July 9, 2025 • 71 mins
The mystery of Dyatlov Pass has haunted us for over six decades. What could drive nine experienced hikers to slice through their tent from the inside and walk barefoot into certain death on a freezing mountain slope?
When the search for the missing hikers finally began in February 1959, no one could have anticipated the bizarre scene awaiting them. A tent abandoned with all survival gear inside. Single-file footprints leading calmly downhill. And eventually, nine bodies with injuries that defied explanation.
We meticulously walk through the recovery timeline, examining each disturbing discovery as searchers first found five victims scattered between a makeshift fire and the path back to camp. Then, the most shocking revelation—four more bodies discovered months later in a ravine, bearing catastrophic internal injuries without external trauma. Missing tongues and eyes. Hyoid bones broken as if strangled. Clothing testing positive for radioactivity. And a mysterious notebook seen by only one witness before vanishing from evidence.
The official Soviet investigation concluded only that deaths resulted from "a compelling unknown natural force," a vague explanation that sparked decades of theories ranging from avalanches to military experiments to the paranormal. We analyze the forensic evidence—or alarming lack thereof—documenting inconsistencies in the official record that continue to fuel speculation.
What really happened on that remote mountain slope? Join us as we delve into one of history's most enduring mysteries, carefully separating known facts from fiction before we explore the wildest theories in our next episode. Subscribe now and share your own thoughts on what force could drive nine experienced winter travelers to abandon their only shelter and walk straight into death's arms.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
I interrupt our beginning music for a very
important announcement.
I'd just like to say happybirthday to my co-host, Kate,
who turns 40 today, July 8th, incase you don't listen to it
today, if it's release.
So everybody who listens tothis please send happy birthday
wishes to my co-host Kate.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Oh, hey there, oh hey there.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Welcome back to Dyatlov.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm catching on real quick.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Dyatlov, part Kate Chokes.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I was going to say welcome back to Kate dying in
the corner.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, this is History , bavoons.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Part two.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Part two of Dyatlov Pass.
I am Kate.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
And I am Bradley and this is.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
We have Audra here.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Audra Stump, who is a ?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
co-worker of mine who loves the story Of Diat Love
Pass.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yes, absolutely.
She's been very informative.
I've liked her interjections sofar on the Part 1, because I
didn't know that shit.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, so If you have not listened to the first
episode, please go back and doit for the love of fucking god
do it?
Go back, because you're goingto be confused if you do not.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Those know the story oh, I was there and I'm confused
the background is superrelevant, right the background
is very relevant you're buildingup the reason why these people
are here.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
So I mean you gotta know a little bit about them
right otherwise it's just likeyou know no nine fucking randos,
just right no 100 playingaround playing around in the
snow.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I mean, I used to do that.
That was great.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
There's one for me, so if you decide not to go back
and listen, that's a fuckingtragedy.
This is the story about ninevery experienced hikers, a tale
of nine Yuri's.
There's two at this point yes,all right, third one bailed um
(02:28):
nine hikers who have um diedmysteriously on the mountain in
the northern urals in russiasiberia or siberia the same
thing, the same so if you havenot gone back to listen to the
first one or watch the first one.
(02:49):
We talked about the backgroundof the hikers and the weather or
the terrain and what theybrought with them.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
We've really set the scene.
We really have we really have.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, we set it up.
So if you did not listen to it,that's on you.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And the timeline.
We also went through thetimeline of what we knew
happened.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
So far, yes, and when we all started drinking?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
That's fair.
That's fair, she's not wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
We were having some white Russians with vodka and
heavy cream and Still Bailey's,bailey's, yep there it is.
Yep, there it is, and I'mhaving a Modelo because I've had
enough liquor from the firstepisode.
Creamy dairy treats, creamydairy treats.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
She literally only had one white Russian.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I had one and a nut.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
What the fuck.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
It's all about balance.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So we're going to start where the search begins.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
After the fact After the fact Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Okay, the group was expected to return to um.
Return to visee, yes, byfebruary 12th right and send a
telegram to the universitysports club saying, hey, we made
it back yes exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
give us our fucking category three exactly.
Yes, yes, I want my piece ofpaper.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
So no message comes, families start to raise the
alarms.
February 12th came and went.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
They didn't start raising an alarm for eight days,
though.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
So telegram Almost not true so.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Okay well.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
The parents.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Learn me something.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
The parents of Rustin Slobodin was the first to
express some concern.
Sure, rustic's father was theprofessor Vladimir Slobodin, who
teaches at a local agriculturaluniversity.
Okay, and he actuallytelephones the UPI sports club.
Okay, phones the upi sportsclub, okay, so he was told that
(05:12):
the director of the club, levgordo, is also on a trip.
Oh, he, on vacay oh dear and hewon't reach be returning for
several days right so more daysdo pass.
So, day after day, relatives ofthe hikers call the university
and they're given the same spiel, which is the the group is late
(05:32):
understandable, yeah thedirector is gone.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Please be patient so up in the mountains.
No phone, no radio, delays areusual.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, they are usual well, especially with inclement
weather.
Yes, you don't know justifiableat this point?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
yeah, exactly so igor diet love actually told yuri
yudin before he he turned back,yeah, that because the trek was
so complicated he was expectedto take the hike a little bit
longer sure I get that, but so,finally, on february 17th, the
university, the universityofficially sends an inquiring
(06:14):
telegram to vizay the villagewhere the diet love group was
supposed to be returning to haveyou seen these hikers exactly
yeah, what's up?
Yes, so the families also makea request to the university for
some search planes.
But no, they're not going to dothat.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
No, no, no, no these dipshits did this on their own,
yeah, so the rip.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
The reply telegram the next day because they get
the very next day says theDyatlov group did not return.
So finally, the universitytakes charge and finally
assembles a formal search partyof the missing hikers.
However, the Dyatlov group'sofficial approved route was
(07:05):
ne'er to be found.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Because they didn't actually get it approved by the
commission's records.
It was lost in the Soviet papershuffle.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Cold War Again.
There's some shit going on,yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I mean Cold War, KGBgb and space race, all that
shit yeah so so we have no ideaidea of what the exact path
would have been right.
So, with no definitive map oftheir course, the, the rescuers,
are essentially marching intothis frozen tundra with
(07:46):
basically a blindfold on, notknowing which way the group
actually went.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
They went to Lambeau Field.
What the frozen tundra Anyways.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I'm.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Nebraska, and I don't know what that means.
That's a common nickname forLambeau Field.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
The frozen tundra.
Why?
Because it's cold up here.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Does North Dakota or Montana or Seattle or Maine or
Vermont or New Hampshire have ateam?
I said the ice bowl.
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (08:23):
So we're not talking about other states, we're
talking about the green baypackers I know, but are there
other places in the north thathave?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
it doesn't matter, those don't have teams that's
what I was asking if they hadteams no, yeah, north dakota
doesn't know montana, seattle.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Seattle doesn't have a does but it's not, but it's
rainy it's it's like this it'snot the rainy tundra, it's yeah
frozen correct what about alaska?
They don't have a team thatsucks for them I mean it's dark
for a while, a while up there,and then it's light for yeah a
(09:02):
while I feel like we're gettingoff point we are you just
started naming states?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well, you started talking about a frozen tundra, I
know nothing of.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
We blew your mind with football.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
There's a baseball game on tonight, the Brewers.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
There's a Brewers game on every night, from my
understanding.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Almost.
Yes, you're right, not lastnight.
Okay, okay're right.
Not last night.
Okay, okay, okay, oh dear.
Finally, two men get into amilitary helicopter and fly over
the Ural Mountains, but theydon't get very far because of
poor visibility.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Was it snowing?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Reoccurring theme.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
There was a storm.
They had to turn back With thewhat yeah?
February.
Was it snowing?
Reoccurring theme yes, therewas a storm.
They had to turn back With thewhat yeah?
February 21st Volunteersstudents of the UPT, upi there
it is, upi.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Police and military researchers or searchers head
into the mountains.
Okay, they had planes, they haddogs, they had local guides
from the Mansee tribe.
Yes, they all joined the effort.
Okay, february 26th, the tentis found.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Cut from the inside.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah Fellow.
Student of UPI, boris Slovtov,slovstav, slovstav.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I feel like we're at an impasse here.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
His group discovered the trail of the skis that they
assumed to be of the diet lovegroup well assumed, yeah the
next day, on the february 27th,they discovered the tent on the
slope of the diet love pass yeswell, it was named that after.
But yeah, yes, ironically,ironically, slob tov jesus
(11:09):
christ.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Hey, have you seen slob tov?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
he was among those who actually helped construct
the tent three years prior bytaking the tent three years
prior, by taking two four mantents and sewing them together.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
He's the one who stitched it up.
So where did the ninth personsleep?
Seriously, bradley Again, footto face situation.
Wash them, yep.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
He recognized this tent immediately.
Now, take out your fuckingphones.
Take out your fucking phones.
Oh, that was a direction for us.
Yes, okay, I don't need.
Take out your fucking phones,take out your fucking phones.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Oh, that was a direction for us.
Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I don't need to take out my phone because I'm
recording you on my fuckingphone, Bradley.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I need you to go to our drive.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I have it up right now.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I need you to look at the tent.
It's called the Dyatlov Groupsomething or other.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Oh, you have a different thing.
I'm supposed to look at DyatlovGroup tent.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yes, Take a look at that picture.
So that's the tent that theyextracted.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
And they put up back at the police station.
Sure Was it?
Yeah, absolutely.
If you're going to eat, I'mgoing to eat.
No, I'm not eating you it.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
If you're going to eat, I'm going to eat.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
No, I'm not eating.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
You are, though.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I'm not.
I'm taking a drink.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
But that doesn't matter.
So this is the two four persontent sold into an eight person
tent with don't have room forninth but hey, everybody's
friends here so okay, continue.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I'll wait for my question.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
This tent was found 300 meters from the top of the
mountain, on a yeah.
Depending on what resource youlook at.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
A 22 to 30 degree slope Right.
Okay, resource you look at,yeah, a 22 to 30 degree slope,
right, okay dietlovepasscom.
Oh, they have a website forthat yes, that is um in chart,
the diet love group foundation.
Right, he's in charge of dietlovepasscom.
They say it was a 30 degreeslope.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Okay, so why is there a discrepancy there?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I would just venture a guess it depends on snow drift
, yeah settling amount of snow.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, yeah okay, fair enough okay.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
So the official report says this quote campsite
is located on the northeastslope of mountain 1079 at the
source of river ospia ospia, theriver ospia, okay.
Campsite is located 300 metersfrom the top of the mountain
1079, on a slope of 30 degrees.
(14:04):
Campsite consists of a pad offlattened snow on the bottom of
stacked eight pairs of skis.
Tent is stretched on poles andfixed with ropes.
(14:31):
Nine backpacks were discoveredwith various personal items
jackets, raincoats, nine pairsof shoes.
Okay, there were also foundmen's pants and three pairs of
boots, warm fur coats, socks,hat, ski caps, utensils, buckets
, stove axe, saw blankets,notebooks, food, biscuits in two
(14:53):
bags, condensed milk, sugarconcentrates, itinerary and many
other small items and documents, cameras and accessory to
cameras.
The nature and form of all cutssuggest that they were formed
by contact with a canvas insideof the tent with the blade of
(15:17):
some weapon, presumably a knife.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
End quote can you say utensils again?
Speaker 3 (15:24):
utensils there it is.
I'm no like forensicinvestigator here, but right the
picture if you can insert it toreference what I'm about to say
.
Yes, we can.
Um, the tent is caved in upon,correct?
So how does one tell at thepoint that everything is
(15:50):
snow-packed right?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
right that cuts are made from the inside or the
outside so the one that Ilistened to today was it was
some random seamstress right Wasin there for some other work
and happened to see this set upwithin the police department I
guess it was and said oh, thoseare from the inside.
(16:13):
So she's not an expert, but sheknows her shit.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
So she knows her shit , kind of thing.
Okay, yes, it just is like, oh,okay.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
So the size of the tent were cut from the inside.
It looks like the hikers chosethis weird exit to leave the
tent, completely ignoring theentrance, and it looks like they
fled suddenly and irrationallyinto the night.
Some of the cuts on the tentdid not make it all the way
(16:46):
through.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Okay, so this tent did not have zippers.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
What did it have?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Zippers were invented at this time, but the tent was
sewn together 1893.
And then the entrance wassecured with rope, ties and
loops and they closed manuallyby tying the canvas flaps
together.
Oh, okay.
So it was functional, but not aquick escape.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Right, I'm sure.
Yes, okay, okay, makes sense.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
So searchers discovered that the back of the
tent was half buried in snow onthe side of the mountain.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
So the north part was covered with 15 to 20
centimeters of snow.
It was concluded from generalappearance and density that it
was not a result of an avalanche, but blown by the wind.
