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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (01:02):
Out of the tree of
life.
I just picked me a plum.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Welcome to Healers
Talk Healing.
That musical interlude you justheard is the sounds of our
truly exceptional guest, amberWeeks, an American jazz
recording artist whose melodiousvoice has been described as a
gift from heaven.
Born and raised in a musicallyrich environment in Los Angeles,
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amber absorbed the eclecticsounds of jazz legends from a
very young age, influenced bythe cultural and musical
heritage of Harlem, where herparents once served musical
giants like Duke Ellington andLena Horne.
Amber was destined to followthese melodious footsteps.
Her latest endeavor, a Ladywith a Song, amber Week
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celebrates Nancy Wilson, is notjust an album.
It's a heartfelt tribute to thelegendary Nancy Wilson,
exploring the deep connectionsbetween storytelling and healing
through music.
Amber's music is a bridge tothe past, celebrating the
history and the emotional depthof the jazz greats who
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influenced her, while alsoserving as a personal narrative
that connects deeply with herlisteners.
Beyond her captivatingperformances, amber is deeply
engaged in the healing arts.
Mentored by Reverend LynnHarrod-Divergis, this training
has woven seamlessly into hermusic, allowing her to craft
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performances that do more thanentertain they heal, they soothe
and they inspire.
Each note Amber sings isinfused with an understanding of
music's power to heal the heartand uplift the spirit.
Join us as we delve into theworld of Amber Weeks, where each
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performance is a story, eachsong a remedy and every note a
step on a path to deeperemotional resonance.
Today, amber will share how herunique blend of musical
heritage, personal inspirationand dedicated to craftsmanship
makes her a music beacon ofhealing and hope.
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Well, you know, it's exciting tohave this conversation with you
, amber, because it's going tobe a little bit different from
the conversations I usually have.
I'm usually speaking withpractitioners and holistic, what
we call the holistic heroes,those that are trained in
providing a different type ofhealing space.
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But you also, you know, know,we were talking about this
before.
Of course, we always have ourpreamble people you're listening
, where you know, we just don'tget on and not know each other a
little bit.
Um, we were talking about howmusic is healing and the care
and and the thought that you putinto the music that you choose,
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how you create your list, howthat all works, and I'd really
love for people to get to knowwhat that process is and how
it's been for you and whatyou've seen.
You shared so many wonderfulstories when we were getting to
know each other before and Ireally wanted to capture
specifically that one story.
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I think you were in New Yorkand there was someone who really
resonated with what you weresinging and then said something
to you and you're like no, no,I've created the flow here.
I know what's gonna happen.
I know the journey that I'mtaking you on is you watch as
people heal through music andyou know, I know I'm rambling a
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little, but I said this to youbefore and I do believe that
music is life.
It's it it.
You know when I think ofcertain tracks, when certain
music comes on you're on the I'mgoing to say the radio, cause I
still listen to the radio inthe car Not everybody does, but
I'm still a radio listener inthe car and you hear something
from a time in your life and itevokes something and I do
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believe music does heal.
So, with all of that said, I'mgoing to hand it off to you.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I'm gonna hand it off
to you now, okay, good.
So, oh, wow.
So I kind of want to back up alittle bit, um, in this step
that we talked about before.
But I think, you know, we'reall divine creations and to
create is divine, and so I thinkyou, you know, that's the first
thing for me to understand, andso when I hear a piece of music
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that touches me in a way, I sayit's the divinity inside of you
know, that creation, channeledthrough another artist, that
then, you know, goes straight to, you know, my heart chakra, and
then, you know, maybe, to thesecond chakra, where, you know,
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creation occurs, and so, um,that's the first piece of it.
It's got to hit me another way.
So then I can then, in fact,you know, be divinely inspired
to then, you know, bring forwardsomething that's going to touch
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else, um, and so when I'mputting a show together, I'm
very aware of the journey fromthe very beginning, right?
And so when I put the showtogether, like the first, the
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first two songs specificallyhave to be.
There's a better word thaninvitation, but right now I
can't think of what it is, butthe invitation to have somebody
join me on my journey and intomy space so that we can have a
communal experience, and so thespecific thing that you're
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talking about is um, there's asong on my new album called
suppertime, um, that has aparticular history, um, and when
people listen to, what I'veactually infused the history of
the song into, I've infused thehistory of the song into the
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song in a spoken piece that I dotoward the end of the song.
I don't know that I want togive it all away.
