March 10, 2026 • 40 mins
After nearly 200 episodes of Asking for a Friend, I realized something surprising—we had never taken a deep dive into environmental toxins and low-tox living.
So I went straight to the source.
In this episode, I’m joined by Dr. Rachel Marynowski and Carly Egoavil, the doctors behind Kale Blossom and creators of the Ask Nook app, a tool designed to help consumers identify hidden toxins in everyday products.
We unpack the confusing world of chemicals in our homes, food, and personal care products—and more importantly, what actually matters versus what’s just noise.
This conversation focuses on practical awareness, not perfection. If you’ve ever wondered about endocrine disruptors, glyphosate, fragrances, or chemicals in household products, this episode will help you think differently about the things you use every day.
In this episode we discuss:
- The reality of 80,000+ chemicals in commerce and how few are tested for long-term safety
- The most common endocrine disruptors found in household and personal care products
- How glyphosate and pesticides show up in everyday foods
- Why fragrance chemicals, plastics, and household cleaners may impact hormone health
- The biggest toxin exposures in the home (and simple swaps that actually matter)
- Why low-tox living shouldn’t be about fear or perfection
- The story behind the Ask Nook app and how it helps consumers evaluate products
If you care about hormone health, longevity, and reducing toxic exposure without going crazy, you will love this episode.
Because at the end of the day, it’s not about perfection—it’s about making smarter choices where they matter most.
Connect with Kale Blossom
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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kale.blossom
Ask Nook App: Available on the Apple App Store
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Michele Folan (00:00):
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We're removing the taboo fromwhat really matters in midlife.
After almost 200 episodes ofAsking for a Friend, it hit me.
We have talked about hormones,heart disease, muscle,
(01:46):
metabolism, skin, peptides,longevity, but we have not
really had a deep focusedconversation about environmental
toxins and low-tox living.
And I'm going to open thatdoor.
I'm not going to do it halfway.
I went straight to the source.
Today I'm joined by the dynamicduo behind Kale Blossom and the
(02:08):
creators of the Ask Nook app,two doctors and moms who are
helping women think differentlyabout what's in their homes, on
their skin, and in everydayproducts we use without even
questioning them.
They're not about perfection.
They're not about fear.
They're about practical,science-based awareness and
smart swaps that actually makesense in real life.
(02:31):
We're talking chemicals,hormones, household products,
vaccines, and what trulymatters, especially for women in
midlife and grandparents whowant to protect the next
generation without losing theirminds in the process.
Dr.
Rachel Marynowski and CarlyEgoavil.
Welcome to Asking for a Friend.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (02:51):
Thank you, Michele, for having us.
Michele Folan (02:53):
Yeah, nice to have you both.
Love following you.
And I want to dive into somequestions, but congrats on the
new app, too.
I think this is all reallyexciting stuff.
I am curious though, you wentfrom practicing medicine to
(03:13):
building a low talks platform.
How did all this come about?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & C (03:19):
That is a great question.
We never ever ever intended tobuild an app.
Not we're excited about it, butnever imagined in 20 years ago
that this would have come about.
We we actually went to medschool together.
So we've known each other forgosh, roughly 20 years.
We graduated, we kind of wentour own ways for a while.
We ended up, and this is goingreally fast through things, but
(03:41):
we ended up coming back, movingcloser together, practicing
together, and we built KaleBlossom in started in 2019 as a
way to reach more women.
And fast forward again, youknow, the Lotox world is big and
confusing, and it's like amishmash puzzle.
And we were thinking ofdifferent ways to reach a
(04:02):
greater audience.
And this app was a great way todo it.
And we realized there isnothing else like this out
there.
So why not?
Yeah.
We are not techie.
We found a great team.
But we're like, we have to dothis.
We have to do this for moms andwomen and our kids and the next
generations that are coming up.
So we're really excited aboutit.
Michele Folan (04:22):
But you know, I love these stories though,
because you have women doingthese incredible things a little
bit later in life.
I mean, you two are quite a bityounger than I am, but you
know, you you uh forget how youcan learn new things.
And and even though you sayyou're not techie, I bet you are
(04:44):
way more techie now than youwere in 2019.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Car (04:48):
We try.
We like to think we are.
Lots of help, lots of learning,lots of patience, would you
say?
Yes.
And even the app, you know, wasnot on our bingo card.
We also never set out to beinfluencers or on social media.
That was not anything that wasum something that we would have
envisioned.
I actually, before I went tomedical school, this is going
way back, I worked for a largehospital system in Atlanta, and
(05:12):
I was actually in charge of thebiggest, one of the biggest flu
vaccine campaigns at the time.
Something that I look back onnow and go, whoa, I can't
believe I did that.
And it was a really goodexperience.
And that was the start of myeyes really opening.
Um, and I remember innaturopathic medical school, we
had a professor, ourenvironmental medicine class,
(05:33):
which was one of my favoriteswhen we first started learning
about toxins.
So this was a long time agobefore Lotox was, I mean, we
didn't have big social mediaaccounts talking about lotox
anyone.
And he was talking aboutparabens.
And I'm thinking, parabens,what are parabens?
You know, that no one knewabout this is back in like 2006.
Like, what are these toxins?
So it totally makes sense nowlooking back that we would have
(05:57):
been where we are right now.
It just was an interestingjourney getting there.
Michele Folan (06:01):
So then what gaps in traditional health care made
you focus on environmentalexposure?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (06:09):
Yeah, you know, I think a big part of
what separates us as practicingdocs versus conventional
medicine, we spend time withwomen, our patients.
I mean, we see men and childrentoo, but we spend a lot of time
and we ask questions.
And when you're really lookingat trying to get to the root
cause of someone's whole healthpicture, you can't not look at
(06:31):
toxins because the body is aninventory of experiences,
emotions, traumas, toxins,deficiencies, inflammation.
I mean, it's just one piece ofthe puzzle that now it's like,
how could we not talk about it?
Michele Folan (06:43):
So if I were to come to you as a patient and
you're gonna kind of run methrough the gauntlet of
questions and whatnot, whatspecifically when you do,
because obviously you're runningblood work on your patients,
are there certain toxins thatyou flag that you are
particularly interested in?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (07:02):
Well, you know, we spend, like she
said, a lot of time withpatients.
So our first visit is an hour,hour and a half, because some
for some women it can go to twohours.
So we do look for we look, welook at blood work, um,
depending on life experiences.
So we're looking at, we'retalking to about mom too.
Mom's experience in utero, yourthat mom's birth.
(07:24):
So we're not just looking atthe last 20 years of a woman's
life.
We want to know about mom'slife too.
And so from that health historyand the experiences, we can
kind of pinpoint areas where youlived, the jobs you've had, um,
what you've done in the last 10to 15 years, what we might need
to focus in on.
One of the most interestingpatients I had years ago, um,
(07:46):
she had an adopted son.
And she had moved here from um,I think it was Indiana, one of
those Midwestern states.
And we got to talking andtalked about her mom's health
history while she was pregnantwith her.
And I said, So I can't rememberthe way I worded it, but why
did you end up adopting?
Did you not want to havebabies?
Were you not able to?
She said, We tried and triedfor years.
(08:07):
That's always a light bulb forme.
And I said, Okay, well, and howabout the girls that you grew
up with, your siblings?
Oh, it was like a big thing.
No one on my street was able toget pregnant.
And I said, Did you grow upnear a farm?
She said, Yes, it was acornfield.
And so you start putting these,it's not that we're rocket
scientists, right?
We're just curious and arelooking at the bigger picture.
(08:29):
And if anyone would have said,okay, she wasn't able to have
babies, infertility, hormonesaren't right, grew up across
from a farm.
I don't need her to spend $500on doing a lab test per se.
You know, we always want to dothe basic lab work.
That's always important.
But we're not those doctorsthat are like, come in and get
thousands of dollars worth ofthe test.
You can use your brain andapply simple biochemistry, you
know, to certain cases.
(08:50):
But we do value those TOXpanels.
So we could do a heavy metalspanel, we could do a volatile
solvent panel.
I mean, everyone's gotglyphosate in their urine now
over 80% of people.
So it just depends on theperson and your experience as to
what we would flag or want torun further tests on.
Michele Folan (09:07):
And then you you're both moms.
So now has this really expandedyour view then into how
chemicals affect us in the home?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Ca (09:18):
Oh, yes.
I think having children openour eyes a lot.
And of course, you know, justthat experience of having a
child and moving throughmilestones and thinking about
what they're being exposed to.
Um, and really, you know,there's chemicals being produced
every day.
You know, when we were younger,when you were younger, right,
(09:39):
there weren't so many, but thereare so many things out there,
and it is very hard to wrap yourhead around.
