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This episode marks our fifth anniversary where we go back and do follow ups and business checks, checking in on some of our past guests to get updates. This year I built the episode around an interview I recently had with Steve Keogh, the retired Scotland Yard murder detective who was on the show a few years ago. We also hear a behind-the-scenes canine for Brotherhood for the Fallen.
Links and resources:
- Steve Keogh - Ep 030, Ep 061: https://stevekeogh.com
- Jason Marsman - Bonus Ep 50: Brotherhood for the Fallen https://www.brotherhoodnyc.org
- Jim Sutterby - Ep 003, 007, et al.
- Richard Breshears - Ep 101
- Ryan Miller - 023, 056, 097, et al.
- Shawn McGee - Ep 069
Music is by Chris Haugen and by Jeremy Korpas and Rick Barry ("Care is Heavy")
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SPEAKER_02 (00:03):
Welcome to Hey Chaplin.
My name is Jared Altic and I'm achaplain with the police
department.
Hey Chaplin is the PoliceWellness Podcast, and we cover
the best topics about career,health, and family so that you
can be healthier.
This episode marks our fifthanniversary, and this is where
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we go back and do follow-ups andbusiness checks, checking in on
some of our past guests to getupdates on what they've been
doing.
This year I built the episodearound an interview I recently
had with Steve Keogh.
Steve is the retired ScotlandYard murder detective who was on
the show a couple times a fewyears back.
(00:46):
When I say that the guests ofHey Chaplin extend from LAPD to
Scotland Yard, Steve is theoriginal Scotland Yard
component.
Let's catch up with what Stevehas been doing.
Here's Stephen Keogh.
Hello, Steve.
SPEAKER_00 (01:03):
How are you today?
Jared, yeah, I'm good.
Thank you very much for havingme back on.
It's been two or three years, Ithink, isn't it?
It's been a while.
SPEAKER_02 (01:10):
Yeah, yes, it has.
Yes, it has.
It's been it's been a while.
But uh, I'm eager to find outwhat you've been up to.
First, let me ask, uh, kind offor a quick recap, uh, tell me
about your law enforcementcareer, uh, what you've done,
uh, just a few a few notes likethat, so people who don't
remember can kind of place whoyou are and what you've done.
SPEAKER_00 (01:30):
Yeah, so I was I did 30 years with the Met Police in
London.
Um most of that as a detective.
I spent the last 12 years inhomicide, and we get classed as
Scotland Yard detectives, eventhough we don't work out of
Scotland Yard anymore.
Um and yeah, since sinceleaving, I think I can't
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remember what our firstinterview was about, if I'm
honest.
I know the second one was aboutJack the Ripper.
unknown (01:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:57):
So I've written the first one might have been about
some of the anti-terrorismstuff.
I'd have to actually have to goback in my notes and look.
SPEAKER_00 (02:07):
I mean, that would have been that would have been
about four years ago, wouldn'tit?
That one.
So yeah, so yes, so yeah, sothat's me.
He's career career detectivebasically in London, um, and
since leaving written a coupleof books and and done some other
projects which I'll talk abouttoday.
SPEAKER_02 (02:21):
The the Jack the Ripper stuff was very well
received.
People talk to me about that allthe time.
I get messages all the timeabout your your Jack the Ripper
stuff.
They've read your book and andthey appreciate the very
grounded, you know, hey, this isjust an analytical look at Jack
the Ripper.
Now, I do want to know how wasthat book received?
(02:45):
Because a lot of Jack the Ripperfans don't want a grounded,
practical, analytical look.
They want you to tell them thatit was a member of the royal
family, right?
SPEAKER_00 (02:56):
Yeah, it would be funny, funny you should say
that.
So so you know the style I wrotewhere I used rather than just
regurgitate a load of facts,which every book I've read on
Jack the Ripper just was thesame facts, just maybe in a
different order and a differentslant.
I decided I'd make it a bit moreaccessible to people that
wouldn't normally read Jack theRipper.
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So I I used that narrative stylewhere I introduced the witnesses
as characters and told it fromtheir point of view, which the
die hard Jack the Ripper fanshated because they as far as
they were concerned, I wastaking liberties, I was putting
words in people's mouths.
But I wasn't I wasn't all right,I was I was put I was putting
words in their mouths in termsof some of some of what came out
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of their mouth would would havebeen it was obviously made up,
but it was based on theirevidence.
So I wasn't making things up, Iwas just trying to bring them to
life.
Yeah, and which which you didthat really well.
SPEAKER_02 (03:51):
If someone hasn't read your book yet, i i it is
very well written.
You would think that you hadbeen a lifelong fiction author
because because you wrote itreally well.
SPEAKER_00 (04:02):
It it's good.
Thank you.
Yeah, so so that that's what Iwant.
I went I didn't want it just tobe a dry book of facts,
especially when I'm gettinganalytic analytical myself.
It's like, well, it's it's gottahave some bit of life to it, and
though and that's how I decidedto do it.
And I don't regret that at all,but the but I got invited to um
every year they have aconference uh in in East London,
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and it's the real Jack theRipper um enthusiasts, and they
invited me to come along and doa talk, and I was debating
should I do it or not.
I felt like I was gonna go intothe lions then.
But I went, but I went and Idecided I was what the angle
that I was going to talk aboutwas from my perspective of a
detective, why he committed themurders that he did and what was
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motivating him, what was drivinghim to kill.
And I I did it and I went in andI gave my point of view in terms
of what crimes I think hecommitted, that kind of thing.
And I was I was expecting to besort of have things thrown at
me.
But the feedback was amazing.
Some some real sort of heavyhitters in the Jack the Ripple
world.
Some and and I I hate talkinglike like this, but they came up
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to me afterwards and they saidit was one of, if not the best
talk they've ever had there.
Oh good.
I was like I was like, that'samazing, thank you.
Because I really did think I wascoming here to get booed.
Because you say I was cominghere, I was coming here from a
few different ways.
SPEAKER_02 (05:27):
I I read I read some of the online comments on your
book.
Uh Amazon or oh, brutal, brutal,they were so mad at you, but but
I think you treated it right,and I think you treated it with
respect to the victims, to thefacts of the case.
That's why I liked your book.
(05:48):
Yeah, and I I remember readingit late at night.
You sent me an electronic copy,and I was reading it on my phone
at one or two o'clock in themorning because I couldn't stop
reading it.
Amazing.
And I'm not a Jack the Ripperenthusiast, I'm not a true crime
guy, but it was well written,and I enjoyed it, and I thought,
oh, this is great, but I canalso tell I'm the ideal audience
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for this book and the Jack theRipper fandom may not be.