Sure, out of an avalanche, butblown by the wind.
(17:49):
Sure.
Near the tent, a pair of skiswere sticking out from the snow
okay, which couldn't haveremained upright had there been
an avalanche.
And at the entrance of the tentof the snow excuse me, in the
snow was an ice axe Ice axe,mm-hmm.
Okay.
Next to the ice axe wasDyatlov's jacket.
(18:11):
In the pockets was a penknifeon a carabiner and a pocketbook
with Zima Zina or ZanetaKolmogorova's photo inside
Zanita, zanita's Kolmogorova'sphoto inside this pocketbook
Okay.
(18:31):
Inside of Igor's pocketbook,right, suggesting that they were
dating.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah, that's right.
That's what you said before.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Okay, Yep yep, the objects did not shed any light
on what had happened, but it wasstrange that Dyatlov took off
his jacket outside the tent.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Well, yeah, because it's like, why would you do that
in this cold?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Exactly Well.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
On the side of the tent.
We'll get there.
On the side of the tent, on topof 10 centimeters of snow, tent
centimeters of snow, laidDyatlov's flashlight.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
On top of the tent and snow On top of the snow.
That's so weird.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Boris, slob, slob, slob, slob.
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Slob, are we apologize for our pronunciation
of everything?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
yes, he picked it up.
He was a reason.
He was one of the searchers.
He picked it up and turned iton.
The flashlight was in workingcondition okay, interesting from
boris's witness testimony.
He said, quote it was strangethat while there was a layer of
snow, let's say, five to 10centimeters thick under the
(19:53):
flashlight, there was no snow ontop of it and it was snowed
slightly on either side.
End quote.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
So Wind, wind Right yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Drifting All that stuff either side end quote.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
So wind, wind, right yeah drifting, it's gonna sweep
off the top and the objectbecomes uncovered.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
So that's what I would assume as well.
Unfortunately, there were alsoa lot of problems when they
documented the tent gofigure-figure.
Two photos were made that didnot fit well together.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Have you seen the photo now?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
The tent one.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yes, yes, the tent photo.
Yeah, you can see that thereare two photos that were kind of
stitched together kind ofhorribly.
Yep.
The side of the tent facinguphill was not photographed.
Oh, the tent facing uphill wasnot photographed.
Oh, we know that there was atleast one hole in the tent and
diet loves jacket was actuallytucked into this hole, oh, okay
(20:51):
yes, at the far right end of thetent is left out of the photos.
My cats are hungry.
They're pawing at the door.
I thought I was losing my mindthe cats are like looking like.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Does anybody else hear what I'm hearing someone
make eye contact with me.
I'm confused.
What is?
What is this?
My cats are hungry.
Is it in my head?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
part of the torn material on the right side of is
covering a hole that has neverbeen measured.
Interesting, the sizes of theholes are not precise but only
approximate.
Okay, and when the seamstresswho had come in to she came in
(21:44):
to like size up an officer'swardrobe or something, she was
the one that noticed these knifemarks on the tent are coming
from the inside, the inside out.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Why did she decide that these cuts were important
and others that were on the tentwere not worth mentioning?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
see, here's the problem with everything.
I'm a skeptical bitch rightokay, I automatically think
everyone is lying until I knowdifferently right so my mind is
going is this a witnesstestimony, Right?
Who is this woman?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
She's not an expert.
She's a seamstress.
But would we call her an expert?
We don't know?
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Well, I mean, but who documented this?
Like how many people wereinvolved in this conversation?
Because as we talk about theconspiracy theories and the
possibilities here, the popularoption is to scream cover-up,
right.
So in the grand scheme, who'sthis woman?
(22:52):
How does this lend to the storyand how do we know that it's
not all bullshit?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
well, that's the thing it's.
It could be a hundred percentbullshit.
It could be, I mean seriouslythat's why this is popular.
Well, and that's the thing,it's just, it's the whole pure
speculation of what the fuckhappened.
Yeah.
Nobody will fully ever know.
There they can do theirforensic evidence and so on and
(23:19):
whatever.
And like they mentionedsomething in that one which we
haven't gotten to yet, sowhatever, but we'll get there,
okay, but it's like no one willever fully know.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, because they weren't there yeah, I'm just a
skeptical bitch well, I thinkeverybody's which is why you're
on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
So another problem with these photos there's no
ruler so you have no idea thescale no, there was a chair in
the back of the photo which theyused as a measurement, really
to measure the holes in the tentthat's weird really.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yes, that seems really odd.
Yeah, or just not very wellplanned out.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, I mean seriously okay so, outside of
the tent, eight or nine pairs offootprints.
All were leading downhilltowards the woods.
Okay, Okay.
Some were barefoot, some werein socks, some had a single boot
(24:33):
on, and you can tell all ofthis by the pictures that they
took, sure.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
So that kind of just puts the question out there.
Right, this is where I spiral,guys.
If the wind was strong enoughto blow anybody's guesstimate of
covering of snow around theflashlight?
That's on top of the pile, soto speak yeah how did the wind
not sweep over and destroy thesefootprints right?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
well, right, yeah, that makes no sense, because
just drifting alone would havecovered those up.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah, yeah so so if you know the other one comes out
avalanche.
Um, you know how?
How do we preserve, to say,nine sets of footprints, some in
boots, some barefoot, somestocking?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
yeah, no, that that's really weird to really think
about.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
So so as they're looking upon these like
footprints down the hill yeah umthey notice that it's all in
single file okay, so they'relike the sand people from Star
Wars.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Like little ducks in a row.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Or the sand people.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Some would deviate outside of the single file and
then come back Cut them off Acouple times they would move out
of the single file and comeback, but all in all it looked
like eight to nine sets offootprints heading down the hill
in a very organized fashion.
(26:08):
Yeah, fashion, not panickedRight, not fast, but just
they're marching down the hill.
Sure, it was uneventful.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Uneventful.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yes, okay, okay, february 27th through March 2nd
Okay, the first five bodies arefound.
Oh shit, about 1.5 kilometersor about one mile downhill from
the tent, the investigatorsfollowed the footprints as best
(26:40):
they could.
They do disappear for a littlebit and then they come back
towards the, the bottom of thehill mountain.
Um, they, the investigators,found the remains of a fire
along under a cedar tree.
Yes, okay, two bodies werethere right yuri gregory
(27:04):
krivonishenko and yuridoroshenko had to be both yuri's
gregory krivonishenko and yuridoroshenko yeah they were bare,
both barefoot, with minimalclothing.
Now, many of the much of theresearch that I did said they
(27:26):
were in their underwear, whichwas not the case no, no based on
the diet love pass website bythe diet love pass foundation
right say that they were not injust underwear, but they were
barefoot.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Which is basically like being in just underwear out
there right, they were inminimal clothing.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
No, I mean for sure, because like fuck could you
imagine?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
No, do you think it was because of Igor.
I can't imagine any of this.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Do you think it was because Igor was washing her
feet?
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I mean that's part of the theory.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
They failed the test of the theory.
The test okay, so gregorykrivonishenko.
He was found facing up okayokay, krivonishenko's right leg
has no footwear.
On his left foot there was abrown sock torn okay another
(28:24):
sock like this was discoveredhalf burnt next to the fire
interesting on the backs of hishands the skin is torn.
Between the fingers there isblood.
The index finger is also torn.
The skin of his left shin istorn and covered in blood.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
There are no more visible injuries on his body.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
All right.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
That seems weird.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Upon later investigation, it was noted that
his own flesh was between histeeth, because he was probably
trying to bite himself to see ifhe could feel.
Potentially to see if he hadany feeling in his hands Right
because they were going throughhypothermia.
Basically, yes.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
He essentially bit his own hand in desperation to
figure out if he could feelanything Exactly.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I would imagine you're trying to just figure out
am I fucking alive anymore?
Speaker 1 (29:25):
or have I completely lost it, because at that point
you're probably fucking you'reso disoriented, you're so cold.
Yeah, you're yeah it's like amI alive?
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I don't know exactly, yeah, for sure could be a good
idea yeah, at that point.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
And the problem is, when you're so deep into
hypothermia like that, you'renot gonna, you not going to feel
that for a long fucking time.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
But also if I'm a hiker that's stuck and I'm
fucking freezing, I'm going tobe trying to rub any part of my
body because especially myfucking legs Right, because
those got to work Like I got toget out of here.
A hundred percent yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
So so his clothes were found on ludmilla dubonina
okay suggesting that she tookhis clothes to wear for herself.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Okay, okay, um.
Kravina Shenko's cause of deathwas hypothermia.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
It makes sense, yuri Doroshenko.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
He was facing down, but he had liver mortis on his
back.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (30:50):
His blood was pooling on his back.
Though he was, he was facingdown.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
All the blood should have pooled down then right,
right, but it was up on his back, it was on his back okay which
means he would have died on hisback, so liver on his front.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
We learned today liver mortis is different than
rigor mortis, obviously yesliver mortis is lividity, for
those who don't know it.
Um, so the blood settling whenyou're deceased, rigor mortis,
is the muscle tightening.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Oh, okay, gotcha so he had liver mortis on his back,
which suggests that he died onhis back, but he was found
facing down interesting okay, sothis suggested that someone
moved him after death right okay, possibly survivors, and
(31:41):
possibly after they took clothesoff of them, right to wear
themselves.
Okay, doroshenko had woolensocks on his feet, and over
these socks were another lightersock okay his ear, lips and
nose are covered in blood ohdear, and on his left hand, the
middle finger is bloodyinteresting okay, his cause of
(32:05):
death was hyperthermia.
Sure, okay, the branches on thecedar tree which they were found
under, yeah, the two.
They were broken up to theheight of five meters or 16 feet
, suggesting that the hikers hadclimbed the tree to potentially
(32:25):
look for something.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
These cuttings were at the base of the tree and not
used for burning.
They were too young of branchesso they were too wet
essentially.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the clearingof the branches in the tree were
facing towards the tent, sowe're looking at a mile downhill
(32:49):
.
Right, we're a mile downhill.
There's a cedar tree and theclearing in the cedar tree is in
the direction of the tent.
So, suggesting someone, climbthe tent, maybe cut down a
clearing to look, or, excuse me,climb the tree, cut down
branches in the tree to look forwhere the tent might be.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Oh, so they're just trying to find their way,
potentially An orientation kindof thing, yes, which?
Speaker 3 (33:15):
way am I even going.
Yes, sure.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Okay.
Forensic tests conducted on thebark of the tree had traces of
skin embedded in it, suggestingthat the pair had frantically
attempted to climb the treewhile snapping off branches,
until their hands basicallyturned to kind of a little bit.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah okay, yeah interesting.
I could not imagine being inthis fucking scenario.
No, this is wild no.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Anyways, sorry, continue.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
The fire in the branches around the excuse me,
the fire in the branches aroundthe fire had been cut.
Sorry, the branches around thefucking fire, there we go had
been cut with a knife.
We got there, okay, no knives.
Were on any of the persons notfound okay interesting the
(34:13):
volume of work done suggestedthat there were more people
around the fire helping buildthe fire than the two that were
found near the fire so it makessense right kravon ishenko and
dora shanko if someone tooktheir clothes right.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yeah, in this situation you're an asshole.
If you steal your good buddy'sclothes, yeah, like for yourself
right so that's like a theydied.
Now it's okay.
Now we can split up the theclothes situation, right.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Exactly, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
So there's.
The investigators also foundvarious fragments of clothing
here.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
A ripped sweater cuff next to the fire.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
The trees near the fire had been cut with knives,
but there were no knives.
Doroshenko.
Yuri doroshenko was found withgray foaming liquid on his cheek
gray foaming liquid potentiallyan expelling of air okay, I
guess sure krivon ishenko landedin or near the fire and
(35:28):
potentially burnt his socks andparts of his body.
So essentially they're thinkingthey climbed the tree.
They fell one of them expelledso much air that it like applied
a gray foaming liquid here.
The other one fell into thefire and barked some of his
clothes.
Okay, okay interesting afterfalling to the ground, not being
(35:53):
able to move due to exhaustionhypothermia hypothermia.
They later died, not too farfrom the fire okay okay, the
fire had only been lit forapproximately an hour and a half
, which means that they foundapproximately eight centimeters
worth of branches of cedar thathad been burned through.
(36:16):
So how much of the branch wasburned through, which was how
long they could tell that thefire was lit?
Oh, okay.
So about eight centimeters wasapproximately an hour and a half
of lit fire, that's fuckingwild that.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
It's weird that they can tell that.
I mean that's really justimpressive.
Yeah, I mean I get it, forensicstuff, all that, whatever.
But jesus christ, how would youknow that?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
but okay, I feel like there's a lot of variables that
could throw that off, though,right 100 yes wind, wind.
Someone putting it out earlyhow old were the branches really
?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
how old were they were?