But doing the best you can, notoverstressing about it, is he.
So there is a fine balance init.
I think with having daughterstoo, is different.
Son, it's important for oursons too, absolutely.
But with the whole Ulta,Sephora, skin craze, we blame
(10:00):
the Kardashians.
They just like messed us allup, right?
But women, you know,especially, and we know our
daughters will grow into thistoo.
We slather ourselves withlotions and potions and makeup
and our thyroids right here andour hormones.
And it's like, okay, we really,really gotta be careful, but we
want to do it in a delicateway, especially for our
daughters.
That's been a really goodteaching experience because we
(10:21):
don't want her to feel bad abouther body.
We don't want to feel likethey're doing anything wrong.
We don't want to traumatizethem.
Um, my I don't think I told youabout this.
My second grader came home froma birthday party last week and
she said, I told it was abirthday girl, I told her that
that red food dye in that cakewas toxic.
That's gonna be her.
And I'm like, okay, all right,let's back up.
(10:44):
I'm so glad you're there.
And okay.
And our older children askquestions now.
You know, they hear us talkingto each other or, you know, in
the world, and they want to knowtoo.
They're becoming curious.
So it's fun to see as they getolder, they're taking a little
bit more responsibility um forthemselves and what they're
using as well.
(11:04):
So it's been really a funjourney.
Michele Folan (11:06):
You know, your children, we you know, we say
the apple doesn't fall far fromthe tree.
You do realize that they willbe lecturing their roommates in
college about their bad habitsand everything else.
So just you wait.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (11:18):
It'll we'll see.
They'll probably also send usselfies like eating Doritos and
drinking soda and like that'sokay.
There's room for balance in theworld.
Michele Folan (11:31):
Well, and I want to talk about that too, because
I think that's that's what Ilike about your approach.
It's very realistic and it'syou're not fear-mongering, but
you are shedding light on somethings that we really do need to
know about.
So you reference 80,000chemicals in commerce.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (11:49):
Yeah.
Michele Folan (11:49):
How many of those are truly tested for long-term
safety?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (11:55):
None.
None.
Yeah.
We don't know.
None in isolation and none as acumulative burden.
And the interesting thing isthe EPA, European countries have
done a little bit better.
They're further ahead of us.
The EPA here in the US hasbanned nine ingredients.
And the thought is that if theyeven did want to take the time
(12:17):
to do the research, it wouldnever happen in our lifetime
because there's too many now.
So that's where it's like itcan easily be easily
overwhelming to say, what do wedo?
I give up.
I'm not even going to try.
But controlling what you can,where you can, when you can
within your budget, that packs abig punch.
And we have to do that with80,000 chemicals not tested in
(12:40):
our current commerce.
Michele Folan (12:41):
So glyphosate, we got to bring it up because
again, it hit the news.
Yeah.
It was the end of last week,beginning of this week.
Very concerning.
I understand where both sidescome from on this one.
So I because I wanted to dosome research on it because I'm
the one that's been buyingorganic this and that, because I
(13:02):
don't want glyphosate in myfood, you know, oats, beans,
whatever.
But is there a way forward interms of farming to start to get
that out of the biosphere?
Because that's it's there.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (13:20):
That's a really great question.
And I don't think anybody hasthe complete answer, but you
know, I think there'sinteresting solutions.
And I know things that we tryto do, you know, supporting
local farmers and people thatare growing the right way and
trying to put your dollar where,you know, where it should go,
where the good people are doingthe good things, um, is probably
(13:41):
one of the biggest things thatwe can do.
You know, glyphosate lives inthe soil and lives in the earth
for a very, very, very, very,very, very long time.
Um, so in terms of it justcompletely, you know, walking
off this earth, it's going totake a long time to do.
Um, yeah, and you know, withover 80% of people now showing
glyphosate in their urine, we'veall potentially were being
(14:02):
exposed to it.
But I think it's such acomplicated conversation because
then you bring in, like, okay,well, it's a national security
issue because we're getting somuch from China.
We need to make it here on ourown home front.
But if our people are sick,that's also a national security
issue, right?
Yeah.
And another piece is why aren'twe doing more regenerative
farming?
I mean, that's where we are theonly animals wouldn't spray
(14:24):
their food with to keep awaypesticides and then eat it.
We're the only ones, it's justnuts.
And I think what bothers me themost about the glyphosate
conversation is the lobbying andthe big time dollar bills
underneath it all.
Why in the world can someonelike Bayer, a pharmaceutical
company, buy Monsanto, apesticide company, and this be
(14:48):
okay?
A cancer-causing pesticide by apharmaceutical company that is
now investing in cancer firms atthe Wazoo.
That is the market, the quartertrillion dollar cancer market.
Of course they're not lookingfor a cure because it's big
business.
That's the more unsettling,disheartening I worry for my
children and my grandchildren'sfuture.
Michele Folan (15:08):
Yeah.
And and and I agree with you.
And as someone who was, Iworked in the pharmaceutical
industry for 20 years.
I see where this stuff goes.
And I it it scares me as itdoes you.
So let's talk about just if I'mat the grocery store, if I'm
gonna buy organic and it it fitsinto my budget, what are the
(15:32):
things you would want me to buyorganic over anything else?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Carl (15:37):
I would look for things that are
that are not in appeal, thingslike your berries, things that
directly touch what's what comesin contact with them.
So potentially not a banana,but a strawberry.
You know, you can also look upthe EWG's Clean 15 and the Dirty
Dozen to get a really good ideaof the things that typically
test higher end pesticides andthings.
(15:58):
So that's a very helpful list,too, if you're wanting an idea
of things to hone in on.
We send that one to mom justbecause it's an easy the clean
15 dirty dozen.
But the big thing withglyphosates are going to be your
oat products, your cornproducts, those are the big
crops, anything with geneticmodification.
And you know what?
If you're trying to eathealthy, we always say this too:
(16:19):
diet trends will come and go,right?
We're we don't get superexcited about carnivore or keto
or the FODMAP.
It's like eat real food thatgoes along with your body, real
whole foods, not the store, butlike if it roams the earth,
grows on a plant bush, you know,if you don't have to open a
package to get in it, that's thebest way to avoid most
(16:39):
glyphosate if possible.
When you're looking at thingslike Cheerios, Doritos,
goldfish, I mean, those yuckyones that we don't really want
to be eating anyway, those arethe ones really loaded in
glyphosate.
Michele Folan (16:49):
You know, I do work with clients, and I'm like,
if you can't pronounce it,yeah, I I think I'd skip it.
Yeah.
You know, minimal ingredients.
And if it's got like weirdwords there, just keep walking.
Just don't throw it in thecart.
Ladies, we're gonna take aquick break.
We'll be right back.
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Okay, we are back.
I want to talk about the Nookapp because this is your baby,
(18:19):
and I want to make sure we giveit ample time.
What inspired you to create it?
And how does it evaluateproducts based on hazard?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Car (18:30):
So we wanted to address a common
pain point that we've heard overthe years from patients and
moms and then our kale blossomcommunity over and over and over
in the confusion of what'sreally low tox?
What can I trust?
What can I purchase?
What it takes forever, right?
To Google a pillowcase, right?
You want to buy a pillowcase,and you're like, I need a
chemistry degree.
You know, what am I gonna buy?
(18:53):
So we're like, how can we comeup with something?
And we realize there isliterally no app or anything
like this.
So um we developed it lastyear, and um, there are tons of
apps like this for food, snacks,and even getting into body
care, which is great.
Um, but this was a real big gapuh with no tools.
(19:14):
So it was kind of an easy,natural, like, I mean, it was
like God was like, here you go,this is what I want you to do
because there's nothing like it.
Perfect.
Not easy.
Not easy.
Yeah, it wasn't easy.
Um, and we're continuing to addproducts to it all the time.
Um, but the goal is literallyto help support you.
Number one, pick out thingsthat may be hazardous in your
(19:34):
home, like the plastic showercurtain line that so many people
have.
It just off gas for the wholelife of it, darn it anyway.
So little stuff like that,Windex, 21 million bottles sold
a year.
It's the they've cornered, theyhave 50% of the glass cleaning
market.
And that's something easy toswap if you know about it.
So then if you're gonna say,okay, I've used Windex for
(19:54):
years, but now I don't know whatto get, you can take Nook to
the store.
So you can use it in yourhouse, scan things, score, swap
if you need to, take it to thestore before you invest in a new
product when you're trying itout.
And so it's not just negative.
Nook is also to give peace ofmind.
So if you have this like set ofthis pillow that you love and
you want to buy four more forthe rest of your family members,
(20:15):
you can actually scan it and belike, oh, this is actually a
great pillow.
I chose a good one.
Nook, Nook approved.