I think I'd rather have peoplehave the experience of the song,
but it definitely.
You know the song, all of thesongs, are going to take you on
a journey that's going to takeyou to a particular place.
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I performed the song live a fewtimes and actually had the
experience of watching peoplecry in front of me while I'm
singing the song.
And so in this particularsituation in New York there was
a woman sitting in front of meand I finished the song and she
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looked up at me and she saidwell, I'm sad, you have to make
me happy now of the, the show Iwas very aware of and I think
there's a responsibility as anartist if you're taking somebody
on a journey, that you kind ofhave to take them through a
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number of different emotions andthought patterns and and and
whatever else.
Otherwise you're just kind ofkeeping them in one place and I
don't know that there's ahealing that can take place.
But I think if you allow peopleto have the range of their
emotions inside of inside of amusical experience, it's
beneficial.
It's much more beneficial tothem and more healing so.
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I had set up.
I had set up the show so that,like, right after that, there's
a song that's very humorous,somewhat ridiculous, does make a
social commentary about womenand youth, and I'll leave it
there, ok.
And so it was like I tookpeople from that moment of
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really considering a very darkmoment, right, and then taking
them into this ridiculoussituation and people are busting
up laughing right.
And I don't know somebodyelse's journey.
What I do know, and I thinkthat Wendell Pierce I'm a huge
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fan of Wendell Pierce's, so ifyou don't know who he is, I'm,
I'm sorry for you, but he's awonderful actor and he's
extremely talented and veryversatile and I've had the
pleasure of seeing him ontelevision a number of times and
movies, and I actually was inNew uh when he was doing Death
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of a Salesman and um, just, Ithought it was extraordinary and
very moving.
But he wrote a book called theWind in the Reeds and in the
book he talks about um actingspecifically.
But I think this is true forany kind of an art is, the more
you allow yourself to bevulnerable, the more universal
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the experience is for youraudience.
And so, um, for me, when I'mperforming, I need to open
myself, in a way, to my ownhumanity, to my own
vulnerability, to the creativepiece of me that is divine, to
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then give it to somebody else.
So you know, whatever theirjourney is, you know, hopefully
something that I'm providingresonates in their space to
shift something for themresonates in their space, to
shift something for them.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
When you're sharing
this, it's reminding me of the
thought process that I put intowhen I'm creating retreats.
You know you're taking yourpeople on a journey and, yeah,
you're going to get to the placewhere you want them to open up
and feel something in order toheal.
You said it right it helps youto open up and it takes you on a
to heal.
You said it right it helps youto open up and it takes you on a
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.
You're going on a journeysomewhere and the hope is that
you leave them in a better spacethan when they arrived,
whatever that may be lookinglike for each individual.
And yeah, when you were sharing.
I'm like, oh, that's, it's kindof what we, we do as healers
when we're working with someoneproviding that space.
You're providing this, thisjourney and a space's.
It's kind of what we, we do ashealers when we're working with
someone providing that space.
You're providing this, thisjourney and a space, and it's
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just, you know, it's fabulous,because I don't know necessarily
if people know that that'swhat's going on, and I'm sure
many, many artists are actually,you know, have that in the back
of their mind when they'recreating.
Whatever it is, um, for forpeople, it is providing some
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sort of feeling, some sort ofyou.
What you actually said that hitme was the vulnerability piece.
The piece, like music, allowsus to feel feeling safely.
Yes, yes, whether you're in aconcert hall or you're in your
car or you know, wherever youhappen to be, it's like a safe
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place because you get toverbalize.
So you, as the artists, areverbalizing something perhaps me
, as the listener, hasn't beenable to connect to, and it just
allows that and, and I think,for our listeners to understand
that you know, maybe if you'renot ready to speak to someone,
maybe if you're not ready to bein a group, but putting on
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something that will, as you said, touch and inspire you and open
up a place for you to be okay.
I remember when my father passedaway, every time I had to drive
by the hospital where he passedto get to work and there was.
I don't know why this song wasthe one that was like I needed
to hear it because I needed tocry and I wasn't allowing myself
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to do it, and it was Fergie's.
Big girls Don't cry, oh yeah,or good girls, big girls, or
good girls, whatever, don't cry.
And as soon as I'm like no, I'm, I know I'm repressing it and I
need to release it before I getto work and supervise a bunch
of people and put a smile on myface and and it's well, I want
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to say thank you, because youare the artist that's in front
of me right now to allow us tohave those private moments when
we're not ready to show upsomewhere in public and or you
can't.
