131 - Spencer Walker - What It Takes to Succeed as a Dad, Athlete, and Student of Life - Getting After It

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Brett (00:00):
There we go man.

Spencer (00:02):
We're alive.

Brett (00:03):
Ready to rock?
We're ready to go.
You ready to jump into this?
Let's do it Well, spenceSpencer Walker, I'll introduce
you, my long childhood friend Ithink you might be my earliest
childhood friend that I remember.
That's like a legit friend.
So finally got you on, man, I'mexcited.

Spencer (00:22):
I am too.

Brett (00:23):
I'm pumped on, man, I'm excited, I am too, I'm I'm
pumped.
We've shared many experiencestogether, so it'll be good.
But um, yeah, man, thanks forcoming on.
Of course, I gotta ask, becauseyou sent me over a list of
topics and I have some.
Uh, I have some things, but Iwant to kick it off with the
pack rats.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.

(00:45):
Can you give us the originstory of the pack rats, what it
is, or yeah, what it is?

Spencer (00:50):
and I mean do you want to go all the way back to the
bite gang or, uh, start with thepack rats first we can go into
the bite gang.
We can do anything I think itkind of transformed into the
pack rats.
I mean, we started off as thebite gang uh with eric bite gang
productions that was ourproductions.

Brett (01:08):
Yep, so bad you know those are still on youtube.
Oh really, yeah.
Oh, no way, gotta take themdown.

Spencer (01:15):
Actually, I'll link it in the show notes so everyone
can go watch our old videos ohyeah, yeah, pack rats was a
group of friends that we had umin high school and, uh, there
was a Twitter account.
That's right, that's right thatyou and Drake managed.
I guess we all managed it.
Yeah, all of us did post randomstuff in there and uh, yeah, we

(01:37):
were just really tight friendsand did a lot of stupid stuff,
but also we are still friendstoday.
So yeah is it I?

Brett (01:45):
guess a cool thing?
I think so too.
It was just fun.
I mean, you gave a, you came upwith the name pack rats, though
that was you remember what itwas?
Because I do.
But honestly, I'm gonna testyou.
You are testing me, I feel likeI'll tell you it had something
to do with the van.

Spencer (02:02):
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, it was on, wasn't it.

Brett (02:05):
Wait, no, it was your car , I think.

Spencer (02:08):
Oh no, it was, it was.
I thought it was Josh's car.
It might have been.

Brett (02:12):
I don't know he's like, he's packing it in there like a
pack.

Spencer (02:24):
Yeah, we have like I don't know the name stuck, oh
yeah, and then yeah, I rememberjosh uh dumped the cooler in the
back of the.

Brett (02:35):
Yeah, you gotta talk about the call that you swampa
fished his car or somethingthose are so good.
I remember those, like ali and Iwe were talking the other day
about like um, we're talkingabout slang nowadays.
Yeah, I don't know whatanything means nowadays, like I
learned the other day what huzzis.
No, really, I've never evenheard of that.
Huzz is pretty much like hose.

(02:56):
So like you're talking to thehuzz, you're talking to the hose
.
It's not really great, um, butI was like we didn't really have
slanging and I was like, wait,yes, we did.
We did?

Spencer (03:06):
we had swamp of fish we had like um a sweat, oh we had
like the most random things, butthey were all our own it was
like I don't know if anybodyelse knew what they meant, but
we, we knew what they meant.
Yeah, so good.
Yeah, and that that made iteven more fun it.

Brett (03:22):
It did, but we were a pretty tight-knit group.
We were yeah, still talk to allthose guys today.
But I have to ask what was oneof your favorite stories about
the pack rats?

Spencer (03:33):
That's a great question .
Let's think here I mean, Iactually don't know if I can say
this one Preface, yeah, I'lldon't know if I can say this one
.
Well, just, I mean, I justPreface, yeah, I'll just preface
it.
There was something, there wasanother school.

Brett (03:52):
Oh yes.

Spencer (03:55):
That was.
I mean they were making outwith girls from our school in a
certain location and we decidedto pretty much terminate that
location.

Brett (04:05):
Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

Spencer (04:06):
That's a good way to put it.
Yeah, I just don't know howmuch depth I can go in on that
one.

Brett (04:10):
I mean, yeah, that's probably one of the best ones.
It's getting smoky in.
Here is what we can say We'llleave it at that.
I do remember the fear that wehad, all of us, when we left
that place we were likesomething we're all done we're
all me and drake.

Spencer (04:24):
Specifically, were you in our car?
Was it just me and drake?
I might have been I honestly,it was a blur.

Brett (04:29):
That night was crazy, complete blur.
Yeah, um, but I do remember weall ended up in front of nick's
house and we're all just likewhat do we do?

Spencer (04:35):
like what the heck that was crazy.
That was a crazy or hanging outin the camper.
You remember nick's camper ohyeah, back, stay in the the
night there.
That was so good, so good.

Brett (04:45):
That was really fun, but a lot has changed.
A lot has changed.
A lot has changed.
Both of us are married now.
You have a kid, yep, and yeah,we're both in our careers, which
is weird.
You're starting them, yeah.
I mean you're in it and I'm juststarting it, and so yeah, and
so yeah, but yeah, I mean onething I I want to talk about,

(05:06):
which I think about in highschool.
I think about you now is likeyou're one of the most
consistent people that I've seenin terms of like fitness and in
terms of, um, like taking careof yourself.
Like I remember in high school,man, you'd go to mr sprague's
calculus class and you'd pullout arnold's arnold's uh big

(05:27):
book of bodybuilding or whateverit calls the bodybuilding book
of encyclopedia, whatever it was, um, and like you were always
like lifting weights and youwere doing things.
I was like this guy is nuts.
Like I remember I went andworked out with you once when we
were seniors I think it was atthe ymca and uh, you were doing
these things where you were upon a platform and you were doing
like deadlifts, um, and I waslike I've never done this and I

(05:51):
think I left there sore and thenthe next day like my back felt
like I was 87, like it wasterrible.

Spencer (05:58):
But, and now look at today, you're probably doing
deadlifts, right, I mean?

Brett (06:02):
yeah, it's, it's, uh, it's a great exercise.
Oh, oh yeah, but where'd thatcome from?
Like, did you just getinfatuated with bodybuilding and
that led to kind of like alifestyle of?

Spencer (06:13):
Yeah, that's a great question.
I've thought about that because, yeah, it's been a huge part of
my life.
I mean.
I've stuck with it for like thelast 10, 12 years and like
basketball you know, playingbasketball and football Of
course we lifted a little bit, Ithink, really starting football
my senior year like junior year, going into it.
I wanted to really kind of bulkup and so I did some research

(06:35):
and, um, I found ArnoldSchwarzenegger and just seeing
him was very motivating.
I was like dang, I want to, Iwant to be like that.
And so I started looking up hisworkouts and started doing
those and, um, watching, youknow, motivational videos and
hearing other people talk aboutpushing through barriers and
stuff.
Yeah, Cause weightlifting is noteasy, I mean, and especially

(06:57):
for for us like to do it, I hadto wake up early in the morning
and go lift, and so, you know,waking up early in the morning
as a junior in high school,senior high school, is not super
normal and so it's not funeither.
It's not fun.
And so I started doing that andstarted seeing results and
wanted to stick with it.
And yeah, I mean it really wasjust kind of a innate thing.

(07:17):
And, um, just trying to bebetter at sports too.
I knew that that would help mebe better at sports, so that was
a big motivation too.

Brett (07:24):
Yeah, it's at sports too.
I knew that that would help mebe better at sports, so that's a
big motivation too.
Yeah, it's huge.
Oh yeah, on the days like,because I remember we would stay
out late in high school andsometimes you would leave and
you'd like go get some rest soyou could like wake up and do
that like weight lifting, likewas that hard?
Because I, I think like we'dalways be like spencer, don't
leave, like come on man.
Yeah, and like, but you hadgoals, you had driving, I think

(07:46):
at the time I didn't recognizethat that's what that was.
Yeah, it was like you weresacrificing a good time so you
could wake up and still getafter it.
Yeah, was that?

Spencer (07:54):
tough.
Yeah, it was, um, I just, Idon't know.
In my mind I was like, well, Iwant this more.
I obviously I knew that we'dstill be buddies and friends.
And you know, I was just like,well, I want this thing in my
life.
And so I, when you researchabout sleep and how important
that is for building muscle, youknow, and we were all pretty I

(08:17):
wouldn't say like we were likesuper skinny, but in high school
we were all pretty lean, wewere all pretty thin and so like
to build muscle muscles reallyhard when you're really thin,
and so got a lot going on, yeah,and so I was like researching,
like what do I need to do it?
A lot of it was about sleep andnutrition.
Like that's a huge part of it.
So I started you probably knowwhat it sounds like eating a ton
of protein and dude.

Brett (08:35):
I remember it's like I think I was talking to, uh,
jaron peterson or hunterpeterson, one of those guys.
I saw them in arizona this pastweek.
Yeah and um, they were at thegym and they were talking about
how or I said that you werecoming on the podcast to talk
and they were like, yeah, Iremember spencer.
Um, I was like, yeah, he's,he's doing crazy crossfit stuff

(08:56):
now, like the guy's huge, and Ithink it was jaron.
He's like I remember I went togo do a physics project at at
spencer's house.

Spencer (09:03):
It's like one of the goldberg machines or something?

Brett (09:05):
yes, I remember that and he said that, like your mom
would come in with like thesegiant protein shakes and like
with 60 grams of protein orsomething like that.
And jaron was like I can'tdrink this, like what the heck.
And you're like yeah, I drinklike two of these a day.
Oh, my goodness protein'simportant.
It is what does protein do forthe muscles?