I'm gonna buy some more.
Or, oh, wasn't so great.
Maybe I need to swap to.
Michele Folan (20:25):
Oh my God.
I mean, so my mind's a littleblown because there's so many
products out there.
How do you choose which toreview, like what categories?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Car (20:36):
So we've stuck with only home
products and we tried, we'retrying to first get those
commonly used, um, and again,those pain points we hear from
women and moms looking for againthe sheets, the cleaners, the
kitchen products.
So we kind of started with themost use items in the home, and
then we're going from there.
We literally went room to roomin most homes and just looked
(20:59):
wall to ceiling, cabinetflooring, everything to figure
out what and everything wasadded up, basically.
So carpets, rugs, pillows,sheets, shower curtains,
flooring, um, kitchen, bodycare, clothing, you name it.
And we're continuing to add aswell.
Michele Folan (21:18):
I was at the dermatologist this morning.
I was telling her about myconversation with you this
afternoon.
And she's like, Well, tell me,like, what do you think?
You'll talk about it.
I go, shower curtains.
She goes, shower curtains.
I said, Yeah.
I said, think about it.
When was when last time you putup a plastic shower curtain,
that thing smells for days.
Drs. Rachel Marynowsk (21:39):
Terrible.
Yeah.
And it doesn't stop off-gassingwhen the smell goes away.
Michele Folan (21:45):
That's interesting.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski (21:46):
Everyone thinks, oh, I've had it for a
while, it doesn't smell anymore.
We're good.
No, there are still toxins.
It's the perfect war zone,unfortunately, with heat and
moisture.
It just liberates right out.
But I hope you asked yourdermatologist.
Not to ever use petroleum jellyif you have to get a biopsy
site.
Michele Folan (22:05):
So I did have a biopsy and she sent me out with
Aquapore.
They all do.
They all use Aquaphore orVaseline.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Car (22:16):
So you know what I do?
I will take my own littlecoconut oil or a salve and I
will tell them, please don't putany, because I've had to have a
couple too myself.
Um I have very freckly skin.
I'm a mole maker, they say.
And I avoid the petroleum,avoid the Aquafore.
I just that's where, see, Ican't even, I'm stuttering.
It blows my mind.
(22:36):
The this dermatology branch ofhealthcare can put such toxic
things on our most absorptive,biggest organ, our skin.
Blows my mind.
Michele Folan (22:45):
All right.
Then what do you use on yourlips at night?
Like what do you what do youput on your lips at night before
you go to bed?
Drs. Rachel Marynowsk (22:52):
Primality Pure is my favorite.
She's got a stash right here.
We've got some Rokasa, we'vegot some Henne Organics.
This is an awesome lip serum.
So Rach and I are verypersnickety about the products
we use.
And um, so you know, there's ahandful of companies we really
like.
We talk about them on KeelBlossom.
So um, but it's very importantto us.
(23:13):
And these are the same productsthat we're introducing to our
daughters and our kids.
And um, yeah.
Michele Folan (23:19):
All right.
So I do have some Henne.
They sent me some samples totry.
So that I have the little blacklittle yeah.
So okay.
All right.
See, now the I'm learning.
This is so good.
This is so good.
What categories do you thinksurprise users the most when
they scan?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (23:38):
That's a really great question.
Nothing surprises me anymore.
So I'm probably looking at itthrough a skewed lens.
I mean, I think body caremakeup is probably still really
eye-opening for most women.
Um, kitchen products,potentially.
I think we know it's just whenyou start to really research and
(23:59):
look at the ingredients whenthey pop up, it's like, oh wow,
that really isn't so good.
Yeah.
You know, it's kind of you kindof know, but when you really
dig into it, it's a littleshocking and eye-opening.
Michele Folan (24:09):
So phthalates are our big endocrine disruptors.
Are there some other ones thatwe really need to watch out for?
Drs. Rachel Marynow (24:17):
Phthalates, parabens, fragrance, fragrance.
Oh, don't get new secondhandsmoke.
Um, that's a big one.
Gosh, the volatile solvents,uh, all the petroleum-based
stuff.
I mean, anything has theopportunity or the ability to
get in and just scramble thesystem.
And that's why part withinnote, when you scan a product,
(24:41):
it will come up with theingredients.
So not only are we saying yayor nay and giving you a swap, we
wanted to educate.
So it will literally pop up theingredients and then it's your
decision, right?
Whether you want to swap, ifyou're comfortable with that.
But we want people to learnabout what is in the products
and why it may or may not be thebest thing for a person.
And we tried to group theingredients that are flagged in
(25:03):
Nook by what they largelynegatively impact.
So if it's like a respiratorytoxin or an endocrine or hormone
toxin, or you know,neurological, we try to discern
that for people too, becauseultimately we want people to be
equipped and empowered in theirown homes and their, you know,
in their own stores to be ableto do this on their own.
Michele Folan (25:24):
You know, my sister, I have two sisters, and
she always has year for yearshas bought unscented detergent,
unscented this, unscented that.
And I would always make fun ofher, like calling her a granola
head and you know, that sort ofthing.
But now as I have gotten alittle older, I'm way more aware
(25:46):
of fragrance.
And I think for the averageperson, we have we really
struggle with getting fragranceout of things because I mean
it's in our shampoo, body wash.
I mean, any tips on like ifyou're gonna say just get it, if
(26:06):
you can a place to start, wherewould you start with trying to
ditch the fragrances?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Car (26:13):
We posted about this this week,
actually.
We're like, let's let trash betrash.
It doesn't need a signaturescent.
And you know, trauma is passeddown in generations.
It may be a trauma thing where,like, before sanitation and
sewage was cleaned up and horseswalked and pooped on the
street, maybe it was so stinkyin centuries past that humans
have evolved like, I needsomething that smells like
(26:33):
flowers all the time, right?
So I think it's the addedstuff, like the scented trash
bags.
There's just no need.
There's just no need for it.
The pretty and cute Bath andBody Works candles, there's just
no need, you know.
So laundry detergent things, Iwould look for something that
you use frequently.
Because it's not, it's not theperfume that you wear once a
(26:55):
year on your anniversary whenyou go up to dinner with your
husband.
Right.
Yeah.
Good point.
It's not the priority.
It's the laundry detergent,it's the cleaners, it's the
sprays, it's anything you put onyour body that is absorbed in
your skin.
So look for something, chooseone thing, look at it.
If it's your deodorant, youknow, if you wear that every
day, swap that out.
Look at your laundry detergent.
(27:17):
So start picking up the thingsthat you use consistently and
frequently and start there.
Michele Folan (27:22):
We talked about the shower curtains.
I want to talk about blackplastic kitchen utensils.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Ca (27:30):
Oh, Lord.
Plastic is bad.
Yeah.
Especially the black kind.
Michele Folan (27:34):
Yeah.
What is it about those?
What are the big concerns?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (27:38):
Well, the recycled material is just
awful.
It's coming basically fromthings like tires and
electronics that have beencoated in different lubricants.
And it's the same thing withturf fills that they're putting
in all these poor kiddos thathave been cancer connected to
cancers and leukemias.
Um, it's just really nastymaterial.
And I don't know who had theidea to turn black plastic into
(27:59):
kitchen utensils, but it wasn'ta good one.
Michele Folan (28:02):
Well, I was and I was glad to hear you say about
uh Bath and Body Works becauseI feel the same way about that
place as I do about YankeeCandle.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & C (28:11):
Yes.
So we big fans.
We in our teen years, Bath andBody Works sells stock up.
You live and you learn.
Michele Folan (28:24):
And anytime I would walk past a Yankee candle,
I'd have to walk on the otherside of the mall.
I couldn't just couldn't handleit.
It's just terrible.
All right.
The other thing that I think weneed to chat about here is
vaccines.
And it I it can be a littletouchy subject, I know, but I
would love to know your concernsin regard to vaccine
(28:47):
ingredients when it comes toparticularly our kids.
And a lot of my listeners havegrandkids.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (28:55):
Yeah, this is a doozy, um, a tough
subject, but I think what itboils down to is just like the
toxins that we were talkingabout, there's a lot of things
we don't know that have not beenproperly studied.
There are, we are lacking instudies on the cumulative effect
of the vaccine schedule and theramifications on our children's
health.
Um, studies are, you know,there's studies that are done,
(29:17):
they are botched and changed,and it we're not getting the
truth, and no one is willing todig for it.
So for me, and I think for mostpeople, no, we don't know.
So why are we doing this to ourchildren when we don't know
what the potential ramificationscan be?
And there's so much controversyto it.
I mean, when you when youactually dig in and do vaccine
(29:38):
research and you startconnecting the dots, like, wait
a minute, um, measles started todecline before the vaccine ever
came out.