You know you're in the workenvironment and it's not the
most acceptable place to bevulnerable at that time when
something's happening.
Something's happening, so toknow that the responsibility you
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take and you hold um bringingyour own vulnerability and
allowing that for others toprovide that healing spaces is
very special thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Thank you for that,
well, thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
You know, what I'm
interested in as well is how has
music helped you in yourjourney?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Oh man, so many
different ways.
You know, you know a lot ofwhat you're talking about in my
own experience of listening toyou're talking about, in my own
experience of listening to otherartists myself and something
just pardon the pun hits a chordwith me.
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You know.
It gives me a moment tocontemplate.
I do, I'm a trained meditatorand I have taken courses in
healing from Reverend Lynn um it.
It makes it how can I say thisexactly For myself as a listener
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?
It does take me on a certainjourney.
You know, and you know the thething about having recorded
music is that you can chooseyour journey in that moment.
Right, it's like if, forinstance, I want to be
sentimental and sad andreminisce about something and
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you know, like, go deeper into alayer of grief over a
relationship, that's, oversomebody I'm missing or someone
who's passed away or whatever,you know, I can pick the song
that reminds me of that personand allow myself that moment, or
three minutes, or five minutesof grief, you know.
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And at the same time, if Ireally want to be an amusement
and enjoy, I can, you know, Ican, you know, give that to
myself as a listener and then asa singer.
You know the things that I Imean.
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There's certain songs I'llnever sing.
You know, like a song calledMean to Me.
You know it's like mean to me,why, why, you know, why must you
be mean to me?
Well, I'm really not interestedin inviting that into my space
you know um, but there there'ssongs that hit me in such a way
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where whether it's somethingthat's very happy- you know, and
I want to bring that energyinto my space so then I can
share it, you know, with anaudience, right?
Those are, those are thingsthat.
That happened for me, you know,and fortunately my repertoire
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is fairly broad.
And so there are times when, forinstance, one of my albums that
I did was something tocelebrate my father, but like,
right in the heart, in the verycenter of the album, there are
three songs that are very, very,very specific to my memory of
my father.
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Right, and so if I want theaudience to have the experience
of my, my experiencing myfather's memory, right, and they
can do with it what they want,right, but I, I will open myself
to that.
And then there are days when Idon't want to do that, you know,
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I want to do something else,but then I can evoke other other
things.
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Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, Thank you for
that.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Just, you know, I
find it, I find it fascinating.
I find what we choose, themusic that, for instance, the
type genre that you choose tosing, it must mean something to
you.
You know, instance, the typegenre that you choose to sing.
It must mean something to you,you know, because you sing jazz.
And oh, I got some snippets andthey're beautiful, beautiful.
So we will share a snippet,just a tease.
(19:02):
You'll you'll hear if youlistened to the introduction.
You'll hear it in theintroduction and you'll hear it
at the end as well.
We will leave a snippet for thelisteners, because your new
album is being released in June,correct?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Actually we've moved
up the date.
Oh, okay, there's a singlerelease Wasn't it Wonderful?
Which to me is a song of justpure joy, and so that's going to
be released around Mother's Day, and then the album, the full
album, will come out shortlythereafter.
Okay, all right, aroundMother's Day, and then the album
, the full album will come outshortly thereafter.
Okay, all right, um the album isum, it's called um A Lady with
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a Song.
Amber Weeks Celebrates NancyWilson, and Nancy Wilson was a
wonderful vocalist with a verybroad um catalog.
So, um, I was going to say moreabout that and I don't remember
what.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I was going to say
more about that and I don't
remember what I was going to sayI am laughing because I totally
understand and if it comes upwe'll talk about it later.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, yeah, so, yeah,
so it's yeah, but you asked me
a specific question.
Would you mind asking me thatquestion again?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, I have to
remember what that question was,
but you know what actually.
I'm going to ask anotherquestion.
Sure, why jazz music?
What is it about music?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
That's a long answer.
I'll try to make it short andlong.
Okay, good, good, that's a longanswer.
Um, I'll try to make sure.
Okay, good, good.
So what I would say is um, in,in many ways it's, it's the
music of my, my parents, history, um, most most especially my
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dad.
Um, my parents are New Yorkers.
My mother was originally bornin Jamaica, but she spent like
from eight until 18.
She was in New York and myfather was born and raised there
.