SPEAKER_00 (06:15):
100% Sherry, when you write a book, you can't
write a book to pleaseeverybody.
You you you you you get told topick an avatar, pick a person
who you're writing a book for.
And I was writing it for you.
I was writing for two people Iwas, I was writing for people
that wouldn't normally pick up aJack and the Ripper book, and if
they did, they would probablyturn off after a few pages
because it literally is just alist of facts.
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And I didn't want that.
And okay, yeah, so the theriperologists didn't appreciate
that.
But the ones I spoke to theresaid once they got past that,
the things I wrote about, theysaid was was really good.
They but they really appreciatedit, but they couldn't get over
the narrative style, which I butI said to them, look, without
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wishing to be rude, I wasn'twriting it for you.
Um yeah, yeah, and it's justwhat it is, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02 (07:03):
I want to take a moment and say thank you to all
of my guests over the last fiveyears, especially some of the
local cops and chaplains who notonly have bent over backwards to
help me produce content by beingon the show themselves, but
they've helped me track downleads on all of these far-flung
guests.
I believe that I have about 130guests who have done long form
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interviews.
However, I've got another fewdozen who have done short
promotional spots or they'vecontributed to compilation
episodes.
So there's somewhere around 150people who have participated in
this show, and frankly, it'seasy to lose track.
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When I only had a few dozenguests to keep track of, I would
call them or email them or textthem fairly regularly, and that
has dropped off.
It's there's just too manypeople now.
But I do keep a list, andwhenever I hear news, I keep
track of promotions and thatkind of a thing, which I'd like
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to share a few of those with younow.
First off, friend of the show,Jim Sutterby, who appeared early
on in episodes three and sevenand helped me out by making
appearances multiple othertimes.
He is now the new police chiefin Spring Hill, Kansas.
Congratulations, Jim.
It's extremely well deserved.
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I had the pleasure of attendinga promotion ceremony at the
Overland Park Police Departmentin Overland Park, Kansas, not
too far from where I live.
And there we saw two guests getpromoted on the same day.
First of all, Captain RichardBrashears became Major Richard
Brashears.
He was in episode 101.
(08:50):
And then friend of the show,Ryan Miller, who has made
appearances as a captain and amajor, is now Lieutenant
Colonel, a deputy chief there atthat second level of command of
the Overland Park PoliceDepartment.
Deputy Chief Miller has mademultiple appearances: episode
23, episode 56, episode 97, andseveral others.
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Congratulations to both of thoseguys.
And also congratulations toCaptain Sean McGee, who is now
Major Sean McGee.
He was in episode 69.
And just recently, at the timeof this recording, I was paged
out to a homicide scene.
And when I arrived, it was MajorMcGee who was the commander in
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charge.
Now I'm going to switch gearsjust a little bit.
I want to show you an excerptfrom a very recent interview.
This is from my interview withJason Marsman from Fellowship
for the Fallen.
That's bonus episode 50, uh,just here in May of 2026.
Sometimes you're in the middleof an episode and you're not
(09:55):
sure what that other noise isthat you're hearing.
SPEAKER_03 (09:59):
Here's Jason Marsman.
In comparison to Chicago, we'renow in comparison to New York.
Just a second.
Is your dog snorting?
Yeah, she's crawling.
She's such a dope.
I'm gonna send her out of theroom again.
(10:21):
We're doing a lot of work on thehouse, so some things are
falling by the wayside.
One of them is the door doesn'tclose all the way, so she pushes
it open with her nose and thencomes in.
SPEAKER_01 (10:31):
Alright, go back, go back to that's it's funny.
I'm listening, I'm like, what amI hearing?
So then she just lays there andgrowls at the leaves going by,
you know.
No, that's fine, that's fine,that's fine.
SPEAKER_02 (10:43):
Dogs are often the source of extraneous noises.
I hope it was snoring orgrowling.
Sometimes I wonder, but I wantedto make sure I kept that
particular clip to play in thisepisode.
Let's run through our top tencountries.
Of course, the United States,far and away, with about 90% of
my downloads.
But then after the US, we haveCanada, Australia, the UK,
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Germany, Ireland, South Africa,Mexico, New Zealand, and then
Spain rounds out the top ten.
The top ten cities are St.
Louis, Missouri, Chicago,Illinois, Dallas, Texas, Denver,
Colorado, Charlotte, NorthCarolina, Phoenix, Arizona, Los
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Angeles, California,Indianapolis, Indiana, Columbus,
Ohio, new to the top ten, andMelbourne, Australia, just
barely edging out Houston,Texas.
I want to encourage you to lookat the show notes of the show.
Now, sometimes it's a little bitdifficult.
You might have to go into asub-menu depending on which app
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you're using.
Sometimes it's called the shownotes, sometimes it's called the
episode description.
But either way, these are thewritten notes that accompany
each episode.
When you go to that, you'regoing to find a link that says
that you can text the show orleave a voicemail.
That voicemail feature is new.
It's limited in how much time.
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I'm not sure what the quality isalways going to be.
And I can't guarantee that ifyou leave a voicemail, that I
can actually use it in a futureepisode, but there is that
possibility.
So if you have a question forthe show, if you have a request,
if you have a comment that you'dlike to leave, you can write out
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that text message, or you caneven leave a voicemail, and I'm
eager to hear what you have tosay.
Now, let's return to thatinterview with Steven Keogh.
So tell me what your career pathhas led to.
You know, you're retired, youare working with publishing
companies and televisionproducers and that kind of
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thing.
Tell me what you've been doingthe last couple of years.
SPEAKER_00 (12:55):
Oh, mate.
I mean, honestly, if you if youhad said to me when I retired
that this is what I was going tobe doing, I'd have I'd have said
you were mad.
I'd like none of it is planned.
So when I when I was comingtowards the end of my career, I
knew I wanted to do something alittle bit different.
I didn't want to just go fromone job to another.
I I think a lot of yourlisteners will appreciate this
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when I describe in my career,every time I looked up in terms
of the people that weresupervising me, more often than
not, I'd look up and I wouldjust be like, You just don't
know what you're doing.
You don't know what you'retalking about.
You're in charge of me and youhaven't got a clue.
And it just used to drive memad.
It's one of the most biggest, itwas probably the biggest
frustration in my career.
Is every time I looked up, I I Inot every time, but virtually
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every time I looked up, I hadvery little respect really for
the people above me because ofthe way they got there, the way
they acted when they were there.
And I just didn't want to workfor anybody again.
That's that was my drive.
So I was like, well, what whatam I going to do when I leave
the police in order to earn?
