133 - Kate Plamondon - This Is What Happens When You Bet on Yourself

What does it really mean to do it all—and actually do it well?

In this episode, I sat down with my former manager, longtime friend, and one of the most quietly powerful leaders I know: Kate Plamondon. 

Kate is now a mother of three (including a set of surprise twins), a respected leader in business, and someone who’s not just surviving the chaos—but navigating it with presence, clarity, and integrity. We talk about the raw transition from being a high performer at work to balancing meetings with midnight feedings, the lessons she’s learned about leadership from raising toddlers, and how she’s built a system of resilience without burning out.

We also explore how motherhood reshaped her professional backbone, how taking a chance on herself opened the door to a leadership role, and how organization—paired with prioritization—is her secret weapon.

This episode is for anyone who feels like they’re being pulled in a thousand directions… but still want to get after it.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

1. The Power of Boundaries – How becoming a mom forced Kate to stop being a people-pleaser and start protecting her time, energy, and attention.
2. Why Lists and Calendars Aren’t Just for Work – Practical systems Kate uses to stay organized and grounded both at home and at the office.
3. The Difference Between Chosen and Unchosen Suffering – A powerful framework we discuss around discipline, challenge, and how being a parent is the ultimate endurance test.
4. How to Be Present With Your Kids – Tangible tips for putting your phone down and being in the moment, guilt-free.
5. Why Believing in Others Is Leadership Gold – Kate’s unique approach to management is rooted in one thing: championing people’s potential, even when they don’t see it yet.

You’re not done.
You’re just getting started.

Let’s keep getting after it.

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Episode Transcript

Brett (00:00):
or we're rolling now oh, are we okay we're good sweet we
got you finally back on thepodcast.
It's time back on the pod inthe studio first one didn't make
it live, but that's okay it wasnot okay actually, because that
one was so good and I was sad.
I had like three people fromwork ask about it rachel was one
of them and then, like my momwas sad, ally was sad about it.

Kate (00:22):
So, yeah, we finally made it back we're back, and it're
back, and it'll be even better.

Brett (00:27):
It'll be even better.
Yeah, we had a practice run.
I'm happy you're here.

Kate (00:32):
Thank you, I'm happy to be here.

Brett (00:34):
Yeah, I am really like for this podcast.
I want to talk about, kind of,how you balance everything.
That's one thing that's beenimpressive to watch over the
years.
Like for people who don't know,kate was my manager for two and
a half years about that time.

Kate (00:49):
Yeah.

Brett (00:50):
And um taught me a lot about business development how
to actually talk to people andbe confident in doing it.

Kate (00:57):
Um you were already good at it.

Brett (00:59):
I mean, you know it's, it's something like I feel like
I was good at talking to people,but not someone who I don't
know on the phone.
You know, that was obviouslylike kind of scary.
Yeah, and then you're callinglike a CEO and you're like, okay
, well, how am I supposed to get?

Kate (01:11):
this guy interested.
This is worth your time, yeah.

Brett (01:12):
Yeah, hey, um.
I know you're busy, but listento what I have to say for 30
seconds.
Yeah, a lot from you, thank you.
I've learned a lot from you.
I mean, hey, that's, that's onething I love about.
Pattern is like you can learneverything from, or you can
learn something from everyone,absolutely, yeah, um.
So it's been great in that way.

(01:33):
But, yeah, I think it's beenreally cool seeing you over the
years, because when I came topattern, you didn't have any
kids, nope, um.
And then you went on maternityleave and you came back and then
I don't know what the time was,but then now you have twins, so
you have three kids total.

Kate (01:49):
I do Um closer than expected the timeline.
Yeah, it's amazing.

Brett (01:53):
Were you guys hoping or like shooting for one?
You're just like all right well.

Kate (01:56):
Yeah, the goal was have two kids close together and then
kind of go from there and likefigure out, you know, do we want
more or whatever.
We just both thought it'd begreat to have two kids close
together.
They've got a little buddy, um,and then second pregnancy
turned out to be twins, so thenwe have three close together.

Brett (02:14):
What was that like?
Like sitting in the room, youknow the doctor's, like okay,
yeah, there's two in there.
What thoughts went through yourmind?

Kate (02:21):
So my first pregnancy was amazing.
Like really all the things wentas well as they could, which I
feel very fortunate for I hadminimal symptoms.
It was a great pregnancy, greatdelivery, like everything went
very smoothly.
Throughout that whole pregnancymy husband joked about having
twins he's always wanted twinsand so he and our doctor had

(02:44):
this whole back and forth, likeoh, are you sure a second one's
not hiding in there, like thiswhole joke, and obviously it was
just one had our son and then,yeah, just before he turned one,
I found out I was pregnantagain and I was feeling pretty
terrible, like I was reallyreally nauseous, kind of all the

(03:06):
symptoms that you would expectum through pregnancy, and it was
way worse this time.
And they make you wait for yourfirst appointment.
It's not like you find outyou're pregnant and you go right
in Um, you go in around likeanywhere between nine and 11
weeks, like I think some doctorsdo it differently, but let it
develop, cause they can't reallydo anything until yeah you
can't hear much yet, likeeverything's so small and early.

(03:28):
So at that point you just kindof wait.
And then you go to that firstappointment and at my office you
go in with an ultrasound techfirst and then from there you go
in and see the doctor and so wego into the ultrasound room and
it was like 8 am.
No one else knew I was pregnantyet, except actually my boss at

(03:48):
the time, bryce, because I wasfeeling so terrible that I had
to tell him.
I was like I'm really early, butlike if I need to run to the
bathroom, that's why.
And so, yeah, we had our sonwith us, and so we were both
kind of like rushing Rory wasnot like having the best time.
And so we were both kind oflike rushing rory was not like

(04:08):
having the best time, and so wewere both a little cranky.
And so then they start theultrasound and we kind of
thought we knew that what wewere expecting.
And then the tech was like okay, like so has anyone talked to
you about twins yet?
And like my husband jumped offoff the seat.
I just start laughing.
I'm like no, this is our firstappointment, you know.
And so, yeah, it was a totalshock.

(04:31):
Um, twins don't really run inour families or anything so it
was not really in our minds apossibility and so, yeah, scott
was super excited, I was just intotal shock and couldn't really
stop laughing.
Um, and then they just kind ofroll into it like, okay, this is
the type of twins you have andthis is what to expect, and yada
, yada.
And then, um, that kind ofrolled into a lot of like extra

(04:54):
monitoring and things like that,but yeah, that would scare, me.
Totally unexpected.

Brett (04:58):
That's amazing.
Was Scott like pumped?
He's like wow.

Kate (05:01):
I.

Brett (05:02):
I, I foreshadowed this, I made it happen.

Kate (05:09):
Well, that was the joke.
Like everyone kept manifestingit and making jokes about it.
Like we had a friend at workwho had twins the year previous
and she kept saying like oh,because you feel terrible, this
time I bet it's twins.
And I called her and I was likehow did you know it's?