My grandparents, my father'sparents, had a diner in New York
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that was quite literally aroundthe corner from Duke
Ellington's house, and so myfather would serve Duke
Ellington fried egg sandwichesafter his gigs in the middle of
the night, two o'clock in themorning.
He served in Duke Ellington,and so it was just, it was like
part of their fabric, part oftheir tapestry.
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Um, and so I heard, I heard alot of music as as um, as I was
growing up.
But I think the thing about jazzis um, especially with certain
artists like Nancy Wilson, uhson, uh, like oscar brown jr.
Um ella fitzgerald, sarahvaughn, frank sinatra, I mean I
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go on diane carroll, and peopledon't realize that diane carroll
started as a singer and she'sprobably in a lot of ways, my
biggest influence Wow, they toldstories and my parents told
stories and the melodic sensethat's inside of jazz, just
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because it was I think part ofit is because it was there.
It was like learning the wordsthat I use to speak and speaking
in the way that I do.
It was just part of that.
We also were um raised aroundjazz musicians and so it was.
It was just kind of in the air.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
So you know, yeah,
you said something.
You know what's interestingabout the storytelling piece?
Um, because I think that's soimportant, because our life is
full of stories, like when weteach our children, when we're
talking, when we're nostalgic,we're always telling these
stories.
And that healing aspect oftelling a story whether you're
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telling it for the first time oryou're telling it for the 10th,
millionth time, and then to putmusic to it, I think it gets
lands a little bit deeper yes,absolutely jazz music kind of
makes that happen.
You know, it's like when youhave that, when I'm feeling
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moody, that's when I'll put somejazz on because I'm like I need
to feel deeper.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, absolutely, absolutelyit's.
I it's.
It's beautiful and, yeah, thestories that get told in in
music are meant to heal.
I was just thinking about youknow, when I was, when I was
asking you about what happenedin New York, and I started
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thinking about, well, all theecstatic oh gosh, I don't even
know how to say the word but allthe dance that happens inside
of, like EDM, and all thehealers they go and do those big
ecstatic oh, my goodness, Ican't say the word.
They go and they go into thesebig fields and they dance and
they listen to music and theyhave songs at certain
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frequencies.
Did you incorporate any of thatkind of thought process in the
music that you choose aboutfrequency and and um, and like
any of that or like alternativethought?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
that's an interesting
question.
I I don't know that I did on aconscious level, I would say,
certainly subconsciously.
It's there, um, and as you'retalking about storytelling, um,
I think about how I resonatewith Oscar Brown Jr and the way
that he had an ardence telling astory, um, that was just very
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profound, because he almostspeaking, singing, you know, but
he, I keep thinking about thissong, so I feel like I need to.
It's in my head, so I feel likeit needs to come out.
Okay, there's a song called thesnake that my mom, mom, my
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sisters and I were in the carand we were kids and my parents
had just split up, so my motherwas in a particular mood and and
um, the song the snake came onand she made us stop what we
were doing to listen to the song.
And um, it was written by andoriginally recorded by, oscar
Brown Jr, who's just his art ofstorytelling is unsurpassed to
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me.
But it's, it's an obvious story, you know it's.
The woman is going to work andshe finds a snake in the snow
and you know, the snake, youknow, lures her into taking him
in and it actually says take mein, pretty woman, and she does,
and of course I don't need totell you the rest of the story.
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In the end, you know, she goesto work, she puts him by the
fire, she comes home, she's soexcited that he's revived and
all this, and then of course hebites her and she dies.
You know, but it's not.
You know, but it's.
There's something inside of allof the way that the story is
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told, that he are, you know, thearchitect of lyrics, that he
was, um, the basicness of themelody itself that I that I
believe, gives some of whatyou're talking about, and it hit
me so deeply that I actuallyrecorded the song myself.
So it's on my Pure Imaginationalbum and it's called the Snake,
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but it's one of those that kindof has that I think.
Another song that does some ofthat differently that's also on
the same album is the song goneat last, which was written by
paul simon, and he'd actuallydone it as a duet with the late
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phoebe snow um, but I decided hedid it more gospelly.
I actually got an arrangerwho's from Louisiana to actually
produce that cut for me, so ithas a second line feel to it and
it's it even more speaks towhat you're talking about,
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because I don't know if you'reyou know if your audience knows
what the second line is.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Maybe not.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, so it's, it's,
it's, it's a form and I'm not
going to explain it brilliantly,but it's.
The form is specific to a styleof music in new orleans or
louisiana.
It is the second part of afuneral, right.
So it's.
