in Henderson County.
We still have low inventory.
Yes, the market's softening butit's still moving.
I mean homes are still moving.
The demand is still there.
30 of our homes sold inhenderson county are cash.
So I mean we still can seestrong.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
We still see the the market moving yeah, interest
rate is not a concern to thosefolks but I mean it's certainly
impacting, but it's also theoverall.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
We have a very healthy market all right, all
right, noah.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
thank you very much for bringing us the George Real
Estate Group Hometown Hero Showevery Friday morning and welcome
David Weintraub from the Centerfor Cultural Preservation.
Good morning, david.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Good morning, so happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Thank you for coming out to join us and talk with us
about a new documentary that youhave been spending a lot of
time creating over the pastyears.
I guess I know a little bitabout what you're talking about.
It's the new documentary calledColor Beyond the Lines and it

(04:00):
premieres next Saturday night atThomas Wolfe Auditorium at Blue
Ridge Community College, andwe'll remind you of that as the
show goes on.
But Tippy Cresswell here atBroadcast House is a part of
this documentary, I guess.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
He actually is.
He gets to be on the other sideof the camera or the microphone
as it were.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Well, tell us about Color Beyond the Line.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Well, I've been working with the Black History
Research Group now for a numberof years.
They had asked me to teach themhow to start an oral history
project about 10 years ago, andso I did some training with them
and we started to do some oralhistories maybe a half a dozen
or so and I was really excitedand intrigued by what I was

(04:47):
learning and it became clear tome that it was so important that
we make a film that focused onour black community, because so
many, so few folks understandwhat went on, how vibrant and
cultural rich BlackHendersonville was and what
happened to it with the GreatSociety programs and with the

(05:10):
desegregation of schools.
And it probably will besurprising to a lot of folks
that so many of our blackresidents did not embrace
desegregation of schools,because they loved the Ninth
Avenue School.
They loved the East Flat RockColored School.
These were institutions thatwere taught by people who looked

(05:32):
like them about their historyand about American history, and
all of that was lost.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Gone and pretty much remains gone today.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yeah, we have a plaque at Hendersonville Middle
School where the Ninth AvenueSchool was.
But that richness, thatidentity, that heritage and
that's sort of all my films andI'm on more than 50 now.
All those films that I make areabout community, about our

(06:03):
connections, about this richtapestry that we all play a role
in and about how we affirm thatcultural richness that our
community has imbued for so long.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I mean storytelling is so important.
I mean that's prior to film andradio and I mean storytelling
was how the generations sharedtheir history and you're
continuing to do that nowthrough this and and you're able
to, to connect, tell.
Let's go back to your connect.
I mean, what brought you tothis community?

(06:38):
Can we talk about your storyhere in hendersonville and your,
your connection here?

Speaker 3 (06:44):
well, I've only been here 20 years, but I got here as
quickly as I could um and Ijust fell in love with, with the
nature here, um, but I alsofell in love with the heritage
and the culture here, because somany places you have to go to a
museum, you know, stare atthings under glass to be able to
get in touch with that history.

(07:05):
And here there's just hundredsand hundreds, thousands of
people who have seven, eightgeneration connections to these
hills, to the music, to theculture, to the land, who knew
how to actually do things, youknow, grow fruit, from molasses
makers to moonshiners andeverything in between.
And I was just so thrilled tobe able to sit down.
I always felt like I wasmeeting the richest person I

(07:28):
ever met and they didn't oftenhave more than you know two
nickels to rub together for mostof their life.
But they have this richrichness of connection to the
land, connection to each other,connection to their faith, and I
felt like such a poor personwhen I left that interview
realizing how little I haveconnect compared to them and I
mean it's so compelling.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
I mean, and you're like, you're like I cannot not
document and share the story.
Mean and you're like I cannotnot do this and share the story?

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah, exactly, and you know I've done over 500 oral
histories and almost all thosefolks are gone now, and so it
gives me even more impetus.
I have to keep this goingbecause we're losing something
precious.
The digital age gives ustechnology and some faces on a
screen, but real life, realpeople connected to real things,

(08:16):
gives you something so muchricher.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
How long have you been involved in the documentary
world?
It's been over 25 years now.
Was there some specificcatalyst that got you into that?