Spencer (09:23):
That's a great question .
Like, when you actually workout, you're actually breaking
down the muscle, like you'reactually having micro tears
happen during a workout.
Let's say you're doing a bicepcurl, we're going to have micro
tears to that bicep, and thenthe way to rebuild it is protein
synthesis, which is that's whatyour muscle is is protein.

(09:44):
Is protein synthesis, which isthat's what your muscle is, is
protein.
And so if you drink proteinpowder, eat, you know, fish,
eggs, chicken, whatever kind ofprotein source you have yeah, um
, that's going to help go in andrebuild those muscle fibers, um
, yeah.
So that's kind of a bigmisconception people have.
They're like, oh, I want to getsuper strong and big and, uh,
when you actually go to the gym,you're actually breaking it
down.
The time that actually rebuildsyou get stronger is outside the

(10:06):
gym, like sleeping and eating.

Brett (10:08):
So yeah, interesting.
Is there, like I've heard,timing protein time?
Is that a myth or is it real?

Spencer (10:14):
You know everybody's body's different.
I found for mine it's real Likeif I get in a good amount of
protein powder or a good mealwithin an hour of my workout,
I'm not nearly as sore the nextday.
I still might be sore, but if Ilike eat nothing after a
workout and it's like four hourslater that I eat a meal, I'm a
lot more sore the next day.
So I can kind of tell thatgetting in that protein earlier,

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right after the workout, themuscles absorbed it better.

Brett (10:40):
Yeah, so I would recommend that for anybody, but,
but, um, it could be variabledepending on the person I mean
I've noticed that too, like whenI first um started running and
lifting at the same time,because before I was just kind
of running, after I was sickyeah and then I started like
introducing lifting againbecause I was a big part of my
life in college.
Um, I recognized because I wouldintermittent fast and so I'd go

(11:03):
work out in the morning andthen I wouldn't eat till like
maybe noon and I just alwaysremember feeling like so
sluggish from after my workoutto around when I would eat, and
I was like dumb.
Now because now that, like theresearch says, like you need
carbs, like your brain needscarbs to function, oh yeah, like
you burn it all out with yourworkout, like you're not going
to have much to go off of Yup,um, but the yeah, I mean now

(11:28):
food science plays a huge rolein my life because, like you
have to time it with yourrunning.

Spencer (11:32):
Oh, a hundred percent.

Brett (11:33):
You have 30 miles coming up on Saturday and so I have to
eat like a lot of carbs the daybefore Yup and even Thursday I
have to eat a lot.
Yeah, Get like the muscleglycogen stores and all that
kind of stuff up to date, 100%Up to speed.
But yeah, I mean in regards toweightlifting and that kind of
thing like what's your typicalbreakdown look like with protein

(11:55):
, carbs and fat?

Spencer (11:57):
That's a good question, like, if you're because, like
obviously you're trying to buildor if you're trying to cut,
it's going to look differentBecause, like, obviously you're
trying to build or if you'retrying to cut, it's going to
look different.
Yeah, so if you're trying tobuild, you're going to want to
eat more carbs because, like yousaid, you need energy to
produce enough stimulus in yourworkout to actually make the
muscles grow.
And that's the tough thingabout bodybuilding or anybody

(12:18):
that's trying to lose body fat,is, if you're cutting carbs out,
you're going to lose some ofthe workouts effect because you
just won't be able to go as hard, you won't do as well, right?
So, like if you were going onthat run for 30 miles and you
were cutting out carbs two daysbefore, it would suck, yeah.
Gas out real quick, horrible,yeah, and.
But you know, if you haveenough carbs, that's your, your

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body's energy storage and youcan utilize that.
So, yeah, if you're building,you know, usually 50%, I would
say, carbohydrates, if not,maybe even a little bit more, um
, so you have enough energy, um,and then definitely protein.
I always.
I mean, some people kind ofmaybe want to contradict this,

(13:00):
but I've always seen tons ofgains with at least one gram per
pound of body weight forprotein, and so if that turns
out to be 30% of your dailycaloric intake, 40%, um,
whatever that is, I that's kindof.
What I go with is alwaysminimum one gram per pound of
body weight.

Brett (13:19):
I, I, I like that.
I mean, that's kind of what Istick with, because I usually
feel the best with more protein.
Um, and then to the recoverypiece too, like, oh yeah, I
think it's huge.
Um, do you take creatine forrecovery?
I do, I do too.
Yeah, it's a.
What's the role?
Do you know, like, how itinfluences the body and like
what it does?

Spencer (13:38):
I do, yeah.
So your, your body has kind ofthey've made it into three
different energy systems.
So you have the creatine umphosphatase system, you have the
glycogen system and then youhave the or glycolysis, and then
you have the oxidativephosphorylation or like aerobic
system.
Okay, so all three of them canhelp create atp, which you

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probably have heard about thatbefore, yeah that's like the
cells energy right, exactly soit's the cells currency that it
uses for energy.
So the more ATP you have, themore energy you can produce and
the more you can go about yourday doing things Right, um, and
so what creatine does?
Obviously, the name of thefoster creatine pathway, um, it

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helps increase that.
So then, overall, it justincreases your number of ATP.
It also increases waterabsorption in the muscle cell.
Um, so your water, so yourmuscle cells are more hydrated.
Um, and it also I mean there'sbeen a lot of new research and
data showing that it actuallyhelps your cognition and memory.

Brett (14:42):
That's what I heard.
Actually, I heard, uh, drHuberman talking about that,
yeah, and I was like, as soon ashe said that, I was like, okay,
and I know the typical dosageis like five grams, yep, you
might tell me not to take thismuch, but I take like seven to
ten a day.

Spencer (14:58):
Yeah, that's funny because I do ten.

Brett (15:00):
You do ten, yeah, okay I mean I'm a bigger guy, Exactly.

Spencer (15:05):
I mean we're both like what, six, two, six, three, yeah
, and I mean you're roughlyprobably 200 pounds, right, I'm
just a little bit over that, andso I think you're just straight
muscles Like come on which?

Brett (15:20):
we'll talk about consistency again.

Spencer (15:21):
Yeah, but yeah, I mean, it's been shown to do a number
of things and I think the fivegrams per pound of body weight
is a great place to start.
If anybody hasn't takencreatine, yeah yeah, if you are
a bigger person and you aredoing a lot of activity like you
are running a lot I like tolift a lot and run some too your
body is going to use up some ofthat.

(15:42):
So, yeah, take it.
If you're a bigger person andyou're working out a lot, you
can probably definitely tolerateseven, maybe 10 grams of
creatine a day.

Brett (15:50):
Do you know what it does cognitively for you?
Cause I've heard likeAlzheimer's Yep, um, it helps
protect against that.

Spencer (15:57):
Yeah, there's new research coming out that it
could be promising as uh, um, asa help for Alzheimer's.
That's crazy.
I don't know exactly thepathway by what that works, but
it makes sense to me.
This is a crazy study.
They did a study for cognition,for creatine, but also within

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that study it was onsleep-deprived people.
And it makes sense because ifit's increasing your ATP, if you
don't have a lot of ATP, you'regoing to get very tired and
fatigued, right, because it'syour energy currency.
So it's like if you have moreof that and you're sleep
deprived, it actually will helpyou keep going for longer.
And so they had a study withpeople that were sleep deprived
versus non and people that weretaking creatine versus not

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taking creatine.
And people that were takingcreatine and were sleep deprived
were actually still cognitivelythere, really, yeah, more than
people that were not even takingcreatine and not sleep deprived
.
That's crazy, like that'spretty crazy.

Brett (16:54):
That is amazing, though, like I don't know.
It's just my dad's always beenso scared of creatine.

Spencer (17:00):
Yeah, because like he's worried about his kidneys yeah,
there, I mean, there's a lot ofmyths and there's a lot of
things around it.
I wouldn't like, obviously,your dad's a little bit older,
you know, and I don't know ifhe's had kidney issues before.

Brett (17:13):
It's like a genetic thing .
Yeah, I think he's scared of it.

Spencer (17:17):
Yeah, I mean I would honestly consult with, I would
do your research, consult withyour physician, and you know I
wouldn't just jump into anythingwithout actually having some
solid data to back it up.
Yeah, um, yeah, I mean, fromwhat I've seen, it's only been a
positive.
I used to actually for my exams.
I would take a good amount ofit before the exam and it always

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helped me.
I mean it's smart dude.

Brett (17:41):
Like when, when I first noticed this I I started trail
running a lot last year.
Yeah, I was gonna do my firstultra and I heard about creatine
helping with endurance and, toyour point, like it obviously
makes sense now talking aboutatp and that kind of thing and
fueling more um, energy cells orenergy to the cells, and after
that, like I was like there'sdirect benefits when I take this

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versus when I don't.
So now that's just like I'mconsistent every day.
It's kind of gross.
I'll put a little bit of waterin my mouth and then dry scoop
it and that's it.
There you go Just swallow itwhole, don't have to worry about
it.
Yep, there you go.
That's awesome, but yeah, let'stalk about one thing that
people don't have talking abouthow that's super important.
That's when the muscles arebeing rebuilt.
Yeah, so what is like sleep'srole in helping build muscle and

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with recovery in general?