It's like into the, into thecemetery, right.
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There's what they call a dirgeand the song saint james
infirmary is a dirge, so it'svery slow, it's very sad,
whatever.
But then once, once theperson's been buried and you're
leaving the cemetery, there'syour next song, right, that has
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this joyful spirit to it.
So the song and people areactually physically dancing.
That's the, you know, theparasols and the handkerchiefs
and all of that that you see.
That's that second line, gotcha, the song gone at last.
You know you're talking about,like, all of the difficulties
being eliminated.
So I wanted to do that.
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I wanted to have that feelingthat would give somebody the
sense of wanting to exercise andexercise right and exercise
right, exorcise and exercisewhatever.
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It is that's inside of themthat needs to be released in
this moment.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah, powerful,
powerful, that intention, like
the intention that you have putinto that, then I am sure it
gets received.
On the other line, because whenwe put intention into something
, you know whether it's writing,or the intention of this
podcast, or the intention of thealbum that you put together, I
believe that it does getreceived.
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So the you know, and so for ourlisteners who are pondering if
they started in the middle ofthis conversation, is like, okay
, what does this have to do withhealers?
Talk healing.
Let me tell you, musicians arehealers.
They heal our lives becausethey, like I said before I'm
just repeating myself, but youknow, you are the I'm saying you
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as an artist and the collective, you are the background to
that's how I feel, I feel somany people feel the background
to our lives.
You know the soundtrack, theysay right, the soundtrack of our
life comes from music and allthe different sensories, the,
the hearing, the, the movement,the, the stories that get
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created for us in order torelease.
And it is a it, it's abeautiful thing, it truly, truly
is.
And you know, before we kind ofround off our conversation, I
wanted to know, just, you know alittle bit about your own
personal healing journey, youknow, if you want to share that
(30:31):
with us, yeah, oh boy, my ownhealing journey.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
So, um, what I would
say is, um, there's so much to
it.
I mean, early on, I believe Ialways knew that um, healing
comes through love, and there's,you know, it would.
It would take me a long time togo through the experience I had
(30:59):
as a young teenager that justkind of gave me that message,
and so I feel like all along,because I got that message at 13
, it was more about the journeyof finding that way to heal
myself and to heal others, offinding that way to heal myself
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and to heal others, and inhaving my mind and my heart open
to to seeking those things thatwere going to, uh, transcend
whatever difficulty I was having, um, I've been able to.
You know it's not perfect, but Ifind that um, I've been able to
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um center my soul, um in manydifferent ways so that I can,
you know, in in many moments inmy life, be able to sit in
gratitude and appreciate, umwhat's really around me and, at
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the same time, invite the thingsinto my life that are going to
give me the constant remindersthat I'm not in charge, that
there really is, you know, adivine spirit that is is there
(32:36):
if I open myself to it, and thenyou know, give to the world the
best of myself so that it canheal.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I got that.
So, before we close off, whatis your definition of healing?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
my definition of
healing as um, you mean as a
recipient or as as onedelivering both okay.
So I would say um.
Healing for myself doesn'tnecessarily mean that
something's erased from mymemory entirely.
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Healing for me meanstranscending things to a point
where I'm no longer the lessonin it and create something
(34:06):
better for myself and for othersas a result of transmuting that
energy Um, and as a um, as ahealer, as an, an, an artist
who's a healer?
Um giving from within me in themost authentic way possible so
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that others can do the same forthemselves.
Beautiful beautiful I love that.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I love that, thank
you.
Thank you so much for takingtime to, to, to hop on and speak
to us and share your journeyand your, your songs and the.
The song is being released,which was the what the type the
name of the song again was.
The single is Wasn't.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
It Wonderful.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Wasn't it Wonderful.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Right, so that'll
come out like on or around May
10th and then the album A LadyWith A Song Amber Weeks
Celebrates Nancy Wilson will beshortly thereafter.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Very, very exciting.
We'll have all the informationalongside the podcast so that
you know, people can go in andlisten right away.
I enjoyed the snippets that yousent.
The snippets that you sent.
People can go in and listenright away.
I enjoyed the snippets that yousent, the snippets that you
sent me.
They were beautiful.
So, yeah, I got a littlesnippets before everybody else,
but whatever it's, it's theadvantages of being the host.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Right exactly, and
the snippets will be on the
website soon all right, great.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Thank you so much,
amber.
This has been wonderful.
I enjoyed our conversation andI love your voice, so thank you.
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