And wait, polio, so now there'sa wild type polio that they're
gonna make a vaccine for fromthe wild type polio that came
from the original vaccine.
And it gets blurred, and we'relike, wait a minute, did you
just stop and listen to that?
(29:58):
But you know, when I was doingthe flu vaccine um campaign when
I was fresh out of undergradand wanted to get some real
world experience, I took the fluvaccine.
My then boyfriend, who's now myhusband at the time, both of us
took it.
We felt awful.
It was the worst flu, and allnone of my nurses on my team
would take it.
None of them, it was like free.
(30:18):
The hospital kept pushing allof us to get it.
None of them wanted it.
But here they areadministrating.
Nurses are smart.
You are go to nurses, waysmarter than many, many doctors.
But even then, I startedlearning about vaccines and the
flu vaccine, for example.
They grow it six to nine monthsin advance.
They have to.
That's how long it takes togrow in a chicken's egg.
Okay.
(30:38):
So they're guessing what flustrain they think is going to
affect the population more thanhalf a year from now.
I don't care how brilliant of ascientist or researcher you
are, that's predicting thefuture, and it's not possible,
especially when viruses mutateso quickly.
And the flu vaccine istrivalent or quadvalent, so it
covers three to four strains.
(30:59):
Like we are literallypropagating the flu every single
year.
Every single year, the flucampaigns start, you see the
billboard sleep, the flu shots,and and it spreads.
In all the inserts, it says,not only, you know, it's like
the vaccinated don't want to goaround the unvaccinated, well,
the tables are turning becausenow the unvaccinated are saying,
well, you may be chatting, somaybe it's me that shouldn't be
(31:20):
around you.
I don't know.
I hate the the division itcreates.
It has become a really, reallyum inflammatory conversation,
but I just can't get down to thecommon sense of it.
Why in the world do babies nowneed over 70 vaccines to survive
(31:40):
glyphosate and toxins andwhatever aside?
And it's just very interestingthat in the 80s the vaccine
companies lost liability becauseof the Reagan Act.
And it's like, then they justshot up from there.
Yeah.
Michele Folan (31:53):
It doesn't make any sense.
They have such a powerfullobby.
Oh and that yeah, lots ofmoney.
And so I am starting to see atrend, at least with my
daughter's friends who are nowhaving babies.
Whereas, you know, they theystart those vaccines in the
hospital.
They're, you know, barely outof the womb and they're they're
(32:15):
poking them with whatever.
And those and those young momsare saying, Hold on, we're not
doing this.
We're waiting.
There is absolutely, you know,and and this is my opinion.
I may lose listeners because ofthis, but oh, oh well.
But I just think that's nuts.
And we have to do our homework.
(32:37):
I mean, you you gotta do yourresearch and and talk about your
concerns when it comes to thisstuff.
Drs. Rachel Marynow (32:44):
Absolutely.
Always advocate and don'tresearch the night before you go
into labor or the night beforeyou go to your pediatrician's
office.
This needs to be somethingthat, you know, it's cute to
plan a nursery and pick out thedecor and the name and do a
gender reveal.
This is the real stuff thatthat women and and you know,
husbands and families need to betalking about before they have
babies.
We need discernment.
(33:05):
We need discernment.
And you know, they'repediatricians are really quick
to say, only introduce one foodat a time so you can monitor for
reaction.
Well, how about the newvax list, which is a six in one
shot and the sneaky thing thatpediatricians are doing, they're
appealing to the parent's heartby saying, Oh, your child will
only need one needle instead ofsix.
We have no long-term, nolong-term studies on this.
Michele Folan (33:26):
Yeah.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Ca (33:26):
And some of the studies that that
have been the bedrock of like,oh, this is safe, they include
only 15 to 20,000 patients.
So you think, oh, this isthousands of patients.
This is a good study.
It's a large population.
But they've shown that theyneed closer to, like, for
example, 100,000 patients toactually look at the full array
(33:47):
of side effects and possibledeath.
And that's where I think it is.
We need to weigh the sideeffects versus the benefits.
Michele Folan (33:54):
Yeah.
And this is this is a greatconversation because I I do
want, you know, this generationnow having kids to look at
things a little differently.
Because we didn't, we reallydidn't question.
But I think we've we now haveenough data to say, hmm, let's
let's hold the phone, let's,let's pull back the reins a
little bit and let's make surethat this really is what we want
(34:17):
right now for our child.
So thank you for that.
I really appreciate that.
Because like I said, we've gota lot of grandparents that are
trying to navigate thisconflicting information online
as well.
And they wanna they want to bethere and be supportive as well.
Kind of a little personalquestion for you both.
What is one health hill youabsolutely die on?
(34:40):
Like what's your what's yourthing?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski (34:42):
There's a lot.
Do we have an hour anotherhour?
I think that's what's made ussuch good friends is that we
really do practice what wepreach.
We're not perfect, but I mean,I think it's so important to us,
all those pillars of health.
I think sleep is a hill I willdie on.
I was gonna say, you are notgonna find us up late anymore.
(35:04):
We can't make it.
We're not gonna do it.
So it's like you can you cansupplement, you can exercise,
you can eat perfect, perfectly,you can do whatever you want.
But if you are not getting goodquality sleep, nothing's gonna
work well.
Nothing.
You aren't gonna be happy,you're gonna be cranky, right?
It life is gonna be harder in alot of different ways.
So sleep, sleep, sleep, sleep,sleep.
(35:24):
If you're having troublesleeping, work on your sleep
first.
You cannot out-GLP your sleep.
You cannot out-Ozempic badsleep.
No, sleep is more importantthan exercise.
If you're someone who exercisesevery day, and if you have the
decision to sleep or exercise,get your sleep.
That's way more important.
Yeah.
Michele Folan (35:41):
I love naps.
Yeah, yes, I'm a big, I'm a bignap girl.
Is there a hill that you usedto feel strongly about but
you've softened on?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Ca (35:51):
You know, I think um in having
kids, loosening up a little biton just the perfection of
things, whether it's allowing,you know, the processed snaps
here and there and stillchoosing better options, but
just giving them the reins alittle bit more, letting loose,
um, and worrying about, youknow, being perfect for them, I
(36:14):
think.
I have six kiddos, and I wouldsay my first two, it was like
picture perfect.
I was making all their food andit was like nothing went into
their body that wasn't pristine.
And now, you know, I have twoand a half-year-old twin boys,
and like they they haven't hadany screens.
So there's some areas that I'meven better on, but sometimes
it's like, I mean, they're noteven Cheetos all day.
But even with my other kids,it's I don't want to drive
(36:38):
myself crazy and not let them gohave a food dye cupcake at an
Easter party next month.
You know what I mean?
I'm not gonna die on that hill,but certainly we're gonna rein
it in when we're at home.
Michele Folan (36:49):
Yeah.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & C (36:50):
It's all about it.
Michele Folan (36:51):
You know what?
And you know, we don't we don'twant to make our kids afraid.
Yeah, right.
Right.
And so I think there's there'sa healthy balance there, but
they certainly need to make wisechoices.
And you're you got you gotyears ahead of guiding them
through all those bad choicesthat are in front of them all
(37:12):
day long.
We'll call you Michele in everyyear and say, what do we do?
Yeah, my my daughters are likealmost 29 and almost 31.
So yeah, so that's yeah, yeah,yeah.
And and and now I look backtalking to you two, and I think,
oh my god, how differentlywould I have done things?
You know, they had the theVelveeta shells and cheese
(37:35):
probably three times a week, anddeli ham and and little
Caesar's pizza.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Ca (37:44):
Oh, little Caesars, the breadsticks
were so good though, right?
We all had that, right?
I think that's part of growingup in a way, you know.
And that's one thing I hope itcomes across on Kill Blossom.
You know, we talk about a lotof negative topics, and
unfortunately, social media,like those are the posts that do
well.
So we have to kind of push thatbutton a little bit.
But we're actually quite happy,content, joyful people are very
(38:05):
happy.
But I hope that's somethingthat's conveyed on Kill Blossom.
We don't ever want to shamesomeone for giving their kids
Velveeta growing up.
We don't want you to feeljudged just because we talk
about a product that we love andit may not be your thing.
Like it's there's room foreveryone to both have grace and
make mistakes and learn from itand to be forever growing and
improving.
Michele Folan (38:25):
Um yeah.
I rolled too when you guys hadthe tinfoil hats on.
That was that was the best.
I was like, oh, I like theseladies.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski (38:35):
They're awesome.
We have to have a little fun.
Social media can get a littlewild.
So we have to have a littlefun.
Michele Folan (38:41):
Yeah, absolutely.
Carly and Rachel, where can wefind Ask Nook and the body of
your work?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (38:48):
Thank you.