Spencer (18:31):
That's a good question.
So have you heard of likesympathetic, parasympathetic,
like autonomic nervous system?
I've heard about them but Icouldn't tell you what they do.
So just to give you like areally simple breakdown
sympathetic is like fight orflight.
Okay, parasympathetic is calledrest and digest, and so

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basically, when you'resympathetic, you know your
pupils dilate so you can seemore of your surroundings.
Your muscles get filled withblood.
When you're running or whenyou're exercising or you know
you see a bear and it frightensyou.
That's sympathetic, fight orflight.
You're ready to goParasympathetic.
You know you're kind of justlaying around, you might be
eating, you might be resting andthen also sleep, right, yeah,

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so what happens when you are inparasympathetic is you get a
little bit more vasodilation anda little bit more, which means
basically your blood vessels areloosening and they're not
constricting as much, and sowhen they do that, it can help
with a number of things.
And when your brain turns off atnight, it helps recover and
clean out toxins and otherthings that are in your brain.
And then same with, like, yourmuscles.

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Your muscles need kind of moreparasympathetic activation so
they can calm down and allowsome of that repair and so, and
also the digest part.
Like, when you're digestingdown that protein, it breaks it
down into amino acids and thensends it out in the bloodstream
to your muscles to then actuallyget the protein to feed it into
the muscle cell to keepregrowing.

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Yeah, but if you're sympathetic, that's why another bad thing
too, and a lot of people don'ttalk about this as stress Right,
and it's hard to do, it's hardto control.
But if we can control ourstress more, um, it actually
will limit how much fight orflight we have and can make us
actually more healthy.
Yeah, like stress is, um, notnot the best for us, and that

(20:24):
can be debatable, because therehas been some studies on like
mindset about stress.
Like you can look at it as like, oh, this is an opportunity for
me.
And actually can it change thatoutcome in your body?
But overall, stress is probablynot the best thing for us and
kind of does more fight orflight versus rest and digest.
So when you're asleep and doingthat, that's when your muscles

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actually can get the amino acidsand recover.

Brett (20:47):
yeah, just, kind of relax and repair.
Yeah, that's interesting, man.
It's crazy.
What goes on in the body.
It is, it's, it's insane, it'samazing, yeah.
But yeah, I mean stress is.
I think it's something all ofus are going to face.
100, um, there's no gettingaround it.
You're going to be stressedabout something in your life.
Yep, it's interesting.
You may have heard me talkabout like the Stoics on this

(21:07):
podcast, if you've listened toanything at all, but they always
say like hey, yeah, it is likeif the obstacle is the way,
that's what they say and that istrue, but sometimes that can be
stressful, yeah.
So like if there's a bigchallenge in front of you, or
like you're stressed at work,like you might have to get it
done, that might just be yourreality.
But, like, I was going to asklike what are some things that

(21:29):
you do to mitigate that?
Like to help with stress reliefand to kind of go down that
route?

Spencer (21:34):
So actually I want to make a differentiation.
So acute stress, meaning ashort-term challenge, is
actually good for you.
So a small amount of stress ishealthy in your life.
What's bad for us is somethingcalled chronic stress, so
something like where it's beenon our mind all day, every day,
for weeks on end and it'sconstantly nagging at us.

(21:56):
So that's the harder part thatwe need to mitigate Now for me.
Everybody does it differently,but this is where I really do
believe the gospel plays a hugerole in our life, absolutely.
I think that prayer andscripture study, meditation,
going to the temple and havingbelief in a God and in Jesus
Christ I think has been a hugeway to help alleviate that

(22:20):
Absolutely and to feel calm andto feel like you're getting help
and to feel like you're notalone.
I think those are all reallywonderful things that I think
the gospel brings in that canactually help you in the health
healthy way.
But yeah, like I was saying,actually having a small amount
of stress is good, because ifyou don't have anything to worry
about or anything to do, youknow your life is probably not

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going to be that good.

Brett (22:42):
That's true, you might be just drifting around, yep.
But yeah, I mean, I love whatyou said about the gospel.
We'll talk more about thatbecause I want to get kind of
deep on that, if you don't mind.
For sure, I want to go intowhat got you into all the focus
on the body and where you'replanning on taking it, because I

(23:03):
know you're starting medicalschool, starting medical school
and kind of walk me through thatand like what you're hoping to
become in the end.
And, um, you know, you'retelling me upstairs kind of your
ultimate goal.
Like I can't even remember whatthe um, the doctor type is
called.
That's all right.
But yeah, like, tell me how youyou got interested in, like hey
, I'm going to study the body.
Um me, how you you gotinterested in, like hey, I'm

(23:27):
gonna study the body, um, andbecome a doctor.

Spencer (23:29):
Yeah, what was that like?
Yeah, I mean it.
It wasn't my initial decisionlike going into college, but as
I took like biology and anatomyin those classes, I was like I
love this stuff, I love learningabout the body what'd you
originally sign up to do?
So well, it was physicaltherapy, so it was pretty
similar, you know, to being aphysician, um, but then, yeah,
my wife and, uh, my mom and afew other people kind of

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influenced me to then step it upto be an actual physician.
Your wife's like kicking intogear, yeah, I mean she's a
physical therapist that's what agood wife does, yeah, and so
she's like you can do more thanthat.
I was like, okay, well, I musttry harder than that.
But yeah, I mean, just learningabout that stuff really
fascinated me, and of course I'dbeen into working out and kind

(24:14):
of already knew a lot of themuscles and how they worked and
a lot of that stuff, and so Iwas like, well, this seems like
a good career for me.
And seems like a good careerfor me and, honestly, applying
to med school is reallydifficult because you just don't
know if you're going to get inor not and you kind of spend all
this money and crazy.

Brett (24:29):
Yeah, there's just like no guarantee that you'll get in.

Spencer (24:33):
Nope, I mean you have to spend I mean, it was, it was
thousands of dollars to justapply, Right, and usually you
want to apply to a lot ofschools and with every school is
more money, Right.
So I ended up applying to like13 schools and you just kind of

(24:54):
hope that you get an interviewand you get somewhere, and
luckily I did.
And uh, but yeah, being at um,I'm at Norda right now, college
of osteopathic medicine, um inProvo, and it's been amazing and
I love it.
That's awesome man.
But yeah, the doctor that Iwant to be is a physical
medicine and rehabilitation orPM and R doctor.

Brett (25:09):
And you were telling me a little bit about what they do.
But mine like just going intoit, just a an example, because I
think it's awesome.
I've never really heard of thistype of doctor before.

Spencer (25:18):
Yeah, it's kind of a up and coming type of physician,
but yeah, it's uh basicallyyou're going to be working with.
I mean there's a lot ofdifferent groups, like burns,
injuries, uh trauma from like acar accident or just an accident
in life.
I mean, you were talking to meabout a guy that tripped, I
think, at the beach.

Brett (25:38):
Yeah yeah, dave Daly.
He was a boogie boarding andbroke his neck or snapped his
cord.
I don't know what happened, butit was an imperfect or
incomplete uh break of the neckokay.

Spencer (25:50):
So I mean people like that, people that had a stroke,
people that have all thesesymptoms that they, um, they
need kind of a lot of help toget back to real life.
That's kind of what a pm andour doctor does.
That's so cool.
Yeah, with my wife being aphysical therapist, eventually
we'd love to work together andshe, um, she started already

(26:11):
working out at a gym and we haveour llc for that and so, uh,
the dream is eventually to worktogether.
But obviously that's like aways down the road, with me just
finishing first year and so Ihave three more years and then
four years of residency.

Brett (26:24):
yeah, yeah, I mean that's .
That's awesome, though.
Like, yeah, I've been seeingyou guys post on it's resilient
PT.
Yeah, that's awesome.
So, like what did someone who'sgoing to go see, like your wife
, what are they?
What does she help them?

Spencer (26:36):
with.
Yeah, I mean, for instance, wehave a couple of people at our
gym that, sorry, yesterday Imean it could be, could be
anything you know, from knees toneck to shoulder.
You know, yeah, hip, whateverproblem you have you know with,
uh, mobility or with movement,with exercise.
You know, someone's like dangmy knees are are jacked up when
I run.

(26:57):
Like I want to figure this out.
She'll basically look at thatand kind of see where the muscle
weakness is, where thedisparities are, and kind of
help them out in a path to getthem back to doing what they
love to do.

Brett (27:07):
It's a huge thing.
Yeah, I mean being in therunning community.
It's like I don't know.
I feel like so many people getinjured because they don't
weightlift, though that's theproblem, that's true.
And so I see some of the bestultramarathoners out there are
like average weightlifters too,yup, and they're like you have
to do it, you have to do it, butthen like people will neglect
it and then like other injurieshappen A hundred percent and

(27:30):
then you end up seeing a PT.
But man, grateful for PTs Likethat's.
Without them we'd be we'd berough rough shape.

Spencer (27:38):
It's a really.
It's a really good job and,honestly, it's really rewarding
too, like I was telling youearlier, because you get to see
someone kind of come in withthis point and then slowly
progress and get back to whatthey love to do.

Brett (27:48):
That's awesome.
So that's your ultimate goalwith starting your own practice
is just have people come in andhelp them live life better.

Spencer (27:56):
really, Yep, 100%.
Live their life in a functionaland healthy way and honestly
improve them to be even betterthan where they're at before,
cause that's the other thing.
I love exercise and I know that, like you just said, like with
weightlifting, you can actuallyincrease your performance in
other areas of life, and so,like, if someone doesn't even
know about that and they come inwith these injuries, I'm
probably going to show them howto do that for their future.

Brett (28:18):
Yeah, so I mean I love that.
Um, I've heard this before thatif you like tear a tendon or
like rupture a tendon orsomething, you get it fixed, it
can come back like stronger orjust as good.
Is that right?
Yeah, it's definitely apossibility.
I mean I've.
That's like a big scare for meis, like you know, if something

(28:38):
happens like, let's say, I'm ona trail run, I'd rupture my
achilles, like yeah, I know it'dcome back like kobe did it.
But you know it's just like, ohyeah, yeah, kobe did it.
It's crazy, it's scary stuff.
So I think that's awesome.
Though, man, like I don't know,you've always been someone
who's looking to help others andso it totally makes sense that
you're doing this.
Yeah, thanks, man.
But yeah, I mean a lot of workhas gone into it.

