Textbook Labaz: Dyatlov Pass Incident Part 1

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Oh, hey, there oh hey , there.
How are you?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I'm good.
How are you?
I'm very warm.
Yes, we're very warm and we'revery buffoons, because we're the
history buffoons.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
And I am Kate, and I am.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Kate and I am Bradley .

Speaker 1 (00:27):
And we have a very big story.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Long story from what I'm told.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Couple of episodes long, potentially, potentially a
couple episodes long.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Very long and in depth.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yes, I spent a little over a month Working on this
one, this, yeah, reading booksand listening to podcasts and
just doing.
You're doing your due diligenceyes, because it's very, very,
very in depth why does it haveto be so warm?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
so we have um a special guest on our podcast
today, our first time everhaving one so we have um a
special guest on our podcasttoday our first time ever having
one, so we're super excited, Iknow so don't kill us, don't
kill us what?

Speaker 4 (01:17):
this is audra, that introduction.
You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
This is this is audra .
She is a co-worker of mine.
We've've worked together foralmost three years.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, three yearsyeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Welcome, audra, thank you.
Thank you for doing this, thankyou for having me.
This is an episode that you'revery excited about.
I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yes, yeah, so I was not going to do this topic until
she was like but I love it, I'mlike well, I kind of do too.
I really like this story aswell.
So yeah, let's fucking do thisshit.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Well, and we've been wanting to have a guest person
on our podcast and we haven'treally been able to, I guess,
and this was a perfect excuse tohave one since uh, you know why
not so yeah, um, so we aregoing.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
So actually, bradley knows what we're going to talk
about today I do a little bit.
I got the the cliff notes, ifyou will so if you recall, on
our conversation episode ourlatest conversation episode, we
mentioned that we were going topotentially have a guest on our
podcast soon and we were goingto talk about the Dyatlov Pass

(02:32):
incident, which is today.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
That is happening right now.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
So I sent Bradley a very bare-bones podcast episode.
I'm not going to shout out theepisode because it wasn't all
that great on purpose.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
It was fine.
I had some issues with it.
It did raise a question for methat I will ask when the time is
right.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
So he knows the very bare bones of the Dyatlov Pass
incident in preparation fortoday, just so he's not
completely like out of the loopwell, we figured, since we have
a guest on our episode, thatwe're going to uh make it.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
So I'm not just like you're not, I don't want you to
teach me, and then like, haveaudra just sit there, kind of
thing.
So we want her I wouldn't allowthat well, no, that's not my
point, but we want her insightobviously.
But I don't want to just be inthe dark with it, so I can
actually fucking interact and belike, oh okay so you know so
the diet love pass incident umtakes place in the ural

(03:34):
mountains in russia 1959.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yes, and look at me, go february and I learned some
shit for that reason oh wecreated white Russians.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Because you know Russian.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
And we're white.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Why do you have to bring race into it, fucking shit
, you can't just ask people whythey're white you can't just ask
people Do you know what moviethat's from Bradley?
What From?

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Mean Girls.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
No, you know, I don't know that movie very well, oh
my god, karen, you can't justask people why they're white.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
It's one of the best quotable movies out there,
absolutely.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
I have seen it probably once or twice in my
life holy vodka it is two ounces.
Really.
That doesn't taste strong atall.
Did you put vodka in mine?
Do you want mine?
I mean, I'll drink yours ifyou're not going to drink it.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
I'm not a liquor person.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
I happen to be.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
This is very strong Two ounces plus one ounce of
heavy cream, and one ounce-ishKind of a one ounce of heavy
cream and lots of ice and I havea cream one ounce of heavy
cream and bailey's on top andwhat I say you said heavy cream
twice, she literally juststarted drinking.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
That that's the funny part.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
You think she'd have five of these in her I'm still
thinking of creamy dairy treats,and that's a no for me.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Creamy dairy treats?

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, no what the fuck is ice cream, creamy dairy
treats?

Speaker 4 (05:13):
It's a creamy dairy treat, not one that you shake.
That's the part that's got meOkay, but there are shakes.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Do you not want to?

Speaker 1 (05:24):
drink that?
I think I want more Baileysthan half.
Do you not want to drink that?
I think I want more.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Baileys than half.
Do you not want to drink that?

Speaker 1 (05:28):
No, I'm going to drink it.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
All right, I mean, I would gladly take it.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
It's okay, I have a Modelo as a backup.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
But my point is, I would gladly take it.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
I know, but you're not going to take it.
But I am going to drink myBaileys also.
I'm going to eat it.
How my bad is.
Also, how much have you had?

Speaker 2 (05:44):
to drink today.
You said you just started that.
Holy shit.
I think she's been taking swigsoff the bottle okay playing the
trumpet.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Exactly, there we go oh yeah, tell them about your
trumpet oh, that's a segway.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Yeah, oh, that's a segue.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
You just put your lips on it and you blow.
Wow, it's got three buttonsokay.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
So I was telling bradley that I wanted a white
russian.
He goes oh, I've got vodka athome.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yes, in the shape of a trumpet and one girl could say
no to that.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Well, right.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
I didn't have to buy it, so it's a bottle of.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
I don't even know what brand.
It says jazz on it.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
I did catch that.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, jazz I saw that .

Speaker 3 (06:35):
But I'm not sure what that means to be honest.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
It's a bottle of booze I got years ago from my
buddy, who we used to tradebottles of booze for our
birthday and Christmas, andthat's what he got me one year
and I had never opened it.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Surprisingly, there's not a lot in there.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
No, it's a lot smaller bottle than I thought.
I feel like I got cheated thatyear.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
I mean, it kind of looks like an actual trumpet
size.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
No, it's pretty large Because of the shape of the
trumpet.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
And no, it's pretty large because because of the
shape of the trumpet, how it'sso narrow at the top and then it
bells out it.
There's actually not a lot ofliquid in there fun note.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Uh, my brother who wrote our intro song and well,
outro song used to play thetrumpet, so look at us fucking
bringing it around sure you are,yeah, um so and I do this
weekly with her I feel, likethis would be so bad for my adhd

(07:32):
it can be.
Yeah, I have issues at timesfocusing on what the fuck she's
talking about, and I also make alot of jokes my uh, my chair
squeaky maybe stop doing thatwell I wasn't trying to but I
was like, oh, it's audrey'schair.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
I was like oh and I also make a lot of jokes my
chair's squeaky.
Maybe stop doing that.
Well, I wasn't trying to, but Iwas like, oh, it's Audra's
chair.
I was like, oh, no, that's me,no, that's you.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Yeah, so that'll be fun.
No, I took my meds today, soI'm very even keeled.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Oh, shucks Think what .

Speaker 1 (07:58):
She's not like darn it.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Oh boy, oh boy.
Okay, diet love pass, or dietlove pass, yeah sure which what
is the?

Speaker 1 (08:10):
you don't know what the proper pronunciation is.
I don't, but I did a reallygood job on the names, of
looking at their pronunciationin the podcast you had me listen
to, to just get the the gist ofit.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
They said diet love or whatever.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Right, yeah I've been pronoun, been pronouncing it
Dyatlov, but I've also heard itas Dyatlov.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Or yeah, Dyatlov, Something like that.
I say Dyatlov yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Is that what you know it as?
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
So, oh, so close.
That was supposed to be mine.
Stole it.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Okay, and I was watching her, so it sounded like
it came out of her mouth.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
That's fantastic it's like a really good burp throw,
or ventriloquist so anyways,this is actually kind of, this
is a serious topic so, audra,I'd like to let you know that
most of our stories are fuckingdepressing.
Yeah, it usually deals withpeople dying.

(09:11):
Yeah, like these people.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
That's the kind of history I'm interested in.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, Well then this is right up, your fucking alley,
absolutely.
Your fucking episodes,absolutely.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Okay so is right up your alley.
That's an idiom.
I would say it is yeah, yeah,okay, so, yes.
So the diet love pass incidentis on the more serious side.
It's been covered by books anddocumentaries, podcasts and even
movies have turned like.
People have like, turned thisinto like actual is there a

(09:43):
movie?

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yep.
Really Liberties but yes, mostmovies are.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
That's why they say based on a true story, not like.
This is what fucking happened.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Exactly, there's a video game, oh I didn't know
that which video game?

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Peanut Gallery.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Our Peanut Gallery is samantha, by the way hi,
samantha, I told you about thisthe other day.
Um tales beyond the tomb.
It's called, uh like white outwhite.
Was I there for thatconversation?

Speaker 4 (10:18):
it was over text, so I would assume so.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
so no, that doesn't matter for her, that's totally
fair.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
But Tales Beyond the Tomb.
I think it's called WhiteSurvival.
They have four episodes ofTales Beyond the Tomb.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yes, I do remember that, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
She's saying that they're all based off of
different true crime storieswith serial killers.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Oh nice, Really yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Wait, which serial killers.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Feature episode.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Bring me back for all the serial killers.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
But their fourth episode is white survival.
It's based off dialogue facts.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Okay, interesting.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Very odd.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, I did not know that and I'm going to play it,
yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Fair enough.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
So I would say 98% of my information has come from
the website dietlovepasscom, andit is funded and created by the
Diet Love Foundation.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Right.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Okay, so this is all very up-to-date information,
facts, um, but there are acouple things that are a little
confusing, and I will kind ofpoint that out as we get to them
, because there's a couplethings that are like
contradictory and what they say.
Okay, um, but um, essentiallythis, this uh story is about a

(11:41):
group of nine very, veryexperienced hikers.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Isn't it technically a story about 10?

Speaker 1 (11:48):
first, A story about 10.
Very very.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
I mean, I'm not wrong , you're not?

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Very, very experienced hikers Right.
They hike as a hobby and theyhike in very.
Yes, Bradley.
He raised his hand for thosewho are not watching the video
how are they this experience athow young most of them are?

Speaker 4 (12:12):
this was 59 russia so like you weren't a dummy, just
like walking around.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I get that but and I I tried to like displace myself
from when I was 23 because thatseemed to be the.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
It was what 20 to 23, and there was a 38 year old was
the oldest one but, most ofthem were in that early 20s
range like, and they were alllike fuck beyond fucking smart,
like, right.
So smart, crazy experience,crazy knowledge base of things,
sure, but that, just that juststruck me as like holy fuck.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
They were only like 20 to 23 most of them again and
I'm like I I understand it was adifferent time, for when I grew
up.
Now you know, but holy shitthat's before television, right?

Speaker 4 (12:53):
well, yeah, because you actually you actually got
out and did shit right, youwould like go on a category
three.
Yeah, random hike in winter infebruary in russia, right?

Speaker 2 (13:04):
for fun, for fun for experience for bragging rights
yeah no, that that is.
Uh, I just thought that wasfucking wild learning their age,
because again, I don't know,before this was all brought up
for this, I never fucking heardof this fun fact so most of them
were smokers too, and they quitsmoking to do this hike oh shit

(13:28):
, really which

Speaker 1 (13:29):
would piss me off beyond fucking belief, like but
okay, so like I want to get intothe meat of this, okay, but
just to like, just to likeclarify.
There was one person who hadcigarettes on their body, oh,
suggesting perhaps he didn'tactually take that oath of not

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smoking.
Anyway, so these 10 hikers,incredibly experienced, and this
group was arranged by23-year-old Igor Dyatlov.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
So is that why they named it after.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yes, Because he's the one who organized this.
He was the organizer.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
So here's my question that I came up with, that you
came up with, from listening tothat one earlier today.
What was it called before that?

