May 12, 2025 • 52 mins
In this episode, I sit down with my oldest brother Blake for a conversation that’s equal parts hilarious and humbling. We walk through the rise and fall of our business Swello—how we bootstrapped it from late-night ad gigs into a full-blown agency with 20+ employees… and how it all came crashing down.
This isn’t just a story about business. It’s about losing a piece of your identity, dealing with depression and anxiety, and rebuilding your confidence one rope toss at a time. Blake opens up about the hardest day of his life—shutting down the company—and the years he spent afterward trying to figure out who he was without it.
Now? He’s found passion again in an unexpected place: team roping. And it’s brought him back to life.
What You’ll Learn:
- Why failing publicly might be the greatest teacher you’ll ever have
- How passion projects can save your mental health
- What cowboy culture can teach us about discipline, brotherhood, and working with your hands
- The importance of trying new things (even when you suck at them)
- A reminder that no matter how lost you feel, it’s never too late to find your fire again
This one’s raw. It’s real. It’s full of bad jokes, cowboy hats, and a few lessons you won’t find in a business book.
Keep getting after it.
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Brett (00:00):
Okay, what's recording?
There we go.
Okay, I forgot to do, do NotDisturb.
Maybe a little bit Should Itake off my glasses.
Blake (00:08):
So there's not a no flare .
I can't see, it's fine.
No, put it back on, dude, wereally want no glasses.
I wear them all the time.
Alright, Very nice, alright.
Game on.
Game on.
Very nice, all right game on.
Brett (00:31):
Welcome to the show, dude .
Thank you, it's about time,it's uh it's been a minute
listen, this is um.
I've had drew on a couple timesyeah and we've tried scheduling
something.
This is my second brother notmy second brother, but he's my
oldest brother.
I'm the first brother he everhad.
I've talked about you a lot onthis podcast the swellow and all
that stuff, so well, we have alot to talk about.
(00:53):
We have a lot and I'm excited.
Blake (00:55):
Yeah, uh, also, I think to kick this episode off and the
hot topic for today.
Yeah, I wanted us to match, soI brought you a gift.
No, way.
Okay, so I figured we got to dotoday's episode in cowboy hats.
Brett (01:12):
That's the only way to do it.
All right, I feel like a realdeal.
Blake (01:17):
Yeah, look at that, you look really good.
A little hat tip.
Brett (01:21):
Should we try talking accents the whole time?
Whatever?
Probably not.
Whatever gets people?
Blake (01:26):
going, Also sponsored by Element.
Brett (01:28):
This is new.
We're not actually, but soonI'm an ultra marathoner.
Blake (01:36):
Have you ever drank one of these?
You obviously have, but thepeople watching this.
Yeah, they're very good, butthey're also terrible at the
same time.
Brett (01:44):
It's like you're drinking flavored salt, that's really
it's like going to the beachyeah sweet salt, getting
something a little sweet inthere.
I like it yeah, oceanside man,yeah, good stuff.
But seriously, thanks forcoming on, I'm excited I'm I'm
stoked to be here.
Blake (02:00):
Yeah, I think brett's invited me 20 times and I
finally said to hell with it,let's do this.
Let's do it so but if we'redoing it, we're doing it in
cowboy.
Cowboy hats that's right.
I feel like that's how daddydoes it now, do you?
Brett (02:15):
want me to edit that out or no?
Blake (02:16):
no, I want that in there I want people to know I'm daddy
he's dead.
Brett (02:21):
Do some more asmr, that's good.
Blake (02:22):
No, no, that's viral.
That's all you get but sweetdude.
Brett (02:26):
Yeah, I mean we just came back from your son um making it
to almost the championship,sick baseball little little
league.
Blake (02:32):
He's seven years old.
The red hawks.
The red hawks.
We did cardboard cutouts of hisface.
He loved every second of it.
It was legit.
And uh threw him on ourshoulders when you came out.
Brett (02:43):
They won in the fifth inning and he hit the game
winning run he did and I'm veryproud that's my retirement plan,
so I have high hopes for himnorman, if you're listening to
this, in the future, you betterget your act together yeah,
don't let me down, but we loveyou so much don't let daddy down
well, dude, I um, I'm mostexcited about this because
(03:03):
there's a lot that's gone onwith you over the past 10 years.
Yeah, seven years, we'll saySure, with Swellow and all that
stuff, and now, you know, stillin marketing, but doing other
things?
Yeah, getting new hobbies whichI'm all excited to talk about,
oh, yeah.
But let's go back to when I wasup in Rexburg, okay, and you
(03:24):
were starting to get some sidejobs for advertising.
Um that was the beginning of theswallow.
It was what you were.
Employee number one baby.
That's right.
Yeah, that's all I'll sayNevermind, I won't.
I won't go that way.
Um, but yeah, that's true.
Um, I remember it was like it.
It was cool because I was up incollege I was working at Frozen
(03:46):
Dessert Supplies, Great place.
Blake (03:49):
Represent, if you're listening.
Brett (03:51):
Yeah.
Blake (03:51):
FDS for life.
Brett (03:52):
Saw you guys made it to Idaho's top 10 places to work
again Congrats.
Amazing, it's pretty good.
Blake (03:59):
This is actually a pretty good flavor.
Brett (04:01):
Lime, not bad.
But yeah, that was cool becauseI was in college and I remember
you called me and you're like,hey, listen, I got this idea
like just can you run ads?
I was like I don't know, I canprobably figure it out yeah and
I started doing a couple for um,I think it was a dentistry and
a few other things.
Um, but we'd talk every nightand we'd try and build
(04:22):
businesses together.
Um, hello stevie, I think itwas our first one.
Yeah, tell, tell people abouthello Stevie.
What was that?
Blake (04:30):
Well, yeah, I guess, to back up Brett and I have tried
building six businesses, fivebusinesses together.
Brett (04:38):
Yeah.
Blake (04:39):
And yeah, one of them was a brand which was actually a
pretty sick clothing brand.
I think the Instagram is stillaround if you want to go check
it out.
Yeah, but it's called HelloStevie and we built, we designed
like surf and skate styledesigns and we were using like a
third party, like a printful, Ithink is what it was called.
Yeah, printful To print ondemand and we got like some good
(05:02):
orders.
We got some people prettystoked on them.
Print on demand and we got somegood orders.
We got some people prettystoked on them.
My favorite design was thecheese grater that says, I think
it said, stay shredded or getshredded.
Yeah that was good.
That was a popular print.
I don't know.
We did a lot of cheese themes.
Actually there's another cheesetriangle skateboarding doing
the hang loose sign.
That was good.
So a lot of cheese.
Yeah, it was fun.
Yeah, the hang loose sign, thatwas good.
So a lot of cheese, yeah.
Brett (05:26):
It was fun, though Maybe that's why it didn't take off
Too much cheese.
Yeah, everyone's like what isHello.
Blake (05:29):
Stevie.
Why do they eat cheese, HelloStevie?
Why do they like cheese so much?
Brett (05:32):
We're secretly rats.
But I mean it's cool because,like we have done a lot of stuff
like that together.
Yeah, an entrepreneurial bonein your body, yeah, um, where'd
that come from?
Because I've always seen yougrinding like I don't know all
the time.
Blake (05:49):
I don't know I, I just like working hard yeah you know,
and, and I have adhd?
I think not, not.
Uh, no, doctors ever said that,but I've said that.
So that raw cells, it makessense working hard and a little
bit of distraction, I get downsome rabbit holes, and usually
that ends up with me being likethat's an idea that could be a
(06:10):
business and yeah I don't knowwe we started all those like we
worked at fds.
Brett (06:16):
Yeah did you build that thing?
I mean, that's what was coolabout it.
Blake (06:18):
We literally built an office up in rexburg, like yeah,
with which I didn't know how todo either.
Brett (06:24):
Right, you guys were in like yeah, you were in a
warehouse.
Blake (06:26):
Like a small office, right, yeah.
And then we built out awarehouse and hired a bunch of
team members, and so I mean,like I don't know, I've just I
felt like I've always been abuilder, yeah, somebody that
likes to go above and beyondwhat the status quo is and push
myself.
And now, granted, I've had thatand I would say I have failed
(06:50):
150 times, but I mean it's partof it.
It is part of it and I I enjoythat sometimes.
Sometimes, those failures stinga little bit more than others.
But yeah.
I don't know.
I honestly don't know wherethat came from.
Like we didn't grow up withentrepreneur parents.
Yeah, you know we didn't.
(07:11):
Like I don't know.
Our grandpa was a farmer, whichis an entrepreneur.
Maybe that came from that.
Brett (07:17):
but I think it really is the hard work thing, cause like
same thing with me, like I'venever had, you know,
entrepreneur parents.
We came from the same ones,yeah, but I've always wanted to
work hard.
Maybe that's true.
We never know.
You're a lot better looking thanme.
Well, I don't know about that.
I can't rock a cowboy hat asgood as you.
I don't know.
It's true, we'll let theviewers decide.
Yeah, kind of looks like asombrero on me.
(07:39):
I like it, though.
Like it, though, that was amustache, and the mustache, yeah
, and call you the cuero, Ithink.
Yeah, nacho, yeah, but no, dude, I think it's cool.
And um, back to this, the story, the ads.
Um, what was like because Idon't think I've actually
actually asked you this likewhat was the thought process of,
hey, I'm gonna start a businessI don't know, scary well, and
(08:03):
you had a kid at the time.
Blake (08:04):
Yeah, yeah, I had a kid.
There were a couple things Likeone.
I've gotten laid off one job,my entire career and the job
that let me go.
I remember going home to mywife and kids or kid because we
only had one at the time andjust just feeling like I never
(08:25):
want to feel that again.
Yeah, so that was like a bigdriver for me to be like, hey,
I'm going to be my ownentrepreneur.
And then, at the same time thatthat was happening, I was
starting to collaborate andconsult and work with all these
other businesses.
I think at the time I wasworking with like four different
businesses and one of thepeople that we were working with
we hired an agency to go outand do facebook ads and he spent
(08:48):
like 8 500, which to me at thetime was like crazy like the
numbers I deal with now, that'swe literally spend that it's
like a day in like half a day,yeah, so it's like.
But I remember he spent 8 500and he had zero results and I
remember being like leadgeneration is that what?
He had zero results.
And I remember being like Leadgeneration.
Brett (09:06):
Is that what it was?
No, no, this was e-commerce.
Oh, okay.
Blake (09:08):
Facebook ads and e-com were just kind of taken off and
this guy's like, oh, we'll crushit.
And he kept saying we'll crushit, crush it, crush it, which
like drove me nuts.
And this one guy that I washelping with, he like maxed out
his credit cards to run theseads and pay this guy and I
remember being like I could dothat better.
(09:28):
Like.
I know enough about websites, Iknow enough about advertising
and like creating content, and Iwas like I think I could do
that better than these schmucksthat I'd been dealing with and
so that kind of like evolvedwith me, like pushing myself a
little bit further to learnthose things and start doing it
in some of those side gigs.
(09:50):
And then, and then I got toenough like I think at the time
I was doing like I don't know 14, $15,000 a month in revenue and
it was like I'm crushing it.
Brett (10:01):
I'm like I could do this.
Blake (10:02):
And then that kind of started to swallow.
Brett (10:06):
Well, I remember like I had to do the same thing Watch
YouTube videos, yeah, do allthat kind of stuff.
Asked you how to do it.
And then I remember like onetime you called me and you're
like, if we're going to do thisthing, like I know we could I
think you had two or threeclients at the time yeah, like
if we're gonna do this thing,you got to move down arizona and
it was like a no-brainer for mebecause all my rexburg
(10:26):
experiences I was like, okay,I'm coming down.
It was like two weeks lateryou're like, hey, I'm here, I'm
back.
Blake (10:32):
And then we started building out the office, which
was wild, but I'll I'll neverforget that brett looking over
at you and we just got theselike standing desks from costco
hot bucks, whatever per desk,and we were like this is so sick
.
We're setting it all up, we,you know.
First thing I think we did, weput lights up, Dude.
(10:53):
That was such a fun experience.
Brett (10:56):
It was so fun the whole.
Thing the whole, thing, thewhole journey was like so fun,
but pretty hard.
It was hard but it was fun.
It was a lot of fun yeah but Imean, yeah, tell me about the
swallow journey, like so nowwe're in arizona, we're building
out this office.
Um, we expanded a lot.
It took three years to do that,but like we grew a team yeah,
(11:17):
was it 23 people I don't know, Ican't remember yeah, something
like that, but it's just startedwith, if you count all the
interns, you count all thethat's just started with.
Blake (11:23):
If you count all the interns, you count all the
that's fair Our own internalpeople.