(29:06):
Like, going back to theconsistency thing and and the
principles of actually beingsuccessful in what you do, um,
you're talking about like howyou listen to motivational
videos or like when you did inhigh school, um, but how has
that changed over the years towhere you've seen like your
consistent practice, either ifit's in study or in in working
out.
Like you are obviously someonewho has harnessed consistency

(29:26):
and like grasp it, that conceptvery well, I would say um, and
it seems to be bleeding intoevery part of your life and like
how has that led to yoursuccess?

Spencer (29:40):
that's a good question.
Um, I really do think.
Have you ever read the book orheard the book Atomic Habits?

Brett (29:47):
Yes, I mentioned it a few times on this one.
I love that book.
That's a great book.

Spencer (29:50):
I mean there's a lot of other really good books kind of
in the same field.
I really think peopleunderestimate it.
I mean, a lot of times it'sactually pretty easy, yeah, but
it's just you have a day andit's an off day and you're like
dang, I just I don't want to doit today.
It's not a big deal, but likein the long term of things, it

(30:11):
kind of is.
And so, yeah, like right nowI'm training for a competition
in August.
Really, yeah, for CrossFit,let's go Where's that at?
It's in Utah, so it's FitCon iswhat it's called.

Brett (30:25):
You're going to be at FitCon?
Yeah, I'll be there, dude.
Sweet, I'll actually be upthere for a trade show, so I'll
just come by, dude.
Yeah, that's awesome.

Spencer (30:32):
Yeah, me and my brother-in-law so Brindley's
brother is going to do it withme.
Yeah, we're so.
Yeah, it's like a combinationof weightlifting and a bunch of
CrossFit stuff.
But I know for me, because I'vetrained strength for so long, I
have to do my cardio.
So that's like the big weaknessfor me.

(31:00):
But I know, with consistency,especially like Zone 2 stuff,
because I know that's not asharsh on my body.
Like if I were to go out andrun every day like super hard, I
wouldn't be able to do that dayin and day out.
But I can hop on a bike, youknow, and alternate days with
slow running.
Then I can keep my consistenthabits and I've seen in the past
that that's really boosted myperformance in like endurance
specifically.
Um, yeah, essentially forconsistency.
You just want to like from ourmission that and knowing how to

(31:29):
map out your consistency, you'reprobably not going to do it
right.
So you got to start off withmaking a plan and then saying,
okay, on these days of the weekI'm going to be doing this, this
and this.
You don't have to be perfect,you know, obviously no one's
perfect Right.
Like I remember studying for myexams, I would tell myself I
have to get all these subjectsdone by this amount of time and,

(31:54):
yeah, maybe I'd get 80% of themdone, but hey getting that much
done is a lot better thannothing, right.
Yeah, that's the thing is, ifyou wake up every morning and
make a plan for yourself toaccomplish all this stuff and
just are consistent at that,you're going to be way further
along in a month than if someonethat didn't make a plan is like
, okay, I'm just going to kindof do what I feel like I'm doing
and yeah, yeah.
So that I think that's thebiggest key to being consistent

(32:14):
is making a plan and trying yourbest to stick with it.
Yeah, I love that.

Brett (32:19):
I think that's huge.
Like I mean, you have to knowwhat's coming your way, like I
always I was talking to Drewabout this actually the other
day and we were talking about,of like, because every week we
talk about our goals, keep eachother accountable, and that kind
of thing, and we were talkingabout how, like we, when we

(32:41):
decide to do the goals, it'salready been a decision that's
made.
So like if his goal is to, youknow, to, let's just say like,
go to the temple or something,yeah, and he's already made the
decision to go there.
So like when it comes up in hisschedule, he's like, hey, I
already knew this was coming.
Yup, and it's like we weretalking about it.
It's like it's kind of funnybecause in school it's like say
no to drugs.
So like when they come up, it'slike, no, not touching them

(33:14):
usually do is work out, becauseit's that's how I like to start
my day.
Yeah, and it's like I knew Iwas going to do that last night.

Spencer (33:16):
So it's here and let's just go get it done.

Brett (33:17):
No, brainer, yeah, no brainer.
And then, like at work, I havethe things that I need to get
done every day, I have themeetings that are set, um, and I
just take them and get it alldone because otherwise I'd be,
you know, wandering around andlike I think having a plan is
crucial, super crucial, to beconsistent and successful in
anything.
Very underlooked.

Spencer (33:34):
It's rare.
You ask people do you have adaily planner?
Do you plan out your day?
People are like no, I just kindof know what's going on and
with my free time I just kind offloat around, watch TV and do
that.
It's like if you look at howmuch time people actually have
and how much time is wasted,it's unbelievable.
And so it's like and thatdoesn't mean that like you have
to be a robot every hour of yourday, but like if you want to
achieve something, actually dosomething.

(33:55):
Like you said, you got to havea plan.

Brett (33:57):
Yeah, that same conversation with my brother.
We were talking about screentime, yeah, and uh, two things
on this.
So one there's actually a guythat's making an app.
It's kind of cool, but he'smaking an app that is associated
with your screen time and itcalculates how much screen time
that you have and, depending onthat number, that's how much you

(34:17):
have to exercise oh wow.

Spencer (34:18):
So it's kind of interesting.

Brett (34:19):
So you like, you'll get notifications and so he was
showing it.
He's like this week I had sixhours and 45 minutes.
So I'm running for six hoursand 45 minutes and he just like
he's trying to promote the app,wow, um, but anyway.
So I was talking to drew aboutthat and, um, we both looked at
our screen times and we're like,yeah, we have a lot of time
that we can be doing spending onother things.
And so, for me, I was like Iwant to plan more for the

(34:41):
podcast and I want to read.
And he's like I want to readtoo.
And it's like, okay, well, let'suse, you know, one of those
hours a day that we're doingnothing and just pick up a book
and try and educate yourself andread.
Yeah, keep going.
And like it is amazing how muchtime that we have each day.
I mean, obviously people arebusy, yeah, but we can fill it
with better things.

(35:01):
Oh, yeah, like that's one thingI've been trying to do more is
like I think phones are a greattool, but they're also an
amazing distraction.
They are and incredibly, yeah,it can be detrimental to your
success and growth.
If it's, you know, in yourpocket buzzing all the time and
has your attention, you know,it's like you got to look up and
keep your head up.

Spencer (35:21):
Yeah, that's why, for my study sessions, I noticed
that, like when I first startedmed school, I was checking my
phone.
I didn't even realize I wasdoing it.
Then one time like oh, I'mgonna tally how many times check
my phone and it's like 10 timesevery two minutes I was like,
oh my gosh, so I decided to turnit off.
Yeah, and man, you just getinto a flow state and you can
focus, yeah, like with the phoneon you.

(35:42):
You don't realize how much of adistraction it is.
It's crazy and it's kind ofhard these days because, like,
you kind of have to have thatright.
It's.
Uh, when you can just try tofocus on the task at hand,
you're going to do a lot betterat it yeah, like I like
sometimes at work I have tofocus for a couple hours.

Brett (35:59):
I'll just text ali and be like, hey, I'm going to be in
the zone for a couple hours.
Yep, like, do not disturb, butcall me if you need me.
She's the only one that cancall me on do not disturb, which
is nice, but yep, um.
Yeah, I think it's powerful and, like two episodes ago I talked
about recognizing yourpotential and living up to it
and how a lot of that comes fromone, having a vision for

(36:22):
yourself.
And then two, you have to dothe work and you have to be
patient and like consistent aswell, like those.
That's the formula for successthat I've seen work in my life
is like those three things is isdo the work, be consistent and
be patient.
You can't expect the results tocome at certain times and like

(36:48):
there's so much more potentialto be grasped if we were able to
spend our time doing things toget us closer to our goals.
Yeah, if that makes sense.
But, um, yeah, what have youseen work for you in terms of,
like, planning out your day?
Like how do you go about that?

Spencer (36:58):
Yeah, I mean, I agree with you, I love to get my
workout done in the morning.
Momentum is very powerful, so ifyou can start your day off with
something that actually putsyou in a good mood and makes you
want to do stuff, it's reallygoing to help out the rest of
your day.
So for me it's also working outin the morning, and then I love
to read, uh, my scriptures inthe morning and I think that

(37:20):
just boosts my mental and uhspiritual kind of energy for the
day to keep going, yeah.
And then, yeah, when I get outthe door, I'm I uh well, before
I get out the door I make a planof what I'm going to do and, uh
, what that was while I was inmed school was the topics I was
going to study and the amount oftime that I would spend on each

(37:40):
one.
And then I'd always make surethat I'd get home in time for
dinner.
And then we kind of have alittle routine with Christian
where we eat dinner together,give him a bath and go on a walk
, is the sun setting and kind ofhelps him fall asleep better.

Brett (37:53):
Even though if you have a kid, you'll understand this,
it's just difficult sometimes Imean I have brothers and I've
seen them, you know, with thekids, and so, yeah, I can
imagine that's tough, but it'sup and down like some days are
good, but then some days aren'tas good it has been cool seeing
you as a dad like I.
Um, I saw this video I thinkbrinley put it on her Instagram
or something where Christian wasin a little box and you were

(38:15):
like running up and down like,doing like a sled, push with him
in this little thing and I waslike that just like is perfect
for Spencer.
Like he's a beefy guy but likehe's just running up and down
with this kid, he loves it.
What's funny is we alwaystalked about like how you were
going to raise just like themost elite athletes growing up.
Like we're always like, yeah,spencer's gonna have the kids

(38:36):
who are like d1 athletes infootball and stuff like that.
I think it's gonna come true,but we'll see.
Um, how has fatherhood changedlike your routine yeah, it
definitely has.