Brett (05:18):
so scary.

Kate (05:18):
So yeah, like a lot of our friends kept making jokes about
it, I don't know why it wassuch a topic of conversation,
and then it really did turn out.

Brett (05:25):
Yeah, Well, that scares me because, Allie, she says the
same thing.
She's like I feel like I'mgonna have twins on the first
one and I'm like that, in myopinion, is the way to go.
Yeah, I mean, that's the goal.
Having three under two is alittle insane, but I mean, I've
told you like watching mybrother and his wife go through
it.
Yeah, you get it, yeah they,you get it.

Kate (05:41):
I mean they're in war I always tell you, being an aunt
or an uncle who's like veryinvolved, you get honorary
parental it is.

Brett (05:48):
It is pretty fun and it makes me happy like every time I
see um little squish, she likejust brightens up and I'm like,
yep, yeah, I'm the favorite,let's go.
Yeah, so sweet it is nice, butthey're adorable.
Yeah, I mean, I think thatstory alone is insane, like just
hearing having to like dealwith twins and everything like
that.
But I think one thing thatreally just impresses me is the

(06:10):
fact that like you still show upto work and like you're still a
very professional woman andlike that's something that, like
I can imagine being hard tobalance.
Like being a mom being therefor the kiddos and then going to
work, like you know, providingthat kind of thing, and then
coming back and being a momagain, like that's a lot of work

(06:30):
.
That's got to be intense.

Kate (06:33):
It is.
It's definitely a lot.
Some days, you know, some daysare better than others, like
most things.
But yeah, it is a lot and Imean I can't say that we do it
flawlessly or effortlessly.
It takes a lot of effort and alot of helping hands.
So when you have the rightsupport around, it makes
everything else much easier.

(06:54):
Like we have wonderful helpthat are with the kids all day
while we both work, and then ithelps when you have support at
the office as well.
So I have, you know, greatresources around me there as
well and other working moms whowe kind of, can, you know, talk
about all the things.

Brett (07:12):
Yeah, just chat about what's going on, what they're
doing, how you can, you know,try that or whatever it is.

Kate (07:16):
Yeah, and luckily, like through both pregnancies and
through, you know, having thesekids like I've always had very
supportive leadership and youknow, so that's extremely
helpful as well, cause I don'tknow what I would do otherwise,
right.
You know, that's definitely arequirement if you're going to
have a successful somewhat of abalance.

Brett (07:34):
Yeah, yeah, and I think I mean it's.
It's amazing Like you're in theoffice on pretty much like
eight, 30 to nine every day, andthen you work a full day, go
back and, like you, you're ableto balance it really well and I
think it's something that's likethat's incredibly hard to do.
Like I talk about, um, I don'thave kids, so I'm just imagining
it but um, I talk about, like,how hard running is and things

(07:56):
like that which are difficult.

Kate (07:59):
That is hard.

Brett (07:59):
I've never been able to do that, so like like from a
physical standpoint it is toughand like mentally you have to be
bought in, yeah, but that hardalways.
Like I talk about chosen versusunchosen suffering.
And chosen suffering is like,okay, I'm going to go run a mile
, um, or I'm going to go andspend 30 minutes in the gym.
It's like you're trying to putyourself in front of adversity

(08:21):
so you can like, grow anddevelop.
And then unchosen is like youknow if a loved one dies or if
you know you get sick, likesomething like that.
That's life's going to test you, um.
And I talk about how there's abalance between you have to test
yourself, so when those lifetests comes, or they come like,
you are a little bit more readyto to manage them and to go
about them.

(08:42):
Um, and I'm not saying like kidsare suffering at all, but it's
difficult Like no, definitelythey present challenges.
Yeah, it's like challenges andthey, yeah, tests and that kind
of thing and um, the differencebetween that and running is
running eventually stops, butlike being a mom doesn't, and so
that's like I have a lot ofadmiration for moms who are able

(09:06):
to still like be a mom butstill get after other things,
Like.
My sister-in-law is a greatexample.
She will train for a marathonand she has three kids.
One of them is four, so youknow he's not three under three
Still that's a lot.

Kate (09:22):
They're wild, they're wild yeah.

Brett (09:26):
And that's the thing is, like she'll talk to my brother
and be like hey, okay, well, I'mrunning in the morning on
Saturday, like you take care ofthe kids, you can work out or do
whatever you need to afterwards, um, but she still has to like
build that into her schedule.
Yeah, and um, I think it's justlike it's.
It's one of the most admirablethings, because you're raising a
human, you're teaching them allthese like principles, right,

(09:46):
that you want them to grow upand and be, you know, a great
person for society and helpother people, right, yeah, um.
But yeah, I mean long, longanswer or a long question.
Here is a long story set up.
But how have you seen likeyourself grow with raising kids

(10:08):
and challenging yourself at likeyou know, professionally and
doing those kind of things Likewhat's that look like?

Kate (10:14):
Yeah, well, I think it's twofold.
I think you know your bandwidthto manage I don't know other
people's things like whateverthat is, whether it's their
baggage or if they'reencroaching on your boundaries
and you know you're comfortablewith a lot of things that when

(10:34):
you have kids, you suddenlydon't have the time or the
wherewithal to do that anymore.
And I'm very much like a peoplepleaser.
I want everyone else around meto be happy and um you know.
so I think a lot of those thingskind of come to a halt and
suddenly it's like okay, well,this is my priority now, like I
have my unit and I need to makesure they're taken care of.

(10:55):
And if, as a mom, you alsochoose to, you know, continue in
your career, then you also haveto have capacity for that.
And so your, your capacity forother things just dwindles down
because it all is being pouredinto, like those two cups,
basically, um, and you know,when you have people who go
along with that and are able toshow up and help, and you know

(11:17):
you still socialize, but you itjust looks different these days,
right, like so you, you justkind of shift how you go about
all of things.
And so I think for me that wasa big change of really kind of
building a new version of abackbone.
Yeah, because I was always justkind of like whatever everyone
else wants and whatever makeseveryone happy, and I'm just,

(11:39):
you know, here to support.
And then it became like, okay,well, now this is what I need.
And I had to kind of figure outhow to advocate for that Um and
communication, I think, withyour partner changes, like you
have to.
You know it's not just the twoof you anymore and figuring out
how to ask for help, or you know, as, like that example you just
shared, as a mom, you're oftenthe default parent in those

(12:02):
earlier years and, um, you know,know that changes and then you
go through phases and you knowwhatever, but, um, you do have
to kind of set those times foryourself or be able to say, hey,
like I need to.
I need an hour or that makessense.
I just need a shower um, so likeyou're on um, and so I think

(12:23):
some of those examples are waysthat, like, I've had to just
adjust my approaches, which Ithink has helped me grow and I
think will continue to happen,because you know, as your kids
grow, you're learning more.
Like we're all doing this forthe first time.
No one enters it as an expertknowing what to do in every
scenario, and so I think likethat's going to be something

(12:45):
that I continue to work on andlearn for myself, but it's been,
it's been interesting.