I don't I'm I'm I've got mypension, so I don't need to get
a big career afterwards.
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I just need something as a bitof a top-up, essentially.
So I was like, well, what is itthat I did in my career that I
could take outside that would besellable, essentially?
And every time I was readingabout you go on forums, you go
to Facebook and whatnot, you andthey always talk about these
transferable skills that thecops have got.
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And as if like it's it itthey're the type of skills that
virtually nobody outside has ifyou c if you collect them all
together, because if you if youspend time on the police, you
deal with stuff that mostmembers of the public wouldn't
have a clue and they would runaway, not and not not go towards
it type thing.
So I was like, Well, I want todo something where I'm not
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rather than me trying to fit inwith what you're doing, what
about if I come to you and Isay, I'm good at this, would you
like to learn it from me?
So that was that was my ideawhen I come out.
And and for me, my my number onething I enjoyed the most, and I
think I was I was best at wasdecision making, especially
those decisions that you'remaking under pressure, where
you've you're having to make itin a short amount of time,
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you've got limited information,you know the consequences are
bad if you get it wrong.
So that that was what I wantedto do.
So that was my goal when I cameout.
I'm gonna go into companies, I'mgonna train them uh in how I
make decisions and try and teachit in a way that they could take
it away and and use itthemselves.
And everything I I read said ifyou want to position yourself as
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an expert, write a book.
So that's what I decided to do.
I decided to write a book.
This this is how we investigatemurders, and this is how the
lessons from that can benefityou in business and personal
life and whatever.
But when I started to write it,it was it didn't work.
It was like it was two differentbooks.
It was like this is how weinvestigate murders, and these
are the skills from it.
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It wasn't quite working.
So I thought, well, what I'lldo, I'll write a book first
about how we investigatemurders, and then a follow-up of
how that those lessons can workin business, etc.
And so that was a very differentbook to what I was originally
writing.
So mine's gonna be the idea, wasit was if I talk about avatars,
I was aiming it at sort ofjunior managers, senior
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managers, whatever, someonewho's having to make decisions,
and there are consequences forthe decisions they make.
Now I'm writing a book about howwe investigate murders.
It's like, oh, that's verydifferent, isn't it?
I was like, well, so what I did,I went on a couple of Facebook
groups, one in America and onein the UK.
I said, This is me, I'm writinga book about how murder's
investigated.
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What would you like to know?
This is just true crime facts.
So I put up a SurveyMonkey.
Um and I do actually, if youever use Survey Monkey, be
careful because if you get loadsof responses, it becomes very
expensive to get them back.
I realized that.
600 responses I got, and I waslike, it was amazing, and it
basically formed the basis ofwhat my book was going to be.
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Because it's I if I'm writing itto you and you're telling me
what you want to know, it madeit made it very easy for me to
to structure the book.
Yeah, then that opened uh anavenue that I really wasn't uh
expecting or particularlywanted.
So in order to promote the book,I went to this uh PR company and
they they they weren'tparticularly good, they were
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just basically had a list ofemails and just spammed people.
I think we've got released thisbook.
But they they sent this email tothis um daytime TV show in the
UK, it's one of the biggest inthe UK, and I got an invite to
go on there and and talk aboutthe book.
And honestly, Jared, if you ifyou know about sliding door
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moments, this was the moment forme where I I can see everything
changed from there.
Because I went I went on thisprogram, it was a bit
nerve-wracking because it's liveand it's like I I know it's
probably not a big number inAmerica, but in the UK, it's a
million people watching it.
So you you got this you got thispressure, and I and I I got the
usual got messages fromex-colleagues taking the Mickey
out of me and all that kind ofstuff.
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But in a in amongst all theMickey taking, I got um I got an
email from a publisher's becauseI'd self-published this book,
because I did it myself throughAmazon and whatnot, they said
we'd like to buy the rights forit.
And so I had a meeting with themand they decided to buy the
rights.
Then they said, Would you liketo write any other books?
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You got anything else in yourmind?
And that's when I had the Jackthe Ripper in my mind.
So they then they uh they weagreed a publishing deal for the
Jack the Ripper book.
So that that happened.
Then this this I don't know ifyou you have it in America, and
most of your uh listenersprobably uh wouldn't be aware of
this thing, but it's calledCrime Con.
It's like a conference for truecrime fans, and and they have it
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here in the UK, and they invitedme along because they saw me on
this TV program.
And I did a I did two or threeof them for them, and then I
think the second one I was I wastalking as I was talking, I I
was on stage with loads of sortof these heavy hitters from the
true crime world, and I felt Ihad a bit of imposter syndromes.
It's like everybody here knowsthese people, they ain't got a
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clue who I am.
So I said, right, so I decidedto talk about my book a bit so
that they could see that I notonly was I was I a carp,
actually, I've done somethingsince.
And it was this woman in thefront row who's giving me these
weird looks.
And I went outside and shewalked up to me and I thought,
oh, she's gonna be a nutter orsomething, isn't she?
And she got to me and she sheintroduced herself, and she
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basically was the top poncho inin a TV uh channel.
Uh AMC.
So the AMC in the UK is a is aspin-off from ANC in in America.
And she said, when you weredescribing your book, it sounded
to me like it could lend itselfto a TV series.
Um do you want would maybe wecould meet up and have a coffee?
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And you know when people saythat and you just think, okay,
yeah, I'll say alright,whatever.
And she she contacted me and wedid.
We went out, we actually wentout for a a drink, uh a couple
of wines.
And yeah, she wanted to make aTV show, so we ended up having a
few um production companiespitch in what their ideas around
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it and what they would do.
And yeah, we ended up makingthis TV series.
We've we've we've made uh threeseasons, although it was
squeezed into two, so we've made30 episodes.
It's called Secrets of a MurderDetective, and it's on it's on
Amazon and Apple TV and and andsort of channels here in the UK.
And yeah, and it it's just I I Ican't really get my head around
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it to be honest.
I've got a face for radio, Ihaven't got a face for TV.
Um but it's a real but I reallyenjoy it.
So it's the the premise of theshow is I sit down with a
detective and we talk about acase from their career, and in
in the background that they thethe TV company tell the story of
the murder, whilst I sit downand talk about detectives trying
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to get behind the scenes and thepressures and and sort of a
peer-to-peer.
So it's a conversation that theywouldn't normally have because I
understand I've been in theirshoes.
Yeah, that's been well received.
Uh third season's just finishedairing over here.
Um, and yeah, and I've juststopped just finished filming a
TV programme about Jack theRipper as well.
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So that that that's going tocome out in the UK later this
year.