Spencer (38:48):
Um, like I think we talked about it's funny, we
talked about sleep and I knowit's really important.
But, when you become a parent,you kind of just have to realize
your expectations for that haveto be very low, because I think
the kid comes first, you know,and our son comes first.
So obviously taking care of yourkid is the most important thing

(39:10):
.
So it's definitely changed likepriorities of like health and
fitness, and it's made me thinkof more of the long game, rather
than, um, oh, I gotta do thisand this today, or I gotta try
to pr today.
It's like, well, if I go to thegym today and have a good
session, that's a win, right,you know.
So it's not like I have to goin every day and just crush it,

(39:32):
you know.
And yeah, there are some dayswhere, yeah, I can do that and
have enough energy to do that,but if I didn't get a lot of
sleep that night, I'm not goingto expect this great thing of
myself to go in and just havethe best day of my life.
That makes sense.
So I think just it's reallyhelped me have a lot more of a
long-term perspective and Ithink it's helped mature both me
and Bryn to just think aboutChristian and what he's going to

(39:55):
do in his future and it helps Idon't know as a parent.
it just helps you make betterdecisions because you're like I
just told him to not eat thiscookie at 7am.

Brett (40:07):
Am I going to eat it?
I?

Spencer (40:08):
better not do it, because I just told him not to
Live the example.

Brett (40:11):
I love that.

Spencer (40:12):
Exactly, and that's something that I really want to
do and something that I like asa physician too, and I think
that more physicians should isbe healthy Live a healthy life.
I mean, I think it's so hard towalk in and see a physician that
obviously doesn't take care ofthemselves and then to hear them
say oh, you got to do this,this and this.

(40:32):
I'm'm like that doesn't makesense, you know.
So I think the same thing as aparent's like, if you're telling
them to do this, tell them tobe kind, be forgiving and and be
patient and all these things,it kind of just automatically,
if I think, if you're a goodperson in general, it'll
automatically kind of imprint onyou because you're like well, I
gotta be doing these things too.

Brett (40:51):
So I mean, I I'm not a parent yet but, like with the
podcast, I'll say things likethat too and be like, hey, I'm
training for this race, um, andthen for me it's like you kind
of have to do that, yeah.
But I love that example of like, hey, donate that cookie at
seven in the morning and be like, oh, that does look pretty good
.
Christian was kind of right butI'm not gonna eat it either.
Yep, yeah, exactly, I thinkthat's huge and like, yeah, just

(41:14):
setting the example.
And so, like, what a goodexample that you're setting,
like, hey, I'm still gonna livehealthy.
Um, because I know I I hate themyth of a dad bod.
Because I feel like it is amyth 100%, like I feel like it's
just an excuse.
Yep, um, what was like traininglike, either in the early days
of having a kid or now?

(41:36):
What does your trainingschedule look like?
Is it still early in themorning?

Spencer (41:39):
There's a myth too, that some people talk about
called dad strength.
It's weird because I think itactually happened to me for some
reason.
I mean Brindley was in laborfor like uh, 36 hours no way,
yeah, super tough, and so Iobviously we didn't.

(42:00):
I mean it's way harder for her Ican't complain, but I didn't
get any sleep during that time,so I was tired, but that was it.
I mean, she went through a lotmore than me.
So 36 hours, yeah, it's superlong, um, but I essentially um,
I went into the gym maybe a dayor two later and I like PR'd
three of my lifts somehow and Iwas like dude, how is this even

(42:20):
happening?
So I don't know.
I feel like there might be someinnate thing as a father Like
you just know that you have akid and you're just like
stronger because you know youneed to protect your family.
So it was weird.
I kind of experienced that for afew months where I, like, was
just hitting awesome lifts andthen it kind of went away for a
little bit.
But I think the main changethat happened is is kind of what
I was saying earlier is I, Ididn't expect the world of

(42:43):
myself.
Yeah, um, I, I started to bemore realistic with things and
just, um and I, I would.
I was like super strict ontraining six days a week, but if
you're working out four or fivedays a week, it's still a lot
better than zero.

Brett (42:58):
And it's a lot better than two or one.

Spencer (43:00):
So it's like I started to have more of that mindset
that, oh, at least I'm going inthat many days a week Because I
mean there's some nights you gettwo hours sleep.
Yeah, it's brutal the next day.
Like, how are you going to havea good workout, brutal, the next
day?
Like how are you going to havea good workout?
Like it's probably not going tohappen.
So I uh, I just kind of startedthinking that way more of the
long game.
It's like, hey, if I get fivedays a week in the gym and if
I'm, if I'm running and doingthese other things, I'm still

(43:22):
going to be healthy and I don'thave to be, you know this
perfect.
But yeah, I think it.
It did transition a little bitfrom like, oh, I got to be
perfect at all these things too.
Okay, I want to try my best todo this and even if I don't hit
all of it, I'm still going to beokay because I'm doing my best
with it.

Brett (43:38):
Yeah, I mean, is there a risk for you get two hours of
sleep a night and then, if yougo and try and go into the gym
and do a workout, I feel likethere would be a risk for either
injuring yourself or makingyour body stressed even more and
then just puts you in a worseposition.

Spencer (43:54):
Yeah, Honestly, getting more sleep is the better option
, Cause I got like I talkedabout like you're actually just
breaking your body down.
It's good to know, man, I mean.

Brett (44:03):
I got to take notes.
When the time comes, I'll be.
I'll be somewhat ready.
I don't think it could be ahundred percent ready, Cause
everyone says that, but yeah.

Spencer (44:10):
I agree with that.
Like, like you, you hear allthis advice but at the end of
the day, you know yourself best,yeah, and so you're just gonna
have to learn, like that'sthat's how it is is like you
just kind of learn by experiencethat dang that didn't work at
all or that worked, you know.
So it's like kind of as you go,but I think just like the big
thing as a parent is being likesuper flexible, and something I

(44:32):
always love saying is you nevercan control the situation in
your life.
I mean, you can sort of, but ingeneral, you know, hard things
happen to most people, yeah, andhaving a kid is hard, but it's
also incredibly rewarding, yeah.
So you really can't control allthe challenges that come up
with that, but what you cancontrol is your reaction to it,

(44:53):
absolutely, and your attitudetowards it, yeah, and so I think
that's like the best way to go,then is just focusing on those
things yeah, we can't change thecircumstances but we can
completely.

Brett (45:02):
We have agency over how we respond to it.
100, like I don't know.
I think of the story of job.
Yeah, like that guy hadeverything he had his family
taken away.
He had, like, his house and hisfortune taken away, and I think
he was sick at times, like hiswife died within his house or
something like that.
Yeah, guy came out with nothing, like he had every single

(45:22):
reason to be like man.
My life sucks like curse god orwhatever.
Yeah, but he remained faithfulthrough the whole thing and it's
like amazing.
For me that's a that'sobviously an extreme example of
being able to control youremotions and your thoughts and
your responses.
But, like, if he was able to doit, then maybe you know, if
someone cuts me off in traffic,I don't have to get mad like
just little things.

Spencer (45:42):
It's like you could make that comparison yeah, you
don't have to.

Brett (45:45):
You don't have to, you know, get all mad and bent out
of shape if things don't go yourway.
In fact, they probably won'tthey yeah, exactly it's.

Spencer (45:53):
It's actually better to expect problems to come, yeah,
because I mean it's inevitable.
You look around you, everybodyhas something, yeah, everybody
does everybody, and so you justexpect that.
Just know my life is not goingto be just all sunshine and
rainbows the stoics actually hada principle that they taught
about this.

Brett (46:12):
Have you heard of this?
Probably, but remind me, it'scalled the premeditation of
evils, which is the coolest nameever, but basically it's like
you just try and imagine howevery situation you're in could
go wrong and how would yourespond to it.
So like, yes, when it does,you're not surprised.
And it's like, oh, I alreadythought this could be way worse
than it is yep.

(46:32):
So it's like, yeah, I thinkthat's a smart way to look at
it's.
Like, if it's parenting, ifit's fitness, if it's if it's
going to school, like expectproblems, yep, but realize that
you're in control of how yourespond and react to it.
100.
So I love that.
I think that's great.
And like what would you tellsomeone out there who's like I
got a dad bod.
There's nothing I can changeabout it.
What would you tell someone outthere who's like I got a dad
bod.

Spencer (46:54):
There's nothing I can change about it, Control your
responses?
Yeah, exactly, I mean honestlythe biggest thing is just one
thing at a time.
If you don't know where tostart, just do 10 push-ups, and
if you can only do five, do fiveand then do that three times a
week, four times a week, fivetimes a week.
And now do a plank for 30seconds.
Now do some air squats.

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Do some lunges.
Hang on a bar.
If you can't do a pull-up yet,start doing eccentric pull-ups.
Slowly lower yourself down ifyou can't do a pull-up yet.
That's something that I'velearned, especially in med
schools.
There were some days I was sopacked full what I would do.
This is kind of crazy, butevery time I went to the

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bathroom I had a routine to dofive and then cross.
So they call them stricthandstand pushups.
So I do handstand pushupsagainst a wall next to the
bathroom and then I would do 30pushups and then I would do 50
air squats.

Brett (47:52):
Dang.