You count all the people weoutsourced Like.
I have no idea what that endedup being.
Brett (11:32):
It's pretty crazy though.
Blake (11:34):
Yeah, I mean it went from a few small clients to like
kind of up leveling our clientsover time.
Yeah, the time I brought in abusiness partner as well and
that first year we were up tolike seven or eight people yeah
and a little like that.
I wish people could see this.
(11:54):
I wish you had a picture of it,maybe I can add them.
Yeah, add a picture people needto see our first warehouse, but
our first office.
But it was like somebody builta loft in like a really nice
office, but there's like a loftwhere there's like rafters and
it was a big open space and thena closet and then a random
closet that we like put we putlike a tv and couching for some
(12:15):
reason so good yeah, like we, we, we grew out of that pretty
fast, we.
And then I remember, um, we weregoing around running around
with a commercial real estateguy and looking at different
spots, and we found this onespot that was like such a deal
was huge.
Yeah, all the desks in it, allthe furniture in it had a garage
(12:37):
and yeah, had a big old baydoor and in a garage and I
remember um coming back to youguys after we had signed it and
being like, like we like circledup.
You remember this.
I remember um coming back toyou guys after we had signed it
and being like, like we likecircled up.
You remember I remember, dude,it felt like we were doing
something huge oh, it just feltit was like man, we're freaking
doing it and at the time, wewere growing like yeah, really
really fast, and we wereinvesting a lot of money and
(12:58):
spending a lot of money, andthat was that was.
You know, I think if, lookingback, like you know, do you wish
that we were a little morecautious, because who knows what
happened?
But we were growing andstarting to grow and working to
grow.
Yeah, I remember sitting aroundbeing like guys, we just got
this office, we're doing this,and it just felt crazy.
Brett (13:19):
Yeah, it was nuts Just, and I remember when we moved in
that was like one of the mostfun days, because we were like
this is our office.
This is gonna be sick.
Yeah, and they left all thedesks in there, right?
yeah, they left everything andthey're all nice standing desks
and, excuse me, we had a largeconference room and yeah a bunch
of other was a cool setup I doremember that, like when we
(13:41):
first walked in there and likedrew and I set up our stuff in
the corner, um, like startingthe ads team branding, all those
guys were behind us and I justremember like being at that size
of a desk and I was like thisis crazy.
Blake (13:53):
Like we're moving up.
Look at this.
Brett (13:55):
And I was like it was cool Cause I was.
You know, what was cool at thetime was like hey, you took a
chance on me cause I didn't knowhow to do any of that stuff.
Like you're like learn how todo it, come down here and start
building this thing out.
And it was cool to see like theactual results help the clients
out, and I mean we had somedifficult ones.
Blake (14:15):
But yeah, we learned the hard way.
I know it's interesting.
Brett (14:20):
Like, uh, just do your research, like we were so
focused on.
Like let's just close the deals, yeah.
Like let's get anyone we canwhich makes sense, startup
mentality like to who you can,yeah.
But I think that's how youlearn a lot of hard lessons.
Blake (14:34):
So absolutely.
But you know what's cool aboutworking with you.
I could always trust that youwould learn what you needed to
do to be successful and it waslike it means a lot like you and
drew.
It's like anytime we got bigclients, I was always like
they've got them, yeah, you know, and like I just trusted you to
(14:55):
handle it and most firstsuccesses came from that, you
know, I mean it was cool, it wasreally cool.
Brett (15:00):
Um, I mean, I remember, I don't know, we probably can say
belong designs, designs likethose guys.
Blake (15:06):
Oh, they're OG.
They're like yeah, my favoritestory, but check them out.
There's our plug.
Brett (15:10):
Yeah, belong Designs.
They're sweet, but that wascool, because they started like
tiny and now they're huge, likeI don't think we helped them get
to that max level, but wedefinitely helped them get
started.
It was just cool doing thattogether.
Blake (15:24):
Yeah, I met him at a trade show in Colorado, hung out
for a little bit.
We actually worked with himmultiple times over a few years
too.
Brett (15:34):
Yeah, I remember that After.
Swallow closed down.
They were still using us.
Maybe that's something we couldtalk about.
Is what happened?
How come we're not doingSwallow anymore.
Blake (15:48):
Kind of depends on who you ask.
Yeah Well, let's let everybodyhas their own perspective,
everyone has their own story onthis, but ultimately for me it
came down to trusting the wrongpeople and, alongside that, like
I don't know, not knowingenough about like a proper
(16:14):
growth strategy, you know, andand how to cashflow a business
to pay for that growth, yeah,like I wasn't in the finances, I
wasn't paying attention, youknow, I didn't.
I didn't really even know whata PNL was.
I didn't know you know how to,how to categorize those losses
(16:34):
like that.
That it wasn't at the time, itwasn't even my responsibility,
you know what.
I mean, um, I was all sales, Iwas all product and our, which
was our, services.
But, yeah, so not, not reallyhaving my pulse or the pulse or
finger on that, not and thentrusting someone that I thought
I could trust, yeah, um, whoultimately made the final call
(16:57):
to to close our business, and soI don't know we essentially
what had had happened is we hadoverinvested or over grew our
team and you know we weren't, weweren't profitable, we were
close, we were working on somereally big clients, like really
big Dude, I remember that that'ssome very exciting brands to be
(17:18):
working with.
And and the, the future lookedreally, really solid.
Um, and then, within a few days, a couple people that owned
majority equity in that businessyeah made the call to to shut
it down, and then it was justgone.
Brett (17:32):
Yeah which sucks because it's also like during covid,
when all this happened duringcovid, and so it's just yeah,
storm after storm, because youknow we all had a.
I remember the last day, thatwas one of the worst, that was
tough.
Blake (17:47):
Yeah.
Um yeah, the day it happened mywife was out of town.
I called her, said hey, we'reclosing down the business, which
was crazy.
Brett (17:59):
Yeah.
Blake (18:00):
It was crazy to do it that way within days.
Right, it didn't even take achance to try and like trim
expenses or kind of redesignlike our business structure.
Brett (18:09):
I remember there was pricing.
Blake (18:11):
There were so many levers we could have, we could have
pulled on, but instead it wasjust like boom sat down one day
we're done.
Called my wife.
Hey, honey, we're done.
Brett (18:22):
Yeah.
Blake (18:25):
You and Drew came over, sat you guys down, said hey, I
want to let you know we're goingto be done, we're closing
tomorrow.
Letting everyone know yeah andthen I didn't sleep that night,
woke up the next day crying likea baby dude, that was a tough
conversation.
I remember that one that I meanthe whole thing.
I just felt like I let everyonedown, including so many people
(18:46):
that I trusted, who trusted meyou know, not just my brothers,
not just but like other peoplethat I really, really loved and
and loved working with.
Um, yeah, I mean, I'll neverforget that day.
Took me years Still workingthrough that day, to be honest.
We let everyone know.
(19:08):
Everyone was so gracious andloving to me which was like I
was ready to just take thepunches on the way out.
I was so ready for it, but,yeah, everyone gave me a lot of
love that day.
Brett (19:29):
I think it comes down to the way that you led the team.
It was, hey, we're going tohave fun, but we're also going
to work super hard.
That's the whole point of thisthing.
And then you would always makesure to take care of everyone,
make sure they're good to go.
Yeah, you check in on them Likeyou had personal relationships
(19:49):
with everybody, and I think also, like when you sign up for a
startup, that's always a risk.
But yeah, I mean, it doesn'tmake it easier, like I'm sure,
like feeling that internal, likeman.
Blake (20:07):
I let a lot of people down.
Um, it messed me up, you know,and I think most of it just came
down to me being so grateful tothe people that trusted and
joined our team ended up gettingscrewed over and like it it
still ended really well, like Imean, we still had enough money
to run a payroll, and like I gotto give my former business
partner credit, like he handleda lot of that, and you know,
(20:28):
it's still like it wasn't likewe just actually screwed people
over, but just letting peopledown.
Like I'll just never forgetthat, you know.
And then, not not just thatthat same day I called all of
our clients, which was like Idon't even remember at the time,
but it was high.
It was above 50 clients.
Brett (20:50):
Yeah, we had a ton.
Blake (20:51):
And I called every single one of them that day and let
them know, hey, we're workingthrough this.
You know, if there were like we, you know, had to make some
things right with some of theclients work through those, I
tried to like like, hey, westill have people that work for
us.
They could freelance for youand try to like make those
connections.
But yeah, I mean I've I'venever had been so beat up in one
(21:16):
day.
Brett (21:17):
It's tough it's brutal, it's hard to watch, honestly,
because, like that was I mean,you have kids, but that was one
of your babies yeah and it waslike I just remember.
We spent hours and hours like Islept at the office do you
remember when we pulled anall-nighter, we drank like I
don't know 12 energy drinks.
Oh my gosh yeah like I don'tknow if drew was there, but like
(21:38):
we were grinding.
Blake (21:40):
That was when we were in the loft one yeah, I sold a
twenty thousand dollar websiteand in two days I built it yeah,
and I didn't leave the officethat's crazy, like there is all
sorts of stuff that we weredoing like that, you know, and
then doing sales calls, doingprojects, doing like dude the
amount of time we all investedin that for it to just be gone
(22:01):
in minutes.
That was probably the hardestpart.
Brett (22:04):
You know gave almost four years of our lives just
grinding yeah so I mean it isyeah, like four years, but like
I mean, we learned so manylessons around that time and
this is a tough question to ask,because I think you probably
need some time to think about.
But, like, do you have, like,what was your biggest lesson you
(22:27):
learned during this event?
Or, um, just a couple of thingsthat like I don't know.
You look back and you're like,yeah, I'm glad that I learned
this from that experience, likeI'm better for it because of it.
Blake (22:38):
Yeah, I don't know, that's a.
That's a really tough question,cause there were so many things
that I learned, yeah, likebusiness, business wise,
business acumen wise.
Yeah, all the way to likeleadership wise to, you know,
like my own skill sets, like Iwas doing a lot of the services
(23:00):
still you know, even when I likeI'd sell a web, I'd sell a
website and I go build a website, or I'd sell a photo shoot and
I direct a photo shoot, like andI'm not even a photographer, so
like there were so many thingsthat I that I learned skillset
wise, but I don't know.
I do not know how to answerthat.
Brett (23:20):
That's fair.
That's okay.
It's a hard question.
Blake (23:23):
It's just a million little things into one big
experience that has ultimatelymade me who I am today and you
know, uh, I'm really gratefulfor those, like all those
experiences would you say, doingit made you a better person 100
, yeah, 100, that's itchallenged me at the end.
(23:46):
You especially the way it wentdown.
Here's the biggest thing.
I put so much time into thatand it was like another baby of
mine, but it also was mypersonality.
Brett (24:02):
It's kind of true.
There's a lot of that inbusiness.
Blake (24:06):
The swag the merch, we had All the skateboards on the
wall dude All of our culture,all the work I put into it.
It was like a piece of me andthat piece died that day Like
actually died.
I felt it die and I don't know.
It took me a long time to comeout of that and figure out who I
(24:33):
, who I am, yeah, um, and what Iwant you know for my life, my
family, my career, for fun, likeit like yeah, I mean I've seen
that spark come back though, andI think, a lot of it's like
yeah, there you go.
Brett (24:45):
Um, let's talk about how you found that.
Okay, let's get into how youfound that.
Okay, let's get into thisjourney a little bit, okay,
because I think, yeah, it's likehow long has it been?
Blake (24:55):
Three, years, four years it might be.
Uh, I think it was 20, 2020 or2021.
Yeah, 2021.
Brett (25:05):
It's been at least four years, yeah, 2021.
It's been at least four years,yeah.
And I mean, like I remember umthat time cause, like it was
just really difficult foreveryone.
But um, like four years is along time to go through a period
where you're like I don't knowreally who I am, like I lost
this.
You know personality, that I'minvested in this business, um,
(25:25):
especially as a 30 year old,yeah, that's tough, that's crazy
.
Blake (25:29):
Having like four kids, being 30 years old and being
like who am.
Brett (25:33):
I yeah.
Blake (25:34):
That's, that's tough.
Brett (25:36):
I mean, I feel like everyone runs through that at
some point, but, um, I still amtrying to figure out who I am.
That's why I'm running so much.
It's ridiculous, yeah, but, um,tell me about that.
But tell me about that, how'dyou find it?
Blake (25:47):
Yeah, no, it's the fun part, so I don't know Like.
I'm still figuring myself out.
Yeah.
Brett (25:56):
Straight, I have no problem admitting that.
Blake (25:58):
I have no problem saying that, but like coming out of
Swallow.