Speaker 1 (14:16):
mountain.
Well see, there wasn't a pass,a pass that was named after him,
unless there was an indigenoustribe name, which we'll get into
that tribe but, otherwise themountain is known as 1079 what
does that have anything to dowith?
They just named it 1079.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
That's the coordinates, I believe is the
background of it.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
I'd say that's a pretty lackluster fucking name.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
I think that's the coordinates because I was just
curious.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Obviously, igor Dyatlov.
What was it called before?

Speaker 1 (14:49):
yeah, because clearly before 59 it was called
something else, so yeah, so theywanted to hike um in the
northern part of the uralmountains, which it's a mountain
range that is technically inlike the siberian portion of
russia.
What's that called uralmountains?
No siberia there.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
It is because you said siberian siberian tomato,
tomato I mean siberian you putthe wrong emphasis in the wrong
syllable perfect okay, oh, Idon't know.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
I just said fucking.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
View from the top people wrong syllable Perfect,
okay, name that movie.
Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
I just said it Fucking View.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
From.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
The Top people.
What's View From the Top?

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Mike Myers.
He says that in View From theTop.
Mike Myers, Gwyneth Paltrow.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
I like how she says Mike Myers and like oh duh,
austin Powers, yeah right, Iknow who he is.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Oh okay, powers.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah right, I'm not, I know who he is, but just
because you don't know who mikemyers is, so my brain goes to
austin fucking powers, not fromall you're right from the top
yeah, oh yeah, you from the topgot it seriously okay, so to
recap are we done talking aboutmike myers?

Speaker 1 (15:58):
yes, okay, okay.
So the group of 9 slash 10never returned from their
campsite.
Okay, oh, you're not trickinganybody, she's absolutely
hitting her vape on.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
I'm trying not to do noise.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
No, that's okay, you can hit your vape, it's fine.
Yeah, vape it up.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yep.
So upon further investigationof these, this abandoned
campsite and their campsite indisarray, it was discovered that
the hikers had fled theircampsite in the middle of the
night, correct?
Leaving behind all of theirwarm clothing and equipment,

(16:40):
right?
Okay, so several of the hikers,all of the hikers.
I don't know why it saysseveral, all of the hikers.
I don't know why it saysseveral, all of the hikers.
I don't know, you wrote it Werefound dead.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Right.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
With severe injuries and others with no visible
injuries at all.
Right.
So the cause of their deathsremain a mystery to this day,
and that is why it is so popularin today's world Because we
have technology now.
We can try to understand nowwhy something might have

(17:10):
happened, and we still have noidea.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
I think people just like to go to the mysterious,
though, and it's like it'sunexplainable because no one
else was there and then theyjust found these nine people
dead.
So because of that they're likewhat could have happened?
And I know we're going to getinto theories theories later, so
we won't talk about that now.
But, um, I think that's justwhat fascinates people and since
that's why especially all whitewomen like true crime shit, so

(17:36):
so I'm not wrong.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
I feel attacked so in january 1955 a group was formed
by igor Dyatlov and they wereof nine other young hikers from
the Ural Polytechnic Instituteor the UPI.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Oh yeah, upi, I know that Do you.
Not at all.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
They set out to earn their grade three hiking
certificate.
Set out to earn their gradethree hiking certificate.
Okay, at this time in russiathat is the highest grade of
hiking that they couldaccomplish so I'm guessing they
never got that certificate nowell, I mean they had to
complete a rigorous multi-daytrek over 300 kilometers, which

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is about 186 miles holy shit.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Harsh terrain, midwinter, using only what they
could carry well, right, yeah,that's wild 186 miles a third of
those miles had to be inchallenging terrain I mean it's
siberia or siberia, whicheverone you want to say, but holy
fuck, isn't it all challenging?
I would think so.
I mean from's siberia orsiberia, whichever one you want
to say, but holy fuck, isn't itall challenging, I would think

(18:46):
so.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
I mean from our point of view absolutely, especially
in february holy fuck so theduration of the trip was to be
about 16 days, with no fewerthan eight of those days spent
in uninhabited regions okay andat least six nights spent in a
tent, so like there were likecheckpoints that they had to

(19:08):
accomplish in order to get thiscertification I guess that makes
sense though so with a gradethree certification, it would
allow them to teach others theircraft as masters of sport
masters of sport and it was adistinction that igor and his
group badly wanted.
And because of this certificate,there's this desire for this

(19:31):
certificate they had, they allbrought cameras, they all
brought diaries right todocument didn't they have?

Speaker 2 (19:39):
did I hear right?
They had a joint diary thatthey all?
Yes yeah wrote in or whatever.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yes, yes, so the route was designed to go through
the Ural Mountains in northernSverdlovsk.
Sverdlovsk.
Say it more Russian NopeSverdlovsk Oblast.
There's a lot of Russian inhere.

(20:04):
Why is that?
Because they're russian.
Jesus christ, when I have hadtoo much to drink, which you
will not see today, she's barelyhad anything to drink when I've
had too much to drink, natashacomes out.
Oh dear natasha, russian, okay.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Romanoff just saying otherwise known as Black Widow
this is not a Marvel show couldbe.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Sign us up, disney the Ural Mountains in northern
Verlas Oblast, was aiming toreach Otorten Mountain.
Otorten Mountain, can you sayit one more fucking time?
Oh, torton jesus christ oh,torton mountain translates to

(20:52):
mountain of the dead, don't?

Speaker 4 (20:54):
go there, oh, as if it had to be any worse, like,
yeah, it's fucking february, gothere in russia.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
I wouldn't have went there anyways.
Well, right, because it'sfebruary, and then it says don't
go there.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
I mean, I wouldn't have went there anyways.
Well, right, because it'sfebruary.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
And then it says don't go there, yeah so it was
translated from the mansilanguage and mansi are the local
tribes, indigenous people yes,okay.
So lots of big ominousforeshadowing energy, right I
mean.
But these hikers, they, theyfucking knew what they were
doing.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Well, they, were accomplished like you said.
So yes, they were going forthird grade three grade three
thank you so obviously they'vehad grade one and two, yes, so I
mean I can't imagine.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
I'm sure this is harder, but and they had to work
their way up to grade one andthen work their way up to
achieve grade two.
Yeah, exactly and then nowthey've been working their way
up to grade three, so so they'revery, very accomplished.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
So yeah, it's not like they haven't, it's not like
they.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Ah, fuck one and two, let's go to three boys Plus
they're like young 20-somethingsthat are fucking ambitious and
shit In their prime and shit allthat.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, exactly, ambitious is probably a very
good term because let's go dothis, vodka, vodka.
V term because let's go do this, where I mean vodka vodka,
vodka, vodka.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Okay, so these weren't just like some clueless
tours.
They were really seasoned and II can't like express that
enough, because what happens tothem?
They should have survived,honestly.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
But the actions that they had.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
It makes no sense for how experienced they were.
Okay, so the hikers hadpermission to go on this
mountain.
So the Dyatlov Expedition waspart of a university-sanctioned
sport tourism program, so itwasn't just a group of friends
who wanted to get together.
Okay, they had to submit theirroute plan to the to the ural

(22:50):
polytechnic institute hikingcommittee okay and that included
their duration, approximately16 days.
Their destination was, which is, or torton mountain, the
emergency schedule and returndate, which was February 12th.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
And they left on the 1st.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
No, they left sooner than that.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
So in January.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
They died on February 1st, which we'll get to.
But yes, so they left at theend of January.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Okay, I just always heard February, yeah, okay, yeah
.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
They also had to list the participants and their
qualifications.
Right, they also had to listthe participants and their
qualifications.
And then they had the route mapand then alternative routes,
just in case they had to likePivot.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, pivot, exactly Okay.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
So the trip was supposed to be registered under
the Sverdlovsk Committee ofPhysical.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
What?
How do you say that?

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Sverdlovsk.
I mean, I believe you.
I don't know any of these words.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Spell it.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah, right, oh, we'll be here forever.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
She's got to spell everything I know.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
So it is the Serdlovs Committee of Physical Culture
and Sports.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Which is a branch of the Soviet Ministry of Sport.
Okay, okay, so for a gradethree certification, they needed
this approval and had to provethe difficulty level with all
the data and all the evidence oftheir pictures and their
diaries.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
And also to actually get the category three
achievement.
They were not allowed to bringradios.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Like radios were hard .

Speaker 4 (24:25):
No.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Okay, so that was a stipulation for getting that
certification.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Hard no on outside communication.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Huh, I mean, I guess it makes sense, because if
you're going to be accomplished,you need to do it on your own
kind of thing you need tofucking do it yourself.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
So you can't have like a lifeline essentially.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
That's really fucking unfortunate for these people
because holy shit yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
So caveat, lifeline.
Essentially, that's reallyfucking unfortunate for these
people because holy shit, yeah.
So caveat, oh no, there isevidence, yes, that the final
approval from the severed lostregional committee was either
never submitted.
Wait, what aka?
They never submitted theapplication to be on this
mountain or it was not processedin time, so it was possibly due
to paperwork errors delays.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Cold war.
We were in the middle of a coldfucking war.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
I could be, but the Soviet authorities were kind of
notorious for slow processingtimes, misplacing documents, and
some researchers argue that theDyatlov may have chosen the
start of the trick while waitingfor the final approval,
confident that it would gothrough.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
And that was not uncommon at the time.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Technically, they should have never been on this
technically they weren't yetapproved correct, so to be on it
technically shouldn't have beenon it.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, well, if you want to be technical, I mean
okay, that's why I'm here let'stalk about the hikers there's 10
of them.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Let's talk about the hikers.
To start, yes, we're going tostart first with Igor Dyatlov.
He is 23.
He is the leader.
Yes, he is a fifth-year radioengineering student.
A la smart.
Okay, he's organized.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Five years.
Most people do it in four Okay.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
It was the 50s.
It was a new program.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
I know he had organized multiple long distance
hikes.
He was very reliable.
He was respected.
He was very well liked.
He carried usually on his otherhikes.
This a handmade um shortwaveradio couldn't bring it on this
one which he did not bring on.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
This one so, and he had a camera why would he I, I
guess I'm trying to likerationalize in my brain why
would someone going for likeradio be such an avid hiker and
want to do this?
I don't, I guess it justdoesn't compute it's a.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
It's a.
I mean, I get that, but I mean,why do people collect those
squishmallows?

Speaker 2 (27:12):
It's a hobby.
They're soft, and cuddly andyou can snuggle.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
That's why I know they're nice, aren't they?
I've got a bee.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
My son has.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
You're not a person who collects squishmallowss
going to school for likebricklaying?
Probably Probably not.
So I get the question.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
That's my only thing is like it just I mean I'm not
saying they can't be somethingsomeone does for both of them.
It just seems weird becauselike he's going for radio and
all this stuff and it just asopposed to like something in
nature or like you knowarchaeology, or even take that
fucking, for example, but it'sjust like I don't know.