Brett (12:52):
Yeah, yeah, man, that's yeah.
That's crazy.
I mean, I have seen like thepeople pleasing side words like
you want everyone on the team tobe happy, kind of thing.
I wouldn't really call thatpeople pleasing, though, but I
think that's why I likedmanagement.

Kate (13:08):
I was able to help other people you know succeed and I
liked being able to focus ontheir successes and helping
everyone else win, because Ithink, like that feeds my cup,
like you know it helps.

Brett (13:22):
That's my favorite part too is like seeing everyone Like
if someone's struggling andthen they learn something and
then they start, like you know,that's my favorite part too is
like seeing everyone like ifsomeone's struggling and then
they learn something and thenthey start, like you know,
hitting quota or whatever.
Like that's always fun to seeand fun to watch.
Um, but I am curious because Ifeel like a team is a lot like a
group of kids.
How has um, being a parent likeat least influence your

(13:42):
management skills and your likestyle maybe is a better word um,
I think it helped me be alittle bit more straightforward.

Kate (13:50):
Um, I was I've always been able to deliver feedback in a
very like, friendly manner yeahbut I think a lot of times, if I
really had to deliver hardfeedback or have a hard
conversation, I would build itup so much in my head before the
conversation, which can also behard to admit, because it's

(14:11):
like, well, I'm in this position, like I should just be able to
do it.
You know I shouldn't be nervousto talk about it, but I think
after having kids, it did helpme to just be like.
You know, this isn't the hardthing, you know, like handling a
tantrum is a hard thing, orbeing up at 2 am is the hard
thing, and so I think it didhelp me to just kind of like

(14:32):
quiet that noise and be able tojust do it without having all of
that like nervous energy, andjust be a little bit more
confident in that, like I doknow what I'm doing, I know why
I have to deliver this feedback,be a little bit more confident
in that, like I do know what I'mdoing, I know why I have to
deliver this feedback, and Ithink it honestly made those
conversations a little bit moreproductive because there wasn't
so much lead up.
You know I'm still a prettyfriendly person, so I always

(14:53):
like to honor what people aredoing well and you know kind of
fold all of that into theconversation, but I think it
definitely helps.

Brett (15:00):
Yeah, I can't imagine you going into a meeting and be
like, hey, what the hell haveyou been doing?
You're terrible.

Kate (15:05):
Can't imagine that.
Yeah, no, not my style.

Brett (15:07):
Yeah, it's a balance.
I think you can be nice andstill give direct feedback.
Yeah, that was always somethingthat my brother have.
You read the book RadicalCandor?

Kate (15:15):
Yes, a long time ago, yeah , when we had our agency.

Brett (15:18):
That was one thing he made.
Read that book yeah and thenafter that, like this might be
throwing him under the bus alittle bit, but he was like so
overly direct to people that Ithink they got their feelings
hurt a little bit and a littletoo far.
Yeah, it wasn't like it wasn'treally balanced, but, um, you
know, it is what it is.

(15:39):
We were a startup, yeah, um.
But yeah, I think that'simportant, like to give just
clear, direct feedback in aconstructive way.
That's not like, hey, you, it'slike you have things that you
can improve upon.

Kate (15:48):
Yeah.

Brett (15:48):
And it's like I do that in coaching a lot, um, at least
with, like my brother and otherpeople who I work with, um, like
he'll come to me and be likeyou know, I'm I'm kind of
getting tired on the runs, likeI don't know what I'm doing and
I'm like, well, what's your foodlook like?
And then like we'll try andbreak it down.
And it's not like I'm coming athim from like a place of you

(16:08):
know I'm mad at him or anythinglike that.
It's more just like if you wantto be, you know, a great runner
, you have to do these thingsand it's like that's part of
your, your feeling process, likethat's how you do it.
Um, and I heard this quoteyesterday, actually from one of
my favorite podcasts and I wroteit down.
So I'm not going to get itwrong, because every time I try

(16:30):
and quote something on this,just like free will, it just
never works.
So I don't want to get it wrongon this one.
But they were talking aboutlike, believing in your dreams
and having people who alsobelieve in your dreams, like,
and what that means.
But here's this his, his quote.
He says one of my rules is youshould only take advice from

(16:52):
people whose dreams for yourlife are bigger than yours are,
and, um, I feel like you hadthat a lot as a manager, because
almost in every one-on-one andstuff, you're always like okay,
well, how can I like help you,how can I get you to the next
level, or anything like that.
We were always talking aboutprogression paths, um, and I

(17:12):
feel like if you come, like, ifsomeone needs direct feedback,
and you come from it like aplace like that, like hey, I
believe in this person, I'mgonna give it to them, um, and
hopefully they make some changes, like, like.
I think it's a very differentconversation than like oh, you
need to change or you're firedkind of thing.
Um, but yeah, I think that's onething that's been clear with,

(17:33):
like, working with you is everymember of the team like.
You want them to succeed, andso you would do anything you
could to really make that happen.

Kate (17:43):
Yeah.

Brett (17:44):
Has.
Have you always been like that?
Like, uh, you're trying to helpother people and see them grow.

Kate (17:50):
I think, yeah, it just has always looked different.
Um, I yeah, I was thinking thisactually on my way over here um
, that I do.
I love like being able tosupport and ideate with other
people, and how can I help yousucceed?
I have a friend right now who'sbuilding out a social media

(18:11):
plan for a new account thatshe's starting, that we want it
to be really big and we had kindof talked about it a few weeks
ago and now we're kind ofsharing ideas of content she can
put out there.
But I don't think I would everdo it for myself.
I like I love that she's doingit and I think it's amazing and
I think, like she a hundredpercent can build what like she

(18:32):
has her her mind on um, and.
But it's funny because I don'tthink, like if I was to start
something like that in my head,I'm like I don't think anyone
would want to like look at that,you know.
And so I think it's just that Iam here to help and build other
people and yeah, yeah.
So I think in elementary schoolI would work with this special

(18:55):
needs classroom and help themand put on plays and things like
that.
And then in high school I endedup being a captain on my
cheerleading squad and then incollege I was serving on the
council of my sorority, and so Idon't know, I think there's
different ways in which you kindof build up those skill sets
and, um, kind of find your pathon, like what you're meant to do

(19:20):
or what interests you.
And my interest just happens tobe working with other people
and helping them succeed, and I,you know, I've enjoyed that.

Brett (19:29):
Yeah.

Kate (19:30):
And so I don't know, does that answer that?

Brett (19:32):
I think that's that's.
That's awesome.
I think that's like a littledifferent.
Yeah, it's interesting becauseI've been thinking about stuff
like that too.
Like okay, well, where didthese traits come from in my
life?
A lot of it comes fromchildhood, but I think that's
cool.
That's a rare trait now Becauseeveryone's so focused on like

(19:58):
how can I make it?
Or like how can I, you know,make it?
Or like what can I do to youknow, make another million
dollars?
I don't know whatever thescenario is, but it's like a lot
of self-centered focus and, um,I mean, I'm kind of connecting
the dots now, but like, even asa mom, like you can't be
self-centered if you have to beserving the kids like that's,
that's your duty.
You're in Scott's duties to liketo raise the kids Right.
Um, hopefully, you know, Allieand I will have that same

(20:19):
opportunity soon.