Yeah, you know, I did someconsulting jobs.
I went and worked in amarketing law firm which don't
do that, don't?
Brett (26:11):
recommend it.
I remember those stories.
Those are good too.
Blake (26:13):
Rough industry, really rough industry, but good
learning experiences there too.
And then now I work at awallpaper company wall blush TM.
It's legit, Go check them out.
Yeah, it is sick.
If you need any wallpaper, I'llhook you up, Just slide in my
DMs wannabecowboy on TikTok.
Yes, so like my career is kindof like I've gone through these
(26:34):
steps, I'm starting to findwhere I'm at.
I'm at such a great placecareer-wise.
Yeah, I work with amazingpeople.
I really enjoy what I do, butthere's still like that piece of
me.
I went through anxiety.
I went through anxiety.
I went through depression.
Like in the last four yearsI've gained some weight in all
the right places, ladies, but Imean seriously.
(26:57):
I went through that.
And you know, like, in all that,like I'm trying all these
different things, yeah, like Iwas like really into wake
surfing for a bit my buddies allhad wake surfing boats, and
before I was like really intomountain surfing for a bit, my
buddies all had wake surfingboats, and before I was like
really into mountain biking.
I was like trying to get backinto that and I'm like I'm gonna
be this person and that person.
You know, I'm like trying allthese hobbies and things and
(27:18):
like nothing stuck and I wasfreaking miserable, yeah, um,
and then the beginning of thisyear this is like all very
recent I set a goal for myself,so I'm gonna learn how to team
rope that's so cool.
Brett (27:32):
How come you got to explain the back?
Blake (27:34):
all right, okay, okay, and I'm jumping around here a
bunch, so this might be yourleast watched episode no, it's
fine, it'll be good, come on orlisten to this podcast right.
Brett (27:44):
I mean, yeah, it's both Okay, both of them All right,
we're stepping it up Cool cool.
Blake (27:48):
So, anyways in well, first off, we come from farmers.
Yeah, Riggs Road here inArizona that's our mom's maiden
name, where Riggs is.
You know old farmers.
Our great grandpa was a WorldSeries champion, team roper yeah
, one of my heroes, you know.
(28:09):
So, like we grew up going up toour cabin or going out to his
place and riding horses, Ialways thought I was a cowboy
Like there's a picture of mewearing checkered slip-on vans
on the back of a horse with acowboy hat, like posing real
sexy somewhere.
That's pretty sick.
See if I can get that one foryour podcast as well.
Brett (28:26):
I'll put up two pictures, one of that and then one of me
and Papa.
Yeah, we'll put them up, yeah.
Blake (28:31):
Rip.
Brett (28:32):
You miss Papa.
Rest in peace.
Put that up.
Put that up.
Blake (28:35):
Yeah, so we grew up with that.
But in junior high a guy in ourneighborhood his name is Dave
Hastings, another hero of minecalled me up and was like hey, I
need some help around my, myproperty, and he owned a big
roping arena, a big house.
Um, you know, he had some teamroping horses him and his boys
are incredible ropers I was justabout to ask, oh, excuse me
(28:59):
there you go.
I hit some of this you can edit.
Edit that, all right, thecoffee no, it's, it's all in
here.
Brett (29:06):
This is uh.
Okay, it's a raw podcast.
Blake (29:08):
Yeah, this is great, we do raw tm.
So anyways, he called me up, Iwent over there, started
shoveling horse crap, yeah,driving his dummy around.
You know I learned a lot aboutroping.
Actually, you know I go run thechutes, yeah, um, run the
steers up exercise the horsesI'd exercise the horse, which
(29:28):
was a blast.
I get on a quad, chase themaround with a uh whip.
You know there's so many timesthey came close to like kicking
me too and stuff was.
Brett (29:36):
It was awesome I learned all these things.
Oh, it's great.
Blake (29:38):
Knock you out but you know that then I like did a lot
of the horse care and yeah,washing them and picking their
feet and saddling them and Idon't know, just all the cowboy
stuff, and so so that was my job.
Like I did that in junior high.
There's a little bit of a gapwhere I stopped and then all
through high school until I was18.
Like I was out there doing thatthree times a week and I
remember that I always thoughtit was cool, cause I was like I
(30:01):
don't know.
Brett (30:01):
I always just looked up to you during those times, cause
you'd leave super early, right,you'd get there pretty early.
Blake (30:06):
Well, it depends, yeah, like one time I got there at 3
am to castrate steers.
Oh, there you go.
Right before high school?
I'll never forget that.
Brett (30:12):
What was that like?
Blake (30:13):
Oh, that was sick.
Castrating steers was so fun,is that?
Brett (30:16):
the rubber band thing.
No, they rope Straight up.
Blake (30:32):
Dude, they rope the head, rope the legs, and then Dave
Hastings would come up with arazor blade knife.
No way, slice them out and thenput a freaking rubber band on
it so it wouldn't bleed out.
That's real cowboy stuff I'llnever forget.
Actually, he sliced the tip ofa I don't know if I can say this
on your podcast, you can Of itsnutsack and threw it at me and
said there's your coin purse,blake.
No, didn't keep it.
Brett (30:46):
You should have, I should have.
Blake (30:47):
I wish this day I would have.
But yeah, those were the kindsof lessons I was learning.
So you know we talked abouthard work.
Like that, for me, was where Ilearned to work hard, like 115
degrees and I'm out therepicking weeds, working his
garden, you know, taking care ofthe horses like such hard work
and you know I mean that's whydave's one of my heroes is.
(31:10):
He taught me how to bust my buttand enjoy doing it, you know, I
mean like I look back at thatexperience and I didn't hate it,
like I enjoyed putting mycowboy hat on and sweating.
Brett (31:21):
You'd leave every day with like a gallon like cooler,
like one of those igloo thingsyeah, a gallon of water.
And I always remember I waslike that's so much, there's no
way he like drinks the wholething.
But now I do the same, but like, yeah, insane, I always thought
that was like the coolest thingfor some reason as a kid the
water you've always liked water.
Yeah, but you said a goodexample.
Like you wake up, you get upand like put your boots on.
(31:42):
Like you said, go to work Iloved it.
Blake (31:44):
It's great so so, yeah, that, why, like for me, I'm like
thinking about this next yearand what I want to do and it
just was kind of calling to meI'm like I'm gonna learn how to
rope, I'm gonna learn how toteam rope and I'm my goal still
is, my goal this year is tobuckle Really, to go to like a
jackpot or I probably won't godo rodeo, but like a local
(32:06):
jackpot where they've got.
You know, usually they'll havelike a saddle, a breast collar,
some cash buckles, but I want aplace.
Brett (32:14):
I'll get myself my buckle so well, whenever that is, tell
me and I'll come down hell yeahum, yeah, let's talk about that
for a second, because one thingthat I don't know I notice a
lot of people deal with,including myself, is when
they're in a spot where they'relike they feel lost in a way and
they're trying to explorehobbies, kind of like you were
Like I'm going to do wakesurfing on a mountain bike, and
(32:38):
a lot of fear comes with it.
It's like I'm going to trysomething new.
I'm going to look like abeginner, I might look like an
idiot, but I'm willing to try it.
Blake (32:52):
Did you um, did you feel that?
Brett (32:52):
no, really, yeah, hmm you're just, I'm going in like I
mean, what's the worst that'sgonna happen?
Blake (32:55):
yeah, that's like I don't have those kinds of fears.
I don't care how stupid I lookyeah like.
I mean, I'm the kid at thebeach.
That's like building a digginga hole.
I'm 35 years old.
Like I don't care, I'm doinggood at it, though.
Brett (33:07):
Yeah, yeah.
Blake (33:08):
So, like I don't know, I was just like I'm going to do it
, I'm going to try it, like Ireally feel excited about it.
Yeah, you know.
And so found a place and wentto it and started roping a
bucket, getting the fundamentalsdown.
You know, it was like I don'tknow, three months before I got
(33:31):
even on a horse really, actuallythat long.
Yeah, we're just roping on theground and they're walking me
through all sorts of stuff that,like I already knew because
I've been around team ropers mywhole life.
Um, but like every time I wentI was like, oh, that was fun,
that was fun.
Then I'd go home and I'dpractice on my dummy and like
work on my like work on my, myfundamentals, work on what I was
learning.
And yeah, now we're here todayand I'm roping lives to yours
(33:54):
and you bought a horse and Ibought a horse.
So this is like, what is it?
It's May, yeah, it's like fivemonths from being like I'm going
to get a buckle to like, yeah,now I own a horse.
His name is Mickey, he's 20years old, he's the perfect
horse they call him.
I still need to meet him.
Oh, you got to meet him.
(34:14):
But yeah, they say he hastraining wheels.
No, I don't know what thatmeans.
But all the guys I rope withwho are actually legit, really
good ropers, out roping everyweekend and winning, I mean
those guys are nuts.
Oh they are nuts.
Brett (34:25):
Oh, they're, they're they are nuts that side of mom's
family, like grandma Karen andall the um man, I can't remember
their last name Reed's, kirby,kirby there, thank you.
Um, all the Kirby's like there.
I remember going to the youknow Christmas party at little
grandma's house and, um, theyall have like massive belt
buckles and I'm like I feelweird showing up here in my
(34:47):
Volcom hoodie, but it was cool,it was cool to see.
So, anyways, you found thoseguys.
Blake (34:52):
Yeah Well, so the story is kind of crazy actually.
So I started doing this, thisclinic.
I was just roping the ground.
I ended up getting on a horselike two or three times during
this time.
But I was starting to getfrustrated in the process, cause
I'm like I want to rope, I wantto rope, I want to get on the
horse, I want to rope a livesteer, I want to you know, or a
dummy even, I just wanted torope on the back of a horse and,
(35:13):
uh, I was talking to my boss.
My boss is like, hey, mybrother-in-law is a big roper.
Like, hmm, I'll meet you outthere, let's go to his place.
So I'm like, okay, you know,like thinking, I thinking I'm
(35:36):
gonna go out there and and runthe shoot.
Well, first off, I go out there.
A guy's incredible, his name isjohn.
He's like ride this horse,super expensive, beautiful head
horse.
Yeah, like he's top notch, likehe's, he's such a smooth,
beautiful horse.
Well, I go out there, get onthe horse and I rope a steer and
turn it.
Never done that in my life.
What does turn it mean?
Like you, you dally the hornand you turn the steer, yeah,
you get across the arena, so thehealer can come in and rope the
heels and then you tie them upand get your time.
(35:57):
That's sick.
So I I rope one that night.
But then the other other side.
I go up to this one guy who itlooks as cowboys.
He gets yeah I go to him likehey yeah so I heard you're a
really good roper.
He's like, yeah, I'm like, yeah,I come from Kirby blood.
I thought it was the coolestthing.
And he goes well, I come fromKirby blood Really.
(36:18):
I'm like, okay, that's weird.
Who's your mom?
Yeah, cammy Kirby Really.
Which is Uncle Ricky's daughter?
Yeah, so he's our cousin.
So I'm like, oh, we're related.
This is crazy.
Brett (36:28):
What the heck dude.
I didn't know that.
So since then, yeah.
Blake (36:31):
And that's who I've been training with.
That's who I bought my horsefrom.
He's actually a performancehorse trainer, yeah, and he's
gotten me all the way to a pointwhere I roped one that night,
which I should not have ropedone, but my adrenaline was so
high and I was committed.
First one, I missed, second one, I got I felt like a million
(36:56):
bucks and that horse did a lotof the work too.
Brett (36:58):
Wait, so they know to chase the steers.
Oh yeah, Horses do.
Blake (37:02):
Yeah, they react to slight pressure.
Huh Between, when you're in thebox and you just put your reins
down a little bit, they'll takeoff, and that that means they
know to get up on a on the steer.
And then, once you catch them,you turn them a little bit and
put your your reins down andthey'll turn like a good horse.
That's broken, train knows.
That's crazy.
I didn't know, and you learn totrust that, because at first I
(37:23):
was not.
I'm like jerking the horsearound um, yeah, like I went
from not being able to rope tobeing able to rope, I wrote I
try to rope once a week, um,sometimes twice.
But you know, I'm training androping every single week and
that's so cool, learning a lotof great things, and my family's
(37:43):
into it now that's been fun tosee actually.
Oh it's, it's so great yeah sogreat that side, but like I
still haven't hit my goal yet,but like just getting in there
and grinding and exploring andmeeting people, like met so many
cool people that are down toearth, just good people, that
(38:04):
are giving me tips and help mealong the way, and it's just
been, it's been a blessingthat's so cool.
Brett (38:08):
So that's so cool.