(27:54):
It just seems weird that they,the he, would be um, I don't
know, I don't want to say a nerd, because he's doing all this
technical stuff with radios, butthen be very nature.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
And again.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
I'm probably thinking of today's brain instead of
back in 59 and whatever, andtechnology was so up and coming.
Well, yeah, just think of whatyou had back in 59 and who knows
what they even had in Russia, Imean I can't tell, can you?

Speaker 1 (28:21):
tell what happened in 59?
.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
I don't know, I probably could.
I was there.
Yeah, he was there.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Fucking.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Kate.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
So I don't remember what I was going to say, so I'm
just going to continue on.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
That tracks I just want to let you know that's a
common occurrence.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
We were talking about him being a radio tinkerer him
being a radio tinkerer?

Speaker 1 (28:49):
yeah, so I think plenty of people who have the
left side of the brain are alsovery right-sided, and I think
nature and being out in natureand, you know, being one with
nature is very right-sided.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
I mean, we kind of do that with COVID right, like
everybody got into fucking birdwatching and like I didn't, I
had to work Same, but you knoweveryone's like fuck, I'm sick
of being inside, it's Russia.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I would have loved to stay inside.
I had to work.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Okay, so one of Igor's interesting protocols for
his hiking trips.
An old hiking buddy of Igor'ssaid quote we had to wash our
feet every night, even thoughsometimes we didn't have a
heater and maybe no hot water inwinter.
You have to be quitestrong-willed man to make others

(29:41):
do it because some peopledidn't want to.
It was quite unusual because noother hikers did anything like
this, only Dyatlov End quote.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
So he just liked to wash his feet a lot.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
He made everybody wash their feet.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Did he have a foot fetish?
We're not going to go there.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
We're not going to go there, but that.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Siri number nine.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
But no.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
This was all a plot to get them out of their socks,
exactly, see, she catches onquick, she knows but this could
be part of a theory do you thinkhe was gonna start an only fans
, jesus christ okay, next we'regoing to talk about zanata colmo
colmo momogorova I want you todo that one more time colmo

(30:32):
gorova you gotta say the firstname too zanata colmo gorova
colmo gorova yes look at me shewas an engineering student.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
She was 22 22.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
All right.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Okay, she has completed many additional hikes,
difficult hikes, including somewith Igor.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Okay, she was once bitten by a viper snake.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
I was going to say twice shy, but all right, what
Nothing?
Do you get the reference?
Of course, Okay, good.
What you said once, bitten, Iwas going to say twice, shy.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
I don't know that one .
It's classic rock and she livesunder a classic rock True true,
true, I do live under a rock,that's classic.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Hey, I see what we all did there.
Okay so Anyways, sorry.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Zaneta was cheerful.
She was warm, brave, very wellliked and also the only woman in
the group who would trek withevery single other one of the
group.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Okay okay, so she's been accomplished with everybody
yes, and apparently yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Um, many of our other hiking companions had like
secret crushes on her.
Oh shit was she, it wasn'tthese were very respectable
students and friends and theynever did anything out of line.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
They were all very.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
They all respected each other very, very well even
if a crush was there.
It was the 50s in russia yeahI'm just saying but she also
carried a diary.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
I mean, it sounds like everybody did.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Almost yes.
So then we have LudmillaDubonina.
She was 20.
She was the youngest.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
That's right.
That's why that one resonated.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
She was very strong-willed.
She was a former Trekphotographer.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
A what?

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Trek.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Star Trek.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Same spelling Trekkie .

Speaker 4 (32:29):
From way back, way back.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
I mean before it was even a thing.
Right, she's like I'm the OGTrekkie.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
She was a student in engineering and economics.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
She was young but incredibly determined.
On a prior expedition she wasshot by an accidental misfire
that's right from a hikingcompanion.
Yeah, in the leg.
Some sources say that she hikedthe rest of her hike and some
sources say she was carried downfor the rest of the hike I'd

(33:00):
like to believe that she hikedit yeah, for sure, absolutely
she's like fuck this shit, I'mgoing at one dirt on it exactly
that's what my dad used toalways tell me so fuck yeah um.
She was a very serious woman um.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
She was outspoken, highly principled and a
communist well, I mean, theywere in russia, I know, but she
was like the communist of thegroup.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Like they said that she like came out of the womb as
a communist, like that's howcommunist she was.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
But can you blame her she?

Speaker 1 (33:35):
she carried the camera, but she was also um one
of the one of the group memberswho most often wrote in her
diary okay, and I don't know ifI'm jumping the gun here.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
They did find some of the diaries correct.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yes, they did okay.
Next we have yuri doroshenko.
He was 21.
Yes, he was another radioengineering student.
He was kind of a bigger guy.
He was strong.
He once fought a bear with ageologist's hammer.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
The most fucking Russia thing you're going to
hear.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
I think so.
No, kidding.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Seriously.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
How's that go?
Seriously, she made a lisphappen all of a sudden.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Sometimes a lisp happens.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
It did that so let's stop that now.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Thank you for that'm sorry, stop that right now.
What?
What kind of bear was it?
Was that not a part of yourresearch?

Speaker 1 (34:34):
for fuck's sake I.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
I have to get her to say that every episode, because
I always ask a question that'snot a part of her research.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
A fucking bear man Well now I'm curious Fucking
Google, that shit.
What kind of bear was it, sam?
What kind?

Speaker 1 (34:50):
of.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
What kind of bear did which Yuri?
Are we talking about Yuri?

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Doroshenko 21.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Is there two Yuris?

Speaker 4 (35:01):
It's a popular name in Dyatlov.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
In Russia.
In Russia, how many Yuristhere's?

Speaker 4 (35:08):
it's a popular name in russia, love in russia, in
russia.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Okay, so just how many yuris?
There's three, there's threeholy fuck.
Let me just just preface thisby saying sam, in the background
, here she is cooking us alldinner tonight and she's she's
hanging on as like a goodsupport group member here.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Fuck, yeah, okay sam, would you be opposed to getting
me another beer?
Probably, just grab two if youare so kind to do it, you don't
have to Just saying Okay.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
While she looks that up.
Yuri Doroshenko was physicallyfearless.
He was impulsive emotionallydriven 21 year old.
Yes, okay and he was previouslyin a relationship with zanada
that's the one that everyone hadcrushes on.
Yes, okay um, but they remaingood friends.
So they're no longer together,but they remained good friends

(36:01):
it was an amicable split yeah,like it really seems like this
is just a really great group ofyoung people okay, so zaneta and
diatlov were actually datingduring this time we do find that
out.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Sorry in her diary no jumping the gun.
No, you're fine.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
No, um, you're right die out love and and um uh
zanada, what was her last name?

Speaker 4 (36:32):
my apologies, because I wanted her to try to say the
name again zanada well done umyes, they were currently dating,
okay, okay I don't know if theytalked about that.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
I want to listen.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, probably not.
You had a very bare-boneson-purpose episode that I sent
you.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
It really was, and again, it was nice to get some
kind of context, but it was verybare-bones and, like I was
telling you, I'm like I feellike they jumped the gun on
continuing their thought.
Yeah, you said that they didn'treally finish their thoughts.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
It seemed like it, but again I could have been
wrong.
Speaking of bear Sam, what kindof bear?
What the?

Speaker 2 (37:09):
shit.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
It just says run in with a bear, okay, a giant bear,
okay.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
So moving on.
So a Russian bear.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
You know, a Russian bear.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Moving on to.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yuri number two.
Yuri number two.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
He actually he kind of okay discrepancies in
information that I have received.
Yes, some say he went by yuri,some say he went by gregory.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
So we're gonna separate the yuri gregory by
saying gregory, yeah, that'sperfect.
Yeah, okay, because I'm notgonna fucking remember yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
So we're gonna say gregory, this is krivonishenko
krivonishenko don't get himconfused with Doroshenko.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
Yes, how could you exactly the?

Speaker 1 (37:47):
last one was Yuri Doroshenko.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
This is Yuri Gregory Krivonishenko oh my god, just
all the Shenkos, all the Yuri'sso many.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yuri's so Gregory Krivonishenko?

Speaker 2 (38:02):
um, okay, so Gregory Krivonishenko was 24 20, so okay
, oh so I was a little off in myage range.
I thought there was like oh,we're not done yet no, I know
that because I know there's a 38year old too that's right, so
but no, I thought it was 20 to23.
Either way, it doesn't, oh okayyeah, so he was.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
He was actually known for kind of being the class
clown.
He um he had some serioushiking chops as well.
He was very, very seasoned um.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
He was a student of construction and hydraulics oh,
that had to be pretty prevalentback in those days because the
hydraulics probably would havebeen pretty yes, because after
he graduated from upi yeah hewent to chivalry, chivalry

(38:55):
chivalry 40 40 like four zerofour zero d40 only hey.
Only Chibbalisk.
Hey, she's bringing it back.
And what does WD stand for?

Speaker 4 (39:07):
I already forgot.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
WD wet.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
Oh water displacement .

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Water displacement, and it was their 40th attempt
Correct.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
My dad taught me that .

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Okay so.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Chilabinsk is a nuclear plant.
Thank you, fun fact.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Nuclear plant.
Fun fact, nuclear plant.
Thank you.
Fun fact, okay, nuclear plant.
Okay, it goes into the theories.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
It goes into the theories well, because some of
them had radiation kravonishenkoworked at a nuclear plant,
right, okay it was like akin tochernobyl because there was an
incident there, correct yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
And I will briefly go over that as well for some
additional context.
Awesome.
So Kravonishenko was also verymusically talented.
He was goofy, always joking thegroup Clown.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
What did he play?
Mandolin, that's right.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
I thought she was going to say trumpet.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Trumpet.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Vodka trumpet.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Next we have Alexander Kalevatov Kalevatov.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Okay, he was also 24.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
He was very methodical and quiet.
Okay, he has a background.
Notice how.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
I also get quiet.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
He has a background in nuclear physics.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Who doesn't?

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Because of why not Just?

Speaker 4 (40:32):
a background not like his specialty.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
He kind of had like an imposing presence.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Is he a big dude?

Speaker 1 (40:40):
In his downtime.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
There it is.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
From studying nuclear physics.
He would love to smoke on anantique pipe.
Who wouldn't?

Speaker 2 (40:49):
like gandalf style.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yeah, nice he was a former tech lab at a top secret
soviet institute okay he wasquiet, serious, well organized,
kind of of the brainy Smurf ofthem all.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Brainy Smurf.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Wow, that's a fucking weird-ass fucking call there.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Look at you go.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
I used to love the fucking Smurfs when I was
growing up.
Actually, one of the firstvideo games I had was a Smurfs
game on the ColecnoVision.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
How nice for you.
Shut the fuck up Back from the50s, exactly clearly, I helped
invent it um, so he's fuckingold so kalevital was very
personal and he did also have adiary or a journal, if you're an
adult and he actually did notshare much of his entries with

(41:44):
other his other hikers, hisother friends.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
He kept it very personal.
I mean, that's the whole point.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Yes, but the majority of these journals diaries are
meant to be proof for theirhiking grade three certification
.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
But isn't that why they had the joint?