Speaker 3 (36:54):
they more wet?
Were they dry?
Because I mean, that's allvariable yeah, who knows?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
yeah, yeah, so how krivonishenko and Doroshenko
died, which was side by side,indicated that whoever was last
in contact with the bodies feltcompassion, pity and respect
towards the victims andpotentially moved them because
of the liver mortis.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah, okay, yeah, because yeah, yep, yep, yep Okay
.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
That same day, igor Dyatlov, the leader, was found.
Oh dear, okay, he wasapproximately 300 meters, or 328
yards, uphill from the cedartree.
Okay, his body was positionedin a way that it looked like he
was actually headed back towardscamp.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Oh, really, mm-hmm Okay.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
He was dressed decent .
He was in an unbuttoned fursleeveless vest with two
different socks on no shoes.
It's hard to explain, kind ofthe uneven distribution.
It could be that he had twosocks on one foot and he moved
one sock to the other foot Sure,just to protect it to the other
foot, sure, just to protect it.
(38:09):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
No.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
He had minor abrasions on his internal wrist,
okay, both knees and ankles.
He had dried blood on his lips,minor abrasions throughout his
face.
He had bruises on his knucklescommon in hand-to-hand fights.
Sure there were no internalinjuries.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
His cause of death was hypothermia so he's what the
third or fourth person of he'sthe cause of death hypothermia
third, he's the third found.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
All right, yes, next we have zanata kolmogorova.
What, what's her name?
Kolmogorova?
Okay, nailed it nailed it shewas found next okay um, she was
beyond diet love.
Another 330 meters headingtowards the tent how many feet
(39:07):
is that?
So 630 meters from the tent.
I did not do a um conversion onthat one, that's fine 630
meters from the from the cedartree I mean, that's pretty far
she was just fairly well inlayers.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
She had three pairs of socks, no shoes that's so
weird, like why would you haveso many socks but no shoes?
That's so weird, Like why wouldyou have so many socks but no
shoes?
That's just strange Well theyfound what?
Speaker 3 (39:33):
nine pairs of shoes inside the tent.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Right, so I mean fuck if I don't have shoes on.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
I'm putting all the socks on, give me more socks.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
More socks please.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
So she had numerous contusions on her face and hands
.
Okay, she had a long bruise onthe side of her torso, a very
long bruise which looks like apotential baton hit.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Oh, and the important thing here is that this is
pre-mortem right, Right Afterdeath.
You don't bruise.
So correct Because yeah,there's no blood flow Right.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
So, and where she is at, on the pass, on the way to
the tent, there is nothinggrowing Interesting.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
There's nothing there , ok.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Her cause of death is hypothermia due to a violent
accident violent accident, nodoubt okay next they find rustam
slobodin on march 5th, so acouple days later.
All right, he was at a distanceof 480 meters from the cedar,
(40:49):
so he was actually between igordyatlov and zenaida kolomogorova
she's the one last name that Ijust can't quite get, okay,
kolomogorova, yes.
So he was covered with 50centimeters of snow, face down,
headed towards the tent.
He was dressed better than theothers.
(41:10):
He had one felt boot.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
One felt boot.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
He had dried blood on his nose, a lot of abrasions on
the side of his face.
Yeah, bruised knuckles, like hewas in a fight.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Bruises on his left tibia, hemorrhages on his
temporalis muscles of the faceup here okay fracture of the
frontal bone, potentially from ablunt object, but not lethal
okay okay.
His injury pattern is a reverseof what we would actually see
(41:50):
an injury suffered by a freezingman in the last minutes of his
life right, yeah, 100 so itlooks as if rustin fell
repeatedly on his face as he waswalking down the mountain,
except for he was walking up themountain I mean, I guess, the
cats are going crazy in thatroom I hear them yeah it looks
(42:11):
as if um so.
So he had bruises and scratcheswhich were all blamed on, like
last minute agony.
Essentially, yeah, although itwas still somewhat unclear how
it managed to harm him.
When a person falls, even in anirrational state, my cats are
(42:33):
going crazy at the door, soinitially I thought it was like
popcorn popping and I'm likethere's gonna be fucking popcorn
.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Oh, it's escalating, it's really popping.
Now, okay, that's not popcorn,pop it like it's hot Okay.
All right.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
So we don't know how he did damage to his exterior
hands and legs.
Right.
When a person falls down inlike an irrational state, it's
usually the palms that suffer.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Typically, yeah, You're trying to like stop
yourself Because you're stoppingyourself.
Yeah, Exactly.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
So somehow every time he potentially fell he hit his
face.
That's so weird.
So if he hit his head he couldhave lost coordination.
On Slobodin, the liver mortisspots were on top on the top
surface of his body, which meanshe potentially was flipped over
(43:25):
.
Right he potentially wasflipped over right with corp,
corp, corp, kovina,krivonishenko, with
krivonishenko and doroshenko.
The medical examinerpotentially mistook frostbite
erythema, which is redness forliver mortis.
Oh, when frostbitten bodies arethawing, the body can turn red
(43:49):
making it for mistaking it forliver mortis.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
This could possibly have happened to Rustem?
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Okay, okay.
Two months went on without thelast four hikers being found.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Oh dear.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
The weather was horrendous Yep and snowfall was
making the search impossible andat this point we are going to
take a small break.
We don't have much more to go,but I need to pee again.
That's fine, and we're back.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
It's my new thing, tom.
I'm going to start everythingnow, every meeting, everything I
do, fuck yeah, fuck yeah.
Bitches, okay, ready to fucktoday in the mouth?
Yes, I'm sorry that came outreally aggressive, no that's my
new sentiment for every fuckingday.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I'm going to fuck this day in the mouth.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Right, fuck this day in the mouth.
Super professional all the time.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Always, always, Frankie.
Okay, we got two pages left.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Come on, Frankie Fakes, let's do this.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Oliver's the one I'm nervous.
He likes to rub on shit andmake noise.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
And he's doing it now .
Speaker 1 (45:09):
God damn it I know, I'm kind of confused why he's
out.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
I'm like revisiting this whole scene of Bradley
kissing thing.
Oh, it wasn't anything.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Oh, my word.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
It wasn't like a romantic kiss, no, it was, was
just.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
I want to see that, so we just.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
That's all it was like thanks for making tacos
yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Thanks for making tacos smooch.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
I had to edit a lot of shit out and we're back, are
we?
Speaker 1 (45:53):
part of the thing is like obviously I'm editing this
out.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
So I'll just say it.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
We're dating.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
The podcast doesn't know that that's why Kate visits
your house.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Yeah, and I visit hers.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah, I visit his family.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
And we're co-workers?
Yeah, and so are Sam and I.
Yeah, exactly 100%.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Yeah, who would think otherwise?
Anyways, let's do this.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Two pages, let's go when you guys said you weren't
gonna get here to four, I waslike this is gonna be a long
night to be fair, I did try toleave like right after work, but
same happened on a Friday.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Everything is blowing up right about that time.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
So it's like hard stop, gotta go.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I was ready she was.
It was me Like I wasn't wearinga shirt.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
You know Shirt at a time like this.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
I'm like I gotta wear a shirt.
Are you sure I have to put ashirt on?
I did.
I don't really like leave myhouse.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Like that's the joy of working at home, that's quite
alright, I totally get it,totally get it.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
It's not like I was walking around with my tits out,
like I did have a.
A bra and other flannel.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Do you want to know a funny fact?
Speaker 3 (47:25):
You walk around with your tits out.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
No, my, my initials is Bra oh.
Bra.
My name is Bradley Rogers Akers.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
So I have three last names.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
Bra.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Yeah, Bra.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
I have three first names.
Three first names Kate.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Elizabeth and Stuart, that's not your first name.
I have three first names that'snot your first name, though I
mean, do it for being technicalit is Katie, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (47:59):
yes, but I know you don't like that.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Don't fuck shit up just to be destructive, okay
let's finish this okay, we'reback and guess who's back back
again shady's back tell myfriend, yeah okay, we're on to
(48:26):
may 4th yes, be with you yes,once the snow started melting
for so that's two months later.
Wait, yes, holy shit, this twomonths star wars right this is
pre-star wars but star warstranscends everything.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
That's fair.
We just didn't know the storyuntil the 77.
That's fair, it was alreadythere.
It know the story until the 77.
That's fair, it was alreadythere it was cooking.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Let's hone this in folks.
Once the snow started settling.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
May 4th.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Just kidding.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Once it started melting.
I was going to say settling.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
A Manse tribe native and his dog were walking around
and found some pants with theright leg cut off pants at a
time like this and he foundanother.
I have to put pants on he foundthe left half of a woman's
sweater again all cut up where'sthe right half?
(49:25):
The right half was cut off, aswell as the sleeve of the left
half.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
So it was a vest.
So this area in this search wassearched with probes.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
People would poke down a bunch of probes to see if
it hit something solid andduring the search yeah, imagine
that job no, no, fuck that.
That would be terrible and theydid search this area with the
probes, but the snow was toodeep to actually reach where the
bodies were found okay but aden was found, a den about 70 to
(50:08):
75 meters from the cedar treedownhill.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
The LaBaz, not quite the LaBaz.
The den was made by thesurviving four members of the
group in a ravine that washidden from cold winds.
Vein that was hidden from coldwinds.
Cedar branches were broughthere and laid out to minimize
contact with the snow.
So they built this den, theybrought in these branches and
(50:36):
they would sit on the branchesRight, okay.
So on one hand, it shows thatthey are sane enough to do all
these survival tactics.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
They still have the survival instinct Right.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Yes, On the other hand, it's unclear why it worked
, because where did the knife go?
There was no knife.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
There's no knife Right yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
No knife found.
No knife and some of theclothes that were taken from the
bodies left underneath thiscedar tree were placed on the
cedar branches and they weren'tbeing used okay that is weird.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
So devil's advocate here yeah, right, devil's
avocado devil's lettuce.
Um.
So if these branches werehypothetically gotten from
around the fire?
Right, you know we've climbedthe tree, we've gotten the
branches.
We're trying to look out umthis could explain some of like
(51:39):
the shin injuries, right you'rebreaking it over your knee
because oh, there's no evidence,like no one has a knife, that's
known.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
But I would assume that they would know the
difference between somethingbeing broken.
Your cord is making noises Ifyou want to put it across the
microphone there, or that You'regood.
Yeah, you're good.
I think they would know thedifference between a branch
(52:07):
being broke versus being cut.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
I mean you're not wrong there, because they could
definitely tell that I know whatyou're saying.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's just weird, because youwould definitely know if it was
broke or cut.
Yeah, I think so.
I mean there's significant wasbroke or cut.
Yeah, I think so.
I mean there's significantdifference between the two.
Yeah.
So I don't know, it's juststrange.
(52:34):
Yes, go on.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
So, the bot, the leftover, the leftover, excuse
me, the four remaining bodies.
And these are the people thatwere by the the ravine the
ravine they were not found inthe den that they built no, they
were.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
They were found in a ravine because of, potentially,
what the other one I listened towas there was moving water
underneath it.
What's the word I'm looking for?
Fuck?
Speaker 2 (53:08):
disintegrated human flesh yeah, let's go with that
yeah that's exactly what I wasthinking, so they were buried a
few feet away in a ravine underfour meters or 13 feet of snow
but it also was snowing, and andblowing.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
And blowing.
So I mean, there's potentialfor that to be a part of that 13
feet.
So it's not like significant,like I shouldn't say not
significant.
It's not like okay, well, snowall fell on them.
It could have been blowingaround, whatever.
There's a lot of differentvariations of what could have
(53:47):
happened.
For them to be under that muchsnow is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
So if you both want to take a look at the document
that I created, the one with thetent and everything.
Yes, so it has a picture of thetent where all of the hikers
were found, yeah, and kind oflike the overall visual.
(54:12):
Of course it's not accurate inany way, shape or form.
Just kind of a, just a visualrepresentation overall visual
yeah, just so that you kind ofknow where everybody was found
and where right.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
So who was?
Who was diet love dating again.
What was her name?
Speaker 2 (54:29):
yeah, zanada, the one closest to the tent, who had
died uphill okay, so theyweren't far apart from each
other, but they were someone whowas between them yeah, yeah,
rustin.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
Rustin was, slobodin was between them right, okay, I
was just trying to figure outhow close they were.
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Okay so.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
Ludmila Dubonina.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yeah, there she is, yes.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
She was at the bottom of the ravine.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
She was one of the four, yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yes, she was found fairly dressed.
She was wearing the clothes ofsome of the others which
speculation is other.
They found others dead theydied, they took their clothes to
help their survival correct.
The clothing that she wore wasgregory krivonishenko right and
(55:24):
it was found after the fact thathis clothing, at least his, his
top, yeah was radioactive right, which is wild, that they would
even test for that I meanhonestly so ludamilla,
apparently in the last attemptto kind of preserve her feet,
also took off her sweater andcut it in two pieces okay and
(55:47):
put it around her feet.