Yeah, I mean I don't knowactually that much about roping
and like what goes on with it,but neither did I.
It's pretty cool, like it'stough dude, it's tough um last
week I wrote with a guy.
Blake (38:21):
I had that the steer perfectly.
I turn him.
My partner comes up, rolls theheels, comes up to me and he's
cursing.
He's like Blake Blake, histhumb stuck down between the
rope, he almost popped his thumboff.
Brett (38:34):
Oh, that's what happened to uncle Ricky.
Blake (38:36):
Oh, yeah, popped right off.
Oh but he, he ended up beingfine.
But I mean, like you experience, I got kicked in the knee by
steer Like there's two.
Oh yeah.
Brett (38:45):
What's the craziest story that's happened so far, or your
favorite story?
Blake (38:50):
I bulldogged a steer a couple weeks ago with my back
was out.
Bulldogged it, you wrap yourarms around the head and flip it
on its back.
Oh wait.
Brett (38:58):
You sent videos of that.
That's nuts.
That was.
Your back was blown out.
Oh, yeah, my back was out I wassideways and I freaking jumped
on the back of one and flippedit to when your back goes out.
You're walking sideways for along time.
That's actually very impressive.
Give you kudos, thank you.
(39:18):
That's good, but that's cool,man.
I mean, what has that done for,like, your mental health?
Like brought you back tofinding out who you are?
Like make that connection, likewhat was that?
Like I don't know, man, it'sbecause it's always been
something that's in your life.
Like horses, I remember ridingwith papa.
I remember you going to thehastings, um, and like it seems
(39:39):
natural, you're like right backinto it I mean that's what it
feels.
Blake (39:42):
Feels like obviously I never really lived the cowboy
life.
I never really roped and Iwould ride a couple times a year
versus a couple times a week.
Um, mentally I'm the best I'veever been.
Yeah, like, and I'm locked inin my life too, not not just
(40:02):
like it's, it's brought me outof a place like that funk that I
found myself in the last fouryears.
Yeah, it's.
It's like I feel emotional,saying that Cause, like it was
hard.
There were times I was like,screw this, this is too tough.
Yeah, so to be able to say, hey, I'm, I'm feeling really good
in my brain, it's incredible.
(40:24):
But just like the rest of mylife, you know's like I'm out
there, I'm working hard againout in the arena, yeah, and like
doing all that like I love I'mstill going out there and
shoveling shit, which isfreaking awesome.
But then in my work life andlike some of my other passions
(40:44):
and like my likeentrepreneurship's kind of
coming back into my life alittle bit, where I'm working on
some projects again you knowwhether they make me money or
not um, yeah, just findingsomething that I'm passionate
again about, like think I go tobed thinking about roping and
I'm sitting there watchingroping videos.
That's so cool, dude.
Um, you know it's brought meback to to a very good place,
(41:07):
like, like, just finding yourpassion, no matter what it is,
is so, so important.
I think just living your life,you know, in a, in a way that's
driving you Absolutely Like whatit is.
Brett (41:22):
You got to figure out what you want to get after and
then commit to it.
Blake (41:25):
I mean, look, look at your life, dude, like you're a
freaking ultra marathon runnerand you're doing someone you're
doing some crazy.
You're about to go do a crazyone this year.
You know it's like and thatdrives you and all of these
successes on your other side ofyour life, like they're all they
.
Brett (41:41):
They follow, you know, I mean I mean, I think it's like,
I don't know it's.
I just tell ali she always getsannoyed at this, but I'm like
it's a great metaphor for life,because some days are up, some
days are down.
Your body hurts.
You don't want to do it.
Some days are great.
You never really know.
But that's the thing I want, tosee how hard I can push myself.
(42:01):
And I've realized that thoselessons where it's like, okay,
well, this run sucked, this onewas good.
It's the same thing with likemy days, like I'll have good
days, I'll have bad days, but Iknow it'll always end.
Like I know the next day willcome and there's always
something I can like take fromthis day.
Um, but like I mean I foundrunning like three years ago I
(42:24):
would say like right after I wasgetting healed up from being
sick and stuff, and um, I don'tknow it was just like there's
something about that.
It requires discipline that Ilove, and like it's always a
battle with yourself.
So it's like if I can overcomethat, then I can overcome
anything.
I can handle whatever comeslike during the day.
So, um, but to your point aboutlike the passion, like it's,
(42:47):
it's so important to find that.
And like the same thing withthe podcast.
I've noticed days when orphases when, like it's not, like
it's kind of in the backseatand then I'll work on it more
and then I feel that samepassion, like cause I love
hearing people's stories, I lovelike seeing if I can help some
people learn lessons in theirlives and like I feel like I'm,
(43:08):
you know, lighting up almost,and so you got to have a passion
and it's so important to findsomething that interests you
that you can keep doing for along time, that you don't get
burnt out on, because, like,there will be days at work when
you're like, don't want to dothis, yeah, and I I'll be honest
, like and I'm sure this is thesame way with roping the podcast
sometimes does feel like agrind, but it's one that I'm
(43:33):
excited to chase, it's like I'mwilling to do the work.
Blake (43:36):
It doesn't matter how hard it is.
You're going to keep doing it.
Yeah, exactly.
Brett (43:40):
So I think it's huge.
And I don't know, man, it makesme so happy to hear that
because the last few years havebeen tough to watch.
Blake (43:48):
Honestly, it was that because, yeah, the last few
years have been tough to watch,honestly.
It was like your brother.
It's been tough, but tough tolive, tough to watch, tough to I
don't know, but I mean like.
I think you are like like yousaid.
Brett (43:58):
Like it's, it's been awesome.
Um, I always have this versionof you that's like.
One of my favorites is vacationblake like party he's still
around he's, he's been around alot more, and I love it.
Blake (44:08):
He still likes to play he's coming out.
Brett (44:10):
Uh, this wedding yeah, we're better.
Blake (44:13):
Well, yeah, we're going to a wedding this weekend, but,
more importantly, we're going ona cruise.
Oh yes, and talk about content.
We're gonna have some goodstuff coming out of the cruise
honestly, yeah, we'll get some.
Brett (44:25):
Uh, maybe we can just go up and interview random people
on the boat and be like what'sbeen your favorite thing?
How many drinks have you hadtoday?
Yeah do you think I'm?
Blake (44:33):
in our, in our uh, in our special suits that were oh man,
have you ordered yours yet?
Brett (44:40):
I think I'm behind, but I gotta do it.
I'm going.
Blake (44:44):
Miami vice, yeah, I'm going all gold, I think I love
it.
Brett (44:49):
Dude, there we go.
Yeah, but that's sick, dude.
I mean, if there's someone outthere who's like I want to try
something, but they're unsure todo it, what would you tell them
?
They're like man, I really wantto start baking, but I'm not a
baker.
I don't have the time.
Blake (45:05):
They make all these can I look up a quote?
Brett (45:07):
yeah, on my phone, is that right?
Blake (45:08):
you can look up a quote for sure so this comes directly
from one of my uh, one of mymentors, my roping mentors all
right, I like this, you whichroping mentor I'm not.
(45:35):
I'm gonna leave one namedbecause of the quote okay, I'm
excited now let's see if I caneven find this quote I'm excited
, see, I need a producer, that's, that's.
Brett (45:52):
Uh, I'll say hey, hey, jamie, look that up.
Not that level yet we'll getthere this is.
Blake (46:12):
this is gonna be like the longest cut ever.
It's okay, you're going to haveto edit this out for sure.
Brett (46:17):
This is the only part I'll edit out.
I promise I like everything.
Blake (46:23):
Okay, so I think it is it Dale Brisby.
They hauled Kai Hamilton out ofthis building on a stretcher.
Yes, it's Kai, all right.
So here's the quote.
This is what I would say tosomeone who is struggling,
(46:43):
scared to be a baker, scared toget out there and find their
passion, scared to try somethingbecause they're embarrassed or
they're too old, or whatever thefreaking thing that's in their
head.
There's a famous guy his name'skai.
Oh, what was the?
I literally just had his name'skai hamilton.
Okay, famous bull rider.
(47:04):
Goes and competes in this hugebull riding competition, gets
knocked out, gets a concussion.
They put him on a stretcher,take him to to the hospital.
Well, he says to hell with that, escapes the hospital, comes
back, rides again and wins it.
Are you serious?
Yes, he won it.
And so they come up and they'reinterviewing him and in that
(47:26):
scenario they're like hey, ifyou would have hit your head
again, you would have died.
Like what do you have to sayabout that?
And he looked dead in thecamera and he said don't be a
pussy.
So that's my advice.
There you go.
That's great, actually, listen.
Like there's no, absolutelyzero reason to not try something
.
Life's too short, man.
(47:47):
It's too short, way too short.
It's too fast.
It doesn't matter how old youare, it doesn't matter where
you're at in life.
If you want to try somethingand you have a passion and
you're excited about something,go live for it.
Yeah, I love that, because it'snot worth it to not, so don't
be a pussy TM.
Don't be.
Brett (48:05):
Get after it instead.
I love that dude.
That's so good.
It really is.
It's like I don't know ifyou've ever heard the quote fear
is a mile wide.
Fear is a mile wide, but aninch deep, yeah, like until you
step into it.
You like you make up all thestories in your head and once
you step into it, it's like, oh,I can walk, yeah and yeah don't
(48:25):
tell yourself stories.
Blake (48:27):
It's not that scary just do it.
Brett (48:28):
Yeah, like I don't know it goes for everything except
for drugs.
Don't do those kids yeah, yeah,we've seen too many stories
that turn in the wrong way withthat one.
So yeah, don't do drugs, that'sa bad, bad thing to do.
Um, but yeah, dude, I mean it'sbeen, it's been nice having you
on here.
We gotta do another one ofthese I'm down anytime I want to
(48:50):
only anything else.
Blake (48:52):
My only thing is we have to wear cowboy hats.
That's easy.
Yeah, that's the only request Ihave look, how good we look, we
gotta look proper here.
Brett (49:00):
We'll need to get, like some root beers or something to
drink, some toothpicks sometoothpicks and root beers and
get a.
What are those shirts calledthat they wear?
Blake (49:08):
next time the podcast can be out at the ranch we did talk
about about that before.
Brett (49:12):
That would have been fun Having horses go all around.
Blake (49:15):
We could do that.
We could do it in the pasturewith all the steers.
There's like 25 head of steersthere.
Brett (49:19):
we go Bulls?
Yeah, we can have likevegetables.
So if any come by, we can tryand feed them.
That would be yeah, it'd be agreat video.
Yeah, tell someone or leavewith them.
It's important to you I don'tknow, I think.
Blake (49:32):
I think a lot of people struggle.
I think a lot of people don'ttalk about it.
Yeah and uh, I don't know.
I just think it's okay tostruggle, it's okay to be
depressed, have anxiety aboutlife.
The important thing is to keepfighting, keep pushing, you know
(49:53):
.
So that's my advice.
Brett (49:55):
I love it, dude.
That's all I got left is.
I mean, life is a struggle andI last thing I'll say on this is
like you have to have some formof self-induced like what's I
can't I never remember the word,but it's like you put yourself
through difficult things.
Like it's self-induced um mewith, like it's running you,
(50:17):
it's roping, like things thatare difficult to master, like I
cannot.
I've tried roping before, likeon a dummy, and I can't even do
it on a dummy, so I can'timagine doing it on a moving
horse.
Blake (50:27):
I'm still working on it, bro.
Brett (50:37):
But like, still, like, like you know, it takes time for
these things and it is going tobe a struggle, but life is a
struggle and those lessons youlearn during those times help
you just do life better.
Yeah, a little bit easier, andlike, like you said, that fire
starts coming back up.
So I love it.
I mean, that's such a goodmessage.
Everyone needs to hear it.
And yeah, everyone struggles.
It's just how do you keep going?
yeah, push yourself I love it,dude, you're the man.
Thanks for having me on.
Um, do you always have this?
Yeah, push yourself.
I love it, dude, you're the man.
Thanks for having me on.
You always have a welcome.
Blake (50:55):
This is actually more fun than I thought it was going to
be.
Really, I kept saying I don'tknow what I'm going to say.
And I just talked way too much.
Brett (51:02):
The episode that comes out tomorrow.
It's with my buddy, PeytonSellers.
He just tells like bad datingstories the whole.
It's great.
I have none of those.
You're just Mr Joe Cool overthere.
Blake (51:14):
I've never had a bad date .
Never had a bad date.
Brett (51:17):
But I love you, dude.
Thanks for coming on, you too,man Peace.
Blake (51:20):
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so that Brett doesn't have todo OnlyFans.