Speaker 1 (42:05):
diary yes, that's fair.
Yes, that's fair, that's fairso.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
But you know you're out fucking hiking and you know
trekking through the mountains.
I would imagine you're doingsome personal reflection on fair
why?
The fuck am I doing this?

Speaker 2 (42:21):
what is the meaning of life?
Like you know, it's funny.
Every time I do a podcast withKate I ask why the fuck am I
doing this?
Meaning of life?

Speaker 4 (42:31):
Why do I keep coming out?
Why do I wake up in the morning, exactly?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
No, I 100% agree, though, because you're going to
have some personal reflection,because this is obviously
they're trying to get theircertification, of course, and
whatever.
they're trying to get theircertification, of course, and
whatever, but it's, it's, it's aextremely personal thing, like
to accomplish this because atthat time it's like really
important to these people, yeah,because they want to be able to
grow and whatever and be out innature.

(42:57):
So it's extremely personal aswell.
So I understand why he wouldn'twant to share, yeah, his whole
diary.
Even again, that's why they hadthe, the joint diary, the group
diary, whatever you want tocall it.
So I don't know I just feellike I get it why he wouldn't
want to, yeah, share it.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
So so the next person we have is rustem slobodin
rustem they also call Mm-hmm.
They also called him Rustic.
Who was it With a K?

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Oh, it's Russian, it's Russian, I get it.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
So Slobodin was 23.
Okay, he was very athletic.
He was very fit, very tall andhe was probably not confirmed,
but probably one of the onesthat would ski ahead of others,
like he would be the front ofthe line.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Kind of the scouted out kind of thing.
Yeah, okay, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Kind of pave the way, if you will.
Is that an idiom, pave the way?

Speaker 2 (43:52):
I mean, it is now Sure, that's right, I'm going to
make it so.
Rights and idioms.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
He was a mechanical engineering graduate.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
So he was known for his endurance and speed.
He ran long distance crosscountry and was an avid skier.
He was very friendly,disciplined, enjoyed writing
poetry.
He was also musically giftedand enjoyed playing the mandolin
as well, and he was actuallycalled the group's rich kid.
Rich kid, yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
But so he was a son of affluent university
professors.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Gotcha.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
But they all said Rustic Rustem was as
unpretentious and friendly asthey come.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Oh, so he was the nice guy yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
He was a very nice guy.
Okay, despite his affluentupbringing, sure, he wasn't all
about him.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah, because it's weird that some people who are
brought up in that environmentaren't total douchebags.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Weird yeah.
Next we have Nikolai ThibautBrignol.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Thibaut.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Thibaut Nigbral.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Is that his middle name?

Speaker 1 (45:04):
It was a hyphenated last name.
Oh okay, thibaut Brignol, isthat his middle name?

Speaker 2 (45:06):
It was a hyphenated last name.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Oh, okay, thibaut Brignol, so he was 23.
Okay, he also had a very solidoutdoor record.
He graduated in industrialcivil construction.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
Another dumbass on the trip.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Seriously, oh my gosh , this makes me feel like such a
fucking underachiever.
I've got a degree in management.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
What's a degree I don't even have one of them
Cross room high five.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Holy fuck Same.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
I've got fucking nothing to show for almost 40
years on this planet.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Speak for yourself I'm almost 40 years.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
I'm fucking 45.
Fuck all of you, jesus Christ,sam's over here, like I'm not
even 40.
I'm fucking 45.
Fuck all of you, jesus Christ,sam's over here, like I'm not
even 40.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
I'm only 33.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
33.
I know.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
What a baby 33.
What?
A baby, I remember being 33.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
I don't Okay so.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
I wish, I did.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Okay, so Nikolai Thibault Brignol graduated into
industrial civil construction.
Okay, he was very quiet butvery reliable.
He was handsome and he was ofnoble French lineage.
Apparently that was the thingthey wanted to include in their
description of him.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
No.
So who is he?
What family was he?

Speaker 1 (46:20):
That was not part of my research the Thibault, part
the Thibault.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Oh, the Thibault family.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
I should have put that together, not the Brignoles
, fuck the Brignoles.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Who's ever heard of?

Speaker 3 (46:32):
the.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Brignoles.
Nobody Thibaut though 100%.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Everybody knows the Thibauts.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
What the fuck.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
He was calm under pressure and he was
scientifically minded.
And that is all I have forNikolai.
He has a very short bio, veryshort, not sure why, but he's.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
He has a very short bio, but he's only 23 there's a
20 year old who has a bioheavier than he does okay um.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Next, not quite last, but next we have semyon
Zolotaryov.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Semyon, let's spell that.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
S-E-M-Y-O-N.
Almost like Simon.
It's like their version ofSimon.
S-e-m-y-o-n.
Semyon.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
It just reminds me of Eurotrip.
It's like Mika.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
And Micah.
Yeah, mike, it's Mike.
No, it's mika, it's our versionof michelle yes, yes, exactly,
sorry anyways.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Um.
So have you seen that movie?

Speaker 1 (47:30):
yeah, okay good okay, so semion, he actually went by
sasha, which is a very, verypopular russian nickname for men
is it really?

Speaker 4 (47:39):
yes not as popular as yuri, but yeah yuri is super
popular.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Oh, we're not done with the.
The year is yet.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Oh fuck, more years so sasha zelatoly zolotaryov was
38 so he was the oldest one.
Yes, and some documents havesaid he's 37, so not sure if he
was 37 or 38 throw it all out.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
I know discrepancy he was a late edition I heard that
yes yes and that other one Ilistened to, so why was he a
late edition like he?

Speaker 4 (48:12):
was a late edition and a mandated edition I didn't
read anything about mandatedwhat do you know about that?
So they had planned their tripwithout him, right, and then
they were told this guy's comingwith you.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Oh, okay, is what I know and see I have found
something different.
What I have found was that hewas originally going to hike
with sergey sorgren and hisgroup.
Sergey sorgren had his ownlittle hiking group in this in
the ural mountains, at the sametime as the group, just in a

(48:50):
different area okay and theywere headed further north into
the sub polar urals, but whensorghen's timetable didn't suit
zolotaryov he signed up.
Sorokin introduced him to Igoroh interesting and then the

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timing was perfect for thatsituation, as another hiker that
was originally part of Igor'sgroup his name was Nikolai Popov
had recently dropped out ofIgor's party, and so they kind
of shoveled him in.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
So that's very interesting, there's so many
variations.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
It's very weird.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
Well, my understanding is they were right
before they went up themountain.
They converged on this littletown, and I've heard that as
well.
While they were in this littletown, they kind of happened with
some other like-minded people,right, because he doesn't fit
the bill, he's like the oldestone.

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He's like kind of the weirduncle.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
He was in the military.

Speaker 4 (49:59):
Okay, but like you hike, and I fuck with that.
So like, just come on with us.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Like what's one more.
You know, it does seem kind ofodd just because, like all these
young kids, again 20 to 24, andthen all of a sudden you had a
38 year old.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
It seems weird, the 38 year old becomes part of a
theory.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
Yes, right, yes, because he's the weird uncle.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Well, duh so just to quickly put in a little tidbit
yeah if it's the way of thatother hiker dropping out of
igor's for um what's his name?
Zolotario have to come in.
Um this nikolay popov.
Um, he dropped out of thehikers group even before they

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initially started.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
Okay, so so, while they were in this, the
background on some of thestories I've read, yeah, when
they are in this little town andthey kind of cross paths, so to
speak, um, what's his name?

Speaker 1 (51:00):
zolotaria, zolotaria, the 38 year old, I just you
know they all kind of blendtogether and a big rushing
dribble in my brain Yuri, yuri,yuri, yuri, exactly I get it but
.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
I do know Zaneta and Dubinia.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Fair enough.
Okay, I remember the ladies andIgor and Dialog, and Dialog.
Yeah, how can you not know,igor Fuck.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
But while they're in this little town I the
background story to that, youknow he falls out with his group
because from my understandingthey just didn't want to do that
long of a thing and he's likelingering around this little
town, this little mountain,trying to find somebody to being

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like I don't want to go and Iwant to push on, and that's how
they kind of connected andthey're like we're about to do
this 16-day crazy-ass shit, ifyou want to catch.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, why don't you hop on, man we?

Speaker 4 (51:51):
got room for one more yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
I've heard that it's so bizarre.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Interesting.
It is kind of a weird addition.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
It's a weird addition and it's very weird that
there's little inconsistenciesbetween stories.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yeah, because, like you said they, met at this town.
It was mandated, they met atthis town.
I mean, what is it?
It's hard to say.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
It's just quite strange that it is kind of weird
that way Also, if I'm chasingthis big of a goal right, yeah,
right right.
And I'm doing this kind ofpersonal reflection bit with
myself.
Yeah, I don't want someone Idon't know like coming into the
group.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
I'm going to be extremely sketchy about that
100% yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
That's like nope.
This is my bubble of people.
Get the fuck out of my bubble.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
I don't know you.
And wasn't it Zanata who hadlike, I don't want to watch you
wash your feet like wasn't itzenita you had like history of
all of them yeah so like havingthis newcomer come in and she's
like I've had experience withall of these hikers but you are
an outsider.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Well, sounds like she did have some experience with
those hikers but, but she getsaround, they no she just kidding
.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Very respectful they were all very respectful, and
they did bring him in as one oftheir own no, yeah, it's just.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
It's weird to have some discrepancies in how he
joined up.
Yeah, is I guess all I'm going.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Well, I think, and it could be too, you know so one
falls out of your party.
Yeah, I don't know if it speaksto.
To get the category three, youhave to have x amount of people
complete this, that's a goodpoint, because, yeah, I don't
know that.
That just looks better for you,right like you're able to just

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pick one up on the way and youknow, you don't know their
background, you don't know whatthey can contribute to your
group, but hey, we found thisguy along the way and let's
bring him with.
We dragged him up the fuckingmountain so great and that's a
good point.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah, that's a good point okay, last person of the
group.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Yes, yuri what another yuri?

Speaker 1 (54:03):
this is shocker.
This is is Yuri Yudin.
He's 21.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Yudin.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
He is a student of geology and engineering, of
course, so he suffered fromlifelong sciatica.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
This is the one that turned back.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Yes, right back yes, right, he suffered from lifelong
sciatica, which is aninflammation of the low nerve
low sciatica or lumbar nerve andrheumatism, and he had a heart
condition as well, which, asdoing like additional research
that really the only thing thatpopped up multiple times was the

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sciatica.
Yeah, but other sources sayheart condition and rheumatism.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Yeah, because I think they only mentioned in that one
that you sent me was oh fuck,that was a table the sciatica,
Sciatica.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Yeah, he also had supposedly chronic knee pain and
back pain.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
And supposedly he was the one that carried the
medicine kit.
They're like here you go, youneed it.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
the most, so you get access to what's the most.
This is all your shit, justcarry it yourself.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
These are all your meds.
Here you go.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Please tell me he, before he turned back, he gave
them to me, I'm sure he did.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
Well, I mean, who's around to tell?