She was already wearing twopairs of socks and a third one
on one foot, but not the other.
She couldn't find the pair, orwhatever.
I mean if she was in a rush,yeah, so one half of the sweater
was on one foot, the other halfshe left on the slope.
She actually didn't get it onher foot, okay, somehow it was
(56:11):
unintentionally left behind,sure?
Um, she had severe internalinjuries severe yes, ribs two,
three, four and five were brokenon the right side and two were
fractured lines which arevisible.
(56:32):
Yeah, ribs two, three, four,five, six, seven are broken on
the left side, which isbasically all of them.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Yes, I was saying is there any left With an
additional two fracture lines?
That's crazy Just your firstone, which is kind of hard to
get at, but yeah, you're notwrong there.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
Holy balls there was a massive hemorrhage in her um
heart's right atrium,potentially due to one of the
broken ribs okay she also had.
Speaker 3 (57:03):
I'm so ready for you to say this Fuck yeah, say it,
do it.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
She had a missing tongue.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
And eyes.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
And eyes and part of her lip and Her hyoid was broken
.
What's that?
Your hyoid is way up in yourthroat.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:26):
And is an injury that typically only occurs in cases
of strangulation.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
I have not heard that in any of my research.
Speaker 3 (57:36):
That is one of the most fucked up injuries in this
whole spiel and I haven't heardthat in any, not even on the
Diet Love Pass website.
Speaker 2 (57:47):
So questionable there , questionable so many things.
Speaker 3 (57:51):
It's crazy but, yeah, her hyoid was broken, which
isn't an easy thing to do, right?
Speaker 2 (57:59):
no, I get it is a small bone, yeah, yeah, but, and
it's a fragile bone, but you dohave to really get up there and
apply pressure.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
No, for sure, because otherwise Consistent pressure.
How would you do that, right?
No, it has to be consistentexcessive pressure, yeah no, for
sure.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
No, I get that so doobanina was found lying on a
natural ledge with continuouswater flowing over her.
Okay, her mouth was open yesand while some have claimed her
tongue had been torn out oreaten, the medical report is
more restrained in saying, quotethe tongue is missing yeah I
(58:43):
mean, they also didn't fuckingknow.
So yeah, I don't know, seemsweird, but yeah, okay the
forensic examiner not only notedor, excuse me, noted not only
the missing tongue, but also theabsence of the hypoglossal
muscle, which I believe is likeone of these, like side tongue
(59:05):
muscles okay and the floormuscles of the mouth, so she was
missing all of that okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (59:13):
Did they mention anything other than what they
weren't missing, like in termsof this seems normal no, okay,
no I'm just curious, becauseit's like I get what they're
stating there, obviously, but Idon't know, I'm never so what's
weird is that there is a highlack of detail in the autopsy
(59:38):
compared to other autopsies okay.
Speaker 2 (59:41):
Okay, there is no clear explanation for the
vagueness which only fuels inour speculation, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (59:51):
Her stomach contained 100 grams of dark brown mucosal
substance.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Which is usually said as coagulated blood.
Yep and this interpretedInteresting as a sign of her
heart was still beating when thetongue was removed.
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Oh, so she was still alive.
Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
This is speculation.
Obviously it is not proven, butspeculation no but obviously
speculation.
Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
They think she was alive when her okay yes, so much
like our conversation about howyou can tell that a branch is
broken or cut.
Yeah, you can probably tell ifa tongue is cut or ripped out.
Yeah, exactly, for sure forsure, yeah, just for fun so just
(01:00:42):
for funsies.
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Her official cause of death was listed as hemorrhage
to the right atrium of the heart.
Okay, by multiple fracturedribs and severe internal
bleeding.
Sure, no external wounds.
That's none.
That's so weird.
Coroners described the traumaas being hit by a car, yet no
(01:01:08):
soft tissue damage, cuts orabrasions how?
Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
how hard were they hit by the car?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
The thing right like I'm just saying because like
cause that like no.
Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Anyways, I'll say in terms of this yes dubonina would
have died with that injury yeahwithin 10 to 20 minutes after
the initial trauma oh, it wouldhave been quick, it would have
been, very fast.
Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Okay, yeah, fair enough probably very slow for
her well, yeah, yeah, you're notin the grand scheme but overall
overall her so much yeah, sosemion zolotary off, okay, okay
if you'd like.
Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Yeah, you've got that reference photo now.
Yeah, so semion had similarinjuries as ludamina Yep, yep,
yep.
Okay, yep, he had broken ribstwo, three, four, five and six,
on the right side only.
Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
So basically, that's so weird that it was on one side
.
Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Yeah, she was on both sides, he was on one side.
Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Seven and one and seven Is that.
Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
So it would be like something hit potentially hit
her directly, right?
Yes, it seems that way yeahsomething, uh, or he turned to
the side yeah, he took it on theside.
Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
If she was forward and he was turning to the side
and they both got hit, it wouldjust be his side.
Her front correct makes totalsense yeah so he had
hemorrhaging into the cardiacmuscle.
None of the soft tissue wasdamaged.
Okay, he also had missingeyeballs animals like to eat yes
(01:02:55):
, they like soft parts yeah,there are foxes.
Yeah, reindeer, voles squirrels, sure.
Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
So yeah, potentially a lot of different wildlife.
Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Yeah, honey badgers these wounds are very similar to
the type of trauma that resultsfrom a shock or a bomb.
Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Really.
Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
I mean I'd like to disagree but okay.
We'll talk about theories.
Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
We'll talk about it.
Both Zolotaryov and Dubominahad an interesting pattern of
injuries.
They were both similar indirection and force, despite
their shape, their height, theirbody composition.
And also, with Zolotaryov,Semyon Zolotaryov he most likely
(01:03:50):
did not die of the cold.
Oh, he was well-dressed and hehad burka shoes.
Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
What are burka shoes?
Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
They're just like really insulated-type boots that
are so pretty in russia.
Okay, um, he also was foundwith a camera around his neck.
Now, what's weird?
Yuri yudin, the one who turnedback yeah he said that there
were only four cameras and thiswould be number five, he did not
(01:04:20):
know that this one existed.
Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Well, I mean, it's possible, he just didn't know.
It's possible, he just didn't.
It doesn't seem like he's lying.
Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
You're operating as a group right.
So you know, there's a couplecameras floating around if you
hit that perfect photo op.
But I mean, maybe they all lookthe same.
Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
I mean very possible.
Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
Maybe they're all just atypical black cameras, who
knows?
Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Right but it just seems weird that I don't know
what sucks is.
The melting water around hisbody damaged the film.
Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Of course, and we're sure of that right Because no
one would lie about that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
No, Now speaking of lying, we of never had
photographing evidence thatwe've never hit speaking of yeah
, never never, apparently healso had a pen and paper in his
hand at the time of death.
Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Really, one of the rescuers recalled that colonel
or t off or t of cough, sorry, Idon't know.
He grabbed the notepad, lookedat it, cursed and said, cursed,
dropped a cheese ball I droppeda cheese ball he said quote.
He's written nothing, end quoteso to this day, he seems to
(01:05:40):
have been the only person tohave seen this notebook, and it
was never filed into evidence.
Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
So basically, it's your say.
How is that possible, though?
Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
That makes no fucking sense it doesn't.
So the question is was it blank?
No one can account for that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
No, because no one's seen it but him.
Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Is it blank because it was actually blank, or did
the elements wash it away?
Like you're writing with afucking pencil, right?
Right so could be that it wasexposed to sun, the paper
degraded.
It was two months, quality oflead in russia, 1959.
So there's a lot of variablesthere, right?
(01:06:21):
No?
100, it just seems really odd,but it's interesting to me that
someone experienced somethingright at the point they are
about to die and is like I needto write this.
The fuck down I don't think thatit's like uh, I'm leaving a
(01:06:43):
letter for my loved ones.
This is like my final memoirright, right 100 this is like,
uh, I need to leave a clue aboutsomething and this is fucking
highly important.
Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
So the fact that it is not in evidence of any kind
or documented is interesting tome yeah, because in essence, he
was trying to find a way for itto live past exactly this time.
So yeah, that's strange.
Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Yeah, I get that okay , so the next person found in
this ravine was alexanderkolevatov okay okay, he was 24.
His clothing was alsoradioactive.
His upper torso was protectedby a sleeveless shirt, a
long-sleeved shirt, sweaterfleece, sweater ski jacket, but
(01:07:32):
it was unzipped.
Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
His ski jacket was damaged.
He had a big hole on the leftsleeve with burnt edges.
Okay, his right sleeve was alsodamaged and several tears were
found.
His jacket was unbuttoned andunzipped.
Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
He had woolen socks, no shoes.
He had a broken nose Okay,broken nose, okay.
And in this, this is where oneof those like weird things on
the same website doesn't makesense yeah on dietlovepasscom,
it said that he had a deformedneck and another part of the
(01:08:16):
website same website it said hehad a snapped neck deformed neck
I feel like that could mean avisible deformity.
Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
I mean it very well which could be a snapped neck.
Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Yes, so deformed is a little bit more generic snapped
is a little bit more specific,but it's just kind of it's odd.
So he also had an open woundbehind his ear, a, a three by
point or, excuse me, a three byone point five centimeter wound,
yep.
His autopsy was also lacking aton of details from the I'm
(01:08:53):
shocked.
Are you Lastly?
Not at all.
Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
Not at all.
Skeptical, bitch over here.
Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Lastly, we have Nikolai Sobobrignol.
Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
It was suggested that he and Zolotaryov might have
been outside the tent at thetime.
The whatever fucking happenedhappened.
Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
The time of the event , it was suggested that they
both had to go pee, and sothat's why they were so well
dressed compared to the othersthat they were outside peeing.
But both of them were muchbetter prepared than the rest of
the group.
They both wore hand-mittenwoolen socks and a pair of felt
boots Felt boots.
(01:09:37):
Weird Thibaut Brignol had adeep, depressed,
multi-splintered fracture in hisskull.
Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
The medical examiner said these theories would not
have been the result of Nicolaysimply falling from the level of
his own height, but falling andhitting his head at a deeper,
deeper depth.
So this kind of injury couldhave only occurred if he had
been thrown into the air, sure,and his head hit against the
rocks okay yeah, lack of damageto the soft tissue showed that
(01:10:12):
he could not have been hit bysomeone with a rock by someone's
hand well, right, I mean, lookat it okay this kind of trauma
could have occurred if ThibautBrignol had been thrown and
fallen and hit his head againstrocks, ice, etc.
by the gust of a strong wind.
Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Right.
Like a 75 mile an hour wind, Iwould say so Give or take, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
He probably would have had a severe concussion and
could have only had shown signsof life for about two to three
hours before death.
Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Again probably felt like fucking years for him.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
No.
Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
I mean fuck.
I think at that point you'dprobably be limited in your
motor function.
Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Yeah Right, everything you can't move and
you're freezing.
Yep so this is where the factsend and then next is where the
theories start, fuck yeah whatscared the hikers so much that
(01:11:15):
they had to cut themselves outof the tent?
And this is pure speculationand clearly it's, it's aliens,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
And walk Radioactivity Walk single file
calmly down the hill.
Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Do we know they were calmly or they just walk?
Single file.
Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Question about the footprints.
Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Yeah, it's about the footprints, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Like seriously I don't know, I mean forensic
people can chime in here here,but how do you tell that steps
are like even keeled and calmversus I would say if you're
running, you're dragging yourfeet these are larger stride
steps, yeah these are mostclearly steps.
Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
No, I get that.
However, there can bevariations and I would assume so
how?
How do you know?
Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
But all of them.
Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
It might be like everybody's in a fucking panic,
but we need to remain calm.
Situation Like we don't knowthe speed they're walking, but
it could be calmly right.
Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
So, Yep.
There's no signs of struggle.
Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
There's no like hardcore external injury, just
minor abrasions there's not likeanimal activity, there's not
like a visible animal attack.
Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
No, no there's no watch right, there's no claw
marks, there's no bite marks,there's nothing it's a hundred
percent yeti, yeah, um the thething is, though, obviously
there's eyes and tongue, andwhatever we're missing Very,
very, very well could have beenan animal.
Because they don't know better.
(01:12:49):
They're like ooh.
Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Delicious snack.
Oh yeah, eyeballs, they're upthere for survival as well, I'm
fucking hungry.
Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
That's like gold in the desert, you know?
Water in the desert, yeah, andpeople don't want to blame it on
animals because it's notsomeone to blame, it's not a
malicious thing.
It's, it's not malicious it'sjust animals, being animals well
, an animal doesn't hit someonewith the force of 75 miles an
hour and destroy ribs.
Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
No, no, I mean maybe, whereas somebody could be like,
um, let me move you animal, I'm75 miles per hour and I go.
No, they don't fucking know thedifference between 75, 85, 20.
It doesn't matter, they justdon't know.
Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
So I don't know.