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I do have to do OnlyFans and I'm going to have to wear a
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Joe Rogan, have me on maybe.
Blake (51:44):
Yeah, joe, joey come on, we'll bring you a cowboy hat.
Brett (51:50):
I'll bring you a cowboy hat, joey.
Alright, come on, this is goingto be a close one.
We'll bring you a cowboy hat.
I'll bring you a cowboy hat,joey, all right.
Thanks, dude, I love you man.
Blake (51:58):
Thank you.
Okay, what's recording?
There we go.
Okay, I forgot to do, do NotDisturb.
Maybe a little bit Should Itake off my glasses.
Blake (00:08):
So there's not a no flare .
I can't see, it's fine.
No, put it back on, dude, wereally want no glasses.
I wear them all the time.
Alright, Very nice, alright.
Game on.
Game on.
Very nice, all right game on.
Brett (00:31):
Welcome to the show, dude .
Thank you, it's about time,it's uh it's been a minute
listen, this is um.
I've had drew on a couple timesyeah and we've tried scheduling
something.
This is my second brother notmy second brother, but he's my
oldest brother.
I'm the first brother he everhad.
I've talked about you a lot onthis podcast the swellow and all
that stuff, so well, we have alot to talk about.
(00:53):
We have a lot and I'm excited.
Blake (00:55):
Yeah, uh, also, I think to kick this episode off and the
hot topic for today.
Yeah, I wanted us to match, soI brought you a gift.
No, way.
Okay, so I figured we got to dotoday's episode in cowboy hats.
Brett (01:12):
That's the only way to do it.
All right, I feel like a realdeal.
Blake (01:17):
Yeah, look at that, you look really good.
A little hat tip.
Brett (01:21):
Should we try talking accents the whole time?
Whatever?
Probably not.
Whatever gets people?
Blake (01:26):
going, Also sponsored by Element.
Brett (01:28):
This is new.
We're not actually, but soonI'm an ultra marathoner.
Blake (01:36):
Have you ever drank one of these?
You obviously have, but thepeople watching this.
Yeah, they're very good, butthey're also terrible at the
same time.
Brett (01:44):
It's like you're drinking flavored salt, that's really
it's like going to the beachyeah sweet salt, getting
something a little sweet inthere.
I like it yeah, oceanside man,yeah, good stuff.
But seriously, thanks forcoming on, I'm excited I'm I'm
stoked to be here.
Blake (02:00):
Yeah, I think brett's invited me 20 times and I
finally said to hell with it,let's do this.
Let's do it so but if we'redoing it, we're doing it in
cowboy.
Cowboy hats that's right.
I feel like that's how daddydoes it now, do you?
Brett (02:15):
want me to edit that out or no?
Blake (02:16):
no, I want that in there I want people to know I'm daddy
he's dead.
Brett (02:21):
Do some more asmr, that's good.
Blake (02:22):
No, no, that's viral.
That's all you get but sweetdude.
Brett (02:26):
Yeah, I mean we just came back from your son um making it
to almost the championship,sick baseball little little
league.
Blake (02:32):
He's seven years old.
The red hawks.
The red hawks.
We did cardboard cutouts of hisface.
He loved every second of it.
It was legit.
And uh threw him on ourshoulders when you came out.
Brett (02:43):
They won in the fifth inning and he hit the game
winning run he did and I'm veryproud that's my retirement plan,
so I have high hopes for himnorman, if you're listening to
this, in the future, you betterget your act together yeah,
don't let me down, but we loveyou so much don't let daddy down
well, dude, I um, I'm mostexcited about this because
(03:03):
there's a lot that's gone onwith you over the past 10 years.
Yeah, seven years, we'll saySure, with Swellow and all that
stuff, and now, you know, stillin marketing, but doing other
things?
Yeah, getting new hobbies whichI'm all excited to talk about,
oh, yeah.
But let's go back to when I wasup in Rexburg, okay, and you
(03:24):
were starting to get some sidejobs for advertising.
Um that was the beginning of theswallow.
It was what you were.
Employee number one baby.
That's right.
Yeah, that's all I'll sayNevermind, I won't.
I won't go that way.
Um, but yeah, that's true.
Um, I remember it was like it.
It was cool because I was up incollege I was working at Frozen
(03:46):
Dessert Supplies, Great place.
Blake (03:49):
Represent, if you're listening.
Brett (03:51):
Yeah.
Blake (03:51):
FDS for life.
Brett (03:52):
Saw you guys made it to Idaho's top 10 places to work
again Congrats.
Amazing, it's pretty good.
Blake (03:59):
This is actually a pretty good flavor.
Brett (04:01):
Lime, not bad.
But yeah, that was cool becauseI was in college and I remember
you called me and you're like,hey, listen, I got this idea
like just can you run ads?
I was like I don't know, I canprobably figure it out yeah and
I started doing a couple for um,I think it was a dentistry and
a few other things.
Um, but we'd talk every nightand we'd try and build
(04:22):
businesses together.
Um, hello stevie, I think itwas our first one.
Yeah, tell, tell people abouthello Stevie.
What was that?
Blake (04:30):
Well, yeah, I guess, to back up Brett and I have tried
building six businesses, fivebusinesses together.
Brett (04:38):
Yeah.
Blake (04:39):
And yeah, one of them was a brand which was actually a
pretty sick clothing brand.
I think the Instagram is stillaround if you want to go check
it out.
Yeah, but it's called HelloStevie and we built, we designed
like surf and skate styledesigns and we were using like a
third party, like a printful, Ithink is what it was called.
Yeah, printful To print ondemand and we got like some good
(05:02):
orders.
We got some people prettystoked on them.
Print on demand and we got somegood orders.
We got some people prettystoked on them.
My favorite design was thecheese grater that says, I think
it said, stay shredded or getshredded.
Yeah that was good.
That was a popular print.
I don't know.
We did a lot of cheese themes.
Actually there's another cheesetriangle skateboarding doing
the hang loose sign.
That was good.
So a lot of cheese.
Yeah, it was fun.
Yeah, the hang loose sign, thatwas good.
So a lot of cheese, yeah.
Brett (05:26):
It was fun, though Maybe that's why it didn't take off
Too much cheese.
Yeah, everyone's like what isHello.
Blake (05:29):
Stevie.
Why do they eat cheese, HelloStevie?
Why do they like cheese so much?
Brett (05:32):
We're secretly rats.
But I mean it's cool because,like we have done a lot of stuff
like that together.
Yeah, an entrepreneurial bonein your body, yeah, um, where'd
that come from?
Because I've always seen yougrinding like I don't know all
the time.
Blake (05:49):
I don't know I, I just like working hard yeah you know,
and, and I have adhd?
I think not, not.
Uh, no, doctors ever said that,but I've said that.
So that raw cells, it makessense working hard and a little
bit of distraction, I get downsome rabbit holes, and usually
that ends up with me being likethat's an idea that could be a
(06:10):
business and yeah I don't knowwe we started all those like we
worked at fds.
Brett (06:16):
Yeah did you build that thing?
I mean, that's what was coolabout it.
Blake (06:18):
We literally built an office up in rexburg, like yeah,
with which I didn't know how todo either.
Brett (06:24):
Right, you guys were in like yeah, you were in a
warehouse.
Blake (06:26):
Like a small office, right, yeah.
And then we built out awarehouse and hired a bunch of
team members, and so I mean,like I don't know, I've just I
felt like I've always been abuilder, yeah, somebody that
likes to go above and beyondwhat the status quo is and push
myself.
And now, granted, I've had thatand I would say I have failed
(06:50):
150 times, but I mean it's partof it.
It is part of it and I I enjoythat sometimes.
Sometimes, those failures stinga little bit more than others.
But yeah.
I don't know.
I honestly don't know wherethat came from.
Like we didn't grow up withentrepreneur parents.
Yeah, you know we didn't.
(07:11):
Like I don't know.
Our grandpa was a farmer, whichis an entrepreneur.
Maybe that came from that.
Brett (07:17):
but I think it really is the hard work thing, cause like
same thing with me, like I'venever had, you know,
entrepreneur parents.
We came from the same ones,yeah, but I've always wanted to
work hard.
Maybe that's true.
We never know.
You're a lot better looking thanme.
Well, I don't know about that.
I can't rock a cowboy hat asgood as you.
I don't know.
It's true, we'll let theviewers decide.
Yeah, kind of looks like asombrero on me.
(07:39):
I like it, though.
Like it, though, that was amustache, and the mustache, yeah
, and call you the cuero, Ithink.
Yeah, nacho, yeah, but no, dude, I think it's cool.
And um, back to this, the story, the ads.
Um, what was like because Idon't think I've actually
actually asked you this likewhat was the thought process of,
hey, I'm gonna start a businessI don't know, scary well, and
(08:03):
you had a kid at the time.
Blake (08:04):
Yeah, yeah, I had a kid.
There were a couple things Likeone.
I've gotten laid off one job,my entire career and the job
that let me go.
I remember going home to mywife and kids or kid because we
only had one at the time andjust just feeling like I never
(08:25):
want to feel that again.
Yeah, so that was like a bigdriver for me to be like, hey,
I'm going to be my ownentrepreneur.
And then, at the same time thatthat was happening, I was
starting to collaborate andconsult and work with all these
other businesses.
I think at the time I wasworking with like four different
businesses and one of thepeople that we were working with
we hired an agency to go outand do facebook ads and he spent
(08:48):
like 8 500, which to me at thetime was like crazy like the
numbers I deal with now, that'swe literally spend that it's
like a day in like half a day,yeah, so it's like.
But I remember he spent 8 500and he had zero results and I
remember being like leadgeneration is that what?
He had zero results.
And I remember being like Leadgeneration.
Brett (09:06):
Is that what it was?
No, no, this was e-commerce.
Oh, okay.
Blake (09:08):
Facebook ads and e-com were just kind of taken off and
this guy's like, oh, we'll crushit.
And he kept saying we'll crushit, crush it, crush it, which
like drove me nuts.
And this one guy that I washelping with, he like maxed out
his credit cards to run theseads and pay this guy and I
remember being like I could dothat better.
(09:28):
Like.
I know enough about websites, Iknow enough about advertising
and like creating content, and Iwas like I think I could do
that better than these schmucksthat I'd been dealing with and
so that kind of like evolvedwith me, like pushing myself a
little bit further to learnthose things and start doing it
in some of those side gigs.
(09:50):
And then, and then I got toenough like I think at the time
I was doing like I don't know 14, $15,000 a month in revenue and
it was like I'm crushing it.
Brett (10:01):
I'm like I could do this.
Blake (10:02):
And then that kind of started to swallow.
Brett (10:06):
Well, I remember like I had to do the same thing Watch
YouTube videos, yeah, do allthat kind of stuff.
Asked you how to do it.
And then I remember like onetime you called me and you're
like, if we're going to do thisthing, like I know we could I
think you had two or threeclients at the time yeah, like
if we're gonna do this thing,you got to move down arizona and
it was like a no-brainer for mebecause all my rexburg
(10:26):
experiences I was like, okay,I'm coming down.
It was like two weeks lateryou're like, hey, I'm here, I'm
back.
Blake (10:32):
And then we started building out the office, which
was wild, but I'll I'll neverforget that brett looking over
at you and we just got theselike standing desks from costco
hot bucks, whatever per desk,and we were like this is so sick
.
We're setting it all up, we,you know.
First thing I think we did, weput lights up, Dude.
(10:53):
That was such a fun experience.
Brett (10:56):
It was so fun the whole.
Thing the whole, thing, thewhole journey was like so fun,
but pretty hard.
It was hard but it was fun.
It was a lot of fun yeah but Imean, yeah, tell me about the
swallow journey, like so nowwe're in arizona, we're building
out this office.
Um, we expanded a lot.
It took three years to do that,but like we grew a team yeah,
(11:17):
was it 23 people I don't know, Ican't remember yeah, something
like that, but it's just startedwith, if you count all the
interns, you count all thethat's just started with.
Blake (11:23):
If you count all the interns, you count all the
that's fair Our own internalpeople.
You count all the people weoutsourced Like.
I have no idea what that endedup being.
Brett (11:32):
It's pretty crazy though.
Blake (11:34):
Yeah, I mean it went from a few small clients to like
kind of up leveling our clientsover time.
Yeah, the time I brought in abusiness partner as well and
that first year we were up tolike seven or eight people yeah
and a little like that.
I wish people could see this.
(11:54):
I wish you had a picture of it,maybe I can add them.
Yeah, add a picture people needto see our first warehouse, but
our first office.
But it was like somebody builta loft in like a really nice
office, but there's like a loftwhere there's like rafters and
it was a big open space and thena closet and then a random
closet that we like put we putlike a tv and couching for some
(12:15):
reason so good yeah, like we, we, we grew out of that pretty
fast, we.