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Yeah of them.
I'm sure he did okay.
Well, I mean, who's around totell yeah, touche, okay?
So to kind of help spread theuh, the connections here.
Um, he did leave the expeditionon january 28th due to back
pain in sciatica.
Yeah it's flaring up um, andand also his knee and joint pain
.
Okay, so, oh shit.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
Which in negative whatever is, they put it all in
Celsius because it's Russia.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
So whatever that equates to in theory, I have
tried to change that?

Speaker 4 (55:58):
Can't think about it.
It's fucking cold Like youcan't imagine.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Any of those health conditions are going to be good
Fuck no, and then as physical ashe has to be.
Yeah, as well right and alsonot having the comfort of normal
probably normal food day in andday out, right, yeah normal
water, day in and day out right,yeah so, um so, just to kind of

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reiterate, these people arevery smart and very experienced
with hiking, hiking in cold.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Well, I mean, you are in Russia, in Siberia.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
One of their party fought a fucking bear.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
I mean and bit by a viper snake Shot in the leg
Bullet.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
We don't know what kind of bear, but he fought a
bear.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
He fought a Russian bear, okay.
I think, I turned a littleSpanish there at the end.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
I know I was like me gusta cerveza.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
So let's talk a little bit about the terrain
that they experienced.
They were trekking through thenorthern Ural Mountains, which
is rugged, it's remote, it'scovered in dense forest and
steep slopes, Right For the mostpart.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
For the most part, that's pretty much how I
envision all of Russia.
It's fair.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
So their target was Ortorten Mountain.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Ortorten.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Which was a bald mountain, it had no hair.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
It had no hair.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
It had no trees.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Oh, that too.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
I have a bald mountain.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
You sure do.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
You sure do.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Good, yes, can confirm Gold star.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
Look away.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Don't look at her.
Don't look away, don't look ather.
Okay, so the the mountain waswell above the tree line and
some considered the local tribesthey think the local tribes of
the area considered thismountain sacred.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Right, okay, do you have an elevation?
Yes, do you have an elevation?

Speaker 1 (58:16):
I don't have an elevation of Orch Horton
Mountain.
I have an elevation of wherethey camped on Orch Horton
Mountain.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
That works Okay, okay .

Speaker 1 (58:23):
And I have three sentences from now.
So she's so proud of herself.
I really am.
But so the mansi population,which is the indigenous tribe on
this mountain, correct, doesnot recommend does not recommend
camping on this mountain.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Well, I mean, who would?

Speaker 1 (58:44):
No one now.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Exactly 100%, nobody.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
So the area that they pitch their tent, the final
camp, is called Kolat Sikl SiklCycle Cycle.
I don't know, it's Russian itall is Sikl Cycle, sikl Cycle,
sikl Cycle, sikl Cycle.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Anemia cycle cycle cycle, cycle cycle cycle cycle
anemia it it translates to deadmountain.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Yes, that's what I heard.
That's what?

Speaker 4 (59:17):
but dead mountain is in reference to nothing really
is growing up there.
Yes, it's still one of those,like it's very ominous yeah, of
course it's dead mountain.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Don't come here right , okay, so how tall is it?

Speaker 4 (59:28):
the elevation is 3,763 feet that is it 3,750 feet
mount everest, though like noteven close not even close.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Oh, no, no, not even close.
So.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
I like to go to Colorado a lot, that's all right
.
I like to go to Colorado a lotand my favorite mountain to go
up is Mount Evans.
It's by Idaho Springs.
It's over 14,000 feet.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Oh, so this isn't shit.
No, this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
It is not what you call a steep mountain, despite
what I just said the hillyterrain, yeah, when I said that
the Ural Mountains were steep,this one particularly was not
that steep.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Got it.
So there's other peaks andstuff within this mountain range
?

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Oh yeah, it's a mountain range, yeah, gotcha.
So they set up camp on theeastern slope at a height of
1,079 meters, which equals 3,540feet.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Okay, so that's where they set camp.
Okay 3,540 feet.
Okay, so, about 300 metersbelow the mountain's peak Right,
that's where they were.
Okay, okay, so about 300 metersbelow the mountain's peak Right
.
That's where they were, okay.
Okay, it is known for high windexposure and no natural cover.
There's no forest.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Well, it's barren, because nothing grows there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
It's bald, yes, it's literally bald.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
It's bald Like my dog , yeah, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
I mean, I'm not wrong there it is no you're not there
, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Okay, oh dear, why did they camp there?

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
I don't know, because they're on a slope.
Why would they do that?
They?

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
were experienced, they knew better than to camp in
the open on a slope during asnowstorm, which is what
happened that night.
Okay, supposedly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Supposedly that is a huge, supposedly.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
The forest was almost a mile, 1.5 kilometers like a
.9 mile.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Downhill, where trees would have offered shelter for
them, which?

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
would have been ideal .

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
So why Possible reasons?
They got off course due to poorvisibility in the snowstorm and
they couldn't find the forestline in the snow Right.
Igor Dyatlov may have decidedto camp on the slope for
practice for emergencies.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
That sounds like shitty practice.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
It's just to add to that hiker grade three
certification.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
I get that, but fuck that man they got a late start,
did they not?
I don't recall I is that partof?
It.
I've heard some background thatthey got a late start that day.
Um, they started a little bitlater than they should have
possible.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
I wrote it later in my notes and I just don't
remember, because I've looked atthis for a month yeah, it's
fair, but they got a late startchicken wing they should have
like been at a different point.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
Um, it got dark and they're like we're done.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Yeah this is not safe .
This is where we are, we got.
We can't see where we're goinganymore, especially need to set
up camp.
Yeah, this is not safe.
This is where we are.
We got to set up.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
We can't see where we're going anymore.
Well, especially.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Like what did I hear?
Like at some points it wasnegative 40.
And, like they said, it doesn'tmatter if it's Celsius or
Fahrenheit, because it crossesover at that point.
So I mean, it's fuckingterrible.
You know, I like cold Me too,Like this is fucking warm.
I'm really excited to not bethis warm soon.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
Anyways, and my hands are like numb.
And I'm wearing thermalleggings.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Well, yeah, that will do it.
Well, either way, it's fine.
So it's like I like cold, butholy fuck, that's cold.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
I'm just a cold girl.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
She's wearing a thermal leg.
In a cold world, it's like endof June, are you cold?

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Yeah, my hands are cold, Holy fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
If I could reach out and let you warm up on my arm.
I'm fucking dying.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Same.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Yeah, jesus Christ, I'm going to unroll my sleeve up
on my arm.
I'm fucking dying same.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Yeah, jesus christ, I feel like sam needs to, like I
am get into like the camera view, just be like hey, I am here go
ahead everybody hey, I'm here,I exist, our beer wench anyway
and taco wench, taco okay soanother potential reason, uh

(01:04:11):
reason they may have feared thatbacktracking downhill in
darkness would lead toadditional injury or even being
lost, so that's why they builton the slope, or they?
theorized at this point thatthey intended to finish the
climb the next morning, so theystopping here made sense as to
like do that final push in themorning, right okay, fair enough

(01:04:34):
okay, so lots of differenttheories of why they would stop
on a barren slope, but thisisn't all.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Jokes aside, this isn't a group of dumbasses on
their first fucking hike, andthat's the thing they're
accomplished fucking hikers sowhy wouldn't you go?
It had to have been unsafeconditions, right, because
there's no way they're justgonna stop there and be like
guess we'll finish make it uptomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
No, you're% right.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
They know the risks, they know there's no fucking way
to get a hold of anybody.
No radios, it's you and thesnow.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Yep, no, you're right because, like you said, they're
accomplished.
They would know better than tojust stop there, right?
So it just seems really oddthat they would, knowing how
accomplished they were leadingup to this certificate.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
Three, whatever category three category three
thank you.
Like certificate, basically,they knew better so there is
some scuttlebutt, scuttlebuttthat they, you know, got this
late start.
Yeah, and that was donepurposely by diatlov to push

(01:05:50):
them, based on the conditionsand things like that, to go more
to this category.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Three thing I had not heard that, yeah that sounds
like a terrible fucking idea.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
I mean again, this isn't a group of inexperienced
tourists on their first hike.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
This is experienced people I could understand like
hey, we're gonna push you alittle bit yeah I can understand
that, but like?

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
did other people know that, or did he?

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
I mean that's, that's the mystery.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
It's pure speculation , obviously, yeah, but it's like
why would?
Why would you do that?
I don't know like?

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
why would you make everybody wash their feet before
the end of the night?
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
because he had a foot fucking well 100 okay, let's
talk about the weather brieflyhere.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Get in there.
Nice and deep, like theestimated temps on the mountain.
Yeah, negative 30 degreescelsius.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Or more yes.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Approximately negative 22 degrees Fahrenheit.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
That's fucking insane .

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
That is not considering wind chill Right?

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
No, that's just straight up temperature.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
At least one of my organs is shutting down.
At that point I'm done.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Are you typically a warm weather person?
Do you like warm weather?

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
No, I mean like I'm a big girl, I don't like being
too warm.
Sure, I would rather be toocold than too warm.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Okay, you like the like early 80s outside.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Like the decade.
Outside Temperature Temperature.

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
I like the temperature it is now.
I like being cold, but withlayers.
Okay, that's my thing well, Ialways.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
The way I always look at is you can always put more
on, yeah, take more off yeah, atsome point it becomes indecent
exposure.
Well, that that, or you need tolike slice your skin off
Skinsuit and peel it off.
So no, I am warm at like 60degrees.
Yeah, so like this to me hasbeen unbearable this past week

(01:07:56):
and a half or whatever.
I fucking hate the heat.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
So like my air conditioner was out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Oh shit.

Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
And it was 89 degrees and you just got yeah and eight
, like there.
There was a coil issue that'sbeen you just got ac for like
what?

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
six to eight thousand dollars like six grand do.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
Yeah, holy shit and her little cute house she just
got ac there was a fucking issuealready they had been out three
times and on the third timethey found that there was a coil
problem.
Oh good, lord so in in theirdefense.
They did fix it um, because Ihad very many mean conversations

(01:08:37):
with like I believe my fuckinggrandma lives in this house.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
I have two black cats like right, I'm a big gal like
I can't fucking sleep in 90degree weather did you tell them
be like, I'm a big gal, I can'tdo this lady get over here.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
No, um, but it was like it was fucking gross, like
that made me physically sick too.
So like that's too much, butlike I get that I'm a thermal
leggings in late june with theac on.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
I can't kind of go, I can't I can't can't do it there
, it is okay wind chill windchill yeah, wind chill yes gusts
up to 45 to 67 miles an hour onthis mountain.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
What is the the miles per hour in a hurricane?

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Sam.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
To the Google machine .

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
I mean that's like highway speeds at the top right
65?

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Yes, so it did bring down the estimated temperatures
from negative 22 degreesFahrenheit to negative 58
degrees Fahrenheit.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Oh, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Average hurricane.

Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
Wind speeds can range from 74 miles per hour to over
157 miles per hour, so almost.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Just about there, almost hurricane levels.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
That's fucking wild, that's crazy.
Just about there, that's juston the verge.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Almost hurricane levels.
That's fucking wild, that'scrazy, jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
The visibility was very poor, almost non-existent
during storms.
The snowfall was heavy, withdeep, deep drifts.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Basically everybody.
It was nightmare fuel forpretty much everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Nightmare fuel, nightmare fuel.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Nightmare fuel Nightmare fuel, nightmare Fuel,
nightmare Fuel Okay, okay, let'stalk about briefly their gear
and supplies.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Okay, they had a homemade tent.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Who made it?