Speaker 3 (08:28):
I had no plans to be a filmmaker.
I mean I always liked the ideaof being a filmmaker.
I had no plans to be afilmmaker, I mean I always liked
the idea of being a filmmaker.
But I moved to South Floridafrom New York and I knew that
the place that I lived in hadthis Jewish connection and my
grandmother from New York wouldcome to Miami during the
wintertime and I knew she wasn'tthe type to lie on the beach

(08:52):
and slap herself with coconutoil.
She was very culturallyconnected and I was trying to
figure out what was that, whydid she come?
And so that unfolded in thisamazing story of music and shows
and and these connections withpeople and their culture,
basically creating a shuttlebyetl by the sea, a little town,

(09:13):
little Jewish village by thesea, and that was the impetus in
creating my first documentaryfilm.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
That's incredible.
We mentioned knowing David Holt, both of us.
Great musician and storytellerof western North Carolina Moved
here from California when he wasyoung and had much the same
impression that you did.
He musically took his love ofthe area back to the roots of

(09:45):
Appalachian music and I canimagine that you and him working
together, he probably turns youon to some of his connections
that you went and got, gotstories from, oh yeah, but david
holt is an amazingpreservationist.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Um, the stories that he could tell, the connections
that he had with the music, um,I've leaned on him for so many
years and, uh, the last filmthat I made about appalachian
history, the, a great americantapestry, the many strands of
mountain music, he was the keybecause I always thought
mountain music was white music,that's what everyone was telling

(10:18):
me.
But he made it clear to me thatI needed to dig a whole lot
deeper and it turns out theAfrican-American connection, the
British Isles connection, theindigenous connection.
That's what makes our music sobeautiful, is it's a blended
tradition.
A blend, yeah, and that's whatmakes our music so beautiful is
it's a blended blend.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah, yeah and that, and that's what he taught me and
that that was such aninvaluable lesson he and uh,
rihanna giddens, uh, I think,are two of the people who have
really held on to that, thatculture, and passed it along in
their musical abilities oh yeah,yeah, rhiannon Giddens is
amazing.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
She's my favorite musician Mine too.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Mine too.
Well, back to Color Beyond theLines.
That premieres a week fromtomorrow night At the Bo Thomas
Arena 7 o'clock.
Do we need?
Is this a ticketed event?

Speaker 3 (11:08):
It is a ticketed event and we do anticipate it
will be sold out.
So we highly recommend thatpeople order their tickets
online now, and you can do thatby going to our website,
savecultureorg S-A-V-Ecultureorg, and you can pick up
your tickets and the program'sgoing to be great.
There's going to be some musicstarted off, we're going to show

(11:31):
the film and then we'll havesome discussion by some of the
black leaders in the filmafterwards so we can have that
dialogue, and then the BlackHistory Research Group will have
some refreshments in the lobbyafterwards so people can get
more acquainted with ourorganizations the Center for
Cultural Preservation, them buya thousand or two DVDs and all

(11:53):
that and this film was madepossible through the Community
Foundation.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yes, the Community Foundation was an integral part
of funding this program.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
And then your organization is the Center for
Cultural Preservation.
Is that right?
Is that its own nonprofit?
It's a nonprofit organization.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
We've been at this now for 20-plus years.
50-plus films, 500-plus oralhistories, lots of public
programs, and there's just somuch.
You know, there's so muchcultural.
There's gold in these Lar Hills.
And so the more I dig, the moreI find, that's incredible.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
But the thing going back to you said, the most
surprising thing you found fromthe film was there when you were
talking about the integrationwas they were not.
That was something that wasslow to be embraced because of
their own history and their richeducation that they had within

(12:58):
their own community.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Yeah, we've been able to document.
You know that the fight forquality education goes back to
the 1870s.
Because people understood to betruly free, they had to have an
education and so they createdthese black schools and churches
and homes outside.
Eventually there was formalinstitutions.

(13:19):
There was in the 1920s I thinkthere was seven or eight black
schools that got consolidateddown to three and then finally,
in 1951, it was just the NinthAvenue School and although they
had poor quality books, thefacilities weren't top notch.
They borrowed a gym that youknow, the leftover gym from

(13:40):
Hendersonville High.
It was taught by people wholook like them, who understood
what they went through, becauseour black community faced
tremendous discrimination.
You know black and whitefountains.
You had to go up to theCarolina Theater.
You know the blacks had to situpstairs.
You had to go out back to getfood from the restaurant.

(14:00):
So when integration hit it tooka lot of courage for the black
community, for black students tosit in a white classroom, and
you know we have a small blackcommunity, so it might be two or
three black students with 30white students and that took a
lot to go through that.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Gosh.
I'd like to talk about this fora lot longer than we have time
to David Gosh.
I'd like to talk about this fora lot longer than we have time
to David.
Thank you so much for creatingthis documentary that's called
Color Beyond the Lines.
It premieres at 7 o'clockSaturday night, june 21st, a
week from tomorrow night atThomas Wolfe Auditorium at Blue
Ridge Community College.
It's presented by the Centerfor Cultural Preservation and,

(14:48):
david, we've got a certificateor two uh for you.
Noah's got to uh say thank youabsolutely.
Again, thank you for what thework you're doing in the
community and join us uh, eachfriday morning at 8 45 as we
salute another george realestate group hometown hero.
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