So none of these things I hadplanned.
Um, but in the background, I'veI've now got back into because I
kept getting distracted by theTV and whatnot.
I've now started doing um publicspeaking and training in
companies around decisionmaking, which is what I've
always wanted to do.
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Plan A.
Yeah.
Plan A, yeah.
I've taken a roundaboutroundabout route to get here.
Um, but yeah, let's say the weekbefore last, I just I was I gave
a talk at um Google HQ in inLondon, and that that that went
down really well.
So I'm that's what I'm mostpassionate about.
I don't I do TV, but I don't Idon't get that that sort of
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satisfaction from it.
I really do get satisfactionfrom standing up and doing what
I really what what I'mpassionate about, which is that
sharing the knowledge that Ibuilt up in mode investigation,
and and I what I've done is I'veI've Basically, I sat down and
it's like, well I I would turnup to crime scenes and it would
generally be real chaos.
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And it would be me that wouldcome in, sort of bring order to
that chaos.
It was my job to to take overthat scene and make sure
everything that was needed to bedone was done.
I sat down and I was like, well,well, what was going through my
mind?
What what was my thought processthat allowed me to do that in a
way that was was successful?
And I and I but I sort of, youknow, it was one of those light
bulb moments, it suddenly hitme, and I and I and I've now got
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this way that I teach people howto make decisions, which is
really, really simple, butreally, really effective, and it
mirrored what what I did.
Um and I really enjoyeddelivering that.
So yeah, so that's now that'swhat I really am hoping is going
to um gain a bit of momentum.
SPEAKER_02 (22:47):
So, how far into the TV work were you before you
looked yourself up on IMDb?
SPEAKER_00 (22:57):
I it was if I'm honest, it's only recently I
didn't I didn't realize I had anIMDB.
SPEAKER_02 (23:03):
Well, good for you, because a lot of people, the
very first job they have, theywant to go look if they have an
IMDB you know profile yet.
And so that's good for you forfor holding out longer than most
of us would have.
SPEAKER_00 (23:16):
Somebody said to me, if you if you Googled yourself,
I said no, so I'll Google myselfand it comes up as TV
personality.
That's just not true.
SPEAKER_02 (23:27):
That's funny.
We had a uh television crew, adocumentary crew from the UK
here at our uh uh policedepartment.
Uh this is maybe five or sixyears ago, and they filmed
several murder scenes and thatkind of thing, and I was on
scene for some of those.
Uh I actually had a sit-downinterview with them and and and
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I was on scene.
I knew I knew I had one timewhere we were we were there for
like six or seven hours, and Iknew I was on camera.
I mean, I knew hours and hoursof footage of me walking around.
Well, that episode came out afew years later, and I sat down,
like you get the kids and thewife to say, okay, this is this
is it, this is it.
And sure enough, one half secondscene, I am you can see I was
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wearing an orange color shirt,and you can see me walking
behind a car, and that's it.
That's the whole thing.
That was that everything,everything else was cut, and so
I am basically not there at all.
And I'm like, wow, okay, so noIMDB profile for me.
So yeah.
It's time, there's time, mate.
That's right.
Where can people find yourbooks, your TV shows, and in
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your speaking engagements?
Let's get people away to findyou.
SPEAKER_00 (24:36):
But you know what?
I don't know whether there'ssort of um geolocation issues.
I don't know, because it's onApple TV and Amazon, which
obviously is well white, but Idon't know whether it's locked
in into that.
SPEAKER_02 (24:51):
Do you know if the titles are the same from one
region to the next?
Because sometimes titles change.
I think it's an enemy hard tofind the show.
SPEAKER_00 (24:58):
Secrets of a murder detective, yeah.
I think I think it's okay.
SPEAKER_02 (25:01):
Secrets of a murder detective.
SPEAKER_00 (25:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (25:03):
Steve, or probably Steven.
SPEAKER_00 (25:05):
Steve Keogh.
No, you know, I don't know I'vegot I've got this dual
personality.
For my books, I'm Stephen Keogh.
For TV and everything else, I'mSteve Keo.
Now I don't know why I've landedon that.
Steve Keogh, K-E-A-E-O-G-A.
Yeah, I've got a website, SteveKeo.com, so everything
everything's out there.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (25:21):
And uh uh the books are on the website too.
SPEAKER_00 (25:25):
Uh yeah, but they're on Amazon, so you can get them
on there.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (25:29):
Well, that's fantastic.
Steve, God bless you.
I'm happy for your success.
I'm happy people are using youbecause frankly, there are
lesser men who could be outthere making TV shows, and I'm
glad it's you and not there'sthat's one of the nicest things
anyone's ever said.
SPEAKER_00 (25:44):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_04 (25:49):
We spent years in training fighting battles up
hill when care is heavy andgetting heavy still.
(26:20):
Never too hard to find, you knowthe places that I like to hide,
and we'll go there side by sideyou and I our footsteps in
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perfect strike.
SPEAKER_02 (26:52):
I want to thank Steve Keo for being on the show.
You'll hear more from him infuture detective compilation
episodes.
And then I also want to thankeverybody for listening to the
show.
I have been able to maintain myproduction of episodes once a
week.
The main episodes are on thefirst, third, and fifth Monday,
and then I do part two episodesor bonus episodes in between on
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the second and fourth Mondays.
And I've been able to maintainthat schedule because I work
ahead.
Often I'm a month or two orthree ahead of when I actually
have to publish an episode.
And that schedule was put to thetest because we had some family
things going on that made itvery difficult to do anything
extra.
And so basically, I was able toproduce the interviews and
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everything else had to go onhibernation mode.
If it seems that I've been onsocial media less and kept up
with correspondence less, thatis accurate.
All of that stuff had to bedialed back and just the bare
bones, what does it take to keepproducing episodes?
That represented all of theeffort that I was able to put
into the show.
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And I'm very happy that I wasable to keep up with the
production schedule.
It's times of testing like thisthat show where there's parts of
the workflow that aresuperfluous that you don't
absolutely have to do.
For instance, the show keptgrowing even though I wasn't
really producing anything onsocial media for quite some
time.
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But I am back now and I am veryhappy to be producing the Hey
Chaplin podcast.
I hope that I'm able to do itfor years and years to come.
If you want to help this showreach more cops, chaplains, and
other first responders aroundthe world, please follow the
link in the episode descriptionto support the show.
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Remember that the viewsexpressed here are the personal
views of the hosts and ourguests, and do not necessarily
represent the views of any lawenforcement agency or its
components.
If you like this episode, pleaseshare it with a cop or someone
who loves a cop.
Thank you for listening to HeyChaplin.