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Yuri Nope, igor, igor Dyatlov and somebody else that
I'm going to bring up later.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
It was two four-person tents sewn together.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
So what did they do with the extra person?

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
Bradley.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
She said two four-person tents Yep Sewn
together, that's eight, there'snine people Bradley Ten
originally.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
That's why it's really important to wash your
feet before you get in there.
So fucking true, you'reobviously sleeping like foot to
face, foot to face, gear crammedin there.
That's fucking fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Oh, my beer's empty.
That was the only one in there.
There's more in.
There's no more light there's adrawer let's forget about the
drawer.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Hold on, let me continue you can continue this
episode is getting long, it'sfine, it'll be edited.
Okay.
So they also had skis and poles, they had ice axes, they had
extra boots, they had layeredclothing, they had food supplies
.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Did their boots have the fur they did?
Did they wear apple-bottomjeans?
It?

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
was more like boots with the felt, like boots with
the felt.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Boots with the felt.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Apple-bottom jeans Boots with the felt.
Oh yeah, I don't know Okay.
They also had a stove and theyused it at campsites, but not
when they're just up on themountain.
When they're actually campingis when they would use a stove.
Okay, they all had cameras.
They also had notebooks, um, asthey were documenting, and yuri

(01:12:34):
yudin, the person who had toturn around, because of the
sciatica he is quoted as sayingthere were more than four
cameras.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
However, they only.
They only found two, no Three,no Five.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
He said in two different situations Okay, one
time he says there are more thanfour cameras, the second time
he has said there are fourcameras.
That is significant later on.
Significant, fucking betterEither there is more than four,
or there are four.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
But maybe he just misremembered.
It's very possible.
You misremember shit all thetime.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
If I'm the person that fucking turns back.
And oh true, Seven right Is mymath, mathing Is my math,
mathing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
He would be the math person to ask him, not me.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
So there's nine, there's nine yeah he was nine.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
He was ten, wasn't he ?
Oh yeah, okay, so he was tenokay so all my fucking friends
die.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
Yeah, I'm gonna remember.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Every goddamn detail I'm gonna remember everything
everybody was wearing, sosignificant that nothing is
gonna be misremembered yeahhowever, it's a traumatic
fucking experience, even withhim being removed from it but
not yes.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
But since he turned back, he didn't experience what
they did no of course not, but Idon't know my brain would go
through something traumatic likethat no, I totally understand
what you're saying, all of them,and I remember fucking
everything.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Because, if I remember right and again in the
brief one that I listened to, hehad a really fucking tough go
at this because he survived,probably survivor's guilt, yeah.
Well, yeah, 100%, and he wantsto know what happened to all my
friends.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
And this 38-year year old person that joined us yeah,
well, also like again, this isa 16 day treacherous fucking
journey yeah I'm gonna rememberevery fucking thing that
everybody's carrying.
That wasn't the shit I'mlugging around, right that's
very true.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
You're not wrong.
It's just, I guess, intraumatic experiences for people
, things can get misremembered.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
Absolutely, Is all I'm saying I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
I have no idea what my husband keeps in his truck.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Okay, I mean it's out there we can go look.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
I know he took my car .
I won't remember, anyway,that's what Sam said.
I won't remember, anyway,that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Sam said I won't remember anyway anyway, she
won't anywho the equipment yes,equipment that this group of ten
had yeah was solid.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
By Soviet standards, they were well prepared to
travel, not like tourists, butby survivalists, essentially how
is it by american standards,though?
Oh, we have no fucking clue.
We have no fucking clue.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Sometimes these are dumb questions, I ask I mean
it's a fair question.
I mean how is it for chinese?
I mean, let's just keep going,continue, please, I have to pee,
I have to pee too, pause, pause.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Pause, but not the end.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Pause Break over.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
The timeline.
This is what we're going to getinto now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Oh dear.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
January 20th Are you ready for this?
I think so.
I mean, I think you're moreready than anyone.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
She's like why the fuck aren't we here already?

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
I'm not going to go there January 23rd to 24th.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
January 23rd and 24th 1959.
, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
The group departs from Sverdlovsk.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Where.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
I heard you Thank you .

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
I'm hard of hearing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
By train to Serov.
Okay, so they take a train.
Serov is basically the end ofcivilization.
It is 200 miles north ofSverdlovsk.
Okay, they spend the after.
This is not as pertinent asother details, but still
pertinent, okay we're just goingto breeze through these.

(01:17:06):
They spend the afternoonentertaining children at school
number 41, because that's howthey name their schools up there
.
So it's school number 41.
In the evening, the hikersWhere's school number one?
In the evening the hikersdepart on the train for Ivedale.
Ivedale, ivedale Iv, ivdel.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Ivdel.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
Ivdel Ivdel, I don't know Ivdel Ivdel.
They arrive in Ivdel aroundmidnight.
The train will take them eastof Ivdel to then East.
From there they hop on a truckto a logging outpost, which took

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them north, final destinationbefore hitting the wilderness in
Vizay Holy fuck, it's the lastinhabited settlement in the
north.
Okay, so they're takingmultiple trains.
They're taking a big truck toVizay.
What?

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
kind of truck was it?
Was it an F f100?

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
bradley, I'm imagining one of those, like you
know army like from the like apickup with, like the wooden
barriers and everybody, justlike the canvas berries on the
side that would like kind offlap in the wind.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
I was thinking more like a world war ii, one where
it's like it shifts like acovered wagon.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
yeah, right, yeah, pretty much Everybody hop on.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
It's definitely not a rickshaw.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Anyway, they took multiple means of transportation
to get to the very lastsettlement that they could.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
I guess for some reason and again I don't know
all of this, in my limitedexposure to this story I didn't
expect them to take that manyfucking things to get to where
they're going but, I don't knowwhy same same time, like you're
about to do this hard, hikeright right, right right like
you're gonna ride it till thefucking end of the line?

(01:18:58):
no for sure, and that's why it'slike, for some reason I just
didn't put that together wherethey would have had to take
multiple modes of transit theydidn't just take a car up to the
base of the summit and thenwe're off.
Yeah, yeah, no, for sure, yeahum.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
So once in vizay they met a forester named ivan
rempel and he actually warns thegroup of don't do it, the
winter conditions up there butthey're russian.
I know, but he still advisedthem not to go.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
They should have heeded his warning.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
Yeah.
He becomes an important persontoo.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Oh, does he.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
So I don't have Rample down much after this.
We got to argue about itBecause I've only heard of one
situation where he was broughtup a second time, and I did not
confirm that later.
So when you feel like, duringour like progression, you speak

(01:19:57):
up.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
You want her to ramble it up.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
She got it don't encourage that face.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
I can't not.
I feel like I'm a really goodmesh of both of the
personalities with just like anextra splash of adhd you guys
don't really need I think wehave our first, our own version
of ad depression and anxietyalready here.
We're all just kicking aroundin here.
Yeah, definitely, it's a verymedicated room, absolutely is

(01:20:32):
Yep, you're not wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
I just got my refilled Okay, so January 25th
through 27th.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Once in Visay they meet the Forester Rumpel, which
Audra will kind of pipe up laterwhat she knows about Rempel.
I, like I said, have readsomething about Rempel but it
wasn't duplicated in additionalresearch, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
It doesn't but carry on.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Okay, he advised not to go on such a trip.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Yes, he's like don't fucking go, Don't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
He said, quote there are large ravines and pits where
one can sink, and winds are sostrong that people can be blown
away.
End quote.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Especially if you had wings.
That would be terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
Especially where it's real bald.

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
Bald and wings.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
What the fuck does that even do I?

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
getting another beer.
I think they start the trackfrom visay.
Spirits are high.
They're taking photos of eachother.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
They're all laughing, having a guffaw, if you will
what kind of what kind of filmdid they use?
Was it kodak?

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
that wasn't in the research.
That was not part of myresearch.
Of film did they use?
Was it Kodak?
That wasn't in the research,that was not part of my research
.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
However, they did create a fake newsletter.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Who doesn't On a fucking hike?
Seriously, why, why?

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
The whole trek up to the, the pass, if you will, yeah
, was full of song and singing,like the mandolin players would
play and they would all singsongs and they would write this
newsletter to like kind of befunny, but extra, extra, exactly
they were trying to be funny.

Speaker 4 (01:22:25):
It's fucking freezing out here.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
These young kids were just out to have a fucking good
time this is like a tropicalvacation for them.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Yes, exactly let's bring the fucking mandolin,
let's bring the mandolin.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
Let's, let's sing some songs, fuck with nature yes
, let's make a song about afucking chipmunk yeah, whatever,
get weird with it, like Elvinyes, elvin, simon, simon and
Theodore and Yuri.

(01:23:04):
Don't forget Yuri don't forgetYuri that's great.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Oh, don't forget yuri okay, forget him there's
another one or two, it's fine ohballs okay, so they had jokes,
they had songs, they had thisfake newsletter and it was
called the evening or torton.
Can I?

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
ask a question at this point, just blurt it out
why?

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
why the fuck?
On this expedition would youbring your mandolins?

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
well, for all the reasons we just mentioned, this
is like a fun trip, fuck aroundand find out, apparently you
find out, you know, but you justmaybe want to soothe yourself
and your neighbor at the end ofa long hiking day.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
I feel like, alright, let's go with that.
It just seems weird to mebecause it seems like
unnecessary equipment,absolutely.
That's, I guess, my point.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
I wouldn't bring my mandolin I actually do get to
that being an unnecessaryequipment well, I mean, I think
I covered it, got it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
That's like hey, bradley, you want to go for a
hike?

Speaker 4 (01:24:20):
yeah, hold on, let me pack up my drum set and I'll be
right there well, I imagineit's like the equivalent of like
hey, I'm not gonna bring mypurse, but can you put all this
shit in your pocket?

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
for me yeah exactly, exactly I may do that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
From time to time I do that occasionally too, but
it's just, I don't know, justseems super fucking unnecessary,
even for morale purposes, whichthey clearly did not need,
because I mean, at least itwasn't a full-size guitar, it's
just a mandolin.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
Yeah, it's just a little wee guy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Yeah, just a little wee guy Okay.
So, because the trains and thetrucks weren't enough, they also
got into a woodcutter's truckfrom Vizzei.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
What kind of truck was that?

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.
Okay, yuri, yuri.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Yudin, I think she was trying to say Farfugnugan.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Yuri Yudin, number 10 .
Number 10.
Yuri Yudin.

Speaker 4 (01:25:11):
Third year Yuri out, mr Dropout.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
He started to get ill .
He started to feel really awful.
His bones were rattling.
He wanted to push through.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
His bones were rattling.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
We're in this woodcutter's truck and just
Bones are rattling.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
I feel like everyone.
Can you do that again?
That was perfect.
That's a short in itself Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
So On repeat With a burp.
Fuck, yes.
At the next destination, it wasactually an abandoned
geological site and Yuri Yudinwas a geology major.
He had an in he wanted all thesamples so he pushed through,
because he wanted to make it tothis one place did they leave

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samples behind for him to take?