Spencer (47:52):
So you're doing upside down push-ups yes, dang man,
yeah, so like that.
That's the thing is like I Iknew I had to get something in,
so when I went to the bathroom Iwent and did that.
I think that's awesome, so, andthat's the thing is that that's
all I would do for the day, butit was enough to like maintain
my fitness level.
Yeah, because if you'reconsistent at something, it's
not just going to disappear,right, so it uh, you have to get

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kind of creative.
But it's like if you're, ifyou're working somewhere and
there's stairs, take the stairs.
You know, like that's the if,if you have a dad bod and
another thing too, you canchange your nutrition as well.
Like that's a huge part.
It's like if you're eating outevery night, well then, probably
don't do that, you know.
Start trying to cook morehome-cooked meals and eat a
little bit more protein, fruitsand vegetables drinking all the
cactus cooler probably put thataway yeah, put that cactus

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cooler back in the fridge or inthe trash.

Brett (48:41):
Yeah yeah, that's probably a better place for it,
but no, I love that man.
It really is like it's start.
I tell everyone like start outsmall, because big impactful
changes don't happen overnight.
It's like, like you said, it'sa small, slow trajectory, yeah,
but that consistency adds up.
And like you think about, um,like I don't know if you've

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invested at all or anything likethat, or like heard about like
compound interest is a big thing, oh yeah.
But like you start out really,really small and then over the
years it just exponentiallygrows.
And it's like the same thing canhappen with any habit.
If you're willing to put in thework and, like you said, like
if you're studying and you haveno time to go to the gym, then
maybe it's every time you go tothe bathroom you do five
handstand pushups and 30 pushupsand 50 squats, like whatever

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gets you going and whateverkeeps you at that level.
Like try and maintain it.
Yeah, cause that's we're allmade for so much more.
And it's like you got torecognize your potential and try
and move towards it.

Spencer (49:37):
The funny thing is that took me three minutes.
Four minutes, yeah, and that'snot very long.

Brett (49:45):
It's not very long, but it's like.

Spencer (49:46):
I knew if I could do that it would be a lot better
than nothing.

Brett (49:50):
Yeah, so I have kind of an embarrassing one too.
That'll make you feel better.
But let's hear it before everysales call I have, I'll bust out
20 push-ups, just like.
There you go on the floor andit's so like.
I remember one time this ladyshe's probably like 60, I don't
know just some lady in theoffice.
She like walks by and like doesa double take, and then like
stares at me, like like this fora second, and then just like

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kept walking by and I was likethat was a weird interaction.
But hey, got my push-ups in,yep, so who cares?

Spencer (50:16):
who cares man?

Brett (50:18):
working towards goals, yep, but um, yeah, I mean, I
think it's.
It's interesting over the years, like learning these, these uh
principles and these, um, Iguess, practices that you know
you've obviously adopted andimplemented into your life.
And I feel like I have done afew things, like with

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consistency and discipline andthat kind of thing definitely,
um, work hard and like I feellike it's easier, like that's
why you're talking aboutmomentum and how it's so
important, it's like so crucial,and it gets it's hard at the
beginning, but once you get thehabit, it just becomes much
easier, it becomes part of youand becomes part of your day,

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like, and if it's not yet, addit to your plan.
You know, like, just have itthere so you can see it until it
becomes part of your day andthen, over time, like you'll get
better at it and then you canstart adding on more challenges
and that kind of thing and youjust become a better person in
the end.
100%, but it is tough, it ishard, it is hard.
That's why starting small isimportant.

Spencer (51:22):
Yes, and James Clear always made this distinction
that I think is so important inthe Atomic Habits book, of how
changing your identity, likeyour perspective of who you are,
is huge, yeah.
So if you're like trying to goto the gym or you're trying to,
you know, just be a betterperson, but if you don't

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identify yourself as a gym goeror a good person, it's going to
be an uphill battle.
But if you just start sayingI'm the type of person that goes
to the gym, or I'm the type ofperson that does kind things, or
I'm the type of person thatgoes to the gym, or I'm the type
of person that does kind things, yeah.
Or I'm the type of person like,if you're trying to quit a bad
habit, like I am not the type ofperson that smokes, yeah.
Or I am not the type of personthat eats junk food every day,

(52:02):
you know.
So like just doing stuff likethat is actually really powerful
because it gets you in themindset of the type of person
you are, your identity.

Brett (52:10):
It's almost like what you were talking about with
christian in the cookie.
It's like you know youshouldn't eat that, so I'm not
going to.
And it's like if you're tellingyourself that, it's almost like
you're parenting yourself atthat point yeah it's like you
know what?
I'm not the type of person thateats junk food.
You're like, okay, well, Igotta listen to myself.
Then, yep, so I.
I love that and I think it'sidentity is really important.
It is like and I think this isa good segue to talk a little

(52:36):
bit about God.
If you're up for it, yeah,let's do it.
Like, one thing that's veryimportant to me is identifying
myself as a follower of Christ,and I'm curious what that looks
like for you.
Like I have my own answer, butI'd love to hear your own
thought on that.

Spencer (52:53):
Oh yeah, I mean it's been like you've known me for a
number of years and you probablysaw, I mean we all did change
pre-mission and going on amission and not even after that
since post-mission too.
I mean, obviously there's a lotof people that go on a mission
and leave the church or are notpart of it anymore.

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But at least for me, I think ahuge part like we were talking
about identity of the gospel isknowing that you are a child of
God.
Yeah, and yes, being a followerof Christ goes along with that,
because you understand that ifI am a child of God, I want to
return back to my Father, myHeavenly Father, and so then how

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do I do that?
And having the identity thatyou're a child of God I think
helps build your potential too.
You understand what yourpotential is and how you're a
lot more than you are just now,and being a follower of Christ
is obviously huge because he isthe way back, and so then we
need to make sure that we'reidentifying with that as well.

(53:57):
Um, but yeah, I just thinkhaving all those things, uh,
people overlook it, but itbuilds confidence, absolutely.
It builds uh kind of acharacter that is going to be
resilient through challenges,because you know that you're
more than you are right now, andit also will build you to be
someone that is obedient andsomeone that's willing to do

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hard things.
Keeping the commandments thatGod has asked us to do,
especially in our day and age,is very difficult, and so being
able to do hard things andfollow those things is going to
help you become a better person.
Yeah, and so for me, I guess,to answer your question, to be a
follower of Christ, I think,definitely means to emulate him,

(54:40):
to try to be like him.
Yeah, not easy, not easy,definitely not easy, yeah, but
very rewarding, and not just forme.
You want it for other people,and I think that's like the end
goal is like you want to becomesomething, obviously, but we
also want to help other peopleyeah, yeah, and beautifully said

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I.

Brett (55:02):
Um, when you were talking about that, I thought of elder
kieran's talk from this lastconference.
Yeah, um, I think he said you Ithink it's called you are the
Gift.
Yes, and it's all about howunderstanding your identity as a
child of God is one of the mostimportant gifts that you can
comprehend in your life.
For those reasons, if you knowyou're a child of God, you know

(55:26):
who's in charge of your life andyou have to have trust in that.
You have to have faith in thatthat whatever he puts in your
path is going to lead you to abetter outcome in the future.
It's going to lead you tobecome a better person, and the
thing that he said aboutpotential in there is just, it's
so beautifully said I'm goingto butcher it, but he says

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something along the lines oflike how, because we are sons
and daughters of God, if we liveright and if we live correctly,
he's going to grant upon usChrist and try and emulate His
actions and His Spirit and to bekind to other people, because

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lots of people aren't kind outthere, and even to people who
are mad at you.
Try and turn the other cheekand you know what it's hard, but
what we're promised as beingsons and daughters of God is
something we cannot comprehend.
And, like you said too, and Ifeel like if you're, if you're
emulating that spirit, you'realso going to help other people

(56:40):
around you a hundred percent,which you've probably been on
the other side of being helped,and it's like I have to like
having someone there to step upand help me out.
Um, it's just, it's it's gamechanging.
And um, I'll tell you a quickstory, real fast, absolutely.
But when I, when I was sick andI was 135 pounds and all these

(57:04):
things, I had like some of theworst mental talk to myself,
cause like I'd look in themirror and be like man, you're
just disgusting.
I tell myself these terriblestories.
I think I was more embarrassedof it and so I would try and
berate myself, which doesn'treally make sense.
But then I just remember onetime I was listening to a talk,

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and I think it was PresidentUchtdorf at the time, and he was
saying how God sees you as hismost perfect son or daughter,
like no matter what, and I justremember that hitting me and I
was like how dare I, how dare Itake the body that God gave me

(57:49):
and the spirit that I have andtry and make fun of it, or not
make fun of it, like berate itand and belittle myself like
yeah, that's not what god wouldwant.
He'd want you to say no, listen, like this might be your, your
mortal body, but what you havenext is is unbelievable, like
you can't even comprehend it.
So just be strong.
I just remember, like havingthese thoughts like um, and you

(58:12):
might feel this way now as beinga dad, but I was like if I was
a dad and my son said that abouthimself, I would be heartbroken
.
Oh yeah, and so like that waslike I remember just then I was
like, okay, well, I'm gonna stoptalking bad about myself as
much as I can.
Yeah, and now I've, like I'vegotten it down to where it's
like I wouldn't want to talk badabout myself because, like I
don't want to make him sad andlike I don't know I just it's

(58:35):
just an interesting story, likeI don't know why I brought it up
, but it's just I feel like Godloves you so much that he wants
you to be happy and if you seeyourself through his eyes, like
it changes a lot.
It does, I don't know, but Ilove that story.

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It's just interesting, likeit's.
It's funny how I've noticed inmy own life like god will put
little things here and there tohelp me remind myself of him.

Spencer (59:05):
You know, it's just like, hey, it's a good reminder,
oh yeah but I think that helpsa ton like just recognizing that
this is not it, you know, Ithink that helps a ton Like just
recognizing that this is not it, you know.
I think that's a trap that weall fall into at times, is like
what's happening right now,that's it, you know it's like,
why is it?
Not going good.