And then I remember, um, we weregoing around running around
with a commercial real estateguy and looking at different
spots, and we found this onespot that was like such a deal
was huge.
Yeah, all the desks in it, allthe furniture in it had a garage
(12:37):
and yeah, had a big old baydoor and in a garage and I
remember um coming back to youguys after we had signed it and
being like, like we like circledup.
You remember this.
I remember um coming back toyou guys after we had signed it
and being like, like we likecircled up.
You remember I remember, dude,it felt like we were doing
something huge oh, it just feltit was like man, we're freaking
doing it and at the time, wewere growing like yeah, really
really fast, and we wereinvesting a lot of money and
(12:58):
spending a lot of money, andthat was that was.
You know, I think if, lookingback, like you know, do you wish
that we were a little morecautious, because who knows what
happened?
But we were growing andstarting to grow and working to
grow.
Yeah, I remember sitting aroundbeing like guys, we just got
this office, we're doing this,and it just felt crazy.
Brett (13:19):
Yeah, it was nuts Just, and I remember when we moved in
that was like one of the mostfun days, because we were like
this is our office.
This is gonna be sick.
Yeah, and they left all thedesks in there, right?
yeah, they left everything andthey're all nice standing desks
and, excuse me, we had a largeconference room and yeah a bunch
of other was a cool setup I doremember that, like when we
(13:41):
first walked in there and likedrew and I set up our stuff in
the corner, um, like startingthe ads team branding, all those
guys were behind us and I justremember like being at that size
of a desk and I was like thisis crazy.
Blake (13:53):
Like we're moving up.
Look at this.
Brett (13:55):
And I was like it was cool Cause I was.
You know, what was cool at thetime was like hey, you took a
chance on me cause I didn't knowhow to do any of that stuff.
Like you're like learn how todo it, come down here and start
building this thing out.
And it was cool to see like theactual results help the clients
out, and I mean we had somedifficult ones.
Blake (14:15):
But yeah, we learned the hard way.
I know it's interesting.
Brett (14:20):
Like, uh, just do your research, like we were so
focused on.
Like let's just close the deals, yeah.
Like let's get anyone we canwhich makes sense, startup
mentality like to who you can,yeah.
But I think that's how youlearn a lot of hard lessons.
Blake (14:34):
So absolutely.
But you know what's cool aboutworking with you.
I could always trust that youwould learn what you needed to
do to be successful and it waslike it means a lot like you and
drew.
It's like anytime we got bigclients, I was always like
they've got them, yeah, you know, and like I just trusted you to
(14:55):
handle it and most firstsuccesses came from that, you
know, I mean it was cool, it wasreally cool.
Brett (15:00):
Um, I mean, I remember, I don't know, we probably can say
belong designs, designs likethose guys.
Blake (15:06):
Oh, they're OG.
They're like yeah, my favoritestory, but check them out.
There's our plug.
Brett (15:10):
Yeah, belong Designs.
They're sweet, but that wascool, because they started like
tiny and now they're huge, likeI don't think we helped them get
to that max level, but wedefinitely helped them get
started.
It was just cool doing thattogether.
Blake (15:24):
Yeah, I met him at a trade show in Colorado, hung out
for a little bit.
We actually worked with himmultiple times over a few years
too.
Brett (15:34):
Yeah, I remember that After.
Swallow closed down.
They were still using us.
Maybe that's something we couldtalk about.
Is what happened?
How come we're not doingSwallow anymore.
Blake (15:48):
Kind of depends on who you ask.
Yeah Well, let's let everybodyhas their own perspective,
everyone has their own story onthis, but ultimately for me it
came down to trusting the wrongpeople and, alongside that, like
I don't know, not knowingenough about like a proper
(16:14):
growth strategy, you know, andand how to cashflow a business
to pay for that growth, yeah,like I wasn't in the finances, I
wasn't paying attention, youknow, I didn't.
I didn't really even know whata PNL was.
I didn't know you know how to,how to categorize those losses
(16:34):
like that.
That it wasn't at the time, itwasn't even my responsibility,
you know what.
I mean, um, I was all sales, Iwas all product and our, which
was our, services.
But, yeah, so not, not reallyhaving my pulse or the pulse or
finger on that, not and thentrusting someone that I thought
I could trust, yeah, um, whoultimately made the final call
(16:57):
to to close our business, and soI don't know we essentially
what had had happened is we hadoverinvested or over grew our
team and you know we weren't, weweren't profitable, we were
close, we were working on somereally big clients, like really
big Dude, I remember that that'ssome very exciting brands to be
(17:18):
working with.
And and the, the future lookedreally, really solid.
Um, and then, within a few days, a couple people that owned
majority equity in that businessyeah made the call to to shut
it down, and then it was justgone.
Brett (17:32):
Yeah which sucks because it's also like during covid,
when all this happened duringcovid, and so it's just yeah,
storm after storm, because youknow we all had a.
I remember the last day, thatwas one of the worst, that was
tough.
Blake (17:47):
Yeah.
Um yeah, the day it happened mywife was out of town.
I called her, said hey, we'reclosing down the business, which
was crazy.
Brett (17:59):
Yeah.
Blake (18:00):
It was crazy to do it that way within days.
Right, it didn't even take achance to try and like trim
expenses or kind of redesignlike our business structure.
Brett (18:09):
I remember there was pricing.
Blake (18:11):
There were so many levers we could have, we could have
pulled on, but instead it wasjust like boom sat down one day
we're done.
Called my wife.
Hey, honey, we're done.
Brett (18:22):
Yeah.
Blake (18:25):
You and Drew came over, sat you guys down, said hey, I
want to let you know we're goingto be done, we're closing
tomorrow.
Letting everyone know yeah andthen I didn't sleep that night,
woke up the next day crying likea baby dude, that was a tough
conversation.
I remember that one that I meanthe whole thing.
I just felt like I let everyonedown, including so many people
(18:46):
that I trusted, who trusted meyou know, not just my brothers,
not just but like other peoplethat I really, really loved and
and loved working with.
Um, yeah, I mean, I'll neverforget that day.
Took me years Still workingthrough that day, to be honest.
We let everyone know.
(19:08):
Everyone was so gracious andloving to me which was like I
was ready to just take thepunches on the way out.
I was so ready for it, but,yeah, everyone gave me a lot of
love that day.
Brett (19:29):
I think it comes down to the way that you led the team.
It was, hey, we're going tohave fun, but we're also going
to work super hard.
That's the whole point of thisthing.
And then you would always makesure to take care of everyone,
make sure they're good to go.
Yeah, you check in on them Likeyou had personal relationships
(19:49):
with everybody, and I think also, like when you sign up for a
startup, that's always a risk.
But yeah, I mean, it doesn'tmake it easier, like I'm sure,
like feeling that internal, likeman.
Blake (20:07):
I let a lot of people down.
Um, it messed me up, you know,and I think most of it just came
down to me being so grateful tothe people that trusted and
joined our team ended up gettingscrewed over and like it it
still ended really well, like Imean, we still had enough money
to run a payroll, and like I gotto give my former business
partner credit, like he handleda lot of that, and you know,
(20:28):
it's still like it wasn't likewe just actually screwed people
over, but just letting peopledown.
Like I'll just never forgetthat, you know.
And then, not not just thatthat same day I called all of
our clients, which was like Idon't even remember at the time,
but it was high.
It was above 50 clients.
Brett (20:50):
Yeah, we had a ton.
Blake (20:51):
And I called every single one of them that day and let
them know, hey, we're workingthrough this.
You know, if there were like we, you know, had to make some
things right with some of theclients work through those, I
tried to like like, hey, westill have people that work for
us.
They could freelance for youand try to like make those
connections.
But yeah, I mean I've I'venever had been so beat up in one
(21:16):
day.
Brett (21:17):
It's tough it's brutal, it's hard to watch, honestly,
because, like that was I mean,you have kids, but that was one
of your babies yeah and it waslike I just remember.
We spent hours and hours like Islept at the office do you
remember when we pulled anall-nighter, we drank like I
don't know 12 energy drinks.
Oh my gosh yeah like I don'tknow if drew was there, but like
(21:38):
we were grinding.
Blake (21:40):
That was when we were in the loft one yeah, I sold a
twenty thousand dollar websiteand in two days I built it yeah,
and I didn't leave the officethat's crazy, like there is all
sorts of stuff that we weredoing like that, you know, and
then doing sales calls, doingprojects, doing like dude the
amount of time we all investedin that for it to just be gone
(22:01):
in minutes.
That was probably the hardestpart.
Brett (22:04):
You know gave almost four years of our lives just
grinding yeah so I mean it isyeah, like four years, but like
I mean, we learned so manylessons around that time and
this is a tough question to ask,because I think you probably
need some time to think about.
But, like, do you have, like,what was your biggest lesson you
(22:27):
learned during this event?
Or, um, just a couple of thingsthat like I don't know.
You look back and you're like,yeah, I'm glad that I learned
this from that experience, likeI'm better for it because of it.
Blake (22:38):
Yeah, I don't know, that's a.
That's a really tough question,cause there were so many things
that I learned, yeah, likebusiness, business wise,
business acumen wise.
Yeah, all the way to likeleadership wise to, you know,
like my own skill sets, like Iwas doing a lot of the services
(23:00):
still you know, even when I likeI'd sell a web, I'd sell a
website and I go build a website, or I'd sell a photo shoot and
I direct a photo shoot, like andI'm not even a photographer, so
like there were so many thingsthat I that I learned skillset
wise, but I don't know.
I do not know how to answerthat.
Brett (23:20):
That's fair.
That's okay.
It's a hard question.
Blake (23:23):
It's just a million little things into one big
experience that has ultimatelymade me who I am today and you
know, uh, I'm really gratefulfor those, like all those
experiences would you say, doingit made you a better person 100
, yeah, 100, that's itchallenged me at the end.
(23:46):
You especially the way it wentdown.
Here's the biggest thing.
I put so much time into thatand it was like another baby of
mine, but it also was mypersonality.
Brett (24:02):
It's kind of true.
There's a lot of that inbusiness.
Blake (24:06):
The swag the merch, we had All the skateboards on the
wall dude All of our culture,all the work I put into it.
It was like a piece of me andthat piece died that day Like
actually died.
I felt it die and I don't know.
It took me a long time to comeout of that and figure out who I
(24:33):
, who I am, yeah, um, and what Iwant you know for my life, my
family, my career, for fun, likeit like yeah, I mean I've seen
that spark come back though, andI think, a lot of it's like
yeah, there you go.
Brett (24:45):
Um, let's talk about how you found that.
Okay, let's get into how youfound that.
Okay, let's get into thisjourney a little bit, okay,
because I think, yeah, it's likehow long has it been?
Blake (24:55):
Three, years, four years it might be.
Uh, I think it was 20, 2020 or2021.
Yeah, 2021.
Brett (25:05):
It's been at least four years, yeah, 2021.
It's been at least four years,yeah.
And I mean, like I remember umthat time cause, like it was
just really difficult foreveryone.
But um, like four years is along time to go through a period
where you're like I don't knowreally who I am, like I lost
this.
You know personality, that I'minvested in this business, um,
(25:25):
especially as a 30 year old,yeah, that's tough, that's crazy
.
Blake (25:29):
Having like four kids, being 30 years old and being
like who am.
Brett (25:33):
I yeah.
Blake (25:34):
That's, that's tough.
Brett (25:36):
I mean, I feel like everyone runs through that at
some point, but, um, I still amtrying to figure out who I am.
That's why I'm running so much.
It's ridiculous, yeah, but, um,tell me about that.
But tell me about that, how'dyou find it?
Blake (25:47):
Yeah, no, it's the fun part, so I don't know Like.
I'm still figuring myself out.
Yeah.
Brett (25:56):
Straight, I have no problem admitting that.
Blake (25:58):
I have no problem saying that, but like coming out of
Swallow.
Yeah, you know, I did someconsulting jobs.
I went and worked in amarketing law firm which don't
do that, don't?
Brett (26:11):
recommend it.
I remember those stories.
Those are good too.
Blake (26:13):
Rough industry, really rough industry, but good
learning experiences there too.
And then now I work at awallpaper company wall blush TM.
It's legit, Go check them out.
Yeah, it is sick.
If you need any wallpaper, I'llhook you up, Just slide in my
DMs wannabecowboy on TikTok.
Yes, so like my career is kindof like I've gone through these
(26:34):
steps, I'm starting to findwhere I'm at.
I'm at such a great placecareer-wise.
Yeah, I work with amazingpeople.