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
no so he traveled with them I get that, but I'm
just when they got to this oldgeology place.

Speaker 4 (01:26:07):
It wasn't like a general store that he stumbled
upon in the wilderness.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
It was just a site where he was out there flipping
rocks.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
It was a place in the wilderness that he wanted to go
collect samples.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
I thought it would have been kind of cool if it was
a general store.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
That would have been fucking great for them.
Do you have any eggets?

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Okay, what so?

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
at this point in the trek up the mountain, up the
mountain there's still kind ofbeen civilization.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
I mean, it's only 3,000 feet.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
They place all their backpacks and their gear inside
a horse-drawn sleigh.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
Was.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
Santa on.
There.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Wait, no, it's reindeer.
Fuck on sleigh, was Santa on?

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
there, and then they cross country ski for 15 miles
on top of a river.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
It was frozen.

Speaker 4 (01:26:58):
More or less.
I mean it's negative.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Yeah, but if it's got moving water it won't fully
freeze.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
My sources say that it was not entirely frozen, so
every once in a while they hadto get off the river, but then
they would get back on and itwas more of a straight shot, as
what?

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
they were needing because not to jump the gun
again.
That's one of the theories ofwhy some of the party ended up
where they did, because it was amoving river yeah, yes, so I
mean, it was a moving river.
So I mean it's a valid fuckingquestion, it is but this is a
different river.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
There's two different rivers the one that they skied,
on.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
You're saying there's more than one river in this
world.
Holy shit.

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
Not even in this world, on the mountain, on the
mountain, was it Spring, fed orTort?

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
mountain, was it spring fed?
Or torten, was it spring fed?

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
Bradley.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
This is what I do.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Okay, moving on, in the morning on January 28th,
yuri Yudin decides he cannot.
Carry on, carry on, yeah, andhe decides that he needs a turn
back.
But he's got to collect hisfucking samples.
Okay, who the fuck doesn't?
But?

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
if I make it that far , I'm I'm gonna collect some
fucking samples.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
I totally understand that, but can you imagine going
through the train ride the truckrides the the fairly fucking no
sleigh ride with the horses andall that.
They're like fuck, I can't goany further.
It's like, dude, you're alreadyfucking here.
I mean I get it, though hisbody's hurting.
I understand, but damn, that'sgotta be pretty heartbreaking
for him at the time but this isthe weird, thing, funny thing

(01:28:39):
the weird, thing, the ironicthing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
So he decides he can't continue.
He collects his samples andthey still have that sleigh and
the horse-drawn carriage kind ofthing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
So who was driving that?

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
Fuck, if I know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
I thought it was like a reindeer.
But what happens is Yuri Yuninputs his pack on the sleigh.
And it just takes off.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
But he cannot also get on the sleigh.
Why?
Because they're on the fuckingriver and it would sink.
It would sink, sink in so heliterally walked or skied
alongside the horse with hispack on the down the river so he
can't even get on this effingsleigh.

(01:29:20):
He's literally skiing back downthe mountain.

Speaker 4 (01:29:23):
He can't even get on, but at least the end is in
sight, right, like you know, thesuffering is coming to an end
as soon as you like.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
get the fuck down there, or he knew something, and
he was the guy who planned allthis.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
No, I'm kidding, that has never been a theory, I'm
fucking kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
No, but I see what you're saying, audra.
It's like it sucks.
It sucks but he knows he's likeokay, I'm getting back for some
relief kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
Yeah, for sure, so there are a couple photos of
Yuri Yudin saying goodbye,because wasn't one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
One of them was hugging, he was hugging.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Exactly.
Yeah, there's a picture of YuriYudin hugging.
I think it was Ludmila Dubinina, and then Igor Dyatlov is in
the back of the photo.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
That's right and we'll put that on our social
media.
Or, like she likes to say, I'mgoing to insert a picture here.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
I'm going to insert a picture here for our YouTube
followers.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
Which you won't, I will do that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
You won't do that.
So, everyone waves goodbye.
So long Farewell.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
I'll be there to say goodnight, Alright let's stop
that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
I'll do it Seriously stop.
Try the gray stuff.
It's delicious.
Don't believe me.

Speaker 4 (01:30:56):
Ask the dishes Jesus Christ.
Yep room full of ADHDers hereDon't you want to be here every
time.
Yes, yes, can you put me inrotation?

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
I'm here for this 100%.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
Okay so.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, over the next two days.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
they do make some headway.
They camp overnight.
Their progress becomes a littlebit easier when they happened
upon a path already made by skis.
Ooh who is it?
Fromis and reindeer hooves.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
Really.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
It is the Mansea hunters, the indigenous people.
They have created pathways.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
So they had skis too?
Yes, holy shit.
Oh yeah, they've been out therefor a minute.
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
They know a thing or two.
Yeah, they know a thing or twoabout mountains and snow.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Not three things, just two.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
That's what I would do.
Just mountains and snow.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
And reindeer.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Yeah, mountains and snow.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
But they know reindeer.

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
And there were also mansy symbols on trees along
their routes.
So some would say like onewould be like three slashes
saying how many man-sea hunterswere there.
Okay, one would be threeslashes to the east-west on the
bark.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
That would mean like how many dogs they're with.
So I mean it sounds a littlebit.
What kind of dogs do they have?

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
It sounds a little bit what kind of dogs do they
have In the evenings?

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
each member of the group has his or her own task.

Speaker 4 (01:32:32):
I'm looking at Sam to do research.
What kind of dogs did the Mansetribe have?
This is important.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
Inquiring minds want to know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
I do know that they have reindeer.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
They do have reindeer , that seems too.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
They do have reindeer .
Also on the mountain are foxesand wolves, potentially bears,
but they should be hibernating.
Did you hear they brought back?

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
direwolves.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
Yeah, in fucking Game of Thrones.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Did you hear they brought back direwolves.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
Based on a true story .

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
yeah, yeah, they actually sequenced their genomes
and all that DNA and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Oh, okay, I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
Now, the funny thing is one of them's named Khaleesi.
Of course it is, and the twomales are called Remus and
Romulus, so which is prettyfucking great, yeah, but yeah,
they actually brought backdirewolves.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
It's fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
Sam West Siberian Laka, also known as the Mansi
Laka.
L-a-i-k-a.

Speaker 4 (01:33:44):
They have their own dogs.
That's pretty impressive.
That's cool.
You've got to be something.
To have their own dogs, that'spretty impressive, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
You gotta be something to have your own dogs.

Speaker 4 (01:33:49):
It's gotta be some kind of local wild animal that
they've tamed?
Oh for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
You are gonna mate with you Go.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
I mean, I did that with Jasper.
I thought she was pointing atme.

Speaker 3 (01:34:05):
And I'm like generally you, I don't
understand who.

Speaker 4 (01:34:08):
I'm meeting with right now.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
You're pointing to a wall.
I'm confused Me and the wall.
I don't know how this is goingto happen, but cheers to that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
Okay, so in the evenings, each member of the
hiking group has his or her ownassigned tasks.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
Setting up camp and setting up the stove for dinner
right which, again, I saidearlier, that they only use the
stove when they're actuallycamped.
They don't use it along thehike right?
No, for sure so when, when theystarted to become sleepy, they
actually would argue about whowould have to sleep next to the

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stove because it would get sohot.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
Wouldn't that be a good thing in negative 40 degree
weather?

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
Yes, but it would get so hot You're sweating I would
imagine the temperaturedifference would be blazing hot.

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
No, you're not wrong, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
So they would literally argue about who would
have to sleep closest to thestove it would not be me.

Speaker 4 (01:35:10):
I know the person with the cleanest feet.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
Hey, that's the winner, igor's like let me clean
your feet, get in between thetoes, I'm pretty sure that Igor
did not clean feet.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
They cleaned their own feet.

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
But he checked them for accuracy.
He probably could.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
He watched.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
You missed a toe.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
He watched the washing.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
He's like get that pinky toe.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
I lost my pinky toe.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
My pinky toe nail.
I lost my pinky toe nail, lostthe nail.
My pinky toe nail.
I lost my pinky toe.
It's cause you kick shit whenyou're mad.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
I didn't kick shit, I ran into shit.
That too, that is different,okay.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
I was fucking joking, don't clap at me.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
January 31st.
We're gonna move on From thisGot it so many years ago.
January 31st.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
The final camp setup.
Thank you, sam.
Years ago, january 31st, yeah,the final camp set up.
Thank you, sam man.
She was the least ADHD personin here.

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
It's the final camp.
There she is Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
Oh wait Sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
January 31st.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Igor noted that the group set out at 10 am and that
the weather had immediatelyworsened, with an aggressive
wind blowing in from the west Isthat significant.
The sky was clear.
Windy it was fucking windy.
Well, yeah, yeah, I got that.
The sky was clear, yet it wassnowing.

(01:36:43):
What the what?
How is it clear, yet it wassnowing.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
What, the what.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
How is?

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
it clear if it's snowing.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
As Igor noted.
Quote the precipitation wasmost likely an illusion caused
by wind, sweeping snow from thetreetops.
Oh sure, I suppose, yeah, yes,yes, you just had to stop and
listen the hockey Excuse meMaybe if you just, I don't know,

(01:37:11):
fucking talk normal.
Wow, I talk normal all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:37:16):
This is getting hostile.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
I talk normal all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
It's getting fucking hostile.
That's a great song by Pantera,in case anyone's curious.

Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
Now I just I can only think of the final countdown.
I know it's in my head now.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
Samantha, the hiking track is barely visible.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
They lose it often, they walk blindly and they cover
only 1.5 to 2 kilometers perhour.

Speaker 4 (01:37:50):
Not very much, that's about as fast as I think I'd
hike yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
On an open, clear day .

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
Open clear day.
I mean, depends on how muchshit I'm carrying.

Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
True I know, what shit you'd be carrying.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
And how many times you have to clean your feet my,
ass is what I would be carryingvery fucking slowly, especially
if it's negative.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
30 okay of the wind of the wind blowing in their
faces.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
Igor Dyatlov wrote quote the wind is warm and
piercing, Blows fast like airwhen a plane takes off.
End quote.
That's a lot of air and it'swarm.
Air, air, air, uh-oh.
They reach the base of themountain and prepare for their

(01:38:45):
climb.
They're not even fucking at thebase.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
Base, how low can you go?

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
Okay, Okay, we had a working lunch earlier today.
Maybe we might have listened toNelly Hot Grammar.
Oh okay, no Country Grammar,hot Grammar, I'm thinking of hot
shit but we listened to nellycountry grammar on the way there

(01:39:11):
.
Yeah, anyway, okay we'reworking lunch.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
Yeah, okay, so they no beers were consumed, so
they're they're at the base ofthis mountain right.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
They end up stashing their excess gear in a forest,
on a platform that they have tobuild.
It's called a labaz L-A-B-A-Z Z, l-a-b-a-z, ha ha ha.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
One more time, try it again.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
L-A-B-A-Z Z.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
So this labaz was actually found later, intact,
intact, and it was completelysolid ice no it was just like it
was the perfect labazz like soif you were trying to make a
labazz, this is what you want tomake correct oh it was on point

(01:40:06):
textbook labazz.