Kate (20:20):
Absolutely.

Brett (20:21):
Um, but yeah, I mean it makes sense why, like in your
management skills, like as a mom, like you are the way that you
are?
Um, I think it's.
Yeah, that's a rare thing.

Kate (20:33):
But what um?

Brett (20:35):
yeah, what was a time because I'm thinking about this
now where, like, you didn't havethat confidence, like where you
, um, I guess, felt like youcould take a step on yourself or
take a step for yourself ratherthan help someone else.
Does that make sense?
Because you were talking aboutthe social media thing and how,
like, that's more for yourfriend, not necessarily for you

(20:57):
like you'll help with the ideas,um, but were you ever just like
, hey, I also want to see if Ican take a shot on myself, like,
take a chance yeah, I thinkhonestly, um coming to pattern
was like a big step in thatdirection for me um we should
talk about that a little bitlike the beginning days, because
it is a crazy story how youstarted that.

Kate (21:18):
Yeah, cause I was an individual contributor Um my
first role in the businessdevelopment world sales
development, whatever you wantto call it.
Um, I did not know what I wasbeing hired for.
I was going into a role.
It was at the time it wascalled a market development
representative.
Um, I was going into a role.

(21:38):
At the time it was called amarket development
representative and I assumed ithad to do with marketing of some
sort, and it was my first realexposure to a corporate job.
After college.
I had held a couple otherpositions like in sales admin or
sales assistant roles andthings like that, so my first
real like corporate interview,yeah.

Brett (21:59):
Real quick.
Did you graduate in business?

Kate (22:01):
Public relations actually.

Brett (22:02):
Oh, wow, okay, yeah, all right.

Kate (22:04):
Um, and so I knew I didn't want to do that by the end of
the degree.
I was kind of like I don't thinkthis is for me, but, um, I
definitely had like the peopleskills and I wanted to be, you
know, somewhat either likecustomer facing or, in this case
, prospect facing, where I wasable to have those like outward
conversations.
And yeah, so I interviewed andthe woman who interviewed me was

(22:27):
also from New England and so Iwas kind of like okay, I feel
like we have some sort ofconnection already and it worked
out.
But in the interview I rememberthey asked me like are you
comfortable on phones?
Like you know how's yourcommunication and organization?
And you know, looking back, itall made sense.
But I was kind of like oh,interesting questions for like a
marketing position, you knowwhat are you talking about?

Brett (22:50):
Am I going to be doing surveys Like?

Kate (22:52):
right, yeah.
So then I started out and mydad was kind of like you and
sales like this is interesting.
And it worked out.
I was like addicted to being atthe top of the leaderboard and
like exceeding my quota.
And you know, then I washelping to onboard new people to
our team and it just kind oflike snowballed from there.

Brett (23:12):
Yeah.

Kate (23:13):
And, yeah, then ended up in team lead positions along the
way and with Pattern it waslisted as a manager position for
the business development teamand through the interview
process they were, like you knowwe've been, we wanted a
director, but directors reallydon't want to manage.
Like, I think at the time therewas two people and when I

(23:34):
actually started it was down toone because someone else moved
into a different role.
And, um, you know, so everyonethat they were interviewing were
like well, I want larger teams,I want to manage managers.
And I was kind of like, well,I'm here and I have so much to
give, I have all this energy andI'm ready to, you know, help
build this out with you.
And so, you know, it worked out.

(23:55):
And that was kind of how I gotstarted into, like the
management path.
Um, outside of you know, beingin the team lead role, um, so,
yeah, that was a big step inthat direction of like I'm going
to put myself out there and trythis.
And um it.
Yeah, luckily it worked out.

Brett (24:15):
And it's opened up like, yeah, it's opened up tons of
doors.
I feel like, cause I mean, yourjob has, you know, progressed
over the years and gotten moreand more complex, but, um, I
think that's, that's a reallyimportant lesson for anyone out
there who's like you know I Idon't know if I will do well in
this, and it might seem scary atfirst or whatever Like you

(24:38):
might be trying to get intosomething new, like you with
business development and thatkind of thing, but like taking a
chance on yourself is important.

Kate (24:46):
Yeah.

Brett (24:47):
And I felt the same way Like when I moved up to Pattern
or moved up to Utah for Pattern,like I left my family and all
this stuff.
But I was like I just want togive it a shot, like see what I
can do, cause I always play Um,have you ever heard of fear
setting?

Kate (25:02):
No.

Brett (25:03):
So it's like it's a concept by Tim Ferriss.
It's like a big Silicon Valleyinvestor guy um, has a podcast
of himself, but like he talksabout this principle of fear
setting, which is, if you have agoal in mind and let's just for
this example, say like OK, Iwant to be the business
development manager pattern andI'm going to go for that
interview Then you sit down,you're like OK, what are the

(25:25):
worst things that can happen?
Like one, they say no, two, Iget the job, but I fail.
Like OK, and basically thewhole point of that exercise is
for you to say if these thingshappen, will I be okay?
And if the answer is yes, thenit's like why not?
Why not try?
Was there fear going into thatrole?

Kate (25:44):
Definitely.
I mean, at the time the salesorganization was pretty small
compared to a lot of otherestablished companies and
Pattern was already doing sowell, but the sales organization
, I think there were like fivesales reps at least in our
office and um, so I was meetingwith all like c-suite executives

(26:05):
for a manager position whichhad a lot of other corporate uh
entities would not really be thecase um, you'd be meeting with,
like other mid-level um leaders, and so, yeah, it was
definitely intimidating butreally exciting, because I had
been in an e-commerce marketingcompany previously and I loved

(26:25):
it.
I loved the field, I lovedtalking to those people.
As a consumer myself, I feltvery connected to it and so, in
knowing about pattern for acouple of years and just seeing
the success they were having, Iknew I wanted to be a part of
that and so, with that you knowanxiety or nervousness that came
with the interview process, theexcitement was there too of

(26:48):
like, if this works out, itcould be really really cool.
And turns out, it has beenreally really cool.
Yeah, it's been crazy to seelike the growth that we've
experienced and the successesthat we've seen and putting on
accelerate and all of these likereally exciting things.
Um, and I've met some wonderfulfriends that you know.
So really, in that example oflike this fear setting, um,

(27:12):
understanding the possibilitiesthat could be, I don't, I don't
think I even realized what thosepossibilities were because it's
been even bigger than Iimagined.
But yeah, it's been absolutelylike the coolest thing and I'm
very fortunate, you know, to beable to balance the two of being
a mom and I mean that's like,of course, my favorite title my

(27:34):
favorite part of my day, butthen when I'm at work and I, you
know, I'm able to be in thesemeetings and help solve these
problems and work with thepeople that we get to work with,
it's also really cool.