Yes.
Um, Nook can be found in theApp Store.
Apple, I don't.
We we are working hard onmaking for um Android.
Thank you.
So it's available for Appleright now, and we're working to
release other versions hopefullysoon.
And you can find us online atkaleblossom.com.
We have our Instagram,kale.blossom.
(39:09):
We have our Pinterest page.
What else?
Where are we?
Facebook, Kale Blossom.
And then Nook's um Instagram isask.nook.
So you can find it there.
And there is a link to todownload a free trial of the app
there also.
Fantastic.
You know, we're we're alwayslike getting into new things, so
you never know what we're gonnado next.
So stay tuned.
Michele Folan (39:29):
Oh no, I think something's coming.
You're just not ready to tellus yet.
No, maybe.
Oh, Carly and Rachel, this wasa lot of fun.
I will put all of this in theshow notes, and I really
appreciate you both being heretoday.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (39:43):
Thank you.
Ciao.
Michele Folan (39:46):
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metabolism, skin, peptides,longevity, but we have not
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Dr.
Rachel Marynowski and CarlyEgoavil.
Welcome to Asking for a Friend.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (02:51):
Thank you, Michele, for having us.
Michele Folan (02:53):
Yeah, nice to have you both.
Love following you.
And I want to dive into somequestions, but congrats on the
new app, too.
I think this is all reallyexciting stuff.
I am curious though, you wentfrom practicing medicine to
(03:13):
building a low talks platform.
How did all this come about?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & C (03:19):
That is a great question.
We never ever ever intended tobuild an app.
Not we're excited about it, butnever imagined in 20 years ago
that this would have come about.
We we actually went to medschool together.
So we've known each other forgosh, roughly 20 years.
We graduated, we kind of wentour own ways for a while.
We ended up, and this is goingreally fast through things, but
(03:41):
we ended up coming back, movingcloser together, practicing
together, and we built KaleBlossom in started in 2019 as a
way to reach more women.
And fast forward again, youknow, the Lotox world is big and
confusing, and it's like amishmash puzzle.
And we were thinking ofdifferent ways to reach a
(04:02):
greater audience.
And this app was a great way todo it.
And we realized there isnothing else like this out
there.
So why not?
Yeah.
We are not techie.
We found a great team.
But we're like, we have to dothis.
We have to do this for moms andwomen and our kids and the next
generations that are coming up.
So we're really excited aboutit.
Michele Folan (04:22):
But you know, I love these stories though,
because you have women doingthese incredible things a little
bit later in life.
I mean, you two are quite a bityounger than I am, but you
know, you you uh forget how youcan learn new things.
And and even though you sayyou're not techie, I bet you are
(04:44):
way more techie now than youwere in 2019.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Car (04:48):
We try.
We like to think we are.
Lots of help, lots of learning,lots of patience, would you
say?
Yes.
And even the app, you know, wasnot on our bingo card.
We also never set out to beinfluencers or on social media.
That was not anything that wasum something that we would have
envisioned.
I actually, before I went tomedical school, this is going
way back, I worked for a largehospital system in Atlanta, and
(05:12):
I was actually in charge of thebiggest, one of the biggest flu
vaccine campaigns at the time.
Something that I look back onnow and go, whoa, I can't
believe I did that.
And it was a really goodexperience.
And that was the start of myeyes really opening.
Um, and I remember innaturopathic medical school, we
had a professor, ourenvironmental medicine class,
(05:33):
which was one of my favoriteswhen we first started learning
about toxins.
So this was a long time agobefore Lotox was, I mean, we
didn't have big social mediaaccounts talking about lotox
anyone.
And he was talking aboutparabens.
And I'm thinking, parabens,what are parabens?
You know, that no one knewabout this is back in like 2006.
Like, what are these toxins?
So it totally makes sense nowlooking back that we would have
(05:57):
been where we are right now.
It just was an interestingjourney getting there.
Michele Folan (06:01):
So then what gaps in traditional health care made
you focus on environmentalexposure?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (06:09):
Yeah, you know, I think a big part of
what separates us as practicingdocs versus conventional
medicine, we spend time withwomen, our patients.
I mean, we see men and childrentoo, but we spend a lot of time
and we ask questions.
And when you're really lookingat trying to get to the root
cause of someone's whole healthpicture, you can't not look at
(06:31):
toxins because the body is aninventory of experiences,
emotions, traumas, toxins,deficiencies, inflammation.
I mean, it's just one piece ofthe puzzle that now it's like,
how could we not talk about it?
Michele Folan (06:43):
So if I were to come to you as a patient and
you're gonna kind of run methrough the gauntlet of
questions and whatnot, whatspecifically when you do,
because obviously you're runningblood work on your patients,
are there certain toxins thatyou flag that you are
particularly interested in?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (07:02):
Well, you know, we spend, like she
said, a lot of time withpatients.
So our first visit is an hour,hour and a half, because some
for some women it can go to twohours.
So we do look for we look, welook at blood work, um,
depending on life experiences.
So we're looking at, we'retalking to about mom too.
Mom's experience in utero, yourthat mom's birth.
(07:24):
So we're not just looking atthe last 20 years of a woman's
life.
We want to know about mom'slife too.
And so from that health historyand the experiences, we can
kind of pinpoint areas where youlived, the jobs you've had, um,
what you've done in the last 10to 15 years, what we might need
to focus in on.
One of the most interestingpatients I had years ago, um,
(07:46):
she had an adopted son.
And she had moved here from um,I think it was Indiana, one of
those Midwestern states.
And we got to talking andtalked about her mom's health
history while she was pregnantwith her.
And I said, So I can't rememberthe way I worded it, but why
did you end up adopting?
Did you not want to havebabies?
Were you not able to?
She said, We tried and triedfor years.
(08:07):
That's always a light bulb forme.
And I said, Okay, well, and howabout the girls that you grew
up with, your siblings?
Oh, it was like a big thing.
No one on my street was able toget pregnant.
And I said, Did you grow upnear a farm?
She said, Yes, it was acornfield.
And so you start putting these,it's not that we're rocket
scientists, right?
We're just curious and arelooking at the bigger picture.
(08:29):
And if anyone would have said,okay, she wasn't able to have
babies, infertility, hormonesaren't right, grew up across
from a farm.
I don't need her to spend $500on doing a lab test per se.
You know, we always want to dothe basic lab work.
That's always important.
But we're not those doctorsthat are like, come in and get
thousands of dollars worth ofthe test.
You can use your brain andapply simple biochemistry, you
know, to certain cases.
(08:50):
But we do value those TOXpanels.
So we could do a heavy metalspanel, we could do a volatile
solvent panel.
I mean, everyone's gotglyphosate in their urine now
over 80% of people.
So it just depends on theperson and your experience as to
what we would flag or want torun further tests on.
Michele Folan (09:07):
And then you you're both moms.
So now has this really expandedyour view then into how
chemicals affect us in the home?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Ca (09:18):
Oh, yes.
I think having children openour eyes a lot.
And of course, you know, justthat experience of having a
child and moving throughmilestones and thinking about
what they're being exposed to.
Um, and really, you know,there's chemicals being produced
every day.
You know, when we were younger,when you were younger, right,
(09:39):
there weren't so many, but thereare so many things out there,
and it is very hard to wrap yourhead around.
But doing the best you can, notoverstressing about it, is he.
So there is a fine balance init.
I think with having daughterstoo, is different.
Son, it's important for oursons too, absolutely.
But with the whole Ulta,Sephora, skin craze, we blame
(10:00):
the Kardashians.
They just like messed us allup, right?
But women, you know,especially, and we know our
daughters will grow into thistoo.
We slather ourselves withlotions and potions and makeup
and our thyroids right here andour hormones.
And it's like, okay, we really,really gotta be careful, but we
want to do it in a delicateway, especially for our
daughters.
That's been a really goodteaching experience because we
(10:21):
don't want her to feel bad abouther body.
We don't want to feel likethey're doing anything wrong.
We don't want to traumatizethem.
Um, my I don't think I told youabout this.
My second grader came home froma birthday party last week and
she said, I told it was abirthday girl, I told her that
that red food dye in that cakewas toxic.
That's gonna be her.
And I'm like, okay, all right,let's back up.
(10:44):
I'm so glad you're there.
And okay.
And our older children askquestions now.
You know, they hear us talkingto each other or, you know, in
the world, and they want to knowtoo.
They're becoming curious.
So it's fun to see as they getolder, they're taking a little
bit more responsibility um forthemselves and what they're
using as well.
(11:04):
So it's been really a funjourney.
Michele Folan (11:06):
You know, your children, we you know, we say
the apple doesn't fall far fromthe tree.