So our next episode is going tobe about the theories.
Theories yeah, there's so manyfucking theories, they have 76
theories out there.
Yeah, well, there's so manyfucking theories, they have 76
theories out there, oh my godwe're going to talk about eight
of them maybe, maybe 12 if Ithrow a few but please for the
(01:13:54):
love of god, not 76.
We're not going to talk about76 I think about 76, but that's
fine.
Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
That's how my brain works.
Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Well, Audra, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Yes, we will resume with our theories with Audra and
Bradley, as always.
Cheers, I've got an empty beer.
I don't.
Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
My mom was empty.
Cheers, audra, you're notdrinking, but cheers nonetheless
, and thank you for being hereand this has been fun.
And let's get into some fuckingtheories.
Hell yeah, Welp, I suppose.
All right, buffoons, that's itfor today's episode.
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Remember, the buffoonery never stops.
I interrupt our beginning music for a very
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I'd just like to say happybirthday to my co-host, Kate,
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Oh, hey there, oh hey there.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Welcome back to Dyatlov.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm catching on real quick.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Dyatlov, part Kate Chokes.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I was going to say welcome back to Kate dying in
the corner.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, this is History , bavoons.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Part two.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Part two of Dyatlov Pass.
I am Kate.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
And I am Bradley and this is.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
We have Audra here.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Audra Stump, who is a ?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
co-worker of mine who loves the story Of Diat Love
Pass.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yes, absolutely.
She's been very informative.
I've liked her interjections sofar on the Part 1, because I
didn't know that shit.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, so If you have not listened to the first
episode, please go back and doit for the love of fucking god
do it?
Go back, because you're goingto be confused if you do not.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Those know the story oh, I was there and I'm confused
the background is superrelevant, right the background
is very relevant you're buildingup the reason why these people
are here.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
So I mean you gotta know a little bit about them
right otherwise it's just likeyou know no nine fucking randos,
just right no 100 playingaround playing around in the
snow.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I mean, I used to do that.
That was great.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
There's one for me, so if you decide not to go back
and listen, that's a fuckingtragedy.
This is the story about ninevery experienced hikers, a tale
of nine Yuri's.
There's two at this point yes,all right, third one bailed um
(02:28):
nine hikers who have um diedmysteriously on the mountain in
the northern urals in russiasiberia or siberia the same
thing, the same so if you havenot gone back to listen to the
first one or watch the first one.
(02:49):
We talked about the backgroundof the hikers and the weather or
the terrain and what theybrought with them.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
We've really set the scene.
We really have we really have.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, we set it up.
So if you did not listen to it,that's on you.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And the timeline.
We also went through thetimeline of what we knew
happened.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
So far, yes, and when we all started drinking?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
That's fair.
That's fair, she's not wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
We were having some white Russians with vodka and
heavy cream and Still Bailey's,bailey's, yep there it is.
Yep, there it is, and I'mhaving a Modelo because I've had
enough liquor from the firstepisode.
Creamy dairy treats, creamydairy treats.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
She literally only had one white Russian.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I had one and a nut.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
What the fuck.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
It's all about balance.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So we're going to start where the search begins.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
After the fact After the fact Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Okay, the group was expected to return to um.
Return to visee, yes, byfebruary 12th right and send a
telegram to the universitysports club saying, hey, we made
it back yes exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
give us our fucking category three exactly.
Yes, yes, I want my piece ofpaper.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
So no message comes, families start to raise the
alarms.
February 12th came and went.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
They didn't start raising an alarm for eight days,
though.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
So telegram Almost not true so.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Okay well.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
The parents.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Learn me something.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
The parents of Rustin Slobodin was the first to
express some concern.
Sure, rustic's father was theprofessor Vladimir Slobodin, who
teaches at a local agriculturaluniversity.
Okay, and he actuallytelephones the UPI sports club.
Okay, phones the upi sportsclub, okay, so he was told that
(05:12):
the director of the club, levgordo, is also on a trip.
Oh, he, on vacay oh dear and hewon't reach be returning for
several days right so more daysdo pass.
So, day after day, relatives ofthe hikers call the university
and they're given the same spiel, which is the the group is late
(05:32):
understandable, yeah thedirector is gone.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Please be patient so up in the mountains.
No phone, no radio, delays areusual.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, they are usual well, especially with inclement
weather.
Yes, you don't know justifiableat this point?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
yeah, exactly so igor diet love actually told yuri
yudin before he he turned back,yeah, that because the trek was
so complicated he was expectedto take the hike a little bit
longer sure I get that, but so,finally, on february 17th, the
university, the universityofficially sends an inquiring
(06:14):
telegram to vizay the villagewhere the diet love group was
supposed to be returning to haveyou seen these hikers exactly
yeah, what's up?
Yes, so the families also makea request to the university for
some search planes.
But no, they're not going to dothat.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
No, no, no, no these dipshits did this on their own,
yeah, so the rip.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
The reply telegram the next day because they get
the very next day says theDyatlov group did not return.
So finally, the universitytakes charge and finally
assembles a formal search partyof the missing hikers.
However, the Dyatlov group'sofficial approved route was
(07:05):
ne'er to be found.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Because they didn't actually get it approved by the
commission's records.
It was lost in the Soviet papershuffle.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Cold War Again.
There's some shit going on,yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I mean Cold War, KGBgb and space race, all that
shit yeah so so we have no ideaidea of what the exact path
would have been right.
So, with no definitive map oftheir course, the, the rescuers,
are essentially marching intothis frozen tundra with
(07:46):
basically a blindfold on, notknowing which way the group
actually went.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
They went to Lambeau Field.
What the frozen tundra Anyways.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I'm.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Nebraska, and I don't know what that means.
That's a common nickname forLambeau Field.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
The frozen tundra.
Why?
Because it's cold up here.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Does North Dakota or Montana or Seattle or Maine or
Vermont or New Hampshire have ateam?
I said the ice bowl.
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (08:23):
So we're not talking about other states, we're
talking about the green baypackers I know, but are there
other places in the north thathave?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
it doesn't matter, those don't have teams that's
what I was asking if they hadteams no, yeah, north dakota
doesn't know montana, seattle.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Seattle doesn't have a does but it's not, but it's
rainy it's it's like this it'snot the rainy tundra, it's yeah
frozen correct what about alaska?
They don't have a team thatsucks for them I mean it's dark
for a while, a while up there,and then it's light for yeah a
(09:02):
while I feel like we're gettingoff point we are you just
started naming states?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well, you started talking about a frozen tundra, I
know nothing of.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
We blew your mind with football.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
There's a baseball game on tonight, the Brewers.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
There's a Brewers game on every night, from my
understanding.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Almost.
Yes, you're right, not lastnight.
Okay, okay're right.
Not last night.
Okay, okay, okay, oh dear.
Finally, two men get into amilitary helicopter and fly over
the Ural Mountains, but theydon't get very far because of
poor visibility.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Was it snowing?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Reoccurring theme.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
There was a storm.
They had to turn back With thewhat yeah?
February.
Was it snowing?
Reoccurring theme yes, therewas a storm.
They had to turn back With thewhat yeah?
February 21st Volunteersstudents of the UPT, upi there
it is, upi.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Police and military researchers or searchers head
into the mountains.
Okay, they had planes, they haddogs, they had local guides
from the Mansee tribe.
Yes, they all joined the effort.
Okay, february 26th, the tentis found.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Cut from the inside.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah Fellow.
Student of UPI, boris Slovtov,slovstav, slovstav.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I feel like we're at an impasse here.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
His group discovered the trail of the skis that they
assumed to be of the diet lovegroup well assumed, yeah the
next day, on the february 27th,they discovered the tent on the
slope of the diet love pass yeswell, it was named that after.
But yeah, yes, ironically,ironically, slob tov jesus
(11:09):
christ.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Hey, have you seen slob tov?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
he was among those who actually helped construct
the tent three years prior bytaking the tent three years
prior, by taking two four mantents and sewing them together.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
He's the one who stitched it up.
So where did the ninth personsleep?
Seriously, bradley Again, footto face situation.
Wash them, yep.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
He recognized this tent immediately.
Now, take out your fuckingphones.
Take out your fucking phones.
Oh, that was a direction for us.
Yes, okay, I don't need.
Take out your fucking phones,take out your fucking phones.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Oh, that was a direction for us.
Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I don't need to take out my phone because I'm
recording you on my fuckingphone, Bradley.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I need you to go to our drive.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I have it up right now.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I need you to look at the tent.
It's called the Dyatlov Groupsomething or other.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Oh, you have a different thing.
I'm supposed to look at DyatlovGroup tent.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yes, Take a look at that picture.
So that's the tent that theyextracted.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
And they put up back at the police station.
Sure Was it?
Yeah, absolutely.
If you're going to eat, I'mgoing to eat.
No, I'm not eating you it.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
If you're going to eat, I'm going to eat.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
No, I'm not eating.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
You are, though.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I'm not.
I'm taking a drink.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
But that doesn't matter.
So this is the two four persontent sold into an eight person
tent with don't have room forninth but hey, everybody's
friends here so okay, continue.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I'll wait for my question.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
This tent was found 300 meters from the top of the
mountain, on a yeah.
Depending on what resource youlook at.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
A 22 to 30 degree slope Right.
Okay, resource you look at,yeah, a 22 to 30 degree slope,
right, okay dietlovepasscom.
Oh, they have a website forthat yes, that is um in chart,
the diet love group foundation.
Right, he's in charge of dietlovepasscom.
They say it was a 30 degreeslope.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Okay, so why is there a discrepancy there?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I would just venture a guess it depends on snow drift
, yeah settling amount of snow.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, yeah okay, fair enough okay.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
So the official report says this quote campsite
is located on the northeastslope of mountain 1079 at the
source of river ospia ospia, theriver ospia, okay.
Campsite is located 300 metersfrom the top of the mountain
1079, on a slope of 30 degrees.
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Campsite consists of a pad offlattened snow on the bottom of
stacked eight pairs of skis.
Tent is stretched on poles andfixed with ropes.
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Nine backpacks were discoveredwith various personal items
jackets, raincoats, nine pairsof shoes.
Okay, there were also foundmen's pants and three pairs of
boots, warm fur coats, socks,hat, ski caps, utensils, buckets
, stove axe, saw blankets,notebooks, food, biscuits in two
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bags, condensed milk, sugarconcentrates, itinerary and many
other small items and documents, cameras and accessory to
cameras.
The nature and form of all cutssuggest that they were formed
by contact with a canvas insideof the tent with the blade of
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some weapon, presumably a knife.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
End quote can you say utensils again?
Speaker 3 (15:24):
utensils there it is.
I'm no like forensicinvestigator here, but right the
picture if you can insert it toreference what I'm about to say
.
Yes, we can.
Um, the tent is caved in upon,correct?
So how does one tell at thepoint that everything is
(15:50):
snow-packed right?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
right that cuts are made from the inside or the
outside so the one that Ilistened to today was it was
some random seamstress right Wasin there for some other work
and happened to see this set upwithin the police department I
guess it was and said oh, thoseare from the inside.
(16:13):
So she's not an expert, but sheknows her shit.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
So she knows her shit , kind of thing.
Okay, yes, it just is like, oh,okay.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
So the size of the tent were cut from the inside.
It looks like the hikers chosethis weird exit to leave the
tent, completely ignoring theentrance, and it looks like they
fled suddenly and irrationallyinto the night.
Some of the cuts on the tentdid not make it all the way
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through.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Okay, so this tent did not have zippers.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
What did it have?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Zippers were invented at this time, but the tent was
sewn together 1893.
And then the entrance wassecured with rope, ties and
loops and they closed manuallyby tying the canvas flaps
together.
Oh, okay.
So it was functional, but not aquick escape.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Right, I'm sure.
Yes, okay, okay, makes sense.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
So searchers discovered that the back of the
tent was half buried in snow onthe side of the mountain.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
So the north part was covered with 15 to 20
centimeters of snow.
It was concluded from generalappearance and density that it
was not a result of an avalanche, but blown by the wind.
Sure, out of an avalanche, butblown by the wind.
(17:49):
Sure.
Near the tent, a pair of skiswere sticking out from the snow
okay, which couldn't haveremained upright had there been
an avalanche.
And at the entrance of the tentof the snow excuse me, in the
snow was an ice axe Ice axe,mm-hmm.
Okay.
Next to the ice axe wasDyatlov's jacket.
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In the pockets was a penknifeon a carabiner and a pocketbook
with Zima Zina or ZanetaKolmogorova's photo inside
Zanita, zanita's Kolmogorova'sphoto inside this pocketbook
Okay.
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Inside of Igor's pocketbook,right, suggesting that they were
dating.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah, that's right.
That's what you said before.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Okay, Yep yep, the objects did not shed any light
on what had happened, but it wasstrange that Dyatlov took off
his jacket outside the tent.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Well, yeah, because it's like, why would you do that
in this cold?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Exactly Well.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
On the side of the tent.