Brett (27:46):
It is awesome.
Yeah, it has been a fun journey.
I think I may have been talkingto you about the first
Accelerate that we had.
It was in like a hotel yeah,the Grand America.
And now it's like in a in thesalt palace.

Kate (28:02):
So it's like it's just grown a lot and it's it's been
fun to see.

Brett (28:04):
Yeah um, but I do have to our amazing events team yeah,
they are great, they do it all,all of them.
It's insane like they work forhours, like when that time comes
around.
It's like late nights I think Isaw something that they were up
to like 3 in the morning in theSlack channel.
I can't remember, but it isamazing what they do and they're
very organized.
Which is what I want to ask youabout is organization, because

(28:25):
I know we've talked about listsbefore, like having time blocks
in your calendar.
I remember when I first startedI was like I know what I'm
supposed to be doing but justdon't know when to do it.
Looking back now, it's likethat's such a dumb thing to
worry about.

Kate (28:42):
Well, it's easy to get lost in the sauce when you first
start out and you're managingpipeline and calls and emails
and all these different things.
And then you also have themeetings start to pop up.
So it's easy when you're firststarting out not to know how to
manage all of the differentthings, because in in college
and you know all these differentit's pretty easy.

Brett (28:58):
Yeah, it's like get it done by the same, so you don't
really have that.

Kate (29:01):
Yeah.

Brett (29:02):
Um, but I know you're very organized.

Kate (29:05):
Try to be.

Brett (29:05):
So how do you?
How do you go about likeorganizing your day?

Kate (29:10):
Well, time blocking for sure, I use my calendar for
everything, personal andprofessional, like when I have
to remember.
To I don't know, call like akid's doctor I put it in my
calendar like call to set thisappointment.
I last night had to turn myhusband's away and I had to turn
the sprinkler on and off.
I set timers for those.

(29:31):
Like I know that because mybrain is split into a lot of
different areas at this time inmy life like I need those
reminders.
I'm not someone who can justlike I will.
I don't know if you've seenthese reels and it's like kind
of the same idea of give a mousea cookie.
It's like give a mom a task,and so it's like, okay, I'll

(29:51):
just unload the dishwasher.
But then I go to put this awayand I realized this pot's dirty
and so I bring that over andthat reminds me that my
laundry's not done, and so thenthe things just keep going and
so then it takes you 10 hours tofinish emptying the dishwasher
because you just cause you weredoing everything else.
Yeah, so that's very real, LikeI don't know if people talk
about that.
It's very real, um, and I thinkit's the same with work and

(30:15):
stuff.
And so I just had to recognizelike I need these tools to help
me stay on task or to help me,you know, complete these things
on time.
And so I use my calendar forseriously everything, and I do
try to remind myself of like I'mfolding the laundry right now.
Finish folding the laundry andthen go on to the next thing,

(30:35):
but I do that with work too, oflike, okay, I'm going to
complete this task or thisproject or whatever it is,
remember to send that calendarinvite and you know, like,
complete the tasks.
And there was a few weeks agowhere we were just really busy
at work leading up to Accelerate, and outside of work we had a
lot of things going on and I wasstarting to kind of like let

(30:58):
that go and I lost my walletlike twice in one week and yeah
and just everything starts goingto chaos.
Yes, everything does and, likemy husband, had to be like are
you okay, like you need to takea deep breath, because, like
this is you know you're a littlechaotic right now and I was
like no, you're right, like Ireally need.
And I was like no, you're right, like I really need to just
take a breath and reset.

(31:19):
And just when you use the toolsat your disposal, it's amazing
what you can do.

Brett (31:24):
Yeah.

Kate (31:24):
But when you start to let those things, you're like no,
it's fine, it's fine.
Suddenly it's not fine.

Brett (31:29):
Right.

Kate (31:30):
And you're losing your wallet and your keys and
whatever else.
So, yeah, I think that's a bigpart of it, of like recognizing
the things that you can control,and if those are in place,
things will go a lot moresmoothly than if you're, you
know, just kind of like runningaround with your head cut off
and delivery groceries are anamazing service.

Brett (31:51):
That is nice.
I mean really.
Yeah, I mean we do before, yeah, we have a, we have a lot of
time, so we can still go and getthem, but when that time comes
for sure we will be doing that.

Kate (32:00):
It is.
I don't know what I would dowithout it at this point.
Well, I remember we really relyon it.

Brett (32:04):
I remember the early days of being a child and I don't
know, maybe like four years old.
That's a ballpark and it wasalways like a two-hour thing
because she had to go get thesethings for my brother and this
for my sister and this for mydad, and then the weekly
groceries it was just nuts.

Kate (32:21):
We have a shared grocery list that we share with myself
and our nanny and my husband,and so all of us can add.
So it's like, okay, well, whenthe kid's snacks run out while
she's working, so then I'm notlooking for it later on.
It's amazing.

Brett (32:36):
That is amazing.
Technology is the best.
That's great.
Um segue do you have any othertools that you use besides, like
your calendar notes, Like thosekinds of things?

Kate (32:45):
I love lists you just mentioned.
We've talked about that before.
I am a list girl.

Brett (32:56):
I write things down in my planner or on a just notepad at
home of like these are thethings I want to get done today,
and I love crossing them off.

Kate (33:02):
That is a huge reward.
So, yeah, definitely a list isa big one for me.
And then, I think, notsuffering in silence.
I use that as a management toolas well.
Like every time I'm onboardingsomeone or working through
someone who's having, just likeyou know, challenges to meet
quota, whatever it is, neversuffer in silence.

(33:23):
And so if, like, there's a lotof things that you need to get
done or things on your platethat you can share with someone
else, so if that is a teammate,a manager or your partner, um, I
think making sure to talk aboutit is helpful, because then
they can help remind you and youcan like hold each other
accountable of, like did you dothis thing, and so I don't know.
I think that's part of it Justkind of all harks back to that

(33:44):
communication piece.
But lists, I guess, are a wayof like communicating with
yourself.

Brett (33:48):
It's true.
I mean, yeah, I do the samething, Like have a notebook and
I do a little box instead of across through.

Kate (33:54):
So then every time I'm done.

Brett (33:55):
I have a notebook and I do a little box instead of a
cross through.

Kate (33:57):
So then every time I'm done, check mark yeah, that's it
.
Yeah, but um so satisfying.

Brett (33:59):
Yeah, it's the best.
Accountability is a big onethough.
Yeah, because, like right now,trying to make this thing with
getting after it to where, likeI post more content, talk to you
a little about, about this atwork, and it's kind of like
imposter syndrome again, um, andthen also like I just think

(34:20):
about people who know me, theysee it and they're like, oh,
he's doing this now like, oh man, yeah, I don't know like it's
funny, though, because I think alot of people have that right
yeah and.