Brett (59:25):
And it feels so like stressful, and it feels like
that's the whole moment, thateveryone's focused on in the
entire world, but it's like it'snot.
Yeah, so there's a lot more toworld, but it's like it's not.
Yeah, so there's a lot more tocome.

Spencer (59:35):
Like you're saying a lot of great things, it's like
there was a scripture this weekat church that talked about
after many tribulations, orafter all these tribulations,
then come with the blessings,yeah, and you just kind of see
that pattern in your life.
You know, you go through thesehard things, go through these
hard things, push, push, push.
It gets so bad, it's terrible.
Then all of a sudden, oh mygoodness, it's amazing.
That's kind of how the flow oflife goes right.

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It's going to be very difficultand then we have an amazing
eternity.
I was reminded, actually by Ican't remember the philosopher
or what the philosophy is called, but it's like a certain
philosophy that basically issaying, basically proving how
believing in God is like moreadvantageous than not, because

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essentially, if you're not,you're going to get finite
things, things that are here onthis earth and you're going to
go for that kind of live it upand want all of that Interesting
.
But the thing is, what are yougiving up?
You're giving up the chancethat there is a God and eternity
and eternal reward Right, butif you think about it, you know
you're going to die.
Everybody dies, so that's allyou get.
Yeah, or you could follow Godand choose to live those

(01:00:40):
principles, to then be afollower of Jesus Christ and
then get eternal reward.
And, yes, you're giving up thethings of this world, but those
things are finite, they go away.
So, if you really think aboutit, the more advantageous option
is to believe in God, becauseif there is a chance that he is
real and everything is what hesaid it is, then everything's

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going to be awesome for you inlike eternity, versus just
having a good 80 years here orhowever long we live, right,
which I mean who knows?
Eternity is like billions ofyears, so, yeah, it's forever.

Brett (01:01:11):
Yeah so.

Spencer (01:01:12):
I was thinking about that one day.
I was like really thinkingabout that, like it actually is
better to follow god.
Yeah, like it actually makesmore sense, so yeah, I, I love
that.

Brett (01:01:21):
my uncle, um, he was a bishop at the time when he used
to say this, but I love thisquote and I've I've lived by it
forever.
And he, um he was having aconversation with someone and
they were like you know, what ifall this isn't real?
Like what if God isn't real?
What if, like, the work thatyou're doing now is like, it's
not going to work out toanything, it's not going to do
anything?
Like what if?

Spencer (01:01:42):
yeah.

Brett (01:01:43):
And my uncle goes.
It's a pretty good way to live,yep, and that was it.
That was the end of theconversation, but it's like you
know what if it's like I lovethat?
You know what If it's not true?
It's a great way to live.
It is, you know, spend timewith family, spend time with
those who you love, help otherpeople when you can like as much
as you can.
Don't worry about likematerialistic things, like it's
a great way to live, stayhealthy, that's part of the

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gospel, like a hundred percent.
So I I've never regretted, youknow, keeping the commandments
or or staying true to my faith.
Yeah, and that's one thing likeyou can't ever get me to, to
discredit Like I'll.
I'll fight you to the moon andback if you're a you know
whatever, but yeah, maybe notfight if I'm a follower of

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Christ.

Spencer (01:02:27):
But you know what I mean.
Like I will, I will stand myground know what I mean.

Brett (01:02:34):
Like I will stand my ground like it is, it has gotten
me to places that I'll never.
I never thought I could and Icompletely agree with that.
So like you just don't knowwhat's in store for you.
Yeah, but I love what you saidabout like after the trial, your
faith in the tribulation.
Like that's when the blessingscome 100.
Have you seen that happen inyour life?

Spencer (01:02:50):
dude, yeah, honestly, the thing that comes to mind
right now is like this firstyear of medical school.
So, like I don't know if you'refamiliar with MCAT, that exam,
yeah, that's a test, right,that's a test you have to do
before getting into medicalschool.
It's an eight-hour exam, yeah,and for me personally, I mean I
didn't have, at least I don'tknow, maybe it just was an

(01:03:12):
incredibly difficult exam for me.
It was pretty tough, yeah, andI was like I don't know if I'm
cut out for this because it washard for me, yeah, and maybe I
didn't have the right tools orthe right way to study, I don't
know.
But I mean, I did okay, I didenough to get into med school.
But going into med school, Iwas scared.
I was like, dude, if it's allgoing to be like this, I might
be screwed because it was hard.

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I can imagine, man, that wouldbe intimidating.
Yeah, I got there and I waslike, well, what I know is and I
really trusted on this I'm likeGod, you made the body.
I'm going to medical school.
So basically every day I justsaid I want to put you first, I
want to say my scripture, say aprayer and then ask you what do
I need to study?

(01:03:54):
And I started doing that and Igot, just to tell you, I got the
best grades I've ever gotten inmy life for the first year of
med school, I had a 4.0, andevery single final exam that we
had I ended up getting a hundredpercent on it.
And then, at the end of firstyear, they had us take a

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practice like boards exam, whichyou don't take until second
year.
Okay, and kind of the samething.
I approached it with the samekind of humble mindset and I
took it, and at the end I got ascore that they said that's
above a second year's Dang man,the second year average score.
So they told us we only had toget a certain score the first
year, and they're like next yearwe'll tell you to get.
The score was a 200.
They're like this year you haveto get a 190.

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Next year, though, at the endof second year, you should get a
200, because that shows you'reready to take the boards.
Somehow I ended up with a 204.
That's amazing.
So I was like, did I reallyjust do that?
But I think back to it.
I'm like how did this happen?
Well, I started reading myscriptures and I prayed, and
that's the thing I really putGod first, and then I remember

(01:05:01):
specifically praying to him.
I'm like there's so much hereto study, what do I need to
study, so I'd pray about it andcertain things would start
coming to mind and I'd justwrite down.

Brett (01:05:10):
They start going after it yeah, and so I love that man.
That's, that's huge.
Like, yeah, putting god first,he'll direct your path, he will.
He really will.
It was like if you're humbleenough, if you trust him, like
you said, like he will be therefor you, he's not gonna let you
down.

Spencer (01:05:25):
How about you?
I mean, you probably have a tonof experiences.

Brett (01:05:29):
I mean I, um, I rely on him with everything, man, but
definitely with when I was sick.
I think that's when I I've Ihad a testimony before and like
I was really strong in thegospel, like I went on a mission
and everything.
But when I was sick, that'swhen I actually had to like rely
on him, yeah, and I had tobuild like a, a personal

(01:05:51):
relationship with god, yeah, andI learned how to pray.
I think during that time it wasjust like very meditative, like
it wasn't like a script, it wasjust like I would sit with my
thoughts and like try and thinkof what I wanted to say to god
and like what I was hoping for,and like I'd pray for people I
was worried about.
But it was a very more deepconversation, like then, you

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know, I'd sit on my knees andkind of like list out things
previously in the past, yeah.
So I feel like that taught mehow to pray and because of that
experience, um, well one, I alsorelied on him with faith.
Like through that whole time Iwas like I know I'll get through
this, I'll be okay, yeah, andeven when I thought I was dying,
even when I was told I mighthave leukemia, like all these

(01:06:35):
scary things, like I just had tokeep going with faith and be
like, okay, well, I trust thatthis is what is needed for me to
go through and, looking backnow, like I was telling you
upstairs, like, because I hadthat experience of being sick,
like I want to, I want to workout, I want to work out, I want

(01:06:56):
to run, I want to stay ashealthy as I can and inspire
others to do the same, because Ibelieve that everyone is
capable of doing great things.
That all stemmed from being sickand trusting that God had a
plan for me, and so I would saythat's one experience, but this
one you might actually be ableto relate to this as being in
med school or just working out,but I was at church a couple

(01:07:18):
weeks ago and a member of thebishopric got up and he was
saying how there's this versefrom the Bible that says, like
you know, no man has suffereththe pains, fatigue and I think
he says sufferings um, as muchas christ, without dying it's
like something along those lines, and so it's kind of silly.

(01:07:41):
But, like now, every time I'm ona run and like I get really
tired, I'm like christ has feltthis.
He knows what I'm going throughright now.
And then like I'm like I canget through it, like he knows
what it's like, like yeah, he'llgive me strength, um and I was
just thinking about that withlike med school, like I can get
through it like he knows whatit's like.
Like yeah, he'll give mestrength, um, and I was just
thinking about that with likemed school.
Like, when you're tired, be likeyou know christ, you know this
fatigue, like he he'll, he'll bethere he'll understand but I

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think now it's just like I havea better understanding of my own
relationship with god and,because of that, like I want to
help other people uncover theirown, because it's been the
biggest blessing in my life islike, like you said, like
relying on God.
The reason I'm in Utah isbecause I felt like there was a
prompting that I should come uphere and I prayed and it, you

(01:08:25):
know, I felt really good aboutit and I moved up here and now
I'm married to Allie and yeah,you know, and have a good job
and things just seem to fallinto place the more that I align
my life with Christ.
That's awesome, I think it'sjust.
Obviously I'm not perfect at it.
There's a lot that I could getbetter at and do, but I think
it's just slowly evolving tohelp me recognize that, with God

(01:08:49):
, whatever happens is going tobe the best for me.

Spencer (01:08:53):
I completely agree with that and like to your point
yeah, we're all not perfect atit.
Yeah, but like, even the pathis not always clear cut Never,
yeah.

Brett (01:09:04):
I mean it's all over the place.

Spencer (01:09:05):
Yeah, but you just trust and you just kind of keep
going and you look back andyou're like dang, it worked out.
Like how did that even happen?

Brett (01:09:13):
It's crazy, you can only see it backwards, right.