We'll get there.
On the side of the tent, on topof 10 centimeters of snow, tent
centimeters of snow, laidDyatlov's flashlight.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
On top of the tent and snow On top of the snow.
That's so weird.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Boris, slob, slob, slob, slob.
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Slob, are we apologize for our pronunciation
of everything?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
yes, he picked it up.
He was a reason.
He was one of the searchers.
He picked it up and turned iton.
The flashlight was in workingcondition okay, interesting from
boris's witness testimony.
He said, quote it was strangethat while there was a layer of
snow, let's say, five to 10centimeters thick under the
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flashlight, there was no snow ontop of it and it was snowed
slightly on either side.
End quote.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
So Wind, wind Right yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Drifting All that stuff either side end quote.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
So wind, wind, right yeah drifting, it's gonna sweep
off the top and the objectbecomes uncovered.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
So that's what I would assume as well.
Unfortunately, there were alsoa lot of problems when they
documented the tent gofigure-figure.
Two photos were made that didnot fit well together.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Have you seen the photo now?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
The tent one.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yes, yes, the tent photo.
Yeah, you can see that thereare two photos that were kind of
stitched together kind ofhorribly.
Yep.
The side of the tent facinguphill was not photographed.
Oh, the tent facing uphill wasnot photographed.
Oh, we know that there was atleast one hole in the tent and
diet loves jacket was actuallytucked into this hole, oh, okay
(20:51):
yes, at the far right end of thetent is left out of the photos.
My cats are hungry.
They're pawing at the door.
I thought I was losing my mindthe cats are like looking like.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Does anybody else hear what I'm hearing someone
make eye contact with me.
I'm confused.
What is?
What is this?
My cats are hungry.
Is it in my head?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
part of the torn material on the right side of is
covering a hole that has neverbeen measured.
Interesting, the sizes of theholes are not precise but only
approximate.
Okay, and when the seamstresswho had come in to she came in
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to like size up an officer'swardrobe or something, she was
the one that noticed these knifemarks on the tent are coming
from the inside, the inside out.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Why did she decide that these cuts were important
and others that were on the tentwere not worth mentioning?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
see, here's the problem with everything.
I'm a skeptical bitch rightokay, I automatically think
everyone is lying until I knowdifferently right so my mind is
going is this a witnesstestimony, Right?
Who is this woman?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
She's not an expert.
She's a seamstress.
But would we call her an expert?
We don't know?
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Well, I mean, but who documented this?
Like how many people wereinvolved in this conversation?
Because as we talk about theconspiracy theories and the
possibilities here, the popularoption is to scream cover-up,
right.
So in the grand scheme, who'sthis woman?
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How does this lend to the storyand how do we know that it's
not all bullshit?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
well, that's the thing it's.
It could be a hundred percentbullshit.
It could be, I mean seriouslythat's why this is popular.
Well, and that's the thing,it's just, it's the whole pure
speculation of what the fuckhappened.
Yeah.
Nobody will fully ever know.
There they can do theirforensic evidence and so on and
(23:19):
whatever.
And like they mentionedsomething in that one which we
haven't gotten to yet, sowhatever, but we'll get there,
okay, but it's like no one willever fully know.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, because they weren't there yeah, I'm just a
skeptical bitch well, I thinkeverybody's which is why you're
on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
So another problem with these photos there's no
ruler so you have no idea thescale no, there was a chair in
the back of the photo which theyused as a measurement, really
to measure the holes in the tentthat's weird really.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yes, that seems really odd.
Yeah, or just not very wellplanned out.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, I mean seriously okay so, outside of
the tent, eight or nine pairs offootprints.
All were leading downhilltowards the woods.
Okay, Okay.
Some were barefoot, some werein socks, some had a single boot
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on, and you can tell all ofthis by the pictures that they
took, sure.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
So that kind of just puts the question out there.
Right, this is where I spiral,guys.
If the wind was strong enoughto blow anybody's guesstimate of
covering of snow around theflashlight?
That's on top of the pile, soto speak yeah how did the wind
not sweep over and destroy thesefootprints right?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
well, right, yeah, that makes no sense, because
just drifting alone would havecovered those up.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah, yeah so so if you know the other one comes out
avalanche.
Um, you know how?
How do we preserve, to say,nine sets of footprints, some in
boots, some barefoot, somestocking?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
yeah, no, that that's really weird to really think
about.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
So so as they're looking upon these like
footprints down the hill yeah umthey notice that it's all in
single file okay, so they'relike the sand people from Star
Wars.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Like little ducks in a row.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Or the sand people.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Some would deviate outside of the single file and
then come back Cut them off Acouple times they would move out
of the single file and comeback, but all in all it looked
like eight to nine sets offootprints heading down the hill
in a very organized fashion.
(26:08):
Yeah, fashion, not panickedRight, not fast, but just
they're marching down the hill.
Sure, it was uneventful.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Uneventful.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yes, okay, okay, february 27th through March 2nd
Okay, the first five bodies arefound.
Oh shit, about 1.5 kilometersor about one mile downhill from
the tent, the investigatorsfollowed the footprints as best
(26:40):
they could.
They do disappear for a littlebit and then they come back
towards the, the bottom of thehill mountain.
Um, they, the investigators,found the remains of a fire
along under a cedar tree.
Yes, okay, two bodies werethere right yuri gregory
(27:04):
krivonishenko and yuridoroshenko had to be both yuri's
gregory krivonishenko and yuridoroshenko yeah they were bare,
both barefoot, with minimalclothing.
Now, many of the much of theresearch that I did said they
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were in their underwear, whichwas not the case no, no based on
the diet love pass website bythe diet love pass foundation
right say that they were not injust underwear, but they were
barefoot.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Which is basically like being in just underwear out
there right, they were inminimal clothing.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
No, I mean for sure, because like fuck could you
imagine?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
No, do you think it was because of Igor.
I can't imagine any of this.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Do you think it was because Igor was washing her
feet?
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I mean that's part of the theory.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
They failed the test of the theory.
The test okay, so gregorykrivonishenko.
He was found facing up okayokay, krivonishenko's right leg
has no footwear.
On his left foot there was abrown sock torn okay another
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sock like this was discoveredhalf burnt next to the fire
interesting on the backs of hishands the skin is torn.
Between the fingers there isblood.
The index finger is also torn.
The skin of his left shin istorn and covered in blood.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
There are no more visible injuries on his body.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
All right.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
That seems weird.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Upon later investigation, it was noted that
his own flesh was between histeeth, because he was probably
trying to bite himself to see ifhe could feel.
Potentially to see if he hadany feeling in his hands Right
because they were going throughhypothermia.
Basically, yes.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
He essentially bit his own hand in desperation to
figure out if he could feelanything Exactly.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I would imagine you're trying to just figure out
am I fucking alive anymore?
Speaker 1 (29:25):
or have I completely lost it, because at that point
you're probably fucking you'reso disoriented, you're so cold.
Yeah, you're yeah it's like amI alive?
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I don't know exactly, yeah, for sure could be a good
idea yeah, at that point.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
And the problem is, when you're so deep into
hypothermia like that, you'renot gonna, you not going to feel
that for a long fucking time.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
But also if I'm a hiker that's stuck and I'm
fucking freezing, I'm going tobe trying to rub any part of my
body because especially myfucking legs Right, because
those got to work Like I got toget out of here.
A hundred percent yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
So so his clothes were found on ludmilla dubonina
okay suggesting that she tookhis clothes to wear for herself.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Okay, okay, um.
Kravina Shenko's cause of deathwas hypothermia.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
It makes sense, yuri Doroshenko.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
He was facing down, but he had liver mortis on his
back.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (30:50):
His blood was pooling on his back.
Though he was, he was facingdown.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
All the blood should have pooled down then right,
right, but it was up on his back, it was on his back okay which
means he would have died on hisback, so liver on his front.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
We learned today liver mortis is different than
rigor mortis, obviously yesliver mortis is lividity, for
those who don't know it.
Um, so the blood settling whenyou're deceased, rigor mortis,
is the muscle tightening.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Oh, okay, gotcha so he had liver mortis on his back,
which suggests that he died onhis back, but he was found
facing down interesting okay, sothis suggested that someone
moved him after death right okay, possibly survivors, and
(31:41):
possibly after they took clothesoff of them, right to wear
themselves.
Okay, doroshenko had woolensocks on his feet, and over
these socks were another lightersock okay his ear, lips and
nose are covered in blood ohdear, and on his left hand, the
middle finger is bloodyinteresting okay, his cause of
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death was hyperthermia.
Sure, okay, the branches on thecedar tree which they were found
under, yeah, the two.
They were broken up to theheight of five meters or 16 feet
, suggesting that the hikers hadclimbed the tree to potentially
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look for something.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
These cuttings were at the base of the tree and not
used for burning.
They were too young of branchesso they were too wet
essentially.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the clearingof the branches in the tree were
facing towards the tent, sowe're looking at a mile downhill
(32:49):
.
Right, we're a mile downhill.
There's a cedar tree and theclearing in the cedar tree is in
the direction of the tent.
So, suggesting someone, climbthe tent, maybe cut down a
clearing to look, or, excuse me,climb the tree, cut down
branches in the tree to look forwhere the tent might be.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Oh, so they're just trying to find their way,
potentially An orientation kindof thing, yes, which?
Speaker 3 (33:15):
way am I even going.
Yes, sure.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Okay.
Forensic tests conducted on thebark of the tree had traces of
skin embedded in it, suggestingthat the pair had frantically
attempted to climb the treewhile snapping off branches,
until their hands basicallyturned to kind of a little bit.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah okay, yeah interesting.
I could not imagine being inthis fucking scenario.
No, this is wild no.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Anyways, sorry, continue.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
The fire in the branches around the excuse me,
the fire in the branches aroundthe fire had been cut.
Sorry, the branches around thefucking fire, there we go had
been cut with a knife.
We got there, okay, no knives.
Were on any of the persons notfound okay interesting the
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volume of work done suggestedthat there were more people
around the fire helping buildthe fire than the two that were
found near the fire so it makessense right kravon ishenko and
dora shanko if someone tooktheir clothes right.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yeah, in this situation you're an asshole.
If you steal your good buddy'sclothes, yeah, like for yourself
right so that's like a theydied.
Now it's okay.
Now we can split up the theclothes situation, right.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Exactly, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
So there's.
The investigators also foundvarious fragments of clothing
here.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
A ripped sweater cuff next to the fire.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
The trees near the fire had been cut with knives,
but there were no knives.
Doroshenko.
Yuri doroshenko was found withgray foaming liquid on his cheek
gray foaming liquid potentiallyan expelling of air okay, I
guess sure krivon ishenko landedin or near the fire and
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potentially burnt his socks andparts of his body.
So essentially they're thinkingthey climbed the tree.
They fell one of them expelledso much air that it like applied
a gray foaming liquid here.
The other one fell into thefire and barked some of his
clothes.
Okay, okay interesting afterfalling to the ground, not being
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able to move due to exhaustionhypothermia hypothermia.
They later died, not too farfrom the fire okay okay, the
fire had only been lit forapproximately an hour and a half
, which means that they foundapproximately eight centimeters
worth of branches of cedar thathad been burned through.
(36:16):
So how much of the branch wasburned through, which was how
long they could tell that thefire was lit?
Oh, okay.
So about eight centimeters wasapproximately an hour and a half
of lit fire, that's fuckingwild that.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
It's weird that they can tell that.
I mean that's really justimpressive.
Yeah, I mean I get it, forensicstuff, all that, whatever.
But jesus christ, how would youknow that?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
but okay, I feel like there's a lot of variables that
could throw that off, though,right 100 yes wind, wind.
Someone putting it out earlyhow old were the branches really
?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
how old were they were?
Speaker 3 (36:54):
they more wet?
Were they dry?
Because I mean, that's allvariable yeah, who knows?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
yeah, yeah, so how krivonishenko and Doroshenko
died, which was side by side,indicated that whoever was last
in contact with the bodies feltcompassion, pity and respect
towards the victims andpotentially moved them because
of the liver mortis.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah, okay, yeah, because yeah, yep, yep, yep Okay
.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
That same day, igor Dyatlov, the leader, was found.
Oh dear, okay, he wasapproximately 300 meters, or 328
yards, uphill from the cedartree.
Okay, his body was positionedin a way that it looked like he
was actually headed back towardscamp.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Oh, really, mm-hmm Okay.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
He was dressed decent .
He was in an unbuttoned fursleeveless vest with two
different socks on no shoes.
It's hard to explain, kind ofthe uneven distribution.
It could be that he had twosocks on one foot and he moved
one sock to the other foot Sure,just to protect it to the other
foot, sure, just to protect it.