Kate (34:27):
But when I see your content I'm like.
I am so proud of him forputting that out there like this
is so great to see, it's socool, and like I think it's a
great conversations that you'rehaving with the different guests
that you do you know, whatever.
So and maybe that again like itgoes back to I like just love
cheering other people on, but Idon't know like, and again, I
think if I did it I'd be likewhat no one wants to look at me,

(34:48):
but when, I see other people doit, I'm like yes.
So, like you know, hopefully youcan let go of that because I
think it's awesome.

Brett (34:56):
Well, yeah, it is tough, Like I feel like I always have
that.
But what's great is, like Ali'sthe one who's like hey, like
who cares, yeah, like just postit, like it doesn't matter, yeah
, and then she's always like theone that's holding me
accountable, like hey, did youpost something today?
Or like or, um, like I tell herI want to read and she's like do
you get any reading done or didyou get your miles in?

(35:16):
Like, whatever it is justhaving someone who's like
reminding you, um, to do thething that you want to, or
whatever it is that you needhelp with.

Kate (35:23):
Yeah.

Brett (35:24):
It's like don't suffer in silence.
Try and help other people reachtheir goals, and they'll do the
same for you.

Kate (35:29):
Yeah.

Brett (35:29):
Um, but it's interesting.
It's yeah, it's prettyinteresting, A hundred percent.
I did want to ask you about howyou remain present with your
kids Because we've talked about,like you and I, how you don't
want to be a screen family, likethat kind of thing.
Allie and I are very much thesame.
We don't want our kids to beexposed to like all the screens
and stuff and I've seen mybrother parent that same way and

(35:53):
it's like it's a night and daydifference compared to other
kids who have, you know, screensand you know there are that
might work for some parents anddon't want to shoot down that,
but like I think there issomething to one being present
with the kids and then to likeletting them play and that kind
of thing and have an imagination, but yeah.

(36:14):
Um more towards the firstquestion, like how do you like,
what do you do to stay presentwith the kids when you're with
them?

Kate (36:20):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's um, definitely easy.
You know, when we have accessto our email and our Slack and
our you know social mediaprofiles, whatever, to just like
pull that out or throw on youknow a show or whatever.
Um, and trust me, screen timeis a tool.
Like I, we don't have zeroscreen time in our house, but

(36:45):
when I need five minutes to,like, get dinner on the table or
, um, if it's a way for us tojust like sit and be calm, or if
someone's sick and you can't beout playing, you know, whatever
it is like.
There is a time and a place andand I do not claim to be like a
screen-free household formyself or our kids, but, um, I
try and use it as a tool, not asa crutch.
And when we're out in public,like, I want my kids to be

(37:06):
experiencing that and not be,you know.
Just we're not like out all thetime.
It's a little hard to get outof the house these days, but um
imagine, yeah um, I think youknow for us it's folding them
into our interest.
But then also, like I don'tknow, it's been really fun to
just like rory loves this, likechoo-choo train song, and so
instead of being like, oh, thisannoying song, I'm like woohoo,

(37:27):
like choo-choo, let's go.
Like so sing along and dance,and just like be silly and try
and put my phone down, because,of course, at the end of the day
, when I'm tired, I just want tolike scroll mindlessly, and you
know, of course, that that'ssomething we've been a little
bit conditioned into.
But with kids, like they justwant to play and they want to be
with you and they want to runaround outside with bubbles, and

(37:49):
so I think it's just if you letyourself be in those moments
and remember why that's fun forthem, it becomes fun for you,
and then it's like that's whatyou end up craving, instead of
being on your screen or puttingon a show for them.
And I think it's a lot easierin the summer, like now that
it's warm out too.

Brett (38:09):
It's the best.
It's so much easier, just likeall right shoes on get outside
yeah.

Kate (38:13):
And we're also fortunate we have a pool and so now we can
go swimming and they love thatand it's just being able to just
let yourself be is really it'sfortunate.
Not everyone has that ability,but I think that's it.
Just putting the phone down andbeing with them and whatever's

(38:34):
on there can wait.
You can call people back youcan respond later.
But that's why having help isthe best, because then working
hours are working hours.
Like you know, he knows, likemom's at work and you know, it's
a good delineation so that Ican focus when I need to, but be
off when I'm off.

(38:55):
You know, and I think we're ata company where family does come
first, like our founders arevery family centric people.
And so there's a lot ofunderstanding there, um where
I'm sure at a lot of othercompanies like that,
understanding doesn't exist.
And so that would be reallyhard of like.
Oh, you know you're expected toanswer the phone at 8 PM,
during bedtime.

(39:23):
You know that that's not anexpectation here, um, which is,
you know, great, and I thinkeveryone trusts us to be able to
respond when we can.
If you are tending to to familythings and needs, um, so I
think that's helpful.
But yeah, I don't know, I thinkjust you know, like we have a
lot of different interests, thatlike we want the kids to be
interested in, and like Scottloves planes and aviation and
warships and things like that,and now Rory loves looking at

(39:43):
pictures of warships and he haslike these airplane pamphlets
and he's like Dad, look at thisplane, and so that's like an
interest that they can share.
That is not, you know, relatedto a screen or things like that.

Brett (39:57):
You got to take them to Midway.

Kate (39:58):
I know that is so cool.
Yeah, they just went and touredthe Lexington in Corpus Christi
.

Brett (40:03):
Texas yeah, yeah, yeah, you were telling me that
actually.
Yeah.

Kate (40:06):
So he got to sit in some different planes and things like
that.
So he was like in absoluteheaven.
That's so cool.
Yeah, he loves Dusty CropHopper Really.

Brett (40:16):
Yeah.

Kate (40:16):
There we go.
He's a big fan of Planes, themovie.

Brett (40:20):
Yeah, Allie and I watched that for like first time not
too long ago.

Kate (40:23):
It's so cute he loves.
Dusty yeah, big fans.
So again, like that, you knowwhen he wants to watch a movie.
We'll do like 15 minutes.
Yeah, okay well, and then youget that movie for a whole week.
You know, yeah, that's perfect.
I mean, why not?
Yeah, so anyway, I don't know.
I think it just comes down tobeing able to really like.
You know, you kind of have toswitch gears.

(40:44):
When you're not um with yourkids all like all day, every day
, um, you have to kind of switchthat mindset um, which can be
hard.

Brett (40:52):
But I was gonna ask you is do you find that to be hard,
like turning off the work brainwhen you get home?

Kate (40:57):
Some days, or the mom brain when you get to work.

Brett (40:59):
Yeah, I feel like that would be the harder one to turn
off.

Kate (41:01):
It's definitely more difficult, like it's fun I mean
my kids like they love our nanny, which we're very grateful for,
and we love her too.
But it's easier when you'releaving and they're already
having fun and he's like bye,mom like I'm gonna have fun, you
know, and of course, it's sadto leave.
That seems it's like, well, Ijust want to play with you too.