I really enjoy what I do, butthere's still like that piece of
me.
I went through anxiety.
I went through anxiety.
I went through depression.
Like in the last four yearsI've gained some weight in all
the right places, ladies, but Imean seriously.
(26:57):
I went through that.
And you know, like, in all that,like I'm trying all these
different things, yeah, like Iwas like really into wake
surfing for a bit my buddies allhad wake surfing boats, and
before I was like really intomountain surfing for a bit, my
buddies all had wake surfingboats, and before I was like
really into mountain biking.
I was like trying to get backinto that and I'm like I'm gonna
be this person and that person.
You know, I'm like trying allthese hobbies and things and
(27:18):
like nothing stuck and I wasfreaking miserable, yeah, um,
and then the beginning of thisyear this is like all very
recent I set a goal for myself,so I'm gonna learn how to team
rope that's so cool.
Brett (27:32):
How come you got to explain the back?
Blake (27:34):
all right, okay, okay, and I'm jumping around here a
bunch, so this might be yourleast watched episode no, it's
fine, it'll be good, come on orlisten to this podcast right.
Brett (27:44):
I mean, yeah, it's both Okay, both of them All right,
we're stepping it up Cool cool.
Blake (27:48):
So, anyways in well, first off, we come from farmers.
Yeah, Riggs Road here inArizona that's our mom's maiden
name, where Riggs is.
You know old farmers.
Our great grandpa was a WorldSeries champion, team roper yeah
, one of my heroes, you know.
(28:09):
So, like we grew up going up toour cabin or going out to his
place and riding horses, Ialways thought I was a cowboy
Like there's a picture of mewearing checkered slip-on vans
on the back of a horse with acowboy hat, like posing real
sexy somewhere.
That's pretty sick.
See if I can get that one foryour podcast as well.
Brett (28:26):
I'll put up two pictures, one of that and then one of me
and Papa.
Yeah, we'll put them up, yeah.
Blake (28:31):
Rip.
Brett (28:32):
You miss Papa.
Rest in peace.
Put that up.
Put that up.
Blake (28:35):
Yeah, so we grew up with that.
But in junior high a guy in ourneighborhood his name is Dave
Hastings, another hero of minecalled me up and was like hey, I
need some help around my, myproperty, and he owned a big
roping arena, a big house.
Um, you know, he had some teamroping horses him and his boys
are incredible ropers I was justabout to ask, oh, excuse me
(28:59):
there you go.
I hit some of this you can edit.
Edit that, all right, thecoffee no, it's, it's all in
here.
Brett (29:06):
This is uh.
Okay, it's a raw podcast.
Blake (29:08):
Yeah, this is great, we do raw tm.
So anyways, he called me up, Iwent over there, started
shoveling horse crap, yeah,driving his dummy around.
You know I learned a lot aboutroping.
Actually, you know I go run thechutes, yeah, um, run the
steers up exercise the horsesI'd exercise the horse, which
(29:28):
was a blast.
I get on a quad, chase themaround with a uh whip.
You know there's so many timesthey came close to like kicking
me too and stuff was.
Brett (29:36):
It was awesome I learned all these things.
Oh, it's great.
Blake (29:38):
Knock you out but you know that then I like did a lot
of the horse care and yeah,washing them and picking their
feet and saddling them and Idon't know, just all the cowboy
stuff, and so so that was my job.
Like I did that in junior high.
There's a little bit of a gapwhere I stopped and then all
through high school until I was18.
Like I was out there doing thatthree times a week and I
remember that I always thoughtit was cool, cause I was like I
(30:01):
don't know.
Brett (30:01):
I always just looked up to you during those times, cause
you'd leave super early, right,you'd get there pretty early.
Blake (30:06):
Well, it depends, yeah, like one time I got there at 3
am to castrate steers.
Oh, there you go.
Right before high school?
I'll never forget that.
Brett (30:12):
What was that like?
Blake (30:13):
Oh, that was sick.
Castrating steers was so fun,is that?
Brett (30:16):
the rubber band thing.
No, they rope Straight up.
Blake (30:32):
Dude, they rope the head, rope the legs, and then Dave
Hastings would come up with arazor blade knife.
No way, slice them out and thenput a freaking rubber band on
it so it wouldn't bleed out.
That's real cowboy stuff I'llnever forget.
Actually, he sliced the tip ofa I don't know if I can say this
on your podcast, you can Of itsnutsack and threw it at me and
said there's your coin purse,blake.
No, didn't keep it.
Brett (30:46):
You should have, I should have.
Blake (30:47):
I wish this day I would have.
But yeah, those were the kindsof lessons I was learning.
So you know we talked abouthard work.
Like that, for me, was where Ilearned to work hard, like 115
degrees and I'm out therepicking weeds, working his
garden, you know, taking care ofthe horses like such hard work
and you know I mean that's whydave's one of my heroes is.
(31:10):
He taught me how to bust my buttand enjoy doing it, you know, I
mean like I look back at thatexperience and I didn't hate it,
like I enjoyed putting mycowboy hat on and sweating.
Brett (31:21):
You'd leave every day with like a gallon like cooler,
like one of those igloo thingsyeah, a gallon of water.
And I always remember I waslike that's so much, there's no
way he like drinks the wholething.
But now I do the same, but like, yeah, insane, I always thought
that was like the coolest thingfor some reason as a kid the
water you've always liked water.
Yeah, but you said a goodexample.
Like you wake up, you get upand like put your boots on.
(31:42):
Like you said, go to work Iloved it.
Blake (31:44):
It's great so so, yeah, that, why, like for me, I'm like
thinking about this next yearand what I want to do and it
just was kind of calling to meI'm like I'm gonna learn how to
rope, I'm gonna learn how toteam rope and I'm my goal still
is, my goal this year is tobuckle Really, to go to like a
jackpot or I probably won't godo rodeo, but like a local
(32:06):
jackpot where they've got.
You know, usually they'll havelike a saddle, a breast collar,
some cash buckles, but I want aplace.
Brett (32:14):
I'll get myself my buckle so well, whenever that is, tell
me and I'll come down hell yeahum, yeah, let's talk about that
for a second, because one thingthat I don't know I notice a
lot of people deal with,including myself, is when
they're in a spot where they'relike they feel lost in a way and
they're trying to explorehobbies, kind of like you were
Like I'm going to do wakesurfing on a mountain bike, and
(32:38):
a lot of fear comes with it.
It's like I'm going to trysomething new.
I'm going to look like abeginner, I might look like an
idiot, but I'm willing to try it.
Blake (32:52):
Did you um, did you feel that?
Brett (32:52):
no, really, yeah, hmm you're just, I'm going in like I
mean, what's the worst that'sgonna happen?
Blake (32:55):
yeah, that's like I don't have those kinds of fears.
I don't care how stupid I lookyeah like.
I mean, I'm the kid at thebeach.
That's like building a digginga hole.
I'm 35 years old.
Like I don't care, I'm doinggood at it, though.
Brett (33:07):
Yeah, yeah.
Blake (33:08):
So, like I don't know, I was just like I'm going to do it
, I'm going to try it, like Ireally feel excited about it.
Yeah, you know.
And so found a place and wentto it and started roping a
bucket, getting the fundamentalsdown.
You know, it was like I don'tknow, three months before I got
(33:31):
even on a horse really, actuallythat long.
Yeah, we're just roping on theground and they're walking me
through all sorts of stuff that,like I already knew because
I've been around team ropers mywhole life.
Um, but like every time I wentI was like, oh, that was fun,
that was fun.
Then I'd go home and I'dpractice on my dummy and like
work on my like work on my, myfundamentals, work on what I was
learning.
And yeah, now we're here todayand I'm roping lives to yours
(33:54):
and you bought a horse and Ibought a horse.
So this is like, what is it?
It's May, yeah, it's like fivemonths from being like I'm going
to get a buckle to like, yeah,now I own a horse.
His name is Mickey, he's 20years old, he's the perfect
horse they call him.
I still need to meet him.
Oh, you got to meet him.
(34:14):
But yeah, they say he hastraining wheels.
No, I don't know what thatmeans.
But all the guys I rope withwho are actually legit, really
good ropers, out roping everyweekend and winning, I mean
those guys are nuts.
Oh they are nuts.
Brett (34:25):
Oh, they're, they're they are nuts that side of mom's
family, like grandma Karen andall the um man, I can't remember
their last name Reed's, kirby,kirby there, thank you.
Um, all the Kirby's like there.
I remember going to the youknow Christmas party at little
grandma's house and, um, theyall have like massive belt
buckles and I'm like I feelweird showing up here in my
(34:47):
Volcom hoodie, but it was cool,it was cool to see.
So, anyways, you found thoseguys.
Blake (34:52):
Yeah Well, so the story is kind of crazy actually.
So I started doing this, thisclinic.
I was just roping the ground.
I ended up getting on a horselike two or three times during
this time.
But I was starting to getfrustrated in the process, cause
I'm like I want to rope, I wantto rope, I want to get on the
horse, I want to rope a livesteer, I want to you know, or a
dummy even, I just wanted torope on the back of a horse and,
(35:13):
uh, I was talking to my boss.
My boss is like, hey, mybrother-in-law is a big roper.
Like, hmm, I'll meet you outthere, let's go to his place.
So I'm like, okay, you know,like thinking, I thinking I'm
(35:36):
gonna go out there and and runthe shoot.
Well, first off, I go out there.
A guy's incredible, his name isjohn.
He's like ride this horse,super expensive, beautiful head
horse.
Yeah, like he's top notch, likehe's, he's such a smooth,
beautiful horse.
Well, I go out there, get onthe horse and I rope a steer and
turn it.
Never done that in my life.
What does turn it mean?
Like you, you dally the hornand you turn the steer, yeah,
you get across the arena, so thehealer can come in and rope the
heels and then you tie them upand get your time.
(35:57):
That's sick.
So I I rope one that night.
But then the other other side.
I go up to this one guy who itlooks as cowboys.
He gets yeah I go to him likehey yeah so I heard you're a
really good roper.
He's like, yeah, I'm like, yeah,I come from Kirby blood.
I thought it was the coolestthing.
And he goes well, I come fromKirby blood Really.
(36:18):
I'm like, okay, that's weird.
Who's your mom?
Yeah, cammy Kirby Really.
Which is Uncle Ricky's daughter?
Yeah, so he's our cousin.
So I'm like, oh, we're related.
This is crazy.
Brett (36:28):
What the heck dude.
I didn't know that.
So since then, yeah.
Blake (36:31):
And that's who I've been training with.
That's who I bought my horsefrom.
He's actually a performancehorse trainer, yeah, and he's
gotten me all the way to a pointwhere I roped one that night,
which I should not have ropedone, but my adrenaline was so
high and I was committed.
First one, I missed, second one, I got I felt like a million
(36:56):
bucks and that horse did a lotof the work too.
Brett (36:58):
Wait, so they know to chase the steers.
Oh yeah, Horses do.
Blake (37:02):
Yeah, they react to slight pressure.
Huh Between, when you're in thebox and you just put your reins
down a little bit, they'll takeoff, and that that means they
know to get up on a on the steer.
And then, once you catch them,you turn them a little bit and
put your your reins down andthey'll turn like a good horse.
That's broken, train knows.
That's crazy.
I didn't know, and you learn totrust that, because at first I
(37:23):
was not.
I'm like jerking the horsearound um, yeah, like I went
from not being able to rope tobeing able to rope, I wrote I
try to rope once a week, um,sometimes twice.
But you know, I'm training androping every single week and
that's so cool, learning a lotof great things, and my family's
(37:43):
into it now that's been fun tosee actually.
Oh it's, it's so great yeah sogreat that side, but like I
still haven't hit my goal yet,but like just getting in there
and grinding and exploring andmeeting people, like met so many
cool people that are down toearth, just good people, that
(38:04):
are giving me tips and help mealong the way, and it's just
been, it's been a blessingthat's so cool.
Brett (38:08):
So that's so cool.
Yeah, I mean I don't knowactually that much about roping
and like what goes on with it,but neither did I.
It's pretty cool, like it'stough dude, it's tough um last
week I wrote with a guy.
Blake (38:21):
I had that the steer perfectly.
I turn him.
My partner comes up, rolls theheels, comes up to me and he's
cursing.
He's like Blake Blake, histhumb stuck down between the
rope, he almost popped his thumboff.
Brett (38:34):
Oh, that's what happened to uncle Ricky.
Blake (38:36):
Oh, yeah, popped right off.
Oh but he, he ended up beingfine.
But I mean, like you experience, I got kicked in the knee by
steer Like there's two.
Oh yeah.