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We don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
No.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
He had minor abrasions on his internal wrist,
okay, both knees and ankles.
He had dried blood on his lips,minor abrasions throughout his
face.
He had bruises on his knucklescommon in hand-to-hand fights.
Sure there were no internalinjuries.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
His cause of death was hypothermia so he's what the
third or fourth person of he'sthe cause of death hypothermia
third, he's the third found.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
All right, yes, next we have zanata kolmogorova.
What, what's her name?
Kolmogorova?
Okay, nailed it nailed it shewas found next okay um, she was
beyond diet love.
Another 330 meters headingtowards the tent how many feet
(39:07):
is that?
So 630 meters from the tent.
I did not do a um conversion onthat one, that's fine 630
meters from the from the cedartree I mean, that's pretty far
she was just fairly well inlayers.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
She had three pairs of socks, no shoes that's so
weird, like why would you haveso many socks but no shoes?
That's so weird, Like why wouldyou have so many socks but no
shoes?
That's just strange Well theyfound what?
Speaker 3 (39:33):
nine pairs of shoes inside the tent.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Right, so I mean fuck if I don't have shoes on.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
I'm putting all the socks on, give me more socks.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
More socks please.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
So she had numerous contusions on her face and hands
.
Okay, she had a long bruise onthe side of her torso, a very
long bruise which looks like apotential baton hit.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Oh, and the important thing here is that this is
pre-mortem right, Right Afterdeath.
You don't bruise.
So correct Because yeah,there's no blood flow Right.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
So, and where she is at, on the pass, on the way to
the tent, there is nothinggrowing Interesting.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
There's nothing there , ok.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Her cause of death is hypothermia due to a violent
accident violent accident, nodoubt okay next they find rustam
slobodin on march 5th, so acouple days later.
All right, he was at a distanceof 480 meters from the cedar,
(40:49):
so he was actually between igordyatlov and zenaida kolomogorova
she's the one last name that Ijust can't quite get, okay,
kolomogorova, yes.
So he was covered with 50centimeters of snow, face down,
headed towards the tent.
He was dressed better than theothers.
(41:10):
He had one felt boot.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
One felt boot.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
He had dried blood on his nose, a lot of abrasions on
the side of his face.
Yeah, bruised knuckles, like hewas in a fight.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Bruises on his left tibia, hemorrhages on his
temporalis muscles of the faceup here okay fracture of the
frontal bone, potentially from ablunt object, but not lethal
okay okay.
His injury pattern is a reverseof what we would actually see
(41:50):
an injury suffered by a freezingman in the last minutes of his
life right, yeah, 100 so itlooks as if rustin fell
repeatedly on his face as he waswalking down the mountain,
except for he was walking up themountain I mean, I guess, the
cats are going crazy in thatroom I hear them yeah it looks
(42:11):
as if um so.
So he had bruises and scratcheswhich were all blamed on, like
last minute agony.
Essentially, yeah, although itwas still somewhat unclear how
it managed to harm him.
When a person falls, even in anirrational state, my cats are
(42:33):
going crazy at the door, soinitially I thought it was like
popcorn popping and I'm likethere's gonna be fucking popcorn
.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Oh, it's escalating, it's really popping.
Now, okay, that's not popcorn,pop it like it's hot Okay.
All right.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
So we don't know how he did damage to his exterior
hands and legs.
Right.
When a person falls down inlike an irrational state, it's
usually the palms that suffer.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Typically, yeah, You're trying to like stop
yourself Because you're stoppingyourself.
Yeah, Exactly.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
So somehow every time he potentially fell he hit his
face.
That's so weird.
So if he hit his head he couldhave lost coordination.
On Slobodin, the liver mortisspots were on top on the top
surface of his body, which meanshe potentially was flipped over
(43:25):
.
Right he potentially wasflipped over right with corp,
corp, corp, kovina,krivonishenko, with
krivonishenko and doroshenko.
The medical examinerpotentially mistook frostbite
erythema, which is redness forliver mortis.
Oh, when frostbitten bodies arethawing, the body can turn red
(43:49):
making it for mistaking it forliver mortis.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
This could possibly have happened to Rustem?
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Okay, okay.
Two months went on without thelast four hikers being found.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Oh dear.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
The weather was horrendous Yep and snowfall was
making the search impossible andat this point we are going to
take a small break.
We don't have much more to go,but I need to pee again.
That's fine, and we're back.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
It's my new thing, tom.
I'm going to start everythingnow, every meeting, everything I
do, fuck yeah, fuck yeah.
Bitches, okay, ready to fucktoday in the mouth?
Yes, I'm sorry that came outreally aggressive, no that's my
new sentiment for every fuckingday.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I'm going to fuck this day in the mouth.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Right, fuck this day in the mouth.
Super professional all the time.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Always, always, Frankie.
Okay, we got two pages left.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Come on, Frankie Fakes, let's do this.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Oliver's the one I'm nervous.
He likes to rub on shit andmake noise.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
And he's doing it now .
Speaker 1 (45:09):
God damn it I know, I'm kind of confused why he's
out.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
I'm like revisiting this whole scene of Bradley
kissing thing.
Oh, it wasn't anything.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Oh, my word.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
It wasn't like a romantic kiss, no, it was, was
just.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
I want to see that, so we just.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
That's all it was like thanks for making tacos
yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Thanks for making tacos smooch.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
I had to edit a lot of shit out and we're back, are
we?
Speaker 1 (45:53):
part of the thing is like obviously I'm editing this
out.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
So I'll just say it.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
We're dating.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
The podcast doesn't know that that's why Kate visits
your house.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Yeah, and I visit hers.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah, I visit his family.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
And we're co-workers?
Yeah, and so are Sam and I.
Yeah, exactly 100%.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Yeah, who would think otherwise?
Anyways, let's do this.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Two pages, let's go when you guys said you weren't
gonna get here to four, I waslike this is gonna be a long
night to be fair, I did try toleave like right after work, but
same happened on a Friday.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Everything is blowing up right about that time.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
So it's like hard stop, gotta go.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I was ready she was.
It was me Like I wasn't wearinga shirt.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
You know Shirt at a time like this.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
I'm like I gotta wear a shirt.
Are you sure I have to put ashirt on?
I did.
I don't really like leave myhouse.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Like that's the joy of working at home, that's quite
alright, I totally get it,totally get it.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
It's not like I was walking around with my tits out,
like I did have a.
A bra and other flannel.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Do you want to know a funny fact?
Speaker 3 (47:25):
You walk around with your tits out.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
No, my, my initials is Bra oh.
Bra.
My name is Bradley Rogers Akers.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
So I have three last names.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
Bra.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Yeah, Bra.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
I have three first names.
Three first names Kate.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Elizabeth and Stuart, that's not your first name.
I have three first names that'snot your first name, though I
mean, do it for being technicalit is Katie, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (47:59):
yes, but I know you don't like that.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Don't fuck shit up just to be destructive, okay
let's finish this okay, we'reback and guess who's back back
again shady's back tell myfriend, yeah okay, we're on to
(48:26):
may 4th yes, be with you yes,once the snow started melting
for so that's two months later.
Wait, yes, holy shit, this twomonths star wars right this is
pre-star wars but star warstranscends everything.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
That's fair.
We just didn't know the storyuntil the 77.
That's fair, it was alreadythere.
It know the story until the 77.
That's fair, it was alreadythere it was cooking.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Let's hone this in folks.
Once the snow started settling.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
May 4th.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Just kidding.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Once it started melting.
I was going to say settling.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
A Manse tribe native and his dog were walking around
and found some pants with theright leg cut off pants at a
time like this and he foundanother.
I have to put pants on he foundthe left half of a woman's
sweater again all cut up where'sthe right half?
(49:25):
The right half was cut off, aswell as the sleeve of the left
half.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
So it was a vest.
So this area in this search wassearched with probes.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
People would poke down a bunch of probes to see if
it hit something solid andduring the search yeah, imagine
that job no, no, fuck that.
That would be terrible and theydid search this area with the
probes, but the snow was toodeep to actually reach where the
bodies were found okay but aden was found, a den about 70 to
(50:08):
75 meters from the cedar treedownhill.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
The LaBaz, not quite the LaBaz.
The den was made by thesurviving four members of the
group in a ravine that washidden from cold winds.
Vein that was hidden from coldwinds.
Cedar branches were broughthere and laid out to minimize
contact with the snow.
So they built this den, theybrought in these branches and
(50:36):
they would sit on the branchesRight, okay.
So on one hand, it shows thatthey are sane enough to do all
these survival tactics.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
They still have the survival instinct Right.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Yes, On the other hand, it's unclear why it worked
, because where did the knife go?
There was no knife.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
There's no knife Right yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
No knife found.
No knife and some of theclothes that were taken from the
bodies left underneath thiscedar tree were placed on the
cedar branches and they weren'tbeing used okay that is weird.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
So devil's advocate here yeah, right, devil's
avocado devil's lettuce.
Um.
So if these branches werehypothetically gotten from
around the fire?
Right, you know we've climbedthe tree, we've gotten the
branches.
We're trying to look out umthis could explain some of like
(51:39):
the shin injuries, right you'rebreaking it over your knee
because oh, there's no evidence,like no one has a knife, that's
known.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
But I would assume that they would know the
difference between somethingbeing broken.
Your cord is making noises Ifyou want to put it across the
microphone there, or that You'regood.
Yeah, you're good.
I think they would know thedifference between a branch
(52:07):
being broke versus being cut.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
I mean you're not wrong there, because they could
definitely tell that I know whatyou're saying.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's just weird, because youwould definitely know if it was
broke or cut.
Yeah, I think so.
I mean there's significant wasbroke or cut.
Yeah, I think so.
I mean there's significantdifference between the two.
Yeah.
So I don't know, it's juststrange.
(52:34):
Yes, go on.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
So, the bot, the leftover, the leftover, excuse
me, the four remaining bodies.
And these are the people thatwere by the the ravine the
ravine they were not found inthe den that they built no, they
were.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
They were found in a ravine because of, potentially,
what the other one I listened towas there was moving water
underneath it.
What's the word I'm looking for?
Fuck?
Speaker 2 (53:08):
disintegrated human flesh yeah, let's go with that
yeah that's exactly what I wasthinking, so they were buried a
few feet away in a ravine underfour meters or 13 feet of snow
but it also was snowing, and andblowing.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
And blowing.
So I mean, there's potentialfor that to be a part of that 13
feet.
So it's not like significant,like I shouldn't say not
significant.
It's not like okay, well, snowall fell on them.
It could have been blowingaround, whatever.
There's a lot of differentvariations of what could have
(53:47):
happened.
For them to be under that muchsnow is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
So if you both want to take a look at the document
that I created, the one with thetent and everything.
Yes, so it has a picture of thetent where all of the hikers
were found, yeah, and kind oflike the overall visual.
(54:12):
Of course it's not accurate inany way, shape or form.
Just kind of a, just a visualrepresentation overall visual
yeah, just so that you kind ofknow where everybody was found
and where right.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
So who was?
Who was diet love dating again.
What was her name?
Speaker 2 (54:29):
yeah, zanada, the one closest to the tent, who had
died uphill okay, so theyweren't far apart from each
other, but they were someone whowas between them yeah, yeah,
rustin.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
Rustin was, slobodin was between them right, okay, I
was just trying to figure outhow close they were.
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Okay so.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
Ludmila Dubonina.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yeah, there she is, yes.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
She was at the bottom of the ravine.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
She was one of the four, yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yes, she was found fairly dressed.
She was wearing the clothes ofsome of the others which
speculation is other.
They found others dead theydied, they took their clothes to
help their survival correct.
The clothing that she wore wasgregory krivonishenko right and
(55:24):
it was found after the fact thathis clothing, at least his, his
top, yeah was radioactive right, which is wild, that they would
even test for that I meanhonestly so ludamilla,
apparently in the last attemptto kind of preserve her feet,
also took off her sweater andcut it in two pieces okay and
(55:47):
put it around her feet.
She was already wearing twopairs of socks and a third one
on one foot, but not the other.
She couldn't find the pair, orwhatever.
I mean if she was in a rush,yeah, so one half of the sweater
was on one foot, the other halfshe left on the slope.
She actually didn't get it onher foot, okay, somehow it was
(56:11):
unintentionally left behind,sure?
Um, she had severe internalinjuries severe yes, ribs two,
three, four and five were brokenon the right side and two were
fractured lines which arevisible.
(56:32):
Yeah, ribs two, three, four,five, six, seven are broken on
the left side, which isbasically all of them.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Yes, I was saying is there any left With an
additional two fracture lines?
That's crazy Just your firstone, which is kind of hard to
get at, but yeah, you're notwrong there.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
Holy balls there was a massive hemorrhage in her um
heart's right atrium,potentially due to one of the
broken ribs okay she also had.