(41:22):
But it does make entering thework day easier to be like okay,
now, this is what I'm going togo focus on and I know they're
in good hands.
Um, but on the flip side, whenyou have a hard morning and he's
crying because you're going towork, or saying no, no, like
mommy, don't leave, or whatever,like that's a lot harder of a
switch.

Brett (41:41):
It's got to be tough.

Kate (41:42):
Not every day is the same, but I know like when I leave,
at the end of the day I kind ofgo through a mental checklist of
like okay, what am I doingtomorrow and did I complete all
the things today?
And oh, just, you know, finishsending this calendar invite.
And it kind of goes back tousing those tools of like finish
the things that you're doing sothat on my way home, yeah, I
can kind of like get excited tobe with my kids and like shift

(42:04):
into that and absolutely playthe choo-choo train song on your
way home you're like let's go,just get pumped getting into
thisum, yeah, it's my new hype song,
but yeah, so I don't know.
I think it all kind of likeebbs and flows and I'm sure
everyone has different ways ofdoing it, but for me, like that,
those kinds of liketransitional periods kind of can

(42:27):
impact the other Um, and so themore smoothly all of that runs
like, the better.
Um, and it is a little nice.
You know, I used to have like aseven minute commute before
kids and I was like this isamazing.
I can like go home during lunchor I can, you know, just get
right home and go into whateverI need to do.
But now in our house, where nowit's about 20 minutes to the

(42:49):
office and it's kind of theperfect time to like give
yourself a little bit ofdecompression time before
jumping into like well, it's fun, or whatever the chaos that
ensues with kids, um and likegetting dinner ready and just
jumping into that, and so thatway, like if I do think of
something else that I forgotthroughout the day, or something
I need to message someone, Ican like make myself a note or

(43:11):
you know, whatever it is, yeah,add to the list.
Yeah, add it to the list.

Brett (43:14):
Exactly.

Kate (43:15):
Yeah.

Brett (43:17):
What's a lesson that you hope your kids learn from you?

Kate (43:21):
Oh, a lesson they learn from me.
I'm big on kindness, which justyou know.
I think if they can take thataway of like be kind to others,
I mean that's so basic, but I dothink it is so important.

Brett (43:38):
I did see a sign yesterday.
Allie and I were driving on thefreeway and it said if you can
be anything, be kind.

Kate (43:44):
Yeah.

Brett (43:44):
I was like that's a good quote.
Yeah, why not?

Kate (43:47):
Why not?

Brett (43:48):
You know, it's not that hard.

Kate (43:49):
It's getting harder and harder.
Well, yeah, I guess that's trueIn today's world, like you know,
people can be jerks yeah, thatis the hard heads down in our
computers and all in our phonesall day, and, like I think that
human interaction, it getsharder and harder to have
patience for people and, um,sometimes, though, if you're
able to zoom out, yeah, and belike you know, everyone really

(44:12):
generally has good intentions,um, but I think the more you
experience, the bad intentions.
I don't know, it's hard, and soI think if I can just remind
them that, like it, it's good tobe kind, but also stand up for
yourself and like, have your ownboundaries and, um, you know, I

(44:32):
think that's important too andso, like it really is all a
balance.
but as long as you have a goodsupport around you and you
choose the right people to bewith, then you know, the rest
feels a little bit lighter.
Yeah, so I don't know.

Brett (44:48):
No, I would.
I think that's a great lesson.
I'm sure it'll change as lifegoes on.

Kate (44:51):
Right now I'm like oh, you're also cute and innocent
and fun, and so it's easy to saythat, um, but I also want them
to be able to work hard, and youknow, know that things don't
just land in your lap.
That's a big part of it too, um, and you know.
So I want to be able to providefor them while they're also

(45:11):
learning to provide forthemselves and they learn
responsibility, and, um, youknow that that's a big part of
growing up.

Brett (45:18):
It's huge, it's a huge one, but it it like you said it
growing up?
It's huge, it's a huge one, butit it like you said it?
It's a rare trait now to to bekind, and usually there's no
downside for being kind.
You're not going to get anynegative consequences from that,
unless, I don't know, you'rebeing too kind to the guy.

(45:39):
That's like threatening you,then maybe you will.
But like, yeah, you need tolearn how to stand up to
yourself and hard work is crazyimportant.
Like you need hard work, youneed persistence and you need to
learn how to be resilient, likewhen challenges come up and
yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kate (45:54):
Resilience is huge for sure.
It's.
It's not always easy for peopleto like keep going you know,
when you get knocked down andall different challenges pop up
and you have to, you know, facethem to the best of your ability
.

Brett (46:08):
Um, but then keep going and you have to just like keep
moving it is hard.

Kate (46:13):
Yeah.

Brett (46:14):
Has there been a time where you have had to be
resilient as a parent?

Kate (46:18):
Oh yeah.

Brett (46:20):
I'm sure yeah.
Um as a parent, I don't reallyknow so like that could have
been, just like every day peoplelistening there.
Like Brett, that was thedumbest question I could have
heard you say.

Kate (46:29):
I mean, I think it shows in a lot of different ways,
because kids are always testingyou, especially once they're in
that toddler phase and you know,it kind of is up to you to
figure out how you teach thatlesson, and then also when
you're ready to just resolve itand help, because they're still
learning how to manage these bigemotions and things like that,

(46:51):
and that's when that balancebetween partners comes in of OK,
well, this is the things thatI've tried, and the tantrum is
still going on.
And so then we just had thishappen.
Um, it was like after myhusband had taken our son on
that trip and he had the time ofhis life, but then, coming back
into our normal routine, he wastired, he was his like timing

(47:12):
was off because of um being in adifferent time zone, and he's
like this sucks, there's noplanes around, right?

Brett (47:17):
It's like this is so boring.

Kate (47:19):
Um had been like wrestling with dad and his buddy all
weekend.
So then he was like trying towrestle his one-year-old sister,
and I'm like you know yeah,it's not going to work.
So suddenly we're back into ournormal and he's not so far a
very tantrum-y kid, like ofcourse they pop up here and
there, but for the most parthe's pretty even-keeled.

(47:40):
And that week, because of hisexhaustion and just timing,
whatever, all of those thingscompiled was like a big change
on his system and so he washaving more tantrums and I was
like, trying everything in mytool belt, I'm like, okay, kind
you know, give me a hug, let mehelp you calm down.
Like, are you hungry?
Do you need water?
Okay, well, this isn't working,you need to go calm down in

(48:01):
your room, whatever.
And then I'm like, okay, I'vetried everything.
Like you need to go in there.
And so scott goes and he's like, oh, he just needed a hug.
I'm like, oh, I gave him a hugyou know, um, but I think that
balance of like, you have tohave resilience and you can't
take it personally becausereally it like has nothing to do
with you right um, and thenknow, I think that balance of

(48:23):
just figuring out when to tapsomeone else in or whatever is
helpful, but then being able togo into the next day of like,
okay, hopefully there's none ofthose today, because every day
there's going to be somethingdifferent and you have to figure
out how to manage it for thatkid.
So, yeah, I don't know, andthen also tend to the things

(48:44):
that you need to tend to thatare not child related.