You do realize that they willbe lecturing their roommates in
college about their bad habitsand everything else.
So just you wait.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (11:18):
It'll we'll see.
They'll probably also send usselfies like eating Doritos and
drinking soda and like that'sokay.
There's room for balance in theworld.
Michele Folan (11:31):
Well, and I want to talk about that too, because
I think that's that's what Ilike about your approach.
It's very realistic and it'syou're not fear-mongering, but
you are shedding light on somethings that we really do need to
know about.
So you reference 80,000chemicals in commerce.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (11:49):
Yeah.
Michele Folan (11:49):
How many of those are truly tested for long-term
safety?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (11:55):
None.
None.
Yeah.
We don't know.
None in isolation and none as acumulative burden.
And the interesting thing isthe EPA, European countries have
done a little bit better.
They're further ahead of us.
The EPA here in the US hasbanned nine ingredients.
And the thought is that if theyeven did want to take the time
(12:17):
to do the research, it wouldnever happen in our lifetime
because there's too many now.
So that's where it's like itcan easily be easily
overwhelming to say, what do wedo?
I give up.
I'm not even going to try.
But controlling what you can,where you can, when you can
within your budget, that packs abig punch.
And we have to do that with80,000 chemicals not tested in
(12:40):
our current commerce.
Michele Folan (12:41):
So glyphosate, we got to bring it up because
again, it hit the news.
Yeah.
It was the end of last week,beginning of this week.
Very concerning.
I understand where both sidescome from on this one.
So I because I wanted to dosome research on it because I'm
the one that's been buyingorganic this and that, because I
(13:02):
don't want glyphosate in myfood, you know, oats, beans,
whatever.
But is there a way forward interms of farming to start to get
that out of the biosphere?
Because that's it's there.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (13:20):
That's a really great question.
And I don't think anybody hasthe complete answer, but you
know, I think there'sinteresting solutions.
And I know things that we tryto do, you know, supporting
local farmers and people thatare growing the right way and
trying to put your dollar where,you know, where it should go,
where the good people are doingthe good things, um, is probably
(13:41):
one of the biggest things thatwe can do.
You know, glyphosate lives inthe soil and lives in the earth
for a very, very, very, very,very, very long time.
Um, so in terms of it justcompletely, you know, walking
off this earth, it's going totake a long time to do.
Um, yeah, and you know, withover 80% of people now showing
glyphosate in their urine, we'veall potentially were being
(14:02):
exposed to it.
But I think it's such acomplicated conversation because
then you bring in, like, okay,well, it's a national security
issue because we're getting somuch from China.
We need to make it here on ourown home front.
But if our people are sick,that's also a national security
issue, right?
Yeah.
And another piece is why aren'twe doing more regenerative
farming?
I mean, that's where we are theonly animals wouldn't spray
(14:24):
their food with to keep awaypesticides and then eat it.
We're the only ones, it's justnuts.
And I think what bothers me themost about the glyphosate
conversation is the lobbying andthe big time dollar bills
underneath it all.
Why in the world can someonelike Bayer, a pharmaceutical
company, buy Monsanto, apesticide company, and this be
(14:48):
okay?
A cancer-causing pesticide by apharmaceutical company that is
now investing in cancer firms atthe Wazoo.
That is the market, the quartertrillion dollar cancer market.
Of course they're not lookingfor a cure because it's big
business.
That's the more unsettling,disheartening I worry for my
children and my grandchildren'sfuture.
Michele Folan (15:08):
Yeah.
And and and I agree with you.
And as someone who was, Iworked in the pharmaceutical
industry for 20 years.
I see where this stuff goes.
And I it it scares me as itdoes you.
So let's talk about just if I'mat the grocery store, if I'm
gonna buy organic and it it fitsinto my budget, what are the
(15:32):
things you would want me to buyorganic over anything else?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Carl (15:37):
I would look for things that are
that are not in appeal, thingslike your berries, things that
directly touch what's what comesin contact with them.
So potentially not a banana,but a strawberry.
You know, you can also look upthe EWG's Clean 15 and the Dirty
Dozen to get a really good ideaof the things that typically
test higher end pesticides andthings.
(15:58):
So that's a very helpful list,too, if you're wanting an idea
of things to hone in on.
We send that one to mom justbecause it's an easy the clean
15 dirty dozen.
But the big thing withglyphosates are going to be your
oat products, your cornproducts, those are the big
crops, anything with geneticmodification.
And you know what?
If you're trying to eathealthy, we always say this too:
(16:19):
diet trends will come and go,right?
We're we don't get superexcited about carnivore or keto
or the FODMAP.
It's like eat real food thatgoes along with your body, real
whole foods, not the store, butlike if it roams the earth,
grows on a plant bush, you know,if you don't have to open a
package to get in it, that's thebest way to avoid most
(16:39):
glyphosate if possible.
When you're looking at thingslike Cheerios, Doritos,
goldfish, I mean, those yuckyones that we don't really want
to be eating anyway, those arethe ones really loaded in
glyphosate.
Michele Folan (16:49):
You know, I do work with clients, and I'm like,
if you can't pronounce it,yeah, I I think I'd skip it.
Yeah.
You know, minimal ingredients.
And if it's got like weirdwords there, just keep walking.
Just don't throw it in thecart.
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I want to talk about the Nookapp because this is your baby,
(18:19):
and I want to make sure we giveit ample time.
What inspired you to create it?
And how does it evaluateproducts based on hazard?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Car (18:30):
So we wanted to address a common
pain point that we've heard overthe years from patients and
moms and then our kale blossomcommunity over and over and over
in the confusion of what'sreally low tox?
What can I trust?
What can I purchase?
What it takes forever, right?
To Google a pillowcase, right?
You want to buy a pillowcase,and you're like, I need a
chemistry degree.
You know, what am I gonna buy?
(18:53):
So we're like, how can we comeup with something?
And we realize there isliterally no app or anything
like this.
So um we developed it lastyear, and um, there are tons of
apps like this for food, snacks,and even getting into body
care, which is great.
Um, but this was a real big gapuh with no tools.
(19:14):
So it was kind of an easy,natural, like, I mean, it was
like God was like, here you go,this is what I want you to do
because there's nothing like it.
Perfect.
Not easy.
Not easy.
Yeah, it wasn't easy.
Um, and we're continuing to addproducts to it all the time.
Um, but the goal is literallyto help support you.
Number one, pick out thingsthat may be hazardous in your
(19:34):
home, like the plastic showercurtain line that so many people
have.
It just off gas for the wholelife of it, darn it anyway.
So little stuff like that,Windex, 21 million bottles sold
a year.
It's the they've cornered, theyhave 50% of the glass cleaning
market.
And that's something easy toswap if you know about it.
So then if you're gonna say,okay, I've used Windex for
(19:54):
years, but now I don't know whatto get, you can take Nook to
the store.
So you can use it in yourhouse, scan things, score, swap
if you need to, take it to thestore before you invest in a new
product when you're trying itout.
And so it's not just negative.
Nook is also to give peace ofmind.
So if you have this like set ofthis pillow that you love and
you want to buy four more forthe rest of your family members,
(20:15):
you can actually scan it and belike, oh, this is actually a
great pillow.
I chose a good one.
Nook, Nook approved.
I'm gonna buy some more.
Or, oh, wasn't so great.
Maybe I need to swap to.
Michele Folan (20:25):
Oh my God.
I mean, so my mind's a littleblown because there's so many
products out there.
How do you choose which toreview, like what categories?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Car (20:36):
So we've stuck with only home
products and we tried, we'retrying to first get those
commonly used, um, and again,those pain points we hear from
women and moms looking for againthe sheets, the cleaners, the
kitchen products.
So we kind of started with themost use items in the home, and
then we're going from there.
We literally went room to roomin most homes and just looked
(20:59):
wall to ceiling, cabinetflooring, everything to figure
out what and everything wasadded up, basically.
So carpets, rugs, pillows,sheets, shower curtains,
flooring, um, kitchen, bodycare, clothing, you name it.
And we're continuing to add aswell.
Michele Folan (21:18):
I was at the dermatologist this morning.
I was telling her about myconversation with you this
afternoon.
And she's like, Well, tell me,like, what do you think?
You'll talk about it.
I go, shower curtains.
She goes, shower curtains.
I said, Yeah.
I said, think about it.
When was when last time you putup a plastic shower curtain,
that thing smells for days.
Drs. Rachel Marynowsk (21:39):
Terrible.
Yeah.
And it doesn't stop off-gassingwhen the smell goes away.
Michele Folan (21:45):
That's interesting.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski (21:46):
Everyone thinks, oh, I've had it for a
while, it doesn't smell anymore.
We're good.
No, there are still toxins.