Spencer (01:09:16):
Like going forward.
It kind of is it's like theiron rod.
You know it's kind of you'reholding onto it and you know
you're holding onto it, but youmight not be able to see in
front of you.
Then, looking back, it's likewow, made it through that, it
was good.

Brett (01:09:27):
Yeah, there's.
I remember Steve Jobs' quotewhere he says like you can't
connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them
looking back.
Yes, I think actually ElderAnderson referenced that in one
of his talks.

Spencer (01:09:36):
He probably did.

Brett (01:09:40):
But, yeah, it's the biggest blessing and like it's
not easy, like you were sayingto you know, keep the
commandments these days and like, try and stay faithful.
Like so many of people that weknow have left the church and
it's it's tough to see, or theyhave given up on faith.
Um, either out of like lazinessor out of, you know, victimhood

(01:10:03):
, like, hey, I I've never heardfrom God, like God's never
talked to me.
He must not be real kind ofthing.
Yeah, Um, but it really is likeit's one of the best guides for
life.
It really is.
I don't know, the scripturesnever, never lead astray, and
this is also kind of funny too.
But every morning, so I I startmy my day with a conference

(01:10:25):
talk.
Okay, I love doing it.
When I'm doing cardio, yeah,it's like I'm just zoned in and
that's like all I focus on.
Yeah, but I kind of have twonames for it it's a conference
in cardio or christ and cardio,and I like the there you go it's
good start that's how I startthe day.
Yes, but I love that.
Yeah, man, I think it's, it'sso important.
And if there was someone outthere who, like, wanted to start

(01:10:48):
learning about God and faith,would you have any advice for
that person?
Or, like starting point?

Spencer (01:10:55):
Yeah, I mean, obviously , prayer, I think is the best
starting point, likecommunication or relationship
with your heavenly father.
And I mean, if you're like, ifsomeone really wants to like me
with the missionaries, is areally great opportunity to
speak to them, and I'm surethey'll say the same thing
because we were bothmissionaries and it's like

(01:11:16):
prayer is huge Right.
And then, yeah, scripture studyUm, if that be in the Bible, the
book of Mormon, doctrine andcovenants um, pretty much
reading anything that comes fromGod and then praying about it.
And then praying about yourlife and about other people.
Just start building thatrelationship with him, just
start getting used to talking tohim and then reading about him.

(01:11:41):
That's, I think, the two mostimportant things.
And then, yes, going to church,like if you've never been to
church before, going to church,taking the sacrament, realizing
what does the sacrament mean forme, yeah, and how is that going
to help me in my life?
And then, yeah, that's going tolead you down, as president
nelson calls it, the covenantpath.
And then, eventually, you knowbaptism, going to the temple and

(01:12:02):
all those amazing things.
If you're just starting out,for sure, I think prayer is the
number one, yeah I love that I.

Brett (01:12:11):
It's a great place to start.
You have to have thatcommunication, yeah.
But I remember I was talking toone guy on my mission and, um,
he was super interested in thechurch but he wasn't interested
in the commandments, okay, andhe's like I don't understand why
I have to have restrictions onlike my life, like that
shouldn't be something that youknow.
If god loves me, he should letme live the life I want to live.

(01:12:32):
Yeah, and we were just likeyeah, like we totally understand
, and um, we were telling himlike you know, you probably
shouldn't.
He was a smoker and a drinkerand we were like, if you want to
start like all I'm saying, likewe were just telling him like,
just don't do it for a day, yeah, see how you feel and then see

(01:12:54):
how you feel the next day if youdon't do it again.
And we came back a week laterand we show up and we like sit,
everyone in Minnesota has likepicnic benches outside of their
single wide trailers, prettymuch, yeah.
And so we're like sitting onhis picnic bench and he's like
elders, I haven't drank orsmoked for a week, wow.
And we bench and he's likeelders, I haven't drank or

(01:13:16):
smoked for a week, wow.
And we're like okay, well, howare you feeling?
He's like well, one, I feellike.
He's like I haven't beencoughing.
And he's like two, and I'vebeen sleeping great, and we're
like okay.
So there you go.
We're like, okay, that'sawesome, like that's amazing.
We're really glad you did that.
That's some evidence for you,yeah, so imagine if you were
following god's commandments aswell as you could be like it's,
it's a tough path.
You have to say no to thosethings, but imagine the life

(01:13:38):
that's out there for you.
I feel like that's kind of whatyou and I are talking about is
like a hundred percent.
You stay committed to God, youstay committed to your family
and other things that you wantto do, and your life's going to
be amazing.
Like it's not going to be freeof challenges no, make that very
clear but it will be somethingthat you can be proud of.

(01:13:58):
Yes, and so getting after it'sall about Yup, that is what it's
all about, but I love it.
Man, you're doing big things.
I'm excited to see where you'reat.
You know, in the next 10 yearsor so, it's gonna be crazy.
It'll be fun.
You too, man.
You might be the next mattfrazier too, dude I don't know

(01:14:19):
about that.

Spencer (01:14:20):
The crossfit games athletes are insane.
You basically have to.
It has to be your likefull-time job to yeah, that
makes sense so I love it, like Ilove cross, I love lifting, I
love doing all that.
But like, to get to that kindof level you just have to devote
a lot of time yeah, into it andat the end of the day, it's
like I love fitness.

Brett (01:14:42):
So I'm saying this with a caveat, like it's not the most
important thing in the world.

Spencer (01:14:46):
Yes, like the most important thing in the world are
the people that are around youyes like helping others, your
family specifically, and thenyou know being a good person,
yep, and eventually I mean youcan, we're going to be as
healthy as we want to be.
But something that I've alwaysthought about with, like an
athletic career or a career thatyou're using your body in, yeah
, it's probably not going tolast super long.

(01:15:07):
Yes, that's the truth of it.
So it's like you always want tohave some sort of uh end goal
that you're going to use yourmind, yeah, and so it's like, at
the end of the day, like it'ssuper cool, it's awesome and I
really respect all those guys.
Yeah, but you don't see peoplethat do that for 40 years, cause
it's like your body just can't.

Brett (01:15:25):
So yeah, it deteriorates, unfortunately.
Yep, medicine's great, but Idid want to ask you is I think
you mentioned you're superinterested in the research piece
Um?
Are you planning to do researchin like your field and yeah, I
mean we.

Spencer (01:15:40):
we've been participating in research this
year, that's awesome.
So, yeah, it's actuallyinteresting.
It's on, uh, opioid addicts andreally, yeah, and people that
have anxiety, um, with usingopiates and uh, basically
they're trying to see if there'sa way to not take a drug to

(01:16:02):
help them alleviate those thoseuh signs and symptoms of like
wanting to use again.
Yeah, because, like, whenyou're using a drug and you're
addicted to something, you havelike peaks and troughs in
dopamine levels.
So when you're in a trough,let's say this is baseline, if
you're down here, then you'regoing to really want to get
something back up to baseline oreven above, so you're going to

(01:16:25):
want to use your drug again.
Now, normal day-to-day.
It's not going to make us gointo massive trough, unless
someone might have depression orsome other psychological issue
that could cause that, butmajority of people are going to
be, you know, kind of rightaround baseline.
But, yeah, if you're using anytype of drug that gives you big
spikes in dopamine, it'll throwyou right back down and when

(01:16:46):
you're down.
That's when you want to useagain.
Yeah, so, but a lot of peoplethey just get more drugs to get
them out of that and then thepotential of using those drugs
as an addiction device goes up.
So it's like we got to dosomething else to get them out.
So our research was onbasically, they found a way to

(01:17:06):
stimulate natural dopaminerelease.
It sounds really weird, but itwas a vibrating chair that
really yeah, we would put themin yeah, but they had to be like
sitting up really straight.
Yeah, it vibrated up theirspinal cord um at a certain uh,
interesting beat and a certainwave frequency which it was like

(01:17:27):
a 25 to 26 hertz um, offset um,which they called like a
heterodyned whole body vibrationto go up basically up to the
base of their skull and theyfound that that activated
natural dopamine release towhere, like, if they, if they
came in to the clinic and theyhad like a low dopamine levels,
the hypothesis would be well, wecan get you back up to here and

(01:17:48):
when you're here, versus downthere, it's a better position to
be yeah, you're not going towant to use your drug again
because you back up to here andwhen you're here, versus down
there, it's a better position tobe in.
Yeah, you're not going to wantto use your drug again because
you're going to feel a lotbetter.
So, yeah, that's what we'reworking on currently.

Brett (01:18:00):
That's cool man.

Spencer (01:18:02):
Yeah, it's really interesting.
I mean, I think there's a lotof other amazing research going
on, especially at Norda.

Brett (01:18:18):
Like I want to be a part of more stuff, but right now
that's what I'm a part of.
So, yeah, that's so cool man.
Yeah, and I hope you it's.
That's a scary one, so the morehelp we can get there, the
better.
But, yes, that's awesome dude.
Well, yeah, I, uh, I appreciateyou coming on today.

Spencer (01:18:26):
Yeah, absolutely it's been a pleasure.

Brett (01:18:28):
Thank you for inviting me .
Of course you always have afree pass.
You're one of the one of thepack rats you always can come on
, um, but, yeah, I'll.
I'll put, uh, your wife'sclinic in the show notes too, so
people can check that out.
And yeah, um, yeah, if peoplewant to follow you, can they?
Absolutely, there we go, I'llput you in there too.
Then, yeah, just throw it inthere.
But you're the man dude, and um, yeah, everyone else.

(01:18:51):
Thanks for tuning in and, asalways, keep getting after it
dude, you're the man.

Spencer (01:18:59):
That was so fun.
That was fun.

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