And as always, let's pray forpeace in our cities.
SPEAKER_04 (29:03):
We spent years in training, fighting battles of
hill when care is heavy andgetting heavy still.
Welcome to Hey Chaplin.
My name is Jared Altic and I'm achaplain with the police
department.
Hey Chaplin is the PoliceWellness Podcast, and we cover
the best topics about career,health, and family so that you
can be healthier.
This episode marks our fifthanniversary, and this is where
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we go back and do follow-ups andbusiness checks, checking in on
some of our past guests to getupdates on what they've been
doing.
This year I built the episodearound an interview I recently
had with Steve Keogh.
Steve is the retired ScotlandYard murder detective who was on
the show a couple times a fewyears back.
(00:46):
When I say that the guests ofHey Chaplin extend from LAPD to
Scotland Yard, Steve is theoriginal Scotland Yard
component.
Let's catch up with what Stevehas been doing.
Here's Stephen Keogh.
Hello, Steve.
SPEAKER_00 (01:03):
How are you today?
Jared, yeah, I'm good.
Thank you very much for havingme back on.
It's been two or three years, Ithink, isn't it?
It's been a while.
SPEAKER_02 (01:10):
Yeah, yes, it has.
Yes, it has.
It's been it's been a while.
But uh, I'm eager to find outwhat you've been up to.
First, let me ask, uh, kind offor a quick recap, uh, tell me
about your law enforcementcareer, uh, what you've done,
uh, just a few a few notes likethat, so people who don't
remember can kind of place whoyou are and what you've done.
SPEAKER_00 (01:30):
Yeah, so I was I did 30 years with the Met Police in
London.
Um most of that as a detective.
I spent the last 12 years inhomicide, and we get classed as
Scotland Yard detectives, eventhough we don't work out of
Scotland Yard anymore.
Um and yeah, since sinceleaving, I think I can't
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remember what our firstinterview was about, if I'm
honest.
I know the second one was aboutJack the Ripper.
unknown (01:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:57):
So I've written the first one might have been about
some of the anti-terrorismstuff.
I'd have to actually have to goback in my notes and look.
SPEAKER_00 (02:07):
I mean, that would have been that would have been
about four years ago, wouldn'tit?
That one.
So yeah, so yes, so yeah, sothat's me.
He's career career detectivebasically in London, um, and
since leaving written a coupleof books and and done some other
projects which I'll talk abouttoday.
SPEAKER_02 (02:21):
The the Jack the Ripper stuff was very well
received.
People talk to me about that allthe time.
I get messages all the timeabout your your Jack the Ripper
stuff.
They've read your book and andthey appreciate the very
grounded, you know, hey, this isjust an analytical look at Jack
the Ripper.
Now, I do want to know how wasthat book received?
(02:45):
Because a lot of Jack the Ripperfans don't want a grounded,
practical, analytical look.
They want you to tell them thatit was a member of the royal
family, right?
SPEAKER_00 (02:56):
Yeah, it would be funny, funny you should say
that.
So so you know the style I wrotewhere I used rather than just
regurgitate a load of facts,which every book I've read on
Jack the Ripper just was thesame facts, just maybe in a
different order and a differentslant.
I decided I'd make it a bit moreaccessible to people that
wouldn't normally read Jack theRipper.
(03:17):
So I I used that narrative stylewhere I introduced the witnesses
as characters and told it fromtheir point of view, which the
die hard Jack the Ripper fanshated because they as far as
they were concerned, I wastaking liberties, I was putting
words in people's mouths.
But I wasn't I wasn't all right,I was I was put I was putting
words in their mouths in termsof some of some of what came out
(03:40):
of their mouth would would havebeen it was obviously made up,
but it was based on theirevidence.
So I wasn't making things up, Iwas just trying to bring them to
life.
Yeah, and which which you didthat really well.
SPEAKER_02 (03:51):
If someone hasn't read your book yet, i i it is
very well written.
You would think that you hadbeen a lifelong fiction author
because because you wrote itreally well.
SPEAKER_00 (04:02):
It it's good.
Thank you.
Yeah, so so that that's what Iwant.
I went I didn't want it just tobe a dry book of facts,
especially when I'm gettinganalytic analytical myself.
It's like, well, it's it's gottahave some bit of life to it, and
though and that's how I decidedto do it.
And I don't regret that at all,but the but I got invited to um
every year they have aconference uh in in East London,
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and it's the real Jack theRipper um enthusiasts, and they
invited me to come along and doa talk, and I was debating
should I do it or not.
I felt like I was gonna go intothe lions then.
But I went, but I went and Idecided I was what the angle
that I was going to talk aboutwas from my perspective of a
detective, why he committed themurders that he did and what was
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motivating him, what was drivinghim to kill.
And I I did it and I went in andI gave my point of view in terms
of what crimes I think hecommitted, that kind of thing.
And I was I was expecting to besort of have things thrown at
me.
But the feedback was amazing.
Some some real sort of heavyhitters in the Jack the Ripple
world.
Some and and I I hate talkinglike like this, but they came up
(05:10):
to me afterwards and they saidit was one of, if not the best
talk they've ever had there.
Oh good.
I was like I was like, that'samazing, thank you.
Because I really did think I wascoming here to get booed.
Because you say I was cominghere, I was coming here from a
few different ways.
SPEAKER_02 (05:27):
I I read I read some of the online comments on your
book.
Uh Amazon or oh, brutal, brutal,they were so mad at you, but but
I think you treated it right,and I think you treated it with
respect to the victims, to thefacts of the case.
That's why I liked your book.
(05:48):
Yeah, and I I remember readingit late at night.
You sent me an electronic copy,and I was reading it on my phone
at one or two o'clock in themorning because I couldn't stop
reading it.
Amazing.
And I'm not a Jack the Ripperenthusiast, I'm not a true crime
guy, but it was well written,and I enjoyed it, and I thought,
oh, this is great, but I canalso tell I'm the ideal audience
(06:12):
for this book and the Jack theRipper fandom may not be.
SPEAKER_00 (06:15):
100% Sherry, when you write a book, you can't
write a book to pleaseeverybody.
You you you you you get told topick an avatar, pick a person
who you're writing a book for.
And I was writing it for you.
I was writing for two people Iwas, I was writing for people
that wouldn't normally pick up aJack and the Ripper book, and if
they did, they would probablyturn off after a few pages
because it literally is just alist of facts.
(06:36):
And I didn't want that.
And okay, yeah, so the theriperologists didn't appreciate
that.
But the ones I spoke to theresaid once they got past that,
the things I wrote about, theysaid was was really good.