It's the perfect war zone,unfortunately, with heat and
moisture.
It just liberates right out.
But I hope you asked yourdermatologist.
Not to ever use petroleum jellyif you have to get a biopsy
site.
Michele Folan (22:05):
So I did have a biopsy and she sent me out with
Aquapore.
They all do.
They all use Aquaphore orVaseline.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Car (22:16):
So you know what I do?
I will take my own littlecoconut oil or a salve and I
will tell them, please don't putany, because I've had to have a
couple too myself.
Um I have very freckly skin.
I'm a mole maker, they say.
And I avoid the petroleum,avoid the Aquafore.
I just that's where, see, Ican't even, I'm stuttering.
It blows my mind.
(22:36):
The this dermatology branch ofhealthcare can put such toxic
things on our most absorptive,biggest organ, our skin.
Blows my mind.
Michele Folan (22:45):
All right.
Then what do you use on yourlips at night?
Like what do you what do youput on your lips at night before
you go to bed?
Drs. Rachel Marynowsk (22:52):
Primality Pure is my favorite.
She's got a stash right here.
We've got some Rokasa, we'vegot some Henne Organics.
This is an awesome lip serum.
So Rach and I are verypersnickety about the products
we use.
And um, so you know, there's ahandful of companies we really
like.
We talk about them on KeelBlossom.
So um, but it's very importantto us.
(23:13):
And these are the same productsthat we're introducing to our
daughters and our kids.
And um, yeah.
Michele Folan (23:19):
All right.
So I do have some Henne.
They sent me some samples totry.
So that I have the little blacklittle yeah.
So okay.
All right.
See, now the I'm learning.
This is so good.
This is so good.
What categories do you thinksurprise users the most when
they scan?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (23:38):
That's a really great question.
Nothing surprises me anymore.
So I'm probably looking at itthrough a skewed lens.
I mean, I think body caremakeup is probably still really
eye-opening for most women.
Um, kitchen products,potentially.
I think we know it's just whenyou start to really research and
(23:59):
look at the ingredients whenthey pop up, it's like, oh wow,
that really isn't so good.
Yeah.
You know, it's kind of you kindof know, but when you really
dig into it, it's a littleshocking and eye-opening.
Michele Folan (24:09):
So phthalates are our big endocrine disruptors.
Are there some other ones thatwe really need to watch out for?
Drs. Rachel Marynow (24:17):
Phthalates, parabens, fragrance, fragrance.
Oh, don't get new secondhandsmoke.
Um, that's a big one.
Gosh, the volatile solvents,uh, all the petroleum-based
stuff.
I mean, anything has theopportunity or the ability to
get in and just scramble thesystem.
And that's why part withinnote, when you scan a product,
(24:41):
it will come up with theingredients.
So not only are we saying yayor nay and giving you a swap, we
wanted to educate.
So it will literally pop up theingredients and then it's your
decision, right?
Whether you want to swap, ifyou're comfortable with that.
But we want people to learnabout what is in the products
and why it may or may not be thebest thing for a person.
And we tried to group theingredients that are flagged in
(25:03):
Nook by what they largelynegatively impact.
So if it's like a respiratorytoxin or an endocrine or hormone
toxin, or you know,neurological, we try to discern
that for people too, becauseultimately we want people to be
equipped and empowered in theirown homes and their, you know,
in their own stores to be ableto do this on their own.
Michele Folan (25:24):
You know, my sister, I have two sisters, and
she always has year for yearshas bought unscented detergent,
unscented this, unscented that.
And I would always make fun ofher, like calling her a granola
head and you know, that sort ofthing.
But now as I have gotten alittle older, I'm way more aware
(25:46):
of fragrance.
And I think for the averageperson, we have we really
struggle with getting fragranceout of things because I mean
it's in our shampoo, body wash.
I mean, any tips on like ifyou're gonna say just get it, if
(26:06):
you can a place to start, wherewould you start with trying to
ditch the fragrances?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Car (26:13):
We posted about this this week,
actually.
We're like, let's let trash betrash.
It doesn't need a signaturescent.
And you know, trauma is passeddown in generations.
It may be a trauma thing where,like, before sanitation and
sewage was cleaned up and horseswalked and pooped on the
street, maybe it was so stinkyin centuries past that humans
have evolved like, I needsomething that smells like
(26:33):
flowers all the time, right?
So I think it's the addedstuff, like the scented trash
bags.
There's just no need.
There's just no need for it.
The pretty and cute Bath andBody Works candles, there's just
no need, you know.
So laundry detergent things, Iwould look for something that
you use frequently.
Because it's not, it's not theperfume that you wear once a
(26:55):
year on your anniversary whenyou go up to dinner with your
husband.
Right.
Yeah.
Good point.
It's not the priority.
It's the laundry detergent,it's the cleaners, it's the
sprays, it's anything you put onyour body that is absorbed in
your skin.
So look for something, chooseone thing, look at it.
If it's your deodorant, youknow, if you wear that every
day, swap that out.
Look at your laundry detergent.
(27:17):
So start picking up the thingsthat you use consistently and
frequently and start there.
Michele Folan (27:22):
We talked about the shower curtains.
I want to talk about blackplastic kitchen utensils.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Ca (27:30):
Oh, Lord.
Plastic is bad.
Yeah.
Especially the black kind.
Michele Folan (27:34):
Yeah.
What is it about those?
What are the big concerns?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (27:38):
Well, the recycled material is just
awful.
It's coming basically fromthings like tires and
electronics that have beencoated in different lubricants.
And it's the same thing withturf fills that they're putting
in all these poor kiddos thathave been cancer connected to
cancers and leukemias.
Um, it's just really nastymaterial.
And I don't know who had theidea to turn black plastic into
(27:59):
kitchen utensils, but it wasn'ta good one.
Michele Folan (28:02):
Well, I was and I was glad to hear you say about
uh Bath and Body Works becauseI feel the same way about that
place as I do about YankeeCandle.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & C (28:11):
Yes.
So we big fans.
We in our teen years, Bath andBody Works sells stock up.
You live and you learn.
Michele Folan (28:24):
And anytime I would walk past a Yankee candle,
I'd have to walk on the otherside of the mall.
I couldn't just couldn't handleit.
It's just terrible.
All right.
The other thing that I think weneed to chat about here is
vaccines.
And it I it can be a littletouchy subject, I know, but I
would love to know your concernsin regard to vaccine
(28:47):
ingredients when it comes toparticularly our kids.
And a lot of my listeners havegrandkids.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (28:55):
Yeah, this is a doozy, um, a tough
subject, but I think what itboils down to is just like the
toxins that we were talkingabout, there's a lot of things
we don't know that have not beenproperly studied.
There are, we are lacking instudies on the cumulative effect
of the vaccine schedule and theramifications on our children's
health.
Um, studies are, you know,there's studies that are done,
(29:17):
they are botched and changed,and it we're not getting the
truth, and no one is willing todig for it.
So for me, and I think for mostpeople, no, we don't know.
So why are we doing this to ourchildren when we don't know
what the potential ramificationscan be?
And there's so much controversyto it.
I mean, when you when youactually dig in and do vaccine
(29:38):
research and you startconnecting the dots, like, wait
a minute, um, measles started todecline before the vaccine ever
came out.
And wait, polio, so now there'sa wild type polio that they're
gonna make a vaccine for fromthe wild type polio that came
from the original vaccine.
And it gets blurred, and we'relike, wait a minute, did you
just stop and listen to that?
(29:58):
But you know, when I was doingthe flu vaccine um campaign when
I was fresh out of undergradand wanted to get some real
world experience, I took the fluvaccine.
My then boyfriend, who's now myhusband at the time, both of us
took it.
We felt awful.
It was the worst flu, and allnone of my nurses on my team
would take it.
None of them, it was like free.
(30:18):
The hospital kept pushing allof us to get it.
None of them wanted it.
But here they areadministrating.
Nurses are smart.
You are go to nurses, waysmarter than many, many doctors.
But even then, I startedlearning about vaccines and the
flu vaccine, for example.
They grow it six to nine monthsin advance.
They have to.
That's how long it takes togrow in a chicken's egg.
Okay.
(30:38):
So they're guessing what flustrain they think is going to
affect the population more thanhalf a year from now.
I don't care how brilliant of ascientist or researcher you
are, that's predicting thefuture, and it's not possible,
especially when viruses mutateso quickly.
And the flu vaccine istrivalent or quadvalent, so it
covers three to four strains.
(30:59):
Like we are literallypropagating the flu every single
year.
Every single year, the flucampaigns start, you see the
billboard sleep, the flu shots,and and it spreads.