Speaker 4 (01:40:09):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
Textbook labazz who doesn't want a textbook labazz?

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
I'm gonna fucking write that down textbook labazz
oh maybe that's our episodetitle textbook labazz.
So they dug a snow pit, puttheir items down there.

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Yeah, they LaBazzed all over it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
They covered the hole which I spelled W-H-O-L-E.

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
You're making this sound filthy.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
What is wrong with you?
What is wrong with you?
They covered the hole with logs.
How do you spell logs?
They left a marker, to find itlater.
So I believe that the markerwas actually like an extra ski.

Speaker 4 (01:41:03):
So I know we're going to talk more about ski poles
right?
Yes, I hope so so ski polesbecome important?
Well, we are with audrey hereso I'm going to make sure to
bring it up samantha.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
I need more beer wow, ask nicely please so I need
another white Russian.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
There's a point that we'll get to that I'll circle
back to, but at a certain pointthere is a broken ski pole that
is found Right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:41:36):
They usually come in pairs Typically, so if one ski
pole is on the LaBaz, ski poleis on the labazz.
Yeah, someone that's still onthis journey is operating with
one ski pole, or they had anextra set.
They did.
Yeah, you're right, probably.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
I mean, I guess that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
That would make more sense, because they're so
experienced, they know that theywould need.

Speaker 4 (01:42:03):
Someone's going to break one.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
Well, yeah, it's very probable, just with the more
difficult terrain kind of setup.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
So I get that so I read about this broken ski pole.
I don't know if I inserted it,so if you find the area that
you're like, I need to talkabout this broken ski pole, by
all means bring it for sure.
Okay, so they left this stuffbehind as they needed to carry
more light-like items up themountain.
Okay, and then when they comeback down, they're going to have

(01:42:32):
all these supplies reserved forthem Extras.

Speaker 4 (01:42:35):
Preserved.
On the LaBaz Preserved Samething.

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
Yes, I mean typically yeah, yes, rawr, Good job, it's
too far down.
You need to fix your microphone.

Speaker 1 (01:42:52):
It's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:42:52):
It's fine, no it's not.
Do you need something from thekitchen?
Yes, yes, please, sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
I was trying to make Kate fix her microphone.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
Sorry about the microphone.
It's all right, it's only aproblem for me.

Speaker 1 (01:43:04):
So we're almost done.
We're almost done, are we Withthis episode?

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
Oh look, how nice you have water.
I do how nice, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
I can drive.

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
I haven't drank any today so Same, I'm just going to
keep she beer is Kind of makesme every so often she kind of
makes me every so often Beer is90% water, so I don't fucking
drink.
Fuck, if I know, probably nextto my bed from last night hey
hey hey, hey.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
To be fair, that's where mine was.
It's a family program.

Speaker 3 (01:43:42):
It's hot in my mouth because of all the bubbles.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
All the bubbles Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
We're almost done with this segment.
February 1st.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
We've made it to February.

Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
They started hiking Accidentally In more of a
westward direction when theywanted to go North and over a
pass.
Okay, they began ascending butwere delayed by bad weather and
they lost visibility did theyever fight it?

Speaker 4 (01:44:16):
I'm gonna guess no they lost based on the ending of
this story, I'm gonna say no,say no, hard pass.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
They realized their mistake, so they backtracked a
little bit Instead of returningto the forest for shelter,
downhill about a mile away whichis actually kind of far.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
If you're hiking and skiing in the middle of winter,
it's literally over 5,200 feet.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
Yeah, they decided to set up a camp on the slope of
the mountain, completely exposed.
It's literally over 5,200 feet.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Yeah, yeah.
So they decided to set up acamp on the slope of the
mountain completely exposed.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
And this is where they did their shift.
So possibly they wanted tostick to their planned schedule
and didn't want to lose altitude, right, but it does take
several hours to build this campand once they do they could
have started washing their feet.

Speaker 2 (01:45:09):
We don't know almost that time get them clean.
They eat their dinner.
I expect them dirtlesspotentially.

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
We do not know, but potentially.
Sasha and Nikolai went outsideto pee.
Oh sure, dressed fairly well.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
Okay, fairly well.

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
And this was the last time that they were known to be
alive Literally fairly well.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
So they never.
They weren't part of the people.
That all right, I don't want tojump the gun.
That's the last time the restof the group saw those two that
was the last time that anyoneknew anything well, we don't
know anything.
Nobody knows anything, no one'salive to be like yep.

(01:46:01):
That's where they left nobodyknows anything so we can
literally start making shit upnow yes, but we won't because
there's still evidence.

Speaker 4 (01:46:10):
Well, but is it evidence or has it been tampered
with to look like evidence?

Speaker 1 (01:46:20):
by the aliens there are facts of things being seen,
okay, but whether or not we knowthat they were planted or a
part of the actual scene, we donot know, we do not know, we do
not know.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
This is my jam.
Yeah, this is where you reallyshine.

Speaker 4 (01:46:38):
I nerd out here.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
I nerd out here.

Speaker 1 (01:46:41):
So, before we get too far, we are going to take a
break.
Yes, because I got to pee.
And then what happens?
Because I don't remember.
Hey guys, we're going to makethis into a two-parter.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:03):
Because it's such a big.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
There's just so much information.
There's so much information.
We're going to make this a twoparter so we don't want to skimp
on it and just gloss over, likethe episode I listened to
earlier today.
And again, I know that wastheir intent and I'm not like
shitting on them.
It's fine, but we are going alittle more in depth so we're
going to make this a two parter.

Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
So how did you feel about your white russian?
I, I was 70, even though I wasthe one talking the most.
It just doesn't happen itdoesn't typically happen if I'm
the one talking with a beverage,I don't really finish my
beverage.
I've finished many a beverage.
It's fine, I've finished many.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:46):
I did too, despite how oh, there's some left.

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (01:47:51):
That's gotta be watery.

Speaker 3 (01:47:51):
I'm gonna have one for part two as well Watery
heavy cream.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:47:58):
Um no Creamy dairy treat.
Despite mine being like heavyvodka, which I'm not gonna do
the second time around.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
It really wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
Mine was.

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:48:07):
To my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
It was the same as mine.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
My opinion is the jazz trumpet.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
What did you think?

Speaker 3 (01:48:12):
Well, I don't like vodka.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
Okay who asked you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
I'm just going to stick to beer after this.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
Thank God.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
Liquor before beer In the clear.
In the clear, absolutely.
Beer before liquor You've neverbeen sicker, never been sicker
yeah Fuck we had beers out ofhere.

Speaker 4 (01:48:29):
That makes me feel like I'm in my early 20s.

Speaker 3 (01:48:32):
I know, yeah, yeah 21 , 23.

Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
Yeah, mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
Anyways, when we had to say that saying all the time
be like okay, 19.
I was a pretty good alcoholickid.
Yeah, me too.
I didn't drink until I was.
I think I had my first drink at20.
And then I didn't actually havea good time with alcohol A good

(01:48:58):
time.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
There was all shitty times prior to this.

Speaker 1 (01:49:01):
No, I was pretty good .
I think I just had like one,maybe two circumstances with
alcohol when I was 20.
I think I just had like one,maybe two circumstances with
alcohol when I was 20, otherwiseit was 21.

Speaker 4 (01:49:10):
I really enjoyed drinking before I was 21.
I think being of age reallysucked a lot of fun out of it
sure, because it's like well, Ican do this whenever.
I probably drank more.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
Miller Lite when I was 7 years old than I have in
the rest of my life.
So I think I had my Miller Litewhen I was seven years old than
I have in the rest of my life,jesus Christ.

Speaker 4 (01:49:28):
So I think I had my first drink when I was 14.
Yeah yeah, that's when Istarted drinking too.
Only we were stealing Kessler'sout of my friend's parents'
basement.
Because you know it's Wisconsin, so everybody has a basement
bar.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
Oh, 100%, duh.
My dad um liked his beer.
Um.
I was a young child and be likehey dad need another beer.
He's like yeah, so I go get himanother beer, one for me, one
for you well, not that, notquite like that, but it would be
.
Then, hey dad, can I have a sipof your beer?
Sure, sure.

(01:50:06):
And so I just go get him morebeers and get him more sips of
beer, and I literally probablydrank more Miller Lite when I
was seven years old than I havethe rest of my life.

Speaker 1 (01:50:16):
Yeah, because he doesn't like Miller Lite.

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
I don't like Miller Lite.
It's fucking terrible, buteither way it's better than Bush
.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
Well, it's better than Budweiser, really any of
the quote, unquote staples thatmost people would say he doesn't
like no bud light, bush light,miller light any of the lights.

Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
I don't, I don't trust you if you haven't had
like a dirty 30 of bush lightit's a fucking dirty.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
So like it's a 30 pack.
Yeah, so here.
Here's the thing I bet.

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
I could have guessed that, but I just wanted you to
tell me.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
No, she did not know.
So to give you some context forthat, I've sold Miller products
most of my life.
Okay, and Bush is a Budweiserproduct and fuck Budweiser Fair.
So that's why I've never had adirty 30.
Or a 30-rack, sometimes peoplecall them.

(01:51:08):
I have drank in shitty highlife.

Speaker 3 (01:51:11):
Keystone.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:51:14):
You get like thirstier as you're drinking it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
Yeah, 100 fucking percent Sarah's.
She had some people in her lifeat one point that drank.
What was it?
I think Keystone Ice.

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
Oh Ice, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
I could be wrong.
But yeah, no, fuck that I justlike Keystone because it's from
Colorado.
Sure, because I've been toKeystone.

Speaker 1 (01:51:37):
So once I moved up to Wisconsin, I was all about
Spotted Cow.
New Glarus, spotted Cow.

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
New Glarus, but yes, yeah.
Glarus, new Glarus.
I bought a cow, new Glarus, butyes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:48):
And then I don't know who it was, or if it was
somebody else, or if it was methat tried Modelo, and I was
like was it you, Bradley?

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
It was me.

Speaker 1 (01:51:55):
Okay, and now?
I'm like fucking Modelo, and Ihad a Budweiser, probably within
the last year, and I was likethis is disgusting.

Speaker 2 (01:52:05):
Yeah, because it's fucking terrible beer.

Speaker 1 (01:52:06):
It was disgusting.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
Yeah, it's awful.

Speaker 1 (01:52:11):
Unless you want to sponsor us.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
Then we love you, Budweiser.

Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
We love you.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
I do like some of their products, just not their
staple.

Speaker 4 (01:52:19):
I like their old commercials Well.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
I like the Clydesdales those are great,
exactly, yeah, the fucking greatClydes Ugh Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah, the fucking frogs, anyway, anyway, what do we think about
the?

Speaker 2 (01:52:35):
white Russian drink.

Speaker 1 (01:52:35):
I liked it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
I've had white Russians before.

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
Okay, I don't know if I have.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:52:39):
That's okay.
That's okay.
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:52:41):
Welp, I suppose that's okay.
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
Welp, I suppose, welp , we'll see you in part two.
All right, buffoons, that's itfor today's episode.

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