Brett (38:45):
What's the craziest story that's happened so far, or your
favorite story?
Blake (38:50):
I bulldogged a steer a couple weeks ago with my back
was out.
Bulldogged it, you wrap yourarms around the head and flip it
on its back.
Oh wait.
Brett (38:58):
You sent videos of that.
That's nuts.
That was.
Your back was blown out.
Oh, yeah, my back was out I wassideways and I freaking jumped
on the back of one and flippedit to when your back goes out.
You're walking sideways for along time.
That's actually very impressive.
Give you kudos, thank you.
(39:18):
That's good, but that's cool,man.
I mean, what has that done for,like, your mental health?
Like brought you back tofinding out who you are?
Like make that connection, likewhat was that?
Like I don't know, man, it'sbecause it's always been
something that's in your life.
Like horses, I remember ridingwith papa.
I remember you going to thehastings, um, and like it seems
(39:39):
natural, you're like right backinto it I mean that's what it
feels.
Blake (39:42):
Feels like obviously I never really lived the cowboy
life.
I never really roped and Iwould ride a couple times a year
versus a couple times a week.
Um, mentally I'm the best I'veever been.
Yeah, like, and I'm locked inin my life too, not not just
(40:02):
like it's, it's brought me outof a place like that funk that I
found myself in the last fouryears.
Yeah, it's.
It's like I feel emotional,saying that Cause, like it was
hard.
There were times I was like,screw this, this is too tough.
Yeah, so to be able to say, hey, I'm, I'm feeling really good
in my brain, it's incredible.
(40:24):
But just like the rest of mylife, you know's like I'm out
there, I'm working hard againout in the arena, yeah, and like
doing all that like I love I'mstill going out there and
shoveling shit, which isfreaking awesome.
But then in my work life andlike some of my other passions
(40:44):
and like my likeentrepreneurship's kind of
coming back into my life alittle bit, where I'm working on
some projects again you knowwhether they make me money or
not um, yeah, just findingsomething that I'm passionate
again about, like think I go tobed thinking about roping and
I'm sitting there watchingroping videos.
That's so cool, dude.
Um, you know it's brought meback to to a very good place,
(41:07):
like, like, just finding yourpassion, no matter what it is,
is so, so important.
I think just living your life,you know, in a, in a way that's
driving you Absolutely Like whatit is.
Brett (41:22):
You got to figure out what you want to get after and
then commit to it.
Blake (41:25):
I mean, look, look at your life, dude, like you're a
freaking ultra marathon runnerand you're doing someone you're
doing some crazy.
You're about to go do a crazyone this year.
You know it's like and thatdrives you and all of these
successes on your other side ofyour life, like they're all they
.
Brett (41:41):
They follow, you know, I mean I mean, I think it's like,
I don't know it's.
I just tell ali she always getsannoyed at this, but I'm like
it's a great metaphor for life,because some days are up, some
days are down.
Your body hurts.
You don't want to do it.
Some days are great.
You never really know.
But that's the thing I want, tosee how hard I can push myself.
(42:01):
And I've realized that thoselessons where it's like, okay,
well, this run sucked, this onewas good.
It's the same thing with likemy days, like I'll have good
days, I'll have bad days, but Iknow it'll always end.
Like I know the next day willcome and there's always
something I can like take fromthis day.
Um, but like I mean I foundrunning like three years ago I
(42:24):
would say like right after I wasgetting healed up from being
sick and stuff, and um, I don'tknow it was just like there's
something about that.
It requires discipline that Ilove, and like it's always a
battle with yourself.
So it's like if I can overcomethat, then I can overcome
anything.
I can handle whatever comeslike during the day.
So, um, but to your point aboutlike the passion, like it's,
(42:47):
it's so important to find that.
And like the same thing withthe podcast.
I've noticed days when orphases when, like it's not, like
it's kind of in the backseatand then I'll work on it more
and then I feel that samepassion, like cause I love
hearing people's stories, I lovelike seeing if I can help some
people learn lessons in theirlives and like I feel like I'm,
(43:08):
you know, lighting up almost,and so you got to have a passion
and it's so important to findsomething that interests you
that you can keep doing for along time, that you don't get
burnt out on, because, like,there will be days at work when
you're like, don't want to dothis, yeah, and I I'll be honest
, like and I'm sure this is thesame way with roping the podcast
sometimes does feel like agrind, but it's one that I'm
(43:33):
excited to chase, it's like I'mwilling to do the work.
Blake (43:36):
It doesn't matter how hard it is.
You're going to keep doing it.
Yeah, exactly.
Brett (43:40):
So I think it's huge.
And I don't know, man, it makesme so happy to hear that
because the last few years havebeen tough to watch.
Blake (43:48):
Honestly, it was that because, yeah, the last few
years have been tough to watch,honestly.
It was like your brother.
It's been tough, but tough tolive, tough to watch, tough to I
don't know, but I mean like.
I think you are like like yousaid.
Brett (43:58):
Like it's, it's been awesome.
Um, I always have this versionof you that's like.
One of my favorites is vacationblake like party he's still
around he's, he's been around alot more, and I love it.
Blake (44:08):
He still likes to play he's coming out.
Brett (44:10):
Uh, this wedding yeah, we're better.
Blake (44:13):
Well, yeah, we're going to a wedding this weekend, but,
more importantly, we're going ona cruise.
Oh yes, and talk about content.
We're gonna have some goodstuff coming out of the cruise
honestly, yeah, we'll get some.
Brett (44:25):
Uh, maybe we can just go up and interview random people
on the boat and be like what'sbeen your favorite thing?
How many drinks have you hadtoday?
Yeah do you think I'm?
Blake (44:33):
in our, in our uh, in our special suits that were oh man,
have you ordered yours yet?
Brett (44:40):
I think I'm behind, but I gotta do it.
I'm going.
Blake (44:44):
Miami vice, yeah, I'm going all gold, I think I love
it.
Brett (44:49):
Dude, there we go.
Yeah, but that's sick, dude.
I mean, if there's someone outthere who's like I want to try
something, but they're unsure todo it, what would you tell them
?
They're like man, I really wantto start baking, but I'm not a
baker.
I don't have the time.
Blake (45:05):
They make all these can I look up a quote?
Brett (45:07):
yeah, on my phone, is that right?
Blake (45:08):
you can look up a quote for sure so this comes directly
from one of my uh, one of mymentors, my roping mentors all
right, I like this, you whichroping mentor I'm not.
(45:35):
I'm gonna leave one namedbecause of the quote okay, I'm
excited now let's see if I caneven find this quote I'm excited
, see, I need a producer, that's, that's.
Brett (45:52):
Uh, I'll say hey, hey, jamie, look that up.
Not that level yet we'll getthere this is.
Blake (46:12):
this is gonna be like the longest cut ever.
It's okay, you're going to haveto edit this out for sure.
Brett (46:17):
This is the only part I'll edit out.
I promise I like everything.
Blake (46:23):
Okay, so I think it is it Dale Brisby.
They hauled Kai Hamilton out ofthis building on a stretcher.
Yes, it's Kai, all right.
So here's the quote.
This is what I would say tosomeone who is struggling,
(46:43):
scared to be a baker, scared toget out there and find their
passion, scared to try somethingbecause they're embarrassed or
they're too old, or whatever thefreaking thing that's in their
head.
There's a famous guy his name'skai.
Oh, what was the?
I literally just had his name'skai hamilton.
Okay, famous bull rider.
(47:04):
Goes and competes in this hugebull riding competition, gets
knocked out, gets a concussion.
They put him on a stretcher,take him to to the hospital.
Well, he says to hell with that, escapes the hospital, comes
back, rides again and wins it.
Are you serious?
Yes, he won it.
And so they come up and they'reinterviewing him and in that
(47:26):
scenario they're like hey, ifyou would have hit your head
again, you would have died.
Like what do you have to sayabout that?
And he looked dead in thecamera and he said don't be a
pussy.
So that's my advice.
There you go.
That's great, actually, listen.
Like there's no, absolutelyzero reason to not try something
.
Life's too short, man.
(47:47):
It's too short, way too short.
It's too fast.
It doesn't matter how old youare, it doesn't matter where
you're at in life.
If you want to try somethingand you have a passion and
you're excited about something,go live for it.
Yeah, I love that, because it'snot worth it to not, so don't
be a pussy TM.
Don't be.
Brett (48:05):
Get after it instead.
I love that dude.
That's so good.
It really is.
It's like I don't know ifyou've ever heard the quote fear
is a mile wide.
Fear is a mile wide, but aninch deep, yeah, like until you
step into it.
You like you make up all thestories in your head and once
you step into it, it's like, oh,I can walk, yeah and yeah don't
(48:25):
tell yourself stories.
Blake (48:27):
It's not that scary just do it.
Brett (48:28):
Yeah, like I don't know it goes for everything except
for drugs.
Don't do those kids yeah, yeah,we've seen too many stories
that turn in the wrong way withthat one.
So yeah, don't do drugs, that'sa bad, bad thing to do.
Um, but yeah, dude, I mean it'sbeen, it's been nice having you
on here.
We gotta do another one ofthese I'm down anytime I want to
(48:50):
only anything else.
Blake (48:52):
My only thing is we have to wear cowboy hats.
That's easy.
Yeah, that's the only request Ihave look, how good we look, we
gotta look proper here.
Brett (49:00):
We'll need to get, like some root beers or something to
drink, some toothpicks sometoothpicks and root beers and
get a.
What are those shirts calledthat they wear?
Blake (49:08):
next time the podcast can be out at the ranch we did talk
about about that before.
Brett (49:12):
That would have been fun Having horses go all around.
Blake (49:15):
We could do that.
We could do it in the pasturewith all the steers.
There's like 25 head of steersthere.
Brett (49:19):
we go Bulls?
Yeah, we can have likevegetables.
So if any come by, we can tryand feed them.
That would be yeah, it'd be agreat video.
Yeah, tell someone or leavewith them.
It's important to you I don'tknow, I think.
Blake (49:32):
I think a lot of people struggle.
I think a lot of people don'ttalk about it.
Yeah and uh, I don't know.
I just think it's okay tostruggle, it's okay to be
depressed, have anxiety aboutlife.
The important thing is to keepfighting, keep pushing, you know
(49:53):
.
So that's my advice.
Brett (49:55):
I love it, dude.
That's all I got left is.
I mean, life is a struggle andI last thing I'll say on this is
like you have to have some formof self-induced like what's I
can't I never remember the word,but it's like you put yourself
through difficult things.
Like it's self-induced um mewith, like it's running you,
(50:17):
it's roping, like things thatare difficult to master, like I
cannot.
I've tried roping before, likeon a dummy, and I can't even do
it on a dummy, so I can'timagine doing it on a moving
horse.
Blake (50:27):
I'm still working on it, bro.
Brett (50:37):
But like, still, like, like you know, it takes time for
these things and it is going tobe a struggle, but life is a
struggle and those lessons youlearn during those times help
you just do life better.
Yeah, a little bit easier, andlike, like you said, that fire
starts coming back up.
So I love it.
I mean, that's such a goodmessage.
Everyone needs to hear it.
And yeah, everyone struggles.
It's just how do you keep going?
yeah, push yourself I love it,dude, you're the man.
Thanks for having me on.
Um, do you always have this?
Yeah, push yourself.
I love it, dude, you're the man.
Thanks for having me on.
You always have a welcome.
Blake (50:55):
This is actually more fun than I thought it was going to
be.
Really, I kept saying I don'tknow what I'm going to say.
And I just talked way too much.
Brett (51:02):
The episode that comes out tomorrow.
It's with my buddy, PeytonSellers.
He just tells like bad datingstories the whole.
It's great.
I have none of those.
You're just Mr Joe Cool overthere.
Blake (51:14):
I've never had a bad date .
Never had a bad date.
Brett (51:17):
But I love you, dude.
Thanks for coming on, you too,man Peace.
Blake (51:20):
Everyone else keep getting after it Like subscribe,
so that Brett doesn't have todo OnlyFans.
Brett (51:27):
I do have to do OnlyFans and I'm going to have to wear a
cowboy hat now, so it would helpa lot like and subscribe.
Blake (51:33):
So Brett doesn't have to do that help me out also Jocko.
Please sponsor us and Element.
Brett (51:42):
Joe Rogan, have me on maybe.
Blake (51:44):
Yeah, joe, joey come on, we'll bring you a cowboy hat.
Brett (51:50):
I'll bring you a cowboy hat, joey.
Alright, come on, this is goingto be a close one.
We'll bring you a cowboy hat.
I'll bring you a cowboy hat,joey, all right.
Thanks, dude, I love you man.
Blake (51:58):
Thank you.
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