In all the inserts, it says,not only, you know, it's like
the vaccinated don't want to goaround the unvaccinated, well,
the tables are turning becausenow the unvaccinated are saying,
well, you may be chatting, somaybe it's me that shouldn't be
(31:20):
around you.
I don't know.
I hate the the division itcreates.
It has become a really, reallyum inflammatory conversation,
but I just can't get down to thecommon sense of it.
Why in the world do babies nowneed over 70 vaccines to survive
(31:40):
glyphosate and toxins andwhatever aside?
And it's just very interestingthat in the 80s the vaccine
companies lost liability becauseof the Reagan Act.
And it's like, then they justshot up from there.
Yeah.
Michele Folan (31:53):
It doesn't make any sense.
They have such a powerfullobby.
Oh and that yeah, lots ofmoney.
And so I am starting to see atrend, at least with my
daughter's friends who are nowhaving babies.
Whereas, you know, they theystart those vaccines in the
hospital.
They're, you know, barely outof the womb and they're they're
(32:15):
poking them with whatever.
And those and those young momsare saying, Hold on, we're not
doing this.
We're waiting.
There is absolutely, you know,and and this is my opinion.
I may lose listeners because ofthis, but oh, oh well.
But I just think that's nuts.
And we have to do our homework.
(32:37):
I mean, you you gotta do yourresearch and and talk about your
concerns when it comes to thisstuff.
Drs. Rachel Marynow (32:44):
Absolutely.
Always advocate and don'tresearch the night before you go
into labor or the night beforeyou go to your pediatrician's
office.
This needs to be somethingthat, you know, it's cute to
plan a nursery and pick out thedecor and the name and do a
gender reveal.
This is the real stuff thatthat women and and you know,
husbands and families need to betalking about before they have
babies.
We need discernment.
(33:05):
We need discernment.
And you know, they'repediatricians are really quick
to say, only introduce one foodat a time so you can monitor for
reaction.
Well, how about the newvax list, which is a six in one
shot and the sneaky thing thatpediatricians are doing, they're
appealing to the parent's heartby saying, Oh, your child will
only need one needle instead ofsix.
We have no long-term, nolong-term studies on this.
Michele Folan (33:26):
Yeah.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Ca (33:26):
And some of the studies that that
have been the bedrock of like,oh, this is safe, they include
only 15 to 20,000 patients.
So you think, oh, this isthousands of patients.
This is a good study.
It's a large population.
But they've shown that theyneed closer to, like, for
example, 100,000 patients toactually look at the full array
(33:47):
of side effects and possibledeath.
And that's where I think it is.
We need to weigh the sideeffects versus the benefits.
Michele Folan (33:54):
Yeah.
And this is this is a greatconversation because I I do
want, you know, this generationnow having kids to look at
things a little differently.
Because we didn't, we reallydidn't question.
But I think we've we now haveenough data to say, hmm, let's
let's hold the phone, let's,let's pull back the reins a
little bit and let's make surethat this really is what we want
(34:17):
right now for our child.
So thank you for that.
I really appreciate that.
Because like I said, we've gota lot of grandparents that are
trying to navigate thisconflicting information online
as well.
And they wanna they want to bethere and be supportive as well.
Kind of a little personalquestion for you both.
What is one health hill youabsolutely die on?
(34:40):
Like what's your what's yourthing?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski (34:42):
There's a lot.
Do we have an hour anotherhour?
I think that's what's made ussuch good friends is that we
really do practice what wepreach.
We're not perfect, but I mean,I think it's so important to us,
all those pillars of health.
I think sleep is a hill I willdie on.
I was gonna say, you are notgonna find us up late anymore.
(35:04):
We can't make it.
We're not gonna do it.
So it's like you can you cansupplement, you can exercise,
you can eat perfect, perfectly,you can do whatever you want.
But if you are not getting goodquality sleep, nothing's gonna
work well.
Nothing.
You aren't gonna be happy,you're gonna be cranky, right?
It life is gonna be harder in alot of different ways.
So sleep, sleep, sleep, sleep,sleep.
(35:24):
If you're having troublesleeping, work on your sleep
first.
You cannot out-GLP your sleep.
You cannot out-Ozempic badsleep.
No, sleep is more importantthan exercise.
If you're someone who exercisesevery day, and if you have the
decision to sleep or exercise,get your sleep.
That's way more important.
Yeah.
Michele Folan (35:41):
I love naps.
Yeah, yes, I'm a big, I'm a bignap girl.
Is there a hill that you usedto feel strongly about but
you've softened on?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Ca (35:51):
You know, I think um in having
kids, loosening up a little biton just the perfection of
things, whether it's allowing,you know, the processed snaps
here and there and stillchoosing better options, but
just giving them the reins alittle bit more, letting loose,
um, and worrying about, youknow, being perfect for them, I
(36:14):
think.
I have six kiddos, and I wouldsay my first two, it was like
picture perfect.
I was making all their food andit was like nothing went into
their body that wasn't pristine.
And now, you know, I have twoand a half-year-old twin boys,
and like they they haven't hadany screens.
So there's some areas that I'meven better on, but sometimes
it's like, I mean, they're noteven Cheetos all day.
But even with my other kids,it's I don't want to drive
(36:38):
myself crazy and not let them gohave a food dye cupcake at an
Easter party next month.
You know what I mean?
I'm not gonna die on that hill,but certainly we're gonna rein
it in when we're at home.
Michele Folan (36:49):
Yeah.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & C (36:50):
It's all about it.
Michele Folan (36:51):
You know what?
And you know, we don't we don'twant to make our kids afraid.
Yeah, right.
Right.
And so I think there's there'sa healthy balance there, but
they certainly need to make wisechoices.
And you're you got you gotyears ahead of guiding them
through all those bad choicesthat are in front of them all
(37:12):
day long.
We'll call you Michele in everyyear and say, what do we do?
Yeah, my my daughters are likealmost 29 and almost 31.
So yeah, so that's yeah, yeah,yeah.
And and and now I look backtalking to you two, and I think,
oh my god, how differentlywould I have done things?
You know, they had the theVelveeta shells and cheese
(37:35):
probably three times a week, anddeli ham and and little
Caesar's pizza.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & Ca (37:44):
Oh, little Caesars, the breadsticks
were so good though, right?
We all had that, right?
I think that's part of growingup in a way, you know.
And that's one thing I hope itcomes across on Kill Blossom.
You know, we talk about a lotof negative topics, and
unfortunately, social media,like those are the posts that do
well.
So we have to kind of push thatbutton a little bit.
But we're actually quite happy,content, joyful people are very
(38:05):
happy.
But I hope that's somethingthat's conveyed on Kill Blossom.
We don't ever want to shamesomeone for giving their kids
Velveeta growing up.
We don't want you to feeljudged just because we talk
about a product that we love andit may not be your thing.
Like it's there's room foreveryone to both have grace and
make mistakes and learn from itand to be forever growing and
improving.
Michele Folan (38:25):
Um yeah.
I rolled too when you guys hadthe tinfoil hats on.
That was that was the best.
I was like, oh, I like theseladies.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski (38:35):
They're awesome.
We have to have a little fun.
Social media can get a littlewild.
So we have to have a littlefun.
Michele Folan (38:41):
Yeah, absolutely.
Carly and Rachel, where can wefind Ask Nook and the body of
your work?
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (38:48):
Thank you.
Yes.
Um, Nook can be found in theApp Store.
Apple, I don't.
We we are working hard onmaking for um Android.
Thank you.
So it's available for Appleright now, and we're working to
release other versions hopefullysoon.
And you can find us online atkaleblossom.com.
We have our Instagram,kale.blossom.
(39:09):
We have our Pinterest page.
What else?
Where are we?
Facebook, Kale Blossom.
And then Nook's um Instagram isask.nook.
So you can find it there.
And there is a link to todownload a free trial of the app
there also.
Fantastic.
You know, we're we're alwayslike getting into new things, so
you never know what we're gonnado next.
So stay tuned.
Michele Folan (39:29):
Oh no, I think something's coming.
You're just not ready to tellus yet.
No, maybe.
Oh, Carly and Rachel, this wasa lot of fun.
I will put all of this in theshow notes, and I really
appreciate you both being heretoday.
Drs. Rachel Marynowski & (39:43):
Thank you.
Ciao.
Michele Folan (39:46):
Before you go, thank you for being here.
If you want to go a littledeeper, make sure you check out
the show notes for this episode.
That's where I link anything wementioned, resources, partners,
or tools I actually use andtrust.
And if you're not already onthe Asking for a Friend
community newsletter, that'swhere I share practical midlife
tips, favorite finds, recipes,and the things that don't always
(40:09):
make it onto the podcast orInstagram.
You'll find the link to join inthe show notes.
Take care, and I'll see younext week.
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