They but they really appreciatedit, but they couldn't get over
the narrative style, which I butI said to them, look, without
(06:56):
wishing to be rude, I wasn'twriting it for you.
Um yeah, yeah, and it's justwhat it is, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02 (07:03):
I want to take a moment and say thank you to all
of my guests over the last fiveyears, especially some of the
local cops and chaplains who notonly have bent over backwards to
help me produce content by beingon the show themselves, but
they've helped me track downleads on all of these far-flung
guests.
I believe that I have about 130guests who have done long form
(07:27):
interviews.
However, I've got another fewdozen who have done short
promotional spots or they'vecontributed to compilation
episodes.
So there's somewhere around 150people who have participated in
this show, and frankly, it'seasy to lose track.
(07:49):
When I only had a few dozenguests to keep track of, I would
call them or email them or textthem fairly regularly, and that
has dropped off.
It's there's just too manypeople now.
But I do keep a list, andwhenever I hear news, I keep
track of promotions and thatkind of a thing, which I'd like
(08:09):
to share a few of those with younow.
First off, friend of the show,Jim Sutterby, who appeared early
on in episodes three and sevenand helped me out by making
appearances multiple othertimes.
He is now the new police chiefin Spring Hill, Kansas.
Congratulations, Jim.
It's extremely well deserved.
(08:30):
I had the pleasure of attendinga promotion ceremony at the
Overland Park Police Departmentin Overland Park, Kansas, not
too far from where I live.
And there we saw two guests getpromoted on the same day.
First of all, Captain RichardBrashears became Major Richard
Brashears.
He was in episode 101.
(08:50):
And then friend of the show,Ryan Miller, who has made
appearances as a captain and amajor, is now Lieutenant
Colonel, a deputy chief there atthat second level of command of
the Overland Park PoliceDepartment.
Deputy Chief Miller has mademultiple appearances: episode
23, episode 56, episode 97, andseveral others.
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Congratulations to both of thoseguys.
And also congratulations toCaptain Sean McGee, who is now
Major Sean McGee.
He was in episode 69.
And just recently, at the timeof this recording, I was paged
out to a homicide scene.
And when I arrived, it was MajorMcGee who was the commander in
(09:34):
charge.
Now I'm going to switch gearsjust a little bit.
I want to show you an excerptfrom a very recent interview.
This is from my interview withJason Marsman from Fellowship
for the Fallen.
That's bonus episode 50, uh,just here in May of 2026.
Sometimes you're in the middleof an episode and you're not
(09:55):
sure what that other noise isthat you're hearing.
SPEAKER_03 (09:59):
Here's Jason Marsman.
In comparison to Chicago, we'renow in comparison to New York.
Just a second.
Is your dog snorting?
Yeah, she's crawling.
She's such a dope.
I'm gonna send her out of theroom again.
(10:21):
We're doing a lot of work on thehouse, so some things are
falling by the wayside.
One of them is the door doesn'tclose all the way, so she pushes
it open with her nose and thencomes in.
SPEAKER_01 (10:31):
Alright, go back, go back to that's it's funny.
I'm listening, I'm like, what amI hearing?
So then she just lays there andgrowls at the leaves going by,
you know.
No, that's fine, that's fine,that's fine.
SPEAKER_02 (10:43):
Dogs are often the source of extraneous noises.
I hope it was snoring orgrowling.
Sometimes I wonder, but I wantedto make sure I kept that
particular clip to play in thisepisode.
Let's run through our top tencountries.
Of course, the United States,far and away, with about 90% of
my downloads.
But then after the US, we haveCanada, Australia, the UK,
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Germany, Ireland, South Africa,Mexico, New Zealand, and then
Spain rounds out the top ten.
The top ten cities are St.
Louis, Missouri, Chicago,Illinois, Dallas, Texas, Denver,
Colorado, Charlotte, NorthCarolina, Phoenix, Arizona, Los
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Angeles, California,Indianapolis, Indiana, Columbus,
Ohio, new to the top ten, andMelbourne, Australia, just
barely edging out Houston,Texas.
I want to encourage you to lookat the show notes of the show.
Now, sometimes it's a little bitdifficult.
You might have to go into asub-menu depending on which app
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you're using.
Sometimes it's called the shownotes, sometimes it's called the
episode description.
But either way, these are thewritten notes that accompany
each episode.
When you go to that, you'regoing to find a link that says
that you can text the show orleave a voicemail.
That voicemail feature is new.
It's limited in how much time.
(12:12):
I'm not sure what the quality isalways going to be.
And I can't guarantee that ifyou leave a voicemail, that I
can actually use it in a futureepisode, but there is that
possibility.
So if you have a question forthe show, if you have a request,
if you have a comment that you'dlike to leave, you can write out
(12:32):
that text message, or you caneven leave a voicemail, and I'm
eager to hear what you have tosay.
Now, let's return to thatinterview with Steven Keogh.
So tell me what your career pathhas led to.
You know, you're retired, youare working with publishing
companies and televisionproducers and that kind of
(12:52):
thing.
Tell me what you've been doingthe last couple of years.
SPEAKER_00 (12:55):
Oh, mate.
I mean, honestly, if you if youhad said to me when I retired
that this is what I was going tobe doing, I'd have I'd have said
you were mad.
I'd like none of it is planned.
So when I when I was comingtowards the end of my career, I
knew I wanted to do something alittle bit different.
I didn't want to just go fromone job to another.
I I think a lot of yourlisteners will appreciate this
(13:17):
when I describe in my career,every time I looked up in terms
of the people that weresupervising me, more often than
not, I'd look up and I wouldjust be like, You just don't
know what you're doing.
You don't know what you'retalking about.
You're in charge of me and youhaven't got a clue.
And it just used to drive memad.
It's one of the most biggest, itwas probably the biggest
frustration in my career.
Is every time I looked up, I I Inot every time, but virtually
(13:40):
every time I looked up, I hadvery little respect really for
the people above me because ofthe way they got there, the way
they acted when they were there.
And I just didn't want to workfor anybody again.
That's that was my drive.
So I was like, well, what whatam I going to do when I leave
the police in order to earn?
I don't I'm I'm I've got mypension, so I don't need to get
a big career afterwards.
(14:01):
I just need something as a bitof a top-up, essentially.
So I was like, well, what is itthat I did in my career that I
could take outside that would besellable, essentially?
And every time I was readingabout you go on forums, you go
to Facebook and whatnot, you andthey always talk about these
transferable skills that thecops have got.