Brett (48:47):
I mean, that's that's getting after.
In a nutshell, showing up everyday and still like trying to
have the best attitude whiledoing it and I'm sure sometimes
that's hard, like maybe youdon't get a good night's sleep
or you know, works reallystressful and, um, I think it's
just like really, reallyadmirable and that's one thing.
Like moms don't get enoughcredit, I don't think, um, you

(49:09):
know, we could do a lot betterwith like supporting moms.
Um, just like, from seeing myown sister-in-laws and sister go
through it Like it's I don'tknow like, especially with like
professional stuff too, like wecould definitely support them
better.
I think England gets like ayear right, oh yeah.

Kate (49:24):
There's a lot the US could be doing for maternity leave
for sure, unfortunately, but Ithink do with what you have and
make the most of it.

Brett (49:37):
Yeah.

Kate (49:38):
And the time that we get with our kids, it does fly by.
I cannot believe I have a twoand a half year old, nevermind
twins, after that.
Like it just kind of, if youzoom out, it's like how are we
already here?
It's crazy, right.
But then when you're in thethick of it, it's like easy to
get frustrated and stuff.
Like you know, no one's perfect, we're all just still humans

(49:58):
and figuring it out day by day.
Um, but ice cream helps, andwine.

Brett (50:03):
Hey, there you go, A little bit of ice cream a little
bit of wine, sit back.

Kate (50:07):
You know it, it definitely helps.

Brett (50:09):
Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, I I think what you're doing is
amazing, like both a pattern,both as a mom, and, um, yeah, I
think it's just.
It's a great example of whatyou can do if you do push
yourself, and you obviously doin many ways.
So, yeah, I think it embodiesthe getting after it mindset.

Kate (50:29):
We're trying Getting after it Well.
I'm proud of you and it's greatthat I get to have a friend
like you to help support me Wellalways.

Brett (50:40):
That's why we're all here to support each other and help
each other out.
Anything else, that's that's.
I mean.
That's uh, why we're all hereto support each other and help
each other out.

Kate (50:45):
So, um, anything else, anything else, you know, we
didn't actually talk abouttaylor, which is shocking.
But didn't?
Yeah, I think I let in withthat last time yeah, but taylor
I mean, if you haven't well beenbrought up to date on the
latest news she has bought backall of her original work oh, so
she's, she's totally good now.
Yeah, so we're very happy forTaylor Swift that is cool and

(51:07):
that's crazy.

Brett (51:08):
I learned that studios do that.
What's the guy's name?
I don't know if you ever sawthis guy who is kind of a
redneck dude.
He sang one song on TikTok andit went super viral and then he
wrote all his music.
Oh cool, but anyways, oliveranthony, that's his name, okay,
but he like got all these recordcompanies calling him like hey,

(51:32):
we'll give you seven milliondollars, like, and this guy's
like, oh well, I should do thatright, like that's a huge amount
of money.
And joe rogan's like I guess hecalled him and he's like don't
do it, like, don't sign anything.
They're pretty much gonna stealmoney from you, like royalties
are where it's at and they'regonna have all of them, um,
anyways.
So he didn't do that and hejust like published his own

(51:52):
music and he like got super big.
Turns out he's getting adivorce and his wife wants
everything, but anyways oh, nostory so I didn't know music
studios did that like yeah

Kate (52:04):
that's crazy and I think along like a while back, like it
was kind of normal or somethingI don't know, but in um all of
the upheaval with, like um thechanging hands of taylor's music
and um how her contracts werewritten when she was younger
yeah it.
It just sparked a much largerconversation, it seems.

(52:24):
It's crazy.
Yeah, so a lot of artists arebeing more aware of making sure
that they own their masters.
they call them and like all ofthe lyrics and the music videos
like all of that goes with it,and so, anyway, yeah, she was
re-recording all of those sothat she, you know, had her own.
We called them, or called themtaylor's version.
Yeah, um, and so all of herfans were only listening to

(52:45):
those versions, to give you knowthat's fair them their, their
time, um, but she just was ablebecause of the eras tour and,
yeah, all of that she was doingextremely well, and was able to
buy them all back and it's crazy.

Brett (52:59):
Do you know how much she paid for all of it?
I?

Kate (53:00):
think, think it was $350 million.

Brett (53:03):
That's insane, that is crazy, I think $350.
Holy cow.

Kate (53:07):
Yeah.

Brett (53:08):
But she'll probably make tons of money off that now.

Kate (53:11):
I hope so, because now you know, I hope that whatever
royalties are attached and allof those things like she owns it
all now.
So you know, I think, for sureyou know, and she's doing all
right.

Brett (53:23):
She's doing all right.
Well are they?
Uh, are her and Travis Kelseygetting married?
I mean as much as.

Kate (53:32):
I'd love to.
I'm not actually friends withTaylor Swift, unfortunately, um,
so I don't know.
The rumor mill is always going.
I hesitate to ever say anythingas matter of fact when it comes
to Taylor because she is justfull of surprises and I think
when she's ready to tell usabout her love life she will.
But I think they are just happyas can be and are just adorable

(53:54):
.

Brett (53:55):
They're so cute.
I keep telling Allie, if anopportunity ever comes up, to be
her pilot.

Kate (54:00):
No, seriously, Allie, we need you to fly Taylor Swift
around.

Brett (54:05):
I mean, I could quit my job.
I could make my content as badas I want it to, don't need to
make money off of it.
She'd be good.

Kate (54:12):
Good for life.
Yeah, no, that is a great dreamthat I'm happy to support.

Brett (54:17):
Yeah, we'll make it happen.

Kate (54:19):
Yeah, we need to have her.

Brett (54:20):
Networking, we'll network , we'll network up the chain.

Kate (54:23):
Yeah, gotta get there.

Brett (54:25):
Yeah, so good.
Taylor's great Karma's stillone of my favorite running songs
.

Kate (54:29):
It's so good.

Brett (54:29):
It's a great one.

Kate (54:30):
Yeah.

Brett (54:31):
But okay, honestly, I appreciate you coming back on.

Kate (54:37):
Give me a second chance to record this.
I think it's wonderful andyou're doing a great job, so
thank you for having me.

Brett (54:43):
Always.
Well, you know that's.
Uh, the point of this is tohave people on to share their
stories and what they're doingto get after it, and you got a
lot that you're doing, so Ithink it's it'll be a good
episode, yeah.

Kate (54:54):
And I would say you know, like, if there's ever anybody
who wants to talk aboutmotherhood, talk about work, any
of those things like, connectwith me on LinkedIn, I'm happy
to have those conversations.
I think it's nice to be able to, you know, just talk about it
and hear someone else'sperspective.
So I learned from working momsall the time.

Brett (55:11):
I mean great person to learn from, if that's you.
So thank you.
Well, appreciate everyone forlistening today and, as always,
keep getting after it.