Speaker 3 (57:03):
I'm so ready for you to say this Fuck yeah, say it,
do it.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
She had a missing tongue.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
And eyes.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
And eyes and part of her lip and Her hyoid was broken
.
What's that?
Your hyoid is way up in yourthroat.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:26):
And is an injury that typically only occurs in cases
of strangulation.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
I have not heard that in any of my research.
Speaker 3 (57:36):
That is one of the most fucked up injuries in this
whole spiel and I haven't heardthat in any, not even on the
Diet Love Pass website.
Speaker 2 (57:47):
So questionable there , questionable so many things.
Speaker 3 (57:51):
It's crazy but, yeah, her hyoid was broken, which
isn't an easy thing to do, right?
Speaker 2 (57:59):
no, I get it is a small bone, yeah, yeah, but, and
it's a fragile bone, but you dohave to really get up there and
apply pressure.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
No, for sure, because otherwise Consistent pressure.
How would you do that, right?
No, it has to be consistentexcessive pressure, yeah no, for
sure.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
No, I get that so doobanina was found lying on a
natural ledge with continuouswater flowing over her.
Okay, her mouth was open yesand while some have claimed her
tongue had been torn out oreaten, the medical report is
more restrained in saying, quotethe tongue is missing yeah I
(58:43):
mean, they also didn't fuckingknow.
So yeah, I don't know, seemsweird, but yeah, okay the
forensic examiner not only notedor, excuse me, noted not only
the missing tongue, but also theabsence of the hypoglossal
muscle, which I believe is likeone of these, like side tongue
(59:05):
muscles okay and the floormuscles of the mouth, so she was
missing all of that okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (59:13):
Did they mention anything other than what they
weren't missing, like in termsof this seems normal no, okay,
no I'm just curious, becauseit's like I get what they're
stating there, obviously, but Idon't know, I'm never so what's
weird is that there is a highlack of detail in the autopsy
(59:38):
compared to other autopsies okay.
Speaker 2 (59:41):
Okay, there is no clear explanation for the
vagueness which only fuels inour speculation, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (59:51):
Her stomach contained 100 grams of dark brown mucosal
substance.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Which is usually said as coagulated blood.
Yep and this interpretedInteresting as a sign of her
heart was still beating when thetongue was removed.
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Oh, so she was still alive.
Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
This is speculation.
Obviously it is not proven, butspeculation no but obviously
speculation.
Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
They think she was alive when her okay yes, so much
like our conversation about howyou can tell that a branch is
broken or cut.
Yeah, you can probably tell ifa tongue is cut or ripped out.
Yeah, exactly, for sure forsure, yeah, just for fun so just
(01:00:42):
for funsies.
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Her official cause of death was listed as hemorrhage
to the right atrium of the heart.
Okay, by multiple fracturedribs and severe internal
bleeding.
Sure, no external wounds.
That's none.
That's so weird.
Coroners described the traumaas being hit by a car, yet no
(01:01:08):
soft tissue damage, cuts orabrasions how?
Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
how hard were they hit by the car?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
The thing right like I'm just saying because like
cause that like no.
Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Anyways, I'll say in terms of this yes dubonina would
have died with that injury yeahwithin 10 to 20 minutes after
the initial trauma oh, it wouldhave been quick, it would have
been, very fast.
Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Okay, yeah, fair enough probably very slow for
her well, yeah, yeah, you're notin the grand scheme but overall
overall her so much yeah, sosemion zolotary off, okay, okay
if you'd like.
Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Yeah, you've got that reference photo now.
Yeah, so semion had similarinjuries as ludamina Yep, yep,
yep.
Okay, yep, he had broken ribstwo, three, four, five and six,
on the right side only.
Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
So basically, that's so weird that it was on one side
.
Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Yeah, she was on both sides, he was on one side.
Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Seven and one and seven Is that.
Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
So it would be like something hit potentially hit
her directly, right?
Yes, it seems that way yeahsomething, uh, or he turned to
the side yeah, he took it on theside.
Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
If she was forward and he was turning to the side
and they both got hit, it wouldjust be his side.
Her front correct makes totalsense yeah so he had
hemorrhaging into the cardiacmuscle.
None of the soft tissue wasdamaged.
Okay, he also had missingeyeballs animals like to eat yes
(01:02:55):
, they like soft parts yeah,there are foxes.
Yeah, reindeer, voles squirrels, sure.
Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
So yeah, potentially a lot of different wildlife.
Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Yeah, honey badgers these wounds are very similar to
the type of trauma that resultsfrom a shock or a bomb.
Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Really.
Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
I mean I'd like to disagree but okay.
We'll talk about theories.
Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
We'll talk about it.
Both Zolotaryov and Dubominahad an interesting pattern of
injuries.
They were both similar indirection and force, despite
their shape, their height, theirbody composition.
And also, with Zolotaryov,Semyon Zolotaryov he most likely
(01:03:50):
did not die of the cold.
Oh, he was well-dressed and hehad burka shoes.
Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
What are burka shoes?
Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
They're just like really insulated-type boots that
are so pretty in russia.
Okay, um, he also was foundwith a camera around his neck.
Now, what's weird?
Yuri yudin, the one who turnedback yeah he said that there
were only four cameras and thiswould be number five, he did not
(01:04:20):
know that this one existed.
Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Well, I mean, it's possible, he just didn't know.
It's possible, he just didn't.
It doesn't seem like he's lying.
Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
You're operating as a group right.
So you know, there's a couplecameras floating around if you
hit that perfect photo op.
But I mean, maybe they all lookthe same.
Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
I mean very possible.
Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
Maybe they're all just atypical black cameras, who
knows?
Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Right but it just seems weird that I don't know
what sucks is.
The melting water around hisbody damaged the film.
Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Of course, and we're sure of that right Because no
one would lie about that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
No, Now speaking of lying, we of never had
photographing evidence thatwe've never hit speaking of yeah
, never never, apparently healso had a pen and paper in his
hand at the time of death.
Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Really, one of the rescuers recalled that colonel
or t off or t of cough, sorry, Idon't know.
He grabbed the notepad, lookedat it, cursed and said, cursed,
dropped a cheese ball I droppeda cheese ball he said quote.
He's written nothing, end quoteso to this day, he seems to
(01:05:40):
have been the only person tohave seen this notebook, and it
was never filed into evidence.
Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
So basically, it's your say.
How is that possible, though?
Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
That makes no fucking sense it doesn't.
So the question is was it blank?
No one can account for that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
No, because no one's seen it but him.
Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Is it blank because it was actually blank, or did
the elements wash it away?
Like you're writing with afucking pencil, right?
Right so could be that it wasexposed to sun, the paper
degraded.
It was two months, quality oflead in russia, 1959.
So there's a lot of variablesthere, right?
(01:06:21):
No?
100, it just seems really odd,but it's interesting to me that
someone experienced somethingright at the point they are
about to die and is like I needto write this.
The fuck down I don't think thatit's like uh, I'm leaving a
(01:06:43):
letter for my loved ones.
This is like my final memoirright, right 100 this is like,
uh, I need to leave a clue aboutsomething and this is fucking
highly important.
Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
So the fact that it is not in evidence of any kind
or documented is interesting tome yeah, because in essence, he
was trying to find a way for itto live past exactly this time.
So yeah, that's strange.
Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Yeah, I get that okay , so the next person found in
this ravine was alexanderkolevatov okay okay, he was 24.
His clothing was alsoradioactive.
His upper torso was protectedby a sleeveless shirt, a
long-sleeved shirt, sweaterfleece, sweater ski jacket, but
(01:07:32):
it was unzipped.
Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
His ski jacket was damaged.
He had a big hole on the leftsleeve with burnt edges.
Okay, his right sleeve was alsodamaged and several tears were
found.
His jacket was unbuttoned andunzipped.
Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
He had woolen socks, no shoes.
He had a broken nose Okay,broken nose, okay.
And in this, this is where oneof those like weird things on
the same website doesn't makesense yeah on dietlovepasscom,
it said that he had a deformedneck and another part of the
(01:08:16):
website same website it said hehad a snapped neck deformed neck
I feel like that could mean avisible deformity.
Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
I mean it very well which could be a snapped neck.
Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Yes, so deformed is a little bit more generic snapped
is a little bit more specific,but it's just kind of it's odd.
So he also had an open woundbehind his ear, a, a three by
point or, excuse me, a three byone point five centimeter wound,
yep.
His autopsy was also lacking aton of details from the I'm
(01:08:53):
shocked.
Are you Lastly?
Not at all.
Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
Not at all.
Skeptical, bitch over here.
Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Lastly, we have Nikolai Sobobrignol.
Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
It was suggested that he and Zolotaryov might have
been outside the tent at thetime.
The whatever fucking happenedhappened.
Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
The time of the event , it was suggested that they
both had to go pee, and sothat's why they were so well
dressed compared to the othersthat they were outside peeing.
But both of them were muchbetter prepared than the rest of
the group.
They both wore hand-mittenwoolen socks and a pair of felt
boots Felt boots.
(01:09:37):
Weird Thibaut Brignol had adeep, depressed,
multi-splintered fracture in hisskull.
Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
The medical examiner said these theories would not
have been the result of Nicolaysimply falling from the level of
his own height, but falling andhitting his head at a deeper,
deeper depth.
So this kind of injury couldhave only occurred if he had
been thrown into the air, sure,and his head hit against the
rocks okay yeah, lack of damageto the soft tissue showed that
(01:10:12):
he could not have been hit bysomeone with a rock by someone's
hand well, right, I mean, lookat it okay this kind of trauma
could have occurred if ThibautBrignol had been thrown and
fallen and hit his head againstrocks, ice, etc.
by the gust of a strong wind.
Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Right.
Like a 75 mile an hour wind, Iwould say so Give or take, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
He probably would have had a severe concussion and
could have only had shown signsof life for about two to three
hours before death.
Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Again probably felt like fucking years for him.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
No.
Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
I mean fuck.
I think at that point you'dprobably be limited in your
motor function.
Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Yeah Right, everything you can't move and
you're freezing.
Yep so this is where the factsend and then next is where the
theories start, fuck yeah whatscared the hikers so much that
(01:11:15):
they had to cut themselves outof the tent?
And this is pure speculationand clearly it's, it's aliens,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
And walk Radioactivity Walk single file
calmly down the hill.
Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Do we know they were calmly or they just walk?
Single file.
Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Question about the footprints.
Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Yeah, it's about the footprints, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Like seriously I don't know, I mean forensic
people can chime in here here,but how do you tell that steps
are like even keeled and calmversus I would say if you're
running, you're dragging yourfeet these are larger stride
steps, yeah these are mostclearly steps.
Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
No, I get that.
However, there can bevariations and I would assume so
how?
How do you know?
Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
But all of them.
Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
It might be like everybody's in a fucking panic,
but we need to remain calm.
Situation Like we don't knowthe speed they're walking, but
it could be calmly right.
Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
So, Yep.
There's no signs of struggle.
Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
There's no like hardcore external injury, just
minor abrasions there's not likeanimal activity, there's not
like a visible animal attack.
Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
No, no there's no watch right, there's no claw
marks, there's no bite marks,there's nothing it's a hundred
percent yeti, yeah, um the thething is, though, obviously
there's eyes and tongue, andwhatever we're missing Very,
very, very well could have beenan animal.
Because they don't know better.
(01:12:49):
They're like ooh.
Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Delicious snack.
Oh yeah, eyeballs, they're upthere for survival as well, I'm
fucking hungry.
Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
That's like gold in the desert, you know?
Water in the desert, yeah, andpeople don't want to blame it on
animals because it's notsomeone to blame, it's not a
malicious thing.
It's, it's not malicious it'sjust animals, being animals well
, an animal doesn't hit someonewith the force of 75 miles an
hour and destroy ribs.
Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
No, no, I mean maybe, whereas somebody could be like,
um, let me move you animal, I'm75 miles per hour and I go.
No, they don't fucking know thedifference between 75, 85, 20.
It doesn't matter, they justdon't know.
Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
So I don't know.
So our next episode is going tobe about the theories.
Theories yeah, there's so manyfucking theories, they have 76
theories out there.
Yeah, well, there's so manyfucking theories, they have 76
theories out there, oh my godwe're going to talk about eight
of them maybe, maybe 12 if Ithrow a few but please for the
(01:13:54):
love of god, not 76.
We're not going to talk about76 I think about 76, but that's
fine.
Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
That's how my brain works.
Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Well, Audra, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Yes, we will resume with our theories with Audra and
Bradley, as always.
Cheers, I've got an empty beer.
I don't.
Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
My mom was empty.
Cheers, audra, you're notdrinking, but cheers nonetheless
, and thank you for being hereand this has been fun.
And let's get into some fuckingtheories.
Hell yeah, Welp, I suppose.
All right, buffoons, that's itfor today's episode.
Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Buckle up, because we've got another historical
adventure waiting for you.
Next time Feeling hungry formore buffoonery, or maybe you
have a burning question or awild historical theory for us to
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