(14:22):
And as if like it's it itthey're the type of skills that
virtually nobody outside has ifyou c if you collect them all
together, because if you if youspend time on the police, you
deal with stuff that mostmembers of the public wouldn't
have a clue and they would runaway, not and not not go towards
it type thing.
So I was like, Well, I want todo something where I'm not
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rather than me trying to fit inwith what you're doing, what
about if I come to you and Isay, I'm good at this, would you
like to learn it from me?
So that was that was my ideawhen I come out.
And and for me, my my number onething I enjoyed the most, and I
think I was I was best at wasdecision making, especially
those decisions that you'remaking under pressure, where
you've you're having to make itin a short amount of time,
(15:06):
you've got limited information,you know the consequences are
bad if you get it wrong.
So that that was what I wantedto do.
So that was my goal when I cameout.
I'm gonna go into companies, I'mgonna train them uh in how I
make decisions and try and teachit in a way that they could take
it away and and use itthemselves.
And everything I I read said ifyou want to position yourself as
(15:28):
an expert, write a book.
So that's what I decided to do.
I decided to write a book.
This this is how we investigatemurders, and this is how the
lessons from that can benefityou in business and personal
life and whatever.
But when I started to write it,it was it didn't work.
It was like it was two differentbooks.
It was like this is how weinvestigate murders, and these
are the skills from it.
(15:49):
It wasn't quite working.
So I thought, well, what I'lldo, I'll write a book first
about how we investigatemurders, and then a follow-up of
how that those lessons can workin business, etc.
And so that was a very differentbook to what I was originally
writing.
So mine's gonna be the idea, wasit was if I talk about avatars,
I was aiming it at sort ofjunior managers, senior
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managers, whatever, someonewho's having to make decisions,
and there are consequences forthe decisions they make.
Now I'm writing a book about howwe investigate murders.
It's like, oh, that's verydifferent, isn't it?
I was like, well, so what I did,I went on a couple of Facebook
groups, one in America and onein the UK.
I said, This is me, I'm writinga book about how murder's
investigated.
(16:31):
What would you like to know?
This is just true crime facts.
So I put up a SurveyMonkey.
Um and I do actually, if youever use Survey Monkey, be
careful because if you get loadsof responses, it becomes very
expensive to get them back.
I realized that.
600 responses I got, and I waslike, it was amazing, and it
basically formed the basis ofwhat my book was going to be.
(16:52):
Because it's I if I'm writing itto you and you're telling me
what you want to know, it madeit made it very easy for me to
to structure the book.
Yeah, then that opened uh anavenue that I really wasn't uh
expecting or particularlywanted.
So in order to promote the book,I went to this uh PR company and
they they they weren'tparticularly good, they were
(17:13):
just basically had a list ofemails and just spammed people.
I think we've got released thisbook.
But they they sent this email tothis um daytime TV show in the
UK, it's one of the biggest inthe UK, and I got an invite to
go on there and and talk aboutthe book.
And honestly, Jared, if you ifyou know about sliding door
(17:34):
moments, this was the moment forme where I I can see everything
changed from there.
Because I went I went on thisprogram, it was a bit
nerve-wracking because it's liveand it's like I I know it's
probably not a big number inAmerica, but in the UK, it's a
million people watching it.
So you you got this you got thispressure, and I and I I got the
usual got messages fromex-colleagues taking the Mickey
out of me and all that kind ofstuff.
(17:55):
But in a in amongst all theMickey taking, I got um I got an
email from a publisher's becauseI'd self-published this book,
because I did it myself throughAmazon and whatnot, they said
we'd like to buy the rights forit.
And so I had a meeting with themand they decided to buy the
rights.
Then they said, Would you liketo write any other books?
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You got anything else in yourmind?
And that's when I had the Jackthe Ripper in my mind.
So they then they uh they weagreed a publishing deal for the
Jack the Ripper book.
So that that happened.
Then this this I don't know ifyou you have it in America, and
most of your uh listenersprobably uh wouldn't be aware of
this thing, but it's calledCrime Con.
It's like a conference for truecrime fans, and and they have it
(18:36):
here in the UK, and they invitedme along because they saw me on
this TV program.
And I did a I did two or threeof them for them, and then I
think the second one I was I wastalking as I was talking, I I
was on stage with loads of sortof these heavy hitters from the
true crime world, and I felt Ihad a bit of imposter syndromes.
It's like everybody here knowsthese people, they ain't got a
(18:56):
clue who I am.
So I said, right, so I decidedto talk about my book a bit so
that they could see that I notonly was I was I a carp,
actually, I've done somethingsince.
And it was this woman in thefront row who's giving me these
weird looks.
And I went outside and shewalked up to me and I thought,
oh, she's gonna be a nutter orsomething, isn't she?
And she got to me and she sheintroduced herself, and she
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basically was the top poncho inin a TV uh channel.
Uh AMC.
So the AMC in the UK is a is aspin-off from ANC in in America.
And she said, when you weredescribing your book, it sounded
to me like it could lend itselfto a TV series.
Um do you want would maybe wecould meet up and have a coffee?
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And you know when people saythat and you just think, okay,
yeah, I'll say alright,whatever.
And she she contacted me and wedid.
We went out, we actually wentout for a a drink, uh a couple
of wines.
And yeah, she wanted to make aTV show, so we ended up having a
few um production companiespitch in what their ideas around
(20:01):
it and what they would do.
And yeah, we ended up makingthis TV series.
We've we've we've made uh threeseasons, although it was
squeezed into two, so we've made30 episodes.
It's called Secrets of a MurderDetective, and it's on it's on
Amazon and Apple TV and and andsort of channels here in the UK.
And yeah, and it it's just I I Ican't really get my head around
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it to be honest.
I've got a face for radio, Ihaven't got a face for TV.
Um but it's a real but I reallyenjoy it.
So it's the the premise of theshow is I sit down with a
detective and we talk about acase from their career, and in
in the background that they thethe TV company tell the story of
the murder, whilst I sit downand talk about detectives trying
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to get behind the scenes and thepressures and and sort of a
peer-to-peer.
So it's a conversation that theywouldn't normally have because I
understand I've been in theirshoes.
Yeah, that's been well received.
Uh third season's just finishedairing over here.
Um, and yeah, and I've juststopped just finished filming a
TV programme about Jack theRipper as well.
(21:05):
So that that that's going tocome out in the UK later this
year.
So none of these things I hadplanned.
Um, but in the background, I'veI've now got back into because I
kept getting distracted by theTV and whatnot.
I've now started doing um publicspeaking and training in
companies around decisionmaking, which is what I've
always wanted to do.
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Plan A.
Yeah.
Plan A, yeah.
I've taken a roundaboutroundabout route to get here.
Um, but yeah, let's say the weekbefore last, I just I was I gave
a talk at um Google HQ in inLondon, and that that that went
down really well.
So I'm that's what I'm mostpassionate about.
I don't I do TV, but I don't Idon't get that that sort of
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satisfaction from it.
I really do get satisfactionfrom standing up and doing what
I really what what I'mpassionate about, which is that
sharing the knowledge that Ibuilt up in mode investigation,
and and I what I've done is I'veI've Basically, I sat down and
it's like, well I I would turnup to crime scenes and it would
generally be real chaos.
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And it would be me that wouldcome in, sort of bring order to
that chaos.
It was my job to to take overthat scene and make sure
everything that was needed to bedone was done.
I sat down and I was like, well,well, what was going through my
mind?
What what was my thought processthat allowed me to do that in a
way that was was successful?
And I and I but I sort of, youknow, it was one of those light
bulb moments, it suddenly hitme, and I and I and I've now got
(22:29):
this way that I teach people howto make decisions, which is
really, really simple, butreally, really effective, and it
mirrored what what I did.
Um and I really enjoyeddelivering that.
So yeah, so that's now that'swhat I really am hoping is going
to um gain a bit of momentum.
SPEAKER_02 (22:47):
So, how far into the TV work were you before you
looked yourself up on IMDb?
SPEAKER_00 (22:57):
I it was if I'm honest, it's only recently I
didn't I didn't realize I had anIMDB.
SPEAKER_02 (23:03):
Well, good for you, because a lot of people, the
very first job they have, theywant to go look if they have an
IMDB you know profile yet.
And so that's good for you forfor holding out longer than most
of us would have.
SPEAKER_00 (23:16):
Somebody said to me, if you if you Googled yourself,
I said no, so I'll Google myselfand it comes up as TV
personality.
That's just not true.
SPEAKER_02 (23:27):
That's funny.
We had a uh television crew, adocumentary crew from the UK
here at our uh uh policedepartment.
Uh this is maybe five or sixyears ago, and they filmed
several murder scenes and thatkind of thing, and I was on
scene for some of those.
Uh I actually had a sit-downinterview with them and and and
(23:47):
I was on scene.
I knew I knew I had one timewhere we were we were there for
like six or seven hours, and Iknew I was on camera.
I mean, I knew hours and hoursof footage of me walking around.
Well, that episode came out afew years later, and I sat down,
like you get the kids and thewife to say, okay, this is this
is it, this is it.
And sure enough, one half secondscene, I am you can see I was
(24:10):
wearing an orange color shirt,and you can see me walking
behind a car, and that's it.
That's the whole thing.
That was that everything,everything else was cut, and so
I am basically not there at all.
And I'm like, wow, okay, so noIMDB profile for me.
So yeah.
It's time, there's time, mate.
That's right.
Where can people find yourbooks, your TV shows, and in
(24:33):
your speaking engagements?
Let's get people away to findyou.
SPEAKER_00 (24:36):
But you know what?
I don't know whether there'ssort of um geolocation issues.
I don't know, because it's onApple TV and Amazon, which
obviously is well white, but Idon't know whether it's locked
in into that.
SPEAKER_02 (24:51):
Do you know if the titles are the same from one
region to the next?
Because sometimes titles change.
I think it's an enemy hard tofind the show.
SPEAKER_00 (24:58):
Secrets of a murder detective, yeah.
I think I think it's okay.
SPEAKER_02 (25:01):
Secrets of a murder detective.
SPEAKER_00 (25:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (25:03):
Steve, or probably Steven.
SPEAKER_00 (25:05):
Steve Keogh.
No, you know, I don't know I'vegot I've got this dual
personality.
For my books, I'm Stephen Keogh.
For TV and everything else, I'mSteve Keo.
Now I don't know why I've landedon that.
Steve Keogh, K-E-A-E-O-G-A.
Yeah, I've got a website, SteveKeo.com, so everything
everything's out there.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (25:21):
And uh uh the books are on the website too.
SPEAKER_00 (25:25):
Uh yeah, but they're on Amazon, so you can get them
on there.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (25:29):
Well, that's fantastic.
Steve, God bless you.
I'm happy for your success.
I'm happy people are using youbecause frankly, there are
lesser men who could be outthere making TV shows, and I'm
glad it's you and not there'sthat's one of the nicest things
anyone's ever said.
SPEAKER_00 (25:44):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_04 (25:49):
We spent years in training fighting battles up
hill when care is heavy andgetting heavy still.
(26:20):
Never too hard to find, you knowthe places that I like to hide,
and we'll go there side by sideyou and I our footsteps in
(26:46):
perfect strike.
SPEAKER_02 (26:52):
I want to thank Steve Keo for being on the show.
You'll hear more from him infuture detective compilation
episodes.
And then I also want to thankeverybody for listening to the
show.
I have been able to maintain myproduction of episodes once a
week.
The main episodes are on thefirst, third, and fifth Monday,
and then I do part two episodesor bonus episodes in between on
(27:15):
the second and fourth Mondays.
And I've been able to maintainthat schedule because I work
ahead.
Often I'm a month or two orthree ahead of when I actually
have to publish an episode.
And that schedule was put to thetest because we had some family
things going on that made itvery difficult to do anything
extra.
And so basically, I was able toproduce the interviews and
(27:37):
everything else had to go onhibernation mode.
If it seems that I've been onsocial media less and kept up
with correspondence less, thatis accurate.
All of that stuff had to bedialed back and just the bare
bones, what does it take to keepproducing episodes?
That represented all of theeffort that I was able to put
into the show.
(27:58):
And I'm very happy that I wasable to keep up with the
production schedule.
It's times of testing like thisthat show where there's parts of
the workflow that aresuperfluous that you don't
absolutely have to do.
For instance, the show keptgrowing even though I wasn't
really producing anything onsocial media for quite some
time.
(28:18):
But I am back now and I am veryhappy to be producing the Hey
Chaplin podcast.
I hope that I'm able to do itfor years and years to come.
If you want to help this showreach more cops, chaplains, and
other first responders aroundthe world, please follow the
link in the episode descriptionto support the show.
(28:39):
Remember that the viewsexpressed here are the personal
views of the hosts and ourguests, and do not necessarily
represent the views of any lawenforcement agency or its
components.
If you like this episode, pleaseshare it with a cop or someone
who loves a cop.
Thank you for listening to HeyChaplin.
And as always, let's pray forpeace in our cities.
SPEAKER_04 (29:03):
We spent years in training, fighting battles of
hill when care is heavy andgetting heavy still.
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